August 13, 2024 • 45 mins
Join us as we celebrate our 50th episode of Coffee and Career Hour, where we take you on a heartfelt journey from the podcast's humble beginnings in the summer of 2021 to this milestone moment. With personal anecdotes about the initial solo episodes, challenges in editing, and the unwavering support from Armine's husband, this episode is a genuine reflection on how far we've come. We reminisce about our favorite episodes and the evolution of our content, all while expressing deep gratitude for the incredible support from our listeners.
We reflect on our top 5 episodes and explore how transitioning to more genuine, natural conversations has transformed our podcast and careers. We discuss the importance of knowing your material and letting your personality shine through. This chapter is filled with insights on overcoming initial hesitations, embracing your true self, and the power of authentic, dynamic energy in professional growth.
Through compelling anecdotes, we discuss the irreplaceable value of human interaction in career guidance and address concerns about AI taking over jobs. Additionally, we reflect on the inspiring resilience of older clients and family members, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness in making career decisions. Celebrate with us as we reflect on these rich, engaging topics and the incredible journey of Coffee and Career Hour!
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hello, hello everyone .
Welcome back to Coffee andCareer Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's weird because I feel like saying we are your
host, I'm MJ, but that's what'ssaid in the intro.
Yeah, so you've heard that.
How are you guys doing?
Oh, I wish it was like a liveconversation.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know, yeah, actually we would love to hear
from our listeners.
You guys could always send us amessage, let us know what you
think, how you feel, but wewould love to interact with you
all.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I think that's one of the one of our favorite
parts of our of our day job isinteracting with clients and
stuff like that.
So please just let us know howyou're doing, what you're liking
, what you'd like to hear or ifthere's anything interesting you
want us to continue talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, definitely.
We have so much career contentand we want to actually tailor
it to you all.
So, whatever it is you'rewanting to hear, we're happy to
develop content around that, andyou can actually reach us on
our Instagrams.
That's probably the best way.
Well, those are active, careerconfident Latina.
Yeah, and career race.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I love it, Arminia.
Congratulations On On it beingyour 50th episode of Coffee and
Career Hour.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Our 50th episode.
Yes, so exciting.
So this episode is our 50thepisode, which is insane because
I feel like we just startedthis podcast yesterday.
But 50 episodes, it's quite abit.
You know what's funny?
This reminded me when I firststarted.
I was talking to my husbandbecause he listens to a lot of
(01:55):
podcasts.
I was talking to him abouthaving him as a guest on this
podcast and he was like jokingwith me just to motivate me.
He was like after you do like25 episodes and I see that
you're committed, then I'll comeand be a guest on your podcast.
Oh my goodness.
So tonight I'm going to betelling him we did our 50th
episode and you are not invited.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I love that, I love that, but that's good.
That's good that you have amotivation, we have a motivation
to continue and it's such ahuge, it's a huge milestone in
Coffee and Career Hour, so it'sso exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It is, and in honor of our 50th episode, we kind of
want to do a recap of how thispodcast has evolved, just
reflect on the podcast overall,how we've evolved in this
process and our most popularepisodes, and just kind of do
like a fun reflective episodefor you all today.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I love it, let's do it yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So how has the podcast evolved?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, arminia, I think we should start with you,
because, my girl, you were solofor quite some time.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh my gosh, I was.
So this podcast started in 2021, specifically in the summer of
21.
And okay, so I'll tell you allthe backstory, because I
remember the first, firstepisode that I did like a trial
recording of, oh my goodness.
So the business, my career risebusiness, started in 2019.
(03:20):
End of 2019, I kind of startedthe Instagram and it was like
playing around with it and andthen the website developed, so
end of 2019.
And then 2021.
I'm like, okay, I think podcast.
I've done some workshopsalready.
By that point I had like had acouple of clients, I had done
workshops, I had switched jobsand started working at the
(03:43):
Career Center.
So I was like like, okay, it'stime for me to play around with
podcasting.
And that's when I had firstgotten into podcasting to myself
and my husband bought me themicrophone and he's supportive
of the process, right, he boughtme the microphone.
It was sitting there for awhile and he told me he was one
(04:05):
day he was like you better, likeuse this microphone, like it
was bought for you so you couldcreate this podcast, right, so I
decided to just play aroundwith it and the first episode I
recorded it was never meant tobe posted, it was just for me to
get a feel of what it's liketalking on not on camera on a
(04:26):
microphone right behind behind ascreen and and playing around
with like the apps and thedifferent things.
And how do you post a podcastand all of that.
There's so much research that Ihad done, but I remember the
very first recording.
Every time I had said like, um,or there was an awkward silence
and I'm not engaging inconversations, just me talking
(04:47):
to the microphone um, there wereso many ums and so many
different like filler words thatI wanted to cut out.
So I remember I spent like twoto three hours after the trial
recording um to clean it up anddelete, yeah, snippets.
I was like deleting snippets ofum, the filler words, and I was
(05:09):
like this part doesn'ttransition well, so let me like
cut it out and see if I can makeit transition.
You are so silly, dude, likethree hours.
And then I was drained and Iwas like I don't know if I can
do this because, like to put inthat much work for one episode,
like just three hours of editing, not to mention planning the
content and actually recordingthe content.
(05:29):
Yeah, I was like I don't knowif I can do this.
So after that I like let it sitfor a while.
Right, I let it sit and foster.
And then when I was at thecareer center doing career
counseling, every day, day in,day out, this was always on the
back of my mind.
And then eventually I finallywas like let me sit down and
(05:50):
start recording.
I tried different things, triedlike one time it was just talk
about what I'm motivated to talkabout.
One time it was like actuallywrite out a whole script, so I
have everything prepared inadvance.
Yeah, I tried all thesedifferent things.
I obviously also listened toother career podcasts to see
what topics were being.
(06:10):
You know what people like tohear and so forth.
So try it out a few differentthings.
And then in my solo episodesthere is a couple of solo
episodes that actually are partof the top five to this day I
love it.
Yeah, but I still feel reallyawkward listening to those.
I actually don't go back andlisten to them because it's so
(06:32):
weird to me to just be talkingwithout engaging in conversation
.
So I don't know how I sound inthose episodes.
But that's how Coffee andCareer Hour started.
And then I met wonderful MJ atthe UCLA Career Center and I
remember when you were sharingthat you always wanted to have a
(06:54):
blog, right, so tell ourlisteners about that and how it
all came together.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yes, Well, before I do that, I do have one question
for you.
I want to know a little bitmore and I don't mean this to
sound like an interview, buttell me about your initial goal
with it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
What was?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
your goal?
What type of?
Why did you want to start whatkind of content?
Why did you want to start apodcast?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, oh, thank you.
I love that question platformto share all the career
knowledge that I have with thegreater community and a larger
audience, because in my day jobit's only with students and, yes
, I am enthusiastic abouthelping college students, but I
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feel like there is a whole othersector of our population who is
not in college and really needsthis information.
So the whole goal of thepodcast was to make this content
more accessible to the generalpopulation and it was also
because I'm so passionate aboutthis content.
It was my like where I couldexpress myself and to not get
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into the technical side of thecareer stuff as much and talk
more about the bigger picture ofcareer counseling, career
exploration, because that stuffreally excites me and it's
important information for thegeneral population to know.
So I felt like it was a goodbalance of me having space to
share my passions and benefitingthe community at the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I love that.
I love that because our missionand our values align a lot when
it comes to this kind of stuff,so I've always appreciated
working with like-minded peopleand you know just another sign
of how you're a blessing in mylife.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh, likewise.
Well that's why when I, whenyou said oh, I've always wanted
to start a blog and for somereason, like you hadn't had that
push to do it, I was like comeon my podcast.
I literally remember theconversation.
We were working in our day jobs, yeah, we were in your office.
Yeah, we were talking about wewere doing a training for one of
(08:55):
our new staff members, that'strue, and it was during that
training where we were, ofcourse, talking about all the
same career content.
And that's when you were likeoh, this has always been a
passion of mine, and so forth,and I was like this is a good
match, so let's try it out.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I, I've always, so I think the blog idea really
came from when I was ingraduate school.
I Instagram has been in my lifesince I was in high school and
I always saw how people wouldlike post stuff.
Not just so, I think, in thethe beginning, when I started
using Instagram as like a highschool teenager, and then in
(09:30):
college it was more so like postthe better versions of yourself
or like the edited, not theedited picture.
But you know, when you have yourhair done and you look nice and
you feel good and all that kindof stuff, and it was like, very
like filed.
It was very filtered, it wasvery not raw.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I didn't.
I never really liked mypersonal Instagram for that
reason because I felt like I hadto show only my best self.
And then when I got intograduate school and I started to
notice that there were moreaccounts that were life
experiences, education, um, like, did you know this and let me
teach you that?
Or like tips and hacks andstuff like that, I fell in love
(10:10):
with that idea of being yourselfand educating like others on a
larger platform.
So when I was in grad school, Ialways wanted to do like a blog
of my experience and post it sopeople could learn and share,
and I think that comes naturallyfrom us wanting from us being
counselors.
So, and that was, for me,creating an impact, exactly what
(10:31):
you're saying, creating animpact.
And then I've always focused onlike how can I do it in the
most equitable manner?
And and I mean, a lot hashappened since then, but I've
always wanted to do it and Inever felt that I was the I had
the personality to do that,until I met you.
And it wasn't until we had thatconversation and I was like,
(10:52):
dang, if Armanay can do this andshe's doing, she has a business
, she has the Instagram, she hasa podcast I can at least do one
of those things.
Um, and it was like two in one,because that's kind of how
career confidence uh, what usedto be career confidence on
instagram now is careerconfident.
Latina grew to be and it and itwas a combination of mj's
(11:13):
personal experiences and thebusiness itself.
But now, on instagram itself,it has evolved into my own
personal blog on instagram and Ilove it.
I can see so much more ofmyself since it transitioned
rather than when it was justcareer confidence.
Um, not to get it confused thatmy business is still called
career confidence, which is socool.
(11:34):
It has a, it has a LinkedInpage, it has its own website.
I have clients veryinfrequently but they're still
there.
It's really amazing.
I've been invited to UCR andlike so much has grown and it's
all because you gave me thatpush and that spark of
inspiration.
You were the fire to my match.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I love that.
I'm so glad that I was able tokind of and it all happened,
naturally, because I saw thatyou have, you have it in you and
I think you just needed to seethat for yourself and this was
that avenue to you just neededto see that for yourself and
this was that avenue, yeah, tokind of help you see that and,
um, with that said, like both ofour uh, businesses have grown
(12:14):
so much and we've grown so muchbecause of this, yeah, this,
this platform itself, though thepodcast has really only
emphasized my, my confidence inmyself behind, behind the mic, I
mean, I can hear how much moresure I am of when I'm speaking,
and that translates into my job.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And that translates into when I'm talking to others.
It translates when I'm givingguidance and counseling.
It's so amazing how thisplatform and allowing me to
elaborate on the content weoffer has only bettered my
skills and bettered my innerconfidence.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I love that and I see that in you because for
our listeners when we firststarted it was MJ.
I remember the first meeting wehad.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know I was so structured.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So structured, came in.
Oh my gosh, armine, let's havedetailed notes of every single
thing we're going to say,because and that's how I felt
too, that's why it took me threehours to edit my very first
episode that never got postedright, because you're thinking
that, oh my gosh, this is goingout into the world and it has to
be absolutely perfect andpeople are going to listen and
(13:21):
judge and this and that, and soyou want it be top-notch.
But then what?
We've both come to realize mein my own way and you in your
own way that the more authenticyou are yeah, and actually you
also have to truly know thematerial.
Right, like to go behind ascreen or behind a microphone
and speak like.
You have to know your stuff,yeah, but as long as you
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naturally already know it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The rest, you let it flow naturally and and allow
your personality to come throughabsolutely right, but when you
plan every single word, you'renot going to be able to do that
yeah, I I want to say that therewas always been a part of me
that has hesitated a lot when itcame to this, because, if you
can piece together my journey,it hasn't been that long as a
(14:10):
full-time professional and Ifeel like my maturity makes it
sound like I've been in thefield for like 15 plus years,
but in reality I've only been inhere for less than five, so
there has always been a sense ofhesitation and like wait, am I
sure?
Or like I'm nervous, or eveneven when I meet with clients
(14:32):
for my own business, I stillfeel nerves, but at work when we
were, when we're in the officedoing whatever we need to do, I
never feel nervous anymore.
I think it only comes like whensome leadership is around or
we're doing like bigger thingsor whatever.
But you know the day to day.
Really, I have zero nerves whenit comes to our job.
So it's good, though, becauseit's challenging you in
different spaces, and I've only,I've only learned so much, not
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only from you, but just fromthis experience, and I think
that the dialogue helps a lot,because you and I naturally
bounce off of each other when wehave an idea.
It just keeps going and going.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So here it's just like 10 times that, and it's for
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, that's true, the energy.
That's why sometimes we'll havehour-long episodes and we're
like, oh my gosh, that was so.
How did a whole hour pass by,you know?
And that's what happened in thevery first time, when you came
and we were trying this out.
And then, after you left, myhusband because he was at home
he heard our whole session andus planning everything out and
(15:28):
he was like, yeah, you guys area natural, I think you guys are
going to do really well, andit's true, but it's because our
goals are aligned and our visionis aligned and we have similar
foundations and knowledge aboutthe topic we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, it's also because Armin is a badass, but
yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
So are you?
So that's how Coffee and careerhours started and the name
actually came from.
I love coffee and the wholeidea was that like we sit down
and have coffee and talk aboutcareers yeah, um, and I I
remember like bouncing aroundwith different names and ideas
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when I was first creating it.
But when I thought about thecoffee time and I think there's
a cultural component to it too,because in Armenian culture
there's a whole thing of likecome over for coffee and then
like we'll have a wholeconversation, right, so I think
that was like be underneath themeaning of it.
I love that, yeah.
So it was like coffee andcareer hour.
And then people started to likecoffee and career hour.
(16:26):
And then people started to likecompliment on the name and they
were like, oh my God, it's sucha fun name and everything, so
it really like resonated.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I love that because, in you know, as a Latina, I'm
having coffee all the time.
Yeah, I'm having cafecito allthe time, and especially at
night.
It reminds me a lot of likewhen everyone's asleep in my
house and I'm sitting there withmy mom and my grandma at the
dinner table and it's like 9 pmand we're having coffee, um,
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with like pan dulce or likeanything like a piece of toast
with peanut butter or whatever,and it reminds me of that too.
So it means I thinkunintentionally a very.
It hits home for me a lot aswell, and I mean I don't know
when there's a day when you andI don't have caffeine to do what
we need to do.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, 100% yeah, and as you're describing that scene
I think that a lot of us and alot of our listeners can relate
to, but it's like a veryintimate conversation that
usually happens around thecoffee, absolutely Right, and
for those of you who are notcoffee drinkers, it could be
around tea or whatever otherbeverage of your choice.
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But, like, the idea is that youhave these intimate
conversations, yeah, and so Ithink that's where because
career development is veryintimate, and so that's the
whole whole meaning behind allof this.
I love it, it's beautiful, yeah.
So, with that said, some of ourtop five episodes that we are
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so happy to share.
The first one is Striking theBalance Chat GPT Efficiency vs
Authenticity in Resumes andCover Letters.
Liking the balance chat GPTefficiency versus authenticity
and resumes and cover letters.
This remains to be the topepisode ever since we've
recorded it, which is so notsurprising, right?
(18:17):
Because AI is taking over ourlives, not completely, not
completely.
Yeah, ai is there, it's here,it's not going anywhere, and so
I think that, with our listeners, everybody is curious as to how
AI can help with their careerdevelopment process.
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Specifically, resumes and coverletters, especially cover
letters, tend to be reallydaunting, so it's only natural
for people to want to use AI tomake the process easier for them
, and so I think that's why thisepisode is our top rated one.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So, honestly, ai has really changed the game when it
comes to a lot of the technicalthings that you and I do for our
clients.
And I'm curious from ourlisteners if you want another
episode, or maybe like a fewepisodes, on how to use AI in
career development, whetherthat's how you job search, how
you do career exploration, howdo you prep for an interview or
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anything from there, because Ithink when you and I created no,
when you and I made thatepisode, we were both very like
no you got to be human and thisand that, and I think we've
evolved.
We've evolved over time andArmand and I have a lot of we've
had like work trainings on itas well, so it has really we
have a different opinion.
(19:44):
Yeah, so we're human beings andwe evolve, and tools and
resources and this type of stuffhas changed and you and I have
used it in different ways.
That I don't think either oneof us has expected.
I do say that I'm still askeptic because we were trained
to do this job by other humans.
So the fact that a robot, apiece of technology, can do
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parts of our job is insane, butit does allow for a lot of
efficiency when, when we'retalking about like menial things
in a job search, like writing acold email or a linkedin
message or like rewriting abullet point.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So I think both of us have kind of evolved in that
sense oh, definitely, yeah, it'sfunny because the people in my
life will joke around, joke withabout me being so against ai.
Yeah, but it's like I'll I'lljoke about it and and make it
seem more extreme than than itreally is.
But yeah, there is a componentof like us being a skeptic.
(20:38):
For that reason, someone askedme one time when I was doing a
presentation through career risefor a graduate program.
They asked me aren't you afraidthat um ai will take over your
job?
Yeah, and I said no, I'm not,because as a career counselor,
there's such a big humancomponent to helping people that
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I don't think a robot can everfill.
Yes, maybe the robot can helpwith resume writing and the
other technical aspects of thejob, but there is a need for
emotional connection.
When a client is applying to ajob and stressing out about that
, and they need that human-likesupport and validation.
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Or when they're freaking outabout their interview, or when
they're freaking out becausethey don't know how to make,
they don't know what they wantto do long-term and they need to
talk it out with someone, Idon't think a robot can ever
fill that space, that need ofvalidation, or that someone to
just like tell them.
Let's take a deep breath andit's all going to be okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
One of our students said to me once AI or ChatGPT or
whatever they were using at thetime, they're like it can help
me, like redo my bullet points,but it can't help me feel better
like you did yeah and I waslike, oh, that's how I know
robots not gonna take our job,because, you're right, there's a
human element to it where a lotof it is talking.
(22:05):
You have to talk to someone tokind of even if you know what
you want to do, like talking itout with someone and saying, hey
, like it's like having asounding board, it helps you
really come up with differentideas or more clarity or figure
out something that you'remissing.
So I again, I agree with you,I'm not really nervous that
we're gonna go away oh yeah, Ican't tell you.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
There's countless times where we'll have a client
who oh yeah, I can't tell you.
There's countless times wherewe'll have a client who comes in
and it's not like we give themthis whole new idea of like what
they need to be doing, evenlike step by step process.
They've already been doing whatthey should be doing, but they
feel a lot better after talkingto us because they're able to
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get things off their chest andlike get someone to either
validate them or questionsomething or challenge them on
something, but overall it's notlike they haven't been doing the
right steps already.
You know so there's many timesthat that happens too in a
career counseling session, whereit's just a matter of like you
talking it out and just feelingbetter.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Even if you're not, there's nothing new that you
you're gonna go and implementafter that session I agree, even
because it's pure validationand reassurance that hey, I am,
I do want to do what I want todo and I I was thinking about
this the right way and that's Idon't think something that ever,
like someone who's not engagingin conversation with you, will
ever be able to give you thatvalidation.
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Now, the people who sit behindcomputer screens all day, maybe,
but the normal average peoplewill need someone like us.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.
But all that to say that AI ishere to stay and it will
continue to evolve.
And I actually saw a statistictoday that AI is going to add
like over 20,000 jobs in the jobmarket by 2025.
Wow, right, isn't that insane?
So the job market is going toevolve so much too.
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There's going to be a lot ofpositions that will no longer
exist and a lot of new positionsthat we can't even imagine
right now, until AI is, like,ready to take over.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, they're like implementing it in phones and
stuff already for to come out,like this year.
It's insane.
I think, like one of the googleor pixel phones already has
like and it's what in the world?
That's insane.
I just worry.
I worry a lot about the oldergeneration, and I say that just
having my dad call me today andnot know how to fill out like a,
a medical assessment, like andit was as easy as like just
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click whatever questionnairething.
And I'm like can you imaginelike these human beings, the
older generation, who's not usedto this technology, navigating
this complicated world?
Well, we're able to stillnavigate it and process it, but
but not them, I don't know.
I thought about that today withhim it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, there's gonna be so many new aspects for us
too that, like, the youngergeneration is gonna pick up on a
lot faster than us, because,like, wasn't it in a recent uh
workshop that you were saying,like we're still the google
generation, where we google Ilove that.
That is so on point, becauseliterally we still google stuff,
but then we have our studentsor gen zers, who are like fresh
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out of high school, coming intocollege and they're not googling
the way we do, they're usingchat, gpt or other types of
software.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's funny because I'll now use the, the verb like
you're, chat gpt or ai um, whichis insane.
Yeah, because that's whatthey're doing.
And then some of them will lookat me like no, I'm not.
And I'm like yes, you are, yes,you are, I know you are.
I love it, though.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I love acknowledging it because it normalizes it for
them because a lot of them mightthink like, oh, they shouldn't
know it's a bad thing becauseyou shouldn't use it for like
class, I mean like to write yourpapers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
But when it comes to career things, for the technical
things and aspects of it, wehave a different opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, and it's going to evolve as AI evolves
too, and as we all learn moreabout it and how to use it and
how it can be beneficial.
It's going to evolve.
But I was watching a show.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
If any of you have watched it, it's called abbott
elementary.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Have you seen it?
No, but I've been told to watchit.
It's a really good show.
If you like the education, ifyou're in the education system
or you enjoy it.
Yeah, if you enjoy that kind ofum setting it, it's actually a
really good show.
So I was watching it and it wasfunny because these teachers
they were talking about one ofthem sends a newsletter and the
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people who respond to him, asco-workers, they used AI to send
a thank you.
And he was so upset because hewas like I put hours into my
newsletter to send you guys allthis, like you know, this whole
email that I've written up andyou don't even take the time to
like, write me a thank youresponse, you're gonna use ai to
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write me a thank you response.
He was so upset about that.
I thought it was hilarious, um,because it's true, like people
use ai for email generating andthings like that, and it could,
yes, make our job a little biteasier and make our allow us to
be more efficient with our time.
But then, like, where is thatfine line?
Right?
Because if you're writing anemail, there should still be a
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component of like humanity whereyou connect with the other
person on the other end.
So I guess it depends on thecontext and the situation, but
there is a fine line too, Ithink, of where you should stop
using it yeah, I agree, dang,that's hilarious yeah, lots to
think about, though, in terms ofai and how that that is
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evolving, but as two counselorshere who are learning more about
it, um, our approach definitelyhas shifted a little bit since
we've recorded that episode.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, I'd be excited to hear a new one.
Yeah, let us know if that'ssomething that interests you.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, let us know, Go on our Instagram, send us a
message or reach out on ourwebsite.
Either of us and we would behappy to record an episode if
this is something you all wantto hear about, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
All right, what's our second top episode?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh, my goodness.
So the second one is one of thesolo ones that I did back early
on.
This is episode 10 coffee andcareer hour.
Was a baby at that time?
The number one people problempeople face when making a career
decision.
What is it?
Armena tell us that episode wasall about self-awareness and
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the number one people thatpeople number one.
What is it?
Armanay Tell us, external noiseas opposed to taking the time
to like, look internally andreally learn about themselves
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and identify what their valuesare or, my favorite question,
what problems they want to solvein the world.
Yeah, skipping that and movingto external factors, and that
takes away the depth of likemaking the right career decision
that's aligned with youabsolutely long story short.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
If you don't know who you are, you don't know what
you want yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Um one of our other counselors.
I was presenting with her todayand she said self-awareness, or
self-knowledge, is the firststep to wisdom, or like the
foundation to wisdom, and I lovethat and I love that?
Yeah, it really is Like if youwant to have wisdom, the first
thing is you got to know aboutyourself.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's so funny.
I was supporting someone today,interview prep, and we're
talking about, like innerconfidence, and I said, well, if
you don't have that in you, Idon't think you can present that
.
You can't fake that.
Yeah, and you have to know whatyou're walking into and why
you're.
You know the best candidate orwhy this and why that.
And I was like, for example,myself, like I knew for this
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interview who I was coming into,what skills I was going to
bring.
Yes, of course I was nervouseveryone's always nervous um,
but I had that confidence andand and it works like it.
Not it works like if it wassomething I could turn on and
turn off, but you know what Imean.
Like it is something that youhave to have and and
self-discovery, self-knowledge,self-awareness is the biggest
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part and for me, I alwaysbelieve that that bleeds into
the other phases of careerdevelopment.
It doesn't stop and you don'tmove on to the next.
It's always happening becauseyou're constantly learning about
who you are and what you wantand who you want to be.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah for sure.
And the thing about confidencethat I've learned is that it has
its ebbs and flows.
It's not like you becomeconfident and then that's it.
You're confident forever, andlife is amazing.
There will be times whereyou're still you question
yourself.
I mean, happens to us regularly.
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You know, even in the work thatwe do as much as we are
confident in our knowledge orour skills and our abilities and
as much as we love what we do,there will be days and projects
and challenges that we face thatmake us question ourselves, and
that's that's part of thatself-reflection and
self-awareness process is liketaking a step back and like, ooh
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, why am I doubting myself inthis situation?
Right, and reflecting on thatand going from there.
So, with all that said, thatmessage remains true and
probably will always remain truein the realm of career
counseling is like the firststep is knowing yourself, and if
you skip that step, then thatis one of the problems you're
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facing and making a an alignedcareer decision.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, I agree, and you're big on that, which is why
I loved observing Armine when Ifirst started.
It was just beautiful careercounseling.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh, thank you, I love it.
Yeah, I do.
I really do love talking aboutthat stuff, please please go
have a career session with her.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Even if you know what you're doing, you don't Go see
Armin and she'll clarify it foryou.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I love it.
Thank you.
Yes, I would be happy to guidethat conversation with anyone.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
All right, my dear.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Number three Drum roll.
Number three is being yourauthentic self at work, which is
so cool because this was ourvery first episode together.
I love it.
Yes, this happened in 2022,when you joined Coffee and
Career Hour in January, no, 2023.
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January 23 January, my bad, yes, 23 January and it is episode
11 this one, oh man, this one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think by this time you all knew Armin A and for new
listeners, if you haven'tlistened to it, please go.
It is such a good likewholesome get to know you and I
and our personalities and wherewe come from.
And I talked a lot about beinga first first gen Latina and
what that meant to me and how Ibring my whole self to work, but
that's something I had to growinto, not something that I
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naturally came into.
So definitely that one I love alot and I I'm honestly I should
go back and listen to it,because I'm pretty sure that we
both have changed a lot sincelast year.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, we should, we should.
That's like a year and a halfago, so yes, but it is a very
wholesome episode and I thinkthat if you want to get to know
us a little bit better and whywe do what we do, I think this
episode really answers thatquestion.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, absolutely, I love that yes.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And then the next one , which is number four, is
conquering fear and manifestingyour dream career through growth
mindset.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
This one, I want to say, is your favorite, is one of
your favorites because this iswhere Arminie got to tell us all
about manifestation and what itmeans and all of the different
things, and she's such a hardmanifester.
Oh, everything I've learnedI've learned from her oh my gosh
, you're so cute.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
But yes, I mean, I love that episode because it we
also talked about growth mindsetand that is like the foundation
of what we do.
One of the foundations of whatwe do with our, in our work with
clients and students, ishelping people see that failure
is not really failure, likefailure is part of growth and
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that every step you take, evenif it's a step back, it's going
to propel you two steps forward.
So it's really kind of talkingabout using this kind of growth
mindset to manifest or reachyour career goals and not
letting setbacks discourage youfrom your goals.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Absolutely, growth mindset is something you should
implement at all stages of yourlife.
It really goes hand in handwhen we say career and life
development.
Growth mindset is there throughthe thick and thin.
I recently was in a meetingwhere they talked about how this
is how they looked at life,with the Lend of Growth mindset
and how each experience, eachday is something to learn,
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something new, and I thoughtthat was so beautiful because
it's so like open to newexperiences, new situations from
all different perspectives.
So, go listen to it.
You'll definitely feel a lotbetter.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, I love it.
And anytime I work with someonelike a client and it's usually,
I will say it's usually myolder students or clients they
really the ones who have facedso many challenges.
Actually, there's one clientthat I had worked with recently
that you you know of MJ, that Ihad worked with recently, that
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you know of MJ.
I literally get emotional everytime I work with this client
because they have had so manyups and downs in their life and
so many challenges, even fromimmigrating to a different
country and corruption andfamily problems and so many
different things and that personis still not discouraged.
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They are about to embark on anew educational journey and go
above and beyond what they'veever dreamt of doing and they
don't let any setback discouragethem.
So it's usually the olderstudents or clients that I work
with that demonstrate the skilland I think I always get
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emotional or feel some type ofway because I get inspired by
them.
And even myself, having anunderstanding of all of this, I
still would say that I need towork on having a growth mindset
myself.
I'm still learning to developthat skill set.
I know what it is and Iunderstand the importance of it,
but I'm still learning it, butwhen I see it in people who have
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a lot more life experience, itinspires me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's funny because I think of when I think of growth
mindset.
One of the people I think aboutis my grandma and how much she
has she's.
She's like a resilient humanregardless, but I always think
of how she immigrated to a newcountry.
Well, when she was in elsalvador, she went to this like
organization to get a job andshe had no idea and she was open
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to then coming to america.
And then she came to america,literally had no idea where she
was gonna stay or sleep or eator do anything, and just kept.
Every day was a new experiencethat she learned from, and all
of the triumphs andaccomplishments and I don't want
to call them failures, butlearning lessons, yeah, they've
only have made her better at whoshe is as a human being and
absolutely she knows exactly whoshe is and that's where she
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gets all her wisdom from tooyeah, oh, there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
She's a prime example , but it's always.
It's always those folks who aremore experienced in life, who
have left their whole,everything they know in their
country, left it back and waslike I will figure it out when I
get there, and whatever stepbacks they face in the new
country does not discourage themfrom trying harder to make it
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in this new country.
It's always the people who havetaken that leap of faith and
like move to a new country.
Sometimes I think about, likeif I'm in middle age and if I
were to move to a whole newcountry where I didn't know the
language or anything and mydegree meant nothing over there,
would I be able to do somethinglike that?
And then I think about how myparents did that.
(38:11):
Started from scratch whilehaving three kids to raise.
Can you imagine?
I really don't know how theydid it.
We should interview your mom.
Yeah, I know right, let's justbring our parents, Bring your
grandma.
I love that.
Yeah, and it's these kinds oflife experiences I think that
help people develop that growthmindset, Whereas when you're a
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little bit younger and like,especially if you're following
all the right steps, yougraduate from school and then
you get a job or you go tocollege and then you go to grad
school.
It's like you haven't reallyfaced big challenges or haven't
had leaps of faith where you hadto really truly embrace growth
mindset to be able to survive.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I always think of um.
My mom always tells me about astory about when she um was very
young and she and she waseither choosing to like stay
here in LA, um with my grandmaor go to San Francisco with the
family.
My mom's a nanny and ahousekeeper and at the time she
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was taking care I think her bosswas pregnant or or had a small
child and they were likeoffering her to take her over
there and have her go to collegeand give her a better life and
have her live with them and allthese wonderful things.
And I always think of thatsituation and how resilient and
what, what the choices my mommade and how she's grown from
that as a human and how now shereflects on it in different
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perspectives that she has.
So it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, so amazing.
So these topics inspire us, asyou can all hear um even, and no
matter how much we talk aboutit, we still get inspired when
we see people who really embraceand are able to live these
skill sets.
You know they're not easy to do.
I love that All right.
The last but not least, top fiveepisodes, so this is the fifth.
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One is called Own your Shit andthis is also one of the solo
ones.
This is episode seven and thisone is all about imposter
syndrome.
So I talk about actually, mjand I have an episode together
on imposter syndrome as well, sowe revisit it together in a
dialogue, but when I firstintroduced it in the podcast is
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in the solo episode and talkabout all about what imposter
syndrome is and how it shapesour experiences and really the
importance of asking yourselfthese questions, reflecting on
on these aspects of what stopsyou from taking that leap of
faith, what stops you fromtaking action, moving forward,
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how you can own those limitingbeliefs and understand, like,
okay, this belief is limiting mefrom taking a step forward
toward my goals.
Right, so that we all have thoseimposter syndromes, but to not
allow those to hinder ourprogress.
Right, and that's the key here,because I don't think anyone
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can ever like just completelylet go of all their limiting
beliefs.
You know that's just naturally.
As part of human beings, we'reall going to have them, based on
our upbringing, our culture,our society.
Whatever messages we're gettingfrom the external world, it's
always going to cause us to havelimiting beliefs, but it's that
ability to not allow it tohinder our progress.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But it's that ability to not allow it to hinder our
progress.
Imposter syndrome man, I feelimposter syndrome all the time.
I think, no matter the amountof confidence that I can share
or that I exude or that peopletell me that I bring.
I do experience impostersyndrome very frequently and I
think it's something importantto talk about.
And just like how we're talkingabout confidence ebbs and flows
, so it is imposter syndromevery frequently and I think it's
something important to talkabout.
And just like how we're talkingabout confidence ebbs and flows
(41:52):
, so it is imposter syndrome andthe way you feel in everyday
life, like Armin and I arealways learning something new,
right, so it really does changethe game.
And I think it's somethingwhere it's very internal.
It is extremely internal andit's sometimes an internal
battle with yourself and whereyou believe your capabilities
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are.
And that goes into a wholeself-efficacy discussion which
we can have maybe later.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, there's an episode on self-efficacy too.
I think it's one of the soloepisodes.
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And it's such a great , I don't know.
For me, imposter syndrome issomething that can be very
hindering to someone, but it'salso something that when you
take a step forward in thatdirection of I don't want to say
not necessarily beating it,because it's always there, but
healing it and growing from itit really is a beautiful know
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it's so deep, these beliefs areso ingrained in how we see
ourselves that it's not easy tofight those battles.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know they really run deep.
And so to be able to work onthat, find awareness in that and
then not let it hinder you, islike that strength, that
strength and resilience rightthere.
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I love it.
So these are our top fiveepisodes uh, over the course of
three years.
At this point, oh my goodnessthree years, yeah, because this
started in summer of 2021.
So, uh, 50 episodes in.
We love every single episodewe've recorded.
Yeah, very proud very proud yes, and we've, we've.
I hope that you can all hear theenjoyment in our discussions
(43:40):
and our tone and the way that webecause we're always smiling
when we're recording thesepodcasts and even though it's
not video podcasts, um, itusually you can hear the smile
in people's voices absolutelyvery exciting stuff.
So we appreciate.
We are so grateful for ourlisteners.
We have our, our community oflisteners who are always there
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like hardcore.
We know.
We know the certain number ofpeople that always listen to our
episode that first day that itposts yeah, literally that by
that evening there is always thesame exact number of listeners
because you guys are ourhardcore or like og community.
So we love you, we appreciateyou.
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We really do want to hear fromyou all on either what you're
experiencing in this podcast orwhat topics you would like to
hear, or just overall yourreactions, because this is all
for you guys.
So let us know so we canactually cater even more topics
to you all and continue to buildthis community together.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Absolutely.
Don't be afraid to pick ourbrains, and we'll love to hear
from you soon.
See you in the next one.
Hello, hello everyone .
Welcome back to Coffee andCareer Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's weird because I feel like saying we are your
host, I'm MJ, but that's what'ssaid in the intro.
Yeah, so you've heard that.
How are you guys doing?
Oh, I wish it was like a liveconversation.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know, yeah, actually we would love to hear
from our listeners.
You guys could always send us amessage, let us know what you
think, how you feel, but wewould love to interact with you
all.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, I think that's one of the one of our favorite
parts of our of our day job isinteracting with clients and
stuff like that.
So please just let us know howyou're doing, what you're liking
, what you'd like to hear or ifthere's anything interesting you
want us to continue talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, definitely.
We have so much career contentand we want to actually tailor
it to you all.
So, whatever it is you'rewanting to hear, we're happy to
develop content around that, andyou can actually reach us on
our Instagrams.
That's probably the best way.
Well, those are active, careerconfident Latina.
Yeah, and career race.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I love it, Arminia.
Congratulations On On it beingyour 50th episode of Coffee and
Career Hour.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Our 50th episode.
Yes, so exciting.
So this episode is our 50thepisode, which is insane because
I feel like we just startedthis podcast yesterday.
But 50 episodes, it's quite abit.
You know what's funny?
This reminded me when I firststarted.
I was talking to my husbandbecause he listens to a lot of
(01:55):
podcasts.
I was talking to him abouthaving him as a guest on this
podcast and he was like jokingwith me just to motivate me.
He was like after you do like25 episodes and I see that
you're committed, then I'll comeand be a guest on your podcast.
Oh my goodness.
So tonight I'm going to betelling him we did our 50th
episode and you are not invited.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I love that, I love that, but that's good.
That's good that you have amotivation, we have a motivation
to continue and it's such ahuge, it's a huge milestone in
Coffee and Career Hour, so it'sso exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It is, and in honor of our 50th episode, we kind of
want to do a recap of how thispodcast has evolved, just
reflect on the podcast overall,how we've evolved in this
process and our most popularepisodes, and just kind of do
like a fun reflective episodefor you all today.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I love it, let's do it yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So how has the podcast evolved?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, arminia, I think we should start with you,
because, my girl, you were solofor quite some time.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh my gosh, I was.
So this podcast started in 2021, specifically in the summer of
21.
And okay, so I'll tell you allthe backstory, because I
remember the first, firstepisode that I did like a trial
recording of, oh my goodness.
So the business, my career risebusiness, started in 2019.
(03:20):
End of 2019, I kind of startedthe Instagram and it was like
playing around with it and andthen the website developed, so
end of 2019.
And then 2021.
I'm like, okay, I think podcast.
I've done some workshopsalready.
By that point I had like had acouple of clients, I had done
workshops, I had switched jobsand started working at the
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Career Center.
So I was like like, okay, it'stime for me to play around with
podcasting.
And that's when I had firstgotten into podcasting to myself
and my husband bought me themicrophone and he's supportive
of the process, right, he boughtme the microphone.
It was sitting there for awhile and he told me he was one
(04:05):
day he was like you better, likeuse this microphone, like it
was bought for you so you couldcreate this podcast, right, so I
decided to just play aroundwith it and the first episode I
recorded it was never meant tobe posted, it was just for me to
get a feel of what it's liketalking on not on camera on a
(04:26):
microphone right behind behind ascreen and and playing around
with like the apps and thedifferent things.
And how do you post a podcastand all of that.
There's so much research that Ihad done, but I remember the
very first recording.
Every time I had said like, um,or there was an awkward silence
and I'm not engaging inconversations, just me talking
(04:47):
to the microphone um, there wereso many ums and so many
different like filler words thatI wanted to cut out.
So I remember I spent like twoto three hours after the trial
recording um to clean it up anddelete, yeah, snippets.
I was like deleting snippets ofum, the filler words, and I was
(05:09):
like this part doesn'ttransition well, so let me like
cut it out and see if I can makeit transition.
You are so silly, dude, likethree hours.
And then I was drained and Iwas like I don't know if I can
do this because, like to put inthat much work for one episode,
like just three hours of editing, not to mention planning the
content and actually recordingthe content.
(05:29):
Yeah, I was like I don't knowif I can do this.
So after that I like let it sitfor a while.
Right, I let it sit and foster.
And then when I was at thecareer center doing career
counseling, every day, day in,day out, this was always on the
back of my mind.
And then eventually I finallywas like let me sit down and
(05:50):
start recording.
I tried different things, triedlike one time it was just talk
about what I'm motivated to talkabout.
One time it was like actuallywrite out a whole script, so I
have everything prepared inadvance.
Yeah, I tried all thesedifferent things.
I obviously also listened toother career podcasts to see
what topics were being.
(06:10):
You know what people like tohear and so forth.
So try it out a few differentthings.
And then in my solo episodesthere is a couple of solo
episodes that actually are partof the top five to this day I
love it.
Yeah, but I still feel reallyawkward listening to those.
I actually don't go back andlisten to them because it's so
(06:32):
weird to me to just be talkingwithout engaging in conversation
.
So I don't know how I sound inthose episodes.
But that's how Coffee andCareer Hour started.
And then I met wonderful MJ atthe UCLA Career Center and I
remember when you were sharingthat you always wanted to have a
(06:54):
blog, right, so tell ourlisteners about that and how it
all came together.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yes, Well, before I do that, I do have one question
for you.
I want to know a little bitmore and I don't mean this to
sound like an interview, buttell me about your initial goal
with it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
What was?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
your goal?
What type of?
Why did you want to start whatkind of content?
Why did you want to start apodcast?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, oh, thank you.
I love that question platformto share all the career
knowledge that I have with thegreater community and a larger
audience, because in my day jobit's only with students and, yes
, I am enthusiastic abouthelping college students, but I
(07:38):
feel like there is a whole othersector of our population who is
not in college and really needsthis information.
So the whole goal of thepodcast was to make this content
more accessible to the generalpopulation and it was also
because I'm so passionate aboutthis content.
It was my like where I couldexpress myself and to not get
(08:02):
into the technical side of thecareer stuff as much and talk
more about the bigger picture ofcareer counseling, career
exploration, because that stuffreally excites me and it's
important information for thegeneral population to know.
So I felt like it was a goodbalance of me having space to
share my passions and benefitingthe community at the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I love that.
I love that because our missionand our values align a lot when
it comes to this kind of stuff,so I've always appreciated
working with like-minded peopleand you know just another sign
of how you're a blessing in mylife.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh, likewise.
Well that's why when I, whenyou said oh, I've always wanted
to start a blog and for somereason, like you hadn't had that
push to do it, I was like comeon my podcast.
I literally remember theconversation.
We were working in our day jobs, yeah, we were in your office.
Yeah, we were talking about wewere doing a training for one of
(08:55):
our new staff members, that'strue, and it was during that
training where we were, ofcourse, talking about all the
same career content.
And that's when you were likeoh, this has always been a
passion of mine, and so forth,and I was like this is a good
match, so let's try it out.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I, I've always, so I think the blog idea really
came from when I was ingraduate school.
I Instagram has been in my lifesince I was in high school and
I always saw how people wouldlike post stuff.
Not just so, I think, in thethe beginning, when I started
using Instagram as like a highschool teenager, and then in
(09:30):
college it was more so like postthe better versions of yourself
or like the edited, not theedited picture.
But you know, when you have yourhair done and you look nice and
you feel good and all that kindof stuff, and it was like, very
like filed.
It was very filtered, it wasvery not raw.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I didn't.
I never really liked mypersonal Instagram for that
reason because I felt like I hadto show only my best self.
And then when I got intograduate school and I started to
notice that there were moreaccounts that were life
experiences, education, um, like, did you know this and let me
teach you that?
Or like tips and hacks andstuff like that, I fell in love
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with that idea of being yourselfand educating like others on a
larger platform.
So when I was in grad school, Ialways wanted to do like a blog
of my experience and post it sopeople could learn and share,
and I think that comes naturallyfrom us wanting from us being
counselors.
So, and that was, for me,creating an impact, exactly what
(10:31):
you're saying, creating animpact.
And then I've always focused onlike how can I do it in the
most equitable manner?
And and I mean, a lot hashappened since then, but I've
always wanted to do it and Inever felt that I was the I had
the personality to do that,until I met you.
And it wasn't until we had thatconversation and I was like,
(10:52):
dang, if Armanay can do this andshe's doing, she has a business
, she has the Instagram, she hasa podcast I can at least do one
of those things.
Um, and it was like two in one,because that's kind of how
career confidence uh, what usedto be career confidence on
instagram now is careerconfident.
Latina grew to be and it and itwas a combination of mj's
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personal experiences and thebusiness itself.
But now, on instagram itself,it has evolved into my own
personal blog on instagram and Ilove it.
I can see so much more ofmyself since it transitioned
rather than when it was justcareer confidence.
Um, not to get it confused thatmy business is still called
career confidence, which is socool.
(11:34):
It has a, it has a LinkedInpage, it has its own website.
I have clients veryinfrequently but they're still
there.
It's really amazing.
I've been invited to UCR andlike so much has grown and it's
all because you gave me thatpush and that spark of
inspiration.
You were the fire to my match.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I love that.
I'm so glad that I was able tokind of and it all happened,
naturally, because I saw thatyou have, you have it in you and
I think you just needed to seethat for yourself and this was
that avenue to you just neededto see that for yourself and
this was that avenue, yeah, tokind of help you see that and,
um, with that said, like both ofour uh, businesses have grown
(12:14):
so much and we've grown so muchbecause of this, yeah, this,
this platform itself, though thepodcast has really only
emphasized my, my confidence inmyself behind, behind the mic, I
mean, I can hear how much moresure I am of when I'm speaking,
and that translates into my job.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And that translates into when I'm talking to others.
It translates when I'm givingguidance and counseling.
It's so amazing how thisplatform and allowing me to
elaborate on the content weoffer has only bettered my
skills and bettered my innerconfidence.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, I love that and I see that in you because for
our listeners when we firststarted it was MJ.
I remember the first meeting wehad.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I know I was so structured.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So structured, came in.
Oh my gosh, armine, let's havedetailed notes of every single
thing we're going to say,because and that's how I felt
too, that's why it took me threehours to edit my very first
episode that never got postedright, because you're thinking
that, oh my gosh, this is goingout into the world and it has to
be absolutely perfect andpeople are going to listen and
(13:21):
judge and this and that, and soyou want it be top-notch.
But then what?
We've both come to realize mein my own way and you in your
own way that the more authenticyou are yeah, and actually you
also have to truly know thematerial.
Right, like to go behind ascreen or behind a microphone
and speak like.
You have to know your stuff,yeah, but as long as you
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naturally already know it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
The rest, you let it flow naturally and and allow
your personality to come throughabsolutely right, but when you
plan every single word, you'renot going to be able to do that
yeah, I I want to say that therewas always been a part of me
that has hesitated a lot when itcame to this, because, if you
can piece together my journey,it hasn't been that long as a
(14:10):
full-time professional and Ifeel like my maturity makes it
sound like I've been in thefield for like 15 plus years,
but in reality I've only been inhere for less than five, so
there has always been a sense ofhesitation and like wait, am I
sure?
Or like I'm nervous, or eveneven when I meet with clients
(14:32):
for my own business, I stillfeel nerves, but at work when we
were, when we're in the officedoing whatever we need to do, I
never feel nervous anymore.
I think it only comes like whensome leadership is around or
we're doing like bigger thingsor whatever.
But you know the day to day.
Really, I have zero nerves whenit comes to our job.
So it's good, though, becauseit's challenging you in
different spaces, and I've only,I've only learned so much, not
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only from you, but just fromthis experience, and I think
that the dialogue helps a lot,because you and I naturally
bounce off of each other when wehave an idea.
It just keeps going and going.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So here it's just like 10 times that, and it's for
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, that's true, the energy.
That's why sometimes we'll havehour-long episodes and we're
like, oh my gosh, that was so.
How did a whole hour pass by,you know?
And that's what happened in thevery first time, when you came
and we were trying this out.
And then, after you left, myhusband because he was at home
he heard our whole session andus planning everything out and
(15:28):
he was like, yeah, you guys area natural, I think you guys are
going to do really well, andit's true, but it's because our
goals are aligned and our visionis aligned and we have similar
foundations and knowledge aboutthe topic we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, it's also because Armin is a badass, but
yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
So are you?
So that's how Coffee and careerhours started and the name
actually came from.
I love coffee and the wholeidea was that like we sit down
and have coffee and talk aboutcareers yeah, um, and I I
remember like bouncing aroundwith different names and ideas
(16:06):
when I was first creating it.
But when I thought about thecoffee time and I think there's
a cultural component to it too,because in Armenian culture
there's a whole thing of likecome over for coffee and then
like we'll have a wholeconversation, right, so I think
that was like be underneath themeaning of it.
I love that, yeah.
So it was like coffee andcareer hour.
And then people started to likecoffee and career hour.
(16:26):
And then people started to likecompliment on the name and they
were like, oh my God, it's sucha fun name and everything, so
it really like resonated.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I love that because, in you know, as a Latina, I'm
having coffee all the time.
Yeah, I'm having cafecito allthe time, and especially at
night.
It reminds me a lot of likewhen everyone's asleep in my
house and I'm sitting there withmy mom and my grandma at the
dinner table and it's like 9 pmand we're having coffee, um,
(16:54):
with like pan dulce or likeanything like a piece of toast
with peanut butter or whatever,and it reminds me of that too.
So it means I thinkunintentionally a very.
It hits home for me a lot aswell, and I mean I don't know
when there's a day when you andI don't have caffeine to do what
we need to do.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, 100% yeah, and as you're describing that scene
I think that a lot of us and alot of our listeners can relate
to, but it's like a veryintimate conversation that
usually happens around thecoffee, absolutely Right, and
for those of you who are notcoffee drinkers, it could be
around tea or whatever otherbeverage of your choice.
(17:34):
But, like, the idea is that youhave these intimate
conversations, yeah, and so Ithink that's where because
career development is veryintimate, and so that's the
whole whole meaning behind allof this.
I love it, it's beautiful, yeah.
So, with that said, some of ourtop five episodes that we are
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so happy to share.
The first one is Striking theBalance Chat GPT Efficiency vs
Authenticity in Resumes andCover Letters.
Liking the balance chat GPTefficiency versus authenticity
and resumes and cover letters.
This remains to be the topepisode ever since we've
recorded it, which is so notsurprising, right?
(18:17):
Because AI is taking over ourlives, not completely, not
completely.
Yeah, ai is there, it's here,it's not going anywhere, and so
I think that, with our listeners, everybody is curious as to how
AI can help with their careerdevelopment process.
(18:39):
Specifically, resumes and coverletters, especially cover
letters, tend to be reallydaunting, so it's only natural
for people to want to use AI tomake the process easier for them
, and so I think that's why thisepisode is our top rated one.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So, honestly, ai has really changed the game when it
comes to a lot of the technicalthings that you and I do for our
clients.
And I'm curious from ourlisteners if you want another
episode, or maybe like a fewepisodes, on how to use AI in
career development, whetherthat's how you job search, how
you do career exploration, howdo you prep for an interview or
(19:24):
anything from there, because Ithink when you and I created no,
when you and I made thatepisode, we were both very like
no you got to be human and thisand that, and I think we've
evolved.
We've evolved over time andArmand and I have a lot of we've
had like work trainings on itas well, so it has really we
have a different opinion.
(19:44):
Yeah, so we're human beings andwe evolve, and tools and
resources and this type of stuffhas changed and you and I have
used it in different ways.
That I don't think either oneof us has expected.
I do say that I'm still askeptic because we were trained
to do this job by other humans.
So the fact that a robot, apiece of technology, can do
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parts of our job is insane, butit does allow for a lot of
efficiency when, when we'retalking about like menial things
in a job search, like writing acold email or a linkedin
message or like rewriting abullet point.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So I think both of us have kind of evolved in that
sense oh, definitely, yeah, it'sfunny because the people in my
life will joke around, joke withabout me being so against ai.
Yeah, but it's like I'll I'lljoke about it and and make it
seem more extreme than than itreally is.
But yeah, there is a componentof like us being a skeptic.
(20:38):
For that reason, someone askedme one time when I was doing a
presentation through career risefor a graduate program.
They asked me aren't you afraidthat um ai will take over your
job?
Yeah, and I said no, I'm not,because as a career counselor,
there's such a big humancomponent to helping people that
(21:00):
I don't think a robot can everfill.
Yes, maybe the robot can helpwith resume writing and the
other technical aspects of thejob, but there is a need for
emotional connection.
When a client is applying to ajob and stressing out about that
, and they need that human-likesupport and validation.
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Or when they're freaking outabout their interview, or when
they're freaking out becausethey don't know how to make,
they don't know what they wantto do long-term and they need to
talk it out with someone, Idon't think a robot can ever
fill that space, that need ofvalidation, or that someone to
just like tell them.
Let's take a deep breath andit's all going to be okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
One of our students said to me once AI or ChatGPT or
whatever they were using at thetime, they're like it can help
me, like redo my bullet points,but it can't help me feel better
like you did yeah and I waslike, oh, that's how I know
robots not gonna take our job,because, you're right, there's a
human element to it where a lotof it is talking.
(22:05):
You have to talk to someone tokind of even if you know what
you want to do, like talking itout with someone and saying, hey
, like it's like having asounding board, it helps you
really come up with differentideas or more clarity or figure
out something that you'remissing.
So I again, I agree with you,I'm not really nervous that
we're gonna go away oh yeah, Ican't tell you.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
There's countless times where we'll have a client
who oh yeah, I can't tell you.
There's countless times wherewe'll have a client who comes in
and it's not like we give themthis whole new idea of like what
they need to be doing, evenlike step by step process.
They've already been doing whatthey should be doing, but they
feel a lot better after talkingto us because they're able to
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get things off their chest andlike get someone to either
validate them or questionsomething or challenge them on
something, but overall it's notlike they haven't been doing the
right steps already.
You know so there's many timesthat that happens too in a
career counseling session, whereit's just a matter of like you
talking it out and just feelingbetter.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Even if you're not, there's nothing new that you
you're gonna go and implementafter that session I agree, even
because it's pure validationand reassurance that hey, I am,
I do want to do what I want todo and I I was thinking about
this the right way and that's Idon't think something that ever,
like someone who's not engagingin conversation with you, will
ever be able to give you thatvalidation.
(23:28):
Now, the people who sit behindcomputer screens all day, maybe,
but the normal average peoplewill need someone like us.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.
But all that to say that AI ishere to stay and it will
continue to evolve.
And I actually saw a statistictoday that AI is going to add
like over 20,000 jobs in the jobmarket by 2025.
Wow, right, isn't that insane?
So the job market is going toevolve so much too.
(23:56):
There's going to be a lot ofpositions that will no longer
exist and a lot of new positionsthat we can't even imagine
right now, until AI is, like,ready to take over.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, they're like implementing it in phones and
stuff already for to come out,like this year.
It's insane.
I think, like one of the googleor pixel phones already has
like and it's what in the world?
That's insane.
I just worry.
I worry a lot about the oldergeneration, and I say that just
having my dad call me today andnot know how to fill out like a,
a medical assessment, like andit was as easy as like just
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click whatever questionnairething.
And I'm like can you imaginelike these human beings, the
older generation, who's not usedto this technology, navigating
this complicated world?
Well, we're able to stillnavigate it and process it, but
but not them, I don't know.
I thought about that today withhim it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, there's gonna be so many new aspects for us
too that, like, the youngergeneration is gonna pick up on a
lot faster than us, because,like, wasn't it in a recent uh
workshop that you were saying,like we're still the google
generation, where we google Ilove that.
That is so on point, becauseliterally we still google stuff,
but then we have our studentsor gen zers, who are like fresh
(25:10):
out of high school, coming intocollege and they're not googling
the way we do, they're usingchat, gpt or other types of
software.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's funny because I'll now use the, the verb like
you're, chat gpt or ai um, whichis insane.
Yeah, because that's whatthey're doing.
And then some of them will lookat me like no, I'm not.
And I'm like yes, you are, yes,you are, I know you are.
I love it, though.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I love acknowledging it because it normalizes it for
them because a lot of them mightthink like, oh, they shouldn't
know it's a bad thing becauseyou shouldn't use it for like
class, I mean like to write yourpapers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
But when it comes to career things, for the technical
things and aspects of it, wehave a different opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, and it's going to evolve as AI evolves
too, and as we all learn moreabout it and how to use it and
how it can be beneficial.
It's going to evolve.
But I was watching a show.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
If any of you have watched it, it's called abbott
elementary.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Have you seen it?
No, but I've been told to watchit.
It's a really good show.
If you like the education, ifyou're in the education system
or you enjoy it.
Yeah, if you enjoy that kind ofum setting it, it's actually a
really good show.
So I was watching it and it wasfunny because these teachers
they were talking about one ofthem sends a newsletter and the
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people who respond to him, asco-workers, they used AI to send
a thank you.
And he was so upset because hewas like I put hours into my
newsletter to send you guys allthis, like you know, this whole
email that I've written up andyou don't even take the time to
like, write me a thank youresponse, you're gonna use ai to
(26:54):
write me a thank you response.
He was so upset about that.
I thought it was hilarious, um,because it's true, like people
use ai for email generating andthings like that, and it could,
yes, make our job a little biteasier and make our allow us to
be more efficient with our time.
But then, like, where is thatfine line?
Right?
Because if you're writing anemail, there should still be a
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component of like humanity whereyou connect with the other
person on the other end.
So I guess it depends on thecontext and the situation, but
there is a fine line too, Ithink, of where you should stop
using it yeah, I agree, dang,that's hilarious yeah, lots to
think about, though, in terms ofai and how that that is
(27:39):
evolving, but as two counselorshere who are learning more about
it, um, our approach definitelyhas shifted a little bit since
we've recorded that episode.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, I'd be excited to hear a new one.
Yeah, let us know if that'ssomething that interests you.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, let us know, Go on our Instagram, send us a
message or reach out on ourwebsite.
Either of us and we would behappy to record an episode if
this is something you all wantto hear about, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
All right, what's our second top episode?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh, my goodness.
So the second one is one of thesolo ones that I did back early
on.
This is episode 10 coffee andcareer hour.
Was a baby at that time?
The number one people problempeople face when making a career
decision.
What is it?
Armena tell us that episode wasall about self-awareness and
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the number one people thatpeople number one.
What is it?
Armanay Tell us, external noiseas opposed to taking the time
to like, look internally andreally learn about themselves
(28:52):
and identify what their valuesare or, my favorite question,
what problems they want to solvein the world.
Yeah, skipping that and movingto external factors, and that
takes away the depth of likemaking the right career decision
that's aligned with youabsolutely long story short.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
If you don't know who you are, you don't know what
you want yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Um one of our other counselors.
I was presenting with her todayand she said self-awareness, or
self-knowledge, is the firststep to wisdom, or like the
foundation to wisdom, and I lovethat and I love that?
Yeah, it really is Like if youwant to have wisdom, the first
thing is you got to know aboutyourself.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's so funny.
I was supporting someone today,interview prep, and we're
talking about, like innerconfidence, and I said, well, if
you don't have that in you, Idon't think you can present that
.
You can't fake that.
Yeah, and you have to know whatyou're walking into and why
you're.
You know the best candidate orwhy this and why that.
And I was like, for example,myself, like I knew for this
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interview who I was coming into,what skills I was going to
bring.
Yes, of course I was nervouseveryone's always nervous um,
but I had that confidence andand and it works like it.
Not it works like if it wassomething I could turn on and
turn off, but you know what Imean.
Like it is something that youhave to have and and
self-discovery, self-knowledge,self-awareness is the biggest
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part and for me, I alwaysbelieve that that bleeds into
the other phases of careerdevelopment.
It doesn't stop and you don'tmove on to the next.
It's always happening becauseyou're constantly learning about
who you are and what you wantand who you want to be.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah for sure.
And the thing about confidencethat I've learned is that it has
its ebbs and flows.
It's not like you becomeconfident and then that's it.
You're confident forever, andlife is amazing.
There will be times whereyou're still you question
yourself.
I mean, happens to us regularly.
(30:50):
You know, even in the work thatwe do as much as we are
confident in our knowledge orour skills and our abilities and
as much as we love what we do,there will be days and projects
and challenges that we face thatmake us question ourselves, and
that's that's part of thatself-reflection and
self-awareness process is liketaking a step back and like, ooh
(31:12):
, why am I doubting myself inthis situation?
Right, and reflecting on thatand going from there.
So, with all that said, thatmessage remains true and
probably will always remain truein the realm of career
counseling is like the firststep is knowing yourself, and if
you skip that step, then thatis one of the problems you're
(31:35):
facing and making a an alignedcareer decision.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, I agree, and you're big on that, which is why
I loved observing Armine when Ifirst started.
It was just beautiful careercounseling.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh, thank you, I love it.
Yeah, I do.
I really do love talking aboutthat stuff, please please go
have a career session with her.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Even if you know what you're doing, you don't Go see
Armin and she'll clarify it foryou.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I love it.
Thank you.
Yes, I would be happy to guidethat conversation with anyone.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
All right, my dear.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Number three Drum roll.
Number three is being yourauthentic self at work, which is
so cool because this was ourvery first episode together.
I love it.
Yes, this happened in 2022,when you joined Coffee and
Career Hour in January, no, 2023.
(32:24):
January 23 January, my bad, yes, 23 January and it is episode
11 this one, oh man, this one.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think by this time you all knew Armin A and for new
listeners, if you haven'tlistened to it, please go.
It is such a good likewholesome get to know you and I
and our personalities and wherewe come from.
And I talked a lot about beinga first first gen Latina and
what that meant to me and how Ibring my whole self to work, but
that's something I had to growinto, not something that I
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naturally came into.
So definitely that one I love alot and I I'm honestly I should
go back and listen to it,because I'm pretty sure that we
both have changed a lot sincelast year.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, we should, we should.
That's like a year and a halfago, so yes, but it is a very
wholesome episode and I thinkthat if you want to get to know
us a little bit better and whywe do what we do, I think this
episode really answers thatquestion.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, absolutely, I love that yes.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And then the next one , which is number four, is
conquering fear and manifestingyour dream career through growth
mindset.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
This one, I want to say, is your favorite, is one of
your favorites because this iswhere Arminie got to tell us all
about manifestation and what itmeans and all of the different
things, and she's such a hardmanifester.
Oh, everything I've learnedI've learned from her oh my gosh
, you're so cute.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
But yes, I mean, I love that episode because it we
also talked about growth mindsetand that is like the foundation
of what we do.
One of the foundations of whatwe do with our, in our work with
clients and students, ishelping people see that failure
is not really failure, likefailure is part of growth and
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that every step you take, evenif it's a step back, it's going
to propel you two steps forward.
So it's really kind of talkingabout using this kind of growth
mindset to manifest or reachyour career goals and not
letting setbacks discourage youfrom your goals.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Absolutely, growth mindset is something you should
implement at all stages of yourlife.
It really goes hand in handwhen we say career and life
development.
Growth mindset is there throughthe thick and thin.
I recently was in a meetingwhere they talked about how this
is how they looked at life,with the Lend of Growth mindset
and how each experience, eachday is something to learn,
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something new, and I thoughtthat was so beautiful because
it's so like open to newexperiences, new situations from
all different perspectives.
So, go listen to it.
You'll definitely feel a lotbetter.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, I love it.
And anytime I work with someonelike a client and it's usually,
I will say it's usually myolder students or clients they
really the ones who have facedso many challenges.
Actually, there's one clientthat I had worked with recently
that you you know of MJ, that Ihad worked with recently, that
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you know of MJ.
I literally get emotional everytime I work with this client
because they have had so manyups and downs in their life and
so many challenges, even fromimmigrating to a different
country and corruption andfamily problems and so many
different things and that personis still not discouraged.
(35:51):
They are about to embark on anew educational journey and go
above and beyond what they'veever dreamt of doing and they
don't let any setback discouragethem.
So it's usually the olderstudents or clients that I work
with that demonstrate the skilland I think I always get
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emotional or feel some type ofway because I get inspired by
them.
And even myself, having anunderstanding of all of this, I
still would say that I need towork on having a growth mindset
myself.
I'm still learning to developthat skill set.
I know what it is and Iunderstand the importance of it,
but I'm still learning it, butwhen I see it in people who have
(36:35):
a lot more life experience, itinspires me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's funny because I think of when I think of growth
mindset.
One of the people I think aboutis my grandma and how much she
has she's.
She's like a resilient humanregardless, but I always think
of how she immigrated to a newcountry.
Well, when she was in elsalvador, she went to this like
organization to get a job andshe had no idea and she was open
(36:58):
to then coming to america.
And then she came to america,literally had no idea where she
was gonna stay or sleep or eator do anything, and just kept.
Every day was a new experiencethat she learned from, and all
of the triumphs andaccomplishments and I don't want
to call them failures, butlearning lessons, yeah, they've
only have made her better at whoshe is as a human being and
absolutely she knows exactly whoshe is and that's where she
(37:21):
gets all her wisdom from tooyeah, oh, there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
She's a prime example , but it's always.
It's always those folks who aremore experienced in life, who
have left their whole,everything they know in their
country, left it back and waslike I will figure it out when I
get there, and whatever stepbacks they face in the new
country does not discourage themfrom trying harder to make it
(37:50):
in this new country.
It's always the people who havetaken that leap of faith and
like move to a new country.
Sometimes I think about, likeif I'm in middle age and if I
were to move to a whole newcountry where I didn't know the
language or anything and mydegree meant nothing over there,
would I be able to do somethinglike that?
And then I think about how myparents did that.
(38:11):
Started from scratch whilehaving three kids to raise.
Can you imagine?
I really don't know how theydid it.
We should interview your mom.
Yeah, I know right, let's justbring our parents, Bring your
grandma.
I love that.
Yeah, and it's these kinds oflife experiences I think that
help people develop that growthmindset, Whereas when you're a
(38:32):
little bit younger and like,especially if you're following
all the right steps, yougraduate from school and then
you get a job or you go tocollege and then you go to grad
school.
It's like you haven't reallyfaced big challenges or haven't
had leaps of faith where you hadto really truly embrace growth
mindset to be able to survive.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I always think of um.
My mom always tells me about astory about when she um was very
young and she and she waseither choosing to like stay
here in LA, um with my grandmaor go to San Francisco with the
family.
My mom's a nanny and ahousekeeper and at the time she
(39:12):
was taking care I think her bosswas pregnant or or had a small
child and they were likeoffering her to take her over
there and have her go to collegeand give her a better life and
have her live with them and allthese wonderful things.
And I always think of thatsituation and how resilient and
what, what the choices my mommade and how she's grown from
that as a human and how now shereflects on it in different
(39:35):
perspectives that she has.
So it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, so amazing.
So these topics inspire us, asyou can all hear um even, and no
matter how much we talk aboutit, we still get inspired when
we see people who really embraceand are able to live these
skill sets.
You know they're not easy to do.
I love that All right.
The last but not least, top fiveepisodes, so this is the fifth.
(40:02):
One is called Own your Shit andthis is also one of the solo
ones.
This is episode seven and thisone is all about imposter
syndrome.
So I talk about actually, mjand I have an episode together
on imposter syndrome as well, sowe revisit it together in a
dialogue, but when I firstintroduced it in the podcast is
(40:25):
in the solo episode and talkabout all about what imposter
syndrome is and how it shapesour experiences and really the
importance of asking yourselfthese questions, reflecting on
on these aspects of what stopsyou from taking that leap of
faith, what stops you fromtaking action, moving forward,
(40:46):
how you can own those limitingbeliefs and understand, like,
okay, this belief is limiting mefrom taking a step forward
toward my goals.
Right, so that we all have thoseimposter syndromes, but to not
allow those to hinder ourprogress.
Right, and that's the key here,because I don't think anyone
(41:07):
can ever like just completelylet go of all their limiting
beliefs.
You know that's just naturally.
As part of human beings, we'reall going to have them, based on
our upbringing, our culture,our society.
Whatever messages we're gettingfrom the external world, it's
always going to cause us to havelimiting beliefs, but it's that
ability to not allow it tohinder our progress.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
But it's that ability to not allow it to hinder our
progress.
Imposter syndrome man, I feelimposter syndrome all the time.
I think, no matter the amountof confidence that I can share
or that I exude or that peopletell me that I bring.
I do experience impostersyndrome very frequently and I
think it's something importantto talk about.
And just like how we're talkingabout confidence ebbs and flows
, so it is imposter syndromevery frequently and I think it's
something important to talkabout.
And just like how we're talkingabout confidence ebbs and flows
(41:52):
, so it is imposter syndrome andthe way you feel in everyday
life, like Armin and I arealways learning something new,
right, so it really does changethe game.
And I think it's somethingwhere it's very internal.
It is extremely internal andit's sometimes an internal
battle with yourself and whereyou believe your capabilities
(42:12):
are.
And that goes into a wholeself-efficacy discussion which
we can have maybe later.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, there's an episode on self-efficacy too.
I think it's one of the soloepisodes.
Yeah, it is, it is.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And it's such a great , I don't know.
For me, imposter syndrome issomething that can be very
hindering to someone, but it'salso something that when you
take a step forward in thatdirection of I don't want to say
not necessarily beating it,because it's always there, but
healing it and growing from itit really is a beautiful know
(42:46):
it's so deep, these beliefs areso ingrained in how we see
ourselves that it's not easy tofight those battles.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
You know they really run deep.
And so to be able to work onthat, find awareness in that and
then not let it hinder you, islike that strength, that
strength and resilience rightthere.
(43:17):
I love it.
So these are our top fiveepisodes uh, over the course of
three years.
At this point, oh my goodnessthree years, yeah, because this
started in summer of 2021.
So, uh, 50 episodes in.
We love every single episodewe've recorded.
Yeah, very proud very proud yes, and we've, we've.
I hope that you can all hear theenjoyment in our discussions
(43:40):
and our tone and the way that webecause we're always smiling
when we're recording thesepodcasts and even though it's
not video podcasts, um, itusually you can hear the smile
in people's voices absolutelyvery exciting stuff.
So we appreciate.
We are so grateful for ourlisteners.
We have our, our community oflisteners who are always there
(44:04):
like hardcore.
We know.
We know the certain number ofpeople that always listen to our
episode that first day that itposts yeah, literally that by
that evening there is always thesame exact number of listeners
because you guys are ourhardcore or like og community.
So we love you, we appreciateyou.
(44:25):
We really do want to hear fromyou all on either what you're
experiencing in this podcast orwhat topics you would like to
hear, or just overall yourreactions, because this is all
for you guys.
So let us know so we canactually cater even more topics
to you all and continue to buildthis community together.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Absolutely.
Don't be afraid to pick ourbrains, and we'll love to hear
from you soon.
See you in the next one.
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