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Future Hall of Fame Linebacker London Fletcher is joined by 10-Year NFL Tight End Logan Paulsen and Bram Weinstein to give reactions to the Washington Commanders victory over the New York Giants!   Hosts: London Fletcher, Logan Paulsen, Bram Weinstein         Get Your Commanders Tickets Here: https://bit.ly/4jfZA45         Location: BigBear.ai Command Center Studio         The views and opinions expressed by our analysts and/or hosts are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the Washington Commanders or any of their representatives.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Coming up on this edition of The Booth Review. We
won finally.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh man, we're dusting up the heavyweight championship built.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yeah, is it Bobby or Bill and Fletch? How many
steps she got left?

Speaker 4 (00:12):
You think, ooh about one and a.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Possible not as many as Philip Rivers. That's coming up
next on the Booth Review. Welcome into the latest edition
of the Booth Review. I'm Bram Weinstein with logan Paulson.
London has technical difficulties today, unfortunately not with us. We're
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are in the Big Bear AI Command Center studio. What

(00:36):
do we blame it on the weather because it's like
freezer face off cold here, can't connect.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
It is pretty fez your face off cold. It's also
the wind, show man. It's like temperature wise, not that cold,
but it's the wind. Like walking from the car, I
was like, man, it is uh, it's a little chili
and it was a little chilly up in New York.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Actually, so you know, we got all that snow and
then it stopped and then it was really really cold
up there. It was funny because we were like way
up you were in the booth with us yesterday instead
of being on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank god, I know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Like it was actually warmer than I thought it was
going to be up therese We're like on the sixth
floor of Metlake Stadium, and I thought it was going
to be you know, bone chilling freezing the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It really wasn't that bad yet.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
But it was funny, so like I had the same thought.
I was like, oh, it's actually kind of nice up here.
I had a nice winter coat on and I didn't
put any of my you know, like my thermal stuff on,
and so then I had to go down and do
the interviews.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
And when I got to the field it was cold
negative four.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Yeah, it was very cold, and like so again like
it was uh like I usually handled the cold really well,
don't need like a hat, gloves, hype of deal. But
I had gloves, hat on, a couple of layers on
up top, and I just had some slacks on and
it was like just cutting through whatever I had on.
So those guys, I mean, it might not look cold
on TV yesterday, but once I got on the sideline,
it was a different, different ball of wax.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
For sure. They won. It's been a while. They did win.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's been a while, So what does it mean to
you to end the losing streak?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I mean, shoot, man, like you know it was.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
It's such an interesting dynamic talking about this when it
is kind of polarizing in a lot of ways. Like
there's this camp that says, oh, you know, they should
have tanked for the draft pick.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
We can get into that.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think we should. We should definitely talk
about it. And then there's also the camp that says
they need it. From morale, I'm definitely like maybe it's
the former player in me, Like I'm not a big
tank guy, you know, Like there was a period of
time like this week, actually, I think I'm going to
talk to you about it, where like if you could
get the first pick overall, I just started doing my
draft stuff for the Ticket of the Draft podcast, which
I do with Jason, and you know, it seems like
Fernanda Mendoz is going to be the first pick overall.

(02:28):
And when the quarterback is the first pick, and there's
a lot of quarterback needing teams and you have a
quarterback that comes with a big price tag, I don't
think there's any way they would have gotten to that
first pick. So for me, it's like you're going to
be picking at five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
Potentially there's going to be a good football player in there.
And then obviously, like when you start looking at the
draft landscape, because of how this draft is structured, again,
it's early early in the in the in there's no combine,

(02:51):
there's no Senior Bowl. Yet there's a good player there
and they're all about the same. So like to me,
it's like you're going to tank to pick at five
instead of pick it. That doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. So to me, especially given the losing
streak that they had been on, I feel like they
needed it for just morale, man, just good vibes, you know.
And I think we've talked about that a little bit too.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, I mean here's a good point. Like the Giants
had third overall pick, they got Abdul Carter. That's looking
all right.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean he's gonna play like so it's funny because
he was that flicking al right.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I always had some there's some issues with some benchings
that occurred. But you watch him yesterday and you watch
him in the game before, where he got benched at
the start against New England. And don't tell me that
this guy doesn't look like he's gonna be a menace
for a long time. So you don't have to pick
number one to land on great players that I think
can help you out well.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
I mean, even like with our draft this last year,
I think you look at Tree Moos like he was
the sixty fourth pick, right, you look at Josh Carterly,
I think he's going to be an absolute stud.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
He's the twenty ninth pick.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
I think if you understand schematically like what you're looking
for in the draft, you can find guys, even this
Abdul carter thing, like I think they were using him
incorrectly in New York earlier this season, and obviously with
the new DC they kind of said you're gonna play
more full time. Like people think it's the player, but
it's also the system. It's also the coaches, is also
the environment you're going to And I think, to Adam
Peter's credit, I think he's done a good job of

(04:09):
finding people that fit that. And I think you can
definitely find somebody between five and twelve, yes, that fit
that for this team.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
But what you need I want.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
To go back to the idea of tanking too, which
I also do not believe in really just kind of
at my core, I don't think that that's a good
way to be organizationally, Like don't you want people here
who are all about winning at all costs? Like the
Saints aren't tanking. They just beat New Orleans. They just
beat Tampa Bay and Carolina back to back weeks, right,

(04:40):
like it matters to them. They may or may not
necessarily have their starting franchise quarterback. The only scenario by
which I could hear out a like, well our record
is what it is, maybe be all right if we lost,
is if you need the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
We don't need that.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I don't really even get the idea of doing
anything like that. And I think if you are about
anybody anywhere, anytime you are talking about standards that need
to be met, at what point do you throw those
out the window and say, well, now it's time to lose.
I just don't think that that fits with the core
mantra of what any team, let alone this team should

(05:16):
be about.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, and again, like I was a put a caveat
on this, like if they had an opportunity to get
the first pick over all of the drafts, I'd say
maybe you give it a shot, because you get a
lot of draft capital, you get more bites at the apple.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Interestingly, that's the Giants right now, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Which I think is probably good for them. It's gonna
be a great opportunity because if they feel like Jackson
darts the guy, which after watching yesterday and prepping this
for this last game, I would say, it looks like
he's got a shot to be the guy. Trade of
that spot, you get some more first round draft capital,
and again, in a year where it's quarterback light like
that'd be that pick becomes more valuable obviously.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
I think it's uh, but that's me talking at it
from a kind of front office maybe point of view,
or from like an if not knowing how an NFL
football team works on the day to day, just kind
of stepping back and being like, yeah, it'd be great
if they had more draft capital.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
That's how you get back on you know, and infuse
the roster of talent. But to your point, I think
you hit the nail on the head there, like, this
is not who this team is purported to be right.
They've purported to be something a little bit different, which
is uh, they want to win all the time. And
it looks like we got big fletching here. Huh yeah,
look at look at that.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Look at this guy. You're making an appearance.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
What do you think I might have a future at
IT support?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Who is the tech support? Didn't you call it? You
called branch support? Oh?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I did it myself. I got a little you know,
a couple of little tricks, man.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
So it was usually, it was usual the whole time,
is what you're telling us?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Uh, you know, listen, you know what that old control
all delete?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, that worked for you.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I had to shut the whole system down and it
rebooted and in work.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
There you go. We're back at it. It's good to
have you here, buddy. We were just talking about tanking,
to tank or not to tank, and then how important
the win was. If you want to catch up on
the conversation real quick.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I don't know what you touched on.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But for for us, we at the guys on the
field and the coaches, there's no such thing as taking.
You cannot ever go into a game thinking trying to lose,
especially in a game like football. You can get hurt
out there not playing as hard as you need to
win a ball game. You're going to prepare the same

(07:30):
way you're gonna from a coaching standpoint, from a player standpoint,
we try to win every single game that we play,
and we want to feel good on the Monday or
the day after the game, whatever whatever that day is.
So there's no tanking. That happens with the players and
the coaches, not the front offense.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
However they want to have.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
That, that's up to them and from and from a
thought process standpoint, But right now, all we concern about
is try to win football games.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
And also I think there's us like an emotional confidence
that you get from this. Right Like you know, you're
on a little bit of a skid, like what is it,
eight games they lost, Like you got to get something
that gets you back on track, and you know, this
wasn't the cleanest game of all time, wasn't the prettiest
game all the time. But I think psychologically it's just
basically kind of says, hey, guys, like our process, the

(08:20):
thing we've been doing this entire time, there is some validity,
there is some value to it, and so I don't
know that was the other thing. You know obviously, Tank,
you know your standards, like you talked about Bram, But
also I just think it just get what's a little
bit of the load off you and says, hey, we
can do this thing. What we have been doing is working,
and what dan Quinn has been preaching this whole time

(08:41):
is the right kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Winning changes everything. I literally, literally literally everything you know,
just from from a business perspective, ticket sales, sponsorship, interest activations,
all of that changes. Winning for a locker room changes
literally everything. Players want to be here, players want to
take part in this, Players play hard, They get opportunities

(09:03):
that they may or may not get outside of a
team that's not on a winning organization. And you get
the opportunity to play on a team that can play
for a championship. For coaches, this is raises and opportunities,
Like for people like myself who do programs like this,
like we get more engagement when the team wins. Winning
is literally good for everybody. And at this point, and
at this stage, I think everybody here is aligned, Like

(09:25):
there is not a single person here that believe this
team's record would be what it is. It is but
I don't think that that changes, like I think directionally
of how you feel about what you want to be,
which is we are here to set a standard and
a culture where winning is what we are about.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
And it didn't happen this year.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
But I don't think you changed that because you had
a few losses and I don't get the sets from anybody,
and just especially being around DQ and the players, you
would not know this team's record is what it is
if you interact with them, And I think that that
is kind of a testament to that that mantra is
alive and well here, no one's checked out. Everybody understands
that this is about winning between the lines.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, and a couple of just to kind of add
to that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
The you mentioned about the winning aspect of it, it's
it's hard to kind of running back if you have
a we're all the eight game losing streak, say we
would have lost yesterday and you lose out the rest
of the way twelve game losing streak, it's hard to say, hey,
let's run it back with the same coaching staff. There's

(10:28):
gonna be some changes that take place, so you know
when it winning Yesterday's game. It may may look and say,
all right, you know it can say it could have
saved some guys jobs as well. And then you mentioned
the last year, not after coming off a twelve and
five season to all of a sudden be where we are.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's not this is not the type of situation.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
This is not Philadelphia going through the process type of thing,
type of mindset.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
And I know it's the same ownership, but Josh, here,
mister Harris.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I saw him yesterday after the after the victory, and
he was he was smiling like the ear to ear man.
He was so happy that we won that ball game.
So there's no there's no tanking mentality that's taking place.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
April.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'm sure some fans would be like, oh man, we
would have been in this position.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
We could have possibly gotten that guy. This is not
the NBA.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
One guy is not gonna change the fortunes unless you're
talking about a quarterback so to speak.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
We already got our quarterback, but you know.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Another, it's gonna take multiple new additions to this roster
than just maybe the fifth overall pick or the fourth
overall pick or whatever that that guy might that person
may be.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
No, I think we also like in like the kind
of trajectory of an organization. This is still new, this
front office, this coaching staff, they're in this together to
build something together. This is way too soon in that
type of trajectory to think about those types of changes.
Like there are times where teams have groups that have

(12:01):
been there for a very long period of time and
maybe it's kind of gone. It's either ebbed out to
where it got to wherever it got to, and it's
ebbed out, and you feel like the time is right
to make those types of changes, and maybe you think
about the results at the end of the year. That's
not where this team is nowhere near it. So for
those reasons as well, I think it's very important stay

(12:22):
the course, try to win every game you can play,
every game you play. I think it's important for everybody,
and I agree for morale, this was so necessary in
the building for all of us. We're all breathing easier today.
I don't care that that had eleven pedalties and a
couple turnovers. They won. It is the most important part
of this I think today, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
I mean, it's nice to be talking about a win,
right Fletch, Like, oh yeah, we've been in a dark
spot for a while.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
So nice to be talking about a win. I see
him get that done for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I'll say this, And I know, I don't know if
it was I said this to brab Or. I know,
I think it was brab I don't know if it
was you as well. I love it when I said,
man was going to be a lot, a lot more
engaging of more enjoyable to do after a win. So
it's tough when you're losing a bunch of games to

(13:11):
come out here and try to you know. I mean,
it's just as much as.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
More to go through it. Yeah, it's just a tough
thing to talk to.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Therapy sessions in here. All right, let's talk about some
of the moments in the game. The end of first
half sequence. I think if the Minnesota game was the
story was kind of told on they didn't score in
the red zone ninety eight yard dride. That really kind
of flipped that game and said it the wrong way.
The end of half sequence yesterday against the Giants to
me was and I know a million things happened in

(13:39):
the second half which we can get to, but really
changed everything about it. Tressways punt do not under sell
Tressways punt from around the five yard line that pin
them back to the twenty five. They get a stop
punt return, touchdown, pick field goal, nine points going the
other way as they head in to the break. I

(14:01):
think it cannot be underrated what that was for yesterday
as well.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Not at all, but I think we need to point
out on them doing the broadcast. Logan mentioned Vince Lombardi
because it was a third and twenty situation.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I believe.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
I mean you were talking about like what'd you say?
You said, you know, when you throw the ball, three
things can happen, and two of them are bad.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think that is a Lombardi quote.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Actually, so yeah, it might even be.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I might even be underestimate how many bad things can happen.
What you can have incompletion are sad, interception, fumble. It's
four things that can happen. Four bad things can happen
possible completion. But if you just hand that ball off
and get whatever yards you can get and less punt
the football. And also I think it forced it forced

(14:49):
the Johants to use one of their timeouts. If I'm remember, yeah,
charge me correctly and then trust I mean he had
a booming punt, which like he was he that punt
right there. I don't know that the broadcast, the TV broadcast,
I don't know if they mentioned how great of a
punt that was, but I know we did during our broadcast.

(15:11):
That was a outstanding punp and coverage by was it
who made the tackle on that?

Speaker 5 (15:17):
So yeah, it was Tyler Owens was first down that
Nick Belaora was there and I think Reeves was the
guy that kind of finished it off. But like literally
it looked like a swarm of people down there, and
you know, Tyler Owens is getting that single coverage on
the gunner side to the field. They're trying to get
a sideline return to the vice down on Percy Butler,
and he just did a great job winning one on one,
slowed him up enough didn't allow him to kind of
attack downhill the returner, and a great job by the

(15:39):
coverage unit. I mean really like that's because like you
walked like this is the thing that I had, Like
we mentioned on the broadcast a little bit. It's like, yes,
if you run the football and you punt and you
get a stop, you get the ball back, and it
like logistically that's gonna work out, right, but you got
to excute the things. And so to see them execute
those moments, specifically the punt and then the coverage I
thought was outstanding, and then for them to kind of

(16:01):
get like look like a like a like a dominant defense.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Right.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
They got a pressure on first down, they got a
sack on second down, Bobby Wagoner has a huge hit
on third down, They punt, it carries that the wind
ends up being the return. It was just all it
was like if you had four plays, five plays in
a row, they could have been executed perfectly. I felt
like this is what we got there, and that's why
it felt like such a special moment.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, there was going to be some openings for
special teams this week. That Giants had just given up
a punt return touchdown. A couple weeks prior to England,
they gave up Yes, that was the last game before
their bye week. They had given up a number of
long returns. Their punter was hurt, so it was a
different punter. The wind conditions, we didn't know what kind
of hang time they were going to get. This was
wide open, and I did like it was pretty telling.

(16:43):
Jalen Lane was a captain yesterday and dan Quinn had
talked about last week. You know, he had some rough
spots in the season. He had the big punt return
early in the season, he had a misplayed ball. Remember
I can't remember which game it was, Yeah, where they
were buried, like inside their five yard line. He'd had
a fumble somewhere else. He had been thrust into a
role that I don't think they ever intended to put
him in because of all the injuries that had occurred

(17:05):
at the receiver position, and he was kind of learning
on the fly and asked to make some plays that maybe,
you know, he and his development wasn't up to. And
he's gotten through to this point where they saw the
confidence return to him. And he had been talking about
with Brian Mitchell, who shared with us, you know that
he felt like he was gonna pop one again pretty soon.
This was right for this to happen. They named him
a captain, He did the pregame speech on the field,

(17:27):
and then yeah, all of a sudden, you know, there
he was taking off for them here at the end
of the season.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
He blacked out during the pregame spread.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
He tell you that the postgame and I asked him.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I go because he was pretty he was speaking in
tongues and I'm like, what did you say.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
To the team.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
He goes, I don't know. I blacked out.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Sometimes you do, man, you're get in front of the guys,
just start saying all sorts of craziness. But I think,
like to your point, Bram, it's nice to see people
now that the receiving group specifically is healthy. He'd like
to be in the roles that they're supposed to be in.
I think, you know, like now that he can focus
on that catch up ball and be courageous and fast
and exposedive of getting that hill on that part returning again,
he's still playing on the offense, but his role is limited,

(18:07):
and I think like this is what happens when the
depth is the way it should be from an offensive standpoint.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it's tough for a rookie to to be asked
to do so much because it's just just as a
returner in itself, that's a big responsibility as a pun returner.
Number One thing, you got to catch that football and
depending on I mean these punters, they can do some
tricky things with these football nowadays, whether it's having kind

(18:34):
of a quirky twist on his spind the height, the
hang time, all the different things you're trying to judge.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
They do our fair catches do I try to return it.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So there's a lot of different things that come into
play just from that standpoint. Then you add the thing
that he deroded he was playing as a receiver and
asked to come in on a third down or play
a lot more than you know, you thought would have
been the role from him as at the beginning of
the season. That's a lot on a young guy's played

(19:06):
in as you mentioned, with the receiving corp being a
lot healthier, now I can just focus really on just
being a return guy. And I still he'll still study
and be prepared to play a role as a receiver,
but he knows he's not going to be one of
those top three guys to start off in a ball game.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, first time since ninety four that Washington had two
punt returns for a touchdown same season. Last person to
do it Brian Mitchell, greatest returner of all time. All Right,
here's another one that really kind of stood out to me.
Lane has an up and down rookie season, but has
huge moments that he's going to remember in big portions
of wins that they've had. Bill Krosskey Merritt came out

(19:47):
of the gate. He was a gangbusters playmaker, huge yardage
part of this what was top five rush offense. Early
in the year he was had a reduced role. The
season was kind of going along yesterday Chris Rodriez unavailable
groin injury. You're taking on a team who gives up
the most yards per carry in the NFL, specifically on

(20:09):
the outside. This felt like there was an opening for
him to have a big bounce back game, first one
in a while, and he did too. What did you
see from him yesterday?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, man, I think you know it's funny.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
I went back and watched the film, watch all the
runs last time we got back to the house, and
like there was some messy looks.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
They kind of played some.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Different difficult fronts to block versus runs they called they
did a little bit of like safety and nickel pressure
that made it tough to kind of get stuff targeted
in terms of safety or terms of receivers what they
had to do. And so I do think like the
offensive line was competitive and that the tight ends were competitive,
but there weren't It wasn't always clean, and so think
testament to build to kind of make sure you're hitting
in the right spot. Like even on his touchdown run,

(20:48):
like there's a little bit of a miscommunication between Beanish
and Chris Paul, but he does a good job pressing
it then cuts it back late and is able to
kind of still help those other blocks sync. So I
think he did a lot of things that stood out
to me as being very positive, even though the environment
that he was running the football into wasn't always the best.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
So you know, I think we saw some of his
natural ability.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
I thought he was a little bit more patient and again,
like I don't want to put lipstick on a pig here,
Like he did a great job, but obviously the New
York Giants have struggledtopp on the run all year, So there.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
You go, logan out, don't do that, no.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Dude, Sorry, We're sorry, but I'm saying like, but so
even though like it was a little bit messy, he
did a good job. And I think there's a lot
of things to be excited about and in a performance
that you know, like like like we talked about in
the and the and the and the booth review or
and then the booth yesterday, Like, you're able to run
the ball more because you're protecting a lead. He was
able to get more touches, We're able to get more

(21:40):
exposures to the run game, We're able to run the
football to steal the win, and so I think all
those factors kind of coalesced the having a pretty solidate e.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
This is only the third time all year they scored first.
Umber one crazy, this is the only This is the
first time they've had a double digit point lead since
the Chargers game, which was their last win before there
had It's been two months since they had a double
digit lead and they.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Had Rare had scored first.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
They've been playing from behind in every single game, and
it obviously made a difference for Bill.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I thought another thing that Bill did he ran with
more power than we had seen from him in the past.
You mentioned the patience, and we know he has the
explosiveness and the jump cut ability and the splee speed,
but he ran with some power that multiple on multiple
occasions that we quite frankly had not seen a lot

(22:28):
of that. And he he mentioned to us that he
wanted to add a lot of different He wants to
be kind of considered a back that can do it all,
not just a kind of an outside perimeter type back
and a speed type of back, scat back, so to speak,
but one back that can do it all. You can, Hey,
if you need tough yards between the tackles, he can

(22:49):
do that. If if you need an explosive play, you
can do that. So he mentioned he wanted to there's
some things that he wants to work on in the offseason.
But I was impressed with the power that he ran
with on a lot of those runs he was hitting it.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
There was not any dancing that he was doing.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
A couple of times during it was a stretch during
the season where he was dancing a little bit and
you started to see kind of some of his carriers
go to a sea Rod or McNicholas because they're like,
hey man, there's sometimes you just got to run it
up in there, and he did that yesterday.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Let me bring up another player that stood out. Ben
Sitt was got one of the biggest plays of the
game late great call. I thought too when they caught
him down the scene that wasn't a game felt like
it was going to be a game ceiling catch. I
don't think it was. It ended up being that way.
Sinate has really kind of grown into a role this
year where they're moving him. He's become an outstanding blocker.

(23:47):
But in light of the injury to zach Ertz, all
of a sudden, we're asking the question of is there
a future in that role for either him or Kolson Yankov.
What did you see so far in what was the
first game that we did not have Zach Ertz on
the field?

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, I mean, obviously that role that Zach had, I
don't think anybody kind of stepped in and filled it
quite honestly.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think what was the team?

Speaker 5 (24:08):
They were three for ten or eleven on third down
and that's a role that Zach's been really excellent at
this year so far, and obviously Ben and Colson didn't
get any targets in those stage situations. The one the
play that comes to mind is Terry McLaurin on the
slant on the third and three kind of to start
the game off. But I do feel like they're still
trying to figure out offensively how to replace Zach's production.

(24:28):
I think you see a nice catch from John Baits
up the seam off of play action. I think you
see Colston Yankoff again heavy personnel play action. They're trying
to stop the run in a four minute situation, does
a great job kind of slipping the safety on the seam. Like,
I think that's where you're going to see their targets,
which to me is like on first and second down
as opposed to you know, kind of the traditional zach
Ertz target menu, which is on third down and in

(24:48):
the red zone. So I think they're still kind of
exploring how best to replace Zach, and I think I
think that's something that's going to be really challenging for
the rest of the year because Zach. I don't think
people understand, you know, maybe lay people understand how good
Zach was in those moments, and so it's not like
you just give that to the second second round pick
from last year. You say, who is the best suited
to fill this? And so I kind of felt maybe

(25:09):
some of those touches went to Debo, some of those
touches went to Terry, and that's how they're kind offsetting it.
And again, I think you'll see more touches for Zach
and for Ben Yankoff and Bates and that first and
second down range on boots keepers in playpass kind of initially,
at least at least for their couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, I think just the way the game plan kind
of was put together.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
You saw there was a lot of eleven personnel groupings
where Ben was the tight end on the field, but
they put him in a backfield and they ran a
lot of two back runs so to speak, with him
serving as a full back or lead blocker, and he
did it.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I thought he did an excellent job. And I thought the.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Game plan where they had some split flow runs or
runs where he was the lead blocker, and it forced
the New York Giants to kind of have to to
fit the runs out of a two back set, and
a lot of times that's a different type of run
fit that that those second level defenders have to be
on the same same page because hey, if you don't,

(26:13):
you don't you fit a run correctly, you can get creased.
And so that game plan yesterday was a lot of
lining him up in the backfield. I haven't looked at
what Philadelphia is like in the run from a run
defensive standpoint. You know, are they gonna how are they
going to utilize him as a run block. I thought
he had had a lot of really good run blocks
and maybe there'll there will be some things where you know,

(26:34):
you flex him out a little bit. You're just trying
to trying to add to his his ability as a
pass catcher, and maybe you'll see a few more targets
for him against the Philadelphia Eagles, just once the once
Cliff and the offensive coaches do that game plan and say, Okay,
this may be a spot where we can get him,
you know, a couple of easy targets and you know,

(26:55):
get get some confidence and we can kind of loosen
some things up for Terry or or Deebo. I don't
Noah got injured in that ball and so I don't
know what his his status will be in this ball
game against the Eagle. So I think they'll add to
his to his targets in that ball in the coming
weeks as a receiver.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
And again, to be fair, like those some of that
run stuff, that stuff you're not going to be comfortable
doing with Zach. So it does give you some more
flexibility having a physical body and a guy that has
that physical mindset in the in the run game.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Also, they didn't take a shot in the low red
with him where they.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Kind of run that you know, fake bubble screen that
they've run a couple of times in the low red,
and I think Ben did a good job being patient
with it and then working up the seam. Marcus catches
a little bit of pressure on that play and so
has to vacate. But like I think there's one that
maybe doesn't show up on the stat sheet where he's open.
The execution's good, the post did a good job taking
the third player out of there. There's a there's a
window there for him and we don't get to see

(27:47):
him maybe get a touchdown obviously in that moment, but
there there's a game plan touch in the kind of
fringe ren zone that I thought he did a good
job with. It's just the pressure kind of broke down
and Marcus had to go altsore with the football.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Those are the young guys. Want to talk about couple
veterans from yesterday as well, One Terry McLaurin, who had
one of the biggest plays of the game fifty one
yard touchdown pass. Again, thought that was a well timed
call when that occurred, very well executed. Obviously, They got
a shot to Terry down the field. You know, we've
had an opportunity to talk to him. I know you've
talked to him to logan, but you know, sometimes the

(28:19):
injury report doesn't really tell the story of what's going on.
And what you just see next to his name is
quad injury. And he missed a lot of time, the
severity of which no one ever knows. Only the players
and the doctors and the coaches know. It was bad
and there was there was no like, I don't think
there was any feeling that he was going to get
shut down, but it was. It's not just the word

(28:40):
he has a strain, it was it was worse than that.
I mean, we don't need to go into detail of
what it was. But he had to fight through this,
you know, and like this was a long recovery for him.
And this goes back to I think what we were
initially talking about. There's nobody here tanking like this guy
could have shut it down, Like the doctors could have
shut him down, the coach could shut hm down.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Anybody could shut him down. They did not.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
He's come back in the last few weeks. He looks
like Terry McLaurin again. He is giving them the types
of plays that they need down the field that they
were missing earlier in the year when he and Noah
Brown and others were injured and they didn't have this explosiveness.
And that was just incredible to see yesterday. Well timed call,
well executed play, great touchdown for the team.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, well timed. We were we were talking about that
was a first and twenty call, and I was like, Logan,
Mat It's it's hard to overcome first and twenty as
a play caller, you know. They they get him up
on a safety on that fifty one yard yard touchdown,
and I initially I thought it was a single coverage
because we didn't get a great replay, but just for

(29:42):
for him to have that window for Marcus to to
hit him with that with that thrown, I guess they
were talking about in practice they it didn't quite time
up the way they wanted to, didn't. It just wasn't,
you know, there, so to speak, the way they would
have loved to have that happen. But he saw the
cover two knew he was gonna get on safety. And

(30:04):
to have a long development play like that, you need
pass protection as well. So the pass pro was great
and Marcus he threw a great diamondone Terry after the catch.
The ability to break the couple of tackles too to
get into the end zone. Man, that's the that's the
thing that we missed when you have a guy like Terry,
the explosive plays, the run after the catch, the ability

(30:25):
to break tackles. And for the majority of the season
we were missing that element to this offense. And you know,
I mean, it was a big deal for us not
to not to have him, but it's great to see
him feeling comfortable and feeling like himself.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, you know, he had a bunch of big plays
in the game.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Obviously, the first third out of the game is the
thing that leads to three points obviously on the field goal,
because he makes that tough catch on the slant where
there's like two picks and on that play like man
like that, like as an offensive player and as a
guy that like likes offense, like that was about as
cool as you could possibly get. It's like a little
coo kind of quarter out takeoff by Terry and they're

(31:03):
in like kind of a cover six, so you know,
the flat player takes the out and the half players
kind of played over top of Terry hit on the
back side. They run all these digs to Deebo over
the course of the game. I think you can probably
visualize some of those catches that Debo had and the
quarters player cuts the dig which he's supposed to do,
and the quarter kind of falls off. But because Terry
did such a good job fighting for with like there's

(31:25):
literally nobody in the middle of the field. So like,
you love it when you see you get the perfect
call versus the perfect coverage with the perfect execution, and
the fact that you know Mariota and Terry are on
the same page is awesome. So that's where the call
gets you, right, the call gets you that excellent job
by Cliff, But like, like Fudge is saying, the ability
to finish that with Terry's physicality, the way he tracks

(31:45):
the football, I mean, it's something I think we've obviously.
You definitely feel it when he's not playing, you like
that lack of explosive playmaker is obvious in this offense.
So again, love the call, love the execution, love how
came together, and to watch it that way, I think
it's a testament to Terry for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
And defense is just gonna they're gonna cover you differently.
They're gonna defend you differently when you have a Terry
on the field healthy. And we saw there were games
where just we were so hamstrong from a from a
receiver Cord. I think the Dallas game comes to mind,
where maybe we had three receivers healthy in that ball game.
We had a lot of marvers. Three tight end sets

(32:23):
up in that uh in that ball club, I think
maybe even four tight ends that were kind of gonna
be we lean heavily on the tight ends. You're gonna
get defended totally different when you have guys on the
house side. And speaking of Cliff as a as a
play caller, he mentioned not being, you know, happy with
the way he called the game against the Minnesota Vikings.

(32:44):
I thought yesterday he called a really good game. You
mentioned that that that play right there or Terry really good,
uh game plan call right there? Much better job calling
plays and and getting us some points and manufacturing yards
as an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
One other veteran that I think needs to be brought
up is Antonio Hamilton soon.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
How about that guy?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
So like they're really shorthanded. Marshaw Latimore's outre and this
is out now. Jonathan Jones is out rib injury, can't
play extraordinarily thin. This fortunately is not justin Jefferson Jordan
Edison running out there, but Wandale Robinson's having a fantastic year.
Darius Slayton's a true deep threat. This is and Dart
is not scared to throw the ball down the field
as he did a number of times. So they're gonna

(33:27):
be tested, and they tested this guy over and over.
We found out after the game. Everybody found out that
this was pre planned and the team knew about this,
but it just happened that he was leaving town to
go watch his wife graduate from college. So he's going
to miss some time. This was the worst week on.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Earth, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
If ever for somebody who's a journeyman. Now he's not
even really practicing with the team for a couple of
days to get ready in a game he has to
play in.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
And man, did he.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Show up yesterday. I mean, over and over and over
and over for them.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think he showed up in a big way. I
mean it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, go ahead, fletch, No, No, I was just I'm
looking at all the different teams that he's played for man,
you got played two years in Oakland, spent time at
the Giants, two seasons Kansasity Chiefs, three seas with Arizona Cardinals,
the Atlanta Falcons, now with US, and then d Q
mentioned when he when they signed him then maybe after

(34:22):
the after the at the preseason, he mentioned how, hey, man,
he let them know there's one date that I'm gonna
have to miss because of my wife graduating and she
she put her she put her a lot of stuff
on on home while I was playing playing bass. So
like he mentioned, hey, I need to be there, and
d Q at that time he's like, yeah, no problem, because.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I don't worry about it. Back then, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Got a healthy Marshan Latimore, you got Trey Avins, you
got Mikey Savage Steel, you got no Binogaty, Like, I mean,
what's the likelihood will you know he's gonna be caught up.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
In the practice, you know, on the active roster.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And fast forward to this week he's up and Thursday
practices are I mean, that's a that's a big.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Game planning day.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't know how they do it with this current group,
but I know for us it was a big like
third down day for us, Like you're really honing your
your third down defense on that day. So I mean
that's not a small deal that he had to miss
Thursday's practice.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
And I mean really like it's him, but it's also
the entire secondary. Like you mentioned, you know Robinson and
I think you know, Noagh Bnogani in man coverge situations
kind of drew that matchup. There's times where they're trying
to motion him outside and.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
He's one on one with Noah and again he's doing
a great job. Hamilton's doing a great job. And so
to see kind of this you know, land of I
don't know, misfit.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Toys, guys that have had their had you had unique
journeys to the NFL, unique journeys in the NFL, playing
so well against some guys that are you know, like
Robinson is going to make a lot of money this offseason, right,
And to see you know, Mikey with the interception, a
guy that started inside playing outside, I think that was
pretty cool to see. And again Hamilton's kind of the
poster for that, but I think it speaks really to
the entire group. But how well that group played on

(36:04):
the day and again, they weren't perfect. I'm not saying
that they were, but for the all the PBUs that
Hamilton had and big moments and Manda man coverage isolated
routes against Darius Slayton, who signed a big contract this offseason,
Like that's you know, that's he deserves a lot of
recognition for that in the way he competed.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, definitely, all right, I want to get to one
sequence in the game just to get what you guys
thought about it, which is the goal line stop. They
got a penalty of pass interference. They had first and
goal at the one. Jackson Dart keeps runs stopped, has
to go off the field. Jameis Winston comes on for
two plays. They get to a fourth and goal at
the four, Dark comes back out there. So then I'll

(36:42):
just start with you. Let just take me through there,
Like that is unusual of an ask of both sides
where the quarterback goes out on a goal line goal
to go situation inside the five. So like obviously Washington
handled this situation really really really well. Like what did
you say?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, So, the initially the first run that on the
first and goal, Dart ended up getting hit in his
head kind of neck in whatever. I guess he was
getting evaluated for a concussion, and so this came out
later when they put when they put Jamis in the
game as a defensive guy, I'm sure DQ the way
he called a defense, he's thinking, are they gonna put

(37:22):
Jamis in fresh off the bench. I know he's a
veteran and ask him to throw the football in this scenario,
so he dives up all our pressure. It was really
you could look at it as a run blitz and
they ran blitch and I think, I want to say
Frank he or somebody. It was a lot of guys
in the backfield. I want to say negative yardists play
that happens and then some similar situation. Hey we're gonna

(37:45):
dial it up again, you know, get after them. And
they defended great there the fourth down play I thought
was a great call by d Q. And what they
did is and he mentioned this to us, they doubled,
They had a bracket on Wandale Robinson. They're number one guy,
number one target. And then they also were thinking, hey,

(38:07):
this is an eighty four. THEO Johnson who's called it
what had five or six touchdowns, especially in the red zone.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
These are two guys, we gotta take away in the
red zone.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Take away eighty four and take away seventeen Wandale Robinson,
Bobby has a inside breaking Robins on any ross by
Wandale Robinson. Kwan has him outside. So if he breaks outside,
Kwan's gonna jump that. If he goes inside, Bobby's uh,
Bobby's gonna take him. And sure enough they go to
Wandale Robinson, Kwan jumps Billy made the interception. But I

(38:40):
thought it was a great play call by d Q
understanding situational football. Hey, who are the guys that they're
gonna go to in this critical situation eighty four seventeen, somebody,
these guys are gonna be this, We're gonna we're gonna
bracket these guys. And man, that ended up being a great,
great call and they got out of that. Out of

(39:01):
that scenario, would no points given up?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Oh, I totally agree. I think that's a great articulation
of it.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
I think, you know, you get like, obviously the commanders
get a little bit lucky that the starting quarterbacks out
Jamis comes in. But I think like just being aware
of the situation, like Fletch's talking about right first down Hey,
we're going to find something, probably a run right second down,
We're going to try and move the pocket on a boot,
which is like, you know, kind of that old Spider
two white banana Wandell's in the backfield. He's going to
the flat understanding that they're trying to get their playmaker

(39:27):
in the position where he's going to get the football.
You know, Jackson Dark comes back in. I thought the
red zone concept was actually pretty good. It's one that
people have hit a lot on it. It's like this
what I would call like tight scissors. So post By,
like the guy in the slot who was THEO or
was one? Now Robinson in a corner by the tight
end you're motioning to it. You got to get that communicated.
And the fact that they were able to get that
communicated and handle and match all the playmakers again, it

(39:51):
shows to me a maturation of the defense and the
maturation of some of the young players. Like we talked
a lot about some of the other guys, Ben Sinnett,
Like I think Kwan Martin had a really good game
yesterday in terms of identifying a role for himself. Like
obviously he makes the play there, but as a box player,
fletch like he is throwing it down in the run game. Man,

(40:12):
nice physical square tackles Atalanta Scrimmage, fitting as a quarters
player rotating down in single high like I think that
might be who he is moving forward as opposed to
that post player. But it's cool to see him find
his sea legs here a little bit too.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
No, no, you're I'm glad you brought up Kwan. Man.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I've always liked Kawan as a football player. And you
know it was I was hurt when he was missing
tackle and it was not like he was out there.
I was out there missing because I'm like, man, this
is such a good football player, and he was getting
he was getting killed on social.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Media and all that.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'm just like, man, this guy is a good freaking
football player. Think about when he came out of Illinois,
his versatility. They played him as a nickel, he was
cover and receiver. They play him as a safety, so
he had great versatility in his first year. And Washington,
you know, they used him as a kind of a
both both kind of a player. They can do a

(41:07):
little bit both. And you mentioned with Will Harris being
back now he's able to kind of play a lot
more in the box. There was some times he's coming
up making tackles and you can see the difference in
confidence as a football player, Like sometimes you have to
be reminded like man, I'm a freaking good football and
and and you got to go out and make a

(41:28):
few plays. And I thought against the Minnesota Vikings and
memory starts me correct.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
He had a really good game.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
He had a great fit from quarters and they like,
I mean he's made like again, like I think, like
you're talking about Will Harris comes back. You know, you're
that you that vet in the room has done a
nice job for you, like kind of letting him be
that box player because Will Harris can do both. And
then Revo man, both those guys, Quan and Revo in
terms of the physicality they play.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
With it jumps off the screen when you're cutting the
tape on.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
So again like a little bit of landa misfit toys.
You know, Kwan obviously is the second pick, but finding
his legs at the right moment, Revo finding a role
Will Harris and his leadership in the back end.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Like it was. It was, I mean quite honestly great
to see.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Oh I love it.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Let's do our own little owne tell the truth Monday
though here for a minute.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Sure, Okay, so they won.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Everybody's happy, Yeah, try to be happy about it. But
if let's go back to the beginning of this conversation,
if you do have these standards, then you are gonna
watch film and see eleven penalties and two turnovers and
four fumbles and they only lost two of them.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
So uh, you know, like, do you have the same
meeting after a win as you do after a loss,
even at this stage of the season, and go all right,
like there is still a lot to clean up here
even though we won.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
But I think I think that's good though. It's like
and Fletch can speak to this probably better than I can.
Like I always found like in a win, like you
can get coach, you can coach harden to win. Man,
Everyone's like, oh, you got a coach hard and a
loss coach and harden to win.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Man. We feel good, but we've got this standard. Let's
get this cleaned up.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
You know, why are we having a false start? Is
it the communication with the quarterback? Because it's something in
terms of our calls to the line of scripts. Let's
get that cleaned up. Let's fix that detail.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Right. Why are we having an issue in terms of sacks? Right?

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Like, oh, is it because the rock depths whatever, Let's
get like, let's dial in on this thing.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
And so I think like, yeah, there's only what is
a three games left?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Now?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Four games left? Goow three three? Like it doesn't seasons
on over.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Man, Let's get as good as we possibly can with
the reps that we're given. And so yeah, like there's
a lot of things to correct this football game. There's
a lot of good things, like we just talked about,
but let's make sure the corrections are there and then
the right things and we're better next week than we
were this week.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
And why not do it after a win?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I think you it's more important to coach somebody harder
after win because there's so many times where teams have
a tennessee to gloss over certain things in a win like, Okay,
we got out of it didn't hurt us, they might
not even bring it up. But if you're being critical, like, hey,

(43:54):
it didn't hurt us now, but this is something we
definitely got to clean up. And there's some things to
the penalties, the turnovers, can't can't have have the two
turnovers and could have been more because connardly he recovered
to fumbles and we end up losing one fumble and
what did we lose?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Two fumbles lost to mc nichols and Mario to both
in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So we we fumbled four times. You can't have that
against a better football team. The fund, the turnovers and
the penalties, and this may be a different outcome of
the ball game. So and and and they have tell
the truth Monday, so they'll they'll, they'll correct those things.
There were some times some cover coverage things that was like, Okay,

(44:40):
this hasn't hurt us here. We got to make sure
we clean this up. We got to be better right
here because this is open. Had a couple of drops
by some Giants receivers, right, Why why were they open?
So the coaches and the players they understand it, and
they'll they'll they'll they'll definitely address those things.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
I mean, we talked about the run game a lot
to start, Like when you go back and look at it, like, yeah,
there's good effort and guys are playing hard, but in
terms of like hey how do we target this run?
Oh hey, we got kind of an unusual run stud
here let's get that corrected moving forward, like it's great,
it's great opportunity to get better, or like hey on
routes and depths versus certain coverages, angles, outs of corners
and seams, like this is all good teach tape that

(45:18):
we can get better with. So yeah, like I think,
you know, like fletched, like versus a better team, Like
some of these things are going to hurt you. It's
good they didn't hurt you today, but it's important as
a staff to make sure that the players know, hey,
like this is not our standard of play.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
We can get better.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
And I think, like you know, you talked, you talked
about the top like if that's who we are, that's
what we we purport to be. Let's be that way
all the time. It doesn't matter what time of year,
time of day. Let's let's get better.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
So I wish we had I wish we had that Billy.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
And I don't know if we do or not to
screen share Jason, do we have that Billy to screen
share here?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
With difficulties.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
I don't know if we do what we don't?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Are you are you doing? Are you watching? Not right now?

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Right?

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Well?

Speaker 4 (46:03):
What I want the fans to do.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And I just watched that fourth, that fourth down play
that fourth and fourth and man, this is a thing
of beauty. Man, this is just oh my goodness, the
way they uh, the way they stopped this from a defense.
There's a a three on two on the combination route
between Wandale Robinson and and THEO Johnson. They actually motion

(46:30):
uh THEO Johnson and and the way they passed this
off as a as a back in between between I
think it was Nomanoghany and uh yeah, Igbogheny Kwan and Bobby.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Oh my goodness, this is this is textbook teaching tape.
I know I went there.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Just this is mad watching. Look look at look at
watch it.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
If are whoever is look at look at this booth review.
You have to go back and appreciate because the defense
has been under fire for so many things they didn't
do well. This right here, the way they passed this
off and break and fletch.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
You know what we can do? You know we can do.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
You want to be you want to be in the
Film Breakdown Show. Why don't I pull that clip for you?
We can watch on the Film Breakdown Show this week
and then we can check that out.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Good dad, I'll be a talent tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yes, yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Let's let's do
it film breakdown show.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
But and oh my god, you got d Q there.
This is this is just awesome. All right, I digress.
Let's go Brown.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
All right, Uh, it's time for you to give out
the belt. You haven't done this in a while, the
belt Fletch's Commander Heavyweight Championship belt which Bobby Wagner has
held for over two months when we were different people,
because they hadn't wanted a while.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
So got.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
Heavyweight Championship, introducing the challenger, Bill Ski married and the
raining defending undisputed Big Fletch Commander Heavyweight Champion Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Oh man, we had to dust that that belt off
load again.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Had to get the shine out before you came on today.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
A lot of dust on a lot of Cobwells. It's
been so long that we've done one of these. But
all right, I forgot who was the reigning champion. It's
been so long since we since we did this, but
Bobby Wagner's the reigning champion. He had a he had
a really good football game yesterday. You look at what
he did this is uh had seven tackles, six solos,

(48:45):
had a that that the fourth down play that I
just talked about in the red zone. It won't go
down as a stat but that's outstanding courage by him,
Kwan and no Igbinogny. So that's that's part of the evaluation.
When I look at this as a judge, this is
the way I judge it. And then I look at
Bill Man Bill crossby Mary and he loves going against

(49:09):
these New York Giants. First game against them, opening game
of regular season, ten carries eighty two yards, had a touchdown,
had a big forty two yard run late in that game. Yesterday,
he also he had another outstanding game against the New
York Football Giants eighteen carries ninety six yards. I would
have loved if you were to crack that up that

(49:31):
hundred yard mark. But he had a touchdown as well
in that ball game. So based off of that, when
you look at these two guys in the performance, I
think from an impact standpoint of winning that ball game
and new Big Fletcher's Commanders heavyweight champion.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Bill Let's go yeah, I'll tell you what about that.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
After the team beats Cowboys on Christmas, which I hope happened.
Bobby Wagner's twenty five tackles away from joining just you
and Ray Lewis as the only players ever with two
thousand tackles. I hope it happens by the end of
the season, but it'd be really great if it happened
on Christmas Day, that'd be really cool.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Last though, would be that'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
That would be awesome because, I mean, we had a
chance to talk with Bobby last night on the postgame showing.
And to do that two thousand tackles, you got to
be healthy first and foremost, you have to be productive,
extremely productive. We have a long career, and you know

(50:38):
it's a God willing he's able to accomplish that. And
you know that would be great to do it against
the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
We don't give the belt out to anybody else on
any other team, but I kind of want to give
one to Philip Rivers.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
At forty four. They almost won, They almost won in Seattle.
He hadn't played in five years. He's forty four. Loved
if we made you go play, you think you can
do what Philip Rivers did, I might.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Be a three technique. Hey, you know what we've been
need some pass us a free technique. I think I'm
going to win a couple a couple of one on one.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
How old are you now, Logan thirty eight?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Thirty eight?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
What was the last time you played? Twenty nineteen? So
it's almost the same as Rivers. Yeah, do you think
you could just go out there and play? I couldn't,
I guess much as I want to think I could.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Like, yeah, I will say, like playing quarterbacks a little
bit different from like a physicality standpoint, like I got
to go out and block a six technique like that's
no fun, and like cover kicks on special teams, like
your body's got to be a little bit more pliable.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
We played Seattle, though he was probably running for his life.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I got more.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
I have more faith in Logan being able to pull
it off. If we've talked about the command Center Analyst, Logan, myself,
Satana Franz, move Sean Springs. I think out of all
of us, Logan that's a town of are the ones
I got more faith. And I would say Logan would
be the guy who I would put my money on

(52:07):
because he's first of all, he's he still works out
like crazy, still eats like crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Fred would tell you he could no chance, no chance.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
He was retired before you even retire. That he has
bad knees, he's knocked ned, he has bad feet.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
It's true, he know Fred. No, he could not do.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
There's times where he gets it. Did you He told
you the gasoline story at the gas station. He was
putting the air in his tires. His back locked up.
He had to lay down in the street at the
gas station and for like fifteen minutes, had to call
his Sunday come get him.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Fred. So if anybody can't do, if anybody repeat that,
where are you?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
No, there's too Fred has too many bad habits. He
had a wife playing it worse now at least Santana.
Santana works out a lot. But for him as a
speed at a receiver position, I think you'd be forty

(53:09):
five stuff Shan sprees. He's his body blue, Blue is
beat up. He has no chance my money logan.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
I'm definitely the closest and it would be a it
would be a tough road for your boy to get back.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
So I would need about six months to get in
shape to do it.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I gotta tell you Philip Rivers.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Six months. That's pretty six months maybe mine.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Phil Rivers almost winning in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
I literally was talking to someone on the plane on
the way out to the game and I was like,
it feels like malpractice to have him play in a
football game. He's been out a league for five years,
he's out of shape, and he went out and kind
of proved me wrong.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Looky.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
So that's a lot of self esteem to think he
can to forty four. And there's a clip on the
internet of the high school team he coaches all having
a watch party and cheering for him when he threw
a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Path is really cool.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Cool? All right, we are down to the final three games,
all division games, last first two of them at home.
Eagles than Cowboys, both on short weeks. Saturday, five o'clock Eagles,
and we'll turn around play Thursday, Christmas Day. Cowboys. Should
be a cool scene at Northwest Stadium obviously for that.
Then we'll close the season final I think Sunday. They
haven't named the time or date yet, but final Sunday Eagles.

(54:22):
So what are you looking forward to? Final three games
of the year?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Man, I'm happy that you know we're going into this
game against the Eagles on a win short week. I
love the fact that it's at our in our stadium.
I know it'll be for if we had lost that game, Man,
I don't know how many of our fans would still
been interested in coming to this game. I think because
we won, the Eagles are still kind of trying to

(54:47):
win a division. We had an opportunity to play spoiler.
So I expect a great turnout for by our fans
in that ball game and we got we We'll be
out for that game. First opportunity to play them coming
off that in the NFC Championship game, I'm looking forward
to the environment, looking forward to seeing our guys compete
against the right and NFC, NFL champions, Super Bowl champions.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
I mean, I think it's going to be It's always
fun against Philadelphia that we got to see him three
times last year. So you know, like cow has the
team grown obviously for us, can they handle playing against
a better level of competition, Like we talked about some
of the issues that they had against the Giants, those
get cleaned up.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
I'm excited to check it out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
The only way Washington plays spoiler here. It could be
to one or the other. They have to win this weekend.
Philly clinches the NFC East if they win by virtue
of the Dallas loss last night. So Philly just needs
a win in one of the final three. Two of
them obviously it's Washington. If Washington can knock them off,
and Dallas were to get a win, Philly has to
play Buffalo the following week, which will probably the AFC

(55:50):
East may still be in play at that point for them.
That's gonna be a big hard game for them. We'll
have Dallas here, so we could play a role of
spoiler for a couple of weeks if they cannot off
the Eagles on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah, yeah, now you you mentioned that I didn't think
about the I hadn't even got to the Dallas piece.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
And and then it's Christmas Day. How do have we
ever played? I know I've never played on Christmas.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
It's a Thursday, so to be unique situation, one o'clock game,
and and it'd be interesting to see that that that environment.
We owe the Giant, I mean, we owe the cowboys
that gone the situation. Regardless of the situation, you get
up for those cowboy games. It's it's still a big

(56:34):
rivalry all the NFC's games.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Man. There they're they're huge, big rivals.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
But it's something about just when the Cowboys and and
Commanders slash Redskins get together, it's special.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Man.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I may have a burrow on on on Christmas Day.
I don't know about you, guys.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I have a list.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
More times than not this has gone the right way sometimes,
but more times than not, they have ruined more of
my Thanksgivings than I care to remember. So to ruin
their Christmas really feels perfect.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
That would be awesome. Yeah, that would be awesome.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I hope we get the dub Man. That'd be great.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
That that'd be Uh. We might have to get some
special office for the Christmas Day.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Oh yeah, I've already said a note about it.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Bray, I'm out. I couldn't imagine you putting a stocking
on that that hair.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
We don't have to do that, but I'll like, I'll
go full Santa if you want.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
We're having our Christmas special show, which we're taping tomorrow.
Where's it at Jason the Fox Something City tap which
is up here in one loud and see if you
guys want to come see everybody like, we'll be up there,
so come check it out and that'll error on when Jason.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Airs Christmas Eve, so join us.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I'd like to get the whatever the best commander's ugly
Christmas sweater is. I'd like to go in that direction.
So if anyone knows where can get one of those,
I'll do that.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
That would be a good one, especially right there. Yeah,
check a special.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Look at that very Santa Claus. Who's Santa Claus? I
think a guy you hired a Santa Clause. Santa hired boy.
The economy is in rough shape, Santa need to all right,
this is off the rails. At least we got to
talk about a win. See, this is what happens.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
You have fun.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
We had fun, all right. Everybody, talk to you next
week after Eagles Game number one.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
We'll see them.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
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