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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode of Ticket of the Draft podcast, we're
talking my favorite position, tight ends. We're also talking quarterbacks
with Jeremy Green, one of the best draft analysts I know.
By the end of the draft season he's gonna have
over seven hundred guys done. And we're talking is Shad
Or Sanders Batman. It all starts right now.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm Logan Paulson here with justin guy, Jason and our
very very special guest Jeremy Green, who joined us at
the combine and helped us and got us that podcast out.
And it's always great having smart people on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Jeremy, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I don't know when the smart guys showing us, but
I'm really glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well, I'll call you smart. You can call yourself dumb.
That's totally fine. And just as a reminder, we are
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today we're doing tight ends Jason, and we're doing quarterbacks.
We're gonna start with tight ends because that's how you
tease the more important position.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
I guess, yeah, absolutely, And there's no one better to
talk to you than this than the highest riser at
the combine. The stock price just shot through the roof
with mister Jeremy Green here the ESPN draft nerd. Yeah,
he was a savior for us out there when we
had some technical difficulties, and he was also the guest
on our number one show so far this year, highest

(01:27):
rated show, this year, highest viewed show. I think it's
all about him. It's nothing to do with the Deebo
Samuel trade break. That has everything to do with him
being one.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah. So Jeremy, So before we got started, we were.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Talking about kind of tight ends and how you felt
like this was a good one for people to kind
of get used to your process. And you know, tight
end is a really interesting position for me because I
played it. But I guess, let's start off at the
highest of levels, you know, like what kind of traits
are you looking for and how do you start your
evaluation process with a tight end? Because I think the
position and what's important for the position has changed quite

(02:02):
a bit over the last ten fifteen twenty years.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Well, I'm not as I like a tight end that
can block, right. Very few of these guys that are
coming in is really refined blockers because the game is
so much different now than it was ten to fifteen
years ago. So you get a guy like Tyler Warren
that it makes me laugh every time I hear somebody
say he's a good blocker.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
No he's not.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
He's not a good blas matter of fact, he's abjectly
terrible at it. The only thing is that every other
tight end in this class is worse at it than
he is. So as you see that progression change where
you get way less guys that come into the league
as natural blockers. I think Terrence Ferguson is ant is
a more natural blocker. Not necessarily great at it, but

(02:50):
he's more natural at it. And I'm comparing him to
Gunner Helm, who I'm reasonably sure couldn't he couldn't block me.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I'm and right now my.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Forty's fallen in somewhere about seven oh seven to one,
So that's really not awesome. But then I look to
a kid Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame that gets absolutely
no love. I would say he's one of the better
blockers in this class, which really kind of tells you
how low end we are on that tip, because this

(03:22):
is a guy that I'll say, when I first started
doing this ten years ago, Mitchell Evans would have been
a net negative as a blocker. Now he is a
better contested catch guy. He's got a higher run block
rate than the abject failures that some of these other
guys have, so he's almost more of a balanced tight end.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Now.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Now we were talking about the difference in my process,
I coll probably seventy percent.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Of the games you play. I do this with quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I do with wide receivers, running backs, tight ends, basically
everything that's not an offensive line.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
What you said seventy percent of the game, as you
watched seventy percent of the games that you just.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Said, yep, and then I call them immediately. I'll watch
through the actual plays, Like I'm looking at Mitchell Evans
and when I did the film breakdown on him, So,
Miami of Ohio was out the window immediately, so was Stanford,
so as Navy.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
So it was Florida State, Virginia.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
The ones that I really looked at with him were Indiana, Georgia,
Penn State, Purdue, and Texas A and M. Because that's
the those are the only teams he played that you're
playing one on one, so you're getting a guy that
might actually play in the NFL. Some of these other
guys are gonna be selling insurance for Geico. I don't
care that you can light that guy up. That doesn't

(04:40):
mean anything to me. So I want to see what
you look like, not necessarily third round draft prospect versus
third round draft prospect, draftable talent versus draftable talent.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
And those are the tapes that I really look at.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Now, Jeremy, you were mentioning blocking in there and that
this class may not be great at blocking in your opinion.
So my question is, like, what do you look for
in a tight end? Is blocking like really high up there?
If you're a good blocker, you moving them up the board.
Because you mentioned before we started this show that the
guy sitting here with us, mister Logan paulsy And who
made a career out of just being a nasty son

(05:15):
of a gun at blocking in the run game. You
you said you scouted him at one point. You put
that in there, right.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I did.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
He was the best blocker in the class that he
in twenty ten. I think it was in twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
You were the best blocker in that class for me.
And the Logan Paulson of this tight end class is
Jackson Halls from Georgia Tech.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
My favorite.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I knew that was going to be your favorite.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I wrote him down of give Logan a chance to
say this guy's name.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, I mean, he's a guy that I just enjoy
watching because he's super physical. And again, this is something
that I have a really hard time with. And you
talked about blocking in general, and I love your process.
I love how you go through the games. I love
how you select the guys with draftable talent. The thing
that gets me is like Jackson Hawes is going to
be a good pro in the NFL. Like he will
have a role, he'll be the John Bates for some team.
He'll play ten years in the NFL. But and it's

(06:04):
an important part of the position. And he has soft hands.
He's not a great rout runner, he's not a great separator.
He's very similar to me as a player. The thing
is is like, you'll play ten years, but where do
you draft someone like that. Obviously, Jackson Hawes is from
Georgia Tech. He's was excellent in the run game this year,
really shows an aptitude and an intensity for it. But
you know, Jeremy, how do you weigh that, like, because

(06:26):
I don't. I don't think i'd probably take him before
the third or fourth round because again, the league doesn't
value that skill set as much anymore, even though it
is valuable to NFL rosters.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
So the way that I build my board and I
just finished the initial big board, so I have three
hundred and twenty nine draftable grade.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Now you're a psycho.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
You're a psycho. I am a psycho. I need a life.
People see my wife and they go, good, lord, how
did you get a girl that attractive to marry you
when you are a psychopath watching Tommy fedone tape at
four am like a.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Lunatic as she's patient.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
So the way I stack my board is I day
three for me is more specialized. Guys, all right, So,
whether it's Jackson Hawes that we were just talking about
that is a blocking specific tight end or leaquent Allen
the runback from Syracuse that I don't think he gives
you anything as a runner but man, he's got really

(07:20):
soft hands, and I'll use him as the third part
of a running back committee, and I could keep doing
that with different positions. That's what I'm looking for in
day three. So I'm looking at I've got Jackson Hawes
pulling up my board here. I have Haws in the
back end around five. Okay, so he's he's in a

(07:40):
really weird group because he's with I have four fifth
round tight ends. They couldn't be more different if they tried,
But I think they all have a value right there,
depending on what you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I love Hauls.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
If you're looking for the blocker Aronde Gatst that is
really just a big slot.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
So he's an interesting prospect too.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
But that you said that, you kind of like put
guys there because of specificity, Like he's a converted wide receiver,
big dude, do you think he can consistently win those
one on one matchups versus man coverage. That's the thing
that gets me, because I do think he has some
there's something to him, and I think he's going to
get overdrafted because of the pass catching stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
I it depends how you look at him. I think
where people make mistakes with tight ends. A lot is
Aronde Gaston is, So they converted him to tight end.
What actually changed about what he does?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Other than the.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Two word or two letter acronym that they put beside
his name. He's a tight end because you told me
he's a tight end. In terms of his route tree
and all those things, virtually nothing changed. Yeah, So really
all he is is a big slot. He's a bigger
slower slot. Now the question is do you run a
scheme where that works. I'll give you a good example

(08:54):
of one that ties into the NFC East. The Raiders
ran a scheme for years where Darren Waller could win.
Darren Waller was freakishly fast for a guy that.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Was six'.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Six, yeah but then he goes to The giants And
giants don't run that, scheme so they're trying to play him.
Inline he's not a big slot.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Anymore.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Now he's a really bad inline, blocker and it kind
of ran him out of the league because he couldn't
hold up physically to. That so if you're looking For
Ronde gatson to be a big slot, receiver you're, fine
AND i think he will. Win you're gonna have to
scheme some of that. Out SO i mean having a
receiver inside him Like Jalen lane From Virginia Tech Dante

(09:39):
thornton From. TENNESSEE i need somebody that can take that
safety over the top BECAUSE.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I want him on a. Linebacker.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah and So i'm gonna scheme that he's not gonna
play more than fifteen or twenty snaps for. Me that's
why he's a fifth round grade for. Me BUT i
can scheme that WHERE i get him into the right
spot and THEN i can use what he.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Does.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah and so who are the other two guys you
have in the fifth? Round? There just as to kind
of finish this, Example.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Gunner helm who he? Did he did sprain his. Ankle
i've seen the. PICTURE i Called shenanigans on the. Well
he sprayed his. Ankles so of course he ran a
four nine to. Five, nope that foot was not the right.
COLOR i will give him a bullip on that four
nine to. FIVE i didn't love him to begin with
because he's A he's another one that's just a he's

(10:22):
a big wide.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Receiver he's a, big slow wide. Receiver.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah and Then Tommy fanlon out Of, nebraska WHO i absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Love, YEAH i like Fid on a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Too, yeah The, nebraska and Again helm's out Of, texas
And Orlando gats And Orandi gatz and excuse, me he's
out Of. Syracuse so that's a really interesting group BECAUSE
i think all those guys are PLAY nfl, minutes AND
i think that really illuminates kind of the QUESTION i
had for you at the, start which, is how do
you value that because those guys are GONNA i think
all those, guys maybe outside Of Gunner, Helm i'm probably
a little lower on than, you just again BECAUSE i

(10:52):
don't know what he does. WELL i don't think he
separates versus man coverage the way That, Ronde gatz And.
KEN i don't think he blocks in line the way
that you Know Jackson hawes can From Georgia. Tech, like it's,
interesting BUT i think all those guys will, play AND
i think that's really good value for the. Position so
THEN i guess my next follow up question would, be
like you, know now let's get in your top five is,
obviously where do you feel comfortable taking a tight end

(11:14):
because it's a position that's not necessarily super valuable because
of the. Contract, obviously you see people being successful The George,
kittles The Travis kelsey as you Mentioned Darren, Waller so,
like where do you feel comfortable taking the first tight?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
End and, why, oh If i'm taking the first, One
i'm comfortable taking my number one at five?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Five is that because of the drafts weaker this? Year
or is that because he's that?

Speaker 4 (11:40):
GOOD i have three elite prospects in this? Class, okay
So i've got so for, me anything over a nine
to five is generational.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
TALENT i have three of.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Those and WHAT i get out too is one of
them a tight.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
End, NO i have a running back and a tight
end that are my four and five. Overall, okay and
they have just below generational. Number but then they get
dinged because they play a position that is not as
valuable to. Me, sure SO i multiply running back by
zero point eight, NINE i multiply tight end by point
nine to. Two so that brings your grade down just

(12:16):
a hair because of positional. VALUE i think a good
tight end that can that can play in, LINE a
good tight end that can play kind of the role
that they've tried to have For Kyle pitts and actually
do it well where you can win on the outside
that's such a matchup nightmare that WHEN i find one

(12:37):
of those, GUYS i almost don't even want to ding
them for being tight. Ends AND i think there's two
of those in this. CLASS i love, that and SO
i think that's that's a.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
REALLY i think that's that illuminates an issue that's going
around THE, nfl is positional. VALUE i love how you
have a multiplication set for. That, WELL i think that's a.
REALLY i might adopt that actually moving, forward because that's so.
Smart so let's start getting into the list a little.
Bit let's go with your fifth tight end on your,
board and Then i'll tell you my fifth and we'll
kind of go through the.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
List SO i have three that are. Borderlines they've got
almost the same. Grade there's three tenths of a points
save right in them. All, Okay Harrold fannin at a buling, Green,
okay that would be technically my. Seven Mitchell evans And
Terrence ferguson have the same, grade so they're both my.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Five, Okay, Okay Mitchell evans And Terrence. Ferguson, Okay so
let's talk About Mitchell. Evans i'm, surprised not, surprised that's
the wrong. Word you, KNOW i think he's a good football.
PLAYER i think when you watch, him you see some
of the stuff you talked, about the in, line the
pass catching.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
ABILITY i worry about the raw. HORSEPOWER i think the.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Position one of the ways you talked about, is you,
know value is the running game is being, devalued but the,
athletics the athletic traits of a tight end seem to
be more. Valued and so WHEN i look at, HIM
i wonder about his overall horsepower and if you can
get it done at THE nfl. Level and IF i
said that to, you what would you say to.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
ME i can't tell you that you're.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Wrong that's the reason he's not higher for, me BECAUSE
i want him to be my three in terms of
just ability to play, football AND i don't really have
a way to quantify. THAT i look at a tight
end that has a seventy almost seventy three percent contested
catch rate in, college of you're not going to separate

(14:20):
particularly well at the next. Level But i've also said
that about a handful of tight ends over the. Years
one of the guys THAT i was the most dogmatic
on when he came. Out this is WHERE i got
the dubbing the tight end whisperer BECAUSE i couldn't believe
that nobody saw. It The Baltimore ravens took two tight
ends handful years, Ago Hayden hurst From South carolina THAT

(14:41):
i think already qualified FOR aarp when he got, drafted
and Then Mark, andrews AND i couldn't figure out why
are people not seeing? This With, Andrews he's a natural route,
Runner he's very. Crafty is he crazy? Fast?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
No is he a great?

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Mover? No but he knows how to play this baz
and he knows how to settle down over the middle
not get killed for one because he is a, bigger more,
lumbering slower. Guy AND i say the same thing With Mitchell.
Evans he's just a really crafty tight. End And i've
watched those guys succeed in this league for a lot of.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Years is it?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Risky, absolutely because he can't win with straight line. Speed
he's not going to win as a great route. Runner
he's going to win because he's a really smart football
player that knows how to play this.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Position i'm really glad you brought Up Mark andrews because
he's a guy for me THAT i THOUGHT i totally
missed on the route running nuance when he was At.
Oklahoma they didn't ask him to do a ton of,
stuff but his rookiear in THE. Nfl you saw the,
stems you saw the, breakdowns you saw him understanding his own.
Coverage and SO i, mean if you Think Mitchell evans
has that those, traits like that's something that again that
would probably move me, up it would move him up my.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
BOARD i haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
NECESSARILY i think it's more of an offensive thing for,
Me like they don't ask him to do a ton
of super, complicated nuanced stuff, There BUT i think that's
a really interesting value. Point, now let's talk About Terrence,
ferguson who is your other. FIVE i have him as my.
FOUR i really really like him a. LOT i think
he's got kind of the opposite of what we're talking
about With Mitchell. Evans he's got kind of this athletic course.

(16:13):
Power he's not as technically, refined but he's got this
kind of playmaker basketball athlete to, him WHICH i think
translates really well to the next. Level he's got the
length as.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
WELL i.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Agree the thing that makes me a little nervous On
ferguson is THAT i think people are gonna fall in
love with the raw. Athletic the worst thing you can
be to me is. Overdrafted if you told me Where
Terrence ferguson, went, like you give me a pick. Range
if it's sixty to seventy, FIVE i think his.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Bus rates through the. Roof really every fifteen.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Picks it gets better because you're gonna ask him to
DO i don't want a team to ask him to.
Do it's like you, said he's not refined in. This
he's very much a Currently he's a really big kid
that is still learning the nuance of playing tight. End
he's the exact opposite Of Mitchell. Evans If Mitchell evans

(17:13):
was In Terence ferguson's, body we'd be talking about him
as to be or one, be or however you wanted
to quantify. It because he has natural ability That Mitchell
evans doesn't. Have the problem is THAT i don't want.
Him i'll give you an. Example these are two very different,
players BUT i think they have very similar. Situations isaiah

(17:34):
likely a kid THAT i covered At Coastal. Carolina he
goes To. Baltimore he plays Behind Mark andrews for two.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Years this is year. THREE i think.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
If he had gone somewhere as a number one tight,
END i wouldn't have loved him because he needed to
develop all of those. Skills isaiah likely was a basketball
player that played. Football it just so happened that his
body type fit better because he wanted. It as a basketball.
Player he was a host. Guy but he's only like six,
three six, four so he never developed as a post
because as time goes, On Terrence, Ferguson isaiah, likely all

(18:09):
these guys find the same thing THAT i. DID i
got to six' FIVE and. I stopped it's actually six
four and, some change but six five. THIRS better i
PLAYED like i was seven. Feet, tall well the problem
is that all these guys keep getting BIGGER and. I
didn't so The fact i'm, a big slow. Post player
It's The jimmy. Graham Rule jimmy graham was a great,
post player. Insanely athletic he translated that into becoming a

(18:32):
great football player because he took the raw skills that
he had and refined them. Over time if you had
asked him to block, in line he would run him
out of the league because he couldn't do it right
if You Put terrence ferguson in the. Right Situation and
i'm gonna be honest, WITH you I think washington is the.
Right Situation if i'm. BEING hundredson i said THAT because
i KIND of i loved Him.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
IN washington.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
I have your capital pulled up in front. Of me
BUT if i could get to it, pretty quickly if
you Told me washington took him with whatever pick you
have in the, fourth.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
ROUND yeah i think we just traded in the trade
for laramytunsl we got to, pick back, SO yeah. I
agree i think that's kind of a luxury pick backup for.
A year i think his skill set mirror Is what
zach does, really well or it's obviously he's got that
ability and they got, that UPSET and i do think.
He's raw and the OTHER thing i wanted to bring
up to you before we got into the Next person

(19:26):
i'll tell you my five for in a Second is
i'm hard pressed to think of a position outside of.
Defensive end tight end now is where we're talking about
that relies more on athletic traits in terms of translating
to the. Next level how much does that factor into,
your EVALUATION because i think it's one of those positions
again that like you see the athletes, be successful the
guys with the, long arms the guys with, the height

(19:47):
the guys that can run the four, to six they
are the guys that start AT the. Nfl level And
Obviously mitchell evans isn't, that guy you know?

Speaker 4 (19:54):
For, Sure yeah so, FOR me i have three there's
three archetypes of. Tight end, for me there's the, hyper athletic.
Hyper talented then there's the hyper talented. Lesser athletic then
there's the, lesser talented. Hyper athletic fanin is the super
athletic Kid that i'm not sure you're all.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
THAT talented i.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Think you've got a raw skill set that if a
team is willing to, develop it kind of like they Did,
with likely because that's who he reminds me of, a
lot then you're going to. Be fine the PROBLEM that
i Had with fannin WAS that i kept seeing him
in that forty five. Ish range he's not a second round,
tight end and if you put second round tight end
pressure on him where he's got to come in and play.

(20:37):
Right away So The jason morrow rule That the jets
drafted him years AGO and i, could not for the
life of me, figure out what are you seeing in?
This kid he's a, developmental five if, he's anything and
then you put the pressure on him and you ran
him out of.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
The, league so in terms of who, you're four who's
your four? Right now is Is It harold fannin or
is he, you know he's? Your seven you said who's?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Your four fans.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
My seven Evans and ferguson are tied at five, for
me And Then mason taylor is.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
My Four So.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Mason taylor is, my FIVE and i want to just
Hit on harold Fan and junior. Real quick he is also.
MY seven i think we see it. VERY similarly i
think his film in college. Is good it's a, little
unconventional Played At bowling green not necessarily didn't test as
WELL as i. WAS hoping i think you need some
time to develop and find, a ROLE and i think
you need an offense that kind of is going to
be patient with him to kind of piggyback.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
On that let's Talk About mason taylor.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Real quick but before we come, off FACE can i
just say. ONE thing i FEEL like i said a
lot of NEGATIVE and i always want to say a
POSITIVE when i. Have, it yeah two of the best
games fan and played were against the best teams.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
They, Played Yeah penn state And Stateon. Texas ain now those.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Two tapes are enough for me to take him around
the top one.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Hundred, ish, YEAH no i agree. With that, and again like,
it's funny like you watch him At The, senior bowl.
He wins you watch him, in college. HE wins i don't.
Understand why it's not, overly technical it's not, overly clean
but he figures out a way to get. It done
and so you know that the tape doesn't, Lie Ultimately
and i'm gonna support that because he had A Good senior.
Bowl week and would you say you said this we Were, at,

(22:09):
indianapolis right, you said if, one off two of three,
Are good so, your combine your tape Or Your senior bowl.
Are good two of those three, Are good like we're.
Doing OKAY and i feel like he had two of
the three that were.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Pretty solid so.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
He didn't ast as WELL as i wanted. Him, to
yeah it was A little i agree with you.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Hartily. There yeah so let's Talk About. Mason taylor he's
kind of.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
EVERYONE'S favorite i saw him at the top of the
second round for a lot of these people in the.
Mock draft he's in the top forty for, you know
some of these. BIG boards i don't necessarily. See that
i'd see a good. Football player how do you?

Speaker 4 (22:38):
SEE him i had an evaluator FOR a nfc team
tell Me That mason taylor was the kid that they
were the most convinced was going in the first round
that no one was.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Talking about really not.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
GONNA lie i don't think my jaw has come off
the ground since that was said.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
TO me i don't see a first.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
ROUND great i don't see, it EITHER but.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I see a. Raw kid let Me if i'm crazy,
on this you feel free to Tell me i'm crazy. On.
THIS yeah i had a Rule About.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
ELI manning i have a lot of RULES because i
see GUYS and I go i've read this book BEFORE
and i didn't like. The Ending If mason taylor's Name Was,
mason smith would we be talking?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
About, Him, Dude dude i'm on the same page. As
you i'm on the, same, page like let me just tell.
You this let me tell YOU what i think. ABOUT
him i think he's good, in line good in line,
he's competitive, he's tough he catches the, football well but
he's not a plus athlete and he's not great. In
line so he's a really, good PLAYER and i don't

(23:45):
know where you value that because, TO me i think
his ceiling is a guy like that's going to be.
Your blocking why that's not, as big or as strong
or as technically sound as a Guy Like. John BATES
so i, get again are you drafting. THE competitor i
understand that his competitive tape, is excellent but to say
that he's going to go in the, FIRST round i
don't think he's a good enough athlete to. Do that

(24:05):
and THAT'S where i KIND of i don't know what
to do. With HIM because i like watching, THE film
i like. The player everyone says he's a. GREAT kid
i love, All that but how do you value that
if he doesn't have the athletic ceiling to get. You
there it's kind of the same thing we're talking About With.
Mitch EEVANS like I Like mitch, evans's tape, but like
if you don't have the athletic horsepower to get, it
done what's your role at the next level IN?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
The nfl my biggest Question With mason taylor is if
Now that i've seen the measurables, on you and he
came in at six oh five one two, fifty one he,
didn't run which that's a story for. Another day some
of you guys are getting real bad Advice, on hey we.
Shouldn't run we'll run At, the no don't don't. Do
that it doesn't end well because one of the biggest

(24:49):
Questions On mason, Taylor, is okay so you've got all the,
raw measurables why were you never that red?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Zone? Threat sure when you had all of the things
that should be bumping. You up you played with, malite
neighbors you played with all of these really talented wide.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Receivers they HAD. At lsu why were you never the
red zone threat when you're drawing one on one, Coverage
consistently so you couldn't meet that consistently in college IN,
the sec which is the closest thing we have TO the.
Nfl game But now i'm supposed to believe that you're
gonna come TO the nfl playing against, better talent against more,
consistent talent and now all of, a sudden you're going

(25:28):
to become this red.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Zone monster that's hard for me to wrap my.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
BRAIN round i could not have said that.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Better myself one of THE things i, look at especially
for the first two rounds in, a draft and this
Is where i'm a little bit Higher On terrence ferguson
is can you consistently win versus man and? Man Coverage
and terrence has shown his ability to, Do That mason taylor.
Has Not so i'm, always like if you're going to
be a red, zone weapon if you're going to be
a third, down weapon Think You're, george Kittles Your travis
Kelsey's Your, zach ertz you've got to win versus. Man

(25:55):
coverage and if you can't do it in college versus,
lesser coverage PLAYERS like i. Don't know that is the
crux of. MY argument i don't. Understand it, and again
he's a good, Football, player jason what?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
You got so just a guy coming in here that
has just a Guy question so no. Dumb questions but
this may, be dumb? All right could any of this
be the COACHING at lsu and what they're asking him
to do or are you, Strictly, saying okay the ball's
not thrown, to him but he's not a red zone
threat because you're not scheming him. That way is that?
Even possible because we Looked at Jane and daniels last

(26:29):
year and it, was like well he doesn't throw over in. The,
middle well they weren't asking.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Him to so with receivers and with, tight Ends, and
jerem you can Tell me. I'm wrong is you watch all.
THE routes i watch every route that they run usually
to see and if you're not separating on, third down
like on, a seam like do you have the good
nuance the lean, him out bend it? Back in are
you using a? Good stem do you have a? Double
stick do you have the suddenness? And twitch like he
ran a five yard out and he caught, the ball

(26:54):
but it was like, this slow languid kind of Outcut and,
i'm like A better dB.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Undercuts that that's. An interception and.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
So sure it's that skill set that, you're like is
it in his body to? Do it is the thing that, Gets,
ME jeremy i don't know how you feel.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
About that So what and this is one of those
things that tight ends are. A niche there are certain
coaches that are just not big on. Tight ends they'd
rather come out in five wides and have that pre,
snap mode especially, in college because it's so much easier
to do with there and they want to. Manipulate matchups
here's my problem with That With. Mason taylor how many

(27:31):
tight ends have we seen drafted Because Of brian kelly
He Made.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Michael mayer it's a.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Great point it's a, Great point.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
TOMMY that i don't get to go with, down HERE
and i get to deal with him down Here. IN carolina,
i cannot for the life of me figure out how
anybody thought he was a top, hundred player because you
really nest down what he Did At. Notre dame he
was a glorified fullback and that's what he's Done. In
carolina Cole, Commit, A Lse, mack durham smythe that's just
guys that were drafted Out Of. Notre dame by, the
way none of them outside of maybe the, first two

(28:05):
we're athletic enough to be high end. Draft Picks But
brian kelly made them. That way why couldn't he do
it With With, mason TAYLOR who i think athletically is
better THAN anybody i just said Not Named, cole, comet
Dude Because cole commett IS.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like a he's.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Like a it's like nicotine. FOR me I just i can't,
quit him no matter HOW bad. I, SHOULD.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
No, i, Agree MAN and i think that's again he's
a conundrum.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
TO me i don't know what to do. WITH him
i like.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
THE player i think he's gonna be good IN. THE
nfl i just don't know what. HIS seal i think
he plays ten years IN. THE nfl i just don't
know what his. CEILING is i don't know if he's
ever like a fifty. Catch guy but who is?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Your?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Three uh my Three Is? Elijah ROYO and.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I have set the set the clock. By him look, at.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
THIS SO i I have i have very similar takes
On a Royo, and taylor not because they're the. Same
player i'm gonna say something that's gonna sound a. LITTLE
strange i love IT and I and i mean it
to the depths of. MY soul i really want to
pair these two up. WITH coaches i want to pair

(29:08):
you Up With dan Quinn And, cliff Kingsbury or sean McDermott,
in Buffalo Or mike Tomlin, And Pittsburgh jamika Ryans. IN
houston i want to find a Coach that i'm not
worried is going to get fired a year, from NOW
because i don't just need you to have. A plan
i need this to be like electing. A president i

(29:30):
don't just need you to have a plan for this
kid for the next. TWELVE months i need you have
a plan for him for the next four Years because
i'm going to invest capital Here that i'm not super.
Comfortable with i'm not comfortable with investing a second Round Picking.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Elijah royo i'm talking.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
About that why? Is that why.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
One year?

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Of production i've watched way too many of, these guys
and he had. INJURY issues i feel like the MEDICAL
is i would love to get my hands on His medical.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I've heard the, seats insane like in a.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
GOOD way i want, to say what, looks like just
does this kid have like? Mutant blood and like if you,
prick him does he bleed red blood like.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
The rest, of US because i don't think.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
He.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Does no at the, same time he had like five
catches in three Years at miami before.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
This.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Year no AND again i think That's really i'm really
glad you brought, that up because the injury history the
one year of production are. Huge things but his one
year of production. Was crazy we talk about having the,
athletic upside the athletic ability to win one, on ones
to stretch, the seam to compete. In LINE like i
will say he's not great, in line but he's big
enough and he's competiti enough in line that you could

(30:39):
survive him with like as that Move f but it's
the matchups that he's able to create in, The offense
like if you come out in, twelve personnel they have
to match you. In nickel they have to match you.
In nickel they cannot put a linebacker on him because he's.
That fast he's that nuance as a. Route runner like
watching With The senior bowl live and in, living color
he's twitchy in the. Short area it's all the things.
You WANT but i love the Way that jeremy said

(31:01):
that because it's like all those things, are excellent but
he's been banged up and he's only had one year
of really good production with a guy who's going to
be a top five.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Picker, quarterback like.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Those things are things that are huge. Red, flags again,
the athlete the, talent's there but can you Stay healthy
kenny could. HAVE done i have no IDEA but i
totally agree with what you're.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Seeing There elijah royo is one of.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Those players it's almost like The old goosebump books of
you go to this page to get the ending that
you want if you want to. Love him if you
want to, LOVE him i can give you a handful.
Of tape you Watch The wake, forest tape you'll think
he's the second Coming Of. Rob, gronkowski yeah now you
put On the duke tape if you want to. Hate
him but there that Tape With. Manny diaz he manipulated

(31:43):
that kid for sixty.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Four.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Minutes, yeah INTERESTING and i.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Love IT and i see those two tapes and it's
such an interesting dichotomy. For me and that leads to
the third round, for me the third rounds of the.
Honey HILL if i WAS AN, NFL gm i would
get fired in three YEARS because i would just a
year over year keep trading out one to accumulate assets
from about forty five to, seventy five because that's the

(32:08):
honey hole seemingly in.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Every draft, to, ME dude i think that's one hundred.
Percent right and that's something we've. Talked about JASON and
i have talked about a lot with this, draft specifically
is like the, top is there's so much risk associated
with it because.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
They all got.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
A hit and there's nobody in this draft in the
first round that you're like in love and. Love with,
but man there are some excellent football players in that
second and. Third ROUND so i think that's great analysis.
By You, all right let's GET into.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
I not agree with that there's not guys in the
first round that you're in love in love With THAT i'm,
I mean i'm saying in roses to some of.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
These, dudes, NO okay I Mean i'm i'm in love.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
With them don't, get it don't get, me Wrong but
i'm saying it's not like the risk associated with the first. Round,
pick Sometimes like i'd rather have two second round picks
or two third round picks in, some years and this
year feels like that a.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Little bit let's talk about. Year two, for me it's
and it's. So CLOSE but I have loveland. At, TOO
yeah i still.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Love.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
HIM yeah i think we get.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Into this.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
We get worn down with guys that we have talked
about for this LONG and i look at all Of these.
MICHIGAN guys i never thought we were going to be
crucifying the Tape On will johnson the way that. We are,
oh YEAH and i think it's hilarious that he's gonna
end up falling to a good team that's borderline playoff
team because everybody's worried about how straight line fast he

(33:30):
is when he's An off he's an off, Zone corner
so why do you care about how straight line fast?
He is, but whatever we get guys involved in the
draft that we call Him our CANADAN, because i for,
some reason cannot spell The. WORD canadian i always leave out.
The eye so EVERY time i Say our canadan is

(33:54):
his Name's, not daniel which would make it better if.
He was but he has a line of it is
free to, say stuff like it costs you zero money to,
say Stuff And colston lovelin kind of falls into that.
For ME of i hear people detegrate him for things
that don't really make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
To me but there's no there's no real substance to.
The argument so what's.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
The argument the guy had no quarterback, last year he
played through injuries last year and he was, Still good
like it's still really. Really, good yeah he was, Their
offense like he's just all they had it was him
and two running backs that it was like they were playing,
ro shambos which one would?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Be Worse.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Just donovan Edwards And, khalail mulligs which one of us
is worse today from? Paper, scissors shoot oh?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's me, Yeah yeah so for, Me Spoiler colston lovelin's.
My one and the THING that i came back to
with him specifically is you're always looking for that, chess,
piece right that, chess piece that joker piece in your
offense that could win versus man to man coverage that
isn't going to be a liability in the, run game
but ultimately can Do Your, travis Kelce Your george kittle kind.

(35:08):
Of stuff and of the GUYS that i Watched that
i've watched over the last couple, of years Even Including,
kyle pitts to, BE honest i, was like this is
the GUY that i have the most confidence in him
being able to, do that like some of the like the,
route nuanced subtlety stuff that he was Talking that jeremy
was talking About With, Mitchell, EVANS like I think colson's,
got IT and i think he's a. BETTER athlete i think.

(35:30):
HE'S bigger i think. HE'S longer i think he tracks the.
Football BETTER so i just thought in terms of, a
weapon a pass, CATCHING weapon i think he's he's got
that it FACTOR that i don't think anybody else quite
has in this.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Draft class he's almost, six,' six yeah and he won't
be twenty one until either right before right.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
AFTER draft night i can't. Remember this one so still,
a young kid.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Still developing kid and THE question that, i have asked
and it's the tape, on my one is just SO
good that i.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Can't help IT and, maybe I should because i do keep.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Asking the question i'm looking at My evol on loveland
right now and there's a there's a line at the
top of the page that's just it's a reminder for
ME of when i. Watched the tape this was the
thing that kept rattling around. In my Brain and on,
loveland's it says how good would he Have Been?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
With, Drew aller.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Dude it's a it's a great it's it is THE
question AND i and, i for, ME was like, i
don't know he's JUST got.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
That nfl thing so let's talk.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
About your one, no spoilers here You got some jason.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
More, we, go yeah well before we get, INTO the
one i kind of wanted to set This Up because
colson loveland, Was your. One jeremy's two jeremy's one is
who we're about. To talk about hero. Is YOUR two
so i want you to start and tell me why
is your number two and not, your number One and
then jeremy's going to tell you.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Why, you're wrong, Okay, Ready, fight okay ready. Here we
go so just to, be perfectly clear both these, players,
Are excellent right they're.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Excellent football Players loveland and. Warren are excellent SO the
thing i, Came to dude warren's film is a.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Blast to watch it's a. Blast to WATCH.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Like he i said This before and i'm gonna get killed,
for It again but i'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Say it again he reminds me a little bit Like
Of like.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Ron gronkowski light he's just bigger and stronger and better
than the people. He's playing against his ability to, win
contested catches his ability to compete in line in, the
run game to be, the wildcat quarterback all that stuff is.
There for him he plays with, the right. Mentality THE
physicality like i Really. Really like warren but THE thing

(37:34):
that i kept, coming back to Is he so coulson
is a f with plus? Pass game upside Warren is
a why with plus, pass game upside which means he's
a little, bit less athletic a, little BIT twitchy and
i think a little bit less likely because of those
athletic deficiencies to be featured in a pass game that's
going to make him a top ten player at the POSITION.

(37:56):
In the nfl it's it's. A subtle distinction it's a
is he still going to be?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
An?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Excellent player absolutely but are you going to be comfortable
with lining him up all over the formation to? Create those,
matchups You know like jeremy talked about this with some of,
The other guys like coaching is going to be really.
Important to that like if He Goes to new england, Ten,
years ago yeah he's going, To be excellent but there's
a lot of teams that don't know how to, use
that Position that blocking why, TO that level i think
you can create a bunch of good. Matchups with them

(38:22):
not great, short area, quickness that's fine he wins. With
his size can you continue to do that? THE next
level i tend to think that guys who have high
contested catch rates in college don't translate WELL. To the
nfl and that's my only concern. WITH his game.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I cannot disagree with anything, you just said SO you
said i had to fight this out of why. He was,
wrong all right here's where the problem. That comes in
this is almost like arguing about which one of my,
children IS cuter because i think they're. Both REALLY cute
and i want to show you. ALL the pictures i

(39:02):
like one slightly better, than The other and i'll tell you.
WHY it's fit I Know where. TYLER warren's. GOING i
know i Don't know that i've ever been as confident
of a player in the top ten and where they're
going TO go that I Am. With tyler warren where
he's Going to the, Jets at seven he's going To
Be justin. FIELDS cole comet. I know exactly i. SEE

(39:26):
the path i watched the. FREE agency dollars i. GOT
it all I Feel like john nash in a beautiful.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Mind right now the numbers are. SPEAKING to ME i got.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I see it i can't Figure Out where, colston Loveland
goes and i'll TELL you where i think it's.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Going to be it's Going, To. Be indianapolis indy that.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Would be terrible that'd be. TERRIBLE for him.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
I hate it so you have two quarterbacks who are
the best thing they do. Is run awesome that's that
is really conducive for a pass catcher got.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
In, at fourteen dude if He, goes to Indy. That'd,
be yeah again this is where the draft is. Such
a crapshoot like let's say you flip those And You
say colson loveland Goes to the Jets and then Warren. Goes,
TO indianapolis like i feel the same way because, the
quarterback situation the way they're using the. Offense Isn't great

(40:17):
what I'd really like coulson and go is to go
in a little bit of a slide and either Go
to the commanders that won't happen or Go To. THE
denver Broncos I Think peyton sean payton really would understand
how to use that skill set at a high level
and you get a really nice productive year from. Both
OF them but i think that's a Great. Point by,
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BEEN waiting for i don't know if everyone's. BEEN waiting
for i think tight ends are way more exciting than.
Quarterbacks This, year but jeremy let's do a, really high
level like what you're looking for, in a quarterback, just
high level kind of a couple bullet points and we'll
get INTO top five.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
I feel, like AND now look i have over the.
LAST few years I can't say i have been the most.
Accurate with quarterbacks i'll just say the list of guys
that have been more accurate than me is, very very
short and you could probably put it.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
ALL to time.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
I love it I Did have jaydon daniels at, one
LAST year and i, Can, prove.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
That yeah that IS that's, why i mean you said
that on, our last show and we're here, for it man,
Because we agree.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
SO go ahead i feel like quarterback is the one
position where dudes start doing dude.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Things and lie explain TO you what i. MEAN by that.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
A single guy will meete a pretty girl in a
bar and she could have a severed head, in her
trunk and if, SHE'S cute enough i.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Can fix her, Like it's, fine, I'm GOOD yep but
i still have a.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Lot, Of questions why like there are so many, women
out there why do you have to have the axe
murderer with a head in the back? Of a buick
and that's KIND of how i fall in on at
least one of the high end quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
In this class you Ask me what, I'm looking for
just do the.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Basics so well you should not have huge categorical flaws.
In Your game cam ward does, not have. Big, SCREAMING
flaws yeah i think he's limited.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
SURE in that i.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
DON'T know.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
THAT i don't i think, he's a good. NOT great
athlete i think he has a good. NOT great arm
i think he's he could really spin it when. He's
in rhythm i'm fine with. All of that that's a.
First round, quarterback to me there's not another one of those.
In this class there's just not there's not a first.

(43:09):
Round talent, here and. LOOK my two i, love my.
Two my two. I'm doing. THIS say anything i got
the boombox. Outside the window just, come, love ME bro
because i really wanted you to go to like one
of eight teams and it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
None Of them but.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I'm be sad so let's get, into IT then BECAUSE
i can't i. Really can't wait, And this year i'm to,
BE perfectly candid i have not watched as MUCH quarterback
as i NORMALLY watch because i don't care that. Much
This year so i'm gonna give you my super. High
level takes jason has watched more quarterback than. Me this
year so we're going to. Get ON this but i think.
Let's get going you got, Something, TO say.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Yeah i think the best way to do this is
to do like just say what, quarterbacks you like and
like just say, You're, top five jeremy and then like whichever, one,
you're like oh let's talk. About this guy let's just. Talk,
about him okay like a, LITTLE less structured i guess
than the ends Because here in washington we don't, care
that much so let's just hit.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
The hot Topics so auguess, I'll, go first jeremy and
then you can Tell me. If i'm wrong so my
Top five is, milroe, as?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Five right? Shuck oh shuck Oh, From uh?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Waitrose, you're?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Five yeah dude who else? Would? You, are yeah like
then give, me, a, second here guy give. Me a, second,
Come on shuck.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm, Gonna, go shador dart and Then obviously cam ward
at One is my those are, my five there and
then now, you, tell.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Me wait, we, agree, one, ONE three. Four i have,
Ward is one dart, Is my two chadur, Is, My
three tower shuck?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Is, my, four?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Okay okay perfect then? Who's?

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Your?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Five?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
QUEEN yours dude. I like.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
It let's talk let's talk ABOUT him because i actually like.
Him a lot so let's talk. ABOUT that one. I
like that let's start THERE because actually. I totally forgot
i did. An evaluation him milroe was. A lazy one
i'm GOING to say i was Being. Lazy with milroe
i'm backing out. On that now.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
So My Great.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
On jalen milroe if it could, HAVE been negative i
would have made it, a.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Negative dude it's a tough, film to.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
WATCH no doubt i THINK the thing i SETTLED in
on i think it was a little bit more predictive
with THIS on who i LIKE where that i think
the order they. Will actually Go, AND with milroe i,
SEE the athlete i see. THE arm, talent i, THINK
like you i think fit is going to. Be really
important like can he go to, a spot, like For
example like philly and be the backup there for three

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years and grow and develop in an offense with a really,
Good Offensive line LIKE that's where i see him going
because the. Talent IS there but i think the like
the thing you said at the, beginning OF this which
i think is the most important thing with a quarterback
is can they do?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
The?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Easy stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well he does milroe does the high, level stuff well
but the easy stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Is not good is he.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Like an old O'dule's Version? Of, Anthony richardson yes like
he's just he's, just, very athletic right he's, an elite
runner but he's, not as big, not as fast and.
HE'S not accurate i.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Want to get jeremy', stut on this, But For me
anthony richardson was a unicorn, ATHLETE unicorn terms i.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Would pay, That, that's why Yes It's.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Not, ANTHONY richardson yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I don't know i kind of feel like that's. A
good comparison what Do You Think jeremy.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Jalen milroe Does look like anthony richards and if he
was about eighteen beers deep. On his film so the background,
On my computer i'm a, Reasonably TECHY guy so i
made a gift of the Opening Interception of Jalen, milroe
against vanderbilt which is legitimately The worst throw.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Not a great thing if you if you put that
with a bunch of, EIGHT year olds i would be
yelling at, the kid's dad going what? Is he doing
and you Did. That at alabama that's the background on
my computer of it just spins constantly of do Not
Fall for jalen milroe.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Under any circumstance.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Now, you say that but what if he falls into
like a very late round and, like You're saying like
philly takes him or, Someone like, That, it's like okay
it's worth a shot. With this guy you're not paying
im any what's the?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
High Side there and i'm just gonna use the example
that you, Gave All right So Philadelphia, had kenny pickett
who they've now traded for a Draft. Pick, to cleveland
Yes they have TANNER McKee that i believe. IN a
Lot i think tanner McKee will be a starting quarterback
in this league before it's all.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
SAID and.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Done i Agree so now i'm Gonna take mill row
as like a developmental three that's gonna get five percent
of snaps, outside OF camp and i don't think he's
ever going to. DEVELOP that way i think he will be,
A DECENT runner like i can run the. Veer with
Him So if lou holtz started OACH in the nfl

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Would have a.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I'd be giddy but that's.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
ALL he is i think that's THE thing is i
think so he's on the list because the, talent for
me that's why he's on the list is. The TALENTS
there But i think i've broke my own. Rule WITH
him Is i think jeremy brings up, a great point
is is it possible for him to get where he
needs to be SERVICEABLE at the nfl level and the
processing is. A little slow, like the athlete the arm,
talent's all there but it's that's the thing with quarterback

(48:28):
is you're not going to get a lot of, Opportunity
to develop like we just talked, about tight ends like
you'll have a couple of years to, figure it, out
you know to kind of like set in develop the
find a, role for you even if, it's not great
even if the coaching staff, on the level like if
you're drafted in the, first three rounds they'll give you
three years to. Figure it out, but the quarterback it's not.
Really like that, and SO again like i don't know

(48:48):
if he, Ever gets there like watching him at times
like just with reads and, seeing the. Field it's painful
but he is a special talent in terms of. Throwing
the football he's a special talent in. Terms of running
so maybe you bet on those traits and figure out
let's talk. About your five let's. Go quinin yours what are?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You seeing?

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Him the man the good, is really good the bad,
is really bad but he can. Absolutely spin it AND
the thing i come back to with yours is he's
kind of In That. Like cole, COMET for me i just,
can't quit you no MATTER how bad, i want TO
because when i watch just, the raw tools the raw

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talent take take everything out.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Put it all.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
In a vacuum how many players in college football can
spin it better Than quin yours and. It's, not many
yeah it's. A great point pressure grade. Is not good
you put pressure on him and. Bad things happen but
when it's. All clean IT here's what. I don't understand
i don't understand how somebody can tell me that They

(49:49):
Love shed or sanders And They hate quinn yours when
they're literally.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
The same guy it's.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
A good point it's it's a.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Really good point like it is funny HOW people get
i don't know bias is, the right word but they
kind of get in these like rhythms WHERE it's like
i don't like these things, about this player but this
other player does exactly the same thing and you don't
and you're.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
OKAY with. Him i don't i've always that's. ALWAYS baffled
me i think.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
When we get into.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Very lazy comps one of the things that has always
irked me to no, end is that, especially with quarterbacks
we only compare quarterbacks to other quarterbacks that.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Look, like them yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
That's Not Accurate quin you Weres And shed or sanders
do not look anything alike until you watch them on, tape,
and go huh every, deficiency you have. You have right, the,
DIFFERENCE is well i think one.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Of them is.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
One of them has a medical that scares me to
death with YOU wors because i feel like he gets
hurt about. Every, third game yeah and that's it's hard
for me to get on board with that because you're getting,
Hurt in college you're gonna get hurt in.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
THE pros too i don't know if you didn't, DRINK
enough milk, i don't know if you.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
DID nature wheaties, i don't know if you didn't Listen
to hul cogan when he was telling you that when,
WE were kids. I don't know but there's something about
that kid that there's a lot of there's a lot
of brittle. To queen youwers that's really the only difference
between shadu or and, Yours FOR me.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
So i wanted to bring this up real. Quick with
yours THE one thing i DID get when i was
watching him a little bit is. The anticipatory throws and
again they're not a big feature. Of that offense he
doesn't do, it a lot which makes me. A little
bit THAT'S something that i look for In quarterbacks like
jeremy talked about the things. HE'S looking for i look.
FOR anticipatory throws i look for. REQUISITE arm talent i

(51:32):
look for kind of an. Innate playmaking ability whatever That
gen sa qua. That magic is but the anticipatory throws for.
Me are huge and again again it's not a huge
Feature of. The TEXAS offense but i didn't see it
to the SAME.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Level that i Saw. It with shador what would you
SAY to that.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I don't love I.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
DON'T love sarkasian i love him as, a COLLEGE coach
and I think sometimes i say THINGS and people i
don't necessarily. Explain IT appropriately if i had a kid
that was a five star, Blue Chip prospect steve sarkeysan
would be on the very short list OF guys that
i would want. Coaching him up, that being said he

(52:13):
does not have a great track record OF coaching. Up,
nfl quarterbacks yeah and he's, had some talent and it
just kind of feels like the. Talent Never develops And
that's where i'm. AT with, viewers i mean in terms
of as a, high school prospect this was one of
the highest rated prospects, we've ever seen and He goes
to texas after That Year, at ohio state and it's

(52:36):
felt like. HE never developed i also don't understand why
guys commit to programs where they're the fifth quarterback in
line like He Did.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
AT ohio state i don't know.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Why you think that's, Going To work but i've watched
it not, work ENOUGH times and i think youwers falls
into that of you had that weird kind of Forgotten You're.
At ohio state he dropped out. Of school early this
was one of the first when the transfer portal really.
Became a thing this was one of the first. Prizes
of it He goes to texas and it just never

(53:07):
it always felt kind of, clunky to me.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
And it never felt he was the best in.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
His Biggest games, that georgia tape if you can Watch
him against georgia the second TIME in the sec title
game and not, just absolutely good THAT kid's. An nfl
quarterback it was about as good of A tape as
i saw from a quarterback. This, Entire process SURE but

(53:35):
then i went and went And Watched the OHIO state,
and i realized if you had even been a fraction
of what You, were against georgia you Would Have.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Beaten ohio state.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
The inconsistency with him is ALSO something that i had a.
HARD time with i, don't get IT like, when i,
understand like why like you're hurt or there's a, lot
of pressure or your offensive lines banged up you can't,
run the football or the receiver's hurt or, Whatever IT
is like i understand THE inconsistency when i don't understand
when it's not, clear to me like why one game
you look like the second coming of, Whoever You, want

(54:08):
joe montana and this next game you look like you
shouldn't BE. In the nfl that always makes me a
little bit. Nervous as well.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yours is the definition of the.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Hot, crazy scale, Yeah all right So.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Four is shuck is? This Your?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Name, Tyler Shuck yes Tyler. SHUCK from louisville i, Really,
LIKE him like i really like. Him a lot like he,
spins the, ball he's fast you can run some quarterback run.
Stuff with, him HE'S big like i think you see
the anticipatory, throws on tape like he elevated That, offense
said louisville like did a lot of. Really good things

(54:44):
but he is old and he is. Hurt a lot
how do you.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Feel ABOUT him so i said something the LAST time,
THAT i was i was on, with YOU guys and
i DON'T know IF i just.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I don't know i DON'T know if i was. DRINKING
that day I don't. Think i was so he does
have three, season ending injuries but.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
They.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Weren't ligament issues it was two collar bones and. A
broken fibula i don't worry about that as much long.
Term THE bone and i DON'T know if i just
put that in, MY note. WRONG i don't i went
back and listen to, that and WENT why did I
say that? That's not true.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
He doesn't have the he doesn't have weak knees or.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
ANYTHING like that i think He may have it's. Possible
his bone his bones are a little bit brittle, because
collar bone two collar. Bones is weird that's not a
normal thing to see from a kid that's twenty.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Five years old.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
That tends to happen, to older players because as, time
goes on your bones. Become More Brittle and aaron rodgers
he'd had no issue until he was, like thirty five thirty, six,
years old sure and then he had two of them,
in five years one of Them, with the jets one
of them with The. With the packers that is. Unsettling
to me but in a QUARTERBACK class that, i believe

(56:04):
in this little seeing the, Raw in. HIM i'm, good
i mean and, it wasn't he but he all of
a sudden in his age, twenty five season he was
better than everybody.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
On the field those guys scare?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Me to?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Death can he pickett WAS never an nfl quarterback until
he was two or three years older than. Everybody's, PLAYING
against sure i run away from those guys. Like active grenades,
IN no way i won't take them in the. First
five rounds the bust rates like. Ninety five percent schuck
was good even when. He was younger he just. Kept,
getting hurt.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Jeremy let me Ask You. ABOUT jackson dart i think
this is the next one. On our list We're gonna
Save shugar and kim because they're the top two across.
Most NATIONAL media but i want to ask you about
him because you're Very high On. Dart, from mississippi.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yes he's my number two.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
In this class he is the one quarterback in this
class that doesn't wilt like day old flowers when the pressure.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Gets TURNED up and.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I get it everybody, wants, to say well he was
in a pick and Pop Offense at old miss and
he didn't really even have to, think about anything and
look at how good. The, receivers were, okay all right
you DO realize that i can say everything you just
Said about, schdor sanders.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Too and probably even in terms, OF receiver talent i,
think they're like all four of his receivers are getting, drafted,
this year right, probably you think.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
And we'll be priority. Undrafted, free agents.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah and then one of The Dudes from old, misses getting?
DRAFTED right? AM i am i off on That.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
You'll get Watkins, you'll get Wells You'll, get trey.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Harris all those guys. THAT get Drafted I think.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Trey harris will Go.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Into twin wells he ran so poorly that he may,
not get Drafted and then watkins, ran really well which
probably GETS him into, i don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Middle, of SIX yeah but I guess what I'M saying,
is i Felt After watching old miss And after, watching
colorad know the Receiver TALENT at colorado i, thought was,
BETTER you know i thought, It WAS better so i think.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
IT was equivalent i can't say it was better because
they Didn't Have, A trey Harris I, mean TRAVIS hunter
but i also look AT, In the sec i'm playing
a much higher. LEVEL of defense i put Nothing Into
the big TWELVE solely because i think with ALL the prospects,
I have GRATED i think i have like eight Guys
from the big twelve that are, draftable defensive players and

(58:27):
one Of Them, is travis hunter who is everybody as
good a receiver as he.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
IS a corner i don't put a lot of.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Stock, IN that yeah i just don't understand why the
pick and Pop thing with dart is such. A big
deal but then people will just kind of admit That,
with with shduur Which Is, with sean lewis that's exactly
what he was doing the.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Exact, SAME offense.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Yeah i don't get that because The tape, on DART'S
better and i don't think it's.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
All that close it's.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
A great point i think you see more throws. DOWN
the field i think When you watch shador it's there
are throws, down the. Field no doubt but the offense
Is Much more what i'm going to say Is like,
a texas offense, much more horizontal like, lots of screens lots,
of UNDERNEATH stuff and i think he does a great job,
of reading short does a great job of reading. That
STUFF out but i do think you see a little
bit more dynamism Is the word i'm.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Gonna Use with jackson dart in terms of pushing the football.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Down the field that ball kind of comes off his
hand with some more RPMs like the, far hash comeback
all that kind of stuff you'll SEE at.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
THE nfl level i just think there's.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
More volume there it's kind of one of THE reasons
THAT i like jj McCarthy last year a LITTLE bit
is i felt like he could do MORE of, the
NFL stuff and I Feel like jackson, dart in college
even though the offense is, a good offense it's, a
simpler offense has a little bit more, of that stuff
of the physical. Stuff on tape.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
So Let's move To. Schaduran Cam ward and i'm going
to start this One off because i'm, just a guy,
not the expert and most just the guys out there
and the casual fan like me that's sitting around sees
these guys as one two And They see shdura sanders,
and they're like, that's, A guy right SO what do i.
SEE from, Him i mean mike. COMP for him i told.
You this once logan is Like he's the. Batman to

(01:00:12):
me he, has no superpower but he has A lot, of,
He's rich right like he's. Rich with Talent he's got dion.
Helping him Out He's got travis, hunter with him and
he's good, at almost everything but no superpower and can
get the crap beat. Out of him if, He's not
careful bane can. Break his back so that's KIND of how.

(01:00:33):
I see him if he goes to. A Good situation
like i'm, thinking to myself, maybe this guy, He's got
tools he's got, the tool belt he's got, the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Bat belt he's.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Got the batmobile like he's got some. Of these, things
this ATHLETICISM and like i think that's what people kind
of bet on with him and what. They look at
but he does take a lot of hits and a
lot of sacks and holds onto the ball and not
all of that is. The, line's fault JEREMY? Why am i?
This is why i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Just a guy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
You're an expert Tell me if i'm seeing this Right or,
if i'm wrong or let me let me. Know. Your
feedback here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I'm more angry that you just took A. SHOT at
batman a shadow of it out MY favorite super I have.
A batman Tattoo. I love batman batman doesn't. Have a,
superpower He's loaded and I'm Convinced, that elon musk when
he gets tired of messa, with the government he's gonna Become.
Real life batman you just go throw on the, SUIT
and go, I got money, let's do this. Make it,

(01:01:28):
Happen UH shoulder So i have there are there are
a FEW stats that i use with quarterbacks that are.
Almost like disqualifiers and the first one is gonna sound
REALLY wonky when. I Say it shador sanders turnover worthy
play rate was one. Point three percent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
That's a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Disqualifier for me why because it means you. Take, no
shots ever it's THE same problem I Had. With caleb
williams you are safe to a point of almost completely
hamstringing yourself because you're so worried.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
ABOUT throwing interceptions i watch him on tape and there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Lot of screens there's a lot, of manufactured touches there's
a lot of, dink and dunk there's a lot of
THE best tape i Ever saw shedor standers was when
he was able to stay in the pocket for two and.
A half seconds that doesn't HAPPEN. In the nfl you're gonna.
Get heated up and when he, gets heated up he

(01:02:33):
turns into a. Non draftable, quarterback to me he starts
turning his back, to the line which for Me is
the that is like. The unforgivable sin when you start doing.
That bailout, thing and look there's some quarterbacks that, Are
Athletic enough lamar jackson can get. By With it Shadoor Sanders.
At lamar jackson so when you, start doing that that's

(01:02:55):
a complete breakdown of, all things mechanic because now you're
gonna have to spin back, to the line get back
into your progression having completely taken eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Off of it that would be the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Equivalent of telling this kid that you were going to
play pin the tail, on the donkey putting the, mask
on him, spinning him around and then asking him to
hit a receiver. In a second. It doesn't work it's
not gonna. Work For him shadoor sanders is the best
seven On seven quarterback. I've ever seen like if we
played flag FOOTBALL, In the nfl he's the number one,

(01:03:32):
picking this draft and. It's not close the problem is
that we don't and somebody's. Gonna overdraft him i'm ninety
nine point ninety nine percent sure it's a team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
In your division i've never been as.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Confident of anything I've, never had chador Not to the
giants in any mock.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Draft.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I'VE done no i think they need a. Quarterback for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
His actions lend to somebody, has told him. You're not
falling did you see him at the at the at
his actual, Availability.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Media wise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Was that off putting to you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
A little, bit i mean, because you know get these
guys to, get up there and they treat it, like
an interview and, they're very professional and they're, very locked
in and, they're VERY accommodating and i just felt like
he was there kind, of UNAPOLOGETICALLY him. Which i Appreciate but,
also i'm like is the fact you're, turning down teams
you're kind of being brashed to teams because you think

(01:04:32):
you're not going to get a draft by them is
an interesting? Move by, him so again, LIKE off putting,
i don't know a, little theatrical maybe but it, was
an interesting interesting, choice, AND someone definitely i would agree
kind of either gave him really good advice or gave him.
Some POOR advice and i guess we'll find out here
in a.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
COUPLE of weeks i will tell You something About shador
that i've yet to hear anybody in national media. Say
OUT loud and i went back and. CHECKED the uh
i checked the schedule to make SURE that what i was.
Saying was right he had two receivers that were doing
their media availability while he was Walking Around with joseina
anderson doing the, look at me, look at me, look

(01:05:10):
at me. Look at Me interesting if, I'M your receiver
i don't love the fact that my quarterback is making
everything About him and i've got two people standing in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Front, OF me, YEAH i mean i don't love that
these are supposed to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Your guys yeah the one thing that got me was,
when they, were you Know Him and cam warred were
having that throwing session and it's all. Over the Internet, It's,
ON instagram twitter i think it's on, YouTube as well and,
And You know cam, warred's, gonna say, oh you don't
you're kind of A check down Charlie and he the
first Thing should or sanders, said, IS like well i
didn't have. The offensive line like those. TYPES of comments

(01:05:44):
i know. THEY'RE in jest i know he's, a young
guy but they make me just a little bit concerned
that like when, it gets hot like when it gets a,
little bit difficult which it WILL, In the nfl like
what's your reaction? Going to be and again like this
is part. Of THE process and i don't think we're
not trying to, kill the kid like he's just what
is he twenty? One years old but those are things
that definitely come to the forefront of mind with him

(01:06:06):
that are, a little concerning and especially in a Big Market,
like new york like they're not going to go easy,
on you there and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
GOING to think i LAUGH when, people i Laugh especially when,
shador said, it but this well he didn't have. The
offensive line you also realized that he didn't go up
against the. Pass, rushers either sure there are no big
twelve pass rushers. In this class like the best one
you're going To see IS, baddie from. Byu who's good

(01:06:33):
and if you go back and WATCH those two Byu
tapes where, Colorado played them chador.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Wasn't, particularly good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Yeah did you ever notice that in every tape that
you actually put a legit pass, rusher out there and everybody, wants,
to say oh it's because of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
The offensive line maybe it's because he. Can't, handle pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Yeah and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
A huge deal and that's something we talked about with
last year's quarterbacks. Quite a bit and it is a,
it's a factor and it's something. That's really significant and
there's no magic bullet when it comes. To quarterback evaluation
there's no like this data point, Leads to this but
that is one of those ones that has a little
bit less noise. Associated with it and if you have
a bad pressure, rate in college usually you struggle WITH.

(01:07:13):
In the nfl and and for a guy that has is,
somewhat athletically, limited You Know, because jane daniels he his pressure.
Is pressure rate when, he took pressure his completion. Percentage
went down it was everyone was talking about. That LAST
year But I think jane daniels' athleticism allows him. TO
overcome that i don't think you see the Same.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Thing, with, shador yeah no it's it's it's almost shocking how. Unathletic,
he is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Well My, Apologies, to batman yeah you, should, be apology
yes and, Apologies. To you jeremy so let's move On The.
Cam ward logan you. CAN start here i will say
that like THE first time i was brought On the
cam Ward Was Through. Saint. ANA moss sure i was
sitting with him and we Were watching The miami, in
florida game and he does this kid is going. To
be special you. Just watch him he's to be something special.

(01:08:00):
In the league he meant not just at college and
he had a. Pretty good season he's most. People's Number,
one now logan he's, your number one and talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Me, ABOUT him, YEAH i mean i just think there's
a maturity, to HIS game. WHICH i, appreciate i, think
you know he's. An older player he's kicked around to a,
Couple different programs he's learned. SOME different offenses i think.
THAT shows up i think there's a composure to him.
IN the pocket i think there's a natural playmaking. ABILITY
to him i think he's, aggressive at points almost. TO
a fault i think he spins the football at. A

(01:08:30):
high level i think he handles. Pressure, relatively WELL again,
LIKE i think i Think the way jerrymy characterized it,
is he's good not great in a, lot of categories
and the thing that makes me feel really good about
it is he does have this kind, of playmaking moxie
just like when it's time to make when it's, when it's,
time you know it's it's it's we're getting up. Pressed

(01:08:52):
against it he just has an ability to make plays
and kind of be in the moment. And BE composed
and i think back to my TIME, in the nfl
and the best quarterbacks played with were guys that had
that kind of ice in their veins. At all times
the moment was never too. Big FROM him and i see,
That with him and So that's why i'm SO confident
is i think he's got. A good arm i think
he's got a good. Composure ABOUT him and i think

(01:09:12):
he's got a great knack for making plays when he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
To make him and there's. SOMETHING to that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I agree with everything.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
You just said the thing that scares Me about cam
ward is that he, doesn't Take, singles will.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Dude great, point great, Point. Great point jude.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
He really likes to hit the home run one d
percent and he's. GOOD at, it i mean this is
the reason we don't let children play with fireworks is
that they find and thinks they can blow, up and
hey it's such.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Fun to watch. Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
And he has a quality of that of you can
tell he played at a lower. LEVEL of competition i
think he did with with all three of his stops
to be really. On Incarnate Word obviously, Washington state, Obviously
hey LOOK i'm. An acc guy WE covered the acc.
Hands ON here the acc is not good, at this
point Especially Not with. Florida state down and you just

(01:10:08):
kind of look through the Games that cam ward had.
This Past year the florida. TAPE was intriguing i didn't
love The. Tape against louisville.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
It was fine.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
But wasn't great there's just A lot Of Syracuse in
Iowa State and wake forest and col Those are not
those are NOT tapes that i. Can really use AND
then when I nested and i'm just, going to level
he's still the SAME guy that i would have had
as the fifth quarterback in. Last year's class that's hard
for me to unsee because he came into the twenty

(01:10:41):
twenty Four class originally withdrew wanted To Go, to ohio
state wanted To Go, to florida state and then Finally.
Settle on miami he would have been behind the three, Highest, End, Guys.
Jaden drake caleb he would have Also Been. Behind michael,
pennox for.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Me is that?

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
The worst thing because that was, a Historic, class right
like so if you throw, that class out how MUCH
this guy i think? IT will, BE i Mean? I,
do drakes?

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Okay ALL right and i argued this so much LAST
year and i didn't know, you Guys then so i'll
do it in the. Vacuum, RIGHT now sure i THINK
there's one a plus quarterback, in That. CLASS as jake
i think there was one eight quarterback, in that class And.
THAT was drake i think everybody else is a. COMPLETE toss,
up I?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
THOUGHT what, drake i, Thought? You, said jayden no what are? We? Talking,
About no JAYDEN was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
My A plus The, a was drake and then everybody
else is a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Complete, toss up Okay, that was okay dodged, The, Bullet
THERE no but i THINK that THAT'S i think i
agree with, that SENTIMENT too because i think There's Holes in.
MICHAEL pennock's game i think there's more holes in his
name escapes me at the moment he Plays For. THE
chicago bears i. Can't Remember, that caleb. WILLIAMS thank you
i think there are a lot of holes. In, his

(01:11:58):
GAME YEAH but i i, like those players YOU know?
What I mean AND i think I like CAM warden
and i do think like given his the adversity that
he's faced, in his career how long he's, been in
college gives me a lot of Confidence, seeing Bo Nick
seeing jayden daniels last year and how successful they were
and how experienced they are navigate some. OF that stuff

(01:12:21):
i go Back to, what, jeremy said though you got
to take a single sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
And it's boring he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Great at it and that's something where you Look, at
bon nix he's great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
At taking Singles Look, at jayden daniels great. At.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Taking singles right the issue, with you know some of
the other quarterbacks we just talked about is they couldn't.
Take SINGLES well and i think it's going to affect
them negatively for a long time until they. FIGURE it
out i think they can. Figure IT out but i
think that's something With ward that i'm a little.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Bit worried about list you have to be able.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
To Do That see caleb williams is the exact opposite,
Side Of that caleb williams. Only takes singles He's Like
the trot. Nixon of quarterbacks you never hit. Into the
gap it's just little dribblers. Past THE shortstop why i,
DIDN'T like him i still, don't LIKE him as i
did take great Joy And Going nana nanda Boo boo
at chicago. Fans all year they called.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Me a moron my, last question then, for quarterbacks specifically
does coaching and your situation matter the? Most with them
because you look at Like, jayde and daniels it's not
taking anything. Away from him really, good coaching staff. Really
good situation same Thing, With BO nix like i kind
OF feel like jj McCarthy may have a good year
just because of the situation. That he's in does that

(01:13:31):
how much does that play into success IMMEDIATELY in the
nfl versus? The prospect evaluation how much time you think
THEY may TAKE. J.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Spot j j McCarty is gonna have a great ye
because hes gonna hold A Clipboard. For aaron rodgers it's
hard not to have. A good year did? You, drop
it no that's. A great year. Coaching, definitely matters look
it's this is a little bit of, of A rant
so i'll try to consume it down. TO thirty seconds

(01:14:03):
i get Railed On for lamar jackson A lot because
i did not see HIM as. An nfl quarterback now
he's won a couple of MVPs where people really the
thing that you forget Is That, the baltimore ravens which
are one of the best drafting teams, in this league
they committed every Available Resource to lamar jackson from the

(01:14:25):
minute he walked into that building, until right now and.
It's never stopped they have been fully. Committed to him
where teams fall short with quarterbacks is that you don't
FULLY invest the jj McCarthy's of the world need. Every single.
Snap all right This Flirtation with aaron, rodgers is dumb

(01:14:48):
but it's not going to lead you where you, want
it to and it's taking precious snaps.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Away from McCarthy if you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Fully lock In If the tennessee titans fully lock In
on cam ward is their guy and every decision they
make for the next three years is making. HIM their
guy I think cam ward can be a top ten
to twelve quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
IN the league i think.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Should do her if you do, THE same thing i
think can be a, top Twenty guy And I'll say
jackson dork can be a. TOP fifteen guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
I think that's a really nice way. OF putting it
i think if the team puts a, LOT of resources
i think the other important thing just to note is
you got to have the right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Kind of guy See know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
What I'M saying so i think if You look at
indianapolis and what they've Done With, an anthony richardson they've given, him,
A lot right they've, Supported him well they've brought an
offensive coordinator who can speak to. His skill set he
has not supported them with. His work ethic the thing
that gives me Confidence that cam ward given the, right
coaching situation he's going to work at it right because
he had to work at it Same Thing. With jane
daniel so if you support the quarterback and they've got

(01:15:47):
the right work ethic and they've, GOT the talent i
think that's where you get that kind. Of magic elixir,
BUT you know i think that's going to do it. For,
the show right, we're all done and.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Just so, our fans know we're recording this. A little
early by the time, it Comes Out maybe aaron rodgers
has signed So for but the POINT is that i really.
LOVE this discussion i really love when You come ON
Jeremy The. Espn Draft, nerd jeremy green tell us where
we can. Find Your Stuff the sports oocracy. Is my
show it's, just like democracy. But with sports you can
find that on all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
The social MEDIA'S I'm At espn Draft nerd on twitter
and my latest four round mock Draft for the commanders.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
IS dropping Tonight i think i'm. Dropping it, tonight if
not what's?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
The date though like the date? Is the Date today,
is march Seventeenth So. This, patrick's day yes this show
is going to come out a, little bit later. Probably.
Next week right so if if you're listening to this
now And You're a, washington commanders fan make sure you
go Back and find jeremy's for four round mock Draft For. The,
washington commanders jeremy thanks so much. FOR joining us i
learned so MUCH every time i. Talk to you, you're

(01:16:50):
a blast, love your comparisons. Love your analysis we'll have
to have you out again one more time before the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Draft comes around the number is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Always the same i'm a pretty easy you GOTTA fun
and i enjoy it with you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Guys as well thank, You. So much jamie that is
it absolutely m m hmmm mm hmm

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