March 25, 2024 • 36 mins
Have you ever wondered what fuels the relentless drive of athletes and entrepreneurs alike? Dre Baldwin, the mastermind behind Work On Your Game Inc., pulls back the curtain on the power of mental toughness that's essential for triumphing in both arenas. Through the lens of his own transformation from a high school bench player to a professional athlete, Dre explains the pivotal role of discipline and confidence—tools that don't just elevate your game on the court, but can catapult your business ambitions to new heights.
Our conversation with Dre ventures into the contemporary intersection of sports and technology, where the digital age brings both challenges and opportunities. He shares wisdom on navigating the constant hum of social media and the comparisons it invites, offering advice on building a personal fortress of self-belief that stands unshaken amidst the noise. For athletes wrestling with the online world, and coaches steering them towards growth, Dre's insights are a compass for maintaining mental clarity and focus.
As we trace Dre's footsteps into the entrepreneurial sphere, we unravel how the tenets of athletic discipline translate seamlessly into the business playbook. Dre's journey from athlete to thought leader, and the birth of Your Game University, serves as a vivid illustration of how sports-derived principles can reach far beyond the court, fostering high performance in any field. For those captivated by Dre's story and eager to cultivate such a mindset, his transition is not just instructive but inspirational, marking the trail from strategic dribbling to strategic business thinking.
As CEO and Founder of Work On Your Game Inc., Dre Baldwin has given 4 TEDxTalks on Discipline, Confidence, Mental Toughness & Personal Initiative and has authored 33 books. He has appeared in national campaigns with Nike, Finish Line, Wendy's, Gatorade, Buick, Wilson Sports, STASH Investments and DIME magazine.
- Dre has published over 8,000 videos to 142,000+ subscribers, his content being viewed over 100 million times.
- Dre's daily Work On Your Game Podcast has over 2,600 episodes and more than 7 million downloads.
- In just 5 years, Dre went from the end of his high school team's bench to a 9-year professional basketball career. He played in 8 countries including Lithuania, Germany, Montenegro, Slovakia and Germany.
- Dre invented his Work On Your Game framework as a "roadmap in reverse" to help professionals with mindset, strategy, accountability and execution.
- A Philadelphia native, Dre lives in Miami.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey you welcome to the coaching minds podcast, the
official podcast of mentaltraining plan.
Our mission is to empowercoaches with the tools and
insights to develop the mentalside of the game for their
athletes, both on and off thefield.
We believe in deliberateplanning and execution, because
just hoping you'll be at yourbest when it matters the most is
Not good enough.
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Today I've got Dray Baldwinwith me, and Dray, I would love
to.
To start off, just tell theaudience a little bit about who
you are and what you do.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Sure, I appreciate you having me on, ben.
Who am I?
I have this company called workon your game.
What we do is we extract thetools to help athletes reach the
top of the sports world.
We teach them the businesspeople so you perform it there
highest level, do soconsistently and, of course,
make money in business.
But the same things you want todo in sports, we teach people
how to do it in business, andbackground just comes from being
an athlete and extracting thosethings in the sports world and
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Realizing through.
I'm sure we'll talk about how Ifound out that those tools that
work on the court also work inthe boardroom.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
For sure.
So take us back to your playingdays.
Tell us just a little bit aboutkind of your background as a
basketball player and and howyou sort of grew up and what you
saw Specifically maybe in themental side of the game as you
were going through your career.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sure.
So grew up in Philadelphia, pa,based in South Florida now, but
growing up was into every sport, played a little bit everything
, tried a little bit of footballand never seriously played
travel.
But a baseball, which I didplay, but I wasn't good, I was
no mediocrity was my ceiling.
Eventually moved over tobasketball age 14 it's pretty
late if you're trying to gosomewhere in the sport.
So high school only played oneyear was my senior year and I
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sat the bench.
I like to tell people, ben, Ihad the best seats in the house,
right at the front row on thebench, watching all the games,
scored two points per game as ahigh school senior.
Walked on the plane in college.
It was naturally I was notrecruited to play college ball.
Walked on that a division threeschool and I did play but
didn't set the world on fire andon top of that is only a D3, so
it didn't really matter.
When he came to like the nextlevel, professional and at the
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pro level, I was able to hustlemy way, had to hustle my way
into playing pro ball, which Iwas able to do, started a
nine-year career While doingthat, start putting videos on
his brand new website calledYouTube and I started my program
in 2005, so when I say brandnew, I do literally mean brand
new, and through that that'swhen I started to build an
audience online.
After a few years, those playersstarted asking questions about
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my approach, because they Knew alittle bit about my story,
because I would respond to thecomments, and then they was just
see I was putting our contentso consistent.
And this is before it was anormal thing to just be putting
content on the internet for free, like that wasn't a thing.
So they started asking now,what keeps you coming to the gym
to work out every day?
Or how do you get theconfidence to perform in a game
the way you do in practice?
Or why'd you keep trying whenyou face all these setbacks?
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Or how do you even get starteddoing any of this stuff?
And from there I started toformulate the, the foundation of
the framework that became workon your game, just talking about
discipline, confidence, mentaltoughness, personal initiative
same things you need in sports.
I mean things that we need insports.
And what happened was been oncepeople who were not athletes
Started finding those videoswhere I would talk about mindset
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and they would say, dre, Idon't even play sports, but the
way you're describing mindsetand where you're talking about
it, this applies to me as well,and I'm not even an athlete.
So that's how I knew who Iwould serve, or who I could
serve, outside of just the realmof sports, because I always
knew I was going to take what Iwas doing outside of the sports
base.
So that was the starting pointof it.
But this was five years beforeI started playing, so by the
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time I stopped playing alreadyknew what I was going to do next
, and that's what I do now.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So talk to us a little bit about.
You're a, you're a high schoolsenior, you're you brand new to
the sport and you decide youknow what?
I'm gonna go play collegebasketball.
Walk us through maybe that,that decision process, maybe
where that confidence came from,was it?
You know, I know that this iswhat I want to do and I want to
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become a professional basketballplayer after that.
Was it just?
I love this game.
Take it, take us back to thosecollege days.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah.
So and I don't know if therewas even a decision process been
, I think give me a little bittoo much credit.
I think it was.
Just I was playing basketballand I could feel that I was
getting better, even though Ididn't have any tangible proof
that I was getting better.
So I wasn't making any teams, Iwasn't putting up any stats or
making any.
No, all city teams or anythinglike that, anything that was the
good players.
I wasn't on that list.
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But I could feel myself gettingbetter because I was just going
to the playground and justpracticing on my own.
And playing in the localpick-up games at the park was
what we do when you're fromwhere I'm from, and Even though
I only made it my senior year onto the team, that was an
accomplishment for me because Iwas at least on the roster.
All right, that was a big dealto just be on the roster.
At least I made the basketballteam, so it was some validation
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for all the effort that I wasputting to getting better.
So I knew that I was going tocollege period.
Whether I was playing sports ornot, I knew I was going to go
to college, I wanted to go tocollege it was.
It was a great excuse to getout of, get out of the house, so
I get on my parents house.
So, whatever school I ended upat, I knew I was just going to
try to walk on to the basketballteam, because I knew that was
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the thing that they have opentryouts for whoever shows up.
Luckily, I went to a schoolthat was pretty small, so I got
to be a medium-sized fish and apretty small pond and Got on a
basketball team pretty quickly.
So there I was probably themost talented player on the team
.
My freshman year I didn't putup the best stats, but I knew I
had the most talent and I wasstill again.
I was still getting better.
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Because the thing is then youstart playing basketball on your
five.
You may have basically maxedout on your talent by the time
you're 15, but I'd start playingwhen I was 14.
So by the time I was 18, I wasstill on this learning for a
while.
I was still on this growthcurve of getting better at
basketball.
So I was still improving,whereas most of my teammates
were pretty much they were whothey were going to be and Now I
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was just staying in the gym.
Same thing I did when I was inthe playground and didn't have
access to a facility.
Now make college have access toa facility so now I can use the
indoor gym.
So I just kept practicing andjust kept using that and getting
better.
I ended up getting recruited,actually from a, the school I
was first.
That was not even full-fledgedD3 at the time it was
provisional.
What's basically meant you canonly play two years of sports.
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So after my freshman year I gotrecruited to a school that was
a four-year.
D3 was another step up andagain, that was more validation
for me.
And Continue.
I finished out my career thereand, even though I didn't set
the world on fire, I was on theteam.
I was on the roster, I was oneof the best players on campus
again, not a big deal at a D3,but something.
And that was where I met one ofmy teammates.
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He knew some people who hadplayed overseas, so he knew
about the overseas thing.
But for me in college it wasjust continuing to work on my
game, continuing to use thefacilities, continuing to lift
weights, which I got introducedto when I was in college, and I
just pieced together in my mindwhat do I need to do to get
better.
I knew I needed to getphysically stronger.
I need to work on know thispart of my game, this the jump
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shot, the handle, whatever Ijust did, whatever I've
logically made sense to me toimprove because at this time
what's remember is not like I'mpulling up Instagram or YouTube
to Figure out how to practicethese things didn't exist, so I
was going off of my, just mypractical knowledge.
I won't call it common sensebecause it wasn't common sense.
It was just practical,deductive reasoning as to what I
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could do to improve my game.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's all I did Talk to us a little bit about.
I mean cuz there there's got tobe some pretty strong mindset
here that's starting to develop,because there's a lot of kids
who, in that situation, wouldlook around and would see all of
the problems, all the reasonsthat you're a little bit behind.
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You know you've got all thesepeople that are on your team
that are starting and you'resitting on the bench as a high
schooler and you know you'replaying at a small provisional
D3 school, like there's plentyof opportunity for you to feel
sorry for yourself, for you tomake excuses, for you to say,
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well, I just you know I'm alittle bit behind
developmentally or I've got sucha long way to go.
Talk to us a little bit about.
You know, how does this, howdoes your mindset start
developing through these times?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Great points that you make.
There been in a couple ofthings.
Number one, I was dumb enoughto keep trying, and number two,
ben, it was actually a blessingin disguise that we didn't have
all the technology andaccessibility to each other back
then that we have now.
And the reason why is becauseof everything that you just said
because, see, at age 16 or 17,I'm sitting on the bench, not
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really playing, don't reallyhave much accomplishment, I'm
not being recruited None ofthose things that you would
think an athlete who's on a protrajectory would have.
I didn't have any of that, andmy parents not only my parents
would ship me around the AAUtournaments.
And I played a second AAUbasketball.
And had I been 16, 17 today,going through that same thing, I
would have been looking on myphone, seeing all the other
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players my age doing what I wasnot doing and figuring well,
this must be proof that I'mdoing the wrong thing.
I would have given up onbasketball and all that talent
would have went with it, or thatpotential talent would have
went with it, because it wasn'treally talent at that point.
So it was actually good that Ididn't have access to see all
the stuff that you justdescribed.
I maybe could have theorizedthat that was happening.
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And back then I mean back thenyou know, you look at magazines
and you would see the allAmerican top 100 players in the
nation in your age bracket orsomething like that, and you
would see that and I said, okay,I know I'm not on that list,
but it got to be a whole bunchmore players who were out there
that are also not on that list.
They were actually doingsomething.
So I'm in the same boat as them.
And again, you don't know whatyou don't know.
So the ignorance was actually abeautiful thing.
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Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
So, and at the same time, I wasalso.
I'm the type of person who Idon't know.
If you're familiar with the bigfive personality traits, then,
but one of them is adisagreeableness, or
agreeableness or disagreeable.
I've always been high on adisagreeable scale, meaning it
doesn't mean being a negativeperson or a nasty person.
What it means is you're a typeof person who is willing to go
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against the grain.
Also, the reason why I was only.
I was the only player on thebasketball team in the gym
working on my game outside ofteam requirements.
I was the one in the gymlifting weights.
When nobody told us to liftweights, nobody mandated that we
do it, I would always give myextra time whenever I had any to
continue to work on my game.
That's why I continued to getbetter.
So and because and also that Ihad the belief that I could go
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to a level that nothing in mypresent reality said I could go
to that level.
All of that is part of my.
That disagreeability again,which has really nothing to do
with other people, is more aboutyou looking at yourself and
your situation to saying can Isee something here, even though
nobody else sees anything here.
So for me to answer yourquestion here, in the big
picture it was the discipline ofcontinuing to work on my game.
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It was the ignorance of notknowing what I didn't know about
, what it was supposed to looklike if I was going to become
the person who played at thenext level.
And that discipline piece Ijust give credit to my parents,
who are not athletes, not evensix feet tall and 64.
Neither of my parents is evenclose to six feet.
But they taught, know thediscipline of do your chores, do
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your homework, know berespectful, know do good in
school, that kind of discipline,and they went to work every day
, even though, again, they werenot athletes.
I just took that samediscipline and I was.
That was modeled for me at homeand I applied it to the
basketball court.
Love that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So how would you, how would you maybe suggest that
coaches go about interactingwith players nowadays, who can
get on pretty quick, pretty easy, and not only can, they are
literally surrounded everysecond of the day by this clip,
that clip, this highlight reel.
How do you, how do you mayberecommend that either the
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athletes or the coaches that areworking with the athletes
handle that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well, the first thing is the player has to have a.
The player has to have aconversation with themselves
before they will listen toanything that the coach says.
I've always been a firmbeliever in that, and that's
even when I'm working withpeople who are not athletes.
There are certain things thatyou have to say to yourself
before you're going to absorbanything that I say to you.
So that means you have to havesome level of belief within
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yourself that you can actuallymake it to level a, b or C,
whatever is going to be, andthen whatever somebody says is
just going to be like Velcro isgoing to stick to what's already
in you.
But if there's no Velcro works,you need two pieces.
So if there's no Velcro in you,then there's nothing I say is
going to stick to you.
So you have to have somethingin you that actually believes
that, and I can't put that inyou.
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You got to have it, you got toshow up with that, and this is,
I would think.
I'm not a sports coach, but Iwould think most sports coaches.
They look for certain types ofplayers and this is probably
part of the formula.
Right?
Does this player have this?
And each coach has differentthings that they want, but I
would guess that every sportcoach out there is looking for
certain things and certainplayers, and if they know that
certain things are not there,doesn't matter how much talent
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or potential a player has, thatcoach might have to turn that
player down because they don'thave this.
And I can't help, I can't workwith this guy.
So you got to have a little bitof this in yourself and just
this little bit that I've wetalked about here so far been.
What I'm telling you is thatwhen I just started playing at
14 again, I didn't have anybodytake me under my wing, under
their wing.
Nobody taught me how to play.
Nobody said I see potential,when you dry, I'm going to make
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you into a player.
No, it was me going to the parkagain, outside playground court
that anyone had access to.
I was just go out there whennobody else was out there and
work on my game on my ownvolition, because I chose to.
Nobody else in the neighborhoodwas out there.
Again, what's the differencebetween me and everybody else?
Everybody knew what a court was.
Everyone knew what a playgroundwas.
Is just that I made thedecision to go out there and do
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the work when they did and whenit was in college, same thing.
Everyone had access to abeautiful facility where all the
students everyone can accessthe gym.
And again, this is not this D3,so it's not like there's a
basketball gym, there's a onegym.
I was only one in there workingon my game.
I was the one in there liftingweights.
There was something inside ofme that wanted to do that.
Any coach could have helped meget to the pro, helped me, quote
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unquote get to the pro level,because I was going to get there
, whether they helped me or not,and that was my decision.
So it starts with the personthat you're working with and
then the coaches.
Again, you can only, as theysay, the horse to the water can
make a drink.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Let's say there is a, there's a player who wants to
head in that direction.
They have, they have maybe alittle taste of okay, maybe this
is, maybe this is a possibility.
You know, on the on the fear tofaith scale, like they've moved
out of fear, maybe they're intothat doubt.
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Like you know, I'm just okay,maybe I'm just not sure this is
going to happen.
How can we help them take thatnext step kind of into believing
?
All right, yeah, yeah, I can dothis.
How do we, how do we helpdevelop that internal Velcro
that you were talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Great question.
I think it's three specifictraits that anyone has to have.
They're going to be coachedfrom where they are to where
they want to go.
There's some potential that canbe grown in them.
The three traits are beingcoachable, being committed and
willing to get uncomfortable.
You need all three.
Being coachable just means thatyou're willing to have somebody
tell you hey, here's where youcan improve, here's how this is.
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You're not doing this one quiteright.
Here's where I see a little bitof slippage.
Here.
I'm gonna hold you accountablebecause this part wasn't done
the way that I showed you how itneeds to be done.
A lot of people are simply notcoachable, even athletes, I'm
sure you know I haven't workedwith plenty of athletes and it
me and myself haven't beenteammates with a lot of athletes
, hearing from a ton of athletesbeing in, and I've been online
for so many years.
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I hear from athletes all thetime.
A lot of athletes are simplynot coachable.
They just don't want to listen.
They don't want anyone to tellthem anything.
If someone does tell themsomething, instead of taking it
as what it is, which is coaching, they take it as criticism.
And correction is not criticism.
Someone's telling you acorrection.
Hey, we need to fix this.
That's not a criticism.
And even if you take it as acriticism, you should be happy
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because someone who knows morethan you offers your criticism.
You should be glad becauseotherwise they could have said
nothing left.
You do and let you keep messingup until you get in the game
and let the opponent show youthat you messed up, and by that
point it's too late.
So being willing to acceptcoaching is number one.
Number two you got to becommitted to what you want.
If you're committed to thisgoal, you need to understand
that what you've been doing upto this point is not going to
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get you there in time for you tomake the most of the goal,
which means I'm going to pushyou this is the coach talking.
I'm going to push you to dosome things that you otherwise
probably wouldn't do, but aslong as you're committed to the
goal, then we're going to getthere.
Which means if I tell you be atthe gym at six o'clock, when I
walk in the gym at 545, youshould be there already.
I shouldn't be calling you.
You should be calling me.
If I don't call you for a weekabout working out, you should be
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calling me three days into thatweek and saying, hey, coach,
when can we work out again?
What else do I need to do?
I did everything you told me.
What's the next thing I need todo?
Someone who's highly committed.
That person you can work with.
But a person who's not committed, they're not bought in.
Then you find yourself as acoach wanting it for them more
than they want it for themselves.
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There's only so far you couldtake that person.
A person has to be in.
They have to want it.
These people are.
They are few and far between,but it doesn't mean there's not
a whole lot of them.
There's eight billion people onthe planet.
It's not everybody, but there'sa pocket of those people.
You want to look for thatcommitted type.
And the third type is a personwho's willing to get
uncomfortable.
If you're being coasted andyou're willing to and you're
committed, you're going to bepushed to be uncomfortable.
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You just have to be acceptingof that discomfort when it
happens, because all the growthin life happens outside of our
comfort zone.
So most people are familiarwith that saying or some form of
it.
You have to be willing to stepoutside of what you're used to
doing in order to get somethingthat you have not had up until
this point.
Logically, that makes perfectsense to everyone.
It's the emotional acceptanceof it that matters the most as
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to whether or not you're willingto do the things that are going
to make you uncomfortable.
So coaching, coachable,committed and willing to get
uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I love that and I feel like, as you know, coaches
that are working with highschool athletes that are
obviously not choosing orrecruiting who they have, they
kind of they have, who they have.
I think those three areas aredefinitely something that you
know is worth intentional timetalking about those, maybe
having the some of the olderathletes talk to the younger
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athletes and give some examplesof how this has helped.
I love those three points.
Let's go back to your story,dre.
So we're now.
You're now in college andyou've got dreams that you know
what my playing days aren't over.
What are those next steps looklike for you?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, first thing is in college, the first year, I
was just trying to figure outhow do I get out of here,
because I know I only had twoyears, all right.
So the first thing is I need tosomehow some way get myself
recruited, and I think it'd beuseful for the players out there
to hear how this happened.
So after my freshman year, I'mat Penn State Admington, which
is right outside of Philadelphia, and Penn State University has
23 campuses.
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So I'm at Penn State Admington.
This is the provisional D3school, only two years
eligibility.
So after my freshman year, I'mlike man I only got one more
year of basketball.
I have to somehow some wayeither play my way out of here
or something has to happen forme to get out of here.
So that summer, becauseAdmington is a commuter campus,
meaning has no dorms, noon-campus housing I'm living at
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home, still driving back andforth between school every day,
20 minutes.
So I would use the facility.
In the summertime I was nottaking classes, but I would
drive up to the campus every dayand just use the facility to
work on my game.
One random one day, randomly,I'm in the cafeteria just
getting some food before I gowork out and a random guy
approaches me.
He starts asking me questionsabout what position I play, etc.
Etc.
I don't know what this guy?
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Admington's a small campus so Iknow he's not from there.
He hands me a business card,turns out he works at Penn State
, altoona.
This is the full FLEDSfour-year division three school.
He's a recruiter, he works inthe academic office, but he also
is the basketball coach as well, because back then the
basketball coach's job wasn'teven a full-time job.
So he had just recruited me onthe spot because he later told
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me he didn't know who I was buthe thought I looked like the
kind of player he knew he neededfor his roster following year.
And then later on he went anddid his due diligence and found
out that I could actually play.
So he was guessing, so I couldhave been the biggest bum on
campus, but he recruited me onthe spot anyway.
But the whole point, the reasonI shared our story, is because
the only reason that I ran intothat guy because again he was
not planning to meet me, hewasn't even in the gym when we
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met the only reason I met thatguy is because I, on my own
volition again, was coming tothe campus every day to use the
facility because it wasavailable to me to work on my
game.
None of my teammates were there.
None of my teammates werecoming to the gym.
I had that whole gym to myselfthat whole summer because I was
working on my game.
So that's how I got recruited toPenn State Altoona where I
finished out my career, andthere one of my teammates he
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knew some guys who had playedbasketball overseas.
He and I were the only two guyson campus who would ever come
to the gym by ourselves and justpractice.
The rest of our teammates willcome to the gym.
If we said, hey, everybodycomes to the gym, we're gonna
play pickup, everybody will come.
Or if the coaches said we havepractice at four o'clock, of
course everybody comes topractice.
But it wasn't one of those twooccasions and we were.
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Somebody was just in the gym ontheir own.
It was just me and my teammate.
My teammate was Piper, who was apowerscared.
He's a coach actually to thisvery day and he and I kind of
bonded over the fact that wewere the only guys who would do
that and he said, yeah, no, guyswho play overseas.
Here's what we need to dobecause we're coming from this
school.
You know you go to these thingsit's called exposure camps and
hopefully you play pretty well,you get some footage, you get a
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scouting report and there maybeyou get an agent or a coach or a
manager or a scout.
They see you, they like yourgame and they can connect you to
people who could possibly getyou on overseas.
So he's the one who gave me theblueprint, the framework for
what we needed to do, and that'swhat I spent my college years
doing, just, of course, inaddition to the playing, but
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always working on my game andbased on where we were was in
central Pennsylvania.
There are a lot of other schoolsaround, so we would go play
pick up against the main campusguys at the state college campus
.
We go to some other D2 and D1colleges around the area.
They were all within 30, 40minutes driving, so we would go
play pick up with these guys andbuild relationships or somebody
knew somebody, maybe knew agirl, maybe you know a guy,
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maybe you had a friend, and wewould go to those campuses and
play pick up just to measure ourgames against those other
players who were allegedly aboveus, because it'll level that
they were at compared to thelevel that we were at, and I
always just had it in my mindthat I know I could play at the
pro level.
I just had to figure out how amI going to prove it?
That was the only thing I knew.
I needed to figure out how toprove it because I knew from the
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school that I went to beennobody here.
No matter what you did, itwasn't going to get you signed
to a protein based on yourperformance at school.
You were going to have to dosomething in addition, because
I've seen players who put a waybetter stats than me.
They never got a chance, theynever got a sniff.
So I knew I was going to haveto do something extra.
So that's what I just had mymind on that the whole time.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You're playing overseas.
Walk us through some of themaybe some of the lessons that
you learned throughout your nineyears there.
You know just about continuingthis work ethic, continuing to
be coachable and committed andwilling to get uncomfortable.
You know now, all of a sudden,you are playing with guys that
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are at your level.
You're not the big man oncampus or the medium fish and
the small pond, as you said.
How do you walk us through whatthose times were like?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
First thing was great to have seven footers on your
team.
When you play at the D3 levelthere are no seven footers
walking around, so our centerwas about 6'6".
So there were times I wasplaying backup center in college
, but at the pro level thatdidn't happen.
You got actual seven feet guys,so you actually have some space
on a basketball court.
But the biggest thing thatpeople need to know about best
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about playing overseas is that,especially as an American, when
you're in those countries, andespecially if you're the only
American on your roster, thateverybody is watching you at all
times and you are beingevaluated every day, even in
practice.
And I've seen American playersgo places overseas or even to,
let's say, south or CentralAmerica was technically not
overseas, but we call it alloverseas.
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You go over to one of thoseplaces and you have a bad couple
of days of practice.
They will send you home beforeyou even get a chance to play in
the game, which means is everyday you have to impress.
You're expected to impressevery single day, even in the
trainings.
Even if we go to the weightroom, even if we're practicing
it, we're outside running.
You are expected to impressbecause the vision that they
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have of you, at least at thetime that I was playing, was
that you were supposed to behead and shoulders above all the
other players because they'refrom America.
That was the mindset thatpeople had then and that meant
every day was like the game.
I started treating every day,every practice was like the game
, because that's the way thatthey're evaluating you, because
they have an expectation of youand if you don't live up to the
expectation, do you know howmany players there are in
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America waiting to take your job?
A whole bunch of them.
So every day, your job is on ornot.
So I just started to treatpractice like the game.
The other thing is, in manycountries over there most
countries over there, as amatter of fact they don't play
nearly as many games as you seein the NBA.
So people who are listening toor watching this and you're used
to watching the NBA you see theKnicks and the Lakers playing
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82 games.
In six months.
We might play half as manygames, less than half as many
games in the same amount on atime, which means all those days
when the Knicks and Lakers havegames, we have practice.
I was in Montenegro, for example.
We would practice twice a day,every day, monday through Friday
, and the games will be onSaturday.
So that's 10 practices forevery one game and you have to
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show up to those practices.
As an American, you have toshow up, but you can't win them.
I can win them playing inMontenegro.
There's a bunch of Montenegro'sand Serbians there that I can't
win them.
They're all watching me and ifI'm loafing off in practice I
might lose my job because again,I heard of players having this
happen.
So I would have some of myteammates who tried to tell me
hey, you ain't got to do allthose dunks, save your legs for
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the game.
I said I can't, you're not inthe same situation, that I'm in.
All right, I got to make sure.
Every day they're saying okay,there's a reason why we got this
guy on the roster, because I'ma bigger investment.
When you're coming from overthere, overseas, you are first
of all.
They have to pay money to bringyou there, because it costs
money to fly you from the USA tothere.
They have to put you in anapartment, they have to pay for
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your food and they have to payfor you need access to the
internet.
All of these things theyusually don't have to pay for
for the other guys.
So there's a bigger investmentto have you.
That may be in a visa or animport fee, so to bring a player
from outside of the countryinto this national league,
there's money you have to pay tohave that player on the roster
and you might be making moremoney than many of your
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teammates.
So all of these things arebigger investments for the team
to have you as an American onthe roster, which means every
day you need to make sure youare doing things to justify the
investment that they're makingin you.
They don't tell you this, butagain, I understood this stuff
by deductive reason.
I just understood it.
Okay, I know it's costing themmore money to bring me here.
I better show up every day.
I can't not play hard inpractice.
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I can't.
Again, I'm not just one of theguys on this team, so I never
carried myself like I was justone of the guys.
You might be able to blend inif you had other Americans on
roster, but the most Americans Iever had as a teammate was one.
I never had more than oneAmerican teammate and many times
I was playing I was the onlyAmerican on the team.
So I know the spotlight was onme, but I didn't mind, because I
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was always preparing myself inoff seasons for how will I be in
better shape, how will I be abetter player than everybody
else in here?
And I wanted to be obviousevery single day.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And how does that pressure of expectation, that
expectation of success, how doesthat elevate your performance
and not become just this, thisheavy weight, this heavy
pressure that just crushes youor frustrates you?
Like, talk to us a little bitabout mindset, wise.
(27:25):
How do you show up every day,even on those days that you're
not feeling like it?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Excellent question.
We'll call that doing yourhomework.
And doing your homework meansyou prepare yourself ahead of
time for that expectation.
So when you know it's coming,what you do is you prepare
yourself in the off season.
You prepare yourself mentally,you prepare yourself physically
so that when you get there andthat gets thrown at you it's not
a burden for you.
You're actually ready for it.
You're already ready.
I knew this was coming andthere's a framework we have here
(27:56):
.
We call it the third day, andthe third day is all about
showing up and giving your besteffort when you least feel like
it.
And we call it the third daybecause often when we start
things especially in sport or ifanything physical like fitness,
working out is usually aboutthat third day that the newness
has worn off, the novelty of thesituation has gone and your
body's starting to feel a littlesore and you realize that this
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thing that you signed up for isnot going to be all fun and game
.
So this is not going to be onebig party.
There's actual work involvedhere.
And am I going to show up andgive my best effort and make
sure people can see that I'm inthe position that I'm in for a
reason.
Can you keep showing up likethat on a consistent basis?
That's what the third day isabout.
And the third day is not justabout is not about at all really
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motivating yourself even thoughif you're motivated, I'm sure I
can help.
It's really about doing apreparatory work and
strategizing and having a systemfor getting yourself ready for
that challenging day before ithappens.
And this is the hallmark of theprofessional, then, is that the
professional is always preparedbefore a situation occurs, so
that they're ready for it whenit happens.
They don't get ready when thesituation occurs.
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That's what amateurs do.
So the professional does theirhomework to find out what is
going to be expected of them,and then they prepare themselves
for that expectation.
As a matter of fact, theyprepare themselves for more than
is expected of them.
So then, whatever is asked ofthem is actually easy compared
to what they prepare for.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So now, how do you take this into the business
world?
You know, at some point all ofus, as athletes, our athletic
time is going to end, at leastas a player, and we're going to
have to now transition into thereal world, the business world,
whatever you want to call it.
Talk to us about how you tookall of this and said let's now
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apply this to real life.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
So the first thing is , when I was in college I
responded to a bulletin board adthat was just advertising make
some extra money on the side inthe summer, Because I was a
college athlete before.
Named Image and Lightness wasmeant you basically have two
jobs and you're not allowed tomake any money.
So I was a broke out, let's getit.
So I responded to this ad andit happened to be this guy was
in network marketing.
(30:04):
Now, while I did not build acareer in network marketing, I
did dabble in it a bit and goingto those meetings, I got
introduced to, first of all, theconcept of personal development
, which I wasn't familiar withat the time, and secondly, I got
introduced to just someconcepts of entrepreneurship
which I had not been taught,even though I have a full four
year business degree.
So in reading a book calledWrist Ad, Poor Dab by Robert
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Kiyosaki, I got introduced justto some concepts of
entrepreneurship and I kept thatin the back of my mind.
I said, when I get done playingsports because I knew what you
just said there've been sportsdoesn't last forever.
Eventually your career is goingto be over.
I want to go into the businessworld.
I didn't know how would do itor when or what I was going to
do when I got there.
But I knew I wanted to do it.
So as I started going back inthe story here, putting out
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those YouTube videos on mindset,and people who didn't play
sports started telling me hey,Dre, this applies to me as well.
And then he asked me to say tome Dre, man, you sound like a
philosopher, you sound like aprofessional speaker, and when
you talk and when you explainthese things, this stuff is just
as valuable as the basketballstuff.
I said, okay, well, when I getout, when I get done playing
basketball, maybe I can go intosome space where I just know
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talk to people and explain tothem mindset.
Maybe there's some business forthat.
I didn't know there was a suchthing as professional speaking.
I didn't know.
Nobody knew that you know,being able to put your own books
out there was going to come.
No one knew that podcastingexisted, but no one knew that it
was going to become what itbecame.
We weren't using phrases likeinfluencers and social media and
content.
None of those things existed atthe time, but they all started
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to come about around this timeduring the last half of my
career.
So we're talking 2010 to about2015.
And that's when I started tobuild these things all at the
same time.
And again, this is where Istarted building audience of
people who were not athletes butthey liked the fact that I was
an athlete because I'm comingfrom a different angle than
someone who just came from,let's say, a college classroom.
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I was coming from the angle ofbeing an athlete and I was
taking the athlete stuff and Iwas transmuting it into the
business world and people reallyliked that and still do it to
this very day.
So that was really my segueinto it, on top of the fact that
I've always been a kind of acomputer geek, internet geek, so
always reading, always lookinginto hey, how can I take this
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thing that I have on line?
I have this audience of peopleand I knew probably about 2009
then that whatever I was doingonline was going to be bigger
than what I did in basketball.
And I mean, that's pretty muchhow it turned out, because even
these days, I spent nine yearsas a professional athlete.
But if I go to the mall andsomebody recognizes me, 99% of
the time is from YouTube.
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It's not because they know thatI played basketball overseas.
Americans don't watchbasketball overseas, so just
because you played, nobody knows.
They know because you told them, but it's not like they saw you
playing.
People know me from theinternet, so what I was doing
online has always been biggerthan what I did as a pro athlete
.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
And, as we kind of start to wrap up here, talk us
through what you're doing now.
Talk us through, maybe, whoyou're working with, some of the
big lessons that you'reteaching, or update us with,
kind of today.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Our main focus these days is working on your game
university.
That's the place where we doall our high level coaching,
consulting, training, speakingall of our programs and there
we're working with high levelprofessionals, high level
performers or people who want toget into that top 2% at what
they do, and we work with peoplefrom a very eclectic range.
So we have doctors, we havepeople in the health space,
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people with storefronts, offlinebusinesses, people in online
businesses.
Of course, you have some peoplewho are in my same lane maybe
they're former athletes who arenow moving into the thought
leadership space, such as doingcoaching and speaking and
writing books but we have peoplefrom so many different
backgrounds because theprinciples of what I extracted
from the sports world andapplied to the business world,
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those principles apply acrossthe board.
See, the thing about principlesis that they apply no matter
where you take them, and Iunderstand the principles of
business as well because I'vebecome a student of
entrepreneurship, marketing,sales, leadership, communication
skills.
The principles that I've takenfrom those things apply in any
business, to any type of person.
So this is why people often askme well, Jerry, who's the main
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type of industry that you workwith?
Well, there isn't one.
I just told you all thesedifferent types of people we
work with for a reason becauseour principles apply across the
board in what we do.
And my superpower amongst allthe stuff that we talked about
here, then my superpower isinsight, and insight is the
ability to look at information,interpret it, discern what
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matters, what doesn't matter,separate the most important
pieces that this person needsfrom what they don't need, and
then help them to apply it.
That is my superpower, and it'sthe same thing that I use in
sports.
It's the same thing that I usenow.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I love that, and one of the final questions I always
like to ask guests is knowingwhat you know.
Now, if you were to go back andtell yourself something as an
athlete, what would that maybeone big piece of advice be?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well it would be everything.
But if I had to pick one, itwould be mastering that concept
of the third day, which Istarted to figure out once I was
in the pros, because it wasliterally the life or death of
your career whether you couldshow up every day or not.
And I think if I had understoodthat better as a college
athlete, maybe even a highschool athlete, I probably would
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have had a better amateurcareer than I did.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Love that Well.
Thank you so much for joiningus today, dre.
It's been wonderful having youon the show.
If people want to get ahold ofyou, what's the easiest way to
do that?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Easiest way is that whole concept of the third day.
I'll give people a free copy ofthat book.
Can I share it?
Yeah, absolutely Sure.
So if we're on video, here'sthe book right here, called the
Third Day, the decision toseparate the pros from the
amateurs Literally what I'vejust described.
So I'll give you a book freepaperback version.
All we ask that you're coveredwith shipping.
Just go to thirddaybookcomBooks free, just cover the
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shipping, and once you do that,you'll be on our email list and
you'll find out very quickly ouremail every single day.
So you'll be in the emailsevery day.
I still write a ton every dayonce you get this book.
As far as anything else socialmedia is, I'm on every single
one of them.
So whichever one you like touse the most is with my name up.
I am the hardest person to notfinalize Everything's public and
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then work on your gameuniversitycom.
So we do all our coaching.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Thanks for tuning into the Coaching Minds podcast.
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share it with a friend or afellow coach that might benefit
from our discussions.
If you're curious about takingyour team's mental game to the
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And until next time, make yourplan and put it to work.
Hey you welcome to the coaching minds podcast, the
official podcast of mentaltraining plan.
Our mission is to empowercoaches with the tools and
insights to develop the mentalside of the game for their
athletes, both on and off thefield.
We believe in deliberateplanning and execution, because
just hoping you'll be at yourbest when it matters the most is
Not good enough.
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Today I've got Dray Baldwinwith me, and Dray, I would love
to.
To start off, just tell theaudience a little bit about who
you are and what you do.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Sure, I appreciate you having me on, ben.
Who am I?
I have this company called workon your game.
What we do is we extract thetools to help athletes reach the
top of the sports world.
We teach them the businesspeople so you perform it there
highest level, do soconsistently and, of course,
make money in business.
But the same things you want todo in sports, we teach people
how to do it in business, andbackground just comes from being
an athlete and extracting thosethings in the sports world and
(00:51):
Realizing through.
I'm sure we'll talk about how Ifound out that those tools that
work on the court also work inthe boardroom.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
For sure.
So take us back to your playingdays.
Tell us just a little bit aboutkind of your background as a
basketball player and and howyou sort of grew up and what you
saw Specifically maybe in themental side of the game as you
were going through your career.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sure.
So grew up in Philadelphia, pa,based in South Florida now, but
growing up was into every sport, played a little bit everything
, tried a little bit of footballand never seriously played
travel.
But a baseball, which I didplay, but I wasn't good, I was
no mediocrity was my ceiling.
Eventually moved over tobasketball age 14 it's pretty
late if you're trying to gosomewhere in the sport.
So high school only played oneyear was my senior year and I
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sat the bench.
I like to tell people, ben, Ihad the best seats in the house,
right at the front row on thebench, watching all the games,
scored two points per game as ahigh school senior.
Walked on the plane in college.
It was naturally I was notrecruited to play college ball.
Walked on that a division threeschool and I did play but
didn't set the world on fire andon top of that is only a D3, so
it didn't really matter.
When he came to like the nextlevel, professional and at the
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pro level, I was able to hustlemy way, had to hustle my way
into playing pro ball, which Iwas able to do, started a
nine-year career While doingthat, start putting videos on
his brand new website calledYouTube and I started my program
in 2005, so when I say brandnew, I do literally mean brand
new, and through that that'swhen I started to build an
audience online.
After a few years, those playersstarted asking questions about
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my approach, because they Knew alittle bit about my story,
because I would respond to thecomments, and then they was just
see I was putting our contentso consistent.
And this is before it was anormal thing to just be putting
content on the internet for free, like that wasn't a thing.
So they started asking now,what keeps you coming to the gym
to work out every day?
Or how do you get theconfidence to perform in a game
the way you do in practice?
Or why'd you keep trying whenyou face all these setbacks?
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Or how do you even get starteddoing any of this stuff?
And from there I started toformulate the, the foundation of
the framework that became workon your game, just talking about
discipline, confidence, mentaltoughness, personal initiative
same things you need in sports.
I mean things that we need insports.
And what happened was been oncepeople who were not athletes
Started finding those videoswhere I would talk about mindset
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and they would say, dre, Idon't even play sports, but the
way you're describing mindsetand where you're talking about
it, this applies to me as well,and I'm not even an athlete.
So that's how I knew who Iwould serve, or who I could
serve, outside of just the realmof sports, because I always
knew I was going to take what Iwas doing outside of the sports
base.
So that was the starting pointof it.
But this was five years beforeI started playing, so by the
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time I stopped playing alreadyknew what I was going to do next
, and that's what I do now.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So talk to us a little bit about.
You're a, you're a high schoolsenior, you're you brand new to
the sport and you decide youknow what?
I'm gonna go play collegebasketball.
Walk us through maybe that,that decision process, maybe
where that confidence came from,was it?
You know, I know that this iswhat I want to do and I want to
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become a professional basketballplayer after that.
Was it just?
I love this game.
Take it, take us back to thosecollege days.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah.
So and I don't know if therewas even a decision process been
, I think give me a little bittoo much credit.
I think it was.
Just I was playing basketballand I could feel that I was
getting better, even though Ididn't have any tangible proof
that I was getting better.
So I wasn't making any teams, Iwasn't putting up any stats or
making any.
No, all city teams or anythinglike that, anything that was the
good players.
I wasn't on that list.
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But I could feel myself gettingbetter because I was just going
to the playground and justpracticing on my own.
And playing in the localpick-up games at the park was
what we do when you're fromwhere I'm from, and Even though
I only made it my senior year onto the team, that was an
accomplishment for me because Iwas at least on the roster.
All right, that was a big dealto just be on the roster.
At least I made the basketballteam, so it was some validation
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for all the effort that I wasputting to getting better.
So I knew that I was going tocollege period.
Whether I was playing sports ornot, I knew I was going to go
to college, I wanted to go tocollege it was.
It was a great excuse to getout of, get out of the house, so
I get on my parents house.
So, whatever school I ended upat, I knew I was just going to
try to walk on to the basketballteam, because I knew that was
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the thing that they have opentryouts for whoever shows up.
Luckily, I went to a schoolthat was pretty small, so I got
to be a medium-sized fish and apretty small pond and Got on a
basketball team pretty quickly.
So there I was probably themost talented player on the team
.
My freshman year I didn't putup the best stats, but I knew I
had the most talent and I wasstill again.
I was still getting better.
(05:16):
Because the thing is then youstart playing basketball on your
five.
You may have basically maxedout on your talent by the time
you're 15, but I'd start playingwhen I was 14.
So by the time I was 18, I wasstill on this learning for a
while.
I was still on this growthcurve of getting better at
basketball.
So I was still improving,whereas most of my teammates
were pretty much they were whothey were going to be and Now I
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was just staying in the gym.
Same thing I did when I was inthe playground and didn't have
access to a facility.
Now make college have access toa facility so now I can use the
indoor gym.
So I just kept practicing andjust kept using that and getting
better.
I ended up getting recruited,actually from a, the school I
was first.
That was not even full-fledgedD3 at the time it was
provisional.
What's basically meant you canonly play two years of sports.
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So after my freshman year I gotrecruited to a school that was
a four-year.
D3 was another step up andagain, that was more validation
for me.
And Continue.
I finished out my career thereand, even though I didn't set
the world on fire, I was on theteam.
I was on the roster, I was oneof the best players on campus
again, not a big deal at a D3,but something.
And that was where I met one ofmy teammates.
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He knew some people who hadplayed overseas, so he knew
about the overseas thing.
But for me in college it wasjust continuing to work on my
game, continuing to use thefacilities, continuing to lift
weights, which I got introducedto when I was in college, and I
just pieced together in my mindwhat do I need to do to get
better.
I knew I needed to getphysically stronger.
I need to work on know thispart of my game, this the jump
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shot, the handle, whatever Ijust did, whatever I've
logically made sense to me toimprove because at this time
what's remember is not like I'mpulling up Instagram or YouTube
to Figure out how to practicethese things didn't exist, so I
was going off of my, just mypractical knowledge.
I won't call it common sensebecause it wasn't common sense.
It was just practical,deductive reasoning as to what I
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could do to improve my game.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
That's all I did Talk to us a little bit about.
I mean cuz there there's got tobe some pretty strong mindset
here that's starting to develop,because there's a lot of kids
who, in that situation, wouldlook around and would see all of
the problems, all the reasonsthat you're a little bit behind.
(07:24):
You know you've got all thesepeople that are on your team
that are starting and you'resitting on the bench as a high
schooler and you know you'replaying at a small provisional
D3 school, like there's plentyof opportunity for you to feel
sorry for yourself, for you tomake excuses, for you to say,
(07:45):
well, I just you know I'm alittle bit behind
developmentally or I've got sucha long way to go.
Talk to us a little bit about.
You know, how does this, howdoes your mindset start
developing through these times?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Great points that you make.
There been in a couple ofthings.
Number one, I was dumb enoughto keep trying, and number two,
ben, it was actually a blessingin disguise that we didn't have
all the technology andaccessibility to each other back
then that we have now.
And the reason why is becauseof everything that you just said
because, see, at age 16 or 17,I'm sitting on the bench, not
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really playing, don't reallyhave much accomplishment, I'm
not being recruited None ofthose things that you would
think an athlete who's on a protrajectory would have.
I didn't have any of that, andmy parents not only my parents
would ship me around the AAUtournaments.
And I played a second AAUbasketball.
And had I been 16, 17 today,going through that same thing, I
would have been looking on myphone, seeing all the other
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players my age doing what I wasnot doing and figuring well,
this must be proof that I'mdoing the wrong thing.
I would have given up onbasketball and all that talent
would have went with it, or thatpotential talent would have
went with it, because it wasn'treally talent at that point.
So it was actually good that Ididn't have access to see all
the stuff that you justdescribed.
I maybe could have theorizedthat that was happening.
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And back then I mean back thenyou know, you look at magazines
and you would see the allAmerican top 100 players in the
nation in your age bracket orsomething like that, and you
would see that and I said, okay,I know I'm not on that list,
but it got to be a whole bunchmore players who were out there
that are also not on that list.
They were actually doingsomething.
So I'm in the same boat as them.
And again, you don't know whatyou don't know.
So the ignorance was actually abeautiful thing.
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Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
So, and at the same time, I wasalso.
I'm the type of person who Idon't know.
If you're familiar with the bigfive personality traits, then,
but one of them is adisagreeableness, or
agreeableness or disagreeable.
I've always been high on adisagreeable scale, meaning it
doesn't mean being a negativeperson or a nasty person.
What it means is you're a typeof person who is willing to go
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against the grain.
Also, the reason why I was only.
I was the only player on thebasketball team in the gym
working on my game outside ofteam requirements.
I was the one in the gymlifting weights.
When nobody told us to liftweights, nobody mandated that we
do it, I would always give myextra time whenever I had any to
continue to work on my game.
That's why I continued to getbetter.
So and because and also that Ihad the belief that I could go
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to a level that nothing in mypresent reality said I could go
to that level.
All of that is part of my.
That disagreeability again,which has really nothing to do
with other people, is more aboutyou looking at yourself and
your situation to saying can Isee something here, even though
nobody else sees anything here.
So for me to answer yourquestion here, in the big
picture it was the discipline ofcontinuing to work on my game.
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It was the ignorance of notknowing what I didn't know about
, what it was supposed to looklike if I was going to become
the person who played at thenext level.
And that discipline piece Ijust give credit to my parents,
who are not athletes, not evensix feet tall and 64.
Neither of my parents is evenclose to six feet.
But they taught, know thediscipline of do your chores, do
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your homework, know berespectful, know do good in
school, that kind of discipline,and they went to work every day
, even though, again, they werenot athletes.
I just took that samediscipline and I was.
That was modeled for me at homeand I applied it to the
basketball court.
Love that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So how would you, how would you maybe suggest that
coaches go about interactingwith players nowadays, who can
get on pretty quick, pretty easy, and not only can, they are
literally surrounded everysecond of the day by this clip,
that clip, this highlight reel.
How do you, how do you mayberecommend that either the
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athletes or the coaches that areworking with the athletes
handle that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well, the first thing is the player has to have a.
The player has to have aconversation with themselves
before they will listen toanything that the coach says.
I've always been a firmbeliever in that, and that's
even when I'm working withpeople who are not athletes.
There are certain things thatyou have to say to yourself
before you're going to absorbanything that I say to you.
So that means you have to havesome level of belief within
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yourself that you can actuallymake it to level a, b or C,
whatever is going to be, andthen whatever somebody says is
just going to be like Velcro isgoing to stick to what's already
in you.
But if there's no Velcro works,you need two pieces.
So if there's no Velcro in you,then there's nothing I say is
going to stick to you.
So you have to have somethingin you that actually believes
that, and I can't put that inyou.
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You got to have it, you got toshow up with that, and this is,
I would think.
I'm not a sports coach, but Iwould think most sports coaches.
They look for certain types ofplayers and this is probably
part of the formula.
Right?
Does this player have this?
And each coach has differentthings that they want, but I
would guess that every sportcoach out there is looking for
certain things and certainplayers, and if they know that
certain things are not there,doesn't matter how much talent
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or potential a player has, thatcoach might have to turn that
player down because they don'thave this.
And I can't help, I can't workwith this guy.
So you got to have a little bitof this in yourself and just
this little bit that I've wetalked about here so far been.
What I'm telling you is thatwhen I just started playing at
14 again, I didn't have anybodytake me under my wing, under
their wing.
Nobody taught me how to play.
Nobody said I see potential,when you dry, I'm going to make
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you into a player.
No, it was me going to the parkagain, outside playground court
that anyone had access to.
I was just go out there whennobody else was out there and
work on my game on my ownvolition, because I chose to.
Nobody else in the neighborhoodwas out there.
Again, what's the differencebetween me and everybody else?
Everybody knew what a court was.
Everyone knew what a playgroundwas.
Is just that I made thedecision to go out there and do
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the work when they did and whenit was in college, same thing.
Everyone had access to abeautiful facility where all the
students everyone can accessthe gym.
And again, this is not this D3,so it's not like there's a
basketball gym, there's a onegym.
I was only one in there workingon my game.
I was the one in there liftingweights.
There was something inside ofme that wanted to do that.
Any coach could have helped meget to the pro, helped me, quote
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unquote get to the pro level,because I was going to get there
, whether they helped me or not,and that was my decision.
So it starts with the personthat you're working with and
then the coaches.
Again, you can only, as theysay, the horse to the water can
make a drink.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Let's say there is a, there's a player who wants to
head in that direction.
They have, they have maybe alittle taste of okay, maybe this
is, maybe this is a possibility.
You know, on the on the fear tofaith scale, like they've moved
out of fear, maybe they're intothat doubt.
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Like you know, I'm just okay,maybe I'm just not sure this is
going to happen.
How can we help them take thatnext step kind of into believing
?
All right, yeah, yeah, I can dothis.
How do we, how do we helpdevelop that internal Velcro
that you were talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Great question.
I think it's three specifictraits that anyone has to have.
They're going to be coachedfrom where they are to where
they want to go.
There's some potential that canbe grown in them.
The three traits are beingcoachable, being committed and
willing to get uncomfortable.
You need all three.
Being coachable just means thatyou're willing to have somebody
tell you hey, here's where youcan improve, here's how this is.
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You're not doing this one quiteright.
Here's where I see a little bitof slippage.
Here.
I'm gonna hold you accountablebecause this part wasn't done
the way that I showed you how itneeds to be done.
A lot of people are simply notcoachable, even athletes, I'm
sure you know I haven't workedwith plenty of athletes and it
me and myself haven't beenteammates with a lot of athletes
, hearing from a ton of athletesbeing in, and I've been online
for so many years.
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I hear from athletes all thetime.
A lot of athletes are simplynot coachable.
They just don't want to listen.
They don't want anyone to tellthem anything.
If someone does tell themsomething, instead of taking it
as what it is, which is coaching, they take it as criticism.
And correction is not criticism.
Someone's telling you acorrection.
Hey, we need to fix this.
That's not a criticism.
And even if you take it as acriticism, you should be happy
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because someone who knows morethan you offers your criticism.
You should be glad becauseotherwise they could have said
nothing left.
You do and let you keep messingup until you get in the game
and let the opponent show youthat you messed up, and by that
point it's too late.
So being willing to acceptcoaching is number one.
Number two you got to becommitted to what you want.
If you're committed to thisgoal, you need to understand
that what you've been doing upto this point is not going to
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get you there in time for you tomake the most of the goal,
which means I'm going to pushyou this is the coach talking.
I'm going to push you to dosome things that you otherwise
probably wouldn't do, but aslong as you're committed to the
goal, then we're going to getthere.
Which means if I tell you be atthe gym at six o'clock, when I
walk in the gym at 545, youshould be there already.
I shouldn't be calling you.
You should be calling me.
If I don't call you for a weekabout working out, you should be
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calling me three days into thatweek and saying, hey, coach,
when can we work out again?
What else do I need to do?
I did everything you told me.
What's the next thing I need todo?
Someone who's highly committed.
That person you can work with.
But a person who's not committed, they're not bought in.
Then you find yourself as acoach wanting it for them more
than they want it for themselves.
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There's only so far you couldtake that person.
A person has to be in.
They have to want it.
These people are.
They are few and far between,but it doesn't mean there's not
a whole lot of them.
There's eight billion people onthe planet.
It's not everybody, but there'sa pocket of those people.
You want to look for thatcommitted type.
And the third type is a personwho's willing to get
uncomfortable.
If you're being coasted andyou're willing to and you're
committed, you're going to bepushed to be uncomfortable.
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You just have to be acceptingof that discomfort when it
happens, because all the growthin life happens outside of our
comfort zone.
So most people are familiarwith that saying or some form of
it.
You have to be willing to stepoutside of what you're used to
doing in order to get somethingthat you have not had up until
this point.
Logically, that makes perfectsense to everyone.
It's the emotional acceptanceof it that matters the most as
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to whether or not you're willingto do the things that are going
to make you uncomfortable.
So coaching, coachable,committed and willing to get
uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I love that and I feel like, as you know, coaches
that are working with highschool athletes that are
obviously not choosing orrecruiting who they have, they
kind of they have, who they have.
I think those three areas aredefinitely something that you
know is worth intentional timetalking about those, maybe
having the some of the olderathletes talk to the younger
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athletes and give some examplesof how this has helped.
I love those three points.
Let's go back to your story,dre.
So we're now.
You're now in college andyou've got dreams that you know
what my playing days aren't over.
What are those next steps looklike for you?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, first thing is in college, the first year, I
was just trying to figure outhow do I get out of here,
because I know I only had twoyears, all right.
So the first thing is I need tosomehow some way get myself
recruited, and I think it'd beuseful for the players out there
to hear how this happened.
So after my freshman year, I'mat Penn State Admington, which
is right outside of Philadelphia, and Penn State University has
23 campuses.
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So I'm at Penn State Admington.
This is the provisional D3school, only two years
eligibility.
So after my freshman year, I'mlike man I only got one more
year of basketball.
I have to somehow some wayeither play my way out of here
or something has to happen forme to get out of here.
So that summer, becauseAdmington is a commuter campus,
meaning has no dorms, noon-campus housing I'm living at
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home, still driving back andforth between school every day,
20 minutes.
So I would use the facility.
In the summertime I was nottaking classes, but I would
drive up to the campus every dayand just use the facility to
work on my game.
One random one day, randomly,I'm in the cafeteria just
getting some food before I gowork out and a random guy
approaches me.
He starts asking me questionsabout what position I play, etc.
Etc.
I don't know what this guy?
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Admington's a small campus so Iknow he's not from there.
He hands me a business card,turns out he works at Penn State
, altoona.
This is the full FLEDSfour-year division three school.
He's a recruiter, he works inthe academic office, but he also
is the basketball coach as well, because back then the
basketball coach's job wasn'teven a full-time job.
So he had just recruited me onthe spot because he later told
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me he didn't know who I was buthe thought I looked like the
kind of player he knew he neededfor his roster following year.
And then later on he went anddid his due diligence and found
out that I could actually play.
So he was guessing, so I couldhave been the biggest bum on
campus, but he recruited me onthe spot anyway.
But the whole point, the reasonI shared our story, is because
the only reason that I ran intothat guy because again he was
not planning to meet me, hewasn't even in the gym when we
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met the only reason I met thatguy is because I, on my own
volition again, was coming tothe campus every day to use the
facility because it wasavailable to me to work on my
game.
None of my teammates were there.
None of my teammates werecoming to the gym.
I had that whole gym to myselfthat whole summer because I was
working on my game.
So that's how I got recruited toPenn State Altoona where I
finished out my career, andthere one of my teammates he
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knew some guys who had playedbasketball overseas.
He and I were the only two guyson campus who would ever come
to the gym by ourselves and justpractice.
The rest of our teammates willcome to the gym.
If we said, hey, everybodycomes to the gym, we're gonna
play pickup, everybody will come.
Or if the coaches said we havepractice at four o'clock, of
course everybody comes topractice.
But it wasn't one of those twooccasions and we were.
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Somebody was just in the gym ontheir own.
It was just me and my teammate.
My teammate was Piper, who was apowerscared.
He's a coach actually to thisvery day and he and I kind of
bonded over the fact that wewere the only guys who would do
that and he said, yeah, no, guyswho play overseas.
Here's what we need to dobecause we're coming from this
school.
You know you go to these thingsit's called exposure camps and
hopefully you play pretty well,you get some footage, you get a
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scouting report and there maybeyou get an agent or a coach or a
manager or a scout.
They see you, they like yourgame and they can connect you to
people who could possibly getyou on overseas.
So he's the one who gave me theblueprint, the framework for
what we needed to do, and that'swhat I spent my college years
doing, just, of course, inaddition to the playing, but
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always working on my game andbased on where we were was in
central Pennsylvania.
There are a lot of other schoolsaround, so we would go play
pick up against the main campusguys at the state college campus
.
We go to some other D2 and D1colleges around the area.
They were all within 30, 40minutes driving, so we would go
play pick up with these guys andbuild relationships or somebody
knew somebody, maybe knew agirl, maybe you know a guy,
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maybe you had a friend, and wewould go to those campuses and
play pick up just to measure ourgames against those other
players who were allegedly aboveus, because it'll level that
they were at compared to thelevel that we were at, and I
always just had it in my mindthat I know I could play at the
pro level.
I just had to figure out how amI going to prove it?
That was the only thing I knew.
I needed to figure out how toprove it because I knew from the
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school that I went to beennobody here.
No matter what you did, itwasn't going to get you signed
to a protein based on yourperformance at school.
You were going to have to dosomething in addition, because
I've seen players who put a waybetter stats than me.
They never got a chance, theynever got a sniff.
So I knew I was going to haveto do something extra.
So that's what I just had mymind on that the whole time.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You're playing overseas.
Walk us through some of themaybe some of the lessons that
you learned throughout your nineyears there.
You know just about continuingthis work ethic, continuing to
be coachable and committed andwilling to get uncomfortable.
You know now, all of a sudden,you are playing with guys that
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are at your level.
You're not the big man oncampus or the medium fish and
the small pond, as you said.
How do you walk us through whatthose times were like?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
First thing was great to have seven footers on your
team.
When you play at the D3 levelthere are no seven footers
walking around, so our centerwas about 6'6".
So there were times I wasplaying backup center in college
, but at the pro level thatdidn't happen.
You got actual seven feet guys,so you actually have some space
on a basketball court.
But the biggest thing thatpeople need to know about best
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about playing overseas is that,especially as an American, when
you're in those countries, andespecially if you're the only
American on your roster, thateverybody is watching you at all
times and you are beingevaluated every day, even in
practice.
And I've seen American playersgo places overseas or even to,
let's say, south or CentralAmerica was technically not
overseas, but we call it alloverseas.
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You go over to one of thoseplaces and you have a bad couple
of days of practice.
They will send you home beforeyou even get a chance to play in
the game, which means is everyday you have to impress.
You're expected to impressevery single day, even in the
trainings.
Even if we go to the weightroom, even if we're practicing
it, we're outside running.
You are expected to impressbecause the vision that they
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have of you, at least at thetime that I was playing, was
that you were supposed to behead and shoulders above all the
other players because they'refrom America.
That was the mindset thatpeople had then and that meant
every day was like the game.
I started treating every day,every practice was like the game
, because that's the way thatthey're evaluating you, because
they have an expectation of youand if you don't live up to the
expectation, do you know howmany players there are in
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America waiting to take your job?
A whole bunch of them.
So every day, your job is on ornot.
So I just started to treatpractice like the game.
The other thing is, in manycountries over there most
countries over there, as amatter of fact they don't play
nearly as many games as you seein the NBA.
So people who are listening toor watching this and you're used
to watching the NBA you see theKnicks and the Lakers playing
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82 games.
In six months.
We might play half as manygames, less than half as many
games in the same amount on atime, which means all those days
when the Knicks and Lakers havegames, we have practice.
I was in Montenegro, for example.
We would practice twice a day,every day, monday through Friday
, and the games will be onSaturday.
So that's 10 practices forevery one game and you have to
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show up to those practices.
As an American, you have toshow up, but you can't win them.
I can win them playing inMontenegro.
There's a bunch of Montenegro'sand Serbians there that I can't
win them.
They're all watching me and ifI'm loafing off in practice I
might lose my job because again,I heard of players having this
happen.
So I would have some of myteammates who tried to tell me
hey, you ain't got to do allthose dunks, save your legs for
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the game.
I said I can't, you're not inthe same situation, that I'm in.
All right, I got to make sure.
Every day they're saying okay,there's a reason why we got this
guy on the roster, because I'ma bigger investment.
When you're coming from overthere, overseas, you are first
of all.
They have to pay money to bringyou there, because it costs
money to fly you from the USA tothere.
They have to put you in anapartment, they have to pay for
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your food and they have to payfor you need access to the
internet.
All of these things theyusually don't have to pay for
for the other guys.
So there's a bigger investmentto have you.
That may be in a visa or animport fee, so to bring a player
from outside of the countryinto this national league,
there's money you have to pay tohave that player on the roster
and you might be making moremoney than many of your
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teammates.
So all of these things arebigger investments for the team
to have you as an American onthe roster, which means every
day you need to make sure youare doing things to justify the
investment that they're makingin you.
They don't tell you this, butagain, I understood this stuff
by deductive reason.
I just understood it.
Okay, I know it's costing themmore money to bring me here.
I better show up every day.
I can't not play hard inpractice.
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I can't.
Again, I'm not just one of theguys on this team, so I never
carried myself like I was justone of the guys.
You might be able to blend inif you had other Americans on
roster, but the most Americans Iever had as a teammate was one.
I never had more than oneAmerican teammate and many times
I was playing I was the onlyAmerican on the team.
So I know the spotlight was onme, but I didn't mind, because I
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was always preparing myself inoff seasons for how will I be in
better shape, how will I be abetter player than everybody
else in here?
And I wanted to be obviousevery single day.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
And how does that pressure of expectation, that
expectation of success, how doesthat elevate your performance
and not become just this, thisheavy weight, this heavy
pressure that just crushes youor frustrates you?
Like, talk to us a little bitabout mindset, wise.
(27:25):
How do you show up every day,even on those days that you're
not feeling like it?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Excellent question.
We'll call that doing yourhomework.
And doing your homework meansyou prepare yourself ahead of
time for that expectation.
So when you know it's coming,what you do is you prepare
yourself in the off season.
You prepare yourself mentally,you prepare yourself physically
so that when you get there andthat gets thrown at you it's not
a burden for you.
You're actually ready for it.
You're already ready.
I knew this was coming andthere's a framework we have here
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.
We call it the third day, andthe third day is all about
showing up and giving your besteffort when you least feel like
it.
And we call it the third daybecause often when we start
things especially in sport or ifanything physical like fitness,
working out is usually aboutthat third day that the newness
has worn off, the novelty of thesituation has gone and your
body's starting to feel a littlesore and you realize that this
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thing that you signed up for isnot going to be all fun and game
.
So this is not going to be onebig party.
There's actual work involvedhere.
And am I going to show up andgive my best effort and make
sure people can see that I'm inthe position that I'm in for a
reason.
Can you keep showing up likethat on a consistent basis?
That's what the third day isabout.
And the third day is not justabout is not about at all really
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motivating yourself even thoughif you're motivated, I'm sure I
can help.
It's really about doing apreparatory work and
strategizing and having a systemfor getting yourself ready for
that challenging day before ithappens.
And this is the hallmark of theprofessional, then, is that the
professional is always preparedbefore a situation occurs, so
that they're ready for it whenit happens.
They don't get ready when thesituation occurs.
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That's what amateurs do.
So the professional does theirhomework to find out what is
going to be expected of them,and then they prepare themselves
for that expectation.
As a matter of fact, theyprepare themselves for more than
is expected of them.
So then, whatever is asked ofthem is actually easy compared
to what they prepare for.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So now, how do you take this into the business
world?
You know, at some point all ofus, as athletes, our athletic
time is going to end, at leastas a player, and we're going to
have to now transition into thereal world, the business world,
whatever you want to call it.
Talk to us about how you tookall of this and said let's now
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apply this to real life.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
So the first thing is , when I was in college I
responded to a bulletin board adthat was just advertising make
some extra money on the side inthe summer, Because I was a
college athlete before.
Named Image and Lightness wasmeant you basically have two
jobs and you're not allowed tomake any money.
So I was a broke out, let's getit.
So I responded to this ad andit happened to be this guy was
in network marketing.
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Now, while I did not build acareer in network marketing, I
did dabble in it a bit and goingto those meetings, I got
introduced to, first of all, theconcept of personal development
, which I wasn't familiar withat the time, and secondly, I got
introduced to just someconcepts of entrepreneurship
which I had not been taught,even though I have a full four
year business degree.
So in reading a book calledWrist Ad, Poor Dab by Robert
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Kiyosaki, I got introduced justto some concepts of
entrepreneurship and I kept thatin the back of my mind.
I said, when I get done playingsports because I knew what you
just said there've been sportsdoesn't last forever.
Eventually your career is goingto be over.
I want to go into the businessworld.
I didn't know how would do itor when or what I was going to
do when I got there.
But I knew I wanted to do it.
So as I started going back inthe story here, putting out
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those YouTube videos on mindset,and people who didn't play
sports started telling me hey,Dre, this applies to me as well.
And then he asked me to say tome Dre, man, you sound like a
philosopher, you sound like aprofessional speaker, and when
you talk and when you explainthese things, this stuff is just
as valuable as the basketballstuff.
I said, okay, well, when I getout, when I get done playing
basketball, maybe I can go intosome space where I just know
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talk to people and explain tothem mindset.
Maybe there's some business forthat.
I didn't know there was a suchthing as professional speaking.
I didn't know.
Nobody knew that you know,being able to put your own books
out there was going to come.
No one knew that podcastingexisted, but no one knew that it
was going to become what itbecame.
We weren't using phrases likeinfluencers and social media and
content.
None of those things existed atthe time, but they all started
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to come about around this timeduring the last half of my
career.
So we're talking 2010 to about2015.
And that's when I started tobuild these things all at the
same time.
And again, this is where Istarted building audience of
people who were not athletes butthey liked the fact that I was
an athlete because I'm comingfrom a different angle than
someone who just came from,let's say, a college classroom.
(31:51):
I was coming from the angle ofbeing an athlete and I was
taking the athlete stuff and Iwas transmuting it into the
business world and people reallyliked that and still do it to
this very day.
So that was really my segueinto it, on top of the fact that
I've always been a kind of acomputer geek, internet geek, so
always reading, always lookinginto hey, how can I take this
(32:14):
thing that I have on line?
I have this audience of peopleand I knew probably about 2009
then that whatever I was doingonline was going to be bigger
than what I did in basketball.
And I mean, that's pretty muchhow it turned out, because even
these days, I spent nine yearsas a professional athlete.
But if I go to the mall andsomebody recognizes me, 99% of
the time is from YouTube.
(32:35):
It's not because they know thatI played basketball overseas.
Americans don't watchbasketball overseas, so just
because you played, nobody knows.
They know because you told them, but it's not like they saw you
playing.
People know me from theinternet, so what I was doing
online has always been biggerthan what I did as a pro athlete
.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
And, as we kind of start to wrap up here, talk us
through what you're doing now.
Talk us through, maybe, whoyou're working with, some of the
big lessons that you'reteaching, or update us with,
kind of today.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Our main focus these days is working on your game
university.
That's the place where we doall our high level coaching,
consulting, training, speakingall of our programs and there
we're working with high levelprofessionals, high level
performers or people who want toget into that top 2% at what
they do, and we work with peoplefrom a very eclectic range.
So we have doctors, we havepeople in the health space,
(33:30):
people with storefronts, offlinebusinesses, people in online
businesses.
Of course, you have some peoplewho are in my same lane maybe
they're former athletes who arenow moving into the thought
leadership space, such as doingcoaching and speaking and
writing books but we have peoplefrom so many different
backgrounds because theprinciples of what I extracted
from the sports world andapplied to the business world,
(33:51):
those principles apply acrossthe board.
See, the thing about principlesis that they apply no matter
where you take them, and Iunderstand the principles of
business as well because I'vebecome a student of
entrepreneurship, marketing,sales, leadership, communication
skills.
The principles that I've takenfrom those things apply in any
business, to any type of person.
So this is why people often askme well, Jerry, who's the main
(34:13):
type of industry that you workwith?
Well, there isn't one.
I just told you all thesedifferent types of people we
work with for a reason becauseour principles apply across the
board in what we do.
And my superpower amongst allthe stuff that we talked about
here, then my superpower isinsight, and insight is the
ability to look at information,interpret it, discern what
(34:33):
matters, what doesn't matter,separate the most important
pieces that this person needsfrom what they don't need, and
then help them to apply it.
That is my superpower, and it'sthe same thing that I use in
sports.
It's the same thing that I usenow.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I love that, and one of the final questions I always
like to ask guests is knowingwhat you know.
Now, if you were to go back andtell yourself something as an
athlete, what would that maybeone big piece of advice be?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well it would be everything.
But if I had to pick one, itwould be mastering that concept
of the third day, which Istarted to figure out once I was
in the pros, because it wasliterally the life or death of
your career whether you couldshow up every day or not.
And I think if I had understoodthat better as a college
athlete, maybe even a highschool athlete, I probably would
(35:21):
have had a better amateurcareer than I did.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Love that Well.
Thank you so much for joiningus today, dre.
It's been wonderful having youon the show.
If people want to get ahold ofyou, what's the easiest way to
do that?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Easiest way is that whole concept of the third day.
I'll give people a free copy ofthat book.
Can I share it?
Yeah, absolutely Sure.
So if we're on video, here'sthe book right here, called the
Third Day, the decision toseparate the pros from the
amateurs Literally what I'vejust described.
So I'll give you a book freepaperback version.
All we ask that you're coveredwith shipping.
Just go to thirddaybookcomBooks free, just cover the
(35:56):
shipping, and once you do that,you'll be on our email list and
you'll find out very quickly ouremail every single day.
So you'll be in the emailsevery day.
I still write a ton every dayonce you get this book.
As far as anything else socialmedia is, I'm on every single
one of them.
So whichever one you like touse the most is with my name up.
I am the hardest person to notfinalize Everything's public and
(36:17):
then work on your gameuniversitycom.
So we do all our coaching.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Thanks for tuning into the Coaching Minds podcast.
If you found value in today'sepisode, would love for you to
share it with a friend or afellow coach that might benefit
from our discussions.
If you're curious about takingyour team's mental game to the
next level, don't forget tocheck out mtpacademy.
And until next time, make yourplan and put it to work.
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