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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Now my paranormal peeps, and welcome back to another Deep
What's Paranormal? Podcast? My name is Matt Harvey. I am
the founder and lead investigator with Deep What's Paranormal? And
on this podcast, we are making the paranormal normal. So
we're going to basically talk about how to find bigfoot sasquatch,
whatever you want to call them. On this podcast, I
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get so many questions of how do I find bigfoot, Matt,
Where do I go looking for them? What do I
need to do this? You know, what gear do I need?
You know, what do I need to be looking for?
How do I break down the evidence? How do I
know if it's a bigfoot or not? So we'll go
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into basically the research mindset, how to choose a location,
what the central gear is, the field research basics, and
the evidence evidence reviews. Excuse me. We'll also talk about
ethics and safety, and then I'll kind of wrap it
up from there. So let's start from the beginning. Okay,
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So let's get into bigfoot here. I've been researching bigfoot
for over fifteen years now, and I've known a lot
of people in the field have been doing this a
lot longer than me. I kind of stumbled across Bigfoot.
I've always talked about my first experience at Black Star
Canyon where I went from a non believer to a believer.
And if you guys want to listen to that, you
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can go back to any other podcasts that have Bigfoot
in it, and I'll you know, I have a whole
thing on Black Star Kanyan, you guys can look back
for that. But so I basically stumbled on him and
became a believer and then realized, oh my goodness, I've
been experiencing Bigfoot for years and not knowing it. Tree
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Knox possible sightings and footprints and other things that they
were doing the Tree Knox, I had no idea that
was big Foot behavior. So I really had to figure
out how to do. How am I going to find
this creature? Uh? There was a lot of shows, thank god,
on the TV about them. I'd grown up watching shows
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on Bigfoot, right. I had to get my mindset correct.
What was I going to how Number one? How was
I going to document them? Number two? What gear was
I going to use? Number Three? Were the other locations
I was going to go to be fire Sides, black
Star King, because that's kind of where I got my
start with them, and you know, how was I going
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to go about doing it? And then also you know
how how aggressive was I going to be towards these things.
Was I going to just go straight up to one
and and try and record it, or was I going
to sit back and essentially just trying and document them.
So these were all things I had to kind of choose.
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For me. Safety is a high priority, So I don't
want to get involved with bigfoot up close and personal,
although I've done it a couple of times by accident.
You know, I had some close encounters with the bigfoot kind.
But okay, so the research mindset, let's talk about the
research mindset going at a bigfoot. When you're going to
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look for bigfoot, you really have to take your time.
You really have to be patient with them. Imagine this.
I always use this analogy. Imagine I came walking into
your living room and you can go This goes with
both ghost hunting and book bigfoot research. I really kind
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of learned this more when I was at Joe's camp,
because basically Joe's camp was like a living room for
the bigfoots. They kind of lived on the outskirts. Of
his property somewhere, and then you know, of course he
had he had fifty five acres and his whole family
owned thousands of thousands of acres up there, but they
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live on that land and it was pretty wild up
in Smed National Forest. And I started looking for other
reports in the area, and I just started seeing clusters
all around where he lived. So that was my first
experience with trying to figure out how am I going
to look for these things. And then, of course you
have witnesses. Joe was some great witness. He had people
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around him that were witnesses, family members, he had neighbors,
all had stories to tell. And so that's kind of
where you want to start. You have to become an
armchair researcher, as they call us. It starts with basically
doing research online. Start looking up the way I started
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at least, and you can do it however you want.
I looked up reports online, and then I started looking
for real credible reports. I looked through the BFLRO websites.
I looked at other credible websites here in Texas and
of course in California. And what I did is I
took Google Maps and everywhere I found a Bigfoot report,
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I dropped a pin in that location, and I spent
months and months and months and months going through and
doing this. And then I realized that I'd pinned maybe
one hundred and fifty places all along California, Oregon, Nevada,
and then of course down in Arizona and possibly into
Mexico too. So I had penned all these pins. And
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I started looking for clusters. And I know I had
been Bigfoot studying in Black Star Canyon, so blocks our
canyon is out in the sant Ane Mountains the Cleveland
National Forest. So I started seeing reports in and around
that area, right old old reports back from the sixties
and seventies of bigfoot, believe it or not, in Orange County.
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Look at a beach Saint Clementi, Santa Ana riverside in
the surrounding areas. And then as I went through the pins,
I realized that those had all shrunk back into the
Cleveland National Forest. And my research area was just the
Cleveland National Forest. So as I went, I, you know,
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I had already had a bunch of encounters just along
about a two or three mile stretch. They were for
some reason, they were interested in me, right and that
when that one finally showed itself to us clearly, and
you know, we had a daytime, almost a daytime sighting
with thirty witnesses. I realized, Okay, this is where I
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want to research. I didn't really need to go anywhere else.
I was lucky. I got one of those locations where
they're here. They're not everywhere else, They're just here. So
I started looking at it. And what I've learned from
that too from my other paintings, is I started painting.
I took Blackstar Canyon in that area and started looking
everywhere I had. I basically had an encounter within a
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one mile radius. I hadn't fifteen twenty pens. So I'm like, okay,
this is an area where they live, kind of like
Joe's camp. Joe's camp, they lived in that area, family group,
if you will, multiples. There's not just one or two,
there's multiples. So what I did was I started to
go out there and I started learning. I did a
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lot of research on online on how to research bigfoot.
You know, what's the proper way? What do I need?
I need an honary recorder. I need to bring a
video camera with my r lights because it's pitch black
out there. It's not pitch black, it's really really dark.
There's no light out there. Right, I need a camera,
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I need, I need, I need some kind of knocking
something I can make a tree knock with. Right, And
what I actually was using blue or not was a
three cell old door cell mag light and then I'll
use that to basically bang on the power lines, well
power lines. I never really heard anything back, but I
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do think that kind of drew them to me. I
never really heard very many screams either, but I did
capture one that I know is legit, in between two
kyouk calls, believe it or not, in another canyon across
the way. Because the kyles, all we heard was a kyos.
We didn't hear the big recall, but we did record it.
You can use your phone. Your phone has a great
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audio recording on it. These are meant to hear audio.
So these are perfect for recording audio if you have
a nicer, more expensive phone, doesn't matter what brand it is.
I needed trap cams, so I got some old I
got some trap cams. This is back fifteen years ago.
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Trap cams. We haven't how much much better a drone?
We have two drones. We don't have one that has
infrared or thermal on it, unfortunately, because those are just
way too expensive. And as much as I paid for
the two drones I have, I couldn't you know, we
I end up getting them upgraded in the future. So anyways, GPS,
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so you know where you're going, you can start to
drop pins. If your phone doesn't work. If you can't
drop a pin on Google Maps where you are, where
you've basically just had an experience, or you thought I
heard something, saw something, heard a tree knock her to screen,
you can't drop a pin there. If you have your
own handheld GPS, you can drop it on that. A
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casting kit you want, either plaster casting or dental mold,
That's what I started with. And then you need something
clear collects hair samples. A lot of people just use
a paper bag and they put that in there, and
they need a felt tip marker and you're right on
there the location, maybe even the GPS location, the time,
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the date, and stuff like that. You need gloves and
maybe a mask, and if you need glasses because you
don't want to contaminate that simple right footprints, maybe you
find a footprint, maybe you find a partial footprint. Look
I've shown in the past. I had a full print
pit footprint that was about eight inches long and brought
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that wide at the widest and the dang thing unfortunately
broke on me. And I've talked about that before, so
you need to be ready for that. I carry dental
blaster now because that stuff dries hard in five minutes.
I mean it's it's hard as rock. So I highly
recommend vental blaster. And then, uh, you know, any kind
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of safety tools you need. Always always always bring a
little bit of food, a little bit of water, or more.
If you're going to camp jump in these locations, you
need camping gear. A lot of people like to hike
into secluded locations. People think that they are very secluded,
but not always. Sometimes they're right next to where you are.
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You don't even realize it. There's been a lot of
videos coming out recently of bigfoots right next to campsites
or the bigfoots are just kind of looking at them
as they walk by and then get caught on camera,
which is pretty cool. So another thing that you want
to do is basically bring a notebook or notepad or
some kind of something or even just put notes on
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your phone so you can write down with the witnesses
or type down with the witnesses told you. And if
you're lucky enough to let you, you can either record
their voice audio wise or also take a video, because
if you can go to that location where they had
their experience and record, then you can start to look
around for other evidence too. Hopefully the incident hasn't happened
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too long ago. Hopefully it's not years and years. Hopefully
it's just you know, a couple of weeks, a month,
a day or whatever, so that you can basically go
up there and start to document activity. All right, So
what to looking to listen for? To look for again?
Tree knocks, you want to listen for howse screens structures. Basically,
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when you go up there, there might be teepees you
mightn't want. We want to watch the ground. You look
for sticks and different weird arrangements that don't look normal.
You want to look for areas that have been trampled,
game game trails because Bigfoot two follow game trails. And
if you're up there and you're looking around, you're going, wait,
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they looks like somebody made a blind and you're in
the middle of nowhere and there aren't any hunters in
that area, and you know that, you know, And the
sticks are like there's like a branch pulled over like this,
and it's there's sticks interwoven into it, and maybe plants
have been pulled up and tree trunks have been putting
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into it, real weird. Then you might have something. If
it doesn't look like a natural man made structure, it
could possibly be a big foot structure. At that point
in time, you definitely want to make sure you have
your sample collection right. You want to look for hair samples.
You want to look for hair with skin on it,
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which is a great because then they can do a
better DNA analysis. You want to make sure you have
a test tube or something to put that sample into
a bag. Like I said, right down where you were
and all that stuff. Like I said before, if you
can get a plaster casting of a footprint, handprint, maybe
something laid down, Maybe you're lucky enough to find a
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nest what looks like a giant bird nest. Sometimes they'll
make they'll take and they'll push the ground out like
this and it's soft sand. They'll make like almost like
a bath pub. We found those at Joe's camp. He
had really soft sand where they pulled that apart, and honestly,
I think we walked in on while they were sleeping.
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Maybe they're just getting up and they just get daddled
out of there. That's when I was walked into a
big foot. And if you guys have probably heard that
story too, if you're a first time listener, to go
back and listen to come some of my old stories.
Hold on once just one second, Okay, So let me
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go back into researching area. So what I do again?
I look on on uh Google, on Google, I do
a Google search or whatever searching you need to use,
and then I, like I said, I look for clusters.
And when I'm looking for clusters, you can go back
and look. I've done many podcasts kind of tutorial videos
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on this before. I'm looking for areas where there's been
multiple sightings and I'm looking for more recent sightings. At
that point, I'm probably turning to social media, maybe going
into the Bigfoot groups and looking at that and saying,
maybe leaving a comment, has anybody had any sighting in
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this area or are there any witnesses from this area?
A lot of the time, especially here out in Texas,
people are very hesitant to come forward about their sightings.
They do not like to let people know that about
a sighting. They get ridiculed, which is silly. It's like
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everybody's like, no, no, no, you know, you didn't really
see that, or they're made fun of or whatever. It's
really sad. That really shouldn't happen. Everybody should just have
an open mind, and you know, that's just not how
society is anymore, unfortunately. But if you're lucky enough, you
leave a comment on there, so maybe somebody messages you
privately and you can get information that way. Maybe they're
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agreed to meet up with you or take you out
to the area to show you. And maybe if you're
lucky enough, they'll agree to be on camera or at
least audio. Then they can basically show you the area
where it happened, whatever happened. Like we had a client
where he was driving down the road in between like
an old dirt road in between two homesteads, and essentially
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this bigfoot came running down the river or ran up
the bank, climbed up over the barber wire, just stepped
basically stepped over our barf wire. He said it was
about eight to ten feet tall, ran across the road
to collect two steps across this road and it's it's
a single ane highway. Actually it's a double lane highway.
I'm sorry. So that's pretty good. I mean, that's that's
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quite The cape stepped over the other barber fence for
him back down into the creek and took off, and
by the time he got out of his car and
looked down there, it was gone. And he said that
he talked to the he knew the guys, the guy
that lived down there, and he had talked to him
about it, and he had he is also kind of
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into bigfoot, and he had his own bigfoot encounters on
his own property, so that bigfoot was basically hanging out
in that area. It was using the creek to go
up and down the roads. I mean yeah, to go
up and down and not be seen. So when you're
listening for tree knocks, one thing I'd recommend when you
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get out into the field you get to wherever you're going.
Number one, slow down, slow down, take your time, even
if you're not in your research area yet, slow down.
Look around. Do you see tree branches snapped? Do you
see any kind of structures footprints, start looking for footprints
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because sometimes you know, it's best to go out sometimes
after it's rained for a couple of days, because sometimes
they'll make the mistake of stepping in a muddy spot
and they do leave a footprint from time to time
if you're lucky enough that spot well, and didn't you know,
they'll undent their foot into the mud or whatever this
or whatever it is that's soft surface enough to leave
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a little bit of an endant and then you can
actually cast that if it's mud or sand or whatever,
as long as it's not full of water. That happened
to be multiple times of Joe's camp. He got a
lot of rain. They get a lot of rain because
he lives on the Texas. He's in the border East
Texas gets quite a bit of rain, even more than
we can hear. And we went out there to cast
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a footprint and it's full of water, and so we're
like taking a little plastic spoon and trying to get
the water out, and as we're doing it, the whole
footprints just collapsing in on us, and we're like, oh,
but we document it, We get a video of it,
we get we put our hand down next to it,
or a water bottle next to it, or I carry
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a tape measure. It's important to if you can carry
a little tape measure. I know it's how to wait,
but if you can carry a little tape measure, you
can at least mark how a long cast is, I
mean how long on the foot, pronounce how wide it
is and h. Then you can get a really good
picture of it too. That way, but always document everything.
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Always have your video camera running. One thing I learned
I got out of my car one time. It chose
camp and I've told the story before, but I just
pulled up and I think they knew the sound of
my bronco. The bayfoots did. And this is why this
must have been like the dominant male. So this thing
was huge, I mean literally huge. So I get out
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and I left my handcam in the passenger seat right,
hadn't turned it on or anything, just to had it out.
I had had the little battery attached to it, was
ready to go old home. Sony hening cam and it's
not quite dark. His property had a lot of huge
pine trees, so basically it was it was kind of shady.
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But so I get out and Joe comes walking over
and work shit chatting, and I turned and I saw
a movement out into the corner of my arms, kind
of standing this way, and he was kind of standing
this way, and I see movement out of the corner
of my eye up his property and his field. His
property was like a football field. There was two old
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logging roads that kind of zigzagged its way up to
the top of his property, and then one that kind
of zig zagged across this way about the middle of
his property. And it's all washed out now because he
has lots of He had lots of natural spring excuse me,
which I think drew the big foots down to that area.
By the way, if you're ever looking for a good
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spot to look to research, I meanwhere the natural springs
is always good because usually there's water sources. Not always,
but most of the time they're at least dribbling a
little bit. And that's clean fresh water that's filtered from
the ground. I wouldn't drink it without boiling it or
filtering it, and or bolf but possibly an animal that
could be out there, right, So this is all possibilities.
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So essentially we're saying I get out there and we're
chit chatting. I'm saying hello, I see movement out of
the corner of myne and he had a pine tree
that was probably three feet in diameter, right, and this
thing had to be pushing one hundred feet tall or taller.
And right behind it was his blind. And his blind
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was we need about six feet wide, because I helped
them build it. It was about five feet off the
ground and where the roof was, and this thing probably
just above the knees, and then down below that I'm
just got even be more specific here down below is
that it kind of the it kind of dropped down
a little bit. That's where the road was. I keep
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hitting this stupid mic uh. So that's where the road was,
and it kind of sloped down about three or four
feet right. So that made the top of his blind
about eight feet tall. So standing next to the right,
basically right behind the blind, all we can see is
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about it is about like chest hot. We can see
about like the stomach area of this thing eight feet
tall right and above it there's these huge branches that
come out ten fifteen feet beautiful tree and very thick,
very full of needles and stuff like that, and all
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of a sudden, we just see them brig just like
split up about twelve feet up, you know, but another
four five feet above is blind and you'd see something
kind of like, you know, tilt this body down sideways,
like if I was leaning to my right with the
branches open, so I could see through the branches and
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this thing sitting there staring at us, and I'm like, oh,
he's like, you got your camera. I'm like it's in
the car. So I'm like, yeah, I just got to
walk back to my car for something. I said it
out loud, so telling this thing, Oh, I'm not going
for my camera, right, yeah, right. So the time I
get to the camera, I turned around and I'm like,
this is Stiller. He's like, no, it's going. It took
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about a one step and disappeared back into the forest.
So I gave Chase. I ran over there, and I
couldn't find I couldn't even find a footprint. It was
really dry at that point in time. But yeah, wherever
it went, I don't know where it went. It must
have gone back further into the trees. The front half
of his property was forested, and then in the middle
he had about a thirty forty foot section that he
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cleared all the trees and kind of trying to make
a location where he could you know, he had his camp,
he had his trailers, he had multiple trailers, and then
he had just gotten rid of the one in the middle,
so that area was open now. But essentially, yeah, that
was really cool to have that experience. I did see
that one later on. I don't know if it was
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that year or the year after. We researched at Joe's
camp for almost five years, and so later on I
did see that one. I caught a mind stride. Literally
one foot was on one side of the road, the
other foot was on the other side of the road.
So it was literally like, you know, kind of like
looking like it looked like a tree to me. And
I've told this story before too, and I'll get back
into the other stuff and just the minute hair guys,
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but literally, it looked like a tree and it was
just standing there and mid middle of the day, I'm like, Joe,
is there a tree there? He looked up, He's like no,
So I had We were actually sitting at a table
and I had the monocular, not night vision, just daytime,
and so I'm zooming in I'm like, holy crap, it's
a big foot. And it had to be standing fifteen
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sixteen seventeen eighteen feet tall. It was tall. It took
up the whole road. I mean, it was as big
as I mean, it was just dianormous, probably the biggest
one I'd ever seen. But I zoomed in on the eye.
This one was solid black, and I zoomed on the eye,
and he always told me it looks they looked like
there were in sunglasses, and I'm like, that's weird. So
I'm looking at the eye and the eyes is the
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size of a base. I'm like, what the hell. And
I'm looking at the pupil and it's actually solid white.
So I don't know if they have some kind of
had some kind of a lens that come over their
eyes for the day that helps them walk around and
see during the day, or causes them not to have
such a harsh reaction, or maybe the sun was actually
reflecting off the skin. That's the only other thing I
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can think of. Maybe it was reflecting off the skin
making the skin kind of look white instead of dark,
and then the eyeball. Maybe maybe I don't know. I'm
still trying to figure that one out. Anyways, if you
guys have had an experience like that, calming down below,
let me hear about it, all right. So anyways, that's
why you always have to have the camera run ready
to roll, especially if you're in the area where you
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know there's bigfoots. So what I'd recommend is that when
you go into a location, like I've said this multiple
times in multiple podcasts, I'm gonna say it again. You
get there, take your time, look around, listen, you know,
make sure you're smelling, you know, smell, since the smell
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is good. Make sure you can smell really well because
all of your senses will basically tell you if you're
in the right place or not. Slowly, but surely, take
a look around three sixty don't you know, just because
there are no trees or whatever on the other side
of where you're at, you know, or maybe on a
road and maybe pulled over on the side of the
road you saw something in the trees, tree line, Go
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walk down there if you're able to safely do it,
walk down, take a look around. Have If you don't
have a video camera with you, you've got a perfect
tool in your hand. Unless it's nighttime. Turn your video
camera on. Turn your video camera on, look around as
long as it's safe to go down in that area,
and worst case scenario GPS it Okay, I'm coming back
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here during the day, and then really take a look
around and then look at your pins. Hey, there's a
bigfoot hot spot like a mile or two away. Bigfoots
just because there's a hot spot in one area doesn't
mean they won't wander around that area. If you can,
like I said, if you can find a place where
there's three pins, four pins, four sidings, five sidings, ten sidings,
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and then you see another cluster like five miles away
or in the next community, county, whatever, and then maybe
you find another set of pins up in that other county,
look and see it. Does it form a triangle? Does
it former circle? That area in between might be an
area in research. And again you guys can go back
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to my old videos where I do this. And then
also sometimes with Google, where you drop a pin, if
you're next to a road or something like that, you
can actually drop that. You can drop that little character
down on that road and you can actually visually look around.
So even though that might be three years old, two
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years old, a year old, you can still get a
visual look. The next thing I'd recommend is actually just
doing a daytime drive by. If it's not too far away,
and if you have the time, why not hop in
the car, go out and take a look. If it's
an hour away, two hours away, five minutes away, whatever,
go take a look around again. Always make sure you
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have something you cancord with audio and video. Look and
see what is there. Are you seeing any signs of bigfoot?
You know, if there's somebody around, maybe somebody lives there.
If you're brave enough, if you see somebody out on
that property, maybe wave at them. Hey, how you doing.
My name is Matt. I'm out here looking for things
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that don't exist? Have you seen one of these? At
the time you get these weird looks like okay, he's nuts,
or the other half the time you get oh well yeah,
I kind of you know, very since the ever or
they come out, Yeah, that damn big foot. He drives
me nuts. You know, I've got I've got the decals
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in my car and people stop me all the time. Hey,
you know I've seen one along the Browsers River. I
just talked to a guy recently. He has a farm
right over off the Bross River, right over by where
I work. Those damn things come in and steal, you know,
my corn, and they steal you know, stuff, my vegetables.
And I've never heard him stealing a chicken, but sometimes
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they do take livestalk. And so he was very adamant
how much he hates them and how much they smell.
And I got a pin drop from him, which is amazing,
and one of these days hopefully I'll be able to
get a hold of him again. And he said, just
you know, go out to the Bross River. They're out
along the Brows's River, which I've heard many times. All Right, So, okay,
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so you're listen for tree knocks, you're listening for howse
you're looking for tracks, you're looking for structure. I do
think that if you get an opportunity to get into
an area like I did with Joe's and Black Star Canyon,
they do tree knocks at certain times, Like Joe lived
with them for eighteen years, almost nineteen years, and the
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last time I came up there, I hear the first
thing I hear is like, what the hell tree knock?
Then they are okay, there's another one and then they
are like off in the distance in different locations, and
there was about five of them, and I'm talking to
Joe and we're both sitting there quiet, and he goes, yeah,
that happens every day around noon. I'm like, oh, okay,
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I think that really is them trying to communicate with
each other. Where are you? Maybe they're out hunting. You
know a lot of people say, oh, bigfoots don't come
out during the day. Yeah, I think they do. I
don't think they're just nocturnal. I think they hunt and night.
I think they move as they want to and as
they're hungry. I mean, if you're hungry, you're gonna go
We can go to the cupboard, right and grab some
food or something to go to the fridge, or go
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buy something from somewhere and eat it. I don't think
Bicklet's any different. I think if they're hungry, they're gonna eat.
If they're thirsty, they're gonna go drink. They're not gonna,
you know, just because oh it's not nighttime, I can't
go out. I think they're gonna be more cautious. Maybe
they're gonna take their time, They're gonna be more of work,
walking through the dark. They have an advantage. They can
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see in the dark and much better than we can probably.
But anyways, all right, okay, so evidence review, so you
really have to be careful and with anything paranormal really,
but especially bigfoot, you really have to learn what's what.
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And you know, a lot of people out here they
know every noise in the forest. I'm still learning, but
you know, they know every last noise. They know the
noise that coyote makes, they know a noise deer make.
Deer makes some really crazy noises. A lot of times
they can sound like a bigfoot. There's birds that sound
like a damn screaming woman, you know. Parnow can make
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a noise that sounds like somebody's being bloody murdered, and
sometimes that's associated with bigfoot. So you really have to
be careful with what you present as evidence when you're
breaking down your evidence, and maybe you caught something cool,
maybe share in a group, Hey guys, what is this,
and don't present it as bigfoot evidence. Ask somebody else,
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especially if you're still learning. I'm constantly learning. You know,
people tell me, oh, that's this, that's that. Uh, you know,
you hear me. If you've ever seen any of our
documentation of bigfoots. You're hear me like my ears perk
up and I'm like, no, I'm going, okay, what's that?
What's that noise? You know, I have an advantage. Now
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I'm at a disadvantage because my hearing sucks, but with
my hearing aids and I hear other things that other
people don't, and I have different settings. I can set
on my hearing aids so I can hear like every
single noise and I'm hearing I'm going, okay, what in
the hell who's walking around? Who's walking around? And the
like we're not moving that like, but there's something and
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nobody else can hear it from me, And it's like, okay,
I'm hoping that we're recording this on the recorder, right,
I did the audio recorder of the video recorder. So yeah,
you gotta really be careful what you present as evidence,
whether it's a photo of video and audio clip, how smells,
take a look at it if you're not sure, if
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you know, for us, if I can't say that it's
a big foot for sure, I don't present it as evidence.
I might put a photo out there, but our standard
is it has to be really be. Something has to
be able to look at it and go, yeah, I
think that's a bigfoot. It can't be well, there's something
standing behind the tree, or there's something standing in the bush,
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or that might be an arm or I think I
see something. I really want it to be that money shot. Right.
We're not going to present something, you know, we do
present eyeshine. And I think that's pretty good because these
things are elusive. They're very hard to document. They know
what you're doing, and they get curious to you. They
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can you know, we're they're as curious about us as
we are them. And I think it kind of becomes
a game of okay, what are they doing? Okay, look
and take a look, and I might, you know, might
get my eyes seen, but I'm not gonna get seen.
My body's not gonna get seen. Right. It's it's how
close can they get without essentially showing themselves. And sometimes
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they make mistake and stuff like that. One thing, if
you're putting out trailcams, do not put them out low.
Don't put them two feet off the ground, three feet
off the ground unless there's just no other place to
put it and you just cannot get it up in
a tree, or get out up high facing down, angle
them down. If this is a trail cam, I want
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this to be, you know, not way down here. I
want it to be up here, and I want it
to be tilted down. I want to see the bigfoot
walk by from I understand a lot of people, A
lot of people have told me this. Now. I do
think they climb trees, so but a lot of people
have told me that they do not look up when
they walk. There's an eagle cam where you look and
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they weren't trying to capture bigfoot, but a bigfot literally
walks by as they're watching the eagles feed their babies.
That's a pretty famous picture. And there's a few other
trapcam photos like that where the camera's up hot. I mean,
we got one where Joe had a camera up eighteen
feet in a tree and it's angle. He had to
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put a stick in behind, a couple of sticks in
it behind it to really get it tilted at a
forty five decre angle, and we possibly caught a bigfoot
coming out from behind the blind looking at a deer,
and then as soon as the deer moved, it literally
came back. So that's something cool that we got. But
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you really have to be careful what you present as evidence.
This day and age, it's a little looser than it
was when we, at least the first started doing this,
But I would just be careful, don't basically post everything
as a big foot. Get other people's advice, you know,
and and don't be don't get upset if somebody disproves
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your evidence. I mean it's time somebody will have you know,
have tell you what it is. And it happens to
us a lot. But I mean at ten percent of
the time that if you're lucky you get ten percent
of the time, you're good. So really make sure that
you put stuff on a screen when you're listening back.
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Maybe we're headphones. Play for other people any audio clips,
see what they say, especially if you have we're lucky
enough out here to have a lot of people but
are in the wilderness a lot, and they know the
noises of the forest, and we can play it for them,
and now they go, I have never heard anything like that.
Or they'll draw, will just draw, which is cool. That
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means you really possibly have something. Or you'll essentially they'll say, oh,
that's a deer that's a rabbit. Oh, and then you'll
look up that other evident and you'll look up the
sound of that animal and on Google whatever, and you
listen to you're like, oh crap, it's the same thing. Okay,
so then you got it. One thing I always say
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is safety first. If it's not safe, don't go in
that area. Don't put your life in danger. Don't puny
of houses life in danger. If you're carrying any kind
of a protective device, whether it be a sharp one
or a one that you aim and shoot, do not
draw your weapon unless you're you know one hundred percent
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you're in danger. Number one, if you if you have
an encounter with the big foot, more than likely you're
gonna probably gonna miss or even if you do put
a bullet into it, you're just gonna piss it off,
and it's going to probably hurt you rather than it'll
it'll feel like you're even more of a threat. Then
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if you just leave it holstered and you kind of
just put your hands up like this and maybe you
step back, or maybe you kind of bow your head
down and step back, or or maybe just down your
ground and don't follow them, let them back off. Don't
corner them. That is what I'm trying to say. I
always leave them out. You want to experience them, you
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want to document them, but you don't want to You
don't want to get hurt. You don't want the bigfoot
to get hurt, and you don't want anybody with you
to get hurt. Be very careful where you're walking. Careful
if you're walking around without gloves on, you've got to
be careful where you put your hands. Really easy to
get get punctured or bitten or whatever. Oh it smells
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when you're out there. You don't really want to have
any smells on you, So bug spray stuff like that.
I mean, you can smell on a mile away. Are
sent They can probably smell us a long ways away.
I mean, they probably already know that we're coming. Number one.
They could probably hear us. Number two. They can probably
smell us. They're probably aware that you're in their territory
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before you can get into their territory if you're lucky enough,
Sometimes you stumble upon them or they stumble upon you.
But like I said, if you have a really close encounter,
don't freak out. Try not to freak out. Just back away.
Or just stand your ground, let them back away, and
just enjoy the experience. I know a lot of people
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get freaked out, Oh my god, you know, I'm never
going back in the forest. But just have a mindset
that you're not gonna harm And like I said, dear
back to document anything that you're experiencing. I mean, once
you have your first experience, it's mind blowing. It really is.
Whether you're a believer or skeptical whatever. Even if you've
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seen them multiple times like I have, it's still like,
oh my gosh, whoa You know that for me at least,
So just be careful, don't ever trespass. Always get permission
to be on wherever you're at. Because if you go
into that land and you have an experience and you
get a really cool piece of evidence or there's a
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lot of a lot of cool stuff there, maybe there's
some tree, tree structures, some TPS footprints, maybe your vocalization
or tree knock, and then whoever owns that property, or
if you're on federal land or private land, that person
comes out and reacts. You know, oh, then you're in
trouble number one or number two. You're running for your
life because they're they're you know, protecting their land. And
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then then you can't go back into the area. But
if you've you've come to an area where there's okay,
this is you know, I can't go into here, but
I can see stuff in the in the distance, it's
better to get that information from that person and see
if you can get permission to go on their link.
It's more than likely they're gonna let you go on there.
But anyways, like I said, always be respectful to everyone,
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including your fellow researchers and the people that are out there.
I mean, they have to live with bigfoot, and sometimes
I can be pretty scary, especially if they're you know,
interacting with the people. Always go you know, I say
this always good. Don't go alone. Let us put that way.
Always have a buddy or take your wife, take your girlfriend,
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take your boyfriend, take a friend, take a you know whoever,
take another enthusiast with you. Go up there and stay together.
And like I said, when you're wandering up there, have
a plan for what you're going to to do. Don't
just go wandering through the forest stumbling and bumbling. You know,
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have a plan. Okay, we're gonna go a certain amount
in and then also be under the You know, I've
had this happen a couple of times because I go slow.
When I go up there, my brain my eyes go
you know, like open real open, My ears pop open,
and my my senses go crazy. I'm constantly like looking up,
looking down, looking everywhere for any science. And literally, if
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you can walk into Bigfoot's a living room or an
area where they live right and you can just trudging
through there like a you know, a runaway car, they're
gonna be on the defensive. I talked about this before.
I come walking in slowly and I'm just kind of
looking around and I don't look threatening, and I'm just
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kind of, you know, taking my time and looking around.
They're gonna go, what the heck is this guy doing.
They might you know, trigger their curiosity. Maybe you'll have
a better chance of having an encounter, or it might
just turn and walk away from you, or it might
just hunker down and wait till you leave. You never know.
But if you do find a tree structure, you find
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a tepee, or you're lucky enough to find maybe a
bed of theirs or any kind of anything a footprint,
be respectful to it. Just document it if you know.
Of course you're going to destroy the footprint if you
cast it, but don't destroy the homes. Don't destroy the
structures because I mean, imagine if you if somebody came
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into your living room and tore it up, you'd be
pretty pissed off, right, and you want to be respectful.
So that basically, now you've found a cool location, you
know they're in that area, and if you want to
go back, and you know, if they've seen you come in,
I'm pretty sure they'll they'll probably know that you've come
into their territory, even if after you've gone, the'll probably
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smell your sins. You want to make sure you haven't
left anything damaged or anything like that, and they might
be a little bit more Again, they might take all
this with a grain of salt. They might be a
little bit more open to you actually coming back. But
if you come in you've knocked down their structure and
stuff like that, they're probably gonna be very aggressive towards you,
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chase you out and not want you back in that area.
So yeah, always and those uh you know, like I said,
travel with somebody else. Let somebody know where you're going,
what your plan is. Because then if something does happen,
you don't come back, or you're late coming back, or
hey he's not answering the phone, it's the next day.
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He hasn't checked in. They know where you went. They
can come looking for you, because a lot of the
time bigfoot research, do you end up getting hurt. You fall,
you break a leg, you slip, you you go off
into an area and all of a sudden you get lost.
GPS doesn't work, no cell phone service, YadA, YadA, YadA,
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and then essentially you have an issue. So in my
closing thoughts, again, just be open minded. I don't care
if you're a skeptic, a believer, a knower, a non believer,
you're on the fence, whatever, Just be open Remember to
be respectful to these animals. You know they live in
the forest and this is their house, their living room
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there or whatever whatever you want to think of is
just make sure you have the gear that you think
you're gonna need. Don't forget an evidence kit. I've done
that multiple times. Gone out there and oh there's a
hair sample, Oh there's a footprint, and I you know
you can't cast it because you don't have your plastic
casting or hey, look at this cool structure, and thank
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god I had one of these, right, and a phone
that I could basically go through and document video wise.
Also when you document anything picture wise or whatever, landscape, guys,
escape don't do the small little picture, do the landscape
because a lot of these phones are are very good now,
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they're very high makeing pixels. So what if you miss something?
If you do the smaller square, they'll the phone upright
portrait mode and you try and zoom in, that picture
is going to be a little more pixelated, right, So
when it's long ways, it's a little bit more there's
more pixels in it, meaning there's just a little more
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squares in there. So when you zoom in. A lot
of the times when people don't realize is in pictures.
When you take pictures of areas where bigfoots are, there's
actually a bigfoot in the picture, and when you start
kind of looking in through around you're like, oh, wait,
there's a bigfoot back there. But if it's too small,
it's just going to be pixelating. You won't be able
to see it at all. A lot of the time
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you have to really zoom in to see it and
think all these phones are much better now. But anyways,
like I said, be respectful to everyone around you. Don't trustpass,
go in pairs, make sure you have everything you think
you're gonna need. Always always over prepared, trying not to
pack your pack too heavy. Make sure you pack whatever
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you think you need to need. I carry a baseball bat.
Sometimes I bring trail cams. If I'm going to be
in that area for a long period of time. Always
put the trail cams up as high as you can
get them and hangle them down. Then we got a
cat up here, mister Banks is saying hello to us.
So yeah, if you guys have any questions, leave them
down in the comments below. I'm getting over in my
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cats here, but yeah, leave comments down below and I'll
try and answer them as best I can. Hopefully I
didn't miss anything, but yeah, I'm just basically covering the basics.
I have other videos. If you go back through our podcasts,
I have other videos where I go through in detail
about research location and how to find them, how to
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