March 13, 2025 • 51 mins
Rebecca St. James and Cubbie Fink share their profound journey of finding hope and healing through unwavering faith during life's most challenging seasons. Their story reveals how God's redemptive power transforms pain into purpose and provides peace even in the darkest valleys.
• Rebecca's childhood experience of seeing God's miraculous provision shaped her early music ministry
• Cubbie's unexpected two-year mission trip to South Africa became the foundation of his faith journey
• Their meeting in LA through a philosophy group led to a providential romance and marriage
• Navigating career transitions brought identity struggles and questions of purpose
• Their "winter season" included Cubbie leaving Foster the People, miscarriages, and family illness
• Counseling helped them work through deep emotional pain and find healing
• They intentionally include their children in ministry rather than compartmentalizing their lives
• Faith means standing on God's trustworthiness even when life is difficult
• Rebecca's mom's wisdom: "If you and Cubbie are being faithful to what God has called you to do, there's blessing in that for your children"
• Our identity isn't tied to performance but to being children of God.
Rebecca's favorite Bible: Amplified Study Bible
Rebecca's favorite journal: Write the Word journal
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Ellen (00:04):
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(00:25):
Welcome back to the Coffee andBible Time podcast, where our
goal is to help you delight inGod's Word and thrive in
Christian living.
This is Ellen, your host.
When you were young, did youbelieve in the happily ever
after fairy tale?
But then real life happenedcycles of good times and hard
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seasons.
In those valleys we face deeplosses, betrayal and heartbreak.
Sometimes it feels like there'sno way to find meaning in life
at all.
We can lose sight of who wereally are, struggle in our
relationships and feel lost inthe chaos.
Are struggle in ourrelationships and feel lost in
the chaos.
Well, our guests today, RebeccaSt James and Cubbie Fink, offer
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the secret to enduring toughtimes.
Through their journey, theyshare how their faith has
anchored them through life'smost challenging moments.
In this episode, they talkopenly about their pain,
triumphs and how they found hopeand healing through their
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unwavering commitment to God.
Their story reminds us that, nomatter how hard life gets,
there is always a way back topeace through faith.
To find that peace, we need toembrace God's redemptive power,
especially in our hardestmoments.
We must separate our identityfrom what we do or what others
think of us.
We also need to prioritize ourrelationships, especially in
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marriage and family, and trustthat God will guide us through.
Lastly, we must stay committedto our faith even when things
feel uncertain, and lean intoGod's grace at all times.
Well, Rebecca is among the mostdefining artists in Christian
music history.
She is a Grammy and Doveaward-winning Christian music
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legend with more than 2 millionalbums sold.
She is also an accomplishedactress and the author of more
than a dozen books.
Her album Kingdom Come and aparenting podcast with focus on
the family are recent additionsto her dynamic career.
The 2024 hit movie Unsung Herofeatures Rebecca and her
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family's story along with herbrother's Grammy Award winning
duo for King and Country.
Cubbie is a founding member ofthe multi-platinum Grammy
nominated indie pop band Fosterthe People.
He was the executive produceron Rebecca's most recent album
and is also a successful filmproducer and director.
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His most recent producingendeavor, unsung Hero, received
the GMA Dove Award for FeatureFilm of the Year.
Rebecca and Cubbie have threechildren and live in Nashville,
Tennessee.
Please welcome Rebecca andCubbie.
Hello, hello.
(03:23):
Thank you for having us andCubbie Hello hello, thank you
for having us.
Yeah, great to be here.
Yes, it's such a joy to meetyou both, and I just loved your
book so much because, to theoutside world I think sometimes
we think successful people likeyourselves live these perfect,
struggle-free lives, and youknow you can't relate to the
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hills and valleys of regularChristians, and so I just want
to start by thanking you forgiving us a glimpse into your
real life and and showing howyou have gotten through those,
with God's grace so thank you.
Rebecca (04:01):
It's really encouraging to hear, because that was
really our intent was that wejust be real about all of it,
and I think Cubbie has saidoften that our pain is kind of,
in a lot of ways, what connectsall of us, like we all were
promised, you know, in this noteasy for anyone, but I think
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when we see God's faithfulnessthrough the pain and over and
over and over again, that that'sa testimony that can encourage
all of us in the body.
Ellen (04:35):
So I'm so glad to hear that feedback.
Thank you for sharing.
Absolutely Well, Rebecca.
Fans of your award winning filmUnsung Hero are familiar with
your childhood and the start ofyour music career.
Tell us how your book LastingEver sort of takes off from
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there.
Rebecca (05:00):
Yeah, well, I share a little bit in the book and Kabi
does too about you know hisyouth and childhood and it's
really quite amazing actually tohave written the book together
and then edit it together andsee Unsung Hero.
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We lived by faith for a coupleof years as a family.
You know my family of origin andsaw miracles and you know
groceries on the doorstep andfurniture dropped at our house
and checks in the mail kind ofrandomly, and just miracle after
miracle and that I feel likefor me when a couple years later
I went full time in music at 16, I really had a testimony to
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share and it's funny becausesomebody says it in one of the
characters says it in the movie.
You know a record labelexecutive at an audition like
you know what does a 16 year oldhave to say about God or life,
or you know pain or any of it.
And I know God had given me atestimony, he'd given me
something to say about prayerand about a relationship with
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him, because I had walkedthrough that, you know, in those
couple of years prior tobeginning in music.
So really for the next you knowdecades of my life, I had that
story to share and then more umand all around the world, and so
, uh, yeah, it was just reallysweet to see again God just use
that that time in our lives forhis good and for his glory.
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And then to see last year whenthat film came out with
Lionsgate um, see so manyfamilies, lives encouraged to
pray and apply it to their life.
That was just such a sweetblessing as well.
Ellen (06:46):
Absolutely, and that was going to be the thing that I
mentioned as well.
Like as I was reading that inthe story of your family, it did
encourage me to pray, like wehave this incredible gift right
at our fingertips every day,anytime.
Yes, you know, he doesn't closedown you know certain times of
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the day Totally.
It's such a beautiful thing andit was a very powerful reminder
for myself, just like the powerof prayer and your parents.
I love the story, too, aboutyour parents and their
willingness to sort of let God,your family, in on that truth.
(07:27):
Yeah.
Rebecca (07:29):
Yeah, they were vulnerable.
Ellen (07:30):
Incredible.
Rebecca (07:31):
Because I do think sometimes as parents you know,
we have three kids, ages 11, sixand four and I think sometimes
we can think, oh, we need tolike shelter and protect them
from some of the realities oflife and obviously it needs to
be age appropriate.
You know we can't kind of dumpon our three-year-old all the
challenges, but I think myparents were honest with us that
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we needed to pray and we had,you know, specific needs that
needed to be met in order toeven survive here in the US, and
that the answer was prayer.
And I'm so thankful now as aparent, and I just see so much
strength in that that they wereso vulnerable and willing to
like be very humble in front ofus kids and then because of that
, we were able to see like Godmeeting us so beautifully and so
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that now we go to our, we go toGod with our kids and ask for
prayer from them you know aboutcertain things and and then see
God answer and talk about that.
So it's, it's definitelythere's a legacy in our little
family now with that.
Ellen (08:34):
That's so beautiful.
Well, tell us a little bitabout your own story of you two
together.
How did you guys meet?
Cubbie (08:42):
Yeah, we excuse me, definitely go into pretty
extensive details in the book,but kind of a quick snapshot.
So we were both living in LA atthe time.
I was there working both in thefilm industry but also doing
some music, and Rebecca hadmoved from Nashville out to LA
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to pursue acting and she haddone a couple of films and was
super excited to be in the citydoing that.
But she, through her roommate,got introduced to a philosophy
group that I was actually a partof as well.
I had been attending for acouple of years at that point.
But it was a really cool group.
A guy that opened his home andinvited young people in just to
discuss philosophy, but hisheart was to lay a foundation
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for theology through philosophy.
So a lot of non-Christians, alot of Christians, a lot of
spirited conversations, A lot ofpeople came to the Lord through
that group and there was ahandful of marriages that
developed out of that group.
But the interesting thing iswhen she started attending, I
was working on a TV show andpulling crazy hours and I hadn't
been in several months to thegroup and in my absence I hear
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my friends and roommates starttalking about this girl.
That has definitely piquedeverybody's interest and I just
keep hearing the name Rebeccabeing thrown around and she's so
cool and she's the real deal,super authentic.
Just everything that I heardwas very positive and eventually
heard that it was very positiveand and eventually heard that
it was Rebecca St James thatthey were talking about, which
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was interesting because I wasfamiliar with her name but I was
not necessarily familiar withher music, which, forever, I
absolutely should have been.
I grew up in a Christian home,grew up listening to a ton of
Christian music and I thinkthere was some form of divine
protection in me not notlistening to it, because we
actually had her records in my,in our house growing up and, for
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whatever reason, just never putthem in the player.
And but you know, looking at itfrom this perspective, I really
do believe God protected thatfirst encounter the first time
we met and was ultimately at aat a wrap party for the TV show
that I was working on.
That she was invited to and shecame in the front door and we
kind of somehow locked eyes fromacross the room and it was one
of those just magical moviemoments where time seemed to
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slow down and the music fadedand we just had this kind of
glorious moment where there wasjust so much in that first
glance and we made our wayacross the room and spent the
rest of the evening chattinguntil the party kind of died
down around us and we said ourgoodbyes and we both knew, going
home that night to ourrespective houses, that that was
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a very special encounter andultimately here we are.
Ellen (11:23):
I loved reading about you know the story of your
background of meeting and thenalso your proposal was hallmark
worthy.
Rebecca (11:35):
Right yeah in the snow in Nashville and candles and
Christmas tree and presents anda total surprise for me.
Like he pulled off just thisamazing surprise.
I had absolutely no idea.
So yeah, it was very magical,very, very layered, very
hallmark for sure.
I mean it never snows atChristmas in Nashville, so just
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it was pretty amazing.
Ellen (11:57):
Very sweet.
It sounds like it.
When I was reading that part ofthe story, I was actually in my
living room and had a firegoing and I was like oh this is
the best.
Rebecca (12:07):
That's awesome.
Ellen (12:07):
So thankful.
Yeah, so you were both involvedin music and ministry before
you met in your early 30s.
I'd love to go back, cubby, ifyou could tell us a little bit
about your years as a missionaryin South Africa and then how
you later helped found your band, foster the People.
Cubbie (12:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I was kind of back end ofhigh school very focused on
music and filmmaking.
I kind of made a hard shiftmidway through high school from
the sports career path to kindof making the hard shift into
the arts and had found my mom'scamera and just started taking a
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lot of pictures and fell inlove with the way the world
looked through a viewfinder andthat translator very quickly led
to making short films and Istarted playing guitar about the
same time and so it's kind ofvery much on this arts path
through film and music.
And after graduating high schoolI had kind of set my sights on
LA and spent that first yearafter high school volunteering
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in the youth group and workingin a few different ministries
and then also kind of developingthe band that I was in, all
with the hope of, you know,going up to LA and chasing those
things.
And God kind of intervened inmy plans and took me on a bit of
a detour that I wasn'tnecessarily anticipating and it
was definitely miraculous how hegot me there but ultimately led
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me to South Africa on what Ithought was going to be a two
week trip and ultimately led toabout two years on the mission
field in South Africa and became, you know just, the most
pivotal, foundational season ofmy life.
So much of who?
I am today as a result of thatseason and just saw God do
unbelievable miracles over andover and over and just saw
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revival break out and youngpeople just falling in love with
Jesus.
Revival breakout and youngpeople just falling in love with
Jesus and I really thought Iwas going to spend the rest of
my life there.
But God made it equally clearit was time to come home when it
was time and opened some doorsfor me to go basically pretty
seamlessly into a university inSouthern California and I was
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able to study communication withan emphasis on film production
and thought I was going to goback to the mission field to
make documentaries.
And God kind of changed thoseplans midway through college and
kind of fell in love withscripted narrative and
storytelling through film.
And so the sites turned back toLA and graduated college, moved
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to LA and some of the firstpeople I met were musicians.
And actually one of the firstpeople I met was the lead singer
of the band Foster the Peopleand he and I became friends and
were friends for a couple ofyears.
And then I was working primarilyin the film industry and then
the writer strike of 2007happened and the whole industry
shut down.
So I started focusing a bit abit more on music and, uh, and
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Mark and I had talked aboutgetting together for for years
at that point and finally we'rejust like, hey, we just need to
make this happen.
Put a date on the calendar.
We got together in a smallrehearsal space in Hollywood and
he introduced me to a drummerand the three of us just jam for
a couple of hours and and itwas again one of those moments
where we just, you know, by theend of the first song we were
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looking at each other saying,wow, we have something very
special here.
So it became our, our passionproject that we devoted every
spare hour and moment to, asidefrom all of our respective jobs
and the different things we hadgoing on.
But it eventually blew up blewup and took us around the world
for five, six, seven years andwas a pretty wild ride for sure.
Ellen (16:02):
It sure sounded like it will encourage any parent who
reads this book that if we letgo and let God work in our
children's lives, look what hecan do and just like some of the
things that you wrote about,like I don't know how I ended up
on this youth worship three-daytrip right, but somehow God got
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you there and I think we try tocontrol.
You know there's so muchoutward pressure with our
children.
We try to control everythingthat's going to happen and I
just thought it was so beautifulto see that there was.
You must have had a powerfulpraying family for you.
Cubbie (16:45):
Yeah, they were, and I really credit them for being so
willing to trust God in theprocess and allow me to really
search.
And I think, as parents now,that's a horrifying thought just
to open our hands and say, okay, god, we entrust this child to
you, which my parents really didvery well, and they also knew
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that I was genuinely seekingtruth.
If they would have seen merebelling for the sake of
rebelling, I think they wouldhave been a bit more hands-on,
but they knew I was on a journeyand truly seeking truth, and
truth only exists in one place,it only exists in the reality of
Jesus Christ and the foundationof the scriptures.
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So that journey took me to alot of different places and
ultimately led to a lot ofdepression, but it was in that
place of depression that theHoly spirit was was able to meet
me and and radically changed mylife.
So, yeah, the fact that myparents allowed me to take take
that journey, ultimately, waswhat fortified my faith.
It was what gave my faith assubstance and a reality, as
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opposed to just them forcing itdown my throat and saying you
have to believe this, right,right, yeah, that was incredible
.
Ellen (17:55):
Well, rebecca, by the time you met Cubby, you had done
your own touring of the worldwith your own incredible music.
Bless it be the name it be thename of.
You just have impacted so manypeople.
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How did you feel about yourcareer in?
Rebecca (18:20):
ministry.
At that point in time, then Imean I was just probably.
I mean, for a lot, of, a lot ofmy music years, I think music
to me was always a place ofsurrendering to God's will, with
the foundational idea of I wantto be married and have a family
.
That being the main dream wasvery much like Lord.
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Whenever the time is right andyou want to introduce me to this
, this, you know, prince of mine, please bring him on, because I
just longed for that season offulfillment, as you know, as a
wife and mom.
So, yeah, I mean I think it was.
It was an easy thing to to thinkabout moving into a season that
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was very different to thatnearly 20 years of music.
I was very excited for that andso when we met and I had a
hunch pretty quickly that thismight be the one for me and I
hoped he would be, and I startedreally falling in love, I mean
it was just very exciting to meto kind of join him and become a
new kind of entity as husbandand wife and, you know, get
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engaged and then move intomarriage and then travel the
world together and then retirefrom music.
I mean that was exciting to me.
It wasn't.
It wasn't um giving upsomething for a you know,
something less exciting.
It was thrilling.
It was the dream of my life.
So, I'm so thankful and I stillpinch myself that I have a
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husband and three kids Like Idon't think I'll ever take it
for granted, because I longedfor it for so long.
I was 33 when we got marriedand just so overjoyed that he
blessed me with this family.
Ellen (20:05):
It's amazing Living my dreams right now.
Yeah, I was very, very touchedby that.
That you know.
You said that right from theget.
Go at the beginning of the book,like that was one of your
dreams and I just yeah yeah, Ithink that's so beautiful and I
love also because I have twodaughters and a son, and my
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oldest daughter's married and myother daughter is engaged and
between the two of them theyalso experience some of the
things that you did, that youdescribe in your book like
you've met this wonderful man,but there's so much going on and
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trusting God in that process,yes, yes, I think that what
you've written there will alsohelp perhaps women that are
going through that time in theirlife as well, because it's not.
I mean, it is a wonderful thingto get engaged and be all that
excited, but, yes, so manythings are changing in your life
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too.
Rebecca (21:15):
And there's some fear and I think I wrote about that
in the book, while we wereengaged, fear that I had to move
through of, like how do I knowthat?
I know that.
I know that this is.
God's man for me and reallyseeking him for confirmation,
and he gave that to me.
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Am I enough?
Am I contributing in the waythat you want me to in this
world, now that I don't have allthese different hats that I'm,
you know, wearing, and it'ssimplifying, like you know am I
still a blessing to the peoplein my life if I'm not producing
in the way that I did before?
And I think you know moms thathave worked outside the home or
had some kind of vocation beforehaving kids and then are
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full-time moms I think a lot ofmoms, you know, kind of deal
with that of like what myidentity or my vocation has
shifted.
And, lord, you know, do you seewhat I'm doing and do you, I
want to feel your pleasure as I,you know, do you see what I'm
doing and do you, do you, I wantto feel your pleasure as I, as
I, you know, devote myself to,to being a wife and a mom, and
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so that was definitely somethingthat I worked through too is
just, you know, kind ofrecognizing that I don't have to
perform or tick all these boxesto be a blessing to people.
You know, I think I had boughtinto a performance mentality
that I think God really wantedme to just rest in my identity
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as a daughter of the King andthat was really valuable too
early on in marriage andparenting.
Ellen (22:53):
Yeah, and another thing that you said I love that you
respect counseling and that theycan help.
I know that it's been such atremendous help in my life, but
I think that was one of thethings that you mentioned right.
Rebecca (23:07):
Huge.
Ellen (23:08):
Yes, a counselor had told you that.
Rebecca (23:10):
Yeah, that I could sit in a room and like just with
somebody and not say or doanything for them and still be a
blessing.
Just the present, like the giftof presence that God has given
me as his daughter, is ablessing to somebody, and his
spirit in me, and so it's notabout performing or being on or,
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you know, giving in this verykind of tangible way that I had
probably bought into, but justwho he has made me to be is a
blessing as well, and that was areally good thing to embrace.
Ellen (23:44):
Absolutely Well, Cubbie.
You had been married just acouple of years when your time
with your band Foster the Peoplesuddenly ended.
Tell us how that impacted youand how you dealt with those
emotions.
Cubbie (24:02):
Definitely being in a band is tough.
I think the bands that can makeit for decades are definitely a
rarity.
I mean it's especially at thatseason of your life where you're
, you know, and, and just thefact that you're operating I
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mean your, your vocation is inone of the more vulnerable
places of expression.
I mean it's the arts areincredibly vulnerable and you've
got a lot of guys with very,you know strong opinions and and
their vulnerability of the waythey're expressing themselves is
tied up in what we do and ourvocation and the thing that's
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keeping us, you know, on theroad and and a roof over our
head and all this thing.
So it's just it's a complicated, tricky world to navigate and
then you add any kind of fame ornotoriety on top of that and it
just exponentially makes thoseproblems even harder.
And and I thoroughly believethat we were not designed to be
famous I don't think Goddesigned us to be famous.
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In fact, I know that we are notdesigned to receive the praise
that he is only able to receive.
And when we start receiving thatpraise and believing that we
deserve that praise, itabsolutely warps and twists our
soul and it gives the enemy andthe ability to really take us
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down some pretty dark avenuesand I saw that happening around
me and it's just easy pitfallsto fall into in that world and
for me the band was anexpression of I mean really a
vehicle to bring truth to theworld.
And for me the band was anexpression of I mean really a
vehicle to bring truth to theworld.
That's what I was passionateabout from the beginning with
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the band and saw God really opensome pretty incredible doors
for that band to do what it did,and I always saw it as that.
It was always a mission for me.
It was always the purposebehind the music, not
necessarily the music, andreally the band was founded on a
very common ground with the,the thing that I was most
intentional about and excitedabout, and it soon became just
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playing music for the sake ofplaying music, which was harder
and harder for me to just youknow one, buy into but also give
all of my time to, because wewere touring like crazy.
And then we entered parenthoodand we had our first daughter
and I spent the first 11 monthsof our daughter's life on the
road, which was incrediblychallenging, and it just became
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harder and harder for me tojustify continuing to give all
of that energy, time, everything, to something that I was
feeling was lacking the ultimatepurpose that that it really
needed to have, and so I reallystarted to disengage and and the
guys felt that and ultimatelyled to a decision for me to
leave the band and which waspainful because it was, it was
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something that ultimately wouldhave happened on, you know,
potentially on my terms, but inin the way it played out it was,
it was something that was kindof out of my hands and so it was
.
It was definitely a shockingreality that we found ourselves
in, um, feeling like this wassomething that was going to be
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part of our lives for a lotlonger, and it was cut short and
threw us into a lot of unknownand and ultimately threw us into
a lot of unknown and ultimatelythrew us into what we deem in
the book as our winter season,and it was a three, four year
period of us really strugglingto keep our head above water
mentally and emotionally, andsimultaneously we were trying to
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grow our family and Rebecca waskind of experiencing secondary
infertility and we walkedthrough a couple of miscarriages
, which was incredibly painful.
My mom was dying of a horribledisease.
It just felt like everywhere welooked was just kind of blow
after blow after blow.
And it was in that season thatI realized that I was dealing
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with stuff.
I mean, that season in and ofitself was incredibly
challenging, but there werethings deeper in my heart and
spirit that were starting tofester and come to the surface
that I realized needed to bedealt with.
And it was in that season thatI admitted that I needed help to
deal with those things andstarted the process of seeing a
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counselor and kind of getting tothe root of seeing a counselor
and kind of getting to the rootof that trauma that was buried
and ultimately led to incrediblehealing and freedom on the
other side.
But it was really the pain ofthat season that was the
instigating factor to start thejourney of healing which is
really beautiful, and we've justseen that.
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I mean reflecting on our lives.
We've seen that over and overand over.
We've just found so muchpurpose in the pain, the pain as
hard as it is to walk through.
We see God using that pain forincredible purpose and
incredible growth in us becausethe reality is we generally
don't grow when things are goodus, because the reality is we
generally don't grow when thingsare good, when life is good,
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it's easy to get complacent andyou have no real reason to grow
because you have nothing toovercome.
But it's facing the challengesthat we're forced to rise up and
rely on the strength of theHoly Spirit to allow him to
shape us into the people hewants us to be.
But it's the pain thatinstigates that.
Ellen (29:40):
Right, right, right, which is so incredibly difficult
.
As I was reading that part ofyour story, I was thinking about
you, Rebecca, as well, justknowing that my daughter has a
nine-month old at home right nowand you Cubbie leaving your
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child to go out on the road, andhow you described how hard that
was.
But, Rebecca, from yourperspective, in that season that
Cubbie went through, tell us,just as a wife and a mom, what
you experienced and just anyencouragement that you might
have for someone who perhaps istrying to help their husband
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through a difficult season.
Rebecca (30:27):
Mm-hmm, I think I really had to come to a place of
letting him kind of wrestlethrough with some of these
really hard things withouttaking it on.
I think my natural likepersonality is I see pain
happening in somebody that Ilove, I just want to help, like
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and fix and like solve and likewhat can we do?
And like you know how do wework this out.
And I remember when he told me,okay, it's done with the band,
walked into our living room.
I will never forget that momentand and it was immediately like
God's got us, we're going to beokay.
You know, it was like speakingthis truth that we knew.
But then we had to really livethat out over the next few years
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and the vulnerability of thatand and for me, you know, I had
just kind of entered into mydream life.
You know, like, um, what didthis mean for me too, as a wife
and a mom and for provision forus and all of that.
So there was a lot of questionsand a lot of challenges, but I
think what God was teaching mewas to support him, to love, to
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kind of be there together withhim in the pain, but not try to
anxiously solve.
And I think, as wives andspouses period I think we can
often just do that instead oflike sitting in the pain with
our spouse or sitting in thepain with a friend or a family
member and just kind of weepingwith those who weep and letting
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the process be what it is.
And so I feel like God has beenso patient with me because I
think I've tried to run ahead ofhim a lot probably in my life
of like, okay, well, now it'sgoing to be this and now it's
going to be this.
And I think he's teaching me,probably in these kind of
seasons, to just really trusthim and then let Cubby move
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through these with my support,but not with it making me more
anxious, because I think if weas spouses get more anxious and
more worried and more stressedout, it actually adds more
pressure, right, and when I wasdoing that it probably did add
more pressure.
But if I just sit back in it, Itrust god and trust that that
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he's like gonna work, he's gonnawork it out in cub and that cub
has enough of a faith walk toreally go to god constantly and
consistently, then I can kind ofsettle into a different level
of peace and so I think that inthese kind of seasons has been
what he's been teaching me, andwe come in and out of winter
seasons right in our lives, LikeGod brought us into an amazing
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spring with two extra children,and I mean just so much new
vocationally.
But we come in and out of thosechallenging times in our lives.
It's never that we are finallyfree of the winter, you know
Right.
So, yeah, it's just trustingGod in all those different
seasons and that he's, he'sgoing to be good, he's going to
redeem it and he's doing umbeautiful things in all of those
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seasons.
Ellen (33:30):
Yes, yes, that's very wise, wise advice for sure.
Good Thank you.
Well, um, for those that mightbe listening out there and kind
of just wondering where you guysare at today, tell us about.
You know you have your threechildren and you're juggling
careers and homeschooling.
Rebecca (33:50):
Yes, you are up with it .
She knows what's going on inour lives.
I'm very impressed.
As many interviews as you do.
You know what's happening.
That's impressive.
Ellen (34:03):
Tell us, though, just a little bit about you know what
this season is looking like andmaybe how you're just pouring
into your children.
I think you know one of thebiggest things people always
want encouragement about is just, you know, raising up godly
children.
And what does that look like inyour house?
Cubbie (34:28):
Yeah, it's something that was very much a conscious
decision in stepping back intokind of more full-time ministry,
especially for Rebecca, becauseshe was, as she mentioned, sort
of happily unofficially retiredas as and living her dream as a
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wife and mom and and really hadno intention of stepping back
into ministry or music or any ofthose things, cause she was,
you know, living the dreams ofher heart and and it was sort of
towards the dreams of her heartand um, and it was sort of
towards the tail end of thatwinter season where God
intervened and on in really bothof our situations and um, part
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of the interage, invent, likepart of the encounter that
Rebecca had with the Holy Spirit, was this sense that he was
calling her back into music andinto ministry and simultaneously
he was speaking to me and kindof giving me new visions and
aspirations and direction, whichalso was stepping back into the
world of the arts which I'dkind of been running from for
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the kind of those years of thewinter season, and so we were
sort of on this precipice of,okay, we're stepping back into
the sort of abnormal life thatin a lot of ways, we felt called
to because we tried to live alife where we just-.
Rebecca (35:51):
Kind of a safer Safer.
Safer for us smaller, you know,dialed back life, Because when
you go from living on the roadfor 11 months of the year.
Cubbie (36:00):
I think there was a big part of us that was just OK.
We just want.
We want one bed, we want onedresser, we want one bath like
just one place to live and justkind of have a safe home, home
life and realizing, you know,saying yes to this call to step
back into that was waspotentially going to be a lot
for our children, and so we wewere intentional about, or it
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was only one child at the time,but ultimately our dream was to
have more.
But we were very intentional inmaking the decision.
If we are going to do this,we're doing it as a family.
It's not going to be you goingto do your thing.
It's not going to be me doingmy thing and the kids suffer by
having us not around and somaking that decision early on.
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We've done everything we can inthe careers that we've led for
the last several years toinclude them, and whenever it's
at all possible we travel toshows and set as a family.
And we bring our kids along asmuch as we can and we make them
feel part of the ministry.
And it's not mommy and daddyhave to go do this thing, it's
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we get to go do this thingtogether and we've just seen so
much just awe and wonder in thembeing able to experience these
things, but also the fact thatit comes back to mommy gets to,
or we get to do this becausemommy sings and we get to do
this because mommy sings anddaddy, or we get to do this
because daddy gets to work on onthese film projects and there's
there's blessing tied up in itfor them getting to live it with
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us.
Rebecca (37:30):
And that's what my mom spoke to me when I was kind of
moving back into any of this andkind of wrestling through some
of it, some some of thesacrifice I suppose for for me
as a mom and kind of wrestlingthrough some of it, some of the
sacrifice I suppose for me as amom and some of the sacrifice
potentially for our kids.
And she said, if you and Cubbieare being faithful to what God
has called you to do, there'sblessing in that for your
children.
And that kind of just helped meto settle down Like our
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obedience to God is a blessingfor our kids as well.
And so I've seen that be trueand they love it.
One of them said just recentlymommy, I'm so thankful that you
sing and she's just puttingtogether that there's joy in the
yeses, our yeses to him, and Ilove that so much.
Ellen (38:15):
Oh, that's amazing.
I love that you're kind of,yeah, bringing them in and just
it sounds so much just kind ofwhat your family did.
Right, you talked about yourbrothers being on stage.
You know, yes, everybody wasdoing something, right?
Yes, so that's that's.
Rebecca (38:33):
that's really neat the most profound part, sorry, sorry
, just just very quickly.
Last year, when we were out onthe road for this christmas tour
, our kids were handing outcompassion child packs to, to
people you know during our showto invite them into sponsoring
children.
So there's just moments likethat where they can really
engage or come with me torecording my focus on the family
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podcast in colorado, or youknow, they can really like be
part of it on the road and thatwill, even as we progress more
into these kind of things and dospeaking engagements together
with our book, because it's onlyreally just come out.
They're part of that too, andso I just love that they're
seeing ministry happen, butthey're a needed part of the
team too.
Yeah, yeah.
Ellen (39:17):
I love that.
Well, as we wrap things up here, what are you hoping that
readers will take away from yourbook?
Cubbie (39:27):
And poignantly pressed on my heart, even in the
concluding words, of writing thebook and kind of setting it
down, taking a step back andlooking at the whole process,
looking at all the words thatended up on the page and the
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stories that those representedand really just being so
profoundly moved on about God'sgoodness and how good God is,
and that really is the hope thatpeople will put this book down
and just be blown away at hisgoodness and just reminded of
his goodness, even in the midstof the hardest of times he's so
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good and being able to see thepurpose in that pain and know
that he doesn't waste our pain,that he doesn't put us through
things for no reason therereally is such purpose in all of
it and just that he istrustworthy, he is worth
fighting for and standing on thetruth of his scriptures.
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And I think there's a very easyinclination to just throw away
your faith when you're walkingthrough a hard time and kind of
blame it on God.
And it's in those moments wherewe have the choice to stand on
the truth of his word or turnour back on it, and I think the
hope is that this book wouldencourage people to continue to
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stand on the trustworthiness ofGod, even in the midst of the
hard.
Rebecca (41:02):
Yeah, I think that we really, like Cubbie said, hope
that they apply this concept ofthe goodness of God and his
faithfulness and that he redeemsand he makes things beautiful
and that he restores to theirown life so that they go okay,
we overcome by the blood of thelamb and the word of our
testimony.
So I've heard their testimonyand I've seen him be faithful
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there.
He's going to be faithful in mylife too and that they're
encouraged to and I feel likeCubbie was saying this to have a
lasting, ever kind ofrelationship with God where they
see God's faithfulness and theywant to stay true to him.
And they want to stay true inrelationships that they have the
courage to stick it out, evenwhen relationships with spouse
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or family members or friends getdifficult, to really press
through the hard to the otherside.
You know my mom has often saidthat resolved conflict leads to
intimacy.
I really believe that, and soit's like pressing through those
hard times to the other sideand the payoff and the beauty
that is there.
Ellen (42:02):
Yes, well, there's no doubt in my mind that what
you're hoping readers will takeaway, they most certainly will.
And where can people go tolearn more about you guys in the
book?
Rebecca (42:17):
Uh, they can just really go to my socials.
They can go to Instagram andsearch Rebecca St James and find
, find me there, and then alsoon Facebook as well.
Cubbie's not really on socialmedia, but if you want to find
out a little bit about whatwe're up to together, probably
go to my social media.
That's the.
That's the place.
Ellen (42:35):
Okay, perfect.
Well, before we go, I have toask you some of our favorite
Bible study tool questions thatwe ask our guests.
So, what Bible is your go-toBible and what translation is it
?
Rebecca (42:50):
Uh-huh.
Well, I have a Bible actuallywhere it's a journaling Bible,
that's it.
When it's a, it's a, it's ajournaling bible, that's that's
it in when it's actually me withmy physical bible, that's what
I love.
I love to be able to kind ofjournal in the lines on the side
of, on the side of it, of thetext, and really like even put a
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date and like god taught methis today and um really be able
to look back again at hisfaithfulness with that.
So, um, but then I I just go tothe bible app on my phone a lot
too, and I do love that.
I mean, we can even be likereading the Bible, seeing it but
then hearing it as well.
I'm really getting into hearingthe word being spoken using
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multiple of my senses.
This is just a very recentthing for me, but seeing it,
hearing it and then journaling,so almost like a three you know,
three pronged approach to tothe Bible and like wanting to
take it in in a different way.
Right now, on my Bible app, I'mactually using the amplified
version a lot because I love howit kind of unpacks um scripture
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in a little bit of an extra way.
Um, I can really grasp it.
So niv and the amplified iswhere I'm, where I'm sitting
right now.
What about you?
Cubbie (44:05):
um, I got a bible fairly early on in my my uh jesus
pursuit, which happened aboutmidway through high school.
Um, I remember somebody sayingthat the nrsv is the scholar's
bible, which you know made mefeel like I needed to get that.
Rebecca (44:26):
But he graduated with honors in high school and
college, so I mean it fits right.
Cubbie (44:31):
So I got a hard hardcover nrsv.
Probably it was probably 2000,.
Actually maybe like 1999, 98,99.
And that has been my Bible eversince, and it's been around the
world several times and it'sliterally being held together by
duct tape at this point.
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But there's a lot of memories inthat Bible.
I mean, there's great kind ofstudy tools throughout the Bible
and then I've got tons of notesjust written all over it and
I've got artifacts.
I've got a porcupine quillthat's actually my bookmark that
I found on the ground in SouthAfrica.
So there's a lot of history andmemories and it's very
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sentimental that Bible, but Ilove it, and even the way it
smells.
I mean it's just I love it.
Ellen (45:19):
It sure sounds like it.
Oh, that's amazing.
All right, do you have anyfavorite journaling supplies or
anything you like to use to?
Enhance your Bible study time.
Rebecca (45:30):
I've got actually a you know on top of my Bible that
has journal space.
I actually have been using thisjournal that's called Write the
Word and it has a scripture atthe top that is kind of set for
kind of a whole year.
You have a different scriptureeach day and then you look up
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the scripture and you can writethat scripture and then write
what God's speaking to you outof that, so you could write
about his character or what hecalls us to or things like that,
or things that are on yourheart for today, things that
you're grateful for the date,and that has been really, really
great that I actively use thatquite a lot as well.
Yeah, so that's a journal thatis along with the scriptures for
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me.
That is along with thescriptures for me.
Cubbie (46:19):
Yeah, something that I've been doing since I mean
kind of the beginning of thisyear is I think Rebecca found it
in a book that she was readingbut it's sort of a three section
, I mean, and it's pretty quick,but it's essentially
prayerfully considering the winsof yesterday and journaling
about those, jotting down threethings that you're grateful for
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today and then praying throughwhat will make today great and
journaling about that.
So kind of the three, and itdoesn't take a long time.
And I've kind of oscillated inmy devotion to journaling over
the years.
There's been seasons, I've beenreally good about it and mostly
not great about journaling, butthis is digestible and it's
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easy to do and you know it'sit's something that that is is
great because it's it's you'reremembering to be grateful, even
even in the small things, andit's you're kind of forced to
find three things that you weregrateful for today.
And and then, you know, beintentional prayerfully about
what is going to make this day awin in the eyes of the Lord.
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So that's been a kind of a coolpractice for me.
Ellen (47:25):
That is.
That sounds really cool.
I love that.
Okay, Last question what isyour favorite app or website for
Bible study tools?
Cubbie (47:38):
I have.
I don't even know who makes it,it's literally just called Holy
Bible and it's very, very barebones, which I kind of like
about it, and because you're notgetting blasted by ads and
different things, it's literallyjust the Bible and that's all
it is, and so that I'll.
I'll go to that, you know,early in the morning, before the
light comes on, or if it's lateat night, so I don't have to
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turn a light on.
That's generally the go-to.
Rebecca (48:03):
Yeah, I think I have the same one too, right it just
yeah, it's the holy bible appyou version, you're right yes, I
do that's you version two
Ellen (48:14):
different bible apps alright, that's so great.
Well, thank you so much forjust being with us today, for
for opening your hearts, forsharing your incredible story,
and we just appreciate you beingwith us today.
Rebecca (48:29):
Thank you for having us and thank you for reading the
book too.
We can tell that you reallyread so much of it, so thank you
, I soaked in it.
That was a big blessing.
So thanks for having us.
We really appreciate it.
Ellen (48:47):
You.
That was a big blessing.
So thanks for having us.
We really appreciate it.
You're most welcome and for ourlisteners, we hope that Rebecca
and Cubby's story hasencouraged you to embrace the
challenges that you're facingwith faith and hope.
And no matter where you are inyour journey, remember that God
is always at work, even in thehardest seasons.
God is always at work even inthe hardest seasons, and be sure
and pick up a copy of LastingEver.
We will have the link availablefor you in the show notes.
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We appreciate you listening.
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Welcome back to the Coffee andBible Time podcast, where our
goal is to help you delight inGod's Word and thrive in
Christian living.
This is Ellen, your host.
When you were young, did youbelieve in the happily ever
after fairy tale?
But then real life happenedcycles of good times and hard
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seasons.
In those valleys we face deeplosses, betrayal and heartbreak.
Sometimes it feels like there'sno way to find meaning in life
at all.
We can lose sight of who wereally are, struggle in our
relationships and feel lost inthe chaos.
Are struggle in ourrelationships and feel lost in
the chaos.
Well, our guests today, RebeccaSt James and Cubbie Fink, offer
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the secret to enduring toughtimes.
Through their journey, theyshare how their faith has
anchored them through life'smost challenging moments.
In this episode, they talkopenly about their pain,
triumphs and how they found hopeand healing through their
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unwavering commitment to God.
Their story reminds us that, nomatter how hard life gets,
there is always a way back topeace through faith.
To find that peace, we need toembrace God's redemptive power,
especially in our hardestmoments.
We must separate our identityfrom what we do or what others
think of us.
We also need to prioritize ourrelationships, especially in
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marriage and family, and trustthat God will guide us through.
Lastly, we must stay committedto our faith even when things
feel uncertain, and lean intoGod's grace at all times.
Well, Rebecca is among the mostdefining artists in Christian
music history.
She is a Grammy and Doveaward-winning Christian music
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legend with more than 2 millionalbums sold.
She is also an accomplishedactress and the author of more
than a dozen books.
Her album Kingdom Come and aparenting podcast with focus on
the family are recent additionsto her dynamic career.
The 2024 hit movie Unsung Herofeatures Rebecca and her
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family's story along with herbrother's Grammy Award winning
duo for King and Country.
Cubbie is a founding member ofthe multi-platinum Grammy
nominated indie pop band Fosterthe People.
He was the executive produceron Rebecca's most recent album
and is also a successful filmproducer and director.
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His most recent producingendeavor, unsung Hero, received
the GMA Dove Award for FeatureFilm of the Year.
Rebecca and Cubbie have threechildren and live in Nashville,
Tennessee.
Please welcome Rebecca andCubbie.
Hello, hello.
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Thank you for having us andCubbie Hello hello, thank you
for having us.
Yeah, great to be here.
Yes, it's such a joy to meetyou both, and I just loved your
book so much because, to theoutside world I think sometimes
we think successful people likeyourselves live these perfect,
struggle-free lives, and youknow you can't relate to the
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hills and valleys of regularChristians, and so I just want
to start by thanking you forgiving us a glimpse into your
real life and and showing howyou have gotten through those,
with God's grace so thank you.
Rebecca (04:01):
It's really encouraging to hear, because that was
really our intent was that wejust be real about all of it,
and I think Cubbie has saidoften that our pain is kind of,
in a lot of ways, what connectsall of us, like we all were
promised, you know, in this noteasy for anyone, but I think
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when we see God's faithfulnessthrough the pain and over and
over and over again, that that'sa testimony that can encourage
all of us in the body.
Ellen (04:35):
So I'm so glad to hear that feedback.
Thank you for sharing.
Absolutely Well, Rebecca.
Fans of your award winning filmUnsung Hero are familiar with
your childhood and the start ofyour music career.
Tell us how your book LastingEver sort of takes off from
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there.
Rebecca (05:00):
Yeah, well, I share a little bit in the book and Kabi
does too about you know hisyouth and childhood and it's
really quite amazing actually tohave written the book together
and then edit it together andsee Unsung Hero.
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We lived by faith for a coupleof years as a family.
You know my family of origin andsaw miracles and you know
groceries on the doorstep andfurniture dropped at our house
and checks in the mail kind ofrandomly, and just miracle after
miracle and that I feel likefor me when a couple years later
I went full time in music at 16, I really had a testimony to
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share and it's funny becausesomebody says it in one of the
characters says it in the movie.
You know a record labelexecutive at an audition like
you know what does a 16 year oldhave to say about God or life,
or you know pain or any of it.
And I know God had given me atestimony, he'd given me
something to say about prayerand about a relationship with
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him, because I had walkedthrough that, you know, in those
couple of years prior tobeginning in music.
So really for the next you knowdecades of my life, I had that
story to share and then more umand all around the world, and so
, uh, yeah, it was just reallysweet to see again God just use
that that time in our lives forhis good and for his glory.
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And then to see last year whenthat film came out with
Lionsgate um, see so manyfamilies, lives encouraged to
pray and apply it to their life.
That was just such a sweetblessing as well.
Ellen (06:46):
Absolutely, and that was going to be the thing that I
mentioned as well.
Like as I was reading that inthe story of your family, it did
encourage me to pray, like wehave this incredible gift right
at our fingertips every day,anytime.
Yes, you know, he doesn't closedown you know certain times of
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the day Totally.
It's such a beautiful thing andit was a very powerful reminder
for myself, just like the powerof prayer and your parents.
I love the story, too, aboutyour parents and their
willingness to sort of let God,your family, in on that truth.
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Yeah.
Rebecca (07:29):
Yeah, they were vulnerable.
Ellen (07:30):
Incredible.
Rebecca (07:31):
Because I do think sometimes as parents you know,
we have three kids, ages 11, sixand four and I think sometimes
we can think, oh, we need tolike shelter and protect them
from some of the realities oflife and obviously it needs to
be age appropriate.
You know we can't kind of dumpon our three-year-old all the
challenges, but I think myparents were honest with us that
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we needed to pray and we had,you know, specific needs that
needed to be met in order toeven survive here in the US, and
that the answer was prayer.
And I'm so thankful now as aparent, and I just see so much
strength in that that they wereso vulnerable and willing to
like be very humble in front ofus kids and then because of that
, we were able to see like Godmeeting us so beautifully and so
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that now we go to our, we go toGod with our kids and ask for
prayer from them you know aboutcertain things and and then see
God answer and talk about that.
So it's, it's definitelythere's a legacy in our little
family now with that.
Ellen (08:34):
That's so beautiful.
Well, tell us a little bitabout your own story of you two
together.
How did you guys meet?
Cubbie (08:42):
Yeah, we excuse me, definitely go into pretty
extensive details in the book,but kind of a quick snapshot.
So we were both living in LA atthe time.
I was there working both in thefilm industry but also doing
some music, and Rebecca hadmoved from Nashville out to LA
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to pursue acting and she haddone a couple of films and was
super excited to be in the citydoing that.
But she, through her roommate,got introduced to a philosophy
group that I was actually a partof as well.
I had been attending for acouple of years at that point.
But it was a really cool group.
A guy that opened his home andinvited young people in just to
discuss philosophy, but hisheart was to lay a foundation
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for theology through philosophy.
So a lot of non-Christians, alot of Christians, a lot of
spirited conversations, A lot ofpeople came to the Lord through
that group and there was ahandful of marriages that
developed out of that group.
But the interesting thing iswhen she started attending, I
was working on a TV show andpulling crazy hours and I hadn't
been in several months to thegroup and in my absence I hear
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my friends and roommates starttalking about this girl.
That has definitely piquedeverybody's interest and I just
keep hearing the name Rebeccabeing thrown around and she's so
cool and she's the real deal,super authentic.
Just everything that I heardwas very positive and eventually
heard that it was very positiveand and eventually heard that
it was Rebecca St James thatthey were talking about, which
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was interesting because I wasfamiliar with her name but I was
not necessarily familiar withher music, which, forever, I
absolutely should have been.
I grew up in a Christian home,grew up listening to a ton of
Christian music and I thinkthere was some form of divine
protection in me not notlistening to it, because we
actually had her records in my,in our house growing up and, for
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whatever reason, just never putthem in the player.
And but you know, looking at itfrom this perspective, I really
do believe God protected thatfirst encounter the first time
we met and was ultimately at aat a wrap party for the TV show
that I was working on.
That she was invited to and shecame in the front door and we
kind of somehow locked eyes fromacross the room and it was one
of those just magical moviemoments where time seemed to
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slow down and the music fadedand we just had this kind of
glorious moment where there wasjust so much in that first
glance and we made our wayacross the room and spent the
rest of the evening chattinguntil the party kind of died
down around us and we said ourgoodbyes and we both knew, going
home that night to ourrespective houses, that that was
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a very special encounter andultimately here we are.
Ellen (11:23):
I loved reading about you know the story of your
background of meeting and thenalso your proposal was hallmark
worthy.
Rebecca (11:35):
Right yeah in the snow in Nashville and candles and
Christmas tree and presents anda total surprise for me.
Like he pulled off just thisamazing surprise.
I had absolutely no idea.
So yeah, it was very magical,very, very layered, very
hallmark for sure.
I mean it never snows atChristmas in Nashville, so just
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it was pretty amazing.
Ellen (11:57):
Very sweet.
It sounds like it.
When I was reading that part ofthe story, I was actually in my
living room and had a firegoing and I was like oh this is
the best.
Rebecca (12:07):
That's awesome.
Ellen (12:07):
So thankful.
Yeah, so you were both involvedin music and ministry before
you met in your early 30s.
I'd love to go back, cubby, ifyou could tell us a little bit
about your years as a missionaryin South Africa and then how
you later helped found your band, foster the People.
Cubbie (12:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
So I was kind of back end ofhigh school very focused on
music and filmmaking.
I kind of made a hard shiftmidway through high school from
the sports career path to kindof making the hard shift into
the arts and had found my mom'scamera and just started taking a
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lot of pictures and fell inlove with the way the world
looked through a viewfinder andthat translator very quickly led
to making short films and Istarted playing guitar about the
same time and so it's kind ofvery much on this arts path
through film and music.
And after graduating high schoolI had kind of set my sights on
LA and spent that first yearafter high school volunteering
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in the youth group and workingin a few different ministries
and then also kind of developingthe band that I was in, all
with the hope of, you know,going up to LA and chasing those
things.
And God kind of intervened inmy plans and took me on a bit of
a detour that I wasn'tnecessarily anticipating and it
was definitely miraculous how hegot me there but ultimately led
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me to South Africa on what Ithought was going to be a two
week trip and ultimately led toabout two years on the mission
field in South Africa and became, you know just, the most
pivotal, foundational season ofmy life.
So much of who?
I am today as a result of thatseason and just saw God do
unbelievable miracles over andover and over and just saw
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revival break out and youngpeople just falling in love with
Jesus.
Revival breakout and youngpeople just falling in love with
Jesus and I really thought Iwas going to spend the rest of
my life there.
But God made it equally clearit was time to come home when it
was time and opened some doorsfor me to go basically pretty
seamlessly into a university inSouthern California and I was
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able to study communication withan emphasis on film production
and thought I was going to goback to the mission field to
make documentaries.
And God kind of changed thoseplans midway through college and
kind of fell in love withscripted narrative and
storytelling through film.
And so the sites turned back toLA and graduated college, moved
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to LA and some of the firstpeople I met were musicians.
And actually one of the firstpeople I met was the lead singer
of the band Foster the Peopleand he and I became friends and
were friends for a couple ofyears.
And then I was working primarilyin the film industry and then
the writer strike of 2007happened and the whole industry
shut down.
So I started focusing a bit abit more on music and, uh, and
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Mark and I had talked aboutgetting together for for years
at that point and finally we'rejust like, hey, we just need to
make this happen.
Put a date on the calendar.
We got together in a smallrehearsal space in Hollywood and
he introduced me to a drummerand the three of us just jam for
a couple of hours and and itwas again one of those moments
where we just, you know, by theend of the first song we were
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looking at each other saying,wow, we have something very
special here.
So it became our, our passionproject that we devoted every
spare hour and moment to, asidefrom all of our respective jobs
and the different things we hadgoing on.
But it eventually blew up blewup and took us around the world
for five, six, seven years andwas a pretty wild ride for sure.
Ellen (16:02):
It sure sounded like it will encourage any parent who
reads this book that if we letgo and let God work in our
children's lives, look what hecan do and just like some of the
things that you wrote about,like I don't know how I ended up
on this youth worship three-daytrip right, but somehow God got
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you there and I think we try tocontrol.
You know there's so muchoutward pressure with our
children.
We try to control everythingthat's going to happen and I
just thought it was so beautifulto see that there was.
You must have had a powerfulpraying family for you.
Cubbie (16:45):
Yeah, they were, and I really credit them for being so
willing to trust God in theprocess and allow me to really
search.
And I think, as parents now,that's a horrifying thought just
to open our hands and say, okay, god, we entrust this child to
you, which my parents really didvery well, and they also knew
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that I was genuinely seekingtruth.
If they would have seen merebelling for the sake of
rebelling, I think they wouldhave been a bit more hands-on,
but they knew I was on a journeyand truly seeking truth, and
truth only exists in one place,it only exists in the reality of
Jesus Christ and the foundationof the scriptures.
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So that journey took me to alot of different places and
ultimately led to a lot ofdepression, but it was in that
place of depression that theHoly spirit was was able to meet
me and and radically changed mylife.
So, yeah, the fact that myparents allowed me to take take
that journey, ultimately, waswhat fortified my faith.
It was what gave my faith assubstance and a reality, as
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opposed to just them forcing itdown my throat and saying you
have to believe this, right,right, yeah, that was incredible
.
Ellen (17:55):
Well, rebecca, by the time you met Cubby, you had done
your own touring of the worldwith your own incredible music.
Bless it be the name it be thename of.
You just have impacted so manypeople.
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How did you feel about yourcareer in?
Rebecca (18:20):
ministry.
At that point in time, then Imean I was just probably.
I mean, for a lot, of, a lot ofmy music years, I think music
to me was always a place ofsurrendering to God's will, with
the foundational idea of I wantto be married and have a family
.
That being the main dream wasvery much like Lord.
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Whenever the time is right andyou want to introduce me to this
, this, you know, prince of mine, please bring him on, because I
just longed for that season offulfillment, as you know, as a
wife and mom.
So, yeah, I mean I think it was.
It was an easy thing to to thinkabout moving into a season that
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was very different to thatnearly 20 years of music.
I was very excited for that andso when we met and I had a
hunch pretty quickly that thismight be the one for me and I
hoped he would be, and I startedreally falling in love, I mean
it was just very exciting to meto kind of join him and become a
new kind of entity as husbandand wife and, you know, get
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engaged and then move intomarriage and then travel the
world together and then retirefrom music.
I mean that was exciting to me.
It wasn't.
It wasn't um giving upsomething for a you know,
something less exciting.
It was thrilling.
It was the dream of my life.
So, I'm so thankful and I stillpinch myself that I have a
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husband and three kids Like Idon't think I'll ever take it
for granted, because I longedfor it for so long.
I was 33 when we got marriedand just so overjoyed that he
blessed me with this family.
Ellen (20:05):
It's amazing Living my dreams right now.
Yeah, I was very, very touchedby that.
That you know.
You said that right from theget.
Go at the beginning of the book,like that was one of your
dreams and I just yeah yeah, Ithink that's so beautiful and I
love also because I have twodaughters and a son, and my
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oldest daughter's married and myother daughter is engaged and
between the two of them theyalso experience some of the
things that you did, that youdescribe in your book like
you've met this wonderful man,but there's so much going on and
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trusting God in that process,yes, yes, I think that what
you've written there will alsohelp perhaps women that are
going through that time in theirlife as well, because it's not.
I mean, it is a wonderful thingto get engaged and be all that
excited, but, yes, so manythings are changing in your life
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too.
Rebecca (21:15):
And there's some fear and I think I wrote about that
in the book, while we wereengaged, fear that I had to move
through of, like how do I knowthat?
I know that.
I know that this is.
God's man for me and reallyseeking him for confirmation,
and he gave that to me.
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Am I enough?
Am I contributing in the waythat you want me to in this
world, now that I don't have allthese different hats that I'm,
you know, wearing, and it'ssimplifying, like you know am I
still a blessing to the peoplein my life if I'm not producing
in the way that I did before?
And I think you know moms thathave worked outside the home or
had some kind of vocation beforehaving kids and then are
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full-time moms I think a lot ofmoms, you know, kind of deal
with that of like what myidentity or my vocation has
shifted.
And, lord, you know, do you seewhat I'm doing and do you, I
want to feel your pleasure as I,you know, do you see what I'm
doing and do you, do you, I wantto feel your pleasure as I, as
I, you know, devote myself to,to being a wife and a mom, and
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so that was definitely somethingthat I worked through too is
just, you know, kind ofrecognizing that I don't have to
perform or tick all these boxesto be a blessing to people.
You know, I think I had boughtinto a performance mentality
that I think God really wantedme to just rest in my identity
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as a daughter of the King andthat was really valuable too
early on in marriage andparenting.
Ellen (22:53):
Yeah, and another thing that you said I love that you
respect counseling and that theycan help.
I know that it's been such atremendous help in my life, but
I think that was one of thethings that you mentioned right.
Rebecca (23:07):
Huge.
Ellen (23:08):
Yes, a counselor had told you that.
Rebecca (23:10):
Yeah, that I could sit in a room and like just with
somebody and not say or doanything for them and still be a
blessing.
Just the present, like the giftof presence that God has given
me as his daughter, is ablessing to somebody, and his
spirit in me, and so it's notabout performing or being on or,
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you know, giving in this verykind of tangible way that I had
probably bought into, but justwho he has made me to be is a
blessing as well, and that was areally good thing to embrace.
Ellen (23:44):
Absolutely Well, Cubbie.
You had been married just acouple of years when your time
with your band Foster the Peoplesuddenly ended.
Tell us how that impacted youand how you dealt with those
emotions.
Cubbie (24:02):
Definitely being in a band is tough.
I think the bands that can makeit for decades are definitely a
rarity.
I mean it's especially at thatseason of your life where you're
, you know, and, and just thefact that you're operating I
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mean your, your vocation is inone of the more vulnerable
places of expression.
I mean it's the arts areincredibly vulnerable and you've
got a lot of guys with very,you know strong opinions and and
their vulnerability of the waythey're expressing themselves is
tied up in what we do and ourvocation and the thing that's
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keeping us, you know, on theroad and and a roof over our
head and all this thing.
So it's just it's a complicated, tricky world to navigate and
then you add any kind of fame ornotoriety on top of that and it
just exponentially makes thoseproblems even harder.
And and I thoroughly believethat we were not designed to be
famous I don't think Goddesigned us to be famous.
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In fact, I know that we are notdesigned to receive the praise
that he is only able to receive.
And when we start receiving thatpraise and believing that we
deserve that praise, itabsolutely warps and twists our
soul and it gives the enemy andthe ability to really take us
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down some pretty dark avenuesand I saw that happening around
me and it's just easy pitfallsto fall into in that world and
for me the band was anexpression of I mean really a
vehicle to bring truth to theworld.
And for me the band was anexpression of I mean really a
vehicle to bring truth to theworld.
That's what I was passionateabout from the beginning with
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the band and saw God really opensome pretty incredible doors
for that band to do what it did,and I always saw it as that.
It was always a mission for me.
It was always the purposebehind the music, not
necessarily the music, andreally the band was founded on a
very common ground with the,the thing that I was most
intentional about and excitedabout, and it soon became just
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playing music for the sake ofplaying music, which was harder
and harder for me to just youknow one, buy into but also give
all of my time to, because wewere touring like crazy.
And then we entered parenthoodand we had our first daughter
and I spent the first 11 monthsof our daughter's life on the
road, which was incrediblychallenging, and it just became
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harder and harder for me tojustify continuing to give all
of that energy, time, everything, to something that I was
feeling was lacking the ultimatepurpose that that it really
needed to have, and so I reallystarted to disengage and and the
guys felt that and ultimatelyled to a decision for me to
leave the band and which waspainful because it was, it was
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something that ultimately wouldhave happened on, you know,
potentially on my terms, but inin the way it played out it was,
it was something that was kindof out of my hands and so it was
.
It was definitely a shockingreality that we found ourselves
in, um, feeling like this wassomething that was going to be
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part of our lives for a lotlonger, and it was cut short and
threw us into a lot of unknownand and ultimately threw us into
a lot of unknown and ultimatelythrew us into what we deem in
the book as our winter season,and it was a three, four year
period of us really strugglingto keep our head above water
mentally and emotionally, andsimultaneously we were trying to
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grow our family and Rebecca waskind of experiencing secondary
infertility and we walkedthrough a couple of miscarriages
, which was incredibly painful.
My mom was dying of a horribledisease.
It just felt like everywhere welooked was just kind of blow
after blow after blow.
And it was in that season thatI realized that I was dealing
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with stuff.
I mean, that season in and ofitself was incredibly
challenging, but there werethings deeper in my heart and
spirit that were starting tofester and come to the surface
that I realized needed to bedealt with.
And it was in that season thatI admitted that I needed help to
deal with those things andstarted the process of seeing a
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counselor and kind of getting tothe root of seeing a counselor
and kind of getting to the rootof that trauma that was buried
and ultimately led to incrediblehealing and freedom on the
other side.
But it was really the pain ofthat season that was the
instigating factor to start thejourney of healing which is
really beautiful, and we've justseen that.
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I mean reflecting on our lives.
We've seen that over and overand over.
We've just found so muchpurpose in the pain, the pain as
hard as it is to walk through.
We see God using that pain forincredible purpose and
incredible growth in us becausethe reality is we generally
don't grow when things are goodus, because the reality is we
generally don't grow when thingsare good, when life is good,
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it's easy to get complacent andyou have no real reason to grow
because you have nothing toovercome.
But it's facing the challengesthat we're forced to rise up and
rely on the strength of theHoly Spirit to allow him to
shape us into the people hewants us to be.
But it's the pain thatinstigates that.
Ellen (29:40):
Right, right, right, which is so incredibly difficult
.
As I was reading that part ofyour story, I was thinking about
you, Rebecca, as well, justknowing that my daughter has a
nine-month old at home right nowand you Cubbie leaving your
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child to go out on the road, andhow you described how hard that
was.
But, Rebecca, from yourperspective, in that season that
Cubbie went through, tell us,just as a wife and a mom, what
you experienced and just anyencouragement that you might
have for someone who perhaps istrying to help their husband
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through a difficult season.
Rebecca (30:27):
Mm-hmm, I think I really had to come to a place of
letting him kind of wrestlethrough with some of these
really hard things withouttaking it on.
I think my natural likepersonality is I see pain
happening in somebody that Ilove, I just want to help, like
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and fix and like solve and likewhat can we do?
And like you know how do wework this out.
And I remember when he told me,okay, it's done with the band,
walked into our living room.
I will never forget that momentand and it was immediately like
God's got us, we're going to beokay.
You know, it was like speakingthis truth that we knew.
But then we had to really livethat out over the next few years
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and the vulnerability of thatand and for me, you know, I had
just kind of entered into mydream life.
You know, like, um, what didthis mean for me too, as a wife
and a mom and for provision forus and all of that.
So there was a lot of questionsand a lot of challenges, but I
think what God was teaching mewas to support him, to love, to
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kind of be there together withhim in the pain, but not try to
anxiously solve.
And I think, as wives andspouses period I think we can
often just do that instead oflike sitting in the pain with
our spouse or sitting in thepain with a friend or a family
member and just kind of weepingwith those who weep and letting
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the process be what it is.
And so I feel like God has beenso patient with me because I
think I've tried to run ahead ofhim a lot probably in my life
of like, okay, well, now it'sgoing to be this and now it's
going to be this.
And I think he's teaching me,probably in these kind of
seasons, to just really trusthim and then let Cubby move
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through these with my support,but not with it making me more
anxious, because I think if weas spouses get more anxious and
more worried and more stressedout, it actually adds more
pressure, right, and when I wasdoing that it probably did add
more pressure.
But if I just sit back in it, Itrust god and trust that that
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he's like gonna work, he's gonnawork it out in cub and that cub
has enough of a faith walk toreally go to god constantly and
consistently, then I can kind ofsettle into a different level
of peace and so I think that inthese kind of seasons has been
what he's been teaching me, andwe come in and out of winter
seasons right in our lives, LikeGod brought us into an amazing
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spring with two extra children,and I mean just so much new
vocationally.
But we come in and out of thosechallenging times in our lives.
It's never that we are finallyfree of the winter, you know
Right.
So, yeah, it's just trustingGod in all those different
seasons and that he's, he'sgoing to be good, he's going to
redeem it and he's doing umbeautiful things in all of those
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seasons.
Ellen (33:30):
Yes, yes, that's very wise, wise advice for sure.
Good Thank you.
Well, um, for those that mightbe listening out there and kind
of just wondering where you guysare at today, tell us about.
You know you have your threechildren and you're juggling
careers and homeschooling.
Rebecca (33:50):
Yes, you are up with it .
She knows what's going on inour lives.
I'm very impressed.
As many interviews as you do.
You know what's happening.
That's impressive.
Ellen (34:03):
Tell us, though, just a little bit about you know what
this season is looking like andmaybe how you're just pouring
into your children.
I think you know one of thebiggest things people always
want encouragement about is just, you know, raising up godly
children.
And what does that look like inyour house?
Cubbie (34:28):
Yeah, it's something that was very much a conscious
decision in stepping back intokind of more full-time ministry,
especially for Rebecca, becauseshe was, as she mentioned, sort
of happily unofficially retiredas as and living her dream as a
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wife and mom and and really hadno intention of stepping back
into ministry or music or any ofthose things, cause she was,
you know, living the dreams ofher heart and and it was sort of
towards the dreams of her heartand um, and it was sort of
towards the tail end of thatwinter season where God
intervened and on in really bothof our situations and um, part
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of the interage, invent, likepart of the encounter that
Rebecca had with the Holy Spirit, was this sense that he was
calling her back into music andinto ministry and simultaneously
he was speaking to me and kindof giving me new visions and
aspirations and direction, whichalso was stepping back into the
world of the arts which I'dkind of been running from for
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the kind of those years of thewinter season, and so we were
sort of on this precipice of,okay, we're stepping back into
the sort of abnormal life thatin a lot of ways, we felt called
to because we tried to live alife where we just-.
Rebecca (35:51):
Kind of a safer Safer.
Safer for us smaller, you know,dialed back life, Because when
you go from living on the roadfor 11 months of the year.
Cubbie (36:00):
I think there was a big part of us that was just OK.
We just want.
We want one bed, we want onedresser, we want one bath like
just one place to live and justkind of have a safe home, home
life and realizing, you know,saying yes to this call to step
back into that was waspotentially going to be a lot
for our children, and so we wewere intentional about, or it
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was only one child at the time,but ultimately our dream was to
have more.
But we were very intentional inmaking the decision.
If we are going to do this,we're doing it as a family.
It's not going to be you goingto do your thing.
It's not going to be me doingmy thing and the kids suffer by
having us not around and somaking that decision early on.
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We've done everything we can inthe careers that we've led for
the last several years toinclude them, and whenever it's
at all possible we travel toshows and set as a family.
And we bring our kids along asmuch as we can and we make them
feel part of the ministry.
And it's not mommy and daddyhave to go do this thing, it's
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we get to go do this thingtogether and we've just seen so
much just awe and wonder in thembeing able to experience these
things, but also the fact thatit comes back to mommy gets to,
or we get to do this becausemommy sings and we get to do
this because mommy sings anddaddy, or we get to do this
because daddy gets to work on onthese film projects and there's
there's blessing tied up in itfor them getting to live it with
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us.
Rebecca (37:30):
And that's what my mom spoke to me when I was kind of
moving back into any of this andkind of wrestling through some
of it, some some of thesacrifice I suppose for for me
as a mom and kind of wrestlingthrough some of it, some of the
sacrifice I suppose for me as amom and some of the sacrifice
potentially for our kids.
And she said, if you and Cubbieare being faithful to what God
has called you to do, there'sblessing in that for your
children.
And that kind of just helped meto settle down Like our
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obedience to God is a blessingfor our kids as well.
And so I've seen that be trueand they love it.
One of them said just recentlymommy, I'm so thankful that you
sing and she's just puttingtogether that there's joy in the
yeses, our yeses to him, and Ilove that so much.
Ellen (38:15):
Oh, that's amazing.
I love that you're kind of,yeah, bringing them in and just
it sounds so much just kind ofwhat your family did.
Right, you talked about yourbrothers being on stage.
You know, yes, everybody wasdoing something, right?
Yes, so that's that's.
Rebecca (38:33):
that's really neat the most profound part, sorry, sorry
, just just very quickly.
Last year, when we were out onthe road for this christmas tour
, our kids were handing outcompassion child packs to, to
people you know during our showto invite them into sponsoring
children.
So there's just moments likethat where they can really
engage or come with me torecording my focus on the family
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podcast in colorado, or youknow, they can really like be
part of it on the road and thatwill, even as we progress more
into these kind of things and dospeaking engagements together
with our book, because it's onlyreally just come out.
They're part of that too, andso I just love that they're
seeing ministry happen, butthey're a needed part of the
team too.
Yeah, yeah.
Ellen (39:17):
I love that.
Well, as we wrap things up here, what are you hoping that
readers will take away from yourbook?
Cubbie (39:27):
And poignantly pressed on my heart, even in the
concluding words, of writing thebook and kind of setting it
down, taking a step back andlooking at the whole process,
looking at all the words thatended up on the page and the
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stories that those representedand really just being so
profoundly moved on about God'sgoodness and how good God is,
and that really is the hope thatpeople will put this book down
and just be blown away at hisgoodness and just reminded of
his goodness, even in the midstof the hardest of times he's so
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good and being able to see thepurpose in that pain and know
that he doesn't waste our pain,that he doesn't put us through
things for no reason therereally is such purpose in all of
it and just that he istrustworthy, he is worth
fighting for and standing on thetruth of his scriptures.
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And I think there's a very easyinclination to just throw away
your faith when you're walkingthrough a hard time and kind of
blame it on God.
And it's in those moments wherewe have the choice to stand on
the truth of his word or turnour back on it, and I think the
hope is that this book wouldencourage people to continue to
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stand on the trustworthiness ofGod, even in the midst of the
hard.
Rebecca (41:02):
Yeah, I think that we really, like Cubbie said, hope
that they apply this concept ofthe goodness of God and his
faithfulness and that he redeemsand he makes things beautiful
and that he restores to theirown life so that they go okay,
we overcome by the blood of thelamb and the word of our
testimony.
So I've heard their testimonyand I've seen him be faithful
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there.
He's going to be faithful in mylife too and that they're
encouraged to and I feel likeCubbie was saying this to have a
lasting, ever kind ofrelationship with God where they
see God's faithfulness and theywant to stay true to him.
And they want to stay true inrelationships that they have the
courage to stick it out, evenwhen relationships with spouse
(41:44):
or family members or friends getdifficult, to really press
through the hard to the otherside.
You know my mom has often saidthat resolved conflict leads to
intimacy.
I really believe that, and soit's like pressing through those
hard times to the other sideand the payoff and the beauty
that is there.
Ellen (42:02):
Yes, well, there's no doubt in my mind that what
you're hoping readers will takeaway, they most certainly will.
And where can people go tolearn more about you guys in the
book?
Rebecca (42:17):
Uh, they can just really go to my socials.
They can go to Instagram andsearch Rebecca St James and find
, find me there, and then alsoon Facebook as well.
Cubbie's not really on socialmedia, but if you want to find
out a little bit about whatwe're up to together, probably
go to my social media.
That's the.
That's the place.
Ellen (42:35):
Okay, perfect.
Well, before we go, I have toask you some of our favorite
Bible study tool questions thatwe ask our guests.
So, what Bible is your go-toBible and what translation is it
?
Rebecca (42:50):
Uh-huh.
Well, I have a Bible actuallywhere it's a journaling Bible,
that's it.
When it's a, it's a, it's ajournaling bible, that's that's
it in when it's actually me withmy physical bible, that's what
I love.
I love to be able to kind ofjournal in the lines on the side
of, on the side of it, of thetext, and really like even put a
(43:12):
date and like god taught methis today and um really be able
to look back again at hisfaithfulness with that.
So, um, but then I I just go tothe bible app on my phone a lot
too, and I do love that.
I mean, we can even be likereading the Bible, seeing it but
then hearing it as well.
I'm really getting into hearingthe word being spoken using
(43:34):
multiple of my senses.
This is just a very recentthing for me, but seeing it,
hearing it and then journaling,so almost like a three you know,
three pronged approach to tothe Bible and like wanting to
take it in in a different way.
Right now, on my Bible app, I'mactually using the amplified
version a lot because I love howit kind of unpacks um scripture
(43:57):
in a little bit of an extra way.
Um, I can really grasp it.
So niv and the amplified iswhere I'm, where I'm sitting
right now.
What about you?
Cubbie (44:05):
um, I got a bible fairly early on in my my uh jesus
pursuit, which happened aboutmidway through high school.
Um, I remember somebody sayingthat the nrsv is the scholar's
bible, which you know made mefeel like I needed to get that.
Rebecca (44:26):
But he graduated with honors in high school and
college, so I mean it fits right.
Cubbie (44:31):
So I got a hard hardcover nrsv.
Probably it was probably 2000,.
Actually maybe like 1999, 98,99.
And that has been my Bible eversince, and it's been around the
world several times and it'sliterally being held together by
duct tape at this point.
(44:53):
But there's a lot of memories inthat Bible.
I mean, there's great kind ofstudy tools throughout the Bible
and then I've got tons of notesjust written all over it and
I've got artifacts.
I've got a porcupine quillthat's actually my bookmark that
I found on the ground in SouthAfrica.
So there's a lot of history andmemories and it's very
(45:14):
sentimental that Bible, but Ilove it, and even the way it
smells.
I mean it's just I love it.
Ellen (45:19):
It sure sounds like it.
Oh, that's amazing.
All right, do you have anyfavorite journaling supplies or
anything you like to use to?
Enhance your Bible study time.
Rebecca (45:30):
I've got actually a you know on top of my Bible that
has journal space.
I actually have been using thisjournal that's called Write the
Word and it has a scripture atthe top that is kind of set for
kind of a whole year.
You have a different scriptureeach day and then you look up
(45:53):
the scripture and you can writethat scripture and then write
what God's speaking to you outof that, so you could write
about his character or what hecalls us to or things like that,
or things that are on yourheart for today, things that
you're grateful for the date,and that has been really, really
great that I actively use thatquite a lot as well.
Yeah, so that's a journal thatis along with the scriptures for
(46:16):
me.
That is along with thescriptures for me.
Cubbie (46:19):
Yeah, something that I've been doing since I mean
kind of the beginning of thisyear is I think Rebecca found it
in a book that she was readingbut it's sort of a three section
, I mean, and it's pretty quick,but it's essentially
prayerfully considering the winsof yesterday and journaling
about those, jotting down threethings that you're grateful for
(46:40):
today and then praying throughwhat will make today great and
journaling about that.
So kind of the three, and itdoesn't take a long time.
And I've kind of oscillated inmy devotion to journaling over
the years.
There's been seasons, I've beenreally good about it and mostly
not great about journaling, butthis is digestible and it's
(47:01):
easy to do and you know it'sit's something that that is is
great because it's it's you'reremembering to be grateful, even
even in the small things, andit's you're kind of forced to
find three things that you weregrateful for today.
And and then, you know, beintentional prayerfully about
what is going to make this day awin in the eyes of the Lord.
(47:22):
So that's been a kind of a coolpractice for me.
Ellen (47:25):
That is.
That sounds really cool.
I love that.
Okay, Last question what isyour favorite app or website for
Bible study tools?
Cubbie (47:38):
I have.
I don't even know who makes it,it's literally just called Holy
Bible and it's very, very barebones, which I kind of like
about it, and because you're notgetting blasted by ads and
different things, it's literallyjust the Bible and that's all
it is, and so that I'll.
I'll go to that, you know,early in the morning, before the
light comes on, or if it's lateat night, so I don't have to
(48:02):
turn a light on.
That's generally the go-to.
Rebecca (48:03):
Yeah, I think I have the same one too, right it just
yeah, it's the holy bible appyou version, you're right yes, I
do that's you version two
Ellen (48:14):
different bible apps alright, that's so great.
Well, thank you so much forjust being with us today, for
for opening your hearts, forsharing your incredible story,
and we just appreciate you beingwith us today.
Rebecca (48:29):
Thank you for having us and thank you for reading the
book too.
We can tell that you reallyread so much of it, so thank you
, I soaked in it.
That was a big blessing.
So thanks for having us.
We really appreciate it.
Ellen (48:47):
You.
That was a big blessing.
So thanks for having us.
We really appreciate it.
You're most welcome and for ourlisteners, we hope that Rebecca
and Cubby's story hasencouraged you to embrace the
challenges that you're facingwith faith and hope.
And no matter where you are inyour journey, remember that God
is always at work, even in thehardest seasons.
God is always at work even inthe hardest seasons, and be sure
and pick up a copy of LastingEver.
We will have the link availablefor you in the show notes.
(49:08):
We love you all.
We appreciate you listening.
Have a blessed day.
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