January 30, 2025 • 49 mins
Unlock the secrets to a healthier, more fulfilling life as we welcome the insightful Dr. Tara Rasta, a renowned chiropractor and functional wellness expert, to our podcast. Dr. Rasta shares her inspiring journey from battling illness during her UCLA days to transforming her career path from conventional medicine to holistic healing. She candidly discusses the profound impact of genetics and life experiences on our health and her mission to empower individuals to break free from survival patterns, address root causes, and embrace a holistic approach to wellness.
Experience a fascinating narrative of transformation where a car accident redirected a dental school path toward chiropractic care. Dr. Rasta explains the concept of innate intelligence and how it inspires her work, emphasizing the body's natural capacity to heal and maintain balance. You'll hear how initial skepticism gave way to a deeper understanding of holistic healing, thanks to the influence of Dr. Candice Pert's work in network spinal analysis. This episode highlights alternative medicine's potential to foster physical healing, emotional growth, and professional fulfillment.
Join us as we unravel the intricate connections between trauma, brain health, and gut health. Dr. Rasta explains how EMDR and somatic therapy can help reframe memories, create new neural connections, and release stored tension. We explore the critical role of neurotransmitters and hormones in stress regulation and the significance of addressing cortisol imbalances for overall health. Dr. Rasta's approach encourages sustainable wellness improvements and a more profound connection to one's body by focusing on education and personalized treatments. Don't miss out on this empowering journey of healing and growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Coach Mickey and I'm so glad that you've
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You always send me some amazingcomments.
I love the fact that youinteract with a lot of our
guests and that you take awaysomething from each and every
one of not only my podcast, butalso here on the YouTube channel
, so I look forward to hearingmore from you and again, thank
you for always reaching out tomy guests, too, and supporting
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them, and today is really goingto be fun.
This is a subject that I justthrive on, because I'm always
about health and how we can dothings for ourselves on a more
holistic way, and when I had theopportunity to meet this doctor
, she just was amazing in theinformation that she has and
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what she does, and I had neverheard anything like this.
So I was very excited to haveher as my guest today on Coach
Mickey and Friends.
So today we have with us DrTara Rasta.
She is a chiropractor inAnaheim, california, but she
does work virtually for those ofyou listening throughout the
globe.
She specializes in functionalwellness and network spinal
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analysis.
Dr Tara Rasta's mission is tohelp people break away from
repetitive patterns that causedis-ease and keep the individual
away from living their life'spurpose.
She uses network spinalfunctional medicine as one of
her tools to address theunderlying causes of disease
rather than just focusing on thesymptoms.
So welcome with me today, drResta.
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How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm doing really good , Mickey.
Thanks for having me here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, it is an interesting subject in what you
do because and I've heard in thepast and this is something you
may want to share with everybodyand explain to them a little
bit that dis-ease is such animportant thing and we're going
to get into you know how you'vegotten into this and what you've
done.
But I think, to clarify thedis-ease portion, since we
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mentioned that in the beginning,might be something we want to
share with everyone, so theyunderstand that.
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I think that a lot of times, disease is caused by our
genetics, but also by thethings that happen to us, our
experiences, and then, as aresult of, you know, growing up
and getting into survivalmechanism.
A lot of times we have thissurvival patterns that then
become what I would call itbecomes our shadows, it becomes
things that you know causes usto causes our physiology not to
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work well and then later itcauses disease and symptoms.
So, you know, I really want tohelp people understand what
those patterns are and releasethe stored trauma from their
body and then give them tools tofind out what are the root
causes of their problems andthen be able to change their
lifestyle to create a life thatthey want.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Can you share your story of how you became a
chiropractor, in this journeythat you got into with the
functional wellness and thenetwork spinal analysis, because
this is pretty deep rooted yeahto be honest, when I was at
UCLA.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's where I went to school and I was doing
psychobiology and neuroscienceand I really wanted to become a
medical doctor.
But during the time that I wentto UCLA, I also became very
sick.
I constantly had headaches, Iconstantly had urinary tract
infections.
I, honestly, was in the healthcenter more than I was in class.
I was very grateful that I wasstill able to able to thrive,
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but it felt like something wasmissing, because I was in the
best school in the world.
I was in the, I had access tothe best medical field and yet,
you know, I was on antibiotics,I was on Prozac, I was on all
these different medications forheadaches and they couldn't
really figure out what's goingon with me.
So that was when I decided, youknow, I don't, I don't want to
go into the medical field.
I don't feel like it's helpful.
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But I decided that maybe I'llgo to the dental field and that
would be a little bit more likeI can do things differently and
I don't have to deal with a lotof people that are sick, because
anytime that I went to thehospital, it just it just felt
like everyone is so sick and noone is getting better.
And then it was one you know Igot accepted to USC for dental
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school and then I was drivingback and I remember just feeling
like I don't want to go todental school.
Why did I choose to go todental school?
And I'm just talking to God andI'm like really crying and I'm
asking God like give me someclarification, because this is a
time like a school startedbasically in a few weeks and I
just had this deep feeling likeit wasn't for me.
So I got into a car accident.
Somebody rear-ended me and thatled me into a chiropractor's
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office and I honestly didn'tthink chiropractors were ever
real doctors, because I was somedical and scientific-centered
and I just didn't think ifsomebody cracked your bones,
that could resolve a lot of yourissues.
So I honestly went to thechiropractor because my
insurance told me that I need todo that in order to get money
to fix my car or whatever.
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But it was one of the bestthings that happened to me and
this is how I knew that God wasconnecting with me and it was
showing me the way, because myheadaches went away.
I got off Prozac.
Her office wasn't just aboutcracking my neck, she really
coached me on what I need to do,what supplements I need to take
, how I need to take care ofmyself to feel better.
You know, a lot of times I feellike doctors tell you like eat
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better, exercise this and that,but they don't give you specific
you know reasons of how youneed to do things, what you need
to eat, how you need to eat,and she really helped me and
that was a big deal.
I was on Prozac for depressionand I had headaches to the point
where I was taking multipleexcedrins every day.
I had urinary tract infections.
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I was always in doctor'soffices and all of a sudden all
my problems went away.
I didn't have headaches anymore.
I got off Prozac and I was justfeeling so amazing and this is
how I knew that I was going togo to chiropractic school.
So I applied to a chiropracticschool.
This is like in December,school starts in January and I
told my family that I'm notgoing to go to dental school and
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everybody was really surprised.
But I went to chiropracticschool and it truly changed my
life.
During the time that I was inchiropractic school, I learned
how to eat, what it means to beeating nutritiously, what it
means to exercise, what it meansto really take care of your
body and, most importantly, whatit means to listen to your body
.
Because our body has somethingcalled innate intelligence that,
honestly, up to the point ofchiropractic school, I didn't
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hear about it, I didn't knowwhat it is.
Do you know what innateintelligence is, mickey?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No, I don't as Mickey .
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, I don't.
I mean, please share.
So the innate intelligence isyour body's ability to heal your
tissue.
So when the sperm and the eggit comes together and you have a
conception and there is a fetus, it is the innate intelligence
that takes you from one cellularorganism to a trillion cell
organism, to a human.
And it is that innateintelligence that knows what to
do, what you need.
In you know what every cellneeds.
And then how does the cellcommunicates with the rest of
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the cell?
How does the neuroncommunicates with the rest of
the neurons?
Where does it need to sendthose inflammatory or
anti-inflammatory molecules forit to work?
So it was really about there isa way for us to connect it as
innate intelligence.
There is a way for us for me toconnect to my body and then ask
my body what I need and reallytune into that part of myself to
know what I need.
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And I think that was reallylife-changing.
So that's how I got intochiropractic school.
But then, after I was done withchiropractic school and I was
working again, there was a senseof dissatisfaction because I
just felt like I was doingtraditional chiropractic, where
I was adjusting people and Ijust wasn't seeing the results
that I wanted to see.
I truly, like, wanted not onlyget rid of people's pain, but I
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wanted to create atransformation in people's lives
.
I wanted to come and tell methat I changed their lives, or I
was able to help them changetheir lives, and it just wasn't
happening.
So I remember I was drivingback again and I have a lot of
conversations with gods in thecar, which is not a good idea.
But again I was asking.
I was like please give me somesuggestion, bring me some
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insights, because I don't feellike this is for me.
I'm not feeling satisfied afterspending all this time and
money for chiropractic school.
So I talked to my roommate whenI got home.
She saw that I was really downand she told me why don't you
look at network spinal analysis?
And just the thought of networkspinal was something that just
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didn't feel right for me,because I took a seminar when I
was in school and what I saw wasthat when people were touched
in specific areas, their bodystarts to undulate and move.
And I even got the treatmentand I had the biggest cry on the
table in front of all thestudents and I felt very
uncomfortable and I just thoughtthat it was because I was
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stressed out because we had abiochemistry test coming up and
that was my last experience withit.
It made me feel reallyuncomfortable and it looked like
that people were having likejust like an exorcism practice
on the table.
So it just felt like reallynon-medical and like my brain
just couldn't understand what itis.
So she suggested that to me andthen I was like, oh yeah,
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probably that's not going to besomething I'm going to do.
And I went into my room and Iwas reading a book that it's
called Everything you Need toKnow to Feel Good.
This is by Dr Candice Pert.
She's an immunoneurologist andshe in her book I got into this
chapter literally right awaythat in her book she described
what network spinal is in ascientific and in a
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neuroscientific terms, in termsthat I understood and I
literally felt like that wasanother message from the
universe that this was going tobe part of my path.
So I found a doctor that wasclose by His name is Dr Michael
Whalen, and he asked me to go tohis office and he actually
hired me on that day when he metme and he said I really feel
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like it takes a special personto do this type of work, because
when you're working with peoplein this way, they're releasing
a lot of their traumas, they'rereleasing a lot of their
emotions.
So people are crying and makingsounds and you know, and all
kinds of stuff is coming out andyou have to be able to hold
space for them as they'reprocessing their emotions.
And I felt very comfortable inthat room.
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He had like six people on atable and everybody was making
sounds and, you know, differentpeople were crying, different
people were stretching, theywere moving their bodies and I
felt like I could be there and Icould be supportive of that and
I could hold space for that.
And that was how I got intonetwork spinal analysis.
I started taking the courses.
It's a post-doctorate programand this work is created by Dr
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Donny Epstein, who's still aliveand who's still teaching to
chiropractors, and I think itwas one of the best things that
has happened to me, because Ialso started to get that
treatment on my body and itreally helped me with all the
traumas that I had as a childand things that I didn't process
and I didn't even know thatthey were still there.
And by being able to processthat I think it really helped me
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become more creative, tap intopowers inside of myself that I
didn't think it was evenpossible, and become even a
healthier version of myself.
So along with that, I startedto take functional medicine
classes at Functional MedicineUniversity, at another place
called Apex Energetics, and Ijust you know, and I just really
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thought you know, by combiningunderstanding the nervous system
, learning how to regulate thenervous system, learning how to
release the stored traumas fromthe body with functional
medicine, understandingchemistry, understanding the
microbiome, understanding howthey all work together, I could
create something amazing.
So it's been about eight yearslater.
Here I am and I think I trulyhave created something that when
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people come and they're donewith the program, they tell me
that the program has transformedtheir life, which is something
that I feel like it's my purposeon this planet for now.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's an interesting correlation that could to go
with trauma that's embedded inyour neuro system, along with,
like you said, with theneuroscience and how it actually
connects.
And I don't think that'ssomething that we're really
aware of, because we deal withthese things when we were kids
or all these things through ourlives, and then all of a sudden
we're trying to live thishealthy path but we can't figure
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out why.
There's one thing, there'salways one element that you just
can't seem to get past.
Is that the correlation whereyou're finding with a lot of
these, these things that wecan't get by on a physical level
because of the deep emotionaltrauma that's within our nervous
system?
Yeah, I hear you correctly.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Exactly so.
I think, as what happens to us,you know, in childhood and in,
you know, teenage years, wedevelop a lot of different
mechanisms for survival and thenthose mechanisms they become
like deep rooted habits and deeproots things, stuff in our
subconscious mind choosepartners to marry to.
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That will kind of activatethose traumas, because there is
a part of us that innately wantsto heal and we almost attract
situations and attract jobs thatagain it.
It allows us to resurface thosetraumas, to face those traumas,
because the body always wantsto heal.
But what happens is that whenwe're not aware of it, of why it
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is that we're doing certainthings, then we get stuck in
this really toxic cycle, eitherin relationships or either in
our behavior.
One of the reasons was thatbecause she was just conditioned
that her parents just left herin front of TV with a bunch of
food, and that's how, you know,they allowed her to spend her
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time and so that they could gettheir jobs done, but then food
became her comfort.
So really releasing that kindof stress out of her body,
understanding those patterns byincreasing her self-awareness,
is the first step to reallyhelping her.
That you know.
You need to change your eatingpatterns.
You need to change what bringsyou comfort.
Let's find something else thatbrings you comfort.
Or kids that grew up in a lotof trauma and a lot of chaos,
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they tend to.
As an adult, they tend to wantto attract situations that
creates a lot of you know, a lotof chaos.
They're looking for that extraadrenaline.
They become addicted to it.
So then again, likeunderstanding where that comes
from, releasing that, but alsounderstanding those patterns, it
can really help them.
Now I'm not a psychotherapist.
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I work with a psychotherapistthat can really talk with people
and help them recognize them,but I help them release it from
their body, their muscles,because our postures is truly a
window to our neurology.
So the way you hold your body,the the tension patterns that
you have in your body, the wayyou contract your muscles, those
are all things that we learn aswe grew up as a result of the
life that we had, experiencesthat we had.
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So with the work that I do withthe Network Spinal, we help
them release those traumas andreally feel safe in their body.
And I think once we start tofeel really safe in our body,
the decisions that we make aboutour life changes and we become
a lot more self-conscious aboutwhat choices are we making, what
are we eating, what are wedoing, who are we attracting
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into our life?
How are we living our life?
And I think that's the firststep before even changing diets
or even before doing anyexercise routine.
That's really important inorder for people to be able to
sustain things that we teachthem when it comes to diet or
exercise or lifestyle changes.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And that that makes a lot of sense, because
everything we do, you said, hassome kind of connection with
that, and I do know that.
About the binge eating andemotional eating, you know, and
there's always something tied tothat that I can always be
traced back, you know, furtherdown the line or something that
happened, or there's thatconnection, that emotional
connection.
But it also leads me to thenext question that I wanted to
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ask you, because a lot of thisis our brain health and because
we make these choices that arebased on the trauma that you're
telling us that's within ourbody, and how much of that
correlation is not only ourbrain health but also, I know
it's affecting every other thingin our body.
I mean, does that connectioneven go into the gut health?
Where's that correlation?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.
So anytime that we have anykind of trauma, it obviously
affects the brain.
So what we know today is thatdepression, for example, is an
issue within the right side ofthe frontal cortex, versus
anxiety is the left side of thefrontal cortex.
So one of the things that I dowhen I'm dealing with people who
are, you know, dealing withaddictions or depression or
anxiety or overwhelm, is reallyunderstanding look what side of
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the brain is not working as wellas the other side.
How can I create more balance?
And there is assessment teststhat we do to kind of pinpoint
what are the areas of the brainthat may have that it's
underactive or what areas areoveractive.
How can we balance it out?
So I always say an inflamedbrain is what causes an inflamed
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gut.
So you know, a lot of times youwant to address the gut health.
But we can't address the guthealth without addressing the
brain health, because we havesomething called the
hypothalamic pituitary pathwayor the access, the connection
between the brain and the gut,which is done through the vagus
nerve.
So really addressing the brainhealth, is the brain getting
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enough circulation?
What are the areas of the brainthat is inactive, that needs to
be active more.
What are the areas of the brainthat is overactive, that it
needs to calm down, and thenaddressing that and addressing
people's sugar metabolism.
People use sugar in differentways.
A lot of people are insulinresistant, which results in a
type 2 diabetes, and a lot ofpeople are what we call reactive
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hypoglycemic, meaning that theydon't have enough sugar in
their system.
These are the people that wakeup and they have no appetite,
they don't eat for big periodsof time and then, when they
don't eat, they get reallyhangry.
So addressing those sugarmetabolism is really important
for the brain and thenaddressing if they're getting
enough circulation into theirbrain, that's really important.
So those things becomefoundation for brain health.
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And then, as we get the brainhealthier, we work with the gut
to address the gut, which Ithink has a huge impact on our
hormones.
And then the next part would be, you know, addressing the
hormones, which is alsoconnected with the brain,
because brain controls how muchhormone is getting released in
different parts of the body, inthe body.
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So you know, I think that thereis the emotional aspect and
there is the stress that we holdand, you know, really
activating people's innateintelligence, getting them
connected to that innateintelligence.
Well, the innate intelligencealready activated, right?
It's just about connecting theperson that there is this innate
intelligence and there is a wayfor you to connect to it, and
there is a way for you to beaware of your body.
And then the next step would beunderstanding their brain and
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what are the areas of theirbrain that needs more health.
And then, once you address thebrain, then we go into the gut
and we go into the hormones andthen looking at this as a big
picture and understanding thateverything is connected together
.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So, if I heard you correctly, there sounds like
that when we do have thesetraumas or we have these things
that happen in our lives, isthere an element of our brain
that we actually kind of shutdown and then the other side
takes over.
I mean, did I hear thatcorrectly?
And then what you do is youfind where that connection is,
to be able to get that perfectbalance back so you can actually
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get over that trauma.
So, in essence, does our brainkind of have these neurons that
stop working?
I mean, can you?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
elaborate a little bit more on that.
Just to clarify that it wouldbe more like there is neural
connections or networks ofneurons, that they become
strengthened over time based onthe behaviors and experiences
that we have, and it's reallyhard to like all of a sudden
come in and like disconnectthose networks.
So what we want to do is createthese new networks that takes
over, because the brain is veryplastic.
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So we have this neuroplasticity.
That's a new subject of a lotof neuroscientists and really
focusing on.
The brain is plastic.
How do we get new neuralconnections to come that are
healthier?
So what I'm trying to say isthat there is neural connections
that we develop as we get olderthat are creating behaviors
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that are not good for us.
So one of the main things that'shappening in our society is
addiction, whether it'saddiction to cannabis or
addiction to alcohol oraddiction to porn or addiction
to social media.
It's happening right.
So those neural connections arebecoming very strong.
So when those people are cominginto the office, we have to
think how do we create anotherset of neural connections that
get stronger enough to kind ofovercome this maladaptive neural
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connections?
And then we have people thatare, you know, more right
dominance with their brain orleft dominance with their brain,
but what I'm specificallytalking about is the frontal
cortex.
When it comes to depression,the right side is more activated
compared to the left side.
So then we want to help peoplewith exercises that activate the
left side of the frontal cortexand the left side of the brain
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and people who are more anxiousand more overwhelmed.
They have the, you know, leftside is more dominant and then
we want to help the right sideto come, become activated.
But you know, that's just a verysmall portion.
When it comes to anxiety ordepression.
The other part is depression isan inflammatory problem.
So really addressing thatinflammation but also always
going back and seeing what arethe behaviors that are causing
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that depression, what are thebehaviors that are causing that
depression?
What are the behaviors that arecausing that inflammation?
What are those neural patternsthat developed in early
childhood?
That now needs to be addressed,either through therapy or, you
know, and through body somaticrelease.
That happens with networkspinal.
That allows the person torelease those traumas that
they're holding from theirmusculoskeletal system, from
their nervous system traumasthat they're holding from their
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musculoskeletal system, fromtheir nervous system.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The exciting thing about this is that you have this
opportunity to retrain yourbrain so you're not stuck in
this, in this pattern and inhaving all these things that
you've been dealing with yourwhole life and then finding out
that if you, from what you said,disconnecting this one to and
reconnecting these to be able tobring this more empowering
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neurological path that can helpyou to heal, I mean that's
really exciting because I thinka lot of people they don't
understand I mean myselfincluded.
There's things and there's timesand events that I know that
I've done over and over againand I'm like I can't figure out
what is going on in here andhere.
That's allowing me to do thatand that makes a lot of sense
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that that neurological path hasbeen so ingrained and so tight
that we have to make thatdisconnect and then to
restructure and move.
And this is exciting stuff thatyou do.
I got to ask you so when youfirst discovered this and again
you had your own experience.
It must be so rewarding to seesomebody else come in and all of
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a sudden make these substantialchanges in their life that
maybe they've been strugglingwith for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, I would say that my job is very rewarding
because I get to see that Mostpeople that come to me they've
already been to a lot of otherdoctors, I've already done a lot
of different things and, like,I'm probably the 10th or 12th or
20th doctor that they're seeingso to you know, and a lot of
times they're so hopeless, youknow, they really don't think
that they can be helped and theythink, you know, there's just
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something deeply wrong with themand it's you know, and it's
them and it's not anything else.
But you know, once they startcare and they see little changes
, and I always tell people likeyou need to see 10 to 15%
improvement even after yourfirst initial visit with me, and
if you see that improvement,I'm your person.
It means what I you know didworks and they do see it.
But then you know, eventuallyit becomes 40%, 50%, 60%, and
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then you know they have thetools.
My, I'm really big at educating.
Like I'm going to give you allthe tools and I'm going to teach
you how to retain these toolsand then go use it.
Then you have it for the restof your life.
Teach it to some other peopleand I think that's the most,
that's the beauty of this workthat this is not something, that
this is something that can betaught.
And then you, we just help withreinforcement of what we're
teaching, and then they have itfor life.
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And then we just help withreinforcement of what we're
teaching, and then they have itfor life.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It has to be productive.
I mean, whether you're trying todo something within your family
or your career, even for yourown self-growth, you know, to
have that ability to find or getan answer, like you said,
because so many times you'vegone through this whole gamut of
all these other things and theproblem hasn't been solved.
You've gone through this wholegamut of all these other things
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and the problem hasn't beensolved.
And then you get down to themolecular structure of this and
the neurological paths, and thento be able to work with that
and have those tools.
I think once we have tools toknow how to grow, that's when
all the great things happen.
You know that's.
You know information is power,right, you know.
And then being able to do thatthere is so many facets to this.
What would you say are some ofthe most common things that you
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deal with, where you find allthese connections, like when
people come to see you, or iseverybody pretty much in it?
I'm sure they're all anindividual basis, because each
person has their own individualthing that they're dealing with,
but what would you say is oneof the most common things that
you see with everyone?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I would say the most common thing is that majority of
people have something calleddysglycemia, meaning that their
body doesn't know how to usesugar, even people that, like
you know, on their blood work itlooks like they're good, like
they don't have diabetes.
But then there are people thathave hypoglycemia, meaning that
their sugar level dropsthroughout the day often and
they feel really tired and theyget really irritable.
(25:29):
So I think that's a commonthing that we're not addressing,
and this is because people arereally stressed.
A lot of people are not eatingin the morning when they first
wake up, and then they're nothaving nutritious food, they're
not having enough protein.
You know, a lot of people aredoing the vegan diets, which is
great if you want to be vegan,but a lot of times they're doing
a lot of processed food,because you know they're getting
(25:50):
cheeses that are processed andbreads that are processed and,
like you know, fake chicken andmeat that are processed and
they're like really terrible forthem and they're developing
this, this glycemic patterns,this, this issues with their
sugar metabolism that'simpacting their brain and then,
as a result, when the brain goesdown, everything else goes down
.
The other thing that I see iscirculation problem.
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A lot of people don't have goodcirculation, either because
they're not exercising enough orbecause they're just.
You know, they're people thathave heart issues or they're
people that have a lot ofinflammation in their arteries.
One of the markers that I liketo see on the blood work that's
usually not ordered it's calledhomocysteine.
So looking at that marker andseeing how elastic are their
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arteries, are they flexibleenough?
And then when that flexibilityis less, the circulation is not
great.
So again, or asking people ifthey have high blood pressure or
low blood pressure, a lot oftimes when people have low blood
pressure, their doctor saysthat you're great, you're never
going to have a problem.
But those are the people thatusually don't have good
circulation to their brain.
So then circulation becomes areally important thing.
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The other thing is learning howto balance your nervous system.
Most people that I see in theoffice are stuck in the fight or
flight response, and when yourbody is in a fight or flight
response, your body is not ableto repair your tissues.
Majority of the blood is goinginto the musculoskeletal system
in case you need to run away oryou need to fight the tiger that
is not there.
So really addressing that andhelping them understand that
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part of their physiology andhelping them move into that
state of balance and into thatstate of rest and digest.
And I think that's the partthat's really hard for people
and that's the part that'sreally overlooked.
When we go to doctors theyusually tell you like it's
stress, it's stress related.
You have to release your stress.
But a lot of times we're notgiving them strategies of how do
they release their stressbecause everybody is different.
(27:40):
So, really digging into theirneurology and seeing what kind
of exercises do I have to givethis person to kind of balance
out their brain and, you know,allowing them to experience
network spinal as part of atreatment that helps them
release the stress from theirbody and connect with their body
.
And then one of the mostimportant things is increasing
awareness.
We're not aware of your body.
(28:01):
We're like people that are inour heads and we have no
connection to our body.
And you know, helping themconnecting with their body and
understanding what does the bodyneed, what does rest look like?
A lot of people feel reallyguilty when they rest and a lot
of people think that rest isgoing out to a restaurant and
having a couple of beers andthat's still, you're
overstimulating your nervoussystem, plus you're adding
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toxicity to your brain.
So really teaching them whatdoes real rest look like?
What does safety feel like inthe body?
A lot of people don't know whatit means to feel safe, what it
means to feel deeply relaxed intheir body.
So really teaching them thedifferences between that.
I think that's really importantand those things are really
overlooked.
The other thing is most peopletell me, you know, I usually ask
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them like when was the lasttime you had blood work done?
And they tell me I did my bloodwork and my doctor said
everything is fine.
And I look at their blood workand it's not fine.
First of all, a lot of timesyou're missing a lot of markers
that are really important.
Second of all, even thoughthings are within range, they're
on the higher range or a lowerrange and it's still causing the
person symptoms.
So one of the most common one ispeople with thyroid issues.
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People with thyroid issues areoften, you know, are taking
medication, but when you look ata full thyroid panel, their
thyroid is not working well anda lot of times they don't know
why they have a thyroid problem.
So I think one of the thingsthat's overlooked is that you
know, people with thyroidproblems don't have a deficiency
of synthroid, they don't have adeficiency of low thyroxine.
There is something in thephysiology that's happening,
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that's causing the thyroid notworking well.
And understanding where is itthat disconnect?
Is it happening in the brain?
Is it happening in the thyroidgland?
Is it happening in the liverand the gut that do the
conversion of the inactivethyroid hormone to the active
one?
Is it happening at the cell?
Because the thyroid is therebut it's not able to bind to the
cell because the cell is reallyinflamed.
So I think understandingphysiology is really important
(29:50):
and that's being overlooked,because now it's like if
something is low, I'll give youthis medication.
If something is high, I'll giveyou this medication.
And understanding why issomeone sick is completely
overlooked.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I think one of the most difficult things to
understand, especially going toand I've dealt with this with my
family is you know, there's anunderlying problem.
It's almost like putting aBand-Aid on a broken leg.
It's like, no, it's not fixingthe problem.
There's something stillunderlying.
I'm sure there's elements wherethere's medication that's
(30:25):
needed at specific times to, andI'm sure there's elements where
you have there's medicationthat's needed at specific times.
However, I think understandingthe underlying reason is a much
more functional way to be ableto heal the person than it is
just to throw some medication atit and go.
You know you'll be fine, andthat's that's.
That's very frustrating.
I do want to ask you aboutsomething, because I know this
(30:45):
has been brought up a coupletimes, not only on my podcast,
but people have asked me thesequestions is cortisol?
Oh, you hear a lot aboutcortisol and you brought up
about fight and flight, and weknow that cortisol can do some
heavy duty stuff within yourbody.
How does cortisol actuallyaffect the body when it is due
to stress, based on theseneurological connections in your
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brain and your thyroid and yourgut?
Does this all have acorrelation?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.
So we used to think thatcortisol was just an adrenal
gland problem and you know theterm that was used is that this
person has adrenal fatigue.
But now what we know is thatit's actually a brain problem.
It's because the brain is notable to communicate to tell the
gland to produce enough or notto produce enough.
So, understanding if the personhas, it's somebody that is
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producing a lot of cortisol andthen the time in which the
cortisol is circulating in thebody is very short.
So they wake up, they haveenergy and then, boom, their
energy drops in the afternoon.
Or are they somebody that theyhave very?
You know, their cortisol is verysluggish.
It doesn't come in until theydrink some coffee.
There is a lot of people thatthey say they can't function
until they have that first cupof coffee.
They say that they look forwardto waking up and taking that
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coffee because they don't haveenergy.
These are people that theydon't have a good cortisol
response.
So it's not really about ifthere's too much cortisol that's
causing the inflammation.
It's about the balance ofcortisol.
This is why, when we do acortisol testing, we want to see
a nice curve where the cortisolis increasing, it's coming in.
It's slowly decreasing and thatresponse goes usually with
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melatonin, where the melatoninis low in the morning and then
eventually it goes high and bynighttime they're getting sleepy
.
So I would say that theimbalance of the cortisol has a
lot of impact on our bodybecause we use it for a lot of
different things and also toomuch of it can cause the body a
lot of damage.
It's inflammatory and toolittle of it makes the person
(32:41):
very sluggish and fatigued.
So understanding their pattern,I think, is one of the most
important things.
Very sluggish and fatigued, sounderstanding their pattern, I
think, is one of the mostimportant thing.
Like what I see, is that a lotof practitioner, when they see
somebody has, they assume thatthey're having adrenal fatigue.
Is that they're giving themthings, that it's basically
stimulating their cortisol andwhat's happening?
That they get a good amount ofcortisol and then it drops.
What do we have to think about?
(33:03):
Is what's happening in thebrain that they're not?
You know that that cortisolaccess and the production is not
happening properly.
So I think when it comes tocortisol, the balance becomes
really important andunderstanding.
How do we need to address this?
Do we need to increase thelifetime of the cortisol so it
can last longer in someone'sbody, or is it somebody that's
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not producing enough?
Or is it this person that isproducing too much and we need
to reduce it?
And all of those things canhave an impact that it could
show up as fight or flightresponse.
So a lot of people think thatfight or flight is only when you
have a lot of cortisol and it'sactually just an imbalance that
could cause it.
So yes, cortisol causes astress and it is associated with
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fight or flight response, butthen how long does it last in
the body?
It also makes a difference.
And when does it go up?
Because sometimes you have toolittle at night and all of a
sudden you have panic attacks inthe night.
Is it only cortisol?
No, it's not only cortisol.
It could also be otherneurotransmitters, such as GABA
that's impacting it.
For example, a lot of female inperimenopause.
(34:10):
They don't have good sleep, andthe reason that they don't have
good sleep is because in orderfor the neurotransmitter GABA
for it to work, you have to needprogesterone, and if you don't
have enough progesterone which alot of women in perimenopause
or menopause that don't have itthen it's not working and then
again they're thinking that it'sa cortisol problem.
So they're taking a lot ofsupplements that is increasing
their cortisol, but they'recompletely missing the picture.
So I think it's really importantto understand where is it
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coming from?
You could still be verystressed out, but we check your
cortisol and it's very little.
You don't have, your system isnot producing much.
So I just want to be clearabout that, because usually we
think as if you're stressed andif you're anxious, that means
that it's a cortisol problem,and sometimes it's not a
cortisol problem.
It's a neurotransmitter problem.
Sometimes people with glutensensitivity have something
(34:55):
called GAD antibody, thatbasically, that antibody is not
allowing for the GABA to beproduced, so they don't have the
neurotransmitter that calmstheir brain down.
So it's not a cortisol problem,it's another problem.
This is why I think finding theroot cause is really important,
and I see a lot of people.
They go to Dr Google and theygo to ChatGPT or they're going
(35:16):
to YouTube and they're gettingall this information and they're
taking all the supplements andthe supplement company.
They do great marketing.
It sounds really good, but itmay may not be something that
you needed.
Actually could do the oppositefor you.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And, before we go any further, I would like everyone
to know please reach out to DrRasta.
You can find her link below.
If you're watching the YouTubechannel and if you are listening
to the podcast, as you know,you can click on her name and
that'll take you right to her,her website, and not only is she
take people in person, but shealso will work with you
(35:50):
virtually.
I would like people to know,because your information is so
valuable and and I think thatthis would help a lot of people,
because there's so many factorsto this and there's so many
unknowns, and I, I personallyknow people that have been from
from place to place to place orthey're doing what, like you
said, where they go on Google orthey take all these supplements
and they're like, okay, I feela little bit better, but
(36:12):
something's still not right andit still sounds like it's all
coming back to these underlyingtraumas.
So I guess my next questionwould be so is our body when we
experience these traumas?
Does our and I don't want toput words, I'm just asking
because I don't know Does ourneurological, does our neurons,
(36:33):
does our nervous system rememberthat trauma that causes us to
have these things happen?
You know, again, I may be offthe track here, but that's what
I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, our nervous system remembers everything and
even though our brain is reallysmart and a lot of times the
brain has the capability ofdeleting your memories so that
you can block it out, it showsup in the patterns on the things
that you do.
So I believe that your nervoussystem remembers a lot of the
things, but also your nervoussystem.
It's amazing at changing things.
(37:06):
So once we start to tell ourbrain and reframe some of the
memories and some of the thingsthat has happened to us, then
our brain starts to create thosenew neural connections and it
can overcome those past neuralconnections that they were
causing us more stress andanxiety.
So I absolutely believe thatand this is why I think you know
therapy and doing EMDR therapy.
They're so important in helpingpeople create these new
(37:29):
neurological connections andcreating a new virion in the
system.
But what is also I think it'smissed is what we hold in our
body.
I don't know if you've noticed,but like there's things that
you can tell by some people'sposture.
Like you can just look atsomebody and you can tell if
they're anxious or if they'redepressed or what's going on
(37:49):
with them.
And this is because ourneurology does remember what has
happened to us and, based onwho we are and how we process
our experiences, our bodychanges and we contract our
muscles differently.
One of the things that I do inthe office is that I scan
people's muscles by usingsomething called surface
electromyography.
It's basically checking to seewhere they're holding tension
(38:12):
and it's really interesting forthem to see how much tension
they're holding, where are theyholding it and how much energy
their body is using just tocontract in that area, even
though it's not necessary andit's just an energy that's being
completely wasted just becausethe body is feeling that I need
to really contract, I need toreally protect my heart.
(38:32):
So people that have the roundedshoulder, that they have more
of the head forward posture.
It's not just a postural issue,but it's also about emotions
and stuff that they're holdingin their body and then being
able to process that in the body.
Whether you're doing it with atherapist or you're doing it
somatically, it can be reallyhelpful for you and a lot of
times I think somatic therapy isreally helpful because you
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don't have to remember all thetraumas.
It's just that the body knowshow to process it without you
having to think about it.
People a lot of times cry onthe table and they're processing
things, but they have no ideawhy.
And I tell them it's okay, youdon't need to know why your body
is releasing and that's goodenough.
The body is smart enough toknow how it needs to release,
and you don't have to rememberevery single trauma that
(39:16):
happened to you.
So this is another reason thatI like this technique because
you can still process thingswithout having to think about it
and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So what can someone expect when they come into your
office I mean someone who's juststarting or contacts you.
What would be the protocol?
What would they be doing thatwould help them get through this
whole process?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So the first thing is that everybody gets a free
consultation with me over thephone.
We talk about what are theirgoals, why they're coming in,
what can be done, what are someof the things that they've
already done that I want to seethose results in.
If they've done a recent bloodwork or stool test or some kind
of different testing thatthey've done, I want to see that
and what else needs to be done.
So my initial visit is brokendown into two visits and each
(40:02):
visit is two hours.
So we spend about four hours inthe office really understanding
all the different patterns, allthe different things we need to
work on.
On the first visit I get acomprehensive.
We do a comprehensive historytaking and understanding what's
going on with them, evaluatingtheir brain, their posture,
doing different tests to seewhat's going on with them.
But also we do a scan calledheart rate variability to kind
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of understand if their body's ina state of fight or flight or
rest and digest, and how far isit in the state of fight or
flight, and then we can also seehow adaptable they are to
stress.
So that's really importantbecause that's the first step in
order to help somebody heal iskind of changing that pattern
from the fight or flight to astate of balance.
Then we do another scan.
It's called a neurothermal scan.
(40:45):
It's basically we're looking tosee how their nerves are
communicating with their organsand which organ may be under a
little bit more stress.
And then we do another scanit's called surface
electromyography to look attheir muscles, and these are
just the muscles that help yoube seated, so they're keeping
you upright to see how muchenergy are you using when you're
simply seated.
Where are you holding yourtension patterns?
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Then after that they receivedtheir first body work treatment
with me and I say body workbecause I kind of shifted based
on what they need on the firstvisit.
If they are somebody thatthey're holding a lot of tension
in their jaws, they have a lotof tension in their head, they
have a lot of headaches, I maydo something called craniosacral
therapy and then network spinalis always followed by one of
(41:26):
the things that I may do.
So I may work on their neck ortheir jaw or their head, or we
might do some tapping about someof their belief systems, about
how we can change some of thesebelief systems about the body
and the healing of the body, andthen that's followed by
something called vibroacoustictherapy.
The vibroacoustic therapy is atechnology that basically helps
their brain to tap into thealpha wave, the theta waves, the
(41:50):
waves of the brain that aremore important for healing.
And then the visit is followedby a second visit.
On the second visit we discusswhat needs to be done as far as
testing diagnostic testing suchas blood tests, stool tests,
food sensitivity testing, dnatesting, heavy metal testing.
That kind of really depends onour first visit, seeing like
where they're at what has beendone.
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What I really like to dobecause I really love saving
people money because a lot ofthese tests are out of pocket is
I usually coach them about whatthey need to say to their
primary doctor to get some ofthose markers done through their
primary doctors so that we canat least get some blood work
reading with them, some of thebasic things checked with them,
and then on the second visit wekind of decide what tests they
(42:33):
need to do.
They receive another body workfrom me, along with the network
spinal, and then it's followedby something called high tone
therapy.
High tone therapy is atechnology that addresses the
mitochondria inside every cellas well as helping the cell
become more sensitive todifferent hormones in the body.
So all of our cells, they havereceptors.
In order for those hormones towork, the hormone has to bind to
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the receptor to go into thecell.
For example, glucose is one ofthem.
The cell has to respond toinsulin in order for it to open
the gate and for the glucose togo in.
So the technology basicallyhelps with those receptors,
getting them more sensitive tothe hormones so that they can
take in the peptides and thedifferent molecules that needs
to go inside the cell, as wellas helping the mitochondria
which is responsible for ATPproduction, which is your energy
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production, and that's followedby an infrared sauna and that's
basically to help yourdetoxification pathway.
So we do all these differentthings to kind of see like what
is going to have the bestresponse in the body, which one
did they like the best, whichone do they think they?
You know it makes a differenceand then by that time we're also
like making a decision aboutwhat are the services that they
(43:40):
need and which program do theyneed and how long do they need.
And then, usually by a thirdvisit, if you have their blood
test or a stool test, then I cangive them a personalized
protocol based on their stooltest or blood test or brain test
, and we're kind of decidinglike, okay, these are the
nutrition you're taking, theseare the supplements you're
taking, how many visits you haveto come in, what are the
services you need to get here.
And that's where we go.
(44:02):
And usually you know, I alwaystell people that when they sign
up for the program I will givetheir money back if the issue
doesn't resolve.
That's how confident I feelthat if people stay compliant,
they come in and they do thetreatment that I'm setting up
for them.
They take the supplements, theydo their exercises, they get on
the technologies.
I know that what hasn't beenresolved can be resolved,
(44:23):
because I truly believe that thebody can heal themselves.
Now some people have, like youknow, genetic issues,
neurological issues.
That is really progressedalready.
I even have helped people withParkinson and MS.
But if it's really progressed,then I can reverse it.
But I can definitely guaranteethat I can make them, you know,
make them get a little bit,improve a little bit and then
(44:45):
stay in that improvement.
But you know there are somethings that you know I can't, I
can't, I can't, you know, undowhat's been done, but the
majority of people I canguarantee that I can, that I can
get them to a better place andwe can resolve their symptoms,
(45:05):
and after a while, because ittakes a little bit of time for
the gut and for the blood testto shift, and we can even shift
those on the blood test, becausewe always do a blood test, a
stool test, in the beginning andthen we do one at the end when
we're finished with the program,and we can just show them their
improvements within thosechemistry in their body.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I'm going to give you the last two minutes to be able
to kind of wrap all this up,because this has been incredible
information and I know otherpeople are going to want to
reach out to you, so please, ifthere's anything else you'd like
to add, um.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
What I want to add is that your body has the
capability of healing.
It's just that you have tobelieve.
You have to believe that youcan heal.
That's the first step.
The next, the next step isunderstanding that there is
discomfort in life.
Life is not always comfortableand I think a lot of times when
we're uncomfortable, we want toreach out for the food or for
our social media, or for thecannabis or for the alcohol.
(46:01):
And I just want to invite you tobe uncomfortable and just
experience what it means to beuncomfortable and then just know
that if you want to truly, ifyou want true health, if you
want true vitality, it'spossible.
But you have to change yourpatterns and you have to
understand your patterns thatyou can run away from yourself.
But it is extremely rewardingwhen you reach that point, when
you know you are the cause ofyour own healing.
(46:23):
I'm the one I will educate youand I will facilitate the
process, but you're always yourown healer and I just you know I
think a lot of practitionersthey take that power away from
you that you feel like yourhealth, you know, is in the
hands of another doctor oranother practitioner.
Your health is in the hands ofyourself, and I think that as
you connect deeper to yourintuition, to your body's innate
(46:44):
intelligence, you can makethose decisions for yourself.
And by just having the righttools, there is no way that you
cannot heal.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
And that is good advice, because I think a lot of
times we're responsible for ourown health and having that
empowerment and the knowledge isgoing to be invaluable.
I want to thank you so much forbeing with us.
We are definitely going to haveyou back.
I want it.
We've got so much moreinformation we didn't get an
opportunity to cover.
But until then, please reachout to Dr Rasta.
You can find that informationdown below and if you're
(47:16):
listening to the podcast, pleaseclick on her name to be able to
reach out to her.
And again, she does itvirtually and I want to thank
you.
I mean, we have so much more tocover, so I'm looking forward
to having you back.
Thank you for being with us.
Thank you so much, mickey.
All right, you guys pleasereach out and I will look
forward to seeing you.
Until then, remember the mostcourageous thing you can do is
(47:37):
be yourself, and I look forwardto seeing you on the next
episode of Coach Mickey andFriends.
Until then, see ya.
Hey, I'm Coach Mickey and I'm so glad that you've
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Thank you, you guys.
You always send me some amazingcomments.
I love the fact that youinteract with a lot of our
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them, and today is really goingto be fun.
This is a subject that I justthrive on, because I'm always
about health and how we can dothings for ourselves on a more
holistic way, and when I had theopportunity to meet this doctor
, she just was amazing in theinformation that she has and
(01:05):
what she does, and I had neverheard anything like this.
So I was very excited to haveher as my guest today on Coach
Mickey and Friends.
So today we have with us DrTara Rasta.
She is a chiropractor inAnaheim, california, but she
does work virtually for those ofyou listening throughout the
globe.
She specializes in functionalwellness and network spinal
(01:26):
analysis.
Dr Tara Rasta's mission is tohelp people break away from
repetitive patterns that causedis-ease and keep the individual
away from living their life'spurpose.
She uses network spinalfunctional medicine as one of
her tools to address theunderlying causes of disease
rather than just focusing on thesymptoms.
So welcome with me today, drResta.
(01:47):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm doing really good , Mickey.
Thanks for having me here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, it is an interesting subject in what you
do because and I've heard in thepast and this is something you
may want to share with everybodyand explain to them a little
bit that dis-ease is such animportant thing and we're going
to get into you know how you'vegotten into this and what you've
done.
But I think, to clarify thedis-ease portion, since we
(02:15):
mentioned that in the beginning,might be something we want to
share with everyone, so theyunderstand that.
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I think that a lot of times, disease is caused by our
genetics, but also by thethings that happen to us, our
experiences, and then, as aresult of, you know, growing up
and getting into survivalmechanism.
A lot of times we have thissurvival patterns that then
become what I would call itbecomes our shadows, it becomes
things that you know causes usto causes our physiology not to
(02:47):
work well and then later itcauses disease and symptoms.
So, you know, I really want tohelp people understand what
those patterns are and releasethe stored trauma from their
body and then give them tools tofind out what are the root
causes of their problems andthen be able to change their
lifestyle to create a life thatthey want.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Can you share your story of how you became a
chiropractor, in this journeythat you got into with the
functional wellness and thenetwork spinal analysis, because
this is pretty deep rooted yeahto be honest, when I was at
UCLA.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's where I went to school and I was doing
psychobiology and neuroscienceand I really wanted to become a
medical doctor.
But during the time that I wentto UCLA, I also became very
sick.
I constantly had headaches, Iconstantly had urinary tract
infections.
I, honestly, was in the healthcenter more than I was in class.
I was very grateful that I wasstill able to able to thrive,
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but it felt like something wasmissing, because I was in the
best school in the world.
I was in the, I had access tothe best medical field and yet,
you know, I was on antibiotics,I was on Prozac, I was on all
these different medications forheadaches and they couldn't
really figure out what's goingon with me.
So that was when I decided, youknow, I don't, I don't want to
go into the medical field.
I don't feel like it's helpful.
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But I decided that maybe I'llgo to the dental field and that
would be a little bit more likeI can do things differently and
I don't have to deal with a lotof people that are sick, because
anytime that I went to thehospital, it just it just felt
like everyone is so sick and noone is getting better.
And then it was one you know Igot accepted to USC for dental
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school and then I was drivingback and I remember just feeling
like I don't want to go todental school.
Why did I choose to go todental school?
And I'm just talking to God andI'm like really crying and I'm
asking God like give me someclarification, because this is a
time like a school startedbasically in a few weeks and I
just had this deep feeling likeit wasn't for me.
So I got into a car accident.
Somebody rear-ended me and thatled me into a chiropractor's
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office and I honestly didn'tthink chiropractors were ever
real doctors, because I was somedical and scientific-centered
and I just didn't think ifsomebody cracked your bones,
that could resolve a lot of yourissues.
So I honestly went to thechiropractor because my
insurance told me that I need todo that in order to get money
to fix my car or whatever.
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But it was one of the bestthings that happened to me and
this is how I knew that God wasconnecting with me and it was
showing me the way, because myheadaches went away.
I got off Prozac.
Her office wasn't just aboutcracking my neck, she really
coached me on what I need to do,what supplements I need to take
, how I need to take care ofmyself to feel better.
You know, a lot of times I feellike doctors tell you like eat
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better, exercise this and that,but they don't give you specific
you know reasons of how youneed to do things, what you need
to eat, how you need to eat,and she really helped me and
that was a big deal.
I was on Prozac for depressionand I had headaches to the point
where I was taking multipleexcedrins every day.
I had urinary tract infections.
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I was always in doctor'soffices and all of a sudden all
my problems went away.
I didn't have headaches anymore.
I got off Prozac and I was justfeeling so amazing and this is
how I knew that I was going togo to chiropractic school.
So I applied to a chiropracticschool.
This is like in December,school starts in January and I
told my family that I'm notgoing to go to dental school and
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everybody was really surprised.
But I went to chiropracticschool and it truly changed my
life.
During the time that I was inchiropractic school, I learned
how to eat, what it means to beeating nutritiously, what it
means to exercise, what it meansto really take care of your
body and, most importantly, whatit means to listen to your body
.
Because our body has somethingcalled innate intelligence that,
honestly, up to the point ofchiropractic school, I didn't
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hear about it, I didn't knowwhat it is.
Do you know what innateintelligence is, mickey?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
No, I don't as Mickey .
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, I don't.
I mean, please share.
So the innate intelligence isyour body's ability to heal your
tissue.
So when the sperm and the eggit comes together and you have a
conception and there is a fetus, it is the innate intelligence
that takes you from one cellularorganism to a trillion cell
organism, to a human.
And it is that innateintelligence that knows what to
do, what you need.
In you know what every cellneeds.
And then how does the cellcommunicates with the rest of
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the cell?
How does the neuroncommunicates with the rest of
the neurons?
Where does it need to sendthose inflammatory or
anti-inflammatory molecules forit to work?
So it was really about there isa way for us to connect it as
innate intelligence.
There is a way for us for me toconnect to my body and then ask
my body what I need and reallytune into that part of myself to
know what I need.
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And I think that was reallylife-changing.
So that's how I got intochiropractic school.
But then, after I was done withchiropractic school and I was
working again, there was a senseof dissatisfaction because I
just felt like I was doingtraditional chiropractic, where
I was adjusting people and Ijust wasn't seeing the results
that I wanted to see.
I truly, like, wanted not onlyget rid of people's pain, but I
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wanted to create atransformation in people's lives
.
I wanted to come and tell methat I changed their lives, or I
was able to help them changetheir lives, and it just wasn't
happening.
So I remember I was drivingback again and I have a lot of
conversations with gods in thecar, which is not a good idea.
But again I was asking.
I was like please give me somesuggestion, bring me some
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insights, because I don't feellike this is for me.
I'm not feeling satisfied afterspending all this time and
money for chiropractic school.
So I talked to my roommate whenI got home.
She saw that I was really downand she told me why don't you
look at network spinal analysis?
And just the thought of networkspinal was something that just
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didn't feel right for me,because I took a seminar when I
was in school and what I saw wasthat when people were touched
in specific areas, their bodystarts to undulate and move.
And I even got the treatmentand I had the biggest cry on the
table in front of all thestudents and I felt very
uncomfortable and I just thoughtthat it was because I was
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stressed out because we had abiochemistry test coming up and
that was my last experience withit.
It made me feel reallyuncomfortable and it looked like
that people were having likejust like an exorcism practice
on the table.
So it just felt like reallynon-medical and like my brain
just couldn't understand what itis.
So she suggested that to me andthen I was like, oh yeah,
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probably that's not going to besomething I'm going to do.
And I went into my room and Iwas reading a book that it's
called Everything you Need toKnow to Feel Good.
This is by Dr Candice Pert.
She's an immunoneurologist andshe in her book I got into this
chapter literally right awaythat in her book she described
what network spinal is in ascientific and in a
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neuroscientific terms, in termsthat I understood and I
literally felt like that wasanother message from the
universe that this was going tobe part of my path.
So I found a doctor that wasclose by His name is Dr Michael
Whalen, and he asked me to go tohis office and he actually
hired me on that day when he metme and he said I really feel
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like it takes a special personto do this type of work, because
when you're working with peoplein this way, they're releasing
a lot of their traumas, they'rereleasing a lot of their
emotions.
So people are crying and makingsounds and you know, and all
kinds of stuff is coming out andyou have to be able to hold
space for them as they'reprocessing their emotions.
And I felt very comfortable inthat room.
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He had like six people on atable and everybody was making
sounds and, you know, differentpeople were crying, different
people were stretching, theywere moving their bodies and I
felt like I could be there and Icould be supportive of that and
I could hold space for that.
And that was how I got intonetwork spinal analysis.
I started taking the courses.
It's a post-doctorate programand this work is created by Dr
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Donny Epstein, who's still aliveand who's still teaching to
chiropractors, and I think itwas one of the best things that
has happened to me, because Ialso started to get that
treatment on my body and itreally helped me with all the
traumas that I had as a childand things that I didn't process
and I didn't even know thatthey were still there.
And by being able to processthat I think it really helped me
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become more creative, tap intopowers inside of myself that I
didn't think it was evenpossible, and become even a
healthier version of myself.
So along with that, I startedto take functional medicine
classes at Functional MedicineUniversity, at another place
called Apex Energetics, and Ijust you know, and I just really
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thought you know, by combiningunderstanding the nervous system
, learning how to regulate thenervous system, learning how to
release the stored traumas fromthe body with functional
medicine, understandingchemistry, understanding the
microbiome, understanding howthey all work together, I could
create something amazing.
So it's been about eight yearslater.
Here I am and I think I trulyhave created something that when
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people come and they're donewith the program, they tell me
that the program has transformedtheir life, which is something
that I feel like it's my purposeon this planet for now.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
That's an interesting correlation that could to go
with trauma that's embedded inyour neuro system, along with,
like you said, with theneuroscience and how it actually
connects.
And I don't think that'ssomething that we're really
aware of, because we deal withthese things when we were kids
or all these things through ourlives, and then all of a sudden
we're trying to live thishealthy path but we can't figure
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out why.
There's one thing, there'salways one element that you just
can't seem to get past.
Is that the correlation whereyou're finding with a lot of
these, these things that wecan't get by on a physical level
because of the deep emotionaltrauma that's within our nervous
system?
Yeah, I hear you correctly.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Exactly so.
I think, as what happens to us,you know, in childhood and in,
you know, teenage years, wedevelop a lot of different
mechanisms for survival and thenthose mechanisms they become
like deep rooted habits and deeproots things, stuff in our
subconscious mind choosepartners to marry to.
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That will kind of activatethose traumas, because there is
a part of us that innately wantsto heal and we almost attract
situations and attract jobs thatagain it.
It allows us to resurface thosetraumas, to face those traumas,
because the body always wantsto heal.
But what happens is that whenwe're not aware of it, of why it
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is that we're doing certainthings, then we get stuck in
this really toxic cycle, eitherin relationships or either in
our behavior.
One of the reasons was thatbecause she was just conditioned
that her parents just left herin front of TV with a bunch of
food, and that's how, you know,they allowed her to spend her
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time and so that they could gettheir jobs done, but then food
became her comfort.
So really releasing that kindof stress out of her body,
understanding those patterns byincreasing her self-awareness,
is the first step to reallyhelping her.
That you know.
You need to change your eatingpatterns.
You need to change what bringsyou comfort.
Let's find something else thatbrings you comfort.
Or kids that grew up in a lotof trauma and a lot of chaos,
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they tend to.
As an adult, they tend to wantto attract situations that
creates a lot of you know, a lotof chaos.
They're looking for that extraadrenaline.
They become addicted to it.
So then again, likeunderstanding where that comes
from, releasing that, but alsounderstanding those patterns, it
can really help them.
Now I'm not a psychotherapist.
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I work with a psychotherapistthat can really talk with people
and help them recognize them,but I help them release it from
their body, their muscles,because our postures is truly a
window to our neurology.
So the way you hold your body,the the tension patterns that
you have in your body, the wayyou contract your muscles, those
are all things that we learn aswe grew up as a result of the
life that we had, experiencesthat we had.
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So with the work that I do withthe Network Spinal, we help
them release those traumas andreally feel safe in their body.
And I think once we start tofeel really safe in our body,
the decisions that we make aboutour life changes and we become
a lot more self-conscious aboutwhat choices are we making, what
are we eating, what are wedoing, who are we attracting
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into our life?
How are we living our life?
And I think that's the firststep before even changing diets
or even before doing anyexercise routine.
That's really important inorder for people to be able to
sustain things that we teachthem when it comes to diet or
exercise or lifestyle changes.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And that that makes a lot of sense, because
everything we do, you said, hassome kind of connection with
that, and I do know that.
About the binge eating andemotional eating, you know, and
there's always something tied tothat that I can always be
traced back, you know, furtherdown the line or something that
happened, or there's thatconnection, that emotional
connection.
But it also leads me to thenext question that I wanted to
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ask you, because a lot of thisis our brain health and because
we make these choices that arebased on the trauma that you're
telling us that's within ourbody, and how much of that
correlation is not only ourbrain health but also, I know
it's affecting every other thingin our body.
I mean, does that connectioneven go into the gut health?
Where's that correlation?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.
So anytime that we have anykind of trauma, it obviously
affects the brain.
So what we know today is thatdepression, for example, is an
issue within the right side ofthe frontal cortex, versus
anxiety is the left side of thefrontal cortex.
So one of the things that I dowhen I'm dealing with people who
are, you know, dealing withaddictions or depression or
anxiety or overwhelm, is reallyunderstanding look what side of
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the brain is not working as wellas the other side.
How can I create more balance?
And there is assessment teststhat we do to kind of pinpoint
what are the areas of the brainthat may have that it's
underactive or what areas areoveractive.
How can we balance it out?
So I always say an inflamedbrain is what causes an inflamed
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gut.
So you know, a lot of times youwant to address the gut health.
But we can't address the guthealth without addressing the
brain health, because we havesomething called the
hypothalamic pituitary pathwayor the access, the connection
between the brain and the gut,which is done through the vagus
nerve.
So really addressing the brainhealth, is the brain getting
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enough circulation?
What are the areas of the brainthat is inactive, that needs to
be active more.
What are the areas of the brainthat is overactive, that it
needs to calm down, and thenaddressing that and addressing
people's sugar metabolism.
People use sugar in differentways.
A lot of people are insulinresistant, which results in a
type 2 diabetes, and a lot ofpeople are what we call reactive
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hypoglycemic, meaning that theydon't have enough sugar in
their system.
These are the people that wakeup and they have no appetite,
they don't eat for big periodsof time and then, when they
don't eat, they get reallyhangry.
So addressing those sugarmetabolism is really important
for the brain and thenaddressing if they're getting
enough circulation into theirbrain, that's really important.
So those things becomefoundation for brain health.
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And then, as we get the brainhealthier, we work with the gut
to address the gut, which Ithink has a huge impact on our
hormones.
And then the next part would be, you know, addressing the
hormones, which is alsoconnected with the brain,
because brain controls how muchhormone is getting released in
different parts of the body, inthe body.
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So you know, I think that thereis the emotional aspect and
there is the stress that we holdand, you know, really
activating people's innateintelligence, getting them
connected to that innateintelligence.
Well, the innate intelligencealready activated, right?
It's just about connecting theperson that there is this innate
intelligence and there is a wayfor you to connect to it, and
there is a way for you to beaware of your body.
And then the next step would beunderstanding their brain and
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what are the areas of theirbrain that needs more health.
And then, once you address thebrain, then we go into the gut
and we go into the hormones andthen looking at this as a big
picture and understanding thateverything is connected together
.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
So, if I heard you correctly, there sounds like
that when we do have thesetraumas or we have these things
that happen in our lives, isthere an element of our brain
that we actually kind of shutdown and then the other side
takes over.
I mean, did I hear thatcorrectly?
And then what you do is youfind where that connection is,
to be able to get that perfectbalance back so you can actually
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get over that trauma.
So, in essence, does our brainkind of have these neurons that
stop working?
I mean, can you?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
elaborate a little bit more on that.
Just to clarify that it wouldbe more like there is neural
connections or networks ofneurons, that they become
strengthened over time based onthe behaviors and experiences
that we have, and it's reallyhard to like all of a sudden
come in and like disconnectthose networks.
So what we want to do is createthese new networks that takes
over, because the brain is veryplastic.
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So we have this neuroplasticity.
That's a new subject of a lotof neuroscientists and really
focusing on.
The brain is plastic.
How do we get new neuralconnections to come that are
healthier?
So what I'm trying to say isthat there is neural connections
that we develop as we get olderthat are creating behaviors
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that are not good for us.
So one of the main things that'shappening in our society is
addiction, whether it'saddiction to cannabis or
addiction to alcohol oraddiction to porn or addiction
to social media.
It's happening right.
So those neural connections arebecoming very strong.
So when those people are cominginto the office, we have to
think how do we create anotherset of neural connections that
get stronger enough to kind ofovercome this maladaptive neural
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connections?
And then we have people thatare, you know, more right
dominance with their brain orleft dominance with their brain,
but what I'm specificallytalking about is the frontal
cortex.
When it comes to depression,the right side is more activated
compared to the left side.
So then we want to help peoplewith exercises that activate the
left side of the frontal cortexand the left side of the brain
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and people who are more anxiousand more overwhelmed.
They have the, you know, leftside is more dominant and then
we want to help the right sideto come, become activated.
But you know, that's just a verysmall portion.
When it comes to anxiety ordepression.
The other part is depression isan inflammatory problem.
So really addressing thatinflammation but also always
going back and seeing what arethe behaviors that are causing
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that depression, what are thebehaviors that are causing that
depression?
What are the behaviors that arecausing that inflammation?
What are those neural patternsthat developed in early
childhood?
That now needs to be addressed,either through therapy or, you
know, and through body somaticrelease.
That happens with networkspinal.
That allows the person torelease those traumas that
they're holding from theirmusculoskeletal system, from
their nervous system traumasthat they're holding from their
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musculoskeletal system, fromtheir nervous system.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The exciting thing about this is that you have this
opportunity to retrain yourbrain so you're not stuck in
this, in this pattern and inhaving all these things that
you've been dealing with yourwhole life and then finding out
that if you, from what you said,disconnecting this one to and
reconnecting these to be able tobring this more empowering
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neurological path that can helpyou to heal, I mean that's
really exciting because I thinka lot of people they don't
understand I mean myselfincluded.
There's things and there's timesand events that I know that
I've done over and over againand I'm like I can't figure out
what is going on in here andhere.
That's allowing me to do thatand that makes a lot of sense
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that that neurological path hasbeen so ingrained and so tight
that we have to make thatdisconnect and then to
restructure and move.
And this is exciting stuff thatyou do.
I got to ask you so when youfirst discovered this and again
you had your own experience.
It must be so rewarding to seesomebody else come in and all of
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a sudden make these substantialchanges in their life that
maybe they've been strugglingwith for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, I would say that my job is very rewarding
because I get to see that Mostpeople that come to me they've
already been to a lot of otherdoctors, I've already done a lot
of different things and, like,I'm probably the 10th or 12th or
20th doctor that they're seeingso to you know, and a lot of
times they're so hopeless, youknow, they really don't think
that they can be helped and theythink, you know, there's just
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something deeply wrong with themand it's you know, and it's
them and it's not anything else.
But you know, once they startcare and they see little changes
, and I always tell people likeyou need to see 10 to 15%
improvement even after yourfirst initial visit with me, and
if you see that improvement,I'm your person.
It means what I you know didworks and they do see it.
But then you know, eventuallyit becomes 40%, 50%, 60%, and
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then you know they have thetools.
My, I'm really big at educating.
Like I'm going to give you allthe tools and I'm going to teach
you how to retain these toolsand then go use it.
Then you have it for the restof your life.
Teach it to some other peopleand I think that's the most,
that's the beauty of this workthat this is not something, that
this is something that can betaught.
And then you, we just help withreinforcement of what we're
teaching, and then they have itfor life.
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And then we just help withreinforcement of what we're
teaching, and then they have itfor life.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It has to be productive.
I mean, whether you're trying todo something within your family
or your career, even for yourown self-growth, you know, to
have that ability to find or getan answer, like you said,
because so many times you'vegone through this whole gamut of
all these other things and theproblem hasn't been solved.
You've gone through this wholegamut of all these other things
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and the problem hasn't beensolved.
And then you get down to themolecular structure of this and
the neurological paths, and thento be able to work with that
and have those tools.
I think once we have tools toknow how to grow, that's when
all the great things happen.
You know that's.
You know information is power,right, you know.
And then being able to do thatthere is so many facets to this.
What would you say are some ofthe most common things that you
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deal with, where you find allthese connections, like when
people come to see you, or iseverybody pretty much in it?
I'm sure they're all anindividual basis, because each
person has their own individualthing that they're dealing with,
but what would you say is oneof the most common things that
you see with everyone?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I would say the most common thing is that majority of
people have something calleddysglycemia, meaning that their
body doesn't know how to usesugar, even people that, like
you know, on their blood work itlooks like they're good, like
they don't have diabetes.
But then there are people thathave hypoglycemia, meaning that
their sugar level dropsthroughout the day often and
they feel really tired and theyget really irritable.
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So I think that's a commonthing that we're not addressing,
and this is because people arereally stressed.
A lot of people are not eatingin the morning when they first
wake up, and then they're nothaving nutritious food, they're
not having enough protein.
You know, a lot of people aredoing the vegan diets, which is
great if you want to be vegan,but a lot of times they're doing
a lot of processed food,because you know they're getting
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cheeses that are processed andbreads that are processed and,
like you know, fake chicken andmeat that are processed and
they're like really terrible forthem and they're developing
this, this glycemic patterns,this, this issues with their
sugar metabolism that'simpacting their brain and then,
as a result, when the brain goesdown, everything else goes down
.
The other thing that I see iscirculation problem.
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A lot of people don't have goodcirculation, either because
they're not exercising enough orbecause they're just.
You know, they're people thathave heart issues or they're
people that have a lot ofinflammation in their arteries.
One of the markers that I liketo see on the blood work that's
usually not ordered it's calledhomocysteine.
So looking at that marker andseeing how elastic are their
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arteries, are they flexibleenough?
And then when that flexibilityis less, the circulation is not
great.
So again, or asking people ifthey have high blood pressure or
low blood pressure, a lot oftimes when people have low blood
pressure, their doctor saysthat you're great, you're never
going to have a problem.
But those are the people thatusually don't have good
circulation to their brain.
So then circulation becomes areally important thing.
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The other thing is learning howto balance your nervous system.
Most people that I see in theoffice are stuck in the fight or
flight response, and when yourbody is in a fight or flight
response, your body is not ableto repair your tissues.
Majority of the blood is goinginto the musculoskeletal system
in case you need to run away oryou need to fight the tiger that
is not there.
So really addressing that andhelping them understand that
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part of their physiology andhelping them move into that
state of balance and into thatstate of rest and digest.
And I think that's the partthat's really hard for people
and that's the part that'sreally overlooked.
When we go to doctors theyusually tell you like it's
stress, it's stress related.
You have to release your stress.
But a lot of times we're notgiving them strategies of how do
they release their stressbecause everybody is different.
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So, really digging into theirneurology and seeing what kind
of exercises do I have to givethis person to kind of balance
out their brain and, you know,allowing them to experience
network spinal as part of atreatment that helps them
release the stress from theirbody and connect with their body
.
And then one of the mostimportant things is increasing
awareness.
We're not aware of your body.
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We're like people that are inour heads and we have no
connection to our body.
And you know, helping themconnecting with their body and
understanding what does the bodyneed, what does rest look like?
A lot of people feel reallyguilty when they rest and a lot
of people think that rest isgoing out to a restaurant and
having a couple of beers andthat's still, you're
overstimulating your nervoussystem, plus you're adding
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toxicity to your brain.
So really teaching them whatdoes real rest look like?
What does safety feel like inthe body?
A lot of people don't know whatit means to feel safe, what it
means to feel deeply relaxed intheir body.
So really teaching them thedifferences between that.
I think that's really importantand those things are really
overlooked.
The other thing is most peopletell me, you know, I usually ask
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them like when was the lasttime you had blood work done?
And they tell me I did my bloodwork and my doctor said
everything is fine.
And I look at their blood workand it's not fine.
First of all, a lot of timesyou're missing a lot of markers
that are really important.
Second of all, even thoughthings are within range, they're
on the higher range or a lowerrange and it's still causing the
person symptoms.
So one of the most common one ispeople with thyroid issues.
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People with thyroid issues areoften, you know, are taking
medication, but when you look ata full thyroid panel, their
thyroid is not working well anda lot of times they don't know
why they have a thyroid problem.
So I think one of the thingsthat's overlooked is that you
know, people with thyroidproblems don't have a deficiency
of synthroid, they don't have adeficiency of low thyroxine.
There is something in thephysiology that's happening,
(29:28):
that's causing the thyroid notworking well.
And understanding where is itthat disconnect?
Is it happening in the brain?
Is it happening in the thyroidgland?
Is it happening in the liverand the gut that do the
conversion of the inactivethyroid hormone to the active
one?
Is it happening at the cell?
Because the thyroid is therebut it's not able to bind to the
cell because the cell is reallyinflamed.
So I think understandingphysiology is really important
(29:50):
and that's being overlooked,because now it's like if
something is low, I'll give youthis medication.
If something is high, I'll giveyou this medication.
And understanding why issomeone sick is completely
overlooked.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I think one of the most difficult things to
understand, especially going toand I've dealt with this with my
family is you know, there's anunderlying problem.
It's almost like putting aBand-Aid on a broken leg.
It's like, no, it's not fixingthe problem.
There's something stillunderlying.
I'm sure there's elements wherethere's medication that's
(30:25):
needed at specific times to, andI'm sure there's elements where
you have there's medicationthat's needed at specific times.
However, I think understandingthe underlying reason is a much
more functional way to be ableto heal the person than it is
just to throw some medication atit and go.
You know you'll be fine, andthat's that's.
That's very frustrating.
I do want to ask you aboutsomething, because I know this
(30:45):
has been brought up a coupletimes, not only on my podcast,
but people have asked me thesequestions is cortisol?
Oh, you hear a lot aboutcortisol and you brought up
about fight and flight, and weknow that cortisol can do some
heavy duty stuff within yourbody.
How does cortisol actuallyaffect the body when it is due
to stress, based on theseneurological connections in your
(31:09):
brain and your thyroid and yourgut?
Does this all have acorrelation?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.
So we used to think thatcortisol was just an adrenal
gland problem and you know theterm that was used is that this
person has adrenal fatigue.
But now what we know is thatit's actually a brain problem.
It's because the brain is notable to communicate to tell the
gland to produce enough or notto produce enough.
So, understanding if the personhas, it's somebody that is
(31:34):
producing a lot of cortisol andthen the time in which the
cortisol is circulating in thebody is very short.
So they wake up, they haveenergy and then, boom, their
energy drops in the afternoon.
Or are they somebody that theyhave very?
You know, their cortisol is verysluggish.
It doesn't come in until theydrink some coffee.
There is a lot of people thatthey say they can't function
until they have that first cupof coffee.
They say that they look forwardto waking up and taking that
(31:57):
coffee because they don't haveenergy.
These are people that theydon't have a good cortisol
response.
So it's not really about ifthere's too much cortisol that's
causing the inflammation.
It's about the balance ofcortisol.
This is why, when we do acortisol testing, we want to see
a nice curve where the cortisolis increasing, it's coming in.
It's slowly decreasing and thatresponse goes usually with
(32:20):
melatonin, where the melatoninis low in the morning and then
eventually it goes high and bynighttime they're getting sleepy
.
So I would say that theimbalance of the cortisol has a
lot of impact on our bodybecause we use it for a lot of
different things and also toomuch of it can cause the body a
lot of damage.
It's inflammatory and toolittle of it makes the person
(32:41):
very sluggish and fatigued.
So understanding their pattern,I think, is one of the most
important things.
Very sluggish and fatigued, sounderstanding their pattern, I
think, is one of the mostimportant thing.
Like what I see, is that a lotof practitioner, when they see
somebody has, they assume thatthey're having adrenal fatigue.
Is that they're giving themthings, that it's basically
stimulating their cortisol andwhat's happening?
That they get a good amount ofcortisol and then it drops.
What do we have to think about?
(33:03):
Is what's happening in thebrain that they're not?
You know that that cortisolaccess and the production is not
happening properly.
So I think when it comes tocortisol, the balance becomes
really important andunderstanding.
How do we need to address this?
Do we need to increase thelifetime of the cortisol so it
can last longer in someone'sbody, or is it somebody that's
(33:24):
not producing enough?
Or is it this person that isproducing too much and we need
to reduce it?
And all of those things canhave an impact that it could
show up as fight or flightresponse.
So a lot of people think thatfight or flight is only when you
have a lot of cortisol and it'sactually just an imbalance that
could cause it.
So yes, cortisol causes astress and it is associated with
(33:45):
fight or flight response, butthen how long does it last in
the body?
It also makes a difference.
And when does it go up?
Because sometimes you have toolittle at night and all of a
sudden you have panic attacks inthe night.
Is it only cortisol?
No, it's not only cortisol.
It could also be otherneurotransmitters, such as GABA
that's impacting it.
For example, a lot of female inperimenopause.
(34:10):
They don't have good sleep, andthe reason that they don't have
good sleep is because in orderfor the neurotransmitter GABA
for it to work, you have to needprogesterone, and if you don't
have enough progesterone which alot of women in perimenopause
or menopause that don't have itthen it's not working and then
again they're thinking that it'sa cortisol problem.
So they're taking a lot ofsupplements that is increasing
their cortisol, but they'recompletely missing the picture.
So I think it's really importantto understand where is it
(34:32):
coming from?
You could still be verystressed out, but we check your
cortisol and it's very little.
You don't have, your system isnot producing much.
So I just want to be clearabout that, because usually we
think as if you're stressed andif you're anxious, that means
that it's a cortisol problem,and sometimes it's not a
cortisol problem.
It's a neurotransmitter problem.
Sometimes people with glutensensitivity have something
(34:55):
called GAD antibody, thatbasically, that antibody is not
allowing for the GABA to beproduced, so they don't have the
neurotransmitter that calmstheir brain down.
So it's not a cortisol problem,it's another problem.
This is why I think finding theroot cause is really important,
and I see a lot of people.
They go to Dr Google and theygo to ChatGPT or they're going
(35:16):
to YouTube and they're gettingall this information and they're
taking all the supplements andthe supplement company.
They do great marketing.
It sounds really good, but itmay may not be something that
you needed.
Actually could do the oppositefor you.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And, before we go any further, I would like everyone
to know please reach out to DrRasta.
You can find her link below.
If you're watching the YouTubechannel and if you are listening
to the podcast, as you know,you can click on her name and
that'll take you right to her,her website, and not only is she
take people in person, but shealso will work with you
(35:50):
virtually.
I would like people to know,because your information is so
valuable and and I think thatthis would help a lot of people,
because there's so many factorsto this and there's so many
unknowns, and I, I personallyknow people that have been from
from place to place to place orthey're doing what, like you
said, where they go on Google orthey take all these supplements
and they're like, okay, I feela little bit better, but
(36:12):
something's still not right andit still sounds like it's all
coming back to these underlyingtraumas.
So I guess my next questionwould be so is our body when we
experience these traumas?
Does our and I don't want toput words, I'm just asking
because I don't know Does ourneurological, does our neurons,
(36:33):
does our nervous system rememberthat trauma that causes us to
have these things happen?
You know, again, I may be offthe track here, but that's what
I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, our nervous system remembers everything and
even though our brain is reallysmart and a lot of times the
brain has the capability ofdeleting your memories so that
you can block it out, it showsup in the patterns on the things
that you do.
So I believe that your nervoussystem remembers a lot of the
things, but also your nervoussystem.
It's amazing at changing things.
(37:06):
So once we start to tell ourbrain and reframe some of the
memories and some of the thingsthat has happened to us, then
our brain starts to create thosenew neural connections and it
can overcome those past neuralconnections that they were
causing us more stress andanxiety.
So I absolutely believe thatand this is why I think you know
therapy and doing EMDR therapy.
They're so important in helpingpeople create these new
(37:29):
neurological connections andcreating a new virion in the
system.
But what is also I think it'smissed is what we hold in our
body.
I don't know if you've noticed,but like there's things that
you can tell by some people'sposture.
Like you can just look atsomebody and you can tell if
they're anxious or if they'redepressed or what's going on
(37:49):
with them.
And this is because ourneurology does remember what has
happened to us and, based onwho we are and how we process
our experiences, our bodychanges and we contract our
muscles differently.
One of the things that I do inthe office is that I scan
people's muscles by usingsomething called surface
electromyography.
It's basically checking to seewhere they're holding tension
(38:12):
and it's really interesting forthem to see how much tension
they're holding, where are theyholding it and how much energy
their body is using just tocontract in that area, even
though it's not necessary andit's just an energy that's being
completely wasted just becausethe body is feeling that I need
to really contract, I need toreally protect my heart.
(38:32):
So people that have the roundedshoulder, that they have more
of the head forward posture.
It's not just a postural issue,but it's also about emotions
and stuff that they're holdingin their body and then being
able to process that in the body.
Whether you're doing it with atherapist or you're doing it
somatically, it can be reallyhelpful for you and a lot of
times I think somatic therapy isreally helpful because you
(38:54):
don't have to remember all thetraumas.
It's just that the body knowshow to process it without you
having to think about it.
People a lot of times cry onthe table and they're processing
things, but they have no ideawhy.
And I tell them it's okay, youdon't need to know why your body
is releasing and that's goodenough.
The body is smart enough toknow how it needs to release,
and you don't have to rememberevery single trauma that
(39:16):
happened to you.
So this is another reason thatI like this technique because
you can still process thingswithout having to think about it
and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
So what can someone expect when they come into your
office I mean someone who's juststarting or contacts you.
What would be the protocol?
What would they be doing thatwould help them get through this
whole process?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
So the first thing is that everybody gets a free
consultation with me over thephone.
We talk about what are theirgoals, why they're coming in,
what can be done, what are someof the things that they've
already done that I want to seethose results in.
If they've done a recent bloodwork or stool test or some kind
of different testing thatthey've done, I want to see that
and what else needs to be done.
So my initial visit is brokendown into two visits and each
(40:02):
visit is two hours.
So we spend about four hours inthe office really understanding
all the different patterns, allthe different things we need to
work on.
On the first visit I get acomprehensive.
We do a comprehensive historytaking and understanding what's
going on with them, evaluatingtheir brain, their posture,
doing different tests to seewhat's going on with them.
But also we do a scan calledheart rate variability to kind
(40:24):
of understand if their body's ina state of fight or flight or
rest and digest, and how far isit in the state of fight or
flight, and then we can also seehow adaptable they are to
stress.
So that's really importantbecause that's the first step in
order to help somebody heal iskind of changing that pattern
from the fight or flight to astate of balance.
Then we do another scan.
It's called a neurothermal scan.
(40:45):
It's basically we're looking tosee how their nerves are
communicating with their organsand which organ may be under a
little bit more stress.
And then we do another scanit's called surface
electromyography to look attheir muscles, and these are
just the muscles that help yoube seated, so they're keeping
you upright to see how muchenergy are you using when you're
simply seated.
Where are you holding yourtension patterns?
(41:05):
Then after that they receivedtheir first body work treatment
with me and I say body workbecause I kind of shifted based
on what they need on the firstvisit.
If they are somebody thatthey're holding a lot of tension
in their jaws, they have a lotof tension in their head, they
have a lot of headaches, I maydo something called craniosacral
therapy and then network spinalis always followed by one of
(41:26):
the things that I may do.
So I may work on their neck ortheir jaw or their head, or we
might do some tapping about someof their belief systems, about
how we can change some of thesebelief systems about the body
and the healing of the body, andthen that's followed by
something called vibroacoustictherapy.
The vibroacoustic therapy is atechnology that basically helps
their brain to tap into thealpha wave, the theta waves, the
(41:50):
waves of the brain that aremore important for healing.
And then the visit is followedby a second visit.
On the second visit we discusswhat needs to be done as far as
testing diagnostic testing suchas blood tests, stool tests,
food sensitivity testing, dnatesting, heavy metal testing.
That kind of really depends onour first visit, seeing like
where they're at what has beendone.
(42:12):
What I really like to dobecause I really love saving
people money because a lot ofthese tests are out of pocket is
I usually coach them about whatthey need to say to their
primary doctor to get some ofthose markers done through their
primary doctors so that we canat least get some blood work
reading with them, some of thebasic things checked with them,
and then on the second visit wekind of decide what tests they
(42:33):
need to do.
They receive another body workfrom me, along with the network
spinal, and then it's followedby something called high tone
therapy.
High tone therapy is atechnology that addresses the
mitochondria inside every cellas well as helping the cell
become more sensitive todifferent hormones in the body.
So all of our cells, they havereceptors.
In order for those hormones towork, the hormone has to bind to
(42:55):
the receptor to go into thecell.
For example, glucose is one ofthem.
The cell has to respond toinsulin in order for it to open
the gate and for the glucose togo in.
So the technology basicallyhelps with those receptors,
getting them more sensitive tothe hormones so that they can
take in the peptides and thedifferent molecules that needs
to go inside the cell, as wellas helping the mitochondria
which is responsible for ATPproduction, which is your energy
(43:17):
production, and that's followedby an infrared sauna and that's
basically to help yourdetoxification pathway.
So we do all these differentthings to kind of see like what
is going to have the bestresponse in the body, which one
did they like the best, whichone do they think they?
You know it makes a differenceand then by that time we're also
like making a decision aboutwhat are the services that they
(43:40):
need and which program do theyneed and how long do they need.
And then, usually by a thirdvisit, if you have their blood
test or a stool test, then I cangive them a personalized
protocol based on their stooltest or blood test or brain test
, and we're kind of decidinglike, okay, these are the
nutrition you're taking, theseare the supplements you're
taking, how many visits you haveto come in, what are the
services you need to get here.
And that's where we go.
(44:02):
And usually you know, I alwaystell people that when they sign
up for the program I will givetheir money back if the issue
doesn't resolve.
That's how confident I feelthat if people stay compliant,
they come in and they do thetreatment that I'm setting up
for them.
They take the supplements, theydo their exercises, they get on
the technologies.
I know that what hasn't beenresolved can be resolved,
(44:23):
because I truly believe that thebody can heal themselves.
Now some people have, like youknow, genetic issues,
neurological issues.
That is really progressedalready.
I even have helped people withParkinson and MS.
But if it's really progressed,then I can reverse it.
But I can definitely guaranteethat I can make them, you know,
make them get a little bit,improve a little bit and then
(44:45):
stay in that improvement.
But you know there are somethings that you know I can't, I
can't, I can't, you know, undowhat's been done, but the
majority of people I canguarantee that I can, that I can
get them to a better place andwe can resolve their symptoms,
(45:05):
and after a while, because ittakes a little bit of time for
the gut and for the blood testto shift, and we can even shift
those on the blood test, becausewe always do a blood test, a
stool test, in the beginning andthen we do one at the end when
we're finished with the program,and we can just show them their
improvements within thosechemistry in their body.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
I'm going to give you the last two minutes to be able
to kind of wrap all this up,because this has been incredible
information and I know otherpeople are going to want to
reach out to you, so please, ifthere's anything else you'd like
to add, um.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
What I want to add is that your body has the
capability of healing.
It's just that you have tobelieve.
You have to believe that youcan heal.
That's the first step.
The next, the next step isunderstanding that there is
discomfort in life.
Life is not always comfortableand I think a lot of times when
we're uncomfortable, we want toreach out for the food or for
our social media, or for thecannabis or for the alcohol.
(46:01):
And I just want to invite you tobe uncomfortable and just
experience what it means to beuncomfortable and then just know
that if you want to truly, ifyou want true health, if you
want true vitality, it'spossible.
But you have to change yourpatterns and you have to
understand your patterns thatyou can run away from yourself.
But it is extremely rewardingwhen you reach that point, when
you know you are the cause ofyour own healing.
(46:23):
I'm the one I will educate youand I will facilitate the
process, but you're always yourown healer and I just you know I
think a lot of practitionersthey take that power away from
you that you feel like yourhealth, you know, is in the
hands of another doctor oranother practitioner.
Your health is in the hands ofyourself, and I think that as
you connect deeper to yourintuition, to your body's innate
(46:44):
intelligence, you can makethose decisions for yourself.
And by just having the righttools, there is no way that you
cannot heal.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
And that is good advice, because I think a lot of
times we're responsible for ourown health and having that
empowerment and the knowledge isgoing to be invaluable.
I want to thank you so much forbeing with us.
We are definitely going to haveyou back.
I want it.
We've got so much moreinformation we didn't get an
opportunity to cover.
But until then, please reachout to Dr Rasta.
You can find that informationdown below and if you're
(47:16):
listening to the podcast, pleaseclick on her name to be able to
reach out to her.
And again, she does itvirtually and I want to thank
you.
I mean, we have so much more tocover, so I'm looking forward
to having you back.
Thank you for being with us.
Thank you so much, mickey.
All right, you guys pleasereach out and I will look
forward to seeing you.
Until then, remember the mostcourageous thing you can do is
(47:37):
be yourself, and I look forwardto seeing you on the next
episode of Coach Mickey andFriends.
Until then, see ya.
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