December 6, 2023 • 45 mins
Dive into a candid conversation with Adam, Blaine, and Ryan as they explore the intersection of faith and gay life. From Southern Baptist roots to Catholic conundrums, they're not holding back on their personal journeys and the challenges they've faced. 🤠🙏
Get the real scoop on Jesse Duplantis and Kenneth Copeland's extravagant lifestyles, and find out why Prestonwood Baptist Church's Christmas show stands out from the mega-church crowd. The guys share their unfiltered experiences with LGBT acceptance in churches, blending heartfelt stories with their signature sass. 🛩️🏳️🌈
Join us for an episode that's as thought-provoking as it is entertaining, filled with honest reflections, a bit of shade, and that's as fabulous as it is faithful. 🎉💬
🎙️ [00:00] Introduction: The episode opens with the hosts introducing the topic of church and religion, emphasizing an intellectual discussion about their experiences and views.
🌈 [02:00] Backgrounds in Religion:
- Ryan shares his upbringing in non-denominational Christianity with Southern Baptist influences, highlighting his involvement in youth group activities.
- Adam, identifying as more conservative, discusses his Catholic background and current non-religious stance.
- Blaine talks about his journey through various Christian denominations, including Southern Baptist and Nazarene, and his involvement in more radical churches.
🤔 [12:00] Prestonwood Baptist Church: The hosts express their admiration for Prestonwood Baptist Church's Christmas show, noting its community focus and contrasting it with other mega-churches.
✈️ [26:00] Jesse Duplantis & Kenneth Copeland: The conversation shifts to Jesse Duplantis and Kenneth Copeland, with a critical discussion on their extravagant lifestyles, including their private jet purchases. The hosts discuss the issue of financial exploitation in some churches.
🏳️🌈 [22:00] LGBT Acceptance in Churches: The hosts share personal experiences of acceptance and rejection in various churches, highlighting the progress and challenges within religious communities.
🤝 [30:00] Respect and Understanding in Religion: The hosts emphasize the importance of respect and understanding in religious discussions.
👬 [34:00] Being LGBT and Christian: Ryan shares his journey of reconciling his queer identity with his Christian faith.
👂 [38:00] Listening and Compassion in Faith Communities: The hosts reflect on the power of listening and showing compassion within faith communities.
👋 [42:00] Closing Remarks: The episode concludes with a light-hearted conclusion and a teaser for the next episode, emphasizing the importance of being open to different beliefs and perspectives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're gonna be the loud ones.
We're willing to speak out.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm not politically correct.
If you want the truth, I'llgive it to you.
We're gonna start having thiswine.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Maybe we'll just in true colors.
Welcome to another episode ofCoffee with Gays.
I'm Ryan, hi, I'm Adam and I'mBlaine All right, everybody.
And we have a really as always,of course an exciting topic
today.
Blaine, where are we going togo today?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, it's gonna be done by song.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, I'm gonna give you my Today about church and
(01:04):
religion.
If I can get the sound to stopthat's one of the topics that
they say never bring up Politicsand religion.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What do we bring up?
Politics and religion?
I don't know, well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So I think a great way to start this off for an
intro is each of our backgroundswith religion, a short little
like what our backgrounds arethrough religion, and I do want
to also preface this OK, this isnot going to be that we hate
religion one, or that we hateany certain religion, or that we
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hate the Christian church, oranything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think it should be an intellectual discussion about
our experiences, which I thinkare vast interviews or
perspective of what we believein, how we believe, what like
what we think of.
If you believe in it from Ibelieve it Believe what you have
to believe.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, like this is we're here to.
Obviously, this is a three ofus talking, but it's a
conversation and if you don'twant to listen to it, don't
listen to it.
If you do listen, commentwhatever.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Religion is a very personal topic, and I think it
also is a topic that evolves asyou grow and learn, and I think
that's the point of thediscussion.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I agree, and as somebody has the most open
minded person here, I would loveto hear everybody's aspects of
this.
So it's great to hear.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Wow, you're so open minded, adam.
So, ryan, let's start with you.
What's your like kind ofreligious background in a
nutshell, so?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
in a nutshell I'd say my I would say strong influence
from my mom.
So she grew up Southern Baptistbut then when she was raising
me, it was more of thenon-denominational Christian.
So she and she's all about themusic and that experience.
Wants to have a good sermon butwe would always find like hands
up, she'll do, like the handsup music base.
She wants to feel like she'sgoing to that.
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Take me to church, going to aconcert.
She said if it could just bethat modern music, rock concert,
like to feel the faith, feelGod.
That was.
But yeah, I grew upnon-denominational Christian but
also did like.
My grandma was at the SouthernBaptist Church.
So I did like the spring breaktrips going to get snowboarding,
youth group trips rock theuniverse, if anyone's familiar
(03:16):
with that.
So you were in the super youthgroup, be youth group Christian.
Like it's hip, fun, cool,promise rings.
I feel like we're people didthis.
Yeah, we're lying K Anyone thatlove.
Oh, my gosh, we're lying Kswitch.
But Toby Mack, gillette, that'sthe jam.
Like you listen to your.
You know that's.
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Yeah, you're in that culture.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So that was how it, yeah, how it started.
That's your kind of background,okay.
So, adam, I know that you'reremember we decided to talk
about this without talking aboutthis before, because we wanted
your shocking talk, so you areactually the exact opposite of
this situation.
I'm Catholic.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And I said of recovering or currently Catholic
.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I've never heard of recovering.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I usually, when I meet Catholics these days I feel
like a lot of them.
They say recovering Catholic.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This is and this is actually probably a little head
turner for as quote unquote onmy politics that I'm
conservative or on theconservative side, I'm really
not religious at all.
Like I was baptized as Catholic, I went and had my communion.
I didn't have my confirmation.
My confirmation Didn't do theconfirmation.
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I baked the bread.
After I baked the bread I waslike peace out.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Have you ever done a confession?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
in a booth.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
This is the we're still talking about, like church
kind of confession.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, when you go confess your sins to the priest.
I think that is confirmationCorrect.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So no, and the way that I've interpreted us
Catholics and for anybody that'sCatholic, please comment in
below but we are the ones who goto church on Sundays.
We drink Monday, tuesday,wednesday, thursday, friday,
saturday, get shit-faced sin,and then we come back and we
confess our sins on Sunday.
That's the way that I.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think you're a lax Catholic, but okay, I feel like
it'll be a stereotype.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I mean, that's even beyond Catholics, I feel like,
but especially Catholics, I feellike.
That's a stereotype that Ithink of.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And I will own that stereotype day in, day out.
But the last time that I'vebeen to church was a wedding two
years ago.
I don't go to church.
That much Did you grow up goingto church.
Every Sunday my mother tooksome mass and like all that,
until probably it was like 14 or15.
And then that kind of faded out.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And when it when is mass?
Is that that's a certain Sundaymorning, or do you do morning?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It wasn't our upbringing where we had to go
morning.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, wednesday church and yeah, oh you went
for church in the Sunday morning, you got your groceries and you
lived your life the rest of theweek.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Well, cindy was ready to get to the beach after
church service Sunday, so we'dgo to church the early service,
so we could book it to the beachand have a bloody marriage.
Did you do the night servicesas well?
Not on, so there was ever aSunday night service, but
sometimes there might be, likethe youth group, like a
Wednesday night, like thing orsomething.
So then I will go.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So that's basically your upbringing.
What?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
is your it's?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
fascinating.
I grew up my my parents reallyjust picked a church for the
people that were there.
So I've been Southern BaptistNazarene.
They really loved the Nazarenechurch.
It wasn't a radical Nazarenechurch Is that the Holy rollers?
Some are, but do you actuallyroll on the floor?
Not a Nazarene's, but funnystory.
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I became more radical than myown parents so my parents stayed
at the Nazarene church when Iwas in high school and then I
went to an assembly of Godchurch, which is a church that,
if you don't know, speaks intongues, where essentially the
Holy Spirit speaks through youand people with randomly during
church services start going toHala.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It just it comes over you.
It comes over you, that'scorrect.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What are you talking about?
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
People truly believe that the Holy Spirit takes them
over and that there's aspiritual message for the
congregation that needs to beinterpreted.
There's a whole thing around it.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You said you were open minded, adam.
Open minded, adam.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right, I am a very but my mind's at night when I
get gassy.
That's when the Holy Spirittakes me over.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I literally was probably more on that spectrum
than my parents, and my parentscontinue going to Nazarene
church and I went to an assemblyof God church.
That's where I met my firstreally good girlfriend and I
went to youth group.
I was like the head of youthgroup.
I organized youth group dinnersafter youth group night on
Wednesday.
So basically we go to Sundaymorning service, I go to Sunday
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night service and then I hadWednesday youth group.
I would do mission trips toMexico, which I actually will
post in the YouTube video.
Subscribe on YouTube for allthese fun things.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Of course you did, Penelope.
Here we go again.
We want to talk about.
We want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's why you did they encourage mission trips.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I just found pictures of my mission trips and it was.
They're really funny pictures.
I'll do a little quick slideshow of them.
But it's sad because they werereally improvered border towns
and I don't know if what I wasdoing was right, like looking
back on it, because I feel likeI was bringing the message of
Jesus, but I feel like there wasjust so much that needed to be
done.
Like now that I really lookfrom a geopolitical standpoint,
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I'm like those poor kids who hadbeen, who gone through so much
and I, when I say gone throughso much, kids have been molested
and sex trafficked and I justdidn't know any of that back
then.
That was by my people.
Your people came in into that,going back all the way to the
Catholic inquisitions, catholicdemolition.
That's my people.
Adam, you have a very strongview of your perception of
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church and what is that today?
What is everyone's perceptionof church today?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
If you want to believe whatever belief that you
want to believe Hannah's in themost heartwarming way you can
believe whatever you want.
Do I believe that, after Ileave this earth, that I'm going
to another world?
I do not.
I do not.
I think that once you're dead,I believe that Jesus, mary, all
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of that was actual people.
I do believe that there was abook, which is called the Bible,
written about that.
I do believe that, but I dobelieve that the way of the
Bible is to keep people in check, to stay in line with being in
good faith of humanity and tokeep you on the right path to be
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a good person.
I 100% believe that.
But do I believe that there'san afterlife?
Absolutely not.
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I believe there's an afterlife.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I hope.
I absolutely understand.
I hope there's an afterlife.
I hope that I can get throughthis.
If I lived so 80, 80 years ofhell on this earth for nothing
Like I really hope that there'san afterlife and I'm gonna sit
here and say I don't need tobelieve in God and Jesus and all
that to make me a good person.
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I'm doing it out of thegoodness of my heart to be a
good person and I wanna be thebest person that I'm going to be
.
But I also refrain back on thisthat I feel like this is almost
like Santa Claus.
Okay, now just wrap your headaround this.
That Santa Claus is for thekids, to keep the good kids in
check.
There was a guy that was in thename of Mr Claus that went
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around and gave the kids gifts.
That did happen.
But I believe that this is ingood check to keep the later
people in the older years whodon't know that there's not a
Santa Claus, to keep them ingood check.
I really do.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I have to say and I'll try to tie your Catholic
background into, probably likeboth Ryan's in my experience and
Ryan, I wanna get your thoughtson this when I went to Papadine
University, which is a Churchof Christ school, the Church of
Christ is, they're not overlyradical.
I think they're very likemiddle of the road, but they are
very stringent, so to speak.
(11:03):
So the interesting thing I hadto take these classes.
You had to take three religionclasses and it was a New
Testament, old Testament andReligions of the World.
And when I took the OldTestament and New Testament
courses, I did not realize thatthe Bible and I had been in, I
got into Christian privateschool, I had my whole life and
(11:27):
I had always been in church Idid not realize that the Bible
was canonized by the CatholicChurch.
I did not know that either.
Yeah, so the way the Bible wasactually created Shocker Is,
essentially there were all thesescrolls and these texts that
were found from back when Christwas around and they essentially
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the Catholic Church took all ofthese scrolls and texts and
they looked through them andthey said does this make sense?
And I don't wanna oversimplifyit for everybody If you wanna
comment and tell me I'm wrong.
Please do Always welcome that,always welcome comments.
But they essentially took allthese texts and they said what
makes sense?
And then they essentiallycreated the Bible and the New
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Testament and they said, okay,all this makes sense together.
And there were outliers and, forexample, I remember one in
particular from one of myclasses where Jesus was a kid
and he was making little claydoves in a riverbed and some
other child came up and stompedhis plate birds and Jesus got
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mad and struck the child dead.
And Struck the child.
What Dead Dead.
Jesus did that.
Yeah, jesus did it as a child.
It's not in the Bible Becausewhen they were canonizing the
Bible and creating the Bible, itdid not make sense for Jesus as
a character or as a person todo so, because he is a God of
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love and would not do that.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Oh, why did you smash my dove?
It's okay, let's talk aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But the question is and much like in social media
and the stuff that we talk aboutis was that story even real or
did someone just make it up?
And that's what the CatholicChurch was trying to do without
a ton of research?
They had all these texts andthey had to make, they had to
pick the source, or they triedto do the best they could to
come up with the true story ofJesus.
Is it the true story?
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We'll never know.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Nobody will ever know .
Nobody.
There's nobody on this earththat can sit here and say
there's an afterlife, that thisis the way it is, it's all.
And that's the way you go back.
And I say you believe in whatyou believe.
If you want to believe there'san afterlife, agree.
Our friend Ronald thinks thatthis is our hell and that we go
to an afterlife.
I would love for that.
Take me now, then.
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As long as there's tractors onthe street, I'm good.
Take me now, but so, ryan, whatis?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
how does that?
How does canonization hit you?
Does that shock?
Are you shocked by that?
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
about it.
I didn't know about that one.
I felt like there's a lot ofthoughts in my head through the
years of experience.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Does mama sende know that's how the Bible was like
actually created.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm not going to speak for her, but I think we
could say in my opinion, I feellike, yeah, it's man, like
humans, right coming togetherand trying to organize, make
sense and form all these thingsthat get, and I think that's
probably what shaped, or likethe Catholic church, trying to
shape and rule and createwhatever order that the people
that were in that authoritywanted to create and that's
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passed down over time.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And my argument on this is somebody had to do it at
some point and I do think whatcame out of it and I think to
your point, adam is it's a bookthat really does exemplify being
good to other people For themost part.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Mind your own shit.
Be nice to people, berespectful, be kind, just like
those good tenants Like thatcarries through in many
religions.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
If I had to boil down the New Testament, I would say
it is, don't hurt anybody elseand just be a good person.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So the world is saying basically this if you and
that's where I think that theBible and all of that gives you
the guidelines to be a goodhuman.
But what's sad about that is isI think that a lot of people
can't be a good human withoutkeeping their mind on the Bible,
which is horrific to me.
Just be a good person, be agood human being.
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But if any of you called me orwhatever, I need help or even a
slight shit.
I need an ear.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I'd be there for you too.
I did drive your wrecked carhome at night.
It was really scary.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We ain't talking about that right now, but the
best phrase is do to others asyou would want done to you.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I've also heard.
But what is the modificationthat like do unto others as they
would want to be?
Like treat others how theywould want to be treated.
Right, because what if theydon't want to be treated the way
that you?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
want to be treated yourself.
Okay, so let me take in, forinstance.
I was at a store the othernight and two guys were
struggling to get this big boxin a car.
Right, I could have the optionto walk past them or I could
have the option to help them.
So I walked over to help them,as they're struggling through
their life to get this in, toput it in their cars, and it
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took five seconds for me to helpthem, save them probably a lot
of strength and a lot of stress.
Got it in their car.
They're done and over with.
I move on with my life, don'tthink about it.
I'm in and right now.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
More people need to do those acts of kindness.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
All of your Gen Z's.
There's other people that livehere in this earth other than
you.
Be good and be nice.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Ironically, I feel like a lot of Gen Z has grown up
in the church as well and theyare reacting against it.
And I can see why because Ithink the church, and I think
one of the things that youbrought up Adam, as like one of
the reasons you dislike thechurch.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
and this is where I want to say that I don't dislike
the church.
I think the church and all is agood thing and I think you need
to believe in what you believe.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
When we say church, I feel like we're really focused
on just Christianity.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, let's try to like because that's our
experience as Catholic andChristianity.
Let's just try to focus on onereligion right now.
But I do think when we do talkabout the church, we should say
the church as an institution andour churches traditional
churches run by pastors that wego to versus religion and
spirituality, which is what Ireally more identify with now.
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I think those are two verydifferent.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So let me get back to what Ryan was just saying.
Do you think and I may be justignorant with this, but are
there religions that don't havechurch?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, I'm just thinking about different terms,
if it's like a temple or amosque or in different.
So if there's anything, becauseI've also dated someone yeah, I
guess it was more I think I'dgo to a temple and I think I had
some experiences that kind ofmade me start to think broader
than like a Christian faith only.
And then I've worked at auniversity where I first learned
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about like the interfaithchapel.
So I think that's later on postthe kind of Christianity
upbringing, just kind ofexposure to seeing how do these
different, how can we differentreligious backgrounds, but still
interact, respect each otherand still have our own beliefs?
So I just want to know, likewhen we're saying church or our
focus, we're focusing on mainlyour Christian upbringing that
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the three of us have had.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
So that's where my ignorant comes from, because I
would say the temple and allthat like that would still be
classified as church to me.
Like to me, that's still yourarea of worship, wherever it is,
that's classified to me, Idon't care.
If you want to do it in yourhome, that's your church, that's
your area of worship.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You have your religion, which is in this room,
we have Christianity and thenyou have your church, which is
your people and the people whogovern that church, which is
your religious leaders over thechurch, and I think most
religions have that structure.
So hence, like our experienceis all Christianity, and I feel
like I'm most the best one I canspeak on is Christianity and
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some Catholicism.
I worshiped with the Catholicsquite a bit, even though that is
Christianity as well, but it'sCatholic.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Christian.
Part of the reason, just when Isay non-denominational
Christian is because when I wasgrowing up, my mom didn't want
it to be like Catholic,christian or Lutheran or any
sect of Christianity within that.
It was more of a let's just getto the root, like how we grew
up was the root is arelationship with Jesus, and the
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church can be like hey, I'mlike I remember thinking of like
prayer wasn't like I have to goto a physical building to pray
or talk to God or Jesus.
It's just so I can close myeyes right here and have a
little moment and say, hey,what's up, what's up God?
And here's what's going on.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's how I was taught which is good because I'm
going to be on line with you.
Like, as much as I don't wantto sit there and say there's an
afterlife, I still sit there andI'm like, god, help me, let's
get through this together andsomehow help me.
And even with what I wentthrough yesterday, because one
of my employees and I had aconversation about this, because
he's very religious, he's fromMexico and he was telling me
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about, like, how they they prayand like they worship and all of
that which is interesting to me.
So I sat there and had a wholelike feast of just information.
But, like, even yesterday, Iwas like, dear God, if you can
hear me, get me through this dayand make things work.
So that's where I sit there andI go.
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Maybe there is something,because there's weird things
that have happened in my lifethat I can't put my name on it.
I don't.
I like I can't understand howthis evolved and how this
happened, and that's why I say Iwill never rule it out, but
I'll never rule it in.
Like I'm very what Miguel, my,my employees said to you you're
very on the fence, you're awishy-washy, you don't know
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which way to go on this and youstill, you actually know which
is going to be the day that youdie.
You'll never know.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Is that true, and we'll never know till the day we
die?
Is there a really good Reliant?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
K song about that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I'm dealing with a lot of family issues now,
like a few people very close todeath and it's like such a
question and, yeah, I guesswe'll know when we know we can
hope for the best.
But, adam, one of the thingsthat you said bugged you about
the church is what I refer to asthe prosperity gospel.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Come again.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I don't know this.
The prosperity gospel.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You said that to you the church really means money
and oh, okay, so I do have avery like heart wrenching
sickness to this, where I feellike this is going to be a
really bad touchy subject onthis, and it's so in my head.
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This is only my own personalbelief is that you can worship
God wherever, like everybodywill tell you.
You can worship wherever,wherever you want to, however
you want to Do.
I think that there has become afinancial gain with it,
absolutely, absolutely.
Where I feel like, where I feellike that people have taken
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religion and they have gone, Ican get a financial gain out of
this and it absolutely makes mesick to my stomach because
they're like oh, what is the?
What is the really big churchhere that's in North Dallas?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Preston, what about to?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
is it where we're going for the Christmas show and
we're going to go for theChristmas show.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, but stop, I'm going to stop you right there.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm going to stop you there because they have gotten
so much hate over the Christmasshow and I want to say it is one
of the most magical experiencesyou've been, we've been, we've
been and I will say this fromnow on it's absolutely
breathtaking what they do, howthey do, and they pour a lot of
money into it and they do a lotwith it.
But I will say their funds arenot hurting by any means.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Their funds are not hurting, but I will tell you
this, I will tell you this andthis is where I disagree with
everybody on fricking TikTokthat does not know this church
and I will go ahead and postsome of the videos of the
drummer boy first and thensecond.
I want to post the the verycool Carol the bells thing that
they do.
That I think, is great.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
This is going to be my third year going.
It was like trying to getTaylor Swift tickets this year.
I was on the phone, I was inthe queue.
Did you get tickets?
Yeah, did you get tickets?
I got tickets.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
How did you get tickets?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Because I'm on the email subscription or whatever,
so I got notified that it'sgoing to be available.
How many tickets is yet?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Six, one, two, three, four, reynolds five.
Did you want to go?
Reynolds five.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You didn't invite, adam, us to become part of the
Ryan.
That's so mean.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You're the last you would win.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
He really loved it we will have front row tickets.
The front row tickets were likehow much were they?
Oh, they're probably not evenavailable now.
No, they're definitely not, butthey were $200.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I was in the queue.
I got it on the earlypre-release day.
No one, you didn't mention iteither.
I just sent it in our littlefun chat.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I knew the little drummer boys from behind the pew
.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
He was a huge controversy over this church
last year.
They've been doing this formany years but I have to say
Prestonwood Baptist Church inDallas does one of the most
amazing Christmas shows.
I will show a few clips of itthat I think are the most
spectacular.
They do a whole non-Christiansection of it which is like
Santa and Santa's sleigh andit's just cute and fun.
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And then they go into theChristmas story with Jesus and
they have live camels and I wasin the front row and basically
that hit in the face by cameltails Great Like camel shit.
And then they have angelsflying and drummer boys coming
down and it is the spectacularproduction.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It is like a Broadway show when they do this.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
They got trolled last year on TikTok.
They did not deserve that.
They actually number one chargefor this production decently.
It is no different to me thansomebody putting on a really
giant Christmas.
Yeah, and by the way, you knowhow much I pay.
For tickets to go to the DallasPops at the Meyers and Symphony
I pay $240.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So this is where I come into this.
If you have an issue with it,don't go to the show.
It's as easy as that.
Don't go to the show, don't Ifyou?
I am not a religious person,but I think it's an amazing show
.
I'm going to pay it.
I want to go see it.
Oh, you do want to go?
Come to it.
Shut up and, by the way, it'sfor the community.
(25:58):
This is why I go back to thepeople in this world If you have
a problem with it, don't go tothe show.
I don't understand why peoplego above and beyond that.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think it's because of other people and I want you
guys to listen to this clip,which will insert into the video
portion too, but it's myfavorite Southerner.
He's not my favorite, heactually makes me grossed out
but Jesse Duplantis, who's beenaround forever and I think again
we can play.
Ok, we're going to play.
My dream has now come to pass.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I've been believing in the long-gotten.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
ladies and gentlemen, I now own a Falcon 7X.
It's mine.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Or if you're going to TikTok, they eating my lunch.
Tiktok, talk your.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
TikTok, I don't care it, don't make a lick of
difference.
While I heard, you have aFalcon 902, yes.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
You got two jets, you got two cars.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You have two cars.
Look at me, I'm talking to youout there.
Do you have two cars?
Why do you have two cars?
Because your wife wants one.
Delta wished they could fly me.
Because when I quit flyingDelta, they lost a ton of money.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I said pastor at his church.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
This is where I have the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
He also has a clip, by the way, that he says he
lives in the largest house inLouisiana, that it is the house
from Gone with the Wind, and hesays he doesn't care and it is
disgusting, his $237 millionaircraft.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So this is where, again, I'm going to go to both
parts of this.
This is where I have a stomachcrunch issue with money in the
church, but you will never seeme.
If that's what he wants to doand that's how he's doing it,
then great.
If he is, hold on.
I don't want to say scammingthe money from those people to
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preach.
Let me turn it back around.
If those people are giving himthat amount of money to be able
to preach, then they need tocheck themselves, because
they're the ones that are makingthe issue of him being able to
afford two jets.
That's an issue.
There's people in this worldthat can't afford one car.
(28:21):
One car more or less a jet Likethat is their problem and
that's their issue.
And that's on them, that's onthe people that are feeding him
money.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's on you, dumb people for doing that, because I
think the argument is is theway our tax laws are worked, is
that basically all the money hegets is tax-free, so he's able
to afford just so many otherthings, and he uses them for
himself.
And, unfortunately, the waythis should work is the
governing body of the churchshould say you know what, jesse
(28:55):
Deplantis, you don't get two $37million jets, one for you and
one for your wife, and you don'tget to have your personal
personage be a $35,000 squarefoot home in Louisiana, and I
think that's the problem.
And then so the people thataren't in the congregation are
the ones that are like ick, thatis gross.
(29:17):
So again, we just have peopletaking advantage.
I will say Preston would BaptistChurch.
I think they do great thingsfor the community, even putting
on this production it's allvolunteer too, by the way like
nobody gets paid for theproduction and other reason why
they're able to offer cheaptickets.
That's how I think a church, amegachurch, should work, not
like this, not with 37.
(29:38):
They don't have a $37 millionfalcon plane.
So I think the problem is,again, we conflate things
together and say, oh,megachurches are bad.
I just think some are bad andsome are good.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And that's why I go back to what I've said or other
podcasts.
You have to look at the singleperson or the single thing, not
as a group or as a whole.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But if that's true and he's really flaunting that
he has two jets in the middle ofa service and they were
applauding that.
And they were applauding it.
That's your dumb people's faultfor doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Because I think he's able to just fly around the
world and preach the gospel, butthey've actually talked about
where he flies, and he flies tohis beach homes and stuff.
And then there's actuallyanother clip of Kenneth Copeland
on an inside edition.
He actually about Tyler Perry'splane and he looks like a demon
.
I'm going to insert that cliptoo, because it's just so scary,
(30:36):
but he basically is.
Let me tell you something it isso scary and you're like are
you a demon?
And Kenneth Copeland is a veryold school preacher like this
one.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Isn't it true that you want to fly commercial so
that you can fly in luxury?
How much money did you pay forTyler Perry's Gulfstream jet,
for example?
Well, for example, that'sreally none of your business,
but isn't it the business ofyour donors?
Listen, I paid the airplanethat we had that I bought from
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Tyler Perry and I didn't pay anymore than Tyler's, one of the
greatest guys.
He made that airplane so cheapfor me.
I couldn't help but buy it.
I love your eyes Again.
Getting back to the comment,you said that you don't like to
fly commercial because you don'twant to get into a tube with a
bunch of demons.
Do you really believe thathuman beings are demons?
(31:28):
No, I do not, and don't youever say I did.
We wrestle not with flesh andblood, but principalities and
powers.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I tell you I've followed these guys since the
80s, since I came out of mymom's vagina.
I'm telling you I think this isa great point about the church
community and in and of itself,and it's one of the things that
I think I personally struggledwith because of my coming out
and the episode where I talkabout this we no longer have out
, because it was our firstepisode and it was a shit show.
(32:00):
So we took it down Thanks toeverybody's advice, but I wanted
to reintroduce it here becauseit was really traumatic for me.
But basically, I was in college, my parents were going to that
Nazarene church.
I was at Pepperdine's, atChurch of Christ, and this woman
who is at the Nazarene church,who really wanted me to date her
daughter for some reason, thewhole time I was at a high
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school Because she knew herdaughter was a Huzzi and she
knew that you were a Homo andfigured that's the best, perfect
match.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
If I can put a Huzzi with a Homo, then there ain't
going to be shit going on at all.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's crazier than that, adam.
No, I was on Myspace and I putthat I was gay on Myspace.
I was being a little rebel atcollege and I thought nobody
back home in Sherman Texas knowsanything about Myspace, it's a
college thing.
And this lady somehow foundMyspace and ended up asking my
mom if I was gay.
(32:52):
She said probably, but it's apub Catholic.
But I'm bonkers.
She definitely thought I wasgay.
And, yeah, my mom called me,asked if I was gay, said that
this woman found me on Myspace.
I was like why was this womanstalking me on Myspace?
I thought it was reallyuncomfortable and weird.
The next week, after thisrevelation had come up, the
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woman had gone to the pastor andtold the pastor and the pastor
had a sermon.
What did it say?
On your Myspace, you know howyou could say whether you are
gay or straight.
That's all it said.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And for him.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
But then the same woman proceeded to go and tell
the pastor and it's actuallyreally hard to talk about
because that next week he had asermon at the Nazarene church
which, by the way, I went to themore radical church.
My parents went to a more lessradical church and he had a
sermon and said if you raised agay child, then you screwed up
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as a parent, you did somethingwrong, and my mom started crying
and both my mom and dad stoodup and walked out A week after
they found out that I was gay.
And I was so disappointedbecause I always felt the
Nazarenes to be a fairlyaccepting group and, by the way,
I don't want anybody to saythis is against the Nazarenes,
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because I think a lot ofNazarenes are very accepting and
a lot of people in that church.
That pastor ended up gettingfired eventually, but it did
cause a huge ref and it was veryinappropriate.
And again it's about thecommunity in that church.
I am going to add an additionalpiece to this because the woman
(34:27):
that outed me to the church andmy parents ended up telling my
mom later down the road that shedidn't want her daughter to
date me.
She wanted to date me when Iwas 15.
She thought I was so cute.
So basically she was apedophile and was lusting after
me, since I was a 15 year oldboy, and she thought you were
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cute and she thought I was cutegirl.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
She must be a hell of a killer.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
At 15, I'll throw in a photo of what I looked like.
Maybe he was cute then.
I was pretty cute in highschool.
I did have really nice dimplesand hair anyway.
But anyway, how gross is thatwhen you really.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
People are going to be, people are going to tear us
up for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
When you really think about it, how gross is that?
That a woman who was lustingafter a teenage boy decided to
create all this.
And it was in the church, andthat was my issue.
Even at my church and theInstability of God, there was
always somebody, a shitster, soto speak.
A what A shitster.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Oh, you're from Florida, we're from the country,
that's why.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You know how many times I hear things come out of
Brally's mouth and I'm like whathe said shitster, before I can
guarantee you that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah Shitster.
Somebody that just stirs upshit just to get attention.
That's what a shitster is.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So let me get back on this.
I feel like that there's a lotof people and as the
conservative one of the group,the conservatives are the worst
when it comes to the religionside of everything and their
beliefs but I think that a lotof it is because that there's a
lot of gays in conservatives.
(35:59):
There is way more for anybodythat's a liberal gay.
There's a conservative gay.
On the other side of that,there's as many liberal gays as
there are conservative gays, andyou may not realize it.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm just curious Is there an actual or based on your
own experience?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
From my own experience there is because
there's a lot of people who Ihave gone and had chats with and
we, as gays that areconservative, dance around
politics and we don't want tobring it up and nothing against
liberals for bringing it up, butthey will bring it up because
they're like, oh, it's all of us, like we're the one, not even
(36:38):
religion Just talking aboutpolitics right now, right For a
second, for a split second.
But there are a lot of peoplewho are conservative, right that
are fighting their own demonsof being gay.
So that's where I'm trying togo with this is there's a lot of
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gay closeted people out thereand they are coming to the front
force so strong, being like youcan't be gay.
They're the ones that aretypically the gay ones that are
like you can't do this, youcan't do that and this is going
to kill your life, becausethey're so scared of actually
who they are that they don'twant to sit there and admit it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I think Ryan had actually a really good
experience with this, becauseyou struggled a lot with coming
out to and then you interviewedDr Cindy Ryan.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
So three years ago, when I tested with my own
podcast was looking so for mewhen it was starting on, my
first couple episodes had to dowith like identity and like
queerness related to identitythat in my mind or traditionally
felt like, oh, it couldn'tmerge.
So Christianity and being gay oh, can you be both?
Obviously, like now I've gottento a place from like yeah.
(37:54):
But so three years ago Iinterviewed Dr Cindy Ryan, so
she's in our area in Dallasbased, but yeah, it was a really
good conversation and for me Ithink it was just another thing
on my journey of wanting likesome affirmation from a
religious or spiritual person tofeel like honestly, just to get
(38:16):
like that Affirmation andvalidation like I'm okay, like I
can live who I am, and this issomeone who has a lot of
experience to become a pastor,like going to school for that
and in the church, and it was areally great conversation.
I still get her like emails andjust daily, like tips for
living in general and positivityand yeah, that's been.
(38:37):
That was a really goodexperience.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So you can be gay and Christian.
Yeah, and you feel good aboutthat now, but it took you till
you're what?
30 to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I don't know it's weird and I know this talked
about this, but like the termgay, I still feel, is a little
tough for me.
I still feel like I like queerbetter, no, it's my for me, I
feel.
I still feel like it's easierfor me to say I'm queer than it
is to say gay, yeah, but that'sjust terminology.
I can now because I think thebiggest moment for me obviously
(39:10):
in this past few months was likeputting a ring on a guy's hand
was huge and are you guys goingto get married in the church?
Probably out.
Yeah, outside.
It's the land we got a lot ofideas and motion right now, but
it's probably inside a church.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's not going to be with a pastor.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The church would burn down between the two of them.
What are you talking about?
I'm joking by the way.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I do support a church's right to not have a gay
wedding in a church if it doesnot agree with their beliefs as
a church, but there are plentyof churches that will allow gay
weddings.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
For me.
Just, I always had the idea ofit being like on a cliff outside
overlooking the ocean.
That's just a vision I've had.
So what you're saying is youhaven't asked Bradley.
No, we have talked about thatand Bradley, we talked about the
price.
Bradley doesn't want to pay fora church.
We're considering Royal 38 as avenue.
Girl.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Bradley's new favorite happy hour spot.
It's right down the street forme, which I love.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
If you want to do whatever you want to do, by all
means I will be behind you,judging you 100%, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Looping it back at my final point on the church and
my experience in it over timeand I think it really comes to
be with our, like, agingpopulation and I spent a little
bit of time with my grandfatherit's 90 now and last two years
ago I got to spend a little timewith my grandmother, who was in
her late 80s and I talked toher about things like serigacy
(40:39):
and all that, and I saw creatorand really going to try to find
the video, but I wasn't able tofind it prior to this podcast
because I wanted to show youguys.
But she got trolled in thecomments for not telling her 80
year old grandmother that shehad to use certain pronouns or
talk about trans rights orsomething like that.
And the girl's like eating icecream and she doesn't give a
(41:00):
shit and she basically is thegirl, like the young girl, she's
like my grandmother's 80.
She's I'm not going to changeher and I'm not here to change
her and I just thought that wasa powerful thing.
And as our final note, I think Iwant to say my view on the
church is I've seen a lot ofacceptance.
I've seen a lot of horriblethings, but I also have seen a
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lot of acceptance and I will say, like Preston with Baptist,
I'll give it to them.
All of us gays go to Prestonwith Baptist and I think they
all welcome us with open armsand I really appreciate that.
It's amazing, and they have, bythe way, a lot of gays.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Easter service I took my grandma to the Easter
service.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
They got the gays.
All the gays are doing thatproduction.
Congratulations to Preston withBaptist for being a very gay
friendly church, which I willsay is very different from first
Baptist downtown Dallas.
So, look, not everybody isprogressive in this world, but I
think we need to give a littlecredit.
And again, I think, from whatwe talked about with Israel,
palestine, previously, thisisn't a blanket statement and I
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think that we and our storiesand the way we interact with the
Christian community or thechurches and our friends and
families who go to church, Ithink like the way we act with
them and the patients we haveand just them, learning about us
and integrating with them.
I think that helps them slowlyaccept us as people and I think
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it's a good thing and I've seenit.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
And go out, listen to other people's what they
believe in.
Just listen.
What's it going to hurt?
Makes you grow into a betterperson.
It's not going to do you anyharm.
I'll listen to anybody all daylong.
I want to know what are youbelieving?
How do you think?
What do you think it makes yougrow as a better person?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Look, I can walk into my 90 year old grandfather's
East Texas freaking Baptistchurch.
Everybody knows I'm gay and Iam so welcome with open arms.
And I can tell you, when I was20 years old a new gay that was
not a place I wanted to be andto me that is progress and
(42:58):
that's because I've alwaysmaintained a respectful demeanor
there.
I've never screamed at anybodyor forced anyone to accept me,
but I've showed up and I've beenrespectful and people see that
and they see that I'm a goodperson and because of that
they're like oh, I accept gaypeople now and I would just like
to give that little tidbit topeople maybe, just being a
(43:20):
normal person and not a meanperson, be respectful, be
respectful.
R-e-s-t-c-t.
You could get a little morecredit.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I think I already shared about my grandpa on the
phone another episode already.
So that was one example, butanother one that came up to mind
because this was like early on,when I think it was either
living at home or still like incollege in Tampa, when I like
first held the guy's hand, itwas clear and I was going on and
I remember my mom had just saidhey, can you go?
There's this other guy inleadership at the church, so the
(43:51):
non-denominational Christianchurch.
I'll chat with him and I'lljust always remember that he was
.
He just listened and he waslike just kind of, be a good
person, trust yourself, listento your inner voice, be a nice,
like he wasn't worried at all.
There was no like judgment orhate or any of that, and I think
(44:11):
that to this day, like Iremember that.
So that goes a really long waywhen you're yeah, when you just
listen to people and show thatcompassion.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I'd not get freaking angry at everybody.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Ryan runs into the church and he says this guy,
gang and Ryan, just here we go.
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I heard your the pastor's son's gang.
Now where is he?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
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That's our big thing, andcomment in the comments.
Look out for our mugs.
It'll be on our website.
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Speaker 2 (44:43):
We got merch, but I'm buying it all right now.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So I will say I got to confess I don't know what the
next episode is, because Ithink it might be our lesbian
episode after this one, cheers.
I'm Blaine Ryan Adam.
Happy cheers to copy with gays.
We'll see you next time.
See ya, church girl.
See ya, church girl.
It is church time.
(45:06):
Let's go.
We're gonna be the loud ones.
We're willing to speak out.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm not politically correct.
If you want the truth, I'llgive it to you.
We're gonna start having thiswine.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Maybe we'll just in true colors.
Welcome to another episode ofCoffee with Gays.
I'm Ryan, hi, I'm Adam and I'mBlaine All right, everybody.
And we have a really as always,of course an exciting topic
today.
Blaine, where are we going togo today?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, it's gonna be done by song.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, I'm gonna give you my Today about church and
(01:04):
religion.
If I can get the sound to stopthat's one of the topics that
they say never bring up Politicsand religion.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
What do we bring up?
Politics and religion?
I don't know, well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So I think a great way to start this off for an
intro is each of our backgroundswith religion, a short little
like what our backgrounds arethrough religion, and I do want
to also preface this OK, this isnot going to be that we hate
religion one, or that we hateany certain religion, or that we
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hate the Christian church, oranything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think it should be an intellectual discussion about
our experiences, which I thinkare vast interviews or
perspective of what we believein, how we believe, what like
what we think of.
If you believe in it from Ibelieve it Believe what you have
to believe.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, like this is we're here to.
Obviously, this is a three ofus talking, but it's a
conversation and if you don'twant to listen to it, don't
listen to it.
If you do listen, commentwhatever.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Religion is a very personal topic, and I think it
also is a topic that evolves asyou grow and learn, and I think
that's the point of thediscussion.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I agree, and as somebody has the most open
minded person here, I would loveto hear everybody's aspects of
this.
So it's great to hear.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Wow, you're so open minded, adam.
So, ryan, let's start with you.
What's your like kind ofreligious background in a
nutshell, so?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
in a nutshell I'd say my I would say strong influence
from my mom.
So she grew up Southern Baptistbut then when she was raising
me, it was more of thenon-denominational Christian.
So she and she's all about themusic and that experience.
Wants to have a good sermon butwe would always find like hands
up, she'll do, like the handsup music base.
She wants to feel like she'sgoing to that.
(02:54):
Take me to church, going to aconcert.
She said if it could just bethat modern music, rock concert,
like to feel the faith, feelGod.
That was.
But yeah, I grew upnon-denominational Christian but
also did like.
My grandma was at the SouthernBaptist Church.
So I did like the spring breaktrips going to get snowboarding,
youth group trips rock theuniverse, if anyone's familiar
(03:16):
with that.
So you were in the super youthgroup, be youth group Christian.
Like it's hip, fun, cool,promise rings.
I feel like we're people didthis.
Yeah, we're lying K Anyone thatlove.
Oh, my gosh, we're lying Kswitch.
But Toby Mack, gillette, that'sthe jam.
Like you listen to your.
You know that's.
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Yeah, you're in that culture.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So that was how it, yeah, how it started.
That's your kind of background,okay.
So, adam, I know that you'reremember we decided to talk
about this without talking aboutthis before, because we wanted
your shocking talk, so you areactually the exact opposite of
this situation.
I'm Catholic.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And I said of recovering or currently Catholic
.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I've never heard of recovering.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I usually, when I meet Catholics these days I feel
like a lot of them.
They say recovering Catholic.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This is and this is actually probably a little head
turner for as quote unquote onmy politics that I'm
conservative or on theconservative side, I'm really
not religious at all.
Like I was baptized as Catholic, I went and had my communion.
I didn't have my confirmation.
My confirmation Didn't do theconfirmation.
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I baked the bread.
After I baked the bread I waslike peace out.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Have you ever done a confession?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
in a booth.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
This is the we're still talking about, like church
kind of confession.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, when you go confess your sins to the priest.
I think that is confirmationCorrect.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So no, and the way that I've interpreted us
Catholics and for anybody that'sCatholic, please comment in
below but we are the ones who goto church on Sundays.
We drink Monday, tuesday,wednesday, thursday, friday,
saturday, get shit-faced sin,and then we come back and we
confess our sins on Sunday.
That's the way that I.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I think you're a lax Catholic, but okay, I feel like
it'll be a stereotype.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I mean, that's even beyond Catholics, I feel like,
but especially Catholics, I feellike.
That's a stereotype that Ithink of.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And I will own that stereotype day in, day out.
But the last time that I'vebeen to church was a wedding two
years ago.
I don't go to church.
That much Did you grow up goingto church.
Every Sunday my mother tooksome mass and like all that,
until probably it was like 14 or15.
And then that kind of faded out.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And when it when is mass?
Is that that's a certain Sundaymorning, or do you do morning?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It wasn't our upbringing where we had to go
morning.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, wednesday church and yeah, oh you went
for church in the Sunday morning, you got your groceries and you
lived your life the rest of theweek.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Well, cindy was ready to get to the beach after
church service Sunday, so we'dgo to church the early service,
so we could book it to the beachand have a bloody marriage.
Did you do the night servicesas well?
Not on, so there was ever aSunday night service, but
sometimes there might be, likethe youth group, like a
Wednesday night, like thing orsomething.
So then I will go.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So that's basically your upbringing.
What?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
is your it's?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
fascinating.
I grew up my my parents reallyjust picked a church for the
people that were there.
So I've been Southern BaptistNazarene.
They really loved the Nazarenechurch.
It wasn't a radical Nazarenechurch Is that the Holy rollers?
Some are, but do you actuallyroll on the floor?
Not a Nazarene's, but funnystory.
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I became more radical than myown parents so my parents stayed
at the Nazarene church when Iwas in high school and then I
went to an assembly of Godchurch, which is a church that,
if you don't know, speaks intongues, where essentially the
Holy Spirit speaks through youand people with randomly during
church services start going toHala.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It just it comes over you.
It comes over you, that'scorrect.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
What are you talking about?
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
People truly believe that the Holy Spirit takes them
over and that there's aspiritual message for the
congregation that needs to beinterpreted.
There's a whole thing around it.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You said you were open minded, adam.
Open minded, adam.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right, I am a very but my mind's at night when I
get gassy.
That's when the Holy Spirittakes me over.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I literally was probably more on that spectrum
than my parents, and my parentscontinue going to Nazarene
church and I went to an assemblyof God church.
That's where I met my firstreally good girlfriend and I
went to youth group.
I was like the head of youthgroup.
I organized youth group dinnersafter youth group night on
Wednesday.
So basically we go to Sundaymorning service, I go to Sunday
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night service and then I hadWednesday youth group.
I would do mission trips toMexico, which I actually will
post in the YouTube video.
Subscribe on YouTube for allthese fun things.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Of course you did, Penelope.
Here we go again.
We want to talk about.
We want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's why you did they encourage mission trips.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I just found pictures of my mission trips and it was.
They're really funny pictures.
I'll do a little quick slideshow of them.
But it's sad because they werereally improvered border towns
and I don't know if what I wasdoing was right, like looking
back on it, because I feel likeI was bringing the message of
Jesus, but I feel like there wasjust so much that needed to be
done.
Like now that I really lookfrom a geopolitical standpoint,
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I'm like those poor kids who hadbeen, who gone through so much
and I, when I say gone throughso much, kids have been molested
and sex trafficked and I justdidn't know any of that back
then.
That was by my people.
Your people came in into that,going back all the way to the
Catholic inquisitions, catholicdemolition.
That's my people.
Adam, you have a very strongview of your perception of
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church and what is that today?
What is everyone's perceptionof church today?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
If you want to believe whatever belief that you
want to believe Hannah's in themost heartwarming way you can
believe whatever you want.
Do I believe that, after Ileave this earth, that I'm going
to another world?
I do not.
I do not.
I think that once you're dead,I believe that Jesus, mary, all
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of that was actual people.
I do believe that there was abook, which is called the Bible,
written about that.
I do believe that, but I dobelieve that the way of the
Bible is to keep people in check, to stay in line with being in
good faith of humanity and tokeep you on the right path to be
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a good person.
I 100% believe that.
But do I believe that there'san afterlife?
Absolutely not.
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I believe there's an afterlife.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I hope.
I absolutely understand.
I hope there's an afterlife.
I hope that I can get throughthis.
If I lived so 80, 80 years ofhell on this earth for nothing
Like I really hope that there'san afterlife and I'm gonna sit
here and say I don't need tobelieve in God and Jesus and all
that to make me a good person.
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I'm doing it out of thegoodness of my heart to be a
good person and I wanna be thebest person that I'm going to be
.
But I also refrain back on thisthat I feel like this is almost
like Santa Claus.
Okay, now just wrap your headaround this.
That Santa Claus is for thekids, to keep the good kids in
check.
There was a guy that was in thename of Mr Claus that went
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around and gave the kids gifts.
That did happen.
But I believe that this is ingood check to keep the later
people in the older years whodon't know that there's not a
Santa Claus, to keep them ingood check.
I really do.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I have to say and I'll try to tie your Catholic
background into, probably likeboth Ryan's in my experience and
Ryan, I wanna get your thoughtson this when I went to Papadine
University, which is a Churchof Christ school, the Church of
Christ is, they're not overlyradical.
I think they're very likemiddle of the road, but they are
very stringent, so to speak.
(11:03):
So the interesting thing I hadto take these classes.
You had to take three religionclasses and it was a New
Testament, old Testament andReligions of the World.
And when I took the OldTestament and New Testament
courses, I did not realize thatthe Bible and I had been in, I
got into Christian privateschool, I had my whole life and
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I had always been in church Idid not realize that the Bible
was canonized by the CatholicChurch.
I did not know that either.
Yeah, so the way the Bible wasactually created Shocker Is,
essentially there were all thesescrolls and these texts that
were found from back when Christwas around and they essentially
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the Catholic Church took all ofthese scrolls and texts and
they looked through them andthey said does this make sense?
And I don't wanna oversimplifyit for everybody If you wanna
comment and tell me I'm wrong.
Please do Always welcome that,always welcome comments.
But they essentially took allthese texts and they said what
makes sense?
And then they essentiallycreated the Bible and the New
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Testament and they said, okay,all this makes sense together.
And there were outliers and, forexample, I remember one in
particular from one of myclasses where Jesus was a kid
and he was making little claydoves in a riverbed and some
other child came up and stompedhis plate birds and Jesus got
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mad and struck the child dead.
And Struck the child.
What Dead Dead.
Jesus did that.
Yeah, jesus did it as a child.
It's not in the Bible Becausewhen they were canonizing the
Bible and creating the Bible, itdid not make sense for Jesus as
a character or as a person todo so, because he is a God of
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love and would not do that.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Oh, why did you smash my dove?
It's okay, let's talk aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But the question is and much like in social media
and the stuff that we talk aboutis was that story even real or
did someone just make it up?
And that's what the CatholicChurch was trying to do without
a ton of research?
They had all these texts andthey had to make, they had to
pick the source, or they triedto do the best they could to
come up with the true story ofJesus.
Is it the true story?
(13:24):
We'll never know.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Nobody will ever know .
Nobody.
There's nobody on this earththat can sit here and say
there's an afterlife, that thisis the way it is, it's all.
And that's the way you go back.
And I say you believe in whatyou believe.
If you want to believe there'san afterlife, agree.
Our friend Ronald thinks thatthis is our hell and that we go
to an afterlife.
I would love for that.
Take me now, then.
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As long as there's tractors onthe street, I'm good.
Take me now, but so, ryan, whatis?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
how does that?
How does canonization hit you?
Does that shock?
Are you shocked by that?
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
about it.
I didn't know about that one.
I felt like there's a lot ofthoughts in my head through the
years of experience.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Does mama sende know that's how the Bible was like
actually created.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm not going to speak for her, but I think we
could say in my opinion, I feellike, yeah, it's man, like
humans, right coming togetherand trying to organize, make
sense and form all these thingsthat get, and I think that's
probably what shaped, or likethe Catholic church, trying to
shape and rule and createwhatever order that the people
that were in that authoritywanted to create and that's
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passed down over time.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And my argument on this is somebody had to do it at
some point and I do think whatcame out of it and I think to
your point, adam is it's a bookthat really does exemplify being
good to other people For themost part.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Mind your own shit.
Be nice to people, berespectful, be kind, just like
those good tenants Like thatcarries through in many
religions.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
If I had to boil down the New Testament, I would say
it is, don't hurt anybody elseand just be a good person.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So the world is saying basically this if you and
that's where I think that theBible and all of that gives you
the guidelines to be a goodhuman.
But what's sad about that is isI think that a lot of people
can't be a good human withoutkeeping their mind on the Bible,
which is horrific to me.
Just be a good person, be agood human being.
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But if any of you called me orwhatever, I need help or even a
slight shit.
I need an ear.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I'd be there for you too.
I did drive your wrecked carhome at night.
It was really scary.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We ain't talking about that right now, but the
best phrase is do to others asyou would want done to you.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I've also heard.
But what is the modificationthat like do unto others as they
would want to be?
Like treat others how theywould want to be treated.
Right, because what if theydon't want to be treated the way
that you?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
want to be treated yourself.
Okay, so let me take in, forinstance.
I was at a store the othernight and two guys were
struggling to get this big boxin a car.
Right, I could have the optionto walk past them or I could
have the option to help them.
So I walked over to help them,as they're struggling through
their life to get this in, toput it in their cars, and it
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took five seconds for me to helpthem, save them probably a lot
of strength and a lot of stress.
Got it in their car.
They're done and over with.
I move on with my life, don'tthink about it.
I'm in and right now.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
More people need to do those acts of kindness.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
All of your Gen Z's.
There's other people that livehere in this earth other than
you.
Be good and be nice.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Ironically, I feel like a lot of Gen Z has grown up
in the church as well and theyare reacting against it.
And I can see why because Ithink the church, and I think
one of the things that youbrought up Adam, as like one of
the reasons you dislike thechurch.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
and this is where I want to say that I don't dislike
the church.
I think the church and all is agood thing and I think you need
to believe in what you believe.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
When we say church, I feel like we're really focused
on just Christianity.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, let's try to like because that's our
experience as Catholic andChristianity.
Let's just try to focus on onereligion right now.
But I do think when we do talkabout the church, we should say
the church as an institution andour churches traditional
churches run by pastors that wego to versus religion and
spirituality, which is what Ireally more identify with now.
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I think those are two verydifferent.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So let me get back to what Ryan was just saying.
Do you think and I may be justignorant with this, but are
there religions that don't havechurch?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, I'm just thinking about different terms,
if it's like a temple or amosque or in different.
So if there's anything, becauseI've also dated someone yeah, I
guess it was more I think I'dgo to a temple and I think I had
some experiences that kind ofmade me start to think broader
than like a Christian faith only.
And then I've worked at auniversity where I first learned
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about like the interfaithchapel.
So I think that's later on postthe kind of Christianity
upbringing, just kind ofexposure to seeing how do these
different, how can we differentreligious backgrounds, but still
interact, respect each otherand still have our own beliefs?
So I just want to know, likewhen we're saying church or our
focus, we're focusing on mainlyour Christian upbringing that
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the three of us have had.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
So that's where my ignorant comes from, because I
would say the temple and allthat like that would still be
classified as church to me.
Like to me, that's still yourarea of worship, wherever it is,
that's classified to me, Idon't care.
If you want to do it in yourhome, that's your church, that's
your area of worship.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You have your religion, which is in this room,
we have Christianity and thenyou have your church, which is
your people and the people whogovern that church, which is
your religious leaders over thechurch, and I think most
religions have that structure.
So hence, like our experienceis all Christianity, and I feel
like I'm most the best one I canspeak on is Christianity and
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some Catholicism.
I worshiped with the Catholicsquite a bit, even though that is
Christianity as well, but it'sCatholic.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Christian.
Part of the reason, just when Isay non-denominational
Christian is because when I wasgrowing up, my mom didn't want
it to be like Catholic,christian or Lutheran or any
sect of Christianity within that.
It was more of a let's just getto the root, like how we grew
up was the root is arelationship with Jesus, and the
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church can be like hey, I'mlike I remember thinking of like
prayer wasn't like I have to goto a physical building to pray
or talk to God or Jesus.
It's just so I can close myeyes right here and have a
little moment and say, hey,what's up, what's up God?
And here's what's going on.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's how I was taught which is good because I'm
going to be on line with you.
Like, as much as I don't wantto sit there and say there's an
afterlife, I still sit there andI'm like, god, help me, let's
get through this together andsomehow help me.
And even with what I wentthrough yesterday, because one
of my employees and I had aconversation about this, because
he's very religious, he's fromMexico and he was telling me
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about, like, how they they prayand like they worship and all of
that which is interesting to me.
So I sat there and had a wholelike feast of just information.
But, like, even yesterday, Iwas like, dear God, if you can
hear me, get me through this dayand make things work.
So that's where I sit there andI go.
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Maybe there is something,because there's weird things
that have happened in my lifethat I can't put my name on it.
I don't.
I like I can't understand howthis evolved and how this
happened, and that's why I say Iwill never rule it out, but
I'll never rule it in.
Like I'm very what Miguel, my,my employees said to you you're
very on the fence, you're awishy-washy, you don't know
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which way to go on this and youstill, you actually know which
is going to be the day that youdie.
You'll never know.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Is that true, and we'll never know till the day we
die?
Is there a really good Reliant?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
K song about that.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I'm dealing with a lot of family issues now,
like a few people very close todeath and it's like such a
question and, yeah, I guesswe'll know when we know we can
hope for the best.
But, adam, one of the thingsthat you said bugged you about
the church is what I refer to asthe prosperity gospel.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Come again.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I don't know this.
The prosperity gospel.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You said that to you the church really means money
and oh, okay, so I do have avery like heart wrenching
sickness to this, where I feellike this is going to be a
really bad touchy subject onthis, and it's so in my head.
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This is only my own personalbelief is that you can worship
God wherever, like everybodywill tell you.
You can worship wherever,wherever you want to, however
you want to Do.
I think that there has become afinancial gain with it,
absolutely, absolutely.
Where I feel like, where I feellike that people have taken
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religion and they have gone, Ican get a financial gain out of
this and it absolutely makes mesick to my stomach because
they're like oh, what is the?
What is the really big churchhere that's in North Dallas?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Preston, what about to?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
is it where we're going for the Christmas show and
we're going to go for theChristmas show.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Okay, but stop, I'm going to stop you right there.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm going to stop you there because they have gotten
so much hate over the Christmasshow and I want to say it is one
of the most magical experiencesyou've been, we've been, we've
been and I will say this fromnow on it's absolutely
breathtaking what they do, howthey do, and they pour a lot of
money into it and they do a lotwith it.
But I will say their funds arenot hurting by any means.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Their funds are not hurting, but I will tell you
this, I will tell you this andthis is where I disagree with
everybody on fricking TikTokthat does not know this church
and I will go ahead and postsome of the videos of the
drummer boy first and thensecond.
I want to post the the verycool Carol the bells thing that
they do.
That I think, is great.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
This is going to be my third year going.
It was like trying to getTaylor Swift tickets this year.
I was on the phone, I was inthe queue.
Did you get tickets?
Yeah, did you get tickets?
I got tickets.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
How did you get tickets?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Because I'm on the email subscription or whatever,
so I got notified that it'sgoing to be available.
How many tickets is yet?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Six, one, two, three, four, reynolds five.
Did you want to go?
Reynolds five.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You didn't invite, adam, us to become part of the
Ryan.
That's so mean.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You're the last you would win.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
He really loved it we will have front row tickets.
The front row tickets were likehow much were they?
Oh, they're probably not evenavailable now.
No, they're definitely not, butthey were $200.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I was in the queue.
I got it on the earlypre-release day.
No one, you didn't mention iteither.
I just sent it in our littlefun chat.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I knew the little drummer boys from behind the pew
.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
He was a huge controversy over this church
last year.
They've been doing this formany years but I have to say
Prestonwood Baptist Church inDallas does one of the most
amazing Christmas shows.
I will show a few clips of itthat I think are the most
spectacular.
They do a whole non-Christiansection of it which is like
Santa and Santa's sleigh andit's just cute and fun.
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And then they go into theChristmas story with Jesus and
they have live camels and I wasin the front row and basically
that hit in the face by cameltails Great Like camel shit.
And then they have angelsflying and drummer boys coming
down and it is the spectacularproduction.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It is like a Broadway show when they do this.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
They got trolled last year on TikTok.
They did not deserve that.
They actually number one chargefor this production decently.
It is no different to me thansomebody putting on a really
giant Christmas.
Yeah, and by the way, you knowhow much I pay.
For tickets to go to the DallasPops at the Meyers and Symphony
I pay $240.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So this is where I come into this.
If you have an issue with it,don't go to the show.
It's as easy as that.
Don't go to the show, don't Ifyou?
I am not a religious person,but I think it's an amazing show
.
I'm going to pay it.
I want to go see it.
Oh, you do want to go?
Come to it.
Shut up and, by the way, it'sfor the community.
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This is why I go back to thepeople in this world If you have
a problem with it, don't go tothe show.
I don't understand why peoplego above and beyond that.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think it's because of other people and I want you
guys to listen to this clip,which will insert into the video
portion too, but it's myfavorite Southerner.
He's not my favorite, heactually makes me grossed out
but Jesse Duplantis, who's beenaround forever and I think again
we can play.
Ok, we're going to play.
My dream has now come to pass.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
I've been believing in the long-gotten.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
ladies and gentlemen, I now own a Falcon 7X.
It's mine.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Or if you're going to TikTok, they eating my lunch.
Tiktok, talk your.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
TikTok, I don't care it, don't make a lick of
difference.
While I heard, you have aFalcon 902, yes.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
You got two jets, you got two cars.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You have two cars.
Look at me, I'm talking to youout there.
Do you have two cars?
Why do you have two cars?
Because your wife wants one.
Delta wished they could fly me.
Because when I quit flyingDelta, they lost a ton of money.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I said pastor at his church.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
This is where I have the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
He also has a clip, by the way, that he says he
lives in the largest house inLouisiana, that it is the house
from Gone with the Wind, and hesays he doesn't care and it is
disgusting, his $237 millionaircraft.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
So this is where, again, I'm going to go to both
parts of this.
This is where I have a stomachcrunch issue with money in the
church, but you will never seeme.
If that's what he wants to doand that's how he's doing it,
then great.
If he is, hold on.
I don't want to say scammingthe money from those people to
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preach.
Let me turn it back around.
If those people are giving himthat amount of money to be able
to preach, then they need tocheck themselves, because
they're the ones that are makingthe issue of him being able to
afford two jets.
That's an issue.
There's people in this worldthat can't afford one car.
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One car more or less a jet Likethat is their problem and
that's their issue.
And that's on them, that's onthe people that are feeding him
money.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
That's on you, dumb people for doing that, because I
think the argument is is theway our tax laws are worked, is
that basically all the money hegets is tax-free, so he's able
to afford just so many otherthings, and he uses them for
himself.
And, unfortunately, the waythis should work is the
governing body of the churchshould say you know what, jesse
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Deplantis, you don't get two $37million jets, one for you and
one for your wife, and you don'tget to have your personal
personage be a $35,000 squarefoot home in Louisiana, and I
think that's the problem.
And then so the people thataren't in the congregation are
the ones that are like ick, thatis gross.
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So again, we just have peopletaking advantage.
I will say Preston would BaptistChurch.
I think they do great thingsfor the community, even putting
on this production it's allvolunteer too, by the way like
nobody gets paid for theproduction and other reason why
they're able to offer cheaptickets.
That's how I think a church, amegachurch, should work, not
like this, not with 37.
(29:38):
They don't have a $37 millionfalcon plane.
So I think the problem is,again, we conflate things
together and say, oh,megachurches are bad.
I just think some are bad andsome are good.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And that's why I go back to what I've said or other
podcasts.
You have to look at the singleperson or the single thing, not
as a group or as a whole.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But if that's true and he's really flaunting that
he has two jets in the middle ofa service and they were
applauding that.
And they were applauding it.
That's your dumb people's faultfor doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Because I think he's able to just fly around the
world and preach the gospel, butthey've actually talked about
where he flies, and he flies tohis beach homes and stuff.
And then there's actuallyanother clip of Kenneth Copeland
on an inside edition.
He actually about Tyler Perry'splane and he looks like a demon
.
I'm going to insert that cliptoo, because it's just so scary,
(30:36):
but he basically is.
Let me tell you something it isso scary and you're like are
you a demon?
And Kenneth Copeland is a veryold school preacher like this
one.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Isn't it true that you want to fly commercial so
that you can fly in luxury?
How much money did you pay forTyler Perry's Gulfstream jet,
for example?
Well, for example, that'sreally none of your business,
but isn't it the business ofyour donors?
Listen, I paid the airplanethat we had that I bought from
(31:07):
Tyler Perry and I didn't pay anymore than Tyler's, one of the
greatest guys.
He made that airplane so cheapfor me.
I couldn't help but buy it.
I love your eyes Again.
Getting back to the comment,you said that you don't like to
fly commercial because you don'twant to get into a tube with a
bunch of demons.
Do you really believe thathuman beings are demons?
(31:28):
No, I do not, and don't youever say I did.
We wrestle not with flesh andblood, but principalities and
powers.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I tell you I've followed these guys since the
80s, since I came out of mymom's vagina.
I'm telling you I think this isa great point about the church
community and in and of itself,and it's one of the things that
I think I personally struggledwith because of my coming out
and the episode where I talkabout this we no longer have out
, because it was our firstepisode and it was a shit show.
(32:00):
So we took it down Thanks toeverybody's advice, but I wanted
to reintroduce it here becauseit was really traumatic for me.
But basically, I was in college, my parents were going to that
Nazarene church.
I was at Pepperdine's, atChurch of Christ, and this woman
who is at the Nazarene church,who really wanted me to date her
daughter for some reason, thewhole time I was at a high
(32:21):
school Because she knew herdaughter was a Huzzi and she
knew that you were a Homo andfigured that's the best, perfect
match.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
If I can put a Huzzi with a Homo, then there ain't
going to be shit going on at all.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's crazier than that, adam.
No, I was on Myspace and I putthat I was gay on Myspace.
I was being a little rebel atcollege and I thought nobody
back home in Sherman Texas knowsanything about Myspace, it's a
college thing.
And this lady somehow foundMyspace and ended up asking my
mom if I was gay.
(32:52):
She said probably, but it's apub Catholic.
But I'm bonkers.
She definitely thought I wasgay.
And, yeah, my mom called me,asked if I was gay, said that
this woman found me on Myspace.
I was like why was this womanstalking me on Myspace?
I thought it was reallyuncomfortable and weird.
The next week, after thisrevelation had come up, the
(33:12):
woman had gone to the pastor andtold the pastor and the pastor
had a sermon.
What did it say?
On your Myspace, you know howyou could say whether you are
gay or straight.
That's all it said.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And for him.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
But then the same woman proceeded to go and tell
the pastor and it's actuallyreally hard to talk about
because that next week he had asermon at the Nazarene church
which, by the way, I went to themore radical church.
My parents went to a more lessradical church and he had a
sermon and said if you raised agay child, then you screwed up
(33:45):
as a parent, you did somethingwrong, and my mom started crying
and both my mom and dad stoodup and walked out A week after
they found out that I was gay.
And I was so disappointedbecause I always felt the
Nazarenes to be a fairlyaccepting group and, by the way,
I don't want anybody to saythis is against the Nazarenes,
(34:06):
because I think a lot ofNazarenes are very accepting and
a lot of people in that church.
That pastor ended up gettingfired eventually, but it did
cause a huge ref and it was veryinappropriate.
And again it's about thecommunity in that church.
I am going to add an additionalpiece to this because the woman
(34:27):
that outed me to the church andmy parents ended up telling my
mom later down the road that shedidn't want her daughter to
date me.
She wanted to date me when Iwas 15.
She thought I was so cute.
So basically she was apedophile and was lusting after
me, since I was a 15 year oldboy, and she thought you were
(34:48):
cute and she thought I was cutegirl.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
She must be a hell of a killer.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
At 15, I'll throw in a photo of what I looked like.
Maybe he was cute then.
I was pretty cute in highschool.
I did have really nice dimplesand hair anyway.
But anyway, how gross is thatwhen you really.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
People are going to be, people are going to tear us
up for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
When you really think about it, how gross is that?
That a woman who was lustingafter a teenage boy decided to
create all this.
And it was in the church, andthat was my issue.
Even at my church and theInstability of God, there was
always somebody, a shitster, soto speak.
A what A shitster.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Oh, you're from Florida, we're from the country,
that's why.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
You know how many times I hear things come out of
Brally's mouth and I'm like whathe said shitster, before I can
guarantee you that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah Shitster.
Somebody that just stirs upshit just to get attention.
That's what a shitster is.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So let me get back on this.
I feel like that there's a lotof people and as the
conservative one of the group,the conservatives are the worst
when it comes to the religionside of everything and their
beliefs but I think that a lotof it is because that there's a
lot of gays in conservatives.
(35:59):
There is way more for anybodythat's a liberal gay.
There's a conservative gay.
On the other side of that,there's as many liberal gays as
there are conservative gays, andyou may not realize it.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm just curious Is there an actual or based on your
own experience?
Speaker 2 (36:18):
From my own experience there is because
there's a lot of people who Ihave gone and had chats with and
we, as gays that areconservative, dance around
politics and we don't want tobring it up and nothing against
liberals for bringing it up, butthey will bring it up because
they're like, oh, it's all of us, like we're the one, not even
(36:38):
religion Just talking aboutpolitics right now, right For a
second, for a split second.
But there are a lot of peoplewho are conservative, right that
are fighting their own demonsof being gay.
So that's where I'm trying togo with this is there's a lot of
(36:59):
gay closeted people out thereand they are coming to the front
force so strong, being like youcan't be gay.
They're the ones that aretypically the gay ones that are
like you can't do this, youcan't do that and this is going
to kill your life, becausethey're so scared of actually
who they are that they don'twant to sit there and admit it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I think Ryan had actually a really good
experience with this, becauseyou struggled a lot with coming
out to and then you interviewedDr Cindy Ryan.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
So three years ago, when I tested with my own
podcast was looking so for mewhen it was starting on, my
first couple episodes had to dowith like identity and like
queerness related to identitythat in my mind or traditionally
felt like, oh, it couldn'tmerge.
So Christianity and being gay oh, can you be both?
Obviously, like now I've gottento a place from like yeah.
(37:54):
But so three years ago Iinterviewed Dr Cindy Ryan, so
she's in our area in Dallasbased, but yeah, it was a really
good conversation and for me Ithink it was just another thing
on my journey of wanting likesome affirmation from a
religious or spiritual person tofeel like honestly, just to get
(38:16):
like that Affirmation andvalidation like I'm okay, like I
can live who I am, and this issomeone who has a lot of
experience to become a pastor,like going to school for that
and in the church, and it was areally great conversation.
I still get her like emails andjust daily, like tips for
living in general and positivityand yeah, that's been.
(38:37):
That was a really goodexperience.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So you can be gay and Christian.
Yeah, and you feel good aboutthat now, but it took you till
you're what?
30 to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I don't know it's weird and I know this talked
about this, but like the termgay, I still feel, is a little
tough for me.
I still feel like I like queerbetter, no, it's my for me, I
feel.
I still feel like it's easierfor me to say I'm queer than it
is to say gay, yeah, but that'sjust terminology.
I can now because I think thebiggest moment for me obviously
(39:10):
in this past few months was likeputting a ring on a guy's hand
was huge and are you guys goingto get married in the church?
Probably out.
Yeah, outside.
It's the land we got a lot ofideas and motion right now, but
it's probably inside a church.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's not going to be with a pastor.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The church would burn down between the two of them.
What are you talking about?
I'm joking by the way.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I do support a church's right to not have a gay
wedding in a church if it doesnot agree with their beliefs as
a church, but there are plentyof churches that will allow gay
weddings.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
For me.
Just, I always had the idea ofit being like on a cliff outside
overlooking the ocean.
That's just a vision I've had.
So what you're saying is youhaven't asked Bradley.
No, we have talked about thatand Bradley, we talked about the
price.
Bradley doesn't want to pay fora church.
We're considering Royal 38 as avenue.
Girl.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Bradley's new favorite happy hour spot.
It's right down the street forme, which I love.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
If you want to do whatever you want to do, by all
means I will be behind you,judging you 100%, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Looping it back at my final point on the church and
my experience in it over timeand I think it really comes to
be with our, like, agingpopulation and I spent a little
bit of time with my grandfatherit's 90 now and last two years
ago I got to spend a little timewith my grandmother, who was in
her late 80s and I talked toher about things like serigacy
(40:39):
and all that, and I saw creatorand really going to try to find
the video, but I wasn't able tofind it prior to this podcast
because I wanted to show youguys.
But she got trolled in thecomments for not telling her 80
year old grandmother that shehad to use certain pronouns or
talk about trans rights orsomething like that.
And the girl's like eating icecream and she doesn't give a
(41:00):
shit and she basically is thegirl, like the young girl, she's
like my grandmother's 80.
She's I'm not going to changeher and I'm not here to change
her and I just thought that wasa powerful thing.
And as our final note, I think Iwant to say my view on the
church is I've seen a lot ofacceptance.
I've seen a lot of horriblethings, but I also have seen a
(41:21):
lot of acceptance and I will say, like Preston with Baptist,
I'll give it to them.
All of us gays go to Prestonwith Baptist and I think they
all welcome us with open armsand I really appreciate that.
It's amazing, and they have, bythe way, a lot of gays.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Easter service I took my grandma to the Easter
service.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
They got the gays.
All the gays are doing thatproduction.
Congratulations to Preston withBaptist for being a very gay
friendly church, which I willsay is very different from first
Baptist downtown Dallas.
So, look, not everybody isprogressive in this world, but I
think we need to give a littlecredit.
And again, I think, from whatwe talked about with Israel,
palestine, previously, thisisn't a blanket statement and I
(41:58):
think that we and our storiesand the way we interact with the
Christian community or thechurches and our friends and
families who go to church, Ithink like the way we act with
them and the patients we haveand just them, learning about us
and integrating with them.
I think that helps them slowlyaccept us as people and I think
(42:21):
it's a good thing and I've seenit.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
And go out, listen to other people's what they
believe in.
Just listen.
What's it going to hurt?
Makes you grow into a betterperson.
It's not going to do you anyharm.
I'll listen to anybody all daylong.
I want to know what are youbelieving?
How do you think?
What do you think it makes yougrow as a better person?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Look, I can walk into my 90 year old grandfather's
East Texas freaking Baptistchurch.
Everybody knows I'm gay and Iam so welcome with open arms.
And I can tell you, when I was20 years old a new gay that was
not a place I wanted to be andto me that is progress and
(42:58):
that's because I've alwaysmaintained a respectful demeanor
there.
I've never screamed at anybodyor forced anyone to accept me,
but I've showed up and I've beenrespectful and people see that
and they see that I'm a goodperson and because of that
they're like oh, I accept gaypeople now and I would just like
to give that little tidbit topeople maybe, just being a
(43:20):
normal person and not a meanperson, be respectful, be
respectful.
R-e-s-t-c-t.
You could get a little morecredit.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I think I already shared about my grandpa on the
phone another episode already.
So that was one example, butanother one that came up to mind
because this was like early on,when I think it was either
living at home or still like incollege in Tampa, when I like
first held the guy's hand, itwas clear and I was going on and
I remember my mom had just saidhey, can you go?
There's this other guy inleadership at the church, so the
(43:51):
non-denominational Christianchurch.
I'll chat with him and I'lljust always remember that he was
.
He just listened and he waslike just kind of, be a good
person, trust yourself, listento your inner voice, be a nice,
like he wasn't worried at all.
There was no like judgment orhate or any of that, and I think
(44:11):
that to this day, like Iremember that.
So that goes a really long waywhen you're yeah, when you just
listen to people and show thatcompassion.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I'd not get freaking angry at everybody.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Ryan runs into the church and he says this guy,
gang and Ryan, just here we go.
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I heard your the pastor's son's gang.
Now where is he?
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Make sure to follow us on YouTube.
That's our big thing, andcomment in the comments.
Look out for our mugs.
It'll be on our website.
Copy with gayscom by the timethis airs.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
We got merch, but I'm buying it all right now.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So I will say I got to confess I don't know what the
next episode is, because Ithink it might be our lesbian
episode after this one, cheers.
I'm Blaine Ryan Adam.
Happy cheers to copy with gays.
We'll see you next time.
See ya, church girl.
See ya, church girl.
It is church time.
(45:06):
Let's go.
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