January 17, 2024 • 42 mins
Have you ever stood at the precipice of a massive career shift, heart pounding with equal parts dread and anticipation? Jordan Owen, our returning guest on The Clever Angle Podcast, knows that feeling all too well as he recounts his daring leap from finance to construction in the heart of Orlando, Florida. It's a tale of not just career change but personal reinvention – from trivia nights that birthed a burgeoning social life to the universal application of sales skills.
Hear how Jordan navigated the waters of new beginnings in a bustling city, where relationships are the currency of progress. We wander through the streets of Winter Park, unraveling the importance of interpersonal skills, whether you're coordinating construction projects or fostering community bonds. Jordan's story is a masterclass in adaptability and a reminder that sometimes the most strategic career move is the one that doesn't come with a playbook.
As we wrap up, Jordan opens up about the textures of job satisfaction and the allure of chasing what sets your soul on fire. We muse over the value of college education in today's world, with Jordan's experiences painting a vivid picture of how alternative paths can lead to success and fulfillment. This episode isn't just about charting new paths – it's about the courage to walk them and the joy that comes from discovering where they lead.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And we are back.
Here is another episode of theclever angle podcast.
My guest today is Jordan Owen.
Some of you might haverecognized Jordan from either
the watch this Wednesday podcastor he actually did one of my, I
think the second episode of theclever angle.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Jordan was a guest on there talking about finance.
Jordan brother, how are youdoing, man?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Dude, it's.
It's good to be back on apodcast with you.
I mean, that's all that matters, right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Jordan, can you just tell us a little bit about what
you've been up to since we'vedone that podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, man, it's been a whole yeah, I mean it's been a
whole another year.
I mean, yeah, it was 2020,wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, so 2020, it's all left Jonesville and come
down to Orlando, florida, tojoin a construction firm.
I was doing some consultingwork with them first.
You know sales teams and thingslike that, and this is I think
this is a good conversation thatwe're going to have which is a
lot of your people that listento this podcast, I don't know
(01:05):
what they want to do or kind ofare stuck in a position where
you don't know.
You know, am I doing the rightthing?
And I'll say this, like now,since moving down to Florida now
, I host three trivia showsaround Orlando, you know, and
have a pretty thriving littleside business there.
I do play by play for the arenafootball team.
(01:28):
You know, during that I was onthe TV broadcast this year where
got picked up by ESPN.
And, you know, during the day,I'm a day walker doing the
construction stuff.
So you know, I do a little bitof everything around here.
Yeah, you're just a man thatwears many hats you know what I
(01:48):
mean Always into something.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So tell me, how did you get sparked into that?
You know, when we last talked,finance was something that you
know.
You were really good at talkingto people negotiating.
You know just the naturalthings that you need in a sales
like, job, like that Door.
Yes, you're giving financialadvice, but I am in the camp now
as I've expanded my knowledgethat pretty much everything is
(02:12):
sales, and you were really goodat that.
So what made you want to say,hey, I'm packing up everything,
I'm going to Florida, I'm goingto go.
It's for a construction company.
I mean, you're a 7.
Yeah, I mean that's right upyour alley.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean.
So here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
Like you said it right,everything is sales, but for me,
I wanted to.
So I don't know when this isgoing to come out, but at the
time of recording, you guys arein the middle of a snowstorm and
it's zero degrees outside.
Absolutely.
(02:49):
That was happening to me when Iwas in Arkansas and I was like I
can't do this anymore.
I can't sit there and look.
Just I just want to be aroundhere to do weather.
So I was like I want to move toFlorida.
What kind of careers are inFlorida?
And this construction companycalled me.
They saw my resume and it wasvery like sales based, leading,
(03:09):
team based, things like that.
And so they asked me hey, wouldyou be interested in coming
down working with this andworking with our sales teams and
trying to grow that kind ofdivision that we're doing?
And initially wasn't interestedin it, but after talking with
them I was like, yeah, thatsounds like I wanted to do
something new and that was theeasiest path to get into it.
(03:33):
And I feel like you can takeand do what you want.
Just, you got to make it yoursand any kind of career.
And I say that you know, maybeyou're an accountant, but if you
can really look hard enough andknow the right people and are
friendly enough, you can meetthe right people to make any
kind of career what you want,and that's what I'm going to
turn this one into at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.
So I mean, as someone that'skind of rooted where he is, you
know, I've got a lot of reasonsfor why I decided to stay in
Jonesboro.
Family was being the biggestone, and that's, you know, my
young daughters growing up.
I want them to be able to bearound their grandparents and
grow up because that's somethingthat I didn't have.
So to me, especially in myearly 30s, that's something that
(04:16):
is very important to me.
You know when I start writingthe things that I can be happy
doing.
Obviously, my ultimate goal isto make it doing podcasting.
That's my ultimate goal and I'mgoing to keep working towards
that goal.
Cool thing about podcasting isI can connect with you all the
way in Florida.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So you said weather was a big thing and initially
that it didn't sound likesomething that you wanted to do.
That was just enough for you tojust kind of just put it all on
red and not know anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, honestly, honestly, it was.
But you know me, I feel like Idon't.
I don't go into places where Idon't know anybody and that's if
I have one skill in this world.
I feel like you could drop mein Bozeman, montana, and you
come back and check on me inthree months.
And you know, I found arestaurant that I know everybody
in the restaurant.
I found a, you know, I found abar that I know the bartenders
(05:12):
and we kind of that's just whatI do, and so it was nothing to
move to Florida and kind ofstart that over.
And now it's just something,man, it's, it's fun to do and I
don't know if Orlando, I visitedOrlando, so it just felt very
welcoming to times that Ivisited, and so I was like I
(05:33):
just want to be around moreweather, I want to be, you know,
around the beach, I want to bearound water or sunshine.
So no other place in sunnyOrlando, florida.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, so take me through what that process was,
moving from Arkansas to Florida,like what was your last days
like in Arkansas, and how didthat, what feeling were you
experiencing when you weregetting ready to move?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so I mean you know, kind of a little bit of
not regret but just badness ofleaving Cause that's all I'd
ever known.
For 30 years I grew up, youknow, in the same house around
you, you know, 10, 15 minutesfrom where you were.
I was, that's all I ever knownand it was kind of scary going
to.
You know, an area where there'slike 2 million people, you know
(06:20):
, around this Orlando area, notnecessarily in Orlando, but
around the Orlando area.
So I was sitting there and justnot just kind of scared to jump
in, but there was a video bySteve Harvey, you know, and it's
always it said jump, you know,just jump, jump.
And I watched it like a thousandtimes, I watched you a thousand
times.
I was like, okay, I'm just, I'mgoing to do it.
(06:40):
But again, the saddest part wasthe relationships that I built,
like again, saying that what Ijust said, I went into like
three restaurants I went onJonesville that paid for my last
meal and said, hey, we'd loveto have a new thanks for coming
in your Q 49.
Mama, saying places like thatthat I had developed meaningful
(07:02):
relationship just outside mydaily friendship that's.
You know, leaving thoserelationships with the toughest
but trying to find new ones werewere just as much fun.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, so you packed up your life.
You know, you left, like Simba,obviously, the sun always comes
back home eventually.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So we're not worried about that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But you know what was it like when you got to Florida
.
Like, where do you stay inOrlando?
Do you stay kind of outsideLike you're in winter park?
Is that where you're?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
at.
Yeah, I was right in the middleof it.
I was right in the middle of it, so about a mile and a half
from downtown, and I just gotlucky.
I honestly got lucky.
I was on a Facebook page thattold me it said hey man, I was
like, where do I move intoOrlando, where?
And everybody said winter park,winter park, winter park.
(07:52):
It is a little bougie, but it'sit's the nicest part of winter
park.
And so I got lucky and then Iended up moving.
So I'm seeing a flyer that saidhey, trivia night at this pub.
And it was like a mile from myapartment.
I just walked there my firstnight.
I did walk there and I was likeI don't want to go do this
(08:12):
trivia night.
And wit, and the trivia hostwas a young guy like myself and
he was just hanging out drinking, having a good time, partying,
cutting up with everybody.
I'm like, dude, that's what Iwant to do.
I want to go ahead and talk, tointroduce myself to him, and we
started hanging out.
You know, then, he's helped megrow every friendship I've had
down here.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, so you're down here.
You're in a new place.
You just started introducingyourself to yourself, acclimated
as the, as Jordan would do.
Yeah, and so you move in.
You're getting ready to startyour job.
What's it like doing theconstruction off the rip?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's the so, honestly , it's not.
It's not exact.
It's almost exactly what I wasdoing.
I'm just using a differentvehicle.
You know, until I say that I'mstill talking and communicating
with people every day, likethat's not changing.
I was doing that in finance.
I'm doing that now.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
What is your exact role?
What's your exact role as yourcompany?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So what I do now is I'm a project coordinator, so
I'm the first person you see ona job.
So when you, when somebodycalls our construction company
and says, hey, I want to build,you know, I want to add two
bedrooms to the back of my houseand I want to build a, you know
, add a, redo my kitchen I'm thefirst person you see, I come
(09:36):
out, introduce, introduce myself, introduce yourself myself to
the company and I kind of getyou acclimated to what it's
going to be like for the nextwhatever four or five months, of
what you're going to go through, walk them through.
You know, hey, this is what'sgoing to happen around your
house, this is what you're goingto go in here, this is what the
money looks like, and then I'mthat contact the whole way
(09:56):
through.
You know, if anybody thatlisten here has ever worked with
a contractor, sometimes it'snot a fun experience because
those guys are always busy,they're running around, they
don't, some of them don't talkthe best of people.
You know they're very good atbuilding houses, but you know
maintaining meaningfulrelationships is not what
they're best at, and that's whatI'm best at.
So I work with the owner handin hand.
(10:19):
His name Dan.
He's not the relationshipbuilding type that's, that's
kind of my job, and so I buildthe relationship with the client
, the homeowner, and I'm thatfilter between him to the
homeowner and the homeowner tohim, you know.
And so we're me and him work asa team and we just we've built
a pretty good, successful thinggoing on.
So I want to go back to onething of how you got here.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So how did they find you?
You said they were looking overyour everything.
Somebody called you.
Was this because you wereupdating your resume on LinkedIn
, on indeed.
I'm kind of on indeed.
Yeah, so I was on, indeed, andI kind of just posted my resume
on.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Indeed, and it was more around like sales jobs,
around Orlando, you know, and Iwas actually doing it out of
Tampa because I thought I wasgoing to move to Tampa and this
construction company out ofOrlando called me and was like,
hey, your resume looks weird,you know, but you don't look
like you have any kind ofconstruction background.
But that's not necessarily whatwe need.
(11:17):
We need somebody who canmaintain and keep relationships
going.
And I was like, yeah, that's, Imean, that's exactly what I do,
so that's, they needed somebodythat could be, you know, a face
of what they're doing and youknow that's just what I'm doing.
So were there any other joboptions or was this like the one
of the?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
first opportunities you got and then you just kind
of jumped on it or no.
I had three or four otheroptions.
I still had the finance option.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know, I can still go to about two or three places
that we're looking at hiringfinance, you know, to do some
some sort of account manager to,you know, advisor, because I
still held all my license.
So I was like I'm not going todo that.
I still held all my license, sothere was a bunch of people
doing that.
But in that world, I mean I wastired of wearing a suit every
(12:07):
day.
I was just I was tired of it.
I mean, right now I get to rocka polo and maybe a pair of
joggers or a pair of jeans ifI'm going out to meet clients
and I'm wearing jeans.
But if I'm in the office allday, I'm just on a lake with a
pair of T-shirt and short.
So I mean that's, I'm kind ofliving the life that I wanted to
live.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
So, as far as job satisfaction goes on a scale of
one to 10, where would you sayyou're at in this current job
right now?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I guess a tricky question, because not this, I
don't.
I don't necessarily love thejob title and the job, but I
allow.
I love what the job allows meto do because it allows me to
meet so many new people aroundOrlando like fun fact.
I mean, I'm not going to say it, but I, you know, I'm doing a
(12:59):
project right now for somebodywho's very high up in EA sports.
I know when the new game'sgoing to come out.
We might need to bleep that out, but I know when the new
college football game is comingout, you know, and so I know.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
If somebody from EA sports hears this, that's what I
know, I've made it, that's whatI know.
So you know, but like, that'sthat's seriously like.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I develop a lot of meaningful relationships around
people around Orlando and that'sthat's what I like.
I don't necessarily love theday to day of like you know,
maybe something's messed up at ahomeowner's house and I have to
hear about it and I deal withit.
That's not always the fun partand sometimes clients get upset
(13:41):
because expectations are not met.
Don't like that man.
That's not a fun part of thejob.
But connecting with a lot ofpeople around Orlando, that's
pretty cool.
That's pretty cool and I likethat part of my job Because it's
allowed me to do like I said.
I now host trivia shows.
I now get to do play by play atFernda Arena football team.
(14:01):
I get to do tons of likeprivate events that I emcee and
host private events.
Like I would have never gottento do that with what I, without
what I'm doing.
So I've made the best of mycourage to George.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
No, 100% get that, and there's a stat that I put on
the podcast Instagram Every 4.1years, an American changes
career pass.
Yeah, would you say that yourdream job is still out there and
, if so, what would you consideryour dream job?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I would say anything, something with the microphone
in my hand, I mean.
Whatever that may be, I'm notnot kind of narrowed it down
just yet, but I think that'sthat's my favorite thing to do
on the planet, you know, hostsome, something of some sort.
But I also love owning my ownbusiness too, and I think, in
(14:57):
the current role that I'm in, mygoal is to own my own
construction business at thispoint.
But I'm very in depth in theworld, yeah, I mean I'm very,
I'm very hands on In this worldand I'm getting a lot of things
that I really like to do.
But I just did a lot of thingsthat I want to do.
I want to own my ownconstruction company, kevin, we
(15:17):
talked about.
I want to open up, you know,open up a barbecue place here in
Orlando that has like stand upcomedy, live music, trivia shows
, like I want to do that too,and that's something on my list.
And then I want to keep doingthe TV stuff.
I mean I had being on TV, heyman, it's kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
No, absolutely.
And the cool thing about it isand one thing that I want people
to be able to get out of thisshow is you're not stuck.
You're not stuck anywhere.
You are able to switch tothings that light you up.
One of the great things aboutwhat I've learned through
(15:58):
podcasting is you know, justbecause you go to college to get
a degree for something doesn'tmean you have to do that for 30
years, doesn't mean that youhave to be, absolutely not.
You don't have to be a teacherjust because you got a teaching
degree.
We are still in a positionwhere we can change and we can
(16:22):
go on to different things.
So, having those interests andknowing that about yourself,
knowing that there's a lot thatyou want to do and it might not
all be in the same thing andyou're still growing and we're
still getting to know ourselves,man, there's things that I'm
doing right now that 10 yearsago, I promise you, I would not
(16:42):
have ever seen myself doing andbeen interested in and that sort
of thing.
So that's really cool thatyou're allowing yourself to you
know, kind of learn and get toknow yourself in all those
different areas.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Dude, you hit it on my degrees in education.
I'm not a student.
You know what I mean.
So I just yeah, I mean wetalked about it at the very
beginning, I was going to be acoach that was what I was going
to be in Three or four yearsdown the road.
This is something that wouldhave never thought I would have
been doing to them.
But the other night you know alittle bit I was hosting a show
(17:16):
that probably around 150 to 200people were there, All you know,
and I'm sitting here getting tocontrol the music, the.
You know the way the crowdfeels, the ups and the downs,
and like never would havethought I'd ever been doing it,
you know, and that's it.
And then that right there justthat's the most fun I've ever
had is a packed house.
(17:39):
We have a packed show,Everybody's having a good time,
you know, crowds booing, I do it, I got booed.
I got booed and I thought thatit was going to be the worst
thing ever and I just somethingchanges in your body where you
just kind of feel at home withit and it's just you got to put
yourself out of your comfortzone.
That's what I think is what I'mtrying to say there, and got to
(18:02):
put yourself out of yourcomfort zone.
I messed up, like so I literallymessed something up and you
know me, I don't I'm not thebest at focus.
I can talk out my hands, sorry,I mean I don't know if we're
cussing the clever angle, but Italk out my butt sometimes and
sometimes it's good, sometimesit's bad.
I messed something up and itwas more of a playful boo, but
(18:23):
you know it can get to you ifyou don't watch out.
And I think the resiliency ofjust knowing that what I am I'm
grateful of doing this andhaving a good time, so it's
making me extremely grateful.
I just rolled with the punches,kept it going and dude yes,
you're not stuck to the longshort short you could.
You can literally do whateveryou want at any time.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, absolutely.
And like you said, man, it'sjust going to make you resilient
and a lot of people would havegiven up right then you get
booed and you're doing something.
Oh, man, it must be me.
You get inside your head andyou do all these different types
of things, and I learned a lotof that from from playing tennis
.
You know like it's such alonely sport.
So you get to you, you're inyour head a lot, you're thinking
(19:08):
a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And so to be able to put yourself out there, man,
like just even us doing thispodcast, dude, anybody that
listens to it like, unlessyou've sat in this seat, unless
you've done what I've done, youknow you don't really know what
is, uh, how it feels to be onthis side.
You know what I mean.
So, like, just the ability toget outside your comfort zone,
(19:35):
do something that you normallywant to do, do something even
though, in spite of being scared, you know that's real courage
to do, to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
So I'll tell you this everybody listens to this show.
There's going to be a timewhere somebody's going to ask
you to do something and it'syour answer is going to have to
be yes or no.
I encourage you just to, atleast 70% of the time, say yes,
you know, because you never knowwhat you're going to get out of
it, and that's the only reasonI am where I am today is because
(20:06):
I've said yes to probably about90% of when somebody asked me
to do something.
Yes, yeah, whether I know howto do it or not.
Like my first trivia show.
He goes hey man, you want tohost this show downtown Orlando?
And I was like, yeah, sure, Inever had hosted before in my
life.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I just showed up, tried it andthen you know three, you know
(20:28):
probably three shows later, allof a sudden, the guy who plays
Neville Longbottom from HarryPotter walks in the bar because
he lives in Orlando and I'msitting here drinking a beer
with him and just watching atrivia show, having a good time.
But you know, it's like I neverI would have said yes to that
opportunity.
I probably wouldn't have hadthat opportunity to just sit and
(20:49):
get hammered with NevilleLongbottom yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And you mentioned that one of the first things
that you did when you got intotown was, you know, you went
down to the local pub and youmet a guy that was hosting
trivia.
When did it become a thing towhere they were asking you to
host?
Did you just build that rapportwith one of the owners or
somebody that was doing it, oryou know how did that kind of
(21:13):
come about?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, so I'll give credit to his name's Nick Siddle
, and I'll give a ton of creditto that guy.
He just knows he builds, he'salways an attorney, he picks
juries for a living and one ofthe things he knows is he knows
how to read people pretty well,you know, and I just introduced
myself to him.
We started hanging out and Itold him I was like dude, yeah,
(21:38):
I'm on a podcast calledWatchless Wednesday, you know,
and I just that was in the areaof Tevinah, but me trying to
tell everybody.
I'm trying to tell everybody.
I'm like.
And then he was like he waslike okay, so we started talking
and hanging out more.
And he was like would you everwant to do something like this?
And I was like, hell, yeah,dude.
(21:58):
Yes, put me in front of amicrophone, I'll do anything.
And he was like all right,sounds good and it.
I mean, it was probably threemonths from the first time I sat
foot into the door of thattrivia show, from the time I
hosted a trivia show, so I'd sayprobably three months.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, and I mean you have that out, just that outward
personality to.
I mean you're 6'6, for goodnessgreat.
I mean you're intimidatingwhoever you're around anyway,
you basically probably justwalked up to the guy and was
like hey, give me, give me ashot.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I just did it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
There are just regular sized people out there
and someone that might be anintrovert.
What are some advice that youwould have to being more
extroverted and taking chances,even though that they it's
really still not outside thecomfort zone.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Sure.
So a couple things.
A nobody cares about you.
So when you think thateverybody's thinking about you,
everybody's thinking aboutthemselves.
Everybody's so worried aboutthe way they look, everybody's
worried about if their shoeslook fine with their outfit.
Like you, nobody's thinkingabout you 24 seven.
(23:08):
So just kind of don't takeyourself so seriously, just kind
of breathe for a second.
But I will say, probably themost important thing I can do is
be nice to everybody that youmeet like they throw hand, laugh
, cut a joke with them and makeeverybody, make everybody has
that one friend that you loveand you feel welcome with right
(23:32):
and you know from Kevin has meanyou when we see each other.
We got to put that because wehold each other, we, you know,
and I do that Like I try to makeeverybody feel like they're my
best friend and all that's doneis to make sure and I treat
everybody with respect, whetherit's the hostess at the bar,
whether it's the owner of thebar, I treat everybody with the
(23:54):
same level of respect.
They all get a hey, how's itgoing, how was your day?
You know, they all get the samelevel of respect from me.
And I think for an introvert orfor anybody who's wanting to
break into a field.
If you act like that, peopleare going to want to be around
you and they're going to.
When they think ofopportunities to give somebody,
they're going to give it to youbecause you're a joy to be
(24:15):
around.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Has there ever been a situation where you're hosting
trivia or in your construction,you just anytime that you've
been in Orlando where you'vemade a fool out of yourself, got
embarrassed in some kind of way?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
All the time, tim, all the time I hosted a show,
they asked me to fill in for ashow and they're like hey, can
you fill in at this bar?
I got there, the mic did notwork and at a huge bar, it is
huge bar, so it's like perjuryrules terms like let's put at
the back of Buffalo Wildlings,right, okay?
(24:49):
So that's about the size of thetrivia show, and it was packed.
No seat was empty.
So I stood on the bar andyelled the questions because I
wasn't.
Everybody come to play triviaand the mic did not work.
I was 20 minutes outside ofOrlando so I couldn't run, get a
(25:10):
different mic and come back,you know.
So, like the trivia show had togo on.
So I literally stood on the barand yelled the answers the
entire time and you know thateverybody was like this was so
unique and so crazy.
Some people thought it wasterrible, you know, and then.
But some people thought it wasunique and fun and was just like
(25:32):
, surely, dude, that was soembarrassing having to stand on
a bar.
Admit that my mic did not work,that I brought, you know, and
so it was either sucking up, youknow, go home and pal, but
they'd pay me to do this man,they, they pay me to put on a
show, so I'm going to do it, nomatter what.
No matter what.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Have I ever told you the geography B story from from
grade school?
No no, okay.
So sixth grade we had ageography B.
I don't know why they decidedthat in sixth grade we were
going to have a geography B.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We went to the same sixth grade.
I know exactly I don't fit mygeography B.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So it's okay.
They had like this initial test.
Like hey, you know, I can'teven remember like top five, top
six from each class that doesgood on this geography test quiz
for the geography.
He's gotta be in the geographyB in front of the whole school,
right?
So quick side note geography islike my worst subject ever.
(26:37):
But I'm sitting behind DavidHornbeck and I just like I don't
know what possessed me, but Iwas like I'm gonna just cheat on
.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm gonna cheat on this little this geography quiz,
bro.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm going out there, I'm getting on this geography B
list, so obviously, cheat likeChina was one of the answers to
one of the questions.
I'm like, okay, cool, theycalled my name and it's time to
go out there for the geography.
Like.
This is like a week later orsomething and I'm out here, bro,
I'm telling you I don't knowanything about geography now I'd
(27:10):
probably still get waxed bysome sixth graders in geography.
But I go out there and they'vegot like this map, they've got
this globe and you're having toidentify these different things
in the geography B and I'm justclueless, bro, clueless.
So I just say I say China threetimes in a row and I just get
eliminated and have to sit downand that was like one of the
most embarrassing things ever.
(27:31):
I'm like dude, I put myself inthis position on purpose, it's
my own fault and still to thisday, it's just one of those
things that just kind of hauntme.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So you were know something like small world
moment.
I was in the same geography B.
I made it to and we were in thegym.
We were in the gymnasium.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, yeah, I was there.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was there, I was in it and got eliminated
immediately.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, immediately.
I think Western Weeks won thegeography B or something like
that.
But I'm just like dude, why didI care so much about being in
this thing?
Like I mean, obviously I wasn'tinterested in it because I
never took it really seriously.
But yeah, you're absolutelyright, nobody cares.
Nobody cares about it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I was in Miss Stepford's class.
I don't know if you rememberMiss Stepford, but I was in Miss
Stepford's class here.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
For sure so.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, nobody cares.
You're right, though, nobodycares.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, so what are some lessons that you would say
that you have learned sincebeing in Florida?
Top things that you've learnedsince leaving home.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So it's OK to be scared Like so.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Dropping gems out here, already out the gate.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So what you're seeing now is I just moved into a
brand new house and it's a teamwith a two bedroom.
It's a two bedroom house, it'sbigger than I.
It's probably on the top sideof my budget of what I can
afford.
And I had to literally call mymom the other day because I was
scared, Dude, and I was like,not that, I was just what, if?
(29:18):
What if it all went away?
You know, and that's the firstthought, you know, when you do
something that's out of yourcomfort zone or you take a risk
on something, could it all goaway?
You know?
And then my mom looked at meand goes Jordan, you work so
hard that, no matter what, ifyou lost everything today,
you'll still be fine Because youknow you always find a way out
(29:40):
of it because of your work ethic, you know.
And so I was like, yeah.
Then I looked at myself and Iwas like, oh, I could afford
this place if I host five showsa week.
You know to be a show's a week,and I just, you know, I think
that's the interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
That's the interesting thing, Jordan.
Once you open your mind todifferent thoughts, you start to
you start thinking of ways tobe able to do that.
So like, if you want to make ahundred thousand dollars.
You probably never thoughtabout that before, but once you
start thinking about it everyday, your mind starts saying OK,
how can we make this happen?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You figure out a way.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Like you exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
You figure a way out, and yet you're exactly right to
have it.
And so that was Be OK, to bescared in that moment, because
they never know who you're goingto talk to and they might open
up something you know in yourmind.
And I'm like man, I just didn'teven think about that because I
was so freaked out in themoment that the most logical
answer never came to my head,you know.
(30:31):
So that was one of the biggestlessons of here moving to
Florida Like I've never, alwayswent in with just kind of a bull
in a China shop, rhinoceros,forward energy and being
retrospective one time and beingscared.
My mom dropped a huge jam on me.
That just was not expecting,you know.
And the second thing is is youcontrol how you treat everybody
(30:57):
around you.
So if you're not liked, oryou're people don't like you or
people you know are standoffishtowards you, it's because of you
, it's not because of anybodyelse around you.
And I just I think that a lotof people today Are upset with
the current situations.
They think people don't likethem and it's like man, if you
(31:19):
would just take a second andjust literally from the time,
from wherever you walk intosomebody I said that earlier to
them.
And if you just treat everybodywith warm and welcoming embrace
and remember their names andtalk to them and just do the
bare minimum man, your life'sgoing to open up.
Because I'll tell you this,I've made OK Money in Arkansas
(31:43):
from time to time.
But like I hosted a trivia showand one client that I just he
she came in.
We started having a good time.
I started giving their teamhell a little bit.
We had fun at the end of theday.
She asked me what I do.
I said construction.
I told me you had a phone callabout it.
I was like Kevin, you will notbelieve the cat that check those
(32:05):
cash from one person and Ididn't even know it just had 10
days ago.
You know to the point wherewe're sitting there and she's
handed me over as much businessas I can handle because she
loved the way that I was nice toeverybody in the bar.
She was like oh yeah, I want towork with that guy.
So everybody's watching.
Everybody's watching how youtreat people.
(32:27):
But everybody is also worriedabout themselves.
So don't take yourself tooseriously.
And it's OK to get scared,that's yeah.
Those are my like kind oflessons that I would teach
somebody.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Absolutely, man, and those are powerful lessons that
I know a lot of people are goingto get a value out of.
So I've got a question that I'mgoing to start asking my guests
and do you think in 2024 thatcollege is overrated?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Can I answer yes and no?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, and I want to hear why.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
OK For the traditional education?
Yes, I think so.
Yes, but what I've learned frommy time in college was there
was a lot of times where Ilearned critical thinking skills
.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
That helped me today a lot, and so I don't think that
, see, see now you're soundinglike a politician now, because I
think that you would have beenthe same.
You're knowing with or withoutcollege Maybe, and you're
probably right, you're probablyright.
The time that you spent inOrlando, those four years.
You know now it's 25, 24.
(33:35):
So 2020 is when you were stillhere, Rock with me and Jonesboro
.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
The same four years would have been some the same
amount of time someone wouldhave spent getting an
undergraduate degree.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, this life experience going out here, being
in the field, shaking hands,learning that networking is
powerful, how you treat people,respect.
It's OK to be scared.
Those are things that I didn'tlearn in college.
I don't know if you did.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, no, I didn't.
I didn't.
No, no, no, no, no, I didn't dothat.
But I just think, like man,there's, there's some things
that I didn't like.
I learned how to be, and Idon't know if it's now this way
it is, but there is just there'sso many more ideas out there
than than yours, and I thinkthat's, but I don't think I
needed to pay 50 grand to learnthat, you know.
(34:21):
That's why I say that.
But just, I think it isimportant to learn.
There's a lot of skills thatyou can learn.
They're not, you know,education based.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
But let me ask you this, then Let me ask you this
Because your answer was yes andno.
So you're trying to play thefence over it.
So I'm giving a definitiveanswer here.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I'm going to say no, then no.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So OK, so lovely.
I'm still challenging you Allright.
So do you think that, with theway that technology is, the
internet is you know we live inthe most information at the your
fingertips era that I thinkwe've ever lived in?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Do you not think that a lot of those, the same things
that you would learn by payingsomebody?
Like if I paid $50,000 outsideof college, like if I just had
50 K and I could just spend iton education, learning the
things that I wanted to learn,and you know this, and that
marketing, whatever it is, Icould use it better than going
to organized school?
So that was the basically thething.
(35:19):
Like if someone gave me a$50,000 alone, it was like, ok,
you can get all the educationyou want.
It wouldn't be in the capacityof school, it'd be you know
courses, it'd be.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I got 50,000.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So now I can afford to do like a nonpaid internship.
If I have 50 K, I'm like I cango work under that carpenter for
free or whatever, not have toworry about bills, versus like
that's just going towardstuition and I'm still having to
work in college and I get it,there's still a place for
college.
Because I think that there arecertain degrees that obviously I
(35:53):
want my educators, I want mydoctors, I want all these people
to be certified and educated.
But I mean, like can we startshedding some light on?
An art degree probably isn'tthe best thing for an artist,
you know.
An exercise science degree?
That's not something thatpeople are.
If you're a good personaltrainer and I can see like okay,
jordan's jacked.
(36:14):
He obviously knows how he gotjacked, I'm not asking for your
credentials.
If you're my personal traineror my personal chef, you know
what I mean.
Like you can throw that in thekitchen.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You're 100% right.
So I say that too.
I wanted to try to like.
I do toe the line of there aresome skills, but like there's a
guy on Instagram I don't knowhis name is David Meltzer.
I don't know if you've everfought him in, but he taught me
nine, like 9,000% more ofbusiness and gratitude and
(36:47):
things like that than I'd everdid learning college, and he
would.
He would gladly take my $50,000and I probably would have made
it a whole lot more.
So, yeah, I do.
I'm like you my lawyers, myteachers, my doctors.
I do want them to do school, Iwant them to be certified, I
want them to be the best of thebest.
But, man, there's so many waysto to get around the bases at
(37:09):
this point, you know you don'thave to go to the traditional
power, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah.
You used to use to have to gofirst, second, third home.
You know nothing.
You don't have to do thatanymore.
You can go anywhere with whereyou want to.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, and I think that it's because that there's so
much more opportunity, access toinformation and a lot of things
, that before you know, if youwanted to know X, you couldn't
just go to the internet, youcouldn't ask Google or chat GBT
or all of these things Like.
There's opportunities, like ifI want to learn coding, I can
learn coding just directly.
(37:44):
I can go to these websites likeUdemy and Skillshare and all of
these things where people haveput in time to make these
courses and, you know, insteadof giving it to this university,
I can give it to someone that'sworked hard and created this,
this platform, and learn thingsthat way and get to choose at
like a lot lower clip as far asthe financial compensation.
(38:07):
So I'm just to the point where,like I get it.
Higher education has its placeand it always will.
But for the people that don'treally know what they want to do
, I wish that there was lessfunneling them into just kind of
making this rash life decisionat 18.
(38:28):
Then, like, hey, maybe youshould check out a trade school,
maybe you should just work, ormaybe you should read these 10
books or you know, whatever itis, because I suffer from that
type of education, where I wentthrough this entire game of you
know game of life, or 12th grade.
(38:49):
Now I'm a freshman in collegeand now I'm in, and you know
what I felt after I graduated?
I felt like empty, because Ifelt like I was at the end of
the rope, and then I didn't getwhat they promised me.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I didn't get a job.
You know, like the job that youdidn't get, exactly, you didn't
get the end of the rainbow andlook, look, look, everybody look
at me dead in the face.
If you want to go be a plumber,go be a plumber Like, because I
pay plumbers so much moneybeing in the construction world
right now like plumbers,electricians, and those guys are
(39:19):
going away.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Those are trades man.
Those are trades that you don'thave to go to college and get a
degree.
You can go straight to a tradeschool.
For a fifth of the cost, like10K.
You can be a plumber.
You can be an electrician, youcan do all of these things and
those are the backbone and whichour society is built on, and I
absolutely like I promise you ifI can go back, or I'm having to
(39:44):
give you the heating and airguy I'm having to give the
electrician, I'm starting my ownbusiness because one you're
still owning your own businessin a sense to where you get to
control your own time, to whereI can do more of these things.
Or, you know, if I go back,maybe, now that I know myself a
little bit better, I value Iknow that I value that time off
and being able to be with myparents Maybe I do go to the
(40:06):
route of becoming a teacherbecause like, okay, I'm off in
the summer, I'm not gonna coach.
I've seen how people go down thecoaching road and you're
basically you don't have anytime off of your coach.
Maybe I'm just having thefourth grade science teacher and
I'm off on Martin Luther KingDay, and I'm off on spring break
and I'm off on Christmasmorning in the summer.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
And that's a pretty good life, and that's a pretty
good yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And guess what?
I'm still podcasting during thesummer, I'm still doing all
these things that I get to love.
Maybe I got a gardener, I don'tknow.
But now that I'm starting, tofigure out, like what I know a
little bit more about myself now.
Then I did at 18 when I wasjust kind of just fed.
This is the next thing that youdo and you're almost kind of
penalized when you don't knowwhat you and props to the people
(40:48):
like.
If you're 18 and you knewexactly what you want to do like
you were in the minority, Ipromise you, because a lot of us
were still chasing ourex-girlfriend.
That broke our heart from threeyears ago and all that.
Like our brains weren't fullydeveloped to even kind of make
those decisions and here I amsigning this fast for 20 KS a
(41:12):
semester and I'm like, yeah,sure, that's fine and not really
knowing the ramifications ofwhat I was getting myself into.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Right, nah, I'm just saying 100%, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So but yeah, man, I appreciate you taking the time
to sit down and kind of talkabout what you've been doing,
Cause you're a prime example ofyou can switch it up and you can
be happier and you can keepevolving into something that
you're not done yet.
You're still in transition,You're still moving through the
journey and that's the best partto be able to know where you
(41:47):
want to go.
But enjoy the ride, Enjoy theride, experience things.
Stop to smell the roses, theflowers, meet the people along
the way.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely, and what likethis.
I told you when you firststarted this it's a genius idea,
so keep it going.
I love you and thanks forhaving me on.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Absolutely.
Yeah, this has been anotherepisode of the Clever Angle
podcast.
Thanks again to our host,jordan, for taking the time to
sit down with us.
Follow us on all socials.
At the Clever Angle, subscribeon YouTube if you're listening
on there or watching on there,and until next time, peace,
peace out.
And we are back.
Here is another episode of theclever angle podcast.
My guest today is Jordan Owen.
Some of you might haverecognized Jordan from either
the watch this Wednesday podcastor he actually did one of my, I
think the second episode of theclever angle.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Jordan was a guest on there talking about finance.
Jordan brother, how are youdoing, man?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Dude, it's.
It's good to be back on apodcast with you.
I mean, that's all that matters, right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Jordan, can you just tell us a little bit about what
you've been up to since we'vedone that podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, man, it's been a whole yeah, I mean it's been a
whole another year.
I mean, yeah, it was 2020,wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, so 2020, it's all left Jonesville and come
down to Orlando, florida, tojoin a construction firm.
I was doing some consultingwork with them first.
You know sales teams and thingslike that, and this is I think
this is a good conversation thatwe're going to have which is a
lot of your people that listento this podcast, I don't know
(01:05):
what they want to do or kind ofare stuck in a position where
you don't know.
You know, am I doing the rightthing?
And I'll say this, like now,since moving down to Florida now
, I host three trivia showsaround Orlando, you know, and
have a pretty thriving littleside business there.
I do play by play for the arenafootball team.
(01:28):
You know, during that I was onthe TV broadcast this year where
got picked up by ESPN.
And, you know, during the day,I'm a day walker doing the
construction stuff.
So you know, I do a little bitof everything around here.
Yeah, you're just a man thatwears many hats you know what I
(01:48):
mean Always into something.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So tell me, how did you get sparked into that?
You know, when we last talked,finance was something that you
know.
You were really good at talkingto people negotiating.
You know just the naturalthings that you need in a sales
like, job, like that Door.
Yes, you're giving financialadvice, but I am in the camp now
as I've expanded my knowledgethat pretty much everything is
(02:12):
sales, and you were really goodat that.
So what made you want to say,hey, I'm packing up everything,
I'm going to Florida, I'm goingto go.
It's for a construction company.
I mean, you're a 7.
Yeah, I mean that's right upyour alley.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I mean.
So here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
Like you said it right,everything is sales, but for me,
I wanted to.
So I don't know when this isgoing to come out, but at the
time of recording, you guys arein the middle of a snowstorm and
it's zero degrees outside.
Absolutely.
(02:49):
That was happening to me when Iwas in Arkansas and I was like I
can't do this anymore.
I can't sit there and look.
Just I just want to be aroundhere to do weather.
So I was like I want to move toFlorida.
What kind of careers are inFlorida?
And this construction companycalled me.
They saw my resume and it wasvery like sales based, leading,
(03:09):
team based, things like that.
And so they asked me hey, wouldyou be interested in coming
down working with this andworking with our sales teams and
trying to grow that kind ofdivision that we're doing?
And initially wasn't interestedin it, but after talking with
them I was like, yeah, thatsounds like I wanted to do
something new and that was theeasiest path to get into it.
(03:33):
And I feel like you can takeand do what you want.
Just, you got to make it yoursand any kind of career.
And I say that you know, maybeyou're an accountant, but if you
can really look hard enough andknow the right people and are
friendly enough, you can meetthe right people to make any
kind of career what you want,and that's what I'm going to
turn this one into at this point.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.
So I mean, as someone that'skind of rooted where he is, you
know, I've got a lot of reasonsfor why I decided to stay in
Jonesboro.
Family was being the biggestone, and that's, you know, my
young daughters growing up.
I want them to be able to bearound their grandparents and
grow up because that's somethingthat I didn't have.
So to me, especially in myearly 30s, that's something that
(04:16):
is very important to me.
You know when I start writingthe things that I can be happy
doing.
Obviously, my ultimate goal isto make it doing podcasting.
That's my ultimate goal and I'mgoing to keep working towards
that goal.
Cool thing about podcasting isI can connect with you all the
way in Florida.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So you said weather was a big thing and initially
that it didn't sound likesomething that you wanted to do.
That was just enough for you tojust kind of just put it all on
red and not know anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, honestly, honestly, it was.
But you know me, I feel like Idon't.
I don't go into places where Idon't know anybody and that's if
I have one skill in this world.
I feel like you could drop mein Bozeman, montana, and you
come back and check on me inthree months.
And you know, I found arestaurant that I know everybody
in the restaurant.
I found a, you know, I found abar that I know the bartenders
(05:12):
and we kind of that's just whatI do, and so it was nothing to
move to Florida and kind ofstart that over.
And now it's just something,man, it's, it's fun to do and I
don't know if Orlando, I visitedOrlando, so it just felt very
welcoming to times that Ivisited, and so I was like I
(05:33):
just want to be around moreweather, I want to be, you know,
around the beach, I want to bearound water or sunshine.
So no other place in sunnyOrlando, florida.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, so take me through what that process was,
moving from Arkansas to Florida,like what was your last days
like in Arkansas, and how didthat, what feeling were you
experiencing when you weregetting ready to move?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so I mean you know, kind of a little bit of
not regret but just badness ofleaving Cause that's all I'd
ever known.
For 30 years I grew up, youknow, in the same house around
you, you know, 10, 15 minutesfrom where you were.
I was, that's all I ever knownand it was kind of scary going
to.
You know, an area where there'slike 2 million people, you know
(06:20):
, around this Orlando area, notnecessarily in Orlando, but
around the Orlando area.
So I was sitting there and justnot just kind of scared to jump
in, but there was a video bySteve Harvey, you know, and it's
always it said jump, you know,just jump, jump.
And I watched it like a thousandtimes, I watched you a thousand
times.
I was like, okay, I'm just, I'mgoing to do it.
(06:40):
But again, the saddest part wasthe relationships that I built,
like again, saying that what Ijust said, I went into like
three restaurants I went onJonesville that paid for my last
meal and said, hey, we'd loveto have a new thanks for coming
in your Q 49.
Mama, saying places like thatthat I had developed meaningful
(07:02):
relationship just outside mydaily friendship that's.
You know, leaving thoserelationships with the toughest
but trying to find new ones werewere just as much fun.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, so you packed up your life.
You know, you left, like Simba,obviously, the sun always comes
back home eventually.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So we're not worried about that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But you know what was it like when you got to Florida
.
Like, where do you stay inOrlando?
Do you stay kind of outsideLike you're in winter park?
Is that where you're?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
at.
Yeah, I was right in the middleof it.
I was right in the middle of it, so about a mile and a half
from downtown, and I just gotlucky.
I honestly got lucky.
I was on a Facebook page thattold me it said hey man, I was
like, where do I move intoOrlando, where?
And everybody said winter park,winter park, winter park.
(07:52):
It is a little bougie, but it'sit's the nicest part of winter
park.
And so I got lucky and then Iended up moving.
So I'm seeing a flyer that saidhey, trivia night at this pub.
And it was like a mile from myapartment.
I just walked there my firstnight.
I did walk there and I was likeI don't want to go do this
(08:12):
trivia night.
And wit, and the trivia hostwas a young guy like myself and
he was just hanging out drinking, having a good time, partying,
cutting up with everybody.
I'm like, dude, that's what Iwant to do.
I want to go ahead and talk, tointroduce myself to him, and we
started hanging out.
You know, then, he's helped megrow every friendship I've had
down here.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, so you're down here.
You're in a new place.
You just started introducingyourself to yourself, acclimated
as the, as Jordan would do.
Yeah, and so you move in.
You're getting ready to startyour job.
What's it like doing theconstruction off the rip?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's the so, honestly , it's not.
It's not exact.
It's almost exactly what I wasdoing.
I'm just using a differentvehicle.
You know, until I say that I'mstill talking and communicating
with people every day, likethat's not changing.
I was doing that in finance.
I'm doing that now.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
What is your exact role?
What's your exact role as yourcompany?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So what I do now is I'm a project coordinator, so
I'm the first person you see ona job.
So when you, when somebodycalls our construction company
and says, hey, I want to build,you know, I want to add two
bedrooms to the back of my houseand I want to build a, you know
, add a, redo my kitchen I'm thefirst person you see, I come
(09:36):
out, introduce, introduce myself, introduce yourself myself to
the company and I kind of getyou acclimated to what it's
going to be like for the nextwhatever four or five months, of
what you're going to go through, walk them through.
You know, hey, this is what'sgoing to happen around your
house, this is what you're goingto go in here, this is what the
money looks like, and then I'mthat contact the whole way
(09:56):
through.
You know, if anybody thatlisten here has ever worked with
a contractor, sometimes it'snot a fun experience because
those guys are always busy,they're running around, they
don't, some of them don't talkthe best of people.
You know they're very good atbuilding houses, but you know
maintaining meaningfulrelationships is not what
they're best at, and that's whatI'm best at.
So I work with the owner handin hand.
(10:19):
His name Dan.
He's not the relationshipbuilding type that's, that's
kind of my job, and so I buildthe relationship with the client
, the homeowner, and I'm thatfilter between him to the
homeowner and the homeowner tohim, you know.
And so we're me and him work asa team and we just we've built
a pretty good, successful thinggoing on.
So I want to go back to onething of how you got here.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
So how did they find you?
You said they were looking overyour everything.
Somebody called you.
Was this because you wereupdating your resume on LinkedIn
, on indeed.
I'm kind of on indeed.
Yeah, so I was on, indeed, andI kind of just posted my resume
on.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Indeed, and it was more around like sales jobs,
around Orlando, you know, and Iwas actually doing it out of
Tampa because I thought I wasgoing to move to Tampa and this
construction company out ofOrlando called me and was like,
hey, your resume looks weird,you know, but you don't look
like you have any kind ofconstruction background.
But that's not necessarily whatwe need.
(11:17):
We need somebody who canmaintain and keep relationships
going.
And I was like, yeah, that's, Imean, that's exactly what I do,
so that's, they needed somebodythat could be, you know, a face
of what they're doing and youknow that's just what I'm doing.
So were there any other joboptions or was this like the one
of the?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
first opportunities you got and then you just kind
of jumped on it or no.
I had three or four otheroptions.
I still had the finance option.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know, I can still go to about two or three places
that we're looking at hiringfinance, you know, to do some
some sort of account manager to,you know, advisor, because I
still held all my license.
So I was like I'm not going todo that.
I still held all my license, sothere was a bunch of people
doing that.
But in that world, I mean I wastired of wearing a suit every
(12:07):
day.
I was just I was tired of it.
I mean, right now I get to rocka polo and maybe a pair of
joggers or a pair of jeans ifI'm going out to meet clients
and I'm wearing jeans.
But if I'm in the office allday, I'm just on a lake with a
pair of T-shirt and short.
So I mean that's, I'm kind ofliving the life that I wanted to
live.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
So, as far as job satisfaction goes on a scale of
one to 10, where would you sayyou're at in this current job
right now?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I guess a tricky question, because not this, I
don't.
I don't necessarily love thejob title and the job, but I
allow.
I love what the job allows meto do because it allows me to
meet so many new people aroundOrlando like fun fact.
I mean, I'm not going to say it, but I, you know, I'm doing a
(12:59):
project right now for somebodywho's very high up in EA sports.
I know when the new game'sgoing to come out.
We might need to bleep that out, but I know when the new
college football game is comingout, you know, and so I know.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
If somebody from EA sports hears this, that's what I
know, I've made it, that's whatI know.
So you know, but like, that'sthat's seriously like.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I develop a lot of meaningful relationships around
people around Orlando and that'sthat's what I like.
I don't necessarily love theday to day of like you know,
maybe something's messed up at ahomeowner's house and I have to
hear about it and I deal withit.
That's not always the fun partand sometimes clients get upset
(13:41):
because expectations are not met.
Don't like that man.
That's not a fun part of thejob.
But connecting with a lot ofpeople around Orlando, that's
pretty cool.
That's pretty cool and I likethat part of my job Because it's
allowed me to do like I said.
I now host trivia shows.
I now get to do play by play atFernda Arena football team.
(14:01):
I get to do tons of likeprivate events that I emcee and
host private events.
Like I would have never gottento do that with what I, without
what I'm doing.
So I've made the best of mycourage to George.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
No, 100% get that, and there's a stat that I put on
the podcast Instagram Every 4.1years, an American changes
career pass.
Yeah, would you say that yourdream job is still out there and
, if so, what would you consideryour dream job?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I would say anything, something with the microphone
in my hand, I mean.
Whatever that may be, I'm notnot kind of narrowed it down
just yet, but I think that'sthat's my favorite thing to do
on the planet, you know, hostsome, something of some sort.
But I also love owning my ownbusiness too, and I think, in
(14:57):
the current role that I'm in, mygoal is to own my own
construction business at thispoint.
But I'm very in depth in theworld, yeah, I mean I'm very,
I'm very hands on In this worldand I'm getting a lot of things
that I really like to do.
But I just did a lot of thingsthat I want to do.
I want to own my ownconstruction company, kevin, we
(15:17):
talked about.
I want to open up, you know,open up a barbecue place here in
Orlando that has like stand upcomedy, live music, trivia shows
, like I want to do that too,and that's something on my list.
And then I want to keep doingthe TV stuff.
I mean I had being on TV, heyman, it's kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
No, absolutely.
And the cool thing about it isand one thing that I want people
to be able to get out of thisshow is you're not stuck.
You're not stuck anywhere.
You are able to switch tothings that light you up.
One of the great things aboutwhat I've learned through
(15:58):
podcasting is you know, justbecause you go to college to get
a degree for something doesn'tmean you have to do that for 30
years, doesn't mean that youhave to be, absolutely not.
You don't have to be a teacherjust because you got a teaching
degree.
We are still in a positionwhere we can change and we can
(16:22):
go on to different things.
So, having those interests andknowing that about yourself,
knowing that there's a lot thatyou want to do and it might not
all be in the same thing andyou're still growing and we're
still getting to know ourselves,man, there's things that I'm
doing right now that 10 yearsago, I promise you, I would not
(16:42):
have ever seen myself doing andbeen interested in and that sort
of thing.
So that's really cool thatyou're allowing yourself to you
know, kind of learn and get toknow yourself in all those
different areas.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Dude, you hit it on my degrees in education.
I'm not a student.
You know what I mean.
So I just yeah, I mean wetalked about it at the very
beginning, I was going to be acoach that was what I was going
to be in Three or four yearsdown the road.
This is something that wouldhave never thought I would have
been doing to them.
But the other night you know alittle bit I was hosting a show
(17:16):
that probably around 150 to 200people were there, All you know,
and I'm sitting here getting tocontrol the music, the.
You know the way the crowdfeels, the ups and the downs,
and like never would havethought I'd ever been doing it,
you know, and that's it.
And then that right there justthat's the most fun I've ever
had is a packed house.
(17:39):
We have a packed show,Everybody's having a good time,
you know, crowds booing, I do it, I got booed.
I got booed and I thought thatit was going to be the worst
thing ever and I just somethingchanges in your body where you
just kind of feel at home withit and it's just you got to put
yourself out of your comfortzone.
That's what I think is what I'mtrying to say there, and got to
(18:02):
put yourself out of yourcomfort zone.
I messed up, like so I literallymessed something up and you
know me, I don't I'm not thebest at focus.
I can talk out my hands, sorry,I mean I don't know if we're
cussing the clever angle, but Italk out my butt sometimes and
sometimes it's good, sometimesit's bad.
I messed something up and itwas more of a playful boo, but
(18:23):
you know it can get to you ifyou don't watch out.
And I think the resiliency ofjust knowing that what I am I'm
grateful of doing this andhaving a good time, so it's
making me extremely grateful.
I just rolled with the punches,kept it going and dude yes,
you're not stuck to the longshort short you could.
You can literally do whateveryou want at any time.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, absolutely.
And like you said, man, it'sjust going to make you resilient
and a lot of people would havegiven up right then you get
booed and you're doing something.
Oh, man, it must be me.
You get inside your head andyou do all these different types
of things, and I learned a lotof that from from playing tennis
.
You know like it's such alonely sport.
So you get to you, you're inyour head a lot, you're thinking
(19:08):
a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
And so to be able to put yourself out there, man,
like just even us doing thispodcast, dude, anybody that
listens to it like, unlessyou've sat in this seat, unless
you've done what I've done, youknow you don't really know what
is, uh, how it feels to be onthis side.
You know what I mean.
So, like, just the ability toget outside your comfort zone,
(19:35):
do something that you normallywant to do, do something even
though, in spite of being scared, you know that's real courage
to do, to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
So I'll tell you this everybody listens to this show.
There's going to be a timewhere somebody's going to ask
you to do something and it'syour answer is going to have to
be yes or no.
I encourage you just to, atleast 70% of the time, say yes,
you know, because you never knowwhat you're going to get out of
it, and that's the only reasonI am where I am today is because
(20:06):
I've said yes to probably about90% of when somebody asked me
to do something.
Yes, yeah, whether I know howto do it or not.
Like my first trivia show.
He goes hey man, you want tohost this show downtown Orlando?
And I was like, yeah, sure, Inever had hosted before in my
life.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I just showed up, tried it andthen you know three, you know
(20:28):
probably three shows later, allof a sudden, the guy who plays
Neville Longbottom from HarryPotter walks in the bar because
he lives in Orlando and I'msitting here drinking a beer
with him and just watching atrivia show, having a good time.
But you know, it's like I neverI would have said yes to that
opportunity.
I probably wouldn't have hadthat opportunity to just sit and
(20:49):
get hammered with NevilleLongbottom yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And you mentioned that one of the first things
that you did when you got intotown was, you know, you went
down to the local pub and youmet a guy that was hosting
trivia.
When did it become a thing towhere they were asking you to
host?
Did you just build that rapportwith one of the owners or
somebody that was doing it, oryou know how did that kind of
(21:13):
come about?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, so I'll give credit to his name's Nick Siddle
, and I'll give a ton of creditto that guy.
He just knows he builds, he'salways an attorney, he picks
juries for a living and one ofthe things he knows is he knows
how to read people pretty well,you know, and I just introduced
myself to him.
We started hanging out and Itold him I was like dude, yeah,
(21:38):
I'm on a podcast calledWatchless Wednesday, you know,
and I just that was in the areaof Tevinah, but me trying to
tell everybody.
I'm trying to tell everybody.
I'm like.
And then he was like he waslike okay, so we started talking
and hanging out more.
And he was like would you everwant to do something like this?
And I was like, hell, yeah,dude.
(21:58):
Yes, put me in front of amicrophone, I'll do anything.
And he was like all right,sounds good and it.
I mean, it was probably threemonths from the first time I sat
foot into the door of thattrivia show, from the time I
hosted a trivia show, so I'd sayprobably three months.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, and I mean you have that out, just that outward
personality to.
I mean you're 6'6, for goodnessgreat.
I mean you're intimidatingwhoever you're around anyway,
you basically probably justwalked up to the guy and was
like hey, give me, give me ashot.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I just did it.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
There are just regular sized people out there
and someone that might be anintrovert.
What are some advice that youwould have to being more
extroverted and taking chances,even though that they it's
really still not outside thecomfort zone.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Sure.
So a couple things.
A nobody cares about you.
So when you think thateverybody's thinking about you,
everybody's thinking aboutthemselves.
Everybody's so worried aboutthe way they look, everybody's
worried about if their shoeslook fine with their outfit.
Like you, nobody's thinkingabout you 24 seven.
(23:08):
So just kind of don't takeyourself so seriously, just kind
of breathe for a second.
But I will say, probably themost important thing I can do is
be nice to everybody that youmeet like they throw hand, laugh
, cut a joke with them and makeeverybody, make everybody has
that one friend that you loveand you feel welcome with right
(23:32):
and you know from Kevin has meanyou when we see each other.
We got to put that because wehold each other, we, you know,
and I do that Like I try to makeeverybody feel like they're my
best friend and all that's doneis to make sure and I treat
everybody with respect, whetherit's the hostess at the bar,
whether it's the owner of thebar, I treat everybody with the
(23:54):
same level of respect.
They all get a hey, how's itgoing, how was your day?
You know, they all get the samelevel of respect from me.
And I think for an introvert orfor anybody who's wanting to
break into a field.
If you act like that, peopleare going to want to be around
you and they're going to.
When they think ofopportunities to give somebody,
they're going to give it to youbecause you're a joy to be
(24:15):
around.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Has there ever been a situation where you're hosting
trivia or in your construction,you just anytime that you've
been in Orlando where you'vemade a fool out of yourself, got
embarrassed in some kind of way?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
All the time, tim, all the time I hosted a show,
they asked me to fill in for ashow and they're like hey, can
you fill in at this bar?
I got there, the mic did notwork and at a huge bar, it is
huge bar, so it's like perjuryrules terms like let's put at
the back of Buffalo Wildlings,right, okay?
(24:49):
So that's about the size of thetrivia show, and it was packed.
No seat was empty.
So I stood on the bar andyelled the questions because I
wasn't.
Everybody come to play triviaand the mic did not work.
I was 20 minutes outside ofOrlando so I couldn't run, get a
(25:10):
different mic and come back,you know.
So, like the trivia show had togo on.
So I literally stood on the barand yelled the answers the
entire time and you know thateverybody was like this was so
unique and so crazy.
Some people thought it wasterrible, you know, and then.
But some people thought it wasunique and fun and was just like
(25:32):
, surely, dude, that was soembarrassing having to stand on
a bar.
Admit that my mic did not work,that I brought, you know, and
so it was either sucking up, youknow, go home and pal, but
they'd pay me to do this man,they, they pay me to put on a
show, so I'm going to do it, nomatter what.
No matter what.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Have I ever told you the geography B story from from
grade school?
No no, okay.
So sixth grade we had ageography B.
I don't know why they decidedthat in sixth grade we were
going to have a geography B.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We went to the same sixth grade.
I know exactly I don't fit mygeography B.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So it's okay.
They had like this initial test.
Like hey, you know, I can'teven remember like top five, top
six from each class that doesgood on this geography test quiz
for the geography.
He's gotta be in the geographyB in front of the whole school,
right?
So quick side note geography islike my worst subject ever.
(26:37):
But I'm sitting behind DavidHornbeck and I just like I don't
know what possessed me, but Iwas like I'm gonna just cheat on
.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I'm gonna cheat on this little this geography quiz,
bro.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm going out there, I'm getting on this geography B
list, so obviously, cheat likeChina was one of the answers to
one of the questions.
I'm like, okay, cool, theycalled my name and it's time to
go out there for the geography.
Like.
This is like a week later orsomething and I'm out here, bro,
I'm telling you I don't knowanything about geography now I'd
(27:10):
probably still get waxed bysome sixth graders in geography.
But I go out there and they'vegot like this map, they've got
this globe and you're having toidentify these different things
in the geography B and I'm justclueless, bro, clueless.
So I just say I say China threetimes in a row and I just get
eliminated and have to sit downand that was like one of the
most embarrassing things ever.
(27:31):
I'm like dude, I put myself inthis position on purpose, it's
my own fault and still to thisday, it's just one of those
things that just kind of hauntme.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So you were know something like small world
moment.
I was in the same geography B.
I made it to and we were in thegym.
We were in the gymnasium.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yes, yeah, I was there.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was there, I was in it and got eliminated
immediately.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, immediately.
I think Western Weeks won thegeography B or something like
that.
But I'm just like dude, why didI care so much about being in
this thing?
Like I mean, obviously I wasn'tinterested in it because I
never took it really seriously.
But yeah, you're absolutelyright, nobody cares.
Nobody cares about it.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I was in Miss Stepford's class.
I don't know if you rememberMiss Stepford, but I was in Miss
Stepford's class here.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
For sure so.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, nobody cares.
You're right, though, nobodycares.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, so what are some lessons that you would say
that you have learned sincebeing in Florida?
Top things that you've learnedsince leaving home.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So it's OK to be scared Like so.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Dropping gems out here, already out the gate.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So what you're seeing now is I just moved into a
brand new house and it's a teamwith a two bedroom.
It's a two bedroom house, it'sbigger than I.
It's probably on the top sideof my budget of what I can
afford.
And I had to literally call mymom the other day because I was
scared, Dude, and I was like,not that, I was just what, if?
(29:18):
What if it all went away?
You know, and that's the firstthought, you know, when you do
something that's out of yourcomfort zone or you take a risk
on something, could it all goaway?
You know?
And then my mom looked at meand goes Jordan, you work so
hard that, no matter what, ifyou lost everything today,
you'll still be fine Because youknow you always find a way out
(29:40):
of it because of your work ethic, you know.
And so I was like, yeah.
Then I looked at myself and Iwas like, oh, I could afford
this place if I host five showsa week.
You know to be a show's a week,and I just, you know, I think
that's the interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
That's the interesting thing, Jordan.
Once you open your mind todifferent thoughts, you start to
you start thinking of ways tobe able to do that.
So like, if you want to make ahundred thousand dollars.
You probably never thoughtabout that before, but once you
start thinking about it everyday, your mind starts saying OK,
how can we make this happen?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You figure out a way.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Like you exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
You figure a way out, and yet you're exactly right to
have it.
And so that was Be OK, to bescared in that moment, because
they never know who you're goingto talk to and they might open
up something you know in yourmind.
And I'm like man, I just didn'teven think about that because I
was so freaked out in themoment that the most logical
answer never came to my head,you know.
(30:31):
So that was one of the biggestlessons of here moving to
Florida Like I've never, alwayswent in with just kind of a bull
in a China shop, rhinoceros,forward energy and being
retrospective one time and beingscared.
My mom dropped a huge jam on me.
That just was not expecting,you know.
And the second thing is is youcontrol how you treat everybody
(30:57):
around you.
So if you're not liked, oryou're people don't like you or
people you know are standoffishtowards you, it's because of you
, it's not because of anybodyelse around you.
And I just I think that a lotof people today Are upset with
the current situations.
They think people don't likethem and it's like man, if you
(31:19):
would just take a second andjust literally from the time,
from wherever you walk intosomebody I said that earlier to
them.
And if you just treat everybodywith warm and welcoming embrace
and remember their names andtalk to them and just do the
bare minimum man, your life'sgoing to open up.
Because I'll tell you this,I've made OK Money in Arkansas
(31:43):
from time to time.
But like I hosted a trivia showand one client that I just he
she came in.
We started having a good time.
I started giving their teamhell a little bit.
We had fun at the end of theday.
She asked me what I do.
I said construction.
I told me you had a phone callabout it.
I was like Kevin, you will notbelieve the cat that check those
(32:05):
cash from one person and Ididn't even know it just had 10
days ago.
You know to the point wherewe're sitting there and she's
handed me over as much businessas I can handle because she
loved the way that I was nice toeverybody in the bar.
She was like oh yeah, I want towork with that guy.
So everybody's watching.
Everybody's watching how youtreat people.
(32:27):
But everybody is also worriedabout themselves.
So don't take yourself tooseriously.
And it's OK to get scared,that's yeah.
Those are my like kind oflessons that I would teach
somebody.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Absolutely, man, and those are powerful lessons that
I know a lot of people are goingto get a value out of.
So I've got a question that I'mgoing to start asking my guests
and do you think in 2024 thatcollege is overrated?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Can I answer yes and no?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, and I want to hear why.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
OK For the traditional education?
Yes, I think so.
Yes, but what I've learned frommy time in college was there
was a lot of times where Ilearned critical thinking skills
.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
That helped me today a lot, and so I don't think that
, see, see now you're soundinglike a politician now, because I
think that you would have beenthe same.
You're knowing with or withoutcollege Maybe, and you're
probably right, you're probablyright.
The time that you spent inOrlando, those four years.
You know now it's 25, 24.
(33:35):
So 2020 is when you were stillhere, Rock with me and Jonesboro
.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
The same four years would have been some the same
amount of time someone wouldhave spent getting an
undergraduate degree.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, this life experience going out here, being
in the field, shaking hands,learning that networking is
powerful, how you treat people,respect.
It's OK to be scared.
Those are things that I didn'tlearn in college.
I don't know if you did.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, no, I didn't.
I didn't.
No, no, no, no, no, I didn't dothat.
But I just think, like man,there's, there's some things
that I didn't like.
I learned how to be, and Idon't know if it's now this way
it is, but there is just there'sso many more ideas out there
than than yours, and I thinkthat's, but I don't think I
needed to pay 50 grand to learnthat, you know.
(34:21):
That's why I say that.
But just, I think it isimportant to learn.
There's a lot of skills thatyou can learn.
They're not, you know,education based.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
But let me ask you this, then Let me ask you this
Because your answer was yes andno.
So you're trying to play thefence over it.
So I'm giving a definitiveanswer here.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I'm going to say no, then no.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
So OK, so lovely.
I'm still challenging you Allright.
So do you think that, with theway that technology is, the
internet is you know we live inthe most information at the your
fingertips era that I thinkwe've ever lived in?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Do you not think that a lot of those, the same things
that you would learn by payingsomebody?
Like if I paid $50,000 outsideof college, like if I just had
50 K and I could just spend iton education, learning the
things that I wanted to learn,and you know this, and that
marketing, whatever it is, Icould use it better than going
to organized school?
So that was the basically thething.
(35:19):
Like if someone gave me a$50,000 alone, it was like, ok,
you can get all the educationyou want.
It wouldn't be in the capacityof school, it'd be you know
courses, it'd be.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I got 50,000.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So now I can afford to do like a nonpaid internship.
If I have 50 K, I'm like I cango work under that carpenter for
free or whatever, not have toworry about bills, versus like
that's just going towardstuition and I'm still having to
work in college and I get it,there's still a place for
college.
Because I think that there arecertain degrees that obviously I
(35:53):
want my educators, I want mydoctors, I want all these people
to be certified and educated.
But I mean, like can we startshedding some light on?
An art degree probably isn'tthe best thing for an artist,
you know.
An exercise science degree?
That's not something thatpeople are.
If you're a good personaltrainer and I can see like okay,
jordan's jacked.
(36:14):
He obviously knows how he gotjacked, I'm not asking for your
credentials.
If you're my personal traineror my personal chef, you know
what I mean.
Like you can throw that in thekitchen.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You're 100% right.
So I say that too.
I wanted to try to like.
I do toe the line of there aresome skills, but like there's a
guy on Instagram I don't knowhis name is David Meltzer.
I don't know if you've everfought him in, but he taught me
nine, like 9,000% more ofbusiness and gratitude and
(36:47):
things like that than I'd everdid learning college, and he
would.
He would gladly take my $50,000and I probably would have made
it a whole lot more.
So, yeah, I do.
I'm like you my lawyers, myteachers, my doctors.
I do want them to do school, Iwant them to be certified, I
want them to be the best of thebest.
But, man, there's so many waysto to get around the bases at
(37:09):
this point, you know you don'thave to go to the traditional
power, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, yeah.
You used to use to have to gofirst, second, third home.
You know nothing.
You don't have to do thatanymore.
You can go anywhere with whereyou want to.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, and I think that it's because that there's so
much more opportunity, access toinformation and a lot of things
, that before you know, if youwanted to know X, you couldn't
just go to the internet, youcouldn't ask Google or chat GBT
or all of these things Like.
There's opportunities, like ifI want to learn coding, I can
learn coding just directly.
(37:44):
I can go to these websites likeUdemy and Skillshare and all of
these things where people haveput in time to make these
courses and, you know, insteadof giving it to this university,
I can give it to someone that'sworked hard and created this,
this platform, and learn thingsthat way and get to choose at
like a lot lower clip as far asthe financial compensation.
(38:07):
So I'm just to the point where,like I get it.
Higher education has its placeand it always will.
But for the people that don'treally know what they want to do
, I wish that there was lessfunneling them into just kind of
making this rash life decisionat 18.
(38:28):
Then, like, hey, maybe youshould check out a trade school,
maybe you should just work, ormaybe you should read these 10
books or you know, whatever itis, because I suffer from that
type of education, where I wentthrough this entire game of you
know game of life, or 12th grade.
(38:49):
Now I'm a freshman in collegeand now I'm in, and you know
what I felt after I graduated?
I felt like empty, because Ifelt like I was at the end of
the rope, and then I didn't getwhat they promised me.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I didn't get a job.
You know, like the job that youdidn't get, exactly, you didn't
get the end of the rainbow andlook, look, look, everybody look
at me dead in the face.
If you want to go be a plumber,go be a plumber Like, because I
pay plumbers so much moneybeing in the construction world
right now like plumbers,electricians, and those guys are
(39:19):
going away.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Those are trades man.
Those are trades that you don'thave to go to college and get a
degree.
You can go straight to a tradeschool.
For a fifth of the cost, like10K.
You can be a plumber.
You can be an electrician, youcan do all of these things and
those are the backbone and whichour society is built on, and I
absolutely like I promise you ifI can go back, or I'm having to
(39:44):
give you the heating and airguy I'm having to give the
electrician, I'm starting my ownbusiness because one you're
still owning your own businessin a sense to where you get to
control your own time, to whereI can do more of these things.
Or, you know, if I go back,maybe, now that I know myself a
little bit better, I value Iknow that I value that time off
and being able to be with myparents Maybe I do go to the
(40:06):
route of becoming a teacherbecause like, okay, I'm off in
the summer, I'm not gonna coach.
I've seen how people go down thecoaching road and you're
basically you don't have anytime off of your coach.
Maybe I'm just having thefourth grade science teacher and
I'm off on Martin Luther KingDay, and I'm off on spring break
and I'm off on Christmasmorning in the summer.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
And that's a pretty good life, and that's a pretty
good yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And guess what?
I'm still podcasting during thesummer, I'm still doing all
these things that I get to love.
Maybe I got a gardener, I don'tknow.
But now that I'm starting, tofigure out, like what I know a
little bit more about myself now.
Then I did at 18 when I wasjust kind of just fed.
This is the next thing that youdo and you're almost kind of
penalized when you don't knowwhat you and props to the people
(40:48):
like.
If you're 18 and you knewexactly what you want to do like
you were in the minority, Ipromise you, because a lot of us
were still chasing ourex-girlfriend.
That broke our heart from threeyears ago and all that.
Like our brains weren't fullydeveloped to even kind of make
those decisions and here I amsigning this fast for 20 KS a
(41:12):
semester and I'm like, yeah,sure, that's fine and not really
knowing the ramifications ofwhat I was getting myself into.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Right, nah, I'm just saying 100%, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So but yeah, man, I appreciate you taking the time
to sit down and kind of talkabout what you've been doing,
Cause you're a prime example ofyou can switch it up and you can
be happier and you can keepevolving into something that
you're not done yet.
You're still in transition,You're still moving through the
journey and that's the best partto be able to know where you
(41:47):
want to go.
But enjoy the ride, Enjoy theride, experience things.
Stop to smell the roses, theflowers, meet the people along
the way.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely, and what likethis.
I told you when you firststarted this it's a genius idea,
so keep it going.
I love you and thanks forhaving me on.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Absolutely.
Yeah, this has been anotherepisode of the Clever Angle
podcast.
Thanks again to our host,jordan, for taking the time to
sit down with us.
Follow us on all socials.
At the Clever Angle, subscribeon YouTube if you're listening
on there or watching on there,and until next time, peace,
peace out.
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