September 10, 2024 • 31 mins
Unlock the secrets of navigating the hidden job market and uncover unexpected career opportunities. This episode of Coffee and Career Hour highlights a unique perspective on job search. Join us as we share personal stories of landing jobs through unadvertised channels, explore the reasons behind the existence of the hidden job market, and highlight its impact on equity and accessibility. You'll also gain insights into why companies often choose not to advertise openings and how internal hiring can streamline their processes.
We'll also discuss the immense power of authenticity in networking. Hear real-life examples of how genuine conversations about personal passions can lead to career breakthroughs. Discover why being true to yourself is essential in making meaningful professional connections. Plus, learn how to leverage LinkedIn and social media to stay connected and uncover hidden job opportunities. This episode is packed with practical tips to help you unlock the hidden job market and advance your career by being your authentic self. Tune in for a fresh perspective on how to navigate the complexities of job hunting and career fulfillment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is fall.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Is it really Arminé?
The sun says somethingdifferent.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Listen, it's September, regardless of what
the weather is.
Once it hits September, we areentering fall.
I know, officially the end ofSeptember is when the season
starts, but in my mind and in myheart, once it's September 1st,
we're in fall.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I agree with you, you , but my body disagrees.
I am sweating every daydisgustingly.
No, it is.
It is nasty, hot, and you knowwhat's the worst part?
Pumpkin patches are starting topop up oh yes, that's not cool.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, I know it's.
It feels like I feel thrown offwhen it's.
But then we're like pumpkinspice latte is out at Starbucks
and we're seeing pumpkinflavored candles at Target and
I'm like the weather doesn'tmake sense much.
But with that I mean fallquarter is starting at UCLA soon
(01:00):
.
We are like head over heelspreparing for the quarter.
It's gonna be busy.
New school year, new me.
Yes, yes.
New school year, new me.
But for our listeners, welcome,welcome to Coffee and Career
Hour.
We started talking about fallbecause it's one of my favorite
(01:22):
seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's one of mine too.
Honestly, like fall and springare my favorites, I really enjoy
fall.
I am so excited to like dress,fall colors, fall smell, fall,
see, fall, love, fall, drink,fall everything, everything,
fall.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I agree.
Me too, fall and spring are myfavorites.
Spring because it is like freshand it's like a new beginning.
It's bright and fun and sunny.
And then fall is so like cozyand homey and warm and so all
the like lovey-dovey feelingsthat I really enjoy I love it,
(01:59):
me too, you know what else islovey-dovey?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, Feeling satisfied and fulfilled in your
career.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
OMG, it is.
It really is.
As you all know, to ourlisteners, we talk about career
fulfillment, career satisfaction, all throughout this podcast.
It's like an underlying themewith pretty much every episode
that we post out there, and intoday's episode we're going to
be kind of talking about how tofind opportunities that are
(02:29):
going to help you feel fulfilledand satisfied.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Armin.
A fun fact, I got this jobthrough the hidden job market.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh, yes, you did.
Do you want to tell ourlisteners what the hidden job
market is?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, peekaboo Hidden job market is here to scare you
.
Market is yeah, peekaboo hiddenjob market is here to scare you
.
Um, the hidden job market isessentially the opportunities
that are not posted anywhere,they're not shown widely.
Or, um, an opposite side, ifyou are someone who's working
somewhere, there could be likean internal job board that's
(03:02):
only seen for the currentemployees of that organization,
right?
Or your supervisor is justlooking for a certain amount of
employees that they already havein mind.
So these, the hidden job market, is a ton of opportunities that
are not advertised to thepublic.
So it's things that you getreferred to, it's things that
(03:22):
you get told, it's things thatyou find out through
happenstance.
But we're going to get in allof those crevices today.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yes, isn't that insane that a hidden job market?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
exists.
Honestly, for me it's notequitable.
Yeah, I mean like from acounselor standpoint, this is
not equitable.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It isn't.
It's because not everybody hasaccess to the same resources,
the same network, the same umopportunities to connect and
find out about these uhopportunities, and so it's
bizarre to me, because the moretechnology advances, the more we
have job search websites.
Every day, there's like a newjob search website that comes
(04:04):
out, right, sure.
And regardless of having allthese websites and now even
social media, there's like jobpostings, right.
Regardless of all of that,there's still a hidden job
market, like.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I feel like that's something that like should have
existed 50 years ago but shouldno longer exist yeah, and the
crazy part is people now knownot to apply to jobs through
those third-party platforms likeMonstercom, like the Muse.
Because, why?
Because we're telling you to godirectly to the career portal
page of that organization.
Right, it's insane, it's abusiness, it's honestly a
(04:36):
business.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It is.
It is Just like any otherindustry out there.
It has its quirks and thingsthat we need to learn to
navigate.
So we're here to tell you allabout the hidden job market and
how to navigate that process.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So why does the hidden job market exist?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, armanay, let's go back to the 1950s.
Just kidding, we're not goingto go back there at all.
Honestly, if we're thinking alittle bit about it, not
publicizing these openings,these opportunities to others
really can help people save timeand money, and that's what
every company wants to do.
They want to save money, theywant to cut down on their budget
right, they don't want to touchanything, they don't want to
(05:16):
waste resources, essentially,and time.
It takes a lot of time toeither have your HR post or you
yourself, depending on how yourorganization runs.
If you're the hiring manager,post review applications, I
cannot tell you how timeconsuming that is.
Interviewing people interviewingthe wrong people right, and you
(05:36):
don't even know if they'rewrong because on their
application or their resume theylook so well.
And then you end up likesometimes going with an internal
hire, which is stressfulbecause we could have just done
that in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yes, yes, honestly.
Hiring is so draining forcompanies.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
The amount of resources.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, they need to put the time, the energy, the
resources they need to pulltogether to hire somebody is
insane, which is why I could seehow it could be motivating for
a company to not advertise aposition if they already have an
internal candidate in mind, andso forth.
And yes, there are laws aroundyou have to post a job for at
(06:14):
least two weeks.
Even if you're hiringinternally or so it needs to be
posted for at least two weeks.
But when it comes to likepublicizing some of these or
marketing that these positionsare available, a lot of times it
doesn't happen or calling themsomething else than what they're
not like, giving it acompletely different title than
what it's hired to do yeah, Imean it's them the person, sorry
(06:36):
, yeah yeah, it's insane.
So I could see how like it couldbe motivating to not publicize
positions to save money and timeand energy.
Another reason why the hiddenjob market exists is because if
the company is, let's say,creating this new position,
they're being innovative,they're being creative, they're
(06:58):
going a different direction.
They don't want theircompetition to know what they're
up to, so they're being sneakyabout hiring this really cool
new position to test it out andsee how it works and what you
know how it impacts theircompany without their
competition knowing.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, sneaky, sneak.
I can totally see how, likecorporate America will do that,
because they're all incompetition with each other.
And higher education we'resilly.
We just copy what every otherlike institution, program
department is doing and we justroll with it like if it was our
own idea and that happenseverywhere, like, honestly,
we've been, we've been.
You've been doing this for alot longer than me, but tell me,
(07:36):
armonay, how many times have webrought up the same idea and
then, every time we hear, we actlike it's something new?
oh yeah, we reinvent the wheel amillion times in higher
education in education ingeneral, but that's just the way
our field works.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, every year we have a new idea, but then it's
like it was already done before,and then it just seems like
it's a new idea, and then weroll with it, and then the next
year we're like OK, let's comeup with a whole new idea for
this thing.
Uh, the higher ed is its ownissue, its own beast.
But regardless of what industryyou're in, the hidden job
market does exist.
Um, it could work in your favorif you can play your cards
(08:10):
right.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about how you can do that
today yeah, one of the one ofthe biggest things, um, is
networking.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's no surprise.
You have to network in yourlife, you, okay?
Well, let's hold on Rewind.
What is networking?
Why is it important?
Um, we can talk so much aboutits benefits, really, but
networking honestly, in allhonesty, has a different
definition in everyone's head.
Networking for you has workeddifferently than networking for
(08:38):
me, than it has the rest ofsociety, so our experiences are
very different and that's how wechoose to define it In my
language.
I honestly see this as atransactional thing.
I am connecting with you so Ican benefit from it, but I'm not
seeing how I can add to youwhen I think about what I can
offer to you as well.
That's a connection, that's arelationship.
(08:58):
That's not a network for youCollectively.
You have a group of connections, a that's not a network for you
Collectively.
You have a group of connections, a network is people you go to
like a leech, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I see it as a negative because that's how it
was framed to me, a connectionis, and relationships are
something that are long termwhere networking feels more
short term for me, yeah, of uspeople in society have some sort
of negative connotation aroundnetworking because we do think
(09:27):
of it as this transactional orthis like I'm trying to gain
something from you type ofexperience.
But in reality, and what we arereally trying to emphasize in
the career center as careercounselors, and the work that we
do trying to teach people thatnetworking is actually making
meaningful connections, theright way to do networking, is
actually a positive thing.
(09:48):
You're building relationshipswith people in in society and
those relationships are can opendoors to opportunities.
But that's not the reasonyou're making those
relationships.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're making them because you're connecting
genuinely with people in yourlife resourced background.
It's nothing like that.
It's just for me.
(10:22):
That's the way I understood,and my students who identify
similarly or in some type ofparallel feel more comfortable
when I say it's your careercommunity, it's people who are
going to be there to support youthrough the ups, through the
downs, through the layoff,through the offer, through the
negotiation, through the gradschool, through the whatever
right it's.
It's not I'm just going toconnect with armonia because
she's colleague at this oneplace, but it's.
(10:42):
I'm going to connect withArmani for the lifetime, not
only because of the podcast.
but because we're both inindustry, Even if you're in
separate industry, it's really afruitful relationship where you
both grow and develop togetherand you can support one another
in your different positions inyour career.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh yeah, One hundred percent.
And going through your careerjourney, you don't want it to be
a lonely process.
And going through your careerjourney, you don't want it to be
a lonely process.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right.
Having these connections andpeople that can support you
through the ups and the downs isreally going to make the
process a lot more fruitful.
You're going to have moreopportunities to learn about
yourself, learn from otherpeople, grow and just feel like
you have a support system.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, I recently heard this quote at a.
I've been going to a lot ofweekend student programs and I
heard one of the speakers saythis if you want to go fast, go
alone.
If you want to go far, gotogether.
And that has stayed with mebecause I think about all the
times where, as an introvert, Iwanted to do things on my own
(11:42):
and figure it out, because I wasjust that resilient,
independent, first-gen personwho didn't want to ask for help
because she was embarrassed.
But then, when I did in gradschool, I've come a long, long
way because I've come with mycommunity.
I've come with people who arecheering me on, who are
supporting me, who are offeringme opportunities that I never in
my life would have everimagined, where, if I would have
(12:08):
just been like, thanks forteaching me that one class great
, got my degree and go on withmy life independently.
I honestly don't think I wouldhave gone super far, I would
have gone fast in whateverdirection and been in a job that
I probably hate.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But you know, story goes on yeah, it's amazing
sometimes, um, I think for bothof us actually, the networking
slash, making connections piecekind of happened naturally.
We didn't even know we weredoing it, and so building those
connections authentically hasreally helped us in our careers.
Could share my story withoutrealizing I was in when I was in
(12:48):
grad school, talking to myprofessors and and my cohort and
stuff.
Talking about the things that Ienjoy and that I'm passionate
about, had led me to multipleopportunities.
One specific opportunity I canthink of is when I got my
internship at the Career Centerin graduate school.
It was just through me sharinghow excited I was about career
(13:10):
development, that they hadrecommended me amongst my cohort
that Armony is really into this, so let's give her the
opportunity.
I was not doing thisstrategically to try to get a
foot in the door, nothing likethat.
It was just genuinely metalking to my supervisor, my
cohort members, about what I wasinterested in.
(13:30):
That led to my internship andthen fast forward another year
or two.
It led me to a teachingopportunity, again from my
professors, knowing that I'mpassionate about career
development, and there was aposition that opened up to teach
graduate students in my programand they had reached out to me
to see if I would be interestedin teaching Again.
(13:52):
All from just me sharing howexcited I was about this
industry.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, one who wouldn't want you to be their
professor?
I've learned so much from youin the last what is almost like
three years.
It's bizarre, like the amountof growth that I have
experienced from you.
It's just a whole, nother level.
I'm just.
I'm a better counselor becauseof Armin.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Oh, no, no no, yes.
You're so sweet.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I am, but no, it's true.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You are already.
You came already being amazing,so I take no credit.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You figured out no she takes all the credit.
But I agree with you, it'ssometimes it's not even like,
you're not even trying, likeeven when you're walking.
So, for example, we dopresentations like at least once
a week, you don't even knowwho's going to be in the room.
You have no idea who you'regoing to see along the way, like
so many random things thathappen where there was once I
was going to a presentation andI ran into someone I knew and
(14:46):
then from there they're like ohmy gosh, I've heard so much
about you, I want you to comespeak at, like, the new hires
for UCLA and I was like what inthe world?
Like and this was sohappenstance, and I connected
with them, got their email, soon and so forth.
(15:11):
But it's opportunities like that, where you're your most real
self, that you really do leavean impact and an impression on
people.
Um, networking is we're taughtto, for it to be the most
polished version of yourself,very clean cut, very businessy,
corporate.
That's what we think of, that'swhat, at least, I think of.
And when, now, when I thinkabout it, I think about it as
like, how can I be my mostauthentic self?
I mean not really because I doit naturally, but that just
automatically leaves animpression on people.
But some people have to thinkabout that.
And how do I be myself in thespace where I want to also
(15:34):
showcase that I'm a professional?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
yeah, well, I think it is a develop, it is a skill
that you can develop.
I think you do it really well,thanks, yeah, you are probably
like a prime example of somebodywho just does it so naturally,
because you genuinely, throughyour energy, are showing that
you are knowledgeable and youhave these skills.
But you're doing it because youlove the work that you do.
(15:57):
I do.
And I think that is like the keycomponent to being able to do
this authentically, because, yes, it's a learned skill, but in
order for it to actually trulybe genuine, you have to actually
be interested in the workyou're doing and then be able to
do it well and then people seeand pick up on that energy.
You can't fake that energy,like that saying fake it till
(16:18):
you make it.
I hate that saying Like it isso, not true, because you can't
truly make it if you're notknowledgeable about the work
you're doing, if you don't havethe skill sets, if you don't
have the passion, the energy forit.
I don't think you could trulymake it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I agree, and I think it really does give the wrong
impression to people becausethey're not really sure of who
they're working with orconnecting with.
It's not the real version ofyou.
It's like what is it?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
they say, like tell me, tell me who your friends are
and I'll tell you who you are.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's really.
It's really that idea, and we Iwill say too that your career
doesn't always have to give youthat spark to feel that way.
So when you're connecting withother people, it doesn't always
have to be about professionalexperiences or opportunities.
It literally can be over.
Hey, what are you doing thissummer?
Hey, um, we're in the samecoffee shop.
Oh, my gosh, you ordered that.
I love that.
I've never tried that.
(17:11):
Is that something you've tried?
But, like, random things thatexist in the world that happen
lead to so much hiddenopportunity out there.
Yeah, and that's that can'teven be career related, or it
can change you and shift youinto a new career opportunity
yeah, yeah, you would do that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
That small talk that we say can really lead to like
oh my gosh, you're interested inthis.
I know this position, why don'tyou apply, etc.
And actually you do that smalltalk really well.
It's so funny.
I actually don't like smalltalk.
Oh, I would have never guessed.
You guys should see her inaction.
She does, she does it reallywell.
So I think that that that's alearned skill and if you're able
(17:50):
to do that, naturally it itdoes lead to like, hey, I know
you're good at this or I knowyou're interested in this, why
don't you apply to this?
I mean to throw out somestatistics out there.
Up to 70 of all jobs are notpublished publicly.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's bizarre, isn't that insane?
That's what I mean by it notbeing equitable, but I get it.
I get it, but it's notequitable yeah, no, I, I totally
agree.
And and up to around 80 of jobsare filled through networking
that I believe, that I believe,but people have the wrong idea
of what that means.
So some people think like, like, for example, our populations
(18:25):
that we work with.
They're getting degrees andthey want to go into the job
force Like 60% of them, right?
The other 30, 40% want to gointo graduate school.
Let's be real, if not more, ifI'm getting that wrong.
So what that looks like is notnecessarily you network with
alumni and professionals and youimmediately go into the job of
your dreams.
That's not the networking wemean.
(18:50):
It's these long-termexperiences that guide you in
your path in your journey.
Yeah, so this 80 percent doesn'tmean that 80 percent of new
graduates or people who aretransitioning or in your roles
right now are getting jobsthrough networking and that's
the end-all be-all to theproblem solving of this.
No, it happens long term.
It happens to thoserelationships and one of the
most important things you needto know, it's not always
necessarily about who you know,because I have like a lot of
(19:15):
linkedin connections, but thatdoesn't mean anything if I can
only tell you the 10 people thatI actually really, really,
really know me, and those 10people are speaking my name in
different spaces, differentorganizations, different teams,
to different leaders, todifferent audiences that can
draw me in for opportunity aswell.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah.
So it's not even about who youknow, it's more about who knows
you.
Yeah, yeah.
I want to bring my example ofmy husband, who has been doing
this.
Really naturally, I love theguy, the guy, he's, he's
hilarious.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
He's doing so many things, but one example is he
actually was His company that heused to work for reached out to
him to ask him to essentiallywork freelance with them because
he has the skills they'relooking for and they wanted to
hire him specifically.
(20:08):
Let me tell you, guys, thiscompany is has to hire him
through a consulting company.
My husband doesn't work for aconsulting company.
They are making it work.
They are putting him on aconsulting company's platform so
that they can hire him becausethey want the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
He's gold, they want his skills.
No wonder you married him he'sgold, he is.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So they are making it work so that they can get the
skills they need from him.
That's amazing.
Another thing that he's doing,going back to small talk, some
person that he knows from somecompany that he he genuinely is
interested in this companyfollows them on social media and
so forth.
(20:50):
He ended up connecting with theowner, the ceo, of that company
.
Um, and then that because he isso passionate about the company
and knows so much about it,through Through their
conversation, he's only havinglike an authentic conversation
about how much he loves thecompany they are asking him to
(21:11):
interview and work for thatcompany, even though he's not
even job searching, like he waslike I'm just having a
conversation with them because Igenuinely like the company.
And they were like dude, wereally like you, can we
interview you?
Or actually the conversationturned into an interview and
then they were like dude, wereally like you, can we
interview you?
Or actually the conversationturned into an interview and
then they were like can you sendus your resume?
Oh my gosh, isn't that insane?
That's amazing.
(21:32):
It is.
And I swear to you like none ofthis was strategic on his part.
It is just genuinely likethings that he is passionate
about that he has been able toshowcase to his community and
people.
And it's been a long time, likeit's been over quite a few
years, that he's been likeinvolved in whatever industry
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he's involved in, whateverindustry he's involved in.
So it's been over a long time.
But, um, he, he's not doing anyof this to like try to find a
job or get a job offer, anythingsneaky like that, it's just
genuinely happening.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, and I think that's the problem is people
think networking is instantgratification yeah I'm gonna do
it once, I'm gonna do it threetimes and then I'm gonna get the
result I want.
And that's not how it works,and you said it it yourself.
It takes a long period of time.
I'm not saying it's going totake five, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30,
35 years for you to get there.
It literally can take sixmonths, three weeks, whatever
that is.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, it's a journey.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You can't walk in there with like a like a time
crunch.
You can't be like, hey, I'mgoing to network for like 15
days and then I'm going to getthe expect.
Like that's not how it works,dude.
Yeah.
So really putting in the timeand the effort and just knowing
like you have stuff to offer tooand you are connecting with
this person for a reason.
But remember that and alwayshelp others too, because then
(22:48):
for stuff like this, be yourauthentic self.
People always want to come andhelp you back too yeah, 100.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
so this all kind of boils down to personal branding
too.
When we say networking slashmaking connections with people,
know that hand in hand that goeswith personal branding,
absolutely.
So, being able to showcase yourbrand, what do you have to
offer the world?
Again, it's that energy thatyou bring in that is going to
attract people to you.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know what I saw recently.
I totally disagree with this ona resume, but I saw it and it
stood out to me.
Um, somebody had a missionstatement, oh wow, and I I loved
that.
I loved that because I onlyever saw that on like websites
like ours not necessarily arminand I have mission statements,
but like people who are runningtheir own business or I mean
companies in general too butwhen people actually care about
(23:37):
what they do, because an overallorganization has, like, people
create a mission statement andsometimes they don't even live
by that mission right or thosevalues or whatever.
So when I saw this on a resume,I loved it and was like this is
your personal brandingstatement and that's what people
need to know too is when you'reputting yourself out there on
LinkedIn, on Instagram, on allthese platforms, you need to
(24:00):
also share that as well, becausepeople won't be able to
identify or categorize you in acertain way as well.
So, be your brand, live yourbrands, showcase it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh, I love that.
That sounds like a tagline,like be your brand, live your
brand, oh I love it Wellseriously, do well seriously do
it please, because it's itreally is, like it's the thing
that people.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's that.
It's.
That's the impression.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's not your reputation, it's the impression
you leave yeah, yeah, and it'sthe feeling that people get from
interacting with you.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah like, for example, armenay isn't a resume
reviewer, she's a careercounselor.
That's my impression of armenayfor example you know, some
people look at us like we're oh,we're just like resume cover
letter reviewers, we're just thepeople who, like couldn't help
you find a job.
But when I see our counselors,when I see people we work with,
when I see people in the fieldwho are really passionate about
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that, I'm like you're a scholar,you are a researcher, like that
is your brand, without you evensaying that to me.
So when I look at you, I feltit from the beginning like years
ago, right, you're a counselor.
You are not a resume reviewer.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, it's.
It all kind of boils down toenergy and and authenticity.
So what are some?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
ways that we can leverage this hidden job market
and use it to our advantage.
Yeah, it's uh, honestly, it'slike it's things we've been
saying.
So make sure you you stayconnected with people, right,
Whatever and whatever means that, whatever, whatever that
signifies to you.
But it's not only stayconnected with them, but make
sure that they know that you arecurrently looking for an
opportunity, um, what you'relooking for and that you're
(25:38):
looking, and I will say thatsometimes you don't necessarily
need to be jobless to find a job.
So, for example, let's saysomeone who's in corporate
America and they feel stuck intheir position.
They've been doing it for fiveto seven years.
They're not looking for a jobnecessarily, but maybe they feel
like they want to continuegrowing.
So I mean now they'd be lookingfor a job necessarily, but
(25:58):
maybe they feel like they wantto continue growing, so I mean
now they'd be looking for a job.
So you don't have to be joblessto be looking for a job, is my
point.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yes, definitely.
It's actually recommendedwithin the career world to look
for your next job while you'restill working in your current
job.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh man, I have a story for you, but that's next
time.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That's for next time.
Yes, I know a story for you,but that's next time.
That's for next time.
Yes, I know this story and youall want to hear it.
So, with that said, let's alsotalk a little bit about LinkedIn
, because a big part of stayingconnected with people is social
media these days.
Absolutely you can't escape it.
Love it, hate, it, doesn'tmatter.
You can't escape social media,and LinkedIn, of course.
Course is the professionalplatform to be able to maintain
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those connections.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
So checking out who's coming and who's recruiting and
connecting with recruiters onLinkedIn is also a really great
way to kind of find out aboutopportunities that aren't posted
yeah, sometimes what I hear isthat people will go and look
through that person's historywhoever's in that position or
that team that they're workingwith to see kind of where they
came from.
(27:00):
So it's important to identifylike key players in this role or
in this game, really, to behonest, be the person that's
going to not only identifyproblems and complain, but also
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do something, solve them.
Or, if you can't try to right,connect, collaborate, teamwork,
look for what that company isreally seeking for.
What are the problems?
Honestly, when you're lookingat a job description or you're
being told about an opportunity,what is the problems that
they're facing and how can youhelp fix that?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yes, and actually this works even really well in
your current job, because thereare always problems to solve
right In any given company.
So, within your current job,even if it's outside of your job
responsibilities, to look forproblems that exist and offer
(28:00):
solutions, because these typesof skills are what's going to
send out to leadership, wherethey might be like oh, this
person, maybe we should promotethem or hire them for this other
position we have, because theirskills could be better used
there.
Absolutely yeah.
And then of course, also itcould work for other companies
outside of where you'recurrently working yeah, so we
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leave you with?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
the hidden job market exists.
Don't hide from it, becauseit's coming out and looking for
you.
You just really got to be awareof what's going on.
Stay connected with people.
Connect, build relationships,do what you need to do.
Just start chatting and it'llcome.
It is fall.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Is it really Arminé?
The sun says somethingdifferent.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Listen, it's September, regardless of what
the weather is.
Once it hits September, we areentering fall.
I know, officially the end ofSeptember is when the season
starts, but in my mind and in myheart, once it's September 1st,
we're in fall.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I agree with you, you , but my body disagrees.
I am sweating every daydisgustingly.
No, it is.
It is nasty, hot, and you knowwhat's the worst part?
Pumpkin patches are starting topop up oh yes, that's not cool.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, I know it's.
It feels like I feel thrown offwhen it's.
But then we're like pumpkinspice latte is out at Starbucks
and we're seeing pumpkinflavored candles at Target and
I'm like the weather doesn'tmake sense much.
But with that I mean fallquarter is starting at UCLA soon
(01:00):
.
We are like head over heelspreparing for the quarter.
It's gonna be busy.
New school year, new me.
Yes, yes.
New school year, new me.
But for our listeners, welcome,welcome to Coffee and Career
Hour.
We started talking about fallbecause it's one of my favorite
(01:22):
seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's one of mine too.
Honestly, like fall and springare my favorites, I really enjoy
fall.
I am so excited to like dress,fall colors, fall smell, fall,
see, fall, love, fall, drink,fall everything, everything,
fall.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I agree.
Me too, fall and spring are myfavorites.
Spring because it is like freshand it's like a new beginning.
It's bright and fun and sunny.
And then fall is so like cozyand homey and warm and so all
the like lovey-dovey feelingsthat I really enjoy I love it,
(01:59):
me too, you know what else islovey-dovey?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, Feeling satisfied and fulfilled in your
career.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
OMG, it is.
It really is.
As you all know, to ourlisteners, we talk about career
fulfillment, career satisfaction, all throughout this podcast.
It's like an underlying themewith pretty much every episode
that we post out there, and intoday's episode we're going to
be kind of talking about how tofind opportunities that are
(02:29):
going to help you feel fulfilledand satisfied.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Armin.
A fun fact, I got this jobthrough the hidden job market.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh, yes, you did.
Do you want to tell ourlisteners what the hidden job
market is?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, peekaboo Hidden job market is here to scare you
.
Market is yeah, peekaboo hiddenjob market is here to scare you
.
Um, the hidden job market isessentially the opportunities
that are not posted anywhere,they're not shown widely.
Or, um, an opposite side, ifyou are someone who's working
somewhere, there could be likean internal job board that's
(03:02):
only seen for the currentemployees of that organization,
right?
Or your supervisor is justlooking for a certain amount of
employees that they already havein mind.
So these, the hidden job market, is a ton of opportunities that
are not advertised to thepublic.
So it's things that you getreferred to, it's things that
(03:22):
you get told, it's things thatyou find out through
happenstance.
But we're going to get in allof those crevices today.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yes, isn't that insane that a hidden job market?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
exists.
Honestly, for me it's notequitable.
Yeah, I mean like from acounselor standpoint, this is
not equitable.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It isn't.
It's because not everybody hasaccess to the same resources,
the same network, the same umopportunities to connect and
find out about these uhopportunities, and so it's
bizarre to me, because the moretechnology advances, the more we
have job search websites.
Every day, there's like a newjob search website that comes
(04:04):
out, right, sure.
And regardless of having allthese websites and now even
social media, there's like jobpostings, right.
Regardless of all of that,there's still a hidden job
market, like.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I feel like that's something that like should have
existed 50 years ago but shouldno longer exist yeah, and the
crazy part is people now knownot to apply to jobs through
those third-party platforms likeMonstercom, like the Muse.
Because, why?
Because we're telling you to godirectly to the career portal
page of that organization.
Right, it's insane, it's abusiness, it's honestly a
(04:36):
business.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It is.
It is Just like any otherindustry out there.
It has its quirks and thingsthat we need to learn to
navigate.
So we're here to tell you allabout the hidden job market and
how to navigate that process.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So why does the hidden job market exist?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, armanay, let's go back to the 1950s.
Just kidding, we're not goingto go back there at all.
Honestly, if we're thinking alittle bit about it, not
publicizing these openings,these opportunities to others
really can help people save timeand money, and that's what
every company wants to do.
They want to save money, theywant to cut down on their budget
right, they don't want to touchanything, they don't want to
(05:16):
waste resources, essentially,and time.
It takes a lot of time toeither have your HR post or you
yourself, depending on how yourorganization runs.
If you're the hiring manager,post review applications, I
cannot tell you how timeconsuming that is.
Interviewing people interviewingthe wrong people right, and you
(05:36):
don't even know if they'rewrong because on their
application or their resume theylook so well.
And then you end up likesometimes going with an internal
hire, which is stressfulbecause we could have just done
that in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yes, yes, honestly.
Hiring is so draining forcompanies.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
The amount of resources.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, they need to put the time, the energy, the
resources they need to pulltogether to hire somebody is
insane, which is why I could seehow it could be motivating for
a company to not advertise aposition if they already have an
internal candidate in mind, andso forth.
And yes, there are laws aroundyou have to post a job for at
(06:14):
least two weeks.
Even if you're hiringinternally or so it needs to be
posted for at least two weeks.
But when it comes to likepublicizing some of these or
marketing that these positionsare available, a lot of times it
doesn't happen or calling themsomething else than what they're
not like, giving it acompletely different title than
what it's hired to do yeah, Imean it's them the person, sorry
(06:36):
, yeah yeah, it's insane.
So I could see how like it couldbe motivating to not publicize
positions to save money and timeand energy.
Another reason why the hiddenjob market exists is because if
the company is, let's say,creating this new position,
they're being innovative,they're being creative, they're
(06:58):
going a different direction.
They don't want theircompetition to know what they're
up to, so they're being sneakyabout hiring this really cool
new position to test it out andsee how it works and what you
know how it impacts theircompany without their
competition knowing.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, sneaky, sneak.
I can totally see how, likecorporate America will do that,
because they're all incompetition with each other.
And higher education we'resilly.
We just copy what every otherlike institution, program
department is doing and we justroll with it like if it was our
own idea and that happenseverywhere, like, honestly,
we've been, we've been.
You've been doing this for alot longer than me, but tell me,
(07:36):
armonay, how many times have webrought up the same idea and
then, every time we hear, we actlike it's something new?
oh yeah, we reinvent the wheel amillion times in higher
education in education ingeneral, but that's just the way
our field works.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, every year we have a new idea, but then it's
like it was already done before,and then it just seems like
it's a new idea, and then weroll with it, and then the next
year we're like OK, let's comeup with a whole new idea for
this thing.
Uh, the higher ed is its ownissue, its own beast.
But regardless of what industryyou're in, the hidden job
market does exist.
Um, it could work in your favorif you can play your cards
(08:10):
right.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about how you can do that
today yeah, one of the one ofthe biggest things, um, is
networking.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's no surprise.
You have to network in yourlife, you, okay?
Well, let's hold on Rewind.
What is networking?
Why is it important?
Um, we can talk so much aboutits benefits, really, but
networking honestly, in allhonesty, has a different
definition in everyone's head.
Networking for you has workeddifferently than networking for
(08:38):
me, than it has the rest ofsociety, so our experiences are
very different and that's how wechoose to define it In my
language.
I honestly see this as atransactional thing.
I am connecting with you so Ican benefit from it, but I'm not
seeing how I can add to youwhen I think about what I can
offer to you as well.
That's a connection, that's arelationship.
(08:58):
That's not a network for youCollectively.
You have a group of connections, a that's not a network for you
Collectively.
You have a group of connections, a network is people you go to
like a leech, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I see it as a negative because that's how it
was framed to me, a connectionis, and relationships are
something that are long termwhere networking feels more
short term for me, yeah, of uspeople in society have some sort
of negative connotation aroundnetworking because we do think
(09:27):
of it as this transactional orthis like I'm trying to gain
something from you type ofexperience.
But in reality, and what we arereally trying to emphasize in
the career center as careercounselors, and the work that we
do trying to teach people thatnetworking is actually making
meaningful connections, theright way to do networking, is
actually a positive thing.
(09:48):
You're building relationshipswith people in in society and
those relationships are can opendoors to opportunities.
But that's not the reasonyou're making those
relationships.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You're making them because you're connecting
genuinely with people in yourlife resourced background.
It's nothing like that.
It's just for me.
(10:22):
That's the way I understood,and my students who identify
similarly or in some type ofparallel feel more comfortable
when I say it's your careercommunity, it's people who are
going to be there to support youthrough the ups, through the
downs, through the layoff,through the offer, through the
negotiation, through the gradschool, through the whatever
right it's.
It's not I'm just going toconnect with armonia because
she's colleague at this oneplace, but it's.
(10:42):
I'm going to connect withArmani for the lifetime, not
only because of the podcast.
but because we're both inindustry, Even if you're in
separate industry, it's really afruitful relationship where you
both grow and develop togetherand you can support one another
in your different positions inyour career.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh yeah, One hundred percent.
And going through your careerjourney, you don't want it to be
a lonely process.
And going through your careerjourney, you don't want it to be
a lonely process.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right.
Having these connections andpeople that can support you
through the ups and the downs isreally going to make the
process a lot more fruitful.
You're going to have moreopportunities to learn about
yourself, learn from otherpeople, grow and just feel like
you have a support system.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, I recently heard this quote at a.
I've been going to a lot ofweekend student programs and I
heard one of the speakers saythis if you want to go fast, go
alone.
If you want to go far, gotogether.
And that has stayed with mebecause I think about all the
times where, as an introvert, Iwanted to do things on my own
(11:42):
and figure it out, because I wasjust that resilient,
independent, first-gen personwho didn't want to ask for help
because she was embarrassed.
But then, when I did in gradschool, I've come a long, long
way because I've come with mycommunity.
I've come with people who arecheering me on, who are
supporting me, who are offeringme opportunities that I never in
my life would have everimagined, where, if I would have
(12:08):
just been like, thanks forteaching me that one class great
, got my degree and go on withmy life independently.
I honestly don't think I wouldhave gone super far, I would
have gone fast in whateverdirection and been in a job that
I probably hate.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But you know, story goes on yeah, it's amazing
sometimes, um, I think for bothof us actually, the networking
slash, making connections piecekind of happened naturally.
We didn't even know we weredoing it, and so building those
connections authentically hasreally helped us in our careers.
Could share my story withoutrealizing I was in when I was in
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grad school, talking to myprofessors and and my cohort and
stuff.
Talking about the things that Ienjoy and that I'm passionate
about, had led me to multipleopportunities.
One specific opportunity I canthink of is when I got my
internship at the Career Centerin graduate school.
It was just through me sharinghow excited I was about career
(13:10):
development, that they hadrecommended me amongst my cohort
that Armony is really into this, so let's give her the
opportunity.
I was not doing thisstrategically to try to get a
foot in the door, nothing likethat.
It was just genuinely metalking to my supervisor, my
cohort members, about what I wasinterested in.
(13:30):
That led to my internship andthen fast forward another year
or two.
It led me to a teachingopportunity, again from my
professors, knowing that I'mpassionate about career
development, and there was aposition that opened up to teach
graduate students in my programand they had reached out to me
to see if I would be interestedin teaching Again.
(13:52):
All from just me sharing howexcited I was about this
industry.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, one who wouldn't want you to be their
professor?
I've learned so much from youin the last what is almost like
three years.
It's bizarre, like the amountof growth that I have
experienced from you.
It's just a whole, nother level.
I'm just.
I'm a better counselor becauseof Armin.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Oh, no, no no, yes.
You're so sweet.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I am, but no, it's true.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You are already.
You came already being amazing,so I take no credit.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You figured out no she takes all the credit.
But I agree with you, it'ssometimes it's not even like,
you're not even trying, likeeven when you're walking.
So, for example, we dopresentations like at least once
a week, you don't even knowwho's going to be in the room.
You have no idea who you'regoing to see along the way, like
so many random things thathappen where there was once I
was going to a presentation andI ran into someone I knew and
(14:46):
then from there they're like ohmy gosh, I've heard so much
about you, I want you to comespeak at, like, the new hires
for UCLA and I was like what inthe world?
Like and this was sohappenstance, and I connected
with them, got their email, soon and so forth.
(15:11):
But it's opportunities like that, where you're your most real
self, that you really do leavean impact and an impression on
people.
Um, networking is we're taughtto, for it to be the most
polished version of yourself,very clean cut, very businessy,
corporate.
That's what we think of, that'swhat, at least, I think of.
And when, now, when I thinkabout it, I think about it as
like, how can I be my mostauthentic self?
I mean not really because I doit naturally, but that just
automatically leaves animpression on people.
But some people have to thinkabout that.
And how do I be myself in thespace where I want to also
(15:34):
showcase that I'm a professional?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
yeah, well, I think it is a develop, it is a skill
that you can develop.
I think you do it really well,thanks, yeah, you are probably
like a prime example of somebodywho just does it so naturally,
because you genuinely, throughyour energy, are showing that
you are knowledgeable and youhave these skills.
But you're doing it because youlove the work that you do.
(15:57):
I do.
And I think that is like the keycomponent to being able to do
this authentically, because, yes, it's a learned skill, but in
order for it to actually trulybe genuine, you have to actually
be interested in the workyou're doing and then be able to
do it well and then people seeand pick up on that energy.
You can't fake that energy,like that saying fake it till
(16:18):
you make it.
I hate that saying Like it isso, not true, because you can't
truly make it if you're notknowledgeable about the work
you're doing, if you don't havethe skill sets, if you don't
have the passion, the energy forit.
I don't think you could trulymake it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I agree, and I think it really does give the wrong
impression to people becausethey're not really sure of who
they're working with orconnecting with.
It's not the real version ofyou.
It's like what is it?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
they say, like tell me, tell me who your friends are
and I'll tell you who you are.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's really.
It's really that idea, and we Iwill say too that your career
doesn't always have to give youthat spark to feel that way.
So when you're connecting withother people, it doesn't always
have to be about professionalexperiences or opportunities.
It literally can be over.
Hey, what are you doing thissummer?
Hey, um, we're in the samecoffee shop.
Oh, my gosh, you ordered that.
I love that.
I've never tried that.
(17:11):
Is that something you've tried?
But, like, random things thatexist in the world that happen
lead to so much hiddenopportunity out there.
Yeah, and that's that can'teven be career related, or it
can change you and shift youinto a new career opportunity
yeah, yeah, you would do that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
That small talk that we say can really lead to like
oh my gosh, you're interested inthis.
I know this position, why don'tyou apply, etc.
And actually you do that smalltalk really well.
It's so funny.
I actually don't like smalltalk.
Oh, I would have never guessed.
You guys should see her inaction.
She does, she does it reallywell.
So I think that that that's alearned skill and if you're able
(17:50):
to do that, naturally it itdoes lead to like, hey, I know
you're good at this or I knowyou're interested in this, why
don't you apply to this?
I mean to throw out somestatistics out there.
Up to 70 of all jobs are notpublished publicly.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's bizarre, isn't that insane?
That's what I mean by it notbeing equitable, but I get it.
I get it, but it's notequitable yeah, no, I, I totally
agree.
And and up to around 80 of jobsare filled through networking
that I believe, that I believe,but people have the wrong idea
of what that means.
So some people think like, like, for example, our populations
(18:25):
that we work with.
They're getting degrees andthey want to go into the job
force Like 60% of them, right?
The other 30, 40% want to gointo graduate school.
Let's be real, if not more, ifI'm getting that wrong.
So what that looks like is notnecessarily you network with
alumni and professionals and youimmediately go into the job of
your dreams.
That's not the networking wemean.
(18:50):
It's these long-termexperiences that guide you in
your path in your journey.
Yeah, so this 80 percent doesn'tmean that 80 percent of new
graduates or people who aretransitioning or in your roles
right now are getting jobsthrough networking and that's
the end-all be-all to theproblem solving of this.
No, it happens long term.
It happens to thoserelationships and one of the
most important things you needto know, it's not always
necessarily about who you know,because I have like a lot of
(19:15):
linkedin connections, but thatdoesn't mean anything if I can
only tell you the 10 people thatI actually really, really,
really know me, and those 10people are speaking my name in
different spaces, differentorganizations, different teams,
to different leaders, todifferent audiences that can
draw me in for opportunity aswell.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah.
So it's not even about who youknow, it's more about who knows
you.
Yeah, yeah.
I want to bring my example ofmy husband, who has been doing
this.
Really naturally, I love theguy, the guy, he's, he's
hilarious.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
He's doing so many things, but one example is he
actually was His company that heused to work for reached out to
him to ask him to essentiallywork freelance with them because
he has the skills they'relooking for and they wanted to
hire him specifically.
(20:08):
Let me tell you, guys, thiscompany is has to hire him
through a consulting company.
My husband doesn't work for aconsulting company.
They are making it work.
They are putting him on aconsulting company's platform so
that they can hire him becausethey want the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
He's gold, they want his skills.
No wonder you married him he'sgold, he is.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So they are making it work so that they can get the
skills they need from him.
That's amazing.
Another thing that he's doing,going back to small talk, some
person that he knows from somecompany that he he genuinely is
interested in this companyfollows them on social media and
so forth.
(20:50):
He ended up connecting with theowner, the ceo, of that company
.
Um, and then that because he isso passionate about the company
and knows so much about it,through Through their
conversation, he's only havinglike an authentic conversation
about how much he loves thecompany they are asking him to
(21:11):
interview and work for thatcompany, even though he's not
even job searching, like he waslike I'm just having a
conversation with them because Igenuinely like the company.
And they were like dude, wereally like you, can we
interview you?
Or actually the conversationturned into an interview and
then they were like dude, wereally like you, can we
interview you?
Or actually the conversationturned into an interview and
then they were like can you sendus your resume?
Oh my gosh, isn't that insane?
That's amazing.
(21:32):
It is.
And I swear to you like none ofthis was strategic on his part.
It is just genuinely likethings that he is passionate
about that he has been able toshowcase to his community and
people.
And it's been a long time, likeit's been over quite a few
years, that he's been likeinvolved in whatever industry
(21:53):
he's involved in, whateverindustry he's involved in.
So it's been over a long time.
But, um, he, he's not doing anyof this to like try to find a
job or get a job offer, anythingsneaky like that, it's just
genuinely happening.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, and I think that's the problem is people
think networking is instantgratification yeah I'm gonna do
it once, I'm gonna do it threetimes and then I'm gonna get the
result I want.
And that's not how it works,and you said it it yourself.
It takes a long period of time.
I'm not saying it's going totake five, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30,
35 years for you to get there.
It literally can take sixmonths, three weeks, whatever
that is.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, it's a journey.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You can't walk in there with like a like a time
crunch.
You can't be like, hey, I'mgoing to network for like 15
days and then I'm going to getthe expect.
Like that's not how it works,dude.
Yeah.
So really putting in the timeand the effort and just knowing
like you have stuff to offer tooand you are connecting with
this person for a reason.
But remember that and alwayshelp others too, because then
(22:48):
for stuff like this, be yourauthentic self.
People always want to come andhelp you back too yeah, 100.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
so this all kind of boils down to personal branding
too.
When we say networking slashmaking connections with people,
know that hand in hand that goeswith personal branding,
absolutely.
So, being able to showcase yourbrand, what do you have to
offer the world?
Again, it's that energy thatyou bring in that is going to
attract people to you.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know what I saw recently.
I totally disagree with this ona resume, but I saw it and it
stood out to me.
Um, somebody had a missionstatement, oh wow, and I I loved
that.
I loved that because I onlyever saw that on like websites
like ours not necessarily arminand I have mission statements,
but like people who are runningtheir own business or I mean
companies in general too butwhen people actually care about
(23:37):
what they do, because an overallorganization has, like, people
create a mission statement andsometimes they don't even live
by that mission right or thosevalues or whatever.
So when I saw this on a resume,I loved it and was like this is
your personal brandingstatement and that's what people
need to know too is when you'reputting yourself out there on
LinkedIn, on Instagram, on allthese platforms, you need to
(24:00):
also share that as well, becausepeople won't be able to
identify or categorize you in acertain way as well.
So, be your brand, live yourbrands, showcase it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh, I love that.
That sounds like a tagline,like be your brand, live your
brand, oh I love it Wellseriously, do well seriously do
it please, because it's itreally is, like it's the thing
that people.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's that.
It's.
That's the impression.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's not your reputation, it's the impression
you leave yeah, yeah, and it'sthe feeling that people get from
interacting with you.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah like, for example, armenay isn't a resume
reviewer, she's a careercounselor.
That's my impression of armenayfor example you know, some
people look at us like we're oh,we're just like resume cover
letter reviewers, we're just thepeople who, like couldn't help
you find a job.
But when I see our counselors,when I see people we work with,
when I see people in the fieldwho are really passionate about
(24:49):
that, I'm like you're a scholar,you are a researcher, like that
is your brand, without you evensaying that to me.
So when I look at you, I feltit from the beginning like years
ago, right, you're a counselor.
You are not a resume reviewer.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, it's.
It all kind of boils down toenergy and and authenticity.
So what are some?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
ways that we can leverage this hidden job market
and use it to our advantage.
Yeah, it's uh, honestly, it'slike it's things we've been
saying.
So make sure you you stayconnected with people, right,
Whatever and whatever means that, whatever, whatever that
signifies to you.
But it's not only stayconnected with them, but make
sure that they know that you arecurrently looking for an
opportunity, um, what you'relooking for and that you're
(25:38):
looking, and I will say thatsometimes you don't necessarily
need to be jobless to find a job.
So, for example, let's saysomeone who's in corporate
America and they feel stuck intheir position.
They've been doing it for fiveto seven years.
They're not looking for a jobnecessarily, but maybe they feel
like they want to continuegrowing.
So I mean now they'd be lookingfor a job necessarily, but
(25:58):
maybe they feel like they wantto continue growing, so I mean
now they'd be looking for a job.
So you don't have to be joblessto be looking for a job, is my
point.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yes, definitely.
It's actually recommendedwithin the career world to look
for your next job while you'restill working in your current
job.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Oh man, I have a story for you, but that's next
time.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That's for next time.
Yes, I know a story for you,but that's next time.
That's for next time.
Yes, I know this story and youall want to hear it.
So, with that said, let's alsotalk a little bit about LinkedIn
, because a big part of stayingconnected with people is social
media these days.
Absolutely you can't escape it.
Love it, hate, it, doesn'tmatter.
You can't escape social media,and LinkedIn, of course.
Course is the professionalplatform to be able to maintain
(26:39):
those connections.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
So checking out who's coming and who's recruiting and
connecting with recruiters onLinkedIn is also a really great
way to kind of find out aboutopportunities that aren't posted
yeah, sometimes what I hear isthat people will go and look
through that person's historywhoever's in that position or
that team that they're workingwith to see kind of where they
came from.
(27:00):
So it's important to identifylike key players in this role or
in this game, really, to behonest, be the person that's
going to not only identifyproblems and complain, but also
(27:21):
do something, solve them.
Or, if you can't try to right,connect, collaborate, teamwork,
look for what that company isreally seeking for.
What are the problems?
Honestly, when you're lookingat a job description or you're
being told about an opportunity,what is the problems that
they're facing and how can youhelp fix that?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yes, and actually this works even really well in
your current job, because thereare always problems to solve
right In any given company.
So, within your current job,even if it's outside of your job
responsibilities, to look forproblems that exist and offer
(28:00):
solutions, because these typesof skills are what's going to
send out to leadership, wherethey might be like oh, this
person, maybe we should promotethem or hire them for this other
position we have, because theirskills could be better used
there.
Absolutely yeah.
And then of course, also itcould work for other companies
outside of where you'recurrently working yeah, so we
(28:24):
leave you with?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
the hidden job market exists.
Don't hide from it, becauseit's coming out and looking for
you.
You just really got to be awareof what's going on.
Stay connected with people.
Connect, build relationships,do what you need to do.
Just start chatting and it'llcome.
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