It's officially draft month! The Command Center Podcast crew talks Adam Peters free agency and draft process. Plus, they share and Washington can look to draft the BEST player available with the 29th overall pick. Then, they chat about OC Kliff Kingsbury's new offensive weapons, Deebo Samuel and Michael Gallup, and what they can do for Jayden Daniels' game. Plus, they take a look around the NFC East and the current state of the teams heading into the draft. Who will be the NFC East 2025-2026 Champion? You won't want to miss what Fred has to say! Hosts: Logan Paulsen, Santana Moss, Fred Smoot. Producer: Caroline Suder, Jason Johnson
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, Brenda and.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I have a bet. I can't wait till you mend
and knee.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I want to do that, man. We got a vibe
check on the team. We talk about free agents, we
talk about trades, we talk about the draft, the direction
this team is going. Man, we are stoped and we
got a run down. We break down the NFC East.
Where's everybody at and where do we fit? It? All
starts right now. Welcome to The Command Center Podcast. I'm
Logan Volser with Fred Spoot and Tantama said. As always,
(00:27):
we're sented by Cogyo Technology, Secure Today, Shape Tomorrow, and
before we get into our wonderful show today, we got
some housekeeping to take care of. So I don't know
if you guys haven't been paying attention. Fred and I
have a bet. It's about It's a draft bet. Fred, Yeah,
And so basically on our other show, Take It to
the Draft Podcast makes you check that out if you
want all draft content. It's an hour a week of
strictly draft stuff. Last year we did something where we
(00:48):
said these are our surefire prospects, and so these guys
are for sure gonna hit and in the bet basically,
I don't remember the exact wording, but one of us
has to get down on the knee if we lose
and say that you are the best draft analysts. And
I am terrible because I am so lone.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That he's the gul Right, I'm the draft guru.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He is the So my question is, is this gonna
be the first bet you win or have a have
a chance to win, because I feel like you'll bet
two or three times a year.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I don't know one of them that you won, yet
this might be the one.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right, I'm a little nervous, So I don't remember exactly
who I picked, but I do remember picking two guys
that were injured for most of the year, and I
do remember I don't remember the exact guy's Fred picked,
but I remember he picked some absolutely crazy people. And
so I don't know. Did you go back and listen
to the show?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know what? I haven't, But it seems to me
that you're a little Fred.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah. Fred, I'm a little afraid because in terms of
things in my life that I don't want to do,
getting on a knee in front of you and saying
you're the best is something I don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Every day, the sun gonna shine down.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Just because you're you are so confident. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I don't need that because he aligned tell everybody you
did it, even if you didn't do it. You know,
so it has to be recorded because he would tell
everybody the story.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
About what you do.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So I'm glad you said that. So in order to
make it for for posterity, for the record, we're gonna
we're gonna air the bet being executed on the Command
Center Show Bird, and it'll be on TV on your birthday.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's so crazy, you're gonna do it on my birthday.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean, I didn't. I didn't. That's something Jason Is said. Jason,
I think Maddie you should probably get mad and Maddie
producer Maddie Caroline might have been on that decision. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, I hate to say if you were riding the
tape five years ago, before we started really working together,
I called it out on a draft special that Deebo
Samuels would be my second round pig.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He turned out to be a star. Now he's in washed.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, okay, let me just say this. You can pick
one person that you were right on every year. You
can do that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
No, no, no, I can cher death Rickling draft.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I think I went ten to fifteen. No, W told
you I went sometimes like he gonna think about it.
That makes us different. You're more analytical. You want numbers,
you want this me. I need to set my eyes
on them. I'm a field guy. I need to be
around this guy. I want to know who they love.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm gonna say one thing. I'm gonna say one thing.
I'm gonna say one name. Let me say one name.
Emmanuel Forbes. I was. I was.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
He was mishandled.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I was not as high on him.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No, he was mishandled by a coach.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
That's all I remember.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He was mishandled. Can we can we say?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, so this is what I say. Like anybody, I
can go through any draft at us and be like,
what about so and so? What about this? Like this
is the draft, this is why it's hard and so
I'm not it's not a criticism.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I apologize this point. I think you said for because
it was a it was a personal connection.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The j I mean, he didn't play well. Hire he's elsewhere.
Now that's hopefully have a you know, it turned out
to have a great career.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
We just had so much in coming. I was pulling
for you need me from.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Missis pulling for him. The talent on the film was there,
and you weren't the only one who felt that way, right,
So I think that's the thing is like when you
say what the thing I have I have umbradge with
is the fact you said you went ten for ten.
Because there's no chance you went ten for ten.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I did. I went one hundred percent, one hundred lips.
You can't help You cannot help himself. That's why you
got a fact check him. Why y'all y'all fact check me?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Like every time I say something, Like every time I
say something, even in the office, every time I say something,
they fact checking everything that I say.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I told him.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Now today that a chainsaw was designed for not cutting trees,
for c six.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Did you not know?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No way, that's true. It's true, Caroline, Caleb is true.
Caleb Key is her name, but K.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I don't even say key. It is with a K.
At the end of the day, you can do your research.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Chainsaws were designed for Sea six from Mount.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, his mouth to your So we got an intern. Caroline,
She's gonna are you still an intern, Caroline, No, I'm
gonna produce her now.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Also bred literally the first thing that pops up.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
No, casus were not originally invented, but rather a medical
tool to aid in childbirth, specifically.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
To assist sections.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
No, but he says specifically the literal persons.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, Well, he was close. Thing.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So the crazy thing about it, he almost is always close.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Even if he's not right. That's right, He's always close.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
He's always in the ballpark. So basically, let's make sure
we check out that show Bett executed. I'm nervous. Friend's excited.
He thinks he's got this in the bag. But basically,
it's like the person that gets to be the draft
expert for the next year he.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Called the draft.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I'm afraid that if I had to get down on
the knee, my bag might give that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I still I think about that. I was I was
at I was at film co the other day and
I looked across. I thought Fred was laying right there,
right on the ground.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
The way the way his luck is, he's probably gonna get.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And guess what.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I'm happy that they happened, because that they showed me
mortality that I had crossed. I have crossed the threshold.
And it also said store back working out.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, like that's what if it had done anything to me? Hot,
yogi bet do something.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But Tenner, he's been telling us you gonna work out.
He's like, I've been working out for two years.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Now you work out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I gotta start working out.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No bumping his gums every day.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
That's what it's worked out.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
There's nothing more humbly than listening to cors and truck
drive past you while you lay on the ground in
front of a gas station because your back.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Then went out.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And I guarantee you, while you was on your back,
you were reaching for your pocket seeing if you had
a question on it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Got my light on me.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Anywhere you get on the ground, you want to you
want to put a a more brutal You know what.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Really helped me when somebody drove hands there and blew
their hole. It's wild.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's mild to me that no one came over and helped.
It's just like no one even was like, hey man,
you are a right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That happened in the richest kind of American people got.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No love, no love, And this is not like I
was laying there for a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I was legitimly down.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But say to me, you should have called me man,
I would have come by and helped you out.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
My keys come help. Now you got it? Pop?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh yeah, So well watch the show. My friend's back
goes out. That'd be great to see, if you know,
if I don't know if I'm gonna say it to you,
I don't know if I can tell this deal. I
know it is. I don't want to say it though.
I really don't want to say it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Listen, man, a lot of people don't like to say
true things to people.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Man, the truth, the.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Good rule versus the nerd. I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I don't want to do it. But we're gonna do it.
We're gonna check it out, check it out. All right.
So now it's time to get to the show. After
that lovely housekeeping section, now it's the vibe check, right,
So vibe check, we're just kind of talking state of
the union, where the team's at after all the trades,
what's going on, and then kind of looking forward to
the draft a little bit. All right. So the first thing,
and I think it's very exciting, is we don't need
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to worry about quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yes, for a long time.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
They just thank God because we have been on this
roller coaster. All right, Think about all the quarterbacks. I
started off with Jim George as a quarterback my rookie year.
It ended up being Tony Banks body.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He was the guy that hit his head on the wall.
He was it before.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Oh, yes, you're talking about now you want to hear
though you're talking about Uh.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
It was in two thousands.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He was in college. Yeah, and he scored such down
he was drafted the same years he's Shootler Gus for Rock.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, great memory, Fred, great memory.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Gus for Rock. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So who was the last franchise quarterback in Washington? Was
the thisman?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
We don't have to give RG three his props, but
he was only there for a year though I know it,
but he was there four year?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Was it Kirk Cousins? Is that another one that Kirk?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I say Kirk was most different even the relationship was always.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But not with the fans, with the ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, I'm just saying he always kind of own the outs.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I would have to say the last true franchise quarterback,
no matter how vast his talent, is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I think the last two you can argaly saying either
r G or Kirk.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, and then before that, I'm just for Jason Campbell.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Jay was never don franchise quarter That's what he was
drafted as the first round.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He was here for three or four years.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, but we gave him so many coordinators. I don't
think we really gave a chance to be special. Before that,
it was like this carousel.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know what I'm saying, Like I was just thinking about,
like just what you were talking about, all those guys,
like there wasn't anybody that kind of came in.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And yes, it stabilized the franchise.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, so I think back in it was like was
it Thiseman or was it someone after him?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well got out the records, so right now is up today?
Thiseman is the number one quarterback?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Is that your franchise quarterback? Is there? Is that? Is it? Thisman?
Is it? I mean, sunny, I think, but obviously that's
before so I don't know that that's really a shame
and samon Ba And it's so crazy to think about
what Jaden does now, you know, like and how the
off season is different. Like I think about like everyone's
talking about you need number two out of receiver. I'm like,
when you got a quarterball.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Back, it don't matter who's it. Number two.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He just show listen to me. He showed you I
can make anybody better. I'm a true force smoteiply. That's
where you know you got a franchise quarterback. We can
go through Tom Brady wide receiver group. They was different
every year.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yea, like every year.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Same way with Pat Mahomes, you haven't he hadn't had
a show guy since three left. So and the same
thing we talk about when we talk about defensive backs,
like you don't need the top two or three corners
when you got as rushers, when you got a great
defensive front. So that's what we've been saying all last year.
And it was great to see that we was able
to show the world, you know, to show the NFL
(10:58):
that last year with god like no guys like the kids,
yeah no, uh, you know all of them, Jameson, all
those guys who was here, all was capable of being
that leader at that given day when you gave him
a chance.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What's the what's the next stuff for him? You know, Jaden,
because I think about last year, a lot of quick game,
a lot of kind of r PO, a lot of
like kind of deleveraged shows and obviously made big places
think moments.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
This is just more maturity, like he gonna think about it.
We know it's more. As we play, the more it
slows down. If he was debt dangerous from the first taste,
now that the game that slowed down for him, because
you can't get no bigger than the NFC Championship. He's
showing under pressure, I get better underpressure. Things slow down
(11:42):
for me. He's gonna go back to the lamb and say,
all right, I need to be throwing this instead of
this like he's just gonna correct. He gonna he's gonna
self correct himself, and I think this would gonna make
him even more dangerous. I can look for him to
run less. I hate to say that his legs always
be a whipping, but I look for him to run
(12:03):
less and let his legs dictate what the defense calls
so he can use his arm to beat them.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think consistency is key.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think at any position in our game, if he
can come back, because you know, it's highly unlikely that
things are gonna pan out the way this.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Year the way he did last year. Yeah, but too
many cups.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But as a player, you know, all you want to
do is be the person you were or better.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, you see what I'm saying. You want to see
his response.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You want to see him be able to navigate the
offense the way he did last year, but now at
a different level because now this year too, Now he's
a little more wise, So he's a little more better
with things.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
He's he's gonna you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So if he was that sharp out the gate, then
all you want to do is see him be as
sharp and then even sharper at times when they take
when they're giving us something, Oh, it ain't gonna be
no love.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And now you're gonna see more of the I got
this guy.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
One on one.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Let me go to him, you know what I mean,
taking advantage of some of the things that he probably
you know, held back from him because he wanted to
go through the you know, the Florida and that.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
We got them some more weapons. So more weapons makes
your job more easier. Like we got guys that that's good.
And yet with Deebo Sam's we got teary that's in
his bag. Like we got guys that's gonna land him
in Tumsa is the one we need to talk about.
He's gonna give him what he really needs, and it's time,
like time for deep plays to develop down the field,
(13:21):
time to run them with what I feel like we
should have ran more of that. I think we are
gonna run more of It's like the intermediate fifteen yard
dig routes.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
They take time to do that. You gotta have a line,
a line of blocking say that.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, So I look for us to take that part
of the field more than we did because to me,
we was like, either throw it quick, are we gonna
throw it down the field? Like to me, we didn't
have that. Like that's what made get hard for us
to stop the greatest show on turf when we had
to play.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
The Rams had average drifts, they had the end, they
had those twelve and fifteen and curls and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, so that means they gonna average more than ten
year olds to catch because five of my seven catches
are fifteen yard dig rap.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah. So I think you bring up a lot of
good stuff there. So Tanny're talking about consistency and developing
and I think one of the things that again we
expect him to do that on his owner because he's
a special guy. But I also love what this the
staff's done, right, Adam Dan, what they've done. They've done
a really good job of kind of saying, hey, like
we've got the left tackle, we've got debo. And so
I think, now, like with these pieces, like you already
(14:27):
hit it there a little bit, Fred, but like what's
the like what like how does the offense look different?
And does this help Jayden kind of take that next step?
I mean, I think so. I think the answers are
quivocally yes. But I want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Guys, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I think, you know, because you got to look at
how the league is gonna try to change and try
to say, Okay, let's see if he's that guy, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, I haven't heard it, but I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm just saying that. I just feel like every year
is going to be that test. You want to get
a team that's going to say, all right, we're gonna
sit back now again. We're gonna let them do something
more than what we allowed him to do last year.
We're not gonna rush them. Last year he didn't run
as much he ran when he had to he ran
and got in trouble. But when you build around him,
like how we brought in Tunsu and brought in these
other extra bodies, that's going to probably be depth pieces
(15:09):
for us in our office. In line, we have to
establish a better run game. We have to have a
sustainable run game from week one to seventeen. I feel
that the run game is gonna be key because now
that's gonna allow us to always dictate what we're gonna
get out there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
If we allow the defenses.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
To say, well, they ain't running, well we're gonna sit back,
then it's always gonna be tougher because I don't care
who you are. As a passer, when gods are in
your lane, it's tough to throw the ball to them.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You don't have the weapons, so it's gonna be checked
down and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I just feel like that's the part of the
game that I hope offensively.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
That we don't have to sit here and still be
trying to you know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Correct like, oh man, we gotta run better, we gotta
run back, we gotta you know, we gotta you know,
a run block better.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
And that's what I want to see from us.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, but also I think like when you look at
the teams that gave the Commanders a hard time last year,
like Pittsburgh Philly teams that were able to play man coverage,
press up and win with four.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Like now obviously with the addition of Laramie Tunshel's like
you lose the like that becomes less effective because you've
moved Brandon Coleman over. Yeah, You've got like a really
solid corps of guys. And so again like now like
Terry can take a little bit more time to win
versus man covers, Right, So I think that that's something again,
like we this is what I've always I appreciated about
(16:19):
this offseason. I feel like they're making smart decisions about
issues that they had last year and finding pieces to
get it done. Because like d Bow, again it's not
like a great man piece, but he elevates your base offense. Right, So,
like they all kind of fit into these roles and
if the perfect vision happens, yes, then the offense around
Jayden supports Jaden's development, is around it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Like I had the chance last week, you can go
to the get Lab podcast, I interviewed Adam Peters it
was fun.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I can I really yeahs yeah, I got a chance
to pick his brain. Y'all didn't know it.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
He went to junior college to he a junior college
guys that we got to really like chopping up.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And I learned his.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Approach of how he looks you by yourself, just me
by myself one o one.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know, I went straight up. I went to my CNN.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's donn get louder.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
We have to change and I and I like his
approach and in some things, he said.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
What is something that stood out to you from him
from when.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
He started free agency this year? What was made it
different from last year? And he said, like last year
it felt like I had more free agent options than
I had this So that's why I think he went
with the approach of since the free agency is not packed,
I'm going to trade route Like our biggest two guys,
Larry mc thompson Deebo was from trades, not free agents.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So I think he's always looking for another way to
get things done.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
He won't take no for an answer, and that's what
I like about how he gets things done. And I
actually the ingredients of a how what he does he
consider a commander but in the love of the game,
like he liked people that love to play football.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
How is it or I can't I'm not sure if
I want to use that word.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
But being that we was here for a while, he
was Redskins, it was core Redskins. All of us had
a chance to play for the Redskins. Put that slash
on the now it's commanders, and.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
You feel like it's the same.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You know, you have to be wired the same, you know,
But when you look at now the guys were bringing in,
does it make you feel like with damn?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Was I was our core? You know what I'm saying.
Because I'm looking and I'm like, I feel like I.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Can play with any coach.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I can play for any coach because I'm very coachorable
and I don't want to just say that I heard that.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
But when I look at the guys they bringing I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Damn, I wish I was in this time being able
to be judge and say a guy, I went on
this squad because.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
We had something that I think unique to the guys.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
They like simply just loving to play the game and
available like this is what they like they like.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Availability all us. We didn't miss games.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
We didn't miss games, and we was never the the
reason why not.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And I think this is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And I'm not speaking for myself here, but in commenting
on your careers, you guys are both really good players,
and so what I will say is they like tough players,
smart players, competitive players, but they actually like good players,
you know. So I do think it would fit in
really really well.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Basically you Bates.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So you want to make in some capacity, Yeah, I
have to talk.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You need them shoes, you want got on.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Having on John Bates. So let's I mean, let's talk
about guys. One guy they brought in the trade, and
that's Deebo Samuel and then the other guy that I
think is interesting and maybe I like to get your
take on this, Tanda, is the Michael Gallup. Right. So
I think we are very clear about what Deebo is
going to do in the offense, at least I feel
very and obviously that can change, but you know, kind
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of this screen quick game, kind of maximizing guy underneath it's.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
A physical I'm going to break.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm a ben DB's to my wheel, Like, think about this,
think about it. As a dB taking on Deebo Samuel's
nine ten plays, then got to take on the running back,
then got to take on the tight end.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You physical, It's a lot. So I think we all
feel very clear about his role. You know. I think
you're just gonna maximize what this offense wants to be
at its base level. Yeah, quick game screens, and then
he can still kind of win down the field, which
is awesome. Creat mismatches from the backfield. We did a
breakdown on that on the Command Center. Makes you check
it out. The Michael Gallup one, to me is a
little bit interesting because he hasn't played football for a year.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
But guess what I always tell people, Man, if I
was if I was running the NFL, I would make
NFL players have a mandatory year off every six years,
really because I just think your body and your mind
needs to heal man year out the year, out the year.
Like the only thing that saves some of us is
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I know y'all don't want to hear this. We do
have that sieves and injury injury. It forces us to
sit out a year. The hip you game four years,
all right, So and his honger would not be denied
you know how it is when we miss a year
of football, you want to get back out there. My
perfect cump to him. I think he gonna bring everything
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that Noah Brown brought yeas year. I think I think
it's a comp there.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And what's great about it You got Noah back. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. So we got two of the
so well.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So I'm not saying he's gonna make the team, but
I think back to him in like two thousand and
twenty two when he was that dude eleven hundred yard
receiving and like everyone's like, we're looking for a number two,
we're looking for a number two, and that guy. If
you can get that guy on this team, like he
can win versus man coverage, you can run every route,
he can win contested catch situations. He tracks the field
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like he was borderlining about to make a ton of money,
and obviously the injury gets kind of sidetracks whole thing.
But to me, you're bringing him in at a very low,
very favorable contract number, and if you get that kind
of race, so that's what I look like. If you
get he's a he's a true a true too, And
we haven't had a guy like and I like Noah,
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I like Oz, but this guy has the ability to
elevate and win it away. If you get that version.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Of Yeah, if you get that version of I think
also too, if you look at him right now, I
think we have a one A and a one B
wherever you want to put Terry and your boy Debo, wherever.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
You want to slot them.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
To me, both of them are are dogs amongst dogs.
They you got one rock rolling, you got a boxer,
you know what I mean, or however you want to
you know you want to phrase.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It, and then you got a two.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I like no I like nor Brown as a true too.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I mean a lot of people want to look at
If you watch nor play last year, I watched him
play man always got got open. Even when he wasn't open,
he was getting the penalty, somebody was holding him doing
something like. He made things happen when the ball came
his way. He made plays. We already know the hell
Nor you name it. Nor Brown to me is a
solid true too.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
If Gallup could.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Be anywhere near where he was when he left left Dallas,
bro we we we're packed. You know it's gonna be
a fight for to see who's going to be in
that room because you have a lot of potential. I
guys that go out there who can win, winning man
and man, winning zone this period, win and you.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Get the basketball body types, right, You get like, you know,
you're kind of bigger, more physical guy in Debo. You
get your.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
True twitchy guy.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You got a big guy guy that just gonna a
damn bows or bulldozer guy. And Deebo, I don't know
where you want to put him at. That dude just feisty.
You know what I'm saying, He's gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Find a way football play.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
He's a guy that you know how we talk about
guys taking advantage of going up top where you can
you know how, you have that Tyreek effect where you
can be we got eighty yards ago and you give
him something, it's gone, He get you eighty. I saw
Debo turn many plays within two to five yards into
sixty and seventy yard plays because of his you know,
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I guess you can say effort, extra effort when catility
never never going to go down.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
So you just have so many different weapons man.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And I just love the way that they went out
there and say, Okay, we're gonna bring this guy back
because he showed us that he was valuable for us
last year the receiver position in North Brown. We're gonna
go get a gallop that can stretch the field when
we got him on the field. If he makes his squad,
which I believe he will, he's to be one of
those guys like you have so many guys that's gonna
make sure that the defense can't sit there and say
I'm an play one side.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, here's a thing I love about Debo. He's an
automatic defensive check. When he comes in, we have to alert.
We don't know where he gonna line up at all, right,
he reminds me. Now he don't have the speed of
this guy, but the way he's utilized. Percy Hobby one
of my favorite players all time.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, Person, When Person came in the game, I.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Don't know if your x Z.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I don't even put him at tail back, and I
don't know where this guy's going.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
He was.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
He was like Bush on steroids, Like he was a
different kind of just.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
A different bowl of athlete. Like, just get me the ball.
I don't care how y'all get me to.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
This is a question I asked, y'all, do you think now.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Terry gets the respect of being that true number one,
they're gonna say, you know what, We're gonna cloud him
and let everybody else try to beat us.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I mean, I think that's the thing you just saluted to.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Though.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
If these guys play the way that they have plenty
you can't do it.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, you can't with them.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We didn't Eve talk about Zach like this offense. If again,
this is all projection, right, projecting like you're getting a
good version of Gallop, You're getting a good getting a
healthy version of Noah, because as much as we like Noah,
he hasn't been healthy the last couple years of the spreer.
But the best version of Debo like it's it's a
dynamic playmaking group.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
See only asked the question because like we talk about
different positions at the receiver position, a lot of folks
just think you played wide receive.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It's an X, there's a Z, there's a slot. You
know you might name him why or.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I remember the Shanahan era when I had done just
they just came in two thousand and ten. I had
a thousand some yards at at two teams. Remember I
was heavy as all out doors and I remember when
they signed me back. Remember it was twenty eleven when
we had the little it was a lockout.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Of all my yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
They signed me back and immediately Shanahan was like, that year,
I'm move you the X because we have we had
we had no No, we had Rashee card Well and
we had my man, Jabar Gaffney. Both of those guys
are capable of being number ones if you need them
to be. So he were like, Tann, you did a
lot at Z. You're gonna always go at Gator and
be the slot guy. But I'm gonna put your X,
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and I swear. I remember having this meeting with Shannon
han right before I broke my hand that year and
he brought me off.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
He say, I'm changing you back to I'm changing you
back to.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Z today because I just feel like you're not getting
open the X. I said, you turn the film on.
They got a cloud over me. That's what the exposition does.
You don't have that other guy there where you can't
so at Z you double me the tight end.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Or somebody else over there, and ex is just me
out there.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
So he was like, yeah, I'm not getting the same
production that I got from you in the passing game.
I said, yeah, because it's they giving me a shell.
He's like, yeah, I know, but I'm gonna change you
to Z today. And the day he changed me at
Z and we went to Carolina, I broke my hand.
But I was asking that question because of that, Like,
you have a guy in Terry. We saw he line
up on the left a lot, and then when people
start noticing it, we start switching them. Now you're bringing
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these other guys you as a defense. You're gonna pick
one guy that we must stop. We must stop, because
that's how I always felt. It was always say all right,
we're gonna shut eighty nine down. Somebody else beat us.
So I'm wondering, does Terry get that respect knowing that
he earns it. I mean, he went out there and
showed you every year he's put up the numbers.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Is he the guy?
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Or are you saying.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
That I'm more concerned with what Debo gonna do or
a guy like Gallup.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
You gotta play it how we call it. You gotta
play it. You gotta play the truth. You gotta play
the truth. Now if you want to have options, this
is what you'll do. When it comes to those two,
you would say, I'm gonna take my number one corner
and I'm gonna put him.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
On debo by hisself, by itself.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I'm gonna take the number two corner and I'm gonna
double t give him help, You give him help, AND's
gotta be somebody, somebody else gotta beat me, somebody else
gotta be basically, yeah, So this is what they're gonna
do now. I don't think Philly gonna help that option
this year because big place slave is gone.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Right now, We're going to see whether they can get
before up front.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Hey, every team gets better, a little worse in the
all season. I say Philadelphia for the most part got
just a tiny bit worse.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I wouldn't say that talented.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
They're super talented.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And I'm worried about them in the draft, like I always.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Worry about them in the draft because they have drafted
so will.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I mean, that's got to run out man's run. It's
like them in the Ravens for some reason. Boy, they
don't Well, I knew some mister truth. He told him
on my kids get back, I'm gonna leave you with
my my jacks.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
That is wild but he helps out though.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, he's still like they like this shows you a
franchise that understands.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
The franchise is on the strong as the people. They
understand that because every every year.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I like, because where we sit when we watch the
comb DROs is right in front of the Ravens box
and I see he's like, you gotta stop watch out
And I'm like, what that dude retired like five years ago,
but he is.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Still getting them a.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Check right quick to come hip over, here's some free
cray up cakes for life.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So we talked a lot about the offense, and like, again,
I think we all feel pretty good about it. I
think defensively, we feel good about the improvement's very similar.
And I think that leads us nicely into the draft
and like kind of what our expectations are for the
next opportunity for the team to start kind of building.
And so I don't know, like is there I really
feel like Adams put us at a spot, put the
organization a spot to like pick the best player available.
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What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I was gonna say no, because I mean I feel
like we all have that in mind that the best
we in the situation right now that we haven't been
in a long time where you can honestly go in
the draft and say, Okay, whatever is sitting around, you know,
that's what we're going to go out to. The best
player that's available at that moment, or its just meat talking.
Do you see them saying, you know what, it's a
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guy too that I can go get here, and I
really have more picks for so let me trade back.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm so glad you asked that, because when I do,
I'm kind of like working on my big board, which
is like you're one to three hundred type of that.
I'm not gonna do three hundred guys, but you know
you're one down right, Yeah. And obviously those kind of
fall into tiers, which is your horizontal board. Like Tier
one is like these five players and go down. And
so when I got I was kind of like messing
with it the other day, I was like, actually the
difference between pick twenty nine and pick thirty five different.
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It's no difference because you can get ballers there. And
so again, like obviously like just to kind of work
through some draft kind of gymnastics, if there's a dude
at twenty nine, then you have in a tier above. Yeah, right,
like a little bit better. Like you know, Mike Green
is the guy you talked about today, Like I personally
haven't been a higher tier. Yeah, and I don't know
any about the anything about the office. James Pears, Yeah,
he's a higher tier than me. So for me, if
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he's there at twenty nine, I'm gonna probably pull the trigger.
If he's gone, it's James Pears Junior, Landon Jackson.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I'm taking. I'm taking the thing I'm taking. I'm gonna
running up.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
They have James, you.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Know what I'm saying. But for me, I'm saying that's
kind of they're all kind of the same like Nick
scrdon Landon Jackson. They're all kind of in the same bucket.
So if I want an edge, I can trade back
five spots, ten spots and be happy. And then I think,
in a year where we've given a lot of draft
capital for what I mean, Tunsul and Deebo Samuel, we
only got five picks, if we can get two picks
back another pick here and there, like another bite at
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the app, I think that would be the way to go.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I see this, I see this, you know, ap
them seem like there are those type of guys when
it comes to just being strategic, you know what I mean, Like,
why pull the trigger if I if I know I
could get them ten slots, you know, and I can
get more and get more.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
For that, ask myself scenarios because every draft it's always scenarios.
All right, we do this every year. It's a run
on quarterbacks, no matter how weak the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Draft is this year, I don't think there's well.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I'm gonna give you a scenario at twenty nine, the
fault rings, all.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Right, Jackson Dark, it's still there. Trade out of it
new on the Saints, won't I mean, I mean want
a draft? Yeah, yeah, I think you gotta take that.
I think you gotta take it.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I don't think, I don't think. I don't think there's
a question if if there's a quarterback there and someone's
trying to get for a quarterback, I'm gonna say give
me what you give me everything you got, and I'm
gonna move back wherever I was talking to you, I
was talking to Mike Renner for he used to do
the PFF stuff. He now does the show with Kyle
Long on whatever CBS, and he was like, dude, yeah,
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like second round and I look at the second and
third round I'm like, dude, I want picks there because
there's good value there, you know what I'm saying. And
there's a little bit of risk associated with that, but.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'm like it's risky.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, yeah, we just like we just talked about the
manual formes. Like Caroline just text me. She's just like Logan.
You know, Jane Daniels was the tenth player on your
board last year. Right, But for me, they're all in
the same tier, those ten players, so like they're all
kind of the same. But I think this is like
this is a good talking for here, right, And quarterbacks
like you're saying, friend, all always go a little bit higher.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Right, Like it's no value you could put on the court. Right,
Like I'm sorry, Like I have watched it doing my draft.
I watched it doing draft before me, and I'm like, man,
it's two positions that shape the dray up every year
because it's just a run on them in this offensive
tackle and this quarterback, Like they don't they have to be.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
A little good to climb up to go.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Because it's it's like it's so much demand for them,
it's so much demand.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Because they just so in the same way as edge
rushers too.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, like they they will push the draft three, they'll
push your draft value down because of their positional work.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So let's talk about for the commanders at twenty nine
if they do stick and pick. Obviously, we just talked
about how we think if they can. And again, you
never know. You need two people to be involved in this, right,
You need someone to want to train up at twenty nine.
Are their positions we don't have to do names? Are
their positions that you say we should be thinking about
this position at twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I can't do positions because I just I don't think
that's how he thinks.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So so what I'm saying so like this is what
i'd say. Yes, I think you're right, he's thinking best
player available. But when I look at this twenty nine pick,
I'm thinking, like, there's gonna be a lot of edge rushers. Yeah,
there's probably gonna be one corner, maybe one safety.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
You don't think Reveil will be there, So I think
I think.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think he'll be there, right, And so that's why
I say one corner, right, there's but if he's gone
ahead of time, I'm not going to pick a corner,
you know what I'm saying. So then there's probably four
edge rushers, there's maybe one offensive lineman, you know what
I'm saying, And it's like we're getting in like a
little bit. There's one linebacker, John Campbell, Like yeah, there's
maybe one running back of Martin Hampton, who i'd probably
wait to take a running back away, Like yeah, Nick
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Gordon Gordon, yeah, I like him a lot. But again
I think if I'm taking an edge and I have
this and this is important, I have the same grade
on all those guys. Yeah, I'm gonna trade back because
they're all the same, Like they're this in the same bucket.
So like Nick Gordon Land and Jackson Donovan is a
roku the gif from Boston College, like the putting on
this a lot, dude and it and talk about a
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guy that's a Dan Quinn type of guy.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
What about Morrison?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Benjamin Morrison, so the hip thing, he's the corner from Notre.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Dame like him and Ravelo got the injury.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, you know, but the ACL I'm a little bit
more comfortable with withvon ravel from East Carolina obviously has
an ACL injury. A little bit more comfortable that because
you know the timetable, right, Yeah, Like when you get
a dB who's got multiple hip surgeries, I'm a little
bit like or even even Josh Simmons, the tackle from
Ohio State, who I love. I think he could be
there like Taurres Potello. Like that's a weird rehab for me.
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You know, I'm not super comfortable with it.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So is because I know y'all dive in a little
deeper than I ever do when it comes to the draft.
Save instance, we and that we had that twenty ninth pick,
and we know how strong or not so strong this
running back class is.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But the running back that is very strong, we know
that much.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, But the running back that we all kind of
like tray Bon, He's sitting there available between nine people
got to come to say he might be a second
round pick, but you like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
He got a lot of first round grade, a lot
of first round grade.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
So this is what I said. This is where like,
this is where trusting your board and trusting your scouts
is important. Right. So I think back to Detroit obviously
when they drafted a linebacker Campbell. Campbell, who is that's
a low position of value contract and then obviously running
back Jumier Gibbs both in the first round, right, and
then they drafted a safety in the first and the second.
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So those are all kind of low value picks. Yeah,
But I think what I what you take from that
is if your grade, if your bucket. Let's say Henderson
is a third tier player and at twenty nine there
shouldn't be that many third tier players left, and you
trust that process, take them, you get it like that,
But that's where you go back to the homework you
did before.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, and is it icing on the cake because I
think for Detroit it was the cake for backs.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But also the way they described him I thought was important.
He was a playmaking weapon and we saw that in
the Playoffam.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But that's my thing.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
When you look at Henderson and you look at the
offense that we have right now, that's a ton of that.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You say, do I wait when I have it right?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, he could come in and impact right now. I
think when they looked at you, they were.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Like, ain't no nothing, it's not another one.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Then CO snatch him up.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
That dude especial.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And I think in a draft it's loaded with running
backs that makes me more comfortable to say I can
get one later.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And just to give.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And for fans, I think people hold in because it's like, oh,
I already heard about Henderson. I've only heard about Henderson,
like you've got C. J. Harvey from Rock.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Henderson is just my favorite.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But I'm saying like in terms of similar skill set,
like you know he's from Florida, right, and then you
got Basiltooting from Virginia Tech. He ran the four three.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Right now in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Shan Smith from s m U Man. He's a converted
wide receiver like with Strake gasoline.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
He can tell he can fly.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
So I look at those guys and I'm like, maybe
the difference between Henderson and those guys is in this
fight is this minister, And so why would I reach
on a guy not reach?
Speaker 4 (37:55):
But why would I spend so much draft capital.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Basically saying that you don't really have to because it's
the other guys that I don't get this guy around.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I want to get him at it's two or three
more games.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
And I think that's one thing that fans have a
hard time with is they hear the same names over
and over and over again and it's like, oh, we
didn't get hitters and this is a terrible draft. It's like, well, shoot,
I actually like player X better than that game. You
know what I'm saying. Like, And it's just trust trust
the organization that they've done more homework than you have
and you have and they know.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I was talking to one of the scouts for a
different team and he was like, how many guys you
think I watched? And I was like, he's the he's
the head of college GUYT. I was like you personally,
He was like, I watched five hundred guys. I write reports,
write reports on five hundred guys.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Love life. His wife mad at him.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well do I mean that's when you That's like, that's why,
that's the job. Job.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
His time of a year, Like I was telling he
was like, how did how is this year different from lansty?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
He was like, last year, I have a store for scratch.
I had never did it.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, this year, I have my routine and I have
hired the guys around me.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
That makes my job.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I got the guys that got to study five hundred
guys that had to get me the report. Now I
got to go back and restudy the guy myself like what.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
God fit, what we need and this to keep and
what value do we get?
Speaker 4 (39:11):
And I think that's why that Cogna go in with
Burst at twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
We go in somewhere around thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And so you did your interview with Adam and I
did an interview with Dan. And one of the things
that I took out of the interview that I thought
was so awesome was like the thing that Adam does
such a good job of is like this is we
tell Adam what we want and what we need, and
he says, let's look at the board and where's the
value in the draft? So you're talking about getting value
and I think like having a guy that's full time
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job is to understand that it's so incredibly important, and.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
That's how you feel rooms by best player available, Like
this is how I got birth into this league.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I was drafted best player vailable. They didn't need me.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
They had three yellow jackets in the room. They were like, no,
he's the highest rated person on the draft.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Int.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, we didn't think he was going second round. I
just knew he was the first round.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I was you out, you know, No, he just
he just he just.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Showed me why Fred has always been Fred?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
He going the second round.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
I just ran loose on campus, told me about twenty
I told you I was very impressive for it when
I when I met Fred and went home, and then
I watched him play that year because now you know,
when you got to put a person's game with their
face in their mouth, and he talked so much shit
that weekend, I was like, well, I gotta watch this dude.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And even when I didn't watch him, his name was
mentioned Fred Smooth. I say, this guy dog gonnadude really
good ball. So especially as a corner. You know what
I'm saying. I didn't see him going second round. But
you was like the first pick in the second round.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You no, I was thirty five. Drew Brees with thirty four.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Wow, yeah, I know you.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
You got real like the second round consistent freeze me
chads like I'm the second round.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Our whole second round was scrapball.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
We already told you to two thousand and one classes
up there.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
You know when I showed you that we were the
number four best draft class to just go through.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
If you got free time today, go check it out.
It's like, oh my god, I got.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Them gases in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yes, Okay, so obviously we feel really good about where
the team's at. You pick the best player, Availabow. We're
excited to see what they do, and I'm trusting that
Adam Peters just done more homework than me, and we're
gonna fight really good football players.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think I just don't think we're gonna make a
first round pick in my head.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
In my head, I think you need someone to trade
up with you. But I think, like I would agree,
I just.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Want to be at the same bar that they have
you had with the mic and.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
The third.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I don't want to be there when you we was
gonna trade basket.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Out of mind, all right.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So that's gonna lead us to our next segment, which
is risk It for the Brisket, and we're doing an
NFC East breakdown the brisket out of the biscuit the biscuit,
I said.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Brisket, Yeah, brisky Land it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And then that's presented by Marsh mclenn agency. You're a
partner in risk and People's strategies. Let's start with the
New York Giants, which feels kind of like a dumpster
fire because they brought in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson,
which is which is fine? I like love and then
who do you fear of those two?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Who do you fear more?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Hey, I hate to say this.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
I don't get into all that because I'm gonna stop
it right here.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Because Bregna, he's gonna put something out there in the air,
and then we're gonna be back here talking be like
see bre you know, talking to men, you know, they're
politicians and way.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
James.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
If I'm a wire receive in the league and I
get a call and they're like, yeah, man, we just
signed James.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Thank God.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I'm like, I'm going to have a year. What do
you do? He will he will give you a chance
to become a hero. Russell Judy. Last year, Julie had
did nothing. Judy, bow the hell out. Julie had did nothing.
Jamie's like this, they ain't gonna get picked. We're gonna
get it. We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And it'll make me play more defensively.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
You know what's crazy with that too. I've heard nothing
but great things about him, Like he's a great teammate
and he's like all the crazy speeches and something. But
I heard guys love playing man. So for me, like,
I just.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Feel like whoever did his lasi they need to go
get him his money back because he still can't see.
But he's still throwing to the other heard that I
just don't throw pick sixes in the next week through
every time I look up chasing somebody, I like, first
of all, if I'm gonna be in a dumpster file,
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I want.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
To have a little fun. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
he gonna bring that, like like.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Russell has already started them. She Mannikins.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
He came in that thing his first He ain't say
let's ride, you know, he said, go big blue.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I can't take this dude.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Man, he's a borderline Hall of Famer, right like I
think so.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He is a borderline Hall of Famer. But I think
the tail end of his career is starting to teeter it.
You see what I'm saying. I think he did enough
early man one super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
He's a He's an interception away from being a two
time champ man.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
But guess what you did say? Do you blame him?
He's sitting math Malcolm Bulets from Mississippi.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
He's from a town called Vicksburg, Mississippi, fifteen miles away
from Jackson.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
They were throwing parades for Macca, for mathcolums, all.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Kinds of stuff because of Russell now Riches, Richard Sherman,
and the legion of Dude, most of them first first.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Ballot Hall of famers. I think Russe is one of
those guys because.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
If Eli went the first ballot, I don't know if
Rusk get in Man, I think.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
In, but I look at it like this, get back
to the point or the question. Yeah, I think Jameis
Winston is a guy who I'm afraid of.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Do you think it keeps him from drafting a quarterback? No? No,
they're not gonna draft what are They picked him three
four four?
Speaker 5 (45:08):
And that's the crazy part about it. They do they
draft your door?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
If the door is sitting there and they still have
the third pick, do they draft your door?
Speaker 5 (45:15):
And then now, how how does how does this pan out?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
All the Pat mahons treatment you know what I'm saying,
Let him so this is the this is why we're
not going to spend too much more time with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
It feels like a dumpster fire because basically the owner
came out last year and said I probably should fire
the GM and the head coach, and then he didn't
fire them, And so now you get the GM and
the head coach making these personnel decisions to keep their jobs.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
They might not be there.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
They might not be there. So are you gonna draft
a quarterback?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
They were saying, I can draft a quarterback because I
cannot deny that. The owner gonna be like, we still
got a future here, and the future is not James
in the future is not Russell Wilson like.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
So you' so if you if you I'm the I'm
the I'm the owner, you're the head coach, you're making
a pitch to me.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
You're trying to quarterback, and I'm gonna tell you, like this, Okay,
I need to bring a venturing in here to stabilize
us like we got we got we got the champions
of the NBA and NFL in our division. We got
an up and coming Washington team, and we got Dak Prescott.
And to play against these guys, I'm gonna need a
guy that been there and done it right now.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I don't need a guy that's learning on the job
right now. Now.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
I can't have one of these Venturans with Jamis and Russell,
teach your doer how to be a pro, how to
be in here.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
But I cannot put a rookie on the field.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
But this year, do you feel like if if Saud
comes into that that room, do you think he's the
best player week one?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
No, think about you?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Okay. So I have done very little quarterback watching this
year because we don't need one. I'm excited about that,
but I will say when I have watched him that it's.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Not He doesn't have the strong his arm right now,
and I don't know if he can spin it in
that stadium. You know what that stadium does the quarter
now champin it and survived in there, So that gives
me faith that should do it can survive in there.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
But I don't.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
But I heard I heard what the man name is.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
He was my gym when I was there, Tennemball. Yeah,
I heard him.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Give him give us your door. A comp with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So do you think kirtis the fourth round pack?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
But I'm saying to the point, that's the reason why
I ask that question, Like if you comport him with
Kurt Nofense.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
I love Kurt.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I thought Kurt.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
He was precise, He was accurate. You know, he did
everything that she had to do to win. So with
that being said, if they're looking at him more of
an accurate quarterback, that just kids, because I feel like
I saw a little more than that in college from him.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Though. He made plays.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
With not with his legs most of the time, but
his one dimensional with the way he makes plays.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
He throws himself out of trouble.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Now the one thing that knock on him and says
he holds the ball a long time. Yes, well that's
just all. It ain't no perfect prospects, like all of us,
come to the league with.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Something to work on. I think coaching to get him
out of it.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
I just think he ain't the tight to say, here,
the franchise, take.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Us to victories.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I wouldn't do that. Not that you do it now.
Cam is a different question to cam Ward. I think
cam Ward has enough seat to get him out of trouble,
to help him survive.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
He's ricky.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
So obviously giants got a lot of stuff to work on,
and it'll be interest to see what they do. Are
they picking up three or four?
Speaker 4 (48:18):
I forget, no, it's three, Yeah, forget what either two,
But we don't care. We're not gonna feel sorry for
the giants, like never feel sorry for the giants.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
All right, So yeah, weird off season for that.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Let Jerry cook, That's all I got to say. Listen.
I love to.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Let him do what he's doing. He does the oddest things.
He waits so long to pay these players, and.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
He always paid.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
He played top ten players, top five money. He does
it on such a high level.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
They it's all strange, man, I can't I can't wrap
my head around it, Like just what what is the
philosophy he has?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
And I understand, like it's a family driven.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Business, That's what I'm saying. Anything, it's business more than
I'm like. But but just to say that they still
have found a way to be one of the teams.
That's I know they talk about them because of because
of the star, because they're married, number one popular, But
besides last year, they have won you know what I mean,
They was winning the last what three the last four
years they won three.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Seasons in the regular season regular the whole knock on them,
and they knocked that press gott my Misisippi State Board dog.
They cannot win in the playoffs, and they cannot win
in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
If it's the it's always something. If it ain't the coaches,
it's the players. If it ain't the players, it's the coaches.
If it ain't the coaches, it's the owner. If it's
just something like, I don't think they have a culture,
and especially now that I'm seeing with and filling this culture,
I don't think they have a coach because coachre is
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winning over everything, and I think them is we're going
to play on national TV seven games you no matter what,
the brand gonna be strong. That's all we care about.
And it shows in their playing because it.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Ain't no way. And I love that.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
You know, I'm a big deck guy myself that is
not supposed to be the highest paid quarterback in football.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, but I think when you get to the point
of where he's at, wherever that tier has you, you
have to get paid whatever it saying you deserve to
get paid.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I totally understand.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
But when you got a guy, I don't think a
lot of these guys getting paid what they're worth right now.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
They getting paid what the market say.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
What the market says that then you have guys.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Like Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You have these other guys that say we're gonna figure
this contract out to where I still need players, like it's.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
A way to get it done.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
I just think they don't go right about especially if
I'm in the Dalla GM. The first thing I'm selling
to these guys, five million in Texas is different than
five million in DC. You're gonna get the whole five here,
So let's let's start there. Let's start the money ways
little bit more than I don't.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Think they have those that that tax over there tax problems.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
They don't have any come tax. They don't have state
tax tax. Yeah, they don't have state tax. So therefore,
just like Florida, you get the whole check.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, but you know that comes out and property tax
probably absolutely right, but gonna get you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah. The doctor interesting. Obviously they fired their their head
coach they brought in.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
So nobody gonna get in love of Shoheim.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
But I mean, like one to know him.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
We don't know him.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Tell us about Brian.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
He's very intelligent, very smart, and this is what he
come this is what he's gonna bring to the table
that I think the last coach did. He's going to
run the ball. He believes in running the ball. Daddy
believed in running the ball. He's going to run the ball.
His first thing he's going to address is who's in
the backfield. I think they already signed a couple of
running backs in his offseason.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
He's going to get try to get.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
That offensive linebacks solidified, and he's gonna try to take
the game out of Dak's hands.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, the so, I mean, that's just an interesting situation
to me, like different than New York, but kind of
feels the same way. It feels like they're just kind
of stuck it in neutral. And then you know, but you.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Gotta be sad if you're a Cowboy because you got
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Like it's like they definitely the Giants feel like they're
in a rebuild and the Cowboys feel like they should
be full pedal of the gas, let's go, but they
just kind of sticking to the neutral.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
They do they sign partsons before the season, stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
They should they should do so the Bettle they should
they should done it last year.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Just sooner the Bettle just go sound Indeed, is I
really looked down the roster, but.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
That's gonna put that's gonna handicap them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Quarterback, I think the Giants might have a better roster.
That's an interesting that's an interesting thought, especially now, like
and everyone thinks of the Giant the Cowboys great offensive lines,
banged up, got a lot of young guys in the group.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Kind of the Giants have always been strong everywhere else,
but quarterback lately right now.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Because you look at Timberda, you look at Launch, you
look at the lineback and court you look.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
At has always been a question with Danny Jones. Everybody
else has been everybody else.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Been solid, Like y'all, they the Giants got players.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
They just jay Don is gonna be fighting for a
starting job over then Indy. They said they let both
of those guys.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
I think the only thing they messed up with Richard
is if the dude ain't play football in college, you
gotta let him play lay.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I think they're to be there is like, that's Anthony
Richards is a really interesting example to me. And this
is a little bit of a digression of why understanding
the person is so important, because like, there's certain guys
that can play a little bit of football, but they're
like pros. You know on time, and I've heard that
he's got some maturity issues worked through. And when you
just give somebody who's still young figure like they sometimes crashed,
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I think so, and I.
Speaker 4 (53:50):
Just feel like he's very much with a San Francisco quarterback,
Trey uh Lance.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Trey Lance had played, he had played no games.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
He had played one story year, just like AK forty
seven played one starting year.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
And now you get to the leagues and.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Everybody over ripped, everybody got more reps than you. And
now you're playing ketchup. And now you're playing ketchup with
a team that's taking you in and out, in and out,
in and out. You never even get a groove, like
sometimes I need you to take a step back. By
Nazi scene going out there playing to take a step forward,
but just not letting him do it.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Absolutely all right. So that was just the Philia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Are they better?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Are they worse? Are they the same?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I don't think you ever can stay the same. You
need to get better. How you get worse?
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Now, I can't say that before the draft because you
just don't know what Howie Rose and don't do.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
And the draft, like, man, let's look at who already lost,
they lost Big Play, they lost defensive.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Linement Wife, they lost Big Milton, they lost Sweatt. But
they also drafted some guys that they've been holding in
the wings like they do.
Speaker 5 (54:54):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
They always have.
Speaker 5 (54:55):
They got back.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, they guy guys that they holding the wings.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
But when you it was a buttering like Graham, Brandon Grant,
that's a stable now and we ain't talking sack numbers,
were talking prison culture.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
So the one thing I can say about Philadelphia, I
hate to say this, it tastes like throw up in
my mouth day when it comes to veterance. Culturally, they
keep their veterans longer than anybody. Lence Johneson been there
a long time. Fletcher Cox started his career, they'll finish
the career the Brandon Graham started his career, they'll finish
his career. Like they have faces and people that has
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been stalwarts in their locker room.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
And some of these guys are gone.
Speaker 5 (55:34):
So offensively, they still intact though they have.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
All they lost.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Mackay beck Lance is getting got a year older now
he ain't getting young. So you know they still Johnson
the bone, they still got their backbone out.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Think Yeah, I think as long as the offensive line,
like you said, for they always are developing offensive line,
Like Tyler Steen has been there for two years. He's
good back up, you know what I mean. They've got
pieces there that make that thing work.
Speaker 5 (56:00):
I think they and neutral right now.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
But I think the one thing for me is that
they were really healthy last year. I don't think they
can be that healthy this year.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
We were.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
I think there's gonna be a regression, yeah, for sure.
And that leads to me to the last question. Okay,
so we've had a new division winner NFC. Is that
a new division winner every season since two thousand and four?
Obviously the Eagles won last year, right, m hm. I
feel like this is the Commander's year.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
This is is our year, right, it feels that way.
Take it to the bank. It is.
Speaker 5 (56:28):
I mean, we got a tougher schedule, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (56:32):
Like the one thing I always say to people when
they say you got a tough schedule, I say, it's
no fair dodging.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
You gotta play everybody anyway. We showed that when we
went to Detroit. We showed that in.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Temple when it come to playing the big dogs, we
can play the big dogs and now we just got reinforcements,
So I'm fine with it. And we know the chronological
thing in this division where something always happens to the
division leader the next year and injury you brought it
up is the number one calls and falling a step back,
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and sometimes it only need to happen to one person,
you know what I'm saying. So I just think, also,
I think we're looking forward to playing them, Like I
don't think our group is saying we don't want none
of them. They say, yeah, we won't, we want some
of them. So if I was a bet man right now,
I had to go to the casino and bet I
would put my money down as a Command's winning the
division next year.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah, I mean it's exciting like that. It's an exciting
time to be a Commanders fan for sure. Like I
look at I'm like, dude, like there's a great opportunity
for this team to do a lot of good things.
They've gotten better, feels like everybody else in the division
feels like they've kind of stayed status quo. Yeah, so
maybe this is the time which should be pretty fantastic.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
Well, like this, we're not gonna sneak up on anybody, nobody,
everybody gonna give us their best.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
But I do think the thing you a better strength
of schedule will be really interesting because you're playing better quarterbacks,
you're playing better teams. You do have to grow up
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, I feel like the schedule. Everybody feel like this.
I always say this.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
You don't know the schedule. You don't know this.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
The seasons until you play those teams not going to
be the same either.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I just look at quarterbacks, so that's that's what I want,
and the quarterbacks are better, so usually that makes it
harder on defenses. And then if it's harder on the defense,
you gotta score more points. So that's high level.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Just about the South part of the schedule last year,
because it was not the AFC North, that's a vision
of the visions.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
It was. It was the South. That's it, right, Because if.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
Now we're going to play who the West in the
AFC with Kansas City, I think that's comparable to Baltimore
and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
So if I look at it, is this Grinton schedule
really changing?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
I just think NFL football is NFL football. Thirty two
teams can beat you.
Speaker 5 (58:45):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
I look at the quarterbacks though, and I'm like, and
that you got Patrick Mahomes, you got Herbert? You know
what I mean? There's like better Herbert.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Listen to me, y'all have been putting Herbert.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
He's a good player.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
He's a good player. But is he a gamer?
Speaker 4 (58:59):
He just like if I write him on piece of paper,
he is determinator like six four like cannon of is
he a gamer?
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Singing?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
I mean there's times he's look at so look at
that offense last year. Look at what they had an
offense last year. They had a backed up offensive line
that Lad mccaukey and that's it. And it was like Herbert,
and they weren't a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
It was. But is he a game? Have we seen
this person before?
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Who you got? You got a compidmind?
Speaker 2 (59:29):
What you got? I have no company? Mind?
Speaker 4 (59:31):
I'm asking you because we had a couple of quarterbacks
in this league that has been all right.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Trevor Lawrence, he's way better than Trouble.
Speaker 4 (59:39):
What I'm saying is the prince who was promised God's gift.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
The quarterbacks all right, but can't get over the hump.
Speaker 5 (59:48):
That's more so that's more so with his team though
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Coming out Yeah, I don't know if I told you
that why, because I just was like, he's too it's
too robotic. There wasn't like like when you watch like
Jade's a good example, this Strake May Caleb Williams example. This,
there was a they're playing, they're playing the game.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
They letting the game come up and they figured it
out about the game.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
And I felt like there was a lot of design
touches for Trey Lance and there was a lot not
Lawrence Lawrence, and there was a lot of kind of
like not a lot of ball arc variants. So I
had one throw one club and quarterbacks that have one
club usually. So again I didn't think. I didn't think
he was going to be like this, But I never
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was like.
Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
This is one thing I have always hated. I respect
quarterbacks simply like Drew Brees. Drew Brees was purduced. He
didn't have no first round there wide receive, didn't have
no first round. In running back, I like, I like
guys that carry their team. Like so when I see
a quarterback from Alabama, I'd be like, I don't know,
I see a quarterback that had ten first round is
on this team. I'm like, how good are you really?
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And this is what Trema Lowens had sam.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I mean that was some of the conversation with Jake
Dails last year, right because.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
He had those two Poe de receivers.
Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
But I also seen games break down and the unst
you and him just take it over.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Like the Alabama game comes, I mean, well.
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
And they wasn't the best team. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
They wasn't the best team that was out there. That's
why I'd be like, yeah, I take him because it's.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Some games that broke down. And he just said, you
know what, Florida, I take over this game.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I said, yeah, I mean, uh yeah. So I can't
wait to watch to see if the team can pull
out against tougher schedules schedule when the division, which should
be fantastic. We'll see if Justin Herbert is the real deal.
But that's gonna do it for today's show. Please make
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Thanks so much,
On today's episode The Command Center Podcast, Brenda and.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I have a bet. I can't wait till you mend
and knee.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I want to do that, man. We got a vibe
check on the team. We talk about free agents, we
talk about trades, we talk about the draft, the direction
this team is going. Man, we are stoped and we
got a run down. We break down the NFC East.
Where's everybody at and where do we fit? It? All
starts right now. Welcome to The Command Center Podcast. I'm
Logan Volser with Fred Spoot and Tantama said. As always,
(00:27):
we're sented by Cogyo Technology, Secure Today, Shape Tomorrow, and
before we get into our wonderful show today, we got
some housekeeping to take care of. So I don't know
if you guys haven't been paying attention. Fred and I
have a bet. It's about It's a draft bet. Fred, Yeah,
And so basically on our other show, Take It to
the Draft Podcast makes you check that out if you
want all draft content. It's an hour a week of
strictly draft stuff. Last year we did something where we
(00:48):
said these are our surefire prospects, and so these guys
are for sure gonna hit and in the bet basically,
I don't remember the exact wording, but one of us
has to get down on the knee if we lose
and say that you are the best draft analysts. And
I am terrible because I am so lone.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That he's the gul Right, I'm the draft guru.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
He is the So my question is, is this gonna
be the first bet you win or have a have
a chance to win, because I feel like you'll bet
two or three times a year.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I don't know one of them that you won, yet
this might be the one.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right, I'm a little nervous, So I don't remember exactly
who I picked, but I do remember picking two guys
that were injured for most of the year, and I
do remember I don't remember the exact guy's Fred picked,
but I remember he picked some absolutely crazy people. And
so I don't know. Did you go back and listen
to the show?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know what? I haven't, But it seems to me
that you're a little Fred.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah. Fred, I'm a little afraid because in terms of
things in my life that I don't want to do,
getting on a knee in front of you and saying
you're the best is something I don't want to do.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Every day, the sun gonna shine down.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Just because you're you are so confident. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I don't need that because he aligned tell everybody you
did it, even if you didn't do it. You know,
so it has to be recorded because he would tell
everybody the story.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
About what you do.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So I'm glad you said that. So in order to
make it for for posterity, for the record, we're gonna
we're gonna air the bet being executed on the Command
Center Show Bird, and it'll be on TV on your birthday.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's so crazy, you're gonna do it on my birthday.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean, I didn't. I didn't. That's something Jason Is said. Jason,
I think Maddie you should probably get mad and Maddie
producer Maddie Caroline might have been on that decision. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, I hate to say if you were riding the
tape five years ago, before we started really working together,
I called it out on a draft special that Deebo
Samuels would be my second round pig.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He turned out to be a star. Now he's in washed.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, okay, let me just say this. You can pick
one person that you were right on every year. You
can do that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
No, no, no, I can cher death Rickling draft.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I think I went ten to fifteen. No, W told
you I went sometimes like he gonna think about it.
That makes us different. You're more analytical. You want numbers,
you want this me. I need to set my eyes
on them. I'm a field guy. I need to be
around this guy. I want to know who they love.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm gonna say one thing. I'm gonna say one thing.
I'm gonna say one name. Let me say one name.
Emmanuel Forbes. I was. I was.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
He was mishandled.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I was not as high on him.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No, he was mishandled by a coach.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
That's all I remember.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He was mishandled. Can we can we say?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, so this is what I say. Like anybody, I
can go through any draft at us and be like,
what about so and so? What about this? Like this
is the draft, this is why it's hard and so
I'm not it's not a criticism.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I apologize this point. I think you said for because
it was a it was a personal connection.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The j I mean, he didn't play well. Hire he's elsewhere.
Now that's hopefully have a you know, it turned out
to have a great career.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
We just had so much in coming. I was pulling
for you need me from.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Missis pulling for him. The talent on the film was there,
and you weren't the only one who felt that way, right,
So I think that's the thing is like when you
say what the thing I have I have umbradge with
is the fact you said you went ten for ten.
Because there's no chance you went ten for ten.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I did. I went one hundred percent, one hundred lips.
You can't help You cannot help himself. That's why you
got a fact check him. Why y'all y'all fact check me?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Like every time I say something, Like every time I
say something, even in the office, every time I say something,
they fact checking everything that I say.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I told him.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Now today that a chainsaw was designed for not cutting trees,
for c six.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Did you not know?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No way, that's true. It's true, Caroline, Caleb is true.
Caleb Key is her name, but K.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I don't even say key. It is with a K.
At the end of the day, you can do your research.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Chainsaws were designed for Sea six from Mount.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, his mouth to your So we got an intern. Caroline,
She's gonna are you still an intern, Caroline, No, I'm
gonna produce her now.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Also bred literally the first thing that pops up.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
No, casus were not originally invented, but rather a medical
tool to aid in childbirth, specifically.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
To assist sections.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
No, but he says specifically the literal persons.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
No, Well, he was close. Thing.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So the crazy thing about it, he almost is always close.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Even if he's not right. That's right, He's always close.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
He's always in the ballpark. So basically, let's make sure
we check out that show Bett executed. I'm nervous. Friend's excited.
He thinks he's got this in the bag. But basically,
it's like the person that gets to be the draft
expert for the next year he.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Called the draft.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I'm afraid that if I had to get down on
the knee, my bag might give that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I still I think about that. I was I was
at I was at film co the other day and
I looked across. I thought Fred was laying right there,
right on the ground.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
The way the way his luck is, he's probably gonna get.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And guess what.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I'm happy that they happened, because that they showed me
mortality that I had crossed. I have crossed the threshold.
And it also said store back working out.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, like that's what if it had done anything to me? Hot,
yogi bet do something.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But Tenner, he's been telling us you gonna work out.
He's like, I've been working out for two years.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Now you work out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I gotta start working out.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
No bumping his gums every day.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
That's what it's worked out.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
There's nothing more humbly than listening to cors and truck
drive past you while you lay on the ground in
front of a gas station because your back.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Then went out.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And I guarantee you, while you was on your back,
you were reaching for your pocket seeing if you had
a question on it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Got my light on me.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Anywhere you get on the ground, you want to you
want to put a a more brutal You know what.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Really helped me when somebody drove hands there and blew
their hole. It's wild.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
It's mild to me that no one came over and helped.
It's just like no one even was like, hey man,
you are a right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That happened in the richest kind of American people got.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No love, no love, And this is not like I
was laying there for a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I was legitimly down.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But say to me, you should have called me man,
I would have come by and helped you out.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
My keys come help. Now you got it? Pop?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh yeah, So well watch the show. My friend's back
goes out. That'd be great to see, if you know,
if I don't know if I'm gonna say it to you,
I don't know if I can tell this deal. I
know it is. I don't want to say it though.
I really don't want to say it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Listen, man, a lot of people don't like to say
true things to people.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Man, the truth, the.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Good rule versus the nerd. I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I don't want to do it. But we're gonna do it.
We're gonna check it out, check it out. All right.
So now it's time to get to the show. After
that lovely housekeeping section, now it's the vibe check, right,
So vibe check, we're just kind of talking state of
the union, where the team's at after all the trades,
what's going on, and then kind of looking forward to
the draft a little bit. All right. So the first thing,
and I think it's very exciting, is we don't need
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to worry about quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yes, for a long time.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
They just thank God because we have been on this
roller coaster. All right, Think about all the quarterbacks. I
started off with Jim George as a quarterback my rookie year.
It ended up being Tony Banks body.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He was the guy that hit his head on the wall.
He was it before.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Oh, yes, you're talking about now you want to hear
though you're talking about Uh.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
It was in two thousands.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He was in college. Yeah, and he scored such down
he was drafted the same years he's Shootler Gus for Rock.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, great memory, Fred, great memory.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Gus for Rock. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So who was the last franchise quarterback in Washington? Was
the thisman?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
We don't have to give RG three his props, but
he was only there for a year though I know it,
but he was there four year?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Was it Kirk Cousins? Is that another one that Kirk?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I say Kirk was most different even the relationship was always.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But not with the fans, with the ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, I'm just saying he always kind of own the outs.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I would have to say the last true franchise quarterback,
no matter how vast his talent, is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I think the last two you can argaly saying either
r G or Kirk.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, and then before that, I'm just for Jason Campbell.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Jay was never don franchise quarter That's what he was
drafted as the first round.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
He was here for three or four years.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, but we gave him so many coordinators. I don't
think we really gave a chance to be special. Before that,
it was like this carousel.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know what I'm saying, Like I was just thinking about,
like just what you were talking about, all those guys,
like there wasn't anybody that kind of came in.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
And yes, it stabilized the franchise.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, so I think back in it was like was
it Thiseman or was it someone after him?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well got out the records, so right now is up today?
Thiseman is the number one quarterback?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Is that your franchise quarterback? Is there? Is that? Is it? Thisman?
Is it? I mean, sunny, I think, but obviously that's
before so I don't know that that's really a shame
and samon Ba And it's so crazy to think about
what Jaden does now, you know, like and how the
off season is different. Like I think about like everyone's
talking about you need number two out of receiver. I'm like,
when you got a quarterball.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Back, it don't matter who's it. Number two.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
He just show listen to me. He showed you I
can make anybody better. I'm a true force smoteiply. That's
where you know you got a franchise quarterback. We can
go through Tom Brady wide receiver group. They was different
every year.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yea, like every year.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Same way with Pat Mahomes, you haven't he hadn't had
a show guy since three left. So and the same
thing we talk about when we talk about defensive backs,
like you don't need the top two or three corners
when you got as rushers, when you got a great
defensive front. So that's what we've been saying all last year.
And it was great to see that we was able
to show the world, you know, to show the NFL
(10:58):
that last year with god like no guys like the kids,
yeah no, uh, you know all of them, Jameson, all
those guys who was here, all was capable of being
that leader at that given day when you gave him
a chance.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What's the what's the next stuff for him? You know, Jaden,
because I think about last year, a lot of quick game,
a lot of kind of r PO, a lot of
like kind of deleveraged shows and obviously made big places
think moments.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
This is just more maturity, like he gonna think about it.
We know it's more. As we play, the more it
slows down. If he was debt dangerous from the first taste,
now that the game that slowed down for him, because
you can't get no bigger than the NFC Championship. He's
showing under pressure, I get better underpressure. Things slow down
(11:42):
for me. He's gonna go back to the lamb and say,
all right, I need to be throwing this instead of
this like he's just gonna correct. He gonna he's gonna
self correct himself, and I think this would gonna make
him even more dangerous. I can look for him to
run less. I hate to say that his legs always
be a whipping, but I look for him to run
(12:03):
less and let his legs dictate what the defense calls
so he can use his arm to beat them.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think consistency is key.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think at any position in our game, if he
can come back, because you know, it's highly unlikely that
things are gonna pan out the way this.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Year the way he did last year. Yeah, but too
many cups.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But as a player, you know, all you want to
do is be the person you were or better.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Yeah, you see what I'm saying. You want to see
his response.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You want to see him be able to navigate the
offense the way he did last year, but now at
a different level because now this year too, Now he's
a little more wise, So he's a little more better
with things.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
He's he's gonna you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So if he was that sharp out the gate, then
all you want to do is see him be as
sharp and then even sharper at times when they take
when they're giving us something, Oh, it ain't gonna be
no love.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
And now you're gonna see more of the I got
this guy.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
One on one.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Let me go to him, you know what I mean,
taking advantage of some of the things that he probably
you know, held back from him because he wanted to
go through the you know, the Florida and that.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
We got them some more weapons. So more weapons makes
your job more easier. Like we got guys that that's good.
And yet with Deebo Sam's we got teary that's in
his bag. Like we got guys that's gonna land him
in Tumsa is the one we need to talk about.
He's gonna give him what he really needs, and it's time,
like time for deep plays to develop down the field,
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time to run them with what I feel like we
should have ran more of that. I think we are
gonna run more of It's like the intermediate fifteen yard
dig routes.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
They take time to do that. You gotta have a line,
a line of blocking say that.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, So I look for us to take that part
of the field more than we did because to me,
we was like, either throw it quick, are we gonna
throw it down the field? Like to me, we didn't
have that. Like that's what made get hard for us
to stop the greatest show on turf when we had
to play.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
The Rams had average drifts, they had the end, they
had those twelve and fifteen and curls and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, so that means they gonna average more than ten
year olds to catch because five of my seven catches
are fifteen yard dig rap.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah. So I think you bring up a lot of
good stuff there. So Tanny're talking about consistency and developing
and I think one of the things that again we
expect him to do that on his owner because he's
a special guy. But I also love what this the
staff's done, right, Adam Dan, what they've done. They've done
a really good job of kind of saying, hey, like
we've got the left tackle, we've got debo. And so
I think, now, like with these pieces, like you already
(14:27):
hit it there a little bit, Fred, but like what's
the like what like how does the offense look different?
And does this help Jayden kind of take that next step?
I mean, I think so. I think the answers are
quivocally yes. But I want to ask you.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Guys, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I think, you know, because you got to look at
how the league is gonna try to change and try
to say, Okay, let's see if he's that guy, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, I haven't heard it, but I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm just saying that. I just feel like every year
is going to be that test. You want to get
a team that's going to say, all right, we're gonna
sit back now again. We're gonna let them do something
more than what we allowed him to do last year.
We're not gonna rush them. Last year he didn't run
as much he ran when he had to he ran
and got in trouble. But when you build around him,
like how we brought in Tunsu and brought in these
other extra bodies, that's going to probably be depth pieces
(15:09):
for us in our office. In line, we have to
establish a better run game. We have to have a
sustainable run game from week one to seventeen. I feel
that the run game is gonna be key because now
that's gonna allow us to always dictate what we're gonna
get out there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
If we allow the defenses.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
To say, well, they ain't running, well we're gonna sit back,
then it's always gonna be tougher because I don't care
who you are. As a passer, when gods are in
your lane, it's tough to throw the ball to them.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
You don't have the weapons, so it's gonna be checked
down and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So I just feel like that's the part of the
game that I hope offensively.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
That we don't have to sit here and still be
trying to you know.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Correct like, oh man, we gotta run better, we gotta
run back, we gotta you know, we gotta you know,
a run block better.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
And that's what I want to see from us.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, but also I think like when you look at
the teams that gave the Commanders a hard time last year,
like Pittsburgh Philly teams that were able to play man coverage,
press up and win with four.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Like now obviously with the addition of Laramie Tunshel's like
you lose the like that becomes less effective because you've
moved Brandon Coleman over. Yeah, You've got like a really
solid corps of guys. And so again like now like
Terry can take a little bit more time to win
versus man covers, Right, So I think that that's something again,
like we this is what I've always I appreciated about
(16:19):
this offseason. I feel like they're making smart decisions about
issues that they had last year and finding pieces to
get it done. Because like d Bow, again it's not
like a great man piece, but he elevates your base offense. Right, So,
like they all kind of fit into these roles and
if the perfect vision happens, yes, then the offense around
Jayden supports Jaden's development, is around it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Like I had the chance last week, you can go
to the get Lab podcast, I interviewed Adam Peters it
was fun.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I can I really yeahs yeah, I got a chance
to pick his brain. Y'all didn't know it.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
He went to junior college to he a junior college
guys that we got to really like chopping up.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And I learned his.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Approach of how he looks you by yourself, just me
by myself one o one.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know, I went straight up. I went to my CNN.
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's donn get louder.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
We have to change and I and I like his
approach and in some things, he said.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
What is something that stood out to you from him
from when.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
He started free agency this year? What was made it
different from last year? And he said, like last year
it felt like I had more free agent options than
I had this So that's why I think he went
with the approach of since the free agency is not packed,
I'm going to trade route Like our biggest two guys,
Larry mc thompson Deebo was from trades, not free agents.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So I think he's always looking for another way to
get things done.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
He won't take no for an answer, and that's what
I like about how he gets things done. And I
actually the ingredients of a how what he does he
consider a commander but in the love of the game,
like he liked people that love to play football.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
How is it or I can't I'm not sure if
I want to use that word.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
But being that we was here for a while, he
was Redskins, it was core Redskins. All of us had
a chance to play for the Redskins. Put that slash
on the now it's commanders, and.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
You feel like it's the same.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You know, you have to be wired the same, you know,
But when you look at now the guys were bringing in,
does it make you feel like with damn?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Was I was our core? You know what I'm saying.
Because I'm looking and I'm like, I feel like I.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Can play with any coach.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I can play for any coach because I'm very coachorable
and I don't want to just say that I heard that.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
But when I look at the guys they bringing I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Damn, I wish I was in this time being able
to be judge and say a guy, I went on
this squad because.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
We had something that I think unique to the guys.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
They like simply just loving to play the game and
available like this is what they like they like.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Availability all us. We didn't miss games.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
We didn't miss games, and we was never the the
reason why not.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And I think this is a good thing.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And I'm not speaking for myself here, but in commenting
on your careers, you guys are both really good players,
and so what I will say is they like tough players,
smart players, competitive players, but they actually like good players,
you know. So I do think it would fit in
really really well.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Basically you Bates.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So you want to make in some capacity, Yeah, I
have to talk.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You need them shoes, you want got on.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Having on John Bates. So let's I mean, let's talk
about guys. One guy they brought in the trade, and
that's Deebo Samuel and then the other guy that I
think is interesting and maybe I like to get your
take on this, Tanda, is the Michael Gallup. Right. So
I think we are very clear about what Deebo is
going to do in the offense, at least I feel
very and obviously that can change, but you know, kind
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of this screen quick game, kind of maximizing guy underneath it's.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
A physical I'm going to break.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm a ben DB's to my wheel, Like, think about this,
think about it. As a dB taking on Deebo Samuel's
nine ten plays, then got to take on the running back,
then got to take on the tight end.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You physical, It's a lot. So I think we all
feel very clear about his role. You know. I think
you're just gonna maximize what this offense wants to be
at its base level. Yeah, quick game screens, and then
he can still kind of win down the field, which
is awesome. Creat mismatches from the backfield. We did a
breakdown on that on the Command Center. Makes you check
it out. The Michael Gallup one, to me is a
little bit interesting because he hasn't played football for a year.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
But guess what I always tell people, Man, if I
was if I was running the NFL, I would make
NFL players have a mandatory year off every six years,
really because I just think your body and your mind
needs to heal man year out the year, out the year.
Like the only thing that saves some of us is
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I know y'all don't want to hear this. We do
have that sieves and injury injury. It forces us to
sit out a year. The hip you game four years,
all right, So and his honger would not be denied
you know how it is when we miss a year
of football, you want to get back out there. My
perfect cump to him. I think he gonna bring everything
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that Noah Brown brought yeas year. I think I think
it's a comp there.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And what's great about it You got Noah back. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. So we got two of the
so well.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So I'm not saying he's gonna make the team, but
I think back to him in like two thousand and
twenty two when he was that dude eleven hundred yard
receiving and like everyone's like, we're looking for a number two,
we're looking for a number two, and that guy. If
you can get that guy on this team, like he
can win versus man coverage, you can run every route,
he can win contested catch situations. He tracks the field
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like he was borderlining about to make a ton of money,
and obviously the injury gets kind of sidetracks whole thing.
But to me, you're bringing him in at a very low,
very favorable contract number, and if you get that kind
of race, so that's what I look like. If you
get he's a he's a true a true too, And
we haven't had a guy like and I like Noah,
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I like Oz, but this guy has the ability to
elevate and win it away. If you get that version.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Of Yeah, if you get that version of I think
also too, if you look at him right now, I
think we have a one A and a one B
wherever you want to put Terry and your boy Debo, wherever.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
You want to slot them.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
To me, both of them are are dogs amongst dogs.
They you got one rock rolling, you got a boxer,
you know what I mean, or however you want to
you know you want to phrase.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It, and then you got a two.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
I like no I like nor Brown as a true too.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I mean a lot of people want to look at
If you watch nor play last year, I watched him
play man always got got open. Even when he wasn't open,
he was getting the penalty, somebody was holding him doing
something like. He made things happen when the ball came
his way. He made plays. We already know the hell
Nor you name it. Nor Brown to me is a
solid true too.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
If Gallup could.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Be anywhere near where he was when he left left Dallas,
bro we we we're packed. You know it's gonna be
a fight for to see who's going to be in
that room because you have a lot of potential. I
guys that go out there who can win, winning man
and man, winning zone this period, win and you.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Get the basketball body types, right, You get like, you know,
you're kind of bigger, more physical guy in Debo. You
get your.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
True twitchy guy.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
You got a big guy guy that just gonna a
damn bows or bulldozer guy. And Deebo, I don't know
where you want to put him at. That dude just feisty.
You know what I'm saying, He's gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Find a way football play.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
He's a guy that you know how we talk about
guys taking advantage of going up top where you can
you know how, you have that Tyreek effect where you
can be we got eighty yards ago and you give
him something, it's gone, He get you eighty. I saw
Debo turn many plays within two to five yards into
sixty and seventy yard plays because of his you know,
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I guess you can say effort, extra effort when catility
never never going to go down.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
So you just have so many different weapons man.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
And I just love the way that they went out
there and say, Okay, we're gonna bring this guy back
because he showed us that he was valuable for us
last year the receiver position in North Brown. We're gonna
go get a gallop that can stretch the field when
we got him on the field. If he makes his squad,
which I believe he will, he's to be one of
those guys like you have so many guys that's gonna
make sure that the defense can't sit there and say
I'm an play one side.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, here's a thing I love about Debo. He's an
automatic defensive check. When he comes in, we have to alert.
We don't know where he gonna line up at all, right,
he reminds me. Now he don't have the speed of
this guy, but the way he's utilized. Percy Hobby one
of my favorite players all time.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, Person, When Person came in the game, I.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Don't know if your x Z.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I don't even put him at tail back, and I
don't know where this guy's going.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
He was.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
He was like Bush on steroids, Like he was a
different kind of just.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
A different bowl of athlete. Like, just get me the ball.
I don't care how y'all get me to.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
This is a question I asked, y'all, do you think now.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Terry gets the respect of being that true number one,
they're gonna say, you know what, We're gonna cloud him
and let everybody else try to beat us.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I mean, I think that's the thing you just saluted to.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Though.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
If these guys play the way that they have plenty
you can't do it.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, you can't with them.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
We didn't Eve talk about Zach like this offense. If again,
this is all projection, right, projecting like you're getting a
good version of Gallop, You're getting a good getting a
healthy version of Noah, because as much as we like Noah,
he hasn't been healthy the last couple years of the spreer.
But the best version of Debo like it's it's a
dynamic playmaking group.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
See only asked the question because like we talk about
different positions at the receiver position, a lot of folks
just think you played wide receive.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It's an X, there's a Z, there's a slot. You
know you might name him why or.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
So.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I remember the Shanahan era when I had done just
they just came in two thousand and ten. I had
a thousand some yards at at two teams. Remember I
was heavy as all out doors and I remember when
they signed me back. Remember it was twenty eleven when
we had the little it was a lockout.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Of all my yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
They signed me back and immediately Shanahan was like, that year,
I'm move you the X because we have we had
we had no No, we had Rashee card Well and
we had my man, Jabar Gaffney. Both of those guys
are capable of being number ones if you need them
to be. So he were like, Tann, you did a
lot at Z. You're gonna always go at Gator and
be the slot guy. But I'm gonna put your X,
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and I swear. I remember having this meeting with Shannon
han right before I broke my hand that year and
he brought me off.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
He say, I'm changing you back to I'm changing you
back to.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Z today because I just feel like you're not getting
open the X. I said, you turn the film on.
They got a cloud over me. That's what the exposition does.
You don't have that other guy there where you can't
so at Z you double me the tight end.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Or somebody else over there, and ex is just me
out there.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
So he was like, yeah, I'm not getting the same
production that I got from you in the passing game.
I said, yeah, because it's they giving me a shell.
He's like, yeah, I know, but I'm gonna change you
to Z today. And the day he changed me at
Z and we went to Carolina, I broke my hand.
But I was asking that question because of that, Like,
you have a guy in Terry. We saw he line
up on the left a lot, and then when people
start noticing it, we start switching them. Now you're bringing
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these other guys you as a defense. You're gonna pick
one guy that we must stop. We must stop, because
that's how I always felt. It was always say all right,
we're gonna shut eighty nine down. Somebody else beat us.
So I'm wondering, does Terry get that respect knowing that
he earns it. I mean, he went out there and
showed you every year he's put up the numbers.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Is he the guy?
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Or are you saying.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
That I'm more concerned with what Debo gonna do or
a guy like Gallup.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
You gotta play it how we call it. You gotta
play it. You gotta play the truth. You gotta play
the truth. Now if you want to have options, this
is what you'll do. When it comes to those two,
you would say, I'm gonna take my number one corner
and I'm gonna put him.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
On debo by hisself, by itself.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I'm gonna take the number two corner and I'm gonna
double t give him help, You give him help, AND's
gotta be somebody, somebody else gotta beat me, somebody else
gotta be basically, yeah, So this is what they're gonna
do now. I don't think Philly gonna help that option
this year because big place slave is gone.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Right now, We're going to see whether they can get
before up front.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Hey, every team gets better, a little worse in the
all season. I say Philadelphia for the most part got
just a tiny bit worse.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I wouldn't say that talented.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
They're super talented.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And I'm worried about them in the draft, like I always.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Worry about them in the draft because they have drafted
so will.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I mean, that's got to run out man's run. It's
like them in the Ravens for some reason. Boy, they
don't Well, I knew some mister truth. He told him
on my kids get back, I'm gonna leave you with
my my jacks.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
That is wild but he helps out though.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, he's still like they like this shows you a
franchise that understands.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
The franchise is on the strong as the people. They
understand that because every every year.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I like, because where we sit when we watch the
comb DROs is right in front of the Ravens box
and I see he's like, you gotta stop watch out
And I'm like, what that dude retired like five years ago,
but he is.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Still getting them a.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Check right quick to come hip over, here's some free
cray up cakes for life.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
So we talked a lot about the offense, and like, again,
I think we all feel pretty good about it. I
think defensively, we feel good about the improvement's very similar.
And I think that leads us nicely into the draft
and like kind of what our expectations are for the
next opportunity for the team to start kind of building.
And so I don't know, like is there I really
feel like Adams put us at a spot, put the
organization a spot to like pick the best player available.
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What does that look like?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I was gonna say no, because I mean I feel
like we all have that in mind that the best
we in the situation right now that we haven't been
in a long time where you can honestly go in
the draft and say, Okay, whatever is sitting around, you know,
that's what we're going to go out to. The best
player that's available at that moment, or its just meat talking.
Do you see them saying, you know what, it's a
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guy too that I can go get here, and I
really have more picks for so let me trade back.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm so glad you asked that, because when I do,
I'm kind of like working on my big board, which
is like you're one to three hundred type of that.
I'm not gonna do three hundred guys, but you know
you're one down right, Yeah. And obviously those kind of
fall into tiers, which is your horizontal board. Like Tier
one is like these five players and go down. And
so when I got I was kind of like messing
with it the other day, I was like, actually the
difference between pick twenty nine and pick thirty five different.
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It's no difference because you can get ballers there. And
so again, like obviously like just to kind of work
through some draft kind of gymnastics, if there's a dude
at twenty nine, then you have in a tier above. Yeah, right,
like a little bit better. Like you know, Mike Green
is the guy you talked about today, Like I personally
haven't been a higher tier. Yeah, and I don't know
any about the anything about the office. James Pears, Yeah,
he's a higher tier than me. So for me, if
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he's there at twenty nine, I'm gonna probably pull the trigger.
If he's gone, it's James Pears Junior, Landon Jackson.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I'm taking. I'm taking the thing I'm taking. I'm gonna
running up.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
They have James, you.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Know what I'm saying. But for me, I'm saying that's
kind of they're all kind of the same like Nick
scrdon Landon Jackson. They're all kind of in the same bucket.
So if I want an edge, I can trade back
five spots, ten spots and be happy. And then I think,
in a year where we've given a lot of draft
capital for what I mean, Tunsul and Deebo Samuel, we
only got five picks, if we can get two picks
back another pick here and there, like another bite at
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the app, I think that would be the way to go.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And I see this, I see this, you know, ap
them seem like there are those type of guys when
it comes to just being strategic, you know what I mean, Like,
why pull the trigger if I if I know I
could get them ten slots, you know, and I can
get more and get more.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
For that, ask myself scenarios because every draft it's always scenarios.
All right, we do this every year. It's a run
on quarterbacks, no matter how weak the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Draft is this year, I don't think there's well.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I'm gonna give you a scenario at twenty nine, the
fault rings, all.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Right, Jackson Dark, it's still there. Trade out of it
new on the Saints, won't I mean, I mean want
a draft? Yeah, yeah, I think you gotta take that.
I think you gotta take it.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I don't think, I don't think. I don't think there's
a question if if there's a quarterback there and someone's
trying to get for a quarterback, I'm gonna say give
me what you give me everything you got, and I'm
gonna move back wherever I was talking to you, I
was talking to Mike Renner for he used to do
the PFF stuff. He now does the show with Kyle
Long on whatever CBS, and he was like, dude, yeah,
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like second round and I look at the second and
third round I'm like, dude, I want picks there because
there's good value there, you know what I'm saying. And
there's a little bit of risk associated with that, but.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'm like it's risky.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, yeah, we just like we just talked about the
manual formes. Like Caroline just text me. She's just like Logan.
You know, Jane Daniels was the tenth player on your
board last year. Right, But for me, they're all in
the same tier, those ten players, so like they're all
kind of the same. But I think this is like
this is a good talking for here, right, And quarterbacks
like you're saying, friend, all always go a little bit higher.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Right, Like it's no value you could put on the court. Right,
Like I'm sorry, Like I have watched it doing my draft.
I watched it doing draft before me, and I'm like, man,
it's two positions that shape the dray up every year
because it's just a run on them in this offensive
tackle and this quarterback, Like they don't they have to be.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
A little good to climb up to go.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Because it's it's like it's so much demand for them,
it's so much demand.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Because they just so in the same way as edge
rushers too.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, like they they will push the draft three, they'll
push your draft value down because of their positional work.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So let's talk about for the commanders at twenty nine
if they do stick and pick. Obviously, we just talked
about how we think if they can. And again, you
never know. You need two people to be involved in this, right,
You need someone to want to train up at twenty nine.
Are their positions we don't have to do names? Are
their positions that you say we should be thinking about
this position at twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I can't do positions because I just I don't think
that's how he thinks.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So so what I'm saying so like this is what
i'd say. Yes, I think you're right, he's thinking best
player available. But when I look at this twenty nine pick,
I'm thinking, like, there's gonna be a lot of edge rushers. Yeah,
there's probably gonna be one corner, maybe one safety.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
You don't think Reveil will be there, So I think
I think.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think he'll be there, right, And so that's why
I say one corner, right, there's but if he's gone
ahead of time, I'm not going to pick a corner,
you know what I'm saying. So then there's probably four
edge rushers, there's maybe one offensive lineman, you know what
I'm saying, And it's like we're getting in like a
little bit. There's one linebacker, John Campbell, Like yeah, there's
maybe one running back of Martin Hampton, who i'd probably
wait to take a running back away, Like yeah, Nick
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Gordon Gordon, yeah, I like him a lot. But again
I think if I'm taking an edge and I have
this and this is important, I have the same grade
on all those guys. Yeah, I'm gonna trade back because
they're all the same, Like they're this in the same bucket.
So like Nick Gordon Land and Jackson Donovan is a
roku the gif from Boston College, like the putting on
this a lot, dude and it and talk about a
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guy that's a Dan Quinn type of guy.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
What about Morrison?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Benjamin Morrison, so the hip thing, he's the corner from Notre.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Dame like him and Ravelo got the injury.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, you know, but the ACL I'm a little bit
more comfortable with withvon ravel from East Carolina obviously has
an ACL injury. A little bit more comfortable that because
you know the timetable, right, Yeah, Like when you get
a dB who's got multiple hip surgeries, I'm a little
bit like or even even Josh Simmons, the tackle from
Ohio State, who I love. I think he could be
there like Taurres Potello. Like that's a weird rehab for me.
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You know, I'm not super comfortable with it.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So is because I know y'all dive in a little
deeper than I ever do when it comes to the draft.
Save instance, we and that we had that twenty ninth pick,
and we know how strong or not so strong this
running back class is.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
But the running back that is very strong, we know
that much.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, But the running back that we all kind of
like tray Bon, He's sitting there available between nine people
got to come to say he might be a second
round pick, but you like, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
He got a lot of first round grade, a lot
of first round grade.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
So this is what I said. This is where like,
this is where trusting your board and trusting your scouts
is important. Right. So I think back to Detroit obviously
when they drafted a linebacker Campbell. Campbell, who is that's
a low position of value contract and then obviously running
back Jumier Gibbs both in the first round, right, and
then they drafted a safety in the first and the second.
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So those are all kind of low value picks. Yeah,
But I think what I what you take from that
is if your grade, if your bucket. Let's say Henderson
is a third tier player and at twenty nine there
shouldn't be that many third tier players left, and you
trust that process, take them, you get it like that,
But that's where you go back to the homework you
did before.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, and is it icing on the cake because I
think for Detroit it was the cake for backs.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But also the way they described him I thought was important.
He was a playmaking weapon and we saw that in
the Playoffam.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But that's my thing.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
When you look at Henderson and you look at the
offense that we have right now, that's a ton of that.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You say, do I wait when I have it right?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, he could come in and impact right now. I
think when they looked at you, they were.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Like, ain't no nothing, it's not another one.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Then CO snatch him up.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
That dude especial.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And I think in a draft it's loaded with running
backs that makes me more comfortable to say I can
get one later.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And just to give.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And for fans, I think people hold in because it's like, oh,
I already heard about Henderson. I've only heard about Henderson,
like you've got C. J. Harvey from Rock.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Henderson is just my favorite.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But I'm saying like in terms of similar skill set,
like you know he's from Florida, right, and then you
got Basiltooting from Virginia Tech. He ran the four three.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Right now in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Shan Smith from s m U Man. He's a converted
wide receiver like with Strake gasoline.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
He can tell he can fly.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
So I look at those guys and I'm like, maybe
the difference between Henderson and those guys is in this
fight is this minister, And so why would I reach
on a guy not reach?
Speaker 4 (37:55):
But why would I spend so much draft capital.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Basically saying that you don't really have to because it's
the other guys that I don't get this guy around.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I want to get him at it's two or three
more games.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
And I think that's one thing that fans have a
hard time with is they hear the same names over
and over and over again and it's like, oh, we
didn't get hitters and this is a terrible draft. It's like, well, shoot,
I actually like player X better than that game. You
know what I'm saying. Like, And it's just trust trust
the organization that they've done more homework than you have
and you have and they know.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I was talking to one of the scouts for a
different team and he was like, how many guys you
think I watched? And I was like, he's the he's
the head of college GUYT. I was like you personally,
He was like, I watched five hundred guys. I write reports,
write reports on five hundred guys.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Love life. His wife mad at him.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well do I mean that's when you That's like, that's why,
that's the job. Job.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
His time of a year, Like I was telling he
was like, how did how is this year different from lansty?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
He was like, last year, I have a store for scratch.
I had never did it.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, this year, I have my routine and I have
hired the guys around me.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
That makes my job.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I got the guys that got to study five hundred
guys that had to get me the report. Now I
got to go back and restudy the guy myself like what.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
God fit, what we need and this to keep and
what value do we get?
Speaker 4 (39:11):
And I think that's why that Cogna go in with
Burst at twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
We go in somewhere around thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And so you did your interview with Adam and I
did an interview with Dan. And one of the things
that I took out of the interview that I thought
was so awesome was like the thing that Adam does
such a good job of is like this is we
tell Adam what we want and what we need, and
he says, let's look at the board and where's the
value in the draft? So you're talking about getting value
and I think like having a guy that's full time
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job is to understand that it's so incredibly important, and.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
That's how you feel rooms by best player available, Like
this is how I got birth into this league.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I was drafted best player vailable. They didn't need me.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
They had three yellow jackets in the room. They were like, no,
he's the highest rated person on the draft.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Int.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, we didn't think he was going second round. I
just knew he was the first round.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, I was you out, you know, No, he just
he just he just.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Showed me why Fred has always been Fred?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
He going the second round.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
I just ran loose on campus, told me about twenty
I told you I was very impressive for it when
I when I met Fred and went home, and then
I watched him play that year because now you know,
when you got to put a person's game with their
face in their mouth, and he talked so much shit
that weekend, I was like, well, I gotta watch this dude.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And even when I didn't watch him, his name was
mentioned Fred Smooth. I say, this guy dog gonnadude really
good ball. So especially as a corner. You know what
I'm saying. I didn't see him going second round. But
you was like the first pick in the second round.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
You no, I was thirty five. Drew Brees with thirty four.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Wow, yeah, I know you.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
You got real like the second round consistent freeze me
chads like I'm the second round.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Our whole second round was scrapball.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
We already told you to two thousand and one classes
up there.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
You know when I showed you that we were the
number four best draft class to just go through.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
If you got free time today, go check it out.
It's like, oh my god, I got.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Them gases in two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yes, Okay, so obviously we feel really good about where
the team's at. You pick the best player, Availabow. We're
excited to see what they do, and I'm trusting that
Adam Peters just done more homework than me, and we're
gonna fight really good football players.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think I just don't think we're gonna make a
first round pick in my head.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
In my head, I think you need someone to trade
up with you. But I think, like I would agree,
I just.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Want to be at the same bar that they have
you had with the mic and.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
The third.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I don't want to be there when you we was
gonna trade basket.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Out of mind, all right.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So that's gonna lead us to our next segment, which
is risk It for the Brisket, and we're doing an
NFC East breakdown the brisket out of the biscuit the biscuit,
I said.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Brisket, Yeah, brisky Land it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And then that's presented by Marsh mclenn agency. You're a
partner in risk and People's strategies. Let's start with the
New York Giants, which feels kind of like a dumpster
fire because they brought in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson,
which is which is fine? I like love and then
who do you fear of those two?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Who do you fear more?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Hey, I hate to say this.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
I don't get into all that because I'm gonna stop
it right here.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Because Bregna, he's gonna put something out there in the air,
and then we're gonna be back here talking be like
see bre you know, talking to men, you know, they're
politicians and way.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
James.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
If I'm a wire receive in the league and I
get a call and they're like, yeah, man, we just
signed James.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Thank God.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I'm like, I'm going to have a year. What do
you do? He will he will give you a chance
to become a hero. Russell Judy. Last year, Julie had
did nothing. Judy, bow the hell out. Julie had did nothing.
Jamie's like this, they ain't gonna get picked. We're gonna
get it. We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And it'll make me play more defensively.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
You know what's crazy with that too. I've heard nothing
but great things about him, Like he's a great teammate
and he's like all the crazy speeches and something. But
I heard guys love playing man. So for me, like,
I just.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Feel like whoever did his lasi they need to go
get him his money back because he still can't see.
But he's still throwing to the other heard that I
just don't throw pick sixes in the next week through
every time I look up chasing somebody, I like, first
of all, if I'm gonna be in a dumpster file,
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I want.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
To have a little fun. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
he gonna bring that, like like.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Russell has already started them. She Mannikins.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
He came in that thing his first He ain't say
let's ride, you know, he said, go big blue.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I can't take this dude.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Man, he's a borderline Hall of Famer, right like I
think so.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He is a borderline Hall of Famer. But I think
the tail end of his career is starting to teeter it.
You see what I'm saying. I think he did enough
early man one super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
He's a He's an interception away from being a two
time champ man.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
But guess what you did say? Do you blame him?
He's sitting math Malcolm Bulets from Mississippi.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
He's from a town called Vicksburg, Mississippi, fifteen miles away
from Jackson.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
They were throwing parades for Macca, for mathcolums, all.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Kinds of stuff because of Russell now Riches, Richard Sherman,
and the legion of Dude, most of them first first.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Ballot Hall of famers. I think Russe is one of
those guys because.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
If Eli went the first ballot, I don't know if
Rusk get in Man, I think.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
In, but I look at it like this, get back
to the point or the question. Yeah, I think Jameis
Winston is a guy who I'm afraid of.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Do you think it keeps him from drafting a quarterback? No? No,
they're not gonna draft what are They picked him three
four four?
Speaker 5 (45:08):
And that's the crazy part about it. They do they
draft your door?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
If the door is sitting there and they still have
the third pick, do they draft your door?
Speaker 5 (45:15):
And then now, how how does how does this pan out?
Speaker 3 (45:18):
All the Pat mahons treatment you know what I'm saying,
Let him so this is the this is why we're
not going to spend too much more time with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
It feels like a dumpster fire because basically the owner
came out last year and said I probably should fire
the GM and the head coach, and then he didn't
fire them, And so now you get the GM and
the head coach making these personnel decisions to keep their jobs.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
They might not be there.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
They might not be there. So are you gonna draft
a quarterback?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
They were saying, I can draft a quarterback because I
cannot deny that. The owner gonna be like, we still
got a future here, and the future is not James
in the future is not Russell Wilson like.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
So you' so if you if you I'm the I'm
the I'm the owner, you're the head coach, you're making
a pitch to me.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
You're trying to quarterback, and I'm gonna tell you, like this, Okay,
I need to bring a venturing in here to stabilize
us like we got we got we got the champions
of the NBA and NFL in our division. We got
an up and coming Washington team, and we got Dak Prescott.
And to play against these guys, I'm gonna need a
guy that been there and done it right now.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
I don't need a guy that's learning on the job
right now. Now.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
I can't have one of these Venturans with Jamis and Russell,
teach your doer how to be a pro, how to
be in here.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
But I cannot put a rookie on the field.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
But this year, do you feel like if if Saud
comes into that that room, do you think he's the
best player week one?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
No, think about you?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Okay. So I have done very little quarterback watching this
year because we don't need one. I'm excited about that,
but I will say when I have watched him that it's.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Not He doesn't have the strong his arm right now,
and I don't know if he can spin it in
that stadium. You know what that stadium does the quarter
now champin it and survived in there, So that gives
me faith that should do it can survive in there.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
But I don't.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
But I heard I heard what the man name is.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
He was my gym when I was there, Tennemball. Yeah,
I heard him.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Give him give us your door. A comp with Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So do you think kirtis the fourth round pack?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
But I'm saying to the point, that's the reason why
I ask that question, Like if you comport him with
Kurt Nofense.
Speaker 5 (47:22):
I love Kurt.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I thought Kurt.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
He was precise, He was accurate. You know, he did
everything that she had to do to win. So with
that being said, if they're looking at him more of
an accurate quarterback, that just kids, because I feel like
I saw a little more than that in college from him.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Though. He made plays.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
With not with his legs most of the time, but
his one dimensional with the way he makes plays.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
He throws himself out of trouble.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Now the one thing that knock on him and says
he holds the ball a long time. Yes, well that's
just all. It ain't no perfect prospects, like all of us,
come to the league with.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Something to work on. I think coaching to get him
out of it.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
I just think he ain't the tight to say, here,
the franchise, take.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Us to victories.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I wouldn't do that. Not that you do it now.
Cam is a different question to cam Ward. I think
cam Ward has enough seat to get him out of trouble,
to help him survive.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
He's ricky.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
So obviously giants got a lot of stuff to work on,
and it'll be interest to see what they do. Are
they picking up three or four?
Speaker 4 (48:18):
I forget, no, it's three, Yeah, forget what either two,
But we don't care. We're not gonna feel sorry for
the giants, like never feel sorry for the giants.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
All right, So yeah, weird off season for that.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Let Jerry cook, That's all I got to say. Listen.
I love to.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Let him do what he's doing. He does the oddest things.
He waits so long to pay these players, and.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
He always paid.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
He played top ten players, top five money. He does
it on such a high level.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
They it's all strange, man, I can't I can't wrap
my head around it, Like just what what is the
philosophy he has?
Speaker 1 (49:00):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
And I understand, like it's a family driven.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Business, That's what I'm saying. Anything, it's business more than
I'm like. But but just to say that they still
have found a way to be one of the teams.
That's I know they talk about them because of because
of the star, because they're married, number one popular, But
besides last year, they have won you know what I mean,
They was winning the last what three the last four
years they won three.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
Seasons in the regular season regular the whole knock on them,
and they knocked that press gott my Misisippi State Board dog.
They cannot win in the playoffs, and they cannot win
in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
If it's the it's always something. If it ain't the coaches,
it's the players. If it ain't the players, it's the coaches.
If it ain't the coaches, it's the owner. If it's
just something like, I don't think they have a culture,
and especially now that I'm seeing with and filling this culture,
I don't think they have a coach because coachre is
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winning over everything, and I think them is we're going
to play on national TV seven games you no matter what,
the brand gonna be strong. That's all we care about.
And it shows in their playing because it.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Ain't no way. And I love that.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
You know, I'm a big deck guy myself that is
not supposed to be the highest paid quarterback in football.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, but I think when you get to the point
of where he's at, wherever that tier has you, you
have to get paid whatever it saying you deserve to
get paid.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I totally understand.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
But when you got a guy, I don't think a
lot of these guys getting paid what they're worth right now.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
They getting paid what the market say.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
What the market says that then you have guys.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Like Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
You have these other guys that say we're gonna figure
this contract out to where I still need players, like it's.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
A way to get it done.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
I just think they don't go right about especially if
I'm in the Dalla GM. The first thing I'm selling
to these guys, five million in Texas is different than
five million in DC. You're gonna get the whole five here,
So let's let's start there. Let's start the money ways
little bit more than I don't.
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Think they have those that that tax over there tax problems.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
They don't have any come tax. They don't have state
tax tax. Yeah, they don't have state tax. So therefore,
just like Florida, you get the whole check.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, but you know that comes out and property tax
probably absolutely right, but gonna get you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah. The doctor interesting. Obviously they fired their their head
coach they brought in.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
So nobody gonna get in love of Shoheim.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
But I mean, like one to know him.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
We don't know him.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Tell us about Brian.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
He's very intelligent, very smart, and this is what he
come this is what he's gonna bring to the table
that I think the last coach did. He's going to
run the ball. He believes in running the ball. Daddy
believed in running the ball. He's going to run the ball.
His first thing he's going to address is who's in
the backfield. I think they already signed a couple of
running backs in his offseason.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
He's going to get try to get.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
That offensive linebacks solidified, and he's gonna try to take
the game out of Dak's hands.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, the so, I mean, that's just an interesting situation
to me, like different than New York, but kind of
feels the same way. It feels like they're just kind
of stuck it in neutral. And then you know, but you.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Gotta be sad if you're a Cowboy because you got
a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Like it's like they definitely the Giants feel like they're
in a rebuild and the Cowboys feel like they should
be full pedal of the gas, let's go, but they
just kind of sticking to the neutral.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
They do they sign partsons before the season, stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
They should they should do so the Bettle they should
they should done it last year.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Just sooner the Bettle just go sound Indeed, is I
really looked down the roster, but.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
That's gonna put that's gonna handicap them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Quarterback, I think the Giants might have a better roster.
That's an interesting that's an interesting thought, especially now, like
and everyone thinks of the Giant the Cowboys great offensive lines,
banged up, got a lot of young guys in the group.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Kind of the Giants have always been strong everywhere else,
but quarterback lately right now.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Because you look at Timberda, you look at Launch, you
look at the lineback and court you look.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
At has always been a question with Danny Jones. Everybody
else has been everybody else.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Been solid, Like y'all, they the Giants got players.
Speaker 5 (53:11):
They just jay Don is gonna be fighting for a
starting job over then Indy. They said they let both
of those guys.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
I think the only thing they messed up with Richard
is if the dude ain't play football in college, you
gotta let him play lay.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I think they're to be there is like, that's Anthony
Richards is a really interesting example to me. And this
is a little bit of a digression of why understanding
the person is so important, because like, there's certain guys
that can play a little bit of football, but they're
like pros. You know on time, and I've heard that
he's got some maturity issues worked through. And when you
just give somebody who's still young figure like they sometimes crashed,
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I think so, and I.
Speaker 4 (53:50):
Just feel like he's very much with a San Francisco quarterback,
Trey uh Lance.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Trey Lance had played, he had played no games.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
He had played one story year, just like AK forty
seven played one starting year.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
And now you get to the leagues and.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Everybody over ripped, everybody got more reps than you. And
now you're playing ketchup. And now you're playing ketchup with
a team that's taking you in and out, in and out,
in and out. You never even get a groove, like
sometimes I need you to take a step back. By
Nazi scene going out there playing to take a step forward,
but just not letting him do it.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Absolutely all right. So that was just the Philia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Are they better?
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Are they worse? Are they the same?
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I don't think you ever can stay the same. You
need to get better. How you get worse?
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Now, I can't say that before the draft because you
just don't know what Howie Rose and don't do.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
And the draft, like, man, let's look at who already lost,
they lost Big Play, they lost defensive.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
Linement Wife, they lost Big Milton, they lost Sweatt. But
they also drafted some guys that they've been holding in
the wings like they do.
Speaker 5 (54:54):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
They always have.
Speaker 5 (54:55):
They got back.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, they guy guys that they holding the wings.
Speaker 4 (54:59):
But when you it was a buttering like Graham, Brandon Grant,
that's a stable now and we ain't talking sack numbers,
were talking prison culture.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
So the one thing I can say about Philadelphia, I
hate to say this, it tastes like throw up in
my mouth day when it comes to veterance. Culturally, they
keep their veterans longer than anybody. Lence Johneson been there
a long time. Fletcher Cox started his career, they'll finish
the career the Brandon Graham started his career, they'll finish
his career. Like they have faces and people that has
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been stalwarts in their locker room.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
And some of these guys are gone.
Speaker 5 (55:34):
So offensively, they still intact though they have.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
All they lost.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Mackay beck Lance is getting got a year older now
he ain't getting young. So you know they still Johnson
the bone, they still got their backbone out.
Speaker 1 (55:50):
Think Yeah, I think as long as the offensive line,
like you said, for they always are developing offensive line,
Like Tyler Steen has been there for two years. He's
good back up, you know what I mean. They've got
pieces there that make that thing work.
Speaker 5 (56:00):
I think they and neutral right now.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
But I think the one thing for me is that
they were really healthy last year. I don't think they
can be that healthy this year.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
We were.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
I think there's gonna be a regression, yeah, for sure.
And that leads to me to the last question. Okay,
so we've had a new division winner NFC. Is that
a new division winner every season since two thousand and four?
Obviously the Eagles won last year, right, m hm. I
feel like this is the Commander's year.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
This is is our year, right, it feels that way.
Take it to the bank. It is.
Speaker 5 (56:28):
I mean, we got a tougher schedule, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (56:32):
Like the one thing I always say to people when
they say you got a tough schedule, I say, it's
no fair dodging.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
You gotta play everybody anyway. We showed that when we
went to Detroit. We showed that in.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Temple when it come to playing the big dogs, we
can play the big dogs and now we just got reinforcements,
So I'm fine with it. And we know the chronological
thing in this division where something always happens to the
division leader the next year and injury you brought it
up is the number one calls and falling a step back,
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and sometimes it only need to happen to one person,
you know what I'm saying. So I just think, also,
I think we're looking forward to playing them, Like I
don't think our group is saying we don't want none
of them. They say, yeah, we won't, we want some
of them. So if I was a bet man right now,
I had to go to the casino and bet I
would put my money down as a Command's winning the
division next year.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah, I mean it's exciting like that. It's an exciting
time to be a Commanders fan for sure. Like I
look at I'm like, dude, like there's a great opportunity
for this team to do a lot of good things.
They've gotten better, feels like everybody else in the division
feels like they've kind of stayed status quo. Yeah, so
maybe this is the time which should be pretty fantastic.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
Well, like this, we're not gonna sneak up on anybody, nobody,
everybody gonna give us their best.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
But I do think the thing you a better strength
of schedule will be really interesting because you're playing better quarterbacks,
you're playing better teams. You do have to grow up
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Well, I feel like the schedule. Everybody feel like this.
I always say this.
Speaker 1 (57:58):
You don't know the schedule. You don't know this.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
The seasons until you play those teams not going to
be the same either.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I just look at quarterbacks, so that's that's what I want,
and the quarterbacks are better, so usually that makes it
harder on defenses. And then if it's harder on the defense,
you gotta score more points. So that's high level.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Just about the South part of the schedule last year,
because it was not the AFC North, that's a vision
of the visions.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
It was. It was the South. That's it, right, Because if.
Speaker 4 (58:28):
Now we're going to play who the West in the
AFC with Kansas City, I think that's comparable to Baltimore
and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
So if I look at it, is this Grinton schedule
really changing?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
I just think NFL football is NFL football. Thirty two
teams can beat you.
Speaker 5 (58:45):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
I look at the quarterbacks though, and I'm like, and
that you got Patrick Mahomes, you got Herbert? You know
what I mean? There's like better Herbert.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Listen to me, y'all have been putting Herbert.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
He's a good player.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
He's a good player. But is he a gamer?
Speaker 4 (58:59):
He just like if I write him on piece of paper,
he is determinator like six four like cannon of is
he a gamer?
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Singing?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
I mean there's times he's look at so look at
that offense last year. Look at what they had an
offense last year. They had a backed up offensive line
that Lad mccaukey and that's it. And it was like Herbert,
and they weren't a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
It was. But is he a game? Have we seen
this person before?
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Who you got? You got a compidmind?
Speaker 2 (59:29):
What you got? I have no company? Mind?
Speaker 4 (59:31):
I'm asking you because we had a couple of quarterbacks
in this league that has been all right.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Trevor Lawrence, he's way better than Trouble.
Speaker 4 (59:39):
What I'm saying is the prince who was promised God's gift.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
The quarterbacks all right, but can't get over the hump.
Speaker 5 (59:48):
That's more so that's more so with his team though
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (59:54):
Coming out Yeah, I don't know if I told you
that why, because I just was like, he's too it's
too robotic. There wasn't like like when you watch like
Jade's a good example, this Strake May Caleb Williams example. This,
there was a they're playing, they're playing the game.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
They letting the game come up and they figured it
out about the game.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
And I felt like there was a lot of design
touches for Trey Lance and there was a lot not
Lawrence Lawrence, and there was a lot of kind of
like not a lot of ball arc variants. So I
had one throw one club and quarterbacks that have one
club usually. So again I didn't think. I didn't think
he was going to be like this, But I never
(01:00:32):
was like.
Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
This is one thing I have always hated. I respect
quarterbacks simply like Drew Brees. Drew Brees was purduced. He
didn't have no first round there wide receive, didn't have
no first round. In running back, I like, I like
guys that carry their team. Like so when I see
a quarterback from Alabama, I'd be like, I don't know,
I see a quarterback that had ten first round is
on this team. I'm like, how good are you really?
(01:00:56):
And this is what Trema Lowens had sam.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I mean that was some of the conversation with Jake
Dails last year, right because.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
He had those two Poe de receivers.
Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
But I also seen games break down and the unst
you and him just take it over.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Like the Alabama game comes, I mean, well.
Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
And they wasn't the best team. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
They wasn't the best team that was out there. That's
why I'd be like, yeah, I take him because it's.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Some games that broke down. And he just said, you
know what, Florida, I take over this game.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I said, yeah, I mean, uh yeah. So I can't
wait to watch to see if the team can pull
out against tougher schedules schedule when the division, which should
be fantastic. We'll see if Justin Herbert is the real deal.
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