Reacting to Deebo Samuel Trade Reports + NFL Combine Recap | Command Center Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL

The guys react to Adam Schefter reporting that Deebo Samuel is on his way to D.C. They look at what this means for Jayden Daniels, Kliff Kingsbury, and Terry McLaurin. Then, the guys recap the 2025 NFL Combine and give some under-the-radar guys that stood our to them. Plus, they discuss Fred Smoot's hilariously underwhelming 40-Yard Dash time and if 40 times even really matter.   Hosts: Logan Paulsen, Santana Moss, Fred Smoot   Producer: Jason Johnson

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, Adam Sheffer
reports DEVO to DC and then we break down the
combine and does it matter if you run fast?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Fred?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
And to be fast and not to be fast dead?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Is the question? All starts right now.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Welcome into the Command Center Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm Logan paulse here with Fred Smoot and Santana Moss
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
We've got a ton of great questions. Keep them coming in.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
We want to make sure that we're giving you content
that you want and that Fred can hopefully I answer
questions for you most definitely, and I hear them wrong
and give you false information, but that's always learn and
then that's that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Hey, Hey, I just want to give a shout out
to Gary Clark because he put on a great break
thing his weekend, said Tana Mouse, gotta wood be Mitch
got of wood. Is nothing else better than X teammates
sure and love to ex players.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I thought it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
What was the word for, well, I kind of suarizing.
It was basically, just give me you your flowers, recognition,
recognition for what you've done on the filing off the field.
You know what I mean. And like I say, like
he just mentioned, yes, big shout out to Gary, but
another big shout out to Fred and uh CP for

(01:27):
speaking on behalf of me. And no, it was nice. Man,
I didn't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Don't believe what they said about you, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Please don't. I'm a better person than you think.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
He was in my little tux too.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
By Fred was clean man casket clean, jumped out of
the casket.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I love that. And were their fans there?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
People there?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
It was tons of people there.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I saw something on your Instagram. But it look cool,
look like a really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It was a cool event in a great building.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Like I said, you don't see that much where other
players do that.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
For the players, it's usually an organization.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
He does it.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
So to see Gary go out of his way to
make that happen to show appreciation, man, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Say that we play the game, and I don't want
to be too long when we played the game for
many different reasons, you know what I mean, And it
always get brought up, you know. You know when it
comes to accolades, some players really kind of hang their
hat on those things. You know. Me myself personally, I
feel like you're lucky if you do, and damn if
you don't. Sometimes, but to get a to get recognized

(02:32):
for something you've done off the field, been not de
leave for how many years now? Ten eleven years? It was,
it was, it was. It was a big time for Gary.
So appreciation mister Clark. You know, hey, folks, that's super cool.
And I'm sure school also be getting acknowledged with be
Mitched too. Yeah, I'm getting his flowers.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's awesome, man, I gave him.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Hell did you really just are funny to like, you know,
with like when fletching you, it's like very like back
and forth. I feel like with when b mitches there,
it's like your dad's there a little you know what
I'm saying, not a bad way, but like you just
talked to him different than you talk about it's probably
out of respect.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And that's why I love this franchise.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Man.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
It ain't nothing like to pass And now in the future,
just buying them together. I think this team does a
great job that we have some great ogs and now
gets we considered ogs, so you know, it's great to
be a part of and.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's cool and I think, you know, in addition to
having great kind of history with the you know, the organization,
there's also great fans and you know, like we got
some good news for fans. We got a guy Scott Hartley.
He won He's from England. He won an International Fan
of the Year and the the Washington Commanders are going
to send him out to the twenty twenty five NFL
Draft in Green Bay, Green He's been a Commanders fan

(03:45):
since twenty twelve with Robert Griffin the third Yeah, I
was on that team.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
He knows you yeah, which is he's one of very
few people who knows me eight two.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
And he's also got a UK based podcast it's called
One Point Safety where he talks all things Commanders. And
he's been to the last three home opening games for
the Washington managed So really cool to see the I
think the sport of football growing, see this fan base growing,
and it's nice to have guys like Scott Hartley, you know,
supporting the organization.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
I wonder how how English responds to his podcast because
when they say football in England.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
American football, they have to say American football.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
But I just wonder how many people in London and
England gravity gravitate towards his podcast because it is American sport.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
What It's crazy because I remember when I was over
there a couple of years ago in Germany, I had
just discovered or just found out you can say that
they had American football up there. They was playing actual football,
they had teams up there, so I'm like, it's professional too.
So I saw a couple of guys. I'm like, he
say play football. Immediately thought he was talking about soccer. Yeah,
It's like no, no, you need to come to a game.

(04:49):
So I'm like, like with pads yeah, And they showed
me film bro. I was blowing out my mind. So
I'm pretty sure they have more to talk about just
our football. But that was that was the first time
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And so when I was in Atlanta, my roommate was
from the UK played rugby, is trying to make it
in the NFL, and so I met a lot of
his buddies and a lot of them play football in
the UK football, you know, and it's it's just interesting.
They all got normal jobs, you know, but they come
out on the weekends.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
But this is how they probably look at us when.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Yeah, but it's almore like soccer because we kind of
behind everybody else in soccer and we probably won't win
in soccer until soccer moves.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Like the one thing about soccer I can.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Say it's a relative residential sport like.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Soccer is soccer is played in these suburbs.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I mean soccer to me, soccer, soccer, basketball, even like
rugby to a certain extent, are like super low cost sports.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
All you need is a ball in a field, ball
in a court. And so I do think they do well.
Like you know, like.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Where there's where there's grass, people go play soccer like,
but we.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Play it in the in the suburbs. It's a rich
suburb of sports.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
See.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I don't know if I agree with that, because you know,
I think so Like so for example, like I met
my son's rugby practicelas night, right and I walk out
there and there's a bunch of dudes that brought a ball.
They're not in the league shirts and skins played soccer
for two hours.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But as a guy that's from low income area, most
teams are formed in those areas, like the digital the
rich areas have.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Soccer, but think about it, community, you got to the gate.
So those communities, they kind of gravitate to those areas
because they know the parents want something for their kids
to do. See, you go to the hood. We came
out of soccer at playing soccer ball. It's basketball, You're.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Not it's going to be tra But what I'm saying,
even in those like even like like so I grew
up not in a bad area, but like you go
to the public park and there is football practice, but
then there's like I also grew up in an area everywhere, Yeah,
but whatever I grew up with, Like there was a
large Hispanic population and they'd be out there kicking the ball.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So it's it's one of those things where it's like
I feel like, if there's grass, you can do it.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
I feel like until the like think about it. In
South America, soccer is very popular. Mexico, soccer is very popular.
Where they're playing it in the low income area, it's
like we played, but it's also part of their coach
the culture thing to the.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Colture culture thing. And then when it comes to just
if you want to, I guess you want to section
it off when it comes to like hood neighborhood while
you're gonna see it. When we grew up, we saw
more in those those communities that had gated areas, gated
community and where to where the money went up a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
You know, it's a little more middle class. And that's
why now we'll finally that's why I enjoyed hockey. They
break their head in hockey. And then it was like
the four countries against each other. America showed that we
can play hockey now because we done got to the
point where Connor McDavid and the rest of these guys, well,
we can play hockey at.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
A high level.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Soccer worldly we're still behind everybody because we get out behind.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
This is like a conversation like we're kind of off track.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Your no, we just broken left. But like you know,
hockey kind of they get you. They get you in
earlier you kind of stayed with right. Obviously, your Minnesota
is your Michigan's, like they play really high level hockey.
And then but with soccer, like if you're playing a
field sport like Tennessee and like you're playing football, you're
running track, like you're doing different Like we prioritize different
things here in the United States, And honestly, like a
lot of the basketball players I think would be great

(08:15):
soccer players, but yeah, that's a bigger priority. There's more
money in those sports here, so.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
You don't get to see him as more early ricognition.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
All right, that's enough of us kind of talking about
sports and development and different nations and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
But congratulations to Scott Hartley.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
And then in addition to having the best fans and
having you know, the number one international fan in Scott,
there's also some other news coming on and we got
Deebo Samuels signings and I got we got to preface this.
According to Adam Schefner, the Washington Commanders have agreed to
terms to trade for Deebo Samuels, and so Washington receives
Deebo Samuels. According to Adam Scheffner, San Franciscover receives a

(08:53):
fifth round pick. All of these trade detailed details are
according to Adam Scheffner, still needs to be finalized. He
still needs to get his physical, So I just want
to make sure that's very clear.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
So Washington as of right now is taking the remainder
of Deebo Samuel's contract and paying his full seventeen point
five to five million in salary for the twenty twenty
five seasons. So basically, Deebo Samuel four a fifth round
pick and we're getting the salary too. And so people
say that seems a little bit low Ford Deebo Samuel,
like where's the value? But you got to understand that
you're also getting the salary. And again this is according down.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
The show, and they're eating thirty million. Also is dead cap,
I mean next year.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
That So it's one of those situations where I thought
San Francisco found theirself in a situation where I got
a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I got to pay hundreds of million dollars.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
We have to shave some fat here, Like, I don't
think they wanted to just let Debo go for a
fifth round. I think their hand was forced in this
situation because of the people that got to pay. You
got to realize still paying Trent william money, still got
Christian McCaffrey back there making money both so yeah, come on,
you're about to lose Drake Greenlaw. Like the ward at

(09:59):
the cornerback was interesting. They're in a situation where they
had no other choice but to do this.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I think too, it also balls down to, uh, that's
the price you pay when you want those teams to
have a bunch of superstars, you know. I mean Debo
was considered a superstars and you know when that cap
is to the point of where is that we have
to win now? And they had their wind, the wind
it was with all those guys. We didn't have to
worry about their money, and now you have to worry
about it. So not like you said, shaving fat. They

(10:24):
definitely got to you know, it's like you're going to Shima.
You know, they come down there and have all that meats.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I keep call it bring Bring.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Shave a little bit off and was you know, at
their disposal. But I'm happy because now you get a guy,
and you so we did last year with those one
year guys. You get a guy basically come in here
and say, hey, something, what you got for one year?
You don't cost that much.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I love to have you yeah, and again like seventeen
point five million. I know that sounds like a ton
of money, but it's really like not not in the
receiver where the twentieth highest paid receiver, and you know,
like there's things Adam Peters could do to restructure that. Again,
we don't know what he's gonna do, but just outside
looking in, like you know, you could say, hey, we
could sign an extension, we could reaccate.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Just went up.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
So it's just so many things working in Like it's
a to me, a win win deal because if you
look at how we uh the plays we did for
our number tools with Noah Brown, the Yummy Brown.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
It was the quick screen game. It was it was
literally like letting him get yet yards.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
But this is what this guy masures in he made
he's a Swish army night and a defensive player.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
When he comes on the field. We have to alert it.
De boys on the field, we alert that.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
To each other.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Now that's taking attention from Terry like what he's gonna do,
Like people going to say, I want to see his
stats at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Sometime, it's just not about that.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
It's about what do you bring to an offense and
how dynamic do you make an offense? Now he gives
us a player. Put the ball in my hand and
watch me go eat this jack up.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
I mean, he's one of those guys that you remember
at one point in the last year's season where we
was missing Austin Eckler, like having a debo there. He
can take it on whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
He can be that guy that you.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Can just find a way to get the ball in
his hand. Yeah, like he just he has something in
him rather you know, scratch the you know what else
position you want to label the mask and just say
he's a football player. He's a guy that he's dominant
when he has the ball in his hand. He's a dog.
You know, these guys love dogs, and that's what he's
made of. He's made of. He's one of those guys
to go out there and just get the job done.
So I'm happy with it because I understand what it's about.

(12:29):
When you have a team, you have a nucleus of
guys that's you know, moving to the same beat, you
know what I mean, you don't need to have necessarily
that's one on one this guy not just have players
that's going to go out there and be productive.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah, and I think.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
It kind of you're kind of maybe getting out like
what Debo does well. And when I look at Debo
when I watched the film, I'm back and watch all
of his targets from last year and some of his
targets from twenty twenty three, Like he is excellent, excellent
after the catch, like he's excellent. Like with the ball
in his hand, he looks like a running back, right, Yeah,
he is. He's got great contact balance, he can make
people miss. He understands how to attack and break angles.

(13:03):
He's a violent, physical, competitive runner with the ball in
his hands.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
And so that's what he does well.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And I think, like when you think about the Commander's
offense and what we did well this year, we run
a lot of quick game, a lot of bubbles screens,
run a lot of RPOs, and so think about if
you can make that element of your offense twenty five
percent more effective. Get him a touch and instead of
going for five yards he breaks the tackling, it goes
for fifteen.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
You get a first down, right, And I think about
again this offense.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Last year we were thirtieth at explosive place, and so
we were really efficient. We go on these you know,
fifteen play. Yeah, that's hard living, man, Statistically, that's hard living.
That's hard to make it. But when you bring a
guy in like Deebo Samuel, like he manufactures explosive places.
And so I look at what he did in twenty
twenty three, he had twenty nine explosive plays to give
you an idea. So Diami had fourteen last year. Right,

(13:53):
who's the other guy? Oz had nine?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
So he's just by himself superseding that number. And it's
not like he's running deep digs.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
He can do that stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
But the thing where he really excels is like, get
him a ball on a stick on a five yard out,
get him ball on the screen, and he's gonna take
that thing to that.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
And he's a hell of a blocker when it comes
to you know, run game all that stuff. You got
a guy that's gonna go out there and I guess
they put that right there over somebody you have no
problem with doing it. So like win when I'm down
with you.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And then think about this.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Anytime he does the jet motion and let's just say
we're doing the jet motion and we running a r
P O, he has just took three four eyes with him,
Like so people.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Don't understand what he brings to the table without the ball.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah, yes, he's He's going to be one of those
guys that, like I say, as a defense, we have
to come for we have to check with me when
he comes in the game. And we also when he moves,
we got to look, we have to pay attention when
he moves. And when he moves, you just open up
a whole wonderful Terry mcnayan, You just open up a
whole lane.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
For me Rob to go down.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Heel, like, here's a fake on his outfite is more theoretically,
it is more than yours, is more than yek is
more than our licks presence.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think like that's something we're obviously
really excited to see. And the other thing I'm really
excited for, and I think it's important to point this out,
is I think Cliff, if he was going anywhere, I
don't know if I'd be that stoked about it, But
I think Cliff really understands how to use skill set
like I think you understand like when you look at Zach,
he knows exactly what Zach is. He knows exactly what
Austin is he knows how to use the utilized terry,
Like look what he did again, it's the whole offensive staff.

(15:33):
So I'm going to use Cliff's name here, but it's
the quarterback coach, Yeling. Everyone's a part of it. Yeah,
but he understood how to maximize Jane as well. So
he's the guy that I think understands to what Fred's
talking about, how to use the gravity that Debo provides,
how to use the blocking he brings, how to use
the ability for him to create after the catch and
find easy ways to get him touches. And I think
about some of those screens he ran last year and

(15:53):
watching him again in twenty twenty three, like he's taking
some most of the house and if you can get
him healthy, which I think leads us into the next question.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So all of these things are not positives I think
for the Washington commanders. Like the price tag is I
think a lot of got a lot of people spook.
But when you look at the numbers, it's kind of
you know, according to Adam Schefter, the numbers that he's reporting,
it feels like something that we can tolerate, right, And
it feels like a very competitive number of receivers, and
if he brings the value out, we think it's going
to be worth the worth the money. However, why is

(16:22):
San Francisco moving on from Deebo Samuels.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Financially they have no other choice.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
They are they are to me, and I don't I
don't think no San Francisco fan Fields is way to me.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
They missed the Windo like they want.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
That's an interesting conversation to me.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
They missed a window and now they have to pay
the piper. And now, when I say pay the piper,
you have a quarterback that has been making a million,
maybe a million, two million dollars a year. You have
to Now he goes from one million to forty I'm
a forty millions for it per year.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm really curious to say how much they out to
pay him. But point like they lost the rookie contract.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
They lost the wikie contract, plus they played brandan I
you and I felt like they were. They felt like
they was forced because they felt like we was in
that window. So we had to pay him, and now
here they trying to trade him also paying him a
year ago. And then you got to realize Trent probably
is the highest paid tackle in the league per year.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Then you also have Fred Warner that's over there. You
have ward that you have to pay. You had the
funger that you have to pay.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
You got guys that you if you want to keep
this team together, you had to lose some players. And
I think Debo was on their list of Okay, we
just drafted our receiver first round.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
We just paid Brandon.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
I you, he's expendable, Litz let him go, and he
has a high cap number, like we're forced to do this.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
So I think that's great background, and I think the
thing that comes I can hear fans through the through
the cameras asking this question, why is he on the
cut list? I think that's that's where I think we
had a good conversation about this earlier in Tan Understanding
who the player is. I think it's important for this conversation.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
But I think too, if you don't want to sit
here and get too much in detail with just what
last year was about, because last year was just a
bad year for the.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Whole team two team, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (18:12):
If you think about going forward, Okay, this guy's gonna
be up again. Are we willing to pay him? Again,
or do we need to get something for him? You
can't pay them if you think, it's just smart for
them to go out there and say, let's see if
we can get some value for this player. You know,
you know, we don't know what this year is going
to be about, so we don't know if his value
going to be up for a four or four a
third or fifth round. So they went out there and saying,

(18:34):
you know what, let's turn this this this asset into
another asset, into something that we can bring in and
maybe have more years with before I have to worry
about giving them big money. So misides all the other
stuff that you just mentioned. That's where I'm looking at.
I'm looking at more so saying yes, he's a he's
a talent, but do I want to hold on it
for one more year? And now I'm a risk either
getting something for him or have to pay him.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I can't took a receiver in the first round and
you just paid another receiver.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
You can't afford to pay him again. Like there's just
too much money in one room right there. So, like
I said, it was just one of those things where
he was the odd man out. And I don't think
they finished trading guy. I just think he's the beginning
of something that they had to do.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, so I think also like both great points, but
I understanding like what the film says about him, right,
and is what his recent history says about him. And
so obviously, like, well, I speak for everyone, We're excited
he's going to be here, Morty Adam schefferd. We're excited
he's going to be a part of the Washington Commanders
because of what we just talked about, how he raises
the floor.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Of this offense.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
He's an upgrade in their room, right, And so.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I will say he has a little bit of an
injury history because he plays so hard.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I've been saying he plays so reckless.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
He's a bowling ball with pins coming out of It's
like he plays that level. Now I want to see
because all us veterans, when we get to a certain point,
we have to try to reinvent ourselves. And he go,
the funny thing about it, we make it to the
league in the best shape our life because we leave
in their college years.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
That's a really interesting thing to talk about for people
who aren't in the NFL, Like you are fit coming
out of college.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
But when we come out of college, we are we
are the best we ever go to tip top shape,
and then for the rest of our career we have
to lose weight the longer we stay in the league,
like and people won't think about that like that, Like
I had to gain weight. I was one of the
few people that had to gain weight as I went,
But then when I got to the year six seven, like,

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I need to lose weight. So I hope he get
to the point where you're like, all right, let me
slim down so I can so I can get back in.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
It in the pocket to his offense. Normally, guys like
a debo that already have that that that kind of
compact structure, or if you get hurt or something bothering,
you can't gain weight.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, with me, it happens to me.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
In two thousand and going into twenty ten that off
season when I had that that third knee surgery. Yeah,
I couldn't run. I couldn't do it. So I set
back all those I saw me eat myself until like
and I.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Was trying my hardest.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
I was too ten that one time.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
What is your only playoff one ninety about fifteen pounds yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
So you got to think that twenty ten season, I
didn't have no OTAs, I didn't do anything, but you
got no train, say training, and I still went out
there heavy as I ever had been and went for
a thousand yards. So it hurt.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Did you feel sluggish?

Speaker 4 (21:26):
No doubt. I mean I was exhausted, you see. And
the only reason why it didn't affect me, you know,
far as mentally, is because I knew I had a
job to do, and trust me, I was praying, please
something happened where I can lose its weight.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, but it's just it's hard now it's on you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
And even much older you in your thirties, Yeah, you
say to yourself, like, damn, what I gotta do. So
I gotta drastically cut something. And as a player, you're
so routine and what you intake. Yeah, during the season
off season, I was just on my routine, doing the
same thing I had done. But for so many years
I never had that break. I didn't, you know, lose
the weight. So I look at DBO as one of

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those guys that if he's not where he can just practice,
practice and play without having to sit back and say
I gotta, I gotta basically you know, hill up. Yeah,
that's where it hurts at for guys like that. And
don't get me wrong, trust me also with a guy
like Debo, because I went through that, he's gonna be
determined to go out here and show everybody because you
just traded, don't don't don't don't, don't, don't bank on

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what you saw last year. He judged me off of that.
Every year is the new year for years and we
have our ups and downs. We only human too, And
I'm pretty sure whatever was what he was dealing with,
you know, mentally physically, this year is going to be
a refreshing year. Knowing that he have a quarterback like
James on the team like this, I'm looking for Debo
to come in here, slim and trimming, ready to go.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
And because he's a guy that's not known for his
route running, I am very eager to see him play
with a quarterback that makes plays outside of destructure because
when like I realize his where he just lived from,
it's all scrupture, like carry on time, You're gonna do

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this play on time will Well. Jane does a great
job of playing all schedule, like giving you a chance
to run a second in the third round, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Eager to see how Debo plays ended.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, And I think that's that's a great point because
when you watch, I think brock Perty's had a really
good year last year. He's he's a good player, you know.
But one thing I will say is I think Jade
Daniels is tremendously accurate. That's what we talked about a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
And one of the things about Debo because he's not
the most refined route runner. You know, he's like this
is gonna tell like a knock, but he kind of
runs routes like a running back a little bit like
he's just he's just a big, kind of explosive guy,
not super nuanced. But what I will say is there's
opportunities like on like little slants and stuff where if
you put that ball right.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
In front of him, oh nobody's catching, He's going to
score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
And I think about what Jayden does and how and again,
how accurate, how precise he's with the ball, how on
time he is his release, and how that's going to
elevate the skill set. And so I think this is
again I got to just give you know, Adam Peters
his flower. He doesn't ney flowers for me, but I
always like to talk about him like understanding the player,
understanding what he does well, Deebo, I'm talking about and
understanding how he fits here. And what I'm saying is like,

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think about when you get to a more accurate passer
in this offense that creates space so well, that seems
like just a devastating combination for the league to deal with,
and also just an upgrade for Jayden. And so again,
like there are some things that people are a little
bit concerned about the other one that people have asked
me about, So I'm going to bring it up on here.
He's as like he slapped a long snapper last year

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or whatever he did.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know, that's passion. But I'll tell you this, I
slapped a long snap.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Kyle Shanahan has said multiple times he's one of his
favorite players ever. And having played with Kyle, like Teddy,
you know what I'm talking about. There's a type of competitiveness, yes,
that he loves And if and if he says that
about Debo, I really don't care. I don't care about
because that passion, that's the dog.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
That dog mentality is going to be good for this offense,
and good.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Because he don't put out a book on the side.
But you're right, let's get Peter's prop because this is
what I want to say. If you'd have told me
at the beginning of the year we was gonna get
we would go give up a full for Marshall Lattimore
and a feel for Deebo Samuels out of sit You lie,
you Yeah, because not because we wouldn't give it up,

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because they wouldn't accept it. You know, you see what
I'm saying. So I want to get him his problem
because you've you've added these two players to this roster,
one on offense, one on defense, when you know it
ain't no guarantee that a fourth in a fifth round
to go even make the team, let alone be a
start on the team.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Hey, I gotta get your problems right now. That's intriguing himself.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
So, I mean obviously works. They're They're like with any
anytime there's a trade, there's always questions about the guy
coming in and what the value is.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
I think this is a really good fit.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, And the thing I want to just talk we
talked about what devo means for Jayden, but I also
think it's important to talk about what DEVO means for Cliff,
you know, and like, do you guys have any thoughts
on because to me, I just look at it and
I'm like, this is a perfect player for c offense.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yees, because when he moves, where's he moving? Where's he
gonna end up in?

Speaker 5 (26:05):
This guy has the ability to start by the sideline
beginning of the snap of the ball and end up
at tailback. He could end up at the slot receiver.
He can end up running across the formation or playing
that tight end, that type that tight end.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I mean, you gotta look at it, man, It's just
adding add more value to your offense. You adding a
weapon versus you know, like he don't have to necessarily
go out there and be a number one. You have
number ones all around, you know, I mean you have
a terryogic like people up get caught up in the
you know, oh is he number one? And number two
or three cares He's a dynamic player. That's how all

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that matters to me. We get in this world with
comparing and you know, basically, you know, measuring guys against
each other for what what does he bring to this team.
He's another weapon that if you don't check him, he
gonna check you.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
And he's a weapon that's very different, right he has
he's very different when like it's a defensive player. Like
if you tell me this, they got a number one receiver,
we can we can get the Pilsil in paper and
we can figure out a way to stop at number one.
But if you got a lot of dudes, we can't.
We got to play straight up, we got it d

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like when you got dudes and make it hard as
well us to stop.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, I'm really glad you brought that up, Towner, because
it's like Terry, is this excellent like vertical pass catcher, posts,
goes deep comebacks, double move high crosses like he's good.
Like that's like your true kind of receive skill set.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Then you got to look at Zach and his ability
to win underneath and do some stuff and you say like, man,
like those guys can create space for Debo underneath to maximize.
And I think the one thing that if I'm Cliff
like thinking about like I got excited, you know, it's
just making sure you don't you don't force touches to people.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
You know what I'm saying, you'll.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Get a good job of it.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
You know what I'm saying, great jobat So I think
he's fully capable of doing that. But I think there's
this temptation to be like, oh, we got this new thing.
So if there's one, it's only right, yeah, yeah, the
one thing.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Let's make it come on.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Christmas when you open up that new Tah, you know
you want to play with some of us opening the
way before Christmas.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Put a little hold in there. Listen, sometime you do.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
But I think he wants when he does have a
tear mclawin, he won't be forced to do it. I
think it just it adds to his plate and say,
you know what, now I'm versative enough to not have
to do it on third and seven.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I don't have to throw past the sticks. I can
throw this guy for your.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Pass it he can break the tall I was just
thinking about, like some of those looks where they get
those double chip looks, and they should put the guy
in the flat and imagine giving him that ball with
fifteen yards of running room, Like what.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
About the rub up route, the crossing route, Like I
could just see him catching one, right, now and turning
up the field and just looking at a dB right
in the.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Face like Coop it the Jean. I can't wait to
see you because you know he has this thing with Philidh.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Yeah, so it's perfect way to bring up Philadelphia Eagle
right in the building. It's right in and he has
this mistake to him. It's a mistake to him of
fast and physical and I loved it.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
And he's not a J. Brown, but he has a
a J. Brown effect.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
No, I think I'm excited. And again this is all
reported by Adam Scheffer. We're kind of talking. It's not
finalized till the trade comes through, but man really excited
about it. And I think that that leads us kind
of really nicely to our next talking point, which is
does this change your draft strategy? Because right now, again
because this has not been finalized yet, the only two
receivers are Luke McCaffrey and Terry McLaurin on the roster currently,

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and so obviously you.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Can kind of clump Debo in there.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
But if you're if you're putting your GM hats on,
and again we were, we're going to defer to Adam Peters.
He's going to make great decisions here. But at this point,
what what do you think about the need to bring another.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
It's so much talent out I'm still going to give
me a young guy you have, you have the capital
ford and you don't have to necessarily pick a guy up.
You can go out there and find a very capable
game change of playmaker in this draft and wide receiver
in the later rounds. And I've seen a lot of them.
We saw this comebine that just passed this weekend. It's
it's some guys out there that can really play this game,

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that can run routes. And you know what I liked
about this, this comebine watching these guys in the combine.
You remember at one point receivers. That's that just talk about.
Since we talked about receivers. You had to be a
certain height, you had to have you to look like
a receiver. That's no longer here, no more. This this
today's offense in the NFL. It's like college. We want fast, twitchy,

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quick guys that can catch the ball and get missing.
So I'm still picking a guy in the draft. It
receives us stability to to draft somebody with a high
ceiling that's just not there yet. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
It gives it the ability to dray up a project,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, this is the only one to point out too.
So there's only two guys on the roster. Three if
you can't do But obviously that's still pending. But like
I'm trying to remember, you usually you play a season
with six, you probably come into camp with about nine.
So they have a lot of people that need to
fill this out. So they're going to bring in some
free agents.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Right, plus my resass on my own free agency, like
you just don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
And the other thing is, I don't think this precludes you,
depending how the rest of free agency goes to say,
like let's say, for example, like Golden from Texas for
whatever reason, is at twenty nine and I love him,
and or Luther Burton and I love him, or insert
your the receiver you love at twenty nine. If you
love a receiver and he's there at twenty eight game,
I don't think this precludes you from doing that. No, no,
take it again. I think if you're looking at resources,

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you say, oh, we can go a different way because
we've got.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
More talent here.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
But I think if what you want to do is
kind of short up the roster with free agency, with
trades in this part of the season, and then at
twenty nine or wherever we're picking, be like, hey, this
is a guy that is a commander.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
How we compete.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
I want to just give us the ability to take
best player available. I hope. So I think it does.
I think so.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
I think it does because the one thing I think
the great teams do, they're not a prisoner of need.
Like the one thing I can say about Philadelphia, they
don't choose four or five guys from Georgia because they
have a prisoner that need. I just drafted Jordan Davids
last year, but I'm coming back and drafting card.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I'm drafting dressing best players available, and I think.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
That's his mindset.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
So I think when it comes to the twenty ninth pick,
whoever's there, we're gonna take the best player available.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
And so I do think it kind of again, like
everyone says, all this is gonna we don't need a
draft the receiver.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
If you do a good job in free agency and
you fill that thing out, if you like a player.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Just take that player player.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I think that's something I'm really excited to see and
why this time of the year is so fun because
it's like there's no right way to build a team,
but you build it with a good football players.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
But it's also who are we building the team to beat?

Speaker 5 (33:00):
We're being in this team to beat an individual rivalry,
Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
So you know it is you know, it's admitted to
the madness if you know what I means.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, And I think that leads us really nicely into
risk it for the biscuit.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Biscuit?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Are we over evaluating the coming I think we're talking
about prospects and all this stuff like this is a
good time to talk through some of this stuff. And
it's presented by Marsha McLennan agency, your partner and risk
and People's strategies. So every time the combine comes out,
we have our guys that we like, guys that we love,
and the combine really bumps people up, bunch people down.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Are we how do you really feel about to come back?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Because I feel like.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
It's I'm more of a film guy.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I want to see you great football and if you
just happen to run a full eight.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
I don't give a damn. I'm just one of them people.
I like football players, and I learned more from a film.
They're not do from you testing.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
God, that just means guys are not all I mean,
we all not great testers, you know what I mean.
Like we found that out in school. Some guys going
to be you know, straight at students, but test, you
know what I mean. And so that's how I've always
looked the combine. Now it's a I guess you can
say this is a great segment for a risk of
the you know, risk for the business. Yeah, think about it.

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If you can test well, yeah, kudos to you. Yeah.
If you a guy that's not going to test well,
but you know you're a hell of a football player, yeah,
the kudos.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
To you too.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Now, I hope with that being done or said that
it doesn't lower your status. But hopefully when you got
these guys who are experts in what their eyes see,
they should know good football player when they see one,
you know what I mean. It shouldn't be that, oh
it's forty wasn't fast enough for me. So I don't know,
and you see that we see it all the time.
So but the last few years, I have seen certain

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signs of guys that just didn't run well. Yeah, and
at one point the forty was the nd all be off.
You didn't run. If you didn't run that forty, well,
it was. It was devastating to your status.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
We all know how it feels to put our hand
on that line and be like my dream rely on
what I do in this next four point when you better.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
Go blink like I did, put my hand down there.
I ain't think about nothing, but I.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Don't think people understand that like I did all of
this good football playing, but now it comes down to
this four point.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Is what I just gave you four years and now
some of these guys five and six years. If I
just gave you all these years of film, you can
you can. That's why I love the fact that Marvin
Harrison Jr. Didn't do anything. He just showed. He set
the ball, like, look, man, I just put all this
film out there, go watch me, you know, and and
if you can't get none of that, then you're not

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a good.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
I'm gonna tell you a player that comes to mind
when they when I'm like his film and his workouts
don't match, I'm going with the film Peter Warrick. I
have I watched Peter Ward dominate college football for years.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Came out, did not run a good.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Forty, and I'm like, yeah, did he play well in
the league. Though he did play well, he had ye
what they tried to So this is the thing back then,
because this is going to show you how the league
has changed. Back then, they tried to force them into
being a number one outside receive.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
You can't make some money with him inside.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
So let me say this, So I agree with Fred,
like ninety percent of your evaluation to be from film, right,
But there are thresholds for positions that are irrelevant. So
if you're a receiver, that's supposed to like so Kyle
no ta jhoneson fifty four, He's not a great example
because his GPS numbers are really good. But yeah, like
so like there are other things that support that. But

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like Bryant from Illinois, the receiver, he's sixty three, he's
two hundred and ten pounds, he's awesome on film, Like
he is a dog competitor.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
On film. You ran a four to six five, which
is like a tight end time.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
So like I know that his ceiling because he's vertical
speed isn't there, Like you could be the best football
player ever, but physically you can't compete with these with
the velocities that we're going to be dealing with here,
with the speeds and the accelerations, right and again, so
now I'm like, instead of him being a third round pick,
I still like him, but there's more risk.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
There's more risk.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I'll probably take him in the fifth round because I
like the film that much, but I'm gonna move other
people up who again fit those physical measureables right a
little bit better. And I'm not saying it's the end
all be out because the film is still good, right,
but you got to make sure that we're showing out
and we meet those And so then he ran a
four to six nine or four or whatever he ran,
but his jumps weren't good.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
So all the explosive stuff wasn't there with there.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So I think that's where you kind of use that
right With the offensive line, it shows up all the time,
Like in the NFL right now, there's only five offensive tackles,
five offensive tackles in the last ten years who've played
offensive line with thirty two inch arms. So Will Campbell
measured at thirty two.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And a half.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
So is he going aa have to move to goal?
Is you gonna have to move to guard? So there's
a reason those thresholders are there. And you talk to
people with the combine and no one has one bad
word to say about Will Campbell.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
They love him. He's a great pall player, he's a
great leader.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
But he's going to be a good pro.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's just is it going to be a tackle or
a guard? And then where do I value a guard?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Right?

Speaker 5 (38:08):
It's very Sam Cosmy, Yeah, I think that's exactly what
I would say too.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And Sam Cosby's an awesome I say it.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I think he's a pro Bowl guard. But like you said,
thirty two inches, that ain't long enough to make a
defense me and run.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
The hump, run the hump, and so again, like, even
though we all know he's going to be a good
football player, just the math doesn't support him playing tackle.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
And they dropped him Nicks, like you just say it.
The fim is there.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
His workout was good, Yeah, great workout, great.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
On field work was not there.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
And it's a difference between a tackle and the guard.
A tackle goes way higher.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Than a goal, I goes so just as a comparison
like armand Membu, the tackle from Missouri who was maybe
tackle guard. He's six four and a quarter, he's three
hundred and thirty two pounds, he has thirty three and
a half inch arms, and he ran a four nine
to forty.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, and he looked great on the field.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
So now there's talk coming out of any that he's
going to be the first offensive lineman taken. But it's
not because of the combine. That's that's a data point.
His film was good, but now they see the athlete,
they say, we feel better about this pick. So and
when so, like let's say he goes at seven and
Will Campbell goes at ten. They're really the same player.
It's just a different level of risk associated.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
With the players.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
That makes sense.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Yeah, yeah, because you're saying the measurements is there with win, Yeah,
and then measurements change the position of the other one.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah yeah, and so yeah, so I'm gonna take And
this is a weird thing about the NFL kind of
Then Tanna's point, tackles are more.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Valuable than guards.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yes, so if he's a true tackle, he's gonna go higher.
And then the guard who even though he's gonna be
a good he could be he could be Zach Martin.
Yeah right, that's right, because the value is not there.
So I think that's kind of what we're talking about.
And again, both gonna be good football players, like there's
no doubt in my mind. But again that's where the
combine comes in because it helps you meet these minimum
threshold numbers. Now, so let's talk about some guys that

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we thought maybe help themselves hurt themselves. You guys picked
some guys to research.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
So I start off with Sam Brown, Sam Brown Junior
from the yard from the U. I like anything to
do that thing, right, No, no, no, honestly I watched
I watched a lot of them this year because you know,
I was watching my team and when we got him
over from Houston, the one thing that I watched any
and every time he got a chance to have one

(40:24):
on one coverage, he won, you know. And you know
when you have a guy that can win, and then
he has the height, he has the wingspin, the measurement,
and then you go out there and see him compete
and and and probably one of the top well I
think they said he was with top ten or when
it came to times as a wide receiver and all
that stuff, all the different other things. He tested that
vertical you name it broad.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, so he was six to two and a quarter,
big guy, two hundred pounds, thirty one and five thirty. Yeah,
he ran four. He had a forty vertical. He didn't
do the broad but like, that's a good worktok on
the right on the d I love that we did this, Tanner,
because I went. I went to the combine. I watched everybody,

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but every year somebody just kind of slips through that
I don't notice.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I didn't know that he jumped forty one inches.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, Like that's elite exposing measurement.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
When I go back and watch this film, I'm like,
dude looks exactly like Noah Brown to me, Like they
look very similar.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Me, you're right.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
This one came to my mind when y'all started to
throw out.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
The mid round.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Damn, this is no sun No, no, I mean no.
He excelled man like, and it's not. It's crazy because
I didn't see the speed or see the gears throughout
the season. I just saw him winning, and I care
less about how fast it is. If you can separate.
That's that's how the battle right there, and that's what
you want. But when you see a guy go out
there with that size and running four to four, say less.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
And I think that was the thing when I went
back and watched this film. He's got a little route
running nuanced to him. I'm gonna push your vertical. I'm
gonna stem your outside shoulder and break across your face.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
And then I do have enough juice.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
He's kind of a long strider, long strider, and but
he walks off on people, you know, and so you're like.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
One thing about a loans crowder.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
You done got up on us into it is too
late and it's hard to kind of gauze you just speed.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Also, the thing that I saw about him doing it
throughout the season, you know how guys that have that
height have that wind wing spanding like to be real Touchyeah,
he's a guy that he can he can do either
or he can put his hands on you, run around.
He can beat you with his his savviness. And you know,
most guys that big don't know how to really double
up that much. You know what I mean? You say
you have a long stride, he was changing and doing

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things with his stems that you don't see from big guys.
So man, I just think, man, he's one of those
guys that impressed everybody.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
And I love the tenor brought that up because again
there's a guy that wasn't on any of my like
preseason lists, right but that's where that's the value of
the combine right there. This player like it makes you
go back and watch the film and say, man, actually,
this guy is pretty good.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Was it because of what I always say? Was his
name too regular?

Speaker 7 (42:49):
Because I know, like a media, when you have a
baby strap, you have the guts around you.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Jakobe George had a He's always been one of my favorite.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
So yeah, so do you show boys went out the
show their day? Man, we go hold it against shout that, y'all.
They won no bowl games and old.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Were going on the list.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
So now federal Gover's got three guys.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Listen, James Pierce Jr.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Talk to me about him. This is an interesting one
to me for a couple of reasons. So let's talk about.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
First of all, you know, when they say, you know, get.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Off the bus guys, he's an get off the bus guy.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
It looks good listen, you're talking about pass six four,
I mean sixty five and one fourth. I'm gonna put
the one four feet tall. That's a tall dude, but
he plays with the leverage of a six feet guy.
Like the way he turns the hump and runs the hump.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Dumb and knick guy.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Besides some off the field stuff he might be talking about,
this is the number one pick in this draft.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Like this guy right here. I watched him at Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
He's disruptive, he's and I always judge, go get us
like him on what do you do not with single
with doubles? He dominates double teams because if you used
to getting double team because you that dude. He's been
that dude his whole life. Now I told you he
was six five. Were talking about a four four seven.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Forty crazy and he's two hundred forty five.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Pounds, two hundred and forty four pounds.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
This is what I always tell people when I'm walking
across the screen to DC and they say it's five
seconds to get left to get across the street, and I.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
See so many people don't make it.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
The first thing he comes to my mind is for
these football doing this in four points something sick, and
they're doing forty yards, not just not across the street,
forty yards. I felt like this dominant and then he
went ten. He went ten to three on the bride jump.
This is the weird one though, the thirty one inch vertical.

(44:53):
That's it's almost my vertical, right, forget what I.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Don't need him jumping.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
I'm you know, the girl I want to rush in
the past, and maybe basketball was all I say is
when it comes to the measurables, But like this, the
measurables in the film's match.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
How many times do we see it? Don't match?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
But this is this is the whole point of the combine.
Is you saw it on film? Yeah, and he measures
that and he measures the test that way.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Well, guess what they talking about old board from Texas
A and m his measurements a very much, Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
But let me say, but he got four sex in
his whole career. I was one of the most impressive
workouts I've ever seen. So I saw him at the Combine, yeah,
and I saw him at the Senior Bowl. That dude,
I mean, does the film match though he got four
sex in his career?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Looks the part.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I don't care. So let me just say this one
bore sex and they have a test. Well, so let
me just say, let me say this about it.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
He looks good.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
So Shamark Shewart is the guy you're talking about Jack
saying them and he is. He's like, he's big, dude.
He's six y five, he was two sixty seven. He
had an eleven eighth broad job, get out of your mind,
forty one.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
He could jump from one side of weakness.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
He was incredible man, and like he got on the field,
he only did one drill and I was just like
this dude, So I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
He plays at A and M. He plays and he
plays four, I plays three technique, he plays nose. Yeah,
so he's.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Playing all spots on the offensive line and this dude's
defensive line. This dude's got a motor. Now he has
a really high pressure rate, but he doesn't finish the sacks.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
So what if I'm a coach, I'm.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
If I'm a coach, I can believe I can think
I'm gonna say we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Finish some of those sacks man, because he looks the part.
But again, James Pearce Junior you mentioned some of the
offield stuff. Twenty twenty three great year, twenty twenty four
bad year. But I do think this is a good
kind of Like he gets off the he gets off
the ball, He's got great get off, he gets the spot.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
He's a really good one.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Him him, I Chama, which one would you take it?
If you got both of them? I'm just I'm just
accent like the GM Logan pops. I'm taking Logan pops.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
You got to do it. The twenty ninth peak we got.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Both of us?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Is the rather the boat there, I'm sprinting, I'm getting
I'm getting Deebo. Sam was run this pick up as
fast as he can hand it in because it's smart.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Stewart for me. It is your steward for me.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Reshed you that much. I'm at the Senior Bowl. In
the one on ones, I was like, he looks like,
you know, like when you go to a high school game,
you haven't seen the kid and that dude, that dude's
going d one. That's how he looked with a bunch
of dudes who are going to the league. Yeah, you're
just like I want that guy.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
That was like that when he was watching them over
that stone.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, he walk over there. You're like, that's the dude.
And that's how I feel about it. Man, No, that
doesn't mean I don't like James fires Junior. I'm just
saying that physical profile.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Listen, that's why X your preference for my preference for you,
James F shooter guy.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
I just I have watched him terrorize the SEC.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
And again last year was a down year for m
It was.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Because he had a couple of injuries, a couple.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Of things go on, and they do rotate their defensive
defensive live.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
But I just seen him play high level football and Stewart.
I like Stewart. Like you said, he's a Lamborghini trip.
You see him, you want him.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
But I want to go with the guy that just
does it and continually does it because I've watched the
Baltimore Ravens they drafted. Uh, I don't want to Butcher
from pn State who had the physical profile and had
one two sacks in college.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Now he's and now he has no saxon No, yes, no,
he got like four sacks. Like, I can't ask you
to go do something you didn't do in college.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
That just like me saying I'm finna draft this wide
receiver because he running four to three.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
They like schmoop.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
How many touchdown did they have a college? I'm like two,
but he.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Runs the fourth three But so something is missing, so listen.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
So I'm glory ready brought that up because I think
Tanna's next guy, the receiver from Colorado.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Let's skip the receiver since I did one of them.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Okay, so yeah, well both this is true too. This
is a really for you guys watching it home. This
next one I think is super interesting. So Tanna, let's
hit it off, all right.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
I got Trayvon Henderson b a guy number thirty. He's
from from the Ohio state. Yeah, he's from the by Richmond.
What he weighed in at two.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh two bigger than I thought it would be?

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Arm arm wing span? What thirty and three fourths? Yeah, no,
my bad. Seventy six is arm length? Yeah, seventy six
and one eight wing span. He ran a four to four.
And we saw this guy play all season long talking
about home run hitter.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Nobody catch him.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I mean, so, so you're telling me now that when
we watch these guys run these four fourths, they're not
getting tested on the football field. So four four if
not fast. Yeah, they don't think so though. You know,
folks be like, man, he's ran a four fourth you
kidding me, I've turned down the trash.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So he ran a four to four three yeah, and
that's the electric time. Yeah, but they also give you
hand hand they give you the double can time. So
we get that because we're cool. We got cool information here.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah, and so easily he's going to run a four
to three at his product.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
But they had both both scouts yep, so it's very
rare that this happens. Both scouts had him at a
four three eight and.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
You're talking about four three eight hand handclock, Yeah, thirty
eight and a half thirty eight point five in vertical jump. Yeah,
so explosive. It's all outdoors compact. He's a guy. This
game has changed to the point to the running backs
now and we saw this last year. Yeah, you know

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they use a two back system. Yeah. He's a guy
that could come in third down and look and make
it have cancer Christmas, kiss your babies to sleep, tell
your wife you ain't coming back. This is the type
of things that this guy doing. He get the ball
awaits gill.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
I always give receivers and running backs a tenth of
a second when they running away from people, just like
I always give DB's a tenth of a second added
today forty when they chase.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Chasing somebody, like because the forty much faster with the
ball in your hand, thank you.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah, so I always get much faster. And this is
what this guy is. I hate to say it.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yeah, he's a souped up version of Echoer like to
be honest, bigger, might be a little bigger, might have
a little more height on him. I guess you say, well, no,
he's five teen. Yeah, yeah, Well the reason why I
mentioned them, you know, we're talking about guys who can
probably have had, you know, the stock rolls. I don't
think his stock went that far up because he was
already one of those how they talked about running back.

(51:15):
But I just say that bingo, he put a stamp on.
He put a stamp on anything and everything you thought
he was. You saw him tests, and then when you
test like that, to combine, he still has a pro
day to go out there and shine. Like I say,
he might run those that four to three four three
at his pro day, but I think he showed. He
showed those scouts and everybody out there that look, you're
looking for a gap back to be a game changer.

(51:35):
You looking for that guy that could come in on
third down. Maybe you give him that toss, maybe you
give him that pass at the backfield. He saw that
all turn the film on. You saw that all year long,
but now you saw it up close in person when
it came time to test. Very explosive compact runner and
film manages the player. And the crazy thing that stood
out to me is you had about thirteen Because you

(51:58):
talked about these running backs like last week, Yeah, you
said it's about thirty on them that probably get drafted
clean up four four. What I'm telling you got all
those guys going out there and showing up, and you're
putting a stamp on yours. Man.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
You know, I'm just for context on that, Like only
nine dudes ran below for four last year, and then
the year prior of that is only seven.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
So like this is a explosive.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Fast Listen, I see the guys tracking because they fast.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
And my guy, my next guy.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Absolutely murdered the draft of come By we got. I'm
gonna tell you this very intelligent guy, but saying this dude,
last name.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It's gonna be you said first, and I'm gonna give
you my version.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Nick men worry Nick and Moory.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Wait to match it. Man, this dude showed up there
and pull a Derrek Gibson.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
See, people don't know the Gipp came out with me
had the same as Zack measurements didn't really.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yes, he did sixty three and one eighth two hundred
and twenty.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Pounds all right, seventy eight inch wing space, see that, dude?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
You see what these dude?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, and just so you know, wingspan to me is
a good way to see, like how big to do this?
Like it's not arm length is one thing, but like
how big your check? He's big big.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Listen to me, forty three eight at two hundred and
twenty pounds, forty three ten of what you jumped forty
forty four to forty five one?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Like you do forty four inches. So I so forty
two was the highest you can go. Yeah. I cleared
forty one bottom of my palm and they just told
me they gave me whatever. So I went forty one.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I was a jumper, Come on, man, that was one
hundred and seventy pound.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yeah, and you know it's so crazy too, because I
always bring this up and I don't want to get
on me, but it seems like anything that I've done
through my draft, you don't see it mentioned. Because I
did it that in Miami.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
They don't never give what's the problems when you're doing it?

Speaker 4 (53:59):
And when you do it now now now they dog on.
I mean they have everybody pro Day is live now
the top guy. But back in those days when we
did us, I rent the fastest forty on my draft,
I had the highest part.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
It was kind of like so it's like it was
kind of like myth. Yeah, it was like when we
ain't gonna mention this about Tenna. But it's just like
with the they like did he run it for one?
Did he want him for like?

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Like, so is this it's the myth of it And
when you do it at your school, but when you
do it at the come by, this is this is
this is loud they were.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
I think they were still pissed with us because we
was back then.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
It was were quarter inches wild Roger also in human
worries broad jump is crazy too.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, he went eleven six damn. So he literally liked that.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I mean, that's one of the craziest comment.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
He was dead.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So I just there was a statistic. Did they put
it on?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
They might have put on the TV broadcast, But he
was the third player in NFL history. Yeah over six
three to jump forty over forty inches for the inches.
Then went fur sixte.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
You want to talk about skyrocketing. Yeah, his field matches
the player.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah. Do you like his film?

Speaker 4 (55:07):
I like his field?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
So okay, let me say this, like you watch I
was watching the Clips game. No, it was the A
and M.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
It was the A and M game last night. I
was watching the last site and he moves around. He's
got great ball skills. Yeah, he's a good tackler, right, Yeah,
but I just want I know, he's a freak, like
you see him moving around, and I just want to, like,
my expectation for a guy like this is to be
violent to the football. You know, you don't feel like
he's bad like what I remember like watching Son Taylor,
I remember watching Cam Chancer.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I remember watching these big safeties that are coming to.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Jack you up, to demolish.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
He's not really that guy, you know what I'm saying.
He's he doesn't do that the same way to those
guys he's not.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
He will hit you, but he's not urgent.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Is it because today's game is just not as physical?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Maybe you know who I wanted to put on my
list and I forgot last night because I was going
to put four. What's the kid named from? I can't think.
I hate trying to remember somebody's name. He's a linebacker.
You like to play safety. He played at for college.
He was at USC and he transferred last year. He
played with a red and white team. He has some

(56:12):
someone you think of him? No, Utah was he You
might be Utah might be he won't humbn eight or
something like that. You like, but we have to talk
about violent. Yeah. Oh it was like looking at Frankie
Louis all over again.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, if you're everybody hit.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Was going the opposite way every time.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, I can always tell the power movee like, and
I'm not saying you need to play like that all
the time, but I want you urgently together.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
And so again the athleticision shows up on table. He
moves really well.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
He tracks the ball.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Better than you think.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
He really does track him out.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
But I just like, I'm like, I want to see
you be more violent. Yeah, yeah, sometimes you are like
you watch the DV from Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Hairston.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Yeah, he's a little dude, but he no, he's violent.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
His first step towards he wants to go get he's
going down here.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I feel like this dude, so I'll get there on it.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
I just I don't know. It's just certain schools I
don't trust sometime.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
And when it comes to Kentucky, you don't trust it.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Listen, I don't. I don't trust Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
I mean, sec guy, like I told him when I
was playing this for basketball, y'all got blue grays, not green.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I want to say, Fred, you're we're not. We're gonna
talking about thirty. Yeah, but those might have been the
best guy at the combine.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
I thought he, out of everybody, helped himself in to
come by. I think Jackson Dart helps himself too, our
quarterback from over Miss. But I thought he whatever he was,
he went twenty, he went twenty picks up.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
This was up all right, last, but not least. And
we're talking about guys who kind of either put a
stamp on their or their grade or kind of raising
my brows or Jimmy Horn, Jimmy Horn Junior from Colorado
didn't have that good of a season. I think something
happened to him in the middle of season where he
was hurt. He was hurt, he was missing for a while. Yeah,
But the thing that stood out to me five eight,
one eighth, one hundred and seventy four pounds. That's good

(57:59):
and that's that's coming in with a little weight on you.
And oh man, you're talking about forty time like, so
four to four has to be the new four to
three because all these guys that ran four to four
I ain't seen get touched off all these long Yeah,
you know what I mean. I saw this guy catch
shallow crosses and take it ninety. I saw him run over,
you know, a little deep over us and taking forty

(58:19):
to fifty yards and not not be touched. He ran
a four four six you said a hand time at
the four three nine thirty eight vertical.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
So the explosiveness.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Explosive, you know what I mean, ten and six broad, explosive,
and I gotta steel match. And like I said, when
he's in the open field and then nobody's catching him,
I can't wait to see what he does at his
pro day. I'm pretty sure he's going to shine. But
you know one of the things about their pro d.
Do they do it inside because.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Colorado is always cold up there, So no, no that
Colorado do it inside the outside.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Is he a slot to you? He's a That's a
new thing about this because way outside. I to say
to me, the game is wide open now when it
comes to how they do offenses. You know the offensive
structure far as the receiver position, you don't necessarily have
to be a slot. Just play football, spread open. It's
it's a spread offense. Now you have the same kind

(59:10):
of offense these guys running in college. They done brought
it over to the NFL. So I don't want to
just pigeonhole him as a slot guy. I think I
think he can excel in the slot. Yeah, but I
think he can play football. He can play receiver. I
saw him running routes on the outside. I saw him
get open on the inside. I mean inside. We have
to go back to our years when they had the
number one guy moving the inside, because you put a

(59:32):
lot of these guys down the inside. You know, you
can't put your two and three guys, two and three
best quarterback on some of these guys. When they got
number one potential they want to stay outside. Yeah, so
I don't put them. I don't picton hood him as
a slot.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Maybe Logan might have a difference when they see five
eight automatically say, but.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
I play football.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
It was funny because, like you know, you watch your
guys run, it was okay, you know for six, you know,
for six whatever, But then on the field, this dude
was get missing, was dealing like I'm saying, like the film,
but even on the field work at the combine, yeah,
he was one of the different sharpest round runners man.
And the stems, the quickness, the like you know, that
ability to throw your foot down, crazy hearty out cut

(01:00:10):
like so I actually wrote down multiple times like Jimmy
Horn in the field work, it is balling, And so
I think that stuff that Tenn is talking about, like
maybe you don't test well, but he's checking boxes like
he showed you. He's explosive. He might have had as
explosive as you thought. But like on the field you
see him moving, You're like, this is this is a
different cutter guy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
And I like a guy that him and Travis had
to go against each other every day at practice like
iron chopping and iron like I love when players had
to go against another dominant player at practice.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Also just being a dog man. You know he come
from Ah. I guess, let me say a background. You know,
his father was locked up and I remember him going
to speak for his father, you know, tell the judge basically,
you know, he would like to see his dad be
able to come see him. I don't know if it
was his senior day or what it was he was
acting for, but when you have that kind of upbringing
where you have a you have a you have a

(01:00:59):
fit that wasn't present. A president a part of that,
that journey, but he was always present here here. Yeah,
you see the difference in those kind of guys. Man,
so you're gonna battle test. You know, he's gonna come
you know, hungry, you know what I mean. And that's
what I like to see. I like to see the
hung grand guy. There's so many guys that kind of
come from that. You guess. You know I had the

(01:01:19):
background because my dad did it and my mom was
a hell of an athlete. So I come out here.
This is effortless to me. You get a guy that said, man,
it's upbringing wasn't sweet. You know, Prime talked about Prime
talked about being that far to figure to a lot
of those guys, and he was definitely present in this
kid's life and I could just see the hunger. And
he showed up at the combine. Like I said before,
you know, I can't wait to see what he dos Projay,

(01:01:40):
because I think he's going to excel a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
He's gonna be a fun you gotta watch for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Tell Us, I told you I don't really like football
players from Kentucky because of that blue gray, but you
know I love me a Arkansas raised something like certain
schools don't turn down players from the East school Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Is one of them, Landing Jackson.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Now, listen, everybody talked trash to him about a year
ago because he had the lidrid that he was hitting
the uh that was.

Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
Him coming out of high school. There was coming out
of high school, and they gave him hell. But what
he did to them dummies at the camp lit dummy,
you won't talk about Hew to date, the guy six
six two ndred and sixty four.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Pounds and he played at the cer ball two seventy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Five and listen to him, so he lost Wait before
the come up a big boy listen, this is.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
A big horse right here. He got one of those
looks like say he had that he had that ball head.
I was looking at him like, hey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Man, he looked like he was ball here since he
was three, telling.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
You right now, you know you ain't got lose.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
When you come out there. I mean, ball head, His
house a baby. This dude right here attitude like Coach
Gibbs used to say he's a core commander, but you
say the red. I mean, this guy looked like a
everything that coach Quinn say he liked in a football player.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
This house, chicks the box.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
I'm atted two air foot size, physicality, everything you need.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And then he tested crazy too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
And he tested crazy. I ain't even went through the numbers, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
So he ran a four to six eight and he
had a forty and a half forty and a half
its vertical and a ten nine broad.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Dude was a two hundred and sixty pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
And I'm dude, frank. So when I when I saw it,
when I saw it, when I saw this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
My heart fluttered a little bit because this guy plays
the game tenna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Like a absolute man. Yeah, like he's he's running through
your face.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Cosby Mex Cosby.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
He is Max Cosby junr Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
He's a little stiff. He's a little stiff for that
shows up in some of the movement stuff five ten
five thing. But I don't I really don't care. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
He plays hard and these are good athletic meserables. He's big,
and he is a violent son of a gun.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
And he disrupted and that's what you want from a
defensive blieman, and that's what he do. He got a
motor Like you can't teach a motor. I could teach
you technique. I can loosen him hips up for you,
but I can't teach a motor. He got gave moldor
this none stop. Sure, he just pushed hisself up hide.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Until one of one of my favorite players in the draft.
I kind of thought he was the second round player.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
But after testing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
I saw him after the first day of bag drills
and they was they was talking, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Mean he's I mean his film is great too, so
but a couple of a couple of like little housekeeping
notes here about the comments, So again, do you overvalue it? No,
because I think with all these guys, we the numbers
kind of support the film or they you know what
I mean. And so it's not like we're saying these
guys are going to jump up because they take their workouts.
Their film's good too. All right, A couple of little
house keeping notes here. Okay, So in the two thousand

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and one draft class, which is Fred and Santana's draft class, Yeah,
forty guys ran faster than Fred in his draft class,
and Tanna was the fastest guy. He ran a four
to three one.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
And that's what they gave me. They rounded it because hold,
so let me put that in most concepts. We're talking
about your forty guy. Let me put it in more
the context. So this is how it went down. I
told you god, I didn't run the combine. My first
forty at my pro day was four three five. My
second forty, they had me at four two six four
two eight, So they rounded me up to four to

(01:05:19):
three four three one, and I don't understand how you
round me up to that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
So by the end of the day I was very
similar to him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Okay, I got that much in there, so you gotta
go all the way down to forty. And then so
there's Cedric Hodge who was six four two forty four.
He ran a four four nine. You know the person
who was right ahead of him, who was someone who
was five eleven two one seventy two, He ran a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Four four eight.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
His name was Fred Smooth, move futball.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
I run a four four eight.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
I ran a four to four.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Oh, stop in fact check this man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
First of all, what I'm telling you he is People
looked at that oh and thought it was I'm telling
you that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Now they rounded it up, they run it up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
What did they say about that? First though?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
They showed him Jason Texans, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
Had to be behind this hatred. I knew this had
to be hatred. I guess I'll go through London forty
in my face too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Now, well did that show even though he ran thirty
eight yards?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Die, He'll let around there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
What did you running? It was a four three five?
He ran four three five.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
That's movement dog.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I think he was riding in the wheelchairs that way.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
Jeral Carroll was trying to get their first NFL into
the league.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
They did whatever they needed to do.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
He ran thirty eight yards. He was benching four waits, Like,
what would the school do that? They never had a
pro player do anything. They can't you you know what
I mean. So we had a dude, do you remember
this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
We had a quality control guy here in two thousand ten.
I don't want say his name because I want to
get him in trouble. He's like, he's like kind of famous.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Now, yeah, big guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
So he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Went to his college, took the tape measure, tailored out
a tenth of an inch for every inch, and the
tape measure they measured the forty forty was like five
to ten inches shorter because he tailored. But you couldn't
tell because he had tailored. I'm all out, Wow, I'm
lending in the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
I ain't gonna lie. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
When I first got him for my first weight in
no lie, I.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Was like, oh I am SKINNYA believe that I'm skinny.
I literally put two five pound weights in your in
my tights so I could be one eighty like you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I did it and got right up on it. Thing
turned around like herclee what he'd it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
I got right on it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
I'm going IY. So, hey, we've all did DVS. We've
all did DV.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Th dude, this is the last story. Then we gotta go.
I had a coach in college who told me that
you for weait And.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
He was really his wig in for the combine. He
played linebacker and he wanted to weigh. He really want
to weigh two forty, but it was like two twenty five.
You know, it was fifteen pounds. So it's like, so
what he did is he made like a jock that
like went in his butt and it was it was
fifteen pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
But yeah, so he was to sing the butt checks
together like walking around.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
It wasn't just to make the weight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Can you imagine that? I would be like, I'd be like,
hey man, I weigh to twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
No, listen, it's I felt because he got realized you
got guys getting on that thing dB one ninety five
and over there. Then I'm like I can't get over here.
It was I gotta do something. And I looked around
that weight room and see them five pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Hey, maybe put him in there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Your way is way more palatable, way more easy. Okay, anyway,
let's go do it for today's show. Please make sure
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and uh, and Jason said something hate. Fred didn't do
a very at the combine. I don't know what overt.

(01:09:22):
You didn't do a vert at the combine.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
I didn't do anything at the comeback. Yeah, I got
I need everything, Missy mistake. I got the House of
the bull Dogs. I brought everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
See in my teammate. You're a gret football player. You
don't need a lot of kicker.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
We're not going to over value your combine and re
evaluating your career. You just see it so sensitive about it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
No, because Flitch is a hater. There's one reason I
get bad, say.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Nine years in the league and Jay hates all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
But that's go do it for today's show. Thanks so
much for checking us out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
And that's it.