LIVE SHOW!!! The Muni | August 22 | 8PM The crew reacts to the Washington Commanders first preseason matchup in up New England. Logan recalls his playing days with Dan Quinn and gives an inside view on how DQ will respond to the loss. Then, the guys discuss their playing days and the smallest things can be the difference in being a stud or a dud in the NFL. Next, they breakdown the scrimmage in camp and how the team is getting creative to hype up competition while maintaining a focus on getting better. Finally, it's fantasy football season the the crew shares their thoughts on some deep sleepers to key in your leagues draft. Get Your Commanders Tickets Here: https://bit.ly/3SpwKU3 Hosts: Logan Paulsen, Santana Moss, Fred Smoot Producer: Jason Johnson The views and opinions expressed by our analysts and/or hosts are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the Washington Commanders or any of their representatives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's episode of Command Center Podcast, you.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Have the Gay Break apologart gapology.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
We talked about what dan Quinn said I was going
to fix some of these problems and how he's already
started fixing them. We had the scrimmage that was a
lot of fun to work.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
It was.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It was great, great energy talk about we saw there.
And then it is the season. It's fantasy football season.
We got sleepers and studs. It all starts right now.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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People interested in the show. Yeah, all right, so now
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Speaker 4 (03:57):
We have to keep ark up poser.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, messages a lot of panic in about I don't
believe we didn't dress thirty people and got beat like that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Let me tell you something. Two coaches, two different approaches.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
One coach is laying the foundation of a new coaching regime,
like Mike Rabel wants to win every game that that
team plays, no matter.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
If it's preseason scrimmage a regular game.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I stop me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But also like I don't think you want to lose
the No one wants to lose you just but like
the one that Tom Brady's getting the statue at, Like
like you.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Know you got a twelve foot statue.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, Like you don't want to come out and have
Tom Brady though maybe the most decorated quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Time and come out and just lay an egg.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah in preseason.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
No, it meant, like I said, different approaches, but two
different coaches. Now the coach likes seeing what happened. No,
coach Clinn did not like seeing what happened. But also
he understands the true overall picture of everything.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, everybody has the same objective.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I think when it comes to these preseason games, you
want to get some good work in, but you want
to win. Everybody wants to win, but it's not a
big infas of trying to do so by putting guys
in there that you don't want to see at that moment.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So, you know, if we're going to play with our
fourth screen, third screen, and second string, if.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
We can't be productive, then we have to get back
to the drawing board the next week and try to
pull a little more out of them. But I'm not
going to go to the you know, go all out
just for a preseason game unless it's the game that
I know that I want to address rehears. So, yeah,
you know, you play your.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Veman then you know you guys know I coach high
school football. Ye, yep, you do, and this is this
is it's very different. Obviously those stakes are very different.
But we have scrimmages before the season starts, and one
of the reasons you do scrimmages is to make sure
that the guys are playing clean football. They know what's
going on separate from the coaches, and I think you'd
rather have something like this happen.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Now, Yeah, we can address it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Could you imagine if they waited?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
You know?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But but like I told you, it's I'm not mad
at the team because when I see Drake May and
Treyva and Hymns and still FUNDI all their first screen
guys out there going against size second screen guys, I
understand then what's going on and how they're going about it.
So I'm not as high strung as everybody. I'm not,
but I'm not gonna say it's zero on my richts Field.
But I also understand, like you said, now we get
(06:15):
to go back to the drawing board. Now we get
to say we need to be more physical like that
game showed us. We need to be more physical, and
that's what they address doing the scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, I think I'm glad you said it that way, Fred,
because like two things can be true at once, like
and I think our head coach really encapsulates what that means. Right,
he can be upset, but he can also keep his composure, right,
And I think he said as much. Right, He kind
of was basically saying like he was really frustrated with
the result, with the performance but like he's gonna he's
not gonna like outwardly freak out for what because there's
things to work on.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, so, and that's what you use those games for.
I need I don't need to know my screents. I
need to know my weaknesses and if my weaknesses have
to be my third screen just for say linebacker or something,
I need to know that now so I can I
can do some roster building. Like this is about information.
That's what the preseason is about. Information, information on physicality,
(07:05):
information on players, information on every little.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Tip bit you can get. I think you hit it
on the head with just you know, you learned a
lot from that game.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
You learned that Hey, okay, yeah, I assume that every man,
just being in our practice will go out there and
perform how we perstructed practices, you know, and moment they
put stuff on tape that wasn't good, and that's why
you have a practice like we had today, And that's like,
that's why you have the week like we have this week. So, uh,
you you learn a lot about your team. You saw
(07:33):
a couple of guys gotta let go right after that
game because you're getting a chance to put stuff on tape.
That's why we always have that saying make sure you
put good you know e.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Scot on Lie.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But Tendy you said you've said something like this before
where it's basically like you've seen guys ball out in practice,
but they've never been able to like figure it out.
And so like I think about a guy that comes
to minus Troyopki, I mean every time on the practice
field he looked amazing, but then for whatever reason in
the game it never quite click.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
That's when that's when guys let allow the pressure to
get a hold of them. Like you know, some time
the pressure takes over. And what made us be able
to be where we was at for so long was
because we understood the pressure was getting here, the pressure
was going out there performing every day, the pressure was being.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Consistent with it. Come game time should be fun. This
is this is fun.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Like I was just talking to you guys, Lane and
Jalen and he hit me up like hey man, Jaalen,
I'm like, no, trust me, I know who you are.
This is our first time you know, having this you
know kind of conversation, and I want to let you
know I'm in your corner not because of what your
talent shows, but what you show here, like when you're
rookie and you're able to absorb what he's absorbing, like
at every wide receiver position, then you got to go
(08:41):
out there special teams wise, like that's big bro, and
you can go out there and be productive while doing so,
and you're gonna have a long career.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Let me tell you somebody. That's the true example of
what y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We was just talking about Taylor Jacobs, the receiver we
drafted from Florida. Now, me and Champ we applauded the
wide receiver because we told him, great pick. We went
head to head with Taylor Jacobs every day and he
was giving me in Champ fits like fits, but he
could never translate it to the game.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And he would get in the game and I'd be like,
why ain't you giving him a bid?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And it's like you were giving us And I don't
know if it's a it's a stage fright thing, I
don't know, but everybody can't translate from practice.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
To the game.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
He was here when I got here and on five
when you had just left, and my mom used going
to ground watching him because I'm like, if.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
He knows what what I see and what I know
about him, Yes, it would be me and him out
there killing people together, you know what I mean. He
was that talented n big and fast.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
He was so strong, like ran I ran the ship
screen in I think I'm against Kansas City for like
eighty out ran their whole team.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He shows up in the picture you caught me. I'm
sitting there like did he just catch up with me? Yeah?
And I'm not this bro. The guy was an athlete
ath translated Man.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I mean, it's one of those things where you would
see it. He flashed in game two, it'll be a
player to He's like, oh who saw that?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You saw that catch root? And then it'd be like
the next player, you're gonna whereise that? Where you at?
So and to his credit, man like you know, you
never know. You never know what people dealing with.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Anxiety, don't know what people dealing with So I never
really you know, asked him, ask him, you know what
it was.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Because he's spoken out to me about it. He's like, man, Tanna,
you know what is it I need to do? And
I'm like, damn, he's searching, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You can tell it.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
He's young enough to know that I'm not doing it
consistently enough, and I used to give him what I
thought that well, you know, would be helpful for him.
But you know, to each man, man, you got to
go out there and figure found on your own. But man,
he was so talented and get no talent.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It kind of reminds me a little bit of Brian Rackboll.
Brian Rackboll was a great player. You know, ten sacks,
multiple sax seasons. Like I'm not saying that, but in
practice he would literally be unblockable at times. Yeah, because
he would do this like crazy power inside move and
I was like, man, he should like he should do
this in the game because knowing like the tackles can't
block it, I can't block it. Yeah, and then you
go to the game and he wouldn't do it. I
was like, man, why are you doing that? He's like, well,
(11:05):
I feel I get worried that I'm going to be
out of my gap. So he felt comfortable enough to
do it in practice, but not comfortable to do it
in a game. And I feel like there's some receivers
that I've played with that don't throw a sick move
in practice, but they get worried about doing it in
the games, and again back to the preseason, like this
is why you got to you got to throw him
out there, right because, like you mentioned Dominice Hampton kind
of tangentially like he looked great out here, but then
(11:26):
he got on the field when the bullets are real,
had to take on blocks and and just wasn't quite there.
And so again like I'd rather make that decision now,
and again like no one feels worse for him than
we do, because we know how hard it is to
give up that dream and kind of be on the
street right now. But the team needs to come first,
and they made the decision based on information that they
got from this game. Yeah, so I think that's where
(11:48):
I'd say, like, you got to have these moments. Sometimes
it's got to be a little bit sticky and gross
and not quite perfect so you can make corrections.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
This is the icky poll at a football that nobody
likes to talk about. These are the unsavor reports of football.
Is figuring out who would and win. And when you're
figuring it, autter who you gotta realize it's ninety it's
ninety guys out here. Who's gonna have to turn the
fifty three guys, and the only way to get it
there is to sometime let guys kind of take theyself
(12:17):
out of the pitch.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And that's a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
What people don't what people fail to realize, is that
no matter how good you are, if it's just a
couple of guys better, you gonna be finding yourself a
new job or a new team.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And we've seen plenty of people like that.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
We've seen plenty of guys that come into this league
that or they just killed college, you know, and then
they get here challenge and they didn't look different.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
They look the same.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
But it's just a guy that's just that much better,
that much sharper, that much smarter, that's much on time.
Like hard, it's more than just being a football player
on this level, it's more than just being you know,
uh and outstanding an athlete. You have to understand how
to conduct yourself as a pro go. You got to
you gotta know how to, like I keep saying, absorb
the stuff the information has gone coming to you in
(13:00):
those meeting rooms, and then outside of that, it's about
how you living. You see what I'm saying, how your
body gonna hold up? Because of you know how you
live in things of that nature. So yeah, it's it's
a it's a huge task being and pro brother.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think you know, one of the
other things that comes out of the game is that
there's problems. But then I think you hear Dan talking
about solutions, you know what I mean. So the first
thing that comes to mind is like the score, right,
and Dan said, if you get your ass kicked and
we're in the fight the whole time, yeah, I can live.
I think we all can live with that, right. I
can live with almost any result when you put it
all out there and do it right. But when it's
(13:33):
sloppy and not to the standards man, that burns my ass.
So I think, like that's cool for that's cool to
me for two reasons.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
One, I think it's process driven by the coach, meaning
like I don't care. I don't really care about the
result as long as the process and our effort is there.
But if the efforts out there, like we gotta work that,
we got to make that better. We got to make
sure everybody shows up. And that's one thing about the preas.
And I think it's interesting because you got a bunch
of guys. New guys. Young guys in the game aren't
really indoctrinated into the culture, but you are, as a coach,
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have the expectation that they hold that same standard.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
You know what I mean. Well, I think coaches, it
really it really chaps them.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Chaps them.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It chaps them when the things that come for free,
we don't do it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It is at the least, and effort is for free.
You don't need any degree, you don't need nothing. I
don't need to run a four to three to get effort.
All I need to do is make my mind up
and go one hundred miles per hour. The things that
come free, I think it really, it really bothers coaches.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I've always noted it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So I tried to make sure the things that come free,
I'm gonna do them at a high, high level.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
That's one of the things I've always told myself, and
and and it's crazy how it translated through every level.
But I was always telling myself, you know, mindful of
every play, win win is down, win your plate, win
your rep. And I tell my kids that, I tell
I told my younger brothers that, and they understand it.
They might not understand the process like I did. But
I was just saying to myself, If I win this down,
(15:06):
that's one I'm stacking. If I do the next time,
that's two I'm mistaking. The more you stack up and
then think about it, you're not gonna win every down,
You're not.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You're not. But if you stack up more than the
next guy, then that then you're standing out.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
And so before you know it, you consistently going and
doing that, and that what makes you consistent.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That what makes you a top tier player. That will
make sure a guy that they're gonna lean.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
So that's what it's about, and that's what these coaches
when they see a guy like the effort.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Ain't the same from that down to that broa, what
just happened? I just saw you make a player. Then
now you disappear.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
So if they kind of remind theyselves like, every time
I'm on this field, I have to win my down,
And like I said before, you're not gonna win them all.
But if I'm showing that effort and I'm trying to
win it and that man just was that better.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Than give me that down? I can live with that.
I can live with the results.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, I think that's a really I mean, it's cool
listening to you talk about that ten because it's like
a free psychology lesson and what it's to be an
NFL player, Right, It's like it's it's not I'm not
running a I'm not running a marathon. I'm running to
the light posts. I'm running the light posts and going
to the next thing, the next thing. It's like climbing
out ever, so you don't do it by jumping to
the top. You do it one step at a time.
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And when you break down a game that way, when
you break down a practice that way, that's extremely important.
So for those young players out there listening, like that's
awesome advice. And I and I think about the young
players on this roster that played on Friday night, and
I wonder how many of them have that process, and
like how this is a good opportunity to work, to work,
to drill a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You didn't have that procely don't mean tomorrow you can't
hail it. Like it's just being mindful.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Some need to be told sometimes, you know. I mean,
you gotta be mindful of.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The privilege to play in this league, Like it's a
privilege to practice.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
It's a privilege to play. It's a dream being.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
These guys are living their dream, and I think all
of us know the harsh reality of.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
It is everybody won't get the continued live this dream.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But if I'm gonna get cut, I'm gonna get going
one hundred and ten miles by yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Like I So, after I retired, the Falcons called me
in to talk to some rookie tight ends and I
basically said to him, like, exactly what you're saying, Tannel,
what you're saying too. It's like, you know how many
people would kill to be in your shoes, how many
people would just die to be here where you're sitting
right now. And it was like in the middle of
training camp. And then I was like, and all you
got to do is show up on time instead of
(17:24):
your playbook. You don't have to kill anybody. You don't
do anything like you're in the door now. You got
to do those little things the right way to make
sure you're on the roster and make sure that they
can't cut you. You know what I mean, I handle
all those little details right. But the other thing too,
that I like about this quote from Dan is he
obviously recognizes there's an issue, like there's other coaching stats
we've covered where they've been like, oh, we're not that
worried about it's not a big deal. But he seems
(17:44):
like first thing says like it bothers me. It bothers
me that we didn't hit the standard.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
That's one of the things that was asking me before
the game even started.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
And you know, I'm at the MGM, I'm at bet
Loines watching the game and first thing, someone come on, hey, ten,
how you doing man?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
How you fit them? Buy the game? And I'm like,
what was the preseason?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
But the thing I look at from regardless of what
game it is, is how how you're fighting, how you're
how competitive are we are? Are we as a team?
And when when when that first kickoff went out to gate,
I was like, see this is right here.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
This is what I don't like because we was.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
We was one of the best kickoff teams in the
league last year and the only way regardless of who
out there playing like we we all we understand to
a man who wasn't playing, but we are unit, we're together.
Just because I didn't put Fred in the game, the
guy behind Fred should be able to emmolate what Fred
would have done and vice versa. And so when you
don't see that from the core of guys like you said,
(18:37):
that's when Dan knew, Hey, you know what, I can't
accept this rearse of what kind of game it is
because I don't teach this. I from from from day one.
We have a different approach about it. We have a
we have a way of playing this game.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And I think I think what really chapter me is
they were just more physical than us. And that's a choice.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And it wasn't like that doing the practice. That's what
I'm saying, not doing the practice. But so I think
Coach Field like guys turned it on and turned it out.
And I think they really did him because you know,
Coach he wanted one speed and I wanted all the
tag Like I always tell don't don't till me with
a good tag, because this is what you're gonna show me.
Show me that every dawn, every play, And I think
they would really get on a coach game.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean. The other thing that that kind of came
out of the game was the penalties, And Dan said,
all three phases I thought was sloppy. Tonight we had
thirteen penalties they stacked and showed sloppiness to me, and
the practice was just the opposite. You know, I feel
about penalties and that does not make me happy. So again,
like it's one of those things where you say, all
it's young guys, like he could easily be like, oh,
it's a bunch of young guys out there. No, and
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he's unhappy. And I think the other thing I appreciated
about Dan Cliff when you talk to him, Joe with Junior,
when you talk to him Adam, if you know, sometimes
we talked to him before the game, like he.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Those guys are so competitive, Yeah, so competitive.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Like I remember last year I talked to Adam for
like five seconds after the preseason and they lost on
like a last second play. It was I forget exactly
what happened. And he was like and I said, oh, hey,
roster looks good. He's like, and he was so mad
that they lost pre season game. So for people say
that it's not important to them, it's just unrealistic, like
they care about.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
This every much.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And so like for Dan I think it like, like
you know, how he wants to get down. He wants clean, competitive,
tough football, like he said that from day one. And
so again like for fans that think he's unbothered by it,
I think it's that's not fair today. That's why, yeah, right,
And then the other one is ineffective and inefficient play
and then said, we can control our play style, and
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I'm certain that'll look different.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
So that effective.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
When you say the word ineffective to me, when I
closed my eyes and see that word to me, that
means if a coach say free, he was ineffective, I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I did nothing right. That like cuts me here, and
that that's like why you why.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like what was you thinking today? Like it's like it's
almost one of the worst things you can say.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I'm gonna be honest with you, and and and and
you know what, I don't think I got beaten in
a long time.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
So I'm giving you a warning.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
It's almost and I'm gonna be mindful of my words,
my burbidge, you know my language.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's almost like, right.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I don't I don't even talk to Jason.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
There's no way, there's no way. Well they don't hear it.
If y'all didn't get to hear it, y'all see you
guys laughing, I said, you know what you was? In effect,
I'm gonna go for a bike ride.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, well, I'll see you later, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I bet I'm tryed tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But in terms of taking steps to fix it, I thought,
you know, this week on Tuesday, they had something that
I thought was pretty fun. Like when I was in Atlanta,
Dan used to do like an inner squad scrimmage. It
was like the red and Black teams and he'd split
the rosters up and you'd have a competitive day. And
I thought, you know, he had this on the schedule
since last week, so it wasn't like they did it
because of it. It wouldn't reactionary, right, But I think
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it allows you in this scrimmage to emphasize things you
want to emphasize. It says, Hey. We had reps there
and at the beginning, Fred and Tanna they were throwing
a lot of flags.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
They were obviously emphasizing let's play cleaner football. I'm not
gonna let you slide with this stuff. So that's an
easy thing. We worked on thudding. It was a competitive
thud tackle of the ground type period. Mike Sanders still, Holy.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Calit, listen, he's not scared to swap paint, dude.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
He was like him and b Rob hit help a
couple of times. He like he had a really physical
tackle on.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But this also telling you he's in the right place
at the right time, Like he knows where to be it,
he knows how to read, he knows how to react,
he knows formational like he knows how people trying to
detect him, especially in the inside.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
He understands the game of football.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, and so like that's so I think like taking
steps to overcome some of this, like the penalties, the
inefficient play, right, the ineffective play like this is a
great opportunity to kind of say, hey, let's refocus us
for emphasize. And the other thing that I think is
really important to remember is how exciting were the guys
that practiced it, guys.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I mean, I've had practices like that on the college
level where it's not just the defense against the offense.
No again, I'm a good defense of white jerseys over
there in the offense of white jersey and I'm gonna
put a defensive So now you actually guys that you
normally on the field with, you're actually competing against them.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And brother, you're an offensive guy defensive guy. That gives
you a little more.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Or to the practice, and it's one thing having the
reps out there, so now it's actually being conducted like
we in another you know, preseason game slash scrimman.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So I love that because the first thing I saw when.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I saw fifty four and six getting that, I'm like,
hold on, you're on the same side, and I said, oh, no.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Jerseys on it.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
So that shows you man, like right now for these
guys over there, and you can do something wrong and
call you out on it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
And it was also cool to see like different relationships
like Bobby and Ky Midrano on the field together. Yeah,
and so talk about like the mentorship he's going to
get from that, like instead of him having a call
the defense came yeah, Bobby's like, hey, yeah, young fellow,
I got it.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Not not that not to change the subject, but I
had to bring Zucker. We hadn't talked about it yet.
He flashed a lot that the flash run, like he
was stepping in there and he was spinning it too
other guys and they just wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
But I was like, bro, that's that's the bright.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He wasn't always at the right spot at the right
time that he was going there at a hundred hundred
run and coaches never care if you blow assignmon I
can tell you, I can teach you where to be it.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I need that effort.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Every time there was a play, you know, they ran
that that kind of motion down cracked, the linebacker, cracked
the end pulled the tackle. Play with the full back leading.
They probably ran it five times. Yeah, And they ran
it once to the right and Trey Amos made the tackle.
And so our guy, uh Caine is getting cracked and
he looks over like the terminator and this receiver is
trying to come late, you know, put some work on him.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Helmet under the chin. Receiver buckles back, he steps.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
On this man's chest, yes, and then goes and he
didn't make the tackle, but he's right there. And so
again like you didn't make the play, but that's something
you can coach. Then you're like, I don't. You might
not know what to do, but you were going to
go there.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That was the big thing on him coming out of
school was how physical could he be at the next level.
They knew he was a hell of an athlete, They
knew he was very letty. He showed like because being
physical is just being willing like are you willing to
stick it in there?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And he showed that he was willing to stick it.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
In there time and time again, Like I'm talking like
hands extended, throwing guards to the ground, you know, spilling guys,
like Tannis said, like again, was it always right? Probably not?
Was it fast aggressive commanders football? I think so, And
I think that's why you see him maybe moving up
the depth chart a little yea, which is excited.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Wouldn't shocked me at all, so anything else.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So the other thing I want to bring up to
you guys is like this scrimmage I think comes out
a really good time because what is this day like
ten eleven.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Of training, you know, like after day like seven.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, they're all the same.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
It's just monotony. It's just the same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's Groundhog day in his groundhoull day with your body
going through these ups and downs. I feel good this day,
rain this day, I'm bouncing back this day, and it
become repetitive. And that's why I think something like this
scrimmage was good for today because it changes the whole
practice schedule. It gets them mindfully thinking about the whole
different thing, yeah, yeah, different, definitely something different, something fun.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I mean, you know, when you're going through the through
the regular ups and downs of practice, going to different periods,
that's a drag sometimes, especially in training camp.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So now when I get out here, I know all
I gotta do is just go hard and this scrimmage,
lineman assignment, do my you know, make a play or two.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know, it gives you, like I said, it gives you.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
A different It's almost like a different vibe because now
you don't have to go through the words of oh
I got this period, next, wait for the whistle.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I got to run over here and go this period.
Now I'm right here on the field. I can go
out here and be productive.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
And again, like just watching practice like that was one
of my major takeaways. It's like dudes are hooting and hollering,
and like it just feels different.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
It fair electric, It fair electric. On the day that
usually everybody just trying to make.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It, trying to make it.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Everybody just trying to make.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We got the preseason game coming up. We got to
push it through like one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Get that.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Anything else you guys noticed from the practice today that
you want to bring up.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I like the fact that what happened at the practice.
Just the food trucks and everything.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's a family that.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I'm sitting there watching this stuff, watching these guys pack
up and now, and I see that we had a
chance to partake in it too.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Man. That that gives another something, especially to look forward to. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Hey, after we have a nice, you know, hard practice,
we enjoy some of the you know, some of this
food off the food.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
It's just outside of the box.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I can't thank this ownership group enough for just the
prison stay brought, the understanding on how to get things done.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
It's just being handled different.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Every time we look up, we got new surprises every
time we look around.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah, no, absolutely and uh. One observation for me for
practice was just how good that second offensive line looked.
And we didn't talk about them from the preseason game,
but I thought, like Chris Paul, Josh Connelly was with
that group, he was with the ones today. But like
those guys deserve a shoutout, Trent Scott, Scott, they're pretty
good preseas games. They look good out here today. Like
Felton was running the football a little bit today.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Broke some players out of the j c J also
looked good in that first preseason game. I mean he
did some things in the run game and the past game.
I mean one time, he was a guy I forgot
the guy name is who breaked all the He break
all the plays down for NFL Network.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
He had the same distinctive voice that you always hear.
Look at this guy right here. Uh. He's also a
former ballplayer. I think he played line or something like that.
I think of his name.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
But he broke he broke J C J down, bro
and he said, look at this rookie and how he
plays and past past protection.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
He was pulling on one plate he knocked. He had
to hold about this big you know at one time.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
And I'm sitting there saying to myself, see, I didn't
get a chance to see it live, but it's great
to see it now when somebody break it down.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, And so why don't we move on to our
next segment, which is fantasy football sleepers and studs for
the Commanders. And you already kind of talked about, I
think one of the sleepers with Bill Ricey Merritt. Do
you feel good about him?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You were just talking about that, Yeah, I mean I
was talking to one of my homeboys. That that wore
that special number thirty two like Bill's winn and he
was in. He was impressed not only because of how
hard and aggressive he was to attack with the ball,
but some of the things he saw backside and his
vision where his vision was that one time he hit
the hole, he olaid the guy. I'm not sure if
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you want to keep doing that. You old laid him
And as he was putting his foot in the ground,
he made this one guy that was right here missed
and then got skinny because he saw the other guy
Like where your eyes at?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Like how you saw that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Because it's you're going too fast. Things are happened, you know,
so fast out there. But he saw all that within
that play at that given time. So he has a
bright future, bro, if we can see him. Uh, I
guess you could say developed every week in this preseason
and to the regular season.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Hey, this guy's the limit. Man.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
He's an interesting guy to watch because it's almost like
in at least in this market, it feels like he's
not even like a sleeper anymore because like people are so.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Excited, flashes so much, and he flashed when the crowd
was here he's flashed in the preseason games.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
He's fling so much.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
But my sleeper because of the first two guys are
gonna just a track so much attention. I'm gonna say
McCaffrey mcaff he is my sleeper. I think his opportunities
are gonna open up because when they look down and
say he go to matchup, they matching up this guy
with this guy, this guy with this guy, his matchup
gonna lean towards him winning more often.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And I think he wheeled like if if he if
he can get thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Five forty catches this year, I mean that would be amazing.
That'll be amazing, amazing, that would be amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, maybe he is a sleeper And for me, I'm
gonna kind of cheat and fantasy football you need a defense, right, Yeah,
you gotta have I'm gonna go Washington Commanders defense that
is cheap. I don't know if anybody's been talking about them.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, like no, because of what happened last year.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
But when you watch them at camp, like when you
watch the scrimmage, man, like they are ripped, rowing, ready
to go. Now they are frothing at the mouth. Man,
they're in tight man coverage. The pass rushers getting home,
they're rushing together as a group. I mean, I don't
I get excited for football nerdy stuff, but I am
so excited for Monday night. Yeah, to watch them go
against that, I cannot I cannot wait to.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Wat I think it's a great litmus test. I think
it's a great litmus test of where this team is.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, and so tender.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like you were watching that scrimmage day.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
We were talking about, man, I was so enthused by
watching just the cornerback play alone, just the secondary alone
looked like a totally different secondary from a year ago.
And right, and when you see it, like you said,
when you get a chance to see a guy in
Sander still that we saw how dominant he was wherever
they put him on the field last year. But now
he's back somewhere where he's comfortable and he knows it
like the back of his hand. And that's why he
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was all around thoughting everybody because he was just playing freely.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
He knew he didn't have that his.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Responsibility was, so he was so locked in on what
his job was. Man, he can go out there and
do what he did. You know, exawt some of that
energy and That's what stood out to me. When you
see Trey a most like you almost forget he's a rookie. Yeah,
I'm watching him. He was his hands, I'm watching him
open up. I'm like, I've been asking him for a guy.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
To press a guy all last ship. I mean and
wish they have.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
But you know, everybody was the same thing, and everybody
wasn't doing the same thing. So when you see Trey
Amos on one side, lat him on the other side,
Santa still put his hand on. Then you put ick
Managhi in and then you say, oh, you know I
got Will I could put wheel down here because anywhere
you got kwalm Mark. He's playing like Ed Reed back
there with that number twenty on. Like man, look, the
secondary must improve, you know, must improved. I can't wait
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to see how that affects what we do up front,
because you know it affects everything.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I'm saying, you covering if you're locked in, that's more
sex for us.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But that being said, though, too, like today a practice
like watching Deron and ken Law just penetrate the backfield
against some good I think some good football players watching
great day to day. Yeah, I mean like that, So
that that's maybe my sleeper right now going to the season,
Like if they can play even sixty percent as good
as this, like they're gonna be an outstanding defense this year.
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Another one, just quick shout out would be Deebo Samuel.
I mean, like, you know, especially when everyone gets back
and gets healthy, like he just seems like a guy.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
This is what I can say about Debo.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
He shocked me as much as he's running pay his people,
he never really got props for doing it. I have
to see him run past a couple of people today
because JD five over threw him by dead much.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think that was on a third and loan, right,
it was a fourth He ran a scene, yeah, and
it was a nice win. Beat the beat the man coverage.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
But again you had about five steps on the guy.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That's what Joe Wood Junior wants, So he wants high variance. Right,
We're gonna create pressure, We're going to force an errant throw.
Gotta be perfect. And Jayden unfortunately wasn't on that specific play.
But I think he's the guy that deserves to shout
out as a sleeper potential because if you can get
back to that, you know what it was that year
what was that three years ago? Yeah, he had fourteen
hundred yards like and playing running back and doing the
whole thing like it's just unstoppable, unstoppable. That's exactly right.
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So now let's get into studs. Who's going to be
a stud this year for the Commander? And can we
just okay before we start going, I'm gonna say Jayde
Daniels stud.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Unquestionably.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
So besides Jayde and Daniels, sach ertz oh, throw high
five for both of you guys. That was great. Good dude.
Tunsul is a is a man child man. He's like,
you're a man eater, dude. He reminds me so much
of French. He reminds me so much of Trump. Williams say,
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Paul got I respect it.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I respect it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
We can't take you anywhere though everyone thinks Fred's the one,
You're the one.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I'm I'm like zen over here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
All I want is piece, I said Zach Curris because
him and JD five connection. It's like, if JD five
can't find nobody else, if all this fails, I'm throwing.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
It to Zach.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You'd like throw to him in the dark man in.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Trouble because you know, you have to think about it, like,
just think about you in year. I don't know what
this might be fourteen or fifteen, fourteenth for Zach this
think about it though as an older guy that knows
what he knows about the game, you know how that
that looks for him. And then to have a pinpoint
accurate pastor to get you the ball when he's saying.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Like, you know, I'm in trouble, I need somebody to
make a play bro. It's like taking from a baby.
It's like stilling, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
And that's why he was always open last year because
he knew they wasn't gonna give him the benefit of
the doubt that he's zach Ertz, like like, oh that's
zak ERTs.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
But that's not worry about him. And guess what you're
own here you go, dude.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Him and Will Harris had an absolute war to day
war daddy, dude.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Great to like talk about just one of those fun
matchups man coverage, who's gonna win? Jane's trying to get
him the ball? Like it was awesome, awesome to see.
So you said, Laramie, love that one, Zach, Zach that one.
And I don't know the.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Defense.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Defense. We said the defense, but that was a sleeper, right,
but I.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Say when you go to sleep and still mostly his outfits.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, mostly.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
To say yeah, So I don't know a healthy Ackler.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Dude, I like that one.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I like that one because he he's got so much juice.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
He got juice.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
He's got juice, man, and I love watching him, So
I think that maybe that's good. That's Laramie Zach Austin Eckler.
I think those guys are all studs and have been studs.
And obviously Jade and Daniels, no doubt easy work. Jason,
you've been taking a nap back there after that food
truck coma, you had What's going on.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
The Street Tacos were a good guys. So I have
like a mini surprise segment since we're talking about Jade
and Daniels here. Caroline texted me this while you guys
were talking. But the Atlantic put out a QB tier
list for this year, so like you do with drafts, tears,
and I just want to know, with talking about the studs,
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with Jaden Daniels, where would you put Jaydens coming into
this year? So it's not just last year like where
do you think you'll fall this year tier wise?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Do you want me to give you like how.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Missus laid how many tiers? How many? How many people
are there?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
They're thirty four.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
It kind of goes off last year, but it's tears
for this year, like these are the guys you want
that we want this year. Right, So there's five tiers
with thirty four quarterbacks. The first tier. So Tier one
is Mahomes, Burrow, Alan Lamar, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That's a pretty solid Tier one.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Tier two this is where Jaden falls in. So it's Jaden, Herbert, Goff, Stroud, Hurts, Mayfield, Prescott,
Love Party, I take.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Him over all of them.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, no, no, but he's the first guy in the list, right,
he's the first guy in tier two, because.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Yeah, he's the first guy in tier two. But so
for fans to understand, like tears, when we do this
for draft, it's not like you're not arguing between Jaden
and anybody else in that tier. It's like pick your
favorite flavor, like all these guys are equal, You pick
what you like.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Personally, he's saying. What they're saying with this is they
want to see a little bit more. They want to
see more.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
They're saying that it's just one if one year worth
of you know, I think, I mean, you have to
wait there. They're basically saying, we respect what we saw,
so that's why you deserve your I mean tiers.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
But you can easily be up here, you know, and
it was gay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I think that's a great point because when we were
saying where would you tear him? Like, even just before
this drill started, I was like, I probably, if I'm
not being a homer, put him in tier two because
those other guys have done it.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Those other guys are over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, and he's and his last year was tremendous, but
he's got to do it again to be in that
in the group. In that group, like you're talking about
multiple time MVP, multiple super Bowl winners, like, and he
had an awesome year, but he's got to do it
more than one, which I think he can do not.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Being a Homer.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Can I make an argument as a Homer, Yeah, forgetting
him up in that tier one, I'd swap him in Stafford.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I was talking this the other day.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Now you're just I'm not doing this on.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Like I legitimately agree with this A because of Stafford's back,
we don't know what's there. He's getting older, so it's
nothing against Stafford, but Jad's younger, and dude, the legs,
the legs really matter with this true, just what it
adds to.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
All those dudes in the first tier that you just
mentioned are excellent scramblers and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Except Stafford and Burrow, who's the best.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Pocket pass But Burrow is nimble. It ain't like he
got slow feet or something.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
His his his mobility in the pockets, like the way.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
He maneuvers their pocket Burrow reminded me a little guy
a little more juice than Brady, and and Brady to
say the least, like he didn't want to run, but
when he did.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
He found a way to get a couple of yards
here in there. You'd be like, wow, so well he
was the best quarterback sneaker ever. Yeah, nevers on.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
The quarterback Jalen hurts some something to say about that.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Well, that's the tist. But Brady wasn't getting his buttch
she pushed.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
But I understand what you're saying there. I think that
to me, it's like if you really wanted to him
and Stafford could flip. But I think because of the
experience of Stafford and the songevity the Super Bowl, I
think it's almost like a like a like a tip
of the cap.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
It's almost grandfather to the end. It's like their grandfather,
matt U stand who do? Who do?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I think is gonna have a better career?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like probably Jayden, but like she's only done it for
a year.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
So that's where I'm like, I mean, you have a
good argument, Jason. I don't want to like poo poo.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
That well hater.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Jason almost came out after the year, after the first preseason.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Game because oh yeah, but the nice season.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
But then I realized, like, I can't be a hater
anymore with this team because you look at like we're
having an argument right now. Should Jayden Daniels be in
the same tier of quarterback as Patrick Mahomes. When have
we been able to say this as Washington?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
It is crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Never in my lifetime.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
And it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
It's like I don't care about a preseason game anymore.
Like I got Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah dude, yeah, I mean that's how special. How lucky
are we to be able to cover him, like we.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Took a thirty years. Who got it better than this?
Nobody thirty years. But I think that's gonna do it
for the show, right, Yeah, it's been a long day anyway,
not already.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Those those tacos are creeping up on me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Maybe it's nothing better than food than free food. I mean,
it's it's legit, he said, one of these. Yeah, well,
Chase said. I looked over and he was doing like
you know, your dad at Christmas or whatever, that uncle.
It's like kind of like their eyes are closing. I
was like, he look, he almost fell asleep back there.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
But it doesn't suck.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
So thank you so much for joining the show today.
And uh, that's it.
Today's episode of Command Center Podcast, you.
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We have to keep ark up poser.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, messages a lot of panic in about I don't
believe we didn't dress thirty people and got beat like that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Let me tell you something. Two coaches, two different approaches.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
One coach is laying the foundation of a new coaching regime,
like Mike Rabel wants to win every game that that
team plays, no matter.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
If it's preseason scrimmage a regular game.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I stop me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But also like I don't think you want to lose
the No one wants to lose you just but like
the one that Tom Brady's getting the statue at, Like
like you.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Know you got a twelve foot statue.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, Like you don't want to come out and have
Tom Brady though maybe the most decorated quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Time and come out and just lay an egg.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah in preseason.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
No, it meant, like I said, different approaches, but two
different coaches. Now the coach likes seeing what happened. No,
coach Clinn did not like seeing what happened. But also
he understands the true overall picture of everything.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, everybody has the same objective.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I think when it comes to these preseason games, you
want to get some good work in, but you want
to win. Everybody wants to win, but it's not a
big infas of trying to do so by putting guys
in there that you don't want to see at that moment.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
So, you know, if we're going to play with our
fourth screen, third screen, and second string, if.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
We can't be productive, then we have to get back
to the drawing board the next week and try to
pull a little more out of them. But I'm not
going to go to the you know, go all out
just for a preseason game unless it's the game that
I know that I want to address rehears. So, yeah,
you know, you play your.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Veman then you know you guys know I coach high
school football. Ye, yep, you do, and this is this
is it's very different. Obviously those stakes are very different.
But we have scrimmages before the season starts, and one
of the reasons you do scrimmages is to make sure
that the guys are playing clean football. They know what's
going on separate from the coaches, and I think you'd
rather have something like this happen.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Now, Yeah, we can address it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Could you imagine if they waited?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
You know?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
But but like I told you, it's I'm not mad
at the team because when I see Drake May and
Treyva and Hymns and still FUNDI all their first screen
guys out there going against size second screen guys, I
understand then what's going on and how they're going about it.
So I'm not as high strung as everybody. I'm not,
but I'm not gonna say it's zero on my richts Field.
But I also understand, like you said, now we get
(06:15):
to go back to the drawing board. Now we get
to say we need to be more physical like that
game showed us. We need to be more physical, and
that's what they address doing the scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, I think I'm glad you said it that way, Fred,
because like two things can be true at once, like
and I think our head coach really encapsulates what that means. Right,
he can be upset, but he can also keep his composure, right,
And I think he said as much. Right, He kind
of was basically saying like he was really frustrated with
the result, with the performance but like he's gonna he's
not gonna like outwardly freak out for what because there's
things to work on.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, so, and that's what you use those games for.
I need I don't need to know my screents. I
need to know my weaknesses and if my weaknesses have
to be my third screen just for say linebacker or something,
I need to know that now so I can I
can do some roster building. Like this is about information.
That's what the preseason is about. Information, information on physicality,
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information on players, information on every little.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Tip bit you can get. I think you hit it
on the head with just you know, you learned a
lot from that game.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
You learned that Hey, okay, yeah, I assume that every man,
just being in our practice will go out there and
perform how we perstructed practices, you know, and moment they
put stuff on tape that wasn't good, and that's why
you have a practice like we had today, And that's like,
that's why you have the week like we have this week. So, uh,
you you learn a lot about your team. You saw
(07:33):
a couple of guys gotta let go right after that
game because you're getting a chance to put stuff on tape.
That's why we always have that saying make sure you
put good you know e.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Scot on Lie.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But Tendy you said you've said something like this before
where it's basically like you've seen guys ball out in practice,
but they've never been able to like figure it out.
And so like I think about a guy that comes
to minus Troyopki, I mean every time on the practice
field he looked amazing, but then for whatever reason in
the game it never quite click.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
That's when that's when guys let allow the pressure to
get a hold of them. Like you know, some time
the pressure takes over. And what made us be able
to be where we was at for so long was
because we understood the pressure was getting here, the pressure
was going out there performing every day, the pressure was being.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Consistent with it. Come game time should be fun. This
is this is fun.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Like I was just talking to you guys, Lane and
Jalen and he hit me up like hey man, Jaalen,
I'm like, no, trust me, I know who you are.
This is our first time you know, having this you
know kind of conversation, and I want to let you
know I'm in your corner not because of what your
talent shows, but what you show here, like when you're
rookie and you're able to absorb what he's absorbing, like
at every wide receiver position, then you got to go
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out there special teams wise, like that's big bro, and
you can go out there and be productive while doing so,
and you're gonna have a long career.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Let me tell you somebody. That's the true example of
what y'all.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We was just talking about Taylor Jacobs, the receiver we
drafted from Florida. Now, me and Champ we applauded the
wide receiver because we told him, great pick. We went
head to head with Taylor Jacobs every day and he
was giving me in Champ fits like fits, but he
could never translate it to the game.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And he would get in the game and I'd be like,
why ain't you giving him a bid?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And it's like you were giving us And I don't
know if it's a it's a stage fright thing, I
don't know, but everybody can't translate from practice.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
To the game.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
He was here when I got here and on five
when you had just left, and my mom used going
to ground watching him because I'm like, if.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
He knows what what I see and what I know
about him, Yes, it would be me and him out
there killing people together, you know what I mean. He
was that talented n big and fast.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
He was so strong, like ran I ran the ship
screen in I think I'm against Kansas City for like
eighty out ran their whole team.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He shows up in the picture you caught me. I'm
sitting there like did he just catch up with me? Yeah?
And I'm not this bro. The guy was an athlete
ath translated Man.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I mean, it's one of those things where you would
see it. He flashed in game two, it'll be a
player to He's like, oh who saw that?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You saw that catch root? And then it'd be like
the next player, you're gonna whereise that? Where you at?
So and to his credit, man like you know, you
never know. You never know what people dealing with.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Anxiety, don't know what people dealing with So I never
really you know, asked him, ask him, you know what
it was.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Because he's spoken out to me about it. He's like, man, Tanna,
you know what is it I need to do? And
I'm like, damn, he's searching, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You can tell it.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
He's young enough to know that I'm not doing it
consistently enough, and I used to give him what I
thought that well, you know, would be helpful for him.
But you know, to each man, man, you got to
go out there and figure found on your own. But man,
he was so talented and get no talent.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
It kind of reminds me a little bit of Brian Rackboll.
Brian Rackboll was a great player. You know, ten sacks,
multiple sax seasons. Like I'm not saying that, but in
practice he would literally be unblockable at times. Yeah, because
he would do this like crazy power inside move and
I was like, man, he should like he should do
this in the game because knowing like the tackles can't
block it, I can't block it. Yeah, and then you
go to the game and he wouldn't do it. I
was like, man, why are you doing that? He's like, well,
(11:05):
I feel I get worried that I'm going to be
out of my gap. So he felt comfortable enough to
do it in practice, but not comfortable to do it
in a game. And I feel like there's some receivers
that I've played with that don't throw a sick move
in practice, but they get worried about doing it in
the games, and again back to the preseason, like this
is why you got to you got to throw him
out there, right because, like you mentioned Dominice Hampton kind
of tangentially like he looked great out here, but then
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he got on the field when the bullets are real,
had to take on blocks and and just wasn't quite there.
And so again like I'd rather make that decision now,
and again like no one feels worse for him than
we do, because we know how hard it is to
give up that dream and kind of be on the
street right now. But the team needs to come first,
and they made the decision based on information that they
got from this game. Yeah, so I think that's where
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I'd say, like, you got to have these moments. Sometimes
it's got to be a little bit sticky and gross
and not quite perfect so you can make corrections.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
This is the icky poll at a football that nobody
likes to talk about. These are the unsavor reports of football.
Is figuring out who would and win. And when you're
figuring it, autter who you gotta realize it's ninety it's
ninety guys out here. Who's gonna have to turn the
fifty three guys, and the only way to get it
there is to sometime let guys kind of take theyself
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out of the pitch.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
And that's a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
What people don't what people fail to realize, is that
no matter how good you are, if it's just a
couple of guys better, you gonna be finding yourself a
new job or a new team.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And we've seen plenty of people like that.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
We've seen plenty of guys that come into this league
that or they just killed college, you know, and then
they get here challenge and they didn't look different.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
They look the same.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
But it's just a guy that's just that much better,
that much sharper, that much smarter, that's much on time.
Like hard, it's more than just being a football player
on this level, it's more than just being you know,
uh and outstanding an athlete. You have to understand how
to conduct yourself as a pro go. You got to
you gotta know how to, like I keep saying, absorb
the stuff the information has gone coming to you in
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those meeting rooms, and then outside of that, it's about
how you living. You see what I'm saying, how your
body gonna hold up? Because of you know how you
live in things of that nature. So yeah, it's it's
a it's a huge task being and pro brother.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think you know, one of the
other things that comes out of the game is that
there's problems. But then I think you hear Dan talking
about solutions, you know what I mean. So the first
thing that comes to mind is like the score, right,
and Dan said, if you get your ass kicked and
we're in the fight the whole time, yeah, I can live.
I think we all can live with that, right. I
can live with almost any result when you put it
all out there and do it right. But when it's
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sloppy and not to the standards man, that burns my ass.
So I think, like that's cool for that's cool to
me for two reasons.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
One, I think it's process driven by the coach, meaning
like I don't care. I don't really care about the
result as long as the process and our effort is there.
But if the efforts out there, like we gotta work that,
we got to make that better. We got to make
sure everybody shows up. And that's one thing about the preas.
And I think it's interesting because you got a bunch
of guys. New guys. Young guys in the game aren't
really indoctrinated into the culture, but you are, as a coach,
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have the expectation that they hold that same standard.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
You know what I mean. Well, I think coaches, it
really it really chaps them.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Chaps them.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It chaps them when the things that come for free,
we don't do it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It is at the least, and effort is for free.
You don't need any degree, you don't need nothing. I
don't need to run a four to three to get effort.
All I need to do is make my mind up
and go one hundred miles per hour. The things that
come free, I think it really, it really bothers coaches.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I've always noted it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
So I tried to make sure the things that come free,
I'm gonna do them at a high, high level.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
That's one of the things I've always told myself, and
and and it's crazy how it translated through every level.
But I was always telling myself, you know, mindful of
every play, win win is down, win your plate, win
your rep. And I tell my kids that, I tell
I told my younger brothers that, and they understand it.
They might not understand the process like I did. But
I was just saying to myself, If I win this down,
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that's one I'm stacking. If I do the next time,
that's two I'm mistaking. The more you stack up and
then think about it, you're not gonna win every down,
You're not.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You're not. But if you stack up more than the
next guy, then that then you're standing out.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
And so before you know it, you consistently going and
doing that, and that what makes you consistent.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That what makes you a top tier player. That will
make sure a guy that they're gonna lean.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
So that's what it's about, and that's what these coaches
when they see a guy like the effort.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Ain't the same from that down to that broa, what
just happened? I just saw you make a player. Then
now you disappear.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
So if they kind of remind theyselves like, every time
I'm on this field, I have to win my down,
And like I said before, you're not gonna win them all.
But if I'm showing that effort and I'm trying to
win it and that man just was that better.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Than give me that down? I can live with that.
I can live with the results.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, I think that's a really I mean, it's cool
listening to you talk about that ten because it's like
a free psychology lesson and what it's to be an
NFL player, Right, It's like it's it's not I'm not
running a I'm not running a marathon. I'm running to
the light posts. I'm running the light posts and going
to the next thing, the next thing. It's like climbing
out ever, so you don't do it by jumping to
the top. You do it one step at a time.
(16:15):
And when you break down a game that way, when
you break down a practice that way, that's extremely important.
So for those young players out there listening, like that's
awesome advice. And I and I think about the young
players on this roster that played on Friday night, and
I wonder how many of them have that process, and
like how this is a good opportunity to work, to work,
to drill a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You didn't have that procely don't mean tomorrow you can't
hail it. Like it's just being mindful.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Some need to be told sometimes, you know. I mean,
you gotta be mindful of.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
The privilege to play in this league, Like it's a
privilege to practice.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
It's a privilege to play. It's a dream being.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
These guys are living their dream, and I think all
of us know the harsh reality of.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
It is everybody won't get the continued live this dream.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But if I'm gonna get cut, I'm gonna get going
one hundred and ten miles by yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Like I So, after I retired, the Falcons called me
in to talk to some rookie tight ends and I
basically said to him, like, exactly what you're saying, Tannel,
what you're saying too. It's like, you know how many
people would kill to be in your shoes, how many
people would just die to be here where you're sitting
right now. And it was like in the middle of
training camp. And then I was like, and all you
got to do is show up on time instead of
(17:24):
your playbook. You don't have to kill anybody. You don't
do anything like you're in the door now. You got
to do those little things the right way to make
sure you're on the roster and make sure that they
can't cut you. You know what I mean, I handle
all those little details right. But the other thing too,
that I like about this quote from Dan is he
obviously recognizes there's an issue, like there's other coaching stats
we've covered where they've been like, oh, we're not that
worried about it's not a big deal. But he seems
(17:44):
like first thing says like it bothers me. It bothers
me that we didn't hit the standard.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
That's one of the things that was asking me before
the game even started.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
And you know, I'm at the MGM, I'm at bet
Loines watching the game and first thing, someone come on, hey, ten,
how you doing man?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
How you fit them? Buy the game? And I'm like,
what was the preseason?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
But the thing I look at from regardless of what
game it is, is how how you're fighting, how you're
how competitive are we are? Are we as a team?
And when when when that first kickoff went out to gate,
I was like, see this is right here.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
This is what I don't like because we was.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
We was one of the best kickoff teams in the
league last year and the only way regardless of who
out there playing like we we all we understand to
a man who wasn't playing, but we are unit, we're together.
Just because I didn't put Fred in the game, the
guy behind Fred should be able to emmolate what Fred
would have done and vice versa. And so when you
don't see that from the core of guys like you said,
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that's when Dan knew, Hey, you know what, I can't
accept this rearse of what kind of game it is
because I don't teach this. I from from from day one.
We have a different approach about it. We have a
we have a way of playing this game.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And I think I think what really chapter me is
they were just more physical than us. And that's a choice.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And it wasn't like that doing the practice. That's what
I'm saying, not doing the practice. But so I think
Coach Field like guys turned it on and turned it out.
And I think they really did him because you know,
Coach he wanted one speed and I wanted all the
tag Like I always tell don't don't till me with
a good tag, because this is what you're gonna show me.
Show me that every dawn, every play, And I think
they would really get on a coach game.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I mean. The other thing that that kind of came
out of the game was the penalties, And Dan said,
all three phases I thought was sloppy. Tonight we had
thirteen penalties they stacked and showed sloppiness to me, and
the practice was just the opposite. You know, I feel
about penalties and that does not make me happy. So again,
like it's one of those things where you say, all
it's young guys, like he could easily be like, oh,
it's a bunch of young guys out there. No, and
(19:35):
he's unhappy. And I think the other thing I appreciated
about Dan Cliff when you talk to him, Joe with Junior,
when you talk to him Adam, if you know, sometimes
we talked to him before the game, like he.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Those guys are so competitive, Yeah, so competitive.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Like I remember last year I talked to Adam for
like five seconds after the preseason and they lost on
like a last second play. It was I forget exactly
what happened. And he was like and I said, oh, hey,
roster looks good. He's like, and he was so mad
that they lost pre season game. So for people say
that it's not important to them, it's just unrealistic, like
they care about.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
This every much.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And so like for Dan I think it like, like
you know, how he wants to get down. He wants clean, competitive,
tough football, like he said that from day one. And
so again like for fans that think he's unbothered by it,
I think it's that's not fair today. That's why, yeah, right,
And then the other one is ineffective and inefficient play
and then said, we can control our play style, and
(20:28):
I'm certain that'll look different.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
So that effective.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
When you say the word ineffective to me, when I
closed my eyes and see that word to me, that
means if a coach say free, he was ineffective, I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I did nothing right. That like cuts me here, and
that that's like why you why.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Like what was you thinking today? Like it's like it's
almost one of the worst things you can say.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I'm gonna be honest with you, and and and and
you know what, I don't think I got beaten in
a long time.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
So I'm giving you a warning.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
It's almost and I'm gonna be mindful of my words,
my burbidge, you know my language.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's almost like, right.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I don't I don't even talk to Jason.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
There's no way, there's no way. Well they don't hear it.
If y'all didn't get to hear it, y'all see you
guys laughing, I said, you know what you was? In effect,
I'm gonna go for a bike ride.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, well, I'll see you later, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I bet I'm tryed tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
But in terms of taking steps to fix it, I thought,
you know, this week on Tuesday, they had something that
I thought was pretty fun. Like when I was in Atlanta,
Dan used to do like an inner squad scrimmage. It
was like the red and Black teams and he'd split
the rosters up and you'd have a competitive day. And
I thought, you know, he had this on the schedule
since last week, so it wasn't like they did it
because of it. It wouldn't reactionary, right, But I think
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it allows you in this scrimmage to emphasize things you
want to emphasize. It says, Hey. We had reps there
and at the beginning, Fred and Tanna they were throwing
a lot of flags.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
They were obviously emphasizing let's play cleaner football. I'm not
gonna let you slide with this stuff. So that's an
easy thing. We worked on thudding. It was a competitive
thud tackle of the ground type period. Mike Sanders still, Holy.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Calit, listen, he's not scared to swap paint, dude.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
He was like him and b Rob hit help a
couple of times. He like he had a really physical
tackle on.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But this also telling you he's in the right place
at the right time, Like he knows where to be it,
he knows how to read, he knows how to react,
he knows formational like he knows how people trying to
detect him, especially in the inside.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
He understands the game of football.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, and so like that's so I think like taking
steps to overcome some of this, like the penalties, the
inefficient play, right, the ineffective play like this is a
great opportunity to kind of say, hey, let's refocus us
for emphasize. And the other thing that I think is
really important to remember is how exciting were the guys
that practiced it, guys.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I mean, I've had practices like that on the college
level where it's not just the defense against the offense.
No again, I'm a good defense of white jerseys over
there in the offense of white jersey and I'm gonna
put a defensive So now you actually guys that you
normally on the field with, you're actually competing against them.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And brother, you're an offensive guy defensive guy. That gives
you a little more.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Or to the practice, and it's one thing having the
reps out there, so now it's actually being conducted like
we in another you know, preseason game slash scrimman.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So I love that because the first thing I saw when.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
I saw fifty four and six getting that, I'm like,
hold on, you're on the same side, and I said, oh, no.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Jerseys on it.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
So that shows you man, like right now for these
guys over there, and you can do something wrong and
call you out on it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
And it was also cool to see like different relationships
like Bobby and Ky Midrano on the field together. Yeah,
and so talk about like the mentorship he's going to
get from that, like instead of him having a call
the defense came yeah, Bobby's like, hey, yeah, young fellow,
I got it.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Not not that not to change the subject, but I
had to bring Zucker. We hadn't talked about it yet.
He flashed a lot that the flash run, like he
was stepping in there and he was spinning it too
other guys and they just wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
But I was like, bro, that's that's the bright.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He wasn't always at the right spot at the right
time that he was going there at a hundred hundred
run and coaches never care if you blow assignmon I
can tell you, I can teach you where to be it.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I need that effort.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Every time there was a play, you know, they ran
that that kind of motion down cracked, the linebacker, cracked
the end pulled the tackle. Play with the full back leading.
They probably ran it five times. Yeah, And they ran
it once to the right and Trey Amos made the tackle.
And so our guy, uh Caine is getting cracked and
he looks over like the terminator and this receiver is
trying to come late, you know, put some work on him.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Helmet under the chin. Receiver buckles back, he steps.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
On this man's chest, yes, and then goes and he
didn't make the tackle, but he's right there. And so
again like you didn't make the play, but that's something
you can coach. Then you're like, I don't. You might
not know what to do, but you were going to
go there.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
That was the big thing on him coming out of
school was how physical could he be at the next level.
They knew he was a hell of an athlete, They
knew he was very letty. He showed like because being
physical is just being willing like are you willing to
stick it in there?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And he showed that he was willing to stick it.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
In there time and time again, Like I'm talking like
hands extended, throwing guards to the ground, you know, spilling guys,
like Tannis said, like again, was it always right? Probably not?
Was it fast aggressive commanders football? I think so, And
I think that's why you see him maybe moving up
the depth chart a little yea, which is excited.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Wouldn't shocked me at all, so anything else.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So the other thing I want to bring up to
you guys is like this scrimmage I think comes out
a really good time because what is this day like
ten eleven.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Of training, you know, like after day like seven.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, they're all the same.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
It's just monotony. It's just the same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's Groundhog day in his groundhoull day with your body
going through these ups and downs. I feel good this day,
rain this day, I'm bouncing back this day, and it
become repetitive. And that's why I think something like this
scrimmage was good for today because it changes the whole
practice schedule. It gets them mindfully thinking about the whole
different thing, yeah, yeah, different, definitely something different, something fun.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I mean, you know, when you're going through the through
the regular ups and downs of practice, going to different periods,
that's a drag sometimes, especially in training camp.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So now when I get out here, I know all
I gotta do is just go hard and this scrimmage,
lineman assignment, do my you know, make a play or two.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know, it gives you, like I said, it gives you.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
A different It's almost like a different vibe because now
you don't have to go through the words of oh
I got this period, next, wait for the whistle.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I got to run over here and go this period.
Now I'm right here on the field. I can go
out here and be productive.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
And again, like just watching practice like that was one
of my major takeaways. It's like dudes are hooting and hollering,
and like it just feels different.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
It fair electric, It fair electric. On the day that
usually everybody just trying to make.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It, trying to make it.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Everybody just trying to make.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We got the preseason game coming up. We got to
push it through like one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Get that.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Anything else you guys noticed from the practice today that
you want to bring up.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I like the fact that what happened at the practice.
Just the food trucks and everything.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's a family that.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I'm sitting there watching this stuff, watching these guys pack
up and now, and I see that we had a
chance to partake in it too.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Man. That that gives another something, especially to look forward to. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Hey, after we have a nice, you know, hard practice,
we enjoy some of the you know, some of this
food off the food.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
It's just outside of the box.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I can't thank this ownership group enough for just the
prison stay brought, the understanding on how to get things done.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
It's just being handled different.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Man.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Every time we look up, we got new surprises every
time we look around.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah, no, absolutely and uh. One observation for me for
practice was just how good that second offensive line looked.
And we didn't talk about them from the preseason game,
but I thought, like Chris Paul, Josh Connelly was with
that group, he was with the ones today. But like
those guys deserve a shoutout, Trent Scott, Scott, they're pretty
good preseas games. They look good out here today. Like
Felton was running the football a little bit today.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Broke some players out of the j c J also
looked good in that first preseason game. I mean he
did some things in the run game and the past game.
I mean one time, he was a guy I forgot
the guy name is who breaked all the He break
all the plays down for NFL Network.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
He had the same distinctive voice that you always hear.
Look at this guy right here. Uh. He's also a
former ballplayer. I think he played line or something like that.
I think of his name.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
But he broke he broke J C J down, bro
and he said, look at this rookie and how he
plays and past past protection.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
He was pulling on one plate he knocked. He had
to hold about this big you know at one time.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
And I'm sitting there saying to myself, see, I didn't
get a chance to see it live, but it's great
to see it now when somebody break it down.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, And so why don't we move on to our
next segment, which is fantasy football sleepers and studs for
the Commanders. And you already kind of talked about, I
think one of the sleepers with Bill Ricey Merritt. Do
you feel good about him?
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You were just talking about that, Yeah, I mean I
was talking to one of my homeboys. That that wore
that special number thirty two like Bill's winn and he
was in. He was impressed not only because of how
hard and aggressive he was to attack with the ball,
but some of the things he saw backside and his
vision where his vision was that one time he hit
the hole, he olaid the guy. I'm not sure if
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you want to keep doing that. You old laid him
And as he was putting his foot in the ground,
he made this one guy that was right here missed
and then got skinny because he saw the other guy
Like where your eyes at?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Like how you saw that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Because it's you're going too fast. Things are happened, you know,
so fast out there. But he saw all that within
that play at that given time. So he has a
bright future, bro, if we can see him. Uh, I
guess you could say developed every week in this preseason
and to the regular season.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Hey, this guy's the limit. Man.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
He's an interesting guy to watch because it's almost like
in at least in this market, it feels like he's
not even like a sleeper anymore because like people are so.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Excited, flashes so much, and he flashed when the crowd
was here he's flashed in the preseason games.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
He's fling so much.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
But my sleeper because of the first two guys are
gonna just a track so much attention. I'm gonna say
McCaffrey mcaff he is my sleeper. I think his opportunities
are gonna open up because when they look down and
say he go to matchup, they matching up this guy
with this guy, this guy with this guy, his matchup
gonna lean towards him winning more often.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And I think he wheeled like if if he if
he can get thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Five forty catches this year, I mean that would be amazing.
That'll be amazing, amazing, that would be amazing.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, maybe he is a sleeper And for me, I'm
gonna kind of cheat and fantasy football you need a defense, right, Yeah,
you gotta have I'm gonna go Washington Commanders defense that
is cheap. I don't know if anybody's been talking about them.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, like no, because of what happened last year.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
But when you watch them at camp, like when you
watch the scrimmage, man, like they are ripped, rowing, ready
to go. Now they are frothing at the mouth. Man,
they're in tight man coverage. The pass rushers getting home,
they're rushing together as a group. I mean, I don't
I get excited for football nerdy stuff, but I am
so excited for Monday night. Yeah, to watch them go
against that, I cannot I cannot wait to.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Wat I think it's a great litmus test. I think
it's a great litmus test of where this team is.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, and so tender.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like you were watching that scrimmage day.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
We were talking about, man, I was so enthused by
watching just the cornerback play alone, just the secondary alone
looked like a totally different secondary from a year ago.
And right, and when you see it, like you said,
when you get a chance to see a guy in
Sander still that we saw how dominant he was wherever
they put him on the field last year. But now
he's back somewhere where he's comfortable and he knows it
like the back of his hand. And that's why he
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was all around thoughting everybody because he was just playing freely.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
He knew he didn't have that his.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Responsibility was, so he was so locked in on what
his job was. Man, he can go out there and
do what he did. You know, exawt some of that
energy and That's what stood out to me. When you
see Trey a most like you almost forget he's a rookie. Yeah,
I'm watching him. He was his hands, I'm watching him
open up. I'm like, I've been asking him for a guy.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
To press a guy all last ship. I mean and
wish they have.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
But you know, everybody was the same thing, and everybody
wasn't doing the same thing. So when you see Trey
Amos on one side, lat him on the other side,
Santa still put his hand on. Then you put ick
Managhi in and then you say, oh, you know I
got Will I could put wheel down here because anywhere
you got kwalm Mark. He's playing like Ed Reed back
there with that number twenty on. Like man, look, the
secondary must improve, you know, must improved. I can't wait
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to see how that affects what we do up front,
because you know it affects everything.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I'm saying, you covering if you're locked in, that's more
sex for us.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But that being said, though, too, like today a practice
like watching Deron and ken Law just penetrate the backfield
against some good I think some good football players watching
great day to day. Yeah, I mean like that, So
that that's maybe my sleeper right now going to the season,
Like if they can play even sixty percent as good
as this, like they're gonna be an outstanding defense this year.
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Another one, just quick shout out would be Deebo Samuel.
I mean, like, you know, especially when everyone gets back
and gets healthy, like he just seems like a guy.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
This is what I can say about Debo.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
He shocked me as much as he's running pay his people,
he never really got props for doing it. I have
to see him run past a couple of people today
because JD five over threw him by dead much.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I think that was on a third and loan, right,
it was a fourth He ran a scene, yeah, and
it was a nice win. Beat the beat the man coverage.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
But again you had about five steps on the guy.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
That's what Joe Wood Junior wants, So he wants high variance. Right,
We're gonna create pressure, We're going to force an errant throw.
Gotta be perfect. And Jayden unfortunately wasn't on that specific play.
But I think he's the guy that deserves to shout
out as a sleeper potential because if you can get
back to that, you know what it was that year
what was that three years ago? Yeah, he had fourteen
hundred yards like and playing running back and doing the
whole thing like it's just unstoppable, unstoppable. That's exactly right.
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So now let's get into studs. Who's going to be
a stud this year for the Commander? And can we
just okay before we start going, I'm gonna say Jayde
Daniels stud.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Unquestionably.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
So besides Jayde and Daniels, sach ertz oh, throw high
five for both of you guys. That was great. Good dude.
Tunsul is a is a man child man. He's like,
you're a man eater, dude. He reminds me so much
of French. He reminds me so much of Trump. Williams say,
(34:17):
Paul got I respect it.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I respect it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
We can't take you anywhere though everyone thinks Fred's the one,
You're the one.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I'm I'm like zen over here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
All I want is piece, I said Zach Curris because
him and JD five connection. It's like, if JD five
can't find nobody else, if all this fails, I'm throwing.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
It to Zach.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You'd like throw to him in the dark man in.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Trouble because you know, you have to think about it, like,
just think about you in year. I don't know what
this might be fourteen or fifteen, fourteenth for Zach this
think about it though as an older guy that knows
what he knows about the game, you know how that
that looks for him. And then to have a pinpoint
accurate pastor to get you the ball when he's saying.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Like, you know, I'm in trouble, I need somebody to
make a play bro. It's like taking from a baby.
It's like stilling, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
And that's why he was always open last year because
he knew they wasn't gonna give him the benefit of
the doubt that he's zach Ertz, like like, oh that's
zak ERTs.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
But that's not worry about him. And guess what you're
own here you go, dude.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Him and Will Harris had an absolute war to day
war daddy, dude.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Great to like talk about just one of those fun
matchups man coverage, who's gonna win? Jane's trying to get
him the ball? Like it was awesome, awesome to see.
So you said, Laramie, love that one, Zach, Zach that one.
And I don't know the.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Defense.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Defense. We said the defense, but that was a sleeper, right,
but I.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Say when you go to sleep and still mostly his outfits.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, mostly.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
To say yeah, So I don't know a healthy Ackler.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Dude, I like that one.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I like that one because he he's got so much juice.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
He got juice.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
He's got juice, man, and I love watching him, So
I think that maybe that's good. That's Laramie Zach Austin Eckler.
I think those guys are all studs and have been studs.
And obviously Jade and Daniels, no doubt easy work. Jason,
you've been taking a nap back there after that food
truck coma, you had What's going on.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
The Street Tacos were a good guys. So I have
like a mini surprise segment since we're talking about Jade
and Daniels here. Caroline texted me this while you guys
were talking. But the Atlantic put out a QB tier
list for this year, so like you do with drafts, tears,
and I just want to know, with talking about the studs,
(36:36):
with Jaden Daniels, where would you put Jaydens coming into
this year? So it's not just last year like where
do you think you'll fall this year tier wise?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Do you want me to give you like how.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Missus laid how many tiers? How many? How many people
are there?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
They're thirty four.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
It kind of goes off last year, but it's tears
for this year, like these are the guys you want
that we want this year. Right, So there's five tiers
with thirty four quarterbacks. The first tier. So Tier one
is Mahomes, Burrow, Alan Lamar, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That's a pretty solid Tier one.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Tier two this is where Jaden falls in. So it's Jaden, Herbert, Goff, Stroud, Hurts, Mayfield, Prescott,
Love Party, I take.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Him over all of them.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, no, no, but he's the first guy in the list, right,
he's the first guy in tier two, because.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Yeah, he's the first guy in tier two. But so
for fans to understand, like tears, when we do this
for draft, it's not like you're not arguing between Jaden
and anybody else in that tier. It's like pick your
favorite flavor, like all these guys are equal, You pick
what you like.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Personally, he's saying. What they're saying with this is they
want to see a little bit more. They want to
see more.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
They're saying that it's just one if one year worth
of you know, I think, I mean, you have to
wait there. They're basically saying, we respect what we saw,
so that's why you deserve your I mean tiers.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
But you can easily be up here, you know, and
it was gay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I think that's a great point because when we were
saying where would you tear him? Like, even just before
this drill started, I was like, I probably, if I'm
not being a homer, put him in tier two because
those other guys have done it.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Those other guys are over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, and he's and his last year was tremendous, but
he's got to do it again to be in that
in the group. In that group, like you're talking about
multiple time MVP, multiple super Bowl winners, like, and he
had an awesome year, but he's got to do it
more than one, which I think he can do not.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Being a Homer.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Can I make an argument as a Homer, Yeah, forgetting
him up in that tier one, I'd swap him in Stafford.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I was talking this the other day.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Now you're just I'm not doing this on.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Like I legitimately agree with this A because of Stafford's back,
we don't know what's there. He's getting older, so it's
nothing against Stafford, but Jad's younger, and dude, the legs,
the legs really matter with this true, just what it
adds to.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
All those dudes in the first tier that you just
mentioned are excellent scramblers and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Except Stafford and Burrow, who's the best.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Pocket pass But Burrow is nimble. It ain't like he
got slow feet or something.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
His his his mobility in the pockets, like the way.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
He maneuvers their pocket Burrow reminded me a little guy
a little more juice than Brady, and and Brady to
say the least, like he didn't want to run, but
when he did.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
He found a way to get a couple of yards
here in there. You'd be like, wow, so well he
was the best quarterback sneaker ever. Yeah, nevers on.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
The quarterback Jalen hurts some something to say about that.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Well, that's the tist. But Brady wasn't getting his buttch
she pushed.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
But I understand what you're saying there. I think that
to me, it's like if you really wanted to him
and Stafford could flip. But I think because of the
experience of Stafford and the songevity the Super Bowl, I
think it's almost like a like a like a tip
of the cap.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
It's almost grandfather to the end. It's like their grandfather,
matt U stand who do? Who do?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I think is gonna have a better career?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like probably Jayden, but like she's only done it for
a year.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
So that's where I'm like, I mean, you have a
good argument, Jason. I don't want to like poo poo.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
That well hater.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Jason almost came out after the year, after the first preseason.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Game because oh yeah, but the nice season.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
But then I realized, like, I can't be a hater
anymore with this team because you look at like we're
having an argument right now. Should Jayden Daniels be in
the same tier of quarterback as Patrick Mahomes. When have
we been able to say this as Washington?
Speaker 3 (40:30):
It is crazy.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Never in my lifetime.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
And it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
It's like I don't care about a preseason game anymore.
Like I got Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah dude, yeah, I mean that's how special. How lucky
are we to be able to cover him, like we.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Took a thirty years. Who got it better than this?
Nobody thirty years. But I think that's gonna do it
for the show, right, Yeah, it's been a long day anyway,
not already.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Those those tacos are creeping up on me a little bit.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Maybe it's nothing better than food than free food. I mean,
it's it's legit, he said, one of these. Yeah, well,
Chase said. I looked over and he was doing like
you know, your dad at Christmas or whatever, that uncle.
It's like kind of like their eyes are closing. I
was like, he look, he almost fell asleep back there.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
But it doesn't suck.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
So thank you so much for joining the show today.
And uh, that's it.
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