September 19, 2025 • 41 mins
On this week’s Next Man Up, we’ve got TWO powerhouse guests! 💪
First, current Commanders defensive end Dorance Armstrong joins the show to talk about his 8th NFL season, what’s clicking for him in this new-look defense, the impact of Joe Whitt Jr., and how he’s stepping into a role as a vocal leader.
Then, we’re honored to welcome Washington legend Dexter Manley — the franchise’s all-time sack leader 🏆. Dexter opens up about his historic career, the lessons he’s learned, what he might do differently if given the chance, and how he’s overcome a lifetime of adversity to inspire the next generation.
It’s an episode packed with perspective — from a rising star in today’s NFL to a true Washington icon. Don’t miss it!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean, you know, I was in Dallas for the
whole time, and they you know, they.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Are where they are but better.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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I ain't got to talk to you in a minute.
I've missed my guys. Good to have one in the studio.
We got some different lights on in today. But welcome
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and our Next Man Up doing songshow.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah you doing, brother, man, solid brother. It's good to
see you. Man. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We were just talking off and we was like the
last time I think me and you got to really wrap.
You had just signed here. So much has changed since then, man,
So much.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Can happen in a year. Can you just talk about what.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This last year has been like since you joined the Berguniar.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Go man, There's been nothing but growth on the field
and off the field. It was a new place for me,
new people, so just happened to maneuver on my way.
This's my first time really almost living out of Texas
other than college, so coming up here is completely different.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So, man, just just a lot of growth.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Man, me and you both actually moved here from Texas
around kind of the same time. I think I got
here a year before you, and it's different. The DMV
is very different. But I don't know if I've ever
seen a community or fan base that truly loves their
team like here. Have you ever witnessed anything like that?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I mean, you know, I was in Dallas for the
whole time, and they you know, they are here. They
are but better, Yeah, for sure, one hundred percent. Man
coming out on game day and just just feeling that
energy and.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
They bring it every week.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The weather be perfect too, so it's like we're getting
the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So I'm loving it right now.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean clearly you loving it, and it's showing on
the field.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Before we even got to the season, we heard a
lot from our defensive coordinator, Joe with Junior on you.
He said, you're a complete player. When you hear things
like that, What does that mean to you? Because he
described it his words, But what does it mean to
you when you hear You'll Devens coordinator say during S
Armstrong is a complete player.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I appreciate the man. I worked so hard.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Man, I've been playing football since I was four years
old and didn't even like really know I was gonna
be this, be this who I am or make it
just far. But at each of it, I just continue
to be a student of the game. And even when
I got here. I'm year eight now, but my first
three years I wasn't really on the field like that.
I was sitting behind guys I was watching in the
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league as I was a kid, you know, just taking
all that in. So to this day, I still I
think those guys and they probably don't even know it,
but I learned so much from guys that I was
a fan of as a kid, and now I'm pint
that to my game. I feel like that's I owe
that to them because it means so much to me
that it was those guys that didn't even know who
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I was as a kid looking up watching them being
productive in the league, making the name for theirself, and
then over the years I get to learn from them
how they did it and get a chance to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Remember when we first met, sat like this and talked.
You said you just needed an opportunity. And I'm gonna
give my boy some help real quick because he is sweating,
wipe in the face, my man, straight out of practice. Yo,
came right here, straight out of practice, got more practice
to do. Like that's how dope this is that they
sit here, take the time. So you good sweating my boy.
But you said you just need an opportunity. You said
you needed a place that was going to allow you
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to do your things. Like you said, you sat behind
some dogs right here, were just waiting for your chance.
Now you had that opportunity. Now you've gotten it. Now
you're the man on this defensive line. What has that
opportunity done for doings on show?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It allowed me to show what I can do and
be more productive. And last year was my first year here.
I was getting a feel for the guys, the new team,
the new surroundings and all that. But now second year,
and I'm a lot more comfortable, a lot more aware
of what's going on. So I'm just able to play
a lot more freely.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And that show's on the field.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Two sacks already, you had five in total last year.
What's going right for you so far?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We're only heading into week three, But what's been going
right for you so far?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Everything br the film study, my coaches, the work from
the offseason, just just literally putting everything together.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I feel like each year it was something that I
was learning, like steps of how to do, how to
master one thing. And now that I'm your a, I've
I feel like I've mastered a lot of those things.
Now it's literally cooking in the pot.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And y, I think you bring an interesting perspective because
much like your experience with Dan Quinn, you also have
an experience with Joe with Junior. He was the secondary's
coach when you were on the defense in uh Dallas.
Now he's a defensive coordinator. You've got to see him
grow along with you. What has it been like playing
under Joe Witt Junior? A defensive coordinator who has done
so much and accomplished so much in his coach coaching.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Career, for sure, And he's a guy who believe in
in Russian covering and and when you literally have guys
who's covering and Russian, the game goes our way, sacks, turnovers, pigs,
pick sixes, and then you just see how much fun
we having and so when that stuff is presented in
the meetings, it sound good and and make you feel good.
So now we go out there practically entered and make
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that stuff happen. And that's the type of impact he has.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I don't know if you know this, but you
know we do our research here and PFF has you
with eleven QB hurries this season. That's fifth in the NFL.
Not fifth on the team, that's fifth in the NFL.
When you look around you, because this defensive line is
a new little defensive line. You got a lot of
new guys on there. How is this working so well?
Not only just for you before that entire defensive line,
because we're seeing a bunch of guys being able to
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show up for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
We got that confidence in each other. We know that
everybody can play in any position. And the work, the
study that we put in together on and off the field.
On Sunday, we just come to cut it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Loose and we lost a key member of our defensive
line in districts. Wise, Man, this is a gentle giant,
if you will, one of the nicest guys.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
What was that like? What was your conversations been like
with Wise? Because we've all been there right where. We
got to overcome this hurdle.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We got to.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Overcome an obstacle. This is a big obstacle for him.
Have you've been able to talk to him? What has
that been like being there for him?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I know him on the whole another personal level. So
immediately when it happened, it was it was heartbreaking for me.
But he he had his surgery. I shot him text
message he.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Probably not gonna want to want me to share this,
but it was.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It was so impactful for me. After the game, on
the ride back, you know, he flew back with us
and setting down chopping up with him, he was in
a little bit of a better spirit than he was
when it happened. But as he was talking, he just
broke down. Like he was laughing, talking and med combo.
He just broke down and like, I just remember the
stuff that I could hear him saying on the field.
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And so I know how much this meant to him,
and and I know how much he meant to the
building because every day he come in, he's probably the
first person in here energy level on a thousand, even
if you're just walking in the building. He got jokes,
he want to make you smile, laugh all that. So
now that that's that's going, the room was a little different,
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the build is completely different. But he's for sure. I
always remember and you can definitely feel that his president
isn't here no more.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I remember talking to guys like coach Sharief and he'll
say a guy like, why is it somebody we gotta
tell to relax a little bit, like he's always doing
so much, like we want him to be able to
preserve that. But I gotta imagine that affects somebody like you.
Right like Wise is won the Super Bowls. He's been
in the league a little longer than you. What have
you been able to learn not only from Wise, but
playing next to guys like Daran Pain, being able to
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be a leader, to a guy like Johnny Newton, even
a guy like Jean Baptiste for the seventh round pick.
I gotta imagine all of you guys are helping each
other grow in different ways.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For me, I think it's always been a challenge to
be more vocal all my life. People was telling me
that you're a leader, you can be more vocal. But
in my eyes, I look at it as I leave
by how I play my examples. Now that I'm older, man,
I can say what I'm feeling, you know, and I
know how to deliver it, so guys can get the message.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And that's well wise.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Me and him would have talks because sometimes I don't
know how to say what I'm feeling other than when
I'm angry. But I can talk to him. He can
calm me down, he can give me a different perspective,
how to go about it, how to handle it, and
so yeah, man, that's just that's just who he was.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And when you have guys like Joey Jr. Imploring you
to be that leader, saying, hey, listen, we understand you
like to do it on the field, but we want
to hear you be more vocal. What has that journey
been like for you, because you are a very very
quiet guy, very very chill. But I'm sure you understand
why having a vocal leader as well on this defensive
line is very.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Important for so, I mean, it's all come with experience.
You got guys asking questions that you know, they can
ask the coach, but they'll rather ask a player who's
out there doing it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's the type of things JB do and.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He always tested my knowledge.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So he keep me on my toes about the installs
and stuff because that's some some suff I forget, you know,
So he come question me what we got on this?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay, we learn together. So that's that's all this is about.
This is a group project and we all got our
input on it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And you talk about that emotion that was around this
whole team when you do see a guy like Wise
school Dan, we've lost some other guys as well. Is
there an extra motivation? Does that galvanize you now when
you lose such an important piece to the puzzle, to say,
you know what, not only do we have to get
this done for the squad, but now we got to
get this done and find success for Wise as well.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
For so I feel like me personally from the experience
that we had we shared on the field when he
went down, that was that was what I told him. Man,
we got we got a mission to complete and we
just getting started. So every week we're gonna give it
what we've been given and give it more, getting better
and just just just trying to.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Find ways to win and get better. That's all you
can do.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And we're hoping for we win this Sunday, right when
you gots take on the Las Vegas Raiders, were back
at the crib for the second time. Man, what can
commander fans expect from not only Doing's Armstrong, but our
commander's defense.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Already know our offense is electric, fine, so when y'all
bring that energy, they go turn up in our defense,
We're gonna do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And that's just who he is.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And during this before we started this, I asked you,
I said how many years you've been to leave?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You said eight years?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Eight years?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
The average lifespan for NFL players like two to three years.
You've made it eight. That takes a level of longevity, right.
And our partners at Landsdown Resort, they like to know
that you get it on the field, but they also
want to know that you're giving yourself some downtime, that
you're relaxing. How was Doing's Armstrong spend his downtime? And
how do you manage to take care of yourself so
well to be able to play eight years in this league?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Honestly, brou It took me a while to learn that
routine too, because when I was younger, I came in
at twenty one everybody know that young your body just
feels good, and that's whatever you want to do. Whatever
you want. You don't gotta know. You think you gotta
do as much as recovery. But you get you get
four or five in, you start getting banged up. You
you know, Koltu start being mandatory. For me, that was
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that's my first one normal text. You know, always a
massage cup and still stuff like that, Like its sound
minup but it's really major and people outside the world
wouldn't know about it like that for real.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But that's that's the stuff you gotta do. Stay right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I love asking you all these questions because the answers
is always interested. And Duran Pain said, you know what
his was. Everybody else's their recovery. His with snowboarding. Do
you imagine can you imagine Duran paint on the snowboard?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Nah, but he said he shi as a picture in
the off season.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He was out there doing it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was like, I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So you ain't gonna snowboard? I would love to, but
right now, right now, now.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I'm glad brother, stay on the snowboard at least for now.
And then final question, man, we said it two sacks already,
you had five sacks last season. What is the goal?
What is the expectation that Drin's armstrong? Except for himself?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Man, I don't even want to share it.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I just want to continue to go out there and
have fun, be productive, and come out here and win games.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
My brother, that's what we love to see. Man command
his family, our next man up. He's having a hell
of a season and I know he's gonna keep going.
He came here straight from practice, my voice sweater, but
still showed us love our next man up doing song sew.
I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, sir, no problem. The man
is family for our next man up. We have a
legend that I've been waiting to talk to for a
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very very long time. Not just because he's one of
the best to ever do it in the burgerdy in Gold,
but because he has such a story to tell and
he's conquered and endured so much welcoming in two. Tom
Super Bowl champion currently holds the sack record for Washington.
Mister Dexter Manley, how you doing, sir, and.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Thanks for having me. I'm doing great, better than good,
better than most.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh Man, I love that and like I said, you
have a story to tell. You have gone through so
much in your life, in your career. I don't even
know where to start, but from the beginning. Let's start
right at the very beginning. Nineteen eighty one, the fifth
round of the NFL Draft in nineteen eighty one, the
Washington Redskins decide to draft a defensive end in Dexter Manley.
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Back then, when you think about the young Dexter Manley,
he truly know what he was up against and in
for when entering the NFL.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Not really, But I tell you at Oklahoma State, that
was a few guys that had played in the National
Football League still currently playing and I was out on
the football field getting ready for They wanted to come by,
but I was just training, and these guys to come
talk to me, and they would tell me, as a rookie,
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you want to go. I want to They told me
to go talk to the special team coach and tell
him that I wanted to play on special teams because
that's the way you're gonna make the team on special teams.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
And I did that.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
When I first got here to the rescue at Redskins Park,
I went to Wayne Severe and I told I want
to be on special teams. He put me on special
teams and in my humbleopeia, I was sensational.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And from that point on.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I started my third game, third game going into my
rookie season, I was in the start lineup and I've
been ever since.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
From that point on, it's been great.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wow, you earned your keep, And I think that's something
we talk about a lot, especially like you know, the
drafts and did we have a new season upon us?
And these young guys earning their keep and we've seen it.
It's not It's a lot easier said than done, right,
It's not always easy to humble yourself enough to be
able to say, hey, I'm willing to do whatever is
asked of me. When you look back at that rookie
year and honestly, those first few seasons in the NFL,
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was it tough for you?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Not physically, see, I'm always so everywhere I've been, I
was ahead and shoulders above my peers. That's just the
way it is. Yeah. I think the difficult part was
is getting adapt to the National Football League, all the
outside noise and the entertainment part of it. That was
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a little challenging for me because I'm a guy from Houston,
Texas a big city, but at the same time, you
get caught up in all the different activities around town.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So when you mentioned those activities around town, what about
it made it difficult for you to be able to
just focus on the football thing? Because again, somebody like
me fans watching this right now, I don't think we
can even fathom the things you were going through, especially
back in the early eighties. Can you talk about that
a little bit and what were some of those things
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that really made it tough for my young brother of
Houston to deal with?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Thank you, thanks for asking that question. Well, I remember
I was a rookie and in Washington. It's such a
strong fan base here, and I went out. A lot
of the Redskin players would go to a place called
Paul Mall. It was on m Street, right cross street
from Clydes and I went there and I had recognition.
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And I want to tell you something is that the
females will come talk to me. I would talk to them,
and it was never that way when I was in college.
But I start having some success and I would see
the females and I talked with them, and they would
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entertainment and hey and and we just had fun, had fun.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And within that fun, of course, you're young, you're experiencing
things you've never experienced before, and you're just having a
good time. You don't think you're not harming anybody in
your mind, you're just doing what your peers are doing.
When did you start to realize or feel or maybe
it never happened that maybe what you were doing wasn't
necessarily the best for what you were trying to accomplish
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on the field.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Well, my first year in the league, I really just
focus on football, football, and that was pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And I think going to my second or third.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Year had a little bit more exposure, and so a
lot of things was coming at you. You know, whether
the females coming in, you're going to pall Mall's downtown.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Uh, that was sort of a distraction.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
And I would say that it was a little difficult because,
you know, then the females coming in and I remember, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Just remember this young lady talking to me and.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
About football, and she would tell me what she saw,
and she was sort of informative about football. She knew
a little bit about football, and.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
She asked me. We just had a conversation and it
was all football.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And Dexter.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
When you go and look at that time, was it
hard to realize what you were going through in the
moment because during this time as well, Yes, you're doing
these off the field things that I don't even think
most people are aware of yet at this point. But
you're on the field and you're making plays, you're getting
those sacks, you're doing all of the things the team
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needs you to do on that field. Did that make
you feel at times like, Okay, I'm not doing nothing
wrong because the product on the field isn't hurt. Did
you go through that?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Why do I tell you this?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
You know, as an athlete, professionally, you have to get
your rest, and so when you go out on the
night life it could be difficult. But I felt that
at that point in time, I was convision. I was,
you know, my whole dream has been getting to the
National Football League, So I was definitely focused on that
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my first couple of years in the league, and.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I stayed focused.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And that's that's what you did. That's true. You did
do your absolute best, and that's why you're so revered
by this fan base. It's why I was so excited
to sit and interview you, and again thank you for
you know, being open, your candidness. Because on Next Man Up,
we like talking football, we like talking about the person
and the player. And while I was preparing for this,
I'm even talking to my producer and I directed, and
I'm like, man, I don't know where to go with
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this interview because a lot of times on Next Man Up,
we take this time to tell y'all stories, right, to
explain the things y'all are going through as men, not
just because it's interesting to the fan base, but because
you guys offer an interesting perspective that will help a
lot of people, whether athletes, young men, young women, and
the things that you all have been through and the
stories that you do, guys have to tell those people
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in so many ways. So I just want to start
with saying that, because we definitely don't want you to
talk about anything you're uncomfortable with talking about. We just
want to hear how the man overcame because we saw
the NFL player, we saw the Super Bowl champion. Eighteen
and a half sacks isn't easy, right, but I think
I wanted to do your story a service I didn't
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want to do you a disservice by only talking about football,
because again, what you've been able to overcome in your life,
that story, that journey, and I know it's something you
take pride in helping the future not only of this game,
but the future of this world. So Dexter, we really
appreciate you. And when you look back at the things
you were able to accomplish on that field, when you
look at the things you were able to accomplish as
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a Redskin, regardless of the off the field stuff you had,
eighteen and a half sacks man, eighteen and a half
sacks is still a record for Washington Man. When you
look back at your career, especially that year, eighteen and
a half sacks man, what went right in that season?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, I tay you what, Gwen right.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I was so dedicated because I had the talent, I
had the skill, and I wanted to put it to work.
I went to George Mason. I ran heels from the
day that the seasons start. Before the season start, I
was running going to George Mason three days a week,
running hills, and I put myself in a mind frame
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that I'm gonna do what's best for me and for
the Washington Redskins, and I did that. I worked on
my speed, I worked on everything, and I did it.
And that what was important to me is that all
the outside noise I never got involved with. You know,
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I wasn't going to Paul Malls anymore. I wasn't going
to I wasn't hanging out at eleven or twelve o'clock
downtown in DC. Yeah, because I knew that football was
my vehicle and I had the ability to do whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I needed to do.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And I did it, and I did it, and I
didn't get it, and I didn't get involved with anything
outside of football at that time.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And we love to hear that, and it showed and
to accomplish those kind of things when you are growing
as a man, when you are trying to figure out life,
can't do that by yourself, right, There's people in your
corner that help you along the way. And when I
think of a coach like Joe Gibbs, who was very
hands on with you, man, can you speak on you
guys's relationship and how Joe Gibbs helped a young Dexter
Manley become one of the best defensive ends in the
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history of the game.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, I tell you.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
One thing Coach Gibbs was a had a strong faith.
He didn't judge me, but he helped me in a
lot of ways. Is that I would come to his
office if we sit down and talk. He was more
like a father figure took me. I had a father,
but Joe Gibb was something spat because I trusted him.
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I believed in what he was saying, and I wanted
to do what's best for myself and for the team,
and more importantly, I wanted to make Joe Gibbs proud
that he drafted a guy from Oklahoma State in the
fifth round.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Drafted in the fifth round not an easy feat to do. Man,
You've accomplished so much too, Super Bowls again, you hold
the record for sacks for Washington. When you look back
on your career, all of these moments that you've had,
what is your favorite moment, What stands out to you
the most?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
What stands out to me the most is that we
were a team. I tell you what stand out to me.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
We went on strike, went on strike at nineteen I
think I will say eighty two, and we stuck together
and I participated. Some guys went off and did they
all thing. But I was always present because I knew
that if we've stuck together, that we will achieve. What
we wanted to do is go to the and we
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did that. I mean office players was out there running
plays and defensive players. We was over here doing our thing,
more conditioning, going through plays. And see, I tell you
something what helped me is that I had a lot
of disability and when I was at rest in high school,
when the strike going up, we was going over the
place over in the redundancy. And then I picked up
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the system because when I started as a rookie, it
was difficult because so many plays. You know, you might
have seventy five plays and you have so many different
plays that it was hard for me to assume all
of that. Because Joe Gibbs had faith in me, they
didn't put me on the bench because I made I
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did what I need to do. I made plays. And
therefar is that that boost my confidence because the coach
believed in me, and I believed in myself and my
teammates believed in me. So that was a real experience
and I just never forgotten that how that those players
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helped me along the way because like I said, I
had a learning disability. But Joe Gibbs and Richard Pettiboney
talking talkings, they say, we're gonna bitch this guy. I
made some bad play, but they were all out. They
were effort, had a lot of effort, and they kept
me in the starting lineup. Plus I can get to
the quarterback too.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And you mentioned this learning disability. And when you look
at a guy like you, especially back then right this
massive man successful across the board in his career, high
school level, college level, now the pro level. Did you
have a hard time opening up to guys like coach
give opening up to your teenmates about this learning disability?
(25:50):
I gotta imagine that is not something that's very easy
for a man to open up about and a mint to.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It was such a big secret for me because.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
As a kid, when I was in elementary school, I
was in special ed and I didn't want to be
in special ed because I felt like that I didn't
need to be a special ed. And so from that
point on, I was always embarrassing. I looked at my
shoelaces and I didn't want anyone to know that I
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had difficulties. But along the way, you know, when you
make plays, people embrace you. I forget about that. I
didn't want to keep looking at my shoe lacs. So
but I had help from some of my teammates. They'll
tell me what the plays are. I knew my responsibility
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and they didn't never give up on me. That was
a big thing.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
See.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I know a guy from Houston.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Texas my high school went first round with the mine
a dolphin. He didn't learn the place, but benched him
and Jimmy Johnson send him to the Jets and he
played a few years, but he was out of the
leaf probably within three or four years. He was a
hell of a football player at my high school. Not
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with me, but he came after me.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
And so that.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Joe Gibbs and Richard Pettitball. They knew what I had
and they wasn't gonna bench me because I wouldn't gonna
betch myself because I had to fire my belly to
keep going despite what anybody said. I had defined my
belly to keep going. That was really important to me.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And when you're going having a learning disability like this
and you're still successful on that field and you look
back at it now, there's no real reason, if you're
still winning, if you're finding the coach that looks out
for you, if everybody's embracing you, for you to say,
you know what, I want to overcome this learning disability.
I want to keep working at that. But that's something
you decided to do so much so now you help
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others with similar learning disabilities. When did you decide on
your own that, hey, okay, yes, I know that people
are accepting me for who I am, but I want
to work on this. I want to get better at this.
I want to work on this thing that has been
holding me back for so long. Did you have that
moment with yourself that made you say, you know what, Okay,
this is time for me to even work at this
even more.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Nineteen eighty six, November the eighteenth, Monday night, we was
playing the New York Giants, and I can remember standing
on that sideline and I watched Launch Telor take Joeke
Thaisman out. I knew then that if it happened, it
happened to me, and so I just felt compelled to
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come forward. First, I went to the lab School. Lab
School is for adults learning disability. See if he wasn't
for joke thaisman to go down. I would have never
confessed that I had a learning disability because I looked
at my shoelaces for a lot of years.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
But I surrendered.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I knew that if one man could overcome something, so
could I. I used to talk to famous Amos, he
had a learning to be He would call me if
he could do it, I could do it, and I did.
I went to the Lab School. I went there for years.
So I used to couldn't read the Washington Post, but
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I read the Washington Post in about three years. The
Lab school helped me get over that and I did that.
I'm able to make good decision. But at the same time,
it was a hell of a journey and I don't
never forget it because it made me a better person.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Make me a better person, and I can make better decisions.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And so what I what I did learned is that
that that if people have difficulties, can't have can't reason, Uh,
you just have to make good decisions. And I know
this for a fact, just just from going around the
country talking from getting help. Is that people that can't
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read and write, they wind up in the prison system
because there's no hope. Yeah, and so once I learned
the football plays. I felt confident that I can go
out and played my best. I could be the best
person that I meant to be.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And and and I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
It's only by grace that God allowed me to overcome
my obstacles and all of my and all of my life. Oh,
come on, I've overcome obstacles, and I'm grateful and I
never want to forget it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
God is good any all the time. Amen, Amen, Dexter.
And now that you're on the other side of it,
right because you admitted it took you a little while
to even want to admit that, hey, I need help
or I need to work on my reading, I need
to work on my writing. Now when you get to
the point where you have worked on it and you're
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seeing the benefits in real time of what that was,
did you have those feelings? And I think a lot
of people probably can relate to this where you're like,
I wish I would have spoke up sooner. I wish
I would have got helped sooner. Do you have those feelings?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I'm to say that.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yes. But the system, I'm gonna say the system from
not never to sell elementary, because that's the organized sports
in elementary, from middle school to high school to the college.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I would say that it helped me to.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Keep pressing forward because the people embraced me who was
in power.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
They could have set me back.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I thank god that they didn't set me back to
say that we can't have you here, you can't learn
the plays, you got problems.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
But those people past that.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Seeing my high school, I'm just gonna go back there
because that's where it starts.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Is that.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
See football in Texas is keen. All across this country,
it's keen. And those people embraced me even though I
went to class.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
But most of the time I was given grades. I
was given grade because I.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Was a kind of a football number one and in
the state of Texas as ourself being redundant, that those
people embraced the athletes. So uh, for that alone, it
didn't help me to face my face reality from Oklahoma State.
(33:21):
From Yanks High School to Oklahoma State pretty much the
same thing. Where have I been? But even when I
went to Washington, I had to learn the place. See
the coaching staff. We used to go on the field
before practice and to go walk through redundancy. Redundancy, and
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that's what I like about Joe. He understood that I
had difficultes, but they compassated. They said, we're gonna go
on the field before practice. We get out there, we
go through all the plays, hover and over and over
and over. And I made at that time my second
third year, I picked up all the places I could
play fast.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I ain't got to be thinking about what's my responsibility.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
You talk about this journey and you're on the back
end of it, right, It's really easy to reflect on
the journey when you're on the back end of it
and you talk about how grateful you are for all
the things you had went through. So I do have
to ask you, is there anything that Dexhamney would change
about his NFL career?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Or absolutely, I would change my decision making. You know, I.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Wouldn't want to go down to Pall Mall all the
time and have some young female say hey, let's do
this here, let's do that.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, because I grew up in the hood.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Man, I grew up in the hood, and I've seen
a lot of stuff, but I stayed away from that.
And now you got females coming at you, you know,
saying hey, let's have I wasn't even drinking would go
on to Paul Ma until my second third year.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I never had a drink. I wasn't smoking nothing.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
See when I was at Oklahoma State, those guys were
smoking marijuana. They can't tell you the dexter man was
in that room smoking marijuana with them. Jimmy Johnson can
tell you that when he came there, he ran seventeen
guys off. And so I'm on theother end now. I'm
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grateful that I drew the line in the sand and
I haven't looked back. I'm coming up on twenty years
cleaning sober.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
I can read and write today. Amen, I can rationalize all.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
That kind of good stuff. And I didn't do it
by myself.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I had help, had a good wife, the Lave school
help me because I want to help myself and Dexa.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's why these testimonies are just so important, because there's
men in real time dealing with what you had to
deal with back then. And now things are even more different, right,
there's even more temptation. These teenagers are getting millions of
dollars thrown at them before they even make it into
the pro So we appreciate you so much, and I
think it's very important. Like you said, you're on the
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back end of it. You're twenty years sober man. What
a blessing that is. Because I told this to Chris
Baker a few years ago. We could be talking about
you and not with you, And to me, I think
it's just such an honor and a blessing to be
able to be talking to somebody like you, not just
because again you're the best to ever do it, but
because you're able to help so many other people not
have to go through some of those trials and tribulations
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you went through, because, like you said, there is young
men today that have those kind of temptations that are
from a small town from a big town and are
getting opportunities and looks that they've never gotten before. And
I know you take pride in helping the future of
this game. Can you talk about that a little bit
and how you've been able to help younger generations of
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athletes and just regular everyday people be able to get
past some of those things you've already overcome.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say that
sober is alcohol.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Getting clean is another kind of it's chemical drugs.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
So when you.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Say sober, that's different than that's aa. Being sober na
is clean time. So I'm saying that the twenty years
I got is clean, not being sober, because I wasn't
an alcoholic. I wasn't drinking. So what I'm saying to
the young people is that you have to make your
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mind up, look in the mirror at yourself, and decide
what you want.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Out of life. But it ain't easy.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Since he said, I had a praying grandmother who prayed
for me and I and so because of that, I
had to have some faith in me. So I came
from the hood. Man, I don't want to go back
to the hood, because that's what that was gonna take me.
I had to set up in the mud. That's what
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I'm telling people. Hey, you gotta face yourself faci reality.
I go on and on about that, but I'm not
in the meeting room today.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Actually, let me tell you that I could sit in
here you talk about this all day, because again, it's
one thing to have trials and tribulations. It's another thing
to be able to overcome it, not only overcome it,
but be able to speak about it and help others
with it. And again, it's just so impressive knowing what
you were able to accomplish on that field with all
other different things that the human being Dexter manly was
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dealing with. When you look back at your Washington career right,
which I was talking about the field now, right, because
at the end of the day, that doesn't go anywhere.
No matter any tribulation you've been through, any issue you've had,
they can't ever take what you did, rocking that burgundy
and gold on the field. Nobody could take that from you.
Nobody could take your name out the record books. That's
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in there for life. Right, You're gonna always be heralded
in Washington. When Dexter Manny looks back at his career
on the field, how does he want to be remembered
by his peers.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
That's a good question. Well, I can just tell you
it's here. I don't never doubt myself. I was a
I'm gonna use the word I was a great football playoff.
I could do it at all. I could get to
the quarterback down. Hey, listen, I can run a quarterback down.
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I could do whatever I wanted to do as long
as I was in the right frame of mind, that
had the support behind me. The Dexter Melly couldn't do
on a football field nothing and I.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Stand on that, amen, And there's nothing the man Dexter
Manley can't do today right now. And I think the
proof is in the putting everything you've accomplished, everything you've
been through, everything you've overcame, and you're still here to
talk about it today. Man, I'm just so honored to
speak with you. There's so many layers to the man
that is Dexter Manley, and I just appreciate your candidness
and your openness because I know these conversations, especially to
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me and you are just meeting. These conversations are never easy.
But I'm telling you there are so many people I'm
sure they'll let us know in the comments that need
these testimonies, that need to hear these stories, but also
just want to hear from Dexter Manley and know that
you're doing okay. And I can tell by looking at
you you're doing better than okay. And God is good.
So it's just so great to see you, Dex and
I appreciate you taking.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
The time and thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
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Speaker 1 (41:43):
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I mean, you know, I was in Dallas for the
whole time, and they you know, they.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Are where they are but better.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah you doing, brother, man, solid brother. It's good to
see you. Man. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We were just talking off and we was like the
last time I think me and you got to really wrap.
You had just signed here. So much has changed since then, man,
So much.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Can happen in a year. Can you just talk about what.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This last year has been like since you joined the Berguniar.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Go man, There's been nothing but growth on the field
and off the field. It was a new place for me,
new people, so just happened to maneuver on my way.
This's my first time really almost living out of Texas
other than college, so coming up here is completely different.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So, man, just just a lot of growth.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Man, me and you both actually moved here from Texas
around kind of the same time. I think I got
here a year before you, and it's different. The DMV
is very different. But I don't know if I've ever
seen a community or fan base that truly loves their
team like here. Have you ever witnessed anything like that?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I mean, you know, I was in Dallas for the
whole time, and they you know, they are here. They
are but better, Yeah, for sure, one hundred percent. Man
coming out on game day and just just feeling that
energy and.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
They bring it every week.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The weather be perfect too, so it's like we're getting
the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So I'm loving it right now.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean clearly you loving it, and it's showing on
the field.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Before we even got to the season, we heard a
lot from our defensive coordinator, Joe with Junior on you.
He said, you're a complete player. When you hear things
like that, What does that mean to you? Because he
described it his words, But what does it mean to
you when you hear You'll Devens coordinator say during S
Armstrong is a complete player.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I appreciate the man. I worked so hard.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Man, I've been playing football since I was four years
old and didn't even like really know I was gonna
be this, be this who I am or make it
just far. But at each of it, I just continue
to be a student of the game. And even when
I got here. I'm year eight now, but my first
three years I wasn't really on the field like that.
I was sitting behind guys I was watching in the
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league as I was a kid, you know, just taking
all that in. So to this day, I still I
think those guys and they probably don't even know it,
but I learned so much from guys that I was
a fan of as a kid, and now I'm pint
that to my game. I feel like that's I owe
that to them because it means so much to me
that it was those guys that didn't even know who
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I was as a kid looking up watching them being
productive in the league, making the name for theirself, and
then over the years I get to learn from them
how they did it and get a chance to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Remember when we first met, sat like this and talked.
You said you just needed an opportunity. And I'm gonna
give my boy some help real quick because he is sweating,
wipe in the face, my man, straight out of practice. Yo,
came right here, straight out of practice, got more practice
to do. Like that's how dope this is that they
sit here, take the time. So you good sweating my boy.
But you said you just need an opportunity. You said
you needed a place that was going to allow you
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to do your things. Like you said, you sat behind
some dogs right here, were just waiting for your chance.
Now you had that opportunity. Now you've gotten it. Now
you're the man on this defensive line. What has that
opportunity done for doings on show?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It allowed me to show what I can do and
be more productive. And last year was my first year here.
I was getting a feel for the guys, the new team,
the new surroundings and all that. But now second year,
and I'm a lot more comfortable, a lot more aware
of what's going on. So I'm just able to play
a lot more freely.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And that show's on the field.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Two sacks already, you had five in total last year.
What's going right for you so far?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We're only heading into week three, But what's been going
right for you so far?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Everything br the film study, my coaches, the work from
the offseason, just just literally putting everything together.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I feel like each year it was something that I
was learning, like steps of how to do, how to
master one thing. And now that I'm your a, I've
I feel like I've mastered a lot of those things.
Now it's literally cooking in the pot.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And y, I think you bring an interesting perspective because
much like your experience with Dan Quinn, you also have
an experience with Joe with Junior. He was the secondary's
coach when you were on the defense in uh Dallas.
Now he's a defensive coordinator. You've got to see him
grow along with you. What has it been like playing
under Joe Witt Junior? A defensive coordinator who has done
so much and accomplished so much in his coach coaching.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Career, for sure, And he's a guy who believe in
in Russian covering and and when you literally have guys
who's covering and Russian, the game goes our way, sacks, turnovers, pigs,
pick sixes, and then you just see how much fun
we having and so when that stuff is presented in
the meetings, it sound good and and make you feel good.
So now we go out there practically entered and make
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that stuff happen. And that's the type of impact he has.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I don't know if you know this, but you
know we do our research here and PFF has you
with eleven QB hurries this season. That's fifth in the NFL.
Not fifth on the team, that's fifth in the NFL.
When you look around you, because this defensive line is
a new little defensive line. You got a lot of
new guys on there. How is this working so well?
Not only just for you before that entire defensive line,
because we're seeing a bunch of guys being able to
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show up for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
We got that confidence in each other. We know that
everybody can play in any position. And the work, the
study that we put in together on and off the field.
On Sunday, we just come to cut it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Loose and we lost a key member of our defensive
line in districts. Wise, Man, this is a gentle giant,
if you will, one of the nicest guys.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
What was that like? What was your conversations been like
with Wise? Because we've all been there right where. We
got to overcome this hurdle.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
We got to.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Overcome an obstacle. This is a big obstacle for him.
Have you've been able to talk to him? What has
that been like being there for him?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I know him on the whole another personal level. So
immediately when it happened, it was it was heartbreaking for me.
But he he had his surgery. I shot him text
message he.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Probably not gonna want to want me to share this,
but it was.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It was so impactful for me. After the game, on
the ride back, you know, he flew back with us
and setting down chopping up with him, he was in
a little bit of a better spirit than he was
when it happened. But as he was talking, he just
broke down. Like he was laughing, talking and med combo.
He just broke down and like, I just remember the
stuff that I could hear him saying on the field.
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And so I know how much this meant to him,
and and I know how much he meant to the
building because every day he come in, he's probably the
first person in here energy level on a thousand, even
if you're just walking in the building. He got jokes,
he want to make you smile, laugh all that. So
now that that's that's going, the room was a little different,
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the build is completely different. But he's for sure. I
always remember and you can definitely feel that his president
isn't here no more.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I remember talking to guys like coach Sharief and he'll
say a guy like, why is it somebody we gotta
tell to relax a little bit, like he's always doing
so much, like we want him to be able to
preserve that. But I gotta imagine that affects somebody like you.
Right like Wise is won the Super Bowls. He's been
in the league a little longer than you. What have
you been able to learn not only from Wise, but
playing next to guys like Daran Pain, being able to
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be a leader, to a guy like Johnny Newton, even
a guy like Jean Baptiste for the seventh round pick.
I gotta imagine all of you guys are helping each
other grow in different ways.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
For me, I think it's always been a challenge to
be more vocal all my life. People was telling me
that you're a leader, you can be more vocal. But
in my eyes, I look at it as I leave
by how I play my examples. Now that I'm older, man,
I can say what I'm feeling, you know, and I
know how to deliver it, so guys can get the message.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And that's well wise.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Me and him would have talks because sometimes I don't
know how to say what I'm feeling other than when
I'm angry. But I can talk to him. He can
calm me down, he can give me a different perspective,
how to go about it, how to handle it, and
so yeah, man, that's just that's just who he was.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And when you have guys like Joey Jr. Imploring you
to be that leader, saying, hey, listen, we understand you
like to do it on the field, but we want
to hear you be more vocal. What has that journey
been like for you, because you are a very very
quiet guy, very very chill. But I'm sure you understand
why having a vocal leader as well on this defensive
line is very.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Important for so, I mean, it's all come with experience.
You got guys asking questions that you know, they can
ask the coach, but they'll rather ask a player who's
out there doing it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's the type of things JB do and.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He always tested my knowledge.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So he keep me on my toes about the installs
and stuff because that's some some suff I forget, you know,
So he come question me what we got on this?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay, we learn together. So that's that's all this is about.
This is a group project and we all got our
input on it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And you talk about that emotion that was around this
whole team when you do see a guy like Wise
school Dan, we've lost some other guys as well. Is
there an extra motivation? Does that galvanize you now when
you lose such an important piece to the puzzle, to say,
you know what, not only do we have to get
this done for the squad, but now we got to
get this done and find success for Wise as well.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
For so I feel like me personally from the experience
that we had we shared on the field when he
went down, that was that was what I told him. Man,
we got we got a mission to complete and we
just getting started. So every week we're gonna give it
what we've been given and give it more, getting better
and just just just trying to.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Find ways to win and get better. That's all you
can do.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And we're hoping for we win this Sunday, right when
you gots take on the Las Vegas Raiders, were back
at the crib for the second time. Man, what can
commander fans expect from not only Doing's Armstrong, but our
commander's defense.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Already know our offense is electric, fine, so when y'all
bring that energy, they go turn up in our defense,
We're gonna do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And that's just who he is.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And during this before we started this, I asked you,
I said how many years you've been to leave?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You said eight years?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Eight years?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
The average lifespan for NFL players like two to three years.
You've made it eight. That takes a level of longevity, right.
And our partners at Landsdown Resort, they like to know
that you get it on the field, but they also
want to know that you're giving yourself some downtime, that
you're relaxing. How was Doing's Armstrong spend his downtime? And
how do you manage to take care of yourself so
well to be able to play eight years in this league?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Honestly, brou It took me a while to learn that
routine too, because when I was younger, I came in
at twenty one everybody know that young your body just
feels good, and that's whatever you want to do. Whatever
you want. You don't gotta know. You think you gotta
do as much as recovery. But you get you get
four or five in, you start getting banged up. You
you know, Koltu start being mandatory. For me, that was
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that's my first one normal text. You know, always a
massage cup and still stuff like that, Like its sound
minup but it's really major and people outside the world
wouldn't know about it like that for real.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But that's that's the stuff you gotta do. Stay right.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I love asking you all these questions because the answers
is always interested. And Duran Pain said, you know what
his was. Everybody else's their recovery. His with snowboarding. Do
you imagine can you imagine Duran paint on the snowboard?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Nah, but he said he shi as a picture in
the off season.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He was out there doing it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I was like, I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So you ain't gonna snowboard? I would love to, but
right now, right now, now.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I'm glad brother, stay on the snowboard at least for now.
And then final question, man, we said it two sacks already,
you had five sacks last season. What is the goal?
What is the expectation that Drin's armstrong? Except for himself?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Man, I don't even want to share it.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I just want to continue to go out there and
have fun, be productive, and come out here and win games.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
My brother, that's what we love to see. Man command
his family, our next man up. He's having a hell
of a season and I know he's gonna keep going.
He came here straight from practice, my voice sweater, but
still showed us love our next man up doing song sew.
I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, sir, no problem. The man
is family for our next man up. We have a
legend that I've been waiting to talk to for a
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very very long time. Not just because he's one of
the best to ever do it in the burgerdy in Gold,
but because he has such a story to tell and
he's conquered and endured so much welcoming in two. Tom
Super Bowl champion currently holds the sack record for Washington.
Mister Dexter Manley, how you doing, sir, and.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Thanks for having me. I'm doing great, better than good,
better than most.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh Man, I love that and like I said, you
have a story to tell. You have gone through so
much in your life, in your career. I don't even
know where to start, but from the beginning. Let's start
right at the very beginning. Nineteen eighty one, the fifth
round of the NFL Draft in nineteen eighty one, the
Washington Redskins decide to draft a defensive end in Dexter Manley.
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Back then, when you think about the young Dexter Manley,
he truly know what he was up against and in
for when entering the NFL.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Not really, But I tell you at Oklahoma State, that
was a few guys that had played in the National
Football League still currently playing and I was out on
the football field getting ready for They wanted to come by,
but I was just training, and these guys to come
talk to me, and they would tell me, as a rookie,
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you want to go. I want to They told me
to go talk to the special team coach and tell
him that I wanted to play on special teams because
that's the way you're gonna make the team on special teams.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
And I did that.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
When I first got here to the rescue at Redskins Park,
I went to Wayne Severe and I told I want
to be on special teams. He put me on special
teams and in my humbleopeia, I was sensational.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And from that point on.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I started my third game, third game going into my
rookie season, I was in the start lineup and I've
been ever since.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
From that point on, it's been great.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wow, you earned your keep, And I think that's something
we talk about a lot, especially like you know, the
drafts and did we have a new season upon us?
And these young guys earning their keep and we've seen it.
It's not It's a lot easier said than done, right,
It's not always easy to humble yourself enough to be
able to say, hey, I'm willing to do whatever is
asked of me. When you look back at that rookie
year and honestly, those first few seasons in the NFL,
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was it tough for you?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Not physically, see, I'm always so everywhere I've been, I
was ahead and shoulders above my peers. That's just the
way it is. Yeah. I think the difficult part was
is getting adapt to the National Football League, all the
outside noise and the entertainment part of it. That was
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a little challenging for me because I'm a guy from Houston,
Texas a big city, but at the same time, you
get caught up in all the different activities around town.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So when you mentioned those activities around town, what about
it made it difficult for you to be able to
just focus on the football thing? Because again, somebody like
me fans watching this right now, I don't think we
can even fathom the things you were going through, especially
back in the early eighties. Can you talk about that
a little bit and what were some of those things
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that really made it tough for my young brother of
Houston to deal with?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Thank you, thanks for asking that question. Well, I remember
I was a rookie and in Washington. It's such a
strong fan base here, and I went out. A lot
of the Redskin players would go to a place called
Paul Mall. It was on m Street, right cross street
from Clydes and I went there and I had recognition.
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And I want to tell you something is that the
females will come talk to me. I would talk to them,
and it was never that way when I was in college.
But I start having some success and I would see
the females and I talked with them, and they would
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entertainment and hey and and we just had fun, had fun.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
And within that fun, of course, you're young, you're experiencing
things you've never experienced before, and you're just having a
good time. You don't think you're not harming anybody in
your mind, you're just doing what your peers are doing.
When did you start to realize or feel or maybe
it never happened that maybe what you were doing wasn't
necessarily the best for what you were trying to accomplish
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on the field.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Well, my first year in the league, I really just
focus on football, football, and that was pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And I think going to my second or third.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Year had a little bit more exposure, and so a
lot of things was coming at you. You know, whether
the females coming in, you're going to pall Mall's downtown.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Uh, that was sort of a distraction.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
And I would say that it was a little difficult because,
you know, then the females coming in and I remember, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Just remember this young lady talking to me and.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
About football, and she would tell me what she saw,
and she was sort of informative about football. She knew
a little bit about football, and.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
She asked me. We just had a conversation and it
was all football.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
And Dexter.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
When you go and look at that time, was it
hard to realize what you were going through in the
moment because during this time as well, Yes, you're doing
these off the field things that I don't even think
most people are aware of yet at this point. But
you're on the field and you're making plays, you're getting
those sacks, you're doing all of the things the team
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needs you to do on that field. Did that make
you feel at times like, Okay, I'm not doing nothing
wrong because the product on the field isn't hurt. Did
you go through that?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Why do I tell you this?
Speaker 5 (18:47):
You know, as an athlete, professionally, you have to get
your rest, and so when you go out on the
night life it could be difficult. But I felt that
at that point in time, I was convision. I was,
you know, my whole dream has been getting to the
National Football League, So I was definitely focused on that
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my first couple of years in the league, and.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I stayed focused.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
And that's that's what you did. That's true. You did
do your absolute best, and that's why you're so revered
by this fan base. It's why I was so excited
to sit and interview you, and again thank you for
you know, being open, your candidness. Because on Next Man Up,
we like talking football, we like talking about the person
and the player. And while I was preparing for this,
I'm even talking to my producer and I directed, and
I'm like, man, I don't know where to go with
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this interview because a lot of times on Next Man Up,
we take this time to tell y'all stories, right, to
explain the things y'all are going through as men, not
just because it's interesting to the fan base, but because
you guys offer an interesting perspective that will help a
lot of people, whether athletes, young men, young women, and
the things that you all have been through and the
stories that you do, guys have to tell those people
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in so many ways. So I just want to start
with saying that, because we definitely don't want you to
talk about anything you're uncomfortable with talking about. We just
want to hear how the man overcame because we saw
the NFL player, we saw the Super Bowl champion. Eighteen
and a half sacks isn't easy, right, but I think
I wanted to do your story a service I didn't
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want to do you a disservice by only talking about football,
because again, what you've been able to overcome in your life,
that story, that journey, and I know it's something you
take pride in helping the future not only of this game,
but the future of this world. So Dexter, we really
appreciate you. And when you look back at the things
you were able to accomplish on that field, when you
look at the things you were able to accomplish as
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a Redskin, regardless of the off the field stuff you had,
eighteen and a half sacks man, eighteen and a half
sacks is still a record for Washington Man. When you
look back at your career, especially that year, eighteen and
a half sacks man, what went right in that season?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, I tay you what, Gwen right.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
I was so dedicated because I had the talent, I
had the skill, and I wanted to put it to work.
I went to George Mason. I ran heels from the
day that the seasons start. Before the season start, I
was running going to George Mason three days a week,
running hills, and I put myself in a mind frame
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that I'm gonna do what's best for me and for
the Washington Redskins, and I did that. I worked on
my speed, I worked on everything, and I did it.
And that what was important to me is that all
the outside noise I never got involved with. You know,
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I wasn't going to Paul Malls anymore. I wasn't going
to I wasn't hanging out at eleven or twelve o'clock
downtown in DC. Yeah, because I knew that football was
my vehicle and I had the ability to do whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I needed to do.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And I did it, and I did it, and I
didn't get it, and I didn't get involved with anything
outside of football at that time.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And we love to hear that, and it showed and
to accomplish those kind of things when you are growing
as a man, when you are trying to figure out life,
can't do that by yourself, right, There's people in your
corner that help you along the way. And when I
think of a coach like Joe Gibbs, who was very
hands on with you, man, can you speak on you
guys's relationship and how Joe Gibbs helped a young Dexter
Manley become one of the best defensive ends in the
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history of the game.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, I tell you.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
One thing Coach Gibbs was a had a strong faith.
He didn't judge me, but he helped me in a
lot of ways. Is that I would come to his
office if we sit down and talk. He was more
like a father figure took me. I had a father,
but Joe Gibb was something spat because I trusted him.
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I believed in what he was saying, and I wanted
to do what's best for myself and for the team,
and more importantly, I wanted to make Joe Gibbs proud
that he drafted a guy from Oklahoma State in the
fifth round.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Drafted in the fifth round not an easy feat to do. Man,
You've accomplished so much too, Super Bowls again, you hold
the record for sacks for Washington. When you look back
on your career, all of these moments that you've had,
what is your favorite moment, What stands out to you
the most?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
What stands out to me the most is that we
were a team. I tell you what stand out to me.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
We went on strike, went on strike at nineteen I
think I will say eighty two, and we stuck together
and I participated. Some guys went off and did they
all thing. But I was always present because I knew
that if we've stuck together, that we will achieve. What
we wanted to do is go to the and we
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did that. I mean office players was out there running
plays and defensive players. We was over here doing our thing,
more conditioning, going through plays. And see, I tell you
something what helped me is that I had a lot
of disability and when I was at rest in high school,
when the strike going up, we was going over the
place over in the redundancy. And then I picked up
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the system because when I started as a rookie, it
was difficult because so many plays. You know, you might
have seventy five plays and you have so many different
plays that it was hard for me to assume all
of that. Because Joe Gibbs had faith in me, they
didn't put me on the bench because I made I
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did what I need to do. I made plays. And
therefar is that that boost my confidence because the coach
believed in me, and I believed in myself and my
teammates believed in me. So that was a real experience
and I just never forgotten that how that those players
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helped me along the way because like I said, I
had a learning disability. But Joe Gibbs and Richard Pettiboney
talking talkings, they say, we're gonna bitch this guy. I
made some bad play, but they were all out. They
were effort, had a lot of effort, and they kept
me in the starting lineup. Plus I can get to
the quarterback too.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And you mentioned this learning disability. And when you look
at a guy like you, especially back then right this
massive man successful across the board in his career, high
school level, college level, now the pro level. Did you
have a hard time opening up to guys like coach
give opening up to your teenmates about this learning disability?
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I gotta imagine that is not something that's very easy
for a man to open up about and a mint to.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It was such a big secret for me because.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
As a kid, when I was in elementary school, I
was in special ed and I didn't want to be
in special ed because I felt like that I didn't
need to be a special ed. And so from that
point on, I was always embarrassing. I looked at my
shoelaces and I didn't want anyone to know that I
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had difficulties. But along the way, you know, when you
make plays, people embrace you. I forget about that. I
didn't want to keep looking at my shoe lacs. So
but I had help from some of my teammates. They'll
tell me what the plays are. I knew my responsibility
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and they didn't never give up on me. That was
a big thing.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
See.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I know a guy from Houston.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Texas my high school went first round with the mine
a dolphin. He didn't learn the place, but benched him
and Jimmy Johnson send him to the Jets and he
played a few years, but he was out of the
leaf probably within three or four years. He was a
hell of a football player at my high school. Not
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with me, but he came after me.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
And so that.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Joe Gibbs and Richard Pettitball. They knew what I had
and they wasn't gonna bench me because I wouldn't gonna
betch myself because I had to fire my belly to
keep going despite what anybody said. I had defined my
belly to keep going. That was really important to me.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And when you're going having a learning disability like this
and you're still successful on that field and you look
back at it now, there's no real reason, if you're
still winning, if you're finding the coach that looks out
for you, if everybody's embracing you, for you to say,
you know what, I want to overcome this learning disability.
I want to keep working at that. But that's something
you decided to do so much so now you help
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others with similar learning disabilities. When did you decide on
your own that, hey, okay, yes, I know that people
are accepting me for who I am, but I want
to work on this. I want to get better at this.
I want to work on this thing that has been
holding me back for so long. Did you have that
moment with yourself that made you say, you know what, Okay,
this is time for me to even work at this
even more.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Nineteen eighty six, November the eighteenth, Monday night, we was
playing the New York Giants, and I can remember standing
on that sideline and I watched Launch Telor take Joeke
Thaisman out. I knew then that if it happened, it
happened to me, and so I just felt compelled to
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come forward. First, I went to the lab School. Lab
School is for adults learning disability. See if he wasn't
for joke thaisman to go down. I would have never
confessed that I had a learning disability because I looked
at my shoelaces for a lot of years.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
But I surrendered.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
I knew that if one man could overcome something, so
could I. I used to talk to famous Amos, he
had a learning to be He would call me if
he could do it, I could do it, and I did.
I went to the Lab School. I went there for years.
So I used to couldn't read the Washington Post, but
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I read the Washington Post in about three years. The
Lab school helped me get over that and I did that.
I'm able to make good decision. But at the same time,
it was a hell of a journey and I don't
never forget it because it made me a better person.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Make me a better person, and I can make better decisions.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And so what I what I did learned is that
that that if people have difficulties, can't have can't reason, Uh,
you just have to make good decisions. And I know
this for a fact, just just from going around the
country talking from getting help. Is that people that can't
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read and write, they wind up in the prison system
because there's no hope. Yeah, and so once I learned
the football plays. I felt confident that I can go
out and played my best. I could be the best
person that I meant to be.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And and and I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
It's only by grace that God allowed me to overcome
my obstacles and all of my and all of my life. Oh,
come on, I've overcome obstacles, and I'm grateful and I
never want to forget it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
God is good any all the time. Amen, Amen, Dexter.
And now that you're on the other side of it,
right because you admitted it took you a little while
to even want to admit that, hey, I need help
or I need to work on my reading, I need
to work on my writing. Now when you get to
the point where you have worked on it and you're
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seeing the benefits in real time of what that was,
did you have those feelings? And I think a lot
of people probably can relate to this where you're like,
I wish I would have spoke up sooner. I wish
I would have got helped sooner. Do you have those feelings?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I'm to say that.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yes. But the system, I'm gonna say the system from
not never to sell elementary, because that's the organized sports
in elementary, from middle school to high school to the college.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I would say that it helped me to.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Keep pressing forward because the people embraced me who was
in power.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
They could have set me back.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I thank god that they didn't set me back to
say that we can't have you here, you can't learn
the plays, you got problems.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
But those people past that.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Seeing my high school, I'm just gonna go back there
because that's where it starts.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Is that.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
See football in Texas is keen. All across this country,
it's keen. And those people embraced me even though I
went to class.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
But most of the time I was given grades. I
was given grade because I.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Was a kind of a football number one and in
the state of Texas as ourself being redundant, that those
people embraced the athletes. So uh, for that alone, it
didn't help me to face my face reality from Oklahoma State.
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From Yanks High School to Oklahoma State pretty much the
same thing. Where have I been? But even when I
went to Washington, I had to learn the place. See
the coaching staff. We used to go on the field
before practice and to go walk through redundancy. Redundancy, and
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that's what I like about Joe. He understood that I
had difficultes, but they compassated. They said, we're gonna go
on the field before practice. We get out there, we
go through all the plays, hover and over and over
and over. And I made at that time my second
third year, I picked up all the places I could
play fast.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I ain't got to be thinking about what's my responsibility.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
You talk about this journey and you're on the back
end of it, right, It's really easy to reflect on
the journey when you're on the back end of it
and you talk about how grateful you are for all
the things you had went through. So I do have
to ask you, is there anything that Dexhamney would change
about his NFL career?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Or absolutely, I would change my decision making. You know, I.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Wouldn't want to go down to Pall Mall all the
time and have some young female say hey, let's do
this here, let's do that.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, because I grew up in the hood.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Man, I grew up in the hood, and I've seen
a lot of stuff, but I stayed away from that.
And now you got females coming at you, you know,
saying hey, let's have I wasn't even drinking would go
on to Paul Ma until my second third year.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I never had a drink. I wasn't smoking nothing.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
See when I was at Oklahoma State, those guys were
smoking marijuana. They can't tell you the dexter man was
in that room smoking marijuana with them. Jimmy Johnson can
tell you that when he came there, he ran seventeen
guys off. And so I'm on theother end now. I'm
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grateful that I drew the line in the sand and
I haven't looked back. I'm coming up on twenty years
cleaning sober.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Amen.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
I can read and write today. Amen, I can rationalize all.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
That kind of good stuff. And I didn't do it
by myself.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I had help, had a good wife, the Lave school
help me because I want to help myself and Dexa.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's why these testimonies are just so important, because there's
men in real time dealing with what you had to
deal with back then. And now things are even more different, right,
there's even more temptation. These teenagers are getting millions of
dollars thrown at them before they even make it into
the pro So we appreciate you so much, and I
think it's very important. Like you said, you're on the
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back end of it. You're twenty years sober man. What
a blessing that is. Because I told this to Chris
Baker a few years ago. We could be talking about
you and not with you, And to me, I think
it's just such an honor and a blessing to be
able to be talking to somebody like you, not just
because again you're the best to ever do it, but
because you're able to help so many other people not
have to go through some of those trials and tribulations
(36:49):
you went through, because, like you said, there is young
men today that have those kind of temptations that are
from a small town from a big town and are
getting opportunities and looks that they've never gotten before. And
I know you take pride in helping the future of
this game. Can you talk about that a little bit
and how you've been able to help younger generations of
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athletes and just regular everyday people be able to get
past some of those things you've already overcome.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say that
sober is alcohol.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Getting clean is another kind of it's chemical drugs.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
So when you.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Say sober, that's different than that's aa. Being sober na
is clean time. So I'm saying that the twenty years
I got is clean, not being sober, because I wasn't
an alcoholic. I wasn't drinking. So what I'm saying to
the young people is that you have to make your
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mind up, look in the mirror at yourself, and decide
what you want.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Out of life. But it ain't easy.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Since he said, I had a praying grandmother who prayed
for me and I and so because of that, I
had to have some faith in me. So I came
from the hood. Man, I don't want to go back
to the hood, because that's what that was gonna take me.
I had to set up in the mud. That's what
(38:20):
I'm telling people. Hey, you gotta face yourself faci reality.
I go on and on about that, but I'm not
in the meeting room today.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Actually, let me tell you that I could sit in
here you talk about this all day, because again, it's
one thing to have trials and tribulations. It's another thing
to be able to overcome it, not only overcome it,
but be able to speak about it and help others
with it. And again, it's just so impressive knowing what
you were able to accomplish on that field with all
other different things that the human being Dexter manly was
(38:55):
dealing with. When you look back at your Washington career right,
which I was talking about the field now, right, because
at the end of the day, that doesn't go anywhere.
No matter any tribulation you've been through, any issue you've had,
they can't ever take what you did, rocking that burgundy
and gold on the field. Nobody could take that from you.
Nobody could take your name out the record books. That's
(39:16):
in there for life. Right, You're gonna always be heralded
in Washington. When Dexter Manny looks back at his career
on the field, how does he want to be remembered
by his peers.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
That's a good question. Well, I can just tell you
it's here. I don't never doubt myself. I was a
I'm gonna use the word I was a great football playoff.
I could do it at all. I could get to
the quarterback down. Hey, listen, I can run a quarterback down.
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I could do whatever I wanted to do as long
as I was in the right frame of mind, that
had the support behind me. The Dexter Melly couldn't do
on a football field nothing and I.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Stand on that, amen, And there's nothing the man Dexter
Manley can't do today right now. And I think the
proof is in the putting everything you've accomplished, everything you've
been through, everything you've overcame, and you're still here to
talk about it today. Man, I'm just so honored to
speak with you. There's so many layers to the man
that is Dexter Manley, and I just appreciate your candidness
and your openness because I know these conversations, especially to
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me and you are just meeting. These conversations are never easy.
But I'm telling you there are so many people I'm
sure they'll let us know in the comments that need
these testimonies, that need to hear these stories, but also
just want to hear from Dexter Manley and know that
you're doing okay. And I can tell by looking at
you you're doing better than okay. And God is good.
So it's just so great to see you, Dex and
I appreciate you taking.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
The time and thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yes, sir, the first comittee right, you got it comand
is family. Our next man up Washington legend has a
true story to tell. Reach out to him and give
him his love, because we are lucky that the brother
still here with us. Our Next Man Up next to Manley.
Thank you, sir, thanks for having me command this family.
We hope you enjoyed this episode of Next Man Up.
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see y'all next week.
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