CMC Podcast

CMC Podcast

The CMC Podcast is a platform for well-informed, collaborative and open minded conversations around rope rescue and rope access topics in a roundtable discussion format. Our aim is to inspire further research, testing and feedback around products and techniques through stories and lessons from experts. For more information visit


April 6, 2022 64 min

A Podcast of Podcasts! Podcast hosts Doug McElmury, of the CMC podcast, Mark Pfeifer, of the Ronin RescueCast, and Christopher Feder, of Rescue Connection LIVE!, sit down for a round table discussion.


15:03 Ronin interview with Kathy Gill

16:58 MTS interview with Kathy Gill

21:47 CMC Large Animal Rescue Podcast

28:04 Ronin RescueCast - Gen Z in Rescue Podcast

44:17 CMC Podcast Arizona Vortex Pt. I of II

44:30 CMC Podcast Arizona Vo...

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In this episode, Jim Pellitteri Battalion Chief from the Gurnee (IL) Fire Department and and Chris Rohde Director of Training at the McHenry Township Fire Protection District discuss what swiftwater is, some of the most common misconceptions about it and fundamentals to consider. They give some examples of swiftwater specific dangers and give tips for how to safely and effectively navigate swiftwater rescue.

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0:40 Jim Pel...

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In this episode, Clara Acuna talks about the many operations that take place at the Ice Harbor Lock and Dam and reveals some of the unique challenges that the on site rescue team has to be prepared for.


0:55 Introduction

5:42 Overview of Ice harbor public services

6:57 Overview of fish passage

12:51 Overview of the lock system

17:40 How do the functions of a hydro electric damn affect the role of safety specialist?

26:02 Benefits o...

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February 2, 2022 61 min

Many innovations in technical rescue have stemmed from the cold, wet, dark and challenging conditions of caves. These environments make for unique rescue scenarios that require creative solutions with minimal amounts of gear.

In this episode Doug McElmury hosts a roundtable discussion with Carrey Bull, Justin Wheaton, Tim White and Andy Armstrong about some of the unique challenges that cave rescue teams encounter like: communicatio...

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The MABAS Divisions 4 & 5 Specialized Response Teams (SRT) works with its over 40 member fire departments across northeastern Illinois to coordinate specialized response services to protect the health and safety of the public. Teams are trained to respond to a wide range of emergencies such as hazardous materials releases, structural collapses, rope, confined space or trench rescues, water rescues and/or recoveries as well as w...

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December 29, 2021 40 min

We apologize for some background chatter in the first several minutes of this episode. It is cleared up after 5:30

1:35 Standards as they relate to the MRA.

15:30 To prepare for accreditation and make sure teams mission ready, what types of training does the MRA offer?

23:38 What was/is MRA's role in NATRS (North American Technical Rescue Symposium) which is now ITRS?

31:38 How is MRA involved with ICAR (International Commission of...

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December 15, 2021 47 min

0:23 Chris Boyer introduction

1:12 John McKently introduction

2:35 Standards, training, certification.

16:00 Examples of how NASAR builds educational content

20:53 How do you select who your trainers and evaluators are going to be?

38:52 Has new technology driven change in the lifecycle of certification?

40:20 Hug-a-tree NASAR general public education.



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    November 24, 2021 38 min
    Thank you to all of our podcast listeners! As we gather with loved ones and slow down for the holiday it's a good time to share about the things and people we are grateful for. In this Thanksgiving Special episode CMC instructors discuss what they're grateful for around technical rescue including testing methodologies, new ways of sharing knowledge and the people who have impacted their careers and driven the technical resc...
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    November 3, 2021 59 min

    0:24 Doug McCall Introduction

    2:09 Monty Bell Introduction

    3:51 John McKently Introduction

    5:20 History of the MRA

    10:45 What is the accreditation process for the MRA?

    18:27 Reaccreditation

    19:40 What training opportunities are offered through the MRA?

    23:40 California reaccreditation

    31:17 MRA statistics program

    38:35 MRA Basecamp online outdoor education

    42:37 Medical protocols

    45:37 Medical communication resources

    46:55 What's next for ...

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    October 20, 2021 50 min

    0:20 NASAR Executive Director Chris Boyer introduction.

    1:37 John McKently introduction and involvement with NASAR.

    3:54 What does search look like in the US today?

    7:57 How did NASAR get started?

    10:54 When did the organization start expanding eastward?

    13:42 Are there any states that put SAR in the hands of fire from a legislation standpoint?

    18:28 What's the difference between SAR and USAR?

    25:19 Mass rescue operations and wide are...

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    August 18, 2021 48 min

    0:08 What is GRIMP?

    1:43 How GRIMP North America came to be.

    13:33 Training for provided CMC gear.

    16:45 What was it like to be a participant at the first GRIMP North America?

    19:30 How did GRIMP change the way you operate afterwards?

    24:45 If given the opportunity, would you participate in the event again?

    25:40 What's in the works for GRIMP North America 2022?

    26:30 What is a GRIMP team composed of?

    27:15 How were teams evaluated and...

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    August 11, 2021 52 min

    0:07 Introductions

    0:48 How does CMC decide what products to develop and focus on?

    5:10 What does the development process look like once you decide what products to pursue?

    10:18 Can you talk about the design and engineering process for the CLUTCH?

    14:00 The challenges that come from the variability of rope.

    15:00 Ware testing

    18:14 How did you go about the design and engineering for the ATOM harness?

    22:50 What was involved in brining th...

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    July 21, 2021 57 min

    Episode Notes:

    0:20 Dr. John Madigan introduction and background.

    2:20 What got you into the animal rescue portion of this field after you became a veterinarian?

    7:30 Background and uses of the Anderson Sling

    11:25 Large Animal Lift sling

    12:15 The Loops System

    14:48 Training and maintaining proficiency with the Loop System

    18:18 Is it necessary or preferable to sedate the animal prior to moving or lifting the animal with any of the three...

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    June 30, 2021 40 min


    0:35 How does NFPA compliant gear as well as modern gear in general change what we do, how we rig and the way we operate?

    1:18 Redundancy - What needs to be backed up and what doesn't? Starting with harness.

    3:40 Redundancy of anchors and specifically anchor points.

    11:00 Redundancy in anchor plates.

    13:30 Redundant carabiners in twin tension systems.

    18:35 Redundancy in edge protection.

    23:48 Change of direction in twin tensi...

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    1:17 Real people vs manikins?

    9:16 Do you know of people who still use manikins?

    10:24 Confined space training and realistic spaces - are you training as you would conduct a real rescue?

    11:58 Who do you contact to get access to real spaces to training in?

    17:40 What is the purpose of training and what are the different goals?

    19:38 Are you learning a skill or doing a realistic training?

    22:00 Training with realistic resources and man po...

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    June 2, 2021 56 min


    1:46 What would you say makes a rescue 'backcountry' as opposed to something else?

    6:02 Volunteer retention in SAR?

    13:40 Easy in, easy out.

    17:50 MRA competency.

    22:32 Maintaining competency and standards.

    27:00 How do you test competency? How do you design tests so that people aren't just training to pass the test.

    30:55 Who supplies medical support for the wilderness teams?

    36:29 Search

    44:16 Do you have two sets of ge...

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    May 19, 2021 93 min

    3:39 Dale, what was your first exposure to bailout systems?

    9:35 When you started off making procedures and figuring out how to do bailout in the 90's, was it mostly trial and error?

    15:43 LeRoy, What was your first exposure to bailout?

    19:42 Dale, do you remember your first solid bailout kit?

    21:48 Dale, are you an escape belt guy or a harness in the pants guy?

    24:14 LeRoy, were you a an escape belt guy or a harness in the pants gu...

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  • Many of the activities discussed in this podcast pose a very substantial risk of serious injury or death.
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    4:00 YouTube Video - Vortex drop 2012  Paper - 2007 ITRS Presentation on Belay Line Tests with Vortex "Again.....Are you REALLY on Belay" (part 2)  -  Reed Thorne from Ropes that Rescue

    6:20 YouTube Video: Rope Rescue Systems Testing - Main/Belay (Back-up) Failures

    Kirk Mauthner Sharp Edge Testing in - EMBC Rope Rescue NIF Equipment Testing Summary Report 2016 (cmd + f and search 'sharp edge')

    13:43 YouTube V...

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    1:18 There's no difference between NFPA and non-NFPA rated gear.

    10:05 What are some of the portions of NFPA testing and inspecting?

    17:25 Clarifying semantics of NFPA 'certified' vs 'classified' or 'compliant'.

    25:24 What is the evolution of the testing process?

    28:47 What gear is exempt from being NFPA compliant?

    30:17 Evolution of the standards over time.

    30:53 What impact should using NFPA gear have on the...

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