Who Doesn't Love a Messy Bitch?

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Delilah Green Doesn't Care... or does she? Join Haley and Dee on this romp through Bright Falls, Oregon for an almost wedding, childhood enemies to lovers, grumpy/sunshine, one bed trope, hell of a good time. They talk about dive bars, big city vs small town hook up culture, body insecurities, healing your inner child, and steamy WLW spice in their debut episode all about Delilah Green Doesn't Care by Ashley Herring Blake. Because who doesn't love a messy bitch?

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Queer lit, no chill.
Some crumbs of academia, mostlychaos.
If queer lit is your lovelanguage, we're fluent.
Heads up, babes, we're not hereto tease.
We spill everything.

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Listener discretion is stronglyencouraged, but honestly, you
knew that.
Welcome to Clitterature thePodcast.
All right, guys, it's our firstepisode.
We're talking about DelilahGreen Doesn't Care, which is

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Ashley Herring Blake's firstadult novel that she wrote in
2022.
It was published in 2022.
It's part of the Bright Fallsseries.
There are three books in thatseries, and they're all
fantastic.
So if you haven't picked up theother two after you've read
Delilah Green, go ahead and dothat.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Yeah, so good.
It's about Delilah Green, andshe gets booked to be her

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stepsister's weddingphotographer, estranged
stepsister.
Very estranged.
Yeah.
And so she's going home to herhometown.
And it's all about all of thehijinks that happen when she
gets there.
The other point of view, becauseit's alternating point of view
is Claire, who is our bisexualbookstore owner.
We stand a bisexual.
We stand a bisexual, especiallyif they are a bookstore owner,

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because we love books.
She's fantastic.
She's a mom.
And it's all about theirinteraction.
And you know, like shenanigans,shenanigans.
Who doesn't love a shenanigan?
Everybody loves a shenanigan.
Also should mention Claire isher stepsister's best friend.
Oops.
Oops.

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It's a lot of fun.
So it's like a, it's not a, it'snot an enemies to lover.
It's more of like a friend of myenemies to lover.
Right.
Because Astrid and Delilah donot jihaw.
No, absolutely not.

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No.

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Also shout out to Kristen D.
Mercurio, who narrated the audiobook version of the entire
Bright Falls series.
She could read a phone book andI'd probably buy that.
So.

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Yeah, she has a fantastic voice.
And I love that I have listenedand read all three of them.
books because I will listenduring the day and read at night
when you know my wife and kidare going to sleep.
Anyway I read on my Kindle atnight but when I listen she has
such distinct character voicesfor every single character and
it carries over throughout theentire series.

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Very very on point the entire time.
Oh yeah.
Keeps it the same and I listenedto it not long after it was
released and I honestly had tolike stop it in traffic because
I almost rear-ended someonebecause I got a Spicy scene.
Yeah.
Spicy scenes are great.
Just a little disclaimer.
If you're going to listen to itin the car, be forewarned.

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So listen or read.
We love Ashley Herring Blake.
Yes.
We actually got to attend a booksigning for her new book, Dream
on Ramona Riley, not too longago, which is where we snagged
the title for this episode.
Who doesn't love a messy bitch?
Who

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doesn't love a messy bitch?
Everybody loves a messy

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bitch.
Everybody does because she wastalking about Delilah and
Delilah is...
as you'll find out

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a little bit messy a little bit messy we're all a
little messy but i reallyenjoyed the way that she talked
about her characters and the waythat she writes her characters
because she was talking abouthow she cannot write a character
until she figures out theirtrauma like we all have trauma
and most of the decisions thatwe make every day are based in
whatever has hurt us and so shewas like what hurt you you know

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like who hurt you and then onceshe figures that out now i'm
gonna write a book about itright like who who hurt you but
like once she figures out theirtrauma and like where their
decision making is like I don'tknow like where it stems from
then it's really easy to writethat character and I feel like
that's really relevant

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and not just write that character but a very
well-rounded fleshed outbelievable like you could know
this person

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absolutely yeah because we do make decisions
based on some like things thathave hurt us in the past or like
that's how we learn so I waslike oh I'm not gonna do that
again or you know like you getin a cycle and it's like you
can't get out but I

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think the books that I like the most are the
characters that I end up wantingto be friends with before the
end of the book and I reallywanted to be in this friend
group yeah by the end of it

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and now like now we know that there's only three
books it's tied up you know it'sdone I still want to know what's
going on yeah I still thinkabout like where you know where
Delilah and Claire where's Iriswhere's Astrid you know you get
snippets because you get thenext two books Astrid yeah
speaking of Astrid yeah we inthe very beginning we get to see

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Delilah you know waking up inthis like random apartment
because she's getting a phonecall from her sister who she
spells A-S-S dash T-R-I-T who

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she also describes as like an American Cate
Blanchett except more stick upyour ass and less queen of
bisexuals which

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I mean

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yeah it

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tracks yeah it tracked definitely tracks and I
love Cate Blanchett so I meanthat kind of goes to show why I
do think that I love Astrid alittle bit more than the others
I love Iris but Astrid might beAstrid's your girl she's my girl
she's your girl she is my girl Ican't help it you know sometimes
you just yeah yeah I guess we'llhave to talk about that when we
talk about Astrid's book butyeah but yeah so we see her in

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this freaking you know darkapartment her phone's going off
she doesn't want to answer itbecause it's her estranged
stepsister and she only ever youknow argues with her or whatever
she

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avoids her she's also waking up in a bed with
someone she She is struggling toremember their name.
Yes.
Lena, Lilith,

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Lena.
Any L name.

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Yeah.
She calls her every single Lname except.
Spoiler alert.
It's Lorelai, but she never getsthere.

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Never gets there.
You know, but I, it just, Iloved it.
It sets us up to know thatDelilah is detached emotionally.
She loves anonymous hookups.
You know, the hookup culture ishuge, but also she's living in
New York city.
And so it makes me think aboutlike hookup culture and like
anonymous sex in New York Citywould be so different than it

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would be where we live becausewe live in like small town well
not small town but like smalltown Alabama relative to New
York it's like a tiny yeah youknow pipsqueak and we can't have
like I feel like the webs we be

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a weaving

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no I mean like either your friends know them or
they dated them or they sleptwith them or you know you work
with them or you run into themat Trader Joe's you have the
same dentist yeah you I mean,it's so small.
There's no way.
I mean, maybe there is.
And if there is, and you're fromour town.
Congratulations.
Yeah.
Congratulations.
Like hit us up with some

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comments.

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Because I don't know how you're doing it, but like, I
like, it just blows my mind.
And I mean, I love it.
I love it for New York.
And that's one of the reasonsthat I love New York city, not
hookup culture, but just the,like being able to be anonymous.
Yeah.
And nobody knows who you are andnobody cares what you're doing.
Like nobody cares, but like,you'll never

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see these people again.

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Yeah.
If we're running around like,trying to have anonymous sex
where we are like we're gonna beadded to prayer lists like
preachers are gonna be preachingabout us you know listen

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at least this is better than where i grew up
where you had to double checkthey weren't your cousin okay oh

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my

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god you're welcome okay yeah it's better than that
It's better than that.
So yeah, we've established thehookup situation to begin with.
She does end up going to BrightFalls or back to Bright Falls to
do this wedding.

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Not because she wants to, but because she needs
to get that money.
You know what I mean?
Girl gotta make that paper,boo-boo.
We respect it.
She's gotta make rent.
And you know, I guess like asmall piece of her is like, I
should probably be there forAstrid's wedding.
But she will never admit thatthough.
Yeah.
And Astrid did use her dead dadas like a bargaining chip
because she was like, I mean,mom said that dad would really

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want you to be there and soDelilah

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that was something that surprised me but also
didn't was the fact that theyboth shared similar trauma in
that they had both lost a parentyeah and instead of bonding over
that yeah it almost pushed themapart they were very different
and teenagers

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different and young and like coping in different
ways just it's rough it's rough

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yeah so she gets back to Bright Falls she goes to
the local tavern the only tavernthe only tavern Stella's Stella
That sounds like a hootin' goodtime.
It

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does.
We have a

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Stella's in town,

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but

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our

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Stella's is a lot different than this

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Stella's.
Much different.
No sawdust on the floor.
No, I picture it like a honkytonk.
That's what

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I picture a Stella's as.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because they, I mean, it saysthat it smells like stale beer
and like cheap perfume.
Yeah.
Which honestly sounds like avibe.
There's someone with a lot of

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blue eyeshadow line dancing in a corner.

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Absolutely.
I guarantee you.
I mean, I would be down forthat.
I want to visit that place.
Oh, absolutely.
It doesn't exist, but I'm sureit exists somewhere.
If they have a karaoke night,

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I'm there.
Oh, we're there for sure.
100%.
Yeah.
Nothing gets me there likekaraoke with 90s country songs.
What's your go-to karaoke song?
It's not 90s country.
It's actually Yeah by Usher.
Of course it is.
After that, it's any 90s countrysong.

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Absolutely.
Because, I mean, as it shouldbe, especially in a place like
that.

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Yeah.
Right.
Of course.
I don't think they would knowwhat to do if I broke out the
Usher at Stella's.

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No.

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You'd get a lot of weird looks.
The funniest thing at Stella's,though, is that Claire gets
dared to go hit on someone inthe bar

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because it's been a while and her bff iris who i
love is pushy iris theinstigator oh my god she's so
boisterous and funny and likemouthy which i identify with i
mean honestly yeah but her beinglike we've got to get you laid
so standing up and announcing ityeah the bar absolutely claire
needs to get laid who who's ataker we need to take her for

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and i mean obviously claire is asmoke show um yeah you know but
she knows everybody she's likewell she's a kindergarten
teacher at the high, you know,and like, she's a cousin.
When the kindergarten teacher is

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giving you eyes though.
I mean, I mean, she soundedpretty cute, but in walks
Delilah green.
Oh man.
In her tight jeans.
But Claire doesn't know it'sDelilah.
She doesn't because it's beenfive years.
Delilah has grown up.
It may have been longer.
They didn't specify, but I feellike it could have been longer
since Claire had seen her.

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Right.

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It's

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been five years since Delilah has been in town.
Yeah.
So we don't know if Claire sawher five years ago, but still
she's like tatted

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up.
High school artsy Delilah.
is nowhere to be seen right andtatted up smoke show Delilah
walks into Stella's yeah andClaire

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she's like that one

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that

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one that one that one's it I'm gonna go hit on her
and Iris is like heck yeah I sawher too go for it girl go

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for it and Delilah knows who she is yeah Delilah
knows who

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Claire

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is and plays a little game with her that was
quite entertaining

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it was super cute I really enjoyed it

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I really part of me kind of wish to see where that
had gone but just like you'llsee throughout the rest of the
book here comes

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Astrid Astrid Extra just interjects at the worst
moments ever.
But...
Yeah.
So they have their cute littlemeet cute and they're flirty
flirty.
And then Astrid butts in andClaire's like, oh my God, it's
Delilah.
I've been hitting on Delilahthis whole time.
And Delilah's just smilingbecause she knew it the whole

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time and like love seeing herClaire, you know, squirm.
But yeah, so they know whoeverybody is and they're
Delilah's

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covers blown.

SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
Yeah.
Delilah's covers blown.
And she's like, okay, yeah, I'mthe photographer.
She gives, you know, as her areally hard time about you know
showing up for all the eventsbut this is where Claire you
know she's already gotten alittle a little bit a little
taste of it yeah butterflies inher stomach so also though

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we have to give Claire props she gave as good as
she got in that little situationyeah girl can flirt

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she can flirt like looking through her eyelashes
you know she

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also flirted while basically threatening to help
Delilah join a cult which if youcan flirt with a cult more power
to you I mean if anybody startstalking about a cult

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I'm immediately going to be drawn in.
And they're going to brand aunicorn on my ass.
Yes.
Sign me up.
Let's go.
Whatever you want.
Yeah, I'm down.
I'm so down.

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I do think that it's funny later on when they get
kind of farther into the weddingactivities.
Yeah.
And we meet Claire's daughter,Ruby.
Yeah.
Claire talks about how she oftenthought about Delilah while Ruby
was growing up.
Yeah.
Because Ruby's artsy and alittle bit different and kind of
likes to be in her head.
Yeah.
reminded Claire a lot of a youngDelilah.

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Right.
And I think that that wasreally, really sweet for one
thing, but also kind of showedthat I think out of the three,
out of Iris, Astrid, and Claire,Claire was probably the one that
was most observant of what wasgoing

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on when they were kids.
And empathetic, like actuallycared.
I know it talks about Irismaking jokes and calling her
what, like the ghoul of WisteriaHouse.
Right.
Because she was just quiet andlike always around the corner or
like watching them play or likehang out yeah because you know
kids are kids and they're gonnamake fun of things that are
different but it does talk abouthow claire would like ask her if

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she was okay or like you knowoffer her a cookie like whatever

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to include her in whatever

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yeah just like more empathetic about her being left
out which you know tracks whenshe has a daughter that is a
little bit different yeah thatshe would see that in her

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and i think i mean i kind of felt a little bit of the
same you know growing up yeahbeing artsy being a Yeah, for
sure.

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to draw her a tattoo

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yeah and teaching her how to yeah teaching her how
to take photos because I feellike there was there was a
definite moment that it talksabout after she has been trying
to teach Ruby how to take photosand Ruby is asking her to go on
a camping trip they share a hugit says that the girl like hugs
her and you can just as you'rereading like see Delilah freeze

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because she's not used to thatkind of intimacy with anyone so
the fact that Ruby's just sograteful that she's been
spending this time with her andgiving her that attention is so
sweet and then it says somethinglike decades of anxiety leaves
Delilah's body and she

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healed she healed her own yeah it's like trauma
yeah that interaction and I alsothink that for me at least part
of what I strive to be as anadult and as a queer out adult
yeah is to be the person that Ineeded when I was a kid when I
was growing up when I wasfiguring out my sexuality and
just figuring out the world as ateenager which is yeah a trip

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and I really strive to be theadult that I wanted in my life
for all the kids that are in myown life yeah so to see that
written on a page was reallyinspiring

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yeah I mean if you could hug yourself as a small as
a child if you could go back asan adult and be like I
understand everything thatyou're going through and I'm
just gonna wrap you up and letyou feel safe and tell you it's
gonna be okay yeah I mean I feellike everybody would pay money
to do that.
Well, I am.
It's called therapy.
It's called therapy.
Yeah, I am.

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I am paying money to hug mysmall child self.
To hug my inner child.
Yeah, to hug my inner child forsure.
Oh, my God.
I mean, we just didn't likegrowing up.
I don't I don't think we have totalk about how old we are on
this podcast.
But growing up, we didn't haveas much representation in media.
Oh, for sure.
As we do now.
I feel like there are so manymore books, so many more like

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movies, TV shows that you can goand watch if you want to see
yourself represented in movies.
And I remember

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walking into the bookstore because I spent a lot
of time in bookstores.
Yeah.
And I remember walking in everytime I'd walk into a bookstore,
I would try to find somethingqueer.
Yeah.
Anything.
Yeah.
I could get my hands on.

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Yeah.

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Most of the time it was in a self-help section
somewhere.
Yeah.
It wasn't great.

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It was like how parents talk to their queer
children or something like that.
But there wasn't real

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fiction.
Yeah.
On the shelves.
Absolutely.
At a bookstore.
And I remember the first time,it was a couple of years ago, I
walked into like a Barnes andNoble.
Yeah.
And there was a whole section ofqueer books.
Yeah.
Like queer fiction.
Yeah.
Everything.

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Anything you could want now, you know,

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you can find it.
And I just, like my heartexploded.
Yeah.
Because I was like, we've comeso far and I'm so happy that
kids growing up nowadays havemore access to seeing themselves
represented

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absolutely I mean when when I was I was in college
when I came out I was a latebloomer I think I was 20 21 no I
was definitely 21 when I cameout and started dating slow down
grandma I know right I feel likethat's a late bloomer I like
looking back I was obviouslyqueer AF like younger but there
was I was raised in a smallAlabama town like there was

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nobody that looked like thatthat weren't absolutely
ostracized yeah but you know yougrow up you go to college and
you're like fucking i'm gonna dowhat i want you know i feel like
this is what i need to do so i'mgonna do it and i remember
making my male straight roommatewatch all of the l word with me
because that's all that therewas like i had no there was
nothing else and i was like idon't know how to hit on a woman

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that's not all there was i don'ti

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mean that's all i thought that there was there was
fan fiction you just hadn'tfound it yet that's so true
because that's where while youwere making him watch Reading
every bit of sapphic fanfiction, I could get my hands

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up.
I feel like the fact that youwent to an all-girls college
just leans into your queerness.
Like, I feel like that's justlike another step on the ladder
to where you are now.
Yeah, I

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didn't think that through all the way when I was
like, I want to go to thisall-girls college and be a good
little...
So good.
A good little southern girl.
A religious college.
Religious college, yeah.
Oh my god, yeah.
Woo! mistakes were made but werethey oh but were they yeah but
the hours i spent in my dormroom reading buffy fan fiction
willow and tara specificallythat's so sweet uh i mean just

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hundreds of hours i probablywould have had a higher gpa if
it wasn't for fan fiction ishould have wrote my
dissertation on fan

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fiction you should have

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or

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my capstone there's still time there's still time go
back the world needs that

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right for sure so yeah we digress but they yeah it
was sweet watch watching themand watching Delilah kind of
heal part of herself yeah and Ithink it was really sweet
hearing Claire's point of viewof observing this yeah and
having all this worry about herdaughter growing up and fitting
in and trying to be a mom for adaughter she didn't 100%

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identify with or understand andnow there is an adult in her
life who can do that and I thinkthe relief that she felt

SPEAKER_00 (19:08):
absolutely around

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that and shout out to Josh Ruby's dad and Claire's
ex he handled all of that like achamp he is a screw up but the
most lovable one

SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
yeah and i mean like they were super i think they
were in high school they were inhigh school and claire got
pregnant and they just gotmarried because that's what you
do you know you know they weredoing their best but they were

SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
as you know where they are in this book they're in
a really good spot and he issuper supportive

SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
and all you can do is keep trying and i feel like
all he did was just continue tokeep trying like you get
overwhelmed you run away whetherit's physically or mentally he
literally He literally ran awaymultiple times, but he kept
coming back and he kept tryingand he's a really good dad.
And I feel like he does need thebenefit of the doubt because he

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was a sweetheart.
On the polar opposite side ofthat,

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we have Spencer.

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Oh,

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God.

SPEAKER_00 (20:00):
Spencer.

SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
Astrid's fiance, who the only one who could probably
top Astrid and her mother,Isabel, who we haven't gotten to
yet, is Spencer.
Or as my favorite character,Iris, refers to him, Shit Boots.
Shit Boots.
boot

SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
yeah really any shit shit any article of

SPEAKER_01 (20:17):
clothing shit shoe

SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
yeah no I love that

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shit boot yeah

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shit boot really takes the cake

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and

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at one point

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they kind of band together Claire and Iris and
Delilah to break up thisengagement because they they see
clearly that Spencer is not agood guy for

SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
Astrid well I mean let's talk about Astrid for a
minute Astrid it says that she'suptight which is true but if you
know her mother then youunderstand why she's uptight she
comes by that one yeah honestshe's like you know we talked
about the fact that her dadpassed away and she had to kind
of fill a void when it came toher mom because all of her

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attention went to astrid andthat woman has a lot of
attention she is a very detailoriented but she was very much a
character that you could seeimmediately was much more
interested in appearances andnot so interested in reality
reality or like emotions or likehow you're feeling about it if
everybody thought that you wereokay then you were okay

SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
burner which is not okay um appearances have to look
perfection

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yeah perfection doesn't exist and this was a

SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
dream marriage to isabel

SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
right it was all everything on paper was
absolutely perfect he was adentist right or like a doctor i
think he was a dentist itdoesn't matter how memorable he
was yeah he just sucked ingeneral but he was a dentist he
had a really great careereverybody in town liked him he
was good looking he wore likedesigner clothing he drove a
nice car like

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sneaker sneakers on a camping trip

SPEAKER_00 (21:45):
which is ridiculous but yeah this guy really really
sucked and the friends obviouslysaw that hated that but didn't
know how to tell astrid becausehow do you tell

SPEAKER_01 (21:55):
your best friend that hey this guy that you say
you're in love with and aremarrying and gonna spend the
rest of your life with we hatehim a shit boot

SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
yeah we hate him he's a shit boot we don't want
anything to do with him i don'tknow and they know how important
it is to astrid to make hermother proud of her and nothing
is making her prouder than thismarriage this guy yeah that's
such a hard place to be in butwe get to see astrid's character
arc throughout the book becauseshe finally she slowly gets yeah
she gets there she understandsand she they don't even it's not

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even the friends that make hercome around she sees it on her
own and makes that decision onher own and then confronts her
mom about it yeah which is ahuge turning point in the book
for not only astrid but alsodelilah

SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
absolutely because their stories are very much
intertwined as far as dealingwith isabel yeah and the fallout
of being in such close proximityto her right your entire life
yeah so as much attention asIsabel puts on Astrid right she
put no attention yeah on toDelilah right except to treat

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Delilah like she gets in the way

SPEAKER_00 (22:59):
yeah like that I you know stepdaughter like the she's
the iconic stepmother inCinderella you know

SPEAKER_01 (23:06):
for sure picture poster child of evil stepmothers
I do think and not to take upfor Isabel because she is
garbage most of the But I dothink that it would be tough to
have this reminder of thishusband that you lost.
And it's just not the firsthusband that she's lost.
No, this was the second husband.
Yeah.
But now you have this reminderand it's a teenager that you

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don't understand.
Again, you know, she was, youknow, kind of artsy and out
there and the exact opposite.
The epitome of black sheep.
For sure.

SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
Yeah.
And so.
And Duggar hills in on that too.
Like she wouldn't wear thedresses.
She wouldn't go to the cocktailparties.
She wouldn't go, you know, andthen there's Astrid who's like
this perfect child.
that's going to do anything thatshe can to make her mom proud
and Delilah's like no thanksI'll be at home yeah

SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
cool peace

SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
out

SPEAKER_01 (23:51):
yeah y'all have fun with that yeah but yeah I think
you know it would have beentough for Isabel but she
definitely made some choicesthat were not not great when it
came to the mothering side ofthings and did not take the
calling off of this marriagewell at

SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
all no I do like Ashley Herring Blake if you're
listening I do think that thereis room for a revisit for the
mom okay like let can we get her

SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
redemption art

SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
yeah like or like get her laid or like something
that

SPEAKER_01 (24:21):
helped a lot I didn't think of that

SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
yeah I feel like she's uptight because she is
uptight you know what I meanlike come on like she needs a
little bit of something and weonly get the negative side of
her and like you said you weretalking to all of us about how
you write your characters youknow what her trauma is and so I
know you know can we get like anovella that's just The Isabella

(24:45):
novella.
Yeah.
Isabelle Parker Green.
We need to know.
We

SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
need to

SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
know.
We need to know about it.
Okay.
I feel like, I feel like itwould make, it would tie up a
lot of loose ends in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
I do.
I wasn't surprised with the waythat everything went down with
Astrid and her mom and Delilahand calling the wedding off.
No.
It didn't shock me that Astridlashed out at Delilah.
Right.
Because she was feeling prettyshitty about her situation.
Yeah.
And that's how she literallystumbles in and finds Claire and
Delilah together.

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together making out in herchildhood bedroom yeah uh which
is a little awkward reading herjournal

SPEAKER_00 (25:19):
reading yeah reading astrid's journals but that gave
her insight that she didn't knowand we needed that growth moment
or they never would have beenable to full circle come back
together and like be sweetsisters

SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
those journals were delilah's awakening into
astrid's point of view right ofthis entire childhood and then
growing up together and how itreally shows how two people in
the exact same situation canhave two completely different
experiences very oppositeexperience right and really
misunderstand each other and howcommunication could have

(25:52):
hopefully fixed or probably

SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
right because Delilah was like she never
includes me she doesn't want mearound she hates me her friend
was like

SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
I just asked her to come watch TV with

SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
me and she says no she keeps shutting me out
shutting and you know like youcan only ask someone so many
times before you get tired ofbeing rejected yeah and you just
move on and you just move on andthen maybe it does look like
you're leaving them out butyou've been told no so many
times you know and I they wereboth dealing with losing their
parents in different ways yeahand you know no fault on either

(26:22):
side but I feel like theirchildhood could have been so
much easier if they'd just beenable to talk about it

SPEAKER_01 (26:27):
yeah I think they both were very lonely and in
very sad and stressfulsituations

SPEAKER_00 (26:32):
yeah very isolated

SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
and could have leaned on each other but kind of
did the opposite but at least asadults they came around and it
had to happen while Astridwalked in on her maybe out with
her best friend.
You know.
Wait, we got to back up.

SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
We do.
Can we talk about like we haveto talk about Claire.
We have to talk about the spice.
Like we have to.
Girl.
Girl.
Girl.
So good.

SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Right.
Well, I can't.
We can't start talking about thespice without talking about
Claire's vibrator.
Oh, yeah.
So at one point during thewedding that got called off
festivities, they take a girl'strip to a spa as like, I guess
their bachelorette.
party.
Right.
And this was actually one of myfavorite tropes of the entire

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book.
So Astrid forgets to bookDelilah a room.
Right.
Accidentally.
Yeah.
Air quotes.
Yeah.
I mean,

SPEAKER_00 (27:28):
I don't think she was spiteful.
I don't think she was beingspiteful.
She legitimately didn't thinkthat Delilah was going to show
up.

SPEAKER_01 (27:33):
Which given Delilah's track record.
Fair.

SPEAKER_00 (27:35):
Fair.

SPEAKER_01 (27:36):
So Claire valiantly offers her room.
She's like, I volunteer astribute.
Oh, so fast.
Oh

SPEAKER_00 (27:44):
my God.
It's your weekend, Astrid.
You cannot share a room withDelilah this weekend.
I will fall on the sword.

SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
Delilah can sleep in my room with one bed.
With

SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
one bed.
I

SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
think throughout literature, one bed trope is my
favorite.
Yeah.
And I was thinking a lot aboutit specifically in reference to
queer and sapphic books and thisone in general.
And I was like, why is that myfavorite out of everything?
Why do I love a one bed trope somuch?
And I think it's because itmakes me feel slightly nostalgic
for the gay panic you feel as achild yeah having a sleepover at

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your best friend's house or asleepover in general like I can
vividly remember sleeping overat a friend's house and us
sharing her bed yeah and it'scompletely childlike platonic
innocent yeah tonic but notknowing why I was laying there
on the verge of an anxietyattack not sleeping one bit

SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
oh my god her arm touched my arm

SPEAKER_01 (28:40):
she is over there snoring yeah like a freight
train and i'm just like hyperaware of every movement every
breath of cricket outside likeeverything yeah and not knowing
why really until later on and ithink that that's kind of why
because in in this situationthey have that same tension that

(29:01):
same anxiety but they know why

SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
they know

SPEAKER_01 (29:04):
why for sure eventually start giving into it
which

SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
is fantastic because delilah's so like cheeky about
everything like oh do we wearunderwear under our robes to go
to our massage like knowing thatClaire's outside like oh my god
is she taking off her underarmis she gonna be naked under that
robe and the thing

SPEAKER_01 (29:19):
that Claire failed to remember when volunteering so
quickly to share a room withDelilah was her little friend
that she packed

SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
her little friend her little friend that she
packed so yeah Delilah her hairwas crazy and she was like oh no
I didn't bring a hair tie andClaire was like go get one out
of my bag and about the timeDelilah opens the suitcase

SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
Claire remembers that she packed her California
Dreaming Malibu Minx hot hotpink vibrator.

SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
I mean, it sounds like a Barbie car.
That's exactly what I thought.
Like it sounds, but also likeI'm intrigued.
Do they really exist?
I don't know.
Let's find

SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
out.
Anything with the word minks inthe title.
Sure.
Okay.
Delilah finds it.
My whole thing

SPEAKER_00 (30:03):
though.
Let's I, who she picks it up.
Like if you find, you have aproblem with, I have an issue
with the fact that Delilah grabsit and just assumes like, like
okay thank assume thateverything is clean and washed
which is great but like even soi would

SPEAKER_01 (30:19):
hope it would be if you're throwing it in there with
like

SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
who knows

SPEAKER_01 (30:22):
your

SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
pajamas she said it was a last minute thought she
could have just grabbed it outof the before she threw it in
the dishwasher i don't know i'mnot saying that it's gross i'm
just saying it is a choice it'sa choice

SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
vibrator up

SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
yeah i'm not gonna go through another woman's purse
i'm not gonna read anybody'stext messages i'm not gonna i'm
not gonna pick up anotherwoman's histories vibrator that
I especially if they're not evenlike my close friend she did say
she had the same one so that'strue I mean good for her and
like the fact in that

SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
moment I could have died of just embarrassment for
Claire so I understand if thathad happened to me in real life
that would be my last moment Iwould have just perished on the
spot never to have breathedagain I

SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
don't think I would have been embarrassed that I had
one in there I would have justbeen like why are you touching
it you know can you please setthat down and back away can you
please not like okay funnythat's a testament to how
different we are yeah like hahayeah I have a vibrator in there
but don't don't pick it up yeahlike I mean maybe that was like
a wink to the fact that theywere about to get a little bit
closer yeah that was she wasn'tafraid to pick up her vibrator

(31:31):
because she was already thinkingabout getting a little closer to
you know that area whatever butstill I but still don't don't
pick up my vibrator if you everif you ever find it

SPEAKER_01 (31:42):
so vibe incident, be damned.
They do get it on.
Not then.

SPEAKER_00 (31:47):
No, they don't.
Astrid's got to

SPEAKER_01 (31:48):
get one more interruption.

SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
Well, Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
I mean, they do have like areally hot makeout session.
Really hot.
And it gets really close.
Like as she's touching the topof her like panty line, Astrid
knocks on the door and is like,oh, Delilah, we found you a
bedroom.
And Delilah's like, thanks.
Thanks so much.
Yeah.

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So whatever.
You did

SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
really like how Delilah was so positive about
claire and her insecurities

SPEAKER_00 (32:16):
i did so yeah well when they finally when they
actually finally sleep togetherthere's a whole moment of
embarrassment and likeinsecurity with claire when she
finally takes all of her clothesoff that she is like thinking
about covering her stomach orlike she even apologizes for how
big her boobs are and i'm likenever say you're sorry like

(32:36):
never apologize for that evernumber one but that's exactly
how delilah reacted too she waslike huh you're they're perfect

SPEAKER_01 (32:43):
but you shouldn't never apologize for your body

SPEAKER_00 (32:45):
never never and like the insecurity of she's like
I've had you know I've had a kidand my body is not the same as
it used to be and I have stretchmarks and you know she had that
moment but in that momentDelilah made her feel so sexy
and was like no like moves herhands don't cover your body let
me look at you because you'reabsolutely glorious like the

(33:05):
epitome of woman I love it somuch every single bit of it
which I mean I understandinsecurity after having a baby
because I have a kid so I Iunderstand that feeling of being
like, wow, my body is not thesame as it used to be.
And I'm having to accept thatand like celebrate it versus
like wishing that I had what Iused to have.
Well,

SPEAKER_01 (33:22):
I think in general, most people, women especially,
have, you know, insecuritiesabout their body from as long as
they can remember.
But it doesn't get any better asyou get older and your body
changes.

SPEAKER_00 (33:34):
Of course not, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
And then you have, you know, add having a child on
top of that with extra changes.
And so I think it was very, Idon't know, empowering for me to
read

SPEAKER_02 (33:44):
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (33:44):
that scene where Delilah was so positive and yeah
just as an observer reading abook it wasn't even anything
happening in real life but yeahit was empowering and kind of
you know uplifting for me toread that and be like yeah my
body's okay

SPEAKER_00 (33:57):
yeah the way it is absolutely like

SPEAKER_01 (33:59):
don't hide it yeah and so I would love to see more
of that more positivity

SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
yeah around it was even like it was really short
too like but but the fact thatit was so small and it made such
an impact on me it just goes toshow that it was very

SPEAKER_01 (34:11):
nonchalant

SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
yeah and it was just like

SPEAKER_01 (34:13):
the words on the page but it really was one of
the like stronger messages thati took out of

SPEAKER_00 (34:18):
this yeah and it was an inner thought in claire's
mind like she didn't even sayanything about her stomach she
did mention like oh my boobs aretoo big or like you know
whatever but when she it wasjust her point of view that
chapter and she was covering herstomach because she was worried
like you know because it eventalked about her having on like
cotton underwear and like thethe fact that she was like
getting into bed with somebodyafter so long and like you know

(34:40):
just thinking about all theidiosyncrasies that go along
with like sharing yourself withsomebody and the vulnerability
that comes along with like

SPEAKER_01 (34:46):
when it has been

SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
wow it's been a minute but also it's a new
person and then you've gotDelilah Green who's like
freaking a goddess and liketatted up and like fit and like
she's got on smoke and she'slike what it was like lavender
lacy underwear or something andthen she was like

SPEAKER_02 (35:01):
of course she does

SPEAKER_00 (35:02):
of course of course she does of course they are
because she's laying there inher like white cotton undies
because she has done laundry youknow yeah exactly but I love
that because it just makes themmore real yeah it was such a
real moment that i reallyenjoyed being you know a fly on
the wall for

SPEAKER_01 (35:18):
yeah i was very like happy that

SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
that also despite that that scene was like an
entire chapter thank you thankyou ashley herring blake it was
marvelous chapter 19 ifanybody's looking but god like
that payoff we didn't get itwhen we were at the spa but we
we had to wait we did we

SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
had to work there were lots of like ups and downs
it was a roller coaster to getthere

SPEAKER_00 (35:40):
but 10 out of 10 would do it again payoff was
there 100 so good good.
So, so good.
Was not sad

SPEAKER_01 (35:44):
about that.
No, it was wonderful.
So we go through all the spice.
We go through the marriagebreaking up.
Yeah.
Tell the truth, honestly.
Okay.
At the end, at the show, the artshow, Delilah's big art show.
Yeah.
Did you think it was going

SPEAKER_00 (35:57):
to be Claire standing there?
No, absolutely not.
I had like, no.
Nobody did.
Nobody did.
I had it completely figured outin my mind.
I was like, okay, they break up.
She's going to show up at theart show.
Tell her that she loves her.
See the picture.
See the photo that she took.
And

SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
Delilah self-portrait yeah like I even
like pictured the dress she wasgonna wear

SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
yeah glasses and her hair's up so cute yeah no I had
no I did not put my money onAstrid showing up

SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
no Astrid showing up at the art show not on my bingo
card not at all one bit but itworked so well it did because I
didn't realize until that pointthat I needed their resolution
as bad as I needed Claire andDelilah to

SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
get right because if you think about it if Astrid and
Delilah weren't able to work outtheir differences then she would
never be able to be withastrid's best friend claire like
there would always be claire

SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
sweet claire would always have a problem

SPEAKER_00 (36:49):
yeah she'd be stuck in the middle there'd always be
a stumbling block

SPEAKER_01 (36:52):
but i think also it shows astrid's growth at this
point to where she realizes thatthey were both guilty

SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (37:00):
and both is at fault in their separation and non you
know relationship to this pointand this is her olive branch
yeah and delilah takes it

SPEAKER_00 (37:10):
yeah i mean she even mentions i've invited you home
for Christmas I've invited youhome for all these holidays but
I've never ever come to visityou in New York yeah this is the
first time that I've come tovisit

SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
and that was huge I think that was huge yeah I loved
them talking about the time thatthey spent together Delilah
describes the time that theyspend together in New York and
that they talked really for thefirst time and so yeah again
where are they now I would loveto know where their friendship
yeah and how close they are grewafter this but that was the step

(37:41):
that we needed to get Delilahand Claire and the big reunion

SPEAKER_00 (37:45):
yeah it was so good it was so good it was so much
better than her showing up at anart show like that would not
have been I love it

SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
like her showing up at the art show would have been
like this big grand gestureright and I think the way that
Delilah did it where she's justsitting in the bookstore yeah
with these photos that she hastaken of all of these people
that Claire loves right andtaking them through her eye of
also growing to love thesepeople at the same time it was a
big moment but it felt so likesoft soft and intimate yeah very

(38:19):
intimate you know not this hugegrand gesture that i thought was
going to happen because delilahis and

SPEAKER_00 (38:24):
also claire like claire even talks when they have
this whole reunion claire she'sstill thinking about what would
be best for delilah the entiretime she's like my life is here
ruby is here josh just built ahouse like i'm here in bright
falls and this is a small townand you in your photography are
and like your career and like Iknow you don't want to be here

(38:46):
and so Delilah is just likesmiling and shaking her head
because she has no idea she'slike Claire you know like I'm

SPEAKER_01 (38:53):
coming here

SPEAKER_00 (38:53):
for you I'm coming here for you I am choosing you
don't you see that I'm choosingyou oh my god just like the best
can I read can I read what shesays because it was so okay it
was so good okay so they're inthe bookstore they're in the
leather seats she's just shownher all of the photos Claire's
already choked up and Delilahsays this is what I want Delilah

(39:14):
said my whole life this is whatI've wanted a best friend
someone who gets me who acceptsme someone who fights like hell
to get me to see that they loveme someone who lets me love them
back someone who's so goddamnbeautiful she makes my toes curl
someone who calls me on mybullshit someone who makes me
laugh someone who makes me lookat her like this and looks at me
the same way someone who who'smy home

SPEAKER_01 (39:36):
it's just so good like it's just

SPEAKER_00 (39:40):
oh my god I mean I might have teared up yeah I
Probably.

SPEAKER_01 (39:43):
I might have.
Yeah.
I needed that.
I want, like, that's.
That's also not what I wouldhave expected from Delilah.
It makes perfect sense when youread it.
But the Delilah throughout thisbook has been gregarious and a
troublemaker.
And for her to just be like,you're my home.
And I'm going to lay everythingdown and figure out my life to
fit into yours.

(40:04):
Right.
Not you fitting into my life.

SPEAKER_00 (40:06):
Right.
Like, I want you, whatever thatlooks like.
And like, just, oh, I mean, oh.
It's just so good.
So good.
And also, does Delilah Greencare?
I feel like this definitelyshows us.
Like, we're set up from thebeginning to be like, Delilah
Green doesn't care.
She has anonymous sex.
She doesn't know.
She's going to hook up.

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She's going to, like, tip overthe champagne glasses.
Well, she even,

SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
like, halfway made a bet with Astrid that she would
sleep with Claire.

SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
Yeah, as a joke.
As a joke.
In the, like, really soon intothe book.
But

SPEAKER_01 (40:37):
immediately, almost after that, she catches those
feelings.

SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Fast.
Because who, I mean, because whowouldn't?
Claire is marvelous.
She's fantastic.
She's fantastic.
So yeah, I loved the, I loved, Iloved their reunion.

SPEAKER_01 (40:49):
I think the growth for all the characters.

SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
That was something that really stuck out for me
too.

SPEAKER_01 (40:55):
The progression of Iris and Delilah's friendship
with Iris being, when they werekids, the most vocal about
talking and making fun ofDelilah.
Giving her that

SPEAKER_00 (41:04):
terrible nickname.
And then

SPEAKER_01 (41:06):
halfway through the book, she's slapping her on the
butt.

SPEAKER_00 (41:08):
With a water bottle and like leaning her head on her
shoulder around the campfireThat was so sweet too.

SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Their friendship was one of my favorite kind of side
quests.

SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
Yeah, me too.
For sure.
God, we love Iris.
We do love Iris.
Read Iris's book and Astrid'sbook.
They're all so good.

SPEAKER_01 (41:23):
I also, I don't identify a lot with Iris as far
as personality and all thatgoes.
But you do get a very smallsnippet of Iris outside of the
friend group being kind of likea stationary person.
Yeah, she makes planners.
Yeah, she makes planners.
And one of my favorite quotesconcerning Iris, was iris got

(41:43):
that gleam in her eyes the samekind she got whenever she was
working on a planner design orbought a brand new set of tombow
markers and girl saying you knowi love a stationary situation i
have a whole cup of tombowmarkers on my desk at home right

SPEAKER_00 (41:57):
now you do i

SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
mean a planner i'm already planning my planner for
next year and it's just june

SPEAKER_00 (42:01):
everybody's over here using like you know i want
to go to google calendar andyou're like still whipping out
your binder

SPEAKER_01 (42:07):
yeah i've got yeah it's analog all day yeah i just
want to sit in stella's and havea beer yeah whiskey yeah and
talk planners and tombo markerswith iris while claire and
delilah slow dance in the corneroh my god and astrid's out there
hitting on everything that'llstand still long enough because
girl is free of spencer

SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
free of spencer yeah get rid of that guy yeah for
sure that's

SPEAKER_01 (42:30):
that in my head that's where they are now

SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
absolutely i mean and you get you get to see more
of claire and delilah inastrid's story and in iris's
story because like they are bffsyeah which that overlap is
absolutely scrumptious like ilove it when characters from one
book show up in another book butthey're not really part of the
storyline yeah it's fantasticand she ashley herring blake
does that so well masterfulmasterfully but yeah like i just

(42:55):
i this book was so good and itfelt good and it made me happy
and it made me laugh out loudand it you know like i like we
do think about what thecharacters are doing i do feel
like i was friends with them andi do want to know what's going
on with their

SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
life i want This book for me is the book that
when people ask me for any sortof sapphic romance
recommendation, this is one ofthe top ones.
I'm like, if you haven't readthis, start here.
Yeah.
There are so many good ones outthere and we're going

SPEAKER_00 (43:23):
to

SPEAKER_01 (43:23):
cover all of them that we can.
But this is kind of like, thisis where you dip your toes in.
I feel like it has a little bitof everything.
It does.
It's funny.
It's serious.
It's got growth.
It's got trauma.
It's got, it ticks all the boxesfor me and the spice.
It's there.
So good.
So ratings overall, what do yougive it star rating?

SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
I...
will give it a 4.5 I want I wantto give every book a 5 I'm like
Oprah when it comes to starratings you are I'm a little
more I'm like you get one andyou get one I know but but for
real for real for real we'retalking about 4.5 it was so good
I'll read it again I know I willso 4 is

SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
low key obsessed and I would consider us both high
key obsessed with this book highkey obsessed for sure so yeah
4.5 on the star rating 100% I'mwith you spice rating

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
I'm gonna give it a 4.5 too and I think that that
I'm not being generous.
I thought that the spice wasphenomenal and obviously written
from a perspective of someonewho understands spice when it
comes to queer women.
You know, like obviously thisperson has either done a lot of
research or has been in thesescenarios.
Or has done a lot

SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
of research.

SPEAKER_00 (44:30):
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I love that because if Iread something and I'm like,
wow, that's just not,

SPEAKER_01 (44:35):
that's not.
Nothing will make me set a bookdown faster than if the spice is
not believable.
Right.
And so, yeah, I give this one afour on the spice rating.
Okay.
It's very spicy.
Yeah.
Not safe for work at all.
Uh, don't be reading over myshoulder when I'm on the
treadmill at the gym.
FYI, we go to the same gym.
Um, but

SPEAKER_00 (44:55):
I'll probably read the same thing.
Some funny

SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
stuff up on that treadmill.
Uh, just throwing that outthere, but I give it a four.
Uh, the spice was definitelythere.
It was very good.
Yeah.
It was very spicy for me.
It, you know, could have gonejust a little harder or maybe
there could have been just alittle bit more.
Okay.
To get it to that, you know,next level but I do believe it
was fantastic

SPEAKER_00 (45:14):
yeah I don't know if I've read a five star spice book
yet nope nope I have we're gonnaget there I have and I'm not
gonna talk about it becausewe're gonna read it just drop
the big

SPEAKER_01 (45:25):
teaser oh I think another

SPEAKER_00 (45:26):
one you're talking about we're gonna read it and
it's age gap there's a hint butyeah but yeah I have I take that
back Delilah Green is not thatbut it's really close but it's
really and also the authors arefriends so shout out shout out

SPEAKER_01 (45:40):
there we'll get there yeah we'll get there stay
tuned for that.

SPEAKER_00 (45:43):
Stay tuned.

SPEAKER_01 (45:43):
Oh my God.
We made it.
First episode.
Yeah.
First one down.

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So many

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more to go.
That was a journey.
You guys don't even know.
If only we had like behind thescenes footage of everything

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that went into this.
Maybe one day.

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That's definitely a Patreon tier that you're going
to have to pay for.
Hashtag Patreon is coming soon.

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Especially a huge shout out toall of our friends, our family,
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Thank you.