September 18, 2025 • 37 mins
What happens when you take the little you have and place it in the hands of Jesus? The impossible becomes possible. Ellen and Taylor unpack the miracle of feeding the 5,000 as told in the Gospel of John, a story so significant it appears in all four Gospels.
Scriptures referenced:
- John 6:1-15
- Matthew 14:21
- Colossians 1:16
- Mark 6:34-36
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Ellen Krause (00:04):
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Welcome back to the Coffee andBible Time podcast.
I'm Ellen, your host.
Have you ever been in asituation where you felt
completely unequipped to handlewhat was in front of you?
Maybe you didn't have enoughmoney or time or energy or
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wisdom and you just thoughtthere's no way I can do this.
Well, today's passage is forthat exact moment.
We are looking at John, chapter6, verses 1 through 15, where
thousands of hungry peoplegather around Jesus and he
performs a miracle that'sprobably one of his most
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well-known feeding the 5,000.
But before the bread ismultiplied, there's a moment of
impossibility, of lack anduncertainty, and in that moment
we learn something beautifulabout who Jesus is and how he
meets our needs.
Taylor is here with me today toexplore this passage together,
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and we'll primarily be using theNIV translation and our easy
Bible study method to dig intothis passage of scripture and
let it speak to our hearts.
So grab your Bible and let'sstudy together.
Hi, taylor, welcome.
Taylor Mitchell (01:53):
Thank you, Ellen, for always having me
Mentor Mama, my personal mommy.
For those of you that arelistening to this, you know that
Mentor Mom and I have donepodcasts here and there
throughout the past couplemonths and typically we were
doing them from the same house,just a room away, and now I am
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away.
I'm in Madison, Wisconsin, andI just cherish the fact that we
call each other and do thingslike this.
So I'm still grateful.
But, you know, nothing willbeat being just a room away with
each other to do things likethis.
So I'm still grateful.
But you know, nothing will beatbeing just a room away with
each other to do work.
Ellen Krause (02:28):
So I still love working with you, mom.
Taylor Mitchell (02:30):
I'm excited to dig through this with you.
Ellen Krause (02:33):
I am too.
I am too.
And of course, the house is notthe same without you.
It's cleaner.
Taylor Mitchell (02:39):
That's how it's different.
Ellen Krause (02:42):
Oh, that's the only good thing.
All the other things are toosad for me to even start on.
But we're not going down thatrabbit trail now, are we?
I'm just happy that, truly, thatwe can get together to talk
about this passage.
So the first step of the EasyBible Study Method is entering
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the story, and we are going todo that by reading this passage
together.
I'm going to start with verses1 through 9.
And, tay, would you read verses10 through 15 and then offer a
short prayer for our time in theWord?
Absolutely All right, here wego.
John 6 says Sometime after this,jesus crossed to the far shore
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of the Sea of Galilee, that is,the Sea of Tiberias, and a great
crowd of people followed himbecause they saw the signs he
had performed by healing thesick.
Then Jesus went up on amountainside and sat down with
his disciples.
The Jewish Passover festivalwas near when Jesus looked up
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and saw a great crowd comingtoward him.
He said to Philip where shallwe buy bread for these people to
eat?
He asked this only to test him,for he already had in mind what
he was going to do.
Philip answered him it wouldtake more than a half a year's
wages to buy enough bread foreach one to have a bite.
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Another of his disciples,andrew Simon, peter's brother,
spoke up.
Here is a boy with five smallbarley loaves and two small fish
, but how far will they go amongso many?
Taylor Mitchell (04:23):
Jesus said have the people sit down.
There was plenty of grass inthat place and they sat down.
About 5,000 men were there.
Jesus then took the loaves,gave thanks and distributed to
those who were seated as much asthey wanted.
He did the same with the fish.
When they had all had enough toeat, he said to his disciples
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Gather the pieces that are leftover, let nothing be wasted.
So they gathered them andfilled twelve baskets with the
pieces of five barley loavesleft over by those who had eaten
.
After the people had saw thesign Jesus performed, they began
to say Surely, this is theprophet who has come into the
world.
This is the prophet who hascome into the world.
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Jesus, knowing that theyintended to come and make him
king by force, withdrew again toa mountain by himself.
Let's pray Jesus, you are thebread of life.
As we study this passage, wouldyou open our eyes to see you
more clearly and soften ourhearts to trust you more deeply?
Ellen Krause (05:23):
Amen, amen.
Well, the feeding of the 5,000was a miracle of such magnitude
that it is actually recorded inall four of the Gospels, and
it's a passage that is prettyfamiliar to many of us, but it
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also is so rich with tangibledetails.
So let's talk about what stoodout to us in this passage.
Taylor Mitchell (05:53):
Okay, I'll go first.
So I wrote down two things thatstood out to me initially.
The first was thinking aboutjust what were the disciples
feeling?
Okay, being a part of Jesus'sinner circle.
Jesus, let's just say this, ifyou're reading the passages
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before this, even if you readthe chapter right before this
he's not loved by everyone.
Okay, he is hated by a lot ofpeople.
But then again, you see thatbecause he is God, people are
drawn to him.
They know that he's different.
And so here we have Jesus andhis closest disciples, who were
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not picked from merit.
Okay, these were regular oldJoes that you know.
Probably in our day and agetoday, we would think why did
God pick them?
I have no idea why they pickedthem and I was just picturing
what would it be like to be inJesus's inner circle, with
crowds coming and followingJesus wherever he went, and and
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Jesus talks to you privately andhe has conversations with you
and he trusts you and he's, he'sliving life with you.
He sees you intimately in sucha special, unique way that I was
just like what do the disciplesfeel, you know, when they're
with him?
And I just think I would feelso honored and just privileged
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and just like I would just wantto soak in everything Jesus says
.
Now, of course, we see reallife.
Okay, the disciples were human.
The reality is I'd probably bemore like the disciples and
struggle with every humanstruggle.
You know I'm not a saint overhere.
The second thing that stood outto me or just initial insights,
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initial thoughts was the testthat Jesus gave to Philip, and
normally I would read thingslike this and I would get, you
know, nervous, like oh, jesustests, when is Jesus going to
test me?
I'm kind of nervous, like willI respond how he wants me to
respond?
And I just felt like God gaveme new eyes to see this test
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that he gave to Philip and seeit more as an opportunity that
God gives Philip to look to himas the answer for difficult
questions.
When God tests Philip, it's anopportunity for him to look to
Jesus for answers.
And Jesus, when he tests us,it's not out of a place of
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wanting us to fail, it's anopportunity to come close to him
.
And not all times in our livesdo we know when we're being
tested, but sometimes we do.
You know what I'm saying.
Sometimes we are faced with acrossroads and we are like God,
I see there is a decision orthere is a question that I need
to answer and I can either cometo you and abide in you during
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this test or I can go seek theworld for answers.
And I just love how we see in.
Scripture tells us, jesus testsus and it's not something we
need to be afraid of and Jesuswill guide us through that and
we have an opportunity to growcloser to him.
So that was a ramble be bamble.
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What about you, mentor, mama?
What did you get out of it?
Ellen Krause (09:15):
Yes, Well, being sort of a numbers person, what
really draw my attention was thenumber 5,000.
Really draw my attention wasthe number 5,000.
And I got to like just kind ofgeeking out and looking up,
because we're entering the storyright, we're trying to see what
was this crowd like.
So I looked up some venues thathold approximately 5,000 people
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and Radio City Music Hall inNew York City came up and think
about 5,000 people.
But that was only the number ofmen.
In Matthew 14, 21, as I said,all four gospels record this
miracle.
There's additional detail thatsays and those who ate were
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about 5,000 men, besides womenand children.
So it's estimated that therewere likely to be upwards of 12
to 15,000 people, which wouldfill a large sports arena like
the United Center here inChicago.
I mean that's a lot of people.
United Center here in Chicago,I mean that's a lot of people.
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So like we're thinking aboutthe magnitude of this dilemma
that they're in.
And the other thing that stoodout to me was just how Jesus not
only supplied enough food forall of these people, but that
there was a surplus food for allof these people.
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But that there was a surplus,and it reminds me of so many
times how God exceeds myexpectations.
Taylor Mitchell (10:53):
Amen, that is actually to hear you say that
around 15,000, okay, sportsarena size.
Now I'm thinking about thoseloaves of bread and fish and I'm
thinking, okay, this was afull-blown miracle, we're not
talking a small crowd, I think.
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When I was little, I imaginedJesus just like breaking the
bread up into like microscopicpieces and I'm thinking, yeah,
you could break a loaf of breadup really, really tiny so that
people could all get some.
But people ate and were fulland there were leftovers.
Okay, we're talking crazymiracle.
So that makes sense to me whythis is recorded in all four
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Gospels.
This is absolutely nuts.
Ellen Krause (11:38):
Exactly, and you know, when I started looking at
more of the details about that,that referenced some of the
cultural differences so that wecould maybe understand this even
more.
But what came up was that thesebarley loaves were a cheap
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bread that was a staple for thepoor, and they were actually
very small and flat, so oneperson could easily eat several
in a single meal.
And in addition to that theywere in this region where there
was no food.
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And so they.
Philip is the disciple thatJesus asks him where they could
go to purchase bread, and itmakes sense that Philip was
chosen because he came from thatarea.
But what we have to think aboutis even those nearby villages
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would not have had enoughabundant staples like that on
hand to feed such a large numberof people.
So all of this backgroundcontext gives us kind of a
greater sense of this issue ordilemma that they had.
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One more person I want to talkabout in this passage as we
enter the story here is thelittle boy.
How do you think he felt aboutgiving up his lunch to feed so
many people and what do youthink his reaction was after
seeing the miracle?
Taylor Mitchell (13:22):
That's such a precious question.
I love kids.
I think I was a little rascaroowhen I was younger.
I wasn't very good at sharing.
So if I was in the shoes ofthat little boy and somebody
asked me to give them all that Ihad, I'd probably say heck, no,
find your own.
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Especially if I was in a placewith no food.
But I think we see allthroughout scripture God just
adoring children and even usinglots of.
He uses lots of opportunitiesto preach to adults to be like
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children and I think in thissituation we see the heart of
what God means in that is that achild will trust God to provide
.
And here we go.
This child was like give Jesusmy food to do what he needs to
do, amen.
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And God works with that.
He loves to work.
When people are generous,wanting to give, when you have a
heart of just childlike trust,childlike faith, what do you
think?
Mentor Mama.
Ellen Krause (14:40):
You know.
So I'm a grandma now of a15-month month old and when I
thought about this I really sawlike the innocence of a child
who's wanting to give and Ithink about my little grandson
right now like he wants to giveto the point where he'll take
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like something slimy sucked onout of his mouth and try to put
it in my mouth to share.
That's true Because of just thatwanting to give, and I think
about this child wanting to giveJesus all that he had.
And then the other aspect I wasthinking too of, you know,
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perhaps after that miracle I wasthinking too of you know,
perhaps after that miracle justsort of the star struck surprise
that he might have had comefrom seeing all of this, being
able to feed all of these people.
And I think again of mygrandson and how he has these
just incredible surprise facesof like oh wow, you know, it's
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just innocence of the child.
Taylor Mitchell (15:57):
Absolutely.
I think now would be a greattime to move on to our assess
the main idea section of theeasy Bible study method, which
is the second step After weenter into the story we kind of
want to dig into okay, why didJohn write this, what did this
mean for the original audienceand what does it mean for us
today?
And there are so many wonderfultakeaways that you can get from
these passages.
If you yourself are askingright now, when I read the Bible
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I don't know a lot of timeswhat the main idea is, I mean,
this is an opportunity.
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It will be in the show notes,but I'll just start by something
that I think is important andthis goes back to one of the
biggest themes in John is Johnwas writing so that people would
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believe, and if you readthrough the book of John, you
see this over and over and overand over again.
John wants people to believethat Jesus is the son of God,
who came to die for our sins.
Jesus is Lord, jesus is Lord,jesus is God, and I think that,
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zooming out to 50,000 feet injust this one little passage,
this miracle is pointing to that.
John is showing us.
If Jesus can feed an arena ofpeople with that small amount of
food, you have to know thatthis is God, this is Lord.
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This is the one that came.
That's been prophesied about.
You can trust him, he is Lord.
Even before thinking about whatthis means for us, I mean, what
did this mean for them?
What did this mean for everyone?
This passage for everyone.
Jesus is God.
Right, so that's my takeawayChrist is God.
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He's worthy of our belief.
What's something that you tookaway, something important from
this passage?
Ellen Krause (18:19):
Yeah, I think, two other things.
First is, what we're learninghere is that when we do have a
need, we're giving all that wehave to Jesus and then letting
him do the rest.
And, honestly, that can be veryhard to do, but I think we're
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seeing this.
Trust me here, trust me.
And then, other thing that Iwanted to pull out of this
passage was that it issignificant that twice John
mentions the fact that Jesusgave thanks, and I think that
that's something that we need tobe thinking about.
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He looked up to the heavens andby that act he's reminding of
us, even Jesus, of who he islooking to and who we also need
to look to.
So just a few more little sortof sub themes, I think, in
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addition to that big overarchingone that you mentioned.
So that's assessing the mainidea.
We're going to jump now intoseeking God and his character
through this passage.
So for you, tay, what are somethings that this passage reveals
to you about Jesus's heart,whether those be explicit or
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implicitly told in the textitself.
Taylor Mitchell (19:54):
I think this might be my favorite section of
Bible study, especially with theeasy Bible study method is
seeking God's character.
And when you're looking forimplicit characteristics of God.
I love what my pastor, PastorDavid, said, that you are
looking for God's character inthe way that he shows his
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character, his actions.
It's not stated forthright, butit's shown by the way that he
speaks and moves and interactswith people.
And so I have two.
The first one I kind of alreadysaid Jesus is God.
First and foremost, this is ahuge takeaway from this passage,
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huge takeaway from John, theentire book of John passage.
Huge takeaway from John, theentire book of John.
Jesus is God.
And if Jesus is God, then thatmeans everything.
That means we need to come tohim if we want to go to the
father.
Everything was created in him,through him, Everything is
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sustained by him.
We cannot underestimate theimportance of Jesus in not only
in this passage, not only inJohn, but in the entire
narrative and arc of scripture.
It all points to Jesus.
Praise God.
And then the second thing that Iwanted to say, that's really on
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my heart and mind lately whatdoes it mean to be confident of
the gospel?
Looking at how Jesus interactswith the disciples.
In a situation like this, Jesusis confident, and that just
struck me about this passagewhen he was talking to Philip
and he was testing him like whatare we going to do about food?
Like Jesus was confident aboutwhat he was already going to do
because he's confident aboutwhat the father can do through
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him in his ministry.
We know that everything Jesusdid in his ministry was to honor
and glorify God, the father,and Jesus never had to doubt the
father's love for him.
Jesus completely abided in himand was confident, and I just
was thinking about that today.
How sweet and special it is tosee scripture show us how
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confident our Lord is and whatthat means for us, that we can
trust him because he's confidentin every situation, even when
things look bleak, even whenthings look like there's no way
you can get out of this.
He is confident about what he'sgoing to do for the glory of
God, the Father, and that's thekind of God we serve.
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He's confident and I need thatbecause I'm not always confident
.
Over here I have lots of thingsswirling around my mind doubts
and questions and insecuritiesof myself to know that the God I
serve is confident and he'smoving with a purpose, he has a
plan.
It really impacts the way thatI want to live.
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It makes me want to be moreconfident, to know that my Lord
is confident, powerful, almighty.
Ellen Krause (22:58):
Absolutely, I completely agree with that and I
love how you translated thatinto sort of this real world
that we live in.
You know, one of the other sortof real world things that we
face every day, just even in ourdaily lives, is problems, and I
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love in this passage that Jesusdid not ignore the problem,
didn't push away the problem.
In fact, early it says in theGospel of Mark that first the
disciples suggested that Jesussend the people away Right, like
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that was their way of maybesort of fixing this, getting rid
of the problem.
And I love that not only didJesus not ignore the problem or
leave the people to figure itout for themselves, but that he
actually stepped up, revealedhis character of God in this
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ultimate provision of food forall of this, like you said,
arena of people, and that hecares, he loves us, he will be
there if we reach out.
And yeah, that was kind of justsomething that I felt like I
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saw his character in that we cansee his involvement in our
lives, in our own situations andproblems and things we need to
solve.
Taylor Mitchell (24:39):
Absolutely, which kind of honestly leads us
really well into the last stepof the easy method, which is the
application.
It's yearning for heart change.
It's wanting our hearts to lookdifferent and our lives to look
different, based off of what weread, what we learned about
God's character.
I have a question, mentor MamaIs there an area in your life
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where you feel like you don'thave enough, and what might it
look like for you to trust Jesusno matter what?
And I think just really quick,before you get into that,
because, like Mentor Mama said,we face problems all the time
and sometimes the answer isn'talways what we want.
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When we pray, sometimes Goddoesn't provide like we thought
he would or that we wanted himto, and that doesn't change the
character of God at all.
I think we trust in hischaracter and from that place of
trusting his character, webelieve that, no matter what, no
matter how he provides, even ifwe don't understand why things
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are happening the way they'rehappening, we know he is still
good.
So to get back to my questionis there an area of your life
where you feel like you don'thave enough and how are you
trusting Jesus no matter what?
Ellen Krause (26:04):
You know, what comes to my mind is sort of just
this current season of lifethat I'm in and I think my don't
have enough is don't haveenough kids in my life, like I'm
used to being a mom whichdevoured a lot of my time and my
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days, and I have this wonderfulthing on my wall here that has
been so encouraging to me and itsays I trust the next chapter
because I know the author and ifI can put that into perspective
for whatever my don't haveenough might be in any
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particular situation, that givesme a lot of comfort and peace
to know like, okay, you knowwhat, I'm sort of closing one
chapter but a new chapter isopening and I need to trust that
God will use me in this chapterin whatever way, being open to
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that and sort of use that as myimpetus to to go forward and not
to get too particularly downfor you, tay.
Taylor Mitchell (27:24):
I actually feel like right now in my life I've
been blessed with a lot.
I just got married, I have anapartment that I feel safe in, I
have a church to go to.
I think I've been feeling anoverwhelming amount of feeling
blessed.
Where I feel like maybe I don'thave things maybe would be
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friendships.
Where I'm at right now Iobviously, having just moved to
a new place, don't really knowanyone.
There's a few people, but stillloneliness is there and I just
think I don't know.
I truly believe this is Godcovering and protecting my heart
and being over me.
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Just that I feel very secure inthe Lord, in that, in that,
even though I feel lonely rightnow, that's okay.
It doesn't have anyimplications on who I am as a
person.
I don't have to, you know,struggle through an identity
crisis because I don't havefriends like maybe I would have
in college or high school, but Itrust that God is a provider or
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high school, but I trust thatGod is a provider and I think
I'm leaning into that attributeof God in this season of not
having a lot of friends is Iknow he's a provider and I know
in time he can give mefriendships.
But yeah, that's.
That is one thing, I think.
Ellen Krause (28:43):
Yeah, that is hard moving to a new place,
literally not knowing anyonethere and stepping into that
environment, and it's.
It is a season of trust, andactually that's one thing I do
love about the church.
So much, though, is that youhave ways that you can get
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connected, and just even servingbrings you around other people
and small groups and Biblestudies and all these things, so
if anyone else is strugglingout there right now with
loneliness, I would encourageyou to step into your church and
see what there might be therefor you.
Taylor Mitchell (29:26):
Amen.
Ellen Krause (29:27):
As we start to wrap things up, what would be
one thing from this passage thatyou would want our listeners to
take away?
Taylor Mitchell (29:36):
Something that I was just thinking about and I
wrote down in my journal as Iwas reading through this passage
, was this was this when in lifeI am asking the questions who,
what, when, where, why?
Look to Jesus first for theseanswers.
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Look to the Messiah, look tothe provider.
Look to Jesus in prayer whenyou have big questions.
In this passage, people werehungry.
They didn't know.
I mean they were like are wegoing to get some food from just
these loaves of bread and fish?
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Like I don't know how that'sgoing to happen.
I'm feeling just a lot of doubtabout how this can work.
We face doubt and questions bigthings in our life the who's,
the what's, the when, the where,the why.
Go to Jesus.
Run to Jesus to answer thosequestions first.
Because, why?
Because Jesus is confident inbeing your provider.
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You want to look.
If you have a question aboutsomething, you want to go to
somebody who's confident in theanswer they're going to give you
.
You don't want to go tosomebody who doesn't know what
the heck they're doing.
Go to the God of the universein prayer.
He may not answer in the waythat you think he will.
He may not answer how you askedhim to.
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He may do it in his own time.
In fact, he always will.
We know that the will of God,the will of Jesus, is to glorify
the father.
We know he is going to beglorified in the end.
Do we trust that his glory isfor our good?
Then run to him when you havethose questions and he will
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answer in the way that he seesbest to glorify himself.
Amen.
Ellen Krause (31:34):
Amen.
Well said, well said.
Tay, I would say my takeaway,for us as well is instead of
complaining this is going to bemy takeaway Instead of
complaining, I want to givethanks to God for what I do have
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and trust that he will make itgo further.
He will provide Amen.
And I think it reminded me ofsomething that I used to do when
you kids were little.
Do you remember?
Like there was a period of timewhere you guys were in this
streak of I want, I want this, Iwant that, I want this, and
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then, when you would do that, Iwould tell you guys okay, if you
say I want something, you needto tell me two things you're
thankful for.
Taylor Mitchell (32:28):
Wow, I must have blocked that out of my
memory because I don't rememberthat.
I remember whenever I would sayI want this, I want that, I
want this To dad.
He would say, well, I want apony.
And then I would never knowwhat to say to that, because
obviously the point is, well,he's never going to get a pony,
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so I better put the old clampolaon it and stop but what you did
was a good parenting move, ohboy.
Ellen Krause (32:57):
Well, thank you so much, Tay, for sharing that.
I think that that's an awesomeplace to end this discussion.
Taylor Mitchell (33:06):
I loved going through this with you, Mentor,
Mama and everyone that'slistening.
Thank you for listening.
Ellen Krause (33:13):
Yes, we would love to hear you know what.
Shoot us some email at info atcoffeeandbibletimecom.
Taylor Mitchell (33:21):
We read every one of them.
Ellen Krause (33:23):
We read every one of them.
We would love to hear from youabout the podcast and just any
questions on this one or thingsthat you'd like to hear in the
future passage.
Taylor Mitchell (33:43):
we go through this passage throughout every
chapter of the Easy Bible Studybook.
So we are going through thisone in depth in such a beautiful
way and we invite you to dothat.
There's so much room in thebook for you to highlight,
annotate, to journal throughthings.
It's a very practical book.
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You can go through little bylittle every day and you can get
more familiar with this awesomepassage.
That just blesses us richly.
Ellen Krause (34:13):
Absolutely.
You can even leave us a commentor tag us on Instagram too,
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Welcome back to the Coffee andBible Time podcast.
I'm Ellen, your host.
Have you ever been in asituation where you felt
completely unequipped to handlewhat was in front of you?
Maybe you didn't have enoughmoney or time or energy or
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wisdom and you just thoughtthere's no way I can do this.
Well, today's passage is forthat exact moment.
We are looking at John, chapter6, verses 1 through 15, where
thousands of hungry peoplegather around Jesus and he
performs a miracle that'sprobably one of his most
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well-known feeding the 5,000.
But before the bread ismultiplied, there's a moment of
impossibility, of lack anduncertainty, and in that moment
we learn something beautifulabout who Jesus is and how he
meets our needs.
Taylor is here with me today toexplore this passage together,
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and we'll primarily be using theNIV translation and our easy
Bible study method to dig intothis passage of scripture and
let it speak to our hearts.
So grab your Bible and let'sstudy together.
Hi, taylor, welcome.
Taylor Mitchell (01:53):
Thank you, Ellen, for always having me
Mentor Mama, my personal mommy.
For those of you that arelistening to this, you know that
Mentor Mom and I have donepodcasts here and there
throughout the past couplemonths and typically we were
doing them from the same house,just a room away, and now I am
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away.
I'm in Madison, Wisconsin, andI just cherish the fact that we
call each other and do thingslike this.
So I'm still grateful.
But, you know, nothing willbeat being just a room away with
each other to do things likethis.
So I'm still grateful.
But you know, nothing will beatbeing just a room away with
each other to do work.
Ellen Krause (02:28):
So I still love working with you, mom.
Taylor Mitchell (02:30):
I'm excited to dig through this with you.
Ellen Krause (02:33):
I am too.
I am too.
And of course, the house is notthe same without you.
It's cleaner.
Taylor Mitchell (02:39):
That's how it's different.
Ellen Krause (02:42):
Oh, that's the only good thing.
All the other things are toosad for me to even start on.
But we're not going down thatrabbit trail now, are we?
I'm just happy that, truly, thatwe can get together to talk
about this passage.
So the first step of the EasyBible Study Method is entering
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the story, and we are going todo that by reading this passage
together.
I'm going to start with verses1 through 9.
And, tay, would you read verses10 through 15 and then offer a
short prayer for our time in theWord?
Absolutely All right, here wego.
John 6 says Sometime after this,jesus crossed to the far shore
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of the Sea of Galilee, that is,the Sea of Tiberias, and a great
crowd of people followed himbecause they saw the signs he
had performed by healing thesick.
Then Jesus went up on amountainside and sat down with
his disciples.
The Jewish Passover festivalwas near when Jesus looked up
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and saw a great crowd comingtoward him.
He said to Philip where shallwe buy bread for these people to
eat?
He asked this only to test him,for he already had in mind what
he was going to do.
Philip answered him it wouldtake more than a half a year's
wages to buy enough bread foreach one to have a bite.
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Another of his disciples,andrew Simon, peter's brother,
spoke up.
Here is a boy with five smallbarley loaves and two small fish
, but how far will they go amongso many?
Taylor Mitchell (04:23):
Jesus said have the people sit down.
There was plenty of grass inthat place and they sat down.
About 5,000 men were there.
Jesus then took the loaves,gave thanks and distributed to
those who were seated as much asthey wanted.
He did the same with the fish.
When they had all had enough toeat, he said to his disciples
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Gather the pieces that are leftover, let nothing be wasted.
So they gathered them andfilled twelve baskets with the
pieces of five barley loavesleft over by those who had eaten
.
After the people had saw thesign Jesus performed, they began
to say Surely, this is theprophet who has come into the
world.
This is the prophet who hascome into the world.
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Jesus, knowing that theyintended to come and make him
king by force, withdrew again toa mountain by himself.
Let's pray Jesus, you are thebread of life.
As we study this passage, wouldyou open our eyes to see you
more clearly and soften ourhearts to trust you more deeply?
Ellen Krause (05:23):
Amen, amen.
Well, the feeding of the 5,000was a miracle of such magnitude
that it is actually recorded inall four of the Gospels, and
it's a passage that is prettyfamiliar to many of us, but it
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also is so rich with tangibledetails.
So let's talk about what stoodout to us in this passage.
Taylor Mitchell (05:53):
Okay, I'll go first.
So I wrote down two things thatstood out to me initially.
The first was thinking aboutjust what were the disciples
feeling?
Okay, being a part of Jesus'sinner circle.
Jesus, let's just say this, ifyou're reading the passages
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before this, even if you readthe chapter right before this
he's not loved by everyone.
Okay, he is hated by a lot ofpeople.
But then again, you see thatbecause he is God, people are
drawn to him.
They know that he's different.
And so here we have Jesus andhis closest disciples, who were
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not picked from merit.
Okay, these were regular oldJoes that you know.
Probably in our day and agetoday, we would think why did
God pick them?
I have no idea why they pickedthem and I was just picturing
what would it be like to be inJesus's inner circle, with
crowds coming and followingJesus wherever he went, and and
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Jesus talks to you privately andhe has conversations with you
and he trusts you and he's, he'sliving life with you.
He sees you intimately in sucha special, unique way that I was
just like what do the disciplesfeel, you know, when they're
with him?
And I just think I would feelso honored and just privileged
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and just like I would just wantto soak in everything Jesus says
.
Now, of course, we see reallife.
Okay, the disciples were human.
The reality is I'd probably bemore like the disciples and
struggle with every humanstruggle.
You know I'm not a saint overhere.
The second thing that stood outto me or just initial insights,
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initial thoughts was the testthat Jesus gave to Philip, and
normally I would read thingslike this and I would get, you
know, nervous, like oh, jesustests, when is Jesus going to
test me?
I'm kind of nervous, like willI respond how he wants me to
respond?
And I just felt like God gaveme new eyes to see this test
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that he gave to Philip and seeit more as an opportunity that
God gives Philip to look to himas the answer for difficult
questions.
When God tests Philip, it's anopportunity for him to look to
Jesus for answers.
And Jesus, when he tests us,it's not out of a place of
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wanting us to fail, it's anopportunity to come close to him
.
And not all times in our livesdo we know when we're being
tested, but sometimes we do.
You know what I'm saying.
Sometimes we are faced with acrossroads and we are like God,
I see there is a decision orthere is a question that I need
to answer and I can either cometo you and abide in you during
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this test or I can go seek theworld for answers.
And I just love how we see in.
Scripture tells us, jesus testsus and it's not something we
need to be afraid of and Jesuswill guide us through that and
we have an opportunity to growcloser to him.
So that was a ramble be bamble.
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What about you, mentor, mama?
What did you get out of it?
Ellen Krause (09:15):
Yes, Well, being sort of a numbers person, what
really draw my attention was thenumber 5,000.
Really draw my attention wasthe number 5,000.
And I got to like just kind ofgeeking out and looking up,
because we're entering the storyright, we're trying to see what
was this crowd like.
So I looked up some venues thathold approximately 5,000 people
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and Radio City Music Hall inNew York City came up and think
about 5,000 people.
But that was only the number ofmen.
In Matthew 14, 21, as I said,all four gospels record this
miracle.
There's additional detail thatsays and those who ate were
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about 5,000 men, besides womenand children.
So it's estimated that therewere likely to be upwards of 12
to 15,000 people, which wouldfill a large sports arena like
the United Center here inChicago.
I mean that's a lot of people.
United Center here in Chicago,I mean that's a lot of people.
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So like we're thinking aboutthe magnitude of this dilemma
that they're in.
And the other thing that stoodout to me was just how Jesus not
only supplied enough food forall of these people, but that
there was a surplus food for allof these people.
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But that there was a surplus,and it reminds me of so many
times how God exceeds myexpectations.
Taylor Mitchell (10:53):
Amen, that is actually to hear you say that
around 15,000, okay, sportsarena size.
Now I'm thinking about thoseloaves of bread and fish and I'm
thinking, okay, this was afull-blown miracle, we're not
talking a small crowd, I think.
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When I was little, I imaginedJesus just like breaking the
bread up into like microscopicpieces and I'm thinking, yeah,
you could break a loaf of breadup really, really tiny so that
people could all get some.
But people ate and were fulland there were leftovers.
Okay, we're talking crazymiracle.
So that makes sense to me whythis is recorded in all four
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Gospels.
This is absolutely nuts.
Ellen Krause (11:38):
Exactly, and you know, when I started looking at
more of the details about that,that referenced some of the
cultural differences so that wecould maybe understand this even
more.
But what came up was that thesebarley loaves were a cheap
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bread that was a staple for thepoor, and they were actually
very small and flat, so oneperson could easily eat several
in a single meal.
And in addition to that theywere in this region where there
was no food.
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And so they.
Philip is the disciple thatJesus asks him where they could
go to purchase bread, and itmakes sense that Philip was
chosen because he came from thatarea.
But what we have to think aboutis even those nearby villages
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would not have had enoughabundant staples like that on
hand to feed such a large numberof people.
So all of this backgroundcontext gives us kind of a
greater sense of this issue ordilemma that they had.
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One more person I want to talkabout in this passage as we
enter the story here is thelittle boy.
How do you think he felt aboutgiving up his lunch to feed so
many people and what do youthink his reaction was after
seeing the miracle?
Taylor Mitchell (13:22):
That's such a precious question.
I love kids.
I think I was a little rascaroowhen I was younger.
I wasn't very good at sharing.
So if I was in the shoes ofthat little boy and somebody
asked me to give them all that Ihad, I'd probably say heck, no,
find your own.
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Especially if I was in a placewith no food.
But I think we see allthroughout scripture God just
adoring children and even usinglots of.
He uses lots of opportunitiesto preach to adults to be like
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children and I think in thissituation we see the heart of
what God means in that is that achild will trust God to provide
.
And here we go.
This child was like give Jesusmy food to do what he needs to
do, amen.
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And God works with that.
He loves to work.
When people are generous,wanting to give, when you have a
heart of just childlike trust,childlike faith, what do you
think?
Mentor Mama.
Ellen Krause (14:40):
You know.
So I'm a grandma now of a15-month month old and when I
thought about this I really sawlike the innocence of a child
who's wanting to give and Ithink about my little grandson
right now like he wants to giveto the point where he'll take
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like something slimy sucked onout of his mouth and try to put
it in my mouth to share.
That's true Because of just thatwanting to give, and I think
about this child wanting to giveJesus all that he had.
And then the other aspect I wasthinking too of, you know,
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perhaps after that miracle I wasthinking too of you know,
perhaps after that miracle justsort of the star struck surprise
that he might have had comefrom seeing all of this, being
able to feed all of these people.
And I think again of mygrandson and how he has these
just incredible surprise facesof like oh wow, you know, it's
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just innocence of the child.
Taylor Mitchell (15:57):
Absolutely.
I think now would be a greattime to move on to our assess
the main idea section of theeasy Bible study method, which
is the second step After weenter into the story we kind of
want to dig into okay, why didJohn write this, what did this
mean for the original audienceand what does it mean for us
today?
And there are so many wonderfultakeaways that you can get from
these passages.
If you yourself are askingright now, when I read the Bible
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I don't know a lot of timeswhat the main idea is, I mean,
this is an opportunity.
I'm just going to say a plugfor our book, but we write an
entire in-depth chapter on howto find the main idea of
passages and give you such greathelpful tools to do that
different exercises that you cando paraphrasing and
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highlighting and finding themes,and different exercises of
looking to what the originalaudience and et cetera, et
cetera.
And it is just so helpful.
So that's just a shameless plug.
It will be in the show notes,but I'll just start by something
that I think is important andthis goes back to one of the
biggest themes in John is Johnwas writing so that people would
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believe, and if you readthrough the book of John, you
see this over and over and overand over again.
John wants people to believethat Jesus is the son of God,
who came to die for our sins.
Jesus is Lord, jesus is Lord,jesus is God, and I think that,
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zooming out to 50,000 feet injust this one little passage,
this miracle is pointing to that.
John is showing us.
If Jesus can feed an arena ofpeople with that small amount of
food, you have to know thatthis is God, this is Lord.
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This is the one that came.
That's been prophesied about.
You can trust him, he is Lord.
Even before thinking about whatthis means for us, I mean, what
did this mean for them?
What did this mean for everyone?
This passage for everyone.
Jesus is God.
Right, so that's my takeawayChrist is God.
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He's worthy of our belief.
What's something that you tookaway, something important from
this passage?
Ellen Krause (18:19):
Yeah, I think, two other things.
First is, what we're learninghere is that when we do have a
need, we're giving all that wehave to Jesus and then letting
him do the rest.
And, honestly, that can be veryhard to do, but I think we're
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seeing this.
Trust me here, trust me.
And then, other thing that Iwanted to pull out of this
passage was that it issignificant that twice John
mentions the fact that Jesusgave thanks, and I think that
that's something that we need tobe thinking about.
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He looked up to the heavens andby that act he's reminding of
us, even Jesus, of who he islooking to and who we also need
to look to.
So just a few more little sortof sub themes, I think, in
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addition to that big overarchingone that you mentioned.
So that's assessing the mainidea.
We're going to jump now intoseeking God and his character
through this passage.
So for you, tay, what are somethings that this passage reveals
to you about Jesus's heart,whether those be explicit or
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implicitly told in the textitself.
Taylor Mitchell (19:54):
I think this might be my favorite section of
Bible study, especially with theeasy Bible study method is
seeking God's character.
And when you're looking forimplicit characteristics of God.
I love what my pastor, PastorDavid, said, that you are
looking for God's character inthe way that he shows his
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character, his actions.
It's not stated forthright, butit's shown by the way that he
speaks and moves and interactswith people.
And so I have two.
The first one I kind of alreadysaid Jesus is God.
First and foremost, this is ahuge takeaway from this passage,
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huge takeaway from John, theentire book of John passage.
Huge takeaway from John, theentire book of John.
Jesus is God.
And if Jesus is God, then thatmeans everything.
That means we need to come tohim if we want to go to the
father.
Everything was created in him,through him, Everything is
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sustained by him.
We cannot underestimate theimportance of Jesus in not only
in this passage, not only inJohn, but in the entire
narrative and arc of scripture.
It all points to Jesus.
Praise God.
And then the second thing that Iwanted to say, that's really on
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my heart and mind lately whatdoes it mean to be confident of
the gospel?
Looking at how Jesus interactswith the disciples.
In a situation like this, Jesusis confident, and that just
struck me about this passagewhen he was talking to Philip
and he was testing him like whatare we going to do about food?
Like Jesus was confident aboutwhat he was already going to do
because he's confident aboutwhat the father can do through
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him in his ministry.
We know that everything Jesusdid in his ministry was to honor
and glorify God, the father,and Jesus never had to doubt the
father's love for him.
Jesus completely abided in himand was confident, and I just
was thinking about that today.
How sweet and special it is tosee scripture show us how
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confident our Lord is and whatthat means for us, that we can
trust him because he's confidentin every situation, even when
things look bleak, even whenthings look like there's no way
you can get out of this.
He is confident about what he'sgoing to do for the glory of
God, the Father, and that's thekind of God we serve.
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He's confident and I need thatbecause I'm not always confident
.
Over here I have lots of thingsswirling around my mind doubts
and questions and insecuritiesof myself to know that the God I
serve is confident and he'smoving with a purpose, he has a
plan.
It really impacts the way thatI want to live.
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It makes me want to be moreconfident, to know that my Lord
is confident, powerful, almighty.
Ellen Krause (22:58):
Absolutely, I completely agree with that and I
love how you translated thatinto sort of this real world
that we live in.
You know, one of the other sortof real world things that we
face every day, just even in ourdaily lives, is problems, and I
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love in this passage that Jesusdid not ignore the problem,
didn't push away the problem.
In fact, early it says in theGospel of Mark that first the
disciples suggested that Jesussend the people away Right, like
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that was their way of maybesort of fixing this, getting rid
of the problem.
And I love that not only didJesus not ignore the problem or
leave the people to figure itout for themselves, but that he
actually stepped up, revealedhis character of God in this
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ultimate provision of food forall of this, like you said,
arena of people, and that hecares, he loves us, he will be
there if we reach out.
And yeah, that was kind of justsomething that I felt like I
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saw his character in that we cansee his involvement in our
lives, in our own situations andproblems and things we need to
solve.
Taylor Mitchell (24:39):
Absolutely, which kind of honestly leads us
really well into the last stepof the easy method, which is the
application.
It's yearning for heart change.
It's wanting our hearts to lookdifferent and our lives to look
different, based off of what weread, what we learned about
God's character.
I have a question, mentor MamaIs there an area in your life
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where you feel like you don'thave enough, and what might it
look like for you to trust Jesusno matter what?
And I think just really quick,before you get into that,
because, like Mentor Mama said,we face problems all the time
and sometimes the answer isn'talways what we want.
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When we pray, sometimes Goddoesn't provide like we thought
he would or that we wanted himto, and that doesn't change the
character of God at all.
I think we trust in hischaracter and from that place of
trusting his character, webelieve that, no matter what, no
matter how he provides, even ifwe don't understand why things
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are happening the way they'rehappening, we know he is still
good.
So to get back to my questionis there an area of your life
where you feel like you don'thave enough and how are you
trusting Jesus no matter what?
Ellen Krause (26:04):
You know, what comes to my mind is sort of just
this current season of lifethat I'm in and I think my don't
have enough is don't haveenough kids in my life, like I'm
used to being a mom whichdevoured a lot of my time and my
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days, and I have this wonderfulthing on my wall here that has
been so encouraging to me and itsays I trust the next chapter
because I know the author and ifI can put that into perspective
for whatever my don't haveenough might be in any
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particular situation, that givesme a lot of comfort and peace
to know like, okay, you knowwhat, I'm sort of closing one
chapter but a new chapter isopening and I need to trust that
God will use me in this chapterin whatever way, being open to
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that and sort of use that as myimpetus to to go forward and not
to get too particularly downfor you, tay.
Taylor Mitchell (27:24):
I actually feel like right now in my life I've
been blessed with a lot.
I just got married, I have anapartment that I feel safe in, I
have a church to go to.
I think I've been feeling anoverwhelming amount of feeling
blessed.
Where I feel like maybe I don'thave things maybe would be
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friendships.
Where I'm at right now Iobviously, having just moved to
a new place, don't really knowanyone.
There's a few people, but stillloneliness is there and I just
think I don't know.
I truly believe this is Godcovering and protecting my heart
and being over me.
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Just that I feel very secure inthe Lord, in that, in that,
even though I feel lonely rightnow, that's okay.
It doesn't have anyimplications on who I am as a
person.
I don't have to, you know,struggle through an identity
crisis because I don't havefriends like maybe I would have
in college or high school, but Itrust that God is a provider or
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high school, but I trust thatGod is a provider and I think
I'm leaning into that attributeof God in this season of not
having a lot of friends is Iknow he's a provider and I know
in time he can give mefriendships.
But yeah, that's.
That is one thing, I think.
Ellen Krause (28:43):
Yeah, that is hard moving to a new place,
literally not knowing anyonethere and stepping into that
environment, and it's.
It is a season of trust, andactually that's one thing I do
love about the church.
So much, though, is that youhave ways that you can get
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connected, and just even servingbrings you around other people
and small groups and Biblestudies and all these things, so
if anyone else is strugglingout there right now with
loneliness, I would encourageyou to step into your church and
see what there might be therefor you.
Taylor Mitchell (29:26):
Amen.
Ellen Krause (29:27):
As we start to wrap things up, what would be
one thing from this passage thatyou would want our listeners to
take away?
Taylor Mitchell (29:36):
Something that I was just thinking about and I
wrote down in my journal as Iwas reading through this passage
, was this was this when in lifeI am asking the questions who,
what, when, where, why?
Look to Jesus first for theseanswers.
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Look to the Messiah, look tothe provider.
Look to Jesus in prayer whenyou have big questions.
In this passage, people werehungry.
They didn't know.
I mean they were like are wegoing to get some food from just
these loaves of bread and fish?
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Like I don't know how that'sgoing to happen.
I'm feeling just a lot of doubtabout how this can work.
We face doubt and questions bigthings in our life the who's,
the what's, the when, the where,the why.
Go to Jesus.
Run to Jesus to answer thosequestions first.
Because, why?
Because Jesus is confident inbeing your provider.
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You want to look.
If you have a question aboutsomething, you want to go to
somebody who's confident in theanswer they're going to give you
.
You don't want to go tosomebody who doesn't know what
the heck they're doing.
Go to the God of the universein prayer.
He may not answer in the waythat you think he will.
He may not answer how you askedhim to.
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He may do it in his own time.
In fact, he always will.
We know that the will of God,the will of Jesus, is to glorify
the father.
We know he is going to beglorified in the end.
Do we trust that his glory isfor our good?
Then run to him when you havethose questions and he will
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answer in the way that he seesbest to glorify himself.
Amen.
Ellen Krause (31:34):
Amen.
Well said, well said.
Tay, I would say my takeaway,for us as well is instead of
complaining this is going to bemy takeaway Instead of
complaining, I want to givethanks to God for what I do have
(31:56):
and trust that he will make itgo further.
He will provide Amen.
And I think it reminded me ofsomething that I used to do when
you kids were little.
Do you remember?
Like there was a period of timewhere you guys were in this
streak of I want, I want this, Iwant that, I want this, and
(32:18):
then, when you would do that, Iwould tell you guys okay, if you
say I want something, you needto tell me two things you're
thankful for.
Taylor Mitchell (32:28):
Wow, I must have blocked that out of my
memory because I don't rememberthat.
I remember whenever I would sayI want this, I want that, I
want this To dad.
He would say, well, I want apony.
And then I would never knowwhat to say to that, because
obviously the point is, well,he's never going to get a pony,
(32:48):
so I better put the old clampolaon it and stop but what you did
was a good parenting move, ohboy.
Ellen Krause (32:57):
Well, thank you so much, Tay, for sharing that.
I think that that's an awesomeplace to end this discussion.
Taylor Mitchell (33:06):
I loved going through this with you, Mentor,
Mama and everyone that'slistening.
Thank you for listening.
Ellen Krause (33:13):
Yes, we would love to hear you know what.
Shoot us some email at info atcoffeeandbibletimecom.
Taylor Mitchell (33:21):
We read every one of them.
Ellen Krause (33:23):
We read every one of them.
We would love to hear from youabout the podcast and just any
questions on this one or thingsthat you'd like to hear in the
future passage.
Taylor Mitchell (33:43):
we go through this passage throughout every
chapter of the Easy Bible Studybook.
So we are going through thisone in depth in such a beautiful
way and we invite you to dothat.
There's so much room in thebook for you to highlight,
annotate, to journal throughthings.
It's a very practical book.
(34:03):
You can go through little bylittle every day and you can get
more familiar with this awesomepassage.
That just blesses us richly.
Ellen Krause (34:13):
Absolutely.
You can even leave us a commentor tag us on Instagram too,
because we would love to hearhow God is speaking to you
through his word, all right?
Well, if you want to divedeeper into conversations with
our podcast guests, attend liveclasses with Ashley Taylor and
(34:37):
myself, get access to all of ouracademy courses and connect
with other women who love theBible just as much as you.
I hope you will check out theCoffee and Bible Time community
at coffeeandbibletimecom.
We will have all these thingslinked in our show notes.
So until we talk again, thankyou for joining the Coffee and
(34:59):
Bible Time podcast.
Have a blessed day.
Taylor Mitchell (35:03):
Bye.
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