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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode the Command Center Podcast, football is back, Baby.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We're live a training camp.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Look at the beautiful day out here.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
We got our first day report. We did well, a
lot of a lot.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Of things to talk about, techniques, defenses.
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It's the young whipper snapper Light Tokong, talk about him
in areas that he can improve. And then we rank
our top tank quarterbacks and it's got Fred sweating. It
all starts right now. Welcome to the Command Center Podcast.
I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred Smooth Santanamos, and we
are out at training camp.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The elements in the elephants.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We're fighting through it. Man, there's a little bugs out here,
a little warm.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No, actually, this is the coolest day we're gona get.
It's true. It is true.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, yeah, So but you know, like I don't really
I don't really care about it because we're at training camp.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
We're get to watch practice.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We're gonna talking about that today, and you know how
I didn't feel, Guys, just to be out here real quick,
like first day kind of get the juices going a little.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Bit, kind of you know what, I kind of had jeelters,
like really had training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Like you know how you get anxious, like the two
days before training camp? Do you get anxious still?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I used to get anxious, and I think it wasn't
about training camp. It was about the conditioning test. I
just get anxious about the conditioning test because it was
like a hump that you got to get over just
you had a right to practice training camp.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Do you feel that same way? I always had anxiety.
I mean, you know the condition about the test. You
might look at a guy like me and say, well, Tanner,
you run for days, yes, but that test is like
no other and no matter how much you train, no
matter how hard you work, even on that little break
we get before we came back, how many days I
took out of having fun and just to make sure
(01:40):
I'm ready for that test. I still was never ready
until I got got it all you know, put you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Know, put behind me.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
But today I was excited that football has finally Yeah,
I mean it's back. I think I've been watching other
teams go out here and watching you know TV and
seeing some of these other teams practices, but to finally
see our guys out here on the field.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Give me that notion. That is time and anxius yet
to see. Can they pick up where they lift out
last year?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like we ended on such a high last year, so
to me, the standards have went to a whole other
level now, like they showed us the floor last year,
now even trying to show us the ceiling.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, and we're going to talk about that in more
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Great way to get that house cleaning that Yeah, I
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Speaker 1 (04:49):
So now let's get back to the thing we all
want to talk about, which is the training camp stuff.
And Ten already started kind of started us off, and
like how he felt coming out here, Fred, you said
you were a little bit nervous. Tanny you said you were, Yeah,
I mean you said before we kind of had to
get side tracked with the housekeeping. You said you wanted
to know what the new ceiling is. Yes, where do
you think the new ceiling is for the team?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, you're talking about a team that got four quarters
away from the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like the ceiling is the super Bowl. Like this is
how they feel.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
They feel like we got a super Bowl a head coach,
super Bowl ownership, super Bowl quarterback. They feel like we
have a chance to be a legit threat. I think
that's where the ceiling is right now. Like I think
for anything besides getting to the back to the MC championship,
and I know that's sitting the bar high, but I
just think that's where this team met.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You went and refortified the offensive line, You went and
refortified the defensive line. You got help on the outside
with d bo seremonies. You win't got dB help with
Trey Amis Will. Like you said, we're finna go for
it now. And you know how it is when you
get great quarterbacks on their rookie deal, that window is
so big. And I think what they're doing right now
(05:57):
is like the kids say they shooting, they shot.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, you feel or I do.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think you're always a little bit more measured.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, I'm you know, I'm never gonna be Fred. But
I think he make a great point. I think they
basically showed you this is this is what we expect
of ourselves, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
What I mean. I mean when you go do what
they did last year.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Now we all know, you know, as as ball player especially,
you know, being in those moments or them situations that
we saw them in last year. It's never two years
you can put together that's the same.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's never. It's never.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's never a year you can say, well, we're gonna
look like this next year. People sitting here saying, well,
you know, I don't think they're gonna be that good
because six of those games they won was in the
last second. And and then I sell those same folks, well,
you're right, we're not gonna have to wait that long
this time, and we'll go out there and maybe dominate
the game a little differently. So I look at it
like that, like this team has the potential to do
whatever they want to do. I think when you saw
(06:46):
what they did in this offseason, they were out there
and got key players that we was weak at last year.
And now not to say that that's gonna make a
major or drastic change, but we're hoping to. So with
that being said, this is where it all starts at.
It's here in training camp.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, and I'm really glad you brought that up, Tanne,
because one of the things you said that I think
is so important for fans to understand is no team
back to back is the same team. And so the
thing that got me excited coming in today to work
was to kind of see the first steps. Obviously you
got OTAs you get mini camp, but to see the
first step of that journey happen today and see them
kind of attack the fundamentals. Right, we're not thinking Super Bowl,
(07:26):
We're thinking about foundational stuff. Yeah, we're thinking about like
you know, we got to watch for the field pass
segment for Command Center, we got to watch Ryan Kerrigan
go through his run block progression, like how you get
hands out first and you work to shed, then you
work to pull through. And I think, like, that's the
thing that's going to make this team good is if
you can lock it on the little details, and again
(07:46):
it starts today, like that gives you an opportunity to
kind of to make this iteration of the team the
one that goes to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But I like the fact that we can see he
in hand his conversation if we would try to I
had this conversation two years ago. Nobody takes a serious
like having this conversation. Now it's a very serious conversation.
So they just tell you right now we're headed in
the right direction regardless of Super Bowl and not no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I think the other thing that I think we're all
excited about is on Paper ten and you talked about
this too, they've made some really key additions, and I
think we'll start on the defensive side of the football.
And you know on Instagram, Twitter, the comments of these shows,
like everyone's asking like, how do you stop the run?
And I think you see an awareness by Adam Peters
in terms of the guys they brought in. You bring
in Kinlog, bring in Runchdown, you're bringing Dietrich Wild, bring
(08:37):
good defensive football players that our gaps sound. And I
think that's got to be the start of it. But
that's only the start, right for this.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
To start, because this first down, like what they say
it now is we want to win first down, like
we want to win first down, which is usually a rundown.
We want to win it down, so we force you
to pay it. Now, we go signce situations, pay as well.
Is like Vonon Miller, and we got Frankie Louvu. Now
we're gonna send the past rushers after you. I think
what we seen, what we're seeing right now is is
(09:05):
a validation of what the NFC Championship Game showed Adam
Peters what this roster really was. Yeah, he said, I
got to go get bigger, I got to go get stronger.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I got to go get guys that have a select.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Skill set so when we need them, they can be
used and we can weaponize them.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And we went got bigger. We win.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Got bigger on the offensive line, we win't got bigger
on the defensive line. We want to win first down
on both sides of the football.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So tell me something, how much bigger did we get
on the defensive side of the ball. Because it's kind
of odd for a person who played a skill set
as a receiver to look at the guys that we
had last year and say, well, we was pretty big.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, how little were we last year compared to the
guys we got this year.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't even know if it's bigger. I mean like
de trich Wise plays defensive end, he's three hundred pounds.
He's three hundred pounds. And then Eddie Goldman is like
a true nose, there's three and twenty pound. I think
he's like three forty Like he's a bigger old.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
So basically it's about having the key guys for those
key positions. Look, you just said a true nose. When
you have a true nose, you want you want.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
A log deal. You want him to be unmovab.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, you want a guy who could just put his
damn anchor in the ground and say I won't move.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You're gonna have to double me to get me off
the point.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And I think you look at kid like the addition
of ken Law too, like what that means in terms
like he is a watching him every we saw him
in OKAS.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But dude, he is a huge.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That can move.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
He's an eighteen wheeler, that's what he is. And versatile.
He can play nose three. He can play d n
if you need him too. So he's versatile. I think
we did. We got bigger and stronger. When you bring
Laraman thoss over, he becomes your anchor on the offensive. Tackle,
you go get Connanly another three hundred pounds, you moving
Coleman inside.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
We got bigger on both sides of the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And I think the other thing too.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was talking to Flutch today about defense, you know,
and like kind of some of the stuff that he
saw last year in terms of what it was like
to play a middle linebacker, and he's like, yeah, man,
like getting guys in here that have the ability to
sit a double team, the ability to make sure that
the linebacker is cleaning the football. Yes, And when you
look at the guy that's playing linebacker Forrest and Bobby
Wagner and Frankie Louvo, like he needs it. You're not
(11:11):
going to find a guy who's who's more consistent as
a tackler. But he needs the front four guys to
play good ball. And so I think that to Tanna's point,
like you bring in a guy that they are bigger, yes,
but they also know how to do that stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
What I need, how are we going to take.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
On this tight end block or this this out block
by the tackle? I need to set an edge right
that forces the ball back to Deran, who's done a
great job throughout his career of beating guards and holding
this gap that forces the ball back one at a
time to Bobby Bobby, and Bobby can't run sideline and
sideline anymore. And he had to do a lot last
year because guys aren't worth there and and.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Did a great did a great job at it for
being what thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, So we can make it easier for him,
as what I'm saying, because you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Want to make sure he's tackling inside the hash. They
get outside the hash didn't mean somebody's not doing a job.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think that's exactly right. So I think you got
a bunch of guys, five guys, six guys in that
defensive front that are gonna be like specialty run stoppers,
you know. And so then I think that leads to
the next point with the defense is like ton of
fans say where's the pass rush coming from? And now
you look at it and say, man, like, I think
Dorin's Armstrong is pretty good pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Listen down the scratch last year and in the playoffs,
especially when they moved him inside and I'm passing down.
He showed you I can do this. And I think
his slow start came from him having an injury. So
I'm gonna show you I can go out here and
be one on one. Do you bring in von Miller
without saying he can go be one on one? Doron Payne,
(12:38):
I think I'll get back to nail it. Juson Newton
is the one when I say pass rush, especially from
the interior, that I'm very excited to see this year.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, because he's healthy and like Tanner, you talked about that,
You've talked about that maybe I'm sure on the show
at some point, but like the idea that he is
coming off an injury, and like you came off an
injury your first year and just how you didn't really
have that opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Like get your self established.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Because he's obviously like he was a borderline first round talent,
and same honestly, same thing with Ken Law.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
He's been a little bit nicked up early in the
spirit too.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So now, like, can those guys be healthy, can they
actualize their athleticism and potential? I think that's a huge
if they can. Yeah, that's gonna be a big deal
for the past run.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I mean, we all been players and we take it
for granted, how much and a true offseason could help
you out as a player. I remember the year that
in twenty ten, your first year, I was coming off
of a knee surgery and I didn't practice with you
guys into training camps, but I was in the pool
the whole that whole time in the OTAs, and I
remember training camp. When I finally got out there, I
(13:38):
was a little butter ball that was two hundred plus
pounds when I normally played at one ninety. And just
that little bit of weight that I carried because I
went out.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
There, I went out your whole game. It changed my game.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Now to add to that, I went out there and
still dominated that season, had another thousand yard year. But
just imagine me without that weight, I probably would have
had an extoring numbers, you know what I mean. So
when you see these guys coming off of those seasons
being productive but had to deal with something early, like
a guy like Newton Man, especially being.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
A rookie and having to deal with that, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
So now having all that knowledge that he got from
last season, saw how rigorous that game, I mean, the
season was. To a young guy to come into this
year knowing this off seasons is behind him, I can't
wait to see him.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think we're all super excited.
I'm excited to see Ken Long. I'm excited to see
Deron like in an expanded role. I mean, it's just
an exciting opportunity. And I think one guy that Fred
mentioned that I think it's going to be a lot
of fun to talk about. And we did like a
feature on him on our Live our Live Training Camp
show is Von Miller. And one of the things that
sticks out to me is like he's older, He's thirty
(14:45):
six years old, but I mean he's still got some really.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
High level mo right.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
He last year he was timed with a one second
one point three second get off one point four yah
put like this. He ranked number one of all edge
rushers on getoff time. Yeah, so in thirty six years old,
his first step is still the fancies first step is
a past rushing in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And people say, how is that possible?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And I will say, like, when you watch him, and
this is the thing I think that makes him special
and I'm excited to see how his knowledge integrates with
the room.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Is like you know, obviously there's a get off for
like a race like out of the blocks.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And One of the things that sticks out to me
about Vonn is he knows how to anticipate a snap count, yes,
better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So he might not have like the true horsepower anymore,
but his knowledge, his ability to understand where the tackle's
at is a big deal. Like just watching him move
around in these drills, like how easy it is for him,
you see, like why like why he was maybe the
most dominant defensive player of his era. And I think about,
like how you're going to use that here? Yeah, and
it fits something that's such an acute need with.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
You got a specialist with a with a special set
of skills, like my guy sees he has a special
set of skills. And this is why it was so
important to get big on first down. So it allows
him to come in on third down and do what
he does best and this.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Rush to pass.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
And not only that, I mean if he's caught in
one of those downs where they want to decide to
say run the ball, this guy he's been there, done that,
you know. I mean, he's played every down before to
know that, Okay, I might not came pin in my
ears back now I have to go out here and
set his edge yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And again just watching him move around, like gosh, man,
it's gonna be cool, especially if you can keep him on,
Like I think about how well they handled Zach Eris
to handle ditch count.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, to handle Austin in terms of.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Pitch count, like they know how to deal with that
older player, Like if you can get the best version
of him on third down, Like think about if he
ends up with rushing every third down two minute in
the game scenario, like it ends up with eight sacks,
like that is a tremendous signing for this team.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Oh no, if he go eight sex like this the
one thing, it's sex by committee, Like that's the great
thing about this will probably be the first time that
he's been on a team that we don't need you
to lead to the team even sex for us to.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Win, Like we need you to be efficient and we
need you to unlock everybody else.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
In the past, Ruts Meanie teams played Washington, they gonna say,
we gotta stop Bun Miller on third down.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Frankie Loofo coming from and if June New coming from
the mill.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And Frankie you know he he does specially drill bos
security drill and then he comes right over with the
pass rushers, so he's getting work in both spots and
like it's cool to see them kind of. And then
once the past work is done, he goes over and
does off fall linebackers stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's phenomenal just to see him on the field. Man,
he he ignites the defense. To me, you know, we
talked about the last year how he this was one
of those I guess he was like, that's that spark
plug for us energy talking about a locking a guy.
If you can bring in somebody else to unlock him more,
it's gonna be a long season for a lot of teams.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I think von Miller does because Von is gonna receive
the attention. And that's why I say we don't need
vun to lead the team in sex for us to
win Super Bowl, be a winning team.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And you know, we were talking with Fletch today on
the Command Center show and one of the things that
stuck out to me is he was like, I'm not
worried about the secondary.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I'm worried about the pass rush.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And for me it's the other way around because I
look at and I say, like man, durrence Armstrong had
like eight sacks last year seven sacks. I don't remember
the exact number, but like he can rush the passer.
You put him next to Vaughan that's gas. Then you
got Deron Ken lodgers On on the interior, like you're
gonna be able to rush the pastor what I say.
(18:24):
And then one of the things about Frankie is I
think he's a much better blitzer than he is an
edge rusher, and now he can do that at a
high level and say good luck to any running backers
they got to block him. So to me, I'm like, man,
if that all comes together the way it sounds like
it will on paper, that's gonna be special. I think
that all starts with that von Miller signing. So kudos
to Adam Peters for getting that done. We're gonna talk
(18:46):
about individual players here more in a second, but one
thing I wanted to ask you about is Dan talked
a lot today about progressing guys the right way and
making sure that they stay healthy through training camp. And
so one of the things that I thought was brilliant
is that they started with red zone today. He was
why would they do that? That's like a more advanced
thing work situational football and it's because it shortens the field. Yes,
like you expose yourself as a receiver to injury longer
(19:09):
when we're running long routes. And so I thought, man,
what a great day, What a great way to make.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Sure who did the study behind it? They give him
to do that, because that's smart.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
That's amazing that you know what you're doing also too,
and I didn't mean to cut you off. You're actually
building me up to now have that longer, you know,
y'all is to cover, you know, like if you get
me out there and give me reps now short, my
body is now acclimating, acclimating too the field to how
much I'm pounding.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Then the every day I can now expand.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That, you know what I mean, do more because you
still keep the same number of reps. Like I was impressed,
Like they did. Probably I want to say it was
like a twenty five minute like they broke it up.
It was like a seven on seven then a team
red zone, but it was back to back, so they're.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Not cutting reps.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But like, because the field is short, you can really
stick in there. The intensity is high, very high, but
like the distances are lower, so all those like hamstrings
adductor soft tissue thing. Yeah, are kind of kept in
the bag. And I just think, like, you know, it.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Keeps the fatigue down and the work stays good.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, but the work stays sharp, fast burst, quick burst
back to work, quick burst back to work, not long gated,
because come on, think about this. If I'm checking Tanna,
we in cover one, Tanner run a go route. Me
and Tanner got to run that fifty yards, but we
gotta run fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Back, running back and then line up again and go
to the hut and do it again, and your body's
just not ready.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So I'm ready for that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I think just the way to ensure we got health.
And then the other thing I love about it too, guys,
is that it puts the quarterbacks in a tough spot
day one. Yeah, it's not like, hey, we're running stick,
We're running dragon double stand on the backside.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
When does that be yeah, we got.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
It's almost like you're basically it's funny that we look
at it like when you really look at it, it's like, Okay,
I'm gonna save everybody else's legs, but.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm gonna make my quarterbacks think out the gate. Yes.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
So now the more and more I give them, it'll
get it easier for him thinking because he have more
to read, you know what I mean. So and then
and being that the quarterbacks are the hardest position on
the field, that's a great way to go about it
because now you put everything to him. You give him
that that quiz first day of school, and say everybody else,
you guys, just see him watch right now.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You don't take in photo your that's unique. Man.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I think the other thing about Jayden talking about
we haven't really talked about him a lot, but like
he just looks so sharp, like his ability to get
like it's the it's the quick Like I had a
guy Kyle Shanahan actually told me this one time. He
was like, I was like, what makes Jimmy Garoppolo so good?
He's like he's got one of the quickest releases I've
ever seen. And so when you watch Jaden in the
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red zone, like, man, that's a tough first day, that's
a tough sat. But that ball is out of his
hands so quick. He anticipates throws so well. It's just
like you see what makes him special.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I think what makes him specially is the person man
to have the best Rooky season of any quarterback of
all time. And he did not go on Baker Mayfield
in the off season. And when I say Baker Mayfield,
it's that you wasn't seeing them in commercials. It was
just like, man, I'm going back to work, I don't
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really care about That just blows me how grounded this
kid is, how aware? Like the one thing we use
it lacking our twenties is awareness like this.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, yes, well I think too.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You give a lot of creditism mom because she's always there,
so you know, and that's one thing that we didn't have.
Don't get me wrong. We all had parents, that all
had moms. But once we left the house at eighteen college,
it was a rap. When I'm turning twenty one, you couldn't.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I can't expect my twenty one year old kids now.
And I got a twenty one year old and a
twenty five year old. I can't expect them to take
on the things I did at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I feel like I was light years ahead of
where they built it.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
You know, they steal my babies at twenty one and
twenty five, twenty one, twenty five, I was telling my
mom and them all, hey, go get this.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I got this for you, go pick it up.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Like I was almost calling shots, and not to say
for them, but for myself.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
You know what I mean. My kids ain't calling no shots.
I gotta tell you what it is.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
It's crazy how these kids and just how the years
just changed in time with kids and how much we
can give them and how much we can't give them.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, also think you guys are good dads. So you
guys have provided really well for him. This is a
we're taking the side little parent compliment for Fred and Tanna.
You guys provide for your kids. Think about you were
providing for your family when you're in you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, the dynamics different now for sure. So
the other guy I want to talk about that I
noticed the team was our guy Kiinlaw.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
He he's a mountain. He's the mountain like like so.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't know, like it's hard to know every down
what he's doing. He plays defensive tackle and this is
how he played in New York. That's how he played
in Francisco. Like when he flashes, it's like a freaking
lightning bolt.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's like bully ball.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, when he decides I'm finna go one percent debo
on these guys and take their like he looks.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
The part, and so to me, it's just like, how
can this coaching staff get him to do some of
that stuff instead of But do.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
You think do you think with the way they played
the guys last year and the year before were particularly
last year, how they rotation, rotation, rotating these guys, you
will you will get the best of him every time than.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
You will because that I think you don't get the
best kill erw when he low energy, when he when
he uh gasping for air. Like with this rotation, I
think it have them sharp, like I gotta make airplay count.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Yeah, because you have one of those defenses where I
think they just have so many bodies they have to
put on the field at times for key moments to
where you don't have to primarily just have a guy
out that is to be out there.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I mean, we played on teams where I ain't never.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
See some of our guys come off the field on
defense and you know they was getting it behind, you know,
tossed around.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know what I'm saying. We have a defense here
now that any given play.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
He could be could super guy and he could go
out there.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And make a play, you know, make an impact.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, And so just to see his power, like like
here's a player today he bulls the guard and like
it was a you know ever seen like a fast
ball where the guards are completely on skates? Yes, and
you're like, who is Oh, it's killer. Like if you
can get him to do that instead of two every
ten plays like every four every ten or five like
fifty percent, like I don't know, man, like that becomes
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a really devastating piece for the You.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Know how I feel about interior pass rush.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I know you do.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I feel like it's the most effective disruptive thing that a.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Defense could get.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And even when I bless lineback because I want to
bless him through the A gap and I can't wait
to see your guy from UC lak Madronal Like that's
my that's my players crush right now of this off
season right now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I just think the guy got it all.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
And I think once he gets the rolling in this league,
you know how some guys get to the league unassuming,
but then when you see him.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Play, you're like, ah, that's a twelve year pro like
some he just got.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
This feel to me of once I unlock this skill, said,
y'all gonna realize I can do everything.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Hey, he's gonna be up to you, coach to figure
out what I do best.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, and he's a guy that you know, you said
he's got everything. I think he's got to improve as
a tackler a little bit. But in terms of movement skills, man,
that dude he just glided.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
How do you how do you get better at than?
When you a guy that he has enough football behind him.
We know he played receiver at one point. We know
he played phenomenally last year, you know, being a I
guess you can say linebacker, slash safety, whatever position he played. Yeah,
now you're in the league and you say he still
need a little you know, upgrade on technique and wont.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
To this tackle.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But what I will say this too, like talk about
it like we talked about it with maybe on the
show on the Command Center show that's working on technical development, Like, hey,
Ryan Kerrigan's talking about hands on the run fits. This
is how it's like basic stuff every single day, this time,
over and over a tackling drow Yeah, every day.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So I know I played for ten years.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You guys played for long times also, like I played
for teams, but that was never even a thing, and
every single day.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
They said you should already had his baseline in the minu.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And so for me, I look at the way dan
Quinn has structured practice, the way the coaches emphasized things,
and you're gonna get looks every day to improve your tackling.
So let's make that happen. And I think, like, talk
about just the perfect environment for a guy who's got
every kind of athletic ability. You want every as get
your tackling better. Like that's something we focus on and
we prioritize.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I know this is this is a big name I'm
finna throw out there, but every time, because I found
myself the other day. I just looked at some k
Madrono highlights I just did, and I was like, man,
this dude picks balls off and running back like Derek Brooks.
You know how Derek Brooke played in space in that
Tempa two. It ain't nothing you could do in front
of Brooks that he ain't have an answer for this dude.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I've seen him.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
He's got the ball skills too.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I seen this guy. They did a play action. He
runs into the defensive line, bags out, picks the ball off,
runs it back hops ober.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Dude before he gets to the Nebraska Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I like, you know what this athletic?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, and so he's he's one of a bunch of
other rookies. You know, we're watching kind of while we're
filming the shows. Any other rookies do you guys like.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Trey Games making some noise out there. I like loud rookies.
I like long coners. I just think I think he's
always no I think he, you know how some guy
like he fits. He's a pro.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think he feels like he's an instant pro. He's
like instant grits. Put it in the micro wave. Give
me them grits.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know, laying gonna always stick out to me, not
to didn't it and not all? And I think he did.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I didn't see the touchdown, but I just saw him
at one play he had where Ignagi had great coverage
on him.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And people take that for granted. When you're on a team,
when your secondary is good like our secondary, you have
no choice but to get.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Better at that position at at the receive a position,
and you know as a whole, so to have a
young guy with with with his caliber, his skill set,
I think he's gonna be shoppering this whole training camp
to be one of those guys when you see him
getting the game this preseason, Yeah, be well, those guys
on the other side of him, they're gonna get a
they gonna get something, Tody, they're not gonna expect because
our secondary is so good over here that he's gonna
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be ready like a regular season game by the time
he plays in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think that's a great point Tender. And I think,
you know, like the same thing with Cain Lane Connorley,
to a certain extent, all these guys are a little
bit developmental, you know, and so I think that's one
of the things about training camp he talked about, like
how we felt about training camp. I'm excited to see
where those guys are today and if by the end
they're who we think they can, if they've got like
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a roll carved out for them.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm never worried about who you are when training camp starts.
I'm never I'm not high on that. I want to
see you get just.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That much better every day. And if I could see that,
like you know, some rooks they just they gonna come ready.
Some guys, I'm fresh at the box. I'm ready to play.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Put me in coach.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Some guy need to get the field of high fast
his game. He is before they like really unlocked their
skill set.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, totally, I mean I think, and that's something I
can't wait to see. And again, like even with like
Connorley Man, the way he moves is special, but he's
still got a lot a lot of technical stuff to
work on. And again, like not not to say he's
playing bad or anything like that, it's just to be
looks like to be a stud. Like he's got to
be a stud. And so that's gonna be cool to
see where those guys go. The other couple of big names,
I didn't see a lot of debo, just because we're
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kind of doing two things at once smash on the
same thing. The one guy that did stick out to
me was laring me Tunsel. Yeah, just like how easy
it is for him.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
To He's amendment there too, so it's not hard for him,
you know, to stake out.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
His footwork and the way he kind of just is
in good relationship to the rusher all the time. Always
like he had a rep against Franken and I think
Frank's pretty good pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, And it was like kind of like he was
sleeping through the rep. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
He reminds me of Champ Bailey when I got and
me and Champ would be in the hood and that
I just one day, I just kept looking at him.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm like, this dude is never age. I never scratched out.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
He's lar because I played with Laram and Houston and
that's just how he is. Like no one, No, I've
never seen a rusher like freaking out.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like round at him like ever.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And they cool come they called it quiet, confident, like
I'm fine, I'm good in my skin. I understand how
you trying to take me, and I'm just gonna let
you come get it like them game change in athletes
right there.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Absolutely, so really excited about him, Really excited about that
offensive line seat that group comes together. You know, only
one day of practically being able to watch so far.
So as we watch more, we'll give you updates and
things like that. But really excited. And I think now
we can transition to kind of more Jade Daniels centric
talk j D fact because he's been in the news
quite a bit for good things, for good things, for
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good things. And it's him and another guy in the division,
and they're getting a lot of comparison to each other.
And so we're gonna play a game of hell yeah
or hell that was good, dude, that was really good.
You guys are like locked in on that.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And so basically Jane Daniels versus Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And so the first thing we're gonna start off with
is Jalen Daniels is the fifth fifth best quarterback in
the NFL. Nick Shook from nfl dot Com said he's
the fifth best quarterback in the NFL. Just to give
you some context on that.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
That's like Joe.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Eddie where
you want.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
And right there. And so like those first four dudes
are like generationally good.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Hold up, I have to ask you this. Yeah, where
was Pat Mahomes in this?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think it was two?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I agree twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, So Jason's good, Lamar's one, two is Allen, three
is Borrough and golf.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Oh my gosh, I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
They have pet in the.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Mahomes is after Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, alright, I pet did hal here him? For anybody else?
That'll be an up year. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
But in no world, in no world that I live on,
I don't care if it's Mars. Do you say Jered
Golf over Pat Mahon?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
But Jared Goff had to good your list year, had
a good year, but ran into us.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, but I look at it like this, we just
asked him question about did this hell yeo?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Hell no? Right yeah by Jaden Ben in twenty four?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I say hell yeah, because arguably without him getting hurt
last year, he probably would have been in the runners
for MVP.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So I say yes, hell yeah, ude, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I know it sounds crazy like we're homers, but I
think empirically, you look at the stats.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
You look at what he did for the team. You
look how he carried the team.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You look at the plays that he made, The fourth
down percentages, the third down percentage unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
With big time. We don't win a lot of them
games without him, Like he was an absolute maniac.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
He was a catalyst to winning. What do y'all need
me to do today? Rush four hundred, I got you
what you need me to do? Pinpoint pass for three hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I got you? What about fourth down? Were the best
in the league? Because I got you?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
So yes, this is what I'm more like. I don't
think his passing shocked me. I don't think his running
shocked me. The ice water in his kid's veins too,
like he never got overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Logan ever to me, and this kind of piggybacks off
your point. It's like the consistent decision making games on
the line. I make the right decision third down, I
make the right decision. Fourth down, I make a play
and make it happen.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Like do you know how many veteran quarterbacks I played
with that I walked into that huddle and knew we
finna get.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Off the field.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
You didn't trust him on that down, Like I could
just sit in his eyes that he don't know, Yeah,
you know how to get out of this. And from
where we was watching it at, Logan was on the
field all the time all last year, so he was
a little closer. But from where I was at, he
just saw a guy from how he looked in first quarter,
he looked in the last quarter.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
It never it never never round. It looked like the
play was too big, you know what I mean. It's
just this guy went even when he got nick and
we knew he was nick, I'm like, ah, something in right,
he got up and like kept playing and let's go,
you know what I mean, still was trying to make plays.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
So even in the playoffs, in the NFC Championship game,
he ain't the reason we lost him. Like this dude
had ice water in the NFC Championship game. Do you
know what the Dallas Cowboys that do. If d Prescott
had a litter in ice water, ain't come about the
dough think about it. He had.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
He was so good in the playoffs and even though,
like I said, we lost that game, but we dropped
from the ball to me, he was so good and
we give Jaydon this ball back he gon game for
the be We was down by only eleven and that yeah,
we was on the road.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Right now and jam put that ball into the paint.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
So this is an interesting question because we're talking about
quarterbacks from last year. If you had to rank him
one to ten, yeah, I think we could all do
it together. It doesn't have to be individually, Like how
would we do it like, who's number one. I think
number one for me is probably Lamar.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Last year, to me it was a toss up, you know,
being biased, I would say Lamar, but you can't deny
what Burrow did it?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Burrow did? I think Josh Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
I watched Josh Allen to and I don't take nothing
from Josh. He's easy top three because if you say Lamar,
Burrow and Josh Allen, any one of those guys could
be in that special first second or third they change games.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So I'm just just for ease of lists, I'm just
gonna go Lamar, Lamar one, Burrow Burrow.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
We go with that, Josh, I mean, Josh, Josh want,
and then we'll give it.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I say Josh because Josh proved to be the ultimate
force mote to play last year compared to his wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's a great point.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Game.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And then Burrow it's three three, So I mean that
feels obvious because those.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Guys are really good at I got Pat mahomes it for.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Even after last year.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, his dad year is a great year for
every quarters fill win them game without Pat mahoons.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Do you know how many games they wanted last year exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And I think this is the thing that I find interesting,
is I really want to put Jay Danis a five,
like I want to hate on.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
This list, but like he feels to me like last year,
last year. I know it's his rookie year, but I
don't know if I put anybody ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I look at it like this, who is the person
that you say, who made who? Who? Who put their
team in the position to be where they was at?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It would be Jeredoff justin Herbert would be when I
talk about maybe Hurts, yeah, and I don't, And I'm
low Ron Hurts those people.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think he's a more dangerous weapon than those guys.
So I do believe that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I do believe that Hurts.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I do believe Hurts should get a little credit because
of where their team win as a whole. But then
that's when I go back to what was being said
by him. If you put somebody the else there, do
that team still be really what it was?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And I do believe that, don't you imagine?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Like Kirk Cousinshia, I always say, what's magical about that guy?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
When I see Jalen Hurts was magical by him?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Is he's a quarterback the squad six hundred and he
got Ice warden Icewarden and he's a great leader, but
he has to play this unstoppable. It might be a
touch pushing, whatever you want to call it, but it's unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
So everybody can't do it. We watched Josh Hallen try
all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
They're the closing to us to get the job.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Done well with Josh doing it.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
But I would say, Jad, I'm gonna get JD five because,
like I said before, I can easily have him as
a you know, an MVP guy if he don't get
hurt last year. But the things that he did for us,
and even with him being hurt last year, the way
he would us into those victories Old six games where
we had to come back and last minute and win
those games, even when he went head to head and
and your boy got hurt in that Philly game and
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we end up finding a way to come back like
that alone, to me showed me like this kid is
special because I care less about who you have outside
of you. We talked about this a lot last year
and even started this season off talking about it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Without Terry mcclaurin, who else we had that receiver.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, you know, and it gets to a point where
you say, like we I'll say, when you have that
it guy a pay many everybody, Tom Brady, Drew Brees.
You don't need those many, you don't need special receivers.
You just need to get open. And that's what Jay
and Daniel shows you. I can play with anybody on
the outside because I'm gonna put the ball in a
place where only they can get the ball.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So Je Daniels five five, and so if you had
to go six.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hurts really hurts with Herbert, I go Hurts, and I'm
gonna go Hurst.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I'm saying, Jared Golf my business.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I go Hurt. I go Hurst because I say Hurst
won it all he can. We can already be saying
we can arguely saying that he.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Was in the top five at quarterbacks because he want
it all. But I I just like all those guys
play better than him, stick handedly by himself. They willed
their team Submitty more than he did last year. You know,
he didn't have to, and they had a phenomenal team.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
And then I go Golf, Then I go Herbert.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, because I feel like coach Harpwall asked Herbert to
do a little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I don't even go Herbert, I go your boy from Tampa.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
You go Baker, Baker Mayfield. I like that, Baker Mayfield
in front of Herbert.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
That's a nice pick. That's a nice pull by you
right there.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I love that. Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
And the other thing. Okay, so we were at I
got said again, Hurts, that's six.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Yep, Baking may Golf, then Baking Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I like that, Tanne, and then Jason Herbert. I think
that's good for me. And then who's number ten?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Number ten, number ten? And then that nobody liked to
really get two of those props. Stafford. Oh no, we
might have to read, we might have to redo. Nah,
but Stafford going to I think Stafford right there.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Stafford, with his ability alone, yes, could be easy to
be anywhere from five to ten. But with those other
guys playing as good as they play, they deserve it.
I think we have to just put Stafford at ten, just.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Say Stafford is to do, just to say that we
can't leave him out. This is a dude we left out. Yeah,
we can't leave him out.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, Okay. The other thing that I think is a
lot of fun. So obviously we had JD five above Hurts,
so we think he's better.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And I think a lot of Philly fans don't like that.
And I think Cam Newton got a lot of hate.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
We don't we hate.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
First of all, we don't care about them bleach your
creatures up there in Philip Death You all right, listen.
They hate on Santa claud they hate the Easter Bunny.
Why you worried about him hating us?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
And so producer Jason just asked me a question. Okay,
imagine your Philly ap calls you and offers you JD
for Hurts straight up.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I don't want it.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
First of all, fast, How fast would Philly do that.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Hurts would be here?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Literally in fifteen minutes? Right?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
That Roseman be like, Nah, this gotta be a print
call like this gotta be so you're gonna bring me
a guy that runs just as well but throws better.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, you know what that Philly outfense would look like?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I think I think also to the only thing the
only thing that that that hurt Hurts arguments a lot
is how long he holds onto the ball. Yeah, and
we know without that phenomenal offenser line and knows you guys.
You know that's like a recipe for disaster for any quarterback.
You know, that's one of the things we talk about.
Where to come to your boy?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Who just went to who just went to the Giants?
Wilson uh Russell, you know what I mean? Like like him? Man?
Speaker 5 (42:11):
You got Winston James? Yeah, hold James like you know.
When when you hold onto that ball too long, you're
not giving yourself a chance to really affect the defense
at their most vulnerable state. You got to get rid
of football. Don't give I care less if they got
everything else covered. But if you get the ball out
of your hands, it's one guy open, and it might
be the check down, might be the tight end, it's
somebody open.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
But you give yourself a chance offensively player.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
The nightmare that just happened in my head was our
po with Jedi five in Saint Quon Barie and you're.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Throwing and it's an r pos so I could.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Or listen to me. To me, that's demos dangerous I
have ever heard in my life. I mean, barbecue chickens.
What you're gonna do you? Isn't that that you can do?
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So to me, like I understand why Philly fans got
their guys back. And Tanna was talking about this before
the show started that they because of Hurts, his leadership,
because of his composure, because of his and again, yeah,
I think that was the thing. And we're not hating
on Hurts, but like, it's so hard to explain this
to someone who doesn't watch a lot of film objectively.
(43:27):
He doesn't play the quarter position quarterback position in a
conventional way. He holds onto the ball for a really
long time, right, doesn't anticipate throw as well.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
And he got two guys on a side that could
beat one on one coverage.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And you have to play them in man coverage because
to stop the run, and he can win that matchup.
And I think, like, and the defenses, what the defense
last year was the best defense since the Baltimore Ravens
probably in two thousand. Like so to say, like I
almost like I meant I made this as a joke early,
But think about it. If you put healthy Kirk Cousins
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on that roster.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
They wins. Anything changed, they win, change they win, right,
they win.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
And that's the only reason why I can say that
when we hear guys like Cam speak out about it,
although I didn't. I didn't like his take on it,
but I understood. I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I do believe. I believe in Hurts. I like him,
I don't.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
I don't take nothing from him because he has a dynamic,
you know, or damn avengers around him when it comes
to skill skill skill guys and then office a line,
you know.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
But I will say, if I had to compare.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Him amongst the other guys that was slotting in front
of him, he doesn't pair up. He doesn't match up
with what they do better than him. Yeah, And that's
what kind of I think Cam was trying to.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
You know, this is why we always gave the goat
Tom Brady more loved than we gave Peyton Manning because
Peyton had Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Andrew James,
and Tom.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Brady would come out there with Dion Branch and the field.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
But I will say this too though, with Tom Brady,
the first couple of Super Bowls was defense and field
goal kicks, you know what I mean, and running the ball.
But that's how you got to win games. It don't
matter however you do. It's a team sport. So that's
why I say, like, that's like us having an argument
with Lebron James and when he went back to Cleveland.
You see these guys when they try to move the
gold post with him in the goat discussion, Oh well
(45:22):
that's a Kyrie championship one.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Kyrie made that shot. Who cares. That's like me getting
to the super Bowl and having no yards, but I
bought all saves. I got you there.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
So that's you can't you can't take nothing away from
guys because of what they have or don't have, as
long as they got the job done.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You see what I'm saying. So that's how I feel
about Hurts.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
He got the job done, so I ain't taking nothing
away from him, But comparing amongst these other guys, they
have super powers that he don't have.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And I think this is gonna sound like I'm heading
on Hurts. And I like Hurts.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I like the leadership, I like the physicality, I like
the competitor. Right, as a quarterback, I think he has
some issues. Right, there is no way with Dan Moore
as your offensive coordinator, right, that's his name, Dan Moore,
the guy. Huh, Kellen Moore, the tackles Dan Moore Kellen Moore, right,
and you have a J Brown Stevante Smith that you
(46:13):
should have games where you're throwing for under one hundred
and fifty yards.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Dada was goddard, don't forget him. Yeah, you got one
of the better receiving running backs. Like Saquon is a
weapon as we're seen, and.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I know that's not how they're built necessarily, but like
you should never go like there was. There are points
in the season every year with Philadelphia where they're throwing
for one hundred and fifty yards, their defense gets two
turnovers and Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Last year rushed for und yards And so who's who's.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
The weakest link in that equation? And again, I love
the leadership, love how he inspires his teammates like that.
The coldest thing about the Super Bowl last year to
me was when he's walking into the tunnel and it's
Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City, Philly and he and
then they go do what they did. Yeah, like he
he plays well in big moments.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
But I just that's him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
But it's hard for me to look at that and say.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
That's why I say you can't be you can't be
you can't be sad or or or you can't be
upset when you hear people don't give him the credit.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Give him his credit like far As in Top five.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
But when you're a super Bowl winning guy and you
you've been there twice and you outplayed the guy who
won it once and who you beat the next time
both times, you gotta give him some kind of credit.
Thats why I say he deserves something. Yeah, but listen,
this is how we know his passing was not all there.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
When your guy pulls out a book on the sideline,
that means like something's going on.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
They did say that he'd been doing it all year long.
They did say he was going and that was from
the receivers. That was that that was around him. They
say he been reading the whole year man. Yeah, but
we know it was an underline. That just shows you
that something going on with aj Brown meant psychologically like
he he got a little something he needed to check
because he he got to calm himself down with a
book in the middle of a game.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
He gotta lift to oism, he gotta letter I like
I like him too, boy, because he'll pit bull yeah,
you play.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
And so just again to kind of end this comparison
and like kind of hype, Jane Dane is up a
little bit. Yeah, So you got a guy played twenty games,
sixty eight point four completion percentage, right, Hurts was ninety
sixty sixty nine. But then he threw for forty three
hundred yards, right, thirty touchdown passes, ten interceptions. That's diabolic,
(48:24):
And then you're like, oh, that's pretty good. But he
also rushed for a thousand yards, yes, seven.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Rushington you know one thing you didn't say about it.
He's a rookie. Yeah, and he clutch you know, I
can't clutch wheels.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
And if you want to compare that to Hurts, Hurts
only had thirty six hundred yards passing twenty three touchdowns.
He only rushed for one hundred, eight hundred and twenty
four eight hundred and twenty four yards. Like the numbers
when you look at them on paper, are MVP caliber numbers.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I think the.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Question that I come back to is like he was
so good last year, like he was like can he
improve on that? Kitty cracked the top five?
Speaker 4 (49:02):
I think he can improve because as legit as a
passer as he is.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think he would say I left some yards on
the field.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
So I think now that everything's finna really slow down
for him, and that silent confidence wonders that he wouldn't
throw in last year, he gonna throw in those.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Wonders right now.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
And not only that, just with the protection thing, you know,
being upgraded, now that's key. Now you're getting more guys
out in the passing routes, and now he can take
advantage of of I guess you could say a deeper
arsenal a matchup.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
And also knowing this, they only gonna play me in zone.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
He found, Like I think as the year went on
last year, he started to realize, everybody plays me the same.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
You know what I'm you know what?
Speaker 5 (49:43):
You know what I'm asking right now going into the season,
how much we make them do something that they don't
want to do defensively with his abilities, Like what what.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Are we planning to do to say I want you,
I dare you to do this? You see what I'm saying,
He handicaps courtinated nobody.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
I'm just saying, I want to know how we're gonna
use our that that that gift, that we have with
our quarterback, now that we dictate, Now that we like
we all talking about being dictators, you know what I mean,
and not allowing the team to dictate what we have
to do. Do we come off the bat say ideare
you to get out there and just sit back?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Think they would rp O come.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
You know what's crazy though, is like Tanny, you said this,
like there were times last year where like just as
an example, like Arizona played drop eight right next team
brings all out and he just was like, oh cool,
Like look at Detroit. Detroit is a great example, Like
they pressured him higher.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Than any rate.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
They had twelve people hurt on you.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
But I'm saying like he was like, oh, you're gonna
pressure me. I know the answer.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Oh you're gonna play drop eight. I'm gonna be patient.
I'm gonna bits like I came. I left the year
being like the only way to defend this guy is
to win with four rushers it and play some type
of tight man coverage or match coverage on.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Them, saying you have to rush for you to play,
you had to play true match.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Like the way Philly does.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yes, and and then you then the other thing is
like he played teams with match coverages and birth then.
But like when you've got the horses that Philly has,
like that's a little challenging.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, Like I don't. I didn't see anything last year
that gave him.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
And and Philly didn't give him a fix because we
was right there if we want he was. So it's
just like, oh, man, like you know, and.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I guess it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
The other thing I want to ask you guys is
how does his improvement? How does that start in training camp?
I think that's what do you want to see from him?
Speaker 3 (51:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
Yeah, And that's a great question because we was asking
that question earlier. And like I said before, I'm not
big on man. Wow me, I feel like I've been
wild already. I want to see, now how much can
he add on to what he's already done?
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Just progressions, you know.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
What I mean, Like like little progressions by we already
talked about him. He's a leader now, like he's now
people looking up. It's not it's no longer our young
young Whooper snapper quarterback in the committee?
Speaker 2 (51:52):
What something? I mean?
Speaker 5 (51:52):
You know what I'm saying, Like he's that guy and
not only that when the playbook opens up a little
bit more where where Cliffs said, I'm finish, go on
my bag a little more. How much more better he is?
How much that how much better that's gonna make him?
Being that now I have a little more that I
can work with setting and being confined to these certain
places because we don't have to, we don't have the
(52:13):
skill set up. I think the people that's finna benefit
from his maturation is the number three and number four
receiver because we had to keep them in and chip
a little bit tight end chip back Chip. I think
now because he's gonna be able to open up the playbook, Kim,
I mean Kingsbury, the third and the fourth receiver, I'm
gonna start to really get off in this offense like
(52:35):
they're start.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
They're gonna start to be game breakers because with JD.
Five as your quarterback, my third receiving fourth receiver gonna
be better than your third and fourth cornerback, and I'm
gonna be able to whoop him like a drug.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
The other exciting thing for me is that I think
Cliff Kingsbury and the rest of this offensive staff know
how to get it done. You know what, I'm saying,
like they're gonna find a way to say, hey, we
were really good in quick game, really good at RPO,
really good at zone read. Let's kind of worked that
five step drop now, so three and a hitch from
the gun, Like, let's attack the middle of the field more.
We got Larry me here, we can fifteen rat rook
(53:07):
And so I think that's the thing. I'm excited to
see him kind of take that next step on And
I'm glad that there's a steward here in Cliff Kingsbury
who's gonna help him get that done. And I think
he really understands Jaden's strengths and weaknesses and it is
gonna facilitate that at a really high level. So all
that starts down in training camp. And again it's cool
to kind of watch it and kind of see the
(53:28):
wrinkles that they're adding and see the little things that
are going on. Curious to see what actually sticks for
the season. Yeah, but yeah, man, training camp, it's an
exciting time.
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
We're live a training camp.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Look at the beautiful day out here.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
We got our first day report. We did well, a
lot of a lot.
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Of things to talk about, techniques, defenses.
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I'm Logan Paulson here with Fred Smooth Santanamos, and we
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The elements in the elephants.
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We're fighting through it. Man, there's a little bugs out here,
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Speaker 3 (00:49):
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Speaker 1 (00:50):
We're gonna talking about that today, and you know how
I didn't feel, Guys, just to be out here real quick,
like first day kind of get the juices going a little.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Bit, kind of you know what, I kind of had jeelters,
like really had training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Like you know how you get anxious, like the two
days before training camp? Do you get anxious still?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I used to get anxious, and I think it wasn't
about training camp. It was about the conditioning test. I
just get anxious about the conditioning test because it was
like a hump that you got to get over just
you had a right to practice training camp.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Do you feel that same way? I always had anxiety.
I mean, you know the condition about the test. You
might look at a guy like me and say, well, Tanner,
you run for days, yes, but that test is like
no other and no matter how much you train, no
matter how hard you work, even on that little break
we get before we came back, how many days I
took out of having fun and just to make sure
(01:40):
I'm ready for that test. I still was never ready
until I got got it all you know, put you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Know, put behind me.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
But today I was excited that football has finally Yeah,
I mean it's back. I think I've been watching other
teams go out here and watching you know TV and
seeing some of these other teams practices, but to finally
see our guys out here on the field.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Give me that notion. That is time and anxius yet
to see. Can they pick up where they lift out
last year?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like we ended on such a high last year, so
to me, the standards have went to a whole other
level now, like they showed us the floor last year,
now even trying to show us the ceiling.
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Speaker 1 (04:49):
So now let's get back to the thing we all
want to talk about, which is the training camp stuff.
And Ten already started kind of started us off, and
like how he felt coming out here, Fred, you said
you were a little bit nervous. Tanny you said you were, Yeah,
I mean you said before we kind of had to
get side tracked with the housekeeping. You said you wanted
to know what the new ceiling is. Yes, where do
you think the new ceiling is for the team?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, you're talking about a team that got four quarters
away from the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like the ceiling is the super Bowl. Like this is
how they feel.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
They feel like we got a super Bowl a head coach,
super Bowl ownership, super Bowl quarterback. They feel like we
have a chance to be a legit threat. I think
that's where the ceiling is right now. Like I think
for anything besides getting to the back to the MC championship,
and I know that's sitting the bar high, but I
just think that's where this team met.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You went and refortified the offensive line, You went and
refortified the defensive line. You got help on the outside
with d bo seremonies. You win't got dB help with
Trey Amis Will. Like you said, we're finna go for
it now. And you know how it is when you
get great quarterbacks on their rookie deal, that window is
so big. And I think what they're doing right now
(05:57):
is like the kids say they shooting, they shot.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, you feel or I do.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think you're always a little bit more measured.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, I'm you know, I'm never gonna be Fred. But
I think he make a great point. I think they
basically showed you this is this is what we expect
of ourselves, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
What I mean. I mean when you go do what
they did last year.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Now we all know, you know, as as ball player especially,
you know, being in those moments or them situations that
we saw them in last year. It's never two years
you can put together that's the same.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's never. It's never.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's never a year you can say, well, we're gonna
look like this next year. People sitting here saying, well,
you know, I don't think they're gonna be that good
because six of those games they won was in the
last second. And and then I sell those same folks, well,
you're right, we're not gonna have to wait that long
this time, and we'll go out there and maybe dominate
the game a little differently. So I look at it
like that, like this team has the potential to do
whatever they want to do. I think when you saw
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what they did in this offseason, they were out there
and got key players that we was weak at last year.
And now not to say that that's gonna make a
major or drastic change, but we're hoping to. So with
that being said, this is where it all starts at.
It's here in training camp.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, and I'm really glad you brought that up, Tanne,
because one of the things you said that I think
is so important for fans to understand is no team
back to back is the same team. And so the
thing that got me excited coming in today to work
was to kind of see the first steps. Obviously you
got OTAs you get mini camp, but to see the
first step of that journey happen today and see them
kind of attack the fundamentals. Right, we're not thinking Super Bowl,
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We're thinking about foundational stuff. Yeah, we're thinking about like
you know, we got to watch for the field pass
segment for Command Center, we got to watch Ryan Kerrigan
go through his run block progression, like how you get
hands out first and you work to shed, then you
work to pull through. And I think, like, that's the
thing that's going to make this team good is if
you can lock it on the little details, and again
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it starts today, like that gives you an opportunity to
kind of to make this iteration of the team the
one that goes to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But I like the fact that we can see he
in hand his conversation if we would try to I
had this conversation two years ago. Nobody takes a serious
like having this conversation. Now it's a very serious conversation.
So they just tell you right now we're headed in
the right direction regardless of Super Bowl and not no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I think the other thing that I think we're all
excited about is on Paper ten and you talked about
this too, they've made some really key additions, and I
think we'll start on the defensive side of the football.
And you know on Instagram, Twitter, the comments of these shows,
like everyone's asking like, how do you stop the run?
And I think you see an awareness by Adam Peters
in terms of the guys they brought in. You bring
in Kinlog, bring in Runchdown, you're bringing Dietrich Wild, bring
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good defensive football players that our gaps sound. And I
think that's got to be the start of it. But
that's only the start, right for this.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
To start, because this first down, like what they say
it now is we want to win first down, like
we want to win first down, which is usually a rundown.
We want to win it down, so we force you
to pay it. Now, we go signce situations, pay as well.
Is like Vonon Miller, and we got Frankie Louvu. Now
we're gonna send the past rushers after you. I think
what we seen, what we're seeing right now is is
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a validation of what the NFC Championship Game showed Adam
Peters what this roster really was. Yeah, he said, I
got to go get bigger, I got to go get stronger.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I got to go get guys that have a select.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Skill set so when we need them, they can be
used and we can weaponize them.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And we went got bigger. We win.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Got bigger on the offensive line, we win't got bigger
on the defensive line. We want to win first down
on both sides of the football.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
So tell me something, how much bigger did we get
on the defensive side of the ball. Because it's kind
of odd for a person who played a skill set
as a receiver to look at the guys that we
had last year and say, well, we was pretty big.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, how little were we last year compared to the
guys we got this year.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't even know if it's bigger. I mean like
de trich Wise plays defensive end, he's three hundred pounds.
He's three hundred pounds. And then Eddie Goldman is like
a true nose, there's three and twenty pound. I think
he's like three forty Like he's a bigger old.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
So basically it's about having the key guys for those
key positions. Look, you just said a true nose. When
you have a true nose, you want you want.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
A log deal. You want him to be unmovab.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, you want a guy who could just put his
damn anchor in the ground and say I won't move.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You're gonna have to double me to get me off
the point.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And I think you look at kid like the addition
of ken Law too, like what that means in terms
like he is a watching him every we saw him
in OKAS.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
But dude, he is a huge.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That can move.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
He's an eighteen wheeler, that's what he is. And versatile.
He can play nose three. He can play d n
if you need him too. So he's versatile. I think
we did. We got bigger and stronger. When you bring
Laraman thoss over, he becomes your anchor on the offensive. Tackle,
you go get Connanly another three hundred pounds, you moving
Coleman inside.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
We got bigger on both sides of the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And I think the other thing too.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was talking to Flutch today about defense, you know,
and like kind of some of the stuff that he
saw last year in terms of what it was like
to play a middle linebacker, and he's like, yeah, man,
like getting guys in here that have the ability to
sit a double team, the ability to make sure that
the linebacker is cleaning the football. Yes, And when you
look at the guy that's playing linebacker Forrest and Bobby
Wagner and Frankie Louvo, like he needs it. You're not
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going to find a guy who's who's more consistent as
a tackler. But he needs the front four guys to
play good ball. And so I think that to Tanna's point,
like you bring in a guy that they are bigger, yes,
but they also know how to do that stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
What I need, how are we going to take.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
On this tight end block or this this out block
by the tackle? I need to set an edge right
that forces the ball back to Deran, who's done a
great job throughout his career of beating guards and holding
this gap that forces the ball back one at a
time to Bobby Bobby, and Bobby can't run sideline and
sideline anymore. And he had to do a lot last
year because guys aren't worth there and and.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Did a great did a great job at it for
being what thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, So we can make it easier for him,
as what I'm saying, because you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Want to make sure he's tackling inside the hash. They
get outside the hash didn't mean somebody's not doing a job.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think that's exactly right. So I think you got
a bunch of guys, five guys, six guys in that
defensive front that are gonna be like specialty run stoppers,
you know. And so then I think that leads to
the next point with the defense is like ton of
fans say where's the pass rush coming from? And now
you look at it and say, man, like, I think
Dorin's Armstrong is pretty good pass rusher.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Listen down the scratch last year and in the playoffs,
especially when they moved him inside and I'm passing down.
He showed you I can do this. And I think
his slow start came from him having an injury. So
I'm gonna show you I can go out here and
be one on one. Do you bring in von Miller
without saying he can go be one on one? Doron Payne,
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I think I'll get back to nail it. Juson Newton
is the one when I say pass rush, especially from
the interior, that I'm very excited to see this year.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, because he's healthy and like Tanner, you talked about that,
You've talked about that maybe I'm sure on the show
at some point, but like the idea that he is
coming off an injury, and like you came off an
injury your first year and just how you didn't really
have that opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Like get your self established.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Because he's obviously like he was a borderline first round talent,
and same honestly, same thing with Ken Law.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
He's been a little bit nicked up early in the
spirit too.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So now, like, can those guys be healthy, can they
actualize their athleticism and potential? I think that's a huge
if they can. Yeah, that's gonna be a big deal
for the past run.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I mean, we all been players and we take it
for granted, how much and a true offseason could help
you out as a player. I remember the year that
in twenty ten, your first year, I was coming off
of a knee surgery and I didn't practice with you
guys into training camps, but I was in the pool
the whole that whole time in the OTAs, and I
remember training camp. When I finally got out there, I
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was a little butter ball that was two hundred plus
pounds when I normally played at one ninety. And just
that little bit of weight that I carried because I
went out.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
There, I went out your whole game. It changed my game.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Now to add to that, I went out there and
still dominated that season, had another thousand yard year. But
just imagine me without that weight, I probably would have
had an extoring numbers, you know what I mean. So
when you see these guys coming off of those seasons
being productive but had to deal with something early, like
a guy like Newton Man, especially being.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
A rookie and having to deal with that, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
So now having all that knowledge that he got from
last season, saw how rigorous that game, I mean, the
season was. To a young guy to come into this
year knowing this off seasons is behind him, I can't
wait to see him.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think we're all super excited.
I'm excited to see Ken Long. I'm excited to see
Deron like in an expanded role. I mean, it's just
an exciting opportunity. And I think one guy that Fred
mentioned that I think it's going to be a lot
of fun to talk about. And we did like a
feature on him on our Live our Live Training Camp
show is Von Miller. And one of the things that
sticks out to me is like he's older, He's thirty
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six years old, but I mean he's still got some really.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
High level mo right.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
He last year he was timed with a one second
one point three second get off one point four yah
put like this. He ranked number one of all edge
rushers on getoff time. Yeah, so in thirty six years old,
his first step is still the fancies first step is
a past rushing in the league right now.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And people say, how is that possible?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And I will say, like, when you watch him, and
this is the thing I think that makes him special
and I'm excited to see how his knowledge integrates with
the room.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Is like you know, obviously there's a get off for
like a race like out of the blocks.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
And One of the things that sticks out to me
about Vonn is he knows how to anticipate a snap count, yes,
better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So he might not have like the true horsepower anymore,
but his knowledge, his ability to understand where the tackle's
at is a big deal. Like just watching him move
around in these drills, like how easy it is for him,
you see, like why like why he was maybe the
most dominant defensive player of his era. And I think about,
like how you're going to use that here? Yeah, and
it fits something that's such an acute need with.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
You got a specialist with a with a special set
of skills, like my guy sees he has a special
set of skills. And this is why it was so
important to get big on first down. So it allows
him to come in on third down and do what
he does best and this.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Rush to pass.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
And not only that, I mean if he's caught in
one of those downs where they want to decide to
say run the ball, this guy he's been there, done that,
you know. I mean, he's played every down before to
know that, Okay, I might not came pin in my
ears back now I have to go out here and
set his edge yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And again just watching him move around, like gosh, man,
it's gonna be cool, especially if you can keep him on,
Like I think about how well they handled Zach Eris
to handle ditch count.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, to handle Austin in terms of.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Pitch count, like they know how to deal with that
older player, Like if you can get the best version
of him on third down, Like think about if he
ends up with rushing every third down two minute in
the game scenario, like it ends up with eight sacks,
like that is a tremendous signing for this team.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Oh no, if he go eight sex like this the
one thing, it's sex by committee, Like that's the great
thing about this will probably be the first time that
he's been on a team that we don't need you
to lead to the team even sex for us to.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Win, Like we need you to be efficient and we
need you to unlock everybody else.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
In the past, Ruts Meanie teams played Washington, they gonna say,
we gotta stop Bun Miller on third down.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Frankie Loofo coming from and if June New coming from
the mill.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And Frankie you know he he does specially drill bos
security drill and then he comes right over with the
pass rushers, so he's getting work in both spots and
like it's cool to see them kind of. And then
once the past work is done, he goes over and
does off fall linebackers stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's phenomenal just to see him on the field. Man,
he he ignites the defense. To me, you know, we
talked about the last year how he this was one
of those I guess he was like, that's that spark
plug for us energy talking about a locking a guy.
If you can bring in somebody else to unlock him more,
it's gonna be a long season for a lot of teams.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I think von Miller does because Von is gonna receive
the attention. And that's why I say we don't need
vun to lead the team in sex for us to
win Super Bowl, be a winning team.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And you know, we were talking with Fletch today on
the Command Center show and one of the things that
stuck out to me is he was like, I'm not
worried about the secondary.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I'm worried about the pass rush.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And for me it's the other way around because I
look at and I say, like man, durrence Armstrong had
like eight sacks last year seven sacks. I don't remember
the exact number, but like he can rush the passer.
You put him next to Vaughan that's gas. Then you
got Deron Ken lodgers On on the interior, like you're
gonna be able to rush the pastor what I say.
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And then one of the things about Frankie is I
think he's a much better blitzer than he is an
edge rusher, and now he can do that at a
high level and say good luck to any running backers
they got to block him. So to me, I'm like, man,
if that all comes together the way it sounds like
it will on paper, that's gonna be special. I think
that all starts with that von Miller signing. So kudos
to Adam Peters for getting that done. We're gonna talk
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about individual players here more in a second, but one
thing I wanted to ask you about is Dan talked
a lot today about progressing guys the right way and
making sure that they stay healthy through training camp. And
so one of the things that I thought was brilliant
is that they started with red zone today. He was
why would they do that? That's like a more advanced
thing work situational football and it's because it shortens the field. Yes,
like you expose yourself as a receiver to injury longer
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when we're running long routes. And so I thought, man,
what a great day, What a great way to make.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Sure who did the study behind it? They give him
to do that, because that's smart.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
That's amazing that you know what you're doing also too,
and I didn't mean to cut you off. You're actually
building me up to now have that longer, you know,
y'all is to cover, you know, like if you get
me out there and give me reps now short, my
body is now acclimating, acclimating too the field to how
much I'm pounding.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Then the every day I can now expand.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
That, you know what I mean, do more because you
still keep the same number of reps. Like I was impressed,
Like they did. Probably I want to say it was
like a twenty five minute like they broke it up.
It was like a seven on seven then a team
red zone, but it was back to back, so they're.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Not cutting reps.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But like, because the field is short, you can really
stick in there. The intensity is high, very high, but
like the distances are lower, so all those like hamstrings
adductor soft tissue thing. Yeah, are kind of kept in
the bag. And I just think, like, you know, it.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Keeps the fatigue down and the work stays good.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, but the work stays sharp, fast burst, quick burst
back to work, quick burst back to work, not long gated,
because come on, think about this. If I'm checking Tanna,
we in cover one, Tanner run a go route. Me
and Tanner got to run that fifty yards, but we
gotta run fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Back, running back and then line up again and go
to the hut and do it again, and your body's
just not ready.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So I'm ready for that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I think just the way to ensure we got health.
And then the other thing I love about it too, guys,
is that it puts the quarterbacks in a tough spot
day one. Yeah, it's not like, hey, we're running stick,
We're running dragon double stand on the backside.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
When does that be yeah, we got.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
It's almost like you're basically it's funny that we look
at it like when you really look at it, it's like, Okay,
I'm gonna save everybody else's legs, but.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm gonna make my quarterbacks think out the gate. Yes.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
So now the more and more I give them, it'll
get it easier for him thinking because he have more
to read, you know what I mean. So and then
and being that the quarterbacks are the hardest position on
the field, that's a great way to go about it
because now you put everything to him. You give him
that that quiz first day of school, and say everybody else,
you guys, just see him watch right now.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You don't take in photo your that's unique. Man.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I think the other thing about Jayden talking about
we haven't really talked about him a lot, but like
he just looks so sharp, like his ability to get
like it's the it's the quick Like I had a
guy Kyle Shanahan actually told me this one time. He
was like, I was like, what makes Jimmy Garoppolo so good?
He's like he's got one of the quickest releases I've
ever seen. And so when you watch Jaden in the
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red zone, like, man, that's a tough first day, that's
a tough sat. But that ball is out of his
hands so quick. He anticipates throws so well. It's just
like you see what makes him special.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I think what makes him specially is the person man
to have the best Rooky season of any quarterback of
all time. And he did not go on Baker Mayfield
in the off season. And when I say Baker Mayfield,
it's that you wasn't seeing them in commercials. It was
just like, man, I'm going back to work, I don't
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really care about That just blows me how grounded this
kid is, how aware? Like the one thing we use
it lacking our twenties is awareness like this.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, yes, well I think too.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You give a lot of creditism mom because she's always there,
so you know, and that's one thing that we didn't have.
Don't get me wrong. We all had parents, that all
had moms. But once we left the house at eighteen college,
it was a rap. When I'm turning twenty one, you couldn't.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I can't expect my twenty one year old kids now.
And I got a twenty one year old and a
twenty five year old. I can't expect them to take
on the things I did at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I feel like I was light years ahead of
where they built it.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
You know, they steal my babies at twenty one and
twenty five, twenty one, twenty five, I was telling my
mom and them all, hey, go get this.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I got this for you, go pick it up.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Like I was almost calling shots, and not to say
for them, but for myself.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
You know what I mean. My kids ain't calling no shots.
I gotta tell you what it is.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
It's crazy how these kids and just how the years
just changed in time with kids and how much we
can give them and how much we can't give them.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, also think you guys are good dads. So you
guys have provided really well for him. This is a
we're taking the side little parent compliment for Fred and Tanna.
You guys provide for your kids. Think about you were
providing for your family when you're in you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, the dynamics different now for sure. So
the other guy I want to talk about that I
noticed the team was our guy Kiinlaw.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
He he's a mountain. He's the mountain like like so.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't know, like it's hard to know every down
what he's doing. He plays defensive tackle and this is
how he played in New York. That's how he played
in Francisco. Like when he flashes, it's like a freaking
lightning bolt.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's like bully ball.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, when he decides I'm finna go one percent debo
on these guys and take their like he looks.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
The part, and so to me, it's just like, how
can this coaching staff get him to do some of
that stuff instead of But do.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
You think do you think with the way they played
the guys last year and the year before were particularly
last year, how they rotation, rotation, rotating these guys, you
will you will get the best of him every time than.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
You will because that I think you don't get the
best kill erw when he low energy, when he when
he uh gasping for air. Like with this rotation, I
think it have them sharp, like I gotta make airplay count.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Yeah, because you have one of those defenses where I
think they just have so many bodies they have to
put on the field at times for key moments to
where you don't have to primarily just have a guy
out that is to be out there.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I mean, we played on teams where I ain't never.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
See some of our guys come off the field on
defense and you know they was getting it behind, you know,
tossed around.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know what I'm saying. We have a defense here
now that any given play.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
He could be could super guy and he could go
out there.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And make a play, you know, make an impact.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, And so just to see his power, like like
here's a player today he bulls the guard and like
it was a you know ever seen like a fast
ball where the guards are completely on skates? Yes, and
you're like, who is Oh, it's killer. Like if you
can get him to do that instead of two every
ten plays like every four every ten or five like
fifty percent, like I don't know, man, like that becomes
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a really devastating piece for the You.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Know how I feel about interior pass rush.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I know you do.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I feel like it's the most effective disruptive thing that a.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Defense could get.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And even when I bless lineback because I want to
bless him through the A gap and I can't wait
to see your guy from UC lak Madronal Like that's
my that's my players crush right now of this off
season right now.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I just think the guy got it all.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
And I think once he gets the rolling in this league,
you know how some guys get to the league unassuming,
but then when you see him.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Play, you're like, ah, that's a twelve year pro like
some he just got.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
This feel to me of once I unlock this skill, said,
y'all gonna realize I can do everything.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Hey, he's gonna be up to you, coach to figure
out what I do best.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, and he's a guy that you know, you said
he's got everything. I think he's got to improve as
a tackler a little bit. But in terms of movement skills, man,
that dude he just glided.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
How do you how do you get better at than?
When you a guy that he has enough football behind him.
We know he played receiver at one point. We know
he played phenomenally last year, you know, being a I
guess you can say linebacker, slash safety, whatever position he played. Yeah,
now you're in the league and you say he still
need a little you know, upgrade on technique and wont.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
To this tackle.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But what I will say this too, like talk about
it like we talked about it with maybe on the
show on the Command Center show that's working on technical development, Like, hey,
Ryan Kerrigan's talking about hands on the run fits. This
is how it's like basic stuff every single day, this time,
over and over a tackling drow Yeah, every day.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So I know I played for ten years.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You guys played for long times also, like I played
for teams, but that was never even a thing, and
every single day.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
They said you should already had his baseline in the minu.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And so for me, I look at the way dan
Quinn has structured practice, the way the coaches emphasized things,
and you're gonna get looks every day to improve your tackling.
So let's make that happen. And I think, like, talk
about just the perfect environment for a guy who's got
every kind of athletic ability. You want every as get
your tackling better. Like that's something we focus on and
we prioritize.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I know this is this is a big name I'm
finna throw out there, but every time, because I found
myself the other day. I just looked at some k
Madrono highlights I just did, and I was like, man,
this dude picks balls off and running back like Derek Brooks.
You know how Derek Brooke played in space in that
Tempa two. It ain't nothing you could do in front
of Brooks that he ain't have an answer for this dude.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I've seen him.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
He's got the ball skills too.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I seen this guy. They did a play action. He
runs into the defensive line, bags out, picks the ball off,
runs it back hops ober.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Dude before he gets to the Nebraska Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I like, you know what this athletic?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, and so he's he's one of a bunch of
other rookies. You know, we're watching kind of while we're
filming the shows. Any other rookies do you guys like.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Trey Games making some noise out there. I like loud rookies.
I like long coners. I just think I think he's
always no I think he, you know how some guy
like he fits. He's a pro.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think he feels like he's an instant pro. He's
like instant grits. Put it in the micro wave. Give
me them grits.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You know, laying gonna always stick out to me, not
to didn't it and not all? And I think he did.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I didn't see the touchdown, but I just saw him
at one play he had where Ignagi had great coverage
on him.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And people take that for granted. When you're on a team,
when your secondary is good like our secondary, you have
no choice but to get.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Better at that position at at the receive a position,
and you know as a whole, so to have a
young guy with with with his caliber, his skill set,
I think he's gonna be shoppering this whole training camp
to be one of those guys when you see him
getting the game this preseason, Yeah, be well, those guys
on the other side of him, they're gonna get a
they gonna get something, Tody, they're not gonna expect because
our secondary is so good over here that he's gonna
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be ready like a regular season game by the time
he plays in the preseason.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I think that's a great point Tender. And I think,
you know, like the same thing with Cain Lane Connorley,
to a certain extent, all these guys are a little
bit developmental, you know, and so I think that's one
of the things about training camp he talked about, like
how we felt about training camp. I'm excited to see
where those guys are today and if by the end
they're who we think they can, if they've got like
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a roll carved out for them.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm never worried about who you are when training camp starts.
I'm never I'm not high on that. I want to
see you get just.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That much better every day. And if I could see that,
like you know, some rooks they just they gonna come ready.
Some guys, I'm fresh at the box. I'm ready to play.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Put me in coach.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Some guy need to get the field of high fast
his game. He is before they like really unlocked their
skill set.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, totally, I mean I think, and that's something I
can't wait to see. And again, like even with like
Connorley Man, the way he moves is special, but he's
still got a lot a lot of technical stuff to
work on. And again, like not not to say he's
playing bad or anything like that, it's just to be
looks like to be a stud. Like he's got to
be a stud. And so that's gonna be cool to
see where those guys go. The other couple of big names,
I didn't see a lot of debo, just because we're
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kind of doing two things at once smash on the
same thing. The one guy that did stick out to
me was laring me Tunsel. Yeah, just like how easy
it is for him.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
To He's amendment there too, so it's not hard for him,
you know, to stake out.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
His footwork and the way he kind of just is
in good relationship to the rusher all the time. Always
like he had a rep against Franken and I think
Frank's pretty good pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, And it was like kind of like he was
sleeping through the rep. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
He reminds me of Champ Bailey when I got and
me and Champ would be in the hood and that
I just one day, I just kept looking at him.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm like, this dude is never age. I never scratched out.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
He's lar because I played with Laram and Houston and
that's just how he is. Like no one, No, I've
never seen a rusher like freaking out.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like round at him like ever.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And they cool come they called it quiet, confident, like
I'm fine, I'm good in my skin. I understand how
you trying to take me, and I'm just gonna let
you come get it like them game change in athletes
right there.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Absolutely, so really excited about him, Really excited about that
offensive line seat that group comes together. You know, only
one day of practically being able to watch so far.
So as we watch more, we'll give you updates and
things like that. But really excited. And I think now
we can transition to kind of more Jade Daniels centric
talk j D fact because he's been in the news
quite a bit for good things, for good things, for
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good things. And it's him and another guy in the division,
and they're getting a lot of comparison to each other.
And so we're gonna play a game of hell yeah
or hell that was good, dude, that was really good.
You guys are like locked in on that.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And so basically Jane Daniels versus Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
And so the first thing we're gonna start off with
is Jalen Daniels is the fifth fifth best quarterback in
the NFL. Nick Shook from nfl dot Com said he's
the fifth best quarterback in the NFL. Just to give
you some context on that.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
That's like Joe.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Eddie where
you want.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
And right there. And so like those first four dudes
are like generationally good.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Hold up, I have to ask you this. Yeah, where
was Pat Mahomes in this?
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think it was two?
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I agree twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, So Jason's good, Lamar's one, two is Allen, three
is Borrough and golf.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Oh my gosh, I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
They have pet in the.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Mahomes is after Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, alright, I pet did hal here him? For anybody else?
That'll be an up year. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
But in no world, in no world that I live on,
I don't care if it's Mars. Do you say Jered
Golf over Pat Mahon?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
But Jared Goff had to good your list year, had
a good year, but ran into us.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah, but I look at it like this, we just
asked him question about did this hell yeo?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Hell no? Right yeah by Jaden Ben in twenty four?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I say hell yeah, because arguably without him getting hurt
last year, he probably would have been in the runners
for MVP.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
So I say yes, hell yeah, ude, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I know it sounds crazy like we're homers, but I
think empirically, you look at the stats.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
You look at what he did for the team. You
look how he carried the team.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You look at the plays that he made, The fourth
down percentages, the third down percentage unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
With big time. We don't win a lot of them
games without him, Like he was an absolute maniac.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
He was a catalyst to winning. What do y'all need
me to do today? Rush four hundred, I got you
what you need me to do? Pinpoint pass for three hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I got you? What about fourth down? Were the best
in the league? Because I got you?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
So yes, this is what I'm more like. I don't
think his passing shocked me. I don't think his running
shocked me. The ice water in his kid's veins too,
like he never got overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Logan ever to me, and this kind of piggybacks off
your point. It's like the consistent decision making games on
the line. I make the right decision third down, I
make the right decision. Fourth down, I make a play
and make it happen.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Like do you know how many veteran quarterbacks I played
with that I walked into that huddle and knew we
finna get.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Off the field.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
You didn't trust him on that down, Like I could
just sit in his eyes that he don't know, Yeah,
you know how to get out of this. And from
where we was watching it at, Logan was on the
field all the time all last year, so he was
a little closer. But from where I was at, he
just saw a guy from how he looked in first quarter,
he looked in the last quarter.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
It never it never never round. It looked like the
play was too big, you know what I mean. It's
just this guy went even when he got nick and
we knew he was nick, I'm like, ah, something in right,
he got up and like kept playing and let's go,
you know what I mean, still was trying to make plays.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
So even in the playoffs, in the NFC Championship game,
he ain't the reason we lost him. Like this dude
had ice water in the NFC Championship game. Do you
know what the Dallas Cowboys that do. If d Prescott
had a litter in ice water, ain't come about the
dough think about it. He had.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
He was so good in the playoffs and even though,
like I said, we lost that game, but we dropped
from the ball to me, he was so good and
we give Jaydon this ball back he gon game for
the be We was down by only eleven and that yeah,
we was on the road.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Right now and jam put that ball into the paint.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
So this is an interesting question because we're talking about
quarterbacks from last year. If you had to rank him
one to ten, yeah, I think we could all do
it together. It doesn't have to be individually, Like how
would we do it like, who's number one. I think
number one for me is probably Lamar.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Last year, to me it was a toss up, you know,
being biased, I would say Lamar, but you can't deny
what Burrow did it?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Burrow did? I think Josh Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
I watched Josh Allen to and I don't take nothing
from Josh. He's easy top three because if you say Lamar,
Burrow and Josh Allen, any one of those guys could
be in that special first second or third they change games.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
So I'm just just for ease of lists, I'm just
gonna go Lamar, Lamar one, Burrow Burrow.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
We go with that, Josh, I mean, Josh, Josh want,
and then we'll give it.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I say Josh because Josh proved to be the ultimate
force mote to play last year compared to his wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That's a great point.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Game.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And then Burrow it's three three, So I mean that
feels obvious because those.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Guys are really good at I got Pat mahomes it for.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Even after last year.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, his dad year is a great year for
every quarters fill win them game without Pat mahoons.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Do you know how many games they wanted last year exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And I think this is the thing that I find interesting,
is I really want to put Jay Danis a five,
like I want to hate on.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
This list, but like he feels to me like last year,
last year. I know it's his rookie year, but I
don't know if I put anybody ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I look at it like this, who is the person
that you say, who made who? Who? Who put their
team in the position to be where they was at?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It would be Jeredoff justin Herbert would be when I
talk about maybe Hurts, yeah, and I don't, And I'm
low Ron Hurts those people.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think he's a more dangerous weapon than those guys.
So I do believe that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I do believe that Hurts.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
I do believe Hurts should get a little credit because
of where their team win as a whole. But then
that's when I go back to what was being said
by him. If you put somebody the else there, do
that team still be really what it was?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And I do believe that, don't you imagine?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Like Kirk Cousinshia, I always say, what's magical about that guy?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
When I see Jalen Hurts was magical by him?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Is he's a quarterback the squad six hundred and he
got Ice warden Icewarden and he's a great leader, but
he has to play this unstoppable. It might be a
touch pushing, whatever you want to call it, but it's unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
So everybody can't do it. We watched Josh Hallen try
all the time.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
They're the closing to us to get the job.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Done well with Josh doing it.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
But I would say, Jad, I'm gonna get JD five because,
like I said before, I can easily have him as
a you know, an MVP guy if he don't get
hurt last year. But the things that he did for us,
and even with him being hurt last year, the way
he would us into those victories Old six games where
we had to come back and last minute and win
those games, even when he went head to head and
and your boy got hurt in that Philly game and
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we end up finding a way to come back like
that alone, to me showed me like this kid is
special because I care less about who you have outside
of you. We talked about this a lot last year
and even started this season off talking about it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Without Terry mcclaurin, who else we had that receiver.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, you know, and it gets to a point where
you say, like we I'll say, when you have that
it guy a pay many everybody, Tom Brady, Drew Brees.
You don't need those many, you don't need special receivers.
You just need to get open. And that's what Jay
and Daniel shows you. I can play with anybody on
the outside because I'm gonna put the ball in a
place where only they can get the ball.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
So Je Daniels five five, and so if you had
to go six.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hurts really hurts with Herbert, I go Hurts, and I'm
gonna go Hurst.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I'm saying, Jared Golf my business.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I go Hurt. I go Hurst because I say Hurst
won it all he can. We can already be saying
we can arguely saying that he.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Was in the top five at quarterbacks because he want
it all. But I I just like all those guys
play better than him, stick handedly by himself. They willed
their team Submitty more than he did last year. You know,
he didn't have to, and they had a phenomenal team.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
And then I go Golf, Then I go Herbert.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, because I feel like coach Harpwall asked Herbert to
do a little bit.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I don't even go Herbert, I go your boy from Tampa.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
You go Baker, Baker Mayfield. I like that, Baker Mayfield
in front of Herbert.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
That's a nice pick. That's a nice pull by you
right there.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I love that. Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
And the other thing. Okay, so we were at I
got said again, Hurts, that's six.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Yep, Baking may Golf, then Baking Mayfield.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I like that, Tanne, and then Jason Herbert. I think
that's good for me. And then who's number ten?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Number ten, number ten? And then that nobody liked to
really get two of those props. Stafford. Oh no, we
might have to read, we might have to redo. Nah,
but Stafford going to I think Stafford right there.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Stafford, with his ability alone, yes, could be easy to
be anywhere from five to ten. But with those other
guys playing as good as they play, they deserve it.
I think we have to just put Stafford at ten, just.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Say Stafford is to do, just to say that we
can't leave him out. This is a dude we left out. Yeah,
we can't leave him out.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, Okay. The other thing that I think is a
lot of fun. So obviously we had JD five above Hurts,
so we think he's better.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And I think a lot of Philly fans don't like that.
And I think Cam Newton got a lot of hate.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
We don't we hate.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
First of all, we don't care about them bleach your
creatures up there in Philip Death You all right, listen.
They hate on Santa claud they hate the Easter Bunny.
Why you worried about him hating us?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
And so producer Jason just asked me a question. Okay,
imagine your Philly ap calls you and offers you JD
for Hurts straight up.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I don't want it.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
First of all, fast, How fast would Philly do that.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Hurts would be here?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Literally in fifteen minutes? Right?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
That Roseman be like, Nah, this gotta be a print
call like this gotta be so you're gonna bring me
a guy that runs just as well but throws better.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, you know what that Philly outfense would look like?
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (41:43):
I think I think also to the only thing the
only thing that that that hurt Hurts arguments a lot
is how long he holds onto the ball. Yeah, and
we know without that phenomenal offenser line and knows you guys.
You know that's like a recipe for disaster for any quarterback.
You know, that's one of the things we talk about.
Where to come to your boy?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Who just went to who just went to the Giants?
Wilson uh Russell, you know what I mean? Like like him? Man?
Speaker 5 (42:11):
You got Winston James? Yeah, hold James like you know.
When when you hold onto that ball too long, you're
not giving yourself a chance to really affect the defense
at their most vulnerable state. You got to get rid
of football. Don't give I care less if they got
everything else covered. But if you get the ball out
of your hands, it's one guy open, and it might
be the check down, might be the tight end, it's
somebody open.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
But you give yourself a chance offensively player.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
The nightmare that just happened in my head was our
po with Jedi five in Saint Quon Barie and you're.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Throwing and it's an r pos so I could.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Or listen to me. To me, that's demos dangerous I
have ever heard in my life. I mean, barbecue chickens.
What you're gonna do you? Isn't that that you can do?
Speaker 1 (43:04):
So to me, like I understand why Philly fans got
their guys back. And Tanna was talking about this before
the show started that they because of Hurts, his leadership,
because of his composure, because of his and again, yeah,
I think that was the thing. And we're not hating
on Hurts, but like, it's so hard to explain this
to someone who doesn't watch a lot of film objectively.
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He doesn't play the quarter position quarterback position in a
conventional way. He holds onto the ball for a really
long time, right, doesn't anticipate throw as well.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
And he got two guys on a side that could
beat one on one coverage.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And you have to play them in man coverage because
to stop the run, and he can win that matchup.
And I think, like, and the defenses, what the defense
last year was the best defense since the Baltimore Ravens
probably in two thousand. Like so to say, like I
almost like I meant I made this as a joke early,
But think about it. If you put healthy Kirk Cousins
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on that roster.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
They wins. Anything changed, they win, change they win, right,
they win.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
And that's the only reason why I can say that
when we hear guys like Cam speak out about it,
although I didn't. I didn't like his take on it,
but I understood. I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I do believe. I believe in Hurts. I like him,
I don't.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
I don't take nothing from him because he has a dynamic,
you know, or damn avengers around him when it comes
to skill skill skill guys and then office a line,
you know.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
But I will say, if I had to compare.
Speaker 5 (44:33):
Him amongst the other guys that was slotting in front
of him, he doesn't pair up. He doesn't match up
with what they do better than him. Yeah, And that's
what kind of I think Cam was trying to.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
You know, this is why we always gave the goat
Tom Brady more loved than we gave Peyton Manning because
Peyton had Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Andrew James,
and Tom.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Brady would come out there with Dion Branch and the field.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
But I will say this too though, with Tom Brady,
the first couple of Super Bowls was defense and field
goal kicks, you know what I mean, and running the ball.
But that's how you got to win games. It don't
matter however you do. It's a team sport. So that's
why I say, like, that's like us having an argument
with Lebron James and when he went back to Cleveland.
You see these guys when they try to move the
gold post with him in the goat discussion, Oh well
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that's a Kyrie championship one.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Kyrie made that shot. Who cares. That's like me getting
to the super Bowl and having no yards, but I
bought all saves. I got you there.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
So that's you can't you can't take nothing away from
guys because of what they have or don't have, as
long as they got the job done.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
You see what I'm saying. So that's how I feel
about Hurts.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
He got the job done, so I ain't taking nothing
away from him, But comparing amongst these other guys, they
have super powers that he don't have.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And I think this is gonna sound like I'm heading
on Hurts. And I like Hurts.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I like the leadership, I like the physicality, I like
the competitor. Right, as a quarterback, I think he has
some issues. Right, there is no way with Dan Moore
as your offensive coordinator, right, that's his name, Dan Moore,
the guy. Huh, Kellen Moore, the tackles Dan Moore Kellen Moore, right,
and you have a J Brown Stevante Smith that you
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should have games where you're throwing for under one hundred
and fifty yards.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
Dada was goddard, don't forget him. Yeah, you got one
of the better receiving running backs. Like Saquon is a
weapon as we're seen, and.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I know that's not how they're built necessarily, but like
you should never go like there was. There are points
in the season every year with Philadelphia where they're throwing
for one hundred and fifty yards, their defense gets two
turnovers and Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Last year rushed for und yards And so who's who's.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
The weakest link in that equation? And again, I love
the leadership, love how he inspires his teammates like that.
The coldest thing about the Super Bowl last year to
me was when he's walking into the tunnel and it's
Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City, Philly and he and
then they go do what they did. Yeah, like he
he plays well in big moments.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
But I just that's him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
But it's hard for me to look at that and say.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
That's why I say you can't be you can't be
you can't be sad or or or you can't be
upset when you hear people don't give him the credit.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Give him his credit like far As in Top five.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
But when you're a super Bowl winning guy and you
you've been there twice and you outplayed the guy who
won it once and who you beat the next time
both times, you gotta give him some kind of credit.
Thats why I say he deserves something. Yeah, but listen,
this is how we know his passing was not all there.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
When your guy pulls out a book on the sideline,
that means like something's going on.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
They did say that he'd been doing it all year long.
They did say he was going and that was from
the receivers. That was that that was around him. They
say he been reading the whole year man. Yeah, but
we know it was an underline. That just shows you
that something going on with aj Brown meant psychologically like
he he got a little something he needed to check
because he he got to calm himself down with a
book in the middle of a game.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
He gotta lift to oism, he gotta letter I like
I like him too, boy, because he'll pit bull yeah,
you play.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
And so just again to kind of end this comparison
and like kind of hype, Jane Dane is up a
little bit. Yeah, So you got a guy played twenty games,
sixty eight point four completion percentage, right, Hurts was ninety
sixty sixty nine. But then he threw for forty three
hundred yards, right, thirty touchdown passes, ten interceptions. That's diabolic,
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And then you're like, oh, that's pretty good. But he
also rushed for a thousand yards, yes, seven.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Rushington you know one thing you didn't say about it.
He's a rookie. Yeah, and he clutch you know, I
can't clutch wheels.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
And if you want to compare that to Hurts, Hurts
only had thirty six hundred yards passing twenty three touchdowns.
He only rushed for one hundred, eight hundred and twenty
four eight hundred and twenty four yards. Like the numbers
when you look at them on paper, are MVP caliber numbers.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I think the.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Question that I come back to is like he was
so good last year, like he was like can he
improve on that? Kitty cracked the top five?
Speaker 4 (49:02):
I think he can improve because as legit as a
passer as he is.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I think he would say I left some yards on
the field.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
So I think now that everything's finna really slow down
for him, and that silent confidence wonders that he wouldn't
throw in last year, he gonna throw in those.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Wonders right now.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
And not only that, just with the protection thing, you know,
being upgraded, now that's key. Now you're getting more guys
out in the passing routes, and now he can take
advantage of of I guess you could say a deeper
arsenal a matchup.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
And also knowing this, they only gonna play me in zone.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
He found, Like I think as the year went on
last year, he started to realize, everybody plays me the same.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
You know what I'm you know what?
Speaker 5 (49:43):
You know what I'm asking right now going into the season,
how much we make them do something that they don't
want to do defensively with his abilities, Like what what.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Are we planning to do to say I want you,
I dare you to do this? You see what I'm saying,
He handicaps courtinated nobody.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
I'm just saying, I want to know how we're gonna
use our that that that gift, that we have with
our quarterback, now that we dictate, Now that we like
we all talking about being dictators, you know what I mean,
and not allowing the team to dictate what we have
to do. Do we come off the bat say ideare
you to get out there and just sit back?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Think they would rp O come.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
You know what's crazy though, is like Tanny, you said this,
like there were times last year where like just as
an example, like Arizona played drop eight right next team
brings all out and he just was like, oh cool,
Like look at Detroit. Detroit is a great example, Like
they pressured him higher.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Than any rate.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
They had twelve people hurt on you.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
But I'm saying like he was like, oh, you're gonna
pressure me. I know the answer.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Oh you're gonna play drop eight. I'm gonna be patient.
I'm gonna bits like I came. I left the year
being like the only way to defend this guy is
to win with four rushers it and play some type
of tight man coverage or match coverage on.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Them, saying you have to rush for you to play,
you had to play true match.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Like the way Philly does.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yes, and and then you then the other thing is
like he played teams with match coverages and birth then.
But like when you've got the horses that Philly has,
like that's a little challenging.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, Like I don't. I didn't see anything last year
that gave him.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
And and Philly didn't give him a fix because we
was right there if we want he was. So it's
just like, oh, man, like you know, and.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I guess it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
The other thing I want to ask you guys is
how does his improvement? How does that start in training camp?
I think that's what do you want to see from him?
Speaker 3 (51:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
Yeah, And that's a great question because we was asking
that question earlier. And like I said before, I'm not
big on man. Wow me, I feel like I've been
wild already. I want to see, now how much can
he add on to what he's already done?
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Just progressions, you know.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
What I mean, Like like little progressions by we already
talked about him. He's a leader now, like he's now
people looking up. It's not it's no longer our young
young Whooper snapper quarterback in the committee?
Speaker 2 (51:52):
What something? I mean?
Speaker 5 (51:52):
You know what I'm saying, Like he's that guy and
not only that when the playbook opens up a little
bit more where where Cliffs said, I'm finish, go on
my bag a little more. How much more better he is?
How much that how much better that's gonna make him?
Being that now I have a little more that I
can work with setting and being confined to these certain
places because we don't have to, we don't have the
(52:13):
skill set up. I think the people that's finna benefit
from his maturation is the number three and number four
receiver because we had to keep them in and chip
a little bit tight end chip back Chip. I think
now because he's gonna be able to open up the playbook, Kim,
I mean Kingsbury, the third and the fourth receiver, I'm
gonna start to really get off in this offense like
(52:35):
they're start.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
They're gonna start to be game breakers because with JD.
Five as your quarterback, my third receiving fourth receiver gonna
be better than your third and fourth cornerback, and I'm
gonna be able to whoop him like a drug.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
The other exciting thing for me is that I think
Cliff Kingsbury and the rest of this offensive staff know
how to get it done. You know what, I'm saying,
like they're gonna find a way to say, hey, we
were really good in quick game, really good at RPO,
really good at zone read. Let's kind of worked that
five step drop now, so three and a hitch from
the gun, Like, let's attack the middle of the field more.
We got Larry me here, we can fifteen rat rook
(53:07):
And so I think that's the thing. I'm excited to
see him kind of take that next step on And
I'm glad that there's a steward here in Cliff Kingsbury
who's gonna help him get that done. And I think
he really understands Jaden's strengths and weaknesses and it is
gonna facilitate that at a really high level. So all
that starts down in training camp. And again it's cool
to kind of watch it and kind of see the
(53:28):
wrinkles that they're adding and see the little things that
are going on. Curious to see what actually sticks for
the season. Yeah, but yeah, man, training camp, it's an
exciting time.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh football is back.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Football is back, And that's gonna do it for today's show.
Please make sure you like it to subscribe where we
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Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, right there, that's it.
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