#49 From the Badge to Buildings: Embracing Change and New Beginnings in Property Management and Life
February 1, 2024 • 56 mins
When life throws you curveballs, how do you catch them and toss them back? My neighbor and dear friend Patrick Patterson joins me in a heartfelt conversation that reveals just that—the resilience required to navigate life's transitions, from law enforcement to the dynamic world of real estate. As a new real estate agent and property manager, Patrick reflects on fatherhood, personal growth, and the ways in which his past fears have shaped his dedication to being a present and supportive family man. Together, we delve into the importance of friendship and continuous learning, sharing laughs and wisdom gleaned from our book club discussions.
Embrace the courage it takes to redefine one's identity, a topic Patrick knows intimately. He recounts the poignant decision to leave his career in law enforcement, the financial hardships faced during the transition, and the emotional toll of striving for stability while being a new dad. Our conversation takes a deep dive into how the value of time becomes ever more apparent when raising children and the pivotal role a supportive partner plays in weathering the storms of life. We also illuminate the balancing act of personal development, from embracing mental health support to finding joy in the simple mastery of cooking a new dish.
Ending on a note of inspiration, Patrick offers up a treasure trove of advice for those intrigued by the real estate and property management world. He shares his journey of education, from a non-traditional college experience to the hands-on knowledge acquired in home construction, underscoring the importance of practical learning in achieving professional milestones. The discussion rounds out with insights into the commercial real estate market, the daily life of property management, and the fulfillment found in creating successful, satisfied tenant relationships. This episode is a testament to the power of friendship, the relentless pursuit of passion, and the unwavering commitment to personal growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Thank you to everybody for your continued
support on the show.
I wanted to take the time topersonally thank everyone that's
listened to the show and I hopeyou enjoy today's episode.
Until next time, peace, andwe're back with another episode
of the Clever Angle podcast.
Today I have a very specialguest, one of my best friends,
one of my groomsmen, my neighbor, even I have Patrick Patterson.
(00:22):
He is a real estate agent and aproperty manager and he's one
of my best friends.
Patrick, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man, I'm doing good.
How are you?
I'm good man.
Do you like that intro?
I like the intro a lot.
You're one of my best friends,man.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I appreciate that, and I don't say that lightly.
As you get older, you start torealize that your pool of
friends shrink significantly.
So I really appreciate the bondthat we've been able to
maintain over the time thatwe've known each other.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So I agree.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm excited to have you on because we are talking
about one of my favoritesubjects, which is real estate,
property management somethingthat I've always been kind of
curious about, the kind of theends and the outs and we get to
talk about you, your upbringing,your opinion on college, the
job market.
We're going to get into all ofthat today.
(01:16):
So, patrick, let's just startoff with what are some things
that you've been up to.
Man, how's the family?
How's?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
your life.
What's new with PatrickFamily's good man Family's good,
got the four-year-old who'sabout to turn five, got the
cheer competitions?
Our daughters are obviously onthe same team and so we get to
do the cheer competitions often,and Courtney's in the midst of
(01:44):
school rocking it out.
I'm in the midst of gettingstarted on this, being a real
estate agent thing and stillmanaging the properties we got,
so I'm just trying to navigatethe new waters man, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So I just got a quick question for you.
We're both kind of in the samestage of life.
Which one is more difficult inyour opinion becoming a father
or marriage For me?
Yeah, for you.
It was becoming a father, youelaborate a little bit.
(02:21):
You don't have to get anythingtoo deep.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
No, it's good, it's good, it's good.
My biological father was notthe best father.
He struggled a lot so I did nothave a relationship with him
and so I never thought I wouldhave kids or really wanted to
have kids, because of my fear ofkind of recreating that.
And so when we found outCourtney was pregnant, it was a
(02:47):
big, big mentor, cool obstaclefor me to kind of get through,
to accept fatherhood and toaccept that I can be a good
father.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, patrick, I don't know if you hear this
often, but you are a heck of afather and good husband and
you're a great friend brother.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I appreciate the gas man.
Thanks, no problem man.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We are here to gas you up.
We are here to talk abouteverything, patrick Patterson,
so would you just give a just abrief introduction of who you
are, what you do and what we'rekind of going to be talking
about, which is your career?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
My name is Patrick Patterson, married with one kid,
29 years old, turning 30 thisyear.
I am a property manager with myfamily company, Vincander
Reynolds, and I manage mostlycommercial but also residential
property.
We got about a little over 40doors, I believe, and I just
(03:45):
recently kind of started on thispath of got my real estate
license and now I'm a realestate agent with Century 21
portfolio here in Jonesboro andbeen doing that for a couple
months now.
I got my first listingrepresenting a buyer on some
things and I'm kind of rollingin that arena now too.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
No, that's really cool man.
And, like I said, real estateand investing and things like
that is something that I've kindof got like a book club with
some of my friends, so my buddyAK and my brother and then you
two, we'll throw you in there aswell.
We like to read books, we liketo talk about them.
You and me both readessentialism, and now there is
(04:28):
another book that we're readingI will teach you to be rich is
the book that we're reading.
So, like every Monday, me andmy brother and my friend AK will
kind of discuss what's beengoing on in our week, what we're
learning and that sort of thing.
So we usually do it Mondaymorning and kind of check in.
So what would you say is one ofthe things that you have been
(04:51):
working on goal wise in 2024 sofar?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I'm really trying to put in my time.
For the last four years or soI've been working hard with this
education, kind of learning theins and outs of real estate and
kind of how to get involved ininvesting, managing property
efficiently, getting good atthat.
Now I'm getting into thetransactional side of real
estate and I'm really trying toget my experience in, get my
(05:17):
reps in there, so I can become amore well rounded real estate
just in the industry, not even areal estate agent, but just
completely in the industry, beable to know it all, do it all.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
When you say know it all.
So what are some of the?
What else is there in theindustry?
So obviously I'll just kind oftell you what I know about real
estate.
So I mean, it's just very basicbuying and selling houses.
I know that there's some kindof relationship with a broker.
That's about it.
(05:51):
As far as I know, as the workside of real estate, I know that
there's different things thatyou can do, like flipping houses
and different types of loans.
So when you say know it all,what does that mean?
What does all of that entail?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
That really entails not just the buying and selling
real estate, that's like thetransactional side of real
estate but then you got runningthose properties, being able to
fix those properties, being ableto develop them, like if you're
just purchasing raw land, beingable to develop and put on
multi-family or put in a singlefamily or put in commercial or
(06:32):
all the way up from dirt rawland, leveling it, putting a
building on it, putting peoplein it if you want to rent it out
, selling it, fixing it.
All that is kind of where I'mtrying to get to is being able
to just completely get all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's so interesting because I was kind of having
this conversation earlier and alot of industries, a lot of
things, a lot of businesses aremultifaceted.
So if you have a restaurant,for example, you were going to
get the food from somewhere, butsomebody else is going to do
the landscaping, someone else isgoing to maybe provide the
plates that you use, there's allthese facets that come together
(07:14):
to be able to have a restaurantor any type of business.
So that's just interesting.
That real estate is the sameway you said from the
development side to the buildingside, to the renting it out,
there's a lot of moving partsthat you want to be able to
master, to kind of get yourhands around all of that.
So before we get into kind ofyour day-to-day what you're
(07:34):
doing, I like to go back, I liketo hear your story.
So can you tell me a little bitabout what it was like growing
up and was real estate even onyour mind when you were like a
kid, 15, 16 years old?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I wanted to be a police officer.
My adopted dad was a policeofficer.
He was a great one, he is agreat one, and so that's all I
really ever wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So you wanted to be a police officer, and when did
that kind of change?
Did you ever become a policeofficer, or how did you get from
?
That's what you wanted to be,to kind of pursue in the
property management and realestate side of things.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, so I did.
I worked pretty hard and startedoff in dispatch and went to the
jail, then marked my way up totransport and then eventually on
patrol and I got to do a littlebit of time on patrol and I got
to live that.
And what changed was in 2019,when we found out Courtney was
pregnant with Carter.
(08:38):
It was like I was sayingearlier in the podcast it was a
big mental leap and I had tomake an adjustment to come to
terms with being a father, andat that time I started dealing
with some little stomach stufftoo that I'd never really dealt
with before, and so there wasjust like a totality of all
(08:58):
these situations happening thatkind of led to this I guess for
lack of a better term like kindof mental breakdown a little bit
.
I did only a lot of panicattacks, anxieties and stuff
like that.
So I ended up deciding that thebest thing to do would be to
(09:18):
leave that life behind me andfocus on accepting, becoming a
parent and being a good parentand kind of finding a new
identity.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
How long were you in that career before you decided
to switch?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Four to five years maybe.
Yeah, four to five years.
I started in dispatch in Texasand Did that and then when we
moved back to Cabot I started inthe jail at Lonoh County and,
you know, made my way up to thetransport side of things and I
(10:00):
did.
I did a little time on thepatrol side.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, and I really admire you for that, because you
know there's a lot of peoplethat have like this dream job
Look when they're kids and a lotof us don't really get to.
It's either changes or we don'tget to do it.
You know, when I was in eighthgrade I wanted to be a starting
point guard for the DetroitPistons.
Obviously that didn't happen,so still time yeah.
(10:25):
So what was it like, man?
What was it like Wanting to dothis, wanting to emulate, like
your dad?
You know, for a lot of us, ourdads are our first heroes.
You know what I mean.
So what was it like when youactually got to Be in law
enforcement like was it like asurreal moment.
What did it feel like yourdream job?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yes, like broadly yes .
So I got to, luckily, my dad Iworked for the county, my dad
worked for the city and so Iactually got to hang out my dad
quite a bit on some things, andthat was that was a.
That was like a good check off.
The box is just being able todo some stuff with my dad, and
(11:09):
it was in terms of helpingpeople, like that's all I've
ever watched my dad do, that'sever.
All I've ever wanted to do wasjust help people and I enjoy
that, and so being able to helppeople was awesome.
But then you know, there's theother side of it where it's like
there's some people that end upnot being able to be helped,
(11:30):
and then there's, you know, youend up having to arrest some
people and you see that side ofit too, and that kind of it puts
a damper on your opinion ofsociety.
I guess and you know, if you'renot careful, it can it can it
can completely change yourperspective on society.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah it's.
It's so cool because I didn'treally get that.
I really I didn't know thatbefore that there was some time
that you got to be in uniformand get to do some things with
your dad, and that's somethingthat I've got to experience with
my brother as well, that youknow, me and my brother and my
dad have all worked for the samecompany for the last five or
six years, so that's somethingthat I never would have thought
(12:08):
would that would have been on mybucket list.
But now, just being able tointeract with them in a
Different way, because you know,when you're growing up and your
dad is in in the house and overyou, like there's just a
certain type of relationship andGetting to see him in a
different light and getting tosee him around his friends and,
you know, getting to have thatMature relationship with
(12:34):
something I always treasure, youknow so, and seeing him, like I
bet seeing it like cuz.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean getting to see you grow up.
You look up to your dad and allof his friends and then you
find yourself like become.
I guess you could say like thatrespect Did like almost appear,
yeah, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean there's, there's guys that I've
legitimately known For 25 to 30years and you know they've
always known me as like, justlike a little kid.
You know little Tevin, exactly,and, and you know, there was
this this time, this past week Iwas talking to one of my dad's
friends.
We got a chance to work together.
His names Eric and we were.
(13:11):
We were doing a lot of work,eric and we were.
We were doing a reset in astore and you know he told me
how old he was and I was likedude, how are you like just now
out of your 40s, when Ilegitimately have known you my
whole life?
You know what I mean.
So it was kind of one of thosefull circle moments that I'm
like man, like this person hasbeen one of those people that
(13:33):
has legitimately seen me grow upand now it's kind of kind of
come full circle.
But yeah, so that's somethingthat we share and I and that's
cool to get to, to kind of getto talk about that on this
podcast.
But going back to you and yourjourney, so you said you kind of
(13:53):
had to find a new identity.
What did that process look likefor you?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It looked rough like, especially at the time I was
dealing with a lot of likemental stuff, and so you know,
there's this like phrase likeretraining your brain and stuff
like that.
It was a lot of that.
I started this program, uh,where I was pretty much locked
in my office while my wife waspregnant for about Three to four
hours a day, when I'd get offof work and so spend most of the
(14:20):
evening in my office Likeworking on this program to try,
and you know, change my thoughtprocesses and kind of accept
being a father and um, you know,then it led to all right, the
realization that we need toleave when we were living at the
time and move to a differentarea which would end up becoming
(14:41):
jonesboro.
Um, that was kind of moresupportive and uh, so we, when
we moved to jonesboro, I startedworking at a factory At night.
Where did you work?
At?
Hytro?
Really, hytro was my, hytro wasmy first uh like job.
As soon as I got to, um, as soonas I got to jonesboro and
(15:05):
courtney was still pregnant, shewas like seven to eight months
pregnant and she had to stay andfinish her contract in
jacksonville, so she was at homealone in the house that we
owned two dogs, her being sevenmonths pregnant.
I had sold everything in thehouse and uh yeah, and so you
(15:30):
know, pregnant, two dogs alonein this house, I just sold
everything, uh, to kind of likeget ourselves.
We had gotten ourselves intocrazy debt from being young and
so Sold everything to kind oftake away that debt and just get
a fresh start.
And I moved here, lived with myfamily and worked nights at
hytrol and um.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What all did you sell and how long were you working
at hytrol for?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I so.
So I only worked at hytrol formaybe three to six months and I
sold couches, recliners,dressers, washer dryer,
everything.
Uh, washer dryer came closer tothe end when courtney moves,
but, like she, there was noliving room furniture.
She pretty much just had a bedand, um, yeah, I just I sold
(16:20):
everything else that we had,besides, of course, carters, you
know, nursery stuff that we hadbuilding up, but everything
else personal I sold, and, uh,she's a saint for riding through
that with me.
Uh, because it was like, I mean,it was that time, that nine
months of her being pregnant andthen the three to six months
after that was probably thedarkest time of my life, I'd say
(16:43):
in terms of just like when,especially going through the
mental stuff that I had, which,hindsight 2020, ended up being
great.
But like Working at hytrol, youknow, especially the midnight
shift, I'm a very much asunlight positive Person, and
then, on top of that, I lovetalking to people, and you can't
do that when you're working athytrol at nights.
(17:04):
You have to have your earbudsin, you're just doing your thing
, and so it was a lot of timewhere I was just trapped with my
own thoughts, which I hated atthat time I couldn't stand, and
so it was necessary like it wasa necessary time that God put me
in for a reason Because Ineeded to be trapped with my
thoughts.
I needed to be with my thoughtsand be able to process things
(17:27):
myself.
But it was something I justcouldn't stand, and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So what did it look like when quartney finally got
there and then you guys hadcarter?
What did that next chapter looklike?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
for you.
It was a.
It was a crazy cool chapter.
I'd gotten, I'd gotten enoughmoney to get us an apartment,
and it was.
She moved here.
She was going to get induced ona monday.
She moved here that saturday.
And so that saturday she movedhere on monday.
We had to move, we had to driveall the way back to little rock
to be at the hospital so shecould get birth and get induced.
(17:57):
And she gave birth and by thistime I'd already like kind of
Been in a much better mindsetabout being a father.
So it was pure excitement andfear.
You know the normal stuff thatyou're supposed to fear, feel.
And Just when I saw her thefirst time, dude, that's, I mean
, you know, that's wheneverything just changes.
(18:20):
It's no longer a question mark.
It's like you see your purposeright there and everything else,
nothing, nothing matters atthat point.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, you really don't understand until you have
kids how much they really changeyour life.
They change your, the thingsthat you want to do, that.
They change the, the psychologyof how you spend your money.
They change how you see yourwife like man.
Like my wife went through thisexperience and was able to Give
birth to this perfect littlehuman.
(18:52):
That that is just an absolutejoy and, you wonder, wonderful
add to our lives and stuff.
So, um, yeah, I absolutely getit like.
Being a father is one of themost influential, magical times
of my life and you know, I'vebeen blessed to have two little
girls.
So you give birth to Carter,you're in a better headspace.
(19:15):
What is that looking like forwork?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
for you at this time.
So at that point I kind ofswitched gears and started
working for Ritter, a littleright before, right before she
moved down, and uh, worked forRitter communications, which
that was more kind of what I wasused to like.
I had my own work truck and Iwas kind of running my routes
and installing internet andcable and that's, you know, with
(19:39):
law enforcement before that.
And then I worked at AT&Tbefore I did law enforcement in
texas like just having that thatwas my normal and so I got to
enjoy that.
Um, when Carter was born andCourtney was able to be with
Carter and we stayed in thislittle apartment that we had and
uh, it was hard financiallybecause I wasn't getting paid a
(20:00):
ton of money.
Were you in Jonesboro, were you?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was in Brooklyn, um , I was in the witton creek
apartments in Brooklyn and um,working for Ritter installing,
you know, internet and uh, yeah,it was.
It was rough financially but itwas like it was cool because it
was me and Courtney the firsttime alone with our kid, and it
(20:26):
was, it was a surreal adjustment.
I, like a lot of Courtney'skind of a badass is a badass.
There's just no doubt aboutexcuse my language To the, you
know, staying up with a kidletting me, you know, graciously
letting me sleep so I could beup for work the next morning.
And you know it was a, it was acool time.
(20:46):
I honestly, I look back on itand it's very Like flashing
memories.
I don't have very vividmemories at that time because it
was such a Transition time forus, you know those just it's
heavy.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's so interesting because I am a firm believer
that, like during those time,during that time when your kids
little and you know you're goingthrough all the things for the
first time, you're sleepdeprived, you know they're
crying, breastfeeding, all thesethings, like you really just
look up and then it's over.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, you know from surviving, and the next thing
you know, it's like you'reconscious again.
It's like, okay, how long was Iout for?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
exactly, exactly it's just weird because I mean, time
just passes by so differentlyas you get older and then you
know you really start to want itto slow down.
Yeah, you really do, especiallywhen it comes to your kids
learning and doing things likemy.
Ilari came home and she hadhomework today in kindergarten.
I'm just like we're helping ourkid with homework in
(21:49):
kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a surreal thing they
even even think about, because Imean, I still feel like a kid
and a lot of aspects of my lifeand still look to my parents for
guidance for Pretty mucheverything you know.
So we're just kind of in thatweird Transitional phase where
we're still figuring things out.
You know, we've got parentsthat are getting older, we got
(22:11):
kids that are growing up, we'vegot Friendships that we're still
hanging on to, trying to make apriority, and it's just a a
wild, wild time in our lives.
So you, you're moving toJonesburg like you're, you're
working at Ritter.
How, when does this start tothis thought process start to to
(22:34):
change from I'm just doingthese jobs to kind of survive,
what I'm used to, you know,getting back into to something
that's comfortable to?
I want to find my passion.
I want to find something that Iwant to do, like, when does you
go into school?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
coming to this, so During that time job wise,
career wise I was doing whatever, got the bills paid and just
focusing on my wife, my daughterand like myself personally.
So focusing on the home life,getting that healthy, getting my
mental state healthy and thenonce I felt like I was good
(23:10):
there, that's when thisopportunity opened up.
Courtney was working at aschool.
This opportunity were opened upfor me to go and work there and
have a more stable position andIT that was gonna offer me a
pretty big raise if I got mydegree that they would let me
work through.
I was there and it was asignificant pay cut To do it.
(23:33):
But my wife and my family werelike this is it like you've been
?
You've been.
I never thought in a millionyears I'd get my degree and
teachers would agree that I'll.
And so when the opportunitypresented itself, my family was
like you've got to do it.
You know We'll support you.
You can move in with us, bringyour wife and your daughter move
(23:55):
in with us in our house, workon this, get your degree and
Find your, find your identity,find your passion, stick with it
and, you know, do what you do.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So when this is all happening, I'm sure there's like
a flood of emotions that isgoing through you right now.
I believe it happened in twodays actually.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I was, I was at work and it was right before
Thanksgiving and and it was I'dgotten a phone call saying that
they were gonna offer me the joband that they could only pay me
this very little Amount but thepossibility of getting double
that.
Once I got my degree and Icalled my wife, she was like
(24:37):
that's, that's hard, we can't dothat.
I called my aunt.
She's like that's an extremelyhard thing to do.
Let me call you back, I'd say.
Eight hours later Maybe, shecalled me and she's like look,
here's the deal.
We're gonna Offer you thisopportunity.
You can take it if you want.
It's up to you, courtney Carter, you can come in here, move in
(25:02):
with us, focus on your debt,focus on your job.
You have to be in school, youhave to get your degree, you
know and get it together.
I mean like that's howsupportive they were.
It was just a matter of boom.
As soon as the opportunitypresented itself and it seemed
like it had good futurepotential, it just my family
kicked into gear.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, what was that like, that conversation like
between you and Courtney, whenthis is happening, because I'm
picturing myself in the samesituation and I'm Proudful to a
fault which I know is, you know,can be my a detriment at times,
but I, I don't know if I canmentally Move myself in with
(25:48):
like family, like, except like Ijust have I just have a hard
time accepting help.
You know what I mean.
So what was that like when you,you sat down with your wife and
you had the conversation ofthis is what we're gonna do.
It's gonna help us in the longrun.
We're you know, obviously itworked out Like what did that
(26:09):
look like it?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
was a.
It was a difficult one, butit's like we both knew in our
stomachs that it was the rightone.
Me and Courtney had At thispoint.
We were used to just frequentchange.
We were moving every year.
It was.
We were just used to justfrequent instability, and I'm a
big risk-taker in general, so Ikind of fly the seat of my pants
.
(26:31):
It was a a task to kind of knockmyself off that independency
pedestal and admit thatTruthfully, I failed being being
an adult from 18 to 22 orwhatever it was, when I moved in
with them.
During that time I failed asbeing an independent adult and
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if I Wanted to not continue tofail, if I wanted to get better,
I had to knock myself off ofthat pedestal, accept
accountability and Kind of justrelearn, like I'd already kind
of luckily I'd already done alot of work on kind of breaking
myself down with the wholemental stuff that I was going
through.
That it was.
(27:16):
It was easier for me to likeoutside, looking in, to be like
Patrick, you need this.
This is, this is unique.
This is something that's being,this is something that's being
presented to you.
That's a good opportunity foryou to continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You keep making references to Getting your
mental Stability right.
What did that entail?
Did you go to therapy oranything, or is it like a book
or something you read or likewhat was it that kind of pulled
you out of that, that dark placeso?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
There was a.
There was levels, layers to it,for sure, but the one there was
like a Dennis Simpsack is hisname and he used to be a, you
know, tennis professional tennisplayer had just you know and
then he ended up suffering.
He ended up having to deal withsome pretty crazy performance
anxiety, health anxiety, stuff.
(28:11):
Anyway, he ended up becominglike this making this digital
program.
That was very holistic and thatwas kind of the program that I
needed because, you know, myfamily history has a lot to do
with prescription abuse and sobeing on medicine was just not
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something for me mentally that Icould do, and so I needed a
more holistic approach, and sohe offered that and I dedicated
myself to his program.
His program was incredible andthen, through that came therapy,
through that came books,through that came an incredible.
(28:52):
My wife, courtney, was anincredible support from day one.
When I told her that I wantedto do this program, she was like
as long as you stick with it,go for it.
And and so, yeah, I've stillgot all the books you know to
this day that I still like toreread every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Okay.
So now you've made the decisionYou're you're gonna go to
school.
How did you pick what youwanted to do, and didn't matter
what degree you got for the show?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, they, I think they wanted me to do because it
was an IT job.
They wanted me to do somethingIT related and they Wanted me to
be there forever.
They were a tight-knit groupwho had all been there for many,
many years and they were kindof letting this newbie come in
and hoping that I would be thereforever too.
I, unfortunately, I knew when Iwas getting in there this was
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not forever for me.
This was kind of a steppingstone, and so I took it as an
opportunity when I got there, tofind the degree that I wanted
to do, which ended up beingbusiness administration, and
then kind of just invest andfocus on that.
How?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
long were you at the IT job before you decided to
move on to something else?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
A year and a half, maybe two.
Yeah, maybe two.
It's like right at right whenCOVID started.
I think the second semester ofCOVID is when I quit, maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay, so just tell me about that.
So you started this schooljourney into like originally
hopes of getting more pay atthis IT job.
Obviously, it's four years toget a degree.
You're about halfway throughyour degree at this point when
you decide to leave that job.
What did that look like?
What did that last two yearslook like for you?
(30:42):
You're still in school, andthen what did your next
adventure look like?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It looked good.
I mean honestly by that time,by the two years in, it had
switched from those generaleducation like where I messed up
because I didn't pay attentionmuch in high school.
I wasn't a great student and soI had to relearn a lot of those
things that you learned in highschool the first two years and
then after that it was all mygood elective dependent, like
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all the stuff that was likedegree related, and that stuff
lit a fire in me because it hadeverything to do with business
and real estate and so it waseasy to go to work and do my
school work because it waseverything that.
It was what I was wanting to do.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So what were you currently working at when you
kind of got into that groove ofall right school starting to pay
off?
I'm learning the things that Iwant to learn, and where were
you at in your career journeythen?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So right when January 2020 is kind of when I January
2020 is when I left the schooldistrict and we had just started
a retail store and so havingthat business, starting that
business off running is I waskind of taking all those things
(32:04):
that I was learning in schooland applying them either same
day or day later and you know,it was really kind of just
experience with education rightoff the bat.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
So you're a non-traditional student at this
point because obviously you'repast 18.
It's not like straight fromhigh school to college, the
college to live up to the heightfor you.
Like you know, I think when Iwas going into college I had a
preconceived notion of what itwas going to be like, how, the
things that I was going to learn, and I ended up coming out with
(32:38):
a different perspective that Iwent in with Two years in.
You know, you kind of had adelayed experience.
What was that collegeexperience like for you?
For?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
me it was hybrid and so it was like sometimes it was
on Zoom, sometimes it was justonline, I think once or twice I
went into a classroom tutoring Idid in some classes and stuff
like that, and so it was likethe one thing that I missed out
of the traditional educationthat you know everybody
(33:10):
typically gets is just thecamaraderie, the networking that
you get, the friendships thatyou gain.
I didn't get that.
I got a lot of.
I got a lot of the retention ofknowledge.
That was the cool part.
That was kind of the takeaway isbecause I was working in
business at the time when I'dlearned something like I said
(33:31):
I'd apply it pretty quickly andso, and then once you apply
something right after you learnit, it's typically it's retained
in there and so it was good forme.
But then there's like that 20,23 year old young man and it's
like I'm in college, I'msupposed to be, even though I
was a little older, it's still.
It was like that young man andme fighting like dude, you're
supposed to be having some fun,but really I was grown married
(33:54):
with a kid, so you know, had tokind of put all that to the side
.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's just.
It's interesting so at thispoint when you're in college,
about you know, going into yearthree, almost did you know you
wanted to do real estate then,yeah, and I knew.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So I knew, as soon as I started my real estate degree
I had a class on.
I had a class on like appraisaland investing and stuff like
that.
And that's when it kind ofclicked, because I had gotten
into the bigger pocket stuffsome years before when I first
got into police, because being apolice officer they don't pay
you very much at all, and sothere's, you always have to have
(34:34):
some kind of side gig, and sothat was kind of what I was
looking at, towards my side gig.
But it was kind of one of thosethings that maybe I will, maybe
I won't ever achieve it.
And then when I started mydegree program and I took that
class, I was like, oh, I can dothis, I can do this and I think
I can be kind of good at it if Ireally just like put my time
into it, because I did have a, Ihave a love and a knack for
(34:57):
people and I also feel confidentin my ability to understand
real estate.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So did you at this point?
Did you still want it to be aside gig or is this something
that you ever planned on doingfull time?
And the reason I asked that isbecause, if it was going to be a
side gig for you, explain to mewhy you just went ahead and got
the four year degree, becauseyou don't have to have a degree
to be an agent, right?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
No, yeah, no, you don't.
You don't have to have a degreeto invest or be an agent or
anything like that.
The degree, finishing thedegree, came from this like
inner fire.
You know not many people in myfamily, especially in my direct
family, my immediate family theydidn't have their bachelor's
degrees.
I became the first.
(35:48):
That was a big motivator and youhad you know, like you were
talking about that pride thatit's in you you know, most of my
friends in high school, myteachers in high school none of
them believed I would ever get acollege degree, for a good
reason, and so that was a bigmotivator for me to finish,
because I knew I could finish.
At this point, when I was twoyears in, I was like, oh, I can
(36:10):
finish this, and so that was abig motivator for me to just
stay, finish it and I mean, getsome good information out of it.
And I did.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay, so take me to the moment when you graduate
high school I mean graduatecollege.
What's that like for you andwhat are you thinking that is
your next chapter at that point?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
It was awesome and at that point so at that point I'd
already we'd already kind ofsold our business that we had at
the time and I started in thetransition from selling that
business to going to managingproperties.
I'd kind of dip my toe inmanaging my family's properties
(36:55):
and helping them kind of, youknow, get it more efficient.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I guess you could say yeah, like streamlined in some
of the processes and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, and I did pretty well with that.
And so it came down to when Iwas, when we were selling the
business, like what was I gonnado next?
And Matt, who's my uncle, hegave me the opportunity.
That was like, yeah, you canhelp me manage these things, but
you also are gonna have tolearn how to.
(37:26):
You know, put in the work tomaintain these things, because
it's not just you know, passivereal estate, like they like to
say, passive income, is the youknow, the big hot word.
But if you wanna make the mostmoney and you wanna get the
biggest bang for your buck, yougotta put the work in.
And you'd be very activeinstead of passive.
(37:46):
And so he was able, because Ididn't really have any real
skills, I didn't have any,couldn't read a tape measure, do
anything like that.
And he was like you can do allthe cool, smart stuff for you
know managing, he goes, but youalso need to learn this and I
can teach you this.
And so we kind of were somegood give and take on that.
I would teach him, help himwith the managing and teaching
(38:09):
him the managing, and he wouldhelp me learning the technical
aspect of building a house,remodeling a house, commercial
properties, codes, all thatstuff.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, so the main reason we do this podcast is to
help people find work that theylove through the stories of
others.
So this is a question that Ihave for you, somebody out there
that wants to do somethingsimilar to you do you feel like
that?
You got more experience outhere in the field, working with
Matt or through your degreeprogram?
And if they can only choose onethe experience or the degree
(38:42):
which one would you say thatwould be better suited for doing
real estate slash propertymanagement?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Experience.
Experience especially like,especially our generation, our
generation has kind of beenbecause we are known like they
kind of labeled us when we wereyoung as millennials, as being
lazy, and because you know weare the technology age and
whatever they kind of fed usthis lie that you know comfort
(39:10):
and and you know you can haveother people do all this stuff
for you, that experience teachesyou, it kind of puts the power
back in your hands and makes yourealize that like, oh, I can do
this, I don't have to hiresomebody to do this, it's not
that difficult and it's actuallyquite fulfilling.
Like it really is a fulfillingthing whenever you do start a
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project and then you finish thatproject yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
No, absolutely.
I think a lot more of theprograms should be action,
hands-on based, because I thinkthat getting that experience out
in the real world is somethingthat all employers are craving.
So I'm coming out of ainstitution for four years where
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I put so much work and effortinto and that I just still don't
have what the employers want.
You know what I mean.
I got out of college and had adegree and I had all of this
hope and, you know, joy in myeyes, thinking that it was gonna
be an easy transition into theworkplace.
And then I was, you know,surprised that it wasn't like
(40:20):
that.
And, you know, that kind ofbrings me back to the reason why
I do this is to kind of getsome information out there about
what is the best way to dothese things, cause you're
absolutely right about us beingmillennials.
We are the generation that is inbetween two massive errors.
We were old enough to have seenlife before DVR, like cable TV,
(40:49):
guide channel before texting,but now we're in this super
information at your fingertips,super computer, super iPhone
type error, where a lot of thethings that the college was
asking like, you know, hey, comehere and learn this.
You can learn on YouTube from ahundred different professionals
(41:13):
, you know.
So it's just a to me, theinstitutions are kind of losing
their credibility, because Ithink that online learning is
being so accessible that I wasjust it's very cool to see your
take on.
There's no substitute forgetting that on hand experience.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, and the thing is it's like that I see why
people want to just do thatroute and without the work, like
obviously cause it's not asdifficult, but like that work,
that hard work that you do putinto it and the cuts and all
(41:56):
that stuff.
Man, like I said, it's sofulfilling it's.
And I'm just scratching thesurface.
That's the thing is.
I'm still learning so much.
I've got so much more to learn.
I'm by no means an expert at it, but I'm just I don't know.
Every time I complete something, I'm just more motivated to
keep going and doing more andlearning more.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, that means becoming.
There's some things that arebecoming a lost art, like today.
I was telling you earlier onthe phone that one of my goals
for 2024 was I wanted to learnhow to cook more.
So I went to the grocery store.
I bought some chicken thighs.
I went to my mom's house.
It's like, hey, mom, I need youto teach me how to cook fried
chicken.
How did those go?
(42:39):
It did.
It was awesome.
I've got pictures and all kindsof stuff.
I surprised the destiny of thegirls with fried chicken,
macaroni and cheese.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
How did you miss?
Did you do?
You didn't do mashed potatoes,I didn't do mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
That's a miss.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
It is a miss, but you know Mashed potatoes goes with
fried chicken at all times.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
It does like so much, especially with a roll.
What?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
are you gonna dip the roll in?
It's just mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So I had sweet rice too.
I don't know if you ever hadsweet rice but, Not with fried
chicken.
I'm telling you, bro, it mightbe a Southern black thing, but
we had sweet rice rolls,macaroni and cheese fried
chicken and I cooked all thisfor my family and they were
super surprised and it wasfulfilling.
Like you said, it was superfulfilling to be able to say,
(43:26):
man, I took this from somethingthat was unadorable to something
that was really great, and it'ssomething that I'm just gonna
continue to work on in 2024.
So let's just let's get to thecareer that you're doing now.
We've done the origin story, solet's talk about what does a
typical day in the life of youlook like right now?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean we're in a slower period on the management
side right now.
Luckily, we've done enoughproactive stuff that I'm just
taking care of.
Like you know, if it rains alot and we spring a leak or
something like that, I'm takingcare of that and just kind of
prepping for the summer when westart kind of working on
remodeling some of the existingplaces that we have, and I'm
(44:11):
just taking this time to likelearn and just kind of soak in
everything real estate agentwise.
And so my day, pretty much, Iwake up about 7 am 10 30.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
No, stop that.
Tell the people the truth.
I'm telling the people thetruth.
I'm telling the people thetruth.
I wake up at 7 am with my wifewho's getting up.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I get her set up, get her sent off.
I'm usually at my computer andthis season that I'm in, right
now, I'm at my computer at 8 amI'm checking at the MLS,
checking out all the checking myemails, trying to get ahead of
any kind of real estate agentstuff that I have.
Then I write my to-do list forthe day and I start on property
management stuff, cause I liketo get that knocked out of the
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way in the morning so I can workon agent stuff in the afternoon
.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
What's the most difficult thing about managing
properties?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
People.
People is the most rewardingand most difficult thing about
it.
Because it's difficult becauseyou have a lot of different
personalities and you know it'sunderstandable because it's
there especially cause most ofthe majority of ours is
commercial.
This is their livelihoods, sothis is how they support their
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family, everything.
And so if you know if there's alease coming up and there's a
rent increase or something likethat, like it's a hard
conversation.
It's a hard conversation tohave and though you deal with a
lot of difficult personalities,but it's also rewarding because
(45:46):
you can help these people andtypically you know we're under
your market rent in Johnsboroand so we actually have quite a
few happy tenants because we'reable to give them affordable
rent and allow them to like havetheir business and be a
(46:08):
successful business, not just abreak-even business.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What are some of the trends in the market that you're
seeing in 2024?
If someone was looking to buyor sell a house right now, is it
a good time or no?
Speaker 2 (46:20):
It's getting better.
I do believe it's gettingbetter and it's gonna continue
to get a little bit better.
I don't think they're gonna see.
You know, we're not gonna see,of course, your 2% or your 3%,
probably again for a very, verylong time.
I got mine, that's all I'msaying, that's it, but you're
gonna see.
I mean, you're gonna see sixes,you're gonna see fives, you
might see high fours.
(46:41):
Maybe We'll see how that goes,but you know, it's definitely
looking better, I think by thesummertime, you know, when
things start warming up.
I think the market's gonna heatup a lot more, and so that'll
just be good for everybody.
That'll be good for agents,that'll be good for buyers,
that'll be good for sellers.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, coming from the perspective of a potential
buyer, if I'm somebody let's sayI'm already a homeowner, I've
got 10K that I want to do with.
Like I want to make atransaction.
Is that enough to get startedon getting a property of some
sort?
Like, is it enough to get aplot of land?
Is that enough for a downpayment?
(47:24):
Like, what would somebody thatis in the interest of buying a
property?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Income producing or.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, so let's say I make 100K, I got 10K cash.
What can I get with that?
Like, what are some steps thatyou would get me if I wanted to
get a plot of land for, let'ssay, three acres?
Like, what are the steps thatyou would say Devin?
This is my advice to you andthis is how you're gonna get
there.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
First thing I'm hooking you up with is a slick
lender, cause technically Ican't give financial advice
because I'm just a real estateagent.
So I get you hooked up with alender who can hook you up with,
and I get you with a nicelender too.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, but you said you wanted to know it all.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So what would it take for you to become a lender Like
you need a lot of bankingexperience, like understanding
loans and like, don't get mewrong, I understand.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Is that something that you would consider wanting
to do Like?
Is that under the umbrella oflearning at all to you?
Speaker 2 (48:27):
For sure.
I probably won't ever work at abank and become a mortgage
officer or anything like that,but I think I'm going to, in
this transactional like seasonthat I'm in, learning the
billing and real estate agent.
You work very closely withlenders, very closely, so
learning the ins and outs of theloan, learning the creative
ways of riding alone and youknow working a deal that's the
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stuff that I'm gonna be learning.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah.
So, going back to my question,what are some advice?
So you'd hook me up with alender.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
And have you done that before?
Like if someone come to youwith advice and you've hooked
them up with a lender, and whatdoes it look like after that as
far as getting a property,because you are an agent, right?
So, like if I came to you andsaid, hey, patrick, this is what
I want.
Obviously, okay, the lendingpart, but what would it look
like if I wanted to get threeacres?
Like, would you just show medifferent properties around town
(49:21):
?
Like, what's the process?
Like, cause I've only I boughta house, obviously, so I've had
a real estate agent before afamily friend here in town, but
what would that process looklike?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
So lender's gonna help you find out what you can
afford.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Lender.
Once we know what you canafford, what the loan, what loan
they can hook you up with,we're gonna start looking at
properties, we're gonna startlooking at land and we're gonna
start looking at, we're gonnastart talking to you about, all
right, what do you want to dowith this property?
Cause we're like, you'retalking raw land, so what do you
want to turn it into?
You want to build a home there?
Or you wanting to put a minimall, like?
(49:57):
And then, once we kind of getyour goal, we're gonna start
looking at locations.
And then, when we start lookingat locations, we're gonna look
at the quality of land.
Does this land need to bedeveloped?
Does this land need to beleveled?
Does it already have utilities?
Does it already have access toall that stuff?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, I mean, I think for me my personal goal is I
would want to put some kind ofsmall house or something on it,
but I would want, I want to.
This might sound dumb, but likeI want like fruit trees or like
I want some kind of like girlthat does not sound dumb at all
I mean, that's just we are inthe generation where all we eat
is plastic, Exactly Witheverything we eat has plastic in
(50:38):
it.
I'm telling you like the more Ido research and the more that I
research food and things likethat, the more I want to be able
to grow like organic foods,that I know that nothing's been
touched on it and you know it'snot been sprayed with all kinds
of stuff Like I want nature'scandy, so like apple trees and
(50:58):
whatever other fruits andvegetables I could muster up is
something that I would want toput on there.
So that's like my goal.
Like that's just my personalgoal.
Obviously, if I had like adream thing that I could do with
a property, I think longterm Iwould want to have some kind of
event venue, like in the next 10to 15 years.
(51:21):
Like that's a goal of mine.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
That'd be sick for you honestly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
I don't like being in the industry and seeing the
things that do work and thethings that don't work.
I'm like man, I could do thatbetter.
You know what I mean.
So maybe I get a lender on thepodcast and I just see, like,
what the steps are to try to getto being able to get something
like that.
I got you Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I got the dude for you right off the bat.
Yeah, my boy Pedro.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell Pedro this is my campaign
to get Pedro on the podcast.
I want to talk, and that's onecool thing about doing this is
that you get to talk to a lot ofpeople from a lot of different
walks of life, and not only am Ibeing able to provide value to
a lot of different people thatmay want to do these jobs, I'm
(52:11):
answering my own questions thatI might be curious about.
Like I'm legitimately curioushow I'm going to make these
goals line come true, and justlike making that fried chicken
dude, I'm just setting the goal,I'm accomplishing it and I'm
moving on to the next one.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
That's it, dude, and you're honest, I'm real bummed
out.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
I didn't get to try the fried chicken, though, dude,
I promise you I've got picturesof me like preparing and
everything I still got.
The girls were super happy withit, so it was is one of those
things?
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Did they eat it?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Hey, that's what's up .
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to getkids to eat anything it is.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
But you know I knew something that they would be
down for, because it's somethingthey always eat at my parents'
house.
And you know one thing thatpeople always ask me like hey,
devin, why are you still aroundJones bro?
That sort of thing.
And as I've gotten older, it isso much more important for me
to be able to really soak in andenjoy those moments with my
parents, make sure that my kidsare around my parents so they
(53:08):
have a good memory andrelationship with their
grandparents, and it was a wayfor me to, in my mom, to be able
to bond.
I'm learning a new skill andI'm making sure that I'm not
taking any of these moments inmy 30s that I'm having with my
parents my healthy parents forgranted.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
You know, as weird as I feel like these generations
like kind of ours, andespecially this next generation,
is still like they're startingto walk backwards in time, I
feel like everybody's startingto kind of transition like we
miss the authenticity, we missthe life away from technology,
we miss we miss like being likecompounding, being on family
compounds is a growing thing.
(53:47):
It's a growing trend.
Now it's even something thatI'm interested in and you know,
no matter how I ever feel aboutJonesboro which I love Jonesboro
but if I was to hate JonesboroI don't think I'd ever leave,
because my people, my family,are here and I just always want
to be around that village and Iwant my daughter to always be
around that village.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
One thing I'll always tell people when they're
getting ready to like oh, I wantto do this or I want to do that
.
I'm like dude, you can travelto anywhere you want in the
world, but there's only going tobe a few places or one place
that you consider home.
And I like being home, man, Ilike being around my people, I
like growing my village, I likemy friends and things like that,
(54:29):
and we can go on a triptogether.
But ultimately, like I want tobe, I want to be home.
And the cool thing aboutpodcasting is like I can get my
message out to everybody in theworld and I can be wherever I
need to be doing it.
So it's a cool thing, for sure.
But, yeah, absolutely TellPedro that I need to get him on
(54:49):
the I'll send him a text rightnow.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, well, as soon as we get off here, I'll send
him a text, yeah yeah, yeah forsure.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
So, Patrick, is there anything else that you want the
listeners to know about you,your career, before?
Speaker 2 (55:03):
we let you go here.
Yeah, if you're interested inbuying or selling a home or
anything you know, holler at me.
I'm new, but I've got enougheducation and learning, some
more experience in terms of howa home is supposed to be built
and looked, so that I could be areally useful asset.
And so holler at me and let mehelp you.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, so the last thing we like to do is like the
end of all of our episodes with.
This is the roadmap.
This is if you want to dosomething like Patrick is doing
or something similar, Patrick,will you give us your most
efficient way to become a realestate agent and or property
manager?
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Ooh, most efficient way to become a real estate
agent or a property manager.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, we want to get it out there to where?
Okay, you know there's a lot ofdifferent ways to do this.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
But this is the way that I would do it if I could do
it again.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Honestly, if you want to become a real estate agent,
the first thing you do is, like,you find a real estate agent.
A lot of these guys will getyou in touch with their
brokerage.
Their brokerages sometimesoffer like plans to kind of get
you through the schooling,because you have to take like 60
hours or something like thatand you can do that even online
now through the CE shop andstuff, and that's how I did it
(56:22):
at least.
And then you take your test andboom, you're a real estate
agent.
And then you get to be with abrokerage and learn and do all
that.
Becoming a property managerthere is I kind of had a
loophole because my family, it'stheir properties and so legally
I can manage their properties.
But if you're wanting to manageother people's properties, you
(56:45):
have to be a part of a brokerageor you know, and.
But if you want to learn how tomanage those properties, get
into, like, get intoconstruction, get into getting
in, getting, get into learningeven the smallest things, like
you could even start off atframing and you go to any
(57:05):
contractor around a good jobsite.
They're probably looking forsomebody looking for good work
and so get some experiencelearning.
You know how that's supposed tobe done.
Start reading books.
Bigger pockets is a big, bigplace that I go to for reading
books on kind of learning how adeal is supposed to be done,
(57:25):
types of deals that can be done.
You know.
Learn people, de-escalation,all that good stuff.
Learn negotiation and you know,just being around real estate
agents, being aroundconstruction, all that stuff
will kind of help lead you andprepare you for all that.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
No, I think that's really good advice and that's
something that I didn't eventhink of.
As far as the construction,learning the skills that you're
going to need to be able tomanage those properties is going
to set you up for being in thatrole when the opportunity does
present itself.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, now remember real quick just to be cause you
got your normal propertymanagers.
They're not like me.
Normal property managers don'tusually get hands on.
They hire maintenance workers.
I do it all, and so that's kindof the.
I'm sure there's others outthere that can do it all, but so
(58:22):
I may not be giving the bestadvice.
That's just the advice that youknow.
That would make sense for mebecause in my opinion I value a
manager who's going tounderstand how to do it all.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
And that's the thing, man.
Everybody has a unique journeyand as a unique perspective that
they can give and this is yoursto somebody that is inspired by
your story, to kind of get intothe field that you're doing.
Patrick, I appreciate you beingon the here, man.
Seriously, every time that weget to sit down and chop it up
(58:54):
is a blessing, and I reallyappreciate the conversation that
we get to have and I appreciateyou.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
I appreciate you letting me come on here and talk
about nonsense that I don'tknow, and you know I appreciate
your friendship, brother.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
No problem, brother.
Guys, I hope you guys haveenjoyed the episode with Patrick
Patterson today.
He inspired me, as he alwaysdoes, and I hope he inspired you
as well.
So, if you guys would beinclined, just follow us on
social media, subscribe towherever you get podcasts, and
we will be back next Thursdaywith a brand new episode.
(59:33):
Until next time, peace.
Thank you to everybody for your continued
support on the show.
I wanted to take the time topersonally thank everyone that's
listened to the show and I hopeyou enjoy today's episode.
Until next time, peace, andwe're back with another episode
of the Clever Angle podcast.
Today I have a very specialguest, one of my best friends,
one of my groomsmen, my neighbor, even I have Patrick Patterson.
(00:22):
He is a real estate agent and aproperty manager and he's one
of my best friends.
Patrick, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man, I'm doing good.
How are you?
I'm good man.
Do you like that intro?
I like the intro a lot.
You're one of my best friends,man.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I appreciate that, and I don't say that lightly.
As you get older, you start torealize that your pool of
friends shrink significantly.
So I really appreciate the bondthat we've been able to
maintain over the time thatwe've known each other.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So I agree.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm excited to have you on because we are talking
about one of my favoritesubjects, which is real estate,
property management somethingthat I've always been kind of
curious about, the kind of theends and the outs and we get to
talk about you, your upbringing,your opinion on college, the
job market.
We're going to get into all ofthat today.
(01:16):
So, patrick, let's just startoff with what are some things
that you've been up to.
Man, how's the family?
How's?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
your life.
What's new with PatrickFamily's good man Family's good,
got the four-year-old who'sabout to turn five, got the
cheer competitions?
Our daughters are obviously onthe same team and so we get to
do the cheer competitions often,and Courtney's in the midst of
(01:44):
school rocking it out.
I'm in the midst of gettingstarted on this, being a real
estate agent thing and stillmanaging the properties we got,
so I'm just trying to navigatethe new waters man, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So I just got a quick question for you.
We're both kind of in the samestage of life.
Which one is more difficult inyour opinion becoming a father
or marriage For me?
Yeah, for you.
It was becoming a father, youelaborate a little bit.
(02:21):
You don't have to get anythingtoo deep.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
No, it's good, it's good, it's good.
My biological father was notthe best father.
He struggled a lot so I did nothave a relationship with him
and so I never thought I wouldhave kids or really wanted to
have kids, because of my fear ofkind of recreating that.
And so when we found outCourtney was pregnant, it was a
(02:47):
big, big mentor, cool obstaclefor me to kind of get through,
to accept fatherhood and toaccept that I can be a good
father.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, patrick, I don't know if you hear this
often, but you are a heck of afather and good husband and
you're a great friend brother.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I appreciate the gas man.
Thanks, no problem man.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We are here to gas you up.
We are here to talk abouteverything, patrick Patterson,
so would you just give a just abrief introduction of who you
are, what you do and what we'rekind of going to be talking
about, which is your career?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
My name is Patrick Patterson, married with one kid,
29 years old, turning 30 thisyear.
I am a property manager with myfamily company, Vincander
Reynolds, and I manage mostlycommercial but also residential
property.
We got about a little over 40doors, I believe, and I just
(03:45):
recently kind of started on thispath of got my real estate
license and now I'm a realestate agent with Century 21
portfolio here in Jonesboro andbeen doing that for a couple
months now.
I got my first listingrepresenting a buyer on some
things and I'm kind of rollingin that arena now too.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
No, that's really cool man.
And, like I said, real estateand investing and things like
that is something that I've kindof got like a book club with
some of my friends, so my buddyAK and my brother and then you
two, we'll throw you in there aswell.
We like to read books, we liketo talk about them.
You and me both readessentialism, and now there is
(04:28):
another book that we're readingI will teach you to be rich is
the book that we're reading.
So, like every Monday, me andmy brother and my friend AK will
kind of discuss what's beengoing on in our week, what we're
learning and that sort of thing.
So we usually do it Mondaymorning and kind of check in.
So what would you say is one ofthe things that you have been
(04:51):
working on goal wise in 2024 sofar?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I'm really trying to put in my time.
For the last four years or soI've been working hard with this
education, kind of learning theins and outs of real estate and
kind of how to get involved ininvesting, managing property
efficiently, getting good atthat.
Now I'm getting into thetransactional side of real
estate and I'm really trying toget my experience in, get my
(05:17):
reps in there, so I can become amore well rounded real estate
just in the industry, not even areal estate agent, but just
completely in the industry, beable to know it all, do it all.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
When you say know it all.
So what are some of the?
What else is there in theindustry?
So obviously I'll just kind oftell you what I know about real
estate.
So I mean, it's just very basicbuying and selling houses.
I know that there's some kindof relationship with a broker.
That's about it.
(05:51):
As far as I know, as the workside of real estate, I know that
there's different things thatyou can do, like flipping houses
and different types of loans.
So when you say know it all,what does that mean?
What does all of that entail?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
That really entails not just the buying and selling
real estate, that's like thetransactional side of real
estate but then you got runningthose properties, being able to
fix those properties, being ableto develop them, like if you're
just purchasing raw land, beingable to develop and put on
multi-family or put in a singlefamily or put in commercial or
(06:32):
all the way up from dirt rawland, leveling it, putting a
building on it, putting peoplein it if you want to rent it out
, selling it, fixing it.
All that is kind of where I'mtrying to get to is being able
to just completely get all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's so interesting because I was kind of having
this conversation earlier and alot of industries, a lot of
things, a lot of businesses aremultifaceted.
So if you have a restaurant,for example, you were going to
get the food from somewhere, butsomebody else is going to do
the landscaping, someone else isgoing to maybe provide the
plates that you use, there's allthese facets that come together
(07:14):
to be able to have a restaurantor any type of business.
So that's just interesting.
That real estate is the sameway you said from the
development side to the buildingside, to the renting it out,
there's a lot of moving partsthat you want to be able to
master, to kind of get yourhands around all of that.
So before we get into kind ofyour day-to-day what you're
(07:34):
doing, I like to go back, I liketo hear your story.
So can you tell me a little bitabout what it was like growing
up and was real estate even onyour mind when you were like a
kid, 15, 16 years old?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I wanted to be a police officer.
My adopted dad was a policeofficer.
He was a great one, he is agreat one, and so that's all I
really ever wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So you wanted to be a police officer, and when did
that kind of change?
Did you ever become a policeofficer, or how did you get from
?
That's what you wanted to be,to kind of pursue in the
property management and realestate side of things.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, so I did.
I worked pretty hard and startedoff in dispatch and went to the
jail, then marked my way up totransport and then eventually on
patrol and I got to do a littlebit of time on patrol and I got
to live that.
And what changed was in 2019,when we found out Courtney was
pregnant with Carter.
(08:38):
It was like I was sayingearlier in the podcast it was a
big mental leap and I had tomake an adjustment to come to
terms with being a father, andat that time I started dealing
with some little stomach stufftoo that I'd never really dealt
with before, and so there wasjust like a totality of all
(08:58):
these situations happening thatkind of led to this I guess for
lack of a better term like kindof mental breakdown a little bit
.
I did only a lot of panicattacks, anxieties and stuff
like that.
So I ended up deciding that thebest thing to do would be to
(09:18):
leave that life behind me andfocus on accepting, becoming a
parent and being a good parentand kind of finding a new
identity.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
How long were you in that career before you decided
to switch?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Four to five years maybe.
Yeah, four to five years.
I started in dispatch in Texasand Did that and then when we
moved back to Cabot I started inthe jail at Lonoh County and,
you know, made my way up to thetransport side of things and I
(10:00):
did.
I did a little time on thepatrol side.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, and I really admire you for that, because you
know there's a lot of peoplethat have like this dream job
Look when they're kids and a lotof us don't really get to.
It's either changes or we don'tget to do it.
You know, when I was in eighthgrade I wanted to be a starting
point guard for the DetroitPistons.
Obviously that didn't happen,so still time yeah.
(10:25):
So what was it like, man?
What was it like Wanting to dothis, wanting to emulate, like
your dad?
You know, for a lot of us, ourdads are our first heroes.
You know what I mean.
So what was it like when youactually got to Be in law
enforcement like was it like asurreal moment.
What did it feel like yourdream job?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yes, like broadly yes .
So I got to, luckily, my dad Iworked for the county, my dad
worked for the city and so Iactually got to hang out my dad
quite a bit on some things, andthat was that was a.
That was like a good check off.
The box is just being able todo some stuff with my dad, and
(11:09):
it was in terms of helpingpeople, like that's all I've
ever watched my dad do, that'sever.
All I've ever wanted to do wasjust help people and I enjoy
that, and so being able to helppeople was awesome.
But then you know, there's theother side of it where it's like
there's some people that end upnot being able to be helped,
(11:30):
and then there's, you know, youend up having to arrest some
people and you see that side ofit too, and that kind of it puts
a damper on your opinion ofsociety.
I guess and you know, if you'renot careful, it can it can it
can completely change yourperspective on society.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah it's.
It's so cool because I didn'treally get that.
I really I didn't know thatbefore that there was some time
that you got to be in uniformand get to do some things with
your dad, and that's somethingthat I've got to experience with
my brother as well, that youknow, me and my brother and my
dad have all worked for the samecompany for the last five or
six years, so that's somethingthat I never would have thought
(12:08):
would that would have been on mybucket list.
But now, just being able tointeract with them in a
Different way, because you know,when you're growing up and your
dad is in in the house and overyou, like there's just a
certain type of relationship andGetting to see him in a
different light and getting tosee him around his friends and,
you know, getting to have thatMature relationship with
(12:34):
something I always treasure, youknow so, and seeing him, like I
bet seeing it like cuz.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean getting to see you grow up.
You look up to your dad and allof his friends and then you
find yourself like become.
I guess you could say like thatrespect Did like almost appear,
yeah, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I mean there's, there's guys that I've
legitimately known For 25 to 30years and you know they've
always known me as like, justlike a little kid.
You know little Tevin, exactly,and, and you know, there was
this this time, this past week Iwas talking to one of my dad's
friends.
We got a chance to work together.
His names Eric and we were.
(13:11):
We were doing a lot of work,eric and we were.
We were doing a reset in astore and you know he told me
how old he was and I was likedude, how are you like just now
out of your 40s, when Ilegitimately have known you my
whole life?
You know what I mean.
So it was kind of one of thosefull circle moments that I'm
like man, like this person hasbeen one of those people that
(13:33):
has legitimately seen me grow upand now it's kind of kind of
come full circle.
But yeah, so that's somethingthat we share and I and that's
cool to get to, to kind of getto talk about that on this
podcast.
But going back to you and yourjourney, so you said you kind of
(13:53):
had to find a new identity.
What did that process look likefor you?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It looked rough like, especially at the time I was
dealing with a lot of likemental stuff, and so you know,
there's this like phrase likeretraining your brain and stuff
like that.
It was a lot of that.
I started this program, uh,where I was pretty much locked
in my office while my wife waspregnant for about Three to four
hours a day, when I'd get offof work and so spend most of the
(14:20):
evening in my office Likeworking on this program to try,
and you know, change my thoughtprocesses and kind of accept
being a father and um, you know,then it led to all right, the
realization that we need toleave when we were living at the
time and move to a differentarea which would end up becoming
(14:41):
jonesboro.
Um, that was kind of moresupportive and uh, so we, when
we moved to jonesboro, I startedworking at a factory At night.
Where did you work?
At?
Hytro?
Really, hytro was my, hytro wasmy first uh like job.
As soon as I got to, um, as soonas I got to jonesboro and
(15:05):
courtney was still pregnant, shewas like seven to eight months
pregnant and she had to stay andfinish her contract in
jacksonville, so she was at homealone in the house that we
owned two dogs, her being sevenmonths pregnant.
I had sold everything in thehouse and uh yeah, and so you
(15:30):
know, pregnant, two dogs alonein this house, I just sold
everything, uh, to kind of likeget ourselves.
We had gotten ourselves intocrazy debt from being young and
so Sold everything to kind oftake away that debt and just get
a fresh start.
And I moved here, lived with myfamily and worked nights at
hytrol and um.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What all did you sell and how long were you working
at hytrol for?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I so.
So I only worked at hytrol formaybe three to six months and I
sold couches, recliners,dressers, washer dryer,
everything.
Uh, washer dryer came closer tothe end when courtney moves,
but, like she, there was noliving room furniture.
She pretty much just had a bedand, um, yeah, I just I sold
(16:20):
everything else that we had,besides, of course, carters, you
know, nursery stuff that we hadbuilding up, but everything
else personal I sold, and, uh,she's a saint for riding through
that with me.
Uh, because it was like, I mean,it was that time, that nine
months of her being pregnant andthen the three to six months
after that was probably thedarkest time of my life, I'd say
(16:43):
in terms of just like when,especially going through the
mental stuff that I had, which,hindsight 2020, ended up being
great.
But like Working at hytrol, youknow, especially the midnight
shift, I'm a very much asunlight positive Person, and
then, on top of that, I lovetalking to people, and you can't
do that when you're working athytrol at nights.
(17:04):
You have to have your earbudsin, you're just doing your thing
, and so it was a lot of timewhere I was just trapped with my
own thoughts, which I hated atthat time I couldn't stand, and
so it was necessary like it wasa necessary time that God put me
in for a reason Because Ineeded to be trapped with my
thoughts.
I needed to be with my thoughtsand be able to process things
(17:27):
myself.
But it was something I justcouldn't stand, and so yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So what did it look like when quartney finally got
there and then you guys hadcarter?
What did that next chapter looklike?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
for you.
It was a.
It was a crazy cool chapter.
I'd gotten, I'd gotten enoughmoney to get us an apartment,
and it was.
She moved here.
She was going to get induced ona monday.
She moved here that saturday.
And so that saturday she movedhere on monday.
We had to move, we had to driveall the way back to little rock
to be at the hospital so shecould get birth and get induced.
(17:57):
And she gave birth and by thistime I'd already like kind of
Been in a much better mindsetabout being a father.
So it was pure excitement andfear.
You know the normal stuff thatyou're supposed to fear, feel.
And Just when I saw her thefirst time, dude, that's, I mean
, you know, that's wheneverything just changes.
(18:20):
It's no longer a question mark.
It's like you see your purposeright there and everything else,
nothing, nothing matters atthat point.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, you really don't understand until you have
kids how much they really changeyour life.
They change your, the thingsthat you want to do, that.
They change the, the psychologyof how you spend your money.
They change how you see yourwife like man.
Like my wife went through thisexperience and was able to Give
birth to this perfect littlehuman.
(18:52):
That that is just an absolutejoy and, you wonder, wonderful
add to our lives and stuff.
So, um, yeah, I absolutely getit like.
Being a father is one of themost influential, magical times
of my life and you know, I'vebeen blessed to have two little
girls.
So you give birth to Carter,you're in a better headspace.
(19:15):
What is that looking like forwork?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
for you at this time.
So at that point I kind ofswitched gears and started
working for Ritter, a littleright before, right before she
moved down, and uh, worked forRitter communications, which
that was more kind of what I wasused to like.
I had my own work truck and Iwas kind of running my routes
and installing internet andcable and that's, you know, with
(19:39):
law enforcement before that.
And then I worked at AT&Tbefore I did law enforcement in
texas like just having that thatwas my normal and so I got to
enjoy that.
Um, when Carter was born andCourtney was able to be with
Carter and we stayed in thislittle apartment that we had and
uh, it was hard financiallybecause I wasn't getting paid a
(20:00):
ton of money.
Were you in Jonesboro, were you?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was in Brooklyn, um , I was in the witton creek
apartments in Brooklyn and um,working for Ritter installing,
you know, internet and uh, yeah,it was.
It was rough financially but itwas like it was cool because it
was me and Courtney the firsttime alone with our kid, and it
(20:26):
was, it was a surreal adjustment.
I, like a lot of Courtney'skind of a badass is a badass.
There's just no doubt aboutexcuse my language To the, you
know, staying up with a kidletting me, you know, graciously
letting me sleep so I could beup for work the next morning.
And you know it was a, it was acool time.
(20:46):
I honestly, I look back on itand it's very Like flashing
memories.
I don't have very vividmemories at that time because it
was such a Transition time forus, you know those just it's
heavy.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's so interesting because I am a firm believer
that, like during those time,during that time when your kids
little and you know you're goingthrough all the things for the
first time, you're sleepdeprived, you know they're
crying, breastfeeding, all thesethings, like you really just
look up and then it's over.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, you know from surviving, and the next thing
you know, it's like you'reconscious again.
It's like, okay, how long was Iout for?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
exactly, exactly it's just weird because I mean, time
just passes by so differentlyas you get older and then you
know you really start to want itto slow down.
Yeah, you really do, especiallywhen it comes to your kids
learning and doing things likemy.
Ilari came home and she hadhomework today in kindergarten.
I'm just like we're helping ourkid with homework in
(21:49):
kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a surreal thing they
even even think about, because Imean, I still feel like a kid
and a lot of aspects of my lifeand still look to my parents for
guidance for Pretty mucheverything you know.
So we're just kind of in thatweird Transitional phase where
we're still figuring things out.
You know, we've got parentsthat are getting older, we got
(22:11):
kids that are growing up, we'vegot Friendships that we're still
hanging on to, trying to make apriority, and it's just a a
wild, wild time in our lives.
So you, you're moving toJonesburg like you're, you're
working at Ritter.
How, when does this start tothis thought process start to to
(22:34):
change from I'm just doingthese jobs to kind of survive,
what I'm used to, you know,getting back into to something
that's comfortable to?
I want to find my passion.
I want to find something that Iwant to do, like, when does you
go into school?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
coming to this, so During that time job wise,
career wise I was doing whatever, got the bills paid and just
focusing on my wife, my daughterand like myself personally.
So focusing on the home life,getting that healthy, getting my
mental state healthy and thenonce I felt like I was good
(23:10):
there, that's when thisopportunity opened up.
Courtney was working at aschool.
This opportunity were opened upfor me to go and work there and
have a more stable position andIT that was gonna offer me a
pretty big raise if I got mydegree that they would let me
work through.
I was there and it was asignificant pay cut To do it.
(23:33):
But my wife and my family werelike this is it like you've been
?
You've been.
I never thought in a millionyears I'd get my degree and
teachers would agree that I'll.
And so when the opportunitypresented itself, my family was
like you've got to do it.
You know We'll support you.
You can move in with us, bringyour wife and your daughter move
(23:55):
in with us in our house, workon this, get your degree and
Find your, find your identity,find your passion, stick with it
and, you know, do what you do.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So when this is all happening, I'm sure there's like
a flood of emotions that isgoing through you right now.
I believe it happened in twodays actually.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I was, I was at work and it was right before
Thanksgiving and and it was I'dgotten a phone call saying that
they were gonna offer me the joband that they could only pay me
this very little Amount but thepossibility of getting double
that.
Once I got my degree and Icalled my wife, she was like
(24:37):
that's, that's hard, we can't dothat.
I called my aunt.
She's like that's an extremelyhard thing to do.
Let me call you back, I'd say.
Eight hours later Maybe, shecalled me and she's like look,
here's the deal.
We're gonna Offer you thisopportunity.
You can take it if you want.
It's up to you, courtney Carter, you can come in here, move in
(25:02):
with us, focus on your debt,focus on your job.
You have to be in school, youhave to get your degree, you
know and get it together.
I mean like that's howsupportive they were.
It was just a matter of boom.
As soon as the opportunitypresented itself and it seemed
like it had good futurepotential, it just my family
kicked into gear.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, what was that like, that conversation like
between you and Courtney, whenthis is happening, because I'm
picturing myself in the samesituation and I'm Proudful to a
fault which I know is, you know,can be my a detriment at times,
but I, I don't know if I canmentally Move myself in with
(25:48):
like family, like, except like Ijust have I just have a hard
time accepting help.
You know what I mean.
So what was that like when you,you sat down with your wife and
you had the conversation ofthis is what we're gonna do.
It's gonna help us in the longrun.
We're you know, obviously itworked out Like what did that
(26:09):
look like it?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
was a.
It was a difficult one, butit's like we both knew in our
stomachs that it was the rightone.
Me and Courtney had At thispoint.
We were used to just frequentchange.
We were moving every year.
It was.
We were just used to justfrequent instability, and I'm a
big risk-taker in general, so Ikind of fly the seat of my pants
.
(26:31):
It was a a task to kind of knockmyself off that independency
pedestal and admit thatTruthfully, I failed being being
an adult from 18 to 22 orwhatever it was, when I moved in
with them.
During that time I failed asbeing an independent adult and
(26:54):
if I Wanted to not continue tofail, if I wanted to get better,
I had to knock myself off ofthat pedestal, accept
accountability and Kind of justrelearn, like I'd already kind
of luckily I'd already done alot of work on kind of breaking
myself down with the wholemental stuff that I was going
through.
That it was.
(27:16):
It was easier for me to likeoutside, looking in, to be like
Patrick, you need this.
This is, this is unique.
This is something that's being,this is something that's being
presented to you.
That's a good opportunity foryou to continue to grow.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You keep making references to Getting your
mental Stability right.
What did that entail?
Did you go to therapy oranything, or is it like a book
or something you read or likewhat was it that kind of pulled
you out of that, that dark placeso?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
There was a.
There was levels, layers to it,for sure, but the one there was
like a Dennis Simpsack is hisname and he used to be a, you
know, tennis professional tennisplayer had just you know and
then he ended up suffering.
He ended up having to deal withsome pretty crazy performance
anxiety, health anxiety, stuff.
(28:11):
Anyway, he ended up becominglike this making this digital
program.
That was very holistic and thatwas kind of the program that I
needed because, you know, myfamily history has a lot to do
with prescription abuse and sobeing on medicine was just not
(28:31):
something for me mentally that Icould do, and so I needed a
more holistic approach, and sohe offered that and I dedicated
myself to his program.
His program was incredible andthen, through that came therapy,
through that came books,through that came an incredible.
(28:52):
My wife, courtney, was anincredible support from day one.
When I told her that I wantedto do this program, she was like
as long as you stick with it,go for it.
And and so, yeah, I've stillgot all the books you know to
this day that I still like toreread every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Okay.
So now you've made the decisionYou're you're gonna go to
school.
How did you pick what youwanted to do, and didn't matter
what degree you got for the show?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, they, I think they wanted me to do because it
was an IT job.
They wanted me to do somethingIT related and they Wanted me to
be there forever.
They were a tight-knit groupwho had all been there for many,
many years and they were kindof letting this newbie come in
and hoping that I would be thereforever too.
I, unfortunately, I knew when Iwas getting in there this was
(29:45):
not forever for me.
This was kind of a steppingstone, and so I took it as an
opportunity when I got there, tofind the degree that I wanted
to do, which ended up beingbusiness administration, and
then kind of just invest andfocus on that.
How?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
long were you at the IT job before you decided to
move on to something else?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
A year and a half, maybe two.
Yeah, maybe two.
It's like right at right whenCOVID started.
I think the second semester ofCOVID is when I quit, maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay, so just tell me about that.
So you started this schooljourney into like originally
hopes of getting more pay atthis IT job.
Obviously, it's four years toget a degree.
You're about halfway throughyour degree at this point when
you decide to leave that job.
What did that look like?
What did that last two yearslook like for you?
(30:42):
You're still in school, andthen what did your next
adventure look like?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It looked good.
I mean honestly by that time,by the two years in, it had
switched from those generaleducation like where I messed up
because I didn't pay attentionmuch in high school.
I wasn't a great student and soI had to relearn a lot of those
things that you learned in highschool the first two years and
then after that it was all mygood elective dependent, like
(31:09):
all the stuff that was likedegree related, and that stuff
lit a fire in me because it hadeverything to do with business
and real estate and so it waseasy to go to work and do my
school work because it waseverything that.
It was what I was wanting to do.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So what were you currently working at when you
kind of got into that groove ofall right school starting to pay
off?
I'm learning the things that Iwant to learn, and where were
you at in your career journeythen?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So right when January 2020 is kind of when I January
2020 is when I left the schooldistrict and we had just started
a retail store and so havingthat business, starting that
business off running is I waskind of taking all those things
(32:04):
that I was learning in schooland applying them either same
day or day later and you know,it was really kind of just
experience with education rightoff the bat.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
So you're a non-traditional student at this
point because obviously you'repast 18.
It's not like straight fromhigh school to college, the
college to live up to the heightfor you.
Like you know, I think when Iwas going into college I had a
preconceived notion of what itwas going to be like, how, the
things that I was going to learn, and I ended up coming out with
(32:38):
a different perspective that Iwent in with Two years in.
You know, you kind of had adelayed experience.
What was that collegeexperience like for you?
For?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
me it was hybrid and so it was like sometimes it was
on Zoom, sometimes it was justonline, I think once or twice I
went into a classroom tutoring Idid in some classes and stuff
like that, and so it was likethe one thing that I missed out
of the traditional educationthat you know everybody
(33:10):
typically gets is just thecamaraderie, the networking that
you get, the friendships thatyou gain.
I didn't get that.
I got a lot of.
I got a lot of the retention ofknowledge.
That was the cool part.
That was kind of the takeaway isbecause I was working in
business at the time when I'dlearned something like I said
(33:31):
I'd apply it pretty quickly andso, and then once you apply
something right after you learnit, it's typically it's retained
in there and so it was good forme.
But then there's like that 20,23 year old young man and it's
like I'm in college, I'msupposed to be, even though I
was a little older, it's still.
It was like that young man andme fighting like dude, you're
supposed to be having some fun,but really I was grown married
(33:54):
with a kid, so you know, had tokind of put all that to the side
.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and it's just.
It's interesting so at thispoint when you're in college,
about you know, going into yearthree, almost did you know you
wanted to do real estate then,yeah, and I knew.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
So I knew, as soon as I started my real estate degree
I had a class on.
I had a class on like appraisaland investing and stuff like
that.
And that's when it kind ofclicked, because I had gotten
into the bigger pocket stuffsome years before when I first
got into police, because being apolice officer they don't pay
you very much at all, and sothere's, you always have to have
(34:34):
some kind of side gig, and sothat was kind of what I was
looking at, towards my side gig.
But it was kind of one of thosethings that maybe I will, maybe
I won't ever achieve it.
And then when I started mydegree program and I took that
class, I was like, oh, I can dothis, I can do this and I think
I can be kind of good at it if Ireally just like put my time
into it, because I did have a, Ihave a love and a knack for
(34:57):
people and I also feel confidentin my ability to understand
real estate.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So did you at this point?
Did you still want it to be aside gig or is this something
that you ever planned on doingfull time?
And the reason I asked that isbecause, if it was going to be a
side gig for you, explain to mewhy you just went ahead and got
the four year degree, becauseyou don't have to have a degree
to be an agent, right?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
No, yeah, no, you don't.
You don't have to have a degreeto invest or be an agent or
anything like that.
The degree, finishing thedegree, came from this like
inner fire.
You know not many people in myfamily, especially in my direct
family, my immediate family theydidn't have their bachelor's
degrees.
I became the first.
(35:48):
That was a big motivator and youhad you know, like you were
talking about that pride thatit's in you you know, most of my
friends in high school, myteachers in high school none of
them believed I would ever get acollege degree, for a good
reason, and so that was a bigmotivator for me to finish,
because I knew I could finish.
At this point, when I was twoyears in, I was like, oh, I can
(36:10):
finish this, and so that was abig motivator for me to just
stay, finish it and I mean, getsome good information out of it.
And I did.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay, so take me to the moment when you graduate
high school I mean graduatecollege.
What's that like for you andwhat are you thinking that is
your next chapter at that point?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
It was awesome and at that point so at that point I'd
already we'd already kind ofsold our business that we had at
the time and I started in thetransition from selling that
business to going to managingproperties.
I'd kind of dip my toe inmanaging my family's properties
(36:55):
and helping them kind of, youknow, get it more efficient.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I guess you could say yeah, like streamlined in some
of the processes and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, and I did pretty well with that.
And so it came down to when Iwas, when we were selling the
business, like what was I gonnado next?
And Matt, who's my uncle, hegave me the opportunity.
That was like, yeah, you canhelp me manage these things, but
you also are gonna have tolearn how to.
(37:26):
You know, put in the work tomaintain these things, because
it's not just you know, passivereal estate, like they like to
say, passive income, is the youknow, the big hot word.
But if you wanna make the mostmoney and you wanna get the
biggest bang for your buck, yougotta put the work in.
And you'd be very activeinstead of passive.
(37:46):
And so he was able, because Ididn't really have any real
skills, I didn't have any,couldn't read a tape measure, do
anything like that.
And he was like you can do allthe cool, smart stuff for you
know managing, he goes, but youalso need to learn this and I
can teach you this.
And so we kind of were somegood give and take on that.
I would teach him, help himwith the managing and teaching
(38:09):
him the managing, and he wouldhelp me learning the technical
aspect of building a house,remodeling a house, commercial
properties, codes, all thatstuff.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, so the main reason we do this podcast is to
help people find work that theylove through the stories of
others.
So this is a question that Ihave for you, somebody out there
that wants to do somethingsimilar to you do you feel like
that?
You got more experience outhere in the field, working with
Matt or through your degreeprogram?
And if they can only choose onethe experience or the degree
(38:42):
which one would you say thatwould be better suited for doing
real estate slash propertymanagement?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Experience.
Experience especially like,especially our generation, our
generation has kind of beenbecause we are known like they
kind of labeled us when we wereyoung as millennials, as being
lazy, and because you know weare the technology age and
whatever they kind of fed usthis lie that you know comfort
(39:10):
and and you know you can haveother people do all this stuff
for you, that experience teachesyou, it kind of puts the power
back in your hands and makes yourealize that like, oh, I can do
this, I don't have to hiresomebody to do this, it's not
that difficult and it's actuallyquite fulfilling.
Like it really is a fulfillingthing whenever you do start a
(39:32):
project and then you finish thatproject yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
No, absolutely.
I think a lot more of theprograms should be action,
hands-on based, because I thinkthat getting that experience out
in the real world is somethingthat all employers are craving.
So I'm coming out of ainstitution for four years where
(39:56):
I put so much work and effortinto and that I just still don't
have what the employers want.
You know what I mean.
I got out of college and had adegree and I had all of this
hope and, you know, joy in myeyes, thinking that it was gonna
be an easy transition into theworkplace.
And then I was, you know,surprised that it wasn't like
(40:20):
that.
And, you know, that kind ofbrings me back to the reason why
I do this is to kind of getsome information out there about
what is the best way to dothese things, cause you're
absolutely right about us beingmillennials.
We are the generation that is inbetween two massive errors.
We were old enough to have seenlife before DVR, like cable TV,
(40:49):
guide channel before texting,but now we're in this super
information at your fingertips,super computer, super iPhone
type error, where a lot of thethings that the college was
asking like, you know, hey, comehere and learn this.
You can learn on YouTube from ahundred different professionals
(41:13):
, you know.
So it's just a to me, theinstitutions are kind of losing
their credibility, because Ithink that online learning is
being so accessible that I wasjust it's very cool to see your
take on.
There's no substitute forgetting that on hand experience.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, and the thing is it's like that I see why
people want to just do thatroute and without the work, like
obviously cause it's not asdifficult, but like that work,
that hard work that you do putinto it and the cuts and all
(41:56):
that stuff.
Man, like I said, it's sofulfilling it's.
And I'm just scratching thesurface.
That's the thing is.
I'm still learning so much.
I've got so much more to learn.
I'm by no means an expert at it, but I'm just I don't know.
Every time I complete something, I'm just more motivated to
keep going and doing more andlearning more.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, that means becoming.
There's some things that arebecoming a lost art, like today.
I was telling you earlier onthe phone that one of my goals
for 2024 was I wanted to learnhow to cook more.
So I went to the grocery store.
I bought some chicken thighs.
I went to my mom's house.
It's like, hey, mom, I need youto teach me how to cook fried
chicken.
How did those go?
(42:39):
It did.
It was awesome.
I've got pictures and all kindsof stuff.
I surprised the destiny of thegirls with fried chicken,
macaroni and cheese.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
How did you miss?
Did you do?
You didn't do mashed potatoes,I didn't do mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
That's a miss.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
It is a miss, but you know Mashed potatoes goes with
fried chicken at all times.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
It does like so much, especially with a roll.
What?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
are you gonna dip the roll in?
It's just mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So I had sweet rice too.
I don't know if you ever hadsweet rice but, Not with fried
chicken.
I'm telling you, bro, it mightbe a Southern black thing, but
we had sweet rice rolls,macaroni and cheese fried
chicken and I cooked all thisfor my family and they were
super surprised and it wasfulfilling.
Like you said, it was superfulfilling to be able to say,
(43:26):
man, I took this from somethingthat was unadorable to something
that was really great, and it'ssomething that I'm just gonna
continue to work on in 2024.
So let's just let's get to thecareer that you're doing now.
We've done the origin story, solet's talk about what does a
typical day in the life of youlook like right now?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean we're in a slower period on the management
side right now.
Luckily, we've done enoughproactive stuff that I'm just
taking care of.
Like you know, if it rains alot and we spring a leak or
something like that, I'm takingcare of that and just kind of
prepping for the summer when westart kind of working on
remodeling some of the existingplaces that we have, and I'm
(44:11):
just taking this time to likelearn and just kind of soak in
everything real estate agentwise.
And so my day, pretty much, Iwake up about 7 am 10 30.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
No, stop that.
Tell the people the truth.
I'm telling the people thetruth.
I'm telling the people thetruth.
I wake up at 7 am with my wifewho's getting up.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I get her set up, get her sent off.
I'm usually at my computer andthis season that I'm in, right
now, I'm at my computer at 8 amI'm checking at the MLS,
checking out all the checking myemails, trying to get ahead of
any kind of real estate agentstuff that I have.
Then I write my to-do list forthe day and I start on property
management stuff, cause I liketo get that knocked out of the
(44:58):
way in the morning so I can workon agent stuff in the afternoon
.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
What's the most difficult thing about managing
properties?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
People.
People is the most rewardingand most difficult thing about
it.
Because it's difficult becauseyou have a lot of different
personalities and you know it'sunderstandable because it's
there especially cause most ofthe majority of ours is
commercial.
This is their livelihoods, sothis is how they support their
(45:25):
family, everything.
And so if you know if there's alease coming up and there's a
rent increase or something likethat, like it's a hard
conversation.
It's a hard conversation tohave and though you deal with a
lot of difficult personalities,but it's also rewarding because
(45:46):
you can help these people andtypically you know we're under
your market rent in Johnsboroand so we actually have quite a
few happy tenants because we'reable to give them affordable
rent and allow them to like havetheir business and be a
(46:08):
successful business, not just abreak-even business.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
What are some of the trends in the market that you're
seeing in 2024?
If someone was looking to buyor sell a house right now, is it
a good time or no?
Speaker 2 (46:20):
It's getting better.
I do believe it's gettingbetter and it's gonna continue
to get a little bit better.
I don't think they're gonna see.
You know, we're not gonna see,of course, your 2% or your 3%,
probably again for a very, verylong time.
I got mine, that's all I'msaying, that's it, but you're
gonna see.
I mean, you're gonna see sixes,you're gonna see fives, you
might see high fours.
(46:41):
Maybe We'll see how that goes,but you know, it's definitely
looking better, I think by thesummertime, you know, when
things start warming up.
I think the market's gonna heatup a lot more, and so that'll
just be good for everybody.
That'll be good for agents,that'll be good for buyers,
that'll be good for sellers.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, coming from the perspective of a potential
buyer, if I'm somebody let's sayI'm already a homeowner, I've
got 10K that I want to do with.
Like I want to make atransaction.
Is that enough to get startedon getting a property of some
sort?
Like, is it enough to get aplot of land?
Is that enough for a downpayment?
(47:24):
Like, what would somebody thatis in the interest of buying a
property?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Income producing or.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, so let's say I make 100K, I got 10K cash.
What can I get with that?
Like, what are some steps thatyou would get me if I wanted to
get a plot of land for, let'ssay, three acres?
Like, what are the steps thatyou would say Devin?
This is my advice to you andthis is how you're gonna get
there.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
First thing I'm hooking you up with is a slick
lender, cause technically Ican't give financial advice
because I'm just a real estateagent.
So I get you hooked up with alender who can hook you up with,
and I get you with a nicelender too.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, but you said you wanted to know it all.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So what would it take for you to become a lender Like
you need a lot of bankingexperience, like understanding
loans and like, don't get mewrong, I understand.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Is that something that you would consider wanting
to do Like?
Is that under the umbrella oflearning at all to you?
Speaker 2 (48:27):
For sure.
I probably won't ever work at abank and become a mortgage
officer or anything like that,but I think I'm going to, in
this transactional like seasonthat I'm in, learning the
billing and real estate agent.
You work very closely withlenders, very closely, so
learning the ins and outs of theloan, learning the creative
ways of riding alone and youknow working a deal that's the
(48:49):
stuff that I'm gonna be learning.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah.
So, going back to my question,what are some advice?
So you'd hook me up with alender.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
And have you done that before?
Like if someone come to youwith advice and you've hooked
them up with a lender, and whatdoes it look like after that as
far as getting a property,because you are an agent, right?
So, like if I came to you andsaid, hey, patrick, this is what
I want.
Obviously, okay, the lendingpart, but what would it look
like if I wanted to get threeacres?
Like, would you just show medifferent properties around town
(49:21):
?
Like, what's the process?
Like, cause I've only I boughta house, obviously, so I've had
a real estate agent before afamily friend here in town, but
what would that process looklike?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
So lender's gonna help you find out what you can
afford.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Lender.
Once we know what you canafford, what the loan, what loan
they can hook you up with,we're gonna start looking at
properties, we're gonna startlooking at land and we're gonna
start looking at, we're gonnastart talking to you about, all
right, what do you want to dowith this property?
Cause we're like, you'retalking raw land, so what do you
want to turn it into?
You want to build a home there?
Or you wanting to put a minimall, like?
(49:57):
And then, once we kind of getyour goal, we're gonna start
looking at locations.
And then, when we start lookingat locations, we're gonna look
at the quality of land.
Does this land need to bedeveloped?
Does this land need to beleveled?
Does it already have utilities?
Does it already have access toall that stuff?
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, I mean, I think for me my personal goal is I
would want to put some kind ofsmall house or something on it,
but I would want, I want to.
This might sound dumb, but likeI want like fruit trees or like
I want some kind of like girlthat does not sound dumb at all
I mean, that's just we are inthe generation where all we eat
is plastic, Exactly Witheverything we eat has plastic in
(50:38):
it.
I'm telling you like the more Ido research and the more that I
research food and things likethat, the more I want to be able
to grow like organic foods,that I know that nothing's been
touched on it and you know it'snot been sprayed with all kinds
of stuff Like I want nature'scandy, so like apple trees and
(50:58):
whatever other fruits andvegetables I could muster up is
something that I would want toput on there.
So that's like my goal.
Like that's just my personalgoal.
Obviously, if I had like adream thing that I could do with
a property, I think longterm Iwould want to have some kind of
event venue, like in the next 10to 15 years.
(51:21):
Like that's a goal of mine.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
That'd be sick for you honestly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
I don't like being in the industry and seeing the
things that do work and thethings that don't work.
I'm like man, I could do thatbetter.
You know what I mean.
So maybe I get a lender on thepodcast and I just see, like,
what the steps are to try to getto being able to get something
like that.
I got you Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I got the dude for you right off the bat.
Yeah, my boy Pedro.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell Pedro this is my campaign
to get Pedro on the podcast.
I want to talk, and that's onecool thing about doing this is
that you get to talk to a lot ofpeople from a lot of different
walks of life, and not only am Ibeing able to provide value to
a lot of different people thatmay want to do these jobs, I'm
(52:11):
answering my own questions thatI might be curious about.
Like I'm legitimately curioushow I'm going to make these
goals line come true, and justlike making that fried chicken
dude, I'm just setting the goal,I'm accomplishing it and I'm
moving on to the next one.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
That's it, dude, and you're honest, I'm real bummed
out.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
I didn't get to try the fried chicken, though, dude,
I promise you I've got picturesof me like preparing and
everything I still got.
The girls were super happy withit, so it was is one of those
things?
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Did they eat it?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Hey, that's what's up .
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to getkids to eat anything it is.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
But you know I knew something that they would be
down for, because it's somethingthey always eat at my parents'
house.
And you know one thing thatpeople always ask me like hey,
devin, why are you still aroundJones bro?
That sort of thing.
And as I've gotten older, it isso much more important for me
to be able to really soak in andenjoy those moments with my
parents, make sure that my kidsare around my parents so they
(53:08):
have a good memory andrelationship with their
grandparents, and it was a wayfor me to, in my mom, to be able
to bond.
I'm learning a new skill andI'm making sure that I'm not
taking any of these moments inmy 30s that I'm having with my
parents my healthy parents forgranted.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
You know, as weird as I feel like these generations
like kind of ours, andespecially this next generation,
is still like they're startingto walk backwards in time, I
feel like everybody's startingto kind of transition like we
miss the authenticity, we missthe life away from technology,
we miss we miss like being likecompounding, being on family
compounds is a growing thing.
(53:47):
It's a growing trend.
Now it's even something thatI'm interested in and you know,
no matter how I ever feel aboutJonesboro which I love Jonesboro
but if I was to hate JonesboroI don't think I'd ever leave,
because my people, my family,are here and I just always want
to be around that village and Iwant my daughter to always be
around that village.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
One thing I'll always tell people when they're
getting ready to like oh, I wantto do this or I want to do that
.
I'm like dude, you can travelto anywhere you want in the
world, but there's only going tobe a few places or one place
that you consider home.
And I like being home, man, Ilike being around my people, I
like growing my village, I likemy friends and things like that,
(54:29):
and we can go on a triptogether.
But ultimately, like I want tobe, I want to be home.
And the cool thing aboutpodcasting is like I can get my
message out to everybody in theworld and I can be wherever I
need to be doing it.
So it's a cool thing, for sure.
But, yeah, absolutely TellPedro that I need to get him on
(54:49):
the I'll send him a text rightnow.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, well, as soon as we get off here, I'll send
him a text, yeah yeah, yeah forsure.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
So, Patrick, is there anything else that you want the
listeners to know about you,your career, before?
Speaker 2 (55:03):
we let you go here.
Yeah, if you're interested inbuying or selling a home or
anything you know, holler at me.
I'm new, but I've got enougheducation and learning, some
more experience in terms of howa home is supposed to be built
and looked, so that I could be areally useful asset.
And so holler at me and let mehelp you.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, so the last thing we like to do is like the
end of all of our episodes with.
This is the roadmap.
This is if you want to dosomething like Patrick is doing
or something similar, Patrick,will you give us your most
efficient way to become a realestate agent and or property
manager?
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Ooh, most efficient way to become a real estate
agent or a property manager.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, we want to get it out there to where?
Okay, you know there's a lot ofdifferent ways to do this.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
But this is the way that I would do it if I could do
it again.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Honestly, if you want to become a real estate agent,
the first thing you do is, like,you find a real estate agent.
A lot of these guys will getyou in touch with their
brokerage.
Their brokerages sometimesoffer like plans to kind of get
you through the schooling,because you have to take like 60
hours or something like thatand you can do that even online
now through the CE shop andstuff, and that's how I did it
(56:22):
at least.
And then you take your test andboom, you're a real estate
agent.
And then you get to be with abrokerage and learn and do all
that.
Becoming a property managerthere is I kind of had a
loophole because my family, it'stheir properties and so legally
I can manage their properties.
But if you're wanting to manageother people's properties, you
(56:45):
have to be a part of a brokerageor you know, and.
But if you want to learn how tomanage those properties, get
into, like, get intoconstruction, get into getting
in, getting, get into learningeven the smallest things, like
you could even start off atframing and you go to any
(57:05):
contractor around a good jobsite.
They're probably looking forsomebody looking for good work
and so get some experiencelearning.
You know how that's supposed tobe done.
Start reading books.
Bigger pockets is a big, bigplace that I go to for reading
books on kind of learning how adeal is supposed to be done,
(57:25):
types of deals that can be done.
You know.
Learn people, de-escalation,all that good stuff.
Learn negotiation and you know,just being around real estate
agents, being aroundconstruction, all that stuff
will kind of help lead you andprepare you for all that.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
No, I think that's really good advice and that's
something that I didn't eventhink of.
As far as the construction,learning the skills that you're
going to need to be able tomanage those properties is going
to set you up for being in thatrole when the opportunity does
present itself.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, now remember real quick just to be cause you
got your normal propertymanagers.
They're not like me.
Normal property managers don'tusually get hands on.
They hire maintenance workers.
I do it all, and so that's kindof the.
I'm sure there's others outthere that can do it all, but so
(58:22):
I may not be giving the bestadvice.
That's just the advice that youknow.
That would make sense for mebecause in my opinion I value a
manager who's going tounderstand how to do it all.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
And that's the thing, man.
Everybody has a unique journeyand as a unique perspective that
they can give and this is yoursto somebody that is inspired by
your story, to kind of get intothe field that you're doing.
Patrick, I appreciate you beingon the here, man.
Seriously, every time that weget to sit down and chop it up
(58:54):
is a blessing, and I reallyappreciate the conversation that
we get to have and I appreciateyou.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
I appreciate you letting me come on here and talk
about nonsense that I don'tknow, and you know I appreciate
your friendship, brother.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
No problem, brother.
Guys, I hope you guys haveenjoyed the episode with Patrick
Patterson today.
He inspired me, as he alwaysdoes, and I hope he inspired you
as well.
So, if you guys would beinclined, just follow us on
social media, subscribe towherever you get podcasts, and
we will be back next Thursdaywith a brand new episode.
(59:33):
Until next time, peace.
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