Forever Knight (Season 3 Ep 10) - "Night in Question" - Come in 81 Kilo: A Forever Knight Podcast

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Doctor (00:06):
Something. No. No. Nothing. Nothing yet.
No pulse.

Nurse (00:10):
Continued compression. How long has he been down?

Rachel (00:15):
19 minutes.

Nurse (00:17):
No pulse, no rhythm, no cardiac output. Let's call it.
Note the time. It's 12:36. Deathoccurred at 12:36 AM.
Called the ME. Cease isidentified as metro Police
detective Nicholas Knight.

Rachel (00:40):
Hi. I'm Rachel.

Matt (00:41):
And I'm Matt. And this is

Rachel (00:43):
Come In 81 kilo.

Matt (00:45):
A forever night podcast.

Rachel (01:36):
Welcome back, friends. It's time for another episode.
Forever Knight season 3 episode10, night in question. You know,
it's funny. I was talking toKate, and she was like, how much
longer do you have on thatforever night?
The the forever night podcast?And, of course, she's never seen
it or heard of it.

Matt (01:56):
Right. She hasn't listened to any episodes?

Rachel (01:57):
No. And I said, well, you know, we got 10 episodes, 12
episodes left in the season, andthen we'll be all finished. And
she goes, oh, you guys aregoing, like, episode by episode?
I said, yeah. Like, what have webeen talking about for a year
and a half?
We were just thinking, and she'slike, oh, you're like a super
fan cast.

Matt (02:19):
Sure.

Rachel (02:20):
Okay. Well, I just thought that was really funny
to, like, oh, like, what wouldwe be doing?

Matt (02:24):
She didn't know how seriously you were taking this
whole thing.

Rachel (02:28):
I can't imagine what it would be like to, like, try to
group episodes because none ofthe plot lines are sequential.

Matt (02:35):
Right. There's no

Rachel (02:36):
So you can't see

Matt (02:37):
season story arcs.

Rachel (02:38):
They're each one or each one's like a short story that
sometimes relates to the othersand sometimes doesn't.

Matt (02:45):
It's like the weekly comic strip.

Rachel (02:46):
It's like I you couldn't group them. You couldn't group
them and do them justice. So,anyway, I'm happy with our
format, but I thought that wasreally funny.

Matt (02:56):
Well, you could skim through multiple episodes in one
podcast episode.

Rachel (03:03):
I mean, I guess, but at the same time, like, I wouldn't
feel good about it. Like, Iwouldn't feel like we really
touched on everything I wantedto touch on.

Matt (03:12):
Yeah.

Rachel (03:12):
Because the fun comes in picking these apart and really
talking about what are theytrying to say, and what did they
actually say, and what was justflat out ridiculous, and what
was fun and what was funny andwhat was intentionally funny and
what was unintentionally funnyand, you know, all the things
that we like to do. And I bringthis up because, when I put this

(03:34):
episode on, you were like, oh,it's this one because you've
probably seen this episode. LikeYeah. I don't know. Like, a lot.
Because if I sit down and I'mlike, I'm gonna put an episode
on 1 like a slam dunk. I lovethis episode. I know I'm gonna
love it. It's my favorite.Probably CurioSear and CurioSear
is my favorite, and this isprobably number 2.
And I put it on a lot. So you'veseen this one a lot. So we we

(03:58):
maybe we'll have a little bitmore fun chatting about this one
because this was not fresh foryou at all. You had absolutely
seen this episode before. And tome, this episode is sort of a
bit like curiouser and curiouserwhere the events that happen in
it literally have nothing to dowith anything ever ever ever

(04:19):
again.
It's almost an alternatereality. Part of

Matt (04:22):
the story is What

Rachel (04:25):
would happen if happening

Matt (04:26):
between the characters.

Rachel (04:27):
What would happen if Nick lost all of his memories?
We got one of these up these arealways my favorite. These are
always my favorite episode. Wegot one of these in true blood,
and it's, like, one of the fewepisodes in true blood that I
genuinely enjoyed and watchedmultiple times. And it's the one
where Eric loses his memory, andhe ends up with Sookie.
And, it's just AlexanderSkarsgard being, like, sweet and

(04:49):
protective and slightlypsychotic and just adorable, and
I love it. He doesn't forgethe's a vampire. He just forgets
everything about his life,whereas Nick forgets everything.
Except

Matt (05:02):
English and how to drive his car and how to get to the
warehouse. And

Rachel (05:08):
Yeah. Oh, we're gonna get there. Don't worry.

Matt (05:11):
It's How
do you
use the elevator that's not in the elevator?

Rachel (05:14):
It's on my notes. Because I was like, wait. Does
he just remember the map?Because they tell him once the
crossroads where the, warehouseis, and that's the only time
it's mentioned to him. And yethe knows how to get there
immediately, but you know what?
You're making me get ahead ofmyself here.

Matt (05:31):
We I guess we're still waiting on the flashback to,
like, the founding of Torontowhen he was the partner of the
city planner that laid out thestreet plan and the names and
everything.

Rachel (05:43):
Right.

Matt (05:43):
And so it's, like, burned into his memory, like, language.

Rachel (05:48):
Okay.

Matt (05:49):
That's how he can navigate. That's how the Toronto
Mothman navigates the streets sowell.

Rachel (05:55):
Maybe it's like in, the first Good Omen season when
Crowley, helps design the thehighway that goes around London,
and he Oh, yeah. He arranges itdemonic symbol. This demonic
symbol. Yeah. So maybe it's likethat.
I don't know. We get demons inthe next episode. So we start

(06:17):
out with, they're rushing intothe hospital, and we just get
the top of somebody's head on arunning, and they're like, oh my
god. Bloody matted hair. There'sno pulse.
There's no rhythm. Let's getthis guy back to life or
whatever. And so we're doingchest compressions, and we're
shocking him. And yet, somehow,through all of this, we haven't

(06:38):
ripped his shirt off because,God forbid, God forbid. Even the
square like, you know what weget?
We get his, like, I wonder if heused a body double for the scene
where Natalie pulls his shirt upand you get to see like the
space just below his ribs. Is helike, no, no, that can't be me.
We got him. Like, when they usea body double for nudity scenes,

(07:01):
that counted. Like, no.
That's too much. But,apparently, this guy has been
down for 19 minutes, becausethey're trying to bring him
back. They're trying everythingthey can, and then they're like,
well, how long has he been down?19 minutes since the doctor's
like, it's cool. We'll call it.
Like, it's 12:36 AM. Deceased isidentified as Metro Police
detective Nicholas Knight, andthen it, like

Matt (07:23):
Bum bum bum. Like,

Rachel (07:24):
pans over, and he's laying there with his neck brace
on. Oh, no. He did. And shesays, call the Emmy, which is
lucky because, again, he's realfucking lucky he made friends
with Natalie.

Matt (07:37):
It's so convenient.

Rachel (07:38):
What does he do in other situations? Does he just, like

Matt (07:42):
I guess he just pretend to be

Rachel (07:44):
dead You leave.

Matt (07:45):
Until Yeah. You get left alone.

Rachel (07:46):
You pretend to die, and then you leave. And then we go
to the end.

Matt (07:50):
Except in this case, he wouldn't because he lost his
memories.

Rachel (07:54):
Well, I guess he'd go outside and just burn to death.

Matt (07:56):
You just Oh my god. You just wake up Yeah. And, like, in
the hospital morgue, and they'dbe like, what? Like, how did I
get here? Who am I?

Rachel (08:08):
What's happening here?

Matt (08:09):
Oh, let let's get you some fresh air.

Rachel (08:12):
That's when Lacroix shows up again. We'd like he
does in this.

Matt (08:16):
Lacroix is there to run interference.

Rachel (08:18):
Yeah. Yeah. And I think the only reason Lacroix isn't
just, like, murdering andremoving him forcibly from the
hospital is because he he oweshim a favor, apparently. And,
like, this is the moment he'sgonna cash this in. No.
Nothing has happened since. Whatis it? The Bolshevik revolution?

(08:39):
What is happening?

Matt (08:40):
What what's

Rachel (08:42):
because they're speaking Russian. He's got a fancy, like,
furry hat with many, manybuttons.

Matt (08:49):
He's dressed up like a drum major. He's supposed to be
like a about to be marching downthe road

Rachel (08:56):
I don't know. Leading a band. If this is the Bolshevik
revolution, then it's, like, 19ten ish. Yeah. Yeah.
The same time that Sean Conneryarrives at Wimbledon? Ten ish.
Ten ish. That joke never getsold. No.
Okay. We come back, and Tracyand Reese are in the waiting

(09:18):
room. And Tracy Tracy has, like,a bloody jacket. Like, it's
pretty graphic what she wentthrough. She went through some
shit.
This woman has been throughshit. Okay? She's already been
kidnapped by a serial killer.She already had to murder
somebody on the job. Oh, youknow, she had to shoot somebody
on the job in self defense.
Yeah. She just has already gonethrough so much, and I just you

(09:47):
know, it's funny, actually. Iwas thinking about that crack
you made last time about how sheis the Daniel Day Lewis of
undercover police officers. Andit reminded me because I wanted
to watch this one episode offorever night, and I did because
you weren't here. And so I gotto just watch forever night
recreationally.
So I watched the season 1episode. I watched danced by the

(10:09):
light of the moon becausethere's a scene towards the end
where he, like, walks out of theshadow, and it's one of the
coolest scenes in the wholeshow. And I just wanted to, like
I don't know. I'd been thinkingabout that scene, and so I
wanted to watch it becausethat's how my mind works. And so
I was watching it, and Irealized he pulls a Tracy in
that episode.
Because, remember, he's being anasshole to everybody

Matt (10:31):
in the

Rachel (10:31):
entire episode because he's trying to get on the side
of the sex worker lady, the,lady who saves Anne Foley.

Matt (10:39):
You'd you'd talked about how, for him, it's really easy
to just switch his personalitiesbecause he's had to be different
people. He's had to switch uphis life so many times.

Rachel (10:52):
Right.

Matt (10:52):
And so for him, he's going undercover as an asshole
douchebag. Yeah. And he's ableto just fully commit to it
because he's been that before.

Rachel (11:03):
Right. So he pulls a Tracy.

Matt (11:04):
Yeah.

Rachel (11:05):
Yeah. So I was like, well, maybe that's why he's so
understanding. He's like, well,this is a phase. I did the same
thing at the beginning too.

Matt (11:11):
He can see himself in her when she's when he sees how she
does her police work.

Rachel (11:17):
Right. But Reese is comforting Tracy. He's, you
know, like, oh, you're okay.This wasn't you. And this is
when the doctor comes out, andshe's like, look.
We did everything we could, buthe didn't make it. And Tracy is
so sorry.

Matt (11:34):
Sorry.

Rachel (11:35):
Sorry. We watched Slings and Arrows with, Meg for, Gare
Can Get It, which if you haven'tnoticed, Gear Can Get It has
started airing, so it will becoming out every Sunday. If
you're expecting order, don't.It's sort of what can we
stomach. Also, Gare's size ofrole varies so greatly that it's

(11:58):
difficult to, like, go in orderbecause it's like, well, here's
the thing he was in in 1980where he was in it for 30
seconds.
So let's talk about that. No.Some of those things are gonna
get grouped. So Care Can Get Ithas started airing, but we
watched slings and arrowsbecause he is in a season of
slings and arrows as a characternamed, Henry Breedlove.

Matt (12:20):
Yes. Yes.

Rachel (12:22):
And there's a character in there, a woman who says that
she's sorry constantly. And soMeg was watching it, and she
must have, like, hit her thatthis woman sounded extremely
Canadian every time she saidsorry, because she goes, sorry,
every time. And so Tracy is alsosorry. And Reese is like, no.

(12:44):
It's nobody's fault, but the guywho pulled the trigger.
Don't this isn't you. You didn'tput him in this position. You
didn't get him shot. The man whoshot him shot him. I don't wanna
hear anymore about it being yourfault.
And she actually has, like, amemory because she's like, I'm
trying to remember. Like, I'mtrying to remember what this guy
looked like. And she gets ablack and white memory because

(13:07):
all of our present day memoriesare black and white in this. And
she remembers, like, turningNick over, and his head wound is
super graphic. Like, maybebecause it's black and white,
they felt like they could makehim really bloody, but, like,
that wouldn't be reallytraumatic to see because
there's, like, a puddle ofblood, and then his hair is all

(13:29):
bloody.

Matt (13:30):
Well, it on on the other hand, it was probably, like,
really nice because pretty muchevery other time she interacts
with Nick, she can't see what'sgoing on in his head.

Rachel (13:48):
Don't even. Did you oh my god. It's too soon. That's
not okay. Wow.
Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah.I'm sure Tracy really
appreciates that joke afterseeing, like, her her partner's

(14:08):
brain matter on the floor.Gross.
So Natalie arrives. Just, weknow we're just gonna it was
like we went over a speed bump,and we're just gonna Let's go

Matt (14:19):
back to his deal.

Rachel (14:20):
Keep on that's exactly how we deal with you. So Natalie
arrives, and she's like, where'sNick? And they're like, oh my
god, Natalie. I am so sorry.Which He did not make it.

Matt (14:30):
If if the hospital had called her to come over Yeah.
She should have

Rachel (14:36):
She knew it already. She just walked in and was like,
where where is he? What's goingon? Or she could have already
been on the way, and they couldhave called the Emmy's office,
but she was already en route.

Matt (14:45):
Okay. I was thinking she probably has an administrative
contact in the hospital that shewould go to instead of acting.

Rachel (14:52):
How she well, I mean

Matt (14:53):
It's probably just more conversational.

Rachel (14:55):
Yeah. Oh, also, like, I'm here. Where is he? What's
going on? And so she runs in,and they're like, oh my god,
Natalie.
I'm so sorry. He is not amongthe living anymore. And she's
like, spoiler alert. He neverwas. But

Matt (15:07):
That's not news.

Rachel (15:08):
That's not news. And she's really not hearing it.
She's like, okay. Okay. So whereis he, though?
And so she ends up, while she'shaving this conversation, we cut
back to, the detective, the gooddetective who is lying in bed.
And this nurse comes in, andshe's like, I gotta schedule a
pickup. We need to get this guydown to the morgue because he's

(15:30):
sitting here and things arehappening. We need to, like, get
this body out of here. And hetakes a, nice deep breath, and
she's like, oh, shit.
That's not normal. Like

Matt (15:43):
That's not how the bodies spasm.

Rachel (15:45):
They breathe out, but they don't really, you know,
inhale. That requires, like,work. And so Natalie pops in
just as she spins around, like,she spins around, and Natalie is
right there. And she's like, oh,hi. This guy's alive.
And she goes, well, then youbetter go get some help. And so
this lady runs off, and Natalieruns in to care for Nick in the

(16:09):
way that only she knows how todo. And she, like, rips her
jacket off, which in case you'recounting, this is number 1. The
first time she takes her jacketoff in this episode, pretty much
every time she walks into ascene in this episode, she's
wearing the same outfit. And

Matt (16:22):
She she went to a seminar, and they were like, when you
walk into a scene, you need toestablish your presence. Like,
I'm gonna stay in this sceneYeah. By taking your jacket off.
And she's like, alright. I'mgonna practice that.

Rachel (16:33):
Yeah. And if you pay attention, she doesn't have
anywhere to put it, so shethrows it on the ground. So when
they wheel him off, it's, like,kicked up in the corner because
there's no chair or

Matt (16:42):
anything for

Rachel (16:42):
a drape it on. Yeah. I watched a somebody else watched
forever night and mentioned iton Instagram.

Matt (16:51):
Like Why?

Rachel (16:52):
I know. And she's a pretty big creator. I think her
name is Gingerlocks. I'll findit, and I'll put it in the
thing. But she was like, listen,if you guys need something to
watch, I know the perfectvampire telenovela.
And she Telenovela. Shedescribed forever night as a
telenovela, and I have neverfelt so validated in my entire

(17:14):
life. This is a fuckingtelenovela. It the drama

Matt (17:19):
Yeah.

Rachel (17:20):
The and this is the most telenovela episode. The dude
wakes up from a coma and hasamnesia. You don't get more
textbook telenovela than that.Okay? So Anne meets his greatest
enemy, who he doesn't know ishis greatest enemy, and who
tries to say that he's it's theit is like the it's like they

(17:42):
watched a soap opera episode,and they were like, okay.
Noted. Okay. What's next?

Matt (17:46):
Alright. Yes. That in the mix.

Rachel (17:47):
Okay. So then Natalie's pregnant. Got it. Okay. No.
Wait. We can't do that. Nevermind. Scratch that one out. And
so after she rips off her jacketdramatically, which totally
takes, like, 10 seconds, shedoes not have.

Matt (18:00):
She

Rachel (18:00):
opens her bag, and she pulls out this blood bag with,
like, a long needle alreadyattached to the end, and she

Matt (18:06):
just sticks it into his stomach.

Rachel (18:07):
Sticks into what I can only assume is Garrett Wendaby's
body double because there's noway I had to see that much of
his skin. And she sticks it intohis stomach, and it immediately
starts, like, going through thetube.

Matt (18:19):
She kind of squeezes it a little bit. Yeah. But then some
people come in, and she, like,just tucks it under the blanket.

Rachel (18:26):
Yeah. She tucks it under the blanket and the the when the
doctor arrives.

Matt (18:29):
Yeah. She pulls it out in a minute, and it's empty. Yeah.

Rachel (18:33):
He's there's toys.

Matt (18:34):
His his stomach was slurping the blood up.

Rachel (18:38):
Yes. Well, okay. So we know

Matt (18:40):
when only doesn't generate suction.

Rachel (18:42):
Yes. It does. Okay. So

Matt (18:43):
May a vampire's stomach does.

Rachel (18:45):
And so we know from only the lonely, he is capable of
absorbing blood through orificesother than his mouth because
Wait. What? Yes. So in only thelonely

Matt (18:55):
I need a reminder.

Rachel (18:56):
Yes. You do in a butt to give to you. So in only the
lonely, remember, he's in thebody bag. The blah blah blah, I
think, is what I said. Only thelonely.
And blood has, like, run out ofthe body bag and pulled on the
table. And as she's on thephone, the blood starts running
back into the body bag.

Matt (19:15):
Oh, yes. When he was reassembling himself.

Rachel (19:17):
Yes. So it is he is capable In

Matt (19:20):
my mind, that was a healing thing. Although, we also
know that the only vampirethat's the the only blood that's
ever in a vampire's body is theblood that they've recently
consumed. So so that would havebeen the blood that he fed on.

Rachel (19:34):
Yeah. So he needed he I mean, it was a healing. It like,
he needed blood for healing. Hegot shot in the fucking head. So
so she put

Matt (19:43):
it in there. She could've just, like, poured it on him.
Yeah.

Rachel (19:47):
I mean, it might But he was But that would've been,
like, if they'd come in andshe'd slit a blood bag and was
pouring it

Matt (19:52):
on top of him,

Rachel (19:53):
that would have led to more questions.

Matt (19:57):
So so when he's drinking blood out of, like, the glass
bottle

Rachel (20:04):
Yeah.

Matt (20:04):
Could he just stick his finger in and hold the bottle
upside down

Rachel (20:08):
But maybe

Matt (20:08):
and just absorb it through
his finger?

Rachel (20:10):
No. No. No. A slower I don't know. Maybe this is less
satisfying.

Matt (20:16):
Could he

Rachel (20:16):
use like a could he use like a nicotine patch? Like,
stuck up. So listen. Maybe itneeds to have, like, an opening.
Like, that blood went into acut.
This blood went in through thetube into his stomach. It can't
go through his skin. That's nota permeable membrane. He can't.
Although, you know, ElizabethBattery did bathe in blood, and

(20:38):
maybe that's why.

Matt (20:40):
Maybe.

Rachel (20:40):
Maybe. I don't know, honey. These are just questions
we're not gonna be able toanswer. So the doctor arrives,
and she's like, as she's walkingin, she's like, ma, sometimes
this is a reaction tomedication. I'm sorry.

Matt (20:54):
What? Death?

Rachel (20:56):
Yes. Sometimes Cardiac arrest. Sometimes death and
cardiac arrest is a symptom ofmedication. I'm not so sure that
temporary life signs after lifesigns have ceased for a
significant duration are a sideeffect of anything? And if they
are, that probably requiresfurther study, and I can't
believe you're just flippantlylike, sometimes they breathe.

(21:18):
I don't know what to tell you.But she walks in

Matt (21:23):
sprinkle salt on, like, freshly slaughtered meat, the
mussel twitches.

Rachel (21:29):
Thank you for

Matt (21:30):
that. Oh,

Rachel (21:31):
yeah. Okay.

Matt (21:32):
So Maybe somebody sprinkled some salt.

Rachel (21:35):
God. On freshly slaughtered meat. Thank you,
honey. So Natalie is like, oh,don't worry. I already took his
vital signs and just hands her achart on which she has written
nothing.

Matt (21:50):
I caught that too.

Rachel (21:51):
She picks the chart up, and it's just like, oh, yeah.
No. No. His, his

Matt (21:55):
Here's his blood pressure. Blood pressure

Rachel (21:57):
is just 110 over 60.

Matt (21:57):
It's stabilizing. No problem.

Rachel (22:00):
Yeah. It's absolutely not a problem. And then the
doctor goes, aren't you a littleoff your beat, doctor Lambert?
And she's like, well, you know,right time, right place, I
guess. And she oh, she says, I'ma close personal friend of the
revived.
And the doctor goes, well, yourfriend's a miracle man. And
Natalie's like, I mean, how badwas his head wound, really? And

(22:22):
she goes, well, I mean, it waspretty bad. He got shot in the
fucking head. And Natalie'slike, did he, though?
Like, she gaslights herimmediately. She's like, but did
he? And so the doctor turns tolook, and that's when Natalie,
like, lifts up the lifts up theblanket and lifts the blood bag
out. The doctor's not the onlyperson in the room.

Matt (22:40):
Right. That's

Rachel (22:41):
fine. Everyone

Matt (22:42):
else is like, oh, I I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily
say Natalie's gaslighting thedoctor. I would say Nick is
gaslighting reality by being avampire.

Rachel (22:54):
You're just gonna macro step that back all the way.
Like, you're just gonna be like,whose fault is this? Natalie's
just just Natalie's doing it.It's Nick Paul Smitty. Yes.
Yeah.

Matt (23:02):
But, she's she's, cooperating with Nick's more
egregious gaslighting Oh.Against the universe.

Rachel (23:12):
Well, they immediately run him off to surgery slash
X-ray. And, Natalie, that's whenthey wheel him away, and you can
see Natalie's jacket is, like,hitched up in the corner where
she's tossed it. And thenNatalie comes out to tell Reese
and Tracy that Nick is alive.She's like, good news.

Matt (23:29):
Good news, everyone.

Rachel (23:31):
He ain't dead. And they're like, I'm sorry. What?
And Natalie's like, well, hewent in into temporary cardiac
arrest, because of the shock.It's not unheard of.
He's alive.

Matt (23:46):
But the doctor pronounced him dead?

Rachel (23:48):
Nick went into a temporary cardiac arrest. With
that kind of a shock to thesystem, it's not all that
unusual. Is he gonna live? Well,he's still in a coma, but I have
a feeling that he's gonna pullthrough. But he's back.
And they're like, oh, is hegonna live? Which she does not
answer. She goes, well, I have afeeling he'll pull through. She

(24:12):
doesn't say, yes, he's gonnalive because, spoiler alert, he
went alive beforehand. But hewill continue to exist.
Yes. You are correct.

Matt (24:20):
As you have known him, he will continue to exist.

Rachel (24:23):
Yes. And then the doctor the doctor goes in to look at
the X rays. I love this episodepartly because this is a pivot
point for Lacroix's character.Because up until now, Lacroix
has softened, but he is not heis not the soft character we get

(24:45):
in the second half of season 3.And so this is kind of our first
indication of what we could havewith LaCroix, because LaCroix is
there to actually help Nickagainst his will slightly, but
in, like, a he got himself intoshit again, and I'm gonna get

(25:05):
him out.
And I don't love it, but, hey,maybe he'll say thank you.
Maybe. I don't know. So thedoctor is looking at the x rays,
and she goes, man, we should betalking about this guy in past
tense because she's not alone inthe room. There's somebody else
in the room.
He's off in the corner, in thedark corner facing away from
her.

Matt (25:25):
As you do.

Rachel (25:27):
And I wrote in my notes, sneaky Lacroix, because he's,
like, in the corner with hisback to where, like, you can't
see me if I can't see you.

Matt (25:34):
So And LaCroix here fulfills the role that a lot of
other vampire shows use, like,vampire politics for. Yeah.
Like, they the there's anorganization of vampires that
have their fingers into all thehuman or human Organicians.

(25:55):
Yeah. And and they can intervenein situations when vampires get
caught up in the humanmachinery.

Rachel (26:03):
Yeah.

Matt (26:04):
And it kind of brings to mind, like, what's the normal
procedure for when somethinglike this happens? Like, if it
if a vampire, like, accidentallygets Shot in the head. Very
injured

Rachel (26:17):
Yeah.

Matt (26:18):
And brought into a human hospital, and there's no vampire
accomplices there to intervene.And then the hospital's like,
what is this? This is not human.

Rachel (26:32):
Well, you just disappear. You just disappear.

Matt (26:35):
Nick didn't disappear?

Rachel (26:37):
I mean, I'm a regular human woman, and sometimes I can
go into the hospital and feellike nobody knows I exist. I
feel like a vampire could alsogo in.

Matt (26:46):
But but this is a white man.

Rachel (26:48):
Oh, that's fair.

Matt (26:51):
Yeah.

Rachel (26:51):
Well, I think it's, a, there's not that many of them.

Matt (26:54):
Yeah. There's probably a lot fewer of them in the Forever
Knight universe than there

Rachel (26:58):
are That's usually in other stories. When you get that
is when you have, like, hugevampire populations. And I think
the implication is there are notthat many, and they generally do
not involve themselves in humanaffairs. So there really are
very few situations where avampire is going to get injured

(27:18):
and have to go to the hospital.Yeah.
Or, like, you think of Nick. Thefirst time this happened to
Nick, when he jumped on the pipebomb, he was just so injured,
they immediately took him to theME. And in that situation, you
would have just woken up,hypnotized whoever was in the
room, and dipped.

Matt (27:35):
Right. And if you couldn't hypnotize them, you just kill
them.

Rachel (27:37):
Yeah. If you can't hypnotize them, you kill them.
Then it's just a mystery thatnever gets solved because you
never existed anyway, and youjust disappear off into
nothingness.

Matt (27:46):
But if you wake up and you have no memories?

Rachel (27:49):
I mean, this, I think, is an extraordinary
circumstance. And it's also whyyou are never alone as a
vampire. Like, why probably whyhe The

Matt (27:57):
buddy system.

Rachel (27:58):
It's a buddy system. Yeah. That's exactly what it is
because it's probably why he isso weird at being, like, the
loner that he is.

Matt (28:05):
Nick is actively avoiding the buddy system. Yeah. And
Lacroix is like, no. This is howwe do things. I'm going to be
your buddy whether you like itor not.

Rachel (28:16):
He's that kid in class that refuses to participate in
the group work. Everybody elseis doing group projects, so he's
not doing the group project.Even though it makes his job,
like, way harder,

Matt (28:25):
he still won't do it,

Rachel (28:27):
because he just doesn't trust the other people in his
group to have the same goals ashe does.

Matt (28:31):
Mhmm.

Rachel (28:31):
So it's fair. But sneaky LaCroix turns around, and he's
like, maybe you were wrong. Andthe lady's like, the doctor is
like, no. Half his brain hasbeen scrambled. And then we get
the cool love when the clockhypnotizes people because this
is exactly

Matt (28:48):
how

Rachel (28:49):
I would imagine that, like, a skilled person using
like, a skilled vampire usinghypnotism would work because
Nick

Matt (28:55):
is contrast to Nick.

Rachel (28:56):
Nick is just like, look me in the eye, and then he's
just like, you know, is it he'sa hammer. Lacroix is a scalpel.

Matt (29:03):
Well, I think it's in character.

Rachel (29:06):
Yeah. For no. That's

Matt (29:07):
so weird. Actors. Because he likes to nail things.

Rachel (29:12):
Oh my god.

Matt (29:22):
2. 2 in 1 episode. Yes. I'm on a roll.

Rachel (29:26):
You are on a roll.

Matt (29:28):
Alright. So we get we get very suave. No. We get very
suave Lacroix Yeah. Gaslightingthis doctor.

Rachel (29:39):
Minute and, like, fucking Nigel Bennett. Right? He
is pretty buff. Like, you don'tsee it normally because he's in,
like, 16 layers. But him andscrubs, you're like, you take
care of yourself, and I justreally appreciate all the work
that you put into yourselfbecause his shoulders look
really nice in these scrubs.

(30:01):
Just wanna point that out. Andhe literally walks over as he's
hypnotizing this woman, whichdoes not require him looking in
her eyes at all. Just hypnotizedwith his presence. Mhmm. And
he's like, you know, the weirdthings about X rays is, they
tend to be flawed.
And I think this is one of thosetimes, and she's like, yeah. One
of those times.

Matt (30:22):
So we we know Lacroix prepared. Like, he he brought
materials. He brought his props.

Rachel (30:29):
Switching out the X rays. He's taking off the X-ray
that has the bullet in it.

Matt (30:34):
We have established that you can't actually hypnotize
someone if they have

Rachel (30:40):
Empirical evidence? Evidence. Yeah.

Matt (30:42):
And so he gaslights the X-ray.

Rachel (30:47):
Does that mean that the bullets are still in Nick's
head? Because they showed up onthe X-ray Yeah. Unless they
removed them.

Matt (30:58):
Is it gonna be like Wolverine where they're just
gonna pop out in a few weeks?

Rachel (31:02):
Maybe. That would have been really awkward if Natalie
had not had succeeded ingaslighting him into believing
he was human, and then, like, hewakes up one morning with a
headache, and then a bullet popsout of his forehead. And
Natalie's like, oh, no. Thathappens sometimes.

Matt (31:17):
If it if it went to the extent of, like, the multiple
personality disorder Yeah.Person where they actually
biologically were not a vampire

Rachel (31:28):
Yeah.

Matt (31:28):
When they believed themselves to be human.

Rachel (31:30):
Would have just died.

Matt (31:32):
Yeah. Right? Right? If if he had if Natalie had succeeded
in convincing him of hishumanity, would he have reverted
back to, like, human biologicalfunction? And then because we
see him eating.

Rachel (31:48):
Yeah.

Matt (31:51):
Would he have, like, gotten a brain infection and
died?

Rachel (31:56):
Well, it's food for thought. So LaCroix is switching
out the X rays, and he he goes,this man is, he goes, it's
nowhere as bad as it firstseemed. I mean, the good
detective is the luckiest manalive, And she's like, yeah.
Luckiest man alive. And he says,the bullet bounced off the
detective's very thick

Matt (32:17):
Yes.

Rachel (32:17):
Skull and caused

Matt (32:20):
Look, wow. How how do you feel about Nick?

Rachel (32:22):
He really he just slid that dig right in there. He was
like, well, he's quite dense.It's very difficult for bullets
to penetrate when your head isthat dense. And the lady's like,
yeah, very thick skull. And thenI love this moment because I
fucking love how Nigel playsLacroix.

(32:43):
I think Garrett does a reallygood job as Nick, and I
appreciate him as Nick, and Ienjoy his character. But there
are times when it feels likeGare is telling a joke, and
we're all in on it, and Nick isthe joke. Every once in a great
while, you get the sense that,like, he doesn't get why Nick

(33:03):
would do this, so he's reallynot into it. He's doing a good
job. He's giving it his all, buthe doesn't love the role.
I never get the feeling thatNigel doesn't love being
Lacroix. Like, he gets to showup every day and be this
delightful fucking villain. Andthis moment where he, like,
tilts his head to the side andjust, like, strokes his finger

(33:24):
down this woman's neck and does,like, a, like, a lip lick thing,
like, you got a pretty neck.It's just like a if only these
were different circumstances,and we could have had a moment
together. But instead, I'm hererescuing my dumbass son.
And he goes, you know, just themost remarkable case. And the

(33:46):
lady goes, yeah, the mostremarkable case. And he goes, so
glad we concur, doctor. And it'sjust this really awesome, like,
vampire scene where he just youknow, it's very subtle. It's
very well done.
And, of course, it's NigelBennett. So fucking Nigel
Bennett is just, like, crushingthis moment as Lacroix. And

(34:12):
Natalie is still out talking toReese and Tracy. And she's
telling them, like, oh, no. No.
He's gonna be fine. And sheactually looks over, and LaCroix
walks by in the background, andhe's just like, sup?

Matt (34:22):
They make eye contact.

Rachel (34:23):
Like, don't worry. I got this. And it's when the doctor's
briefing everybody, really,because she's like, yeah. The
he's a miracle. The bulletbounced off his very thick
skull.

Nurse (34:36):
The bullet glanced off the good detective's very thick
skull. He's the luckiest manalive.

Rachel (34:42):
Like, why am I saying these things? I don't remember
why I'm saying these things. AndTracy is like, oh, I'm just so
glad he's okay. Do you think Icould go back and see him? And
Natalie's like, yeah.
I think that could be arranged,except she doesn't ever go back
and see her. They walk backtogether, and then the next time
we're back there, it's Lacroixwith Nick in the room Mhmm.

(35:03):
Because Nick is still in a coma.And he's like, poor Nicholas.
See what being, like, mixed upwith mortals has got you?
There's so much trouble. Like, Idon't know why you're fucking
with them. And, I just wannapoint out that Nick now has a
heartbeat before he had oneheartbeat every 10 minutes.

Matt (35:23):
Natalie must have hacked up the machine or something.

Rachel (35:25):
Yeah. She just put like a little metronome on there.
Beep. Beep. Because, he's got,like, he's got blood pressure
and a heartbeat, and he does itnormally.
Forever night being the paragonof consistency

Matt (35:50):
Why wasn't this episode called called, like, titled quid
pro quo?

Rachel (35:54):
That's just night in question. I don't know. And he
goes, I always pay my debts.Really? Like, good ones, bad
ones, all of them.
I I take payment or I givepayment, whatever. And then we
go to a Lacroix flashback. Andit's Lacroix on the battlefield
in his

Matt (36:14):
We need some context for the quid pro quo.

Rachel (36:17):
In his jaunty hat. And he's cruising for a snack
because he gets off is he onhorse? I think he's on a horse,
which didn't we just establishthey can't ride horses or can't
be around horses. But he hopsoff his horse, takes his hat
off, and he's like, wonder ifanybody's still alive around
here. And then he hears aheartbeat, and he's like, and

(36:37):
he's like, he's

Matt (36:39):
he's going grocery shopping.

Rachel (36:40):
Yeah. He's going grocery shopping. So he heads over to
this guy who's apparently justalive enough, which we know he
likes to follow follow war eventhough he finds them messy. He
can't if he can't turn down allthat free food, which is what he
tells Nicholas in, can't run,can't hide. And he's like, okay.
Well, I'm gonna eat this dude.So he takes his hat off, puts
down. He's kneeling down, andthe guy's like, oh my god. Are

(37:03):
you dead? And Lacroix is like,honey, I'm whatever you want me
to be.
He's like, death shirt. I'mdeath now. And so he goes in to
bite the guy, and the guy'slike, oh, shit. You're a
vampire. So he actually grabs asteak and rams it into the
claw's chest, and LaFollette islike, like a dead spider tumbles

(37:24):
to the back like, oh, god, yougot me.
And then, apparently, this is amortal flesh wound, even though
I've seen him staked and burnedto death before, and he got
better.

Matt (37:36):
So it can't be bad.
It wasn't complete enough.

Rachel (37:40):
The It

Matt (37:41):
was staked. Enough wound to be painful and slightly,
like, immobilize him. Yeah. Butit didn't fully, like, kill him
in a way that he couldevaporate.

Rachel (37:54):
It must have been. Be yeah. Because I was gonna say
the last couple times that we'veseen a vampire get steak, they
literally, like, poof and die.So

Matt (38:03):
Not not as dramatically as in Buffy.

Rachel (38:05):
No. You know why they did that because they didn't
wanna keep up with, like,getting rid of bodies. Yeah.
It's literally the same reasonthat they invented the
transporter for Star Trekbecause they couldn't afford
landing and taking off scenes.

Matt (38:16):
Yes.

Rachel (38:16):
So they just created the tell the transporter. And then
in Buffy, they did the, like,poof because, otherwise, Buffy's
always having to deal with deadbodies. So, yeah, it doesn't
matter. He doesn't quite die,but that's the end of that part
of the flashback. We don't knowwhat happens next.
And Lacroix comes back, and hedoes, like, a blood pact, wrist

(38:37):
to wrist thing with Nick.

Matt (38:40):
Well, I was just thinking about this

Rachel (38:41):
Okay.

Matt (38:42):
Based on what we said a few minutes ago about, like,
pulling in blood from somewhereelse without a parent, like,
mechanism Yeah. He can justlike, he needs blood.

Rachel (38:56):
He can

Matt (38:56):
just There's blood. There's an opening in his skin,
touching an opening in Lacroix'sskin, and Nick's body

Rachel (39:03):
We'll just take what it needs.

Matt (39:05):
In the blood.

Rachel (39:06):
Yeah. Hey. Look at that. We solved the problem. We solved
the problem solved.
I love LaClaus' line herebecause he goes, I do hope this
wave of altruism passes quickly.I find it quite distressing.

Matt (39:26):
Quid pro quo. I do hope this wave of altruism passes
quickly. It's quite
distressing.

Rachel (39:39):
And so Nick starts to wake up, and he's like, welcome
to the living, such as it is. Ifucking love Laquaid so much.
And Natalie goes back to seeNick, because Nick's awake now
because Laquaid did did what heneeded to do. Everything's
healed up. He dipped.
And, Natalie goes back. Nick issort of he's still prone. He's

(40:00):
awake, but he's not, like,moving. She doesn't bring Tracy,
so she doesn't fulfill herpromise to take Tracy back.

Matt (40:05):
Maybe she brought Tracy back, and Nick was still out.

Rachel (40:09):
Unconscious. Could be.

Matt (40:10):
And they just didn't include that scene because it's

Rachel (40:12):
really weird. Hypnotized them and sent them off. Like,
you saw Nick. He looks likeshit. Now go home.
And she's like, how you doing?And he goes, well, my head's
killing me. She goes, well, youdid just get shot in the head.
And I had to do some pretty fasttalking. And he's like, what?
Who? And she's like, yeah.That's what we're all hoping you
can tell us, like, who shot you.And he's like, no. No.

(40:34):
No. Who are you? And thenNatalie's like, Nick, say my
name. And he's like, yeah. I gotnothing.
I got I don't know who you are.And she's like, oh, shit. But
also

Matt (40:52):
She see she sees an opportunity.

Rachel (40:54):
Right. And so Reese she's talking to Reese about it,
and Reese is like, fuckingamnesia? Like, seriously? What
is this? A telenovela?
And he does say, well, it'sbetter than being dead, which is
true. It's better than beingdead. And so Natalie is talking
to the doctor and Reese, andshe's like, well, maybe if I

(41:16):
took him to his house, it couldjog some memories. He could he
could, you know, familiarsetting could shake things
loose. And she's like, you know,and, I volunteer as tribute.
Like, I'll I'll take him home.

Matt (41:33):
I'm a I'm a close personal friend.

Rachel (41:35):
Of the revived. Wink. Wink. I'll take him home, and,
I'll make sure he, jogs a fewthings loose. Sound good?
And they're like, yeah. Yeah.That makes that makes sense.
She's like, yeah. I'm I'm adoctor.
He doesn't have any family. I'malready wearing my laced
underwear. Like, I'm ready togo.

Matt (41:55):
What what was that about your underwear? What? I mean, I
have a fresh a fresh change ofunderwear Yeah. In my car Yeah.
I've pressed it.

Rachel (42:07):
Emergencies. I've always kept them with me. Absolutely
not the teddy that

Matt (42:11):
I was given at my birthday party. Him, like, for a day or 2
Uh-huh. Overnight Maybe. If needbe. And and I won't have to,
like, leave him to go get freshclothes.

Rachel (42:22):
Nope. I won't have to no clothes at all.

Matt (42:24):
She's prepared. Yep. Clothes will not be an issue.

Rachel (42:28):
Clothing optional, if you know what I'm saying. I
mean, like, going to getclothing optional. Like, I'm
okay. Yeah. I'll take Nick home,and they're like, Yeah.
That's fine. So they come aroundthe curtain to find Nick eating
because, of course, he's gettingbetter really fast. He's a
vampire, and he's healing. Andso, Natalie's like, oh my god.

(42:49):
You're eating.
And he's like, well, yeah. Andshe has to do this thing where
she composes her face. Like, canwe take a moment and also
appreciate how good of an actorKatharine Disher is in this
episode? She actually gets arole. Like, she doesn't just
show up, provide information,and then disappear, and she's
having a great time becauseYeah.

(43:09):
She has to, like, composeherself, and you can see her you
can see her as Natalie, like,okay. Okay. Okay. Act cool.
Don't act like this is weird.
He should be eating. Thisshouldn't be a big deal, so
just, like, play it cool. So shereins it in, and, they just
spent the entire hallway talkingabout how he has amnesia. But

(43:30):
he's like, Nick literally says,well, I know doctor Lambert
because she introduced herself,but I don't know who you are to
Reese. And Reese is like

Matt (43:38):
Offended. Reese is offended.

Rachel (43:40):
He's like, oh my god. You don't know who I am. Like,
dude, he has amnesia. What doyou think that means? That means
he have you not watched Days ofOur Lives?
That means he doesn't knowanything. Or what's that? Was it
a full house where the ladyloses her memory?

Matt (43:53):
Didn't Reese make a comment in a previous episode
about how he needs to listen tohis wife more? Yeah. Because she
watches all the Stay

Rachel (44:01):
Time television. It just sounds like the Charlie Brown
mom.

Matt (44:03):
And so this is just reinforcing his previous story
about how he doesn't watch anyof that daytime TV stuff
Oh.
But his wife does. Yeah. And so maybe he goes home, and
he's like, honey, what let'ssay, hypothetically, you had a

(44:24):
detective that got shot in thehead, and he woke up in the
hospital with amnesia. What whatdoes that mean?
She's like,

Rachel (44:32):
yeah, that happened, like, 2 episodes ago. I mean,
keep up.

Matt (44:36):
That happens all the time.

Rachel (44:36):
Can't remember anything. Okay?

Matt (44:39):
Do you have amnesia?

Rachel (44:40):
He's like, but he can still talk and eat. And it's
like, well, no. It's memory.It's not like skills. Skills is
in a different part of yourbrain.
So he does. He looks offended.

Matt (44:49):
Reese, talk to your wife more.

Rachel (44:50):
I know. But they tell you guess.

Matt (44:52):
Listen to your wife more.

Rachel (44:53):
Yeah. May like I said, maybe when women talk, it just
sounds like the Charlie Brownmom. So they do tell him that
he's a homicide detective andsomeone shot him and his
partner, and he's lucky to bealive. And Nick looks mildly
uncomfortable, and he's like,oh, is he dead? And Natalie
goes, no.

(45:13):
She is fine. Your partner,Tracy, is fine. And we're just
trying to figure out who shotyou. And so he tries to
remember, and he has, like, abrief memory flash, but it's not
any more enlightening thanTracy's is, except that the
parade warehouse is supercreepy. Yeah.
Yeah. I I can't imagine goingthere and being like, oh,

(45:35):
somebody wants to meet us here?Cool. This is absolutely not a
setup. There's just too manyblind angles for this to be a
setup.

Matt (45:42):
Wonder if this is, like, the actual city of Toronto
warehouse for storing the paradefloats.

Rachel (45:49):
I don't know. That'd be interesting. They tell they tell
Nick that, Natalie wants to takehim home and, you know, see if
he can get more comfortable,just remember some things. And
he's like, oh, I mean, yeah.Cool.
I mean, if that's fine withdoctor Lambert. And she goes,
please call me Natalie. And myfirst thought was, you can take

(46:12):
the memories out of the fuckboy, but you can't take the fuck
boy out of the fuck boy becausehe looks at Natalie, and he's
like, okay, Natalie. Like, like,here comes the smolder, because
he's literally like, oh, we'reon a first name basis. And then
he gives her a look that isabsolutely like, oh, I'm hitting

(46:32):
that.
Like, I must already be hittingthat. Yes. Fucking yes. And now
she's taking me home. I'm soexcited.
And Natalie gives him the samelook back. In fact, in my notes,
I put Natalie feels a stirringin her jellies.

Matt (46:48):
If it's alright with doctor Lambert.

Rachel (46:51):
Please, call me Natalie.

Matt (46:55):
Natalie.

Rachel (47:00):
Like, oh, yeah. Thank God I brought a change of
underwear. So Nick says Nicksays, I'll keep trying, cap'n.
He doesn't say captain. He'slike, cap'n.
Like

Matt (47:11):
Yeah.

Rachel (47:12):
Yeah. Reese goes, well, good. Like, yeah. Cool. You
know, you do take your time.
See if you can figure it out. Ijust want you to know we were
all praying for you. Like, a lotof people were praying for you
to come through. And you have toimagine it's like, I wish you
wouldn't. Like, that might bewhy he lost his memory.

Matt (47:28):
Like Oh, yeah. Please stop that. Yeah. It's blocking my
feelings.

Rachel (47:33):
It's unhelpful. And Tracy's back at the precinct.
She doesn't actually go homeuntil, like, the very end of
this entire episode. So she goesto this thing. Her partner gets
shot.
She's covered in blood. Shewitnesses her partner, like,
almost die, really die, and thenactually come back to life. And

(47:54):
they just take her to aninterrogation room, and they're
like, cool. Tell us everythingthat happened. And she's like, I
I'm so sorry.
Like, I got nothing. And she'slike, we went to the parade
warehouse to meet an informantwho had a tip on, oh, the
Yorkville Ripper. Oh my god, youguys. That's a callback. That's

(48:15):
a callback.
They referenced

Matt (48:17):
history of the show.

Rachel (48:18):
What? That's the one from the bad blood episode, the
Jack the Ripper episode with,Patrick Zohoulihan, like, the
most most Irish Irish fan ever.I was like, oh my god. It's a
meta joke, because the next guygoes, oh, yeah. Everybody and
their dog has a theory on thatone.
Oh my god. Did Perry call? It'sjust like, oh, wow. Look at

(48:44):
that. They actually referencedsomething and an because it's an
unsolved case.

Matt (48:49):
Right.

Rachel (48:49):
So and it's, like, one of the few unsolved cases that
we have. In fact, not theunsolved case in the entire
show, because, otherwise, theynail it. Whether they nail it
through police work,occasionally, sometimes they
they nail it through. Theyblunder so badly into the bad
guy that the bad guy actuallythinks they're onto them, and

(49:10):
then they kidnap them and revealthemselves that way. Or
sometimes, sometimes theyliterally just stumble on the
truth through no actual work oftheir own.
Those are the 3 ways we solvecases. But, apparently, they
have informants, and this onemaybe knew something about the
Yorkville Ripper. So, of course,Nick went. He was like, oh,
maybe it's a vampire. I shouldprobably go.

(49:31):
And so, Tracy says, it seemedlike a normal meat, but, like,
it went screwy pretty fast.Like, we got in there, and we
were like, this ain't right. Ofcourse, you were. It's dark, and
it was full of large, foamcutouts of animals and clowns
and shit. And then shit wentdown pretty fast.
Like, there was a flash. Shegoes, I saw a glint of

(49:52):
something, maybe a weirdcostume. I don't know. I'm
tired. I'm traumatized.
This is like last week, Iaccidentally shot somebody in
the line of duty. This week, mypartner got shot. Like, I'm just
having a bad month, guys. Then Igot kidnapped by a serial
killer. And then there was thattime that that talk show host
tried to kill me, and they'relike, actually, can we just sit

(50:13):
down and talk about your record,Tracy?
And Reese does try to get themto lay off, but they're like,
no. We can't because the bulletyour partner was shot with was a
cop killer bullet. It was aTeflon coated.

Matt (50:31):
Right. For going through body armor.

Rachel (50:32):
Yeah. For going through body armor. So this guy was
specifically gunning for cops.We can't leave him out there if
he's trying to kill cops. Andwhile poor Tracy is going
through all of this, Nick andNatalie go to the loft.
And Natalie's a little smartwhen she walks in the loft.
Like, I am so glad I neverbothered to take home that

(50:55):
present I got for my 30thbirthday, the really super
inappropriate one that everybodygot me, the lingerie, because it
was still in my desk drawer, andI just stuck it in my purse, and
I am so fucking ready. And itgoes, oh, it's a little dark,
isn't it? And she goes, that'show you like it. And this is
really the moment where shecould have gone because you have
a sun allergy, and you don't gooutside during the day.

(51:18):
You were born that way.

Matt (51:20):
Right.

Rachel (51:21):
Look me in the eye. You were born that way. You also
don't like crosses. It's anatheist.

Matt (51:27):
39 years ago. You were born that way.

Rachel (51:29):
Yeah. Don't don't go outside during the day. You have
a sun allergy. Instead of justbeing like, you have to trust
me.

Matt (51:36):
And you have some religious trauma.

Rachel (51:37):
You have religious trauma. So you also you you
light on fire in the presence ofcrosses.

Matt (51:42):
Well, the last couple times

Rachel (51:44):
It was very traumatic.

Matt (51:46):
He just got, like, inflamed skin.

Rachel (51:48):
Yeah. Yeah. It's psychosomatic. Don't worry about
it. But he does find a pictureof them on the table.
And he's like, oh, this is us.Oh, okay. And she goes, yeah.
You remember what that's from?And he's like Nope.
Amnesia.

Matt (52:04):
Do you have it too? Do you suffer from short term memory
loss?

Rachel (52:10):
Do you suffer from short term memory loss? But Natalie
has a grocery bag. She has hercoat, which she takes off, by
the way. And then she has agrocery bag, and she starts
putting away groceries. And Imade notes because she's like,
what do you bring?

Matt (52:25):
What what did she bring, Rachel?

Rachel (52:27):
What do you bring? I mean, what do you shop for?
You're like, do I get meat, orshould he be vegetarian? Like,
if he ever apples. That's thefirst thing she puts away, and
then she puts away a clamshell,like a clamshell container or
something red.
So it's either berries orstrawberries or cherry tomatoes

(52:48):
or something. And then she putsaway an entire either an entire
thing of celery with the leavesor a single large leak.

Matt (52:56):
It's really difficult to say.

Rachel (52:58):
And then this is the first time she puts away the
loaf of bread. Okay. And all ofit goes in the refrigerator,
including the loaf of bread. Soif you didn't have It's Canada.
That Natalie was a psychopath.
She put her loaf of bread in therefrigerator. She just shoves it
in there too and then, like,shuts the door like that.

Matt (53:17):
Does she really want to have him eat apples? Because she
want

Rachel (53:24):
Oh, we get that line.

Matt (53:26):
Oh, an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

Rachel (53:27):
We get that line. Yeah. You could've Okay. Well, it's a
good one.

Matt (53:30):
It's a
good one. It's a
good one. That one.

Rachel (53:32):
So she says, you know, those pictures are from last
year's birthday. We went out todinner. I ate. You didn't ate.
It's a thing.

Matt (53:41):
No eat.

Rachel (53:41):
No eat. And she goes, do you remember which birthday? And
he's like, somewhere between3040. And she's like, you are so
wrong. I can't even begin totell you.
And he's like, oh my god. Am I,like, 21 and I look like this?
Do you remember which birthdaythat was?

Matt (54:00):
Alright. Let me guess. Somewhere between 30 and

Rachel (54:06):
40. Oh, you are so far off. I cannot begin to tell you.

Matt (54:11):
It's like there's a guy on Instagram that's he looks like
he's in his mid thirties, buthe's like, guys, I'm like 24.

Rachel (54:20):
Aw. I know.

Matt (54:23):
He said somebody contacted him. It was like, hey. It's
great to see somebody makingcontent, like, so youthfully
even in their forties. And Ithink it they wanted him they
wanted to, sponsor him on someproduct and have him do, like, a
sponsored thing. Yeah.

(54:44):
He's like, I'm dying in myforties. It's like, guys, do I
look that old? Oh, it was hairdye. Oh, no. It was hair dye.
They want they're like, whateverhair dye you're using, like,
hey. Maybe we can work out adeal where we get you hair dye.
And he's like, I'm I'm, like,25.

Rachel (55:04):
Aw. Well, as someone who is not allowed to wear sunscreen
growing up, premature aging is areal thing. Okay? So we don't
joke about it.

Matt (55:13):
That's why all the millennials look so ambiguously
aged because

Rachel (55:17):
All the other ones.

Matt (55:18):
Most of us have worn sunblock our entire lives.

Rachel (55:20):
Yeah. I didn't until we got until we started dating.
Yeah. Because I wasn't allowedto. Because mom thought I was
the year old.
Die. Well, mom thought I wantedhave

Matt (55:29):
a sun allergy.

Rachel (55:31):
Also known as being ginger. You walk outside. God,
it burns us. Well, I don't. Ihave, what is it?
Oh, we have some friends. Maybethat's not a good joke to tell
on the podcast, but but when sheanyway, I'm, like, the most
European white lady in the worldever. Like, I'm from America. I

(55:51):
am American, but we did the,like, genetic testing thing. And
Matt's was cool.
Like, lots of different parts ofthe of the world were all lit
up. You know, you had someAshkenazi Jew, Sub Saharan
African. You're from here andover legit only your like,
England.

Matt (56:08):
Rachel's just like the Iberian Peninsula, like France,
Spain.

Rachel (56:13):
Like, tiny bits of it. Yeah. Yeah. And then then, like,
book England. Yeah.
Like, just like my ancestorssprang forth fully formed, like,
from the From the

Matt (56:23):
British Isles.

Rachel (56:24):
Like, we crawled out crawled up the, like, chalk
cliffs, and we were like, thisis where we live now. And, like,
nothing nothing else. Literallyjust just European.

Matt (56:35):
You were, like, 99.8% Northwestern European.

Rachel (56:39):
Yeah. Some I'm 99.9% European. 1.1% me. That's what I
said. Yeah.
Somebody at some point got spicywith somebody in the Iberian,
Peninsula. And I

Matt (56:50):
can tell Some Spanish guy on

Rachel (56:51):
the line. Can only imagine it was a Spanish sailor
who came to England, and theywere like, okay. Well, you're
here. I guess we can make thishappen. The point of the story
is I don't burn.
I tan. And you would think Iwould burn given my descendants,
but we were talking to a ladyfrom Ireland, a friend, like, a
my friend's very fun Irishgrandmother, who just constantly

(57:15):
tries to get you to drink and isamazing. And she was like, oh,
you're a black Scot. And thenshe got this look of horror on
her face. Like, she was too manyIrish creams in, and it was just
like that came out of

Matt (57:29):
another dish that came out of that. Vodka drinks.

Rachel (57:33):
Anyway, I was not remotely offended,

Matt (57:35):
but the potatoes.
It's look.
They like potatoes. Class.

Rachel (57:40):
Okay.

Matt (57:40):
The Irish like the potatoes

Rachel (57:41):
in all the forms. I'm designed to work in the fields
day in and day out. I I maintainmy resources. I do not lose
them. I I tan.
I don't burn. I'm literallydesigned for, like, heavy labor.
I just that's just who I am.Okay? And you know what?
It's fine. And I've embracedthat. I have literally don't
care, but I just think it'shysterical that I'm literally

(58:03):
the wisest person ever. And,let's say, now everybody knows,
unless I cut this out, which Iwon't because I cut nothing out.
So Nick and Natalie are at herhis loft.
Anyway, so he sits down at thepiano, and he starts playing
moonlight sonata. And Natalie'slike, oh, do you remember what

(58:26):
that's called? And he goes,nope. But it's by Beethoven.
Right?
And she's like, yeah. Yeah.That's really great. And he's
like, yeah. It's really weird.
Like, I remember playing thatwith a friend who was writing

Matt (58:40):
Who was hard of hearing?

Rachel (58:41):
No. No. He was writing stuff on a staff, and then he
goes, with a quill. And Nataliegives this look like, oh,
goddamn it. That's what youremember?
And he goes, he was hard ofhearing. It was really weird.
Like, so canonically, Nicolas deBrabant composed Moonlight

(59:01):
Sonata.

Matt (59:04):
Yeah. Or was it Fur Elise?

Rachel (59:05):
Mhmm. Do do do do do do do. Was it or no? I thought it
was Moonlight Sonata that heplays, or

Matt (59:11):
was it for Elise?

Rachel (59:12):
I think

Matt (59:13):
it was

Rachel (59:13):
for Elise. Oh, I don't know. Either one. But on that
note, she's like, well, I gottago to work, for a little bit
because I can't let things pileup at my line of work. It can
get very unpleasant.
Trust me. This happened when youhad this whole, like, meteor
scare thing, and they werelegit, like, a bunch of bodies

(59:34):
that came in. And I had thiswhole mental breakdown. It's a
thing. So I was not at work, andwhen I got back, let me just
tell you, not great.
So she she knows the value ofstaying on top of, moving bodies
through her morgue.

Matt (59:48):
Yeah. Yeah.

Rachel (59:49):
And he goes, oh, that's right. You're a doctor. And she
goes, no. I'm a pathologist. Andhe's like, oh, okay.
And so while she's talking tohim, she, like, sneaks his
bottle of blood out of therefrigerator and sneaks it into
the grocery bag. And she tellshim, you know, eat if you're
hungry. And he's like, yeah. Iam actually really hungry

(01:00:10):
because that hospital foodtasted like shit. And she's
like, yeah.
It's hospital food.

Matt (01:00:15):
And she brought him mostly red stuff.

Rachel (01:00:17):
That's true. And then she gives him an apple. She
tosses an apple to him, and shegoes, well, just remember, an
apple a day keeps the coroneraway. And he goes, but I
wouldn't want that, would I?

Matt (01:00:29):
Thanks. I'm a bit hungry. That hospital food was dreadful.

Rachel (01:00:33):
Just remember, an apple a day keeps the coroner away.

Matt (01:00:36):
I wouldn't wanna do that now, would I?

Rachel (01:00:39):
And she's like, I'll be right back. My plan is working
so well. And so then she runsoff like, yes.

Matt (01:00:47):
I'm just

Rachel (01:00:47):
Just gonna do a couple things at work, and then we'll
come right back. That's gonna begreat. And then we get a flying
scene, which is not Nick,obviously, because Nick has
forgotten he can fly. And thenwe see Nick, and he's going
through, he's going through hishouse trying to figure out who
he is. And he finds his gun inthe desk, and he loads his gun.
And when he, like, pushes thebullets in, he has a brief flash

(01:01:09):
of getting shot in the head, andthen he spins around and draws
the gun on Lacroix becauseLacroix is standing behind him.
And Lacroix goes, is that anyway to treat your savior?

Matt (01:01:22):
Savior.

Rachel (01:01:23):
In more ways than one, Nick, because you'd have been
dead, like, 100 of years ago. Itwasn't for me. Also, I saved you
recently. Listen. I'm a greatguy.
Okay? And Nick goes, how did youget in? And LaCroix just goes, I
have a standing invitation. Andhe's like, oh, okay. Cool.
And he puts his gun down.

Matt (01:01:42):
It seems we know each other.

Rachel (01:01:44):
Yeah. He goes, it's called the fact that you haven't
boarded up the skylight. And Ihave to assume if you didn't
want me here, you would haveboarded up the skylight. So as
long as the skylight stillexists, I have an open
invitation. This is my this ismy line of reasoning.
I will accept no no.

Matt (01:01:58):
Actions speak louder than words. Even though you told me
never to come back, you haven'tclosed the door.

Rachel (01:02:04):
Yeah. And I love how good of a job Gare does in this
episode of seeming like adifferent person. Like, you
believe he has no idea who hewas, and that this is who Nick
would be without all of hisbaggage. A relentless flirt who
literally immediately startedgetting into trying to get into

(01:02:25):
the pants of the one woman whoshowed any amount of interest to
him in a cute, like, oh, you'reI like you. You like, we have
some chemistry.
We've probably acted on it.Let's do that some more. Like,
I'm really enjoying being aroundyou. And as soon as he sees
Lacroix, he's like, oh, yeah.You're the doctor from the
hospital.
I remember seeing you there.Like, we must be friends. Like,

(01:02:47):
it's great. I'm a friendly dude.I'm so glad.
Like, I I feel like a friendlydude, and I have friends. Like,
this is great.

Matt (01:02:53):
I don't remember anything, but already I have 2 very good
friends.

Rachel (01:02:57):
This is very nice. I have a nice apartment. I have
nice friends.

Matt (01:03:01):
Glad I'm not a lonely person who spends all my time
alone.

Rachel (01:03:07):
And I protect people, which just feels right. I have a
great life. I'm so excited toremember everything

Matt (01:03:13):
I have at the beginning. Same personality shift that Nick
got in the Native AmericanAmerican Mysticism episode when
his guilt got taken.

Rachel (01:03:22):
Very good point. Yes. That is a very good point. Good
job. A little bit consistencythere.

Matt (01:03:28):
Mhmm.

Rachel (01:03:29):
Yeah. But he says, oh, you're the doctor from the
hospital, and Lequois goes, oh,I'm much more than that. And he
goes, doesn't the sensationyou're feeling right now tell
you that I'm more than that? AndNick's like, well, it's not the
same sensation I have aroundNatalie. Is it?
Am I bi? Emma? I could be.

Matt (01:03:53):
Hey. I feel a tingling peep somewhere.

Rachel (01:03:55):
Yeah. I gotta there's a there's a little bit there's
there's some stuff going on. Idon't know. I don't know. Maybe.
Maybe. I mean, he's hot. This isfine. And he says, we have a
special relationship, which doesnot clear it up. Like, it
doesn't clear it up for Nick

Matt (01:04:10):
at all. Laquan never clears anything up.

Rachel (01:04:13):
No. But he does say, I'm your oldest friend, and we have
been through so much together.And then he goes into his own
flashback, and it's him, like,rotting on this couch. And then
Nick shows up and Nick's like

Matt (01:04:26):
Which I kudos for how, like, hard they leaned into the
makeup.

Rachel (01:04:32):
I fucking love this episode. I love this episode so
fucking much. But, yeah, he's,like, rotting on this couch, and
Nick walks by, and he's like, hehas this look on his face. Like,
I have to tell you, I'm reallyenjoying seeing you like this.
Like, how far the mighty fall.
And he goes, Nick, can you,like, get this out? Like, you'd

(01:04:54):
be doing me, like, a really bigfavor if you could just, like,
you know, I got a thing. I got athing right here in in my chest,
and it goes, yeah. Okay. How'dthat get there?
And, Laquaza, like, oh, youknow, I was I was

Matt (01:05:07):
I was grocery shopping.

Rachel (01:05:08):
I was out grocery shopping and groceries fought
back. And Nick is like, oh, youwere killing people on the
battlefield again, and he'slike, semantics. Can you just
get this out? And he actuallysays, I wish you would remember
that our relationship hasn'talways been this difficult
because Nick is like, I'll takeit out, but then I'm leaving,
and you're not gonna follow methis time. Okay?
And LaCroix is like, okay.

Matt (01:05:29):
The buddy system here.

Rachel (01:05:30):
He's like he's like, okay. But in his mind, he's like
the fay. You can't make a dealwith with that with Lacroix
without having, like, 16caveats. You need to be like,
you cannot follow me for aminimum of 3 decades. And when
you do make contact, you cannotmurder my friends.
You must come and talk to me.

Matt (01:05:46):
Repeat that back to me. Yeah. And then please explain
any loopholes that you are awareof in this logic.

Rachel (01:05:55):
Oh, you don't want him to explain the loopholes because
he never would. He'd be like,no. It's solid. It's perfect. I
can never come talk to youagain.

Matt (01:06:01):
Well, like, right now, while while Nick has leverage
over LaCroix, it's like, okay.Here's here are my conditions.

Rachel (01:06:10):
Yeah.

Matt (01:06:11):
Now before I pull that out, I want you to find 3
loopholes and explain it to me,and I'm adding Yeah. I'm gonna
add that. Yeah. To cover thoseloopholes. Yeah.
Just to be a little extrathorough.

Rachel (01:06:25):
Yeah. He tells him, like, it's time I moved on, and
then he goes, at least for awhile. He's like, yeah. Well,
you were the one that came backto me, Nick, is what Lacroix
says. He's like, you're the onewho came back this time.
It wasn't the other way around.Like, the last time we broke up,
I found you, but this time, youfound me. And I he says, okay.

(01:06:47):
But you really do like me. Youjust don't know you do.

Matt (01:06:54):
Of course. I only hope that you will consider that you
chose to remain with me for solong of your own volition. You
really do like me. You justdon't know that you do.

Rachel (01:07:17):
I love that line so much because to me

Matt (01:07:21):
That's the core It

Rachel (01:07:23):
is like

Matt (01:07:23):
of Lacroix's perception Yes.

Rachel (01:07:26):
Their relationship. Yeah. You like me. You're just
not showing it. It's fine.
If you hated me, you'd kill me.And you haven't killed me, so
you must like me. It's like, ifyou didn't want me here, you
would board up the skylight, butyou don't. It's all

Matt (01:07:43):
it's all projection. It's like, if I hate somebody and I
never want to see them again, Irip their head off Yeah. And
throw them in the ocean. You saythat you hate me, but you have
not even attempted To kill me.To kill me.

Rachel (01:08:01):
I mean, you did that one time, but you didn't try

Matt (01:08:03):
very hard.
Mean it. You can't

Rachel (01:08:06):
mean it. This is

Matt (01:08:06):
all just playing hard to get, and I get that.

Rachel (01:08:11):
It really feels like LaCroix doesn't know how to
connect on the same level asNick. Like, Nick is human enough
that he has human expectationsfor relationships, and LaQuad
does not. And so it's like oiland water trying to be friends.
They can coexist, but they can'tmesh. Like, they can't they

(01:08:33):
can't see eye to eye.
They are communicating 3rdingredient. You need gelat.

Matt (01:08:39):
Yeah. I I was going to say a surfactant.

Rachel (01:08:44):
I like mine better.

Matt (01:08:46):
Like soap because it bonds to water and oil. Right. Maybe
that's what Jennette was.

Rachel (01:08:51):
Jennette is.

Matt (01:08:51):
Jennette was their

Rachel (01:08:53):
suspectant their bridge. Of their own little water. And
so he's like, I really wish youwould remember that you like me.
I know you like me, because youhaven't I mean, there's that one
time you tried to kill me whereyou, like, staked me and let me
on fire, but you didn't try hardbecause I got fathered.
Emotional.
You stake me in the stomach. Youdidn't try very hard.

Matt (01:09:11):
Right.

Rachel (01:09:11):
It's fine. Look. I pushed you a little hard. I'll
admit that. That's on me, and Ijust won't do that again.
Okay?

Matt (01:09:17):
Yeah. You lashed out because that's the only recourse
I gave you.

Rachel (01:09:20):
It was an emotional bid. I get it. Like, I'm I hear you.
But we come back to thepresident, and Nick is, like,
let's, yeah. I don't know whoyou are.
I don't remember you at all. AndLaCroix was like, that's cool.
Like, we've got time. We've gota lot of time for you to
remember who I am. And it's notso much who you are that you

(01:09:42):
need to remember.
It's what you are because you'respecial, and you're a killer.

Matt (01:09:48):
You have a special nature.

Rachel (01:09:50):
Yeah. And, you need to go outside. Like, if you don't
believe me, that's fine. Youdon't need to believe me, but
you could go outside andrediscover yourself for
yourself. Like, don't listen toNatalie.
Go outside. Find out who youare.

Matt (01:10:06):
Get some fresh air.

Rachel (01:10:07):
And this is when Natalie comes back and removes her coat
for the 2, 2, 2, 3rd time. It'smaking a lot of I've seen this
episode a lot of times, so I waslike, I can pick this stuff
apart. I can find little detailsbecause otherwise I could
probably recite this frommemory, But Natalie arrives, and
I wanna point out that Nataliehas actually never met Lacroix

(01:10:28):
that she remembers. So sheimmediately recognizes who he
is. She's like, oh, shit.

Matt (01:10:37):
Well, in this context, yes. I would say in the
hospital, it might be lesslikely

Rachel (01:10:43):
Yeah.

Matt (01:10:43):
That Natalie would recognize LaCroix for being
LaCroix.

Rachel (01:10:47):
Knows vampires on-site, so she could just know that's
another vampire.

Matt (01:10:51):
That is true. She has been able to recognize vampires
on-site. Yeah. But walking intoNick's apartment with Nick and
this older fella Yeah. This,what what do they call it?
Silver Fox.

Rachel (01:11:06):
Hell, yeah.

Matt (01:11:09):
But, oh, she knows exactly who this is.

Rachel (01:11:12):
She's like, oh my god. I didn't know we were gonna have a
threple situation. Keep it cool,Natalie. Keep it cool.

Matt (01:11:18):
Channel Jeanette.

Rachel (01:11:20):
Yeah. What would Jeanette do? Oh god. I don't
wanna know. So she's got moregroceries.
She's got 2 more bags ofgroceries, and she sets them on
the table, and she's like,LaCroix, thank you for your
help. Now get the fuck out.Like, thank you for helping me
at the hospital. I appreciatethe backup. Now I want you gone.

(01:11:41):
And he's like, I mean, cool.I'll go. But, I have to question
your motives here. Like, are yougonna are you gonna try and use
this as an opportunity to redeemhim? And she's like, get out
because poor Nick is over therelike, what?
Redeem me. What did I do? Whatit what was it? Okay. I don't

(01:12:04):
get it.
Guys? Guys? I thought we wereall free. Aren't you both my
buddies? I thought we were allfriends.
And she's like, leave. Just getout. And so he looks up at the
skylight, and she goes, by thedoor. I think you'd better leave

(01:12:24):
by the door.

Matt (01:12:30):
Whatever you say, doctor.

Rachel (01:12:33):
He's He's like, I ain't fucking fine. So he leaves that.

Matt (01:12:36):
I'll play along.

Rachel (01:12:37):
But when they come back over to Nick, Nick looks up at
the skylight and then looks overlike,

Matt (01:12:41):
why don't we all look at this kid's It's like the the
social experiments where peoplejust stand on the corner line.
Yeah.

Rachel (01:12:51):
Yeah. He looks up, and then he gets this confused like,
what? I don't get all this. Hey.I thought we were all together.
Like, he said we were specialfriends. Natalie and I are
special friends. Aren't we allspecial friends? Like, can't we
all have a where is he going?Come back handsome, man.

Matt (01:13:09):
That gave me tingling second sensations.

Rachel (01:13:13):
And Natalie's like, whoo. Dodge that bullet, and
then she just starts puttingaway groceries. And Nick is
like, boy, I have questions. Ihave so many questions. He's
like, he said I'm a killer.
What does he mean I'm a killer?And she's like, I don't know.
You're a cop. Like, sometimesyou shoot at people. Sometimes
they shoot at you.
You don't miss. They do. I don'tknow what's out. I don't know. I
don't know.
I don't know what he's talkingabout. And he's like, okay.

(01:13:35):
Well, you said I had a specialnature. What does that mean? And
she stops, and she's like, youdon't have to believe anything
that he said to you.
I mean, that's a good life tip.Like, that's just a good blanket
statement, but, also, you don'thave to believe anything he said
to you does not answer any ofhis questions, and she should
know Nick well enough at thispoint to know she needed to

(01:13:58):
stop, sit down, and give himsome explanation even if it
wasn't the full explanation.

Matt (01:14:04):
Right.

Rachel (01:14:05):
It's like I just stopped at the ATM the other day to get
cash, and I was getting cash topay somebody back who didn't
have like, I couldn't give him acheck. I couldn't pay him with
Venmo. I needed cash. And so mydaughter was like, why are we
here? I'm getting cash.
Okay. What for? How much? And Iwas like, well, I'm getting this
much to pay back this personbecause they helped me pay for

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this HVAC thing that happened,and they were there. I wasn't,
so they paid, so I need toreimburse them.
What's HVAC? So I had to stopand give a 15 minute
dissertation on the situation sothat she would know why we were
there, why we were getting cash,who I was paying, how much I was
paying. And I know my daughterwell enough to know we could
have gone back and forth likethis for hours where she would

(01:14:47):
just pop up with more questions,or I could sit down and explain
it, and we would be done withit. So I did that, and she was
like, okay. Okay.
Well, that's all Nick wants. Hewants Natalie to stop and be
like

Matt (01:15:00):
Explain things thoroughly.

Rachel (01:15:01):
That guy is not well, and he's trying to draw you into
something that

Matt (01:15:06):
been psychologically manipulating you For really most
most for most of your life.

Rachel (01:15:11):
For a really long time. And you were getting out of it,
and you were getting away fromhim, and you were trying to heal
your trauma from him. And, himcoming here was kind of not
cool, and I want you to kindaforget anything that he said
because it's not healthy. Okay?And instead, she's just like,
let me put the

Matt (01:15:29):
fact, assume he was lying.

Rachel (01:15:30):
Yeah. Just assume he was lying to you because he's trying
to manipulate you. And he'slike, well but she doesn't do
any of that. She's just like,no. No.
Don't believe him. And he'slike, but he said he was my
oldest friend. And Natalie'slike, I'm just I can't I'm not
receiving this right now. So shetakes out a pack of tortillas
and another bag of bread, whichis actually the same bag of

(01:15:51):
bread that she put in therefrigerator earlier. And she
grabs it in the middle.
She goes, yoink, and grabs thebag of bread in the center.

Matt (01:15:59):
Stressed.

Rachel (01:15:59):
Oh my god. And then she goes over and shoves all of that
in the refrigerator, and that'sall she takes out of her grocery
bag. So she got him apples, somesort of berry, celery, just like
a whole thing of celery, andbread. That's it. And then she
refuses to answer any of hisquestions, and she just goes,

(01:16:20):
you have to trust me.
Okay. I mean, I I will trust youif you tell me anything, but
you're not telling me anything.You're just like, trust me.
Okay. What am I trusting?
Your existence? I don't get it.And she's like, you have to
trust me. Oh, yeah. And I justremembered, don't leave this
apartment no matter what you do.
And he's like, where would I go?He doesn't answer. She says,

(01:16:44):
promise me promise me you willnot leave this apartment, and he
does not promise her that hewill not leave.

Matt (01:16:51):
Is a totally Nick move.

Rachel (01:16:52):
It's a total Nick move. He goes, why would I leave? And
she's like, listen. This iswhere she actually stops, and
she's like, I'm not gonna answeryour questions, but I'm gonna
give you a brief summary here.We've been trying to make a
change.
You've been trying to make achange for a long time, and this
might be our chance to do it.Okay? And he's like, what

(01:17:15):
changes that? And she goes, Imean, it just feels like we're
finally getting somewhere, andyou have to trust me. You have
to trust me.
And she, like, walks over to themantelpiece, and he follows her
over, and he's, like, superclose to her face. And she goes,
you have to go slowly with me. Imean, I mean, we have to go

(01:17:37):
slow. And he's like, I can doslow, but you have to trust me.
You have to go slowly with me.
We we both have to take thisslowly.

Matt (01:17:52):
We. What do you mean by we? Do we have a relationship?

Rachel (01:18:00):
No. No. We're just friends. And then he goes, what
do you mean by we? Do we have arelationship?
And she's like, no. No. No. Yougave me a card that said with
affection. He's like, shit.
I was a dick. She's like, yeah.That was a dick move. I will
never let them with affectiongo.

Matt (01:18:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Look. Here's the birthday card you gave me.

Rachel (01:18:21):
Yeah. Yeah. And here's the flowers you gave me, when
you went turned into a ragingasshole, and here's the flowers
you gave me the last time youwere a raging asshole. And then
I've just dried the flowers, andthen I marked them with what you
did. And then I took it to mywall.
Wall. And she goes, we have a wehave a a unique relationship.
Because he goes, you know, whenI first saw you, like, I knew we

(01:18:43):
had a connection. I could tell.Like, you gave me special
feelings, and she's like, well,you know, we have a unique
relationship.
And he goes, why? And she's justlike, I don't know. And he goes,
is it important? And I put in mynotes, sex hammer, which credits

(01:19:03):
credit Meg for sex hammer viaanother fan who referred to him
as having a sex hammer. It'slike just right between the eyes
because she's like, no.
What? I don't understand.Because he just

Matt (01:19:18):
Because he want he likes to nail things.

Rachel (01:19:20):
Yeah. And so this is a moment where we maybe will have
a little bit of a debate becausethere's a slight debate in the
community, maybe in my own mind,about whether or not they
actually have sex. Do we thinkthey have sex? Because from here
So we fade to black.

Matt (01:19:38):
They kiss, fade to black. Yep. Usually, making out fade to
black. Is is sex. Is sex.

Rachel (01:19:46):
Yeah.

Matt (01:19:46):
And then we get

Rachel (01:19:48):
Then we get next dream.

Matt (01:19:49):
Where immediately after the fade to black, we get bare
shoulder Natalie.

Rachel (01:19:56):
Dream. He has a sex dream.

Matt (01:19:57):
He has a sex dream.

Rachel (01:19:58):
Yeah.

Matt (01:20:01):
And and then we get Natalie waking up on the couch.
Yeah. So in in an interview thatGare did, he explained that
vampires can do the physicalstuff.

Rachel (01:20:14):
Is this the playgirl the playgirl article?

Matt (01:20:16):
Oh, I wasn't gonna

Rachel (01:20:18):
Oh, we're gonna do a special episode on the Playgirl
article. Yeah. But that's Therewere questions

Matt (01:20:23):
about vampire sex. And so Garett was explaining that
vampires can do the humanphysical stuff
Mhmm.
But it's not as fulfilling or

Rachel (01:20:34):
It's not all they

Matt (01:20:35):
as they do. Sensational Combo. As actually drinking
blood. Yeah. And so, like, thewhole Nick and Jeanette drinking
each other's blood when they getriled up, that's the whole
thing.

Rachel (01:20:49):
Yeah. That's all they need.

Matt (01:20:51):
That's all they need, but they can do the the regular
human physical stuff.

Rachel (01:20:56):
Yeah.

Matt (01:20:56):
So if Gare is he's full up on blood from Natalie's blood
bag.

Rachel (01:21:03):
Yeah.

Matt (01:21:04):
He's he's got a little extra mojo from Lacroix blood.

Rachel (01:21:09):
Yeah.

Matt (01:21:10):
So he's not really hungry.

Rachel (01:21:12):
And then doesn't know that that's what the hunger is.

Matt (01:21:14):
Right. And then he doesn't even know if that hunger was
strong, he wouldn't even knowthat it was for blood.

Rachel (01:21:20):
Right.

Matt (01:21:22):
So it's totally feasible that fuck boy Nick would be
like, yeah. We're getting it on,and take her to bed.

Rachel (01:21:31):
I mean, they're both adults. They're both in their
thirties. Yeah. They clearlyhave chemistry. They're alone
together.

Matt (01:21:38):
She is broadcasting that she wants this.

Rachel (01:21:42):
This feels consensual on both sides.

Matt (01:21:44):
Yep. And so for for them to have sex Yeah. And then and
then she goes to sleep on thecouch is, like, totally
plausible.

Rachel (01:21:57):
Right.

Matt (01:21:58):
And even if he's not as sated as he could be, he
wouldn't know any better.

Rachel (01:22:06):
Right. This kind of to me, that's why I like to think
of this episode as like a momentout of time, almost like a non
canonical episode. Because, one,we're never gonna reference the
fact that he lost his memoriesat really ever again, because
it's implied at the end that hedoesn't get them back and that
Lacroix is the one who supplieshim with all of his memories.
And how much do we think Lacroixdidn't tell the fucking truth so

(01:22:28):
that he could get this guy onhis side? A 100%.
He did not tell the fuckingtruth. So we can't rely on
Lacroix being the one who, like,filled in all the gaps. 800
years' worth of stories and hewasn't even there for a good
portion of them. Mhmm. So, wedon't really come back to this
ever again, which means that wecan kind of to me, I feel like I

(01:22:50):
can separate it out becausethere are events that will
happen later in the 3rd season,which imply Like, I like to
think that Natalie got thismoment.

Matt (01:23:08):
Mhmm.

Rachel (01:23:09):
And so for me, I go with yes because I like to think that
whether or not it affects whathappens for the rest of the
season doesn't matter. Now wegot this one moment with
effectively human Nick.

Matt (01:23:23):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:23:23):
Where they got to be together.

Matt (01:23:25):
Or as Nick would say, she got that dick.

Rachel (01:23:27):
Yeah. She got that dick For just this moment.

Matt (01:23:32):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:23:32):
Just this moment. And this isn't the Nick that we're
this isn't really Nick. It'snot.

Matt (01:23:38):
This is this is,

Rachel (01:23:42):
raw Nick.

Matt (01:23:44):
Uncooked. Prevamp Nick?

Rachel (01:23:47):
Yeah. This is Nick who Nick would be without any life
experience.

Matt (01:23:52):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:23:53):
And without the vampire hanging over him, without any of
he just gets to be himself andhimself wants Natalie, and I
really hope she cashed in thatcheck. That's all I'm saying. So
Nick goes immediately from thismake out session slash bang
session, whichever one you wannago with, by the mantelpiece,

(01:24:15):
which ended with Natalie fallingasleep on the couch, which maybe
they had sex on the couch. Shefell asleep, and he just got up
and went to his bed.

Matt (01:24:22):
Very possible. It is right in front of the fireplace.

Rachel (01:24:25):
It is. It's right there. And so he goes upstairs.

Matt (01:24:30):
Place 20 years earlier. It would have been on the

Rachel (01:24:34):
On the

Matt (01:24:34):
the fur rug in front of the fireplace.

Rachel (01:24:37):
It's like the horrible seventies movies I put you
through. So Nick's sex dream isNatalie with bare shoulders, so
implied nude Natalie. I wannapoint out, however, that Nick is
wearing his bathrobe.

Matt (01:24:52):
Pulled up tight.

Rachel (01:24:53):
Pulled up, like, cinched. Like, ain't nothing
getting out. He is even in a sexdream, he is not nude. And he,
like at first, they're, like,making out, and she's like, take
me, turn me, like, let's makethis happen. And so he bites
her, and it pans out, andLacroix is watching them.

(01:25:19):
In a cuckold situation, I guess.I don't

Matt (01:25:22):
know what you wanna call this.

Rachel (01:25:23):
I don't know. It's a I mean, this is a okay. I don't
know. I don't wanna get into,like, threeple. Like, what I
don't

Matt (01:25:30):
want This would just be, like, a voyeuristic thing.

Rachel (01:25:33):
Yeah. Which is it, like, a thing that there are there are
people for whom that is what issatisfying.

Matt (01:25:38):
There are people who like to watch. There are people who
like to be watched.

Rachel (01:25:41):
And, apparently, in the in his sex dreams, Lacroix is
watching. I'm just gonna putthat on the table. Okay?

Matt (01:25:48):
I could totally see Lacroix wanting to watch. I
don't know that Nick would wantto be watched.

Rachel (01:25:56):
Does he have a choice, or does he just show up mid
whatever? He's just like fuckingLacroix back. Don't don't don't
just don't look over there.Okay.

Matt (01:26:07):
But then Lecla hypnotizes Natalie so that Natalie thinks
she can't see Lecla. SoNatalie's like, what do you why
are you distracted? Like,there's nobody else here. Just
let's get on with this.

Rachel (01:26:21):
Anyway, it's a sex dream. It doesn't matter. I'm
just gonna lay that on on thetable. That's the thing that
happened. And, apparently, itwas fine with him because they
they proceeded even with him,like, dramatically lit in the
background.
And then he, like, pops awake,and he has this really, like,
shook look on his face. Like,what the actual fuck? Like, oh

(01:26:42):
my god. What is in my oh, Jesus.He's like, those are my buddies.
Why were you putting my buddiesin my dream?

Matt (01:26:50):
Okay. So from his his, like, limited psyche

Rachel (01:26:55):
Yeah.

Matt (01:26:55):
His brain spanking new consciousness

Rachel (01:26:58):
Yep.

Matt (01:27:01):
He only has 2 close personal connections in the
world.

Rachel (01:27:05):
Yeah.

Matt (01:27:05):
And he just says, like, you know, he's a dream. He has a
dream, and he's integratingthese relationships as he
perceives them, and his brainthrew up something weird.

Rachel (01:27:17):
Yeah.

Matt (01:27:17):
But it's not it's not surprising that it involved the
only 2, like, close personalconnections

Rachel (01:27:25):
that he's made. Seems surprised. He is shook when he
wakes up, and he's like, there'sonly one thing to do, and that's
investigate. Disturbing,

Matt (01:27:34):
but it's not surprising that the 2 other people in his
dream were the 2 other Yeah.Like, friends that he's met
since he woke up.

Rachel (01:27:43):
And he's like, honestly, there's only one thing that I
could possibly do in thatsituation, and that's leave,
just like I told Natalie. Ididn't actually promise that I
wouldn't. So I

Matt (01:27:53):
don't said, where would I go?

Rachel (01:27:55):
Right. He's like, well, now I know where I'm going.
Yeah. Now I got a place to be.So he gets his gun, which I have
to question letting the amnesiacpolice officer keep his weapon,
but that's fine.
And so he gets his gun, and hegoes out, and he's driving
because he can still drive. Sothat's nice. And he remembers
what station the nightcrawler ison. That or every single button

(01:28:16):
on his radio is set

Matt (01:28:17):
to Yes.

Rachel (01:28:18):
The nightcrawler. Or as Matt implied, maybe he's not on
the radio at all. Maybe he justshows up in Nick's head.

Matt (01:28:25):
A proposal I made to Rachel was regarding the
nightcrawler, maybe when Nick isjust driving in his car,
listening to the nightcrawler,maybe it's not always on the
radio. Sometimes it's on theradio. Like, Skanky could hear
the nightcrawler sometimes.Natalie's come into Nick's

(01:28:47):
apartment when he's listened toit on his stereo system. So we
know he does actually broadcastat some point Yeah.
Sometimes. But it's oddlyconvenient that every time Nick
is driving LaCroix on. LaCroixon. Yeah. The nightcrawler's on.

Rachel (01:29:06):
Let's see if that might

Matt (01:29:07):
be taped. Maybe sometimes, LaCroix is just broadcasting
psychically directly into Nick'shead.

Rachel (01:29:15):
Maybe Lacroix is recording himself on tape, and
then he just finds Nick's carand changes the tape out.
Goddamn it, Lacroix.

Matt (01:29:26):
Yeah. The the car is turned off. He just sticks the
tape in and presses the playbutton so that way when it turns
on, it auto plays.

Rachel (01:29:32):
Plays? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like you used to do in your
friend's car. Like, you'd turnthe you'd put play, and then you
turn the volume all the way up.

Matt (01:29:38):
Mhmm.

Rachel (01:29:38):
Yeah. So he's listening to the Nightcrawler podcast in
the car as he's driving to theparaded warehouse without having
to look up directions or callanybody or talk to anybody at
all. And it's like, hi, friends.I'm the nightcrawler. I'm your
balm in Gilead is what he says.
He goes, this one is for lostfriends. The way back for 1 is

(01:30:03):
the way back for all.

Matt (01:30:10):
The nightcrawler. And I'll be with you until the sun rises,
keeping you company, soothingyour confusion. Your barn in
Gilead. Tonight's meditation isdedicated to lost friends. Lost
from each other, lost fromthemselves.

(01:30:34):
And the simple fact is, the wayback for 1 is the way back for
the other. For we must neverforget what we are or whom we
came from. This is ourlifeblood, our nourishment.

(01:30:54):
Without it, we wither and maycome nothing.
I'm imagining Nick getting in the car and being like, hey,
this guy sounds familiar.

Rachel (01:31:06):
Okay. Have I listened to this guy? I must listen to him a
lot. Well, maybe he's

Matt (01:31:10):
a Was this my friend?
Oh my god. Am I listening

Rachel (01:31:12):
to my friend, Delabranio? He has a radio
program? Oh, man. I shouldgotten his autograph, man.

Matt (01:31:17):
I didn't know my friend was famous.

Rachel (01:31:19):
Oh, I love my friends. And Lacoste says, never forget
where you came from, which is acommonly quoted line for Matt
and I. There's a is it, Zoewhat's her name? Zoe?

Matt (01:31:36):
Zoe Saldana. Yeah. Is it a movie where she's, like, an
assassin or something?

Rachel (01:31:40):
It's Columbiana, I think, but the preview for it
just repeated, never forgetwhere you came from. So we were

Matt (01:31:45):
In this, like, sotto voce

Rachel (01:31:47):
Never forget where you came from. And it's, like, 5
times in the trailer for it. Andwe saw it in the the movie
theater.

Matt (01:31:52):
It was really impactful.

Rachel (01:31:54):
Yeah. We're, like, never forget where you came from. So,
god, that was years ago. Yeah.Probably, like, a decade or
more.

Matt (01:32:00):
And I

Rachel (01:32:01):
still never forget where you came from. And so Tracy is
looking at mugshots because poorfucking Tracy has still never
gone home, and she actuallydoesn't get to interact with
Nick at all after he wakes up.She doesn't see Nick in this
entire episode. She sees himshot and then never again. And,
Reese is like, listen.

(01:32:23):
Can we chill out with this?Because, like, you aren't
getting anywhere. You're justspinning your wheels. What do we
have to lose from sending herhome and letting her rest? And
then we go back to Nick becausehe's arrived at the warehouse to
investigate.
I put in my notes. Good thing hestill has Toronto memorized. And
then he goes into the warehouse,and it does this, like, thing

(01:32:46):
where it zooms around his headas he's remembering whatever
happened in the warehouse, butit must be uncomfortable because
there's this, like, screeching,screaming noise as it's swirling
around his head. And so in mynotes, I put the amount of
screaming you should hear inyour head at any given time is 0
because it's just like, becausehe's just like you know, it's

(01:33:09):
like a traumatic event. He walksin, and, like, all of these
memories start coming back, andhe's a blank slate, so it must
feel terrible.
And he gets caught by thesecurity guard, because he's
standing there, like, holdinghis head, and this is a closed
crime scene, and he looksawfully suspicious. And she's
like, what are you doing here?This is a protected crime scene.
A cop got shot here, and he'slike, yeah, I know. I'm the cop

(01:33:32):
who got shot here.
And he actually goes and getshis badge, and she's like,
slowly. So she takes the badgeout and hands it to her, and he
sounds so tired. This wholescene, he just sounds like, like
I am just having a really hardday. I just, and I can I just
say, you look delicious? Becauseshe's talking to him and he just

(01:33:54):
hears, like, And he, like, looksat her throat, and then he,
like, turns away and vamps out.
Like, oh my god. Like, he can'the's so hungry. It just
overcomes him. And then he hasto, like, reel it back because
she's like, are you okay? Andthen he turns around, and he's
back to normal again.
And this is another scene that Ireally like in this episode,
which is probably why I watchedit a bunch, which is the, like,

(01:34:16):
no. I'm fine. I'm fine. But,like, I'm walking this really
fine line. I don't even knowwhat this line is.
I don't know what's on the otherside of this line because no one
will tell me.

Matt (01:34:27):
Right.

Rachel (01:34:27):
But for a minute there, I wanted to eat you. And I don't
know what that means.

Matt (01:34:32):
I'm having weird intrusive thoughts right now. I need to
call my therapist.

Rachel (01:34:37):
I don't know her number, but

Matt (01:34:39):
and I

Rachel (01:34:39):
don't have a cell phone, so it's not saved in there. And
she's like, okay. Well, you looklike shit. And he's like, yeah.
Okay.
I'm tired. I got shot in thehand. Can you just go? And she's
like, okay. But, like, you'regonna be alright?
And he's like, okay. I'll seemyself out. And so as soon as
she walks away, he turns aroundand goes out the like, the
emergency exit, but the sun hasrisen. So it's a real good thing

(01:35:00):
he didn't take her up on heroffer for him to walk out
because Yeah. This guy wouldhave showed up at this protected
crime scene, given him given herhis badge, said he was the one
who got shot in the head andmiraculously came back to life.
And then as soon as they wentout into the sun, he would have
burst into flames. Yeah. He Itwould have been a real that day.

Matt (01:35:19):
He needs to go outside like he needs a hole in the
head.
Yeah.

Rachel (01:35:25):
You are on a rock. The smirk. The, like, mhmm. It's the
same smirk that Natalie got.They're like, oh, yeah.
I am on it today. God, honey. SoNatalie wakes up back at the
apartment. She must sense adisturbance in the force because
she sits up, and it's like, myhair. Her hair still looks

(01:35:46):
amazing.
It doesn't even look like sheslept, and she's wearing, like,
6 layers. She's got, like, ashirt and a bath. It must be
cold in there. I wonder if heonly has the fireplace for me.

Matt (01:35:55):
Toronto. Good

Rachel (01:35:56):
job. And they're always wearing coats. It must be winter
in Toronto just constantly. SoNatalie wakes up, and she's
like, oh, I had a really greatnight. And then she's like, oh,
shit.
The windows are open. Nick?Nick? And then she pushes the
button to close the blinds justas Nick, like, comes in the not
an elevator wrapped in ablanket, which who he must have

(01:36:19):
accosted a poor personexperiencing homelessness and
taken their blanket and beenlike, I need this more than you
do, and then just run off. Andhe, like, collapses on the
ground and actually rewounded acouple times because he makes
this really weird sound.
He goes like like, he makesthis, like, oh, god. Like, in
pain sound. And he falls on theground, and she's like, oh,
why'd you go outside? Ishould've caught that you didn't

(01:36:44):
promise you wouldn't go outside.And she's like, we were so
close, because he starts going,what am I?
Like, he's angry, justifiablyangry because this was important
information, and all she didwas, like, listen. Do me a
favor. And if you need anything,let me know, and I'll go out and
get it for you. Don't leave theapartment. She did not explain

(01:37:04):
he would fucking burst intoflames if you walked outside.
So he is upset, and he'sactually a little bit physical
with her in this moment. Like,he grabs her by the shoulders,
and he's like, what am I? Whatcould be so horrible that you
won't tell me what I am? Andshe's like, oh, we were so

(01:37:26):
fucking close. Why do you haveto be the way you are?
And he goes, because Iremembered that I sensed the
shooter before I saw them. Andthat means something, doesn't
it? What does that mean? And he,like, pulls her into a hug,
like, pulls her up against hischest. And then he, like, stops

(01:37:48):
for a minute, and then he pushesher back out again.
So it's like, boop boop. Like,he just slams her into his
chest. And then he's like, Iremember what he looked like. I
remember what the shooter lookedlike. I gotta go.
I gotta go help, and she's like,you can't go anywhere until the
sun goes down. And he's like,why? Like, did were you there
when you burst into flames,like, 5 minutes ago?

Matt (01:38:09):
Did you already forget again?

Rachel (01:38:10):
Can you like put those 2 together? Maybe that's why. And
she goes, Oh, cause you're avampire. And he's like, I'm a
what now? Cause you're avampire.
And he's like, shit. And Tracyfinally gets to go home, and
she's having a snack. Shehopefully had a nap, and she
gets a call from the bad guybecause, remember, there's a bad

(01:38:32):
guy they were supposed to becatching.

Matt (01:38:33):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:38:34):
Yeah. And this is the weirdest phone call. And, Tracy
goes, who is this? And the guysays, not important, which truer
words, honestly, not important.Not important.
He's like, do you believe inJimmy? Because Jimmy believes in
you. Jimmy also believes inSanta Claus. Literally says,

(01:38:54):
Jamie believes in Santa Claus.And Tracy's like, okay.
And he's like, Jimmy's gonnabelieve in you down by the docks
tonight, the concrete docks orwhatever. And she's like, okay.
So she writes concrete docksharbor on her little legal pad.
Well, good thing. She couldn'tremember that without writing it
down because that's good laterwhen we need to figure out where
she is because, of course, shedoesn't actually tell anybody

(01:39:16):
that the bad guy contacted heror that he gave her a meeting
point or that she might needbackup or any of that.
Like, she didn't just see herpartner get shot, and she
doesn't realize that thesituation is serious. And so
then we come back, and Nick issitting at his table, and he's
like, I'm all better. I'm allbetter. Right? Like, look at my
face.
My face is all better. Is thatnormal? And Natalie's like,

(01:39:38):
yeah. Why do you think youdidn't die when you got shot in
the head? He's like, because itdidn't really get shot in the
head.
She's like, no. He really gotshot in the head. He's like, but
you said I didn't get a shot inthe head. And she goes, I lied.
She just says, I lied.
And he's like

Matt (01:39:54):
I lied to psychologically manipulate you just like
Lacroix. Shh. Don't. Don't.Don't.
Don't. To form a closer, morepersonal

Rachel (01:40:04):
Nope. Friendship No. Relationship with the dick? No.
I I will hold with none of this.
I'm sorry.

Matt (01:40:16):
I'm not receiving that right now. Some parallels here.

Rachel (01:40:18):
No. There's not. It's not. There's no parallels.
They're not even on the samegrid.
Get out of here. Okay. So he'slike, how long? How long have I
been a vampire? And she's like,767 years.
And he's like, oh, so, like, awhile. Yeah. Like a while. And
he goes, Natalie, is this whatmakes you so sad?

Matt (01:40:42):
Natalie, is this is what I am the thing that makes you so
sad?

Rachel (01:40:52):
It's what's kept us apart.

Matt (01:40:54):
But we're together now.

Rachel (01:40:58):
Like, that's his first question. Not like, how did I
get to be this way? But justlike, oh, is this why you're
sad? Because I'm a vampire andyou're not.

Matt (01:41:10):
Is this the thing that's keeping us apart?

Rachel (01:41:12):
Is this yeah. And she that's what she tells him. She
goes, it's kept us apart. Like,it's why we're not together. And
he's like, yeah.
We'll tell that to little Nickafter less.

Matt (01:41:23):
Or is it big Nick?

Rachel (01:41:24):
Or is it big Nick? Can can we go do that again right
now, actually? And she's like,no. No. Put the sex hammer away.
Like, we can't have therelationship we want, Nick. It
won't work that way. And he'slike, pretty sure it works just
fine. And then he gets up like,oh, god. This is so traumatic

(01:41:46):
for all involved.
And he gets up and he, like,collapses, and Natalie does the,
like, like, exasperated, liketries she's like, get up. Come
on. Get sit in the seat. She,like, manhandles him into the
seat, and then she goes over andpours the blood from the already
open bottle. She doesn't have toopen that bottle, which means
the blood's just been sittingopen on the counter.

Matt (01:42:08):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:42:08):
Yeah. It's fine. So he chugs it, rather appreciatively,
and she's like, but you don'tnormally drink that. You drink
cow blood. You haven't had humanblood in weeks.
Like, a while. You haven't hadhuman blood in a while. And he's
like, oh, okay. So he, like,sticks the whole end of his the
bottle in his mouth, and he'slike, like, tips it back. And

(01:42:33):
then he puts it down and thengives her this look that's like,
oh, no.
I really am a vampire, aren't I?Like, I really like that. I'm so
sorry. Because it's this, like,doe eyed look like, oh, shit.
It's all true.
And so the guy who called Tracy,not that it matters, is Leon

(01:42:54):
Sharp, and we know that becauseNick IDs him. Because he doesn't
tell her his name. He just tellsher that Jimmy believes in Santa
Claus, which doesn't give us allthat much information. And Reese
recognizes him. He's like, oh,that guy.
Yeah. That guy's brother gotkilled in a shootout, like, a
couple of years back, and thecaptain that shot him was

(01:43:15):
Tracy's dad. So this is arevenge thing. Well, good. I'm
glad that Reese was there andthat Reese knew all of that very
you know what?
It's because

Matt (01:43:23):
To tell us the non important plot information?

Rachel (01:43:26):
I think Reese has a bunch of, like, police
commissioner trading cards thathe's made for himself, and he's
like, that's his most covetedone. He's like, I've got 3
copies of Better.

Matt (01:43:36):
Yeah. It's like it's like other people are into, like,
baseball stats or hockey statsYeah. And he's into police
stats.

Rachel (01:43:43):
Yeah. Because it it fits with his overall like, he's the
political captain. He's thecaptain who's on the rise and
trying to be on the rise. And wecut to Tracy, and Tracy's at the
cement docks, and it doesn'treally matter. She gets shot at,
and the guy's like, it's nice tomeet you.
And she goes, pleasure's allmine. Okay. We have some witty
banter. I don't know. This isjust to, like this was to get

(01:44:05):
Nick shot in the head and thenwrap it up.
Yeah. Yeah. And Nick is backlooking for Tracy again, and
luckily, he remembers he canfly. He goes to his car, and
then he's like, that guy lookedat the skylight. Like, maybe he
could fly.
I kinda feel like I couldprobably do that. And then he
flies off, and he flies to herapartment. So luckily, he both
knows where her apartment is andremembers how to get there via

(01:44:28):
the air. And he finds the notethat she can't that she
helpfully left was, like,meeting bad guy tomorrow at 10
concrete docks Harbor. And he'slike, oh, I wonder where she
could be.
So he, like, flies off again.And then blah blah, Tracy, blah
blah, Leon, blah blah

Matt (01:44:46):
blah blah blah.

Rachel (01:44:47):
No one cares. And then some barrels explode, which kind
of sounds expensive. We musthave had a lot of explosives
because the whole back, like,thing with LaCroix, which we
didn't actually cover, but hedoes pull the thing out of
Lacroix's chest. And then hegives Lacroix his blood. He does
the same thing that Lacroixdoesn't know.

Matt (01:45:05):
He doesn't do wrist to wrist. He just pours in
Lacroix's mouth.

Rachel (01:45:08):
Right. Because Lacroix's awake.

Matt (01:45:09):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:45:11):
And they must have had explosive left over because
there's quite a few fires on thebattlefield in the, like,
Bolshevik revolution

Matt (01:45:18):
where

Rachel (01:45:19):
they are. And Nick, like, uses this distraction to
land on the walkway, and thenhe, like, like, knocks, like,
hisses at Leon, and Leon getsknocked off and falls down. And
he's like, well, that wasn'tactually that bad. And then he
flies off. And what does he tellNatalie?
Oh, it's fine. I killed him. I'mback now. Like, I already took

(01:45:39):
care of that. Like, can we talkabout how I'm a vampire again?
Like, am I a killer? Seriously?I'm a killer? Like like, you
didn't just go and

Matt (01:45:45):
get that.

Rachel (01:45:49):
And then we go to

Matt (01:45:50):
The guy got surprised and fell down.

Rachel (01:45:52):
Yeah. It was weird. No. He pushes him. He pushes him
off.
Because he like okay.

Matt (01:45:56):
Yeah. I was

Rachel (01:45:57):
Yeah.

Matt (01:45:58):
Thinking about

Rachel (01:45:59):
surprised by story. Me putting my hands on his chest
and pushing him backwards. Sothen we go to Lacroix and
Lacroix's podcasting, but we hadthis really weird camera angle
where it's, like, directly infront of his face. It's very
curiouser and curiouser, the,like, odd angle. Because
remember in curiouser andcuriouser, we did the, like,
above Lacroix, and then he hadthe itty bitty tiny little

(01:46:20):
coffee cup.

Matt (01:46:20):
Yes.

Rachel (01:46:21):
Well, it's kinda like that, but just directly on his
face. And we get the, like,flashback to the raven lighting
of old, the, like, purplegreenish bisexual lighting that
they used to have. And LaCroixis like, all's well that ends
well, although it never reallydoes end for some of us, does
it? And this is when he says,when you have a friend in the

(01:46:44):
nightcrawler, who needs enemies?Which I was thinking about
updating our I'm working on moremerch, and I was thinking about
updating our nightcrawler one

Matt (01:46:55):
Mhmm.

Rachel (01:46:55):
To put, like, when you have a friend in the
nightcrawler who needs enemies.

Matt (01:46:59):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:47:01):
And we come back to Nick and Natalie, and Nick is like,
listen. You just gotta bear withme. Like, we can get back to
that thing that we had. Like,that was good, and I liked it.
And I think we could get backthere, but, like, I need a
minute to figure out who I amand to figure out what all this
means.
And, you know, I think I knowwho I need to go to to get all
the answers. And she's like,well, I know I can't fill in all

(01:47:23):
the blanks because I haven'tknown you that long. So, you
know, go go to your manipulativeevil master. I'm sure that he
will help you become a betterperson. That's fine.
Go ahead. Go ahead. And so, Imean, what what else can she do?
She can't. He apparently wantsanswers.
He'll stop at nothing to getthem. She can't give them to
him. Only Lacroix can. So fine.You just have to trust that Nick

(01:47:46):
will remember enough thatLacroix can't take him in and be
like, we have traveled togetherall 800 years.
We are like bros. And I mean,like, bro bro. Like, we're best
friends. Like, everything I tellyou to do, you do. You don't
question me.
You just follow me. We're, like,best friends. That's what best
friends do.

Matt (01:48:06):
Every week, I call you up and say, hey. Party time. And
you know exactly what thatmeans. Yeah. And you're here in,
like, 30 seconds.
Yeah. And we go out, and we

Rachel (01:48:18):
We party.

Matt (01:48:19):
We paint the town red.

Rachel (01:48:21):
Oh, we do? Oh, okay. That that feels right. But, you
know, he walks in. Like, Nickwalks into the Raven, and he
walks past a bunch of fish,which I thought was really funny
because we went to see when wewent to Salva, which is the
restaurant that is currently inthe location where the original
Raven was filmed.
Mhmm. They had fish hanging fromthe ceiling, and so the fish

(01:48:43):
here.

Matt (01:48:43):
Right. These ones are on, like, posts Yeah. In in some
kind of, like, decorativeborder.

Rachel (01:48:49):
I'm very much done. It was a callback, but the fish was
a a hysterical irony. There wasno oh, man. We didn't go to the
Raven. That's why I was gonnasay there's no beefcake booty
short in this episode.

Matt (01:48:59):
There was no Vashon?

Rachel (01:49:01):
Maybe that's why I like this episode. Okay. So he walks
in and LaCroix is like, oh,Nick. This can't possibly be a
social call. Is it an urgentpolice matter?
And you gotta feel for LaCroixin that moment because, like, he
likes Nick. We know that becausehe said several times, like, if
you die, I would miss you. Like,I miss you for, like, a whole

(01:49:22):
week. Like, I would feel sad ifyou were gone. And, like, he's
he obviously likes him in someway because he refuses to let
him go.
Like, he refuses to let theirrelationship go. Does he handle
trying to get him back well? No.Not at all. But is it well
meaning from his perspective?
Yes. And yet, the only time thatNick even wants to have anything

(01:49:44):
to do with him is when he needshim for work.

Matt (01:49:48):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:49:48):
And so he shows up, and it's like, I mean, I saved your
life, and I tried to help you,but what what the fuck ever? Are
you here? Because you've got,like, you're solving a case or
whatever. And he's like, no. Ifigured that the only person who
could tell me who I was is myoldest friend.
He's like, well, the sun'scoming up, so you're gonna be
stuck here. And he's like, I'maware. He's like, okay. Well,

(01:50:13):
it's gonna take a long time. Andhe's like, yeah.
I'm told we have eternity. Andhe goes, good. Like, I'm glad
Natalie told you that, becauseyour story is a long one. And
that's where we leave it. It'sjust like, they're gonna have
some good dad son bonding time.
Like friend, they're more likefriends, like

Matt (01:50:33):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:50:34):
I know. He literally made himself a friend, but then
didn't know how to keep him.

Matt (01:50:39):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:50:40):
So I like this episode so much. I think it's because to
me, it just feels like anoutlier. It's kinda like
curiouser and curiouser, wherecuriouser and curiouser. Yes.
They're all sort of shortstories, but some of them are
more Mhmm.

Matt (01:51:00):
Mhmm.

Rachel (01:51:01):
Like, what could Nick be? How could how would Nick
move through the world if he hadno idea where he had come from?
If he thought he was, like, amid thirties police officer dude
who was good at his job. Yeah.And I think they pull it off
really, really well, And I thinkthey pull off all of the
interactions really well.
And I think that it ends upmaking the reveal, like, having

(01:51:25):
to tell him he's a vampire andthen having to have him go and
learn all of the terrible thingsthat he has done, like, as
bittersweet as it should be.Like, yes, he has the right to
his memories. But what wouldthat be like to come back and be
like, oh, I'm a good dude. I Igot hurt saving my partner.

(01:51:46):
Okay.
Well, let me tell you about the102 to 300000 odd people that
you've murdered over the last800 years? Take a seat at the
bar. We've got plenty of time.Oh, and then that's how you
killed that lady. Oh, and thenthere was this one time you got
really creative with sometoothpicks.
Like, how did that story go?Like, how did that go? Because
there was a time in Nick's lifewhere he was not, he was just

Matt (01:52:10):
He was a monster.

Rachel (01:52:11):
He was a monster, and so he has to learn all about that
too. And then he has to learnabout, like, all the all the
times that Lacroix tricked him.

Matt (01:52:20):
Yeah. My interpretation is that Nick is, like, piecemeal
getting some memories back, andand he doesn't have to, like,
relearn his entire history. Hejust needs, like, a reminder to
recall the memory.

Rachel (01:52:39):
Yeah. I mean but just how shitty would that be? Like,
you're Matt. You wake up onemorning and you're like, ah, I
got a good girlfriend. I got agood job.
And then throughout the courseof the day, you're like, shit. I
think I'm an 800 year oldvampire. Oh, did I kill how many
people have I killed? Oh my god.Did I kill somebody like that?

(01:53:01):
That oh, no. That's fucked up.Is that me? Shit.

Matt (01:53:04):
I can't believe I could have done something like that.

Rachel (01:53:06):
Oh, god. And so you have to relive all that trauma all
over again. Mhmm. I don't know.I like this episode.
It feels very small, very micro,I think, because there's not a
lot going on. It's really justthe characters.

Matt (01:53:21):
Yeah.
And,

Rachel (01:53:23):
of course, the characters are my favorite.
They're what make the episode.Do the plots make the episode?
Almost never. Almost never.
Do the characters make it? Yes.Fucking yes. That's why I watch
the show. And this is myfavorite version of LaCroix,
the, like, bittersweetpsychopath

Matt (01:53:40):
who The buddy system.

Rachel (01:53:43):
Who just doesn't know how to connect with the people
that he wants to connect withand doesn't even have the tools
in his toolbox to figure it out.He can't cobble together a
personality that Nick will like.He doesn't want to. He just
wants Nick to like him for him.Right.
But it just never seems tohappen. And we're gonna get a

(01:54:05):
little bit we're gonna grow onthat from here on out, and so
that's what I really lovebecause we get more growth of
their whole dynamic in the nextepisode. So I'm excited to get
to that one. But bittersweet,just like Nick's returning
memory, because every episode wecut from here on out is the

(01:54:26):
second half of season 3, whichis the last season ever of
forever night until we rebootit, which I just need anybody
whoever knows who holds therights. Just go ahead and sign
them over to me.
I know exactly what we need todo. I've already got a good team
together. Just we're gonna makethis happen.

Matt (01:54:46):
Okay? Alright. Maybe Garrett can be the police
captain.

Rachel (01:54:50):
I want no. Okay. Here's what so my joke, not joke, is I
think if you ever rebooted this,you have to bring Gair back as
the Lacroix character. Oh. Juststraight as Lacroix.
Don't change the character. Justmake Gare be Lacroix.

Matt (01:55:06):
The actor that plays the Lacroix character. Yeah.

Rachel (01:55:09):
Yeah. And then you could have Nigel as, like, the police
captain.

Matt (01:55:13):
Unless he's retired.

Rachel (01:55:14):
He probably I don't know what he's he's doing. I I hope
he's doing wonderful, and I hopehe's doing having a great time
at whatever he's doing. I knowKath the rendisher is because
she does a lot of Hallmarkstuff.

Matt (01:55:24):
Mhmm.

Rachel (01:55:24):
And she gets to be, like, quirky and funny, which is
when she looks like she's havingthe most fun being Natalie is
when she gets to be, like, a funcharacter and not the, like, I'm
traumatized and dramatic.

Matt (01:55:36):
Or I'm here purely for exposition.

Rachel (01:55:38):
In last episode, somebody tried to take my heart.

Matt (01:55:44):
So And it wasn't Nick.

Rachel (01:55:46):
It wasn't Nick. Actually, Kathryn Disher is
gonna be at a, con in Florida atthe beginning of February.

Matt (01:55:56):
Orlando.

Rachel (01:55:56):
Orlando, Florida. So if you're anywhere around Orlando,
she's gonna be there. So It's

Matt (01:56:01):
like February 1st?

Rachel (01:56:02):
I think so. Like, 1st to 3rd, something like that. Yeah.
So I'm really excited. We'regonna drive down and see her.
So I'm stoked. Then I'll havemet Nick and Natalie. I'll
remember meeting Natalie onehopes. If I don't, there's
something I need I need there'shelp that I need of some of some
version or form. And Meg isgoing with me, which means we're

(01:56:25):
probably going to get, like, theMeg recap, which I know we're
all excited about.

Matt (01:56:30):
So we just need to track down Nigel and Deb.

Rachel (01:56:34):
Yeah. Which Deb retired. She got done with Furmanite, and
she was like, peace out,motherfuckers. So I don't even
know where she is. There's itwould feel inappropriate to find
her because, like, she's lived awhole life, like, 30 plus years
since Forever Night.
She probably never comes up inher day life that she's she was
in this cult classic televisionshow forever ago. They did her

(01:57:00):
dirty, so I get it.

Matt (01:57:02):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:57:02):
Yeah. I'm pretty sure Nigel lives in Stratford, so we
just need to go door to door.

Matt (01:57:11):
Have you seen
this man?

Rachel (01:57:13):
Seen this man? Hold up a picture of LaCroix, like season
1 LaCroix with the darkeyebrows, the, like, punk rock
LaCroix?

Matt (01:57:19):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:57:20):
Hell, yeah. Alright. I think this is a good place to
end it. So until next time,friends.

Matt (01:57:25):
Bye. Bye.
All's well that ends well. Although, it never really does
end for some of us anyway. Untiltomorrow, I remain a friend to
all. And as always, when youhave a friend in the

(01:57:47):
Nightcrawler, who needs enemies?

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