Forever Knight (Season 3 Ep 21) - "Ashes to Ashes" - Come in 81 Kilo: A Forever Knight Podcast

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Divia (00:03):
Hello, Lucius. It's been a very long time.

LaCroix (00:11):
Shouldn't all good little girls be in bed by this
time?

Divia (00:15):
But I'm not that kind of girl. You know that.

Rachel (00:20):
Welcome back, friends.

Matt (00:21):
Welcome back.

Rachel (00:22):
It's time for another episode.

Matt (00:24):
Almost the last episode.

Rachel (00:26):
I know. So hi. I'm Rachel.

Matt (00:28):
And I'm Matt.

Rachel (00:29):
And this is Come In 81 kilo.

Matt (00:32):
A forever night podcast.

Rachel (01:25):
We just finished watching Forever Knight season 3
episode 21, Ashes to Ashes.

Matt (01:32):
And I feel so close to you right now.

Rachel (01:34):
Because you physically are. Because you rearranged the
pod lab, and now you're rightnext to me. You should this
okay. How do you feel afterwatching this episode? Besides
being like, oh, but that's thelast time Tracy's gonna see
Vashon, and then when he diedgoing fucking called it.
Just lame, honey. Lame.

Matt (01:54):
When they were leaving when Vashawn and Erz were
leaving the Raven, I knew. I waslike, vibes are off. Vashawn's
not gonna survive. Urs has achance, but I I wasn't
convinced.

Rachel (02:07):
You were like, oh, at least Urs isn't gonna die. And I
was like, oh, this is so hard.How hard it's been to keep this
a secret. I don't know. Thisepisode always gets me.
Like, I just I I feel duringthis episode. As much as I rag

(02:29):
on Vashon's hair, the whole,like, Tracy crying over him, and
I feel like that that's allreally sad. And I have some
problems with how it all goesdown. And, of course, we're
gonna talk about it becausethat's literally what we do, but
also just like, you know, itfeels like the beginning of the
end.

Matt (02:50):
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. When when we're killing off main cast.

Rachel (02:55):
Yeah. It feels like, oh, shit. They got this is yeah. I
mean, it's slightly a cleverlydisguised elevator episode
because the actual flashback isactually And then the rest of
the flashbacks is actuallyrecycled, more permanent hell

(03:17):
flashback, which is a boldchoice because

Matt (03:19):
Katherine Long is flashback.

Rachel (03:21):
Katherine Long, Divya is 13 when she films more permanent
hell, and she's like 16 when shefilms this. So she's actually
grown up. So it's like a boldmove to be like, oh, yeah. By
the way, she used to be littler.Oh, that that's okay.
That's fine. That's fine. Yeah.I just Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
In fact, that we're gonna getthere. We're gonna get there. So

(03:41):
we open we'll just we'll justget started because I feel like
we have a lot to riff on in thisepisode, and we might as well
just get to it. So we open on aguy in an Egyptian tomb, and
he's breaking into this tomb.We, like, see an opening and we
see his, like, light in his eyespop up into the opening because
these dudes are grave robbers,and they are, they've broken

(04:04):
into

Matt (04:05):
this tomb.

Rachel (04:07):
Is it the tomb of Akhenaten? Ahahotep. Ahahotep.
Okay.

Matt (04:11):
And I feel like this room is, like, an exhibit at an
interactive children's museum orsomething like that.

Rachel (04:19):
Yeah. And they just hijacked it.

Matt (04:21):
And they were like, hey. Can we film for, like, 5 minutes
in here?

Rachel (04:26):
We'll have our we'll have our 2 scenes in and out.
Yeah. That'll be fine. Yeah.

Matt (04:29):
We just gotta film real quick. Yeah. Because it seems
like a bit more work than theyusually put in because of all
the all the hieroglyphic stuffpainted on the walls, but maybe
they just went in, went hard onthe sets.

Rachel (04:47):
Yeah. Actually, this is a set that they built, and it
was modular. So they couldremove walls to set cameras
outside of it to make the setlook larger than it actually
was. So yep. And it's supposedto be the tomb of Ayahotep and
then, who was a priest ofAkhenaten.
And just like a minor quibblehere, Aken Aten, who is actually

(05:11):
the father of Tutankhamun, whostarted life as Tutank Aten, is
notorious as being the 1Egyptian pharaoh that was like,
actually, guys, I think there'sonly 1 god, and it is the sun
god Aten, which is why he wasAten Aten and why it was Tukan
Tukanq Aten because he tried tomake it monotheistic, and he

(05:35):
actually changes the art. Hechanges the way Egyptian art
looks, which is why I know allof this because I have, like, an
art degree. But he is the 1 thatmakes all the Egyptian artwork.
Look. If you've ever seenEgyptian art where they have,
like, a little like, a pooch,like a little belly, like a dad
bod Mhmm.
That's from Achan Aten's reign,and he was actually killed,

(05:58):
probably killed, because he wastrying to change the way the
religion worked. And when TutankAten changed his name to Tutank
Amun, he was changing his nameto Amun Ra, which was the sun
god of Egypt, the legit 1, theprevious 1. So it was like, hey,
guys. I'm cool. We're all cool.
Look. I changed my name. So, thepriest of Aqen Aten would not

(06:23):
have had the sun god Ra on thesarcophagus and probably would
not have had any kind of anactual burial because they were
sort of all disgraced.

Matt (06:36):
Well, he got buried this way as a punishment and way to
contain him.

Rachel (06:40):
No. No. She buried her master in

Matt (06:43):
this tomb. The symbol was already there?

Rachel (06:45):
Yeah. The symbol was already there, and she shoved
him in there because she waslike, it'd be cool. Because, you
know, symbol was already there,and she shoved him in there
because she was like, it'd becool. Because she says, you
know, he's flanked by 2 otherpriests or at least that's what
they think. But it was orwhatever, the her master.
Is But it was Cara or whatever,the her master is actually who's
in the tomb. Right.

Matt (07:00):
I thought he was the priest.

Rachel (07:02):
I mean, he could have been the priest.

Matt (07:04):
A hotend.

Rachel (07:05):
But the whole point is that, that's the wrong god. They
won't do it. It wouldn't havebeen it wouldn't have worked.
Anyway, our great Robert, thankyou for joining me in Rachel's
Egyptology lesson of the day.

Matt (07:15):
Thank you.

Rachel (07:16):
You're welcome. I really, really like Egyptology.
So he says he can see throughthe stone and that they need to
open the tomb in the center,look for the sun god. And he's
like, okay. Cool.
Like, I see it right here. Andthen the grave robber is like,
hang on. What about the legend?The legend of the tomb. What if,
like, Ray believes that, I'm notworthy and I end up getting

(07:39):
destroyed?
Like, what if I end up dying?And the guy's like, dude, it's
fine. Don't

Matt (07:44):
worry about it.

Rachel (07:44):
The only legend that concerns us deals with the
treasure. And he's like, oh, youmake compelling arguments. And
then he just whacks the seal 1time with a hammer and it breaks
seal. Lid splits. The whole lidsplits, and then it starts
sliding open all by itself, andthen it starts to glow with an
inner light.
And, like What

Matt (08:03):
is that?

Rachel (08:03):
At this point, I would be like, the curse is real. I
just fucking did, but he's like,oh, no. Oh, no. And he, like,
runs around to the front of it,and then we see the glow
reflected on this guy's face,and he actually looks up like we
track his eyes up as ifsomething is rising out of the
tomb, and then he startsscreaming, and then we go to the

(08:24):
intro. Yep.
And that's our opening. And, youknow really,

Matt (08:29):
really scared.

Rachel (08:30):
I feel like we couldn't have. The second to last episode
couldn't have started on abetter, more melodramatic. Like,
what if we raise something fromthe dead in Egypt and it comes
back to fuck with Lacroix? Hell,yeah. Let's do that.
I mean, what what else? Youknow?

Matt (08:47):
Yeah. Lacroix finally gets a taste of his own medicine.

Rachel (08:49):
Yeah. You can go out with a whimper or you can go out
with a bang, and they were like,fucking bang bang,
motherfuckers. We're about togo. So that's how we start. And
then we go to the the raven.
Well, actually,

Matt (09:00):
depending on the the opening for, like, every other
episode, we're pretty sure thisguy dies.

Rachel (09:08):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. He definitely did. Yeah.
With the screaming and the lightand the the I mean, he could
have been being transformed.Egyptian curse and and whatnot.

Matt (09:20):
Turned into a frog? Burbot.

Rachel (09:23):
Yeah. I don't think we're gonna introduce actual
magic right now. Like, rightnow, episode 21 That'll be in
the reboot. Yeah. In the reboot.
We'll have

Matt (09:31):
no. We'll have the witch arc. No. No. After the werewolf
arc.

Rachel (09:36):
No. Don't even I know you're kidding, and that's the
only reason that I'm not goingto get even more mad than I
already am right now.

Matt (09:45):
Right before the mummy arc.

Rachel (09:47):
We do not do not muddy the waters. Do you know how much
I fucking hate it when we throwokay. Okay. Okay. What Matt is
referencing is my generaldislike for when you get me a
good vampire show, and thenyou're like, look, guys.
Now there's werewolves andwitches and and and now you have
the vampire diaries, and nobodycares anymore. So, I mean, lots

(10:08):
of people cared about theVampire Diaries. I'm not
shitting on the Vampire Diaries.I personally didn't like it
because if everybody gets to bea supernatural beastie, where's
the fun? Where'd the fun go,y'all?
The fun has left the room. Itleft the building. I'm done.
There's no fun. Yeah.
And if you can get transformedback to a human whenever you
want.

Matt (10:26):
Yeah. Where's the where's the risk? Where's the danger?
Yeah. Where's the Existentially.

Rachel (10:32):
No. No. That's okay. Not now. Not now.
So we start at the Raven, andLacroix actually is alone. He is
not with Nicholas. He is notwith anyone else. No 1 is coming
in to ask him for information.He is not giving anyone
information.
He's not sitting at the bardrinking a glass of blood. He's

(10:54):
not he's literally just he wentfor a walk. And do you know how
much the show would haveimproved if we had spent any
time showing characters likeLacroix doing normal ass shit,
like going for a walk instead ofevery single time we see them,
they're in their context, andthey're, oh, Lacroix is evil.

(11:17):
He's doing evil shit. Well,like, you you look at how much
more depth his character feelslike it has after 1 single
episode.
1 single episode where weactually got to see him do
something other than twirlinghis mustache and podcasting, and
he's suddenly a way deeper, waybetter character. We're gonna do

(11:37):
this earlier in the reboot. Thatis something we will be doing in
the reboot.

Matt (11:41):
Yes. Establishing backstories.

Rachel (11:42):
Yes. Establishing backstories. I mean, we know his
backstory, but we don't know,like, who he is. We don't know
anything more about Lacroix thanhow he relates to Nicholas.
Right.
Yeah. So he actually goes up tothe door of the raven, and then
he turns around, like, what?Hold on. Did I is it did I hear
something? Like, he sensessomething.

(12:04):
And then we see Lacroix throughsomeone else's night vision.
It's like heavy breathing.

Matt (12:10):
Right.

Rachel (12:11):
Red overtones. Like, the the Divio weird bat sounds that
she makes all the time, which Ican only imagine is because
she's closer to the firstvampire. Maybe they were more
bat like, and that's why everytime she does anything, it's
like So much so that our catkept getting freaked out. Pippen
was like, what the shit?

Matt (12:30):
No. That's just Divya.

Rachel (12:32):
Oh, yeah. No. Maybe it's just Divya. Yeah. That's true.
And then we go to the precinct,and it's Tracy and Reese, and
they are debating about who isthe most deranged serial killer.

Matt (12:44):
Yeah. And Rachel has a lot more insight into this than I
do.

Rachel (12:46):
I just like, what what is it? I I think the purpose of
this is evil exists everywhereand in everyone. And I'm re
listening to Good Omens, and wejust got to a really poignant
part. There's actually quite afew poignant parts in good
moments, and there's a partwhere Crowley is talking about
how he doesn't really see heavenand hell as good and evil.

(13:11):
They're just opposite sides ofthe cosmic chess board and where
good and evil actually exists isin humanity.
Right. That angels are notinherently good and demons are
not inherently bad. They arejust opposite forces, and the
truly depraved things only comefrom human minds. And that's

(13:34):
kind of what Tracy and Reese aretalking about is, like, there
are evil people. They're kindof, like, throwing out names of
who's more deranged.
And finally, Reese is like, howabout this serial killer who
murdered kids in front of theirparents, and then the parents
committed suicide because theywere so traumatized. And Tracy's
like, what the fuck? And thenNick goes, why would she do

(13:56):
that? And Reese goes, oh, shejust said it was fun. And Tracy
goes, you're making this upbecause I would read about that.
And he's like, no. You don'tunderstand. Back in those days,
that kind of sickness was likein the tabloids. That wasn't
something that we weren't making

Matt (14:10):
serious journalists didn't cover it.

Rachel (14:12):
We weren't making Netflix movies about these guys
back then. You know, we bitchabout the press right now, but
at least this stuff is morevisible. Visible. And the first
defense against evil is to openyour damn eyes.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
1st defense against evil, open your damn eyes.

Rachel (14:30):
Wink. And then Blue Mancuma winks and gives a little
smile at Tracy. I think this isa really sweet little moment and
it feels impromptu. It feelslike something the actor just
did in a like, open your damneyes because he's read Nick's
file. He knows who her partneris.

Matt (14:54):
He knows that all she needs to do is open her eyes.
Yeah. And especially after thepast lives episode Yeah. She
should know this. There'ssomething right in front of her.

Rachel (15:04):
Yeah. There's something in front of you that you are
missing. And then Nick gets acall and all it is is a girl who
goes, there's a corpse at theRaven. Kick kick. Because Nick
is like, what?
Who is this? And then we justhear the dial tone, but you
don't hear anymore. But that wasthe sound that the phone made
when the person on the other endhung up, the dial tone. Also,

(15:30):
the busy signal. Well, sometimesyou still get a busy signal, but
not so much a dial tone.
It just told you that the phonewas active, but not in use. And
then we go back to Lacroix, andLacroix is doing his, like,
vlogging glide that he doessometimes when he's alone and
sometimes just when he feelslike it where he just glides.
And he's gliding through theraven, and he ends up finding

(15:52):
Urs and Vashon asleep on thecouch in the fuck pad.

Matt (15:58):
You mean their apartment?

Rachel (15:59):
It's not their apartment. It's the room it's
the room that has a

Matt (16:03):
has a place that he lives. Yeah. He just doesn't like to
stay there.

Rachel (16:06):
Right. And Urs stays downstairs. So this is not where
anybody normally sleeps. And Ursis like, oh, ho. This is not
what you think it is.
And LaQuad just goes, howdisappointing. Like, I don't
give a shit. He doesn't care.He's like, I didn't think
anything of it except that Idon't want you in here, and I
don't want you talking to me. Ihaven't had my morning coffee
yet.
Like, I'm just fucking not readyto talk to anybody. And Urs is

(16:29):
like, oh, it's cool. It's cool.Like, I asked Vashon to come
over because I was having scarydreams about headless children,
and then I woke up and, like, Isaw a for realsies headless
child.

Matt (16:42):
Foreshadowing.

Rachel (16:43):
And Lacroix is like, like, he gets really
uncomfortable. He, like, turnsaway really fast, and he's like,
I'm just getting my blood. Don'tthink about it. Don't think
about it. Especially when shestarts to mention that she's
been feeling an evil presence.
She's like, there's somethingevil here. I can feel it. And
Lacroix is like, yes. Yes. Well,this is all very interesting,
but I do have a club to open.

(17:04):
So, like, can you GTFO also,like, evil? Of course. This is a
vampire club. Please get thefuck out. So they leave, and
then we see that someone iswatching Vashon and Urs leave
because we get more heavybreathing heavy breathing and
night vision.
And then the same personactually watches LaCroix come

(17:25):
out with a couple of bottles.And this is when LaCroix is,
like, again, looking around,like, hang on. I think I sent
something, and then he pausesand looks around. Like, he goes
behind the counter and he putsthe bottles on the counter, and
then he pauses, like, hold up.That does not smell like the
beer fridge.

(17:45):
And so he opens the beer fridgeto find a headless body in the
fridge. And then he closes itand looks over, and there's a
box on the floor, and Matt goes,what's in the box? Rude. So
rude. Of course, this we know.
We all know what's in the box.He picks up the box, and he sets

(18:06):
it on the counter. And Mattgoes, I wonder how they're gonna
cover up the hole in the counterlater because they have the
actor stick his head through thebox. Yeah. They don't need to.
It's fine.

Matt (18:17):
It's the last time they're gonna need it.

Rachel (18:18):
Right? They got they got this set for 1 more episode.
It's perfectly fine. And so heopens the box, and, actually,
the first thing on the top isDivya's cameo as if, like, Divya
was buried with this cameo. And

Matt (18:32):
Cameo as in like a pendant.

Rachel (18:35):
Yeah. A necklace with her, image on it. And actually,
he has this cameo in a morepermanent hell. Because at the
very end, when he's like, damnyou, Divya, he holds up the
cameo. Like, he's podcastingholding the cameo in his hand.
Yeah. So are there 2? Did shebreak into his house and get it?

(18:57):
Did he have another 1 made?

Matt (18:59):
She broke into his house to stash the body.

Rachel (19:03):
Yeah. So did she go get the cameo and then, like found
it there?

Matt (19:07):
She was just poking around. Oh, great. This is
perfect. The perfect addition tothe box.

Rachel (19:13):
I mean, of the things that have no explanation in this
episode, this is literally thesmallest of the small things.
Plus, the setting is differenton the cameo that he pulls out
of the box. The 1 that she hasin the flashback and the 1 that
he has in a more permanent hellhas 2 points of connection. So,
like, the, broach piece couldnever twist, and then when the 1

(19:36):
that he pulls out is onlyattached at the top. So I don't
know.
It doesn't matter. It doesn'tmatter. But, again, like, didn't
anybody watch season 2? BecauseI watched season 2. So he picks
that up, and he's holding it.
And then he lifts the nextlayer, and it's the head of the
Egyptian guy from the tomb. And

Matt (19:56):
Who is a stranger to him?

Rachel (19:57):
He has

Matt (19:57):
no idea.

Rachel (19:57):
He has no idea who that guy is. And then we get a
flashback to Divya and Lacroixin the tomb, and she's like, can
you feel the presence, father?And he's like Father. Father.
And he's like, yes, Divya.
I feel evil. And then we comeback, and we actually see him,
like, from the point of view ofthe cameo. Like, the cameo is in

(20:18):
the foreground just as thepolice arrive. Like, Nick
arrives at the Raven with abunch of other police officers,
and he pockets the cameo just asNick tells him to keep his hands
where they can see them, andthen he goes, please. Like, he
can't order Nick.
He can't look order LaCroixaround. Father. He can't order

(20:40):
LaCroix around even to say faceand froth. He's just like, can
you keep your hands where youcan see them, please? Like,
please don't I think the pleaseis also, like, do not make this
a thing.
Like, I need you to hold ittogether because if you lose
your shit, I could lose my shit,and then I'm out. Like, I have
to leave. I can't stay in thisjob anymore. So please, please,

(21:02):
please pretend to be human forthe length of time that you have
to interact with me in front ofother humans. Do you think you
can handle that?
And so Lacoste just like, Ithink you'll find what you're
looking for here and also overthere because it's in 2 places.
I do like when he pulls it backand it's the head, and he's

(21:24):
like, ugh. And it's not like a,oh, I'm grossed out by this
head. It's like, oh, no. This isreally melodramatic.
I think I know who this is. It'sjust like, oh, god. No. Not
fucking Divya. And then we getLaquotte, the precinct, and I
have been waiting for this forso long.
It's like 1 of my favoritescenes. That's good.

Matt (21:44):
You brought this up so many times.

Rachel (21:46):
I love this. I love it. Like, I just love it. Just like
in the episode where we gotremember when they brought in
Jennette and Skanky had toquestion Jennette in the
precinct? Yeah.
Seeing a character out ofcontact context and interact
with characters that they don'tnormally interact with is just,

(22:11):
like, so good. And this is it'severything you want because it's
Lacroix at the precinct. It'sReese trying to question
Lacroix. It's Reese trying hisusual heavy handed tactics, but
on the dude that's, like, 2000years old and gives so few
shits, he'd probably rather justkill everyone in this building
so he could go home and take anap. And Reese is like, so you

(22:34):
have no idea how the body gotthere or who it could be?
And LaCroix is like, no. I don'tknow how it got there, and no. I
don't know who it was. And sothey ask, like, who has access
to the club after hours? AndLaCroix is like, no 1.
It is completely empty. And inthe background is Nick, like,

(22:55):
bullshit. Bull bullshit. Oh,god. Bullshit.
Like, he just his face is justlike, oh, god. That is a lie.
That is a lie.

Matt (23:02):
Oh, yeah. Look why? What about this key you gave me?

Rachel (23:07):
No. They're like, does does Nigma have a key on his key
ring? And they're like, what areyou talking about? And Reese is
like, what about the staff?Like, surely, you have staff.
And Tracy's like, yeah. Didn'tsomeone stock up the beer fridge
at closing time? And Lacroix waslike, yeah. We close at 6, but I
really feel like someone wouldhave mentioned if they found a
decapitated corpse in the beerfridge. Like, I don't I don't

(23:29):
know what to tell you.
No. It wasn't there at closing.And Reese goes, okay. Yeah.
Assuming you didn't put itthere.
And he's like, yeah. Assumingthat assuming that, of course.
And then Tracy's like, well, didyou spend the night at home? Did
you leave? Like, they're tryingto figure out when was the
opportunity for someone to getin there and put it in there.

Matt (23:48):
Right.

Rachel (23:49):
And LaCroix goes, well, I live at the club. Like, that
is my home. But I took a walkright around sundown, and they
must have snuck it in then.

Matt (23:58):
I meant to look up, like, in Toronto in the city, are you
allowed to have a shared, like,business residence?

Rachel (24:09):
Well, it would have been different in the nineties
anyway.

Matt (24:11):
Right.

Rachel (24:12):
Yeah. And so Reese goes, right. So someone just broke
into your club, put a body inthe fridge for the hell of it?
And this is my what? LaClaw?
LaClaws? I kinda thought thatdiscovering a motive was what
you guys did. You know, yourfucking job.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Someone breaks in, stuffs a corpse into a fridge,
and gift wraps its head for youjust for the hell of it.

Rachel (24:42):
It's my understanding that discovering a motive is
your job. I mean, he's notwrong. He's not wrong. He
doesn't have to answer thatquestion. That's not even a
question.
It was just a supposition.Right. I think, you know,
somebody broke in. So you'resaying somebody broke in and did
it for the hell of it, and he'slike, isn't that your job to
figure it out? I'm just tellingyou what I know for for a fact,

(25:06):
which is I didn't do it.
And so Nick goes, perhaps youshould get yourself a lawyer.
And this was when Reese is like,yeah. But if you did that, we'd
have to charge you withsomething, and the charge would
be murder 1. And LaCroix is,like, oh, honey, one's one's way
off. Lacroix is, like, uh-huh.
Okay. Sure. Yeah. So you couldcharge me with a crime if you

(25:29):
wanted to. I mean, the evidenceis pretty good.
And then Reese and Lacroix justhave this really long look, and
Reese backs down. He goes, Iwant him held as a material
witness, and then Tracy andReese leave.

Matt (25:45):
Mic drop.

Rachel (25:46):
Except he didn't. She was like, I'm gonna charge you
with murder, and Laquaza waslike, then do it. And then they
stared at each other for aminute, and he's like, okay.
Well, at least wanna hold him asa witness, and then they they
leave. And Lequois is like, wow.
I really like your littlefriends. They are not without
character. And Nick goes, andyour associates say the ones

(26:10):
that live in the basement? AndLacroix is like, oh, come on.
You know it wasn't them.
And then he goes They'reprofessionals. He goes, so
actually, Nick, by the way, howdid you know to come to the
Raven? Raven? Like, what whatprompted that little visit? And
Nick goes, an anonymous tip.

Matt (26:29):
And I figured I was expecting Nick to say, yeah. We
got an anonymous tip, and, like,they called me, and it sounded
like a little girl.

Rachel (26:37):
He didn't have time. Because pretty much as soon as
he says an anonymous tip, theycome in to take LaCroix to lock
up. And then we see LaCroixwalking by, like, in front.
Nobody is holding him. Nobody isleading him.
He is literally just walking infront of the group to lock to
lock up.

Matt (26:54):
He and his entourage Yes. Are strolling to lock up.

Rachel (26:59):
He walks by Reese. I love this so fucking much. This
whole scene brings so much joyto my heart because Reese goes,
he may not be guilty of this,but he sure as hell is guilty of
something.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
He may not be guilty of this, but he sure as hell is
guilty of something.

Rachel (27:19):
You are correct. Good instincts. Good instincts. It
kinda reminds me of in Dexterwhen he's like, wow. This entire
building full of people trainedto recognize killers, and only I
only give 1 guy the creeps.
Kinda like that. But Tracy'skind of sus. Like, she watches
LaCroix walk by, and she's notan idiot. She's like, oh, that
dude's a vampire. So she callsVashon, and she goes out to meet

(27:43):
him by her car.
And she's like, thanks forcoming in such short notice, and
Vashon just being an absolutedickhole. I don't know why. He's
like, you forget time isrelative. The fuck does that
mean, Vashon? Does that

Matt (27:53):
mean trying to be profound.

Rachel (27:55):
Does that mean that it's a longer minute for you, or is
it a shorter minute for you? Orwas it not actually short
notice, or was it really like,what is that supposed to mean?
Time is relative.

Matt (28:05):
He's just trying to sound aged and wise.

Rachel (28:10):
Okay. That's why he's sitting there flipping a coin.

Matt (28:13):
Yeah. And he's trying to look nonchalant too. Noir flick.
He's not good at it.

Rachel (28:19):
Okay. Fine. Well, Tracy tells him about the crime at the
Raven immediately. She's like,listen. Here's the tea.
So we were at the Raven, andthere was a dead body, and it
was headless, and it was in thebeer fridge, and then there was
a box in the box that it had init. And blah blah blah blah
blah. And, oh, by the way, we'realso holding Lacroix, and then
somebody comes out and Vashawnwhooshes off. And she's like,
oh, shit. I didn't actually getto talk to him.

(28:40):
And then he taps on the windowbehind her because he's in the
car. So she gets in the car withhim, and he's like, it's warmer
in here. Okay. That's fine. Andthen she's like, so, Vashawn, is
LaCroix 1 of you?
Like, is he 1 of you? And Vashonjust stares at her like bloop
bloop. Like the Korean drama,like, blink sound, the bloop

(29:03):
bloop, and then he goes, nope.And Tracy says, oh, well, I
could feel an evil presence whenI was there, and I'm pretty sure
it wasn't Lacroix, so what couldit have been? And Vashon makes a
crack about her feeling rattledjust because she saw a severed
head, and she's like, don't runme around, Vashon.
Like, don't infantilize me. Giveme some credit here. I know you

(29:26):
know evil. It's a part of you,and maybe it's why we would
never work. Wow.
That she's been stewing on thatbecause she's gotten really
serious. We went from her beingreal kind of perky and bubbly
and funny. And then in the lastcouple of episodes, she's gotten
increasingly dark, like, justnot not Tracy, not the Tracy

(29:53):
we've been getting to know overthe last 20 some episodes. It's
just a more morose, like, she'srealizing that she may have
romanticized the idea of Vashon,but in the end, he's just kind
of a doofus.

Matt (30:10):
Maybe it's the the past life memories of the violinist.

Rachel (30:14):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, she has been seeing a past life
therapist. So Yeah.

Matt (30:19):
We don't know

Rachel (30:20):
how We don't know.

Matt (30:21):
Many sessions she's had with that therapist.

Rachel (30:23):
Yeah. She's like, you know, I was killed by a vampire
in my former life. I'm justsaying. I mean, that would be a
reason for

Matt (30:28):
me to be mad. That changes things.

Rachel (30:30):
It's kinda like when I have a dream about you doing
something and it makes me mad atyou and the dream, and then I
wake up and I have a hard timenot being mad at you.

Matt (30:38):
Uh-huh.

Rachel (30:38):
Kinda like that. Like the 1 where we were trying to
escape a volcano and you keptnot taking the turn I was
telling you to take. So we weredriving straight at the volcano
instead of turning away from it.

Matt (30:51):
I must have had a plan.

Rachel (30:53):
Okay. Anyway, she's like, it's a part of you, and
maybe that's why we would neverwork. And Vashawn's just like,
bloop bloop. What? He's like,what?
What do you mean? What does thathave to do with anything right
now? And she's like, I can feelit. Like, I can feel it in you,
and it scares me. And Sean goes,he does not deny it, which I

(31:14):
find curious.
He just goes, okay. So what doesthis have to do with the current
crime? And Tracy's like, I don'tknow. It's just a feeling. And
Tracy tells him, you know what?
It's whatever. Like, you werereally super just so fucking
helpful, Veshan, so you can go.It's fine. And, can you call me
when you get home? Like, she'sworried about him, which is

(31:35):
really sweet.
He's like, sure. Okay. And thenthe watcher is back because we
see the red eyed night vision,heavy breathing vision of
Veshan, and then he flies offand lands somewhere in the
vicinity of his house. I don'tknow why he lands here in
particular, but, he can't helpbut hear a girl crying in the

(31:59):
alley, and I don't think that'swhy he landed there. So I don't
know.
Divya is inscrutable. Who knowshow she knew where he was gonna
be?

Matt (32:08):
This is the 5th checkpoint along Bashan's return path that
she's she tried to lure him.

Rachel (32:17):
He's just been trying to to for, like, weeks, but he just
doesn't give it. He just

Matt (32:20):
gives crying because she's so frustrated, but she can't
give up.

Rachel (32:24):
She's like, I have to do this to stick it to my dad, but
Vashawn's such a doofus. He's sounreliable. She's tried calling
for help, and he's just like,well, somebody else is gonna
take care of

Matt (32:39):
that. ADHD vampire.

Rachel (32:45):
He's definitely gonna go help, but then something happens
along the way, and he getstotally distracted, and he
forgets he was going.

Matt (32:53):
And your Divya misses another chance.

Rachel (32:55):
She's like, goddamn it. Well, this 1 works because guess
what? The girl crying in thealia is alia. The girl crying in
the alley is divia. And as soonas he walks up, she, like,
throws off her tarp or whatevershe's got over, and she's like,
'tis I.
And he's like, a boss. Who yoube you? I just go he doesn't

(33:19):
know who she is. Literally,this, like, child vampire is
just like, meh.

Matt (33:23):
Right. Like, Lacroix isn't even his sire. No. So it's just
because,

Rachel (33:30):
like, he emptied out

Matt (33:31):
of the raven

Rachel (33:32):
Yeah.

Matt (33:32):
He got targeted.

Rachel (33:33):
Yeah. He happened to be there the morning that she
arrived, and he she was like,oh, they're best friends. Oh,
yeah. They're fuck they'redefinitely best friends. Maybe
they're even together together.
I don't like this at all. Sothen Divya and now this is
really I'm gonna spend some timediscussing this. Divya's method
of killing these vampires.

Matt (33:51):
I was I was going to bring up just Divya in general. Divya
has been in a sarcophagus forroughly 2000 years because it's
20 years after she turnedLaCroix into a vampire.

Rachel (34:06):
Yeah.

Matt (34:06):
They've been fucking around the Middle East Yeah.
Northern

Rachel (34:09):
99, 80.

Matt (34:10):
Africa. Whatever.

Rachel (34:11):
Yeah. 1900 years, she's been in there.

Matt (34:15):
So how does she know English?

Rachel (34:19):
Maybe she can hear things that are going on around
her?

Matt (34:21):
I'm wondering if

Rachel (34:23):
Maybe she ate a bunch of English speaking people.

Matt (34:26):
Oh. 0, that would solve the problem. Yeah. If she just
kept drinking everybody's bloodalong the way and incorporating
their memories to, like, absorball of the cultural context and
languages and stuff, that wouldexplain how she's able to
acclimate herself so quickly tomodern society

Rachel (34:48):
Yeah.

Matt (34:49):
If she has just been on a rampage through, like, probably
northern Africa through Europe.Then, I guess, England and then

Rachel (35:04):
No. 24 hours.

Matt (35:05):
Greenland, Iceland. It's 24 hours. But she's, like, fly
hopping.

Rachel (35:09):
Oh, okay.

Matt (35:09):
Just eating, like, oh, there's a city. I don't know
what direction I need to go toget closer to Lacroix.

Rachel (35:16):
Yeah. How does she find him so well, they can sense each
other. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
That's fair.

Matt (35:21):
I answered that question. Double bond.

Rachel (35:22):
They do. Gross.

Matt (35:26):
Well, she wanted it to be a triple bond.

Rachel (35:28):
I know. Daughter, mother, lover. Why can't I be
all 3, which I think I'veactually said on the podcast if
you didn't catch it.

Matt (35:38):
Oh, no. I'd I've I've heard you say that several
times,

Rachel (35:41):
and I

Matt (35:41):
knew what you meant by it.

Rachel (35:42):
Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I You

Matt (35:44):
revealed that.

Rachel (35:44):
I try so hard, and sometimes I just don't make
that.

Matt (35:48):
Me years ago

Rachel (35:49):
Okay.

Matt (35:49):
When you after you had given up on the idea of me ever
watching all of her.

Rachel (35:53):
Oh, okay. That's fair. So yes. So there's a really
good, really entertaining bookseries called the Greyfriar
series, and it is by Clay andSusan Griffiths. And in that,
it's like a steampunk alternatehistory, where there are

(36:14):
vampires and humans, butvampires are entirely separate
species.
And they're actually really,really good at learning
languages because it's part ofhow they hunt. So 1 of their
adaptations is they're justsuper good at picking up
different human languages. Mhmm.And maybe it's kind of like

(36:36):
that. Maybe they're really,really good at adapting to
language because it would beessential for them in order to
be able to, like, move throughthe centuries seamlessly.

Matt (36:46):
Right.

Rachel (36:48):
Because I know in Anne Rice's vampires, every once in a
while, they'll go to ground fora while to just, like, take a
minute.

Matt (36:55):
Right. They need to do a psychic reset so

Rachel (36:56):
they can

Matt (36:57):
absorb new knowledge.

Rachel (36:58):
They need a fresh fall of snow. So they'll go, like,
hang out, and then when theycome back, they gotta catch up.
And so they can catch up reallyquickly because it's kind of
part of how they work. But whatI really wanted to address here
is how Divya kills people,because Divya kills people with
either sheer evilness or psychicassault. So vampires, as we have

(37:27):
more or less established withoutactually trying to establish
anything, but just sort of bynever ever clarifying how
certain things work are slightlypsychic.
Not psychic and like, althoughevery once in a while, Lacroix
implies that he can readNicholas's mind. So that would
make him a real, real psychic.

Matt (37:46):
I'm pretty sure he's just fucking with Nick, because he
just knows Nick so well, and hecan predict Nick so accurately.

Rachel (37:55):
I would argue they are empathic, that they can sense
each other's emotional shifts.

Matt (38:01):
Yeah.

Rachel (38:02):
Which is why they wouldn't know when people are
afraid or whatever. So they areslightly psychic. And when they
share blood, they share sort ofnot just the blood, but what I
would argue is almost a psychiclink because that would be how
they would be able to learneverybody's emotions and all
that stuff just from the blood.So there's a little bit of

(38:25):
mystical psychicness happeninghere. So in that situation,
would a nonconsensual sharing ofmemories be considered sexual
assault?

Matt (38:37):
Like, if she forced her blood into

Rachel (38:41):
Vashana? Like, scratching them and then biting
them, and then they are seeingher memories. So she is in some
way sharing her memories withthem.

Matt (38:50):
Right.

Rachel (38:51):
And the sheer overwhelming evilness of who she
is destroys them. Like, shedestroys their minds, basically
Mhmm. With a nonconsensual,psychic connection. And if
psychic connection iseffectively how they have sex,
then a nonconsensual psychicevent like this would be

(39:12):
considered like assault.

Matt (39:15):
Oh, it would definitely be assault.

Rachel (39:18):
Like a sexual form of assault?

Matt (39:21):
Maybe.

Rachel (39:23):
I think that argument could be made. I think it makes
her a lot more evil when you gothat far. Mhmm. I mean, clearly,
she was not above fucking herown dad. So why not the man
mullet?
I mean, come on. So, like, Ithink it just, you know, I don't
think that's what they weregoing for. Of course, it's not.
They're just like, oh, she's soevil. She's capable of biting.

Matt (39:48):
Them, and they become infected by her e there.

Rachel (39:51):
And then they die, which I love how Urs is just like, oh,
fuck it. I did. And Vashonlingers. Vashawn lingers for a
while, and Urs is just like, I'mout. I'm out.
I don't want this. I'm done. Ialready didn't wanna be here, so
I'm just gonna leave. So whathappens, however you wanna
describe it, Vashawn getsassaulted by Divya and is
capable Divya's whatever.However Divya is capable of

(40:15):
doing

Matt (40:15):
this. Infected by her evil.

Rachel (40:17):
Infected by her memories and her

Matt (40:20):
Would that be a sexually transmitted disease?

Rachel (40:22):
I guess. Well, it wouldn't be considered sexually
transmitted disease if it wasconsensual, but it's
nonconsensual. You didn't askfor this.

Matt (40:31):
Well, even if it was consensual and he got infected
by her evil.

Rachel (40:35):
And she bites them all. Like, she and 1 of the things we
avoid talking about, but it'ssort of like the elephant in the
room is the inherent, like,sexual assault nature of the
vampire's nonconsensual feeding.Mhmm. And so this is the, like,
1, 2 punch of, like, a psychicinvasion and a physical

(40:55):
invasion.

Matt (40:58):
Right. And she marks them all by scratching their faces
too.

Rachel (41:02):
Yeah. In a very, like, public, like, can't help but see
it weigh. Yeah. All of them.Anyway, it's something to think
about.
It makes Divya way grosser. Imean, Divya can kinda be a joke.
She wants to fuck Lacroix,whatever. But, I mean, when you

(41:22):
think about it that way, she'sshe's real not great. Like, real
real not great.
And then we go to the morgueafter Vashon collapses in the
alley. Divya leaves and leavesVashon. Like, I assume she
thinks she's left him for dead.And then we go to the morgue,
and it's actually Reese onspeakerphone, and he tells Tracy

(41:46):
and Nick and Natalie that theguy in the fridge was actually
an Egyptian grave robber andthat he was last seen at the
tomb of Ayahotep in the Valleyof the Kings 24 hours ago, which
means Divya can cross theAtlantic in less than a day
while carrying a body. So shereal, real fast.
Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (42:06):
Now the question is

Rachel (42:08):
Okay.

Matt (42:08):
Did she track down the quad and then like, solo and
then think, but I gotta fuckwith him. And then go back and
get the body body and then takeit to Lacroix, or did she have
that planned the whole time?

Rachel (42:26):
You know, August, he was there 24 hours ago. It's
because, say, she could've kepthim alive and then killed him
and then put him in the beerfridge, and then she wouldn't
have been lugging a dead bodyaround.

Matt (42:35):
Yeah.

Rachel (42:36):
But he went missing 24 hours ago. So at most, she's had
possession of his physical form,alive or dead, for 24 hours. And
she either went 12 hours thereor let's see. 24 divided by 3.
So 8 there, 8 back, and then 8back.
But some of that would have beenduring the day. Underwater?

(42:57):
Underwater. Yeah. I mean, theyare capable of propelling
themselves at speed through aphysical medium.
There's really no differencebetween the the air and the
water as far as that's concernedexcept density, which means she
might be slower under the waterbut would be no less capable of,
like, mentally propellingherself.

Matt (43:15):
Right. Does the body have any wind burn?

Rachel (43:20):
From going that fast. They're like, wow. It's really
weird. He's covered in, like,bird shit and feathers. Like, he
flew through a flock.

Matt (43:31):
What is his eyeballs?

Rachel (43:34):
It looks like a birdcouch, ditto. What the fuck?
But what I love about this scenemore than like, I love what
they're chatting about. Like,it's this is good. But, also, if
you'll notice, the music in thiswhole episode is extremely
somber.
Like, it's very. Yeah. Like,it's sad. Reese is like, well,

(43:56):
what do we know about the bodynow? And Natalie goes, well, we
know he's been dead for 24hours, which I could've told you
before, but also, like,confirmation, so great.
And, not to get too technical,but he was torn to motherfucking
shreds. And she goes, you know,if you hadn't told me he was in
a tomb 24 hours ago, I wouldhave said it was an animal. And
then Reese goes, well, an animaldidn't sneak him into Canada, so

(44:18):
we gotta figure this out. Thenthey hang up on Reese, and
Natalie is like, everyone justlooks at each other for a
minute, and Natalie finallygoes, there has to be a rational
explanation for this. Like,there does not actually have to
be a rational explanation forthis.

Matt (44:33):
Room with a vampire.

Rachel (44:34):
Yeah. So just Rational has left the building. Rational
is no longer answering ourcalls.

Matt (44:41):
Your pretenses.

Rachel (44:41):
Yeah. Rational has ghosted us. Literally, no 1 can
get ahold of Rational, so that'sdone. And Tracy's like, I guess
that means LaCroix is off thehook. What?
It doesn't.

Matt (44:56):
Brilliant. Police deduction.

Rachel (44:57):
Doesn't actually mean that. It just means that the guy
was in Egypt 24 hours ago, andnow he is here. He could have
traveled here, and then Lacroixcould have killed him and
stuffed him in the beer fridge.

Matt (45:10):
Right. Right. Because I'm presuming Lacroix has an alibi
leading up to the audience.

Rachel (45:16):
At the club, and then he went walking by himself. So I
don't know. Then we go toLaCroix in lockup, and again,
they says fucking thank you. Ilove this shit so much. Because
Lacroix is in lockup, and westart by looking at all the
other people in lockup, and theyare all hunched over in the
corner.
And then as we band around,there's this big empty space,

(45:38):
and then Lacroix is juststanding there. And so everyone
is actively avoiding being beingnear him, and then Nick walks
in, and Lacroix goes, clearly, Ihave a future in, like

Matt (45:50):
A sobering influence on the the delinquent or the

Rachel (45:54):
Yeah. On the delinquent population or whatever. Like,
basically, I I could scarepeople into

Matt (46:00):
Scare them straight.

Rachel (46:01):
Yeah. Scare them straight, like, in crime. Like
Yeah.

Matt (46:03):
Yeah.

Rachel (46:04):
Like, crime wise. So Nick is like, well, you're to be
released for lack of evidence,and LaCroix is like, mhmm. Okay.
Like, oh, we all knew that wasgonna happen. And then Nick
actually tells him all about it.
He's like, listen. Here's thesitch. He was an Egyptian guy.
He was in Egypt 24 hours ago. Hebroke into this tomb, and then
he disappeared.
And Lacroix is like, oh,weirdest thing. And then he goes

(46:27):
into the flashback, like like,oh, shit, Egypt. And he actually
goes into the flashback when hehears that it's the tomb of
Iahotep and then Dhivya andLaqoire in this tomb in the
flashback. And she's telling himabout this is the chief priest
of Akhenaten, which aspreviously described, creates a

(46:49):
problematic thing here. Ifigured they just thought
Akhenaten was easy to say, sothey went with that, so
whatever.
And she says that her master,Ka'a, was said to be 1 of the
first vampires and was actuallyolder than the pyramids and that
she killed him. She's like,yeah. No. He died. He got staked

(47:10):
and left out in the sun, andthen somebody, like, put him in
this tomb.
And Lacroix is like, oh my God,we have to track that person
down and kill them. And she'slike, tis I. I did it because he
wanted to control me and nobodyputs Divya in a corner. And
Lacoste is like, oh, okay. Ifeel like this is a moment of
revelation for

Matt (47:30):
him. Of general Lucius. I feel

Rachel (47:32):
like this is a moment of revelation for him because he's
like, oh, he she killed her hervampire dad. I am also married.

Matt (47:41):
Called her true father.

Rachel (47:44):
Yeah. And I'm her, like, second in line father, so she is
just as willing to kill me. Oh,no. Like, this is not good.

Matt (47:55):
I'm in danger.

Rachel (47:59):
Kind of. Yes. That's,

Matt (48:04):
I think Ralphie from the Simpsons.

Rachel (48:06):
Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. No. I got the reference.
I did. Yeah. I was just thinkingabout, like, this isn't the
moment where she tries to comeon to him, but, also, I was
thinking she's a predator inmore than wait. Then 1. It's
just I I don't know why thesechoices were made about Divya.
I'm not mad about it. It's fine.I just think it's like they
couldn't like, they were like,okay. We need something that

(48:28):
will be too far for LaCroix. Weneed a line, y'all.
We need to know what LaCroix'sline is. Where is his line?
Like, they're in the writer'sroom. Everybody's sitting there.
Someone's crying.
Someone's eating eating donuts.There's, like, 6 cups of coffee
in the middle. No 1 can rememberwhose is whose. There's a pen in
1 of them, and they're like, theline, y'all. We gotta find the

(48:49):
line.
And somebody just goes, maybe hewouldn't fuck his own daughter.
And they're like, yes. Yes. Getthat yes. Get that man a trophy.
Get that man another donut. Getthat man a tissue. He wouldn't
fuck his own daughter. That'sit. We've got it.
And then they were like, well,who do we bring back? And
they're like, we already had hehas a daughter, sir. He remember

(49:09):
Divya? And they're like, fuckingDivya. And so then they had to
track down Katherine.
They had to, like, send apigeon. She just appeared in a
puff of smoke, and she was like,I'm prepared to be Divya again.
I'm pretty sure that's some sex.

Matt (49:23):
Prepare my white robe.

Rachel (49:28):
Do live, Divya. Okay. So anyway, that that all went
through my mind. So just okay.

Matt (49:34):
And then we get Nick, like, hey, Lacroix.

Rachel (49:37):
Woah. Woah.

Matt (49:38):
Lacroix over here. Hey. You you kinda had a flashback
there.

Rachel (49:41):
Yeah. No. I saw what you were doing. I do it all the
time, but also, like,

Matt (49:46):
Eyes over here.

Rachel (49:46):
Eyes over here.

Matt (49:47):
Attention.

Rachel (49:48):
Yeah. I think Nick looks so jazzed to see Lacroix lock
up. Like, this is the funniestthing he's ever seen in his
life. And he's like and Lequoisjust goes, can I go? And Nick's
like, oh, yeah.
Sure. Sure. You know, come overhere with the keys, dude. Unlock
the store. And then we get Erzgoing to see Vashon.
I have to imagine Vashon's notdoing his usual check-in or

(50:10):
maybe she tried calling him onhis cordless phone that he has
because he uses it later, and hedidn't pick up. So Urs comes to
check on him, and when she seeshim at the church, he's,
freaking the fuck out. He's,like, throwing himself around.
He kind of attacks her, and hestarts screaming, the killing. I

(50:30):
can't stop the killing.
Well, that's notable because,actually, his entire purpose in
life was to stop senselesskilling in the world. Remember
that?

Matt (50:39):
According to his back story as related by Vashon.

Rachel (50:43):
Yeah. And the Inca who spoke Spanish and also English,
but also Spanish. But thegrossest, I mean, the grossest
part about this scene is he'slike, I can see you the killing,
all the killing, children,children killing children. And
then he goes, I can't stand thepleasure. Don't.

(51:08):
Just dude, yell something else.I can't stop the killing. That
was fine. You could've left itthere, but not the I'm so hard
right now.

Matt (51:19):
I'm wondering if if, Star Wars episode 2 was it episode 2
or episode 3 where Anakin killsthe younglings? I guess, either
there are 3.

Rachel (51:31):
Yeah.

Matt (51:31):
I wonder if they got the

Rachel (51:33):
The chosen

Matt (51:34):
1. The men, the women, and the children too from Veshon
here because Yeah. That's whathe says. The men, the women, and
the children too.

Rachel (51:43):
Yeah. I mean, it's not a real complicated line. It's
fine. Yeah. Maybe the guy whowas crying in the writers room
went on to be in the Star Warswriters room.

Matt (51:52):
Hayden kept watching forever night after he starred
in

Rachel (51:56):
Oh, it's Hayden. Yeah.

Matt (51:57):
He's like, Vashon had a really good line about, like,
struggling with the emotions ofkilling a bunch of people.

Rachel (52:05):
Yeah. Except he didn't end with, I can't stand the
pleasure.

Matt (52:10):
Hey. God. That was gross. George Lucas was like, no, dude.

Rachel (52:15):
I mean, I get it. It's supposed to be the, like,
there's a part of them that,like, that is their joy in life.
That is their longevity.

Matt (52:23):
Pleasure of killing Yeah. Men, women, and children.

Rachel (52:27):
Right. Yeah. It's layers of gross is what it is.

Matt (52:31):
And the reason it's so hard to handle is because he
doesn't usually feel that amountof pleasure from killing.

Rachel (52:39):
Or he doesn't normally he doesn't normally deal with
his emotions. He just, like,feels them and moves on or runs
or whatever. And it's something

Matt (52:47):
from them.

Rachel (52:48):
I mean, it's something we're gonna kinda confront later
when, we find out that thismethod of killing don't work on
Nick.

Matt (52:57):
So Because he's done some shadow work.

Rachel (52:59):
We will table it until then. We're just gonna table it.
Okay? It's right there on thetable, and we are actually going
to revisit this dish. I promise.
Okay. Yeah. But Urs is like, whodid this to you, Vashon? Like,
what's going on? Who did this?
And he's like, she's so smallbut evil, but she's just a
child. And he keeps seeingDivya's memories. We keep seeing

(53:19):
flashes of Divya's memories, andhe ends up kicking Urs out. And
he threatens her with the samething Divya did to her master.
He's like, get out before youare staked and left to turn to
ashes in the sun, and Urs islike, oh, yeah.
This is I'm not here. No. No.This is not my moment. So Urs
just leaves.
She's like, this is I'm going.Fuck you, Vashawn. Oh, she goes

(53:43):
to get help. She keeps off toget help. Yeah.
And Vashawn actually calls Tracybecause that's exactly what he
needs to do at this moment. Hecalls Tracy, and he's like, I
know who did it. I know who didit. He, like, falls around the
floor and starts screaming andthen leaves the phone off the
hook.

Matt (53:59):
Tracy thinks, oh, a vampire called me, sounding like
he was struggling. And then hescreamed in torment and agony. I
need to go visit him.

Rachel (54:11):
Yeah. Well, she trusts Vashon. For reasons unknown to
most of us, she trusts VashonVashon. She rushes off to help
him. And then we go to Nickbecause Nick's at his house and
he's listening to thenightcrawler.
And this is when we get theflashback from a more permanent
hell, and, like, we get thewhole thing, like, the whole

(54:32):
thing.

Matt (54:33):
We don't we don't get the part with Lacroix telling the
other people about the statuecarver, the bust carver.

Rachel (54:42):
We don't get that part. We don't get the part where he's
like, is it true? Over and whenshe wakes him up, he's sleeping
and she, like, creeps into hisroom, and she's like, father, is
it true you let your men rapethe women? And he's like he's
like, yeah. What are you doingin here?
Of course, I did. It was todemoralize the people and to

(55:03):
reward my men, and she's like soshe was like, oh my goodness.
Thank you, father. Yes. So thisis actually the part where he's
talking to Celine, his wife, andhe's like, oh, so what's up with
Divya?
I heard she was sick. And she'slike, yeah. She was sick, but
then this dude showed up, and hewas like, I think I know what to

(55:24):
do. And I was like, cool, andnow she's fine. And then the
other senator comes over, andhe's like, yeah.
If she's fine, I'm a gladiator.

Matt (55:32):
And he's not a gladiator.

Rachel (55:34):
Yeah. And we go all the way through to where he sees
Divya come out, and he's like,Divya, and he holds his arms out
to hug her, and she's like,nope, and she leaves. And then
we come back to him stillpodcasting, and he's like, a
child's innocence and purityknows no bounds, but neither

(55:55):
does its cruelty. When he'sabout to sign off when Divya
actually, Nick is about to turnthe radio off when Divya calls
into the show, and she's like,hello. Hello, father.
Hello. And LaCroix goes,shouldn't all good little girls
be in bed? And she goes, I'm notthat kind of girl. I'm trying to

(56:27):
prep for the Divya voice. Thisis a long 1.
Hang on. Do you know what it'slike to be betrayed? Do you know
what it's like to be betrayed byyour own child? Not yet, but I'm
gonna get you a father. Really,she's like, I'm gonna kill your

(56:51):
friends.
I'm gonna kill your family. I'mgonna kill everyone who knows
you, and I'm gonna leave youalone. That little dog too. And
in the dark and cold, just likeyou let me father. And the
claw's like, oh, no.
And this is when Nick gets avisitor. Nick gets a visitor,
and it's ers. And we knowbecause he hears that rah rah.

(57:11):
Like, somebody's buzzing his hisdoorbell until he

Matt (57:14):
gets over. Night vision of Erz in the elevator.

Rachel (57:16):
Well, first, he goes over to his giant monitor, and
he, like, click click, like,clicks the monitor button. And
it's like, oh, hey, Nick. It'sme, Erce. Can I come up? And
he's like, oh, yeah.
Sure. And so he just turns itoff. She's like, I need to talk
to you. So he buzzes her up soshe can come up the quote
elevator, which we haven't usedthe elevator very much in this
season at all. And she actually

Matt (57:37):
If I recall correctly, this is the first scene that
we've had in the, quote, movingelevator.

Rachel (57:46):
Yeah. From above.

Matt (57:47):
From above.

Rachel (57:48):
In a while, at least.

Matt (57:49):
I don't think I don't recall any other scenes where
people are in the elevator, andwe're seeing them in the
elevator while the elevator ismoving.

Rachel (58:01):
That's fair. If you guys remember 1, let me know.

Matt (58:05):
The first time we get this scene, this, like, part of his
living structure

Rachel (58:12):
Yeah.

Matt (58:12):
Is the second to last episode.

Rachel (58:14):
Correct.

Matt (58:15):
In the reboot, it will be a real elevator.

Rachel (58:17):
Yeah. It will be a real elevator. We'll have a real
elevator. Yeah. But she and willbe able to ride the motorcycle.
But she gets attacked and killedin the elevator, which is a real
shame because she's wearing thisbanging red leather outfit
thing. And her hair looks reallygood too. It's really sad. And
then we got to Tracy becauseTracy's at Vachon's, and he's

(58:38):
all vamped out when she comesin. But then when he turns to
look at her, he's, like,composed himself until he
tackles her.
And he's like, 00I got a lotgoing on in my head right now,
and then he kinda backs off andshe leans in and hugs him. Like,
this dude just attacked you, andthen he kinda gave you some
breathing space so you couldrun, and then you lean in and

(59:00):
hug him. And she's like, it'sokay, Vashon. You're gonna heal.
And he goes, I'm not healing.
I'm dying. And he's like, whyare you here? When she first
arrives, he's like, why are youhere? And she's like, you
fucking called me. And he'slike, oh, yeah.
You need to leave. And he's kindof trying to it's the get away
from me. I'm not safe, whichusually as someone who likes

(59:22):
vampire stuff I mean, that'ssomething I'm normally here for.
The, you have to go, I'm notsafe. Like, oh, yeah.
Just to say it again. You're notsafe? You know, that's you know,
if you like vampires, you knowwhat I'm talking about. But it's
Vashon, so, like, I want thisfrom Nick, and I didn't get it

(59:44):
from Nick. So goddamn it.
That's fine. And he's like, I'mnot healing. I'm dying. Oh, no.
So then we cut to Nick at themorgue because he opened his
elevator.
He saw Urs was there, and he waslike, well, that's gonna stay in
the carpet.

Matt (01:00:04):
Oh, I saw, on a related note

Rachel (01:00:06):
Okay.

Matt (01:00:08):
I saw a thing about, like, in addition to the the saying of
spill the tea, it was someoneexplaining that they were
telling their mom what spill thetea meant, and her mom
responded. She said with thebest, like, extension of the

(01:00:30):
spill the tea idea, which is,well, be careful because tea
stains when you spill it.

Rachel (01:00:36):
Oh, that's a good 1. Well, Nick has never heard that
because he was looking at Urs'sbody and he did not try to help
her bring her back. He was justlike, oh, that's not great. And
they took her body to the morguebecause Natalie has Urs's body.
Did he call it in?

(01:00:57):
Is this an o fish? Is it is sheofficially here? Or did he just
bring the body in and he waslike, nah. I got 1 for you.

Matt (01:01:05):
Does Natalie need to fake an entire autopsy to look human?
Did he just make, like, a ton ofextra paperwork for her?

Rachel (01:01:14):
Yeah. Or did he just bring the body there?

Matt (01:01:16):
Does Urs even exist on paper?

Rachel (01:01:18):
Right.

Matt (01:01:19):
As a resident of Toronto?

Rachel (01:01:21):
Yeah. Or is this another instance of him just walking in
with the body and being like,oh, can you tell me what killed
her?

Matt (01:01:28):
And, like, people would have seen him carrying a body
into

Rachel (01:01:30):
the morgue. Had to carry that body into the morgue, and
then Natalie had to perform awhole ass autopsy when she has
probably lots of other bodiesshe needs to process that day.
And what did anybody come inwhile she was doing it? Well, I
don't we nothing. We covered shehe didn't call Natalie to his

(01:01:51):
apartment.
He took Urs's body to Natalie.And since we don't reference
this later at all, in fact, wedon't cover how they just how
they say this is solved. Like,we don't talk about how they
wrap this case up.

Matt (01:02:06):
We we don't talk about how the case how they spin the case.

Rachel (01:02:10):
So we don't know if the fact that Erz's body was found
at Nick's apartment is part ofthis case or not. Did he take
her body somewhere else and thenwas like, oh, y'all. I found a
body in an alleyway way far awayfrom my house. We don't know
anything about it. But Natalie'slike, I mean, we still don't

(01:02:32):
know what killed her.
Like, we still don't know whatthis is. We I can tell you it's
the same it's the same MO, but Icouldn't tell you what did it. I
mean, it could be the thing thatkilled the Egyptian grave
robber. So, yeah, maybe they'rerelated. And Nick is like, what
I don't get is why didn't Ursregenerate?
How can she be killed if shewasn't staked or decapitated?

(01:02:53):
Nick, we are all asking the samequestion. This could have been
solved by just giving Divya astake, but you know what? Then
you don't get to get Nick out ofit. Right.
Yeah. So Natalie is like, couldit be some new breed of vampire
that's capable of doing this?And Nick goes, or something

(01:03:14):
very, very old. And this is thepart where I wanna point out
because it's gonna be relevantlater if Lacroix is. So Divya
was changed by 1 of the firstvampires.

Matt (01:03:27):
Yep.

Rachel (01:03:28):
So if we have, like, patient 0, she is the direct
like, the first infected ofpatient 0. So then Lacroix is,
like, second, and then Nick is3rd. So Nick is only

Matt (01:03:40):
I would increment that out by 1 and say Ka'a was probably
the first generation of infectedfrom patient 0.

Rachel (01:03:47):
Okay.

Matt (01:03:48):
And then Divya would be, like, wave 2, level 2.

Rachel (01:03:52):
Yeah. 3 and then 4. Yeah. So Nick is only, like, 4
steps removed from the originalvampire.

Matt (01:04:01):
Right.

Rachel (01:04:03):
We don't know how far out Vashon was. We don't know.
And then Urs would have been 1step farther. So if the relative
ability of vampires decreases,the farther you are away from
the initial and, like, theoriginal vampire

Matt (01:04:20):
diluted or whatever.

Rachel (01:04:20):
Then then it kinda makes sense that Nick was able to come
back because he's literally morepowerful than the other ones.

Matt (01:04:29):
Right.

Rachel (01:04:30):
Yeah. Something to think about. That pops up sometimes. I
mean, that's not a unheard ofvampire lore. The not only the
older you are, but not and it'snot just the older you are in
terms of chronology, but thatputs you closer to, like, the OG
vampire.
Yeah. Yeah. And then Nick goesto confront Lacroix because this

(01:04:51):
feels like the moment. And he'slike, who is she? And LaCroix's
like, who what?
Who's she? What? What? He'slike, the young girl, who is she
to you? What is it?
And Lacroix goes, it. Wow. Yeah.It is something that I've never
told you about, something that'stoo painful for even me to talk

(01:05:12):
about, and Nick's like, oh,shit. You brought her across.
Like LaCroix would be ashamed ofbringing across a child. Like,
he hasn't done that. What aboutDaniel? Or was it David? The
deep guy.
I don't know. The cockney kid.What about that dude? Yeah.
Like, whatever

Matt (01:05:30):
happened to him anyway?

Rachel (01:05:31):
Yeah. No. It's fine. It doesn't matter. He's he's out
there killing people with hispsychic assault because that's a
children thing, maybe.
I don't know. He's like, it'ssomething too painful for me,
even me, to talk about. Nickimmediately is like, oh, shit.
You brought her across, didn'tyou? Because I heard her on your
radio program, and Lacroix goes,you're still listening?

Matt (01:05:50):
I'm flattered.

Rachel (01:05:51):
I'm flattered. And Nick is like, Lacroix, fucking focus.
Urs is dead. And Lacroix's like,oof. Yeah.
I kinda saw that coming. You seewhat she's doing? She's making
me as alone and isolated as Ileft her, and she will kill all
of you because of me. And Nick'slike, yeah. Because you brought
her across.
And he's like, no. I didn't. Ididn't bring Divya across. Quite

(01:06:15):
the opposite. And then we getthe flashback, which is the, let
go of your mortal bones, father,when it's, you know, Pompeii is
erupting and Lucien Lacroix islike, Lucius Lacroix?

Matt (01:06:29):
Lucien.

Rachel (01:06:31):
Well, he's Lucien now, but I think he's Lucius when
he's the general. Yeah. And he'slike, you can't defeat me. I'm
more powerful than the gods. Andthen his statue falls over, and
he's like, oh, no.
My statue has fallen over. AndDivya's like, you gotta choose
now. If you wanna die, you'regonna die with everybody here or
you can live. What's yourdecision? And he's like, to

(01:06:51):
live, Divya, to live.
And then she turns him into avampire, and then we come back,
and Nick is just like bloopbloop. There's a lot of, oh,
shit moments in this episode, soit makes sense to do the blink
blink sound. And he goes, whydid she save you? Like, why did

(01:07:13):
this random child save you? And,LaCroix goes, well, because she
was my daughter, and now you seewhy I never told you who my
master was?
And Nick is, like, yeah. No. Iget it. Yeah. LaCroix goes, 20
years after Pompey, I thoughther dead and buried.

(01:07:34):
And then he goes into theflashback where it's Lacroix and
Divya in the tomb. And she'slike, oh, you're mad at me now
because you found out I killedmy master. Oh, no. I mean, you
you think I'm weird now, don'tyou? Well, let's do this.
I have an idea. This will bringus closer. This will get us over

(01:07:54):
this little emotional hump thatwe're all feeling right now.
Let's, let's bang.

Divia (01:08:00):
Let us do what must not be done. Make love to me,

Matt (01:08:04):
father. To be a nun.

Rachel (01:08:08):
Kvaa's like, well, I'm sorry. What? And she goes, let's
explore our natures. You know?You get what I'm saying?
Well, wink wink. Explore ournatures. Literally, no 1 can
stop us. Everything we left atlust after can be ours. I love
how we're showing the clauseincreasing discomfort from,
like, a 3 quarter below angle.

(01:08:29):
Mhmm. As if we're seeing himfrom Divya's point of view, and
he's just, like, like, gross.And she goes, how can you sit in
judgment after all I have donefor you? And I wanna take a
moment and address the bedazzledcollars that they are wearing.
And I remember watching this onthe CRT TV and being like, oh,

(01:08:53):
yeah.
They have on gold collars, andyou look at it now, and it's
like a couple of jewels and someupholstery trim. Mhmm. Like,
bless. Like, I would almost hadrather they didn't go for it at
all. Like, just give us a whiterobe.

Matt (01:09:10):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:09:12):
Oh, this looked a lot better on the CRT TV. So give it
give it some grace. Okay. Givethese collars some grace. We can
give grace to something in thisepisode.
It's the awful collars they'rewearing. And this is the part
when she does the daughter,mother, lover, why can't I be
all 3?

Divia (01:09:31):
Daughter, mother, lover, why can't I be all 3? You need
someone to love, Lucius, and Ineed you.

Rachel (01:09:40):
And he's like, and he actually vamps out because he
turns around, like, in a, and hefinds us, like, a scythe. And
he's like, oh, yes. So he turnsaround and snarls at her. He
turns around and snarls at her,which is the universal vampire
symbol for let's get it all. Soshe goes, yes.
Come touch me. Then Le Qua cutsher head off, and we just see it

(01:10:08):
in shadow, like, spink, and thenher head pop her shadow head
pops off of her head. And thenhe puts her in the tomb, and
he's like, yeah. I put her inthe tomb, and then the sun god
worked on her kinda like thecross does on us. You you hear
me?

Matt (01:10:22):
Imbued with a lot of religious belief by by the
people that made it, so it's areally powerful symbol.

Rachel (01:10:29):
Yeah. It was good. So Nick is like, well, you had no
choice, clearly. And LaCroix islike, yeah. I did.
I had choices. I could have donewhat she asked, and Nick's like,
yeah, and despised yourself fordoing it. I ought to know. I've
done a lot of things that youasked me to do in the name of
keeping peace, and I regret alot of them. I am speaking from

(01:10:53):
experience right now, andLacroix answers with, yeah.
Okay. I might have despisedmyself if I'd done it, but I
despise myself now because, as ageneral, I did some really
fucked up shit, and yet therewas an evil in my own child that
I couldn't bear to look at it,and it was an evil she got from

(01:11:13):
me, magnified by the 1 who madeher. She was my beautiful
daughter. I loved her. She wasmy child.
She was my fucking flirt. Iloved her, and I couldn't see
her for who she was, and themoment I saw her for exactly

(01:11:34):
what she was, I couldn't handleit, and I killed her. What does
that say about me? And it's alegitimate question. He doesn't
ask that, but that's what itbegs the question.
Who was in the wrong how didDivya get to the point where
she's in an Egyptian tombbegging her father to make love

(01:11:55):
to her? I mean, at this point,Divya's in her thirties. Maybe
not physically, butintellectually because she's
that old. So she's makingchoices. It's kind of like, in
Interview with the Vampire whereshe's well, in the movie, she's
8, and in the book, she's, like,8.
But in the new television show,they aged her up, which, thank

(01:12:16):
Christ, so much better. Yeah.Claudia. Her name is Claudia.
And so she grows up, but shedoesn't physically grow up.
I don't know. This is acomplicated thing because, like,
even if she's physic like,mentally growing up, who else is
she going to find to be with herwho isn't the type of person

(01:12:38):
that will be with a child? Yeah.So which I feel like Divya would
I don't know. You know what?
I'm not gonna make anysuppositions in that direction
whatsoever. But you have tounderstand how Lacroix feels in
this moment, which is, like, Iloved her, and I couldn't handle
who she actually was. And whatkind of parent can't accept

(01:13:01):
their child for who they are?But this is the part where Nick
is like, how did she survive?Like, you cut her head off and
you sealed her in a tomb and shewas in there for 1900 years.
How is she back?

Matt (01:13:11):

Rachel (01:13:12):
I love this show. I love this show. This show is, like,
literally, they have him go,meh. He goes, honestly? No
fucking clue.
Maybe the evil in the tombsustained her? Who knows? Who
cares? Does it matter?

Matt (01:13:30):
Nope. Well, she's an elder generation of vampires.

Rachel (01:13:33):
Yeah. That's what we'll go with.

Matt (01:13:34):
And he threw the head back into the back in the tomb with
her body. Yeah. And so I'mguessing it just reattached.

Rachel (01:13:45):
It may be less that decapitation kills you and more
that decapitation permanentlyincapacitates you

Matt (01:13:55):
because long as you stay decacitated.

Rachel (01:13:57):
You stay separated from your head.

Matt (01:13:59):
Right. And maybe if the head and body had stayed
separated long enough

Rachel (01:14:04):
Yeah.

Matt (01:14:05):
It would have killed her. But if you just, you know, shink
Yeah. Lift, yoink. Donezo. Shutit.
Yeah. Then her

Rachel (01:14:18):
she may have been able

Matt (01:14:19):
to, like, use her tongue and, like, roll her head back
over to her body, have itreattached, which means she
could have healed, like,immediately. Like, within within
a couple hours,

Rachel (01:14:35):
she could have been,

Matt (01:14:35):
like, stored bodily. Yeah. Which means she was conscious

Rachel (01:14:41):
for that 1900 years. Yeah.

Matt (01:14:44):
But she could have also, through the link to Lacroix
Experienced what

Rachel (01:14:50):
he was experiencing.

Matt (01:14:51):
Experienced somewhat what he was experiencing.

Rachel (01:14:54):
Kinda like Nick and Lacroix. Like, how they
connected. Yeah.

Matt (01:14:57):
Yes. Because Lacqua always knows how Nick is feeling.

Rachel (01:15:00):
And maybe the closer connection is also a result of
being closer to the OG vampirebecause I feel like Nick and
LaCroix's connection is farstronger than, like, Vashawn and
Erz.

Matt (01:15:12):
Oh, yeah.

Rachel (01:15:13):
Yeah. Vashawn is kinda like, well, I'll be there if you
need me, but it's not like I'mliterally feeling everything
you're feeling at all times. Sothat would make a lot of sense
because she could be even moreconnected to LaCroix than Nick
is Right. Especially because

Matt (01:15:26):
of the family relationship.

Rachel (01:15:27):
Yeah. Because they're already daughter and father.
Yeah. That's an interesting Iread a book 1 time, and,
honestly, I can't remember thetitle of it. And I wish I could
because I kinda wanna reread itbecause I read it when I was too
young, and I want it's you everread a book when it's too young
and it has like, it's weird inyour head, but you're like, it's
probably not as weird as Ithought it was.
I was just too little to readit. And it's this vampire.

Matt (01:15:49):
Happened to me with a book called, Chthon Okay. CHTH0NI
read it in, like, freshman yearof high school, and it was just,
like, weird. And then I rereadit a couple years ago, and I was
like, okay. It was a littleweird, but it wasn't, like, as
weird I as I remember it. Yeah.
But I had more Yeah. I had more,emotional ballast.

Rachel (01:16:12):
Yeah. This guy is like a evolutionary offshoot kinda
thing, and it's sort of thelegend like, the origin of the
vampire legends. He's notspecifically a vampire, really,
but he has vampire like traits.But he cannot die. He physically
cannot die, and at 1 point, hegets decapitated and, like, his
skin seals over at his neck andthen underneath his head.

(01:16:36):
And then he's able to controlhis head and body separately to
get himself back together. Oh.And, like, not only does the
skin seal, but, like, his bodywill adapt to continue providing
itself with what it needs. So,like, he can breathe through his
pores when his head is notattached. Oh.
And it it was just aninteresting story. There was

(01:17:00):
more to it. Like, he only diedbecause of wood because his body
couldn't differentiate betweenwood and itself. And so he could
heal from other things, but hepierced his heart with wood, it
would just leave it there. Ifyou took the stake out, he'd get
better.

(01:17:21):
Yeah. Anyway, we kind ofestablished that staking is
pretty final because not onlydoes Divya die when she gets
staked at the end, but shestaked Ka'a, and he stayed dead.

Matt (01:17:32):
She staked Ka'a and then left him in the sunlight.

Rachel (01:17:36):
Right. And then buried him.

Matt (01:17:38):
Put his ashes in this tomb

Rachel (01:17:40):
Right.

Matt (01:17:40):
With this really powerful religious symbol above it.

Rachel (01:17:43):
Right. But he didn't come back. They didn't feed off
of each other, and he came back.Only she came back.

Matt (01:17:49):
Right.

Rachel (01:17:49):
So staking feels like donezo, but maybe the head thing
is really just mildlyinconvenient.

Matt (01:17:57):
For that generation of vampires. Yeah. And but then
Lacroix gets staked And burned.And burned, and he comes back.
Yeah.
And so it may be, like, stakingincapacitates you similarly to
decapitation, but you reallyneed sunlight Yeah. To finish

(01:18:20):
him off.

Rachel (01:18:21):
Yeah. Maybe he buried his ashes.

Matt (01:18:23):
Or complete completely burning because Lacroix is
throwing, Divya into a fire pitat the end.

Rachel (01:18:34):
It kinda feels like maybe LaCroix didn't get staked
straight through his heart.Maybe more like

Matt (01:18:39):
And he just, you know, yeeted out real fast.

Rachel (01:18:41):
Yeah. I don't know. You know what? We're gonna pull a
forever night here, and we'rejust gonna go.

Matt (01:18:46):

Rachel (01:18:49):
Meh. Meh. Who cares? No 1 cares. It's fine.
And Nick is like, oh, okay. Ifully accept that explanation.
Thank you so much, Lacroix. Andhe goes, do you think she'll
come for you? I love this scenefor several reasons, and 1 is
because we get the badassbisexual lighting back from,
like, the OG raven.

(01:19:11):
Mhmm. And it makes me sonostalgic for the, like, vibe of
season 1, the, like, cowboy, wedo what we want vibe of season
1, and I just miss it so much.But he's like, no. She's not
gonna come for me yet becauseshe's got more people to kill.
And Nick is like, heard.
So he goes to leave, and then hedoes this little pause where he

(01:19:32):
puts his hand on Lacroix'sshoulder, and he goes, if you
need anything. And Lacroix goes,thank you, Nicholas. If you need
me, thank you, Nicholas. Andthen he just gets this look

(01:19:56):
like, oh my god. He really doeslike me.
Like, this was a moment oftenderness that LaCroix was not
expecting. Because Nick came in,like, who the fuck is she? You
turned her, didn't you? And nowshe's here to kill you when
you're making it all of ourproblems. And then as soon as he
finds out that, like, oh, thisis your daughter.
Oh my god. And she's the 1 whoturned you? Oh, shit. That

(01:20:17):
explains so much about howfucked up you are. Oh, no.
And then he's like, oh, I am youknow, I have misjudged you. If
you need anything, you just letme know. Thank you, Nicholas.
Like

Matt (01:20:29):
So I've noticed the last few episodes, Lacroix calls Nick
Nicholas and has stopped callinghim Nicolas.

Rachel (01:20:38):
Really, only Jennette calls him Nicolas? Nicola. He's
pretty much always Nicholas ornot even really Nicholas.

Matt (01:20:45):
Maybe it's just been in flashbacks. He calls him Nicola
because they're ostensiblyspeaking a different language.
Yeah. Yes.

Rachel (01:20:57):
Anyway, nothing can take away the joy of that moment from
me, and I love it so much. And Ihaven't been able to watch this
episode for a year and a halfbecause we've been doing this
podcast, and I'd have to watchit when you weren't there and
you're never gone.

Matt (01:21:15):
Wonders of working from home.

Rachel (01:21:18):
So then we come back, and Vashan is telling Tracy, oh,
I'm I'm losing it. I'm not gonnaget better. I'm only gonna get
worse, and you have got to killme. And there's a stake. It's
over there.
It's in the bottom drawer on theleft hand side. It no. Not that
1. That get over no. In the theother chest.
The yeah. No. The yes. Thatchest. Yeah.

(01:21:39):
It's in that 1, and you gottakill me. You gotta put that
stake straight through my heart.And so she walks over with the
stake, and she, like, puts it onhis chest because he pulls his
shirt open. And then she's like,I can't do it. I can't do it.
Like, I can't do it. This is sounfair of him to ask her to kill
him.

Matt (01:21:56):
Right.

Rachel (01:21:57):
Deeply unfair. He could have gone out in the sun just
like his master did.

Matt (01:22:03):
He could have done full self-service on his demise.

Rachel (01:22:08):
Yeah. He could've staked himself. If he can't get it up
under his own breastbone or ifthere's some whatever. He
could've put it against hischest and run into a wall.

Matt (01:22:15):
Himself onto the stake anyway. Yeah. So he could have
thrown himself onto the stakewithout Tracy there.

Rachel (01:22:22):
This feels like I don't wanna be alone right now, so I
want you to do it because then Iwon't have committed like, I
won't have done it. Right. Andyou'll be here when I die. But
this is so fucking unfair toTracy, and she ends up walking
away like, I can't do it. Ican't do it.
And he snarls and rushes at her,and she stakes him out of
reflex, and he's like, made youdo it. And then she has to hold

(01:22:47):
him as he dies. And he's like,Tracy? And she goes, yes,
Javier? And he goes, wish meluck.
And then he dies. That's a goodparting line though. Wish me
luck. That's not a bad 1. Imean, considering all that he's
done in his life.

(01:23:09):
I don't know if we selfactualize and we only get
punished for the things we feelguilty for, he's fine.

Matt (01:23:14):
No regret?

Rachel (01:23:15):
No regret. No regrets. None. So then we go back to the
precinct, and Nick is like,yeah. So we got nothing on
Lacroix.

Matt (01:23:24):
Like, he barely exists

Rachel (01:23:26):
on the periphery. Wait. Are you telling me Lacroix
doesn't even exist? And Nickgoes, well, not to us he
doesn't. He's clean.
Everyone's accounted for andclean. I did it myself
personally. And Reese is like,so we what? Write it off as
ghosts or aliens or something?Come on, Nick.
The truth is out there.

Matt (01:23:47):
And I checked X Files started in 1993. So this may be

Rachel (01:23:54):
I wanna know if if X Files was taking their time
slot. Like, I wanna know if thatwas what was happening. And it
goes, yeah.

Matt (01:24:02):
Or maybe, Blue Man Kuma was just a big fan of The X
Files Yeah. And he slipped thatin.

Rachel (01:24:07):
Slipped it in. The truth is out there. And then Nick
goes, yeah.

Matt (01:24:10):
Throws in a bunch of supernatural stuff, aliens. The
truth is out there. Believe.

Rachel (01:24:15):
Yeah. But maybe not in our jurisdiction. Yeah. That's
what Nick says, which heliterally he means he means
literally in this point, becausethis is vampire justice. Like,
vampires are gonna handle this.

Matt (01:24:27):
Oh, so in the reboot, Nigel Bennett should come back
as an enforcer.

Rachel (01:24:33):
We're just gonna put Nigel Bennett in every scene.
Like, he's just gonna be like,he's the we're going to go meet
John Caplos, at a con coming uppretty soon. So we'll have met
Katherine Disher. We'll have metGarrett Windavies. We'll have
met John Caplos, and then thereis the respectfully stated great

(01:24:53):
white whale, which is NigelBennett.
He does not go out on tour tolike, that I can see to any cons
anymore. And, like, how do youfind this man to get his like, I
I can't have a whole castsignature on my poster if I
don't get him. So anyway, Nigel,if you're listening, you can go

(01:25:14):
on our website, and you cancontact me through the form, or
you can send me an email atrachel@strangeandbeautiful.club.

Matt (01:25:21):
Links in the show notes.

Rachel (01:25:22):
Links in the show notes. So anyway

Matt (01:25:25):
And they work now.

Rachel (01:25:26):
They do. I fixed all the links. I fixed all the links.
I'm good at what I do. Okay?
So after we get the, yeah, butmaybe the truth just isn't in
our jurisdiction, he goes, Nicksays, where's my partner? And
Reese's go Reese says, oh, well,she didn't tell you? Of course.
Why would she tell you? She'syour partner.

(01:25:46):
She said she was going to see asnitch, and Nick is like, oh,
shit. She literally only has 1snitch. So he

Matt (01:25:54):
She thinks she's being clever.

Rachel (01:25:55):
Yeah. So he yeets off to go, and he actually witnesses
this moment between Tracy andVashawn or actually really
Vashawn's body. And she's like,I never got to tell you how I
felt, but maybe you knew. I hopeyou know. I hope you knew
because you changed me.
You opened my eyes, and I'llalways love you for that. And

(01:26:16):
she says she'll take him to seeScreed, so he can be with his
friend, and not to ruin thisreally sweet moment, but that
means she has to lug his bodyacross town, dig a hole by the
river, and bury him in it. And Idon't wanna shit on this moment,
but, like, that feels likesomething Nick should have
helped her with and then beenlike, I didn't do any of this.

(01:26:39):
Just you know.

Matt (01:26:40):
I'm just imagining Nick being like, oh, okay. And then
he, like, whooshes off and comesback and drops off a, like like,
the big, carts you get atLowe's. And then he whooshes on
down to the river and digs agrave.

Rachel (01:27:00):
Yeah. Just Yeah. And then just puts, like, for Vashon
and just, like, leaves it. Like,don't don't tell anybody. It's
fine.
Yeah. Ugh. So we go back to themorgue, and Nick is standing
there and he's talking toNatalie and he was like, there's
nothing I could do for her.There's no 1 she can talk to
about Vashawn. He's still notwilling to reveal what he is, so

(01:27:23):
she has no 1 and no 1 no 1 totalk to about this.
And Natalie's like, you know I'min the exact same fucking boat.
Right, Nick? And you got a 2,000 year old little girl who's
out to kill everyone connectedto her daddy and no 1 is closer
than you. Because even if Nickgets killed, Tracy and Natalie

(01:27:46):
would have to reveal to eachother that they knew vampires
existed but didn't tell eachother. And other if they don't
do that, then even they can'ttalk to each other if they both
lose the vampire they love.
And then we get this moment inthe doorway where he puts his
hand on Natalie's cheek, andhe's like, don't worry. I'll
watch my back.

Matt (01:28:08):
Don't worry. I'll watch my back.

Rachel (01:28:13):
And you know Natalie's not reassured because she's been
through his bullshit backwardsand forwards in every which
ways. She knows exactly how thisis gonna go. Because kind of in
the very next scene, Divya showsup at his house to kill him.
Yeah. And this is actuallyreally a good part, because she
could have just shown up andbeen like and killed him like
she's done with everybody else.

(01:28:34):
I don't know. I don't know.Father's son. Oh, it's Nick.
Yeah.
It's Nick. And she actuallycomes out and she's like, hello,
brother. Hello? Because he goes,ah, Divya. And she pushes aside
his paint his paint table, andshe's, like, you understand that
I have to do this.
It's not personal. It's about mydaddy issues, and you are his

(01:28:54):
favorite son. And this ishappening, so it can happen the
hard way and it can hurt a lot,or it can happen the easy way
and it can hurt less. So youready? And I love that ready.
Like, I love the ready. Here wego. And then we get a vampire
showdown, which is just blahblah blah blah. Jump on table,
fall down. Nick lights on firefor a little while, takes the

(01:29:15):
jacket off.
And then she

Matt (01:29:17):
Rick Forsyth throws the jacket off.

Rachel (01:29:19):
Yeah. His his stunt double with a really bad wig.
And then she grabs him. Youknow, she, like, scratches his
face, which is part of her modeof operation, and then she ends
up biting him and tossing him tothe side, and he falls on 1 of
his sun paintings. And we getthis, like, oh, shit.

(01:29:42):
Nick is dead. Because we zoomslowly away from him. And then
we get a moth band flight. Socanonically, there was another
sighting of the moth band, butthis time, moth woman was
smaller. Weird.
I don't know. They move so fast.

Matt (01:29:57):
Moth girl.

Rachel (01:29:58):
Moth girl. I was trying to figure out if there was a
superhero named moth girl, and Ithink there's just the moth from
the tick. So Yeah. Yeah. Not

Matt (01:30:08):
not a popular superhero avatar.

Rachel (01:30:12):
Not really. Although I love the tick. But anyway, so we
go to LaCroix at the Raven, andthis is when Divya arrives, and
she comes up from behind thiscurtain. And LaCroix goes, if I
didn't know better, I'd almostsay that you'd grown, my dear,
which is actually an in jokebecause, Catherine Long had
actually grown between her 2appearances on the show. Yeah.

(01:30:36):
And so she grew up. This istheir wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Get it? I mean, she spent 1900years in this tomb being mad. It
made her grow a little.
I don't know. And she decides totry to needle him a little bit.
She's like, I never imagined youwould rise to the lofty position
of innkeeper. It's like that'snot that's not the burn you

(01:30:58):
think it is. It's fine.
I own a whole club. I have apodcast. Okay?

Matt (01:31:03):
Cool following.

Rachel (01:31:04):
Cool people have podcasts.

Matt (01:31:06):
With an Internet following.

Rachel (01:31:08):
With an Internet. I got look. I put up a poll and I got
responses. Okay? Like, people

Matt (01:31:15):
Rachel did.

Rachel (01:31:16):
People voted. Yeah. I did, personally. Me. I'm micro
famous.
Isn't that the joke now? Microfamous. Micro famous. I'm famous
in my own head. Okay?
So, anyway, after that real,real, real deep dig of, the
lofty position of, independentsuccessful business owner, but

(01:31:37):
the modern world is full ofdisappointments. Oh, and by the
way, I've won. And Lacroix islike, oh, you've come to gloat,
Glivia? Great. Fine.
Whatever. I fucking hate you.And she's like, you cannot
imagine how much I hate youbecause I was going to spend
centuries loving you, like,loving you, but here we are. And

(01:31:58):
Lacroix is like, you know what?Actually, she slaps him around a
little bit.
They get into a bit of a tiffhere. And then he's like, you
know, I always thought evil hadits limits, Divya, but you take
the fucking cake because even Ihave my I have a line. Okay?

Matt (01:32:14):
In test.

Rachel (01:32:16):
It's the line. It's still a line. It's the line.
It's still a line. And she goes,and that's why you're as weak as
those we prey upon.
And he's like, okay. So the onlything you really have left to do
is kill me. Like, you've doneeverything else to me. You've
made everybody leave. I'm hereall by myself.
I had to close the club. Youkilled Vashon and Urs, who I

(01:32:37):
honestly gave less of a shitabout than you could possibly
imagine, but, like, cool cool.You killed them. That's fine.
You should probably just goahead and kill me.
And I have to wonder, is heprovoking Divya to try to get
her to kill him before she goesand kills Nick? Maybe. Like
saving Nick by getting her toabbreviate her plan and just go

(01:33:01):
ahead and count him. Yeah. Itkinda feels that way because he
feels like he's goading her, andit doesn't work because she's
like, oh, you mean kill youright now and deny you the pain
and loneliness that I have felt?
I don't think so. You must existforever with the knowledge that
you destroyed everyone who wasdear to you. And then she goes,

(01:33:21):
including your son. And this isthe part where LaCroix is like

Matt (01:33:28):
Oh, no. She didn't.

Rachel (01:33:29):
What do you mean? And she goes, Nicholas, I think, was
his name. 1 always recognizesfamily, And Lacroix is like, oh,
hell, no. You did not killNicholas. And she goes, yeah.
No. Your son is dead. How doesthat feel? Tell me how that
feels. And then he's like, I amnot gonna let you leave here

(01:33:52):
because there is enough miseryin the world.
And she's like, nah. There'salways room for more. And then
she ends up grabbing him by theneck because she's like, oh,
okay. You're gonna stop me? Youand as they say, whose army?
And then she throws him throughthe glass into the pod lab. In
my notes, I wrote, not the podlab. How rude. How rude. And

(01:34:13):
then Divya is, like, monologuingwhile she's pressing his neck to
the broken glass, and she'slike, say you're sorry.
Tell me you don't like, tell meyou're sorry. And then Lequois
goes, if you kill me right now,my suffering will be over. This
is a really tense part. There'sa lot of tete a tete in this
part. There's a lot of back andforth, and she's like, maybe,

(01:34:36):
but also maybe you'll be damned,And, oh, look, I brought the
scythe that you killed me with.
Oh my God. Weirdest coincidence.Lacroix responds to this. He
goes, when I was mortal, I lovedyou more than the gods, but now

(01:34:58):
how could anyone love anythingas grotesque as you? That's a
pretty that was better than theinnkeeper line.
So Divya has some,

Matt (01:35:09):
some LaCroix 2, Divya, maybe 1 None. 0?

Rachel (01:35:13):
Only 1 because she killed Nick, and he she got him
with that 1. But everythingelse, it's been LaCroix's game,
and she's playing it Yep.Verbally. Physically, she's
beaten the shit out of him, andthen she raises the weapon. And
I have to imagine, at thispoint, he's not fighting back
simply because a world withoutNick, what's the point of that?

(01:35:34):
Because like you said, in a morepermanent hell, I will actually
miss you. I just won't be ableto die.

Matt (01:35:40):
Right.

Rachel (01:35:42):
And she raises the weapon, and just in time, she
gets staked. And as her bodyfalls away, we see that it's
Nick. And Lacroix's look ofrelief when he sees that Nick is
okay is like, oh, thank God. Ihave invested so much time and
energy in you. I was reallyhoping you didn't die.

Matt (01:36:03):
And I'm I'm guessing that LaCroix would have felt it if
Nick actually died.

Rachel (01:36:11):
He didn't feel it when Jeanette turned into a mortal.

Matt (01:36:14):
Well, maybe that's because

Rachel (01:36:15):
he didn't care that much about Jeanette. I mean And it

Matt (01:36:19):
may have been a different sensation, like a gradual, like,
weakening of her Yeah. Like,signal.

Rachel (01:36:27):
Maybe Divya is, like, jamming the channels. It's like
having a too powerful of asignal.

Matt (01:36:31):
Yeah. That could be it. It.

Rachel (01:36:32):
Yeah. But after she gets staked, Divya's laying on the
ground and she's like, oh,father, help me. Daddy, please.
And LaCroix is like, okay. Yeah.
No. It's fine. I forgive youeverything. I'm so sorry. I'm so
sorry.
I caught you grotesque. Can yougive me a little girl? I'm gonna
help you. And Nick is like, no.No.
No. And she goes, father, don'tlet me die. This is when Nick is

(01:36:56):
like, uh-uh. Don't do it. Hekeeps holding him back, which is
really sweet and really sadbecause he just wants to save
his little girl, and then shedoes this, like, death rattles
out.

Matt (01:37:07):
That's not bad.

Rachel (01:37:08):
This is fine. It's good. Yeah. And then we cut to them at
this junkyard, and they'repreparing to burn divia, and
it's the most non human lookingwrapped thing I've ever seen in
my whole life. The feet looklike cartoon character feet.
They're like, but I kinda thinkthere might be some exceptions.

(01:37:38):
And then he goes, I neverthought I'd say this, Nick, but
I am so glad for your search forhumanity. Perhaps that's what
allowed you to withstand herdeath by evilness. And so here's
the part where we can kind ofdiscuss why do we think that
Nick was able to overcome this,because his response is just
that Urs and Vashawn were young,and they didn't know how to deal

(01:38:02):
with it.

Matt (01:38:04):
Right. And I don't think they had gone, like, as wide
open as Nick had done severaltimes on just, like, murder
sprees. So Nick had experiencedthe just wild, bloody, like,
murder sprees where he wasenjoying every moment of it.

(01:38:27):
Yeah. And he has, like, workedhimself down from that state a
bunch.

Rachel (01:38:32):
He's learned how to compartmentalize that?

Matt (01:38:34):
And he maintains that that, you know,
compartmentalization of it on adaily basis.

Rachel (01:38:42):
And, like, it it killed Oz outright. Whatever it was
killed Oz, just straight killedOz.

Matt (01:38:48):
Right.

Rachel (01:38:48):
It didn't kill Vashon until he was staked. Right.
Although he stated he was dying.Right.

Matt (01:38:55):
Yeah. He wasn't, regenerating.

Rachel (01:38:57):
I wonder if it is a lifetime of having to fend off
LaCroix's psychic invasion.

Matt (01:39:05):
Maybe the combination of Yeah. Of just personally being
able to deal with it.

Rachel (01:39:10):
I think it's supposed to be a combination of just simple
time. He has at least 300 yearson Vashon, and then his master
is orders of magnitude olderthan most other people's
masters. So the person that helearned everything that he
learned from is orders ofmagnitude more powerful than

(01:39:32):
other people's masters.

Matt (01:39:33):
And Nick is a a more elder generation of the empire? Yeah.

Rachel (01:39:37):
It's like a millennial in Urs and Vashon were all Gen
z. And somebody took away theircell phone, and they just died.
They just straight up died. Andthe millennials, like, well,
I've been here before. I knowhow to live without a cell
phone.
I can handle it.

Matt (01:39:54):
Get me that phone book and a pay phone.

Rachel (01:39:56):
That's fine. What what we did we watch for the checked.
Oh, we just watched the MarioBrothers movie with cinematic
anarchy, and they checked

Matt (01:40:03):
The 9394 1?

Rachel (01:40:05):
Yeah. And they checked their met their answering
machine from the pay phone,which I thought was the most
nineties combination of tasks 1could possibly do. Yeah. I've
always liked that Nick survivesthis. I like it because we harp
on the fact that Nick is weaker.
He's more human. He's moremortal. He's intentionally less

(01:40:29):
vampire than everybody aroundhim, and it gets a little bit
like, my my my. And it's reallynice every once in a while when
there were, like, there areperks.

Matt (01:40:38):
Right.

Rachel (01:40:39):
There are perks to the fact that he has focused so hard
on learning to control hisurges, his mental like, he's
learned to control himself andto control the part of himself
that is vampire. And he's doneit for different reasons than
maybe Lacroix has, but you haveto imagine Lacroix is probably

(01:41:02):
just as good at controllinghimself as Nick is Yeah. Just
for different reasons. And Ilove that this gives him a well,
they were young, and so theydidn't know how to deal with it.
But it was fine.
15 minutes, I was good to go. SoI don't hate it. I don't hate
this moment. I love this moment.In fact, I fucking love this

(01:41:25):
moment because this is when heturns to Laquan.
He's like, I'm sorry for yourloss. I mean, because this was a
loss. We all like Divya had herflaws, but he was still her
child. It still hurts. What hewas losing was not just the
child.
It was the life he could havehad with her had she not done
the things that she did.

Matt (01:41:45):
Right.

Rachel (01:41:47):
Sometimes you don't just lose the physical person. You
lose the future too, the futureyou would have had with them.
And so he's like, I'm sorry foryour loss. And this is when he
says, okay. How about Urs?
Laquaza goes, how about Urs? AndNick goes, Natalie took care of
her body.

Matt (01:42:04):
How did Natalie take care of a vampire body?

Rachel (01:42:06):
And all I can imagine is Natalie, like, dragging a body
bag out at dawn and justunzipping it and just standing
there and smoking a cigarettewhile it burns. And then, like,
shaking the ashes out on theflower bed and just walking back
in, cursing Nick the whole way,like, fucking Oh, no.

Matt (01:42:23):
No. No. No. There's a little, like, ashtray outside
because it's the smoking area.

Rachel (01:42:28):
Yeah.

Matt (01:42:28):
And she just pours the bag into the

Rachel (01:42:31):
To the ashtray.

Matt (01:42:32):
The ashtray, and then she calls the facilities guy, hey.
This ashtray is full again.

Rachel (01:42:36):
It's full. Yeah. You should probably commit them to
the wind too, by the way. Sothen he says, well, what about
Vashon? And Nick's like, well,Tracy buried him by screed.
She knows what he was, whichreminds us that, like, LaCroix
and Tracy never interacted. SoLaCroix and Tracy? Yeah. He

(01:42:57):
never had a chance to find outthat she knew. I mean, when they
met in the precinct, that wasit.
That was their firstinteraction. And Lacroix goes,
oh, is that gonna be a problem?And Nick's like, well, maybe we
should just tell her that Vashonmoved on, but leave in that he
was a vampire. Like, we'll justsay he was a vampire. It was his

(01:43:17):
time, and he moved on.
And, you know, that knowledge ofus was his gift to her, and we
don't have any right to take itaway, which is fair. And we got
into a slight debate on thediscord about this, about
whether we felt like this was afair like, Olga, Sean left to go
get cigarettes and just nevercame back. Like, is that a great

(01:43:38):
way to end? Like, is that betteror would it be better to have
left her with he sacrificedhimself before he could hurt
her?

Matt (01:43:46):
Right.

Rachel (01:43:47):
And I think I like this. I like the he it was his time.
You had your time together, andthen he chose to leave because
it's technically correct. Right.

Matt (01:44:01):
But it removes the trauma of him kind of selfishly
involving her.

Rachel (01:44:05):
Right. Because it makes him a better person than he was,
and there's really there's noshame in that in leaving Vashon
a better legacy than he wouldhave left himself. Right. So
okay. Nick follows that up with,you know, she's a resistor, but
I know you know how to getaround that.

(01:44:27):
Lacoste is like, done. Say nomore. I I can handle that. He
goes, but you know what? I'mgonna stay here with Divya right
now until she's ash, and thenI'm gonna commit her to the
wind, and I might even say aprayer.
And this is when Nick does theshoulder grab. The, like, puts
his hand up on his shoulder, andhe goes, good night, Lacroix.

(01:44:48):
And then they get they sharethis look. Why couldn't I have
had this in any other episode?This, like, you know what?
We love a good bromance. 1 ofour favorite K dramas we love
because the bromance is so onpoint, And this could have had
they look at their chemistry.Just look at their chemistry in

(01:45:09):
this 1 little moment, and wecould have had this bromance.

Matt (01:45:13):
Yeah.

Rachel (01:45:14):
For seasons. And instead, we get it right now
because they get this look, andhe just goes

Matt (01:45:19):
Which is worse than even doing this in the last episode.
If this

Rachel (01:45:22):
is the last

Matt (01:45:22):
episode, it's like, oh, okay. Cool. That's, like, going
forward. Yeah. Cool.
We got that

Rachel (01:45:32):
Yeah.

Matt (01:45:32):
At the end. But 1 episode before the end, it's, like,
wait. If this wasn't the finale,we could have had this at any
other time.

Rachel (01:45:43):
At any other time, Except we did we didn't. And
after their look, he goes,Nicholas. And Nigel, fucking
Bennett packs so much into thatNicholas, and they just fucking
love it so much because it's notjust Nick. It's like Nicholas.
He just found out that his mostbeloved son yes.

(01:46:05):
Beloved and beleaguered. Like,he he harasses Nicholas. But he
does like, I have alwayscontended. He's doing it from a
place of I care about you. I'mjust not real real good at
figuring out how to tell youthat.
And so I'm I'm, like, trying torelate with you, but I only have
1 method of communication, andour our love languages are

(01:46:28):
really incompatible. Okay? Buthe is his most beloved son. He
is the 1 that he is closest to.He has stayed with him for 800
years for a reason, and hethought he was dead.
He thought Divya had killed him,and for that moment, he lost
Nicholas. He lost 800 years oftrying to connect with him and

(01:46:52):
never quite making it, and helost every future possibility of
ever connecting with him. Rightnow, when he finally felt like
he was growing closer to him ina way he never had before, And
then he didn't actually losehim. He shows up, and not only
does he show up, he saves him.He could have let Divya kill him

(01:47:13):
and then killed Divya, and hewould have been free, But he
doesn't.
He saves Lacroix, and this is amoment where they have finally,
finally connected. Not only didhe get his son back, but he got
his son back better than before.And he packs all of that into
Nicholas, because he's Nigelmotherfucking Bennett. That's

(01:47:38):
why. And then Nick leaves.
He just walks off, and hewhooshes off. And LaCroix lights
the body, and then that's theend. And that's the end of the
second to last episode ofForever Night.

Matt (01:47:51):
Yep. Yeah. And I think we're gonna be doing a live
watch along on the Discord.

Rachel (01:47:57):
Yeah. The Discord's gonna be doing a live watch
along of last night, sometimenext week. Haven't nailed down
the date yet, but when we do,I'll put

Matt (01:48:06):
it up. Night next week.

Rachel (01:48:07):
Yep. With a k. Both of them. Kweek, KWEK. Connect.
Kweek. Yes. So I I don't know. Idon't have a date nailed down
yet, but when I do, I'm gonnaput it up. I'll put it up on
Instagram.
And, again, we'll do the samething we did for Black Buddha
where I'll record the watchalong, and then I'll just offer

(01:48:29):
it on Patreon if you wanna buyit for, like I think I put it up
for a dollar. And then you justwatch it like a riff track as
you watch the episode, or youcan watch it live with us on the
Discord. I'll put the date up onInstagram. If I can't get a good
date next week for everybody onthe Discord, I may actually
delay it 1 week just to makesure because a lot of the people

(01:48:51):
on the Discord have been with usfor a really long time, and I
wanna share this last episodewith them. So I'm gonna make
sure we get, we get everybodywho wants to be a part of it.
I hopefully can be a part of it.So, I guess we'll just leave it
at that. I don't really I lovethis episode for a lot of
reasons. And it's because asweird and as meh as some of the

(01:49:15):
things that pop up are, this isNigel's episode, and I respect
Nigel as an actor so much. And Ilove that they just let him
run-in this episode, and, Ifucking love it.
And I think I'm just gonna leaveit there. Do you have anything
else you wanna share? Mm-mm. Sountil next time, friends.

Matt (01:49:39):
Bye. Bye.

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