October 2, 2025 • 35 mins
Are scientists ignoring the truth about UFOs?
In this episode of the Deep Woods Paranormal Podcast, host Matt Harvey sits down with author R. L. Poole to discuss his groundbreaking book, Cosmic Blindspot: Why Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Wrong About UFOs.
Poole argues that mainstream science has turned a blind eye to compelling UFO evidence, often dismissing it with skepticism rather than curiosity. Together, we dive into:
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In this episode of the Deep Woods Paranormal Podcast, host Matt Harvey sits down with author R. L. Poole to discuss his groundbreaking book, Cosmic Blindspot: Why Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Wrong About UFOs.
Poole argues that mainstream science has turned a blind eye to compelling UFO evidence, often dismissing it with skepticism rather than curiosity. Together, we dive into:
- Why Neil deGrasse Tyson and other scientists may be wrong about UFOs
- The strongest cases and evidence for UAPs
- How cultural stigma keeps the truth in the shadows
- What UFOs could mean for humanity’s place in the cosmos
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello, my paranormal peeps, and welcome back to another Deep
Wits Paranormal podcast. My name is Matt Harvey. I am
the founder and lead investigator with Deep Wits Paranormal. I
am also the host of the Deep Wits Paranormal podcast,
and as you know, we're always trying to make the
paranormal normal. So today we're going to take a deep
dive into one of the most controversial and debated paranormal
(00:40):
things out there, essentially, which is UFOs, and we're going
to talk about the mainstream science and basically why they're
just missing the truth that's right in front of us.
So we're lucky enough to have author RL Pool with us.
He's the he wrote the new book Cosmic blind Spot,
Why Neil deGrasse Tyson is wrong about UFO challenges and
(01:04):
the skepticism of the One World one of the world's
most famous scientists. Excuse me, I'm bear with me, guys,
I'm dealing with alergy issues. So he's going to explore
why so many experts to Smith's UFOs and why the
evidence is being overlooked and what it all means for
humanity and a place in our place in the cosmos.
(01:26):
And with that, let's bring him on RL. Would you
come on and kind of tell us what got you
started into this field and what got you into the paranormal.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Absolutely, and thank you so much for that kind introduction
and for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's a pleasure, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So, as you could tell, probably by the title of
the book, I am directly and I would say aggressively
confronting the scientific community, and it is my desire to
hold them accountable for what I believe is irresponsibly dismissing
(02:08):
a phenomenon which is I think almost beyond contestation at
this point, and it is one of the major factors
which is enabling the denial of what I consider to
be pseudo skeptics. And so the thing that actually prompted
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the book was that I am an abduction experiencer, a
lifelong abduction experiencer, and it began for me around the
age of six years old and began to be really
ramped up from about two thousand and six until a.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And so during this time I've had so many experiences
waking conscious, real physical experiences with a species that we
call the grays that I know that science is wrong.
I know myself because I experienced it. So I decided
(03:21):
to kind of back engineer what was going wrong, because
it's for me. It wasn't a matter of knowing that
it's true. I've experienced it many times. So I wanted
to look at science and say, I know what is
preventing them from being able to recognize for acknowledge. This
(03:46):
week we say phenomenon, but it's reality. And you said
something right there at the beginning that let me know.
I felt like I was in the right place because
you said, making the para normal normal right, And that's
exactly right that we are trying to. Let's take the
(04:07):
spooky away. I know that people love mysteries. I love
mysteries too, but there is no para normal. There is
only normal that we cannot explain or do not yet understand.
There is no supernatural. If it exists, it is natural.
(04:27):
The super is just beyond our understanding. And so I
began to take a very serious look at what science
was saying about this phenomenon. And one of the most
vocal and I might say unprofessional dismissers of this phenomenon
(04:51):
is the very popular, world famous Neil deGrasse Tyson, And
what I began to notice is that he wasn't being scientific.
To dismiss the phenomenon means you must be unscientific to
do it. And that's what this book reveals. That this
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person who is worldwide acclaimed, went to Harvard, graduated from
Columbia with a PhD. A sarcastic, bearded guy covered in tattoos.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Just absolutely took him to school.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
On science because I realized that he was saying things
that not only are not scientific, but highly misrepresentative of science.
And the only genre in which he does this just
happens to be the subject of UFOs, aliens and alien abductions.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's almost like they're being spoon fed this information and
this is what you need to say, almost like they're
a pong. They're just like trying to keep you from
actually understanding the truth. They don't want that out there.
And I've had tons of experiences. I've never been abducted.
I've seen some strange things in the sky. I mean,
we've dealt with calimulations here and we got completely shut down.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
FBI came through and you know, right, no.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Talk about that, and then you know, basically just ruined
everything wait, six or seven witnesses that you know, witnesses stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I mean the I had friends that told we're told
to be quiet.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, and so yeah, I'll believe me.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I've received my own fair share of warnings, sure, even consequences, right,
I don't care, because the fact that they want to
try this hard to cover things up tells you how
important it is for you to know. Right, So, and
I think that you said something very right there that
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it's almost as though they're being told what to say.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's all almost as.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Though someone is being given attention and fame and talk shows,
and all they have to do is repeat these talking.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Points over and over and over again. And it really works.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It really works because I hear people quoting him all
the time thinking they understand science when they really don't.
And I'll give you a free example.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
One of the things, this is his big lead in
to people who say that these things exist, He says,
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Oh that's so poetic, isn't It's very catchy, right?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Bro Oh really,
because the last time I checked science, and I've been
a scientific person a civilian scientist in the academic community.
But that isn't how science works. There there are no
(08:07):
extraordinary claims in science. There are only claims. You see,
Extraordinary is a subjective value placement that we that we
place over something, and in science we don't do that, right.
There is no extraordinary evidence. There's only evidence or a
(08:29):
lack of evidence, right right, So he is training people
to think unscientifically in order to participate in the psychological
and intellectual denial of what is happening right in front of.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Them exactly, and that goes with pretty much any paranormal field.
You know, they're basically just saying, oh, that doesn't exist,
this doesn't exist, you know, blah blah blah blah, because
they don't want you to.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Know exist, right, And they I think, honestly, they don't
want to believe it exists. I believe that this isn't
a matter of intellect, This isn't a matter of education.
This is a matter of psychological denial of something that
we find scary, something that we If we admit this exists,
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then we also are tacitly admitting that it is out
of our control.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Right right now, do you think the grays want to
be known? Do they want us to know that they exist?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And my experiences with them, and based on my observation
of their behaviors, I think that they don't care.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
They don't care if we know.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
What they care about is that we don't get in
their way. I think that they perform in ways and
use techniques that indicate deception, that they wish to work
around our radar. They wish to evade air, you know,
(10:06):
combat they wish to uh. For instance, I was abducted
at night time when I'm asleep, when no one's around.
That they perform in ways that use deception. But they
don't seem to be trying to hide themselves. They just
wish to work in ways in which no one can interfere.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Have you ever found any transplants in you? Any little
pieces of metal or any shards or anything that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You ah, So let me tell you a story about that.
That's a great question you're referring. I believe to implants, yes,
and so I actually know that I have one because
I think I woke up in the middle of the procedure.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Jeez, So I have been abducted.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I wake up up and I'm laying on a table,
and all I can see is white light. But the
whole ceiling is white. The wall is white like an
LED screen. There's a glow, but it's not bright. There's
no bulbs. It just seems to just be white everywhere.
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And it appears also to be domed. And I don't know,
but that was my impression at the time. And I'm
laying there and I look up and I look down
and I see something down around that area, and I'm
just laying there. And when you're taken, at least my experiences,
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when they have you laying on a table, it's not
that you can't get up, but it's like really hard
to move. It's like it's pulling you down to it.
And all I can do is just raise my head slightly,
and I look over to the right, and I can
see what looks like a silver medical tray on a stand.
(12:06):
And I'm laying there and I I'm just like okay.
And then all of a sudden, one of these grays
he leans over me and he goes, huh, and he
looks over and he jumped. He startles at the fact
that I'm awake, and I did not panic. I know
(12:26):
that when we panic, bad things happen. So I wanted
to let him know that I see you, and I
just I just smiled, but nothing that could be interpreted
as aggressive or angry or surprised. And he immediately reaches
over and grabs something off of the tray and it
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was like a metal rod that had like little striations
around it and a little ball at the end. And
he reached over and grabbed it and think touched me
and head on the head with it. And then I
woke up in my bed. I just sat up like this.
(13:09):
And whenever I've been abducted, I have what I call
the abduction hangover. I feel hot, thirsty, I feel gross.
I want to wash my hands and my face. I
feel like I've been just touched everywhere. And so I'm
going in there and I'm doing that, going through my
little ritual, drinking water out of my hand, and uh, oh,
(13:30):
I feel I have something in my lip now. Yeah,
And then I looked in the mirror and I saw, oh,
I have a red spot there exactly where I remember
him touching me with that device. They have a way
of like rendering you instantly unconscious.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So and then I had it in my lip for
quite a while, and it was driving me crazy, and
I was this close to cutting it out myself, just
to because it was right in my lip, and I'm
like constantly messing with it, you know. It was I'd
bite my lip while I'm eating food. Just not in
a very good place. A few weeks after I moved
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to Pennsylvania. I moved here because I thought it would
be cool like Transylvania.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I'm staying at a friend's house, sleeping on the
couch and I wake up one morning and oh, it's gone.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Oh it's gone, hey nice.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Right, And then I go in and I go to
wash my face and now it's behind my ear.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh geeuz.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So I think when I woke up on the table,
they kind of panicked and said, okay, just get it done.
Just put it right there in his lip, don't waste
the time, just do it quickly and get it done.
And then later I think they revisited it upon abducting
me again and said.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Put this in his lip.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
All right, we need to move this to someplace where
it's not going to be interfered with noticed or could
be easily extracted.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Right, So what do you think that was what do
you think they put in you?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I think that it is a tracking device the way
that we tagged, right, or we tag deer. That's the
same thing it is, marking me as property.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Oh wow, you see, because I've.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Noticed that these grays, and from what I understand other
species they behave in certain ways, the way like a
rancher would brand cattle. Well, that's the same thing that
this is. It means taken spoken for hours.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, So that's my impression of.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It, right, And do you think there's other alien species
out there or just the Grays?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh? No, they told me there are.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
During a waking experience, a male gray actually got me
off of the table and asked me to follow him
and walked me around the ship and explained some things
to me that might be very difficult for people to hear.
But one of the things is that he said, and
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it was strange. He was starting to walk and then
he stopped, almost as though, you know, like he thought
of it all of a sudden, and he turned around.
And they speak to you tell in your head telepathically.
But it's weird because when they speak to you in
your head, it's in your voice. So for a second,
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do you feel like you're going mad because it's your
voice talking to you in your head. But they're not
your words, they're not your thoughts. It's a very strange
feeling at first. And so he turns around and he
looks at me and he says, I want you to
know that there are several species which interact with your
planet and they don't all like you.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, And he went on to explain that the reason
they don't like us is because we are modified. We
have been artificially tweaked and spliced, and we are not
a naturally evolved species. We have been artificially evolved. And
(17:30):
because of this, some of these other highly advanced and
evolved species believe us to be an abomination, a chimera,
a Frankenstein species that they glad to work very hard
to climb to the top of the evolutionary ladder, and
they resent a species that has been artificially elevated.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, do you think they made us or was it
just something else?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So this is the other thing he said to me
in the same conversation, is he said, mankind will never
be able to resolve the creation versus evolution debate because
they're both correct, and we are according to this gray
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we are partially evolved primates. But then they saw us
and they tweaked, are they selectively changed our DNA to
create an.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Evolution to a higher species.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Then later, about fifteen thousand years ago in our past,
he told me they actually spliced some of their DNA
in two hours. And this is represented by certain things extremely.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Pale skin, blue eyes, allergies.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And that.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No, he said that.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He said, I said, well, how how does that? How
will I how do I know that? How does that
manifest itself? And he's and he just looked at me.
He said allergies, allergies and he said, have you ever
seen a squirrel allergic to a tree?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay, so your species is created on Earth, evolved on Earth,
thousands of years on Earth.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You're allergic to Earth.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You see, this is their genes being represented in some way,
because it is not that genes natural environment. So it
is trying to deal with this foreign or alien environment
to those particular genetics.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And yeah, and so.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He all of this was centered around explaining to me
why that they're doing this. And what he explained to
me is that their species is so the way he
started the whole conversation. The first thing I ever remember
a gray saying to me was when he got me
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off the table. I followed him out of a door,
and when we got out of the door, he turned
around and he looked at me and he asked me
a question. He didn't make a statement, He asked a question,
and he said, what do you do when evolution stops
being your friend?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh, that's a good question. You enhance it, you modify
it some way.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So my response at the time was, but evolution is
our friend, and he said not always, not always. And
he led me to this bench, which is a metallic
bench and had some kind of red lights which which
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strangely looked like predator symbols, but they appeared to be
like numbers or something of a monitoring station. And sitting
on the bench there was a cylinder, a tall round
cylinder with this yellowish greenish, very transparent fluid, and inside
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was a small gray fetus and its umbilical was attached
to the top the lid of this canister. And then
these little pipes came out and went into the bench.
And he said, this is how we have to just
state our young because as we have evolved. Our brains
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have gone on a runaway train of evolution. And as
the brain gets larger, the body gets smaller. As the
brain is getting stronger, the body is becoming weaker. And
so what he explained is that they are evolving out
of existence. That's how old and ancient their species are,
(22:07):
that they're evolving out of existence. He said that the
females are too small to carry young to term or
to survive giving live birth, that the males are often
born either sterile or in some cases without genitalia whatsoever.
And so what they have done is they have modified
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us to hybridize with and they want to combine our
big tough bodies, are big, strong immune systems, and they
want to combine that with their best traits and create
a new species which will continue the line.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I have to say that conversation changed my thinking on everything,
because the whole idea that evolution would not ever be
our friend, that that just I could never imagine that
concept because I guess we're so low on the evolutionary scale,
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is like there is no limit to evolution. But that
is what he really demonstrated to me was that even
evolution has limits, right, and that they have reached theirs.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well, if you.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Think about it, if we started out as apes, we
kind of became smaller, bigger, and stronger, I mean, I mean, smarter,
and our brain's probably got bigger, if you will, and
our bodies have definitely gotten smaller. If you're looking at
it that way, I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Maybe some of us, some of us could give them
a run for their money, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I mean, look at how far we've come if we
did start from an ape, and you know, I researched
bigfoot and stuff like that, so it kind of makes
me wonder. I've heard that bigfoots get abducted every once
in a while by UFOs, And if I follow the
hot spots around the country, interesting to go back and
pinpoint ghosts, bigfoots, and UFOs. They're all hauntings, are all
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kind of in the same area of the country, and
it's it's like there's a whole lot of pins dropped
at the same locations. But I'm just just thinking that
maybe they're trying to do something with bigfoot as well,
to you know, maybe maybe that that's where we started,
you know, kind of like a bigfoot like creature we've
evolved into what we are now from that. I mean,
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if we did evolve from apes or whatever or they,
you know, maybe we're we were Neanderthals, and maybe they
abducted us and you know, did alien DNA with us
and stuff like that. It could have could explain why
we're still seeing you know, bigfoot like creatures or Neadrothal
like creatures out there in the woods.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Maybe they didn't get us all, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
There's still like a subspecies of out there, you know,
that is still living out.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
There in the wildern guess what we might have been right,
kind of like the original evolutionary line, that's entirely possible.
One of the theories I've heard about bigfoot is by
no means an expert on that.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I'm an expert on extraterrestrials.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
But I heard a theory once that someone said, well,
maybe they're not being abducted. Maybe they're being put down
on earth to play, to eat, to do things for
a while, and then they're simply taken back and rich
into wherever they are kept.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I think that's an interesting idea, that's true.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I've heard that something like that too as well.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know, maybe they were put here too, or maybe
they I've also heard that maybe they there were the
original species that was here.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, and that's what I mean that maybe they are
the original line. They kept the original recipe just in
case that they ever needed. But they are definitely interested
in genetics. I've noticed a pattern that abductions that are
repea heated abductions tend to be of people who are
first born. Firstborn genetics seem to be very important to them.
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I'm the firstborn of two first borns, for instance. Yeah,
and I'm so. My parents, my mom my dad, both firstborn.
I'm the firstborn and they seem to be very interested
in that for some reason. Now I know, from even
just a human understanding of biology that firstborn genetics tend
to be the best, not always, but tend to be
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according to statistics. So we see that they are being
genetically selective. That they are. And when we read or
hear the accounts of these abductions, what do we hear?
They are centered around the collection of DNA eggs from females.
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They are talking about just stating of fetuses, they are
talking about meeting hybrid children. This is all around and
what I felt like he did was filled in a
lot of those gaps of my understanding and provided a
sense of clarity that I would not have arrived at
(27:13):
even close if I hadn't been told directly.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, you're not the first one to actually tell me that,
which is interesting. We have a podcast guess her name
is Laura, and she's told us something very similar to that.
You know that they kind of told her what was
going on. And I don't know if she had a child.
She showed him a child, but she was Yeah, I've
heard a lot too, So.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That actually happened to me as well.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I met my child, and I did not realize that
at first, but I had an experience. I was abducted
and I wasn't taken on board of a craft. I
was actually taken back to my old apartment which was empty.
It was actually completely bare, completely empty clan. And I
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come to myself and I'm wearing my pajama still, and
I'm at the sink washing my hands, and I have
no idea why. I'm very excited to see. They have
this way and it's hard to explain, but they have
this way of keeping you kind of out of it
that you kind of know what's going on, but you
kind of don't know what's going on. And it's a
(28:23):
way I think of keeping you awake but harmless. Yeah,
And so anyway, I'm washing my hands and I'm very
excited about something, and I don't know what I'm excited about.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
And I'm like, oh, I don't know how I'm gonna
dry my.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
The only thing in the entire place is a towel
that has been laid out perfectly flat, and it's my towel.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
My favorite towel has a little cute fox on it
that I like.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And so I grab the towel and I dry my
hands and I throw it over my shoulder and I'm
looking as though I'm waiting for something, expecting something.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
It feels like Christmas. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And then the door opens all of a sudden, and
in walks a little boy and a very i would say,
awkwardly disguised female gray. This is very late at night,
it's dark, but she's wearing a bright blonde wig. She
has bright red lipstick. She is wearing like this very
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pretty dress, and then over that a beige raincoat and
then a hat. She looks like someone in disguise. It's
like you looked up disguise and then just followed all
of the instructions. And when they come in, I just flip.
I see him, and I just flip out, and I'm like,
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now the problem the problem was has set my my actual.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Human son had died not too long before that.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Oh jeez, I'm just sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
No, it's thank you. But when I saw this little guy,
he looked just like me. Oh wow, so did my son.
And when I saw him, because I was kind of
still out of it from whatever they do to you,
I completely misunderstood the situation and I thought it was
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my son again as a little boy, being brought back
to me.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And so I became very emotional and I ran over
to him and I grabbed him and I hugged him,
and I said, oh my god, where have you been.
I've been looking everywhere for you. Don't do that again. Okay. Wow,
this little boy looks up at me with these giant
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blue eyes and he says, don't do what again?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I realized we don't know each other.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You've never met me and I've never met you, and
I just I just hugged him and I said it's okay,
it's okay, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And then I felt a tap on the back of
my head and I woke up in my own bed.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Wow, still crying with the towel.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So they will talk to you sometimes, and so I
didn't know if they were listening. But I sent out
a message and I said, I'm really sorry. I misunderstood,
and I hope that I didn't scare anyone, because I
you know, it was a misunderstanding. They were not aware
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of my recent loss. See, they can read your mind,
but they don't keep track of your day to day.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
They don't care, honestly.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But I explained I recently lost a child, and I
misinterpreted what this was due to the state.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
That you had me in and that trauma. Those two things.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I misread everything, And they actually said, you did nothing
wrong at all. No one is upset, no one was afraid.
The problem was that I broke protocol. I guess there
was a whole thing that was supposed to happen, of
them introducing him and there being some kind of protocol and.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I wasn't supposed to touch him.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That they have a big thing about no touch no touching,
and I reached over and just grabbed him and hugged him.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You know, so I vibe just broke every rule.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I lated everything, and they said it was actually okay,
that everything was fine.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But they have these strange rules about things.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And one of the rules seems to be that any
hybrid child they have to meet their parent, both of them.
And so that's what this was about, was him meeting
his human father.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's cool. At least you got the opportunity to meet him.
So we're running on a time. Unfortunately, we have a
couple of minutes left. Do you want to tell us
anything else about about you? Do you want to tell
us anything else about your book before we go?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
And I want to say again, thank you so much
for having me on. It's been a real fun time
talking to you about really hard things.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And yeah, exactly been. I've enjoyed the heck out of
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I'd love to come back sometime maybe, yeah, well
definitely for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The book is called Cosmic blind Spot Why degras Tyson
Is Wrong about UFOs, and it's available on Amazon and
it premiered as the number one new release in cosmology.
So I would encourage people to pick up the book.
I have it in every single format, I have it
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very reasonably priced. And this is not about I have
books about my abductions. But this is about the science,
the reason and the methods that scientists are using to
lie to us, to keep us in the dark and
to keep us unprepared. And that is my issue with this,
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that when people feel that there's nothing out there, they
will keep their guard down. They may be become susceptible
to abductions like I have, and we have to stop
this cycle of denial when the facts tell us the
exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Very interesting and we will have his information link below
to his book, so you guys can go check that
out and maybe order one.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I would highly recommend it. He's a very interesting guy.
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
We've talked to a lot of different people that have
been abducted and it's always interesting to hear the stories
and how similar they are and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
So thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
We really appreciate it, and we will catch you guys
on the next one.
Hello, my paranormal peeps, and welcome back to another Deep
Wits Paranormal podcast. My name is Matt Harvey. I am
the founder and lead investigator with Deep Wits Paranormal. I
am also the host of the Deep Wits Paranormal podcast,
and as you know, we're always trying to make the
paranormal normal. So today we're going to take a deep
dive into one of the most controversial and debated paranormal
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things out there, essentially, which is UFOs, and we're going
to talk about the mainstream science and basically why they're
just missing the truth that's right in front of us.
So we're lucky enough to have author RL Pool with us.
He's the he wrote the new book Cosmic blind Spot,
Why Neil deGrasse Tyson is wrong about UFO challenges and
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the skepticism of the One World one of the world's
most famous scientists. Excuse me, I'm bear with me, guys,
I'm dealing with alergy issues. So he's going to explore
why so many experts to Smith's UFOs and why the
evidence is being overlooked and what it all means for
humanity and a place in our place in the cosmos.
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And with that, let's bring him on RL. Would you
come on and kind of tell us what got you
started into this field and what got you into the paranormal.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Absolutely, and thank you so much for that kind introduction
and for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's a pleasure, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So, as you could tell, probably by the title of
the book, I am directly and I would say aggressively
confronting the scientific community, and it is my desire to
hold them accountable for what I believe is irresponsibly dismissing
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a phenomenon which is I think almost beyond contestation at
this point, and it is one of the major factors
which is enabling the denial of what I consider to
be pseudo skeptics. And so the thing that actually prompted
(02:33):
the book was that I am an abduction experiencer, a
lifelong abduction experiencer, and it began for me around the
age of six years old and began to be really
ramped up from about two thousand and six until a.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And so during this time I've had so many experiences
waking conscious, real physical experiences with a species that we
call the grays that I know that science is wrong.
I know myself because I experienced it. So I decided
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to kind of back engineer what was going wrong, because
it's for me. It wasn't a matter of knowing that
it's true. I've experienced it many times. So I wanted
to look at science and say, I know what is
preventing them from being able to recognize for acknowledge. This
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week we say phenomenon, but it's reality. And you said
something right there at the beginning that let me know.
I felt like I was in the right place because
you said, making the para normal normal right, And that's
exactly right that we are trying to. Let's take the
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spooky away. I know that people love mysteries. I love
mysteries too, but there is no para normal. There is
only normal that we cannot explain or do not yet understand.
There is no supernatural. If it exists, it is natural.
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The super is just beyond our understanding. And so I
began to take a very serious look at what science
was saying about this phenomenon. And one of the most
vocal and I might say unprofessional dismissers of this phenomenon
(04:51):
is the very popular, world famous Neil deGrasse Tyson, And
what I began to notice is that he wasn't being scientific.
To dismiss the phenomenon means you must be unscientific to
do it. And that's what this book reveals. That this
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person who is worldwide acclaimed, went to Harvard, graduated from
Columbia with a PhD. A sarcastic, bearded guy covered in tattoos.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Just absolutely took him to school.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
On science because I realized that he was saying things
that not only are not scientific, but highly misrepresentative of science.
And the only genre in which he does this just
happens to be the subject of UFOs, aliens and alien abductions.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's almost like they're being spoon fed this information and
this is what you need to say, almost like they're
a pong. They're just like trying to keep you from
actually understanding the truth. They don't want that out there.
And I've had tons of experiences. I've never been abducted.
I've seen some strange things in the sky. I mean,
we've dealt with calimulations here and we got completely shut down.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
FBI came through and you know, right, no.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Talk about that, and then you know, basically just ruined
everything wait, six or seven witnesses that you know, witnesses stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I mean the I had friends that told we're told
to be quiet.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, and so yeah, I'll believe me.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I've received my own fair share of warnings, sure, even consequences, right,
I don't care, because the fact that they want to
try this hard to cover things up tells you how
important it is for you to know. Right, So, and
I think that you said something very right there that
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it's almost as though they're being told what to say.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's all almost as.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Though someone is being given attention and fame and talk shows,
and all they have to do is repeat these talking.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Points over and over and over again. And it really works.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It really works because I hear people quoting him all
the time thinking they understand science when they really don't.
And I'll give you a free example.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
One of the things, this is his big lead in
to people who say that these things exist, He says,
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Oh that's so poetic, isn't It's very catchy, right?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Bro Oh really,
because the last time I checked science, and I've been
a scientific person a civilian scientist in the academic community.
But that isn't how science works. There there are no
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extraordinary claims in science. There are only claims. You see,
Extraordinary is a subjective value placement that we that we
place over something, and in science we don't do that, right.
There is no extraordinary evidence. There's only evidence or a
(08:29):
lack of evidence, right right, So he is training people
to think unscientifically in order to participate in the psychological
and intellectual denial of what is happening right in front of.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Them exactly, and that goes with pretty much any paranormal field.
You know, they're basically just saying, oh, that doesn't exist,
this doesn't exist, you know, blah blah blah blah, because
they don't want you to.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Know exist, right, And they I think, honestly, they don't
want to believe it exists. I believe that this isn't
a matter of intellect, This isn't a matter of education.
This is a matter of psychological denial of something that
we find scary, something that we If we admit this exists,
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then we also are tacitly admitting that it is out
of our control.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Right right now, do you think the grays want to
be known? Do they want us to know that they exist?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And my experiences with them, and based on my observation
of their behaviors, I think that they don't care.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
They don't care if we know.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
What they care about is that we don't get in
their way. I think that they perform in ways and
use techniques that indicate deception, that they wish to work
around our radar. They wish to evade air, you know,
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combat they wish to uh. For instance, I was abducted
at night time when I'm asleep, when no one's around.
That they perform in ways that use deception. But they
don't seem to be trying to hide themselves. They just
wish to work in ways in which no one can interfere.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Have you ever found any transplants in you? Any little
pieces of metal or any shards or anything that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You ah, So let me tell you a story about that.
That's a great question you're referring. I believe to implants, yes,
and so I actually know that I have one because
I think I woke up in the middle of the procedure.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Jeez, So I have been abducted.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I wake up up and I'm laying on a table,
and all I can see is white light. But the
whole ceiling is white. The wall is white like an
LED screen. There's a glow, but it's not bright. There's
no bulbs. It just seems to just be white everywhere.
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And it appears also to be domed. And I don't know,
but that was my impression at the time. And I'm
laying there and I look up and I look down
and I see something down around that area, and I'm
just laying there. And when you're taken, at least my experiences,
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when they have you laying on a table, it's not
that you can't get up, but it's like really hard
to move. It's like it's pulling you down to it.
And all I can do is just raise my head slightly,
and I look over to the right, and I can
see what looks like a silver medical tray on a stand.
(12:06):
And I'm laying there and I I'm just like okay.
And then all of a sudden, one of these grays
he leans over me and he goes, huh, and he
looks over and he jumped. He startles at the fact
that I'm awake, and I did not panic. I know
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that when we panic, bad things happen. So I wanted
to let him know that I see you, and I
just I just smiled, but nothing that could be interpreted
as aggressive or angry or surprised. And he immediately reaches
over and grabs something off of the tray and it
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was like a metal rod that had like little striations
around it and a little ball at the end. And
he reached over and grabbed it and think touched me
and head on the head with it. And then I
woke up in my bed. I just sat up like this.
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And whenever I've been abducted, I have what I call
the abduction hangover. I feel hot, thirsty, I feel gross.
I want to wash my hands and my face. I
feel like I've been just touched everywhere. And so I'm
going in there and I'm doing that, going through my
little ritual, drinking water out of my hand, and uh, oh,
(13:30):
I feel I have something in my lip now. Yeah,
And then I looked in the mirror and I saw, oh,
I have a red spot there exactly where I remember
him touching me with that device. They have a way
of like rendering you instantly unconscious.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
So and then I had it in my lip for
quite a while, and it was driving me crazy, and
I was this close to cutting it out myself, just
to because it was right in my lip, and I'm
like constantly messing with it, you know. It was I'd
bite my lip while I'm eating food. Just not in
a very good place. A few weeks after I moved
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to Pennsylvania. I moved here because I thought it would
be cool like Transylvania.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I'm staying at a friend's house, sleeping on the
couch and I wake up one morning and oh, it's gone.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Oh it's gone, hey nice.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Right, And then I go in and I go to
wash my face and now it's behind my ear.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh geeuz.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So I think when I woke up on the table,
they kind of panicked and said, okay, just get it done.
Just put it right there in his lip, don't waste
the time, just do it quickly and get it done.
And then later I think they revisited it upon abducting
me again and said.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Put this in his lip.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
All right, we need to move this to someplace where
it's not going to be interfered with noticed or could
be easily extracted.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Right, So what do you think that was what do
you think they put in you?
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I think that it is a tracking device the way
that we tagged, right, or we tag deer. That's the
same thing it is, marking me as property.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Oh wow, you see, because I've.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Noticed that these grays, and from what I understand other
species they behave in certain ways, the way like a
rancher would brand cattle. Well, that's the same thing that
this is. It means taken spoken for hours.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, So that's my impression of.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It, right, And do you think there's other alien species
out there or just the Grays?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Oh? No, they told me there are.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
During a waking experience, a male gray actually got me
off of the table and asked me to follow him
and walked me around the ship and explained some things
to me that might be very difficult for people to hear.
But one of the things is that he said, and
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it was strange. He was starting to walk and then
he stopped, almost as though, you know, like he thought
of it all of a sudden, and he turned around.
And they speak to you tell in your head telepathically.
But it's weird because when they speak to you in
your head, it's in your voice. So for a second,
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do you feel like you're going mad because it's your
voice talking to you in your head. But they're not
your words, they're not your thoughts. It's a very strange
feeling at first. And so he turns around and he
looks at me and he says, I want you to
know that there are several species which interact with your
planet and they don't all like you.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yes, And he went on to explain that the reason
they don't like us is because we are modified. We
have been artificially tweaked and spliced, and we are not
a naturally evolved species. We have been artificially evolved. And
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because of this, some of these other highly advanced and
evolved species believe us to be an abomination, a chimera,
a Frankenstein species that they glad to work very hard
to climb to the top of the evolutionary ladder, and
they resent a species that has been artificially elevated.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, do you think they made us or was it
just something else?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So this is the other thing he said to me
in the same conversation, is he said, mankind will never
be able to resolve the creation versus evolution debate because
they're both correct, and we are according to this gray
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we are partially evolved primates. But then they saw us
and they tweaked, are they selectively changed our DNA to
create an.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Evolution to a higher species.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Then later, about fifteen thousand years ago in our past,
he told me they actually spliced some of their DNA
in two hours. And this is represented by certain things extremely.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Pale skin, blue eyes, allergies.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
And that.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No, he said that.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He said, I said, well, how how does that? How
will I how do I know that? How does that
manifest itself? And he's and he just looked at me.
He said allergies, allergies and he said, have you ever
seen a squirrel allergic to a tree?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Okay, so your species is created on Earth, evolved on Earth,
thousands of years on Earth.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You're allergic to Earth.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You see, this is their genes being represented in some way,
because it is not that genes natural environment. So it
is trying to deal with this foreign or alien environment
to those particular genetics.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And yeah, and so.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
He all of this was centered around explaining to me
why that they're doing this. And what he explained to
me is that their species is so the way he
started the whole conversation. The first thing I ever remember
a gray saying to me was when he got me
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off the table. I followed him out of a door,
and when we got out of the door, he turned
around and he looked at me and he asked me
a question. He didn't make a statement, He asked a question,
and he said, what do you do when evolution stops
being your friend?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Oh, that's a good question. You enhance it, you modify
it some way.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So my response at the time was, but evolution is
our friend, and he said not always, not always. And
he led me to this bench, which is a metallic
bench and had some kind of red lights which which
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strangely looked like predator symbols, but they appeared to be
like numbers or something of a monitoring station. And sitting
on the bench there was a cylinder, a tall round
cylinder with this yellowish greenish, very transparent fluid, and inside
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was a small gray fetus and its umbilical was attached
to the top the lid of this canister. And then
these little pipes came out and went into the bench.
And he said, this is how we have to just
state our young because as we have evolved. Our brains
(21:45):
have gone on a runaway train of evolution. And as
the brain gets larger, the body gets smaller. As the
brain is getting stronger, the body is becoming weaker. And
so what he explained is that they are evolving out
of existence. That's how old and ancient their species are,
(22:07):
that they're evolving out of existence. He said that the
females are too small to carry young to term or
to survive giving live birth, that the males are often
born either sterile or in some cases without genitalia whatsoever.
And so what they have done is they have modified
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us to hybridize with and they want to combine our
big tough bodies, are big, strong immune systems, and they
want to combine that with their best traits and create
a new species which will continue the line.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I have to say that conversation changed my thinking on everything,
because the whole idea that evolution would not ever be
our friend, that that just I could never imagine that
concept because I guess we're so low on the evolutionary scale,
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is like there is no limit to evolution. But that
is what he really demonstrated to me was that even
evolution has limits, right, and that they have reached theirs.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Well, if you.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Think about it, if we started out as apes, we
kind of became smaller, bigger, and stronger, I mean, I mean, smarter,
and our brain's probably got bigger, if you will, and
our bodies have definitely gotten smaller. If you're looking at
it that way, I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Maybe some of us, some of us could give them
a run for their money, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I mean, look at how far we've come if we
did start from an ape, and you know, I researched
bigfoot and stuff like that, so it kind of makes
me wonder. I've heard that bigfoots get abducted every once
in a while by UFOs, And if I follow the
hot spots around the country, interesting to go back and
pinpoint ghosts, bigfoots, and UFOs. They're all hauntings, are all
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kind of in the same area of the country, and
it's it's like there's a whole lot of pins dropped
at the same locations. But I'm just just thinking that
maybe they're trying to do something with bigfoot as well,
to you know, maybe maybe that that's where we started,
you know, kind of like a bigfoot like creature we've
evolved into what we are now from that. I mean,
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if we did evolve from apes or whatever or they,
you know, maybe we're we were Neanderthals, and maybe they
abducted us and you know, did alien DNA with us
and stuff like that. It could have could explain why
we're still seeing you know, bigfoot like creatures or Neadrothal
like creatures out there in the woods.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Maybe they didn't get us all, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
There's still like a subspecies of out there, you know,
that is still living out.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
There in the wildern guess what we might have been right,
kind of like the original evolutionary line, that's entirely possible.
One of the theories I've heard about bigfoot is by
no means an expert on that.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I'm an expert on extraterrestrials.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
But I heard a theory once that someone said, well,
maybe they're not being abducted. Maybe they're being put down
on earth to play, to eat, to do things for
a while, and then they're simply taken back and rich
into wherever they are kept.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I think that's an interesting idea, that's true.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I've heard that something like that too as well.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know, maybe they were put here too, or maybe
they I've also heard that maybe they there were the
original species that was here.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, and that's what I mean that maybe they are
the original line. They kept the original recipe just in
case that they ever needed. But they are definitely interested
in genetics. I've noticed a pattern that abductions that are
repea heated abductions tend to be of people who are
first born. Firstborn genetics seem to be very important to them.
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I'm the firstborn of two first borns, for instance. Yeah,
and I'm so. My parents, my mom my dad, both firstborn.
I'm the firstborn and they seem to be very interested
in that for some reason. Now I know, from even
just a human understanding of biology that firstborn genetics tend
to be the best, not always, but tend to be
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according to statistics. So we see that they are being
genetically selective. That they are. And when we read or
hear the accounts of these abductions, what do we hear?
They are centered around the collection of DNA eggs from females.
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They are talking about just stating of fetuses, they are
talking about meeting hybrid children. This is all around and
what I felt like he did was filled in a
lot of those gaps of my understanding and provided a
sense of clarity that I would not have arrived at
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even close if I hadn't been told directly.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, you're not the first one to actually tell me that,
which is interesting. We have a podcast guess her name
is Laura, and she's told us something very similar to that.
You know that they kind of told her what was
going on. And I don't know if she had a child.
She showed him a child, but she was Yeah, I've
heard a lot too, So.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That actually happened to me as well.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I met my child, and I did not realize that
at first, but I had an experience. I was abducted
and I wasn't taken on board of a craft. I
was actually taken back to my old apartment which was empty.
It was actually completely bare, completely empty clan. And I
(28:01):
come to myself and I'm wearing my pajama still, and
I'm at the sink washing my hands, and I have
no idea why. I'm very excited to see. They have
this way and it's hard to explain, but they have
this way of keeping you kind of out of it
that you kind of know what's going on, but you
kind of don't know what's going on. And it's a
(28:23):
way I think of keeping you awake but harmless. Yeah,
And so anyway, I'm washing my hands and I'm very
excited about something, and I don't know what I'm excited about.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
And I'm like, oh, I don't know how I'm gonna
dry my.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
The only thing in the entire place is a towel
that has been laid out perfectly flat, and it's my towel.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
My favorite towel has a little cute fox on it
that I like.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And so I grab the towel and I dry my
hands and I throw it over my shoulder and I'm
looking as though I'm waiting for something, expecting something.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
It feels like Christmas. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And then the door opens all of a sudden, and
in walks a little boy and a very i would say,
awkwardly disguised female gray. This is very late at night,
it's dark, but she's wearing a bright blonde wig. She
has bright red lipstick. She is wearing like this very
(29:32):
pretty dress, and then over that a beige raincoat and
then a hat. She looks like someone in disguise. It's
like you looked up disguise and then just followed all
of the instructions. And when they come in, I just flip.
I see him, and I just flip out, and I'm like,
(29:54):
now the problem the problem was has set my my actual.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Human son had died not too long before that.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Oh jeez, I'm just sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
No, it's thank you. But when I saw this little guy,
he looked just like me. Oh wow, so did my son.
And when I saw him, because I was kind of
still out of it from whatever they do to you,
I completely misunderstood the situation and I thought it was
(30:31):
my son again as a little boy, being brought back
to me.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And so I became very emotional and I ran over
to him and I grabbed him and I hugged him,
and I said, oh my god, where have you been.
I've been looking everywhere for you. Don't do that again. Okay. Wow,
this little boy looks up at me with these giant
(31:01):
blue eyes and he says, don't do what again?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I realized we don't know each other.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
You've never met me and I've never met you, and
I just I just hugged him and I said it's okay,
it's okay, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And then I felt a tap on the back of
my head and I woke up in my own bed.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Wow, still crying with the towel.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So they will talk to you sometimes, and so I
didn't know if they were listening. But I sent out
a message and I said, I'm really sorry. I misunderstood,
and I hope that I didn't scare anyone, because I
you know, it was a misunderstanding. They were not aware
(32:03):
of my recent loss. See, they can read your mind,
but they don't keep track of your day to day.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
They don't care, honestly.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But I explained I recently lost a child, and I
misinterpreted what this was due to the state.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
That you had me in and that trauma. Those two things.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I misread everything, And they actually said, you did nothing
wrong at all. No one is upset, no one was afraid.
The problem was that I broke protocol. I guess there
was a whole thing that was supposed to happen, of
them introducing him and there being some kind of protocol and.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I wasn't supposed to touch him.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That they have a big thing about no touch no touching,
and I reached over and just grabbed him and hugged him.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You know, so I vibe just broke every rule.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I lated everything, and they said it was actually okay,
that everything was fine.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But they have these strange rules about things.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And one of the rules seems to be that any
hybrid child they have to meet their parent, both of them.
And so that's what this was about, was him meeting
his human father.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's cool. At least you got the opportunity to meet him.
So we're running on a time. Unfortunately, we have a
couple of minutes left. Do you want to tell us
anything else about about you? Do you want to tell
us anything else about your book before we go?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
And I want to say again, thank you so much
for having me on. It's been a real fun time
talking to you about really hard things.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And yeah, exactly been. I've enjoyed the heck out of
this conversation.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I'd love to come back sometime maybe, yeah, well
definitely for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The book is called Cosmic blind Spot Why degras Tyson
Is Wrong about UFOs, and it's available on Amazon and
it premiered as the number one new release in cosmology.
So I would encourage people to pick up the book.
I have it in every single format, I have it
(34:18):
very reasonably priced. And this is not about I have
books about my abductions. But this is about the science,
the reason and the methods that scientists are using to
lie to us, to keep us in the dark and
to keep us unprepared. And that is my issue with this,
(34:40):
that when people feel that there's nothing out there, they
will keep their guard down. They may be become susceptible
to abductions like I have, and we have to stop
this cycle of denial when the facts tell us the
exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Very interesting and we will have his information link below
to his book, so you guys can go check that
out and maybe order one.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I would highly recommend it. He's a very interesting guy.
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
We've talked to a lot of different people that have
been abducted and it's always interesting to hear the stories
and how similar they are and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
So thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
We really appreciate it, and we will catch you guys
on the next one.
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