June 11, 2025 • 45 mins
She didn’t just refresh her résumé, she rebuilt her whole damn mindset.
When Stephanie was unexpectedly let go, she didn’t just face a career setback, she faced a full-on identity crisis. The kind where you question everything from your skills to your social circle to whether your dog is judging you for crying into your matcha. But instead of staying stuck, she took a deep breath (and a lot of walks with Kingsston) and started picking up the pieces, one boundary, one rejection, and one painfully optimistic LinkedIn post at a time.
In this episode of Clocked In, Checked Out, we dive into the raw, hilarious, and all-too-relatable reality of getting laid off and learning how to trust again: your gut, your coworkers, and your worth. Stephanie gets real about the silent heartbreak of ghosting (both job and dating), the stress of feeling like the common denominator, and the surprising clarity that comes from simply sitting in the discomfort. We talk about toxic team dynamics, trusting the wrong people, and how starting over in Customer Success gave her the chance to actually feel seen.
This episode is for anyone who’s ever stared at a rejection email like it personally attacked their spirit. If you’ve ever felt like everyone else is thriving while you’re surviving on vibes, venting, and emotional support beverages, you’re in good company.
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Whether you're grieving a job, rebuilding your self-worth, or just wondering how many ghosted applications it takes to become a full-time barista, this one's for you.
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(00:00):
Hey everyone, you're listening to Clocked In, checked out the
podcast about career curveballs,quite confidence and learning to
pivot with humor, heart, and a little bit of chaos.
I'm Joseph Singh, your host, your personal hype man, and your
emotional support water bottle. In podcast form.
Today's episode is called Job Hunting, Ghosting and Emotional
Damage because like, let's get fucking real.
(00:23):
Navigating A layoff and hunting for the right role and keeping
your mindset intact. It's basically a full time job
on its own but would like no benefits.
My guest today, Stephanie, shares her story of being let go
unexpectedly and the personal glow up that followed.
From rebuilding her confidence to setting boundaries she didn't
even know she needed. This isn't a story about loss.
(00:45):
It's about alignment, resilience, and growth.
We talk about the mess that is today's job market, how no can
sometimes be divine redirection,staying grounded when nothing
feels certain, and how her dog Kingston stepped into the world
as the fluffiest life coach. And yes, this week's mocktail is
(01:08):
the Cranberry Closure. It's a tart, sparkly blend of
cranberry juice, lime, coconut water, honey, and just enough
sparkling water to pretend everything's fine.
Because when your inbox is dry, your therapist is out of office,
and your confidence is running on fumes, hydration matters.
So whether you're navigating your own transition or just here
(01:30):
for validation, this one's for you.
So pour something soothing, takea deep breath, and join us for
real, raw and slightly unhinged conversation about bouncing
back. Stephanie, cheers.
Take a sip and welcome to the chaos.
Hi Stephanie. Hi, how are you?
(01:51):
I'm good, I'm good. How are you feeling?
So much better now, yeah. It's been a minute since we've
reconnected. I know you know, but we've like
chit chatted on Instagram here and there.
Yeah. So glad to have you on here.
Yes. I know you know from when we've
been talking the last couple of months have been a bit
interesting for you. It's.
Right, true. Interesting's a good word.
(02:14):
So let's dive right into it. Yeah.
So I know in January when we were talking, you mentioned that
you were laid off, let go from acompany.
Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about
that. So what was work before things
shifted? Yeah, so I mean, similar to you,
right? Like it's just when when you get
(02:37):
let go and you don't expect it, it's just like you're hit with
like a ton of bricks. You're like, what the fuck just
happened? I am a top performer.
I was a top performer. Like there's no way I would have
thought that that would have happened.
But now looking back at it like it, it really was for the best,
I think. I think before that I was going
(02:58):
to travelling everywhere. They were sending me to London,
to Brussels, to LA. It was like, you're the star.
Let's get the star to talk aboutour products.
Yeah, so. So like what was the feeling
like, you know, towards the the tail end, did you notice any
shifts or anything or was it like more a little like abrupt
and sudden? You know, I think the shift
(03:21):
actually was more me than the company.
I think I felt the shift of like, they're like, this isn't
working for me anymore. But their decision was really
abrupt. I definitely thought I had the
upper hand, which I mean was a little naive now that I look
back. At Wait, share a little bit
more. Yeah, you know, like when you
(03:43):
get into a company like it's, it's like those memes, those
reels that people are posting day three on the job.
You're so excited, like bright eyed, bushy tailed, like, you
know, like 304 hundred days intoyour job, you're like, OK, try
me, try me. Because you know, you, you kind
of feel like you have the upper hand.
And so I, I started getting unhappy and I thought it was
(04:04):
going to be one of those things where they find out that I'm
unhappy and they're going to tryto make amends.
But it wasn't like that at all. Oh, so like they just went in
the direction that you were about to go in pretty much.
Totally. Yeah, they, they, I mean, when
it all happened, I said it, it definitely, it accelerated the
inevitable is what I was saying.So I, I, I thought I had the
(04:28):
upper hand. I said, you know, I'm going to
quit this job whether or not I have something lined up.
That's how bad it got. But then they caught wind of it
and they're like, yeah, nice try, we're going to let you go
instead. How did they catch wind of it?
Yeah. You know this, I mean, this is
something that I think you touched on under previous
podcast is you, you can't trust everyone you have.
(04:49):
To like, pick and choose who to trust.
Yeah. So like what happened on your
end? Yeah, so I, I always, honestly,
I prided myself on being able topick and choose who I was
trusting. I, I always thought I had like a
really good like idea of like the right people to trust like,
you know, I, I prided myself like I keep a good circle.
(05:11):
I know like who's who, but I didn't.
And so, you know, some people have really, really thick mask
and I shared with a colleague who I thought was a friend that
I was going to be leaving and I thought I was sharing it in
confidence and it was not in confidence.
And it kind of funneled up to the executives and bit me less.
So let's talk about the moment you realize that you trusted the
(05:34):
wrong Co worker. How did that feel for you?
Yeah, honestly, I think so. We we, we talk about spiraling,
right? Like after the layoff, you're
like, Oh my God, I can't believethat happened to me.
Like there's a lot that goes in that, but for me, like it was
less about the company making that decision and me looking
inward and being like, holy shit, I thought I knew how to
(05:55):
trust people. Like you don't really think that
like trusting people is a skill set, but I kind of thought it
was a skill set and I thought I'd mastered it.
And that's what really fucked meup.
I was talking to my friends and I was telling them like, I just
can't trust anyone now. And people would be like, whoa,
let's pump the brakes. It's not like you can't trust
anyone. It's just you need to pick and
choose a little better or who you're trusting.
(06:18):
Well, that's funny, though, because like, I think going back
to what you just said, you know,when you're like, you don't say
you can't trust anyone, right. But it's that thing where you
feel like you can trust that oneperson.
Yeah, that can actually destroy a lot.
Yeah. Right.
Because like you can trust like your best friend, but if they go
behind your back and do something like it breaks trust
across a lot of things, right? Yeah.
(06:40):
So this goes to my next one is like how did that shift your
view on being open and vulnerable with Co workers at
work or even with anyone? Yeah, no, I, I I think that was
the biggest shift for me. That was like my like like
turning point of like the the spiralling right.
It was like I always thought that I could trust my Co workers
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just as much as I could trust myfriends.
Like I thought that we were making friends at work.
Yeah. I know, and I've met so many.
People, everyone's family at work, right?
Right, that's so many people, somany people listening to this
podcast are like, Oh my God, she's so dumb.
How could she trust a Co worker?Because my husband was the same
way. He's like, I told you, you trust
(07:24):
people too easily. And it's like honestly, like
it's really interesting, right? Because I've always been at part
of really small organizations, like startups where everyone
does feel like, you know, we're A-Team, where we're getting, you
know, we're, I am the price together.
Like we're doing this, like together.
Yeah. And so there's this like,
togetherness that I, I think I've had a false sense of.
(07:48):
Like, I don't know what the wordis.
Like I was leaning on that too much.
Right. Like, I just thought you and I
are part of the same company. So that must mean that you are
just invested in my success as much as I'm invested in yours.
And that's not true. Oh.
My God, me and you are like the same person because I trust
everyone I work. So is that and, and honestly,
(08:10):
it's changed a lot now. I mean, I've started a new job
and the, the culture is different, but I'm still, I'm
still just figuring out my footing, right?
I'm, I'm way more cautious now. Like my walls are up.
Yeah. I just, I, I don't want to say
the wrong thing. I don't want to share the wrong
information. Yeah.
You're very careful of what you say.
(08:32):
Yeah. So like, what boundaries have
you created since you've startedthis new job with everyone that
you work with? Yeah, You know what?
I think I'm, I, I didn't realizethis until speaking to a a new
colleague recently. But I think I'm, I think I'm
getting into this position whereit's like, OK, if he or he or
(08:52):
she shares something that's likea secret, that means I could
share one of my secrets. You know, like it's kind of
like, it's kind of tit for tat now because it's like, OK, well,
they're showing me that they cantrust me versus I was always the
one kind of offering the candy first, right?
I'm like, here, here is a tidbitof information that I, I'm going
(09:13):
to share with you so that we cancreate a really good
relationship. But now I'm kind of just waiting
for the candies to come to me. I'm like.
Because sometimes I think it is a bit of a tactic when someone
does, because you kind of have to like flip it, right?
You do have to flip it a little bit.
Like if they're the ones tellingyou something and then you tell
them, they might take that and take.
(09:34):
It somewhere else they might be like giving you a candy they
don't even like. I've learned in my years in
corporate, you just can't trust everyone, right?
But I never take my own advice. Yeah, because, because you get
candies. You get candies, Yeah, Yeah, but
you also never. The thing is, you never know
where these relationships might like, lead to.
(09:54):
Yeah. Because like, after my layoff, a
lot of the, the people that I'velike worked with, they've become
really good friends, right. So like, do you still keep in
touch with a lot of people? Yeah, Yeah.
I have a lot of who I consider friends now that were past
colleagues like and I feel like that kind of makes me want to
(10:16):
trust my Co workers because I have a pool of like really good
friends that I can lean on like for anything for career advice.
Like this is different subset ofpeople, right?
People that you know as ex colleagues are people that you
go to for career advice or soundboarding when you're having like
corporate trauma or issues. They're different from your
(10:38):
friends from high school or college, right?
And so I still tap into that subset of friends.
And I think that's kind of what makes me believe that what made
let me past tense that what mademe believe that you could trust
all your coworkers. So when you got laid off, right
or like, what do you like to say?
I got let go. Let go, OK, Live and let go.
(11:00):
What was the emotional spiral actually like for you?
Yeah, this, this is something that resonated with me when I
heard your first podcast. I was just like, this is how I
felt. I I think yours was a little
more delayed. Mine was very much immediate.
Mine was like, what the fuck just happened?
Like, like, because I told you, right.
I, I really thought like, I had the upper hand here.
(11:21):
I was a top performer and I was like, Oh my God, I'm not worth
anything. Yeah, like I'm not worth it to
them and so. That's how you felt.
That is how I felt, right? That's how I felt and I just it
made me spiral like my friends when I was telling my friends it
was embarrassing, right? It was it was I like I kind of
(11:42):
went into a hermit hole for a little bit.
I like, like, I I ghosted some of my friends because I was
like, I just don't want to talk to anyone right now.
Yeah. Because I don't want to explain
to them the situation. I mean, I had a friend that I
was supposed to meet up for dinner and I just kept pushing
it off because I was like, I don't want to have to talk about
it. I don't want to tell anyone.
Yeah. And I just, I realized how much
(12:03):
of myself worth I was tying to my net worth.
Like, yeah, yeah, that's fair, right.
Like, that's fucked up. Why do we do that?
I'd that's my thing. I don't know why we do that.
Like, you know, pretty sure you heard like it, it hit me like
like 3 weeks ago, right? Like I've started to pull back
from a lot of people. I've snapped on a few people.
(12:26):
Yeah, my poor husband. You're what?
My poor husband. I know, right?
Like I've snapped on some friends, right?
Like, and it's not them. Yeah, like, I know it's me and
what I'm going through. Yeah, I'm frustrated.
I'm pissed. Yeah, I'm annoyed.
I'm angry. And you don't really know how to
deal with it because you've never.
Gone through it before. Feeling like this normal, which
(12:47):
is thank God for creating this podcast.
I mean, hearing you like, it resonated with me because I'm
like, OK, I mean, outside of like the random LinkedIn post
that you see from people like that are getting laid off.
Like if you're reading those chunk of texts, like that's
where you're getting a lot of like the soundboard information,
but you don't really get it anywhere else.
Yeah. Right.
So like, what were the hardest things to hear from yourself
(13:10):
during that time when you were laid off?
Yeah, that's a good one. So I, I think I told you a
little bit about it. It was like when I was telling
my friends about it, they're like, oh, no worries or like,
oh, this happened to me too. Remember.
And I'm like, actually, I don't remember because you're my
friend and I don't think your let your layoff did not define
(13:31):
you. And I actually forgot I had a
friend who got laid off like twoor three years ago.
She's like, dude, this this exact situation happened to me
and I'm like, Oh my God, I forgot about that.
And honestly that's what made merealize holy shit people aren't
going to care about this as muchas I care about it.
Like because I I don't speak to myself kindly or I I, I realized
(13:54):
I didn't speak to myself kindly.Why was that so hard to believe?
I because you're you're you are your own worst critic.
Yeah, like I, I told you that. Do you believe me?
No. I mean, because I'm still
looking for, I'm still job hunting.
Yes, but you're still you're still days like you're months
behind me, right, like I have, Ihave a little bit of a lead up
(14:17):
for from. You one month, yes.
So that means I have a month you.
Have a month, right? Someone hire me?
OK. You have things in the pipeline
though. What pipeline?
I'm trying to be in someone else's pipeline.
I'm not trying to build my own fucking pipeline.
Yeah, I know you need to find a pipeline that pays.
Fucking find me a sugar daddy with the pipeline.
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The big ass pipeline that pays. I'd do anything but anyways.
So like what made that so hard to believe?
Yeah, it's like you're just hardon yourself.
That's that's how I was always. But when I realized that, when I
realized that I was really hard on myself, I made it a mission
during this layoff period. Like I'm going to work on that.
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I'm going to start these daily affirmations.
I'm going to figure out how to make myself believe what other
people believe about me. So when you were, you know, laid
off or let go and you were trying to find like, the next
thing, what did you do on a day-to-day basis to like, keep
yourself going and keep yourselfmotivated?
Cycling, I had to start like something.
(15:21):
I was like I need to put something in my routine.
So you just started? Cycling, I just started, yeah.
Four days a week, four or five days a.
Week. Oh my God.
So that just kept you going then?
Yeah, because I was like, I needa routine, otherwise I'm just
going to be like a sloth in bed.Like I just I was.
It's hard, Yeah. Yeah, it's it's hard getting out
(15:41):
of bed, Yeah. When you don't have anything,
what your purpose is? Right, you're like, I have
nothing on the. Calendar, Yeah.
When you when you were laid off or or let go, did you
immediately start looking for a job?
No, I gave myself a week. I gave myself a week to be sad.
And then I was like, I know, I know.
Yeah. But I, you know, yeah, just a
(16:03):
week. Well, I was already kind of
applying for jobs. Oh, so you're already ahead of
the process? Right.
I was OK. So that was the thing.
I was ahead of the process, but also I was in late stage
interviews with a company and they got back to me the my last
day of work and they told me I didn't get it.
So I was sad for two reasons. I was like, I don't have a job
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and the job that I wanted just rejected me.
And so I was like, OK, I need a week.
Like give me a week just to be sad about everything.
So you got dumped twice. Yeah, I did.
Damn. Did you put it like that?
I did. If by June or July you still
don't have anything, you have permission to panic.
But after BAMP, I was like, OK, I'm this is like, let's chill
(16:46):
out a little bit. Let's just believe that what's
in the cards for us will come. That's it was kind of my reset.
On top of that, I was with my family and family time is always
like much cousin time, not family time.
So you're you gave yourself until June or July, which means
I should be giving myself until July or August, right?
(17:06):
In the current state that we're the economy is in, Yeah, It's
fun, right? It's fucked up.
It's so fucked up. Like it's so fucking shitty.
Yes. So what was job hunting really
like, both emotionally and logistically, for you?
Yeah. So emotionally I was like, it
was, it was frustrating because like, if you think back in what,
(17:27):
20 was it 2022-2023, it was like, oh, the great resignation.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And everyone's all entitled. It was like, I'm gonna leave
this company because I'm gonna get more money somewhere else.
Yeah. And then it's like, damn, just
in two years, it's so different.It was such an employer's
market. And you could tell by just
talking to recruiters and hiringmanagers.
(17:49):
They just knew you were at the mercy of whatever they wanted.
Right. That kind of, yeah.
You would apply, you'd get interviewed, you'd get the job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then now it's like, OK,
well, now the employers can ask whatever questions they want.
They don't even have to treat you really well.
Recruiters ghost you all the time.
So that's the other thing. Are you experiencing that too?
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Yeah, I think, you know, I've been job hunting since the day I
got LED laid off, right? And I've applied for over 150
jobs. I have this entire Excel
spreadsheet. You love data.
That I love data. I do love data.
And I document everything that I'm doing, right?
(18:33):
And I apply. Yeah, like it goes into the
abyss. Like, it goes into like a black
hole. Not the type of hole I'm trying
to get into in 2025, but it justgoes somewhere, right?
I feel like my applications are just disappearing into like the
fucking abyss. But let's talk about the abyss
(18:55):
that you're fucking, the black hole that you don't want.
I don't want that whole. Yeah, it's it's because everyone
is mass applying. And so like, these companies are
getting thousands of applicants for people that may or may not
be qualified because everyone's in panic.
So that's the other shit I want to talk about, right?
Qualifications. Because you look at a job
(19:17):
posting, you're like, I'm qualified for that job.
They want five years of this, I got it.
They want this. I got it.
You're like, they want this, I got it.
And then you get a generic e-mail that said we move forward
with other candidates that are more qualified than you.
Right. And you get a canned message,
which is like even more like I applied for one of my company's
(19:37):
biggest competitors. I got a generic rejection
e-mail. So like how many jobs did you
apply for And then how did ghosting and or rejection affect
your confidence? So I applied to about 150.
I think it was a confidence, what is it dejector in the right
(19:58):
way, right, Because it made me look back at my resume and make
make tweaks and I feel like I got my resume to a point where
then I was getting more hits from the right companies and
including the right information in it.
So you adjusted the resume to what the companies were looking?
For right, And I wasn't doing that before.
I was kind of just like, OK, this resume is good and it
(20:19):
should be good for all of these.But now I'm like OK, if I really
want this, like I need to reallylike compare the job description
and see what they actually want.Did you find any success in that
you start getting more interviews?
Yeah. How many interviews did you get?
I I think in total I got 12 or 13 interviews.
Oh, go you. Yeah, I felt like cool, like I
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finally like, I, I felt like I finally hit like the right
resume that was resonating to these recruiters.
Did you ever find yourself applying for jobs that you
didn't even want just to feel productive?
Yes. Really.
You know, when you're job hunting, you kind of like,
logistically are setting up goals.
If I apply to 10 jobs this week,I'm gonna call that a good week,
(21:05):
right? Ten.
Yeah. No, I usually do like 3 to 4
jobs a day. Yeah, yeah.
So that was kind of what I was doing.
And I was just like, OK, well, it's like the only thing you
have, you make a commitment to yourself and you're like your
only ally right now. And so I was applying to jobs
even if I didn't want it becauseI was like, I just need to hit
my metric. Like I just, I think I just
(21:27):
needed to be in work mode for some reason.
Like I was like, OK, there's a metric that I set for myself.
I need to hit that metric. And that's why I was applying
for jobs. Did you network at all?
Yes, yes. How was networking like for you?
It was, it was hard at first because you don't want to reach
out to people. You're like, hey, I don't have a
job right now, please help me. OK, why did?
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OK, why did you feel that way? I don't know because you never
like, it was unexpected. You don't think you'll be like a
like a, you don't think you'd bea part of the statistic.
But everyone that I reached out to was really helpful.
Like someone was like, oh, creamalways writes to the top.
(22:09):
OK, yes, yes. So I reached out to my network
and they like, that was their first reaction to it.
And I was like, oh, like this person I haven't worked with for
gosh, 7-8 years and he still thinks of me as a top performer
and was like, so happy to open his network and help me.
Like, sure, I'll send the referral, right?
(22:32):
And and that was really hard forme because I think when you're
looking at your network, you kind of like are thinking like,
when was the last time I had theconversation with this person?
Oh yeah. Hundred yeah.
Facts. Right, right.
Cuz you're like, I don't want todo that.
But then you get you're a littledesperate and you're like, well,
there's no ill will. And this is LinkedIn.
That's what this is for. That's what.
(22:54):
LinkedIn is. Literally what it's for.
It's a network for professionals, right?
To talk about stuff like. This and they should expect
this, right? Yeah.
And yeah, I was able to leveragemy network.
Past clients helped me and people were updating and writing
(23:14):
the LinkedIn. What is it?
The testimonials. Yeah, testimonials.
Yeah, yeah. So it was helpful and gosh, even
when I posted my new, I was telling Gerald as my husband, I
posted my new job update and I just saw all these people from
my network congratulating me. And I'm like, oh, I haven't
talked to this person in 10 years.
I haven't talked to him in 12 years.
(23:35):
And like they still care enough to like like this post.
And so it was a really good reminder like you can tap into
your network even though you don't think.
Yeah, when I posted my layoff story, when I posted my layoff
on LinkedIn, a lot of people message me.
It's a it's a little scary because you don't know, it's
like I haven't, like you said, Ihaven't spoken to this person in
so long. What do I do?
(23:55):
Right, Like I have a lot of friends that are helping me, a
lot of people that I've met at the gym who are helping me, a
lot of people in my network thatare helping me.
But those referrals only get youso far.
I feel they can get you an interview but you all the rest.
Is up to. You the rest is up to you,
right? Like, yeah.
Totally. But also, you don't know how
many people are also interviewing for that job who
(24:18):
have referrals. Mm hmm.
Right. So this current job that you're
in. So it was a referral from a
conversation back in December. Yeah.
And so that's how it came back around, right.
So in December she referred me and then had the interview and
then they, I left a good impression in that interview.
(24:40):
So when they had an opening, it was a contractor role actually
for this company and they reached out and asked me if I
wanted it in May from my interview in January.
So like, do you feel proud of where you landed?
Yes, I am very proud. I feel like I think this company
prides itself on work life balance and like the culture is
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exactly what I'm looking for. My friend that referred me in is
kind of just giving me all the affirmations I need.
Like this was the right move. I think it's somewhere that I
could be a long term and I don'thave to continue the spiral of
like finding a new job every twoyears.
Like I I think this could be my home for a while.
Would you have done, Would you have done anything differently
in the last five months? I think the only thing I would
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have done differently is just give myself more grace in the
beginning. I but I mean, I guess, I guess
at the same time, I'm such a believer of like everything
happens for a reason. Like I needed to go through that
in order to get to where I am, but I don't know if I would
like. I think I needed the spiral.
I don't know how I feel about everything happens.
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For a reason. Really.
I mean, I do. I I do.
I do believe in that. But a lot of a lot of people I
think in the last couple months have been telling me, like,
everything happens for a reason.Like there's a reason why, like
you're not there anymore, right.And it's just like it's hard for
me to even accept something likethat.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
It could because maybe I just don't accept what happened.
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Maybe I'm having a hard time still dealing with it.
Well, here's some perspective for you.
If it didn't happen, I wouldn't be sitting here and you wouldn't
have your podcast. That's true.
Right. I mean, really like there's
there's no other reason you would have started this podcast.
That's true. That's what I think about.
So that's yeah. That's how I like this is this
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is what was supposed to happen. That's how I look at it.
And and and I nice. Of you to say yeah.
No, it's true. And like we wouldn't have
reconnected. Like exactly really like your
first podcast. Like it really spoke to me and
it. Was like.
I really thought like, someone else needs to hear this, Like
people that are going through layoffs need to hear this
because people like you and I were so type A like
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perfectionist. Like we don't want to be like,
hey, this layoff affected me. Like we want that to happen in
closed doors behind, like, you know, in our homes.
Well, no one really talks about it.
Right. You know, everyone gets scared,
Everyone gets nervous. They're like, I don't want to
talk about it because I'm tryingto look for my next job.
Yeah, I don't want to say anything wrong, even though I
have a lot more to say. Yeah, I have a ton to say
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exactly, you know, but like. This is the outlet you needed,
and it's not just yours. Like it's an outlet that a lot
of people. Need thank you.
Good point, right? Right, That was a great point.
Everything happens for. I guess everything happens for a
reason. It's.
Like OK conceded today. What did this entire experience
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teach you about trust, identity,and so forth?
That's a good one. I think that was kind of like
the theme of my layoff era, likeso, yeah.
I'm in that era right now, yeah.Yeah.
So trust, it definitely taught me kind of, you know, we had on
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that like just having more boundaries with trust, right.
Like we are over shares by nature.
We kind of like I think, I thinkin general bubbly extroverted
personalities tend to just sharelike whatever you want to share
without thinking about like the the implications that might
have, right. And so I'm dialing that back for
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sure. Myself identity, I think I tied
a lot to. I mean, I was like self worth
equals net worth. That was all I ever thought,
right? Like I think in immigrant
households, it's like if you aresuccessful, it's because you
make a lot of money. And I definitely have shifted.
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I think, you know, turning down $40,000 or I'm doing it because
like I want long term success. Like I need longevity in
corporate now. Like I can't just keep job
hopping every two years. I can't do it anymore.
Cuz you'll know you're making that money up somewhere else.
Eventually, right, Right. It's like a long term play,
right? But your girl's getting old.
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I can't be like job hunting. You're like, what, 25?
Thank you. Yeah, I just, I, I think that's
what shifted that, that self identity piece so much.
And I, I was telling all my friends, I'm like, this feels so
crazy. For a long time after I accepted
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company BI was like, was this the right decision?
I can't believe I just said no to that much money.
It's a lot of money. It was the biggest offer I've
ever I've ever got. For real.
And you said no to it. I.
Said no. How did Gerald take it?
He my saying to have a husband, he was like, I just want to make
sure that this is making like this is what's going to make you
happy because he's seen me like just like in these roles that
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eventually I get into this burnout.
It was truly burnout. We didn't even, that's the first
time I said this word, but it was burnout.
Yeah, that's what it was like the the work life balance, the
unhappiness, that was burnout. You're just tired of.
Doing it, yeah. And he just wanted to see me
happy. And I was like, wait, I just
want to let you know nothing that I'm accepting for a job is
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ever going to make me happy because I just don't want to
work. So Stephanie, if someone
listening is in mid spiral in their job hunt, what would you
say to them? Honestly, I mean, I said it to
you. I just, you got to trust the
process. Everything happens for a reason.
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Yeah, I think that's how I feel I've landed, right.
I just feel like I heard it fromeveryone.
I didn't believe it and then I just leaned into it and then I
kind of ended up getting what I wanted.
Yeah, that's good advice. Yeah, I mean you just gotta
trust the process. I know like Also don't read
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Reddit threads I. Would I try to say off Reddit?
Oh my God, the subreddit for interviews and unemployment.
Oh my God it's such like doom and gloom.
I would say stay off of that. What's the worst thing you read
on? There, I mean, I was reading
like someone was like about to be on house.
They're like losing all their money, like they burn through
their savings and it's just really sad, like, and I think
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that's why it's just better to stay off of it.
I think it's, I mean, I guess it's good to have that.
Like, it made me grateful for mysituation, but it it doesn't
feel good to read that and and know that that's hard.
Yeah, you know, that that's whatpeople are going through.
But yeah, I think trust the process.
Everything happens for a reason.What's your post, Layoff mantra
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or affirmation? Post layoff mantra.
Set your boundaries, girl. Set your boundaries.
Israel tells me that all the time.
Don't tell everyone everything. Yeah, I mean, don't tell
everyone everything, but also like, don't run towards burnout.
Did you feel like you were burntout?
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I think in January when that shift happened, when I was like,
I was telling my colleague that I so trusted that.
Yeah. What did, what did Burnout look
for you like? What did Burnout look like for
you? Fucking waking up every day with
anxiety. Like am I doing things right?
Like am I forgetting something? Like it's just yeah, just
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thinking about work all the time.
Not being able to actually like shut down or rest, Not having
good night's sleep. I'm like.
Why were you waking up with anxiety though?
Because of work. Like, was it so much pressure
for you? Yeah, it was.
It was just like when you're a part of a smaller startup
company, I think you feel like there aren't enough resources to
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delegate your responsibilities. So the weight of the
responsibilities on you. And so I always wanted to do
right by my customers. I always wanted to make sure
that they were. So in my role, I have to make
sure that the customers are getting what they pay for.
They are seeing the value in theproducts, right?
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And so that was weighing heavilyon me because I was like, I want
everyone to be happy. And so I think naturally, like
when things feel like they're falling apart or product
releases are being delayed, likethat falls on me.
And that's where my anxiety camefrom.
It's like is, is the bug that I've, I promised was going to be
fixed? Is that going to be fixed?
And then who's gonna tell the customer?
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Is that my problem? And it was just like constantly
trying to be like 5 or 10 steps ahead of things like that was
creating that anxiety. My anxiety was completely
different. What was yours?
My anxiety was more like am I doing a good job for the like my
boss and stuff? For the company.
Yeah, like is my boss or like are the people that I work with
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like watching my every move eventhough we work remotely?
Yeah, cuz I knew not to like, you know, make myself like, say
I'm like the best at what I do. I knew that I was doing a great
job at what I did. But you didn't know if you were
telling. Exactly.
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I didn't know that that I was. Yeah, delivering to them if they
saw that. Right.
Right. Because I feel like in the world
that we're in, the more that youdo, the more they want.
Yeah. And if you're not hitting that,
you're constantly being judged. Yep.
Right. And that creates that anxiety.
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Yeah, I think, no, I, I get whatyou mean.
It's just like you have to, I think I'm not good at this, but
I think when you are in corporate, you also have to be
your your best advocate. Like you have to raise your hand
and be like, hey, FYII finished ABC.
Hey, FYI, these are the things Idelivered.
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Like you can't rely on someone else to be like, Joseph did a
great job and here's why. You kind of have to be like, I
did a great job and here's why. So it's like becoming your own
advocate. Oh yeah, 100%.
There were sometimes in meetingswhere there'd be like this
happened, I'd be like, yeah, that was me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so.
I did that, yeah, that. Anxiety of like you're not
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getting the recognition that youdeserve.
Yeah. Would you go through it all
again to be where you're at now?So I would do it all over again
because because I got let go, I was able to apply for
unemployment. And I think that gave me some
breathing room that I would havenot had otherwise because I was
ready because of my burnout to just be like, OK, I'm done.
(35:41):
Like, yeah, I didn't want to be there anymore.
I don't care if I have anything lined up, but because they
caught wind of it and they let me go, I was able to apply for
unemployment and that helped ease the extra anxiety that I
would have had. You were just done, yeah.
You're over it. I was.
And burnout's real. Yeah.
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Like it happened. Like right now in the culture
that we're in, like burnout is big.
I think with our parents, they didn't experience.
Burnout. No, no.
With our parents, it was like find one company and work there
for 30 years. That's exactly what they did.
Just stay there. Don't move.
Yeah. Be be grateful for what you
have. Right.
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Yeah, Be grateful for the job that you have.
But nowadays it's very different.
Like people move around, they want more money, they want
better titles. Yeah, You know that.
Like for me, I feel like in the generation that like, I like I'm
in more of an like a older millennial, right?
I'm more like I don't like what are you I'm.
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I'm 30. 7 So you're OK? So you're with me, right?
I don't know if you want to say your age on camera or anything,
but I think we're comfortable where we're at and we don't
wanna move. Yep, Right.
We give 110% to the places that we work at.
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Right. And we want that to be home.
We want that to be home. We want it to be family because
that's what our parents taught us.
It's. Like I think Gen.
Z is kind of like, Nah, I'm out like.
Yeah, their boundaries. Are high yeah yes and I'm like
dude good I I watch Gen. Z and I'm like Tim I love Gen.
Z good for you but at A at a certain point I'm like OK, but
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you're not going to get any experience if you're.
Not right, right. I think that's what matters more
is the experience of what peoplehave, right?
So, like for us, we have a lot of experience, yeah, with what
we do, right. But with Gen.
ZS, they're like hopping around.They're just jumping around.
So I don't know what that's going to like look like in like
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5 to 10 years from now. It's going to be interesting to
see what the. I know corporate world.
It is really interesting to see like compare our early careers
to theirs. Yeah.
It's like very unstable for them, yes, Yeah.
But also like it is a byproduct of the times, right?
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Yeah. Hi, Stephanie.
Yay. So this is rapid fire section.
Yeah, OK. OK.
Are you ready? I don't know, maybe I feel like
I need to erase myself. Don't worry, we're not gonna
have any sexual positions this time.
I was like, OK, what is my favorite sexual position?
That might be on here, don't worry.
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What's your emotional support snack when life isn't snacking
back? Ruffles cheddar, cheddar and
sour cream chips. For real.
Yes 100% I will take those down.Like I think those are the
absolute best chips and I don't.They are pretty ruffles are
pretty fucking bond. I don't buy them because I know
I will take them like I will eatit all.
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So who buys them? Joe will buy them if he knows
I'm sad. So you must have had a lot of
ruffles, a lot like people. Yeah.
Mine would probably be TJ's cones.
Those little mini. Cones and serving size is like 3
and I ate the whole box so yeah.What's your rejection?
E-mail ick. My rejection e-mail ick, is no
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rejection e-mail. Yeah, it's like they know, like,
you know, you got rejected, but you just don't hear from them.
I hate it when people do that. Yeah, or the rejection ick is
like, oh, you know, you haven't heard from them in you know, 3
weeks and then they send you onelike 3 months.
Later, 3 months later, yeah. 'Cause they know, like they're
finally cleaning up their system.
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That's my. Rejection.
That's your rejection e-mail. Mine's like we were impressed by
your background, just not enoughto hire you.
What the fuck? That's actually true, I have got
that one. Right.
You're like. Yeah, but other candidates were
better. Other candidates were more
qualified with What if your resume had a thirst trap, what
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would it be? So it does have a thirst trap.
It's Presidents Club qualified 3times.
That's my, that's my thirst trap.
That's saying I am an overachiever three years in a
row. That's my thirst trap.
What happened in those three years?
Look about that. Anyway.
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Mine would be still professionally flexible.
Call me, we're on the same page on that one.
I feel right. Get me to that President circle.
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What's the most unhinged thing you've you've ever Googled?
But make it safer Podcasting. Or don't.
What is the most unhinged thing?Yeah, most unhinged thing that
I've googled. I don't know.
I did mine the other day. What was yours?
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What's reverse cowgirl for gays?All right, we'll skip that one.
What's one thing that should never be said during a job
interview or in bed? Oh, that's a good one.
I'm not witty enough for this. Really.
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You already have like 10 different things in your head,
huh? You do.
We like to move fast. You'll wear a lot of hats.
What else do you want to? Say, oh, you like to move slow.
I like to move slow. What's a phrase that sounds
corporate but also kind of hot? Oh, let's take this offline.
(41:51):
I love that. I love that Stephanie Dirty.
What's? Yours.
Let's take this offline. I have a couple of them.
Can you share your availability?Let's circle back.
Oh yeah, circle back. I'm like, what else is there?
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What's your professional love language?
Empathy. Really.
Mm hmm. What?
Because I'm a customer success manager.
God mine's acts of service. I see in the seven.
Yeah, I love servicing anyone that's professional.
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I guess words of affirmation would be better.
That's a good one. Yeah.
Yeah. What's your dream role,
professionally or positionally? Professionally, I don't know.
I mean, I, I think I like what Ido.
And then sexually, I'm just likeyou.
I like missionary. Oh my God.
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But game missionary is very different.
Than straight missionary I know I.
Think in the last episode we show with game missionary.
No, I know. In my dream role, professionally
or or positionally, it would be like spooned on the rooftop with
benefits. Benefits.
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That's it. That's an important.
One. Yeah.
What's something that turns you on?
What? Cream.
Rises. Cream rises to the top.
To the rooftop. To the rooftop.
Exactly what's something that turns you on professionally?
Punctuality, yeah. I feel like respecting people's
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time is the best thing that you can do professionally.
Mine's salary transparency with eye contact.
Salary transparency can get really intimate it.
Can get very intimate. It's like I'm gonna pay you this
much. You're like to do what?
All right, Stephanie, how are you feeling?
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I'm feeling light and airy. I love that you've laid out a
lot of dirt, a lot of tea, and that was a full on fucking
cardio class for the soul. I'm glad you're feeling good and
thank you for being here. A huge thanks to you for
reminding us that getting let godoesn't mean letting go of
yourself. Because you found yourself your
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proof that you can lose a job and still find clarity,
boundaries, and a sense of humorand maybe even some peace with
the side of Seltzer and Kingston's judgmental eye.
Because I'm sure probably gave you a little bit of side eye
quite a bit. If this episode made you feel
seen, spiraled, or softly screamed same into your pillow,
please subscribe, write and review or send it to someone
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Cheers Stephanie. Bye.
Hey everyone, you're listening to Clocked In, checked out the
podcast about career curveballs,quite confidence and learning to
pivot with humor, heart, and a little bit of chaos.
I'm Joseph Singh, your host, your personal hype man, and your
emotional support water bottle. In podcast form.
Today's episode is called Job Hunting, Ghosting and Emotional
Damage because like, let's get fucking real.
(00:23):
Navigating A layoff and hunting for the right role and keeping
your mindset intact. It's basically a full time job
on its own but would like no benefits.
My guest today, Stephanie, shares her story of being let go
unexpectedly and the personal glow up that followed.
From rebuilding her confidence to setting boundaries she didn't
even know she needed. This isn't a story about loss.
(00:45):
It's about alignment, resilience, and growth.
We talk about the mess that is today's job market, how no can
sometimes be divine redirection,staying grounded when nothing
feels certain, and how her dog Kingston stepped into the world
as the fluffiest life coach. And yes, this week's mocktail is
(01:08):
the Cranberry Closure. It's a tart, sparkly blend of
cranberry juice, lime, coconut water, honey, and just enough
sparkling water to pretend everything's fine.
Because when your inbox is dry, your therapist is out of office,
and your confidence is running on fumes, hydration matters.
So whether you're navigating your own transition or just here
(01:30):
for validation, this one's for you.
So pour something soothing, takea deep breath, and join us for
real, raw and slightly unhinged conversation about bouncing
back. Stephanie, cheers.
Take a sip and welcome to the chaos.
Hi Stephanie. Hi, how are you?
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I'm good, I'm good. How are you feeling?
So much better now, yeah. It's been a minute since we've
reconnected. I know you know, but we've like
chit chatted on Instagram here and there.
Yeah. So glad to have you on here.
Yes. I know you know from when we've
been talking the last couple of months have been a bit
interesting for you. It's.
Right, true. Interesting's a good word.
(02:14):
So let's dive right into it. Yeah.
So I know in January when we were talking, you mentioned that
you were laid off, let go from acompany.
Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about
that. So what was work before things
shifted? Yeah, so I mean, similar to you,
right? Like it's just when when you get
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let go and you don't expect it, it's just like you're hit with
like a ton of bricks. You're like, what the fuck just
happened? I am a top performer.
I was a top performer. Like there's no way I would have
thought that that would have happened.
But now looking back at it like it, it really was for the best,
I think. I think before that I was going
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to travelling everywhere. They were sending me to London,
to Brussels, to LA. It was like, you're the star.
Let's get the star to talk aboutour products.
Yeah, so. So like what was the feeling
like, you know, towards the the tail end, did you notice any
shifts or anything or was it like more a little like abrupt
and sudden? You know, I think the shift
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actually was more me than the company.
I think I felt the shift of like, they're like, this isn't
working for me anymore. But their decision was really
abrupt. I definitely thought I had the
upper hand, which I mean was a little naive now that I look
back. At Wait, share a little bit
more. Yeah, you know, like when you
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get into a company like it's, it's like those memes, those
reels that people are posting day three on the job.
You're so excited, like bright eyed, bushy tailed, like, you
know, like 304 hundred days intoyour job, you're like, OK, try
me, try me. Because you know, you, you kind
of feel like you have the upper hand.
And so I, I started getting unhappy and I thought it was
(04:04):
going to be one of those things where they find out that I'm
unhappy and they're going to tryto make amends.
But it wasn't like that at all. Oh, so like they just went in
the direction that you were about to go in pretty much.
Totally. Yeah, they, they, I mean, when
it all happened, I said it, it definitely, it accelerated the
inevitable is what I was saying.So I, I, I thought I had the
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upper hand. I said, you know, I'm going to
quit this job whether or not I have something lined up.
That's how bad it got. But then they caught wind of it
and they're like, yeah, nice try, we're going to let you go
instead. How did they catch wind of it?
Yeah. You know this, I mean, this is
something that I think you touched on under previous
podcast is you, you can't trust everyone you have.
(04:49):
To like, pick and choose who to trust.
Yeah. So like what happened on your
end? Yeah, so I, I always, honestly,
I prided myself on being able topick and choose who I was
trusting. I, I always thought I had like a
really good like idea of like the right people to trust like,
you know, I, I prided myself like I keep a good circle.
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I know like who's who, but I didn't.
And so, you know, some people have really, really thick mask
and I shared with a colleague who I thought was a friend that
I was going to be leaving and I thought I was sharing it in
confidence and it was not in confidence.
And it kind of funneled up to the executives and bit me less.
So let's talk about the moment you realize that you trusted the
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wrong Co worker. How did that feel for you?
Yeah, honestly, I think so. We we, we talk about spiraling,
right? Like after the layoff, you're
like, Oh my God, I can't believethat happened to me.
Like there's a lot that goes in that, but for me, like it was
less about the company making that decision and me looking
inward and being like, holy shit, I thought I knew how to
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trust people. Like you don't really think that
like trusting people is a skill set, but I kind of thought it
was a skill set and I thought I'd mastered it.
And that's what really fucked meup.
I was talking to my friends and I was telling them like, I just
can't trust anyone now. And people would be like, whoa,
let's pump the brakes. It's not like you can't trust
anyone. It's just you need to pick and
choose a little better or who you're trusting.
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Well, that's funny, though, because like, I think going back
to what you just said, you know,when you're like, you don't say
you can't trust anyone, right. But it's that thing where you
feel like you can trust that oneperson.
Yeah, that can actually destroy a lot.
Yeah. Right.
Because like you can trust like your best friend, but if they go
behind your back and do something like it breaks trust
across a lot of things, right? Yeah.
(06:40):
So this goes to my next one is like how did that shift your
view on being open and vulnerable with Co workers at
work or even with anyone? Yeah, no, I, I I think that was
the biggest shift for me. That was like my like like
turning point of like the the spiralling right.
It was like I always thought that I could trust my Co workers
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just as much as I could trust myfriends.
Like I thought that we were making friends at work.
Yeah. I know, and I've met so many.
People, everyone's family at work, right?
Right, that's so many people, somany people listening to this
podcast are like, Oh my God, she's so dumb.
How could she trust a Co worker?Because my husband was the same
way. He's like, I told you, you trust
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people too easily. And it's like honestly, like
it's really interesting, right? Because I've always been at part
of really small organizations, like startups where everyone
does feel like, you know, we're A-Team, where we're getting, you
know, we're, I am the price together.
Like we're doing this, like together.
Yeah. And so there's this like,
togetherness that I, I think I've had a false sense of.
(07:48):
Like, I don't know what the wordis.
Like I was leaning on that too much.
Right. Like, I just thought you and I
are part of the same company. So that must mean that you are
just invested in my success as much as I'm invested in yours.
And that's not true. Oh.
My God, me and you are like the same person because I trust
everyone I work. So is that and, and honestly,
(08:10):
it's changed a lot now. I mean, I've started a new job
and the, the culture is different, but I'm still, I'm
still just figuring out my footing, right?
I'm, I'm way more cautious now. Like my walls are up.
Yeah. I just, I, I don't want to say
the wrong thing. I don't want to share the wrong
information. Yeah.
You're very careful of what you say.
(08:32):
Yeah. So like, what boundaries have
you created since you've startedthis new job with everyone that
you work with? Yeah, You know what?
I think I'm, I, I didn't realizethis until speaking to a a new
colleague recently. But I think I'm, I think I'm
getting into this position whereit's like, OK, if he or he or
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she shares something that's likea secret, that means I could
share one of my secrets. You know, like it's kind of
like, it's kind of tit for tat now because it's like, OK, well,
they're showing me that they cantrust me versus I was always the
one kind of offering the candy first, right?
I'm like, here, here is a tidbitof information that I, I'm going
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to share with you so that we cancreate a really good
relationship. But now I'm kind of just waiting
for the candies to come to me. I'm like.
Because sometimes I think it is a bit of a tactic when someone
does, because you kind of have to like flip it, right?
You do have to flip it a little bit.
Like if they're the ones tellingyou something and then you tell
them, they might take that and take.
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It somewhere else they might be like giving you a candy they
don't even like. I've learned in my years in
corporate, you just can't trust everyone, right?
But I never take my own advice. Yeah, because, because you get
candies. You get candies, Yeah, Yeah, but
you also never. The thing is, you never know
where these relationships might like, lead to.
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Yeah. Because like, after my layoff, a
lot of the, the people that I'velike worked with, they've become
really good friends, right. So like, do you still keep in
touch with a lot of people? Yeah, Yeah.
I have a lot of who I consider friends now that were past
colleagues like and I feel like that kind of makes me want to
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trust my Co workers because I have a pool of like really good
friends that I can lean on like for anything for career advice.
Like this is different subset ofpeople, right?
People that you know as ex colleagues are people that you
go to for career advice or soundboarding when you're having like
corporate trauma or issues. They're different from your
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friends from high school or college, right?
And so I still tap into that subset of friends.
And I think that's kind of what makes me believe that what made
let me past tense that what mademe believe that you could trust
all your coworkers. So when you got laid off, right
or like, what do you like to say?
I got let go. Let go, OK, Live and let go.
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What was the emotional spiral actually like for you?
Yeah, this, this is something that resonated with me when I
heard your first podcast. I was just like, this is how I
felt. I I think yours was a little
more delayed. Mine was very much immediate.
Mine was like, what the fuck just happened?
Like, like, because I told you, right.
I, I really thought like, I had the upper hand here.
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I was a top performer and I was like, Oh my God, I'm not worth
anything. Yeah, like I'm not worth it to
them and so. That's how you felt.
That is how I felt, right? That's how I felt and I just it
made me spiral like my friends when I was telling my friends it
was embarrassing, right? It was it was I like I kind of
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went into a hermit hole for a little bit.
I like, like, I I ghosted some of my friends because I was
like, I just don't want to talk to anyone right now.
Yeah. Because I don't want to explain
to them the situation. I mean, I had a friend that I
was supposed to meet up for dinner and I just kept pushing
it off because I was like, I don't want to have to talk about
it. I don't want to tell anyone.
Yeah. And I just, I realized how much
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of myself worth I was tying to my net worth.
Like, yeah, yeah, that's fair, right.
Like, that's fucked up. Why do we do that?
I'd that's my thing. I don't know why we do that.
Like, you know, pretty sure you heard like it, it hit me like
like 3 weeks ago, right? Like I've started to pull back
from a lot of people. I've snapped on a few people.
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Yeah, my poor husband. You're what?
My poor husband. I know, right?
Like I've snapped on some friends, right?
Like, and it's not them. Yeah, like, I know it's me and
what I'm going through. Yeah, I'm frustrated.
I'm pissed. Yeah, I'm annoyed.
I'm angry. And you don't really know how to
deal with it because you've never.
Gone through it before. Feeling like this normal, which
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is thank God for creating this podcast.
I mean, hearing you like, it resonated with me because I'm
like, OK, I mean, outside of like the random LinkedIn post
that you see from people like that are getting laid off.
Like if you're reading those chunk of texts, like that's
where you're getting a lot of like the soundboard information,
but you don't really get it anywhere else.
Yeah. Right.
So like, what were the hardest things to hear from yourself
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during that time when you were laid off?
Yeah, that's a good one. So I, I think I told you a
little bit about it. It was like when I was telling
my friends about it, they're like, oh, no worries or like,
oh, this happened to me too. Remember.
And I'm like, actually, I don't remember because you're my
friend and I don't think your let your layoff did not define
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you. And I actually forgot I had a
friend who got laid off like twoor three years ago.
She's like, dude, this this exact situation happened to me
and I'm like, Oh my God, I forgot about that.
And honestly that's what made merealize holy shit people aren't
going to care about this as muchas I care about it.
Like because I I don't speak to myself kindly or I I, I realized
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I didn't speak to myself kindly.Why was that so hard to believe?
I because you're you're you are your own worst critic.
Yeah, like I, I told you that. Do you believe me?
No. I mean, because I'm still
looking for, I'm still job hunting.
Yes, but you're still you're still days like you're months
behind me, right, like I have, Ihave a little bit of a lead up
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for from. You one month, yes.
So that means I have a month you.
Have a month, right? Someone hire me?
OK. You have things in the pipeline
though. What pipeline?
I'm trying to be in someone else's pipeline.
I'm not trying to build my own fucking pipeline.
Yeah, I know you need to find a pipeline that pays.
Fucking find me a sugar daddy with the pipeline.
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The big ass pipeline that pays. I'd do anything but anyways.
So like what made that so hard to believe?
Yeah, it's like you're just hardon yourself.
That's that's how I was always. But when I realized that, when I
realized that I was really hard on myself, I made it a mission
during this layoff period. Like I'm going to work on that.
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I'm going to start these daily affirmations.
I'm going to figure out how to make myself believe what other
people believe about me. So when you were, you know, laid
off or let go and you were trying to find like, the next
thing, what did you do on a day-to-day basis to like, keep
yourself going and keep yourselfmotivated?
Cycling, I had to start like something.
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I was like I need to put something in my routine.
So you just started? Cycling, I just started, yeah.
Four days a week, four or five days a.
Week. Oh my God.
So that just kept you going then?
Yeah, because I was like, I needa routine, otherwise I'm just
going to be like a sloth in bed.Like I just I was.
It's hard, Yeah. Yeah, it's it's hard getting out
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of bed, Yeah. When you don't have anything,
what your purpose is? Right, you're like, I have
nothing on the. Calendar, Yeah.
When you when you were laid off or or let go, did you
immediately start looking for a job?
No, I gave myself a week. I gave myself a week to be sad.
And then I was like, I know, I know.
Yeah. But I, you know, yeah, just a
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week. Well, I was already kind of
applying for jobs. Oh, so you're already ahead of
the process? Right.
I was OK. So that was the thing.
I was ahead of the process, but also I was in late stage
interviews with a company and they got back to me the my last
day of work and they told me I didn't get it.
So I was sad for two reasons. I was like, I don't have a job
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and the job that I wanted just rejected me.
And so I was like, OK, I need a week.
Like give me a week just to be sad about everything.
So you got dumped twice. Yeah, I did.
Damn. Did you put it like that?
I did. If by June or July you still
don't have anything, you have permission to panic.
But after BAMP, I was like, OK, I'm this is like, let's chill
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out a little bit. Let's just believe that what's
in the cards for us will come. That's it was kind of my reset.
On top of that, I was with my family and family time is always
like much cousin time, not family time.
So you're you gave yourself until June or July, which means
I should be giving myself until July or August, right?
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In the current state that we're the economy is in, Yeah, It's
fun, right? It's fucked up.
It's so fucked up. Like it's so fucking shitty.
Yes. So what was job hunting really
like, both emotionally and logistically, for you?
Yeah. So emotionally I was like, it
was, it was frustrating because like, if you think back in what,
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20 was it 2022-2023, it was like, oh, the great resignation.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And everyone's all entitled. It was like, I'm gonna leave
this company because I'm gonna get more money somewhere else.
Yeah. And then it's like, damn, just
in two years, it's so different.It was such an employer's
market. And you could tell by just
talking to recruiters and hiringmanagers.
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They just knew you were at the mercy of whatever they wanted.
Right. That kind of, yeah.
You would apply, you'd get interviewed, you'd get the job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then now it's like, OK,
well, now the employers can ask whatever questions they want.
They don't even have to treat you really well.
Recruiters ghost you all the time.
So that's the other thing. Are you experiencing that too?
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Yeah, I think, you know, I've been job hunting since the day I
got LED laid off, right? And I've applied for over 150
jobs. I have this entire Excel
spreadsheet. You love data.
That I love data. I do love data.
And I document everything that I'm doing, right?
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And I apply. Yeah, like it goes into the
abyss. Like, it goes into like a black
hole. Not the type of hole I'm trying
to get into in 2025, but it justgoes somewhere, right?
I feel like my applications are just disappearing into like the
fucking abyss. But let's talk about the abyss
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that you're fucking, the black hole that you don't want.
I don't want that whole. Yeah, it's it's because everyone
is mass applying. And so like, these companies are
getting thousands of applicants for people that may or may not
be qualified because everyone's in panic.
So that's the other shit I want to talk about, right?
Qualifications. Because you look at a job
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posting, you're like, I'm qualified for that job.
They want five years of this, I got it.
They want this. I got it.
You're like, they want this, I got it.
And then you get a generic e-mail that said we move forward
with other candidates that are more qualified than you.
Right. And you get a canned message,
which is like even more like I applied for one of my company's
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biggest competitors. I got a generic rejection
e-mail. So like how many jobs did you
apply for And then how did ghosting and or rejection affect
your confidence? So I applied to about 150.
I think it was a confidence, what is it dejector in the right
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way, right, Because it made me look back at my resume and make
make tweaks and I feel like I got my resume to a point where
then I was getting more hits from the right companies and
including the right information in it.
So you adjusted the resume to what the companies were looking?
For right, And I wasn't doing that before.
I was kind of just like, OK, this resume is good and it
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should be good for all of these.But now I'm like OK, if I really
want this, like I need to reallylike compare the job description
and see what they actually want.Did you find any success in that
you start getting more interviews?
Yeah. How many interviews did you get?
I I think in total I got 12 or 13 interviews.
Oh, go you. Yeah, I felt like cool, like I
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finally like, I, I felt like I finally hit like the right
resume that was resonating to these recruiters.
Did you ever find yourself applying for jobs that you
didn't even want just to feel productive?
Yes. Really.
You know, when you're job hunting, you kind of like,
logistically are setting up goals.
If I apply to 10 jobs this week,I'm gonna call that a good week,
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right? Ten.
Yeah. No, I usually do like 3 to 4
jobs a day. Yeah, yeah.
So that was kind of what I was doing.
And I was just like, OK, well, it's like the only thing you
have, you make a commitment to yourself and you're like your
only ally right now. And so I was applying to jobs
even if I didn't want it becauseI was like, I just need to hit
my metric. Like I just, I think I just
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needed to be in work mode for some reason.
Like I was like, OK, there's a metric that I set for myself.
I need to hit that metric. And that's why I was applying
for jobs. Did you network at all?
Yes, yes. How was networking like for you?
It was, it was hard at first because you don't want to reach
out to people. You're like, hey, I don't have a
job right now, please help me. OK, why did?
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OK, why did you feel that way? I don't know because you never
like, it was unexpected. You don't think you'll be like a
like a, you don't think you'd bea part of the statistic.
But everyone that I reached out to was really helpful.
Like someone was like, oh, creamalways writes to the top.
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OK, yes, yes. So I reached out to my network
and they like, that was their first reaction to it.
And I was like, oh, like this person I haven't worked with for
gosh, 7-8 years and he still thinks of me as a top performer
and was like, so happy to open his network and help me.
Like, sure, I'll send the referral, right?
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And and that was really hard forme because I think when you're
looking at your network, you kind of like are thinking like,
when was the last time I had theconversation with this person?
Oh yeah. Hundred yeah.
Facts. Right, right.
Cuz you're like, I don't want todo that.
But then you get you're a littledesperate and you're like, well,
there's no ill will. And this is LinkedIn.
That's what this is for. That's what.
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LinkedIn is. Literally what it's for.
It's a network for professionals, right?
To talk about stuff like. This and they should expect
this, right? Yeah.
And yeah, I was able to leveragemy network.
Past clients helped me and people were updating and writing
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the LinkedIn. What is it?
The testimonials. Yeah, testimonials.
Yeah, yeah. So it was helpful and gosh, even
when I posted my new, I was telling Gerald as my husband, I
posted my new job update and I just saw all these people from
my network congratulating me. And I'm like, oh, I haven't
talked to this person in 10 years.
I haven't talked to him in 12 years.
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And like they still care enough to like like this post.
And so it was a really good reminder like you can tap into
your network even though you don't think.
Yeah, when I posted my layoff story, when I posted my layoff
on LinkedIn, a lot of people message me.
It's a it's a little scary because you don't know, it's
like I haven't, like you said, Ihaven't spoken to this person in
so long. What do I do?
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Right, Like I have a lot of friends that are helping me, a
lot of people that I've met at the gym who are helping me, a
lot of people in my network thatare helping me.
But those referrals only get youso far.
I feel they can get you an interview but you all the rest.
Is up to. You the rest is up to you,
right? Like, yeah.
Totally. But also, you don't know how
many people are also interviewing for that job who
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have referrals. Mm hmm.
Right. So this current job that you're
in. So it was a referral from a
conversation back in December. Yeah.
And so that's how it came back around, right.
So in December she referred me and then had the interview and
then they, I left a good impression in that interview.
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So when they had an opening, it was a contractor role actually
for this company and they reached out and asked me if I
wanted it in May from my interview in January.
So like, do you feel proud of where you landed?
Yes, I am very proud. I feel like I think this company
prides itself on work life balance and like the culture is
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exactly what I'm looking for. My friend that referred me in is
kind of just giving me all the affirmations I need.
Like this was the right move. I think it's somewhere that I
could be a long term and I don'thave to continue the spiral of
like finding a new job every twoyears.
Like I I think this could be my home for a while.
Would you have done, Would you have done anything differently
in the last five months? I think the only thing I would
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have done differently is just give myself more grace in the
beginning. I but I mean, I guess, I guess
at the same time, I'm such a believer of like everything
happens for a reason. Like I needed to go through that
in order to get to where I am, but I don't know if I would
like. I think I needed the spiral.
I don't know how I feel about everything happens.
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For a reason. Really.
I mean, I do. I I do.
I do believe in that. But a lot of a lot of people I
think in the last couple months have been telling me, like,
everything happens for a reason.Like there's a reason why, like
you're not there anymore, right.And it's just like it's hard for
me to even accept something likethat.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
It could because maybe I just don't accept what happened.
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Maybe I'm having a hard time still dealing with it.
Well, here's some perspective for you.
If it didn't happen, I wouldn't be sitting here and you wouldn't
have your podcast. That's true.
Right. I mean, really like there's
there's no other reason you would have started this podcast.
That's true. That's what I think about.
So that's yeah. That's how I like this is this
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is what was supposed to happen. That's how I look at it.
And and and I nice. Of you to say yeah.
No, it's true. And like we wouldn't have
reconnected. Like exactly really like your
first podcast. Like it really spoke to me and
it. Was like.
I really thought like, someone else needs to hear this, Like
people that are going through layoffs need to hear this
because people like you and I were so type A like
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perfectionist. Like we don't want to be like,
hey, this layoff affected me. Like we want that to happen in
closed doors behind, like, you know, in our homes.
Well, no one really talks about it.
Right. You know, everyone gets scared,
Everyone gets nervous. They're like, I don't want to
talk about it because I'm tryingto look for my next job.
Yeah, I don't want to say anything wrong, even though I
have a lot more to say. Yeah, I have a ton to say
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exactly, you know, but like. This is the outlet you needed,
and it's not just yours. Like it's an outlet that a lot
of people. Need thank you.
Good point, right? Right, That was a great point.
Everything happens for. I guess everything happens for a
reason. It's.
Like OK conceded today. What did this entire experience
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teach you about trust, identity,and so forth?
That's a good one. I think that was kind of like
the theme of my layoff era, likeso, yeah.
I'm in that era right now, yeah.Yeah.
So trust, it definitely taught me kind of, you know, we had on
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that like just having more boundaries with trust, right.
Like we are over shares by nature.
We kind of like I think, I thinkin general bubbly extroverted
personalities tend to just sharelike whatever you want to share
without thinking about like the the implications that might
have, right. And so I'm dialing that back for
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sure. Myself identity, I think I tied
a lot to. I mean, I was like self worth
equals net worth. That was all I ever thought,
right? Like I think in immigrant
households, it's like if you aresuccessful, it's because you
make a lot of money. And I definitely have shifted.
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I think, you know, turning down $40,000 or I'm doing it because
like I want long term success. Like I need longevity in
corporate now. Like I can't just keep job
hopping every two years. I can't do it anymore.
Cuz you'll know you're making that money up somewhere else.
Eventually, right, Right. It's like a long term play,
right? But your girl's getting old.
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I can't be like job hunting. You're like, what, 25?
Thank you. Yeah, I just, I, I think that's
what shifted that, that self identity piece so much.
And I, I was telling all my friends, I'm like, this feels so
crazy. For a long time after I accepted
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company BI was like, was this the right decision?
I can't believe I just said no to that much money.
It's a lot of money. It was the biggest offer I've
ever I've ever got. For real.
And you said no to it. I.
Said no. How did Gerald take it?
He my saying to have a husband, he was like, I just want to make
sure that this is making like this is what's going to make you
happy because he's seen me like just like in these roles that
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eventually I get into this burnout.
It was truly burnout. We didn't even, that's the first
time I said this word, but it was burnout.
Yeah, that's what it was like the the work life balance, the
unhappiness, that was burnout. You're just tired of.
Doing it, yeah. And he just wanted to see me
happy. And I was like, wait, I just
want to let you know nothing that I'm accepting for a job is
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ever going to make me happy because I just don't want to
work. So Stephanie, if someone
listening is in mid spiral in their job hunt, what would you
say to them? Honestly, I mean, I said it to
you. I just, you got to trust the
process. Everything happens for a reason.
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Yeah, I think that's how I feel I've landed, right.
I just feel like I heard it fromeveryone.
I didn't believe it and then I just leaned into it and then I
kind of ended up getting what I wanted.
Yeah, that's good advice. Yeah, I mean you just gotta
trust the process. I know like Also don't read
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Reddit threads I. Would I try to say off Reddit?
Oh my God, the subreddit for interviews and unemployment.
Oh my God it's such like doom and gloom.
I would say stay off of that. What's the worst thing you read
on? There, I mean, I was reading
like someone was like about to be on house.
They're like losing all their money, like they burn through
their savings and it's just really sad, like, and I think
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that's why it's just better to stay off of it.
I think it's, I mean, I guess it's good to have that.
Like, it made me grateful for mysituation, but it it doesn't
feel good to read that and and know that that's hard.
Yeah, you know, that that's whatpeople are going through.
But yeah, I think trust the process.
Everything happens for a reason.What's your post, Layoff mantra
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or affirmation? Post layoff mantra.
Set your boundaries, girl. Set your boundaries.
Israel tells me that all the time.
Don't tell everyone everything. Yeah, I mean, don't tell
everyone everything, but also like, don't run towards burnout.
Did you feel like you were burntout?
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I think in January when that shift happened, when I was like,
I was telling my colleague that I so trusted that.
Yeah. What did, what did Burnout look
for you like? What did Burnout look like for
you? Fucking waking up every day with
anxiety. Like am I doing things right?
Like am I forgetting something? Like it's just yeah, just
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thinking about work all the time.
Not being able to actually like shut down or rest, Not having
good night's sleep. I'm like.
Why were you waking up with anxiety though?
Because of work. Like, was it so much pressure
for you? Yeah, it was.
It was just like when you're a part of a smaller startup
company, I think you feel like there aren't enough resources to
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delegate your responsibilities. So the weight of the
responsibilities on you. And so I always wanted to do
right by my customers. I always wanted to make sure
that they were. So in my role, I have to make
sure that the customers are getting what they pay for.
They are seeing the value in theproducts, right?
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And so that was weighing heavilyon me because I was like, I want
everyone to be happy. And so I think naturally, like
when things feel like they're falling apart or product
releases are being delayed, likethat falls on me.
And that's where my anxiety camefrom.
It's like is, is the bug that I've, I promised was going to be
fixed? Is that going to be fixed?
And then who's gonna tell the customer?
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Is that my problem? And it was just like constantly
trying to be like 5 or 10 steps ahead of things like that was
creating that anxiety. My anxiety was completely
different. What was yours?
My anxiety was more like am I doing a good job for the like my
boss and stuff? For the company.
Yeah, like is my boss or like are the people that I work with
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like watching my every move eventhough we work remotely?
Yeah, cuz I knew not to like, you know, make myself like, say
I'm like the best at what I do. I knew that I was doing a great
job at what I did. But you didn't know if you were
telling. Exactly.
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I didn't know that that I was. Yeah, delivering to them if they
saw that. Right.
Right. Because I feel like in the world
that we're in, the more that youdo, the more they want.
Yeah. And if you're not hitting that,
you're constantly being judged. Yep.
Right. And that creates that anxiety.
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Yeah, I think, no, I, I get whatyou mean.
It's just like you have to, I think I'm not good at this, but
I think when you are in corporate, you also have to be
your your best advocate. Like you have to raise your hand
and be like, hey, FYII finished ABC.
Hey, FYI, these are the things Idelivered.
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Like you can't rely on someone else to be like, Joseph did a
great job and here's why. You kind of have to be like, I
did a great job and here's why. So it's like becoming your own
advocate. Oh yeah, 100%.
There were sometimes in meetingswhere there'd be like this
happened, I'd be like, yeah, that was me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so.
I did that, yeah, that. Anxiety of like you're not
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getting the recognition that youdeserve.
Yeah. Would you go through it all
again to be where you're at now?So I would do it all over again
because because I got let go, I was able to apply for
unemployment. And I think that gave me some
breathing room that I would havenot had otherwise because I was
ready because of my burnout to just be like, OK, I'm done.
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Like, yeah, I didn't want to be there anymore.
I don't care if I have anything lined up, but because they
caught wind of it and they let me go, I was able to apply for
unemployment and that helped ease the extra anxiety that I
would have had. You were just done, yeah.
You're over it. I was.
And burnout's real. Yeah.
(36:01):
Like it happened. Like right now in the culture
that we're in, like burnout is big.
I think with our parents, they didn't experience.
Burnout. No, no.
With our parents, it was like find one company and work there
for 30 years. That's exactly what they did.
Just stay there. Don't move.
Yeah. Be be grateful for what you
have. Right.
(36:22):
Yeah, Be grateful for the job that you have.
But nowadays it's very different.
Like people move around, they want more money, they want
better titles. Yeah, You know that.
Like for me, I feel like in the generation that like, I like I'm
in more of an like a older millennial, right?
I'm more like I don't like what are you I'm.
(36:44):
I'm 30. 7 So you're OK? So you're with me, right?
I don't know if you want to say your age on camera or anything,
but I think we're comfortable where we're at and we don't
wanna move. Yep, Right.
We give 110% to the places that we work at.
(37:05):
Right. And we want that to be home.
We want that to be home. We want it to be family because
that's what our parents taught us.
It's. Like I think Gen.
Z is kind of like, Nah, I'm out like.
Yeah, their boundaries. Are high yeah yes and I'm like
dude good I I watch Gen. Z and I'm like Tim I love Gen.
Z good for you but at A at a certain point I'm like OK, but
(37:27):
you're not going to get any experience if you're.
Not right, right. I think that's what matters more
is the experience of what peoplehave, right?
So, like for us, we have a lot of experience, yeah, with what
we do, right. But with Gen.
ZS, they're like hopping around.They're just jumping around.
So I don't know what that's going to like look like in like
(37:47):
5 to 10 years from now. It's going to be interesting to
see what the. I know corporate world.
It is really interesting to see like compare our early careers
to theirs. Yeah.
It's like very unstable for them, yes, Yeah.
But also like it is a byproduct of the times, right?
(38:09):
Yeah. Hi, Stephanie.
Yay. So this is rapid fire section.
Yeah, OK. OK.
Are you ready? I don't know, maybe I feel like
I need to erase myself. Don't worry, we're not gonna
have any sexual positions this time.
I was like, OK, what is my favorite sexual position?
That might be on here, don't worry.
(38:31):
What's your emotional support snack when life isn't snacking
back? Ruffles cheddar, cheddar and
sour cream chips. For real.
Yes 100% I will take those down.Like I think those are the
absolute best chips and I don't.They are pretty ruffles are
pretty fucking bond. I don't buy them because I know
I will take them like I will eatit all.
(38:51):
So who buys them? Joe will buy them if he knows
I'm sad. So you must have had a lot of
ruffles, a lot like people. Yeah.
Mine would probably be TJ's cones.
Those little mini. Cones and serving size is like 3
and I ate the whole box so yeah.What's your rejection?
E-mail ick. My rejection e-mail ick, is no
(39:14):
rejection e-mail. Yeah, it's like they know, like,
you know, you got rejected, but you just don't hear from them.
I hate it when people do that. Yeah, or the rejection ick is
like, oh, you know, you haven't heard from them in you know, 3
weeks and then they send you onelike 3 months.
Later, 3 months later, yeah. 'Cause they know, like they're
finally cleaning up their system.
(39:36):
That's my. Rejection.
That's your rejection e-mail. Mine's like we were impressed by
your background, just not enoughto hire you.
What the fuck? That's actually true, I have got
that one. Right.
You're like. Yeah, but other candidates were
better. Other candidates were more
qualified with What if your resume had a thirst trap, what
(40:00):
would it be? So it does have a thirst trap.
It's Presidents Club qualified 3times.
That's my, that's my thirst trap.
That's saying I am an overachiever three years in a
row. That's my thirst trap.
What happened in those three years?
Look about that. Anyway.
(40:21):
Mine would be still professionally flexible.
Call me, we're on the same page on that one.
I feel right. Get me to that President circle.
(40:41):
What's the most unhinged thing you've you've ever Googled?
But make it safer Podcasting. Or don't.
What is the most unhinged thing?Yeah, most unhinged thing that
I've googled. I don't know.
I did mine the other day. What was yours?
(41:03):
What's reverse cowgirl for gays?All right, we'll skip that one.
What's one thing that should never be said during a job
interview or in bed? Oh, that's a good one.
I'm not witty enough for this. Really.
(41:27):
You already have like 10 different things in your head,
huh? You do.
We like to move fast. You'll wear a lot of hats.
What else do you want to? Say, oh, you like to move slow.
I like to move slow. What's a phrase that sounds
corporate but also kind of hot? Oh, let's take this offline.
(41:51):
I love that. I love that Stephanie Dirty.
What's? Yours.
Let's take this offline. I have a couple of them.
Can you share your availability?Let's circle back.
Oh yeah, circle back. I'm like, what else is there?
(42:13):
What's your professional love language?
Empathy. Really.
Mm hmm. What?
Because I'm a customer success manager.
God mine's acts of service. I see in the seven.
Yeah, I love servicing anyone that's professional.
(42:35):
I guess words of affirmation would be better.
That's a good one. Yeah.
Yeah. What's your dream role,
professionally or positionally? Professionally, I don't know.
I mean, I, I think I like what Ido.
And then sexually, I'm just likeyou.
I like missionary. Oh my God.
(43:03):
But game missionary is very different.
Than straight missionary I know I.
Think in the last episode we show with game missionary.
No, I know. In my dream role, professionally
or or positionally, it would be like spooned on the rooftop with
benefits. Benefits.
(43:25):
That's it. That's an important.
One. Yeah.
What's something that turns you on?
What? Cream.
Rises. Cream rises to the top.
To the rooftop. To the rooftop.
Exactly what's something that turns you on professionally?
Punctuality, yeah. I feel like respecting people's
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time is the best thing that you can do professionally.
Mine's salary transparency with eye contact.
Salary transparency can get really intimate it.
Can get very intimate. It's like I'm gonna pay you this
much. You're like to do what?
All right, Stephanie, how are you feeling?
(44:09):
I'm feeling light and airy. I love that you've laid out a
lot of dirt, a lot of tea, and that was a full on fucking
cardio class for the soul. I'm glad you're feeling good and
thank you for being here. A huge thanks to you for
reminding us that getting let godoesn't mean letting go of
yourself. Because you found yourself your
(44:30):
proof that you can lose a job and still find clarity,
boundaries, and a sense of humorand maybe even some peace with
the side of Seltzer and Kingston's judgmental eye.
Because I'm sure probably gave you a little bit of side eye
quite a bit. If this episode made you feel
seen, spiraled, or softly screamed same into your pillow,
please subscribe, write and review or send it to someone
(44:53):
who's on the job hunt. Follow along on Instagram
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professionals. Also, if you have a story that
deserves airtime. If you've also been laid off and
want to share your stuff, e-mailme at
(45:13):
clockedincheckedoutpod@gmail.comor slide into my DMS at Clocked
In Checked Out Pod. Fake names, wild stories, and
spicy DMS welcome. Until then, don't check your
fucking e-mail after 9:00 PM. Go slip there.
We know that. And remember, clock out, log
off, and spiral responsibly. Thanks for listening.
(45:33):
Cheers Stephanie. Bye.
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