December 5, 2024 • 28 mins
Eddie's journey from the basketball court to the world of financial services and broadcasting offers a compelling narrative of resilience and adaptation. Formerly with the Indiana Pacers, Eddie shares how basketball provided solace following the loss of his father and became a driving passion that shaped his early life. Through candid reflections on high school and college experiences, listeners gain insights into the mental challenges he overcame, such as adjusting to new environments and maintaining performance under pressure. Eddie's story highlights the crucial role of self-confidence built through dedication and repetition, offering valuable lessons on mental strength in sports.
Athletic careers often obscure the emotional struggles beneath the surface, and Eddie's experiences shed light on this rarely discussed aspect. He opens up about the pressure to appear strong, especially when siblings look to you for guidance, and the disappointment of not being drafted despite high expectations. His narrative underscores the importance of mental health awareness and the resilience needed to overcome setbacks. Eddie's journey is a powerful reminder that challenges and failures are part of the growth process, integral to achieving long-term goals.
We also explore Eddie's professional basketball career, marked by highs and turbulent events like the "Malice at the Palace." His reflections on that infamous night provide a firsthand account of its impact on personal and team dynamics. Beyond basketball, Eddie's pursuit of an MBA brings lessons that continue to influence his life and career. His dedication to giving back is evident through initiatives like his basketball camp, aimed at helping young people navigate their own challenges. For anyone facing life's ups and downs, Eddie offers sage advice: build a supportive network and collaborate to share wisdom and experiences.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, welcome to Coaching Minds Podcast, the
official podcast of MentalTraining Plan.
Our mission is to empowercoaches with the tools and
insights needed to develop themental side of the game and
their athletes both on and offthe field.
We believe in deliberateplanning and execution, because
just hoping you're going to beat your best when it matters the
(00:21):
most is not a great strategy.
Today, joined by a very specialguest, eddie, thank you so much
for joining us today.
It's a pleasure.
Thank you for having me.
So I know everyone in centralIndiana, and certainly in the
basketball world, knows exactlywho you are.
For the cyclists we havelistening out on the East Coast
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and our rodeo gals out West, whoprobably have no idea who you
are, can you give us just aquick intro, some background,
about what you're up to thesedays?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, there's far more who don't know actually in
Central Indiana, but yeah.
So I played professionalbasketball for 12 years.
Two of those years were withthe Indiana Pacers and now I've
been fortunate enough to havesome opportunities to broadcast
work with them over the lastnine years or so.
Obviously, I've been in thefinancial services industry for
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about 10-plus years now andcurrently with Invest in that
capacity and I tell peoplethat's my real job, and when you
see me on TV talking aboutbasketball, I'm just talking
about basketball.
I love it.
So I thoroughly enjoy that.
But yeah, grew up in Denver,colorado.
I was actually born in NewJersey, moved to Denver in grade
school and really just fell inlove with the game of basketball
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and to this day it's the giftthat keeps on giving.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you know, obviously our podcast focuses on
the mental side of the game andI know that you know that
that's something that youbelieve in as well.
Take us, maybe I want to justkind of go back to your high
school days or, you know, whenyou were, when you were a
younger player.
Tell us, were there anystruggles on the mental side of
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the game?
Was there any, any lessons youhad to learn?
Any coaches that came alongsideand said, hey, here's some
tools?
Or was it just kind of throwninto the deep end, figure it out
?
Yeah, a little bit of both.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I guess I'll rewind a little bit past that.
So I lost my father at an earlyage as a kid.
One thing he did he put abasketball in my hands and I
just absolutely fell in lovewith the game.
So the game itself, along withfootball.
I actually played moreorganized football as a kid than
I did organized basketball, butthe game itself would turned
out to be therapy for me.
Right, it was.
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It was a place of enjoyment, itwas a place of joy, even though
there were times where it washard and you know significant
struggles and challenges,whether it was middle school,
high school, trying to make ateam and shirt and all those
kind of things.
I wasn't one of these kids whowas afforded a ton of
opportunity to play, you knowaau basketball and all these
different camps, because mymother just didn't have the
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means to put me through allthose types of things, yeah, um,
but ultimately it was a placeof, again, of solitude, but
understanding again, there aresome challenges with that and at
each level those challenges geta little bit steeper.
So it was kind of a notnecessarily a quandary, but it
was on both sides of thespectrum, I would say, in terms
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of the challenges, but also aplace of peace and harmony for
me.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Started off your college careerat Eastern Utah.
Tell us a little bit about okay, now that you're maybe taking
this next step, what challengesappear for you, specifically in
the mental side of the game.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, so I started off with the junior college
route initially, College ofEastern Utah is where I started
but ultimately going from beinga quote-unquote city kid and
then going into a very smalltown in the middle of nowhere
Utah and just being able toadapt to a different culture,
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different surroundings, not awhole lot going on.
Not a whole lot of I shouldn'tsay a whole lot going on, but
just not a whole lot of accessto everything that you're privy
to and have access to in a city,Sure Away from family, and that
kind of thing.
So there were significantchallenges there when you have
that type of almost a cultureshock to some degree.
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So having that trying tobalance classes and then being
able to go and trying to earn usnot only earn the spot on the
team, which I effectively had,but being able to find a way to
get inside the rotation, stay inthe rotation it was a very
different coaching style thatwas there than what I had had a
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crone accustomed to in highschool, and so all of those
types of things definitely hadan impact on the middle state.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, so then played at Salt Lake Community College,
ultimately ended up at WeberState.
And now here you are, you guysgo 25-8.
Seeing some success.
You got some individualaccolades that year as well.
Tell us a little bit aboutmaybe.
What was that transfer process?
(05:08):
Look like, that change, whatmaybe happened through those
years?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I think you know one thing that was good for
me is I've always had anunwavering self-confidence about
what I'm able to do in anyscenario once I've put the work
in right.
I think with work andrepetition becomes confidence.
So understand that I was ableto get that done and then be
able to get to that level.
I felt really confident aboutit.
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But there's also something tobe said about you know once
you've had a certain level ofsuccess and you've done
something to a certain level,now there becomes an expectation
that you continue to bring itback and do it again and then
take that to another level.
So there's challenges with thatunderstanding that there's
certain work that has to be donein order to achieve that same
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success or actually take itanother level beyond Right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So you talked about an unwavering confidence.
What about, maybe, the timeswhere you came up short, the
times where maybe you hadn't putenough work, in, the times
where you said, all right, thispart of my game has to be better
?
What did that look like, as youkind of went back into the gym
or went back to the lab tryingto figure some things out?
(06:21):
Yeah, so about that?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
self-reflection right .
When you're not able to reachthat level of success, and then
some of the humanity of it alland people around you, whether
it's family friends sometimesthe blame thing creeps in right
when you want.
There's someone else's fault.
It can't be me, right?
I'm a perfect being, so itcan't be me.
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It must be someone else's fault.
And I quickly learned that thatwas going to get me nowhere
fast.
And there's some self growththere that has to take place and
the challenges from a mentalstate, just being able to
understand that it's not alwayssomeone else's fault.
More often than not, if you'reable to do the mess, the things
required, you will have someopportunity for some success.
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And then there's other timesthis is a piece of it.
From a mental standpoint, youcan do literally everything
right, Put all the time andeffort and energy, and it's
still not yield the result thatyou're trying to find out.
Then what do you do with that?
That's when it really can setin and cause some angst and some
pain there.
So just being able to navigatethose different spaces were
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critical for me.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, and I know you know we.
What year did you graduate highschool?
Ninety six, ninety six, ok, soyou and I.
You and I were pretty close inage and I know Kirk Herbstreit
has talked before on CollegeGame Day about how when he was
playing at Ohio State and hewent in to see this sports
psychologist, he kind of lookedover his shoulder to make sure
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nobody saw him walking into theoffice.
We didn't play at a time where,you know, there was a sports
psychologist on every staff andit was easy to train the mental
side of the game.
Those resources weren't there.
In the times that you foundyourself struggling, what'd you
do?
Where'd you go?
Who'd you kind of lean on,maybe in those moments?
Yeah, that's a difficult one.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Um, you know, in the absence of my father, as I
mentioned, um, I did have oldercousins who kind of helped, kind
of to groom me and I would beable to go to, but, um, and this
is not healthy at all, I do.
I do not recommend this foranyone.
I really internalized a lot ofthings, just dealt with it on my
own.
That's just been my humannature.
My mother will tell you she'stried to get it out of me quite
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a bit.
She understands that that's nota healthy way to maneuver and
it's just been something thatI've done since I was a little
kid and so I didn't necessarilygo to many people in terms of
having some conversation because, as you mentioned, you know, in
this day and age there's a lotof resources.
There's, you know, some somededicated resources in a lot of
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these different programs.
You know, even going down tothe high school and middle
school level, there's surethere's, there's programs
available, and even yours inparticular.
You know there's just it, justit just wasn't available, right,
and then, as these thingsstarted to become a little bit
more and more readily available,you still have those instances,
like Kirk Herbstube isreferencing, where it's like
there's a stigma, like I don'twant anyone to know that I'm
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dealing with something.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
But what I am cautiously optimistic about is
there are a number ofhigh-profile athletes that have
both come out and acknowledgedthe fact that there's some
mental challenges along withlife lessons in all, in all,
sports yeah, and I I lovehearing the well, I just
internalized it because it'slike, well, yeah, me too, or I,
you know, went home and got onmy dial-up internet to see what
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I could figure out, what I couldfind, but sort of just
wandering through a dark hallwayjust trying to grab at things,
reach for things, try things,get help, you know, maybe from
older cousins, older siblings,um, and I think I think it's
important that we get thatmessage out there, that you know
other people are struggling onthe mental side of the game too,
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and it's not like there'ssomething wrong with you if
you're a high school basketballplayer, college basketball
player and you're strugglingwith some of that, and just like
you know, there's nothing wrongwith going to.
We wouldn't think twice aboutgoing to PT.
We wouldn't think twice aboutgoing to the trainer, wouldn't
think twice about having, youknow, a strength and
conditioning coach help us takecare of our body physically.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you know why why is that stigma there on the
mental side of the game?
Yeah, it's.
It's definitely a.
I didn't um for me personally,um, at the time.
So I have a younger brother whoI'm nine years older than so I
quickly became his father figure, sure?
So there was.
There was moments for mepersonally where I felt like I'm
sure there's many people outthere who feel this way, where
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you feel like, well, I can'tshow any sort of vulnerability,
I can't show any form ofquote-unquote weakness, um,
because you know, I have alittle brother who's looking up
to me, who I have to remainquote-unquote strong for um.
So those are things that I andit just was second nature for me
.
I never, I never even gave it asecond thought.
I was like I got to powerthrough this, I got to continue
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to do this.
It just never even crossed mymind that I needed to succumb to
the challenges or I needed toseek some guidance or
conversation or that kind ofthing?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Sure, yeah.
So here you are.
You're coming out of WeberState, just had some personal
success.
You've got dreams andaspirations.
I'm sure to continue on.
Draft day comes around.
You don't get drafted and nowit's kind of this decision of
all right, well, what do we gotnext?
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How do I still now go reach forthese goals?
What did that look like fromthe time of the draft until you
started that professional career?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, I guess you know, shame on me.
I should have mentioned this.
The first day of school, withmy junior college, I met my soon
to be wife.
Ok, so she was always in mycorner in terms of like, but
she's my wife, so she's alwayslike it's going to be OK.
This will be, you know, allthose those types supportive
things that I needed to help meget through.
(12:17):
And when you just referenceddraft day, because we had a
draft party at her parents'house at the time and who have
always been incrediblysupportive, along with my mother
, obviously, but they hostedthis draft party.
We had a bunch of people cometo it.
I was projected first to thesecond round.
(12:38):
Uh, drafted, I don't get drafted.
Um, in that moment I walk outof the house, I walk down the
street, I cry like a baby andthen I'm like, hey, I gotta pick
myself up somehow.
Yeah, um, and try to figure outa way, because I, you know, I
had supreme self again,self-belief and self-confidence
of what I, what I couldpotentially do.
But not getting drafted wasreally, you know, a really a
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hard blow to the system.
Um, but again it was.
It was a form of a life lessonfor me.
Hey, just some adverse moments.
How do I get through this right?
And again, I was.
She was incredibly supportive,you know, from day one,
throughout my career, before weeven thought that the NBA was
reality.
So, again, just being able togo back, get back to it like, ok
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, well, this isn't the end of mystory, you know, and that was
just the mental fortitude that Ihad in that moment.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So what did that look like?
I just need to work harder, didthat?
I mean?
How long was the?
There was obviously anemotional reaction to it.
You're obviously upset.
There's some disappointment.
There's maybe some wrestlingwith.
You know, I thought I was goodenough.
Why didn't other people think Iwas good enough?
How long did maybe kind of thatnegativity last?
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And then how long till you sayyou know what it's time to go
back to work.
It's time to do like you saidbefore, what's required so that
I have that confidence to keepplaying.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, that self-pity and self-doubt was short-lived.
If I'm being completely honest,it really only pissed me off
more and just lit a fire evenmore.
So I had plenty of healthyconversations with my agent
about, you know, potentialopportunities down the road.
But again throughout my entirecareer there were times where
teams ultimately said no and Ijust had to continue to go
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through and power through thatfor 12 years.
But in that moment it justreally made me work even harder
and at that point it was again.
The competition in me made mewant to not only prove myself
right but prove doubters wrong.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So you know, now, here you are.
You're on the cusp of this 12year professional career and now
we're well beyond high schoolbasketball, where you know
there's a lot of committedpeople.
We're well beyond you know yougo to college where that's made
up of all the best of the besthigh school players.
Now let's take the best, allthe best of the best high school
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players.
Now let's take the best of thebest of the best in the world,
and that's who you're competingagainst every day.
That's who you're battling fora starting spot against every
day.
What did that look like?
Maybe some lessons that youlearned throughout that career
about what it continues to taketo show up and prepare like a
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professional day in and day out,knowing that at any point, if
you can't live up to theexpectations, you're out.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I mean, it was, um, it was an incredible life
lesson for me about competition,Um, and and what, what that
really all entails.
And sometimes it entails thingsthat don't necessarily go on
with what's happening actuallyon the court itself.
Right, sometimes there'sespecially when you get to
professional leagues there'sdecisions being made that have
nothing to do with basketball,that maybe it's a business
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decision, or it's just not thetime, or whatever the case may
be.
Or you know, maybe to yourpoint, you know, maybe you
haven't, you know you haven'tfit the bill.
Just, bottom line is, someoneelse is better and has that
opportunity to take advantage ofit, and they've been able to to
to take advantage of thatopportunity.
The organization or themanagement or wherever it may be
, it's given that individualthat, that, that opportunity.
(16:11):
But for me personally, again, I,I, I've always had something
that's talked about theunwavering I'll call it
irrational confidence.
Right, there was times where,for example, I'm going to guard
Allen Iverson, my cousin's, like, hey, what are you going to do?
You got Allen Iverson tomorrownight.
Well, guess what?
He's got me tomorrow night too.
That was my mind, and again,most people would be like, yeah,
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you're an idiot, but in my mind, no, absolutely not.
There's something that has tobe said about self-belief and
what that means, because none ofus can have any sort of level
of success if we don'tnecessarily believe in ourselves
with the utmost confidence.
But again, that doesn't meanthat things weren't hard.
That doesn't mean that I didn'tget cut multiple times.
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That didn't mean I didn't haveto go overseas and then come
back and get back in the NBA.
All those things happened to methroughout my 12-year
professional basketball anddefinitely had those challenges
and some small moments of likeis this for me or not?
I would say that those momentswere short-lived.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, were there times where, maybe after a game,
maybe after a time that youdidn't play your best or, you
know, maybe after you got cut oryou heard no for a second,
third, fourth time, were theretimes that you doubted.
Along the way, like you know,I've had this irrational
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confidence, but maybe I'm notgood enough in this situation.
Were there any times that youstruggled with that.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I never thought that there was a time where I said to
myself, hey, I'm not goodenough for this particular
moment or this particularsituation.
I did always, just maybe withsubconsciously or consciously I
would always dedicate myself tothe work in the gym.
Now you know what type of workI'm putting in and what
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particular skills and all thosethings would change as far as
that.
I'm working on that kind ofthing, but I would always
dedicate myself to the work.
I never wanted to go into, like, for example, a training camp
for example, and be out of shape.
That was just a mind-blowingthing If someone came into camp
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and they weren't in shape, thatjust.
And then, when I became kind ofthe veteran in the locker room
I would talk to young guys about, hey, don't be the reason,
don't give them a reason to tocut you, don't give them a
reason to you know whether it'sbeing late or you know not
putting in the actual work oryou know not listening.
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Some of the things that we cancontrol, right, sure, you know
makes and misses and mistakesthose types of things on a court
will happen.
But things that we can controlis the work that we put in
showing up on time showing upearly, staying a little bit
later, uh, studying untilsessions, those types of things,
but um, but being able to doall those things again we're,
we're a challenge, and at theyou know, at the time I was
raising the family as a young,young man and um, and and so
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there's definitely, uh, you know, life lessons in all of that,
but definitely some challengesas well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So 20 years ago 20 years and a couple of days you
know one of the one of thewildest times that I can
remember as a Pacer fan.
Malice at the palace occurs.
Take us back to you.
Know you're, you're there,you're not just watching this on
TV.
Take us through, maybe, whatall happened, what that was like
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.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned the patient's history.
That's probably one of the mostwildest experiences in all
professional sports.
Yeah, we're in Detroit, I'mactually in the game when this
all breaks out, but ultimatelythere's a foul committed.
You know typical NBA scuffleGuys.
You know exchanging somepleasantries and then before you
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know it, you know there'ssomething comes flying out of
the stands.
We have a teammate of mine goesinto the stands, another
teammate goes into the stands, Igo into the stands, I'm going
into the stands as a peacemaker.
I'm like, hey, we got to getout of here because it turns
into an absolute melee.
Sure, there's a lot of footageout there via youtube, um, but
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you know, and then at that pointit's just sheer chaos.
Right, it's just sheer chaos.
And you know we go to survivalmode and it, um, it just it just
snowballs into into a completemelee.
So, um, extremely unfortunatesituation.
Uh, hate that it happened,especially for that team.
That team was showing realpromise as to what the potential
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was, what we could actuallyaccomplish throughout that
through the course of thatseason.
Clearly it derailed a varietyof things for a number of
players on that team, not justan opportunity to go and compete
for a championship, but Igenuinely believe we could have.
But it definitely had asignificant impact on a number
of guys' careers.
The next night we come backhere to the field house and play
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a game against Orlando Magicwhere we only had six guys
available.
That was an interestingexperience.
I ended up playing all 48minutes in that game because
actually the previous nightbefore we had already had four
or five guys out.
So that was an interestingexperience.
I ended up playing all 48minutes in that game Because
actually the previous nightbefore we had already had four
or five guys out with injury,and then there's some
suspensions, so now we only havesix guys in uniform.
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So the remainder of that seasonwas major patchwork and just
trying to get to the finish line.
But wow, it was a wild one.
You talk about the mental stateof just trying to stay focused
on the task and just kind ofpick the pieces up.
It was a major one.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
What were the?
What were?
As you look back on that, maybesome of the, the successes from
a.
You know I'm thinking, allright, if this happens to my
team.
We got to get focused on thethings that we can control.
We got to figure out, like,what's important now.
We got to get dialed back intothis present moment.
We got to, you know, drown outsome of the exterior noise
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that's out there.
You know, social media notreally as much of a buzz at the
time, but I mean it's all overSportsCenter ESPN, every talk
radio, over SportsCenter ESPN,every talk radio.
So we got to, you know, not gettoo dialed in on that.
And now we have to focus onthis new task at hand, this new
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day, with the constant reminderthat we have one sub on the
bench and you know this is there.
There's all kinds of now,adversity that's come out as you
, as you think back to that.
What were some of the successeswhere the coaching staff did a
good job of kind of redirecting?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I think the operative word you use a number
of times is focus.
Right, you had to haveunwavering laser focus because
here's what the NBA and theywere starting to not do.
They didn't say, hey, we'regoing to pause the schedule for
you guys, let you guys sort thisthing out, try to get your team
collected.
And you know, reassemble.
You know whoever you need toassemble to put a roster
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together and field out the restof the season.
They didn't do that for us, sowe just had to make it happen.
I mean, you know, in NBA gamesNBA season there's three, four
games a week, sometimes more.
So the games were coming fast.
Again, I referenced it the verynext night we had to play a
game.
So we're literally just pickingpeople up off the street to
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fill the roster for those nextcouple weeks to try to get a
team together to which we can goout and compete.
So it really taught me a lessonof you've got to figure out a
way to try to compartmentalizewhat's going on and stay locked
into the task at hand, because,again, my career is on the line.
I got to figure out a way to goout here and play with some
level of effectiveness to try toget a job for the next season,
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whether it's with the patientsor otherwise, yep, and
understanding that it was.
You know it was.
It was a job for the nextseason, whether it was with the
patients or otherwise, yep, andunderstanding that it was a task
for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Any other as you think back on your MBA career
any other times, or any otherlessons that were learned that
really stood out to you andmaybe continue to make an impact
on you, either personally, as ahusband or father, or
professionally with what you'redoing now.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, I would say just the ups and downs, and just
trying to keep a level and calmdisposition right, not to get
too emotionally high, not to gettoo emotionally low, because
that's the game of life.
I truly believe in sports, notonly just professional.
I feel like I learned some ofthese lessons as a kid.
You don't have to be aprofessional athlete to learn
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some of these lessons, but therewere a number of instances
where there were again just upsand downs throughout that
process, where you just had totry to stay even-keeled because
you never knew what that nextmoment was going to be.
And if you're chasing downemotions the whole time, it's
going to be a long ride.
Sure, absolutely, but stillhave a passion about what you're
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doing.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, so talk to us a little bit now.
How have you taken this intothe real world?
I know we had a conversationabout the basketball camp that
you have, where you know kind ofa a passion to make a
difference in the lives ofpeople that you know are are
struggling with some things.
Whether that's it you knowtheir, their own personal life,
or you know life circumstanceswhat are, what are some of the
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ways that that you now try andgive back to the, the next
generation that's coming upthrough the game of basketball?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
yeah, I mean, I'll even take a page out of our
invest book here.
We believe in educated guidedcounsel, right, so we're able to
do that and use it as a servicecomponent to people.
That's rewarding for me and youknow, throughout my collegiate
career, professional career, wealways had different initiatives
where we go out into thecommunity and work with kids or
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work with a group of people justtrying to teach them the game.
That was always a rewardingthing to me, just being of
service to people.
But one of the main reasons whyI got into this industry as
well just being able to providea service and teach people and
guide people and do some thingsto where they may not know we're
available to them.
And you referenced, like youknow, even in camps, like it's
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great to see the progressionwhen you have a kid come in and
you meet him where he is or sheis, and then you know days later
after work or weeks later afterwork to see that progress that
they've made.
And again, the same thingwithin the financial services
industry.
We would think you know, startwith someone day one and see
what type of progress they canmake over time.
That's where the reward is forme.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, and then just a last piece, last question.
We always like to ask ourguests, knowing what you know.
Now, if you could go back andgive a younger high school
version of yourself one piece ofadvice, what would that be?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, oh wow, that would be.
Um, establish a network, um.
Again, I talked to the point.
I talked to the point about me,um, internalizing kind of keep
it to myself and make it andjust like, hey, I got this.
You know, you know I'm big,strong bad guy, you know, I'll
take care of all this on my own,I don't't need any support.
That is not the way to get itdone.
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I truly believe now in my oldage, we can do far more together
than we can apart.
So I would say, encourage myyounger self to just establish a
network of good people to bearound, to educate you, to
provide some wisdom, providesome of their experiences and
their knowledge and just lean onthat right and just try to find
(27:42):
people that you trust, buildrapport with and you feel good
about.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Love that Well, eddie , thank you so much for your
time today.
It's been awesome having you onthe show, really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
It's my pleasure.
If you've got questions orwould like to learn a little bit
more about the MTP Academy,check out mentaltrainingplancom.
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Hey, welcome to Coaching Minds Podcast, the
official podcast of MentalTraining Plan.
Our mission is to empowercoaches with the tools and
insights needed to develop themental side of the game and
their athletes both on and offthe field.
We believe in deliberateplanning and execution, because
just hoping you're going to beat your best when it matters the
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most is not a great strategy.
Today, joined by a very specialguest, eddie, thank you so much
for joining us today.
It's a pleasure.
Thank you for having me.
So I know everyone in centralIndiana, and certainly in the
basketball world, knows exactlywho you are.
For the cyclists we havelistening out on the East Coast
(00:41):
and our rodeo gals out West, whoprobably have no idea who you
are, can you give us just aquick intro, some background,
about what you're up to thesedays?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, there's far more who don't know actually in
Central Indiana, but yeah.
So I played professionalbasketball for 12 years.
Two of those years were withthe Indiana Pacers and now I've
been fortunate enough to havesome opportunities to broadcast
work with them over the lastnine years or so.
Obviously, I've been in thefinancial services industry for
(01:12):
about 10-plus years now andcurrently with Invest in that
capacity and I tell peoplethat's my real job, and when you
see me on TV talking aboutbasketball, I'm just talking
about basketball.
I love it.
So I thoroughly enjoy that.
But yeah, grew up in Denver,colorado.
I was actually born in NewJersey, moved to Denver in grade
school and really just fell inlove with the game of basketball
(01:34):
and to this day it's the giftthat keeps on giving.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you know, obviously our podcast focuses on
the mental side of the game andI know that you know that
that's something that youbelieve in as well.
Take us, maybe I want to justkind of go back to your high
school days or, you know, whenyou were, when you were a
younger player.
Tell us, were there anystruggles on the mental side of
(01:58):
the game?
Was there any, any lessons youhad to learn?
Any coaches that came alongsideand said, hey, here's some
tools?
Or was it just kind of throwninto the deep end, figure it out
?
Yeah, a little bit of both.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I guess I'll rewind a little bit past that.
So I lost my father at an earlyage as a kid.
One thing he did he put abasketball in my hands and I
just absolutely fell in lovewith the game.
So the game itself, along withfootball.
I actually played moreorganized football as a kid than
I did organized basketball, butthe game itself would turned
out to be therapy for me.
Right, it was.
(02:33):
It was a place of enjoyment, itwas a place of joy, even though
there were times where it washard and you know significant
struggles and challenges,whether it was middle school,
high school, trying to make ateam and shirt and all those
kind of things.
I wasn't one of these kids whowas afforded a ton of
opportunity to play, you knowaau basketball and all these
different camps, because mymother just didn't have the
(02:54):
means to put me through allthose types of things, yeah, um,
but ultimately it was a placeof, again, of solitude, but
understanding again, there aresome challenges with that and at
each level those challenges geta little bit steeper.
So it was kind of a notnecessarily a quandary, but it
was on both sides of thespectrum, I would say, in terms
(03:14):
of the challenges, but also aplace of peace and harmony for
me.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Started off your college careerat Eastern Utah.
Tell us a little bit about okay, now that you're maybe taking
this next step, what challengesappear for you, specifically in
the mental side of the game.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, so I started off with the junior college
route initially, College ofEastern Utah is where I started
but ultimately going from beinga quote-unquote city kid and
then going into a very smalltown in the middle of nowhere
Utah and just being able toadapt to a different culture,
(03:55):
different surroundings, not awhole lot going on.
Not a whole lot of I shouldn'tsay a whole lot going on, but
just not a whole lot of accessto everything that you're privy
to and have access to in a city,Sure Away from family, and that
kind of thing.
So there were significantchallenges there when you have
that type of almost a cultureshock to some degree.
(04:16):
So having that trying tobalance classes and then being
able to go and trying to earn usnot only earn the spot on the
team, which I effectively had,but being able to find a way to
get inside the rotation, stay inthe rotation it was a very
different coaching style thatwas there than what I had had a
(04:39):
crone accustomed to in highschool, and so all of those
types of things definitely hadan impact on the middle state.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, so then played at Salt Lake Community College,
ultimately ended up at WeberState.
And now here you are, you guysgo 25-8.
Seeing some success.
You got some individualaccolades that year as well.
Tell us a little bit aboutmaybe.
What was that transfer process?
(05:08):
Look like, that change, whatmaybe happened through those
years?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I think you know one thing that was good for
me is I've always had anunwavering self-confidence about
what I'm able to do in anyscenario once I've put the work
in right.
I think with work andrepetition becomes confidence.
So understand that I was ableto get that done and then be
able to get to that level.
I felt really confident aboutit.
(05:35):
But there's also something tobe said about you know once
you've had a certain level ofsuccess and you've done
something to a certain level,now there becomes an expectation
that you continue to bring itback and do it again and then
take that to another level.
So there's challenges with thatunderstanding that there's
certain work that has to be donein order to achieve that same
(05:57):
success or actually take itanother level beyond Right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So you talked about an unwavering confidence.
What about, maybe, the timeswhere you came up short, the
times where maybe you hadn't putenough work, in, the times
where you said, all right, thispart of my game has to be better
?
What did that look like, as youkind of went back into the gym
or went back to the lab tryingto figure some things out?
(06:21):
Yeah, so about that?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
self-reflection right .
When you're not able to reachthat level of success, and then
some of the humanity of it alland people around you, whether
it's family friends sometimesthe blame thing creeps in right
when you want.
There's someone else's fault.
It can't be me, right?
I'm a perfect being, so itcan't be me.
(06:45):
It must be someone else's fault.
And I quickly learned that thatwas going to get me nowhere
fast.
And there's some self growththere that has to take place and
the challenges from a mentalstate, just being able to
understand that it's not alwayssomeone else's fault.
More often than not, if you'reable to do the mess, the things
required, you will have someopportunity for some success.
(07:07):
And then there's other timesthis is a piece of it.
From a mental standpoint, youcan do literally everything
right, Put all the time andeffort and energy, and it's
still not yield the result thatyou're trying to find out.
Then what do you do with that?
That's when it really can setin and cause some angst and some
pain there.
So just being able to navigatethose different spaces were
(07:31):
critical for me.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, and I know you know we.
What year did you graduate highschool?
Ninety six, ninety six, ok, soyou and I.
You and I were pretty close inage and I know Kirk Herbstreit
has talked before on CollegeGame Day about how when he was
playing at Ohio State and hewent in to see this sports
psychologist, he kind of lookedover his shoulder to make sure
(07:54):
nobody saw him walking into theoffice.
We didn't play at a time where,you know, there was a sports
psychologist on every staff andit was easy to train the mental
side of the game.
Those resources weren't there.
In the times that you foundyourself struggling, what'd you
do?
Where'd you go?
Who'd you kind of lean on,maybe in those moments?
Yeah, that's a difficult one.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Um, you know, in the absence of my father, as I
mentioned, um, I did have oldercousins who kind of helped, kind
of to groom me and I would beable to go to, but, um, and this
is not healthy at all, I do.
I do not recommend this foranyone.
I really internalized a lot ofthings, just dealt with it on my
own.
That's just been my humannature.
My mother will tell you she'stried to get it out of me quite
(08:39):
a bit.
She understands that that's nota healthy way to maneuver and
it's just been something thatI've done since I was a little
kid and so I didn't necessarilygo to many people in terms of
having some conversation because, as you mentioned, you know, in
this day and age there's a lotof resources.
There's, you know, some somededicated resources in a lot of
(08:59):
these different programs.
You know, even going down tothe high school and middle
school level, there's surethere's, there's programs
available, and even yours inparticular.
You know there's just it, justit just wasn't available, right,
and then, as these thingsstarted to become a little bit
more and more readily available,you still have those instances,
like Kirk Herbstube isreferencing, where it's like
there's a stigma, like I don'twant anyone to know that I'm
(09:22):
dealing with something.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
But what I am cautiously optimistic about is
there are a number ofhigh-profile athletes that have
both come out and acknowledgedthe fact that there's some
mental challenges along withlife lessons in all, in all,
sports yeah, and I I lovehearing the well, I just
internalized it because it'slike, well, yeah, me too, or I,
you know, went home and got onmy dial-up internet to see what
(09:47):
I could figure out, what I couldfind, but sort of just
wandering through a dark hallwayjust trying to grab at things,
reach for things, try things,get help, you know, maybe from
older cousins, older siblings,um, and I think I think it's
important that we get thatmessage out there, that you know
other people are struggling onthe mental side of the game too,
(10:09):
and it's not like there'ssomething wrong with you if
you're a high school basketballplayer, college basketball
player and you're strugglingwith some of that, and just like
you know, there's nothing wrongwith going to.
We wouldn't think twice aboutgoing to PT.
We wouldn't think twice aboutgoing to the trainer, wouldn't
think twice about having, youknow, a strength and
conditioning coach help us takecare of our body physically.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you know why why is that stigma there on the
mental side of the game?
Yeah, it's.
It's definitely a.
I didn't um for me personally,um, at the time.
So I have a younger brother whoI'm nine years older than so I
quickly became his father figure, sure?
So there was.
There was moments for mepersonally where I felt like I'm
sure there's many people outthere who feel this way, where
(10:53):
you feel like, well, I can'tshow any sort of vulnerability,
I can't show any form ofquote-unquote weakness, um,
because you know, I have alittle brother who's looking up
to me, who I have to remainquote-unquote strong for um.
So those are things that I andit just was second nature for me
.
I never, I never even gave it asecond thought.
I was like I got to powerthrough this, I got to continue
(11:14):
to do this.
It just never even crossed mymind that I needed to succumb to
the challenges or I needed toseek some guidance or
conversation or that kind ofthing?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Sure, yeah.
So here you are.
You're coming out of WeberState, just had some personal
success.
You've got dreams andaspirations.
I'm sure to continue on.
Draft day comes around.
You don't get drafted and nowit's kind of this decision of
all right, well, what do we gotnext?
(11:50):
How do I still now go reach forthese goals?
What did that look like fromthe time of the draft until you
started that professional career?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, I guess you know, shame on me.
I should have mentioned this.
The first day of school, withmy junior college, I met my soon
to be wife.
Ok, so she was always in mycorner in terms of like, but
she's my wife, so she's alwayslike it's going to be OK.
This will be, you know, allthose those types supportive
things that I needed to help meget through.
(12:17):
And when you just referenceddraft day, because we had a
draft party at her parents'house at the time and who have
always been incrediblysupportive, along with my mother
, obviously, but they hostedthis draft party.
We had a bunch of people cometo it.
I was projected first to thesecond round.
(12:38):
Uh, drafted, I don't get drafted.
Um, in that moment I walk outof the house, I walk down the
street, I cry like a baby andthen I'm like, hey, I gotta pick
myself up somehow.
Yeah, um, and try to figure outa way, because I, you know, I
had supreme self again,self-belief and self-confidence
of what I, what I couldpotentially do.
But not getting drafted wasreally, you know, a really a
(12:59):
hard blow to the system.
Um, but again it was.
It was a form of a life lessonfor me.
Hey, just some adverse moments.
How do I get through this right?
And again, I was.
She was incredibly supportive,you know, from day one,
throughout my career, before weeven thought that the NBA was
reality.
So, again, just being able togo back, get back to it like, ok
(13:21):
, well, this isn't the end of mystory, you know, and that was
just the mental fortitude that Ihad in that moment.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So what did that look like?
I just need to work harder, didthat?
I mean?
How long was the?
There was obviously anemotional reaction to it.
You're obviously upset.
There's some disappointment.
There's maybe some wrestlingwith.
You know, I thought I was goodenough.
Why didn't other people think Iwas good enough?
How long did maybe kind of thatnegativity last?
(13:48):
And then how long till you sayyou know what it's time to go
back to work.
It's time to do like you saidbefore, what's required so that
I have that confidence to keepplaying.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, that self-pity and self-doubt was short-lived.
If I'm being completely honest,it really only pissed me off
more and just lit a fire evenmore.
So I had plenty of healthyconversations with my agent
about, you know, potentialopportunities down the road.
But again throughout my entirecareer there were times where
teams ultimately said no and Ijust had to continue to go
(14:19):
through and power through thatfor 12 years.
But in that moment it justreally made me work even harder
and at that point it was again.
The competition in me made mewant to not only prove myself
right but prove doubters wrong.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So you know, now, here you are.
You're on the cusp of this 12year professional career and now
we're well beyond high schoolbasketball, where you know
there's a lot of committedpeople.
We're well beyond you know yougo to college where that's made
up of all the best of the besthigh school players.
Now let's take the best, allthe best of the best high school
(14:54):
players.
Now let's take the best of thebest of the best in the world,
and that's who you're competingagainst every day.
That's who you're battling fora starting spot against every
day.
What did that look like?
Maybe some lessons that youlearned throughout that career
about what it continues to taketo show up and prepare like a
(15:16):
professional day in and day out,knowing that at any point, if
you can't live up to theexpectations, you're out.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I mean, it was, um, it was an incredible life
lesson for me about competition,Um, and and what, what that
really all entails.
And sometimes it entails thingsthat don't necessarily go on
with what's happening actuallyon the court itself.
Right, sometimes there'sespecially when you get to
professional leagues there'sdecisions being made that have
nothing to do with basketball,that maybe it's a business
(15:47):
decision, or it's just not thetime, or whatever the case may
be.
Or you know, maybe to yourpoint, you know, maybe you
haven't, you know you haven'tfit the bill.
Just, bottom line is, someoneelse is better and has that
opportunity to take advantage ofit, and they've been able to to
to take advantage of thatopportunity.
The organization or themanagement or wherever it may be
, it's given that individualthat, that, that opportunity.
(16:11):
But for me personally, again, I,I, I've always had something
that's talked about theunwavering I'll call it
irrational confidence.
Right, there was times where,for example, I'm going to guard
Allen Iverson, my cousin's, like, hey, what are you going to do?
You got Allen Iverson tomorrownight.
Well, guess what?
He's got me tomorrow night too.
That was my mind, and again,most people would be like, yeah,
(16:31):
you're an idiot, but in my mind, no, absolutely not.
There's something that has tobe said about self-belief and
what that means, because none ofus can have any sort of level
of success if we don'tnecessarily believe in ourselves
with the utmost confidence.
But again, that doesn't meanthat things weren't hard.
That doesn't mean that I didn'tget cut multiple times.
(16:54):
That didn't mean I didn't haveto go overseas and then come
back and get back in the NBA.
All those things happened to methroughout my 12-year
professional basketball anddefinitely had those challenges
and some small moments of likeis this for me or not?
I would say that those momentswere short-lived.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, were there times where, maybe after a game,
maybe after a time that youdidn't play your best or, you
know, maybe after you got cut oryou heard no for a second,
third, fourth time, were theretimes that you doubted.
Along the way, like you know,I've had this irrational
(17:34):
confidence, but maybe I'm notgood enough in this situation.
Were there any times that youstruggled with that.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I never thought that there was a time where I said to
myself, hey, I'm not goodenough for this particular
moment or this particularsituation.
I did always, just maybe withsubconsciously or consciously I
would always dedicate myself tothe work in the gym.
Now you know what type of workI'm putting in and what
(18:03):
particular skills and all thosethings would change as far as
that.
I'm working on that kind ofthing, but I would always
dedicate myself to the work.
I never wanted to go into, like, for example, a training camp
for example, and be out of shape.
That was just a mind-blowingthing If someone came into camp
(18:23):
and they weren't in shape, thatjust.
And then, when I became kind ofthe veteran in the locker room
I would talk to young guys about, hey, don't be the reason,
don't give them a reason to tocut you, don't give them a
reason to you know whether it'sbeing late or you know not
putting in the actual work oryou know not listening.
(18:44):
Some of the things that we cancontrol, right, sure, you know
makes and misses and mistakesthose types of things on a court
will happen.
But things that we can controlis the work that we put in
showing up on time showing upearly, staying a little bit
later, uh, studying untilsessions, those types of things,
but um, but being able to doall those things again we're,
we're a challenge, and at theyou know, at the time I was
raising the family as a young,young man and um, and and so
(19:07):
there's definitely, uh, you know, life lessons in all of that,
but definitely some challengesas well.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So 20 years ago 20 years and a couple of days you
know one of the one of thewildest times that I can
remember as a Pacer fan.
Malice at the palace occurs.
Take us back to you.
Know you're, you're there,you're not just watching this on
TV.
Take us through, maybe, whatall happened, what that was like
(19:37):
.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned the patient's history.
That's probably one of the mostwildest experiences in all
professional sports.
Yeah, we're in Detroit, I'mactually in the game when this
all breaks out, but ultimatelythere's a foul committed.
You know typical NBA scuffleGuys.
You know exchanging somepleasantries and then before you
(20:04):
know it, you know there'ssomething comes flying out of
the stands.
We have a teammate of mine goesinto the stands, another
teammate goes into the stands, Igo into the stands, I'm going
into the stands as a peacemaker.
I'm like, hey, we got to getout of here because it turns
into an absolute melee.
Sure, there's a lot of footageout there via youtube, um, but
(20:26):
you know, and then at that pointit's just sheer chaos.
Right, it's just sheer chaos.
And you know we go to survivalmode and it, um, it just it just
snowballs into into a completemelee.
So, um, extremely unfortunatesituation.
Uh, hate that it happened,especially for that team.
That team was showing realpromise as to what the potential
(20:47):
was, what we could actuallyaccomplish throughout that
through the course of thatseason.
Clearly it derailed a varietyof things for a number of
players on that team, not justan opportunity to go and compete
for a championship, but Igenuinely believe we could have.
But it definitely had asignificant impact on a number
of guys' careers.
The next night we come backhere to the field house and play
(21:11):
a game against Orlando Magicwhere we only had six guys
available.
That was an interestingexperience.
I ended up playing all 48minutes in that game because
actually the previous nightbefore we had already had four
or five guys out.
So that was an interestingexperience.
I ended up playing all 48minutes in that game Because
actually the previous nightbefore we had already had four
or five guys out with injury,and then there's some
suspensions, so now we only havesix guys in uniform.
(21:32):
So the remainder of that seasonwas major patchwork and just
trying to get to the finish line.
But wow, it was a wild one.
You talk about the mental stateof just trying to stay focused
on the task and just kind ofpick the pieces up.
It was a major one.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
What were the?
What were?
As you look back on that, maybesome of the, the successes from
a.
You know I'm thinking, allright, if this happens to my
team.
We got to get focused on thethings that we can control.
We got to figure out, like,what's important now.
We got to get dialed back intothis present moment.
We got to, you know, drown outsome of the exterior noise
(22:09):
that's out there.
You know, social media notreally as much of a buzz at the
time, but I mean it's all overSportsCenter ESPN, every talk
radio, over SportsCenter ESPN,every talk radio.
So we got to, you know, not gettoo dialed in on that.
And now we have to focus onthis new task at hand, this new
(22:31):
day, with the constant reminderthat we have one sub on the
bench and you know this is there.
There's all kinds of now,adversity that's come out as you
, as you think back to that.
What were some of the successeswhere the coaching staff did a
good job of kind of redirecting?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I think the operative word you use a number
of times is focus.
Right, you had to haveunwavering laser focus because
here's what the NBA and theywere starting to not do.
They didn't say, hey, we'regoing to pause the schedule for
you guys, let you guys sort thisthing out, try to get your team
collected.
And you know, reassemble.
You know whoever you need toassemble to put a roster
(23:07):
together and field out the restof the season.
They didn't do that for us, sowe just had to make it happen.
I mean, you know, in NBA gamesNBA season there's three, four
games a week, sometimes more.
So the games were coming fast.
Again, I referenced it the verynext night we had to play a
game.
So we're literally just pickingpeople up off the street to
(23:34):
fill the roster for those nextcouple weeks to try to get a
team together to which we can goout and compete.
So it really taught me a lessonof you've got to figure out a
way to try to compartmentalizewhat's going on and stay locked
into the task at hand, because,again, my career is on the line.
I got to figure out a way to goout here and play with some
level of effectiveness to try toget a job for the next season,
(23:58):
whether it's with the patientsor otherwise, yep, and
understanding that it was.
You know it was.
It was a job for the nextseason, whether it was with the
patients or otherwise, yep, andunderstanding that it was a task
for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Any other as you think back on your MBA career
any other times, or any otherlessons that were learned that
really stood out to you andmaybe continue to make an impact
on you, either personally, as ahusband or father, or
professionally with what you'redoing now.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, I would say just the ups and downs, and just
trying to keep a level and calmdisposition right, not to get
too emotionally high, not to gettoo emotionally low, because
that's the game of life.
I truly believe in sports, notonly just professional.
I feel like I learned some ofthese lessons as a kid.
You don't have to be aprofessional athlete to learn
(24:46):
some of these lessons, but therewere a number of instances
where there were again just upsand downs throughout that
process, where you just had totry to stay even-keeled because
you never knew what that nextmoment was going to be.
And if you're chasing downemotions the whole time, it's
going to be a long ride.
Sure, absolutely, but stillhave a passion about what you're
(25:08):
doing.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, so talk to us a little bit now.
How have you taken this intothe real world?
I know we had a conversationabout the basketball camp that
you have, where you know kind ofa a passion to make a
difference in the lives ofpeople that you know are are
struggling with some things.
Whether that's it you knowtheir, their own personal life,
or you know life circumstanceswhat are, what are some of the
(25:31):
ways that that you now try andgive back to the, the next
generation that's coming upthrough the game of basketball?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
yeah, I mean, I'll even take a page out of our
invest book here.
We believe in educated guidedcounsel, right, so we're able to
do that and use it as a servicecomponent to people.
That's rewarding for me and youknow, throughout my collegiate
career, professional career, wealways had different initiatives
where we go out into thecommunity and work with kids or
(26:00):
work with a group of people justtrying to teach them the game.
That was always a rewardingthing to me, just being of
service to people.
But one of the main reasons whyI got into this industry as
well just being able to providea service and teach people and
guide people and do some thingsto where they may not know we're
available to them.
And you referenced, like youknow, even in camps, like it's
(26:22):
great to see the progressionwhen you have a kid come in and
you meet him where he is or sheis, and then you know days later
after work or weeks later afterwork to see that progress that
they've made.
And again, the same thingwithin the financial services
industry.
We would think you know, startwith someone day one and see
what type of progress they canmake over time.
That's where the reward is forme.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, and then just a last piece, last question.
We always like to ask ourguests, knowing what you know.
Now, if you could go back andgive a younger high school
version of yourself one piece ofadvice, what would that be?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, oh wow, that would be.
Um, establish a network, um.
Again, I talked to the point.
I talked to the point about me,um, internalizing kind of keep
it to myself and make it andjust like, hey, I got this.
You know, you know I'm big,strong bad guy, you know, I'll
take care of all this on my own,I don't't need any support.
That is not the way to get itdone.
(27:21):
I truly believe now in my oldage, we can do far more together
than we can apart.
So I would say, encourage myyounger self to just establish a
network of good people to bearound, to educate you, to
provide some wisdom, providesome of their experiences and
their knowledge and just lean onthat right and just try to find
(27:42):
people that you trust, buildrapport with and you feel good
about.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Love that Well, eddie , thank you so much for your
time today.
It's been awesome having you onthe show, really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
It's my pleasure.
If you've got questions orwould like to learn a little bit
more about the MTP Academy,check out mentaltrainingplancom.
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