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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, coming in second round pick, you feel this
expectation and you feel this weight on you, and you
know I felt it especially early last year, and as
time has gone on, you're able to just kind of
let go of that, especially with guys like Zach and
John Bates, two of the best at.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
At what they do in this league. And so I
know I.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Understand it, but a lot of people outside the building
don't get that. So the way that I take I
just let it go and continue to put myself in
a position to be successful, work on myself. I can't
be John, I can't be Zach, and I'm just meet.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Welcome into the Next Man A bom the host Brian
Cooble Junior for here the Big Bear AI Command Center Studio,
and our guest is in here for the very first time.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Last time we had a whole other studio.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He was a kie.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Now he's a year two guy wocoming our next man up.
Ben Senate whatever brother.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you. I appreciate It's a pleasure and.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
It's great having you here. Man. Like I said, this
is year two for you. What's been different so far
in your opinion for year two for ben Centate.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I think just the confidence going into this year,
having a year under your belt. That first year, you're
kind of throwing into that fire a little bit with
the draft prep and where you're going to end up
in the draft, and you got to move across the
country a lot of that. So just not having an offseason,
you know, this year I was able to reset, got married.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Song appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So just time away and you kind of learn a
thing or two going through a year, how things work,
what people expect of you, and going into this year
just so much more confident, games slowing down, and just
time on task and putting in the work on the
on the grasses. What's really helped.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
And your rookie year you're coming in with new coaching staff,
new regime, but there's a lot of things that change
when you look back at your rookie year.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
What's standing out to you?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I mean, it was such a blur, But as far
as that, I mean just the the culture of the
team here. I'm so lucky. I'm so blessed to be
with guys and coaches like I am here. It's it's
a special place. And you see that with guys who
come in and they're like, wow, this place is different,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So that's such a blessing, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Being here and feeling that support and everybody wants you
to just be as best you can. So it's it's
cool place to be.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And you called it a blur, I understand it. I
can't imagine what. There's like so many different things. I mean,
you're basically starting a brand new, brand new job right
when you got the chance to sit this off season
and kind of reflect and you said, you got married,
you did different things. What was something that you said,
I want to work on in my first full NFL
off season to help bring that into you too.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah. I think the big one.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I guess technical standpoint on the field, just efficiency at
the top of my routes, and as far as the
run game, just keeping a grounded base on contact. I
try to keep things simple, not try to overcomplicate it
in my head, and focusing on those things in the
off season has helped me so much. And that's just
where that confidence comes from. It comes from that preparation
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and that practice you do on the grass and in
the film study. And yeah, I'm just I'm so much
more confident this year and and happy with how it's went.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Unfortunately for you, you're coming into a situation where you
get to be behind one of the best to ever
do it, in a zach Ertz man. What we've even
been able to learn from him, because I know, it's
not just vocal learning, it's watching, it's seeing the preparation
one of those things you took from zach Ertz.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just the consistency
of how he operates off the field with I mean,
you can walk in on a Monday, He's going to
be in the exact same spot every single Monday, doing
the exact same thing. So that consistency off the field
and being able to build that routine has helped me
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so much. And that's not even asking him questions, you know,
that's just seeing how he operates and being able to
learn from a guy like that and future Hall of
Famer and a guy who has done it just about
anything you want to do in this league.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
From a tight end standpoint.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I just kind of sit back and watch and
you see how he operates, and I'm able to build
my own routine. You know, we're different players or different people,
so I take that but also put my own spin
on it. And Yeah, it's been such a joy to
be able to watch him and see him do his thing. Man,
it's so impressive.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
And you could tell how much zach Ertz meant to
this locker room when he did go down with the injury,
having a great year, continuing to break records, jump Shannon
Sharp for in the tight end rankings.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Man, it was just crazy to see.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
And then you just see that emotion across the board
when he goes down.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Man, how did that affect you?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Somebody that has been watched him, That's probably like watching
Superman game with Kryptonite, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I know, especially with what he was doing at his age.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You know, the way he handles his recovery and the
way that he handles his business from getting his body
right every Sunday, it's just a freak thing and it
rattles you, like mentally and physically, and you just kind
of got to take a moment, like catch your breath
and The first thing I did was just get on
a knee and pray for him, like asking God to
give him strength and just know, I can't imagine what
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he's going through because he's a guy who puts in
so much work, so much time and effort into this
and has given his life to it. Really so it's
devastating to see that and a guy that you love
and care about. It was hard for this whole team,
and especially at the tight end room just how close.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We are, and you're getting to see how hard it
is to have that longevity in real time. Right you
only a year two Zach's been doing it.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
For a decade. Lock of it that he's been doing
it for so long.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And when you look at these first two years right here,
right you get drafted in the second round, there is
so much expectation from fans, from media, from probably even
family members that say, okay, you're a second rounder.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But I know nobody has higher expectations for themselves then you.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
How do you deal with the times when you don't
necessarily meet that expectation or things. The dream doesn't go
exactly how he wanted. This is a dream to be
in the NFL. But I know that a lot of
times when you're dreaming, things are sometimes maybe a lot
more green than they actually.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Will be in real time, because it's a grind, it's
a journey.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, you know, coming in second round pick, you feel
this expectation and you feel this weight on you, and
you know I felt it especially early last year, and
as time has gone on, you're able to just kind
of let go of that, especially with guys like Zach
and John Bates, two of the best at at what
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they do in this league. And so I know I
understand it, but a lot of people outside the building
don't get that. So the way that I take I
just let it go and continue to put myself in
a position to be successful, work on myself. I can't
be John, i can't be Zach, and I'm just me,
so being able to figure out how I can get
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better and let go of the expectation. And the people
in the building don't expect anything, you know, they they
see and they understand the situation and just owning who
I am and the way that I can get better,
and it's helped me play free and it's given me
so much confidence this year when I've gotten those opportunities
so I know God has a plan for me, and
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I know that if I trust in that's it's gonna
all happen at the right time. So that's just the
mindset that I've taken and the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Amen, And I'm glad you mentioned Artz and Baits because
I think a lot of people don't realize that, like
you not just sitting by and then you've got people
that are out there that do it at the highest
level and you get to sit and learn. But there
takes a patience to that. Because your entire life you've
been a man. You ain't had to sit for nothing.
You have had to wait for nothing, you haven't had
to be patient. How has it been being patient and
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waiting for your moments when your number is called to
get out on that field.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, it tests your patience, especially knowing what you can
do and the confidence that you have in yourself. There's
really tough days where you're making plays and you're doing
these things, but still like you got these guys in
front of you who have to play and who deserve
to play and are doing the same thing. So it's
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definitely hard to test your patience. But like I said,
I am able to just trust in the plan God
has for me, which is such a blessing. And I
definitely just rely on my faith to get through that
and trust in the process that I've set before myself
to get better, you know. So it's tough sometimes, but
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I just am continue to trust in that and improving
every day and just waiting and taking advantage of those opportunities.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And it's not just stuff that happens in this building.
Because you are human.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You have life, right, You're a husband now because a
bunch of different things. How would you say you've managed
to make the most of your down time when Ben
Sinnett is not the football.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Play, you know, the bruise out there.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
How are you spending your downtime to keep level and
just you know, keep yourself right.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, you know, it's important to step away from the
game every once in a while. And I love to
spend time with my wife. We watch TV shows all
the time. I'll play video games, call my friends, call
my parents and family and just really escape and that
just continues to reset me and allow me to get
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back to football when it's time to go. And I
think it's such a good thing to have that balance mentally, physically, spiritually,
and just let things go and take a second to
step back and reset a little bit.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
And you learn these things. You've learned how to be patient.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
You've been waiting for your moment, and sadly, with injuries
comes a chance for you to get on that field
a little more come forward, chance for you to get
some more moments. How ready are you right now for
these moments?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Man?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
We saw you have a big play and I'm telling
you me eat Tanna. You means from watching get word
like there go. There's that athleticism we know is there.
How great has it been to be able to just
be ready for this moment? And because your number is
gonna be called a lot more.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent, it's been such a blessing. And
that's just the thing. It's like, you never know with
this game and how physical it is, your one play
away at all times. So it doesn't change the way
that I prepare, the way that I go about my business.
But I'm obviously going to have more opportunities and looking
forward to just making the most of them.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And it's just.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Cool to see the support of my coaches and my
teammates when that happens, and Obviously you don't want it
to happen the way it did, but it is a
moment that I'm looking forward to these next few weeks
and going to make the most of it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It's crazy to think we're ending the season with all
nfcast games. We know how important it is, we know
how important this Philly game is for your boy, zach Ertz.
I know he comes into those Philly games ready to
make an impact, But I got a feeling Ben Sennence
coming into this Philly game ready to make an impact
only for yourself, but for your brother that's watching on
the sideline.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
We all know the passion and emotion he feels with
that organization spending time there, so we got to do
him a solid and have the Titans turn up against them.
So yeah, I'm excited for that opportunity. Obviously a lot
of a fuel and passion. With the NFC East and
such a big rivalry, I know, it's it's weird you
get a team twice in three weeks, so you're going
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to know each other, and it's cool to have that
kind of just match and able to just know the
opponent and and just get after him and see who
is the best of the end. So I'm excited for it.
Obviously means more, yes, sir, always going to mean more
of Ben.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
We appreciate your time, man, Thank you man, Thank you
for your patience, and we're excited to see you get
those more opportunities.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And I have no doubt you're going to make the
most of it.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
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Speaker 5 (13:33):
How you doing, bro, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I appreciate the compliment. You know, every time you look
at you, you look at yourself and you look you
get older. I mean look like I can play, but
you know in your mind you can barely step out.
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legends on, getting them to tell their stories is always
so important for me, especially somebody like you who has
made the DMV your home. You grew up in Austin, Texas,
probably grew up a Cowboys fan. I't want to speak
for you. Probably group around a lot of cowboys fans,
and you end up making this place home. I want
to start there because I think it's so fly that
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so many of you legends that aren't from here. I'm
not from here either, but we've made this place home.
Why was it important for you to put your roots
here and make the DMV home.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well, one, it was, you know, it's a great place.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
The big time truth of it was that my wife
doesn't like changing seasons, or she likes the change the seasons,
and so you know, if my wife is happy, I'm happy.
And it's also cool just being around here. Coming from
Arizona when I played, you had a you know, a
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core group of fans, but we were kind of new
to the area and all that stuff, so it wasn't
as gung ho is here here was like family. Everybody
knew you, you went places, people showed you respect, the
whole thing, and so it's just kind of cool being
here and hanging around and just making this home. Our
boys grew up here, and it was you know, I
didn't want to change that at all.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Man, that's beautiful, and who knows what a decision will
change in life, right, Like, you make this decision back
in nineteen ninety four to leave which was the Phoenix
Cardinals at the time, which is kind of wild to
think about, and you decide to pull up to Washington. Now,
I know the bag was crazy, but what else went
into that decision to decide to take yourself to the
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East Coast where I read you had never been to
the East Coast other than playing, but you had never
lived in the East Coast and really spent a.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Lot of time out here before coming to Washington. Is
that true?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:36):
So the truth of the story is I was I
was with the with the Cardinals, but it was opportunity
free agency got a chance to, you know, talk to
other teams, talk to the Redskins and the Rescluins at
the time, the Redskins, and they were like, you know,
we love you, we think you have the great potential.
Here's the deal on the table. Sign it now or leave.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Then I'm talking to my agent and I'm like, hey, man,
you know I want to go back to Arizona because
you know, you want to be back where you're comfortable.
Here's what they offered. Let's get see if Arizona's gonna
match it. Arizona's like, well, we don't believe it, and uh,
you know, we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We're not gonna just go off of that.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
And I'm like, all right, I'm not gonna be the
one that's gonna be caught up in the middle where
you know, Redskins pull it off the table. Arizona says, well,
I never saw anything, and then you're stuck in the middle,
and now you're trying to play this way. So we're like,
you know what if you start putting things on top
of each other and say, what's going to be the
best opportunity that I would have to to do? Well,
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I thought, was you know here with Washington because I'm like,
this is a great location.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Everyone knows them.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
They're just coming off some Super Bowl, Super Bowl victories,
and hopefully I could help them rebuild again to that
same level. Unfortunately that didn't happen, but that was kind
of mindset, was like this is a great place and
then coming here, you know, it's just it was amazing
because I had never experienced that type of fandom where
you could just walk down the street and everybody was.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Your fan and showed you respect.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
And you know, for me, I don't know if I'm
just you know, I don't call myself anything super spectacular,
but to see a grown man, you know, somebody that's
you know, in their fifties when I was young, and
that treating you with so much respect, It's like, man,
I don't deserve this, but I appreciate it because I
saw and my dad how much sports can change how
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people feel about themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Especially being in Texas. You know, all of a sudden,
you play sports.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
You can be you're treated with more respect, You're treated
with this and that, and those people who are watching
you like, this is our opportunity, especially as af Americans,
this is our opportunity to show that we are something,
that we can make something of ourselves, and so it
was it was just kind of an honor to be here.
And then you know, you're looking at d C all
the stuff you saw on TV.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'm a big TV guy. This was like a dream
come true.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
You get to see the Capitol, and you get to
see the White House, you get to see all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was. It was cool.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And you mentioned the word respect, And when I look
at you getting the second biggest contract in franchise history
at the time from Washington, I don't know if there's
any more sign of respect. And how bad Washington truly
wanted you. What did that mean to you? I understand
everybody want to get that bad everybody want to get
that money. It's always a beautiful thing, but it's a
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sign of your value and how much they valued you
and how much they wanted you here.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
That had to them in a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well it meant a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
But my mindset was like, you know, if you gave
me this contract, my job is to show you that
either you under sold you know you didn't you know
you could have offered me more, or that you got
your money's worth.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That was kind of my mindset. I wanted them to know.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
That it wasn't just a fluke type of thing, that
they at least put a good investment in me, and
that I could show them, you know, that it was
worthwhile and so hopefully I produced that here.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You know, I had a pretty good career here.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Man average nearly eight sacks a season while you were here.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
That is not a small thing.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Like I said at the start, your sixth all time
as far as sack leaders go. For Washington, what about
this place worked for you? What about this place brought
out the best scene?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
So it's a couple of things, and I start off,
I'll go back to Arizona. So in Arizona, I had
tore my acl and I also tore the rotator cuff
in my shoulders.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So both of those.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Injuries at the time, you know, were considered almost career
and injuries.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
But then I was fortunate enough to come here.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So like you said, you know the show that Washington
wanted me, it meant something special. But then I think
a lot of times people look at the individual and
think it's just you, And it wasn't just me when
I got here, d Boy, who was the strength coach
really helped, I mean probably saved my career in the
strength training that we did. Then I had these great
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players that played around me. Monic Coleman, who was like
a mentor. I had Tim Johnson who was always, you know,
give them the spiritual uplift and saying, come on, brother,
you can do this. And and then you had other players.
You have Jim Leche who was beat me up in
practic but then telling me what I did wrong. So
when I went out in the field to go against somebody,
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I had already been against the best every day in practice,
and so it was just, you know, it was a
cool feeling to be at least a part of it,
and I wanted to hold up my end of it,
but it was a cool feeling to know that it
wasn't just you. This is what This is why they
won the Super Bowls because they were a team and
they were a family. And unfortunately, you know, you know
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a lot of those guys got kind of pushed away
and went to other teams. But you could tell why
they were so good. They were a family and they
were a team.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
And you're finding all the success on the field, you're
finding ways to get it done, You're making the Pro Bowls.
Truly one of the best linebackers we have ever had.
But I'm sure it was tough because I know your
goal was to get back to the Bulls to bring
back that championship glory.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
How tough was it? And is it still tough when
you think about it, that.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You weren't really able to accomplish that part of the game,
which is not always under your control. Right, it's a
team game. But I know somebody that could piech as
hard as you. I'm sure that sticks with you a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, it hurts even you talking about it now, you
know that was That's one of the things when when
you go and you talk to kids, you're like, what
do you miss so much about the game? It's like
I played eleven years and never made it to the playoffs,
never experienced what it was like as a team to
do something great. Individually, you can get your awards and rewards,
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but as a team, and that's what the game is,
as a team game. You wanted to feel like we
all did it, we all made together because, like I said,
there were so many good players who played around me
who probably never got the recognition and helped me get
to where I was at individually. Man, I wanted to
see it together, like what could we have done as
a team? And how can we get that feeling of
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knowing that you represent the Washington, DC metro area and
and you did it together. That to me would be
the greatest thing ever. And you know, sometimes I still
search for it. You know, you still want that feeling
of being that part of that team that achieve something
great like that.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
How do you scratch that itch?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Like you said, even to this day, you're still looking
for that, looking for that feeling, that camaraderie. How do
you do that at this point in your life?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know, right now I'm kind of like the old
man who's learned a lot of lessons in life. And
so I understand now it's more use the gifts and
the things that God has given you, and you don't
have to search for everything.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Sometimes it'll be right in front of your face.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
But it's all about you using the gifts that God
has given you. And so you know, right now, I'm
trying to create my own sports game, you know, not
a video game, but just that live game that people
would play. You know, I don't know if I would
ever get that feeling of going to the super Bowl
or whatever. But I know, creating something and having people
enjoy it would be kind of cool. And so that's
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that's one of the things I'm doing now and hopefully
that'll scratch the itch a little bit. But if not,
you know, it's all about you know, what do you
consider a team. I mean, I if my wife still
loves me and my boys still respect me, I think
that's a great team.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And whether or not achieved anything.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
On the football field, hopefully I've achieved something in some
area of my life that I could look back and say,
you know what, I did it.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
We did it. It's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And when I hear you say that you yearned for
that team atmosphere again, it makes me go back to
something you said a few minutes ago about the people
you leaned on as leaders, the people you leaned on
to help you figure out this game, the people that
helped you not only on the field but off the
field as well. Who were some of those people that
really helped the young Ken Harvey along the way.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, like I said, you know, there were some guys
just in the terms of friendship. There was Terry Crews,
who played on the team. You know, it's a good
dude and and quite frankly, probably could have played. You know,
in my spot. I got hurt one time. He went
in and made three tackles in a row. I got healthy.
A lot quicker Marcus Patten who who was inside linebacker,
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and just you know, you know, if I thought I
was strong, he was massively strong and just really pushed
gust farradd as a quarterback. But he's a friend of
mine and my wife, you know. And then just leaning
on the people early on. You know, there was the
Art Monk and you know, spiritually and just you know,
just talking to him. There was Charles Man, Daryl Green,
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you know, all these people who've been there, understood what
it took to win. They were pouring into my life
and that was you know, that was that was pretty amazing.
And then you know, a shout out to like wives,
because my wife had to deal with a lot of
stuff that you know, people don't see she you know,
she everybody sees you as a football player, the hero.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You're doing your stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
No one sees you as this grouchy person who's coming
home mad or angry, who's who's just lying around moping
and whining about his injuries and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
People don't see that she has to deal with a
lot of that stuff, or.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
People interrupting, you know, your dinner because they want an autograph.
But you know, she stood up and dealt with all
that and so it was cool. It was you know,
it's it's all worked together.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And can When you mentioned your wife, it makes me
think of an interview I did with Alfred Morris maybe
about a month ago, and he talked about the hardships
of being a retired NFL player, being this great playing
this sport that you have played since you can even
start your memories, and he leaned on his wife a
lot to get through that. Did you have a hard
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time with retirement, because even hearing you talk right now,
like you said, you still have, you know, those feelings
of wanting to be a part of a team or
not doing everything you set out to do, maybe in
your mind for Washington Man, was it hard to pivot
to the next stage of life after retirement and figure
out who Ken Harvey was outside of the football field.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Yeah, it's taken me a long time. I mean, I
you know, sometimes it's the investment you put in it.
I was kind of walking that thin line of not
fully out of football and not.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Fully into something else.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
And so it was it was hard because I really
didn't know what I wanted to do, but I know
I had. I knew in my mind it was like
I was destined for something great. I'm supposed to be
doing something bigger than that. But you're around this area
a lot of times. You get you can you can
live off of your environment or what people think and
what they say about you, and you think, you know,
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I'm supposed to bel a government contract and do all
the you know, the stuff that's in the government area,
or a good salesperson and all that stuff, or people
can't understand what you are as a for me as
a creative person, and so or maybe I don't fully
embrace the creativity, and so you're kind of lost and
you're stuck in limbo. So I always kind of look at, Uh,
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there's a story in the Bible Exodus talks about Moses,
and I'm like, you know, I've been wandering around the
desert for forty years and waiting to see that burning bush.
And then ultimately when you see the burning bush and
you're standing there and you know there's a part of
the Exodus for too where God says, what's in your hand?
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He's talking to Moses, and Moses says the staff. And
when I read that, I was like, you know what,
something as simple as the staff where for Moses is
tending sheep is leaning on it to sleep. God's like,
if you trust me not, that staff will not only uh,
you know, lead the sheep, It's going to lead the people.
It's going to lead millions of people. You trust me,
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that staff is going to part the red seas. And
I see that as you know, trusting God with your gifts.
And if you trust God with those gifts, then you
can do some amazing things, but you have to fully
believe in it and fully trusted it. So that's the
the journey I've been on is just you know, through
my own probably hardheadedness, is learning to say, embrace the
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gifts that you have, whatever that is, and try to
be the best you can at it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So that's where I'm at now.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I love that you use that analogy. And if you
don't mind me asking what was your burning bush more?
What was that moment where you had to be reminded
of the staff? In your hand. Did you have a
moment like that?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So it was it was years ago. I was, I was,
I was, I was down.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I mean, you know, it's it's sometimes it's hard being
the man. But then you're not achieving what you think
you're supposed to achieve. So even though in front of everybody,
you look like you're all that, but deep down.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Inside you feel like almost like an imposter, like why
am I here? What am I doing?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
And I'm sitting there and I'm praying, and I'm like, God,
what am I supposed to be doing? And I finally
I did a children's book. My first children's book was
was My Boys and Terry Crews did the all Work.
And so I had looked at it again and I'm like,
you know what, it's just sitting there. This is a
good book for people. I know the reason why I
did it. And I'm praying to guy and I call
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up Terry and he's now a movie start and he's
doing well, and I'm like, Terry, you know, I want
to do this book again, just to get it out.
There are a lot of kids who probably need to
see themselves this care aracters and do it and it
just all just started kind of piecing together and he's
ter was like, I'll pay for everything.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Let's get this thing done.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Another friend of mine called up out of nowhere and
he's like, you know, I got this augmented reality company
and we're going to you know, if you want to
do something. I was like, well, let's put the augmented
reality with the children's book, and you know, things happen,
and I was like, wow, man, you know that's the
gift that I have. Then I start using and then
I have to get out my own way because then
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I was like, man, I don't want to be known
just as a children's books writer. And so, you know,
fast forward to now, it's kind of like, be good
at what you're good at. Don't don't worry about the title.
Just understand that's the gift. So I think it's you know,
sometimes we think it's a lightning bolt and a moment
that's going to change everything. A lot of times it's
a journey and some of those lessons along the way
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of the very things that you use to make you,
you know, what you're supposed to be in the future.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Ken.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I appreciate you sharing that story because I think a
lot of people forget, like especially somebody like you, Like
I just with an at a charity event with you,
and you are just this massive presence, right, massive smile.
You're this big old dude, And I think people when
they see that, especially on the field, and so much
that you accomplished on the field, they forget about the human,
about the things that the human has to go through.
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But I also like being in this position to remind you, man,
what you played seventy four games in the Burgunie and Gold.
You ended with forty one and a half sacks. Again,
that's sixth all time. So even though a lot of
times the brain and our human side will let us know, hey,
maybe we didn't do enough, maybe left someone on the table, Ken,
I'm here to tell you didn't leave nothing on the table.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You can't control team success all the time, but what
you did on that field while you were hearing the
Bergnie and Gold, you left it all on the field.
And I truly feel like that's why you're so appreciated
and so loved, and I just hope you feel that.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
I hope you You know, one of the things that
I think for a lot of people, sometimes you got
to learn to appreciate and accept the gifts and the
blessings that you have. And sometimes we could be our
own worst enemy that we get in our way. Instead
of looking back and saying, you know what, I did
do that, and I do that now, I look back
and say, man, I'm on the ring of fame, and
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not in a cocky way, not in that I'm better
than anybody, but I'm like, man, I did that, and
I did have a good career here, and I did
play well here, and I gave it all I had here,
and so don't not get and say, oh, I should
have and I would have, and I could have just
embrace it and say, man, this was a great time.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
And you know, maybe there's some things to learn, but
this was this was special. And how many people, in
the wildest dreams ever get a chance to do what
I did.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And that's that's what I embraced now.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
And you did it, and you accomplished it, and you
earned it as well.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Ken.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
We appreciate you so much for being so honest and open.
And one last question for you, brother, when it's all
sat and done, when fans are in the barbershop and
they're talking about Ken Harvey hundred years from now, thirty
years and at fifty whatever it is, How do you
want Ken Harvey's time in Washington to be remembered?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
How do you want to be remembered? You know?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
What the cool thing would be if somebody was talking,
somebody was in the barbershop and they were talking about
some of the old greats, and then some kid comes
in was grown man now and he's like, yeah, I
barely remember. I kind of remember him with football, but man,
I remember him coming to my class and reading to
some books, to my reading books to me when I
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was a little kid.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And man, that that changed my life.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I saw, I saw this big like you said, this
big guy, huge guy and big old eyes, look scary,
you know.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And and when I heard him read and.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I saw him having fun with us, that made me
think anything is possible, and don't be afraid of who
you are and what you can do.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And so that to me would be the greatest thing. Uh. That,
And and the.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Fact that hopefully if someone meets my kids and they say, man,
you know you guys.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Are great people.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
I know that hopefully them being great people has a
lot to do with me and my wife and that
be the coolest thing, because you know, if anybody think
anything good of me, it's because my parents, my mom
and my dad, who am just sacrificed so much and
hopefully made me into a good person that you see.
You know, hopefully I'm passing that seed on down to
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my kids and my.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Family, and Ken, you definitely are. Man.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
We were passing out turkeys and I had my little
man with me, and you took the time to you
ain't know who he was. You took the time to
show him love, gas him up a little bit, make
sure he was handing out turkey. And but you were
doing that with everybody, right. Was it just because you
know me or I worked for the command.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
It wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It was that is the energy and presence you have,
and we just appreciate that so much. I'm sure so
many people remember you from the community service, the things
you do, like you said, showing up to schools because
a lot of us weren't even alive when you were
in your heyday doing all those things.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So it's just can I say it's one thing I
don't I know you run out of time?
Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, Ken, you good? We got all the time in
the world.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
I went to the Pro Bowl, my first pro bo
and I brought my dad and there was a player
and I forgot the player, but it's a player in
the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
And my dad was like a huge fan and I
went up to him. I was like, hey, man, my.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Dad's a fan of yours. Would you mind just saying
hello to him? And he went up to my dad
and he's like, hey, mister Harvey, how you doing, blah
blah blah. And I saw my dad become this little kid,
and it's like, oh man, he talked to me.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
He knew my name, you told him everything. And I
was like, no, Dad, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I knew your name. And my dad was like this
little kid.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
And I saw that and I was like, wow, that's
the fact that players can have on someone's life. For you,
it's just a moment, but for them it could be
you know, this thing. And I was like, you know what,
I want to treat everybody hopefully that way, you know
that they can have a good time.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
I'm awkward at times, you know, sometimes I don't know
what to say to people because you know, it's whatever.
But I try to hopefully make sure people have a
good time because you know, I don't take it for granted.
You know, we get a chance to do things. I
get a chance to do things that a lot of
people don't do. I sometimes take for granted that I
could go to a foot ball game. You know, there
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are millions of kids, a lot of kids who can
never get that chance. And so now I'm just trying
to do what I've seen other people do to me.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Can we appreciate you because again, you don't owe anybody
that right. You could go off being floored in Miami
right now, chilling on the beach, but you take your
time to make this place home, to give back to
your community and just give back to everybody you me.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
I never think I've ever seen you not smiling.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Ken, We appreciate you so much for taking the time
to jump on next mid up, next time we got
to get you at the studio, Man, I feel like
your presence would be amazing in this studio. Can and again,
just thank you for all that you do and that
you continue to do, not only for the DMV, but
just everybody who come in contact with Brother. We appreciate you.
Appreciate you, man, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Come maand this family, our Next Man Up. Ken Harvey,
appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
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You know, coming in second round pick, you feel this
expectation and you feel this weight on you, and you
know I felt it especially early last year, and as
time has gone on, you're able to just kind of
let go of that, especially with guys like Zach and
John Bates, two of the best at.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
At what they do in this league. And so I
know I.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Understand it, but a lot of people outside the building
don't get that. So the way that I take I
just let it go and continue to put myself in
a position to be successful, work on myself. I can't
be John, I can't be Zach, and I'm just meet.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Welcome into the Next Man A bom the host Brian
Cooble Junior for here the Big Bear AI Command Center Studio,
and our guest is in here for the very first time.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Last time we had a whole other studio.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He was a kie.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Now he's a year two guy wocoming our next man up.
Ben Senate whatever brother.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you. I appreciate It's a pleasure and.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
It's great having you here. Man. Like I said, this
is year two for you. What's been different so far
in your opinion for year two for ben Centate.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I think just the confidence going into this year,
having a year under your belt. That first year, you're
kind of throwing into that fire a little bit with
the draft prep and where you're going to end up
in the draft, and you got to move across the
country a lot of that. So just not having an offseason,
you know, this year I was able to reset, got married.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Song appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So just time away and you kind of learn a
thing or two going through a year, how things work,
what people expect of you, and going into this year
just so much more confident, games slowing down, and just
time on task and putting in the work on the
on the grasses. What's really helped.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
And your rookie year you're coming in with new coaching staff,
new regime, but there's a lot of things that change
when you look back at your rookie year.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
What's standing out to you?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I mean, it was such a blur, But as far
as that, I mean just the the culture of the
team here. I'm so lucky. I'm so blessed to be
with guys and coaches like I am here. It's it's
a special place. And you see that with guys who
come in and they're like, wow, this place is different,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So that's such a blessing, you know, just.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Being here and feeling that support and everybody wants you
to just be as best you can. So it's it's
cool place to be.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
And you called it a blur, I understand it. I
can't imagine what. There's like so many different things. I mean,
you're basically starting a brand new, brand new job right
when you got the chance to sit this off season
and kind of reflect and you said, you got married,
you did different things. What was something that you said,
I want to work on in my first full NFL
off season to help bring that into you too.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah. I think the big one.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I guess technical standpoint on the field, just efficiency at
the top of my routes, and as far as the
run game, just keeping a grounded base on contact. I
try to keep things simple, not try to overcomplicate it
in my head, and focusing on those things in the
off season has helped me so much. And that's just
where that confidence comes from. It comes from that preparation
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and that practice you do on the grass and in
the film study. And yeah, I'm just I'm so much
more confident this year and and happy with how it's went.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Unfortunately for you, you're coming into a situation where you
get to be behind one of the best to ever
do it, in a zach Ertz man. What we've even
been able to learn from him, because I know, it's
not just vocal learning, it's watching, it's seeing the preparation
one of those things you took from zach Ertz.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just the consistency
of how he operates off the field with I mean,
you can walk in on a Monday, He's going to
be in the exact same spot every single Monday, doing
the exact same thing. So that consistency off the field
and being able to build that routine has helped me
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so much. And that's not even asking him questions, you know,
that's just seeing how he operates and being able to
learn from a guy like that and future Hall of
Famer and a guy who has done it just about
anything you want to do in this league.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
From a tight end standpoint.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So I just kind of sit back and watch and
you see how he operates, and I'm able to build
my own routine. You know, we're different players or different people,
so I take that but also put my own spin
on it. And Yeah, it's been such a joy to
be able to watch him and see him do his thing. Man,
it's so impressive.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
And you could tell how much zach Ertz meant to
this locker room when he did go down with the injury,
having a great year, continuing to break records, jump Shannon
Sharp for in the tight end rankings.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Man, it was just crazy to see.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
And then you just see that emotion across the board
when he goes down.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Man, how did that affect you?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Somebody that has been watched him, That's probably like watching
Superman game with Kryptonite, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I know, especially with what he was doing at his age.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You know, the way he handles his recovery and the
way that he handles his business from getting his body
right every Sunday, it's just a freak thing and it
rattles you, like mentally and physically, and you just kind
of got to take a moment, like catch your breath
and The first thing I did was just get on
a knee and pray for him, like asking God to
give him strength and just know, I can't imagine what
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he's going through because he's a guy who puts in
so much work, so much time and effort into this
and has given his life to it. Really so it's
devastating to see that and a guy that you love
and care about. It was hard for this whole team,
and especially at the tight end room just how close.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We are, and you're getting to see how hard it
is to have that longevity in real time. Right you
only a year two Zach's been doing it.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
For a decade. Lock of it that he's been doing
it for so long.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And when you look at these first two years right here,
right you get drafted in the second round, there is
so much expectation from fans, from media, from probably even
family members that say, okay, you're a second rounder.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
But I know nobody has higher expectations for themselves then you.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
How do you deal with the times when you don't
necessarily meet that expectation or things. The dream doesn't go
exactly how he wanted. This is a dream to be
in the NFL. But I know that a lot of
times when you're dreaming, things are sometimes maybe a lot
more green than they actually.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Will be in real time, because it's a grind, it's
a journey.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, you know, coming in second round pick, you feel
this expectation and you feel this weight on you, and
you know I felt it especially early last year, and
as time has gone on, you're able to just kind
of let go of that, especially with guys like Zach
and John Bates, two of the best at at what
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they do in this league. And so I know I
understand it, but a lot of people outside the building
don't get that. So the way that I take I
just let it go and continue to put myself in
a position to be successful, work on myself. I can't
be John, i can't be Zach, and I'm just me,
so being able to figure out how I can get
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better and let go of the expectation. And the people
in the building don't expect anything, you know, they they
see and they understand the situation and just owning who
I am and the way that I can get better,
and it's helped me play free and it's given me
so much confidence this year when I've gotten those opportunities
so I know God has a plan for me, and
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I know that if I trust in that's it's gonna
all happen at the right time. So that's just the
mindset that I've taken and the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Amen, And I'm glad you mentioned Artz and Baits because
I think a lot of people don't realize that, like
you not just sitting by and then you've got people
that are out there that do it at the highest
level and you get to sit and learn. But there
takes a patience to that. Because your entire life you've
been a man. You ain't had to sit for nothing.
You have had to wait for nothing, you haven't had
to be patient. How has it been being patient and
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waiting for your moments when your number is called to
get out on that field.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, it tests your patience, especially knowing what you can
do and the confidence that you have in yourself. There's
really tough days where you're making plays and you're doing
these things, but still like you got these guys in
front of you who have to play and who deserve
to play and are doing the same thing. So it's
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definitely hard to test your patience. But like I said,
I am able to just trust in the plan God
has for me, which is such a blessing. And I
definitely just rely on my faith to get through that
and trust in the process that I've set before myself
to get better, you know. So it's tough sometimes, but
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I just am continue to trust in that and improving
every day and just waiting and taking advantage of those opportunities.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
And it's not just stuff that happens in this building.
Because you are human.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You have life, right, You're a husband now because a
bunch of different things. How would you say you've managed
to make the most of your down time when Ben
Sinnett is not the football.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Play, you know, the bruise out there.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
How are you spending your downtime to keep level and
just you know, keep yourself right.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, you know, it's important to step away from the
game every once in a while. And I love to
spend time with my wife. We watch TV shows all
the time. I'll play video games, call my friends, call
my parents and family and just really escape and that
just continues to reset me and allow me to get
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back to football when it's time to go. And I
think it's such a good thing to have that balance mentally, physically, spiritually,
and just let things go and take a second to
step back and reset a little bit.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
And you learn these things. You've learned how to be patient.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
You've been waiting for your moment, and sadly, with injuries
comes a chance for you to get on that field
a little more come forward, chance for you to get
some more moments. How ready are you right now for
these moments?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Man?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
We saw you have a big play and I'm telling
you me eat Tanna. You means from watching get word
like there go. There's that athleticism we know is there.
How great has it been to be able to just
be ready for this moment? And because your number is
gonna be called a lot more.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent, it's been such a blessing. And
that's just the thing. It's like, you never know with
this game and how physical it is, your one play
away at all times. So it doesn't change the way
that I prepare, the way that I go about my business.
But I'm obviously going to have more opportunities and looking
forward to just making the most of them.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And it's just.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Cool to see the support of my coaches and my
teammates when that happens, and Obviously you don't want it
to happen the way it did, but it is a
moment that I'm looking forward to these next few weeks
and going to make the most of it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It's crazy to think we're ending the season with all
nfcast games. We know how important it is, we know
how important this Philly game is for your boy, zach Ertz.
I know he comes into those Philly games ready to
make an impact, But I got a feeling Ben Sennence
coming into this Philly game ready to make an impact
only for yourself, but for your brother that's watching on
the sideline.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
We all know the passion and emotion he feels with
that organization spending time there, so we got to do
him a solid and have the Titans turn up against them.
So yeah, I'm excited for that opportunity. Obviously a lot
of a fuel and passion. With the NFC East and
such a big rivalry, I know, it's it's weird you
get a team twice in three weeks, so you're going
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to know each other, and it's cool to have that
kind of just match and able to just know the
opponent and and just get after him and see who
is the best of the end. So I'm excited for it.
Obviously means more, yes, sir, always going to mean more
of Ben.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
We appreciate your time, man, Thank you man, Thank you
for your patience, and we're excited to see you get
those more opportunities.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And I have no doubt you're going to make the
most of it.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
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We have a legend that currently sits sixth all time
in sacks for Washington.
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He's a bad man.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Looks like he could still play another three four seasons
right now. Welcome in there, Ken Harvey to nextvet up.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
How you doing, bro, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I appreciate the compliment. You know, every time you look
at you, you look at yourself and you look you
get older. I mean look like I can play, but
you know in your mind you can barely step out.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
On the field. I'm good to go.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Hey, sir man, we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I'm really excited to talk to you because getting these
legends on, getting them to tell their stories is always
so important for me, especially somebody like you who has
made the DMV your home. You grew up in Austin, Texas,
probably grew up a Cowboys fan. I't want to speak
for you. Probably group around a lot of cowboys fans,
and you end up making this place home. I want
to start there because I think it's so fly that
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so many of you legends that aren't from here. I'm
not from here either, but we've made this place home.
Why was it important for you to put your roots
here and make the DMV home.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well, one, it was, you know, it's a great place.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
The big time truth of it was that my wife
doesn't like changing seasons, or she likes the change the seasons,
and so you know, if my wife is happy, I'm happy.
And it's also cool just being around here. Coming from
Arizona when I played, you had a you know, a
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core group of fans, but we were kind of new
to the area and all that stuff, so it wasn't
as gung ho is here here was like family. Everybody
knew you, you went places, people showed you respect, the
whole thing, and so it's just kind of cool being
here and hanging around and just making this home. Our
boys grew up here, and it was you know, I
didn't want to change that at all.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Man, that's beautiful, and who knows what a decision will
change in life, right, Like, you make this decision back
in nineteen ninety four to leave which was the Phoenix
Cardinals at the time, which is kind of wild to
think about, and you decide to pull up to Washington. Now,
I know the bag was crazy, but what else went
into that decision to decide to take yourself to the
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East Coast where I read you had never been to
the East Coast other than playing, but you had never
lived in the East Coast and really spent a.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Lot of time out here before coming to Washington. Is
that true?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (15:36):
So the truth of the story is I was I
was with the with the Cardinals, but it was opportunity
free agency got a chance to, you know, talk to
other teams, talk to the Redskins and the Rescluins at
the time, the Redskins, and they were like, you know,
we love you, we think you have the great potential.
Here's the deal on the table. Sign it now or leave.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Then I'm talking to my agent and I'm like, hey, man,
you know I want to go back to Arizona because
you know, you want to be back where you're comfortable.
Here's what they offered. Let's get see if Arizona's gonna
match it. Arizona's like, well, we don't believe it, and uh,
you know, we're not.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We're not gonna just go off of that.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
And I'm like, all right, I'm not gonna be the
one that's gonna be caught up in the middle where
you know, Redskins pull it off the table. Arizona says, well,
I never saw anything, and then you're stuck in the middle,
and now you're trying to play this way. So we're like,
you know what if you start putting things on top
of each other and say, what's going to be the
best opportunity that I would have to to do? Well,
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I thought, was you know here with Washington because I'm like,
this is a great location.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Everyone knows them.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
They're just coming off some Super Bowl, Super Bowl victories,
and hopefully I could help them rebuild again to that
same level. Unfortunately that didn't happen, but that was kind
of mindset, was like this is a great place and
then coming here, you know, it's just it was amazing
because I had never experienced that type of fandom where
you could just walk down the street and everybody was.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Your fan and showed you respect.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
And you know, for me, I don't know if I'm
just you know, I don't call myself anything super spectacular,
but to see a grown man, you know, somebody that's
you know, in their fifties when I was young, and
that treating you with so much respect, It's like, man,
I don't deserve this, but I appreciate it because I
saw and my dad how much sports can change how
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people feel about themselves.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Especially being in Texas. You know, all of a sudden,
you play sports.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
You can be you're treated with more respect, You're treated
with this and that, and those people who are watching
you like, this is our opportunity, especially as af Americans,
this is our opportunity to show that we are something,
that we can make something of ourselves, and so it
was it was just kind of an honor to be here.
And then you know, you're looking at d C all
the stuff you saw on TV.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'm a big TV guy. This was like a dream
come true.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
You get to see the Capitol, and you get to
see the White House, you get to see all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It was. It was cool.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
And you mentioned the word respect, And when I look
at you getting the second biggest contract in franchise history
at the time from Washington, I don't know if there's
any more sign of respect. And how bad Washington truly
wanted you. What did that mean to you? I understand
everybody want to get that bad everybody want to get
that money. It's always a beautiful thing, but it's a
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sign of your value and how much they valued you
and how much they wanted you here.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
That had to them in a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well it meant a lot.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
But my mindset was like, you know, if you gave
me this contract, my job is to show you that
either you under sold you know you didn't you know
you could have offered me more, or that you got
your money's worth.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That was kind of my mindset. I wanted them to know.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
That it wasn't just a fluke type of thing, that
they at least put a good investment in me, and
that I could show them, you know, that it was
worthwhile and so hopefully I produced that here.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You know, I had a pretty good career here.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Man average nearly eight sacks a season while you were here.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
That is not a small thing.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Like I said at the start, your sixth all time
as far as sack leaders go. For Washington, what about
this place worked for you? What about this place brought
out the best scene?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
So it's a couple of things, and I start off,
I'll go back to Arizona. So in Arizona, I had
tore my acl and I also tore the rotator cuff
in my shoulders.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So both of those.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Injuries at the time, you know, were considered almost career
and injuries.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
But then I was fortunate enough to come here.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
So like you said, you know the show that Washington
wanted me, it meant something special. But then I think
a lot of times people look at the individual and
think it's just you, And it wasn't just me when
I got here, d Boy, who was the strength coach
really helped, I mean probably saved my career in the
strength training that we did. Then I had these great
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players that played around me. Monic Coleman, who was like
a mentor. I had Tim Johnson who was always, you know,
give them the spiritual uplift and saying, come on, brother,
you can do this. And and then you had other players.
You have Jim Leche who was beat me up in
practic but then telling me what I did wrong. So
when I went out in the field to go against somebody,
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I had already been against the best every day in practice,
and so it was just, you know, it was a
cool feeling to be at least a part of it,
and I wanted to hold up my end of it,
but it was a cool feeling to know that it
wasn't just you. This is what This is why they
won the Super Bowls because they were a team and
they were a family. And unfortunately, you know, you know
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a lot of those guys got kind of pushed away
and went to other teams. But you could tell why
they were so good. They were a family and they
were a team.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
And you're finding all the success on the field, you're
finding ways to get it done, You're making the Pro Bowls.
Truly one of the best linebackers we have ever had.
But I'm sure it was tough because I know your
goal was to get back to the Bulls to bring
back that championship glory.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
How tough was it? And is it still tough when
you think about it, that.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You weren't really able to accomplish that part of the game,
which is not always under your control. Right, it's a
team game. But I know somebody that could piech as
hard as you. I'm sure that sticks with you a
little bit.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, it hurts even you talking about it now, you
know that was That's one of the things when when
you go and you talk to kids, you're like, what
do you miss so much about the game? It's like
I played eleven years and never made it to the playoffs,
never experienced what it was like as a team to
do something great. Individually, you can get your awards and rewards,
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but as a team, and that's what the game is,
as a team game. You wanted to feel like we
all did it, we all made together because, like I said,
there were so many good players who played around me
who probably never got the recognition and helped me get
to where I was at individually. Man, I wanted to
see it together, like what could we have done as
a team? And how can we get that feeling of
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knowing that you represent the Washington, DC metro area and
and you did it together. That to me would be
the greatest thing ever. And you know, sometimes I still
search for it. You know, you still want that feeling
of being that part of that team that achieve something
great like that.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
How do you scratch that itch?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Like you said, even to this day, you're still looking
for that, looking for that feeling, that camaraderie. How do
you do that at this point in your life?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
You know, right now I'm kind of like the old
man who's learned a lot of lessons in life. And
so I understand now it's more use the gifts and
the things that God has given you, and you don't
have to search for everything.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Sometimes it'll be right in front of your face.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
But it's all about you using the gifts that God
has given you. And so you know, right now, I'm
trying to create my own sports game, you know, not
a video game, but just that live game that people
would play. You know, I don't know if I would
ever get that feeling of going to the super Bowl
or whatever. But I know, creating something and having people
enjoy it would be kind of cool. And so that's
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that's one of the things I'm doing now and hopefully
that'll scratch the itch a little bit. But if not,
you know, it's all about you know, what do you
consider a team. I mean, I if my wife still
loves me and my boys still respect me, I think
that's a great team.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
And whether or not achieved anything.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
On the football field, hopefully I've achieved something in some
area of my life that I could look back and say,
you know what, I did it.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
We did it. It's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And when I hear you say that you yearned for
that team atmosphere again, it makes me go back to
something you said a few minutes ago about the people
you leaned on as leaders, the people you leaned on
to help you figure out this game, the people that
helped you not only on the field but off the
field as well. Who were some of those people that
really helped the young Ken Harvey along the way.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, like I said, you know, there were some guys
just in the terms of friendship. There was Terry Crews,
who played on the team. You know, it's a good
dude and and quite frankly, probably could have played. You know,
in my spot. I got hurt one time. He went
in and made three tackles in a row. I got healthy.
A lot quicker Marcus Patten who who was inside linebacker,
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and just you know, you know, if I thought I
was strong, he was massively strong and just really pushed
gust farradd as a quarterback. But he's a friend of
mine and my wife, you know. And then just leaning
on the people early on. You know, there was the
Art Monk and you know, spiritually and just you know,
just talking to him. There was Charles Man, Daryl Green,
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you know, all these people who've been there, understood what
it took to win. They were pouring into my life
and that was you know, that was that was pretty amazing.
And then you know, a shout out to like wives,
because my wife had to deal with a lot of
stuff that you know, people don't see she you know,
she everybody sees you as a football player, the hero.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You're doing your stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
No one sees you as this grouchy person who's coming
home mad or angry, who's who's just lying around moping
and whining about his injuries and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
People don't see that she has to deal with a
lot of that stuff, or.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
People interrupting, you know, your dinner because they want an autograph.
But you know, she stood up and dealt with all
that and so it was cool. It was you know,
it's it's all worked together.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And can When you mentioned your wife, it makes me
think of an interview I did with Alfred Morris maybe
about a month ago, and he talked about the hardships
of being a retired NFL player, being this great playing
this sport that you have played since you can even
start your memories, and he leaned on his wife a
lot to get through that. Did you have a hard
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time with retirement, because even hearing you talk right now,
like you said, you still have, you know, those feelings
of wanting to be a part of a team or
not doing everything you set out to do, maybe in
your mind for Washington Man, was it hard to pivot
to the next stage of life after retirement and figure
out who Ken Harvey was outside of the football field.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Yeah, it's taken me a long time. I mean, I
you know, sometimes it's the investment you put in it.
I was kind of walking that thin line of not
fully out of football and not.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Fully into something else.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
And so it was it was hard because I really
didn't know what I wanted to do, but I know
I had. I knew in my mind it was like
I was destined for something great. I'm supposed to be
doing something bigger than that. But you're around this area
a lot of times. You get you can you can
live off of your environment or what people think and
what they say about you, and you think, you know,
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I'm supposed to bel a government contract and do all
the you know, the stuff that's in the government area,
or a good salesperson and all that stuff, or people
can't understand what you are as a for me as
a creative person, and so or maybe I don't fully
embrace the creativity, and so you're kind of lost and
you're stuck in limbo. So I always kind of look at, Uh,
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there's a story in the Bible Exodus talks about Moses,
and I'm like, you know, I've been wandering around the
desert for forty years and waiting to see that burning bush.
And then ultimately when you see the burning bush and
you're standing there and you know there's a part of
the Exodus for too where God says, what's in your hand?
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He's talking to Moses, and Moses says the staff. And
when I read that, I was like, you know what,
something as simple as the staff where for Moses is
tending sheep is leaning on it to sleep. God's like,
if you trust me not, that staff will not only uh,
you know, lead the sheep, It's going to lead the people.
It's going to lead millions of people. You trust me,
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that staff is going to part the red seas. And
I see that as you know, trusting God with your gifts.
And if you trust God with those gifts, then you
can do some amazing things, but you have to fully
believe in it and fully trusted it. So that's the
the journey I've been on is just you know, through
my own probably hardheadedness, is learning to say, embrace the
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gifts that you have, whatever that is, and try to
be the best you can at it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So that's where I'm at now.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I love that you use that analogy. And if you
don't mind me asking what was your burning bush more?
What was that moment where you had to be reminded
of the staff? In your hand. Did you have a
moment like that?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So it was it was years ago. I was, I was,
I was, I was down.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
I mean, you know, it's it's sometimes it's hard being
the man. But then you're not achieving what you think
you're supposed to achieve. So even though in front of everybody,
you look like you're all that, but deep down.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Inside you feel like almost like an imposter, like why
am I here? What am I doing?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
And I'm sitting there and I'm praying, and I'm like, God,
what am I supposed to be doing? And I finally
I did a children's book. My first children's book was
was My Boys and Terry Crews did the all Work.
And so I had looked at it again and I'm like,
you know what, it's just sitting there. This is a
good book for people. I know the reason why I
did it. And I'm praying to guy and I call
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up Terry and he's now a movie start and he's
doing well, and I'm like, Terry, you know, I want
to do this book again, just to get it out.
There are a lot of kids who probably need to
see themselves this care aracters and do it and it
just all just started kind of piecing together and he's
ter was like, I'll pay for everything.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Let's get this thing done.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Another friend of mine called up out of nowhere and
he's like, you know, I got this augmented reality company
and we're going to you know, if you want to
do something. I was like, well, let's put the augmented
reality with the children's book, and you know, things happen,
and I was like, wow, man, you know that's the
gift that I have. Then I start using and then
I have to get out my own way because then
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I was like, man, I don't want to be known
just as a children's books writer. And so, you know,
fast forward to now, it's kind of like, be good
at what you're good at. Don't don't worry about the title.
Just understand that's the gift. So I think it's you know,
sometimes we think it's a lightning bolt and a moment
that's going to change everything. A lot of times it's
a journey and some of those lessons along the way
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of the very things that you use to make you,
you know, what you're supposed to be in the future.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Ken.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I appreciate you sharing that story because I think a
lot of people forget, like especially somebody like you, Like
I just with an at a charity event with you,
and you are just this massive presence, right, massive smile.
You're this big old dude, And I think people when
they see that, especially on the field, and so much
that you accomplished on the field, they forget about the human,
about the things that the human has to go through.
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But I also like being in this position to remind you, man,
what you played seventy four games in the Burgunie and Gold.
You ended with forty one and a half sacks. Again,
that's sixth all time. So even though a lot of
times the brain and our human side will let us know, hey,
maybe we didn't do enough, maybe left someone on the table, Ken,
I'm here to tell you didn't leave nothing on the table.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You can't control team success all the time, but what
you did on that field while you were hearing the
Bergnie and Gold, you left it all on the field.
And I truly feel like that's why you're so appreciated
and so loved, and I just hope you feel that.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
I hope you You know, one of the things that
I think for a lot of people, sometimes you got
to learn to appreciate and accept the gifts and the
blessings that you have. And sometimes we could be our
own worst enemy that we get in our way. Instead
of looking back and saying, you know what, I did
do that, and I do that now, I look back
and say, man, I'm on the ring of fame, and
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not in a cocky way, not in that I'm better
than anybody, but I'm like, man, I did that, and
I did have a good career here, and I did
play well here, and I gave it all I had here,
and so don't not get and say, oh, I should
have and I would have, and I could have just
embrace it and say, man, this was a great time.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
And you know, maybe there's some things to learn, but
this was this was special. And how many people, in
the wildest dreams ever get a chance to do what
I did.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And that's that's what I embraced now.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
And you did it, and you accomplished it, and you
earned it as well.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Ken.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
We appreciate you so much for being so honest and open.
And one last question for you, brother, when it's all
sat and done, when fans are in the barbershop and
they're talking about Ken Harvey hundred years from now, thirty
years and at fifty whatever it is, How do you
want Ken Harvey's time in Washington to be remembered?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
How do you want to be remembered? You know?
Speaker 6 (32:01):
What the cool thing would be if somebody was talking,
somebody was in the barbershop and they were talking about
some of the old greats, and then some kid comes
in was grown man now and he's like, yeah, I
barely remember. I kind of remember him with football, but man,
I remember him coming to my class and reading to
some books, to my reading books to me when I
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was a little kid.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And man, that that changed my life.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I saw, I saw this big like you said, this
big guy, huge guy and big old eyes, look scary,
you know.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And and when I heard him read and.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I saw him having fun with us, that made me
think anything is possible, and don't be afraid of who
you are and what you can do.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And so that to me would be the greatest thing. Uh. That,
And and the.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Fact that hopefully if someone meets my kids and they say, man,
you know you guys.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Are great people.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
I know that hopefully them being great people has a
lot to do with me and my wife and that
be the coolest thing, because you know, if anybody think
anything good of me, it's because my parents, my mom
and my dad, who am just sacrificed so much and
hopefully made me into a good person that you see.
You know, hopefully I'm passing that seed on down to
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my kids and my.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Family, and Ken, you definitely are. Man.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
We were passing out turkeys and I had my little
man with me, and you took the time to you
ain't know who he was. You took the time to
show him love, gas him up a little bit, make
sure he was handing out turkey. And but you were
doing that with everybody, right. Was it just because you
know me or I worked for the command.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
It wasn't that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It was that is the energy and presence you have,
and we just appreciate that so much. I'm sure so
many people remember you from the community service, the things
you do, like you said, showing up to schools because
a lot of us weren't even alive when you were
in your heyday doing all those things.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So it's just can I say it's one thing I
don't I know you run out of time?
Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, Ken, you good? We got all the time in
the world.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
I went to the Pro Bowl, my first pro bo
and I brought my dad and there was a player
and I forgot the player, but it's a player in
the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
And my dad was like a huge fan and I
went up to him. I was like, hey, man, my.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Dad's a fan of yours. Would you mind just saying
hello to him? And he went up to my dad
and he's like, hey, mister Harvey, how you doing, blah
blah blah. And I saw my dad become this little kid,
and it's like, oh man, he talked to me.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
He knew my name, you told him everything. And I
was like, no, Dad, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I knew your name. And my dad was like this
little kid.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
And I saw that and I was like, wow, that's
the fact that players can have on someone's life. For you,
it's just a moment, but for them it could be
you know, this thing. And I was like, you know what,
I want to treat everybody hopefully that way, you know
that they can have a good time.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
I'm awkward at times, you know, sometimes I don't know
what to say to people because you know, it's whatever.
But I try to hopefully make sure people have a
good time because you know, I don't take it for granted.
You know, we get a chance to do things. I
get a chance to do things that a lot of
people don't do. I sometimes take for granted that I
could go to a foot ball game. You know, there
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are millions of kids, a lot of kids who can
never get that chance. And so now I'm just trying
to do what I've seen other people do to me.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Can we appreciate you because again, you don't owe anybody
that right. You could go off being floored in Miami
right now, chilling on the beach, but you take your
time to make this place home, to give back to
your community and just give back to everybody you me.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
I never think I've ever seen you not smiling.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Ken, We appreciate you so much for taking the time
to jump on next mid up, next time we got
to get you at the studio, Man, I feel like
your presence would be amazing in this studio. Can and again,
just thank you for all that you do and that
you continue to do, not only for the DMV, but
just everybody who come in contact with Brother. We appreciate you.
Appreciate you, man, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Come maand this family, our Next Man Up. Ken Harvey,
appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Command Is Family. We hope you enjoyed this episode of
Next Man Up. Remember you can stream all of the
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Speaker 5 (36:19):
I'm Brankovi Jr. And this is Next Man Up.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
This show was filmed at the Big Bear AI Command
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for a rapidly evolving world, proudly protecting the Washington Commanders
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