October 12, 2024 • 49 mins
In this episode of Coffee Chat, join the hosts as they welcome friend LaTan Roland Murphy, author, speaker & vocalist for a heartfelt discussion on Redefining Joy and navigating life's journey. Focusing on the challenges women face, the conversation delves into spirituality, self-reflection, and positivity. LaTan shares her insights on embracing joy through God's strength, despite trials and personal struggles. The discussion highlights personal stories about dealing with criticism, finding inner peace, and the impact of relationships on one's mindset. LaTan also introduces her latest book, 'His Strength, Her Joy,' emphasizing the importance of relying on God's love and acceptance. Discover how to live authentically, confront struggles, and maintain a sense of joy and strength in every season of life.
How can we cultivate genuine joy that comes from God's strength rather than relying on fleeting emotions or circumstances? For the episode blog and more reflection questions go to https://www.leadingladies.life/post/finding-joy-and-strength-in-every-season-with-latan-roland-murphy.
00:00 Outtakes and Eyebrow Talk
00:38 Welcome to Coffee Chat
00:49 Nashville Vibes and Cowboy Boots
01:27 The Changing Seasons of Life
01:55 Eyebrows and Bare Faces
03:24 Books and Strength
04:45 Family and Grandchildren
08:08 Joy and God's Strength
16:23 Childhood Memories and Pain
19:36 Appearance and Insecurities
25:20 Dealing with Negative Critiques
26:07 Recognizing God's Voice
27:34 Learning from Life's Challenges
29:29 Embracing Emotional Healing
32:41 Navigating Relationships with Wisdom
36:17 Intentional Joy and Strength
42:00 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
48:10 Wrap-Up and Resources
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm going to probably add in all the outtakes right
now.
It's a pity that we didn'tactually talk about eyebrow hair
.
Well, amber's making a newthing that she feels good for
viewing.
If we talk the most ridiculous,why don't you ask me what?
There is a season that I reallydread most about my body
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changes.
Well, we have lists.
I think it would be hilarious.
I have a bunch of things and,on that note, welcome everyone
to this new edition of Copy Chat.
We have an amazing friend withus Nashville, do you have some
cowboy boots?
What's your hand?
Do you have cowboy boots?
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I do.
Do you have a cowboy boots?
What, tan?
Do you have cowboy hats?
Do you have a cowboy hat?
I do have one hat.
I don't know if it classifiesas a cowboy hat, but it's a cool
hat, a Nashville cool hat.
And do you have a horse?
Do you own a horse or a stuffedhorse?
I do not.
Look, can I watch?
She does have a horse.
Oh my good, look, can I watch.
(01:05):
She does have a horse On theramp.
I still get all right here Lies, and we don't even make a mess.
That's the best.
Mind a horse, mind horses makea mess and they're big, fluffy
white dogs.
But to talk to you today, latlatan.
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We started our podcast talkingabout the changing seasons of
life and the changing seasons ofwhere hair is growing in our
midlife and be a.
Latan.
Latan showed up.
She's just gorgeous and I waslike no, that our thing here is
to be barefaced.
And you made the comment thatyou had to have your eyebrows
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tattooed on.
I had them drawn on, drawn on.
What do they do?
It's some other name, hina orsomething, something like that.
I don't know what the girl youneed.
She does her magic because Ihave no idea that if you get
older, your eyebrows are goingto want to change into something
else.
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They want to be mustached,half-baked hair or we won't even
talk about what else.
Let's not discuss thereanywhere else.
Think monkey, amber, stop,amber, stop, don't.
She is not to be trusted.
She is not to be trusted.
My place that I'm starting togrow hair is like right in this
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mall, and I always thought thatwas the worst place, because you
look like those old gypsy women.
Don't plug him until afterHalloween.
We have some other things totalk about other than where our
hair is.
I think that we have to keep itreal and I'm pleased you guys
saying that I look so nice.
It's hilarious becauseeverybody who saw my post last
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week with no makeup on knows thereal deal.
So we like to show up how weare Mostly for me, rolled out of
bed, lisa with her eyebrows, Ihave to have eyebrows on.
Hi, bro, you have to raise youreyebrows at amber.
Then you wanted to see it.
Yeah, yeah, well, and that issomething we have to do quite a
bit around.
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Such a great segue because we'retalking about seasons and we
all go through many seasons oflife as women, our change not
only to just marriage, kids,empty nest syndrome, but we have
a lot of things that go on andwe all do with.
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Just life happens, it does, andwe have.
And Lutean has a new book outand I won't say who the amazing
designer is, but her strengthand her joy.
There we go Right here.
Yeah, that's her, that's her,that's the one she did that,
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that beautiful.
Yeah, it's called Strength HerJoy, strength Her Joy.
And I know you have a couple ofother books too.
You have, I have a copy ofCourageous Women of the Bible.
Yes, that's one.
Connected Our Parts is our lovefor teaching about the women of
the Bible.
Yes, I love the thing.
(04:17):
And then also you have onesaying Becoming a Woman of
Interior Elegance.
I am intrigued.
I'm intrigued saying becoming awoman of interior elegance.
I am in a field, I mean, thatboth gives my most hilarious,
embarrassing moments of life.
Then, really, then it's perfectfor this show, right?
Yeah, you and so you're married, unmarried, and this year, you
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guys, we celebrated 40 years.
You need to know, I knew itwhen I was 10.
No Child bride here.
I know you have grandchildren,but what about your children?
I have three children, two boysand a girl.
And then I have threegrandchildren, two girls and a
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boy.
Oh, wow, yeah, that's amazing,it is amazing, that is amazing,
that's fantastic.
Yeah, that's amazing, it isamazing, that is amazing, that's
fantastic.
Yeah, grandbabies, I telleverybody all the time,
grandbabies, they say it, butuntil you experience it,
grandbabies, just, I love mychildren, I love my children.
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But I've turned into adifferent woman with grandbabies
, exactly, and they're hilariousand they keep you humble.
Mine will tell me, like whenthey were little Tammy, you have
a baby in your tummy.
Oh, listen, honey, I promiseyou, tammy does not have a baby
in her tummy, you don't?
You like bubble that we get.
(05:40):
The little one pipes up and shewas only two and she goes here,
you do, tammy, right, there, Isee it.
I look like a hunk when I'mnothing, or a workout into yes,
you want to break into song atthat point, don't you?
That reminds me of a videowhere my youngest daughter,
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after I had my third, she saidis there another baby coming out
?
The things our kids say that weget a little bit, yes, a little
bit.
But then our grandkids saystuff to their parents.
But we know that.
I remember having my secondchild and my mom standing over
me at the hospital and sayingHoney, are you sure there's not
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another one in there?
Oh, my God, you feel likeyou've lost a ton of weight
after you give birth.
You feel like I'm laying herelike Barbie and then somebody
comes in.
Then somebody says somethinglike you made your mom to know
it's so big.
Yes, I say all the time thereare those funny moments, but
there are also some sweetmoments.
I remember when we were at thepark.
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We have two sets.
I have five granddaughters andone grandson and one on the way.
We don't know who it is yet,but the older twins.
We have two sets of twins, sothe older twins we were at the
park.
They were staying with us whenmom and dad were out of town and
I remember Nora came running upto me with some little
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dandelions and some littleclover out of the grass at the
park little clover out of thegrass at the park.
I just sat there and looked atthose and I thought I didn't
realize that the last time alittle person ever gave me my
flowers from the park or thelawn, that would be the last
time.
You just don't think about it.
And all of a sudden I'm holdingflowers that some little fist
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gave up to me and handed me, andit's all those kind of things
too.
It's this big circle that takesyou from these funny outlandish
moments to these heart-changingmoments that are just amazing.
Life takes us on a journey,right, lutan, as we said, the
theme of your new book is thejourney that we go on and how,
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at the end of the day, we'rerelying on God's strength and to
focus on our joy.
What in this season?
You don't have kids at home?
You don't have little kidsrunning maybe some of them some
of the time, but why in thisseason are you talking about
this?
Why, in this season, are youtalking about this?
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Why I'm talking about this isbecause I need God's strength
more than ever.
I've experienced a lot of losswithin the last five years.
If I gave you the list it wouldbe a little overwhelming and
that list would include father,brother, best friends plural
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nieces, matthews.
We have a big family and with abig family you will experience
a lot of love that you get older.
There have been other things.
My husband had a 99 blockage inthe widow maker and he will to
be here, and that we get tocelebrate four years of marriage
is just a miracle that I don'ttake for granted, because
there's lots of women that Italk to that didn't get that
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next opportunity to have theirhusband longer Because, as the
widowmakers like to have fam andyou're gone, and so we feel
very blessed in that way.
So I was standing in my kitchenand I was praying about what my
next book was going to be, amber, and I remember just hearing
that gentle nudge that I havelearned to recognize as a Lord.
You know how we have thatunique little, not an audible
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voice, it's just we learn torecognize His voice the more we
press down to His heart and Ijust remember asking what is the
next felt need for me?
Because I always approachwriting from what do I need in
my life?
Because I write first for me,knowing that if it doesn't mean
something to me, if I can't betransparent enough to open up my
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wounded places, then itprobably won't mean, as my
southern mother and grandparentswould say, a hill of beans.
That's why I need strength andjoy right now is that life is a
journey and it is sometimes fullof laughter and hilarity and we
can learn to laugh as we go andI think when we hit the wall
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with a sad place, we still havean abundance of joy down in us.
That ends up being the thingthat produces strength.
It's like a segue that opens upthis road that God can just
come in and just fill us withthe strength that we don't have.
We need all that he gives andall that we're not.
It's so true, so true.
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I know that it's hard to knowwhat joy feels like, because
sometimes it's this okay, it'sgoing to be up, it's going to be
down, it's going to be.
Is God's solid foundation inour life, the assurance that
he's always there and he alwayscarries the load.
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That makes everything lighter.
I love that, and it's not theroller coaster.
I grew up in the Pentecostalchurch, so did Lisa.
That's a main part of your upgoing and you're looking.
Sometimes we focus on thespiritual roller coaster of yeah
, a right hand.
(11:30):
I'm a bit thinking BlanksSometimes.
I think something and this is achapter that was very
significant in our bookSometimes we feel like if we
don't have happy, that's joy,that we must not be Christian
enough.
If we are focused or feelingthe weight of those things that
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are not what we experience asjoy, then there must be
something wrong with our walk ormaybe God's just not listening
to us.
And really joy is a much deeperaspect than just the smile on
our face, the laughter, becausewe can laugh at the most
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inappropriate times.
Can you have it?
I feel like it's that littlelike when you have a teapot.
Sometimes the most intensemoments really intense, all of a
sudden laughter, just something.
We pop up and say somethingfunny and it just lets that
steam of the moment out.
But tell us a little bit aboutthat, latan, because I am sure
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that you have an understandingof what that feels like, the
intensity of two very similaremotions all at the same moment
For sure.
I want to really be tender herewith your listeners about this,
because I think it's an epidemicfor most of us women that we
swing from feeling exuberantlyjoy to what is wrong with me,
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what's broken.
Why can't I feel joyful when Ihave the king of Kings as my
Lord?
Something's broken and I wantto say to you that's the time
that you can press into your joyeven more, because joy is not
like you said, it's not afeeling, it's not all the
expressions that we do as aresult of being happy or joyful,
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but it is the confidence inknowing that we serve a holy God
who owns all the cattle on athousand hillsides.
He's going to provide for uswhen we are down to the last
dollar.
Who is Jehovah Jireh, ourprovider?
Who is the God of peace thatgives us peace in the middle of
every storm of our life, eventhough from an outside
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perspective it does not makesense that we should have peace.
He is the strength.
All of these things wrap up whohe is, and just this little
doesn't even scratch the surface, y'all, of who he is, but he is
the God who meets us in themoments that matter most, when
we feel the most undone, he sayshang on, honey, because I'm not
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done the old writing that storyin all of our lives.
And he has this ability to bewho he is and to give us his
strength because he alreadyknows our beginning to the
ending and he said it's good.
He says hang on, honey, it'sgoing to be good.
So when I feel that fluffyfeeling that the world tells us
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is joy, that becomes my joy inremembering what God said, who
he says he is, and that this isthe God.
You guys, that's not just uphere and all around that, but he
is in here, inside of each oneof us.
He's that omnipresent God whois everywhere at once and we
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carry his presence inside of us.
I'm running down my drivewayhere in a minute, right.
If she reads the camera, weknow she's doing one of those
joy sprints.
She reads the camera, we knowshe's been doing one of those
joy sprints.
Can you give us like I know yousaid you'd been through some
stuff.
We've all walked through somestuff.
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I know that some of us getaround to the stuff a little
sooner in life than others.
Not everyone has the stuff hitthem right off the bat.
But then there are some of uswho've been walking a long time
with a lot of grief and traumathat has been there consistently
.
It almost feels like from ourbeginning.
Can you talk to us about whatis an experience where it was so
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dark for you at the moment andthen you realized I have to put
one foot in front of the other?
What are some practical thingsthat God showed you to take hold
of during those moments?
You want me to go back tolittle LaTan.
You can go back to whateverLaTan you need to to share that
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question, that answer.
Need to to share that question,that answer.
I was that little kid who hadvery terrible teeth and was very
insecure about that and who didnot grow up with a lot of money
, but I grew up in a house withmuch love and God.
I didn't know that we didn'thave a lot of money because you
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felt like you had a lot in othercategories of your life.
But then when the kids make funof you or the teacher holds
your picture up in front of thewhole class and I don't think it
was her intent to make fun, butit did embarrass me so badly at
such a young age.
And I remember that feeling ofhaving the spotlight on me in a
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way that did not feel likeedifying, it felt like critical,
like in a way that I had notexperienced that kind of
criticism and exposure tosomething that wasn't good on
the physical.
And it's amazing how you carrythose things through your life.
We do, we collect them likethey're little sad treasures,
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and they do.
We carry them with them Fromthe time we're young.
We can remember moments, yeah,but we can also turn those
moments, if we let ourselves,into the greatest strength of
our character.
And I remember, as an adultwoman, running across that
little picture of me grinningfrom ear to ear, and I was so
upset that the photographer mademe smile because my teeth were
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so bad.
And I remember taking thatlittle picture and putting it in
my wallet and I said to myselfmy adult self now you will
remember that day and this isgoing to be a source of strength
and power for you in your adultlife because you're going to be
so intentional with how you useyour words to others.
You can purposefully just feelfor your future.
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That turns from pain to powerand I remember that.
So that was a good thing andwhat's funny, I have to tell you
the reason my teeth were rottenis my mom and dad would leave
me with my grandparents and mygranddad would empty a medicine
bottle and he would put M&Ms inthere for my medicine I think
they all have.
When my medicine was gone, mywould.
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My friend says I need to feel,and he would get me more m&ms
and fill them with mom's in that.
The cutest thing.
That was hilarious.
I always say my little leatherpurse with the frayed.
Remember back in the day, and Iremember than me, but it had
frayed little things and I was.
I said I got my addictions outyoung.
I would have my pill bottlewith my M&Ms.
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I had my cigar, bubblegumcigars, my box of candy
cigarettes.
So that's working well, andthat little spiral would go up
in the air.
Yes, so I got my addictions outearly.
But back to your point, though Ihad to share that.
That's why my teeth were sorotten.
That's funny.
Back to your point, though.
I had to share that.
That's why my teeth were sorotten.
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The point is here, you guys,that the enemy loves to
capitalize on our pain as women.
Yeah, and he will zoom in timeand time again on that fresh
place that still stings and Iuse a childhood memory, but
there are many adult memories.
Yeah, and I use a childhoodmemory, but there are many adult
memories.
Yeah, I know that it's so hard,especially with appearance and
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everything.
You talked about your teeth andI've had a similar incident
with my grandmother sayingsomething critical and harsh in
a moment where that was not thebest timing, to say that I would
never look like a professionalperson if I had a space between
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my teeth, and I think that's whywe were talking earlier.
We do this barefaced becausenaturally I want to be
comfortable being who I am, butdoes that mean I have to impress
people with makeup or awell-coiffed hair every time?
And I had to get over that.
I had an eating disorder when Iwas early in my marriage,
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namely because I lived inEngland and everyone said
Americans have fat bums.
That was the big thing, andthen I was just like I'm not
eating anything.
I got bulimic.
I exercised all the timebecause I thought to look like
presentable or to not look likewhat everybody else considered
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fat Americans.
I had to go into a verydestructive cycle where I was
totally preoccupied with what Iloved, right, and that was such
a hard place to be as women.
And it's where we scrutinizeourselves so much, and we
scrutinize ourselves not onlyabout our appearance but our
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godliness, and we feel like wecan't be real.
In fact, I always say we feellike we're lying for God.
We want to have something, wehave something to say, but we
don't feel like we look goodenough to say it in front of the
public because we're such andsuch how many pounds overweight,
our clothes don't fit us likewe need to do.
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I see how that it can be a verydiscouraging place and it can
also nullify what you think Godwants you to do with your life.
I see this across the boardwith every age group, don't you
guys?
And even when I'm speaking togroups of women, I've never felt
more impressed and I feel likewe share the same heart here.
Just the conversation we'rehaving.
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I can tell that we've allexperienced that same thing
we're talking about, and I'llsee women in the audience and
you can just see it in theireyes like that.
They're older women, they'relike in their last season and
you can just tell that life hasreally beaten them up so badly.
And I just want to say, girl,be thrilled that you can be like
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the palm tree planted by theriver's edge.
Do you know what I was saying?
Yeah, he doesn't say you haveyour leaves, you have to look a
certain way and hold a certainshape.
He says you can be that personto the end of your lives, filled
with life, filled with hisstrength, as your joy.
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Intentionally, not justphysically the way we look, but
internally, all of the stuffthat we go through in life that
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helps make us who we are.
He designed us a particular way.
I often worry too about thewomen, the people who feel the
need to always be tearing downothers.
What must be going inside ofthem to feel that it is their
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role to critique or to, and someof them I don't even feel like
they realize they're being harshor hurtful.
Sometimes they think they'rebeing helpful.
And I guess, too, it'simportant that on the other side
we are women who build up,encourage, speak life into
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others at all times your owninsecurities to come into play
and create a space where youfeel like you have to.
It's your personal job to tellother people how to be, because
that is a hard, that's not agood space either to be that
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person that's locked intofeeling they have to do that.
Yeah, I bet your grandmotherwasn't told to be mean.
Yeah, I bet your grandmotherwasn't at all and he wasn't told
to be mean.
That's right.
Yeah, well, it's hand.
Talk about even.
As we grow and seasons changeand as we move into seasons, we
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naturally we look towards thewisdom of others to help guide
us in it, and a lot of times weneed discernment into what's
helping and what's those hurtingvoices, because I think a lot
of us have gotten into a mode ofwhat we absorb and then those
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things that we push away.
How do you balance that?
How do you see when someonecritiques?
How do you get that discernment?
How do you feel personally whensomeone critiques in a negative
way yeah oh, I have had plenty,we could go on for hours of
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that and critiqued in a negativeway?
Yeah oh, I have had plenty, wecould go on for hours of that.
People that come to you with anagenda.
That is not anything from God'spart you guys.
I've had more than my share.
We would have to talk anothertime.
This needs to be like volumeone and 20.
But what I will say is to theseladies that have held on to that
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is that it becomes nobody'spoison but your own, and you
deserve to advocate foryourselves because you have the
living truth within you as abeliever, as a devouter of God,
as a leading lady.
These ladies write about it.
You have the ability hardwiredwithin you.
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Today, this is not my father'svoice, and I've literally stood
in the shower before and let thewaterfall arm me on a day when
I was struggling to shake it alland I would just say, in the
name of Jesus, this is not myfather's voice.
That's right, moving today inwhat my father has to say about
me.
What can I learn from thiscomment that was made about me
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so that it becomes fuel fortomorrow in a powerful way and
y'all it does Like it teachesyou, like it's ugly boot camp,
right, it shouldn't have beensaid.
It shouldn't have been said yes.
It should not have beenpresented the way that it was,
in the hurtful way thatsometimes I think women are like
.
My grandmother said it.
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Well, she said you know what,bertina, just because you grow
up doesn't mean that you reallygrow up.
She says old women are reallylike little girls with wrinkled
hair and sometimes y'all, ifwe're not careful this was a
challenge for me, first y'all.
We're not careful, this is achallenge for me, first y'all.
And if it speaks into any ofthe listeners, please, I'm
thankful for it.
But just know, this is themessage I reach to myself every
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day on some level is, girl, youget to choose how you're going
to use this heartache, howyou're going to be, how you're
going to allow these words toshape your life.
You get the jeeps.
Yeah, I agree totally, and Iwas thinking about how we let,
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if we, those kind of words caneither poison our spirits or
they can propel us forward.
Propel us forward.
And we can't sit in toxic andfeel his joy, because the toxins
of words or things that you'veeven and we've spoken about this
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before those things that havebeen spoken over you, they can
affect the seasons of life andhow you move forward through
those seasons more than youthink.
Even those subconscious things,they can how you approach the
next season.
So, latan, in that vein, whatdo you feel Looking forward?
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How are you approaching thisseason in your life?
Where do you see God taking you?
I'm thinking about a lady that Imet who was in a nursing home
and she was trapped in her mindwith herbs that her mother had
spoken over.
And I remember sitting thereand taking that in as wisdom for
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today and saying to myself letme learn from this woman to let
go of my hurts and heartache asI move along.
It's a journey, like we said inthe beginning, it's not always
easy, but y'all, we can do it.
With history we can.
And I remember just sittingthere and thinking I don't want
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to be if I'm ever in a nursinghome.
God forbid, you know, not in myright mind.
I don't want it to be that lastthing that's left lingering way
back in my brain.
It's something that I could notlet go of, that it's fuel for
the enemy to torn it, in fact,at the end of my race.
So today, what I'm doing is thatis trying to ask the Lord.
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Every day I say Lord, no matterwhat my emotions are.
Y'all, we have this emotionalgauge that sometimes it's all it
just is.
We don't know why always wewake up in the mornings and we
just can't pull our big girlpeonies up high in the morning
Because there's so much going onin our lives at all times.
I don't know about you guys,but in my life, every day, at
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all times, there aremulti-layered things going on,
yeah, and, and our, ourattention is constantly this and
this.
But if I can just this, thisone thing, if I can gift this to
the listeners, that helping meright now and today is that I
will center myself with the lordin the morning and ask him to
take every thought captured byhis power.
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Lord, let me hear the sound ofyour voice, let me recognize the
sound of your voice Before Ieven remember the sound of
anybody else's.
Help me to recognize the soundof your voice.
I can't even tell you how thathas changed the scenarios and
sometimes he's not speaking.
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Change the scenarios.
And sometimes he's not speaking, and sometimes it just makes me
know that he's sitting with meand comforting in the quiet
places.
You know, I share a day wheremaybe I don't have an
appointment but I'm workingthrough my head.
Does that make sense?
It does, it makes perfect sense.
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I'm at this point in life wherewe've been caregiver for my mom
for several years and then lastDecember we moved her to a care
facility.
She needed skilled nursing careat all times and it's been a
difficult journey, but I willsay that, as you were talking
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about wanting to be that womansomeday who doesn't, when you
get bumped up against, doesn'tspew something that's going to
tear someone else down, and it'sno, automatically just by the
countenance of someone, whetheror not they dealt with this
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stuff and moving past it, we dobecome very childlike.
In our later years we kind ofresort back and at least I've
witnessed that seem to happenwith people and you don't want
to be that person and whensomebody bumps up against you,
you just create this problem forthem and how they feel.
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Personally, I remember a pastorfriend said one time I want to
be a sweet old man when I getold.
I want to be that sweet old man.
I don't want to be that angry,bitter, and I think you're right
.
Old man, I don't want to bethat angry, bitter, and I think
you're right.
We do have to pray and allowGod to help take those thoughts
captive and to really get inthere and give us that joy, that
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true joy, so that when we arebumped up against, it comes
flowing out.
Yeah, I think everything youguys are saying is just helping
me so much today and it's sorich.
This conversation is just someaningful because, also, a
conversation I had the other daywith somebody was I think that
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if we're going to reallyexperience this strength and joy
, we have to reevaluate thefriends that we're aligning
ourselves with.
Oh yeah, I feel about thissweet want women that want to be
in, these godly women, and nowwe still want to have that word
of God locked up and it's comingout, no matter where we land in
a facility or Right.
I feel like we can.
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I feel like there are momentswhere we can totally
misunderstand each other.
Yeah, we're so caught up in thebuzz of our life that we start
to really misunderstandsomeone's heart and their intent
, and it can go both ways.
We actually can be so busy thatwe're not quite catching what
they're throwing and it's reallynot, and we can accuse people
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of coming from a space thatthey're not coming from at all.
We have to slow down, take adeep breath and really try to
put on this joy, this kindness,this softness.
We really have to knowinglymake a choice to be that person,
because we just reactconstantly.
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We do, we are in a constantstate of reacting and sometimes
I have to do okay, slow down,especially if I feel like maybe
I've misunderstood somebody'sheart.
You have to check yourself inthat moment.
I know Ask somebody to when theyhurt you like this is the
couple times I think I shot theperson.
But I knew that it was sohurtful that I walked away from
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that scenario.
I was going to hold on to it.
I just knew it Because I'm withthem, I think the thing that I
would say.
I leaned in and said can I askyou, did you know that?
The way it came out and the wayI'm doing it Right?
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This is what I heard you sayand I don't want to walk away
from you offended.
I don't choose that to you.
I think that's perfectly.
That's called wisdom.
I feel like, as we get olderalso, we have this impression
that for us to be these reallywarm, fuzzy, great Christian
women who are wise, that we'realways soft and we can be
tempered but also have wisdom tostop a moment and say it's
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important, because I don't wantto carry that.
I think that was brilliant andI think that is something we
could all start to do when wehave those moments where the
hair on the back of our neckstarts to stand up and we're
going what did I just hear?
And that's that whole practicewhat you just talked about,
letian and that's that wholepractice what you just talked
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about, letian of evaluating yourday and seeing what you've
picked up in your day that mightbe negatively weighing you down
.
Now there's circumstances thatwe walk through that we know
we're going to have to walkthrough again tomorrow, that we
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know we're going to have to walkthrough again tomorrow.
But we have to constantly beaware of the emotional and
physical and mental baggage thatwe take into the next day and
it drains our strength.
It does drain our strength.
And how are we?
A lot of times you ignore it.
Yeah, this is the way life is.
It's not going to change andit's not going to get better.
It's like huge dumpster fire.
It's just what it is.
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But we don't have to let itclutter the goodness, because we
can allow the joy in our lifeto be cluttered with the trash
of our day, the heaviness thatcomes around us, and we have to
be able to clean that out.
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Yeah, that has to be able toclean that out.
Yeah, that has to beintentional.
I think it has to beintentional.
You have to be willing.
You can do it in a loving way.
You can do it in a way that'sloving to you.
Even it's as simple as stoppinga conversation and dealing with
it is the same principle foryourself Taking that moment to
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stop where your mind is going,weigh it with what you know of
God, his character and how hewants you to be able to walk in
confidence through those momentsthat are difficult.
I know we're always concernedwhen we confront situations that
we are going to cause moreconflict.
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Maybe we'll say something wrong, maybe we'll do something wrong
and we risk damaging arelationship.
But I think fornon-confrontation you risk
relationship because it becomesthe uncomfortable place.
We have to work on the HolySpirit to give us the wisdom to
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know when to move forward inconversation and when not to.
I really have appreciatedtalking about this because we
need to get to seasons in ourlives that we stop trying to
carry the baggage of our days.
I think that there will be a lotof people listening that just
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feel down in everything and theydon't know how to unpack it.
Maybe they've never unpacked it.
How would you encourage them?
Today is the best day to beborn.
It is never too late and youmight be surprised, when you
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really get serious about this,that there's more within you
than you realize, that you'veshut down, thinking that
godliness is passivity.
Godliness is not being passive.
Godliness is knowing when tospeak and when not to speak, and
knowing who lives within us andhow we want to represent him.
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But we can't represent him verywell if we're weighed down by
all the things that rob our joyand y'all not having joy in our
life.
It doesn't happen.
It's not like one thing thathappened in our day or in our
week or in our months or in ouryears or in 10 years.
It's this slow, gradualprogression that seeps in
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through the crevices of ourlives and slowly robs us of joy.
And it's all these littlethings we talked about today.
It's about relationships.
It's about harboring things.
It's about not being able tospeak a truth that needs to be
spoken.
It's about not having theboldness to approach somebody
and say did you mean this theway I interpret it?
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Because I don't want to liveoffended with you, I care too
much and I will walk away fromthis and misunderstand you.
It's about doing all thesethings and being so diligent
that we carry the presence ofGod.
So we're representing.
We are, like your book says,leading ladies, we're leading
the way out, so it doesn't meanwe always get it right.
It might be that we're the onesthat go and say we need to
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freeze.
Exactly, and I have a tosharpen something against you
and you forgive me, and it hasworn me out in my head.
My physical body is tired fromit, y'all.
This is how our strength isdrained and our joy is wrong.
Right, and we have a lot ofideas in our head that people
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bring us joy, pastimes bring usjoy.
If we put our joy dependent onanything in our lives, it's
going to be dependent oncircumstances, people, whatever.
It will always be a rollercoaster, always Right, yes, and
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we don't even realize.
I think when we sit down withthe board, if we're really
serious about this, like wantingtomorrow to be better than even
today and planning for it, whenwe're going to take a trip as
women, we start getting our headaround what we need to do to
make that trip happen and thatwe had all the things that we
need, that trip happened andthat we had all the things that
we need.
And I think, if we looked atour lives, like we started this
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conversation so beautifully youguys talked about the journey of
life, how it is a journey.
If we could really get back tothat and come full circle in
this conversation.
That was a beautiful way tostart this, because life is a
journey and everything we'retalking about is not a choice to
do one thing and you're done.
It's all the time.
It's always going to besomething, because the enemy
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loves to create chaos in ourlives and he doesn't want us to
be strong and joyful.
He wants us to be wimpy,lifeless people that are sad all
the time and depressed andincapable of living whole lives.
That can represent the part ofJesus that could, leifa, do you
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have any final wrap-up thingsthat you want to leave people
with from our conversation?
I just want to take a minuteand just go back to some of the
things, and I really like whatLaTan just said.
We did start the conversationjust being silly, but then we
very quickly started talkingabout how life does take us full
service.
Some of the things that I wantedto repeat were you talked about
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, latan, just when you havethose daily moments, just Pick a
time where you honestly praythat God would help take all
those thoughts captive.
It's a truth that a lot oftimes we get so busy.
But it's a simple prayer.
It's a simple God, please takeevery thought captive that is
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just causing me to not get itstraight with someone or not be
able to walk in joy, not be ableto walk comfortable in the skin
that you created me in.
God, take that captive and, atthe same time as you pray that,
asking him to help you evaluatethe day.
Did you pick up weight that youshouldn't have carried?
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Did you draw things in with youthat you shouldn't have brought
along with you?
So technically, it's that wholeconcept of being in a constant
communion with Father, justsaying to him from the moment
you wake in the morning, God, Iwant you to take every thought
captive.
And as you lay your head downon the pillow at night, god, if
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I picked up anything I shouldn'thave, could you help me to lay
that to the side?
And I'm sure there are going tobe those moments where we have
to say, just like you said okay,god, I can't just set this one
to the side.
How do you want me to deal withit, with wisdom, with your
spirit?
How do you want me to walk intothis?
And I feel like those are justsimple truths.
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They might think what kind offluff are these women talking
about?
But we're talking about a verydeep thing that the enemy uses
to keep us from being everythingGod intends us to be.
It keeps broken and stuck andcritical, and that's not his
best for us.
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And, yeah, we got to give thatto him all along the way, from
the beginning of the day to theend of the day.
Yeah, and once again comes outlike what poison we're bringing
here.
This is what we're trying toevaluate who are the key voices
in our lives on a daily basis?
Yeah, because we're going tospew that onto our husbands and
our children.
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And it comes out whether wewant it to or not.
Lutan, as we close out this timetogether, can you close us in
prayer for that woman who may bestuck in poison and not be
feeling the joy that God wantsto give her to walk freely into
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the season that he wants to takeher into?
Yeah, but you lead us in prayer.
I'd be honored.
Thank you for having me.
God Father, I just want to saythank you for these women, thank
you for these reading ladiesthat lead so beautifully others
to your heart, and how thisconversation has encouraged me
today, Lord, I pray with my eyeswidened than right now, because
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my fourth grade teacher told meto Lord.
So you are the God of light and, lord, I just thank you for the
women that are listening.
If there are men listening, Ipray that they'll look in the
mirror today.
They'll apologize to themselvesfirst and ask themselves will
you forgive me for being socritical of you?
Will you forgive me for thethings I said?
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Will you forgive me for howI've talked so poorly about what
you look like, how incapableyou are, what a terrible mother
you are.
What an awful wife you are.
What a terrible friend you are.
Will you forgive me because youare the daughter?
An awful wife you are.
What a terrible friend you are.
Will you forgive me Because youare the daughter that my most
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high God, great Satan, aired mymother's womb, the numbers of
hair that I'll have on my head,and God loves me so much.
I am his treasure.
So will you forgive me, lutan?
And then, lord, will youforgive me for not representing
your heart in the right way thatit deserves, because I've
allowed the enemy to creep intothe cracks of my life.
I've allowed these little tinythings to build up and rob me of
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strength and joy.
And, lord, I want to be a womanwho is able to represent how
strong you are, how faithful youare, how you are the stronger
one in the middle of ourweaknesses, and model that.
And, lord, I thank you so muchfor the show.
I pray that you would just letso many people who touched by
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this that your name would belifted high that you would get
all the glory, lord, for everyword that's been spoken today.
We want our lives to glorifyyou more than anything.
We will name, we preach.
I was thinking this while thisjust came to mind.
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There might be some women outthere that are just really
struggling with what they'refeeling as far as their identity
in their day and the words thathave been spoken over them, and
I just think that maybe writesome of those words down, maybe
write some of those strugglesdown, what you've struggled with
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, how you've struggled, seeingyourself, and then in in
prayerful contemplation, ask godwho am I to you?
What do you say?
I am yes, and in that he willspeak truth, truth, yes, yeah,
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lisa, I know that we're at theclose and we have some things to
wrap up, some housekeeping.
She's the housekeeper of thepodcast, not of my own house,
but of CloudFood.
Yes, I am.
We are, as most of you.
We are in the midst of our minilaunch week.
Last year, we were able tolaunch our book Leading Ladies
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Discover your God-Grown Strategyfor Success, and just within
this past few months we've beenworking on getting a companion
journal workbook put out.
It's Leading Ladies, myDiscovery and Next Steps Journal
, and so right now, if you areinterested, if you've gotten the
book from the very beginning wesaid we wish we would have had
(47:44):
more space to actually give youjournaling space and to go
deeper with the questions thejournal right now we have a
little video that kind of walksthrough the journal and tells
you how to use it in conjunctionwith the book.
It just takes you deeper thanthe book took you, so we want
you to get a copy of it,especially if you have the book.
It just takes you deeper thanthe book took you, so we want
you to get a copy of it,especially if you have the book.
If you don't have the book, getthe book and the journal.
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We have a little bundleavailable and right now I bet
you Amber is going to be soawesome, she'll even put it like
in the description so peoplecan find the links to that.
So we invite you to journeydeeper with us.
We have also what I mightmention in our store, which I'll
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put in our leading ladies Etsystore.
We have a beautiful gift box,one of which has been lovingly
hand knotted by Miss Lisa Burns.
So all our craft, these handsare always making things, yes,
thump Like a fever.
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Yeah, we have this beautifulmacrame key chain.
The new Abide Leading LadiesFragrance Spray.
You're going to want to getthat.
It's so good, my god mom, it'sso yummy, so good.
And we have all these beautifulgoodies in that.
You're going to want to getthat gift box.
Did you know this month isWomen's Health?
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Actually, I don't know whichday it is, but Women's Health,
official Women's Health Day,international Women's Health Day
, yes.
So if you need some help, getthis box, get this book.
Let's fan.
Shoot your website address out,if you could.
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Yeah, I will give you that.
It's watannmurphycom.
I would love for you guys to goover and subscribe.
Oh, that's awesome.
Until next time.
We'd love you to go to ouranywhere.
You're getting your podcasts.
Please subscribe, share.
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You can find out all thosegoodies there.
So until next time, take care,and God bless Bye-bye.
I'm going to probably add in all the outtakes right
now.
It's a pity that we didn'tactually talk about eyebrow hair
.
Well, amber's making a newthing that she feels good for
viewing.
If we talk the most ridiculous,why don't you ask me what?
There is a season that I reallydread most about my body
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changes.
Well, we have lists.
I think it would be hilarious.
I have a bunch of things and,on that note, welcome everyone
to this new edition of Copy Chat.
We have an amazing friend withus Nashville, do you have some
cowboy boots?
What's your hand?
Do you have cowboy boots?
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I do.
Do you have a cowboy boots?
What, tan?
Do you have cowboy hats?
Do you have a cowboy hat?
I do have one hat.
I don't know if it classifiesas a cowboy hat, but it's a cool
hat, a Nashville cool hat.
And do you have a horse?
Do you own a horse or a stuffedhorse?
I do not.
Look, can I watch?
She does have a horse.
Oh my good, look, can I watch.
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She does have a horse On theramp.
I still get all right here Lies, and we don't even make a mess.
That's the best.
Mind a horse, mind horses makea mess and they're big, fluffy
white dogs.
But to talk to you today, latlatan.
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We started our podcast talkingabout the changing seasons of
life and the changing seasons ofwhere hair is growing in our
midlife and be a.
Latan.
Latan showed up.
She's just gorgeous and I waslike no, that our thing here is
to be barefaced.
And you made the comment thatyou had to have your eyebrows
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tattooed on.
I had them drawn on, drawn on.
What do they do?
It's some other name, hina orsomething, something like that.
I don't know what the girl youneed.
She does her magic because Ihave no idea that if you get
older, your eyebrows are goingto want to change into something
else.
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They want to be mustached,half-baked hair or we won't even
talk about what else.
Let's not discuss thereanywhere else.
Think monkey, amber, stop,amber, stop, don't.
She is not to be trusted.
She is not to be trusted.
My place that I'm starting togrow hair is like right in this
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mall, and I always thought thatwas the worst place, because you
look like those old gypsy women.
Don't plug him until afterHalloween.
We have some other things totalk about other than where our
hair is.
I think that we have to keep itreal and I'm pleased you guys
saying that I look so nice.
It's hilarious becauseeverybody who saw my post last
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week with no makeup on knows thereal deal.
So we like to show up how weare Mostly for me, rolled out of
bed, lisa with her eyebrows, Ihave to have eyebrows on.
Hi, bro, you have to raise youreyebrows at amber.
Then you wanted to see it.
Yeah, yeah, well, and that issomething we have to do quite a
bit around.
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Such a great segue because we'retalking about seasons and we
all go through many seasons oflife as women, our change not
only to just marriage, kids,empty nest syndrome, but we have
a lot of things that go on andwe all do with.
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Just life happens, it does, andwe have.
And Lutean has a new book outand I won't say who the amazing
designer is, but her strengthand her joy.
There we go Right here.
Yeah, that's her, that's her,that's the one she did that,
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that beautiful.
Yeah, it's called Strength HerJoy, strength Her Joy.
And I know you have a couple ofother books too.
You have, I have a copy ofCourageous Women of the Bible.
Yes, that's one.
Connected Our Parts is our lovefor teaching about the women of
the Bible.
Yes, I love the thing.
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And then also you have onesaying Becoming a Woman of
Interior Elegance.
I am intrigued.
I'm intrigued saying becoming awoman of interior elegance.
I am in a field, I mean, thatboth gives my most hilarious,
embarrassing moments of life.
Then, really, then it's perfectfor this show, right?
Yeah, you and so you're married, unmarried, and this year, you
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guys, we celebrated 40 years.
You need to know, I knew itwhen I was 10.
No Child bride here.
I know you have grandchildren,but what about your children?
I have three children, two boysand a girl.
And then I have threegrandchildren, two girls and a
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boy.
Oh, wow, yeah, that's amazing,it is amazing, that is amazing,
that's fantastic.
Yeah, that's amazing, it isamazing, that is amazing, that's
fantastic.
Yeah, grandbabies, I telleverybody all the time,
grandbabies, they say it, butuntil you experience it,
grandbabies, just, I love mychildren, I love my children.
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But I've turned into adifferent woman with grandbabies
, exactly, and they're hilariousand they keep you humble.
Mine will tell me, like whenthey were little Tammy, you have
a baby in your tummy.
Oh, listen, honey, I promiseyou, tammy does not have a baby
in her tummy, you don't?
You like bubble that we get.
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The little one pipes up and shewas only two and she goes here,
you do, tammy, right, there, Isee it.
I look like a hunk when I'mnothing, or a workout into yes,
you want to break into song atthat point, don't you?
That reminds me of a videowhere my youngest daughter,
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after I had my third, she saidis there another baby coming out
?
The things our kids say that weget a little bit, yes, a little
bit.
But then our grandkids saystuff to their parents.
But we know that.
I remember having my secondchild and my mom standing over
me at the hospital and sayingHoney, are you sure there's not
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another one in there?
Oh, my God, you feel likeyou've lost a ton of weight
after you give birth.
You feel like I'm laying herelike Barbie and then somebody
comes in.
Then somebody says somethinglike you made your mom to know
it's so big.
Yes, I say all the time thereare those funny moments, but
there are also some sweetmoments.
I remember when we were at thepark.
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We have two sets.
I have five granddaughters andone grandson and one on the way.
We don't know who it is yet,but the older twins.
We have two sets of twins, sothe older twins we were at the
park.
They were staying with us whenmom and dad were out of town and
I remember Nora came running upto me with some little
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dandelions and some littleclover out of the grass at the
park little clover out of thegrass at the park.
I just sat there and looked atthose and I thought I didn't
realize that the last time alittle person ever gave me my
flowers from the park or thelawn, that would be the last
time.
You just don't think about it.
And all of a sudden I'm holdingflowers that some little fist
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gave up to me and handed me, andit's all those kind of things
too.
It's this big circle that takesyou from these funny outlandish
moments to these heart-changingmoments that are just amazing.
Life takes us on a journey,right, lutan, as we said, the
theme of your new book is thejourney that we go on and how,
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at the end of the day, we'rerelying on God's strength and to
focus on our joy.
What in this season?
You don't have kids at home?
You don't have little kidsrunning maybe some of them some
of the time, but why in thisseason are you talking about
this?
Why, in this season, are youtalking about this?
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Why I'm talking about this isbecause I need God's strength
more than ever.
I've experienced a lot of losswithin the last five years.
If I gave you the list it wouldbe a little overwhelming and
that list would include father,brother, best friends plural
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nieces, matthews.
We have a big family and with abig family you will experience
a lot of love that you get older.
There have been other things.
My husband had a 99 blockage inthe widow maker and he will to
be here, and that we get tocelebrate four years of marriage
is just a miracle that I don'ttake for granted, because
there's lots of women that Italk to that didn't get that
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next opportunity to have theirhusband longer Because, as the
widowmakers like to have fam andyou're gone, and so we feel
very blessed in that way.
So I was standing in my kitchenand I was praying about what my
next book was going to be, amber, and I remember just hearing
that gentle nudge that I havelearned to recognize as a Lord.
You know how we have thatunique little, not an audible
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voice, it's just we learn torecognize His voice the more we
press down to His heart and Ijust remember asking what is the
next felt need for me?
Because I always approachwriting from what do I need in
my life?
Because I write first for me,knowing that if it doesn't mean
something to me, if I can't betransparent enough to open up my
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wounded places, then itprobably won't mean, as my
southern mother and grandparentswould say, a hill of beans.
That's why I need strength andjoy right now is that life is a
journey and it is sometimes fullof laughter and hilarity and we
can learn to laugh as we go andI think when we hit the wall
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with a sad place, we still havean abundance of joy down in us.
That ends up being the thingthat produces strength.
It's like a segue that opens upthis road that God can just
come in and just fill us withthe strength that we don't have.
We need all that he gives andall that we're not.
It's so true, so true.
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I know that it's hard to knowwhat joy feels like, because
sometimes it's this okay, it'sgoing to be up, it's going to be
down, it's going to be.
Is God's solid foundation inour life, the assurance that
he's always there and he alwayscarries the load.
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That makes everything lighter.
I love that, and it's not theroller coaster.
I grew up in the Pentecostalchurch, so did Lisa.
That's a main part of your upgoing and you're looking.
Sometimes we focus on thespiritual roller coaster of yeah
, a right hand.
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I'm a bit thinking BlanksSometimes.
I think something and this is achapter that was very
significant in our bookSometimes we feel like if we
don't have happy, that's joy,that we must not be Christian
enough.
If we are focused or feelingthe weight of those things that
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are not what we experience asjoy, then there must be
something wrong with our walk ormaybe God's just not listening
to us.
And really joy is a much deeperaspect than just the smile on
our face, the laughter, becausewe can laugh at the most
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inappropriate times.
Can you have it?
I feel like it's that littlelike when you have a teapot.
Sometimes the most intensemoments really intense, all of a
sudden laughter, just something.
We pop up and say somethingfunny and it just lets that
steam of the moment out.
But tell us a little bit aboutthat, latan, because I am sure
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that you have an understandingof what that feels like, the
intensity of two very similaremotions all at the same moment
For sure.
I want to really be tender herewith your listeners about this,
because I think it's an epidemicfor most of us women that we
swing from feeling exuberantlyjoy to what is wrong with me,
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what's broken.
Why can't I feel joyful when Ihave the king of Kings as my
Lord?
Something's broken and I wantto say to you that's the time
that you can press into your joyeven more, because joy is not
like you said, it's not afeeling, it's not all the
expressions that we do as aresult of being happy or joyful,
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but it is the confidence inknowing that we serve a holy God
who owns all the cattle on athousand hillsides.
He's going to provide for uswhen we are down to the last
dollar.
Who is Jehovah Jireh, ourprovider?
Who is the God of peace thatgives us peace in the middle of
every storm of our life, eventhough from an outside
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perspective it does not makesense that we should have peace.
He is the strength.
All of these things wrap up whohe is, and just this little
doesn't even scratch the surface, y'all, of who he is, but he is
the God who meets us in themoments that matter most, when
we feel the most undone, he sayshang on, honey, because I'm not
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done the old writing that storyin all of our lives.
And he has this ability to bewho he is and to give us his
strength because he alreadyknows our beginning to the
ending and he said it's good.
He says hang on, honey, it'sgoing to be good.
So when I feel that fluffyfeeling that the world tells us
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is joy, that becomes my joy inremembering what God said, who
he says he is, and that this isthe God.
You guys, that's not just uphere and all around that, but he
is in here, inside of each oneof us.
He's that omnipresent God whois everywhere at once and we
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carry his presence inside of us.
I'm running down my drivewayhere in a minute, right.
If she reads the camera, weknow she's doing one of those
joy sprints.
She reads the camera, we knowshe's been doing one of those
joy sprints.
Can you give us like I know yousaid you'd been through some
stuff.
We've all walked through somestuff.
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I know that some of us getaround to the stuff a little
sooner in life than others.
Not everyone has the stuff hitthem right off the bat.
But then there are some of uswho've been walking a long time
with a lot of grief and traumathat has been there consistently
.
It almost feels like from ourbeginning.
Can you talk to us about whatis an experience where it was so
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dark for you at the moment andthen you realized I have to put
one foot in front of the other?
What are some practical thingsthat God showed you to take hold
of during those moments?
You want me to go back tolittle LaTan.
You can go back to whateverLaTan you need to to share that
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question, that answer.
Need to to share that question,that answer.
I was that little kid who hadvery terrible teeth and was very
insecure about that and who didnot grow up with a lot of money
, but I grew up in a house withmuch love and God.
I didn't know that we didn'thave a lot of money because you
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felt like you had a lot in othercategories of your life.
But then when the kids make funof you or the teacher holds
your picture up in front of thewhole class and I don't think it
was her intent to make fun, butit did embarrass me so badly at
such a young age.
And I remember that feeling ofhaving the spotlight on me in a
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way that did not feel likeedifying, it felt like critical,
like in a way that I had notexperienced that kind of
criticism and exposure tosomething that wasn't good on
the physical.
And it's amazing how you carrythose things through your life.
We do, we collect them likethey're little sad treasures,
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and they do.
We carry them with them Fromthe time we're young.
We can remember moments, yeah,but we can also turn those
moments, if we let ourselves,into the greatest strength of
our character.
And I remember, as an adultwoman, running across that
little picture of me grinningfrom ear to ear, and I was so
upset that the photographer mademe smile because my teeth were
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so bad.
And I remember taking thatlittle picture and putting it in
my wallet and I said to myselfmy adult self now you will
remember that day and this isgoing to be a source of strength
and power for you in your adultlife because you're going to be
so intentional with how you useyour words to others.
You can purposefully just feelfor your future.
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That turns from pain to powerand I remember that.
So that was a good thing andwhat's funny, I have to tell you
the reason my teeth were rottenis my mom and dad would leave
me with my grandparents and mygranddad would empty a medicine
bottle and he would put M&Ms inthere for my medicine I think
they all have.
When my medicine was gone, mywould.
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My friend says I need to feel,and he would get me more m&ms
and fill them with mom's in that.
The cutest thing.
That was hilarious.
I always say my little leatherpurse with the frayed.
Remember back in the day, and Iremember than me, but it had
frayed little things and I was.
I said I got my addictions outyoung.
I would have my pill bottlewith my M&Ms.
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I had my cigar, bubblegumcigars, my box of candy
cigarettes.
So that's working well, andthat little spiral would go up
in the air.
Yes, so I got my addictions outearly.
But back to your point, though Ihad to share that.
That's why my teeth were sorotten.
That's funny.
Back to your point, though.
I had to share that.
That's why my teeth were sorotten.
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The point is here, you guys,that the enemy loves to
capitalize on our pain as women.
Yeah, and he will zoom in timeand time again on that fresh
place that still stings and Iuse a childhood memory, but
there are many adult memories.
Yeah, and I use a childhoodmemory, but there are many adult
memories.
Yeah, I know that it's so hard,especially with appearance and
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everything.
You talked about your teeth andI've had a similar incident
with my grandmother sayingsomething critical and harsh in
a moment where that was not thebest timing, to say that I would
never look like a professionalperson if I had a space between
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my teeth, and I think that's whywe were talking earlier.
We do this barefaced becausenaturally I want to be
comfortable being who I am, butdoes that mean I have to impress
people with makeup or awell-coiffed hair every time?
And I had to get over that.
I had an eating disorder when Iwas early in my marriage,
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namely because I lived inEngland and everyone said
Americans have fat bums.
That was the big thing, andthen I was just like I'm not
eating anything.
I got bulimic.
I exercised all the timebecause I thought to look like
presentable or to not look likewhat everybody else considered
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fat Americans.
I had to go into a verydestructive cycle where I was
totally preoccupied with what Iloved, right, and that was such
a hard place to be as women.
And it's where we scrutinizeourselves so much, and we
scrutinize ourselves not onlyabout our appearance but our
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godliness, and we feel like wecan't be real.
In fact, I always say we feellike we're lying for God.
We want to have something, wehave something to say, but we
don't feel like we look goodenough to say it in front of the
public because we're such andsuch how many pounds overweight,
our clothes don't fit us likewe need to do.
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I see how that it can be a verydiscouraging place and it can
also nullify what you think Godwants you to do with your life.
I see this across the boardwith every age group, don't you
guys?
And even when I'm speaking togroups of women, I've never felt
more impressed and I feel likewe share the same heart here.
Just the conversation we'rehaving.
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I can tell that we've allexperienced that same thing
we're talking about, and I'llsee women in the audience and
you can just see it in theireyes like that.
They're older women, they'relike in their last season and
you can just tell that life hasreally beaten them up so badly.
And I just want to say, girl,be thrilled that you can be like
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the palm tree planted by theriver's edge.
Do you know what I was saying?
Yeah, he doesn't say you haveyour leaves, you have to look a
certain way and hold a certainshape.
He says you can be that personto the end of your lives, filled
with life, filled with hisstrength, as your joy.
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Intentionally, not justphysically the way we look, but
internally, all of the stuffthat we go through in life that
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helps make us who we are.
He designed us a particular way.
I often worry too about thewomen, the people who feel the
need to always be tearing downothers.
What must be going inside ofthem to feel that it is their
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role to critique or to, and someof them I don't even feel like
they realize they're being harshor hurtful.
Sometimes they think they'rebeing helpful.
And I guess, too, it'simportant that on the other side
we are women who build up,encourage, speak life into
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others at all times your owninsecurities to come into play
and create a space where youfeel like you have to.
It's your personal job to tellother people how to be, because
that is a hard, that's not agood space either to be that
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person that's locked intofeeling they have to do that.
Yeah, I bet your grandmotherwasn't told to be mean.
Yeah, I bet your grandmotherwasn't at all and he wasn't told
to be mean.
That's right.
Yeah, well, it's hand.
Talk about even.
As we grow and seasons changeand as we move into seasons, we
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naturally we look towards thewisdom of others to help guide
us in it, and a lot of times weneed discernment into what's
helping and what's those hurtingvoices, because I think a lot
of us have gotten into a mode ofwhat we absorb and then those
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things that we push away.
How do you balance that?
How do you see when someonecritiques?
How do you get that discernment?
How do you feel personally whensomeone critiques in a negative
way yeah oh, I have had plenty,we could go on for hours of
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that and critiqued in a negativeway?
Yeah oh, I have had plenty, wecould go on for hours of that.
People that come to you with anagenda.
That is not anything from God'spart you guys.
I've had more than my share.
We would have to talk anothertime.
This needs to be like volumeone and 20.
But what I will say is to theseladies that have held on to that
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is that it becomes nobody'spoison but your own, and you
deserve to advocate foryourselves because you have the
living truth within you as abeliever, as a devouter of God,
as a leading lady.
These ladies write about it.
You have the ability hardwiredwithin you.
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Today, this is not my father'svoice, and I've literally stood
in the shower before and let thewaterfall arm me on a day when
I was struggling to shake it alland I would just say, in the
name of Jesus, this is not myfather's voice.
That's right, moving today inwhat my father has to say about
me.
What can I learn from thiscomment that was made about me
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so that it becomes fuel fortomorrow in a powerful way and
y'all it does Like it teachesyou, like it's ugly boot camp,
right, it shouldn't have beensaid.
It shouldn't have been said yes.
It should not have beenpresented the way that it was,
in the hurtful way thatsometimes I think women are like
.
My grandmother said it.
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Well, she said you know what,bertina, just because you grow
up doesn't mean that you reallygrow up.
She says old women are reallylike little girls with wrinkled
hair and sometimes y'all, ifwe're not careful this was a
challenge for me, first y'all.
We're not careful, this is achallenge for me, first y'all.
And if it speaks into any ofthe listeners, please, I'm
thankful for it.
But just know, this is themessage I reach to myself every
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day on some level is, girl, youget to choose how you're going
to use this heartache, howyou're going to be, how you're
going to allow these words toshape your life.
You get the jeeps.
Yeah, I agree totally, and Iwas thinking about how we let,
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if we, those kind of words caneither poison our spirits or
they can propel us forward.
Propel us forward.
And we can't sit in toxic andfeel his joy, because the toxins
of words or things that you'veeven and we've spoken about this
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before those things that havebeen spoken over you, they can
affect the seasons of life andhow you move forward through
those seasons more than youthink.
Even those subconscious things,they can how you approach the
next season.
So, latan, in that vein, whatdo you feel Looking forward?
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How are you approaching thisseason in your life?
Where do you see God taking you?
I'm thinking about a lady that Imet who was in a nursing home
and she was trapped in her mindwith herbs that her mother had
spoken over.
And I remember sitting thereand taking that in as wisdom for
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today and saying to myself letme learn from this woman to let
go of my hurts and heartache asI move along.
It's a journey, like we said inthe beginning, it's not always
easy, but y'all, we can do it.
With history we can.
And I remember just sittingthere and thinking I don't want
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to be if I'm ever in a nursinghome.
God forbid, you know, not in myright mind.
I don't want it to be that lastthing that's left lingering way
back in my brain.
It's something that I could notlet go of, that it's fuel for
the enemy to torn it, in fact,at the end of my race.
So today, what I'm doing is thatis trying to ask the Lord.
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Every day I say Lord, no matterwhat my emotions are.
Y'all, we have this emotionalgauge that sometimes it's all it
just is.
We don't know why always wewake up in the mornings and we
just can't pull our big girlpeonies up high in the morning
Because there's so much going onin our lives at all times.
I don't know about you guys,but in my life, every day, at
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all times, there aremulti-layered things going on,
yeah, and, and our, ourattention is constantly this and
this.
But if I can just this, thisone thing, if I can gift this to
the listeners, that helping meright now and today is that I
will center myself with the lordin the morning and ask him to
take every thought captured byhis power.
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Lord, let me hear the sound ofyour voice, let me recognize the
sound of your voice Before Ieven remember the sound of
anybody else's.
Help me to recognize the soundof your voice.
I can't even tell you how thathas changed the scenarios and
sometimes he's not speaking.
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Change the scenarios.
And sometimes he's not speaking, and sometimes it just makes me
know that he's sitting with meand comforting in the quiet
places.
You know, I share a day wheremaybe I don't have an
appointment but I'm workingthrough my head.
Does that make sense?
It does, it makes perfect sense.
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I'm at this point in life wherewe've been caregiver for my mom
for several years and then lastDecember we moved her to a care
facility.
She needed skilled nursing careat all times and it's been a
difficult journey, but I willsay that, as you were talking
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about wanting to be that womansomeday who doesn't, when you
get bumped up against, doesn'tspew something that's going to
tear someone else down, and it'sno, automatically just by the
countenance of someone, whetheror not they dealt with this
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stuff and moving past it, we dobecome very childlike.
In our later years we kind ofresort back and at least I've
witnessed that seem to happenwith people and you don't want
to be that person and whensomebody bumps up against you,
you just create this problem forthem and how they feel.
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Personally, I remember a pastorfriend said one time I want to
be a sweet old man when I getold.
I want to be that sweet old man.
I don't want to be that angry,bitter, and I think you're right
.
Old man, I don't want to bethat angry, bitter, and I think
you're right.
We do have to pray and allowGod to help take those thoughts
captive and to really get inthere and give us that joy, that
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true joy, so that when we arebumped up against, it comes
flowing out.
Yeah, I think everything youguys are saying is just helping
me so much today and it's sorich.
This conversation is just someaningful because, also, a
conversation I had the other daywith somebody was I think that
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if we're going to reallyexperience this strength and joy
, we have to reevaluate thefriends that we're aligning
ourselves with.
Oh yeah, I feel about thissweet want women that want to be
in, these godly women, and nowwe still want to have that word
of God locked up and it's comingout, no matter where we land in
a facility or Right.
I feel like we can.
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I feel like there are momentswhere we can totally
misunderstand each other.
Yeah, we're so caught up in thebuzz of our life that we start
to really misunderstandsomeone's heart and their intent
, and it can go both ways.
We actually can be so busy thatwe're not quite catching what
they're throwing and it's reallynot, and we can accuse people
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of coming from a space thatthey're not coming from at all.
We have to slow down, take adeep breath and really try to
put on this joy, this kindness,this softness.
We really have to knowinglymake a choice to be that person,
because we just reactconstantly.
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We do, we are in a constantstate of reacting and sometimes
I have to do okay, slow down,especially if I feel like maybe
I've misunderstood somebody'sheart.
You have to check yourself inthat moment.
I know Ask somebody to when theyhurt you like this is the
couple times I think I shot theperson.
But I knew that it was sohurtful that I walked away from
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that scenario.
I was going to hold on to it.
I just knew it Because I'm withthem, I think the thing that I
would say.
I leaned in and said can I askyou, did you know that?
The way it came out and the wayI'm doing it Right?
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This is what I heard you sayand I don't want to walk away
from you offended.
I don't choose that to you.
I think that's perfectly.
That's called wisdom.
I feel like, as we get olderalso, we have this impression
that for us to be these reallywarm, fuzzy, great Christian
women who are wise, that we'realways soft and we can be
tempered but also have wisdom tostop a moment and say it's
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important, because I don't wantto carry that.
I think that was brilliant andI think that is something we
could all start to do when wehave those moments where the
hair on the back of our neckstarts to stand up and we're
going what did I just hear?
And that's that whole practicewhat you just talked about,
letian and that's that wholepractice what you just talked
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about, letian of evaluating yourday and seeing what you've
picked up in your day that mightbe negatively weighing you down
.
Now there's circumstances thatwe walk through that we know
we're going to have to walkthrough again tomorrow, that we
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know we're going to have to walkthrough again tomorrow.
But we have to constantly beaware of the emotional and
physical and mental baggage thatwe take into the next day and
it drains our strength.
It does drain our strength.
And how are we?
A lot of times you ignore it.
Yeah, this is the way life is.
It's not going to change andit's not going to get better.
It's like huge dumpster fire.
It's just what it is.
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But we don't have to let itclutter the goodness, because we
can allow the joy in our lifeto be cluttered with the trash
of our day, the heaviness thatcomes around us, and we have to
be able to clean that out.
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Yeah, that has to be able toclean that out.
Yeah, that has to beintentional.
I think it has to beintentional.
You have to be willing.
You can do it in a loving way.
You can do it in a way that'sloving to you.
Even it's as simple as stoppinga conversation and dealing with
it is the same principle foryourself Taking that moment to
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stop where your mind is going,weigh it with what you know of
God, his character and how hewants you to be able to walk in
confidence through those momentsthat are difficult.
I know we're always concernedwhen we confront situations that
we are going to cause moreconflict.
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Maybe we'll say something wrong, maybe we'll do something wrong
and we risk damaging arelationship.
But I think fornon-confrontation you risk
relationship because it becomesthe uncomfortable place.
We have to work on the HolySpirit to give us the wisdom to
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know when to move forward inconversation and when not to.
I really have appreciatedtalking about this because we
need to get to seasons in ourlives that we stop trying to
carry the baggage of our days.
I think that there will be a lotof people listening that just
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feel down in everything and theydon't know how to unpack it.
Maybe they've never unpacked it.
How would you encourage them?
Today is the best day to beborn.
It is never too late and youmight be surprised, when you
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really get serious about this,that there's more within you
than you realize, that you'veshut down, thinking that
godliness is passivity.
Godliness is not being passive.
Godliness is knowing when tospeak and when not to speak, and
knowing who lives within us andhow we want to represent him.
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But we can't represent him verywell if we're weighed down by
all the things that rob our joyand y'all not having joy in our
life.
It doesn't happen.
It's not like one thing thathappened in our day or in our
week or in our months or in ouryears or in 10 years.
It's this slow, gradualprogression that seeps in
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through the crevices of ourlives and slowly robs us of joy.
And it's all these littlethings we talked about today.
It's about relationships.
It's about harboring things.
It's about not being able tospeak a truth that needs to be
spoken.
It's about not having theboldness to approach somebody
and say did you mean this theway I interpret it?
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Because I don't want to liveoffended with you, I care too
much and I will walk away fromthis and misunderstand you.
It's about doing all thesethings and being so diligent
that we carry the presence ofGod.
So we're representing.
We are, like your book says,leading ladies, we're leading
the way out, so it doesn't meanwe always get it right.
It might be that we're the onesthat go and say we need to
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freeze.
Exactly, and I have a tosharpen something against you
and you forgive me, and it hasworn me out in my head.
My physical body is tired fromit, y'all.
This is how our strength isdrained and our joy is wrong.
Right, and we have a lot ofideas in our head that people
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bring us joy, pastimes bring usjoy.
If we put our joy dependent onanything in our lives, it's
going to be dependent oncircumstances, people, whatever.
It will always be a rollercoaster, always Right, yes, and
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we don't even realize.
I think when we sit down withthe board, if we're really
serious about this, like wantingtomorrow to be better than even
today and planning for it, whenwe're going to take a trip as
women, we start getting our headaround what we need to do to
make that trip happen and thatwe had all the things that we
need, that trip happened andthat we had all the things that
we need.
And I think, if we looked atour lives, like we started this
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conversation so beautifully youguys talked about the journey of
life, how it is a journey.
If we could really get back tothat and come full circle in
this conversation.
That was a beautiful way tostart this, because life is a
journey and everything we'retalking about is not a choice to
do one thing and you're done.
It's all the time.
It's always going to besomething, because the enemy
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loves to create chaos in ourlives and he doesn't want us to
be strong and joyful.
He wants us to be wimpy,lifeless people that are sad all
the time and depressed andincapable of living whole lives.
That can represent the part ofJesus that could, leifa, do you
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have any final wrap-up thingsthat you want to leave people
with from our conversation?
I just want to take a minuteand just go back to some of the
things, and I really like whatLaTan just said.
We did start the conversationjust being silly, but then we
very quickly started talkingabout how life does take us full
service.
Some of the things that I wantedto repeat were you talked about
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, latan, just when you havethose daily moments, just Pick a
time where you honestly praythat God would help take all
those thoughts captive.
It's a truth that a lot oftimes we get so busy.
But it's a simple prayer.
It's a simple God, please takeevery thought captive that is
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just causing me to not get itstraight with someone or not be
able to walk in joy, not be ableto walk comfortable in the skin
that you created me in.
God, take that captive and, atthe same time as you pray that,
asking him to help you evaluatethe day.
Did you pick up weight that youshouldn't have carried?
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Did you draw things in with youthat you shouldn't have brought
along with you?
So technically, it's that wholeconcept of being in a constant
communion with Father, justsaying to him from the moment
you wake in the morning, God, Iwant you to take every thought
captive.
And as you lay your head downon the pillow at night, god, if
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I picked up anything I shouldn'thave, could you help me to lay
that to the side?
And I'm sure there are going tobe those moments where we have
to say, just like you said okay,god, I can't just set this one
to the side.
How do you want me to deal withit, with wisdom, with your
spirit?
How do you want me to walk intothis?
And I feel like those are justsimple truths.
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They might think what kind offluff are these women talking
about?
But we're talking about a verydeep thing that the enemy uses
to keep us from being everythingGod intends us to be.
It keeps broken and stuck andcritical, and that's not his
best for us.
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And, yeah, we got to give thatto him all along the way, from
the beginning of the day to theend of the day.
Yeah, and once again comes outlike what poison we're bringing
here.
This is what we're trying toevaluate who are the key voices
in our lives on a daily basis?
Yeah, because we're going tospew that onto our husbands and
our children.
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And it comes out whether wewant it to or not.
Lutan, as we close out this timetogether, can you close us in
prayer for that woman who may bestuck in poison and not be
feeling the joy that God wantsto give her to walk freely into
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the season that he wants to takeher into?
Yeah, but you lead us in prayer.
I'd be honored.
Thank you for having me.
God Father, I just want to saythank you for these women, thank
you for these reading ladiesthat lead so beautifully others
to your heart, and how thisconversation has encouraged me
today, Lord, I pray with my eyeswidened than right now, because
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my fourth grade teacher told meto Lord.
So you are the God of light and, lord, I just thank you for the
women that are listening.
If there are men listening, Ipray that they'll look in the
mirror today.
They'll apologize to themselvesfirst and ask themselves will
you forgive me for being socritical of you?
Will you forgive me for thethings I said?
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Will you forgive me for howI've talked so poorly about what
you look like, how incapableyou are, what a terrible mother
you are.
What an awful wife you are.
What a terrible friend you are.
Will you forgive me because youare the daughter?
An awful wife you are.
What a terrible friend you are.
Will you forgive me Because youare the daughter that my most
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high God, great Satan, aired mymother's womb, the numbers of
hair that I'll have on my head,and God loves me so much.
I am his treasure.
So will you forgive me, lutan?
And then, lord, will youforgive me for not representing
your heart in the right way thatit deserves, because I've
allowed the enemy to creep intothe cracks of my life.
I've allowed these little tinythings to build up and rob me of
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strength and joy.
And, lord, I want to be a womanwho is able to represent how
strong you are, how faithful youare, how you are the stronger
one in the middle of ourweaknesses, and model that.
And, lord, I thank you so muchfor the show.
I pray that you would just letso many people who touched by
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this that your name would belifted high that you would get
all the glory, lord, for everyword that's been spoken today.
We want our lives to glorifyyou more than anything.
We will name, we preach.
I was thinking this while thisjust came to mind.
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There might be some women outthere that are just really
struggling with what they'refeeling as far as their identity
in their day and the words thathave been spoken over them, and
I just think that maybe writesome of those words down, maybe
write some of those strugglesdown, what you've struggled with
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, how you've struggled, seeingyourself, and then in in
prayerful contemplation, ask godwho am I to you?
What do you say?
I am yes, and in that he willspeak truth, truth, yes, yeah,
(47:00):
lisa, I know that we're at theclose and we have some things to
wrap up, some housekeeping.
She's the housekeeper of thepodcast, not of my own house,
but of CloudFood.
Yes, I am.
We are, as most of you.
We are in the midst of our minilaunch week.
Last year, we were able tolaunch our book Leading Ladies
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Discover your God-Grown Strategyfor Success, and just within
this past few months we've beenworking on getting a companion
journal workbook put out.
It's Leading Ladies, myDiscovery and Next Steps Journal
, and so right now, if you areinterested, if you've gotten the
book from the very beginning wesaid we wish we would have had
(47:44):
more space to actually give youjournaling space and to go
deeper with the questions thejournal right now we have a
little video that kind of walksthrough the journal and tells
you how to use it in conjunctionwith the book.
It just takes you deeper thanthe book took you, so we want
you to get a copy of it,especially if you have the book.
It just takes you deeper thanthe book took you, so we want
you to get a copy of it,especially if you have the book.
If you don't have the book, getthe book and the journal.
(48:06):
We have a little bundleavailable and right now I bet
you Amber is going to be soawesome, she'll even put it like
in the description so peoplecan find the links to that.
So we invite you to journeydeeper with us.
We have also what I mightmention in our store, which I'll
(48:28):
put in our leading ladies Etsystore.
We have a beautiful gift box,one of which has been lovingly
hand knotted by Miss Lisa Burns.
So all our craft, these handsare always making things, yes,
thump Like a fever.
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Yeah, we have this beautifulmacrame key chain.
The new Abide Leading LadiesFragrance Spray.
You're going to want to getthat.
It's so good, my god mom, it'sso yummy, so good.
And we have all these beautifulgoodies in that.
You're going to want to getthat gift box.
Did you know this month isWomen's Health?
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Actually, I don't know whichday it is, but Women's Health,
official Women's Health Day,international Women's Health Day
, yes.
So if you need some help, getthis box, get this book.
Let's fan.
Shoot your website address out,if you could.
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Yeah, I will give you that.
It's watannmurphycom.
I would love for you guys to goover and subscribe.
Oh, that's awesome.
Until next time.
We'd love you to go to ouranywhere.
You're getting your podcasts.
Please subscribe, share.
We are now up on YouTube.
(49:53):
You can find out all thosegoodies there.
So until next time, take care,and God bless Bye-bye.
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