S1 Ep 4 | 😴 'Woke Up' or Hit Snooze? 🛌 - We're Dissecting 'Woke' Culture in Gay America

We're challenging the status quo and daring to speak out about the journey of being "woke" in the LGBT community. Hear how our day-to-day lives are shaped by stories of mixed showers, morning routines, and Adam's vibrant revelations. Buckle up, as we serve up a fresh brew of thought-provoking discussions, heartwarming anecdotes, and our own experiences in Episode 4 of our series, Coffee With Gays.

It's time to have those conversations that matter. We uncover the harsh realities of discrimination that gay men face in the corporate world and spark a dialogue about the seismic shift in social dynamics since the Marriage Equality Act. But it's not all doom and gloom. From the evolving symbolism of the pride flag to the controversy surrounding the Bud Light ad, we're demonstrating the power of language and inclusivity. Are we ready to address these controversial topics head-on? Absolutely!

We don't shy away from diving deep into the heart of LGBTQ+ identity and representation. Hear us debate about the complexities of transgender rights and representation, with a particular focus on the Bud Light ad featuring a transgender teenager. We also dissect the controversy around drag shows performed for children and the ever-changing dynamics of our families. Grab your coffee and get ready to be part of the conversation - from the comforts of your own home.

Show Notes: 

00:00 - The boys bicker about who's going to host this episode. Spoiler Alert: Blaine takes the crown! 👑
00:52 - Welcome to Episode 4! We've been working hard on your feedback, and we're excited to dive into today's topic: 'Woke Up' or Hit Snooze? 🛌
01:35 - We're taking a hard, long look at the "woke" world. Buckle up, it's going to be a wild ride! 🎢
04:12 - Icebreaker time! How often do you shower? Adam's answer might surprise you! 🚿
09:51 - We pivot to the main topic: the evolution of woke culture. Blaine shares his first "woke" experience in West Hollywood. 🌈
10:50 - Blaine confronts his career trauma and the shocking reality of his past experiences. 😮
12:20 - We discuss the Supreme Court decision and the Respect for Marriage Act, and how it changed the benefits for our community. ⚖️
16:20 - Cancel culture: is it helping or hurting us? 🚫
21:00 - We discuss the Progress Pride flag and its significance. 🏳️‍🌈
24:00 - What about the intersex flag? We've got that covered too! 🏳️‍⚧️
25:00 - The term "queer" - offensive or empowering? We share our thoughts. 🗣️
29:00 - GenZ is here and they're loud! But is their approach helping or hurting the cause? 📣
30:00 - We discuss the Bud Light controversy with Dylan Mulvaney. 🍺
32:00 - Adam shares his thoughts on transgender sports. 🏅
34:00 - Caitlyn Jenner: love her or hate her, we can't ignore her impa

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
OK, let's get going on this.
Ok, adam, i think you're thehost for today's show.
Ryan is the host for today'sshow.
I'm on the next one.
Oh, i'm, this is the one youwere inspired by.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I hosted the last one I know Well.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Technically, we were in the fourth and You told me I
can only host one and then itwould have to be I was joking.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
This one, i think, is more you, or unless you really
want to host this one.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'd want to be involved with it.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I just I'm really raising because, I didn't think
I was hosting this one.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
OK, you know what Chad?
you already wrote everything.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
OK, fine.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm not, you do it, you do it Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I want to host an episode.
Will you get that paper toweloff?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
the table.
Yes, not very on brand.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
So I'm very on brand.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
You just hide it.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
OK, ok, i think this is good.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's giving personality.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It does.
Yeah, I can't wait to see whatRiley does with that.
So welcome to Coffee with Gays.
This is, I believe, Episode 4.
I can't believe we made it thisfar And we're still friends, so
that's great.
I'm Blaine, your host.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Hang on about the day We made it.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, it is, We made it And I think after this one
we're going to actually have abetter schedule and I think
we're getting more organized.
So I'm going to thank you guysfor your dedication.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Now we have a little cheat sheets now, yeah, we've
got a whole show The audiodidn't take as long to set up.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, we're learning.
We're learning.
Thanks for sticking with us And, yeah, i appreciate it.
Adam, i'm Adam And I'm Ryan,yeah, and our host Blaine And
I'm your host Blaine today.
And today we're going to betalking about being woke up and
really the impact it has notjust on our country and our

(01:49):
world, but also our community,and I think it's something we
all have experienced and feelpassionate about, and it's a
huge conversation happeningright now.
It's a very touchy, supertouchy, and we definitely want
to touch touchy subjects.
Hopefully we don't piss toomany people.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
But an episode four.
This may be the ending.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
But then again, if we don't, then maybe we're not
doing the right thing, because Ithink that's the whole point of
what we're doing here isstarting a conversation, because
I think what we all do asfriends we have friends from
literally every background, itdoesn't matter politically,
racially, like everybody I think, from every background.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
We're very well-versed group.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
We are Of bottoms You're Well, by the way.
Can we tell everyone what youcame up with and decided and
declared at Roundup the otherday?
Oh, your vibrant moment.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yes, oh, we got a chat.
Did you do it on the mic?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
In the group chat.
Adam has decided he is a Nolonger, because on a previous
episode, you declared that youare actually super-versed Yeah,
which is a lie.
It's an honest lie And not onlyare you?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I know my roots, I mean we also know it's a lie.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
But not only are you a bottom, you are a vibrant
bottom.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Did I come up with that or did Rhino come up with
that?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Because I feel like Rhino.
I don't know the story.
I just saw that you've declaredin all caps that you were a
vibrant bottom.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
What does a vibrant mean to you?
How do you define?
How's that really?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Like really something to Give me something to talk
about.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
No, I just I see that .

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I don't even know how it came up.
I don't know how it I've beendrinking.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And that's Yeah.
That's usually how it happens,i feel like this was a Rhino
decision.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And he was like hey, you're the vibrant bottom, the
excited, i guess, bottom, theenergized personality Energized.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I will agree with that And I would say vibrant
bottom.
I'm glad you finally came tothis decision, because now we've
been on multiple trips togetherand you've vibrantly bottomed
at Multiple Every city.
Actually We've been together,so I hope so Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I definitely agree with that sentiment.
So vibrant bottom Adam,congratulations We're very proud
of you.
It's like your second comingout, oh my God, and it's really
good, because now you canactually go for a top and not
another bottom, so that's good,oh Lord.
Yeah, and I do think that youhad another little piece of

(04:19):
trivia that you wanted us totalk about today.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Trivia Yeah, like a little like icebreaker.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
question A little icebreaker.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I saw this on Facebook today And a friend of
mine put it out there and saidare you a morning person for
showers or are you an eveningperson for showers?
So I was quite intrigued bythis Because I was like I wonder
how many people I personallyshower a lot more than the
normal average person, because Ishower in the mornings and at

(04:48):
nights, and if I go to the gym Ialso shower after the gym.
So what do you do?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right now generally once a day in the morning after
the gym.
So we're up by 5.15, gym, thenshower before work.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
So I used to.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I like to shower before bed, Like I honestly feel
really good when I do that, butI haven't been in the habit
again of doing that lately.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
What do you do?
I shower in the morning when Iget up because I have to.
I do work from home And I haveto shower to get my day going,
or I just won't be productiveAnd then I usually work at about
3 pm, so then I shower afterthat And then usually I'm home.
Actually, i was forced by anex-boyfriend to shower before

(05:31):
bed every night, so I have thisaversion to it.
Except I will always showerafter I travel on planes which
is often because I think thatit's disgusting to go to bed
when you're outside And thentypically if I'm at a bar or
something, i definitely alwaysshower, like.
I always shower first Or fallasleep on the couch in the
middle of the shower.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I always shower before I go out, Because me too
I've got a Well because, you'rea high spotter.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I'm going to clean that hole before you.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I've not written Floody Bottom, That's for sure I
would rude.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
You never know what you're going to be A Canadian
reminds me of some Airbnb guestsI had.
I overheard them many timessaying Watch your booty hole.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Who is that?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I've got so many Airbnb stories From gay Airbnb
people, mr Vien, they were gay,lesbian, oh Yeah, and they were
watching their booty holes.
The lesbian ones, well, the onewas making sure her girlfriend
watched her booty hole.
Are they having butt sex?
I don't know.
I really didn't want to havetoo much to deal with them.
I don't want.
Yeah, i remember when thelesbians.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Were these the methhead lesbians?
They were.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
He was really upset.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I was traumatizing.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Ryan is, I think, rarely traumatized by anything.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
What.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
He was like I had never heard about this.
He was so upset.
He's like my whole room smellslike, i think, meth.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I came in, so they were okay at first.
But then when it came in and Iwas like It smells really odd.
I was like do we cook?
Did they cook something funny?
But I was like it smells likeCharlie P somewhere.
So then I texted in the groupchat because I didn't know And I
was like, hey, does anyone knowwhat meth smells like?
And of course everyone repliesand it's yeah like cat pee And I

(07:11):
was like Oh shit, and I got allmy head And then so I knocked
on the door Wait was this thegroup chat I was in.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't think you were invited at the time.
I was in some chat.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I don't think you were invited at the time.
Maybe you Because I had been ina hotel room with meth pipes in
LA and I had What the hell gota hotel reach thing in there It
was actually a very fancy hotelcalled the Polly House in West
Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
P-A-L-I Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was very cool And I rented a suite and there were
like eight meth pipes behind theAV equipment.
I got a whole night free and abunch of free champagne because
they were so embarrassed.
Yeah, i have some personalexperience, but not personal
experience.
I've never done that.
That's one thing that I don'tknow.
But yeah, cat pee, wow, and itdid smell like cat pee.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
So it was that.
And then I knocked on the doorand I tried to be very like Hey,
just checking on you.
Like I smells like some kind ofstrange odor, is everything
fine, or whatever.
Immediately it just seemed verydefensive and they're like I
don't, what do you mean?
I've got my vape and I was justokay, did they open the door?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, i knocked on the bedroom door.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
They opened it.
We chatted for a minute.
They were like said it was hervape, and I was just like okay,
i don't know.
And I was just so like Icouldn't deal with it.
How long did they stay with it?
But then every time I came homeafter that they like found a
drawer in the kitchen with aninstant stick, and so then the
house kept smelling like theinstant stick after I said
something.
So I was like okay, they'redefinitely covering something.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
So the lesson you learned was don't accept
lesbians from Mr BNB, becausethat's weird anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, this one was Airbnb.
Do you get to pick and choosewho can and can't?
Speaking of which one is B?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, it's just they sign on You kind of set your own
parameters, but I actuallyhaven't been doing Airbnb lately
.
I've switched to a little bitlonger term.
So I get three or four monthsstays And he currently has a
really hot guy.
He's straight, though If you'relucky, i might invite you to
his full parties.
Oh my God, his full parties.
He moved out to an apartmentnear SMU.

(09:07):
Oh my God, i better get a party.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
How is he?
He's very cute.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Whoa, this is what's his face.
This is who I know You told meabout it.
Send me a picture of it.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Other girls.
I'll love you for this.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
He's a friend of the gates and we love a straight
friend of the gay us gay peopleare creepers.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, i'm in here deep, though, and I'm putting my
threats me, you're to snappictures I'm like look at this
hot guys.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
In home.
I'm not a creeper.
I do not do that with thestraight dudes.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Blast it.
There are like ran out.
Did you lose your vision?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I'm always too big VP straight to tell you, i always
and I like walk past and I'mlike I don't need a tool today,
but now I do.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, why?
because I live in woke worldand I'm Bring it back.
And how that could be reallyoffensive to people.
And I just think my question iswhen did you guys start
noticing The kind of like howwokeness, i guess what's a great
example.
I'll tell you what my first Ithought and it was like shocking

(10:28):
to me.
It's having a discussion with alittle kid in West Hollywood,
and I say little kid because hewas like I don't know, i'm like
21 when was this though?
Probably like six years ago fiveyears ago, so I don't know from
like that, and he basicallytold me that I was like, as a
gay man, i've never experienceddiscrimination because I'm white

(10:49):
.
I had to be a personal colorgay man In order to ever just be
discriminated against.
I've actually written a lot oflinkedin posts lately about I
have a linkedin ghost writerthat like has been helping me
like talk Through like my careerstuff and it has been nice
because I've worked through alot of career trauma as a gay
man and I'm like, wow, i've beenthrough a lot and I've just

(11:09):
missed it so much And especiallyin the last like year with my
last job, i literally just letso much shit go that I should
never have let go.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
So let me ask this have you ever been fired for
being gay?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I have been pushed out and I'm pretty sure it was
for being gay and have you.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I've also pretty sure I've not been promoted for it.
I'm not gonna claim that one.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I've bluntly been accused of stealing.
I've been called the fruityemployee.
Yeah, i have been very much, soI let it when somebody says oh,
you're a white privilege, soI'm like, no, i'm not.
I gotta tell you as I like haverelived these experiences.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
I was like, wow, i've experienced a lot of
discrimination as a gay man incorporate America, especially as
an executive, and I gotta saymy last boss really, truly, is
probably the only one that gaveme a seat at the table And I
really appreciated that.
That's why I'm out on my own,because I just I can't deal with
that anymore.
But yeah, like I noticed, and Iwas like this kid is just like

(12:09):
such a lala land because hehasn't I Literally fought for
marriage equality since I waslike in college which I know it
doesn't look like it, but it'slike a while ago But yeah, like
I and I'm so happy that we have-You know, marriage equality.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
now I'm trying so hard but it was a huge win for
us but it was also probably oneof the This is a me, one of the
worst things for us to do, orone of the most backlash,
because you had people that werelike On like the same health
insurance, that were partnersand they could be as partners.

(12:47):
And as soon as The marriagerights came through Yes, what
companies are like you want thatFreakin benefit.
You better go marry yourpartner then, because we're not
and and and think about it.
Before it was, before there was, you know, the Marriage
equality and all of the rights,our gay bars were very strong.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't know it hasn't changed much down here.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But up north we had very strong gay bars because the
gays were afraid to go out intothe straight world.
They were afraid to go out intoa straight bar and Hugging just
a boyfriend, obviously not onecouple in this whole group.
They'll do it in an oldnational, but Yeah, but until we

(13:32):
get to home of sassas.
Once marriage equality came inand all that stuff, i think it
it took a big hit on the Gayworld, especially up north, of
being a close, connected groupand Made everybody feel
comfortable just to go out intothe straight bars.
What's just put more of astruggle on people finding other

(13:56):
gays.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I don't know, but straights, come into our bars.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I do because it's what do they come?

Speaker 3 (14:03):
He's straight guys.
Do you see him?
So you have a struggle findinggays up north.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, absolutely like , uh, so from both of them from
yeah we used to before, beforethere was marriage equality, we
had Probably six gay bars.
Today we have one huh one,because everybody just goes out
into the You can't go somewhereever and every bar and the world
as it's now.
Look, nobody really caresanymore and everybody's just

(14:31):
blended in and it's gonna comeback.
It's something It has to.
I feel it.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, no, it's because you want, you feel like
you want the equality and theblending, by the same time
holding on to like Our owncommunity and heritage and safe
space and like what that was andit's like you want to go be
with, like you are people rightat the same time and have a good
time and like Really agree,like I gotta say now.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Okay, i gotta be careful because I know that our
audience is going to be heavilyFemale too, after our, all of
our friends We met at Nashville,including bachelorette, gotta
say, those bachelorettes at thegay bars, they really pissed me
off.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Bachelors anywhere piss only this.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
There's a rule in my opinion You can have your
bachelorette party at the gaybar, but you have to like have a
gay friend with you, and if youdon't, it's just we're not here
to entertain you.
That's my thought on that one.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, i agree with that, because I feel like that
we are the posed entertainmentfor them, so they're all like
hanging on us Straight girls,and we want to do this, yeah,
but then it's also like The kindof like supporting us and it's.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
That is just so like the opposite.
By the way, this sounds likeI'm being like a woke person,
which is actually kind of funny.
I know, i'm like totally.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Bring it back again.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Oh yeah, I don't know how to slightly against it.
I get it.
This is like a really hardthing.
one of my opinions on thissituation is I really feel Like
and maybe it was just because wewere all actually heard a
comedian or someone say thisthat we were all just sitting at
home during Covid and likedeciding what we could get
pissed off about Over like thattime, and then it just got out

(16:09):
of control.
But I will say this I thinkI've seen over a period of time
and I'll Throw it out there Doyou think that people have now
started to regress and stop allthe cancel culture?
because Everybody was gettingcanceled Like you almost
couldn't be person.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I actually I don't think that I've seen anybody get
cancelled really anymore.
I know.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
It's almost like you can't get cancelled.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Here's what kisses me off about everything.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's why we're having this job.
So, and I'm a careful one- Wewon't be the first to get
cancelled, mama jitter, you knowwhat?
No, they can't shut us down.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, we're not gonna get shut down?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, they can't shut us down, we're not in ourselves
Democratic anyway I hope thingis this you didn't even picture
wine in the coffee cup, by theway.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
But I'm just sick of People forcing and it goes back
to the whole work thing.
People like, oh my gosh, yougot fired, so I got fired from a
job, and they were like you gotfired from a job, you should
sue them and get back in thereand work it.
Why would?
I wouldn't work for somebodywho doesn't want me to work for
you, i agree.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
So what I did?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
is.
I walked away and I opened up acompany to compete against them
And took a lot of theirbusiness.
That I may have lost in the end, because I lost a lot of money
in that, but It was a smallwinning of a fight and I was
like you know what screw it,like it was well worth it.
But There's things like thatlike why would you want to be in

(17:39):
?
this goes for like people likewant to be friends, why would
you want to be in a Friendshipgroup where friends don't want
you?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I Completely agree with you.
Why?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
not go be around people that want to be friends
with you If you don't fit inwith them and you're not a part
of them.
Go find people that that areapart.
You're a part of.
Everybody has their group andtheir surroundings.
Not everybody has to love you.
Not everybody will love you.
It's just not.
There's a lot of people thatAbsolutely hate me.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, yeah, we've all , yeah, you've got a mixture
Your personality I'm a verystrong personality, I mean I
think you said this in episodeone that people will start to
learn and love and maybe hate.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Mrs Bailey, the talent, miss Bailey, miss Bailey
.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
But people who know me okay, know me that if shit
hits a fan, it's true, you wantto go to the bank, I will be
there, i will have their back.
I will bust your balls all theway to the bank, but I will have
your back You can't rent allfrom the American Airlines.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, carry it out of carry, and I have to carry it
out of carry.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
And I had to be off somebody, off of Mason.
So there's, it's just.
I would never force myself intoa group and I'm talking in
general like I don't understandwhy straight girls come to gay
bars and want us or try to notwant us, but try to make us love
them, And it's no.
Calm down, sit back, enjoy thetime, don't be obnoxious, and

(19:12):
we'll probably love you Andwe'll love you Yeah.
Look at when we were inNashville.
We were at the bar and we had agreat conversation with a bunch
of girls and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's because they weren't shoving themselves down
our throat, actually, like wecame back with a lot of
girlfriends from that trip,aside from the obnoxious ones.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
None of them were.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
None of them were on a bridesmaids trip That is
absolutely true And one of ourfriends has started with a
bridesmaids trip.
One of our friends has startedwith a friend who sells ozimpic,
so we're very excited.
Oh yeah, we're very excited.
Ozimpic, ozimpic.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Oh, they're like weight loss.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, i don't want to tell you that Remember that
time I asked for your piece so Icould give him an jarrow.
And then you're like I'm typeone, diabetic.
I'm like oh, that won't work,I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding, Yes.
I've been getting that and I'vegot guy on the sword about.
It's okay for everybody and itshould be open to everybody.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I have a different episode on that later.
I always say there's nothingthat I won't do, that I won't
admit Everything that I'll do,i'll admit it Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
You could use a little bit, i'm just kidding,
there's a pot calling the kettleblack.
Okay, i have a question then.
Okay, so we know all the wokeozim like out there.
it's a lot of the Gen Z kidstoo.
I got to say another greatthing about having a company in
my own.
I don't have to deal with a lotof these kids and not be able
to deal with them because, likecorporate America, you have to

(20:43):
deal with a lot of people likeGen Z kids at your job.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I do with a lot of people like I'm, which a lot of
this is my everyday.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
I feel like.
no, i mean generally it's good.
There's sometimes where, likeit also drives me crazy And if
anyone seemed like that moviebros, i know there's like mixed
feelings on it, but either way,the scene at like the table and
they're all fighting and they'relike you got a month and we
only get a week.
And like I feel like that in myjob so many times, because we're

(21:16):
all like there's all thiscommunications about heritage
months and recognition momentsand having conversations and
like right now there's a lot ofreally good stuff.
So in general I reallyappreciate, but like we're doing
like this progress pride flagfinally getting that rolled out
and that's been like a yearjourney to get that approved and
all that.
So now we're doing likeeducation about it, like what

(21:39):
does it mean?
and inclusion, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
You don't know how I feel about the progress pride.
Okay, and this is me as acentrist.
Here's my take.
Here's my take is how manycolors can we add to the flag?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh, if you really, before it returns brown, before
it turns brown, it's going toturn brown.
If you add all the colorstogether, it will be bright.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I've had that thought because I'm like, when we were
like having this conversationabout like getting this approved
, and stuff I'm like are weseriously going to go like a
month later and be like oh, justkidding, the gaze can't make up
their mind?
Now I have another flag liketoo many flags.
I can't even keep up, i know,but this is where we saw Yes.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
There's a newer one.
There's a new flag There's somany flags.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Here's the problem with all this shit.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
It is called.
There's one and it has a circle.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Excuse us, and how did this move?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Intersects flag Wet moves How about?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
oh okay, so how about we first define what we're
talking about so that everyone,like, knows what this flag is?
So the one I'm actually wearingright now, but like a
traditional iconic rainbow flag,would be the traditional colors
you see here on the side.
Progress pride flag is nowadding the black, brown, light

(22:56):
blue, pink and white forbasically adding additional
community.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
So what color are we missing?
I don't know What color are youmissing.
This is from your company,right?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
This is part of your company, so not the shirt I'm
wearing, but right now it's beena big initiative for me at work
, at work And a lot of companiesare doing it.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
For you?
are you pressing us at work?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
So I did, but it's not just me, because I'm
representing a lot of people.
So and I'd represent you know.
I feel like I understand thatthere's some people within
Toyota's LWTQ community that maydisagree with it.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
If I'm still the representative of a large group
majority wants this, then I'm,on behalf of them, pushing for
this Let me, just because I oneof the things I love doing at
press more than anything was ourpride campaign and I saw so
much support and price had aretail team of 800 people with a
ton in LGBTQ like from alldifferent backgrounds And we

(23:57):
always supported like LGBTQyouth that were like kicked out
of homes And I just really feltsuper passionate about it.
And I remember having adiscussion because we were doing
a campaign around the rainbowflag and I wanted to really
educate people on this topic Andthis is this kind of
conversation started comingabout.
And now the flag.

(24:17):
To your point earlier how manycolors are we going to add and
like how many things?
how many letters are we goingto add to our acronyms?
It's becoming ridiculousbecause now there's an intersex.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's a joke, it's a joke.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's a very valid point that I yeah.
This is what I wanted to justsay, and I don't know if people
actually know what the originalpride flag was about, and I feel
like I wish companies wouldeducate more rather than like
just put it on their frickingbeer cans and their like
merchant that.
I saw the time because I thinkit was really powerful, because
it wasn't about race, it wasn'tabout even, it wasn't even just

(24:54):
about being gay.
So it's not about transgenderrace, gay.
It's about people in love.
Like those colors red stood forlife, orange was healing, sun
was yellow, nature was green,serenity was blue and spirit was
purple.
And then, like during the AIDScrisis, like life was obviously
like a really important part ofthat.
So like this flag wasn't aboutanything that had to do with

(25:19):
anything but community, andcommunities become such a big,
important part of like my lifelately And that's what I feel
like the initial colors and theyreally are primary colors that
have nothing to do with race.
So to keep adding like allthese things and say they're not
representative, there'sactually a prism that in and of
itself is representative of allcolors and all people and all

(25:41):
things.
So I think by screwing with it,you actually are making it less
inclusive.
I think that the woke ism ofthis flag changing has actually
made it more regressive.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I 100% agree with you , because it's not like gay is
red and bi is orange.
It is all in all And that's theonly thing that's really funny
about this is, for the firsttime, probably a year or two ago
, i heard somebody call thewhole thing as general queer.
Back in the beginning days, ifyou called somebody queer, that

(26:16):
was very like offensive andderogatory and you just didn't
do that.
Do you not remember that?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean, i just I'm loving that you brought that up,
because I feel like I'veactually started to identify
more with queer over the lastfew years, See I still because I
never felt like I identified asmuch with gay, so like I
started to wonder does queersound more fitting?
I'm on the other end.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I rather somebody say that your gay versus your queer
, like I still and maybe it'sbecause I grew up with it and
it's just the way that it waspresented back in the day, but I
still feel like queer is veryderogatory and it's, and it just
it's a very unsettling thingfor me that I just cringe.
And my sister, who wanted to doall of this, she came to me and

(27:07):
she goes at our LGBT QIA, zb,rlmnop, plus negative equals and
backslash with all of this.
Yeah, it bothers the shit outof me.
I just she's like I cringe atsaying it's the queer group and

(27:29):
I totally get it Like it wasjust the LGBT.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I agree.
To me, when I grew up, it wasderogatory to draw.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
That is absolutely true, but I also like it's
language and how languageevolves, and there's people in
groups that can shift thismeaning and sentiment of
language.
So if they can take ownershipof that word to be something
positive 100 years from now,people that grow up then may
never or may not even be a word,who knows?
it evolves Right.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
So now that we say, oh, and the fact group.
but I'm serious about that,Like I want to blown away by why
we can't keep on stackingletters and numbers and pluses
that like it's just LGBT.
You either gay, bi, transgenderor lesbian.
If you're not one of those,what the fuck are you?

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That's the pink.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It's trans.
What's the blue?
It's a trans flag, but what'sthe blue?
It's this part of the transflag.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So the trans gets fucking 18 colors.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
They get their own flag.
What the?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
fuck, They take flag and fly you, but get it off of
my fucking flag.
Yeah, it's their flag too, Adam.
That's my point.
is the pride flag in their flag?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Just like, if you look at all the queer flags.
There's like a bear flag, orthere's like a hundred different
flags?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, then don't fly your flag.
What thing does?
And, by the way, okay, but canwe have one more flag?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I can actually tell you.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I marched in the LA Pride parade with the bears and
they're very proud of their flagand I think it's actually very
cool And I do think everycommunity can have their own
flag.
I think it's fine.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I applaud that.
Yeah, but for God's sakes, theoriginal, leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
But that's my point is, i don't think people realize
what the original means.
I think every single personthat has come to me with this
thing of the progressive flagand the intersex flag, all these
different flags, i think thatthey failed to realize what the
original flag means And theyjust laughed at understanding.
And I would like people toresearch it and think about it

(29:32):
for a second.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I'll let you know in my slides about this.
I did not leave that out, soit's definitely still gives the
original and the meaning of eachof those colors.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I just feel like today, millennials, and I'm
going to It's.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Jen Z.
Sorry, Jen Z.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I feel like Jen Z's are like if you don't see me
here, me, then I'm going to makeyou and it drives me crazy.
Do something substantial to putyourself out there.
Don't shove it in people'sfaces, don't scream at the top
of your lungs even though I do,but make yourself seen in

(30:13):
different ways.
Don't make somebody, forcesomebody to try to make you like
or make them like you, becauseit's going to make them hate you
20 times more.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I just don't get it.
There's just a lot of talk likeno substance are doing Or
action Yeah.
It's like talking to be seenand be a part of act like
they're like trying to be theinfluencer or whatever, but
don't actually have their ownunique thing to add to the
conversation.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So I'm going to go into this.
This is a really touchy subject.
So, with Bud Light, bud Light'sfacing a bad lot of backlash
right now.
Jen.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes Is it moving.
This is so much fun.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Where is it?
It's honest, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
The thing is right now is the whole Bud Light thing
with Dylan Mulvaney.
There's a lot of people who arereally upset about this And
I've talked to a lot of straightpeople about it, about why
they're upset and what's goingon through their heads.
They're not upset about itbeing a transgender person.
They're not upset about thetransgender person having a face
on the beer can.

(31:18):
What they're upset about isthis transgender boy right, who
transgender girl who is on thisbeer can is actually, if you
ever watch like the TikToks isalmost perpetuating that.

(31:41):
She's a 16 year old girl and isbouncing around and acting like
she likes these young boys anddoing all this stuff.
If I was Bud Light, i would haveflipped it and I would have put
I don't know Kris Jenner onthere.
Not Kris Jenner, what's hisname?
Katelyn Jenner.
Katelyn Jenner Shit, fuck thatup.

(32:03):
Like Katelyn Jenner, somebodywho actually embraced it, went
through it and it's more of afront face of transgender.
There is a lot of class to her.
I would agree with you.
It's not this punch, not punchand face, but it's like it was

(32:25):
for women.
It's degrading.
Women are women, men are menand then you have transgender.
That's a whole, anotherseparate thing.
You can even go into the wholeOlympics thing, which is a big
controversy right now.
I think that there should bemen, women and transgender.
Break it off into three,because if you put a transgender

(32:46):
female who was born a male, iheard that proposition.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, I haven't heard that proposition.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
What do you mean?
I've never heard of thatproposition.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
It started here.
when it happens, this is theorigin.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So what I'm thinking about is let's really talk about
this.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Say that Michael Phillips really wanted to be a
transgender female right Goesthrough the whole process and
everything.
Do you honestly think he wouldbe fair to put him in a pool
next to eight female?
No, absolutely not So that's theargument.
But for transgender iftransgender are sitting there

(33:26):
and they're screaming about it,we want to be with the female.
You don't hear the girlstransgendering to the males
going.
Where do you want to be putwith the males, Because they
know they're going to get theirass kicked.
Am I wrong, or am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
So shut up, you want to disagree with that, but
that's my frustration with allof this.
If you're going to do something, do it one with class and two
just like us.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
We're so class.
Well, anyway, what's number two?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
But two, the right to do it and be there.
And I'm not saying thattransgender don't have a right,
but for God's sakes, you don'thave to make people love you.
Caitlyn Jenner, everybody stillloves her.
No, you don't think so.
No, no, a lot of people thatlike her.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
No, i actually do.
I think that was probably veryhard to do.
I'm going to just be honest tobe that in the spotlight, to be
that loved by that many peopleand to come out, i think was a
big deal.
So I'm going to give her propson that one.
I don't understand the visceralhate against Caitlyn Jenner And
I think it's just because she'slike a Republican, which I think

(34:37):
is.
I don't agree with that.
Like I said, like I havefriends from all spectrums And
so I think it's just ridiculousto just be upset over that And I
think she's done a lot ofthings right.
But my issue with Dylan, idon't know, i just don't know.
I actually just don't know whatto think because I've heard so
many different sides and it's, ifeel, like you know what, good

(34:58):
for her collecting that coin.
I'll put it that way, becausewhat I think is going on and
what I would do if I were hertoo, I would be collecting that
coin as fast as I could andmaking all that money and then
go retire And just retire,because I think that's what
she's doing.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Do you think it's a money thing?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's a smart move.
It is, i think she literallytakes every single deal she can
get.
I would do the same damn thingIf I got 12 million followers
like that.
I would literally be like I'mprobably not going to do this
forever.
Take the deals, do the thingand do it.
But I don't necessarily believethat she's an activist for the
community.

(35:38):
I just don't see that, like Ihaven't seen that yet.
I just I don't know, becauseI've seen some of the older
videos I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I think that's my biggest, that's my biggest
frustration is, i think, for alot of people who are
transgender, it's a very bigslap in the face to them,
because it's people who don'ttake it lightly and that are
actually going through thetransitioning and want to be a
female, which, look, i applaudIf you have to go through that
and that's your journey.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Coming out as gay was hard enough.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
But to have to come out and then not only come out
and say I feel that I reside asa woman all day long, i will
applaud you, but to sit thereand almost mock it I had.
that's a tough pill for me toswallow, because I feel like she
is mocking transgender girlsand it's sickening to me.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think my hope is that it's not true.
I hope that she's genuine.
I wouldn't say there's a lot ofquestions.
I think a lot of people haveraised a lot of questions and I
think they're valid, but wecan't know someone's true intent
.
I will say this too I thinkthat we've also gotten so woke
that we just make it wherever.

(36:53):
we tell kids that they can justbe whatever they want.
It took me until I was 21 todecide I was gay.
I didn't have anyone in my eartelling me it.
I came to my own decision.
I didn't know a lot of gaypeople Maybe that's part of it,
but I'm actually grateful forthat.
I was with women and I knowpeople can't believe that to

(37:13):
this day, but it was true.
But you know what It was ajourney and I came to my own
decision and nobody forced it onme.
I don't believe in forcing iton kids in the least.
I think that's.
My biggest concern today isthat there's this obsession with
teachers being able to teach it, and I'm completely against it.

(37:34):
We had the what was the thingwith what don't say gay bill,
which I was like.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
A lot of those bills you have to really actually read
into.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I know I read it and I read everything.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
And that's where, like I, get very frustrated with
the work community because theyread the topic and they don't
actually read into it.
If you read into the whole dragqueen thing, with drags not
being able to drag queen beingdrag queens, it's not that it's
underage children.
I think with a lot of it is.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I don't want.
First of all, i don't want anykids at my drag shows that I go
to.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Because the drag shows Number one.
I'm a drunk mess.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Number two I've got a filthy mouth.
My friends with kids.
I keep telling them please stopputting me on speakerphone in
that car because you know that Ican't, i don't have kids.
I just can't hold it back.
Uncle Blaine is going to dropan F-Bop.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
You're wearing them, you're wearing them.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know they keep doing it And I think that this
is a big frustration with a lotof the world is we're not coming
after, and I say we, oh my God,but they're not coming after
drag queens.
They're not coming after dragqueens for doing drag.
They don't want drag queensdoing it at a six year old's

(38:48):
birthday party And you have afriend or an ex-friend who I
feel like, my, sorry, my like.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I don't know, did the sound change for you or?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
No.
It's just my ears, it's justshit going through your head
right now about where I'm gonnago at this.
Okay, but you have a friend oran ex-friend that did something
like this.
Am I Something like whatPerformed in front of younger?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
kids.
The news attention on thatwasn't the friend that you're
thinking of.
That was his.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Somebody I dated.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
So, Someone you dated .

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Uh-huh Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
You dated this person ?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, but the bad thing is like he didn't ever do
drag before.
That Like a lot, and then hegot put on natural music.
I felt really bad about it, butthen you saw one of the very
first shows, right?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Wasn't Plastic.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Bad, yeah, plastic Bad.
And then we were like this isamazing, it's hilarious, it's
fun, it was comical.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I could say that was like kid-friendly, like it was
just plastic bad, like that alsowasn't scandalous.
It wasn't scandalous, it was ashow, and then it always was
these funny things.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Remember the Titanic, when, where?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
he Titanic.
He did this.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Titanic, the Titanic song, and then he had these
little Legos.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
He would toss Legos out.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
That was like all the different nationalities from
like the people that died on theTitanic And he would like put
it on your table and it was likereally hysterical And I'm like
And interactive.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
So good All of them were so good.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
And then he happened to have a number that was just a
little raunchier, with apussycat on his Yeah.
And it took it too far.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
It took it too far.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
But what happened and this is what I said is I think
the moms were wrong.
And first of all, it waslabeled as an adults only
situation And the moms broughttheir daughters to this drag
show And I'm like, first of all,what freaking mom is bringing
their daughter to the drag show.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Which I will agree with Mom, and then, who let them
in if it's an Yes, like ETN, or?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
And why did the restaurant, not say Let's say
let's give the moms a pass andsay the moms do know.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I wouldn't give the moms a pass.
They're not getting a pass.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
First of all, I know what they're up in Frisco.
Okay Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
They want to be the cool moms in the You're cool
Frisco breeders.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
They're gonna be the work moms.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Bitches, okay, and they like The cool moms at the
bottom.
They're getting drunk withmimosas.
Probably drove their kids homebecause they're irresponsible
bitches.
Seriously they are, they'reprobably.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I know those women.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
The breeders up in Frisco.
Okay, if you don't know Frisco,texas, you know what I'm
talking about.
And they were like I don't evenknow the drag show.
I'm like I have a wife I'mwasted with our little girls And
then they do a raunchy numberwhich is drag Hello, And then
somebody recorded it, It gets toFox News And then it turns into
this whole thing And I did feelreally bad for him.
However, I will say is I alsodon't believe in doubling down

(41:25):
on it, because what I would havedone if it were me in that
situation and I had a numberprepared, I would have gone and
done plastic bag.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, or paper bag or something, and just not done
that number.
You have several, i kind ofknow.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I just wouldn't have done a number, but like I get it
Like it's like well, i kind of.
And so just because, I happento know the person.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I find this person a very nice person and also not
somebody who does drag, and letme say that I'm not saying that
they're not a nice person.
I think it was a stupid placeat a stupid time And I think a
lot of the things, there were alot of things.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I blame the moms number one And I think what
pissed me off about themainstream media on this one is
they did not blame the momsnumber one and they should have
blamed them off and mom's numberone.
And then I do think theperformer should have just not
done the number.
And then I get why they're hurtand they double down on it.
But I'm just like, i just think, like it's just a bad situation

(42:21):
all around.
But at the end of the day, thenI see other videos of parents
with like kids and drag queensand I'm like why are the drag
queens performing for the kids?
I just don't understand thisshit.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And that's where I think that goes into, where I
don't think that young kids needto be.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I think that's in front of this, because what drag
show have you been to?
that has been cool commoncollective, no cussing and very
PG None.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, none of them.
That's not Yeah, that's notwhat it is.
Even if it's not like pussy inyour face, it's still vulgar
language.
It's out there.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It is a super drag Yet again like bachelors at
center clubs.
It's like kids that are dragshows.
I'm just sorry, i'm against itAnd I think we are allowed to
say that And I don't think thatmakes us like cancelable.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I love drag shows.
I'll be the first person tohave one for my birthday party
and I absolutely fucking lovedit.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
We love our occasion and small doses.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
We love our drag queens.
First of all, you are.
You have been the mostsupportive of the drag show.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Well, I try to be very supportive of that certain
friend.
Yes, you don't like drag shows?
No, it's okay, i go.
I don't I hate when they gonefor three hours, but that's
because I'm antsy and I can'tstand being in the one spot.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
How about that one girl, even crazy girl, that did
the soaking wet number?
That was okay, yeah, which youjust like water ball We?

Speaker 3 (43:44):
know the timeframe on that show right Like it's an
hour and a half to ours max.
We can move around that one'sbouncy So.
But there's some that I feellike they go on and on, and
nothing against that, But for meI just have a hard time sitting
and dealing with that one placefor so long.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yes, I do want to put out this.
I do want to say this like Iabsolutely love drag queens, but
I think that there's a time anda place for it, and I think in
that situation, that was a badchoice on a lot of people, and
this is how mothers are thefirst to blame on that.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, i agree, and I've got to say and this is
where I also like, when I seethis on tiktok and I see these
teachers go, i can't talk aboutmy, my, this is one of my
favorite ones too But, like whenit's like I can't talk about
what my husband and I did andthat I'm gay to my second grade
class.
Oh my favorite.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, somebody said to me I literally was like
thinking to myself.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
somebody said to me once and I was so true, i didn't
even know my second gradeteacher's first name- much less
like.
Mrs Han.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Did you know any of your teachers first names?
Nope, i only knew their lastname.
You are allowed to.
This is whatever, mr Whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
And I didn't know anything, and they never talked
about their personal life.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
No, ever, much less when they were married or
anything.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I didn't even know what they did on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
It's like they didn't have a life.
But what about?
okay, what about?
it's not that they're trying tosay.
Today's topic is my personallife and who I'm married to.
If they have a photo on theirdesk of their.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I think that's a whole different thing.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
That is totally fine Because of the fasto to ask oh,
who's that Are they?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Good, That's how it is.
I know I'm asking like so isthat not?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
allowed No that's fine, so it's just don't make it
in, like Don't make it, don'tmake it a whole lesson about gay
people because they don't talkabout.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
They don't talk about anything about sex ed.
Until you get in seventh grade.
I think seventh grade.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
So it was a mean girls.
So, oh my God, mean girls.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But the here's.
the thing is like you shouldnot be having that conversation
with people in elementaryschools.
They're still developing theirbody and they're still
developing their like routinethrough the world And I also
think that somebody who has togo through that and actually
come out gives your shoulderback.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
But I gotta say the reason I believe this way is
because this is my experiencetoo.
Made my own decision and I go.
I figured out what we got here.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
No, I just I guess another side of it because I'm
going to be the one on this sideof the chair, But like we
talked about left in the wall.
No, like I didn't even ever seemyself on this side.
I don't know.
I just feel like, though, likefrom the earliest age do we talk
about?
like heterosexual, like instraight world, and that cult,

(46:30):
like that's norm.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Were you ever?
no, were you ever in school?
Were they like?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
but what if you want to have some visibility to like
the other, if you're growing upas a gay kid and you just it's
not like hiding it, but likeit's okay to bring up, Like
what's there?
So I show that that's okay, orthat's an option, but if you're
always forcing being straightfrom being five years old, then
So my step niece.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Right, she knows that I like boys, but she's never
had a class of what is the gayworld and what is the gay life.
It's just that she knows thatUncle Adam likes boys and she
knows you now, so it's personal.
But that's fine.
But the thing is like, whyshould somebody teach their

(47:18):
child in when they're still notknowing?
they don't even know how tocount from four plus four or
divide.
Let them live their life andjust focus on school and focus
on the topics.
If you want to worry about,once you're past puberty,
getting into sex ed, then that'sa whole different subject.
When they're starting todevelop, go deal with it then,

(47:39):
but just let the kids be kidsand let them just run their
lives.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
No, i agree with that And I like that.
What you said like she knowsyou like Uncle Adam, because now
you know that you're safe to bevisibly like out as a gay man
and like they can know that now.
So, like when family makesthose personal connections, i
mean that right there is alreadythe education I'm not like
speaking to changing actual likecurriculum and courses, but if

(48:08):
she's able to, like you, feelsafe and comfortable to be
yourself around family, thatright there is already the
difference between family.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, that's within your family unit and that's
where it should stay.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
So, and so we'll take this a little further.
I would never go in front of afamily.
So say that my partner and Iwent in front of my partner's
friends that are all straight.
I would never make out with himin front of them because one
you don't know the That's awhole different subject.

(48:44):
I never do that, because one,even if I was, we were at a bar.
Let's turn this way.
We were.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
I don't know, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I'm saying it was like Totally but turn it this
way and nothing against you guysdoing it, like Congratulations,
we're doing it.
But if it was you and a female,i turn around and be like my
god, go get a fucking room, yeahwould you not?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, i probably did a little too much.
I'd say yes, so my thing goesback to me, but you didn't see
it and you're six foot four.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
You didn't see a shit .
I didn't see it.
I'm five, six.
I just felt it's not like we'reI don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
It's just like crazy bar environment, like it wasn't
like at church or someone'shouse.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I'm a classy lady.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Do we want to talk about what you did.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
We'll talk about that , Yeah so many episodes, Yeah
but yeah, i Yeah it's a toughone, i will say this is a tough
one.
I just think like parentsshould be the parents and at the
end of the day, and then I willsay the only problem becomes is

(50:00):
when you don't have goodparents or don't have a family
unit, and I will say it's atough one for me, but I It's
like I said, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
my parents didn't support this I learned it on my
own.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
So I feel like I didn't believe parents that like
Help me but like my journey,but everybody has something
different.
I just think It shouldn't besomething in a curriculum or
shouldn't be the government oranything like that.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I don't think the government should get involved
at.
Already had the government inour bedrooms for so many years?
I definitely think that's aslippery, so I don't give a shit
if you're goddamn possible.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
We've been a whole administration talking about
handmade sale.
That's handmade sale to me.
Get the fuck out of my bedroomand Stay out of it for sure.
And I also think that goes withtelling kids what they need to
do, and someday I hope to havechildren.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
want kids, they could be a good dad.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I'd be very assertive , dad.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, I think you could see being a good dad.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
I would God the episode might all be actual
daddies You want to be a dad,right I?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
don't want to be called daddy.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
No, but you're already almost Daddy, i.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Thinked that I would be my father's very strict on us
kids when we were younger.
I think I'd be a very strictfather, but a very and I'd be.
I'm not my father.
My father was a very lovingfather and his hands were
fucking solid when we did wrong,But when we were good he had
loving arms for us and it was itwas good.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
I mean it was.
That's not allowed in today'sbook.
I think I Take us right now.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I Was a kid so bad that my mother Well, my mother
had a spoon and us me and mysister went and buried it in the
back yard So she couldn't hitus with my mother, pulled the

(52:02):
belt on me one and I grabbed itfrom her.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
She waited too long.
I was so big by the time she,like, finally pulled a belt by.
I grabbed it from her and pullever had that.
You can't do that which is areally great segue into next
week's episode, which is allabout friends, family and also
chosen family, and also theshade that comes with all of it.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Lord knows.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
We love and don't know that much, and the people
we choose and the people we kickout.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Have a nice forget Seasons of people with a coming
out, coming Yeah, like my motheralways says friends for a
reason, friends for a season.
Yeah, yeah, you told me thatone recently.
Yeah, I did.
I did tell you that recently.
Yeah, we're talking about that.
I'm under a good reminder.
Good stories for that one forsure God.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
So next time on coffee with gang.
So every sip of the story Thatwas fun.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Now we need to get test one glasses and custom
coffee.
Oh, there's Frisco.
Moms are gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Oh my god, I can't wait for the first get ready for
the cancellation.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Canceled by Frisco.
That would be amazing for us.
They're gonna be up there.
We can party with a coffee withguys Secretly, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
We'll be at Evan Bo.
Oh oh god, okay, you finishedthe chair done.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Definitely don't edit that You know, are you?

Speaker 3 (53:49):
finally still Thank you.