October 11, 2023 • 36 mins
Kick-starting Season 2 of "Coffee with Gays," we've revamped our pod and we're here with a fresh look, new artwork, and a mission to break the mold of what a gay podcast can be. Diving into online deception, calling out social media giants and dating apps for spam profiles and catfishing. This season amplifies our authenticity.
We'll probe tech companies' role in user safety, need for transparency in content moderation, and delve into the political landscape, focusing on Jeff Jackson, a Democratic Senator Congressman from North Carolina. Also important topics like Section 230 which governs social media giants hasn't been updated since 1996!
We'll discuss existing laws, tech companies' responsibilities, and end with a chat about dating and relationships in the internet era. Grab your coffee, join us in this unapologetic journey through the gay community. Let's redefine the conversation together.
Show Notes:
00:00 - Season kick-off 🎉.
1:00 - Rebooted ethos: Raw conversations 💬.
3:00 - New artistic vibe; Art appreciations 🎨.
4:15 - Core issue: Catfishing, digital platforms’ duty 🐟.
5:00 - Adam's Grindr scare 😱.
10:00 - Ryan's fake Instagram ordeal 📸.
11:59 - Roy's Story: Global identity hijack 🌎.
14:00 - Call for identity verification ✔️.
15:00 - Up next: Closeted gay man's take 🎧.
16:00 - Elon Musk's bot-fight pitch 🤖.
16:35 - Social media, fake profiles bond 💔.
18:20 - Bot networks allure 💰.
19:00 - Tearing into Facebook, Zuckerberg 😡.
21:17 - Political rage: Outdated lawmakers 👴.
22:00 - Props to Mitt Romney's step aside 👏.
22:47 - Outdated Section 230 📜.
24:00 - Dating apps, fake profiles link 💑.
25:15 - Underage access: A glaring loophole 😲.
25:50 - Catfishing: Stark deception 🎣.
26:45 - Social media transparency push 🔍.
27:37 - Section 230 revisions 🛡️.
28:30 - ID debate: Social media vs voting 🆔.
29:00 - Congressman Obernolte's tech ignorance 🤦.
30:21 - Jeff Jackson spotlight 🗳️.
31:40 - Call for term limits, tech-savvy leadership 🔄.
35:00 - Next episode preview: Digital fairytales 🧚.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're going to be the loud ones.
We're willing to speak out.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm not politically correct.
If you want the truth, I'llgive it to you.
We're going to start havingthis wine.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Maybe we'll show us some true colors.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to season two of Coffee with Gays.
This is our trailer for theseason and we just wanted to
take a little moment to say whatthat we've reintroduced the
podcast Coffee with Gays.
We took everybody's feedbackvery, very seriously.
For the people who didn't thinkthat I heard you, I have heard
you so loud and clear and we'vereally tried to incorporate
(00:35):
Basically it's all going to shutthe fuck up If you're still
talking.
No, they didn't tell me to shutthe fuck up.
They told me to listen to themand they also told Brian to
speak the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's going to be great this season.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's going to be great.
But the whole point of Coffeewith Gays I think we all really
agree that we all wanted aplatform that was a little
different from everything, and Ihave taken this month break to
listen to probably every gaypodcast out there and I was
horrified.
It was absolutely like if Iheard one more talk of safe
(01:08):
spaces and all these frickingtalking points that our
community loves, now I willchill it out and sit back down.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I was just like hearing that for an entire week
in Orlando at the Outnequalconference.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I think a lot of it is.
We know in our community thatwe have a very diverse group.
I would say I think ourcommunity is very diverse in our
views, but the loudest peoplein our community don't actually
Right here in this room.
Well, we're going to be theloud ones.
We're willing to speak out.
We're willing to speak outabout the things that everyone
(01:41):
talks about behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Here's the first thing.
I'm very one that just fuckedbullshit.
I still care.
I'm not politically correct,Don't really care.
And if you want the truth I'llgive it to you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me for your
opinion and I, on the other hand, am slightly politically
correct.
Actually, I would say I'mpolitically correct and I think
I'm also well-informed.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think Blaine is probably the most well-informed
of this group, and I'm also thecentrist.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I think he's the biggest bullshiter of this group
.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Maybe that too A well-informed bullshiter.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I mean, that's all, anybody is right.
So look, we're not here todiscuss, only call attacks or
anything like that.
We also don't want tore-discuss the topic.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, I'll discuss it when we're hearing your bubble.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No, we're not daffying about that.
That's what I'm sick of isthat's.
All we talk about is narrowingyour bubble and stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And it won't be here because I go and get it waxed.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So now we'll talk about that and CO2 lasers.
So, yeah, the idea is to reallyhave a platform and to really
talk about these diverse topicswithin our community that we all
talk about behind closed doors.
Everyone's afraid to talk aboutit, so we're going to talk
about it on fricking coffee withgay Throw that no card I'd also
like to introduce.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's not just the three of us now.
I now have my loving man besideme, jared oh oh, you've got
Jared.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I thought that was going somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Jared is a new addition to my life, and then
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I've got many men.
This is Ryan, has many menbehind him.
I just wanted to talk about allthese men behind me.
So I also do.
You know, I've done Airbnb MrB&B and I like to kind of create
that experience.
So Mr B&B is like an Airbnb forLGBTQ community, basically gay
guys come is kind of what it was.
But I really thought it'd becool to, in my Airbnb, have like
(03:29):
local art from a gay artist.
So he's actually in Austin butShane Shane Loza designs, and so
this was a few years ago.
So he's done different types ofart but like these are photos
of guys that he's then takenthis artwork and done like this
two tone art.
Yeah, so these are all likereal guys.
You kind of took this artwork.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I will say, you did promise a new set and I like
this set up a lot better.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I just thought that we should have something
different, because I was alwayslooking across, then across,
across I used to say across,fucking blame to look at Ryan.
So now I get what it's directlythat I brought it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, they give him some of that.
Yeah, hey, it's great, greatonline, I know I like this set
up like so much better.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think this is really much better for a
conversation and it's way morefun.
And I do love the cowboy and Ilove all the mitts in the
background.
My background has not changed.
I got a little bit of Adam'sold background, but I can now
flail about and have all mydrinks, which I'm super excited
about.
What's?
Today's topic about.
Today's topic is actually aboutsomething that is near and dear
(04:37):
to your heart and somethingthat happened really recently
Catfishing.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, not just catfishing.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Exactly, it is also like the internet security, Not
the internet security, but thetech companies right and how
they can secure.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it's about catfishing as our intro, but the
real thing that we want to talkabout is really the role and
responsibility of these socialmedia companies and app
developers for things likeGrindr, scrave, all these, and
Tinder, quite frankly, andBumble, I think there's just so
many safety concerns.
So, really, you had somethingthat happened that really
(05:11):
spurred this conversation, whereyou got in big trouble with
your boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was like a month ago, I guess it was.
Yeah, I went to Maryland andthat called me and said, what
are you doing, o'brien?
And I said, what are youtalking about?
And it was a bold picture fromwhen I was, I guess, in my early
20s, like maybe mid-20s, Iguess, of last year.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
When you were going to the gym.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I'm trying to remote Rio when you were a lot.
Well, I was a lot.
I was a lot in that picture.
So anyway, yeah it was apicture of my Grindr, I mean
like a.
I guess it was a torture shot.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, it was you and a cowboy hat down and then you had
, like I don't know, chaps on orsomething.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That is bullshit.
I don't have a picture of one.
I've never had a picture ofthat.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
First of all, have the text from your boyfriend.
I'm going to put it into theYouTube video right now so
everybody can see what you looklike.
It was you, and like theserubber chaps with mud on you.
And then you had a cowboy hatand you were looking down, was
you?
There's an old photo, like yourecognize photo.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
First of all, I don't even think I have a photo like
or like, even ever had a photolike that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's definitely you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I know that picture was of me, but I don't think
that was the picture anyway.
So, anyway, so, so, so somebodytook a picture when it were,
put it up.
This is not being the firsttime of my life.
I also have an alias.
His name is Sebastian.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
True, I did remind your boyfriend of that.
When we're just, he's in SanAntonio.
You know, I think this reallygoes into a lot of what people
do, right is they post a profileon Instagram and he used all
your photos, including your deadgrandmother.
Is this count still us?
It's still, but it is no longerAdam.
He's changed to a new guy andhe's a doctor in San Antonio, so
(06:54):
he's now taking somebody else'sphotos.
Yes, delete it all your photos.
And now he's added new photoswith a different person.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Now was very upset by this, and I was.
First of all, I was staying atmy dad's house, like I was.
I was also in the shower whenthis all probably went down.
So I flew to Baltimore, I gotan eye, were trying to link up
like social or not just read,but what?
Wake up his life.
So then, say his car to bluejigs because brownie got
disconnected lots up.
I was helping you with this carand those help me with this
(07:24):
truck.
Jumped in the shower and thenthe phone starts ringing and it
was Matt and I was like in theshower Don't make it be was
going on music.
Why are you a grinder I wastalking about.
He's like they're right here.
I'm like I'm not over here.
He's like this is you and likesemi picture was a that is me Be
from a long time ago, but yeah,that is me.
So he's like I and I'm gonna.
(07:45):
Why we?
Why are you in frame?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was on grinder because we had talked about on
an episode of copy with gaze howI had gone on a grinder account
without a picture and then Sawthat was on there, I'm sure this
up in that set.
Remember the guy went on a datewith and I went on a grinder
account that wasn't mine and Ichecked right after.
So Matt listened to that andgot the idea that he should
(08:08):
check grinder it's your hemachine for grinder.
I was like he dropped hislocation as dad's house and then
saw a profile video of ourpicture of a guy.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I live in the middle of nowhere where there's maybe
like eight days and a 15 mileradius, like I, like you know
most, like Just like we'reBrad's great parents, like
there's nothing really wrapsanyway.
So so Matt got upset now, waslike what thought there?
And I'm like it's not just itis me, but it's not me would
(08:40):
come so was it really?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
wasn't like a week before then, the middle of night
, he woke up and said if youjust want to go on grinder like,
you can do it, or yes?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
yes, so he's like, he's like whatever.
So I don't like it.
That for nothing he doesn'tlike.
But yes, and I was like if Iwas on it I would just tell you
I'm on it, so anyway.
So I was up there for a trip,had to go to New York.
A friend of mine was like, hey,are you like?
Are you in Baltimore?
I saw like you want grinder.
I was like, did you just see?
(09:09):
Right now I'm just like, yeah,I was like just flight the file,
just like a profile and just doit.
But the problem is it's likeeven if you fly them Right here,
doesn't take you down.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So you're just very well aware that this happens a
lot.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I mean, I think you too, right, and my first time,
though, you have to realize backin when I was in my Later 20s,
I was dating a guy in Baltimore.
They were out at Christmas timeat a Christmas tree farm and
they said a friend of mine waslike hey, are you on grinder?
And I said no, dating great.
And they said, well, somebody'sgot your pictures because
(09:42):
they're trying to get me to comeover and I'm like where are you
?
And they're like I've beenBaltimore, which is where I live
.
I'm kidding me.
This is the first, isn't in thesecond, this isn't the third.
I've had my pictures used andthis is what I know, probably
five or six and you have toright Ryan twice, yeah, twice on
(10:02):
.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Instagram, or it was Instagram most recent time.
I remember my dad was visiting,had him out from Florida to do
some, some work at my house Lotsof work always at the house.
But and I remember that morning, like someone was kind of
similar but like a friend calledtheir text and there was a fake
Another profile on Instagramthat was using my photos, so
they grabbed like Six greatphotos of me at least they chose
(10:26):
good ones.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like I will say, your Instagram is very well curated.
Adams is pretty trash, butyours is curated well.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So my dad gets there and I'm trying so that I find
out that this person took, youknow, my photos, created this
account and the link was sayingyou know, hey, go to something
like a, just for fans, calm toyou know, see the see more, and
so like out, because, also, mydad showed up.
My god, are they gonna find out?
Are they gonna see it?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I go see their Son's videos, all mine, whatever it
wasn't to be clear, it was notyour just for sale, it was
somebody else who had put onelive.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So no, someone posted a profile using my photos and
had a link that said if you wantto see more, go here, basically
to see who would click on it,to then go and enter their
credit card info.
Take their credit card info.
I, in my state of being freakedout, of course, like signed up
too because I was like, well,let me see what's on there, like
(11:21):
do they have anything?
And then I quickly realized, oh, this is just like a wicks
account and I could really tellthat they just like screen shot
it and kind of like Branded thisthing to look like a legit,
just hands account, so just toget, like credit card info, yeah
, and so I checked my creditcard.
There is no like charges oranything and I just, you know, I
reported it and reportedthrough wicks and site was taken
(11:43):
down right away wicks took downthe site.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But did Instagram take down the site?
Because we never got.
We reported Adams profileSebastian in the San Antonio
Women.
If there are any men namedSebastian San Antonio, he's a
liar and he's not a doctor.
We know that and he saidmultiple personas, but they
would not take it down.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So this isn't.
People need to be carefulbecause this is up to so friend
of my from Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Roy, who is very good looking.
Okay, we're gonna post and theYouTube video Picture Roy right
now, because he's super hot.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So Roy Roy is very, very good looking.
And when I first moved toDallas, I was overrinder and
Roy's profile popped up and Iwas like that's odd.
And I messaged him on Facebookand it was like, are you in
Dallas?
And he was like ah, there we go.
He's like is there a granderprofile?
(12:35):
And I was like yeah, and he waslike just flag it.
I was like well, now I want toknow like who's doing it and how
it's, how, like what's going on?
And I and I got very good atlike tracking, like where people
were the Nancy Joe Kind ofweird, but anyway I could find
out where pinpointed was.
And it pinpointed it in like afield, downtailed like one of
(12:57):
the parks, and I was like thisis like pinpointed from another
area, like Saudi Pinpoints.
So I was like that's reallyweird how that can happen.
How great does that work?
So, apparently, like what theydid with this is he'd say things
.
People from another country arePutting his for follow-up and
they're sitting there talkingand what they do is kind of like
(13:19):
what they did with yours isthey're putting out and they
would say to to whoever Talkedto him is, hey, do you want them
over?
I give the robotic massages andI need a credit card for a
booking.
So if you go to this bookingwebsite that's a little bit of
(13:40):
the website and which are creditcard information in they put
the credit card in for a nation,that, and then they run the
credit Courses and they justland stack it.
So Roy has been in like I'mjust gonna read off some.
Some of the big cities manynapples March on Nashville,
(14:01):
denver, dc, dallas, sanFrancisco, tallahassee, sydney,
new York, orlando, philly, rome,richmond, little.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Rock, Las Vegas.
Wow, this guy gets around.
City said and he put this up onhis Instagram.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Basically was like how many people have seen my
grinder profile?
And he doesn't have right.
How many people have seen mygrinder profile in your city?
And that's from people that are.
One is social media of 49cities that actually engaged it
and it.
What sad is Just really.
Companies don't want to doanything about it.
They don't want to make youwhat one of them verifies makes
(14:39):
you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Verifies graph does it has the option to verify.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Every one of them need to make it so that you have
to verify.
And I also think and this iswhere the catch 22 is coming in
For the gay side and I want tosay maybe for the straight side
is, if you don't want your faceup on that, you can get on there
and you can put a picture upWithout your face one and it was
out verifying it, or you usesomebody else's.
(15:05):
We need a just grinder tinderwith whatever you can.
You can put a face up and youdon't have to verify it and then
you can be incognito and notget busted.
If you're cheating or if you'reDane, you don't want to be out
and stuff like that.
So that's where it's gettinggrinder.
Like well, never do it, becausecrackers, like all the closeted
(15:27):
people would leave, and I stillsadly think there's a lot of
Closeted people after well,there are.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We are actually gonna have one on the show, which I
do want to mention, since wepromised that we would have them
as the first season opener, buthe had a family emergency, so
that will be later on and offuture episode, but we will have
the someone on about thatbecause I do think there are
closeted people.
However, you can do ageverification in the background.
You don't have to have, like apublic face, but no one in age
(15:55):
verification do who cares?
Yeah, take a picture of yourdriver's license and have it be
your photo and your name andyour real person.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you want me to take a picture of my license and
make my license for fall?
No, no, in the background.
If I was single and over I'mhere, nobody would ever talk.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So, okay, let's talk about current news situation.
Which I really want to talkabout is Elon Musk just came out
, who everybody knows.
I Am kind of an Elon Muskfanboy and I will come out and
say that and I will stand behindand die on that hill.
I think he's one of the mostbrilliant people that actually
cares in our country and you canhate me for saying that, but
it's true and he's like thebiggest billionaire ever and he
(16:36):
keeps like doing shit, likebuying Twitter, which is like a
distraction, quite frankly, fromlike Neuralink and like
Starlink and SpaceX and all thisstuff.
Regardless, he came out theother day and actually said he's
been trying to combat bots onTwitter.
And, let's be honest, twitter,facebook, instagram, all these
fucking companies, even grinderthey love Having fake profiles
(16:58):
because it increases their usercounts.
They're able to say they havemore monthly active users.
They love a bot.
They will not want to get ridof bots because then their
numbers will go down.
They because they're falselyinflated.
Like we're gonna call it outand we're gonna disagree on it
because I don't think you Canreview that 1000%.
So what Elon came out and saidis I think the only way to truly
(17:19):
combat bots is to charge for X,formerly known as Twitter.
Well, I saw something about.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I mean what the previous, the Twitter kind of
similar version at like $8 amonth, so maybe around that or
something smaller.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, that's the current Twitter blue, but he's
talking about charging like sub$1 a month.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So that I would, I would maybe pay for cuz I'll
Twitter I don't really use, likeI don't want to, just to see
what's on it, but I don't likeengage.
I'm not engaging personalTwitter, twitters like by
LinkedIn's.
The same way I don't reallyengage.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Well, you're a handyman, so that's why nobody
uses LinkedIn, but but I mean, Iuse LinkedIn.
I significantly, I run anagency, so it's like actually a
great tool for me.
But, like I think, like ifFacebook and Instagram charge
less than a dollar a month,number one, their user counts, I
think, would go downsignificantly and they're a
(18:16):
public company.
It would really hurt theirbottom line because advertisers
aren't gonna pay as much asthey're gonna pay today For, you
know, two billion users,quote-unquote, you know eyeballs
.
So like, what's theimplications that?
But it would really solve a lotof problems when you think
about it.
So what about skin at?
So bots, basically, are aroundto increase ad revenues, quite
(18:38):
frankly, across the internet andit's a really big problem.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I was a a company that wanted to put bots out
there.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Like they create websites and essentially they
create fake traffic.
And so, like you are anadvertiser, right, and you go
spend money on Google ad, googleads, and you'll do display
advertising.
Display advertising is theworst right all the debanners
that you see on like weirdshitty websites and Advertisers
paying for those.
So essentially they'reincreasing.
They're falsely increasingtraffic on the web in order to
(19:09):
falsely inflate CPMs, which iscost per thousand impressions.
Facebook or something is like no, the people that own the sites,
and they got like the displayads and so they're like putting
out botnet networks.
And then there's also likethings like credit card fraud
and stuff like that.
So there's a whole bunch ofreasons for bots, but, like,
social networks have never, youknow, taking it upon themselves
(19:30):
to protect people and verifyIdentity, because if they did,
they would probably lose half oftheir base, right?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
So here's what all this money that I saw is.
A lot of like, we're honest,which I'm good at Facebook, so a
lot of Facebook pages.
I'm a died heart Reba fan.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Facebook's evil.
By the way, I hate MarkZuckerberg more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So I'm a diehard with him, right, and I see on the
Reba fan page, like four times ayear of the post, a picture of
Reba's ability happy birthday.
I sit there and ago one, whatis?
Because I always look for theother side and I'm like why are
they saying this up?
What the reason why they'resetting up is it's not a Reba's
(20:12):
birthday.
It's like the Reba's birthdayis in March and they'll put it
in like September and what theywant to get is they want to get
more people to fire up about itand Start talking about it and
be like that's a Reba's birthday.
Oh man, this is this and thisand this and this, because it
gets them higher on that tickerand it gets them found Faster
(20:34):
and gets their page up highbecause they're getting, like an
engaged post, more comments,more like.
Fucking pisses me off and that'swhy they say that everybody out
there, if you see somethingthat's BS or somebody putting
out there that says, oh my gosh,this can happen because in
today's world there's a lot ofthings where there's videos that
are that are put out there thatare not Actual videos and not
(20:56):
true, and people sit there andthey go They'll fire off because
everybody fires off of emotionsand they're going.
Well, that can't really happen.
Somebody's like how did thathappen?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Do, do, do and while it does, fires up each up well,
I recently did this on thecoffee with gaze account about
Oprah and I got blowed up.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
If you see something that is not true and not correct
and all that stuff, why justknow you can flag it, break,
just don't count it on it, killit, kill the page, don't comment
on it, because you're givingthem what they want.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I'm also going to just go a step further and say,
like we just came out of aperiod of time and this is where
I'm gonna get political on thisshow is like we just came out a
period of time.
We're like we like confirmedthat the FBI of government was
like literally working withTwitter to moderate free speech.
I think it's gross Disgustingthat our government is doing
that and yet the actual lawsthat govern these social media
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companies and quite frankly, I'mgonna go ahead and loop dating
apps into this, because it'ssomething that I really care
about and I think nobody wantsto talk about it because all of
our, you know, people inCongress are 85 years old and
dying and they don't even knowhow to use the internet is part
of the problem.
I mean, literally, mitch McAuldie and find Santa.
All of them, they're all old,you know.
(22:14):
Quite frankly, like good forMitt Romney.
I can't even believe I'magreeing with him because I kind
of hate him so much.
I do, I do, but the guyactually Steped aside and said
we don't need another 80 yearold in Congress.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I just don't think that we need another person in
their 80s.
I'm a little long of toothalready.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
We don't need more.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Like me, but I do think that that the times we're
living in really demand the nextgeneration to step up and and
express their point of view andto make the decisions that will
shape our American politics overthe coming century.
And just having a bunch of guysthat were around the good baby
boomers who around in thepost-war era, we're not the
right ones to be making thedecisions for tomorrow exactly
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because we're talking aboutissues like this, which none of
them can even fathom First soul,with two young friends, I got a
great question how, what do youthink?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
when was the law enacted that governs social
media companies?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
1996 1996 there was only like 26 words or something.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's actually called section 230 and it's something
that I've only really heard,like big VC people that I listen
to their podcasts in all in VCventure capital.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You've been updated since 30 years.
No, I don't think we're aboutin 1996.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
This is.
It's crazy about our governmentand it drives me so freaking
insane that, like we sit hereand argue about such bullshit
topics in In government and thensomething like this like, quite
frankly, the reason I thinkit's important is because it's
not just us as game, and likewomen like our friend that found
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your profile, like she was likeyes, she's on, she bombo, or
like whatever and what they uselike tender.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Use my my profile bubbles how she's now do it.
I want to straighten the upsidein the weekend a.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So they create a tender profile or bubble profile
and they link it to anInstagram account and they you
reuse your photos so that itlooks like they're real.
First, it just gives themvalidity.
And you know, mark Zuckerbergsits there in his fricking ivory
tower and he with his like 800security guards and he doesn't
gift shit and it really,honestly, it encourages child
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exploitation, because kids alsolike look, we all did that shit.
I think we've talked aboutbefore when we were kids, right?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
No, I was, I was good .
I was good, I didn't drink.
It was true.
I did all of it later on.
Oh yeah, I can see you, superChristian.
Yeah, I lived under a rock.
Bradley and I were talkingabout this yesterday, because I
was like I don't, I don't thinkmy parents probably actually
sheltered me, or like I was likewait, maybe it was in my head
and I I know and so, but like Ithink I had it in my head that
(25:00):
they were Did your city never,but for some reason, for some
reason I know if anyone knows mymom now, I mean, but I think
when I was growing up, though, Imust have just like thought
that they were.
I like created this wholeillusion.
Of course, Bradley's like Ryancreating something that doesn't
exist.
Imagine that.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Imagine that.
I can totally imagine that.
Ha.
Anyway, yeah, you were a goodkid, I was not.
I was on the show, I was inchat rooms at 13.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I was like Mom, I gotta get on the internet.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
At this point, we still allow kids to be on these
platforms.
That like literally.
And then you have all thesepredator shows.
I mean it's literally all over.
It was, 30 years later, apolitician in our government and
you aren't doing legislationfor this, like your growth
person and you should retire,yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And I also think that anybody out there that
catfishes or like those zombie,that I think that should be like
a pretty strict offense, Likedon't we get some laws about
that?
Because it's fraud, it's you'redoing fraud, yeah.
The one difference is, ifyou're you're seeming you're
somebody I mean, if you want anaccord and said, hey, I will,
(26:13):
you know blame and it's reallyme it's fraud.
Like, yeah, it's fraud.
So just behind me there's agovernment and sure click.
And only because it's a longway that you're going to be able
to stop this year.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, and protect kids, protect women and protect
men.
Yeah, like you are leaving somany people out there to be
preyed upon by these freakinglosers and it's really
disgusting and gross and you'redoing it all too long.
Mark Zuckerberg's prop pockets,who's a freaking scumbag, quite
frankly.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Here's the you and the social media, because I feel
like you've got, you've gotlike government, government
policy that hasn't been linkedup, and then you got your social
media.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So my point was there is a, there is a plan to revise
section 230, and mainly whatthis came from is where people
said, where, basically, ElonMusk said look, Twitter was
doing all this.
You know what's it calledmoderation?
And the thought is now thatsocial media companies should be
(27:10):
required to publish why yourband or your content was
moderated.
Because even TikTok, Becausethey can publish why someone's
banned.
Yeah, so like, for example, alot of creators on TikTok right
now are getting their contentlike taken down or banned or
they'll get their account andthey don't know why.
(27:30):
And they're not requiredbecause this section 230 gives
them really blatant impunity todo whatever they want and create
whatever policy they want.
They're allowed to do thatwithout telling you why.
So the real current revision isbasically like hey, we should
now have transparency on thereason why.
I don't think that goes farenough, because I think it
(27:52):
doesn't deal with things like,you know, protecting our kids,
protecting women, protecting menon dating apps and social media
and all this other stuff Likeidentity verification is a
reasonable thing to do.
This isn't about voting.
This should not be likesomething.
This is about safety.
I mean, the argument that youknow people don't have access to
(28:13):
a government identification Ithink is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
What's their?
No, what's their.
How are they standing?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, so the argument is and this really comes down to
voting is that disenfranchisedgroups, namely people of color,
can't get an ID because the IDoffice is too far, it's too hard
to get, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So they have their ID , but they're claiming they
don't have access to it.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
No, they're saying that it disenfranchises voters
and you should be able to votewithout a night.
But from a social mediaperspective, I think this is
about safety.
So, even if you don't eventhink about, like, the voting
impacts of this, it's really,it's really, it's it's.
It's a nice to have socialmedia anyway, and I think, when
it comes to safety and reallyprotecting kids which is
something that I care a lotabout and and, like I said, even
(29:03):
really girls and we talkedabout how scary it is to be gay
I think it's important that westart protecting, you know, our
community and these social mediacompanies should be held to
account, but a bunch of 80 yearold idiots in Congress don't
even know how the internet works.
Do you know how many TikTokaccounts I come across where
it's basically people, vigilante, pedo, like, like, like, like
(29:23):
finding like pedophiles outthere, and it's like gross and
they're all finding them ondating apps.
Like all the gay kids are allon Grindr, and I'm like this is
gross, like this is somethingthat we could easily take care
of you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Sign up for Grindr, do you have to verify and say
I'm 18 or so.
Someone is lying Like, yeah,I'm 18.
Get me on here.
No, but I mean so.
But they're able to then usethat to be like, well, it's not
on us because that person saidthat I'm 18, older, and because
of section 230, we're not liablefor anything.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Anyway, and it's just like extensive.
It's just really gross that ourpoliticians have not gotten you
know up to speed on this.
But then again, when you're ina congressional hearing with you
know, the CEO of TikTok, andsaying that you're sending your
data through your home Wi-Fi tothe mothership and back Called
TikTok US Data Security byAmerican personnel.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
You have access to that.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
We have began this operations already Okay, but the
app itself has access to thedata correct.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Only through them you know any employees that have
the data no no what.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I mean is like if I use lose my iPhone and I
reinstall the app and I put inmy username and password, my
Apple reconnect to themothership and download some of
that data at my setting.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's not the way it works.
No, that's not the way it works.
I got to call this guy outbecause I think he deserves a
lot of credit as my currentfavorite politician and I
obviously don't go to the left,but he is a Democratic Senator
Congressman from North Carolina,jeff Jackson what?
First of all, he's hot as hell.
He's super hot.
(30:54):
Right, it's looking it up Totallike 30s dad vibes.
But this TikTok is really goodand every time he makes a
decision or vote he really comesand like, talks directly to his
constituents.
I can I really do encourageeveryone to follow his account.
It is probably one of the bestpolitical accounts I've ever
seen and that's what we needmore of.
(31:15):
You know, and that's why I amglad that Mitt Romney stepping
down and when I did have thatargument with that person over
Mitt Romney being an old goatand they're like well, someone
else is probably going to stepin in Utah.
Sure, it's going to be aRepublican.
It's freaking.
Utah, it's a bunch of Mormonpeople.
They're going to vote for aRepublican, but I'd rather a 35
year old, 39 year old Republican, even in their 40s.
(31:36):
I don't care and I'm going toget called out for being a just
shut up Jim Zm over it.
But yeah, like I just don'tthink a geriatric, you know, 80
year old, who doesn't understandthe Internet, should be making
these decisions and it reallyputs people at risk.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I think we need to get rid of all parties and just
have a running.
I don't give a shit if you'reon the logical right.
I don't give a shit, just afree for all.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I mean Just a quick break for all, just like
sections, but technically that'swhat it is.
I mean, this is the problem.
We do need term limits in thiscountry, because the problem is
this Is that if you're in SanFrancisco, let's be honest
you're voting Democrat, right.
If you're in Utah, you're goingto vote, probably, republican.
I did not do this research andI wish I had.
(32:19):
I just not thought of it.
But I would love to know thepercentage of Congress who's
actually been in office likemore than 30 years.
My point is Maxine Waters can'tstand her either.
You still live in LA.
She has represented Compton, Ithink, for probably 45 years at
this point and I think she hasAlzheimer's.
But my point is I think thepeople of Compton should have a
(32:40):
really great young Democrat, butnobody's forcing her to step
down and she won't do it on herown.
And that's the problem.
And we complain about theSupreme Court not do it like not
retiring when they need to, butwe don't complain about
Congress not doing it.
I mean, you literally haveMitch McConnell having seizures
like like live, like on TV.
It's shocking.
(33:00):
And Nancy Pelosi she's alsosaid she's re-running again.
No, she is, she's going to be.
I think, if I remember it,she's going to be 85 or 86 at
the end of her next term andshe's going to win because in
San Francisco girls she's notgoing anywhere.
I don't know why these peopledon't want to.
You know why, Mitt Romney?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Just sit there and volunteer.
You've done your time.
You know, in my class, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, don't let me hear it lying.
Oh God, I don't.
I'm not thinning like my hairisn't thinning, I swear I'm not.
I have really great hair.
It's really sad what happenedto it.
(33:45):
This is probably the mosttraumatized I've been over a
procedure.
But seriously, it is yeah.
So yeah, I really do think like, yes, it's time to step in,
it's time to take care andcontrol the social media.
We've discussed a lot today andI mean this was a very
passionate discussion.
I'm glad this was our returningepisode.
(34:07):
I am very excited for us to getthe closeted game in on the
show, but I really wanted totalk about these topics.
I'm glad you guys were likereally into it, because I'm so.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I would like to say that I was on brought the topic
up.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean, let's put it this way, you brought the topic
up and I made it intelligent.
Yeah, and Ryan did research.
It was great.
Yeah, I won the trivia question.
He's been doing his homeworkduring our break, unlike you who
hasn't been, so we might stillkick you off coffee with gays.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
It already looks.
It already looks like you'reright, isn't that what we just
said?
But you know, I'm taking.
I'm taking Jared.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I mean I think I did very good with the on that one
for you, because the other oneyou had was a little.
It was a little too too gay,and that's not what we're about.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It looks like this shirt that I brought for the
next recording.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh, really it's like that, but like it was just very
graphic.
So, anyway, we got Jared, sowe're happy about it, but I'm
excited about the next episode.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
It is about something that Adam feels strongly about
Adam feels strongly about thenext topic Wow, wow, the soccer.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
But basically how we kind of make fairy tales of like
dating and relationships.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And like, as a person , how we put ourselves out there
as somebody that we want to bein our best light, but it's
really not the true person thatwe are, and that's what the next
episode is going to be about.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Not just for gays too .
Also like this straights,because I think we have a lot of
straight girls in our life thatlike, literally like do this
all the time, where you knowthey meet a guy and all of a
sudden it's like their husbandand they plant everything.
It's just wild, and then itcrashes and burns.
It always crashes and burnsJust 1000%.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So true to something last episode episode true of
season two of Coffee with Gays.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Cheers.
This was fun.
I like the new set up.
We're going to be the loud ones.
We're willing to speak out.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm not politically correct.
If you want the truth, I'llgive it to you.
We're going to start havingthis wine.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Maybe we'll show us some true colors.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to season two of Coffee with Gays.
This is our trailer for theseason and we just wanted to
take a little moment to say whatthat we've reintroduced the
podcast Coffee with Gays.
We took everybody's feedbackvery, very seriously.
For the people who didn't thinkthat I heard you, I have heard
you so loud and clear and we'vereally tried to incorporate
(00:35):
Basically it's all going to shutthe fuck up If you're still
talking.
No, they didn't tell me to shutthe fuck up.
They told me to listen to themand they also told Brian to
speak the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's going to be great this season.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's going to be great.
But the whole point of Coffeewith Gays I think we all really
agree that we all wanted aplatform that was a little
different from everything, and Ihave taken this month break to
listen to probably every gaypodcast out there and I was
horrified.
It was absolutely like if Iheard one more talk of safe
(01:08):
spaces and all these frickingtalking points that our
community loves, now I willchill it out and sit back down.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I was just like hearing that for an entire week
in Orlando at the Outnequalconference.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I think a lot of it is.
We know in our community thatwe have a very diverse group.
I would say I think ourcommunity is very diverse in our
views, but the loudest peoplein our community don't actually
Right here in this room.
Well, we're going to be theloud ones.
We're willing to speak out.
We're willing to speak outabout the things that everyone
(01:41):
talks about behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Here's the first thing.
I'm very one that just fuckedbullshit.
I still care.
I'm not politically correct,Don't really care.
And if you want the truth I'llgive it to you.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me for your
opinion and I, on the other hand, am slightly politically
correct.
Actually, I would say I'mpolitically correct and I think
I'm also well-informed.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think Blaine is probably the most well-informed
of this group, and I'm also thecentrist.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I think he's the biggest bullshiter of this group
.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Maybe that too A well-informed bullshiter.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I mean, that's all, anybody is right.
So look, we're not here todiscuss, only call attacks or
anything like that.
We also don't want tore-discuss the topic.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, I'll discuss it when we're hearing your bubble.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No, we're not daffying about that.
That's what I'm sick of isthat's.
All we talk about is narrowingyour bubble and stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And it won't be here because I go and get it waxed.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So now we'll talk about that and CO2 lasers.
So, yeah, the idea is to reallyhave a platform and to really
talk about these diverse topicswithin our community that we all
talk about behind closed doors.
Everyone's afraid to talk aboutit, so we're going to talk
about it on fricking coffee withgay Throw that no card I'd also
like to introduce.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's not just the three of us now.
I now have my loving man besideme, jared oh oh, you've got
Jared.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I thought that was going somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Jared is a new addition to my life, and then
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I've got many men.
This is Ryan, has many menbehind him.
I just wanted to talk about allthese men behind me.
So I also do.
You know, I've done Airbnb MrB&B and I like to kind of create
that experience.
So Mr B&B is like an Airbnb forLGBTQ community, basically gay
guys come is kind of what it was.
But I really thought it'd becool to, in my Airbnb, have like
(03:29):
local art from a gay artist.
So he's actually in Austin butShane Shane Loza designs, and so
this was a few years ago.
So he's done different types ofart but like these are photos
of guys that he's then takenthis artwork and done like this
two tone art.
Yeah, so these are all likereal guys.
You kind of took this artwork.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I will say, you did promise a new set and I like
this set up a lot better.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I just thought that we should have something
different, because I was alwayslooking across, then across,
across I used to say across,fucking blame to look at Ryan.
So now I get what it's directlythat I brought it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, they give him some of that.
Yeah, hey, it's great, greatonline, I know I like this set
up like so much better.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think this is really much better for a
conversation and it's way morefun.
And I do love the cowboy and Ilove all the mitts in the
background.
My background has not changed.
I got a little bit of Adam'sold background, but I can now
flail about and have all mydrinks, which I'm super excited
about.
What's?
Today's topic about.
Today's topic is actually aboutsomething that is near and dear
(04:37):
to your heart and somethingthat happened really recently
Catfishing.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, not just catfishing.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Exactly, it is also like the internet security, Not
the internet security, but thetech companies right and how
they can secure.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it's about catfishing as our intro, but the
real thing that we want to talkabout is really the role and
responsibility of these socialmedia companies and app
developers for things likeGrindr, scrave, all these, and
Tinder, quite frankly, andBumble, I think there's just so
many safety concerns.
So, really, you had somethingthat happened that really
(05:11):
spurred this conversation, whereyou got in big trouble with
your boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was like a month ago, I guess it was.
Yeah, I went to Maryland andthat called me and said, what
are you doing, o'brien?
And I said, what are youtalking about?
And it was a bold picture fromwhen I was, I guess, in my early
20s, like maybe mid-20s, Iguess, of last year.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
When you were going to the gym.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I'm trying to remote Rio when you were a lot.
Well, I was a lot.
I was a lot in that picture.
So anyway, yeah it was apicture of my Grindr, I mean
like a.
I guess it was a torture shot.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, it was you and a cowboy hat down and then you had
, like I don't know, chaps on orsomething.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That is bullshit.
I don't have a picture of one.
I've never had a picture ofthat.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
First of all, have the text from your boyfriend.
I'm going to put it into theYouTube video right now so
everybody can see what you looklike.
It was you, and like theserubber chaps with mud on you.
And then you had a cowboy hatand you were looking down, was
you?
There's an old photo, like yourecognize photo.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
First of all, I don't even think I have a photo like
or like, even ever had a photolike that.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's definitely you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I know that picture was of me, but I don't think
that was the picture anyway.
So, anyway, so, so, so somebodytook a picture when it were,
put it up.
This is not being the firsttime of my life.
I also have an alias.
His name is Sebastian.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
True, I did remind your boyfriend of that.
When we're just, he's in SanAntonio.
You know, I think this reallygoes into a lot of what people
do, right is they post a profileon Instagram and he used all
your photos, including your deadgrandmother.
Is this count still us?
It's still, but it is no longerAdam.
He's changed to a new guy andhe's a doctor in San Antonio, so
(06:54):
he's now taking somebody else'sphotos.
Yes, delete it all your photos.
And now he's added new photoswith a different person.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Now was very upset by this, and I was.
First of all, I was staying atmy dad's house, like I was.
I was also in the shower whenthis all probably went down.
So I flew to Baltimore, I gotan eye, were trying to link up
like social or not just read,but what?
Wake up his life.
So then, say his car to bluejigs because brownie got
disconnected lots up.
I was helping you with this carand those help me with this
(07:24):
truck.
Jumped in the shower and thenthe phone starts ringing and it
was Matt and I was like in theshower Don't make it be was
going on music.
Why are you a grinder I wastalking about.
He's like they're right here.
I'm like I'm not over here.
He's like this is you and likesemi picture was a that is me Be
from a long time ago, but yeah,that is me.
So he's like I and I'm gonna.
(07:45):
Why we?
Why are you in frame?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was on grinder because we had talked about on
an episode of copy with gaze howI had gone on a grinder account
without a picture and then Sawthat was on there, I'm sure this
up in that set.
Remember the guy went on a datewith and I went on a grinder
account that wasn't mine and Ichecked right after.
So Matt listened to that andgot the idea that he should
(08:08):
check grinder it's your hemachine for grinder.
I was like he dropped hislocation as dad's house and then
saw a profile video of ourpicture of a guy.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I live in the middle of nowhere where there's maybe
like eight days and a 15 mileradius, like I, like you know
most, like Just like we'reBrad's great parents, like
there's nothing really wrapsanyway.
So so Matt got upset now, waslike what thought there?
And I'm like it's not just itis me, but it's not me would
(08:40):
come so was it really?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
wasn't like a week before then, the middle of night
, he woke up and said if youjust want to go on grinder like,
you can do it, or yes?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
yes, so he's like, he's like whatever.
So I don't like it.
That for nothing he doesn'tlike.
But yes, and I was like if Iwas on it I would just tell you
I'm on it, so anyway.
So I was up there for a trip,had to go to New York.
A friend of mine was like, hey,are you like?
Are you in Baltimore?
I saw like you want grinder.
I was like, did you just see?
(09:09):
Right now I'm just like, yeah,I was like just flight the file,
just like a profile and just doit.
But the problem is it's likeeven if you fly them Right here,
doesn't take you down.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So you're just very well aware that this happens a
lot.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I mean, I think you too, right, and my first time,
though, you have to realize backin when I was in my Later 20s,
I was dating a guy in Baltimore.
They were out at Christmas timeat a Christmas tree farm and
they said a friend of mine waslike hey, are you on grinder?
And I said no, dating great.
And they said, well, somebody'sgot your pictures because
(09:42):
they're trying to get me to comeover and I'm like where are you
?
And they're like I've beenBaltimore, which is where I live
.
I'm kidding me.
This is the first, isn't in thesecond, this isn't the third.
I've had my pictures used andthis is what I know, probably
five or six and you have toright Ryan twice, yeah, twice on
(10:02):
.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Instagram, or it was Instagram most recent time.
I remember my dad was visiting,had him out from Florida to do
some, some work at my house Lotsof work always at the house.
But and I remember that morning, like someone was kind of
similar but like a friend calledtheir text and there was a fake
Another profile on Instagramthat was using my photos, so
they grabbed like Six greatphotos of me at least they chose
(10:26):
good ones.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like I will say, your Instagram is very well curated.
Adams is pretty trash, butyours is curated well.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So my dad gets there and I'm trying so that I find
out that this person took, youknow, my photos, created this
account and the link was sayingyou know, hey, go to something
like a, just for fans, calm toyou know, see the see more, and
so like out, because, also, mydad showed up.
My god, are they gonna find out?
Are they gonna see it?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I go see their Son's videos, all mine, whatever it
wasn't to be clear, it was notyour just for sale, it was
somebody else who had put onelive.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So no, someone posted a profile using my photos and
had a link that said if you wantto see more, go here, basically
to see who would click on it,to then go and enter their
credit card info.
Take their credit card info.
I, in my state of being freakedout, of course, like signed up
too because I was like, well,let me see what's on there, like
(11:21):
do they have anything?
And then I quickly realized, oh, this is just like a wicks
account and I could really tellthat they just like screen shot
it and kind of like Branded thisthing to look like a legit,
just hands account, so just toget, like credit card info, yeah
, and so I checked my creditcard.
There is no like charges oranything and I just, you know, I
reported it and reportedthrough wicks and site was taken
(11:43):
down right away wicks took downthe site.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
But did Instagram take down the site?
Because we never got.
We reported Adams profileSebastian in the San Antonio
Women.
If there are any men namedSebastian San Antonio, he's a
liar and he's not a doctor.
We know that and he saidmultiple personas, but they
would not take it down.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So this isn't.
People need to be carefulbecause this is up to so friend
of my from Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Roy, who is very good looking.
Okay, we're gonna post and theYouTube video Picture Roy right
now, because he's super hot.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So Roy Roy is very, very good looking.
And when I first moved toDallas, I was overrinder and
Roy's profile popped up and Iwas like that's odd.
And I messaged him on Facebookand it was like, are you in
Dallas?
And he was like ah, there we go.
He's like is there a granderprofile?
(12:35):
And I was like yeah, and he waslike just flag it.
I was like well, now I want toknow like who's doing it and how
it's, how, like what's going on?
And I and I got very good atlike tracking, like where people
were the Nancy Joe Kind ofweird, but anyway I could find
out where pinpointed was.
And it pinpointed it in like afield, downtailed like one of
(12:57):
the parks, and I was like thisis like pinpointed from another
area, like Saudi Pinpoints.
So I was like that's reallyweird how that can happen.
How great does that work?
So, apparently, like what theydid with this is he'd say things
.
People from another country arePutting his for follow-up and
they're sitting there talkingand what they do is kind of like
(13:19):
what they did with yours isthey're putting out and they
would say to to whoever Talkedto him is, hey, do you want them
over?
I give the robotic massages andI need a credit card for a
booking.
So if you go to this bookingwebsite that's a little bit of
(13:40):
the website and which are creditcard information in they put
the credit card in for a nation,that, and then they run the
credit Courses and they justland stack it.
So Roy has been in like I'mjust gonna read off some.
Some of the big cities manynapples March on Nashville,
(14:01):
denver, dc, dallas, sanFrancisco, tallahassee, sydney,
new York, orlando, philly, rome,richmond, little.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Rock, Las Vegas.
Wow, this guy gets around.
City said and he put this up onhis Instagram.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Basically was like how many people have seen my
grinder profile?
And he doesn't have right.
How many people have seen mygrinder profile in your city?
And that's from people that are.
One is social media of 49cities that actually engaged it
and it.
What sad is Just really.
Companies don't want to doanything about it.
They don't want to make youwhat one of them verifies makes
(14:39):
you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Verifies graph does it has the option to verify.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Every one of them need to make it so that you have
to verify.
And I also think and this iswhere the catch 22 is coming in
For the gay side and I want tosay maybe for the straight side
is, if you don't want your faceup on that, you can get on there
and you can put a picture upWithout your face one and it was
out verifying it, or you usesomebody else's.
(15:05):
We need a just grinder tinderwith whatever you can.
You can put a face up and youdon't have to verify it and then
you can be incognito and notget busted.
If you're cheating or if you'reDane, you don't want to be out
and stuff like that.
So that's where it's gettinggrinder.
Like well, never do it, becausecrackers, like all the closeted
(15:27):
people would leave, and I stillsadly think there's a lot of
Closeted people after well,there are.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We are actually gonna have one on the show, which I
do want to mention, since wepromised that we would have them
as the first season opener, buthe had a family emergency, so
that will be later on and offuture episode, but we will have
the someone on about thatbecause I do think there are
closeted people.
However, you can do ageverification in the background.
You don't have to have, like apublic face, but no one in age
(15:55):
verification do who cares?
Yeah, take a picture of yourdriver's license and have it be
your photo and your name andyour real person.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you want me to take a picture of my license and
make my license for fall?
No, no, in the background.
If I was single and over I'mhere, nobody would ever talk.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
So, okay, let's talk about current news situation.
Which I really want to talkabout is Elon Musk just came out
, who everybody knows.
I Am kind of an Elon Muskfanboy and I will come out and
say that and I will stand behindand die on that hill.
I think he's one of the mostbrilliant people that actually
cares in our country and you canhate me for saying that, but
it's true and he's like thebiggest billionaire ever and he
(16:36):
keeps like doing shit, likebuying Twitter, which is like a
distraction, quite frankly, fromlike Neuralink and like
Starlink and SpaceX and all thisstuff.
Regardless, he came out theother day and actually said he's
been trying to combat bots onTwitter.
And, let's be honest, twitter,facebook, instagram, all these
fucking companies, even grinderthey love Having fake profiles
(16:58):
because it increases their usercounts.
They're able to say they havemore monthly active users.
They love a bot.
They will not want to get ridof bots because then their
numbers will go down.
They because they're falselyinflated.
Like we're gonna call it outand we're gonna disagree on it
because I don't think you Canreview that 1000%.
So what Elon came out and saidis I think the only way to truly
(17:19):
combat bots is to charge for X,formerly known as Twitter.
Well, I saw something about.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I mean what the previous, the Twitter kind of
similar version at like $8 amonth, so maybe around that or
something smaller.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, that's the current Twitter blue, but he's
talking about charging like sub$1 a month.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So that I would, I would maybe pay for cuz I'll
Twitter I don't really use, likeI don't want to, just to see
what's on it, but I don't likeengage.
I'm not engaging personalTwitter, twitters like by
LinkedIn's.
The same way I don't reallyengage.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Well, you're a handyman, so that's why nobody
uses LinkedIn, but but I mean, Iuse LinkedIn.
I significantly, I run anagency, so it's like actually a
great tool for me.
But, like I think, like ifFacebook and Instagram charge
less than a dollar a month,number one, their user counts, I
think, would go downsignificantly and they're a
(18:16):
public company.
It would really hurt theirbottom line because advertisers
aren't gonna pay as much asthey're gonna pay today For, you
know, two billion users,quote-unquote, you know eyeballs
.
So like, what's theimplications that?
But it would really solve a lotof problems when you think
about it.
So what about skin at?
So bots, basically, are aroundto increase ad revenues, quite
(18:38):
frankly, across the internet andit's a really big problem.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I was a a company that wanted to put bots out
there.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Like they create websites and essentially they
create fake traffic.
And so, like you are anadvertiser, right, and you go
spend money on Google ad, googleads, and you'll do display
advertising.
Display advertising is theworst right all the debanners
that you see on like weirdshitty websites and Advertisers
paying for those.
So essentially they'reincreasing.
They're falsely increasingtraffic on the web in order to
(19:09):
falsely inflate CPMs, which iscost per thousand impressions.
Facebook or something is like no, the people that own the sites,
and they got like the displayads and so they're like putting
out botnet networks.
And then there's also likethings like credit card fraud
and stuff like that.
So there's a whole bunch ofreasons for bots, but, like,
social networks have never, youknow, taking it upon themselves
(19:30):
to protect people and verifyIdentity, because if they did,
they would probably lose half oftheir base, right?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
So here's what all this money that I saw is.
A lot of like, we're honest,which I'm good at Facebook, so a
lot of Facebook pages.
I'm a died heart Reba fan.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Facebook's evil.
By the way, I hate MarkZuckerberg more than anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So I'm a diehard with him, right, and I see on the
Reba fan page, like four times ayear of the post, a picture of
Reba's ability happy birthday.
I sit there and ago one, whatis?
Because I always look for theother side and I'm like why are
they saying this up?
What the reason why they'resetting up is it's not a Reba's
(20:12):
birthday.
It's like the Reba's birthdayis in March and they'll put it
in like September and what theywant to get is they want to get
more people to fire up about itand Start talking about it and
be like that's a Reba's birthday.
Oh man, this is this and thisand this and this, because it
gets them higher on that tickerand it gets them found Faster
(20:34):
and gets their page up highbecause they're getting, like an
engaged post, more comments,more like.
Fucking pisses me off and that'swhy they say that everybody out
there, if you see somethingthat's BS or somebody putting
out there that says, oh my gosh,this can happen because in
today's world there's a lot ofthings where there's videos that
are that are put out there thatare not Actual videos and not
(20:56):
true, and people sit there andthey go They'll fire off because
everybody fires off of emotionsand they're going.
Well, that can't really happen.
Somebody's like how did thathappen?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Do, do, do and while it does, fires up each up well,
I recently did this on thecoffee with gaze account about
Oprah and I got blowed up.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
If you see something that is not true and not correct
and all that stuff, why justknow you can flag it, break,
just don't count it on it, killit, kill the page, don't comment
on it, because you're givingthem what they want.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I'm also going to just go a step further and say,
like we just came out of aperiod of time and this is where
I'm gonna get political on thisshow is like we just came out a
period of time.
We're like we like confirmedthat the FBI of government was
like literally working withTwitter to moderate free speech.
I think it's gross Disgustingthat our government is doing
that and yet the actual lawsthat govern these social media
(21:53):
companies and quite frankly, I'mgonna go ahead and loop dating
apps into this, because it'ssomething that I really care
about and I think nobody wantsto talk about it because all of
our, you know, people inCongress are 85 years old and
dying and they don't even knowhow to use the internet is part
of the problem.
I mean, literally, mitch McAuldie and find Santa.
All of them, they're all old,you know.
(22:14):
Quite frankly, like good forMitt Romney.
I can't even believe I'magreeing with him because I kind
of hate him so much.
I do, I do, but the guyactually Steped aside and said
we don't need another 80 yearold in Congress.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I just don't think that we need another person in
their 80s.
I'm a little long of toothalready.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
We don't need more.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Like me, but I do think that that the times we're
living in really demand the nextgeneration to step up and and
express their point of view andto make the decisions that will
shape our American politics overthe coming century.
And just having a bunch of guysthat were around the good baby
boomers who around in thepost-war era, we're not the
right ones to be making thedecisions for tomorrow exactly
(22:52):
because we're talking aboutissues like this, which none of
them can even fathom First soul,with two young friends, I got a
great question how, what do youthink?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
when was the law enacted that governs social
media companies?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
1996 1996 there was only like 26 words or something.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's actually called section 230 and it's something
that I've only really heard,like big VC people that I listen
to their podcasts in all in VCventure capital.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You've been updated since 30 years.
No, I don't think we're aboutin 1996.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
This is.
It's crazy about our governmentand it drives me so freaking
insane that, like we sit hereand argue about such bullshit
topics in In government and thensomething like this like, quite
frankly, the reason I thinkit's important is because it's
not just us as game, and likewomen like our friend that found
(23:50):
your profile, like she was likeyes, she's on, she bombo, or
like whatever and what they uselike tender.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Use my my profile bubbles how she's now do it.
I want to straighten the upsidein the weekend a.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So they create a tender profile or bubble profile
and they link it to anInstagram account and they you
reuse your photos so that itlooks like they're real.
First, it just gives themvalidity.
And you know, mark Zuckerbergsits there in his fricking ivory
tower and he with his like 800security guards and he doesn't
gift shit and it really,honestly, it encourages child
(24:32):
exploitation, because kids alsolike look, we all did that shit.
I think we've talked aboutbefore when we were kids, right?
Speaker 3 (24:39):
No, I was, I was good .
I was good, I didn't drink.
It was true.
I did all of it later on.
Oh yeah, I can see you, superChristian.
Yeah, I lived under a rock.
Bradley and I were talkingabout this yesterday, because I
was like I don't, I don't thinkmy parents probably actually
sheltered me, or like I was likewait, maybe it was in my head
and I I know and so, but like Ithink I had it in my head that
(25:00):
they were Did your city never,but for some reason, for some
reason I know if anyone knows mymom now, I mean, but I think
when I was growing up, though, Imust have just like thought
that they were.
I like created this wholeillusion.
Of course, Bradley's like Ryancreating something that doesn't
exist.
Imagine that.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Imagine that.
I can totally imagine that.
Ha.
Anyway, yeah, you were a goodkid, I was not.
I was on the show, I was inchat rooms at 13.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I was like Mom, I gotta get on the internet.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
At this point, we still allow kids to be on these
platforms.
That like literally.
And then you have all thesepredator shows.
I mean it's literally all over.
It was, 30 years later, apolitician in our government and
you aren't doing legislationfor this, like your growth
person and you should retire,yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And I also think that anybody out there that
catfishes or like those zombie,that I think that should be like
a pretty strict offense, Likedon't we get some laws about
that?
Because it's fraud, it's you'redoing fraud, yeah.
The one difference is, ifyou're you're seeming you're
somebody I mean, if you want anaccord and said, hey, I will,
(26:13):
you know blame and it's reallyme it's fraud.
Like, yeah, it's fraud.
So just behind me there's agovernment and sure click.
And only because it's a longway that you're going to be able
to stop this year.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, and protect kids, protect women and protect
men.
Yeah, like you are leaving somany people out there to be
preyed upon by these freakinglosers and it's really
disgusting and gross and you'redoing it all too long.
Mark Zuckerberg's prop pockets,who's a freaking scumbag, quite
frankly.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Here's the you and the social media, because I feel
like you've got, you've gotlike government, government
policy that hasn't been linkedup, and then you got your social
media.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So my point was there is a, there is a plan to revise
section 230, and mainly whatthis came from is where people
said, where, basically, ElonMusk said look, Twitter was
doing all this.
You know what's it calledmoderation?
And the thought is now thatsocial media companies should be
(27:10):
required to publish why yourband or your content was
moderated.
Because even TikTok, Becausethey can publish why someone's
banned.
Yeah, so like, for example, alot of creators on TikTok right
now are getting their contentlike taken down or banned or
they'll get their account andthey don't know why.
(27:30):
And they're not requiredbecause this section 230 gives
them really blatant impunity todo whatever they want and create
whatever policy they want.
They're allowed to do thatwithout telling you why.
So the real current revision isbasically like hey, we should
now have transparency on thereason why.
I don't think that goes farenough, because I think it
(27:52):
doesn't deal with things like,you know, protecting our kids,
protecting women, protecting menon dating apps and social media
and all this other stuff Likeidentity verification is a
reasonable thing to do.
This isn't about voting.
This should not be likesomething.
This is about safety.
I mean, the argument that youknow people don't have access to
(28:13):
a government identification Ithink is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
What's their?
No, what's their.
How are they standing?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, so the argument is and this really comes down to
voting is that disenfranchisedgroups, namely people of color,
can't get an ID because the IDoffice is too far, it's too hard
to get, or whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So they have their ID , but they're claiming they
don't have access to it.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
No, they're saying that it disenfranchises voters
and you should be able to votewithout a night.
But from a social mediaperspective, I think this is
about safety.
So, even if you don't eventhink about, like, the voting
impacts of this, it's really,it's really, it's it's.
It's a nice to have socialmedia anyway, and I think, when
it comes to safety and reallyprotecting kids which is
something that I care a lotabout and and, like I said, even
(29:03):
really girls and we talkedabout how scary it is to be gay
I think it's important that westart protecting, you know, our
community and these social mediacompanies should be held to
account, but a bunch of 80 yearold idiots in Congress don't
even know how the internet works.
Do you know how many TikTokaccounts I come across where
it's basically people, vigilante, pedo, like, like, like, like
(29:23):
finding like pedophiles outthere, and it's like gross and
they're all finding them ondating apps.
Like all the gay kids are allon Grindr, and I'm like this is
gross, like this is somethingthat we could easily take care
of you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Sign up for Grindr, do you have to verify and say
I'm 18 or so.
Someone is lying Like, yeah,I'm 18.
Get me on here.
No, but I mean so.
But they're able to then usethat to be like, well, it's not
on us because that person saidthat I'm 18, older, and because
of section 230, we're not liablefor anything.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Anyway, and it's just like extensive.
It's just really gross that ourpoliticians have not gotten you
know up to speed on this.
But then again, when you're ina congressional hearing with you
know, the CEO of TikTok, andsaying that you're sending your
data through your home Wi-Fi tothe mothership and back Called
TikTok US Data Security byAmerican personnel.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
You have access to that.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
We have began this operations already Okay, but the
app itself has access to thedata correct.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Only through them you know any employees that have
the data no no what.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I mean is like if I use lose my iPhone and I
reinstall the app and I put inmy username and password, my
Apple reconnect to themothership and download some of
that data at my setting.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
That's not the way it works.
No, that's not the way it works.
I got to call this guy outbecause I think he deserves a
lot of credit as my currentfavorite politician and I
obviously don't go to the left,but he is a Democratic Senator
Congressman from North Carolina,jeff Jackson what?
First of all, he's hot as hell.
He's super hot.
(30:54):
Right, it's looking it up Totallike 30s dad vibes.
But this TikTok is really goodand every time he makes a
decision or vote he really comesand like, talks directly to his
constituents.
I can I really do encourageeveryone to follow his account.
It is probably one of the bestpolitical accounts I've ever
seen and that's what we needmore of.
(31:15):
You know, and that's why I amglad that Mitt Romney stepping
down and when I did have thatargument with that person over
Mitt Romney being an old goatand they're like well, someone
else is probably going to stepin in Utah.
Sure, it's going to be aRepublican.
It's freaking.
Utah, it's a bunch of Mormonpeople.
They're going to vote for aRepublican, but I'd rather a 35
year old, 39 year old Republican, even in their 40s.
(31:36):
I don't care and I'm going toget called out for being a just
shut up Jim Zm over it.
But yeah, like I just don'tthink a geriatric, you know, 80
year old, who doesn't understandthe Internet, should be making
these decisions and it reallyputs people at risk.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I think we need to get rid of all parties and just
have a running.
I don't give a shit if you'reon the logical right.
I don't give a shit, just afree for all.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I mean Just a quick break for all, just like
sections, but technically that'swhat it is.
I mean, this is the problem.
We do need term limits in thiscountry, because the problem is
this Is that if you're in SanFrancisco, let's be honest
you're voting Democrat, right.
If you're in Utah, you're goingto vote, probably, republican.
I did not do this research andI wish I had.
(32:19):
I just not thought of it.
But I would love to know thepercentage of Congress who's
actually been in office likemore than 30 years.
My point is Maxine Waters can'tstand her either.
You still live in LA.
She has represented Compton, Ithink, for probably 45 years at
this point and I think she hasAlzheimer's.
But my point is I think thepeople of Compton should have a
(32:40):
really great young Democrat, butnobody's forcing her to step
down and she won't do it on herown.
And that's the problem.
And we complain about theSupreme Court not do it like not
retiring when they need to, butwe don't complain about
Congress not doing it.
I mean, you literally haveMitch McConnell having seizures
like like live, like on TV.
It's shocking.
(33:00):
And Nancy Pelosi she's alsosaid she's re-running again.
No, she is, she's going to be.
I think, if I remember it,she's going to be 85 or 86 at
the end of her next term andshe's going to win because in
San Francisco girls she's notgoing anywhere.
I don't know why these peopledon't want to.
You know why, Mitt Romney?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Just sit there and volunteer.
You've done your time.
You know, in my class, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, don't let me hear it lying.
Oh God, I don't.
I'm not thinning like my hairisn't thinning, I swear I'm not.
I have really great hair.
It's really sad what happenedto it.
(33:45):
This is probably the mosttraumatized I've been over a
procedure.
But seriously, it is yeah.
So yeah, I really do think like, yes, it's time to step in,
it's time to take care andcontrol the social media.
We've discussed a lot today andI mean this was a very
passionate discussion.
I'm glad this was our returningepisode.
(34:07):
I am very excited for us to getthe closeted game in on the
show, but I really wanted totalk about these topics.
I'm glad you guys were likereally into it, because I'm so.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I would like to say that I was on brought the topic
up.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean, let's put it this way, you brought the topic
up and I made it intelligent.
Yeah, and Ryan did research.
It was great.
Yeah, I won the trivia question.
He's been doing his homeworkduring our break, unlike you who
hasn't been, so we might stillkick you off coffee with gays.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
It already looks.
It already looks like you'reright, isn't that what we just
said?
But you know, I'm taking.
I'm taking Jared.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I mean I think I did very good with the on that one
for you, because the other oneyou had was a little.
It was a little too too gay,and that's not what we're about.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It looks like this shirt that I brought for the
next recording.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Oh, really it's like that, but like it was just very
graphic.
So, anyway, we got Jared, sowe're happy about it, but I'm
excited about the next episode.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
It is about something that Adam feels strongly about
Adam feels strongly about thenext topic Wow, wow, the soccer.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
But basically how we kind of make fairy tales of like
dating and relationships.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And like, as a person , how we put ourselves out there
as somebody that we want to bein our best light, but it's
really not the true person thatwe are, and that's what the next
episode is going to be about.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Not just for gays too .
Also like this straights,because I think we have a lot of
straight girls in our life thatlike, literally like do this
all the time, where you knowthey meet a guy and all of a
sudden it's like their husbandand they plant everything.
It's just wild, and then itcrashes and burns.
It always crashes and burnsJust 1000%.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So true to something last episode episode true of
season two of Coffee with Gays.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Cheers.
This was fun.
I like the new set up.
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