February 2, 2025 • 30 mins
Discover the inspiring journey of Susie Mierwik, a remarkable woman who has turned adversity into a thriving life of purpose and passion. From a retired kindergarten teacher to a successful entrepreneur, bestselling author, and speaker, Susie shares her transformation story filled with resilience and empowerment. Learn how she broke free from a restrictive upbringing to find freedom through education and marriage, and how her current work in phototherapy is helping others improve their health holistically. Her book, "Sow in Tears, Reap in Joy," captures the essence of her personal growth and the challenges she bravely overcame.
Explore the powerful themes of healing and empowerment as Susie opens up about her past, including the struggles of being an abused wife. Through therapy, setting boundaries, and the support of a caring community, Susie navigated her way toward healing and self-discovery. Her experiences shaped her writing and collaborative efforts in books like "Love Your Haters" and "The Power of Networking," emphasizing the importance of sharing one's voice to inspire and uplift others. Susie's story is a testament to the strength found in vulnerability and the transformative power of forgiveness and mental health awareness.
As the episode unfolds, Susie recounts moving experiences of empathy and personal connections that offer comfort in times of need. From supporting a young mother with postpartum depression to encountering a grieving stranger, she illustrates the power of kindness and community. The discussion also highlights the benefits of phototherapy, demonstrating its potential to alleviate health issues without pharmaceuticals. With gratitude for our global audience, we celebrate the courage it takes to be true to oneself and invite listeners to connect with Susie, drawing inspiration from the heartfelt stories shared throughout the episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Coach Mickey and I'm so glad that you've
joined us, and if this is yourfirst time joining us, come on
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us on a regular basis, we areso glad that you do.
And thank you so much forconnecting not only with me but
also with many of my guests thatcome on here, and we love
hearing from you, and my guestsabsolutely love the support and
hearing from you also, andwhether you're listening to this
(00:22):
on Coach Mickey and Friendspodcast or you are joining us on
our YouTube channel, thank youso much for your comments, your
questions and your suggestionsand connecting, so I would love
to bring you in today withsomebody really fun.
I love her.
I've met her through GSFE andmany times you guys have heard
me mention that on my podcastand I've had some of my guests
(00:43):
that have been here from GSFEand this woman is extraordinary.
Not only is she a retirededucation in the education
because she taught.
So it was kindergarten, right,Didn't you work kindergarten?
Yes, she's also a bestsellingauthor.
She's a speaker entrepreneur,she's got a heart as big as her
body and her business is thetech of phototherapy.
(01:06):
So we're going to cover a lotof fun stuff today.
How are you, susie?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm great, coach Mickey, and thank you so much
for having me on your show.
I love it yeah it's fun.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We're just here to have a good time, and I love
your stories because we had anopportunity to kind of talk a
little bit off screen.
But you have got a plethora ofthings that you do that not only
helps other people, but alsoyou're so giving, and not only
just with your information, butalso with a lot of your charity
work, and also that you're anauthor, and everything that you
(01:41):
seem to touch has a way ofhelping other people, so I'm
going to let you jump in andshare whatever you want to share
today.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, thank you so much and, as you said, I am a
retired teacher.
I had the pleasure of teachingkindergarten for 20 years and it
was just gold.
I loved it.
I loved watching these littlepeople rise from nothing into
readers and speakers and writers, and that was just a pleasure.
But then I also had theopportunity to start my own
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entrepreneurial business afterretiring from teaching, and so
now I help people up level theirhealth without any drugs and
chemicals.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That's awesome and well, that's a great way to
segue because we know as kids,you know everything they do when
they're smaller is going toaffect their health when they're
older, you know.
So you kind of take it to thenext level.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's true and as a matter of fact just a quick note
while I was teaching I was ableto help the parents of some of
my students as well, because youknow, a lot of kids in Southern
California have asthma symptomsand one little boy even had
rheumatoid arthritis.
But through this phototherapyproduct I was able to give it to
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their parents and they got thechildren feeling a hundred
percent better.
Of course we can't say cure ortreat, but just feeling way
better.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, well, I mean I and I understand, because when
we go the holistic route there'sthere's certain guidelines we
have to affect.
I mean I and I understand,because when we go the holistic
route there's there's certainguidelines we have to affect,
but it's still, I think it's amuch better route than, a lot of
times, the pharmaceutical route.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So I'm going to touch a little bit on your books.
I know you have.
You have authored quite a fewbooks, and not only for yourself
, but also co-authored quite afew, so could you share those
with us?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, so I wrote this book in 2020 and it's called so
in Tears, reap in Joy ATransformational Journey, and
what I did is I got out all myjournals that I had kept over
the years.
I had journals in a bigbanker's box and I started
digging through the banker's boxand what I discovered was that
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I was a little girl who was intears most of her life.
I grew up in the 50s and 60s,when children were to be seen
and not heard, and so I feltlike a little mushroom under the
surface.
You weren't allowed to speak,you weren't allowed to have any
opinions.
Don't tell us your feelings,because everything will be
squashed back.
My family was very narcissistic, and emotions were not
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something that was talked about.
Everything was under thesurface.
Later on, I realized that mymaternal grandpa had spent some
time in a mental institutionDon't really have too many of
them anymore but he justdisappeared and then reappeared
six months later like nothinghappened.
So, as I say, everything washush, hush back.
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In those days, I never feltcomfortable in my family because
questions were never answered,and I just had an internal
feeling that I had to get awayfrom that atmosphere to be
myself.
So my route was to go to college.
As a junior.
In college they had an awayyear in Chico, california, up
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north.
I grew up on the East Coast,and so this was my chance to
escape and see the big world.
Well, the upcoming event wasthat I met somebody on the last
week of college who was going tothe Navy, and he was going to
be a Navy pilot.
So I said to myself, hmm, do Iwant to marry a pilot and see
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the world, or do I want to marrythe mailman and just see the
street around the corner?
So, in my great wisdom, at thatage of 21, I chose be a pilot's
wife and see the world, which Ididn't see the world with him.
But that's another whole story.
Consequently, we married aftercollege and, you know, things
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were good for a while.
But then, as he startedtraveling around the world all
the time and we had our kids,things weren't as sunny as they
were cracked up to be.
So we had about, yeah, severalgood years and then a lot of sad
and painful years.
Anyway, after 24 years together, he divorced me on a sunny day
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in April 1997.
And I was shocked because, as Isay, I was not schooled in
emotional intelligence, and so Ididn't know the rumbles that
were happening under the surface.
Consequently, I was shattered,had to rebuild my life from
scratch and that is the contentsof the book and I wondered why
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I had such a rocky childhood andthen became a wife of an
emotionally abused wife, I'llsay, you know, and I saw all the
connections, all the learning,and then I saw a pattern of
generational trauma that wentthrough my family.
So I put it all together and Idiscovered ways to grow, improve
(06:47):
and transform my life that Ilearned in the process, and I
call these the IOUs of survival,and that's what the reader has
to uncover in this best-sellingbook.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's a pretty profound story and I you know
there's so many of us that growthrough these, these traumatic
experiences, you know, not onlyas kids, but then, like you said
, we bring it over into ouradult life and we don't realize
how much of it we're harboringand carrying as baggage as we,
as we go along, and then wewonder why things happen the way
they do.
I gotta ask you when?
(07:27):
When was the point where youyour turning point, where you
said wait a minute, this is notthe person that I need to be or
who I am.
I am so much more than that.
If you don't want me asking, doyou remember that time frame
when that was your exact, or thetime frame of that?
Was it after the divorce?
(07:48):
You know, when did you discoverthis?
Yes, actually, it it after thedivorce.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
When did you discover this?
Yes, actually, it was duringthe divorce and, interestingly
enough, my ex-husband had saidinitially oh, we'll go to
marriage counseling and we'llwork it out.
So he went once and said it wasmy fault.
So you know, that was the endof that and I went to divorce
recovery at that time, but Ididn't even feel like it was
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authentic because I was thinkingto myself well, my husband says
we're going to get backtogether, we're going to work on
it.
So how can I be in divorcerecovery?
So that was a very tumultuoustime.
However, moving forward, aftersix months, I prayed God, please
help this marriage to gettogether right.
After six months.
When that prayer was notanswered, I felt like the door
(08:33):
opened.
I walked through and I feltthat God had another plan and it
was boom.
Okay, this is my new life.
I have to make a new life fromscratch.
So I went to another, differentdivorce recovery and that
opened my eyes.
Now I became aware of thingslike emotional intelligence,
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emotional abuse, codependency,the ability to speak up for my
own feelings things that Ihadn't had as a child or as a
wife and mother growing up.
So I saw the correlation thereand I started to dig into it.
What made me like that?
(09:16):
Why was I continuing in thatpattern as an adult?
And then, when I looked at itfrom 3,000 feet and looked down,
I saw the generational patternwith my parents and then with my
grandparents.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I saw the generational pattern with my
parents and then with mygrandparents.
You know, that is somethingthat I think we find and it
takes time.
I was asking you that is.
There was a point in my lifewhere I realized I don't have to
be available for this, I don'thave to be available for this
and I don't have to carry thisbaggage and I'm certainly not
going to carry somebody else'sbaggage.
And I almost got to a pointwhere I got angry.
(09:49):
I got angry at first and thenonce I got a chance to process
it and get through it, and younever get over it, you get
through it.
That's what my dad says younever get over stuff.
You get through it and it reallywas enlightening because it
empowers you to realize that wedon't have to hold these
responsibilities.
And but the hardest part isdiscovering it and knowing that
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this is what's going on and thenaddressing it, because
sometimes I think we keep, likeyou said, we stifle it and
stifle it, whether it's withfood, whether it's emotionally,
whether it's staying and tryingto make things work, and
sometimes something so brokenit's, it's it's irreparable, and
you maybe it's not even yourresponsibility to be that person
to to fix it.
And I think it takes a lot ofcourage to do what you did.
(10:34):
And then it definitely takes alot of courage for anybody
that's going through somethingthis similar or struggling with
this, because a lot of times wedon't know what to do and you
have to surround yourself withthis support team.
Sometimes there is no supportteam and you're on your own.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That is so true.
That's so true and that's whyI'm glad you mentioned that,
coach Mickey, because I came upwith three key steps to survival
.
One was the IOUs.
One was looking in.
I had to see what was broken inmyself.
Why was I a child like this Now?
Why was I an abused wife whocouldn't support her daughters
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emotionally because I didn'teven know that territory existed
.
So then I started to do theresearch.
I started to do the work with apsychologist, with a therapy
group and so forth, to discoverwhat was really happening.
And you're right, at some pointI did feel anger, like why was
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I subjected to this?
But then I had to look in and Isaid wait a minute, I don't
even know what I don't know.
So I had to go through a periodof learning.
I read a whole plethora of bookswhich I share in the back of my
book, because I realized otherpeople need resources too.
I didn't know what boundarieswere.
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I thought that was a fencebetween you and your neighbor,
but I had grown up withoutboundaries.
So certainly I was a wifewithout boundaries and a husband
that ran around and I thoughtyou were just supposed to make
the best of it and put one footforward in front of the other
and keep on marching into thefuture, into the over the abyss
you see.
So then I realized you have tolook out and thank heavens I had
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the wherewithal to seekcounseling, divorce recovery.
I had a Bible study that wassupportive people that could
circle around me during thistroubled time because I didn't
have any family support at all.
It was six months after thedivorce that I told my parents
my husband had left and when Itold my sister she said well, if
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you had been a better wife, hewould have stayed.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know, there there was zero support.
Yeah, and there's somethingI've learned through all of this
and I've learned to toacknowledge this, and sometimes
I'll say it out loud.
Other times I just kind of keepit in because it doesn't matter
what you say, it's never goingto penetrate anyway.
Why do people always think thatthey can live your life better
than you?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Especially when they've never seen it.
They're 3,000 miles away.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right, right, and it's like their opinion it's
like, and I wonder.
But then I've learned alsothrough the years a lot of times
people say stuff that they wantto contribute to you and the
reality is is because theyhaven't even worked through
their own stuff and it's easierto point a finger or say
something.
I always tell my kids you know,don't point fingers when you're
doing that, three more pointingright back at you.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's true, very true, and I noticed a lot of
those people that were pointingfingers never worked on
themselves and they're still inthe same mold they were when
they were in high school.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah Well, you are an amazing person, so I know this
is one of many of your books.
And then there's other thingsthat you have done too along the
line.
So I know this is one of manyof your books, and then there's
other things that you have donetoo along the line, so I want to
give you an opportunity toshare a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I've also had the opportunity, because of Dr
Robbie Motter, to be introducedto women who are also writing
books, and I've been in several,which I'll just mention a few.
One of them is Love your Haters, and this is not a book about
hate, it's a book aboutforgiveness.
The name of my chapter is smack.
I can't believe he hit me, butit's through.
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Whatever trials we go through,we can overcome it through
forgiveness, and that's acompilation.
Another one is the Power ofNetworking, and I said it's all
about your outlook on life,because everywhere we go we're
networking.
When I was in Africa, I met alady who became my client
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because she told me her backhurt and I put patches on her,
you see.
So wherever I am in the cab inLondon, I'm networking
everywhere.
It's not like you just have togo to a business meeting.
This is another great book.
It's called Maintain a SolidMental Health, and in this one I
talk about the principles ofmental health for all of us,
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about how we have to dig intoour own soul, our own soul, to
find out what we need to learn.
Then we have to findappropriate sources out there,
not somebody in a bar, notsomebody over the back fence,
but appropriate people that canguide us where we might not have
had any guidance before.
And then we have to look up toGod because he's ultimately
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guiding us.
A couple of the other books arethe Impact of One Voice Volume
1 and Volume 2, becauseeverybody has a story, everybody
has a voice, but we have tosearch to see what is my voice
and what can I contribute to mycommunity or the world.
And that's just a few.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And I know each and every one of your stories.
You have you've sharedsomething that's personal.
And it's amazing because younever know whose life you're
going to touch.
Like you said, you're talkingto somebody in a cab in London
and you never know what they aregoing through or what their
needs are, and then I would sayyou're in the right place at the
right time and you can neversay the wrong thing to the right
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person.
That's true, right, that's true, Right, Right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's true Because we have the the opportunity to
influence people every day.
For example, I just got a newnew client and she was a young
mother and she was just cryingover the phone because, you know
, she had that new mother'sanxiety and postpartum
depression and all that.
And I was able to minister toher, even in just that small way
(16:38):
to give her, you know, voicesof encouragement.
And I shared my story when Iwas a young mother and I was in
the hospital for three weekswith nobody to take care of my
newborn and I prayed to God.
God you know what.
I have no family here, myhusband's in the military.
Somebody's got to come and sureenough, God sent a lady from my
church I didn't know to help mein that time frame.
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So, no matter who I'm talkingto, I try to connect with pieces
of my past that can show themthey're not alone.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And I think faith has got a lot to do with it.
I mean really believing andknowing that there will be
something coming and an answer.
You know and that's anotherpodcast I'm sure you and I can
sit here and talk for anotherhalf an hour on, and we should.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, we will.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, but it's incredible.
I mean, a lot of times I thinkwe look at each other.
You just never know who you'repassing on the street that just
might need those words ofcomfort.
Or, like I said, you never knowwhat somebody is going through.
And I think we have to look atlife sometimes or be a little
bit more compassionate andempathetic.
You know, I know we get wrappedup in our own stuff, we have
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our own challenges, but I thinkit's important to take a moment
to stop and look at somebody andsay, especially if they're in a
bad mood or they're they'rebeing, I always say, oh, he's a
real curmudgeon and my book,it's like.
But what are they going through?
Right?
now, if they're that they'rethey're not happy.
Obviously there's somethinginternal that's happening, that
maybe you don't know, andinstead of judging, maybe give a
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.
You know, this costs anythingto give a little smile or a
little Right, right, right,you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And you know, yesterday I was at.
I was at a jazz recital and oneof the ladies was tearing up
and she was, you know, crying.
So I said to the instructorwhat happened to her and she
said oh, her son died.
So I didn't even know thiswoman, but I just went over and
gave her a hug, because there'sno words for something like that
, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, and that's that you're right.
There is no words for that.
But you've got a big heart,susie.
I mean you're very kind andcompassionate and you know and
some of the things, like I said,you share with me.
We're going to come back at alater date and talk about those
also and you're definitely agift.
You know, I love havingsomebody like you on not only my
YouTube but also my podcast,because it gives the world an
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opportunity to realize there ispeople out there that that are a
gift and they're probably rightnext to you Connecting to him,
right.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's true.
Just have to open up and speak.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So I want to.
I want to touch a little bitabout your phototherapy, because
I know that's something thatyou're very passionate about and
that'll give us the last fiveor 10 minutes to be able to wrap
that up.
But I know you're verypassionate about that.
I know you use this as anothergateway and element to help
improve other people's lives.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yes, and you know what that story is interesting.
When I was teaching back in2009, the mother of one of my
students came into my room andshe said Susie, what's wrong
with your hands?
They were, all you know,crunched up like this and very
painful.
All my joints were aching.
And I said, oh, I havearthritis.
And you know, I took all thepills, drugs, potions and
lotions, but nothing seemed tohelp.
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She says, well, you got to trythis little anti-aging patch.
So I tried it and in a month myhands went from this to this.
I was amazed.
Then I realized the next monthI had gotten rid of 30 years of
allergies.
So I dug into it and I startedpatching up everybody in sight.
So people that had sciatic painor gout or high blood pressure
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or you know a whole plethora ofissues, I was able to help them
become more comfortable, get offof their drugs.
We don't say cure or treatanybody, but helping the body to
become balanced and not rely onpharmaceuticals just to reach
homeostasis, where we get rid ofour toxins and our inflammation
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.
We drink water, you know, weeat healthy and exercise all
those other fitness requirements, of course but then we can
reach a state where our body isbalanced and no longer in the
fight or flight mode or full ofinflammation that causes
dis-ease.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So tell me a little bit about this.
So what is the phototherapyLike?
How does it work within yourbody?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, okay.
So we have infrared energy,which you're probably aware of,
that we can see with nightvision goggles.
For instance, when helicopterpilots are out on the field,
they can see the enemies below.
Or if we go to the desert atnight, we have night vision
goggles.
We can see the foxes and theowls.
Since we have this infraredenergy in our body, if you scan
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the body with an infrared camera, you will see bright spots.
You know red, yellow, blue,green, and the red means
inflammation.
You see, and when you put thislittle phototherapy patch on the
body, it sends a signal to ourbrain.
And I always explain everythingin kindergarten science,
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because I'm not a physicist, I'ma kindergarten teacher.
And so we have a clicker thatturns on our television.
It's a signal.
We have a clicker that opens upour garage door.
It's a signal.
People in NASA are typing on acomputer and the rocket ship
goes into space.
They're all signals of energy,of electricity, and so, since we
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have this signal in our body,if you put on something that
connects the dots, it can tellour brain what to do, like take
away toxins, balance the nervoussystem, reduce pain.
But they're all signals fromthe brain, so nothing is going
into the body.
It's just an external signalthat we're putting in the brain.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That makes sense, signal that we're putting in the
brain.
That makes sense.
And I just had a guest onyesterday who talked about how
important the neurological pathsare within our brain and how
she does that.
She works with them to resetbased on trauma.
So, there's so many scientificevidence that everything that's
transpiring within our body isis neurologically yes ways to do
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it.
And you're right, the body is abiological machine that knows
how to fix and change itself andit makes sense to have, the
same way you know, be on theright wavelengths.
I mean, we have other thingsthat affect us.
You know that come from theoutside, so obviously having
something that we can fix fromthe inside makes a lot of sense.
So now I I know you said thatyou know from your hands, which
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is amazing and a lot of peopleyou said have worked with their
allergies and other things.
So yes these, this phototherapy,is this something that can
pretty much help, you know, inmost cases for things that
people are suffering through,yes, yes, it can, and we're not
curing, treating or diagnosingany diseases.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But if you talk to me and I discover what issues you
deal with, we can help you getrid of your toxins, we can help
you get rid of your inflammation, and those are two of the
issues that cause most problems.
So, instead of introducinganother chemical formula that's
made in big pharma, if we getrid of the toxins and
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inflammation, then the body canstart to heal and, as I say,
it's not a you know, push, goand then you're perfectly fine.
It's a process of getting thebody back to balance and
homeostasis, and this is what Ialways describe.
If there's a process of gettingthe body back to balance and
homeostasis, and this is what Ialways describe.
If there's a traffic accident onthe freeway, all the cars are
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stopped, bumper to bumper, thenyou call up triple a, they get a
tow truck and they haul out thetruck or the car that's
disabled or has a flat, and theroad is free and the energy, the
traffic goes.
So it's like that in our body.
If we can remove the toxins orthe inflammation that's blocking
our energy channels, then thebody starts to heal.
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So just think about it Trafficjam on the freeway, get the
broken vehicle off.
The traffic flows In our body.
If we have blockages, whetherthey're emotional, physical,
chemical, we remove theblockages and the body starts to
heal.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And that makes sense.
I mean, like you said,everything is connected.
And to have that where you havethe ability to, like you said,
rechange, restructure and getyourself on a healthier path.
I'm going to give you the lastfew minutes to be able to wrap
up and talk about, but before wedo, please, everybody, I would
like for you to connect with DrSusie.
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The links are down below.
You can find all of her linkson her website her books and
then, if you want to reach outto her more about what she's
doing with her technicalphototherapy.
That would be a great way foryou guys to connect.
And if you're listening to thepodcast, when you see her name,
just go ahead and click on hername and they'll take you right
to her website too.
So, suzanne, I'm going to letyou wrap up the last minute or
(25:48):
so.
Share anything you want toshare.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yes, thank you so much, coach Mickey, for having
me as your guest, and I inviteeveryone who's listening to get
this book.
So in Tears Reap in Joy.
A transformational memoir,because we've all been through
trauma in life.
We've all been through the upsand downs, and it doesn't matter
what the trauma is.
But if you follow the threekeys to survival, look in, see
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what I have to change, what Ihave to learn, look out to
appropriate sources, whetherit's therapy, help, knowledge,
reading, a book, a support group, whatever that can help you
through the down spots.
And then look up to God,because he guides our path and
we know that he has a plan forall of us.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And go ahead and give a shout out for your website.
My website is https colon slash.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Slash suzymearswickcom and look at the
screen so you can spell itcorrectly.
But on my website you'll seewhere I have my books.
I have a lot of podcasts thatI've done.
I have testimonials from someof my clients and I have the
phototherapy website wherepeople can get more information.
(27:01):
You can also schedule aone-on-one Zoom with me or a
call and I can connect withpeople all over the world.
I've been on people people Zoomin Africa, asia, europe and all
around North America Helpingpeople globally Exactly the
world.
People globally, exactly theworld is an oyster.
Now it's a very small oyster.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, thank you so much for being with us today and
I look forward to having youback.
We got so much more things totalk about and, again, I know
there's some other things thatyou wanted to share, so I
definitely want to have you backand, who knows, maybe we got
some things in the future.
Maybe we'll talk about a littlebit about that too.
Okay, all right, thank you somuch everybody for being with us
(27:43):
today and again, remember,please connect with our guests.
You know I really value whatthey have and their stories are
so valuable and for those of you, you're listening for a reason.
So who's ever listening globally, whether you're in Germany,
africa, australia, and I've gota lot of people even in New
Zealand, I the Turk Islands, somy biggest Turk Islands and I
(28:03):
love you all and you're soamazing.
Thank you so much for alwaysall your support and I
appreciate you guys taking thetime to be with me, each and
every podcaster here on myYouTube channel.
So until then, please connectwith Susie.
Links are down below.
If you listen to the podcast,click on her name.
You'll get right to her, anduntil then, remember, the most
courageous thing you can do isbe yourself, and I will see you
(28:24):
in the next podcast, see ya.
Hey, I'm Coach Mickey and I'm so glad that you've
joined us, and if this is yourfirst time joining us, come on
in and make yourself comfortable, and for those of you that join
us on a regular basis, we areso glad that you do.
And thank you so much forconnecting not only with me but
also with many of my guests thatcome on here, and we love
hearing from you, and my guestsabsolutely love the support and
hearing from you also, andwhether you're listening to this
(00:22):
on Coach Mickey and Friendspodcast or you are joining us on
our YouTube channel, thank youso much for your comments, your
questions and your suggestionsand connecting, so I would love
to bring you in today withsomebody really fun.
I love her.
I've met her through GSFE andmany times you guys have heard
me mention that on my podcastand I've had some of my guests
(00:43):
that have been here from GSFEand this woman is extraordinary.
Not only is she a retirededucation in the education
because she taught.
So it was kindergarten, right,Didn't you work kindergarten?
Yes, she's also a bestsellingauthor.
She's a speaker entrepreneur,she's got a heart as big as her
body and her business is thetech of phototherapy.
(01:06):
So we're going to cover a lotof fun stuff today.
How are you, susie?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm great, coach Mickey, and thank you so much
for having me on your show.
I love it yeah it's fun.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We're just here to have a good time, and I love
your stories because we had anopportunity to kind of talk a
little bit off screen.
But you have got a plethora ofthings that you do that not only
helps other people, but alsoyou're so giving, and not only
just with your information, butalso with a lot of your charity
work, and also that you're anauthor, and everything that you
(01:41):
seem to touch has a way ofhelping other people, so I'm
going to let you jump in andshare whatever you want to share
today.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, thank you so much and, as you said, I am a
retired teacher.
I had the pleasure of teachingkindergarten for 20 years and it
was just gold.
I loved it.
I loved watching these littlepeople rise from nothing into
readers and speakers and writers, and that was just a pleasure.
But then I also had theopportunity to start my own
(02:09):
entrepreneurial business afterretiring from teaching, and so
now I help people up level theirhealth without any drugs and
chemicals.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
That's awesome and well, that's a great way to
segue because we know as kids,you know everything they do when
they're smaller is going toaffect their health when they're
older, you know.
So you kind of take it to thenext level.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's true and as a matter of fact just a quick note
while I was teaching I was ableto help the parents of some of
my students as well, because youknow, a lot of kids in Southern
California have asthma symptomsand one little boy even had
rheumatoid arthritis.
But through this phototherapyproduct I was able to give it to
(02:51):
their parents and they got thechildren feeling a hundred
percent better.
Of course we can't say cure ortreat, but just feeling way
better.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, well, I mean I and I understand, because when
we go the holistic route there'sthere's certain guidelines we
have to affect.
I mean I and I understand,because when we go the holistic
route there's there's certainguidelines we have to affect,
but it's still, I think it's amuch better route than, a lot of
times, the pharmaceutical route.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So I'm going to touch a little bit on your books.
I know you have.
You have authored quite a fewbooks, and not only for yourself
, but also co-authored quite afew, so could you share those
with us?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, so I wrote this book in 2020 and it's called so
in Tears, reap in Joy ATransformational Journey, and
what I did is I got out all myjournals that I had kept over
the years.
I had journals in a bigbanker's box and I started
digging through the banker's boxand what I discovered was that
(03:43):
I was a little girl who was intears most of her life.
I grew up in the 50s and 60s,when children were to be seen
and not heard, and so I feltlike a little mushroom under the
surface.
You weren't allowed to speak,you weren't allowed to have any
opinions.
Don't tell us your feelings,because everything will be
squashed back.
My family was very narcissistic, and emotions were not
(04:07):
something that was talked about.
Everything was under thesurface.
Later on, I realized that mymaternal grandpa had spent some
time in a mental institutionDon't really have too many of
them anymore but he justdisappeared and then reappeared
six months later like nothinghappened.
So, as I say, everything washush, hush back.
(04:29):
In those days, I never feltcomfortable in my family because
questions were never answered,and I just had an internal
feeling that I had to get awayfrom that atmosphere to be
myself.
So my route was to go to college.
As a junior.
In college they had an awayyear in Chico, california, up
(04:51):
north.
I grew up on the East Coast,and so this was my chance to
escape and see the big world.
Well, the upcoming event wasthat I met somebody on the last
week of college who was going tothe Navy, and he was going to
be a Navy pilot.
So I said to myself, hmm, do Iwant to marry a pilot and see
(05:12):
the world, or do I want to marrythe mailman and just see the
street around the corner?
So, in my great wisdom, at thatage of 21, I chose be a pilot's
wife and see the world, which Ididn't see the world with him.
But that's another whole story.
Consequently, we married aftercollege and, you know, things
(05:34):
were good for a while.
But then, as he startedtraveling around the world all
the time and we had our kids,things weren't as sunny as they
were cracked up to be.
So we had about, yeah, severalgood years and then a lot of sad
and painful years.
Anyway, after 24 years together, he divorced me on a sunny day
(05:59):
in April 1997.
And I was shocked because, as Isay, I was not schooled in
emotional intelligence, and so Ididn't know the rumbles that
were happening under the surface.
Consequently, I was shattered,had to rebuild my life from
scratch and that is the contentsof the book and I wondered why
(06:22):
I had such a rocky childhood andthen became a wife of an
emotionally abused wife, I'llsay, you know, and I saw all the
connections, all the learning,and then I saw a pattern of
generational trauma that wentthrough my family.
So I put it all together and Idiscovered ways to grow, improve
(06:47):
and transform my life that Ilearned in the process, and I
call these the IOUs of survival,and that's what the reader has
to uncover in this best-sellingbook.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's a pretty profound story and I you know
there's so many of us that growthrough these, these traumatic
experiences, you know, not onlyas kids, but then, like you said
, we bring it over into ouradult life and we don't realize
how much of it we're harboringand carrying as baggage as we,
as we go along, and then wewonder why things happen the way
they do.
I gotta ask you when?
(07:27):
When was the point where youyour turning point, where you
said wait a minute, this is notthe person that I need to be or
who I am.
I am so much more than that.
If you don't want me asking, doyou remember that time frame
when that was your exact, or thetime frame of that?
Was it after the divorce?
(07:48):
You know, when did you discoverthis?
Yes, actually, it it after thedivorce.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
When did you discover this?
Yes, actually, it was duringthe divorce and, interestingly
enough, my ex-husband had saidinitially oh, we'll go to
marriage counseling and we'llwork it out.
So he went once and said it wasmy fault.
So you know, that was the endof that and I went to divorce
recovery at that time, but Ididn't even feel like it was
(08:10):
authentic because I was thinkingto myself well, my husband says
we're going to get backtogether, we're going to work on
it.
So how can I be in divorcerecovery?
So that was a very tumultuoustime.
However, moving forward, aftersix months, I prayed God, please
help this marriage to gettogether right.
After six months.
When that prayer was notanswered, I felt like the door
(08:33):
opened.
I walked through and I feltthat God had another plan and it
was boom.
Okay, this is my new life.
I have to make a new life fromscratch.
So I went to another, differentdivorce recovery and that
opened my eyes.
Now I became aware of thingslike emotional intelligence,
(08:55):
emotional abuse, codependency,the ability to speak up for my
own feelings things that Ihadn't had as a child or as a
wife and mother growing up.
So I saw the correlation thereand I started to dig into it.
What made me like that?
(09:16):
Why was I continuing in thatpattern as an adult?
And then, when I looked at itfrom 3,000 feet and looked down,
I saw the generational patternwith my parents and then with my
grandparents.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I saw the generational pattern with my
parents and then with mygrandparents.
You know, that is somethingthat I think we find and it
takes time.
I was asking you that is.
There was a point in my lifewhere I realized I don't have to
be available for this, I don'thave to be available for this
and I don't have to carry thisbaggage and I'm certainly not
going to carry somebody else'sbaggage.
And I almost got to a pointwhere I got angry.
(09:49):
I got angry at first and thenonce I got a chance to process
it and get through it, and younever get over it, you get
through it.
That's what my dad says younever get over stuff.
You get through it and it reallywas enlightening because it
empowers you to realize that wedon't have to hold these
responsibilities.
And but the hardest part isdiscovering it and knowing that
(10:11):
this is what's going on and thenaddressing it, because
sometimes I think we keep, likeyou said, we stifle it and
stifle it, whether it's withfood, whether it's emotionally,
whether it's staying and tryingto make things work, and
sometimes something so brokenit's, it's it's irreparable, and
you maybe it's not even yourresponsibility to be that person
to to fix it.
And I think it takes a lot ofcourage to do what you did.
(10:34):
And then it definitely takes alot of courage for anybody
that's going through somethingthis similar or struggling with
this, because a lot of times wedon't know what to do and you
have to surround yourself withthis support team.
Sometimes there is no supportteam and you're on your own.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That is so true.
That's so true and that's whyI'm glad you mentioned that,
coach Mickey, because I came upwith three key steps to survival
.
One was the IOUs.
One was looking in.
I had to see what was broken inmyself.
Why was I a child like this Now?
Why was I an abused wife whocouldn't support her daughters
(11:11):
emotionally because I didn'teven know that territory existed
.
So then I started to do theresearch.
I started to do the work with apsychologist, with a therapy
group and so forth, to discoverwhat was really happening.
And you're right, at some pointI did feel anger, like why was
(11:31):
I subjected to this?
But then I had to look in and Isaid wait a minute, I don't
even know what I don't know.
So I had to go through a periodof learning.
I read a whole plethora of bookswhich I share in the back of my
book, because I realized otherpeople need resources too.
I didn't know what boundarieswere.
(11:51):
I thought that was a fencebetween you and your neighbor,
but I had grown up withoutboundaries.
So certainly I was a wifewithout boundaries and a husband
that ran around and I thoughtyou were just supposed to make
the best of it and put one footforward in front of the other
and keep on marching into thefuture, into the over the abyss
you see.
So then I realized you have tolook out and thank heavens I had
(12:16):
the wherewithal to seekcounseling, divorce recovery.
I had a Bible study that wassupportive people that could
circle around me during thistroubled time because I didn't
have any family support at all.
It was six months after thedivorce that I told my parents
my husband had left and when Itold my sister she said well, if
(12:43):
you had been a better wife, hewould have stayed.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know, there there was zero support.
Yeah, and there's somethingI've learned through all of this
and I've learned to toacknowledge this, and sometimes
I'll say it out loud.
Other times I just kind of keepit in because it doesn't matter
what you say, it's never goingto penetrate anyway.
Why do people always think thatthey can live your life better
than you?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Especially when they've never seen it.
They're 3,000 miles away.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right, right, and it's like their opinion it's
like, and I wonder.
But then I've learned alsothrough the years a lot of times
people say stuff that they wantto contribute to you and the
reality is is because theyhaven't even worked through
their own stuff and it's easierto point a finger or say
something.
I always tell my kids you know,don't point fingers when you're
doing that, three more pointingright back at you.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That's true, very true, and I noticed a lot of
those people that were pointingfingers never worked on
themselves and they're still inthe same mold they were when
they were in high school.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah Well, you are an amazing person, so I know this
is one of many of your books.
And then there's other thingsthat you have done too along the
line.
So I know this is one of manyof your books, and then there's
other things that you have donetoo along the line, so I want to
give you an opportunity toshare a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I've also had the opportunity, because of Dr
Robbie Motter, to be introducedto women who are also writing
books, and I've been in several,which I'll just mention a few.
One of them is Love your Haters, and this is not a book about
hate, it's a book aboutforgiveness.
The name of my chapter is smack.
I can't believe he hit me, butit's through.
(14:16):
Whatever trials we go through,we can overcome it through
forgiveness, and that's acompilation.
Another one is the Power ofNetworking, and I said it's all
about your outlook on life,because everywhere we go we're
networking.
When I was in Africa, I met alady who became my client
(14:38):
because she told me her backhurt and I put patches on her,
you see.
So wherever I am in the cab inLondon, I'm networking
everywhere.
It's not like you just have togo to a business meeting.
This is another great book.
It's called Maintain a SolidMental Health, and in this one I
talk about the principles ofmental health for all of us,
(15:02):
about how we have to dig intoour own soul, our own soul, to
find out what we need to learn.
Then we have to findappropriate sources out there,
not somebody in a bar, notsomebody over the back fence,
but appropriate people that canguide us where we might not have
had any guidance before.
And then we have to look up toGod because he's ultimately
(15:25):
guiding us.
A couple of the other books arethe Impact of One Voice Volume
1 and Volume 2, becauseeverybody has a story, everybody
has a voice, but we have tosearch to see what is my voice
and what can I contribute to mycommunity or the world.
And that's just a few.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And I know each and every one of your stories.
You have you've sharedsomething that's personal.
And it's amazing because younever know whose life you're
going to touch.
Like you said, you're talkingto somebody in a cab in London
and you never know what they aregoing through or what their
needs are, and then I would sayyou're in the right place at the
right time and you can neversay the wrong thing to the right
(16:14):
person.
That's true, right, that's true, Right, Right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's true Because we have the the opportunity to
influence people every day.
For example, I just got a newnew client and she was a young
mother and she was just cryingover the phone because, you know
, she had that new mother'sanxiety and postpartum
depression and all that.
And I was able to minister toher, even in just that small way
(16:38):
to give her, you know, voicesof encouragement.
And I shared my story when Iwas a young mother and I was in
the hospital for three weekswith nobody to take care of my
newborn and I prayed to God.
God you know what.
I have no family here, myhusband's in the military.
Somebody's got to come and sureenough, God sent a lady from my
church I didn't know to help mein that time frame.
(17:01):
So, no matter who I'm talkingto, I try to connect with pieces
of my past that can show themthey're not alone.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And I think faith has got a lot to do with it.
I mean really believing andknowing that there will be
something coming and an answer.
You know and that's anotherpodcast I'm sure you and I can
sit here and talk for anotherhalf an hour on, and we should.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, we will.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, but it's incredible.
I mean, a lot of times I thinkwe look at each other.
You just never know who you'repassing on the street that just
might need those words ofcomfort.
Or, like I said, you never knowwhat somebody is going through.
And I think we have to look atlife sometimes or be a little
bit more compassionate andempathetic.
You know, I know we get wrappedup in our own stuff, we have
(17:49):
our own challenges, but I thinkit's important to take a moment
to stop and look at somebody andsay, especially if they're in a
bad mood or they're they'rebeing, I always say, oh, he's a
real curmudgeon and my book,it's like.
But what are they going through?
Right?
now, if they're that they'rethey're not happy.
Obviously there's somethinginternal that's happening, that
maybe you don't know, andinstead of judging, maybe give a
(18:10):
.
You know, this costs anythingto give a little smile or a
little Right, right, right,you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And you know, yesterday I was at.
I was at a jazz recital and oneof the ladies was tearing up
and she was, you know, crying.
So I said to the instructorwhat happened to her and she
said oh, her son died.
So I didn't even know thiswoman, but I just went over and
gave her a hug, because there'sno words for something like that
, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, and that's that you're right.
There is no words for that.
But you've got a big heart,susie.
I mean you're very kind andcompassionate and you know and
some of the things, like I said,you share with me.
We're going to come back at alater date and talk about those
also and you're definitely agift.
You know, I love havingsomebody like you on not only my
YouTube but also my podcast,because it gives the world an
(18:58):
opportunity to realize there ispeople out there that that are a
gift and they're probably rightnext to you Connecting to him,
right.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's true.
Just have to open up and speak.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So I want to.
I want to touch a little bitabout your phototherapy, because
I know that's something thatyou're very passionate about and
that'll give us the last fiveor 10 minutes to be able to wrap
that up.
But I know you're verypassionate about that.
I know you use this as anothergateway and element to help
improve other people's lives.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yes, and you know what that story is interesting.
When I was teaching back in2009, the mother of one of my
students came into my room andshe said Susie, what's wrong
with your hands?
They were, all you know,crunched up like this and very
painful.
All my joints were aching.
And I said, oh, I havearthritis.
And you know, I took all thepills, drugs, potions and
lotions, but nothing seemed tohelp.
(19:49):
She says, well, you got to trythis little anti-aging patch.
So I tried it and in a month myhands went from this to this.
I was amazed.
Then I realized the next monthI had gotten rid of 30 years of
allergies.
So I dug into it and I startedpatching up everybody in sight.
So people that had sciatic painor gout or high blood pressure
(20:16):
or you know a whole plethora ofissues, I was able to help them
become more comfortable, get offof their drugs.
We don't say cure or treatanybody, but helping the body to
become balanced and not rely onpharmaceuticals just to reach
homeostasis, where we get rid ofour toxins and our inflammation
(20:40):
.
We drink water, you know, weeat healthy and exercise all
those other fitness requirements, of course but then we can
reach a state where our body isbalanced and no longer in the
fight or flight mode or full ofinflammation that causes
dis-ease.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So tell me a little bit about this.
So what is the phototherapyLike?
How does it work within yourbody?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, okay.
So we have infrared energy,which you're probably aware of,
that we can see with nightvision goggles.
For instance, when helicopterpilots are out on the field,
they can see the enemies below.
Or if we go to the desert atnight, we have night vision
goggles.
We can see the foxes and theowls.
Since we have this infraredenergy in our body, if you scan
(21:27):
the body with an infrared camera, you will see bright spots.
You know red, yellow, blue,green, and the red means
inflammation.
You see, and when you put thislittle phototherapy patch on the
body, it sends a signal to ourbrain.
And I always explain everythingin kindergarten science,
(21:48):
because I'm not a physicist, I'ma kindergarten teacher.
And so we have a clicker thatturns on our television.
It's a signal.
We have a clicker that opens upour garage door.
It's a signal.
People in NASA are typing on acomputer and the rocket ship
goes into space.
They're all signals of energy,of electricity, and so, since we
(22:10):
have this signal in our body,if you put on something that
connects the dots, it can tellour brain what to do, like take
away toxins, balance the nervoussystem, reduce pain.
But they're all signals fromthe brain, so nothing is going
into the body.
It's just an external signalthat we're putting in the brain.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That makes sense, signal that we're putting in the
brain.
That makes sense.
And I just had a guest onyesterday who talked about how
important the neurological pathsare within our brain and how
she does that.
She works with them to resetbased on trauma.
So, there's so many scientificevidence that everything that's
transpiring within our body isis neurologically yes ways to do
(22:57):
it.
And you're right, the body is abiological machine that knows
how to fix and change itself andit makes sense to have, the
same way you know, be on theright wavelengths.
I mean, we have other thingsthat affect us.
You know that come from theoutside, so obviously having
something that we can fix fromthe inside makes a lot of sense.
So now I I know you said thatyou know from your hands, which
(23:18):
is amazing and a lot of peopleyou said have worked with their
allergies and other things.
So yes these, this phototherapy,is this something that can
pretty much help, you know, inmost cases for things that
people are suffering through,yes, yes, it can, and we're not
curing, treating or diagnosingany diseases.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
But if you talk to me and I discover what issues you
deal with, we can help you getrid of your toxins, we can help
you get rid of your inflammation, and those are two of the
issues that cause most problems.
So, instead of introducinganother chemical formula that's
made in big pharma, if we getrid of the toxins and
(24:02):
inflammation, then the body canstart to heal and, as I say,
it's not a you know, push, goand then you're perfectly fine.
It's a process of getting thebody back to balance and
homeostasis, and this is what Ialways describe.
If there's a process of gettingthe body back to balance and
homeostasis, and this is what Ialways describe.
If there's a traffic accident onthe freeway, all the cars are
(24:23):
stopped, bumper to bumper, thenyou call up triple a, they get a
tow truck and they haul out thetruck or the car that's
disabled or has a flat, and theroad is free and the energy, the
traffic goes.
So it's like that in our body.
If we can remove the toxins orthe inflammation that's blocking
our energy channels, then thebody starts to heal.
(24:47):
So just think about it Trafficjam on the freeway, get the
broken vehicle off.
The traffic flows In our body.
If we have blockages, whetherthey're emotional, physical,
chemical, we remove theblockages and the body starts to
heal.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
And that makes sense.
I mean, like you said,everything is connected.
And to have that where you havethe ability to, like you said,
rechange, restructure and getyourself on a healthier path.
I'm going to give you the lastfew minutes to be able to wrap
up and talk about, but before wedo, please, everybody, I would
like for you to connect with DrSusie.
(25:26):
The links are down below.
You can find all of her linkson her website her books and
then, if you want to reach outto her more about what she's
doing with her technicalphototherapy.
That would be a great way foryou guys to connect.
And if you're listening to thepodcast, when you see her name,
just go ahead and click on hername and they'll take you right
to her website too.
So, suzanne, I'm going to letyou wrap up the last minute or
(25:48):
so.
Share anything you want toshare.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yes, thank you so much, coach Mickey, for having
me as your guest, and I inviteeveryone who's listening to get
this book.
So in Tears Reap in Joy.
A transformational memoir,because we've all been through
trauma in life.
We've all been through the upsand downs, and it doesn't matter
what the trauma is.
But if you follow the threekeys to survival, look in, see
(26:12):
what I have to change, what Ihave to learn, look out to
appropriate sources, whetherit's therapy, help, knowledge,
reading, a book, a support group, whatever that can help you
through the down spots.
And then look up to God,because he guides our path and
we know that he has a plan forall of us.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And go ahead and give a shout out for your website.
My website is https colon slash.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Slash suzymearswickcom and look at the
screen so you can spell itcorrectly.
But on my website you'll seewhere I have my books.
I have a lot of podcasts thatI've done.
I have testimonials from someof my clients and I have the
phototherapy website wherepeople can get more information.
(27:01):
You can also schedule aone-on-one Zoom with me or a
call and I can connect withpeople all over the world.
I've been on people people Zoomin Africa, asia, europe and all
around North America Helpingpeople globally Exactly the
world.
People globally, exactly theworld is an oyster.
Now it's a very small oyster.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, thank you so much for being with us today and
I look forward to having youback.
We got so much more things totalk about and, again, I know
there's some other things thatyou wanted to share, so I
definitely want to have you backand, who knows, maybe we got
some things in the future.
Maybe we'll talk about a littlebit about that too.
Okay, all right, thank you somuch everybody for being with us
(27:43):
today and again, remember,please connect with our guests.
You know I really value whatthey have and their stories are
so valuable and for those of you, you're listening for a reason.
So who's ever listening globally, whether you're in Germany,
africa, australia, and I've gota lot of people even in New
Zealand, I the Turk Islands, somy biggest Turk Islands and I
(28:03):
love you all and you're soamazing.
Thank you so much for alwaysall your support and I
appreciate you guys taking thetime to be with me, each and
every podcaster here on myYouTube channel.
So until then, please connectwith Susie.
Links are down below.
If you listen to the podcast,click on her name.
You'll get right to her, anduntil then, remember, the most
courageous thing you can do isbe yourself, and I will see you
(28:24):
in the next podcast, see ya.
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