July 7, 2025 • 25 mins
You've never met someone like Grainne! She oozes personality, and her infectious energy will have you smiling ear to ear.
A number of years ago she booked a one-way ticket to Australia, and never looked back! But this pole-dancing, author is concealing something, and although it may not be the best kept secret, it's the reason she will never leave the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Well, well, well, look who it is.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's me the gorgeous at Simone, and I am back
and ready to.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Spill some tea.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Joining me today is well, I don't know, and that's
kind of the whole point. Some random person waltzes in
here and I try and figure out what makes them
interesting because they are hiding something that makes them exceptional.
This is concealed with adzemone. Let's roll the time, please act.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
My name's doctor Gronia Cleary. I'm originally from Dublin, Ireland,
and I have a PhD from Trinity College, Dublin. I
came to Australia in two thousand and five and have
been involved with Sidney University, you and a w and
Deacon University right now. I like to write books and
I'm also a fairy king pold answer and look nothing
more than a thirteen on a long heart still after
(01:00):
a long day of writing. But I am concealing something
that at times can be a bit of a burden.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
How I, Gronia, how are you very well?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
And I'm so.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean we have to start on the highlight, which
is pole dancing. First of all, that was avid pole dancer.
Have a long, hard steel poles to swing around.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It changed my life. I discovered it at forty when
I left academia. Yes, and I like, I never did
any gymnastics. It's like completely so badly coordinated, never danced.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, I just fell in love with it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yes, fell in love with the challenge. And it took
me like years to invert.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Whereas when you put your legs on, yeah and all that,
but I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It is so athletic, it is all those girls make
it look so and boys make it look so easy,
but it is a slog. And then once you've got
those really high crystal cracker heavy shoes and you've got
other whites that you're trying to deal with, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, and they all add they act as atoneers for
your legs because of like weights on your legs.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
So yes, you're learning to walk.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
In the hills and dance in the hills, but you
don't always have to wear them. You can do the
tricks without this. And it took me years to get
the strength. You're starting at forte, I had no strength.
And then building and building with all these beautiful women
as well, and you do y'on the poland you're in
pain and you don't feel sexy, but you point those
and you give you a smile and.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And you've got burns.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Bruisy, like, oh my goodness, can you do the I
love the girls that can that like clap the together?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Oh yeah, and we do that all together.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So when you're dancing, now, this is getting hot and sexy.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
At ten am I studio with the blind and peak
like and we're all the dumb and that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He'll yes, oh yeah, you like to write books. You
have your academia. You're very well, very smart, Brian, what.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Not so much with the young academia.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I'm dyslexic and have dyspraxia, so I never could speak
the language of the academics, and that didn't exactly warm
them to.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Me because I always spoke very simple, simply. I remember
once being told.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
During my PhD, will you stop speaking so cloquial?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And I went, Okay, what does cloquial mean? Why can't
you just say it simply? So yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So after years and years of trying to you know,
making academy and the bullying and the snobbery, I was like,
I'm talking to my people, write the book. Go straight
to the source. You know that's where the power is
in the people. Yes, and I saw the pole dancing
to give myself another outlet besides just work, work, work,
And yeah, totally changed my life.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You've just seized up your hair a little bit bigger
in hair envy for me. You have three weeks sitting
on my head, so it is a bit hard to
compete with me. But all I did was hang upside
down on a pollen hairspray it. So, yeah, I think
maybe we are one of the We're in tune with
each other. And you've got ic DC's shirt on, and
(04:13):
the piece of resistance is your ink. Here we've got
a series of birds. Oh, we've got a cockatoo, a pigeon,
an ibis or gala, and I don't know what that
one is. Yeah, that finch, Maggie. More keep popping up
the more I keep looking. Oh my goodness, And.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
When I get to know you really well, I'll show
you my budger.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You stop at your naughty girl. Oh you actually have one.
It is a euphemism and also a fact that you
have a badger down below.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
My god, We've we've already just feel like I already
know you, okay, So what are we to do is
ask you three questions, and from the answer to those
three questions, I have to try and see figure out
what you are concealing from me here today.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So first question, all right, of all the things you've
done in the world, pole dancing, book, growding, what do
you think the most adventurous thing you have done?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Is?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, without a doubt, it was me and my husband.
I submitted my PhD into Trinity on a Friday, me
and my husband one way tickets to Australia.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We brought our cat I know, and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The face of species into Australia anyway knew. No one
had never been here before, had no jobs, and Jen
came over and just started together. The best decision we
ever made. But that bloody cat a year to the day,
a year when Australia the fucon would miss it and
never showed his face again.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Thanks for the free ride, and I'm fine. You go
live your life. Oh well, wherever youone was your cat's name,
Freddy Freddy? Wherever you are, I hope you're having the
time of your life.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Exactly native species you know?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And what about what's your favorite noise next to the
heel clap.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yes, but you all do it together.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It would be birds song, all the different sounds we
hear when we're out and about, especially in the urban areas.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And question number three, who would you say is the
most misunderstood villain in history?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I would have to say those per birds and Alfred Hitchcock.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The birds they would never do that behave. They're not
even predators.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
They could have gotten some eagles, but no, they were
just you know, they're just covids.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Just cross.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So clearly the overatcheing thing we have here is birds.
But with that information, I'm not sure what I had
to piece it together? Or are birds? You really love birds?
But what could be something to do with birds?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well you must specialize in birds? But what are you?
What's a title I could give you besides the bird lady? Well,
I'm going to say, are you a bird lady?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I am Australia's most passionate person when it comes to
why do birds do what they do? If you ever
see a bird and taught what are they doing? What
are they saying? I know the answer. I'll give it
a bloody good guess.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
An educational guess so you are the ultimate bird lady.
If I have a question about birds, you should be
able to help me out hopefully.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, why do they fly?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm so, how do you end up with the title
of Australia's most pasionate person when it comes to birds?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I know everything there is to know about behavior of birds.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I've been stood in them probably for the last now
god nearly ages. I ran multiple citizen science projects looking
at how people interact with birds in the back garden
when they feed birds, and that led into writing books.
My first book, Your Backyard Birds, It's all about how
people interact with birds in their back garden. My second
one is why do birds do that? And it's questions
(08:12):
and answers to every question you have.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
About a bird.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And my next book is called Why the Birds Sing?
And that talks about the actual brain of the bird.
Do they show accepted functioning? What's the memory? Like?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Do they sleep? What do they dream when they sleep?
Do they dream?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
All this kind of thing about bird song. You know,
it's like grammar or they actually saying something. Are they
asking each other? They having a conversation?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
These things. So I'm really excited about that book.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
But I like that you said, just then you know
about the colloquial side of it. Your book titles are
to the point, and that makes it perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Where's all this love come from?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I actually before he went into birds, I was
working with qualas and I was getting people around Australia
to count qualus for me because we're trying to get
a population density and find out where they are because
a lot of qualites are on private land, so we
can't monitor them unless landowner tells us.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
My god, it was like pulling tate. There was no
passion for the poer quality.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's such a political animal in the conservation body world.
Because you know you have a quall on your land,
you can't cut down the tree, and if you're a farmer,
you might want to remove that tree, so there's all
this legislation. So I was listening to the public. This
was true citizen science, and I kept seeing the passion
for the birds.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
So I started a study looking at the use.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Of water bird bats in the back garden and how
people interacted with birds through that and people's passion and
the photos they would send me, and I would get
such avy and you can't help but feed off their excitement.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, and they would start asking.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Me questions, the big question being should I feed birds?
And if I do feed birds, what should I feed them?
And do one for the education around that, because BirdLife
will often just say no, don't feed. That's not very
useful if somebody's going to feed. So you need education
and just the people's passion for it, and they're wanted
asking me questions, and I would drive my own interest.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And that's where the first book came from.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
After running that study, all the stories they told me,
I put into a book and explain the behavior of
why the birds were doing what they would doing. And
in the meantime I kind of got a gig, do
you know Once a week jumped in on a show
that a woman was running dish on an ABC morning.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Show, and I did bird questions.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They would ask and somebody would ask me questions and
I would answer each week, and I slowly wrote why
do birds do that? Because it was just the questions
people asked the book And one of the biggest questions.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I got asked was well, why do birds sing?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And I answered that, you know as well, in marking
territorial that trying to track the mate, and they kept
asking me.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I was like, there has to be more, like why
are they singing?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And got me really thinking and then I saw that
you know, well, corvids are songbird, but why don't they sing?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And why do some birds sing better than others? And
you know, and how do they rehearse? And do they
listen to what they're singing? And do they know when
they make and all this and that just drove my
own knowledge, you know, and I wanted and you just
read You're like, oh my god, this is fascinating and
I have to tell someone.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
So you write it down and you put in a book.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, it's just it's that you've got the ultimate special
interests like those game shows. We have to come up
with your prepared interests. But you'd you I bet you'd
fight them though, because they'd be like, no, the answer
is this.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You're like, well, actually actually, and.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
People, oh yeah you do.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I'll be down again.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You'll read a paper where somebody will say something You're like, no,
that's wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I don't really done anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh you thought you'd learn everything there is to know
about birds? Not even close gren you is about to
shatter your beliefs about one of Australia's favorite birds as
a gruesome murderer and exposed to the dirty, cheating birds
of the animal kingdom.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Naughty.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Okay, so we're here with growing here Australia's most passionate
bird person.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Now you've mentioned you like birds and bird sounds. I
want to know what is one of your favorites.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The magpie lark, So we often hear them. That's the two,
the two the dueting that you do really really loud.
Now we would have taught that that was for mate
garden where the male sings and the female replies and
that really reaffirms that bond. But when the magpie lark
wants to ensure make guarden because the daddy needs to
(12:27):
know he's the daddy. The mammy knows she's the mammy,
but the male magpie will put in as much work
into raising a young as the mammy, so he needs
to know that he's not the daddy, that he's the
daddy and it's not the neighbor. So he has to
guard her. So he's not guarding her because he loves her.
He's guarding to make sure he's the daddy because they
put in as much infestment as the mammy. So what
(12:50):
he does is not the dueting that reaffirms the bond.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
When she's fertile.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
He won't let her out of his size, is in
your mind she needs to. He follows literally watches her
until she stops being fertile and he knows he's the
daddy and she can then kind of leave his sight.
So if you ever watch them and you're watching them
to get and the male seems to be pursuing the female,
I'll come seech.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, that's what's probably going on.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So it's not as sweet as people make it sound.
He's fully stalking his property. Yes, that's my and I
want to make sure that's mine exactly. I'm not putting
in the effort. If it's not not the daddy. Well
I made that's a very fair assumption. I maybe does
have a stalker chat to it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
But the other one, yes, the other one was the ravens.
We hear around Melbourne that what does that mame?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
What the hell is going on there?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, it's ravens communicating to each other, usually to get
other ravens to come to them to help them scavenge
on food. So if you listen around Bindi, you'll often
hear them calling. What that fala is doing is saying,
I found a bin. I think I see the carcass
of a chicken. I just need some help. Lat and
the other race evens kind of identified that individual. Do
(14:02):
we know who that is? Have we helped him before?
They wasn't really a chicken?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Here? Is he worth actually going for?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And they can tell that just from that ca So
it's not just random. It's actually saying, hey, it's Bob
and from Richmond, I really.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Need some help.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Then that's from Parting's word are like, yeah, he's all right,
let's go. Because the more ravens there are, they're less
likely that another bird will run them off, so they'll
all kind.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Of forage together. Because ravens will rarely kill their own food.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
They usually steal food and steal food you gotta work together.
So we have that image of ravens following wolves and
that's usually to scavenge, so they don't often kill their
own food.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So you're clearly very passionate about.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I know, what would be your top three birds that
you're most passionate about.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It would have to be the magpie. Yes, the Australian magpie.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
He's gone on the cover of my next book, my
last two. They put on fucking fairy rounds this year
and I want a magpie.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
That give me these bloody rents.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Do you think the magpie has a bit of stigma
against it?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, the media and yeah, I've done such media form
and they usually start like.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's whoop and season, keep your children in you.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Oh my god, I put off when I like.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
The magmat The.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Cockatoo, the Sulphie crassy cockatoo would have to be one,
I think.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Is that the yeah, yeah, yeah, appoint him and you
know what one of the first.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
It would be tossed up between.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The cebra finch because he's done so much for science
in terms of understanding the brain.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
But the ibis is such a surviver.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That bird might have gone extinct because we destroyed this
natural habitat and it had to either lie over and
die and go extinct by the power of the white man,
or it's adapted.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So it adapted Sydney and moved into your area. It
eats in your bend, takes your trash. Would you destroy
this happening?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You're the one to blame. Well, that that brings me
to the question.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
One of the most misunderstood birds, because magpie is get
a bad rap ibises do you know, infamously called binge
and even the selfie.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, even I love an wonderdog.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Even pigeons, I feel get a really bad rap that
they're just the sky.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
That's such. Can I curse?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yes, that's just fault shit.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yes. Every First of all, every pigeon you see on
the street, the domestic dove, they were released by humans.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
They were not here before we introduced them.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
The white men introduced them into Australia and we domesticated them.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
They were one of the first animals.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We domesticated that pigeon you see walking around the street,
and he was he kind of co falved with us.
As we develop society, we ate them, We use them
their feces for manure, for first lighter, we use the
feathers to keep ourselves warm.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
So we've really used that bird.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And he's just fallen out of fancy at the moment,
So now we see him as being dirty and discussing.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
No, the SCENTI little beans wouldn't be here if it
wasn't for us.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm just I just want to eat talk about a
cooko bar, because I love cooking bars.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I've got a story about. Okay, cooker bars really cute.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
The babies, the little babies are born, they're born with
a hooked bill, right, and that is solely for the
purpose of killing their siblings. Mommy and daddy cooko ber
are let the babies work it out because there's now
not food to go around. So the third one is
usually killed. It's called siblings side. And I actually involved
(17:32):
a little hook to get the young by the neck
and kind of yeah, I'm killing and suck it out.
So they're quite vishes and it's and this is what
keeps me here. So even though you know, no family,
I have no kin over here, no can two birds,
just me and my husband, and we just love it.
It's that the wildlife. You're such special wildlife over here.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I was talking about this the other day.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Ow flora and fauna is so bizarre and alien looking,
but it's so interesting and there's so like, so many
amazing colors and textures and shapes and everything.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We're in this crazy little.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Alien land over here, and what isn't exciting about that?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And to be an ecologist and work in this country
and to work with the birds. I can imagine if
I grew up here as a child like I would
have just been blown away by the birds. Like I
think I've ended up where I've always meant to be.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So you talk about, you know, we shouldn't be meg
powers are sweeping, but are there some birds we should
be scared of?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Actually scared off of your life now? Now?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Probably the one to kind of watch. Ones like the
Indian miners. So that's your brown fellow with the black
eye the yellow legs, So he's, you know, a real
trouble maker for our native speech, especially on native parrots
because they compete over hollows, and the miner will actually
like kill the rosella chicks like they areious.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
They are vicious. So things like minor trapping where the
council will actually trap them and remove them.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's really good, but we have to just change the
dropped your the vegetation to try to keep them not
so prominent in the urban area.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
But they're they're a concernal right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And what bird do I remind you of?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Because I feel like a bird sometimes because I'm you know, pretty,
I like to pray and I like to you know,
I love a bit of blean what bird I.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Taught peacock, I would definitely think pecock, No, it could
because of the blue you're wearing as well. But the display,
the proud of the display, and that those fatthers are
they shake.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They love it. They put on a show. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And that's the male shown off the strength of his fatus.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's because the boys, and you know they're basically drag queens.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Yeah, exactly, when they got a shaky they don't.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
The fatas go away much like the boys themselves.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Is that common for all birds or other ones like
to flip around and visit hollow hollow?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Well they do.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And one of the biggest culture is the superb fairy ren, that.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Little cute, little blue one.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So he will be socially monogamous, which means he'll stay
with the same female, but he'll go around cheating with
the neighbors. But he also knows that his missus might
be doing the same. Now the difference is and they
and he'll hold up a little flower, do you know
the story.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
So he's superb fairy ren. He's got the blue top
and he's the black bottom.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And if he holds up a yellow flower, a little
yellow flower that against his plumage is very obvious. So
that sounds a strong signal that I am sexually strong.
Look how proud I am. I am obvious to a
predator and I'm not a frightened. That turns on the
missus next door and she's like, all right, come on quick,
why she's why your one's got a head turn and
I'll do the business. And then he'll go back to
(20:42):
the missus and be all suki with and be like, hey, darling.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
This got your flo But really she's like, oh, where
are you gone?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
And so they did, and how they determine this, what's
doing genetic testing on the offspring in the nest and
the male wasn't the father, so per Fairy runs they
breed and family groups where the sons will hang around
and help mom, so they'll actually help feed the young
Daddy meanwhile marks the territory, so he's not actually actively.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Infesting a lot. So if he's not the.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Daddy, well as soon is the most of the work and
should miss this this happening, he's got his territory. But
the Magpielock, no, he's given as much as she is,
if not more so, he needs to know he's a daddy.
So you kind of see the difference. The face really
about how much the male puts in.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're very clever, they're very clever. They know what they're doing,
all right.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So because you're very passionate about the everyday average bird,
I'm going to play some bird calls and I'm going
to tell you what I think they're saying, okay, and
you need to tell me what they're actually saying. Okay, okay.
(22:01):
So I reckon that pigeon has just flown up a
tree and is going, oh, I'm so tired. That was
such a long flut. Can someone get me a bit
of water?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Please? Because I make that noise myself. Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
No, you're not, thank you for trying. So with pigeons,
they make that so spanding on the pace it's going.
That depends on how kind of sexually active the male
is feeling. So if he's so, if you ever hear
them and.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's like he's wants a geez, he's horny.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Mating call.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
So he's that slower one, So.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That means he's kind of more chilled down, just marking territory,
letting people know, you know, they don't actually follow your
minds by opening up the beak. It comes through that xophocus.
So you haven't watched pigeons their mouths are closed. It's
actually coming through kind of the neck. And then on
the speed they do, it gives the different messages.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And the big thing with old pageons, no matter where
they you know, I'm not talking about just this mostly
see in the street, but like the browns wings and
cressive pigeon is the bowing pageons thought of that family
is bowing for.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Kind of to entice the female.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The male will follow, puff out his feathers on his
neck and kind of follow her around by bowing.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And getting randier and loud.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Does that mean the ladies don't make much noise? Then?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I know she can, especially when she's on the eggs,
And but it's him kind of doing this sexual Yeah, yeah,
trying to impress her.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Look at me, look at my big bail.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, yep, yep, I reckon that magpie just got told
a really good joke and he's going but doesn't actually
think it's funny, but was just laughing to be polite.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
But I do like I do like that.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I wish I could say yeah, no, no, that sounded
more like a magpie that was kind of trying to warn.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Off a predator. That was like a god. That's kind
of like more track name sense.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So we're more used to that Caroline, and that Caroline
is a social bonding. This is our territory, this is
you know, this is our family, compared to the warbling,
which is a bird actually practicing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
So magpies have to practice their song.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
They learnt when they're who when you hit them by themselves.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
They're actually practicing.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And like us when we speak, when they make a mistake,
they hear it and they get a dopamine craction and
they actually then correct it and they're like, oh that
sounds better. Yeah, So they're listening to themselves. And when
you look at the posture of the magpie, he's not performing.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
It's not like Caroline's where.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
His body's and his NeXT's like look, yeah, it's actually
he's in a corner, he's in a train.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
He's just singing to himself practicing.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
That is cool.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And they have a prefront of cortex the way we do,
so they can show exact the function. My upcoming book bitches.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I had no idea what Gronna was concealing when she
first walked in here, and hey, she's Australia's most passionate
bird person, even if it's self titled to see the
two of us squawking.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Check us out on the socials.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
If you like this, Zepp, quick the follow button, otherwise
Ronia will set the birds loose on you.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
A concealed without Simone is an iHeart production.
Well, well, well, look who it is.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's me the gorgeous at Simone, and I am back
and ready to.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Spill some tea.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Joining me today is well, I don't know, and that's
kind of the whole point. Some random person waltzes in
here and I try and figure out what makes them
interesting because they are hiding something that makes them exceptional.
This is concealed with adzemone. Let's roll the time, please act.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
My name's doctor Gronia Cleary. I'm originally from Dublin, Ireland,
and I have a PhD from Trinity College, Dublin. I
came to Australia in two thousand and five and have
been involved with Sidney University, you and a w and
Deacon University right now. I like to write books and
I'm also a fairy king pold answer and look nothing
more than a thirteen on a long heart still after
(01:00):
a long day of writing. But I am concealing something
that at times can be a bit of a burden.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
How I, Gronia, how are you very well?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
And I'm so.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean we have to start on the highlight, which
is pole dancing. First of all, that was avid pole dancer.
Have a long, hard steel poles to swing around.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It changed my life. I discovered it at forty when
I left academia. Yes, and I like, I never did
any gymnastics. It's like completely so badly coordinated, never danced.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, I just fell in love with it.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yes, fell in love with the challenge. And it took
me like years to invert.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Whereas when you put your legs on, yeah and all that,
but I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
It is so athletic, it is all those girls make
it look so and boys make it look so easy,
but it is a slog. And then once you've got
those really high crystal cracker heavy shoes and you've got
other whites that you're trying to deal with, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, and they all add they act as atoneers for
your legs because of like weights on your legs.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
So yes, you're learning to walk.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
In the hills and dance in the hills, but you
don't always have to wear them. You can do the
tricks without this. And it took me years to get
the strength. You're starting at forte, I had no strength.
And then building and building with all these beautiful women
as well, and you do y'on the poland you're in
pain and you don't feel sexy, but you point those
and you give you a smile and.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And you've got burns.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Bruisy, like, oh my goodness, can you do the I
love the girls that can that like clap the together?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Oh yeah, and we do that all together.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
So when you're dancing, now, this is getting hot and sexy.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
At ten am I studio with the blind and peak
like and we're all the dumb and that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He'll yes, oh yeah, you like to write books. You
have your academia. You're very well, very smart, Brian, what.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Not so much with the young academia.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I'm dyslexic and have dyspraxia, so I never could speak
the language of the academics, and that didn't exactly warm
them to.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Me because I always spoke very simple, simply. I remember
once being told.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
During my PhD, will you stop speaking so cloquial?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And I went, Okay, what does cloquial mean? Why can't
you just say it simply? So yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So after years and years of trying to you know,
making academy and the bullying and the snobbery, I was like,
I'm talking to my people, write the book. Go straight
to the source. You know that's where the power is
in the people. Yes, and I saw the pole dancing
to give myself another outlet besides just work, work, work,
And yeah, totally changed my life.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You've just seized up your hair a little bit bigger
in hair envy for me. You have three weeks sitting
on my head, so it is a bit hard to
compete with me. But all I did was hang upside
down on a pollen hairspray it. So, yeah, I think
maybe we are one of the We're in tune with
each other. And you've got ic DC's shirt on, and
(04:13):
the piece of resistance is your ink. Here we've got
a series of birds. Oh, we've got a cockatoo, a pigeon,
an ibis or gala, and I don't know what that
one is. Yeah, that finch, Maggie. More keep popping up
the more I keep looking. Oh my goodness, And.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
When I get to know you really well, I'll show
you my budger.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You stop at your naughty girl. Oh you actually have one.
It is a euphemism and also a fact that you
have a badger down below.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
My god, We've we've already just feel like I already
know you, okay, So what are we to do is
ask you three questions, and from the answer to those
three questions, I have to try and see figure out
what you are concealing from me here today.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So first question, all right, of all the things you've
done in the world, pole dancing, book, growding, what do
you think the most adventurous thing you have done?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Is?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Okay, without a doubt, it was me and my husband.
I submitted my PhD into Trinity on a Friday, me
and my husband one way tickets to Australia.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We brought our cat I know, and.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The face of species into Australia anyway knew. No one
had never been here before, had no jobs, and Jen
came over and just started together. The best decision we
ever made. But that bloody cat a year to the day,
a year when Australia the fucon would miss it and
never showed his face again.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Thanks for the free ride, and I'm fine. You go
live your life. Oh well, wherever youone was your cat's name,
Freddy Freddy? Wherever you are, I hope you're having the
time of your life.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Exactly native species you know?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
And what about what's your favorite noise next to the
heel clap.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yes, but you all do it together.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It would be birds song, all the different sounds we
hear when we're out and about, especially in the urban areas.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And question number three, who would you say is the
most misunderstood villain in history?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I would have to say those per birds and Alfred Hitchcock.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
The birds they would never do that behave. They're not
even predators.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
They could have gotten some eagles, but no, they were
just you know, they're just covids.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Just cross.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So clearly the overatcheing thing we have here is birds.
But with that information, I'm not sure what I had
to piece it together? Or are birds? You really love birds?
But what could be something to do with birds?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well you must specialize in birds? But what are you?
What's a title I could give you besides the bird lady? Well,
I'm going to say, are you a bird lady?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I am Australia's most passionate person when it comes to
why do birds do what they do? If you ever
see a bird and taught what are they doing? What
are they saying? I know the answer. I'll give it
a bloody good guess.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
An educational guess so you are the ultimate bird lady.
If I have a question about birds, you should be
able to help me out hopefully.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, why do they fly?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I'm so, how do you end up with the title
of Australia's most pasionate person when it comes to birds?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I know everything there is to know about behavior of birds.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I've been stood in them probably for the last now
god nearly ages. I ran multiple citizen science projects looking
at how people interact with birds in the back garden
when they feed birds, and that led into writing books.
My first book, Your Backyard Birds, It's all about how
people interact with birds in their back garden. My second
one is why do birds do that? And it's questions
(08:12):
and answers to every question you have.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
About a bird.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And my next book is called Why the Birds Sing?
And that talks about the actual brain of the bird.
Do they show accepted functioning? What's the memory? Like?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Do they sleep? What do they dream when they sleep?
Do they dream?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
All this kind of thing about bird song. You know,
it's like grammar or they actually saying something. Are they
asking each other? They having a conversation?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
These things. So I'm really excited about that book.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
But I like that you said, just then you know
about the colloquial side of it. Your book titles are
to the point, and that makes it perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Where's all this love come from?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I actually before he went into birds, I was
working with qualas and I was getting people around Australia
to count qualus for me because we're trying to get
a population density and find out where they are because
a lot of qualites are on private land, so we
can't monitor them unless landowner tells us.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
My god, it was like pulling tate. There was no
passion for the poer quality.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's such a political animal in the conservation body world.
Because you know you have a quall on your land,
you can't cut down the tree, and if you're a farmer,
you might want to remove that tree, so there's all
this legislation. So I was listening to the public. This
was true citizen science, and I kept seeing the passion
for the birds.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
So I started a study looking at the use.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Of water bird bats in the back garden and how
people interacted with birds through that and people's passion and
the photos they would send me, and I would get
such avy and you can't help but feed off their excitement.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, and they would start asking.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Me questions, the big question being should I feed birds?
And if I do feed birds, what should I feed them?
And do one for the education around that, because BirdLife
will often just say no, don't feed. That's not very
useful if somebody's going to feed. So you need education
and just the people's passion for it, and they're wanted
asking me questions, and I would drive my own interest.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And that's where the first book came from.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
After running that study, all the stories they told me,
I put into a book and explain the behavior of
why the birds were doing what they would doing. And
in the meantime I kind of got a gig, do
you know Once a week jumped in on a show
that a woman was running dish on an ABC morning.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Show, and I did bird questions.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
They would ask and somebody would ask me questions and
I would answer each week, and I slowly wrote why
do birds do that? Because it was just the questions
people asked the book And one of the biggest questions.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I got asked was well, why do birds sing?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And I answered that, you know as well, in marking
territorial that trying to track the mate, and they kept
asking me.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I was like, there has to be more, like why
are they singing?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And got me really thinking and then I saw that
you know, well, corvids are songbird, but why don't they sing?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And why do some birds sing better than others? And
you know, and how do they rehearse? And do they
listen to what they're singing? And do they know when
they make and all this and that just drove my
own knowledge, you know, and I wanted and you just
read You're like, oh my god, this is fascinating and
I have to tell someone.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
So you write it down and you put in a book.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, it's just it's that you've got the ultimate special
interests like those game shows. We have to come up
with your prepared interests. But you'd you I bet you'd
fight them though, because they'd be like, no, the answer
is this.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You're like, well, actually actually, and.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
People, oh yeah you do.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I'll be down again.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You'll read a paper where somebody will say something You're like, no,
that's wrong.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I don't really done anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh you thought you'd learn everything there is to know
about birds? Not even close gren you is about to
shatter your beliefs about one of Australia's favorite birds as
a gruesome murderer and exposed to the dirty, cheating birds
of the animal kingdom.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Naughty.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Okay, so we're here with growing here Australia's most passionate
bird person.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Now you've mentioned you like birds and bird sounds. I
want to know what is one of your favorites.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The magpie lark, So we often hear them. That's the two,
the two the dueting that you do really really loud.
Now we would have taught that that was for mate
garden where the male sings and the female replies and
that really reaffirms that bond. But when the magpie lark
wants to ensure make guarden because the daddy needs to
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know he's the daddy. The mammy knows she's the mammy,
but the male magpie will put in as much work
into raising a young as the mammy, so he needs
to know that he's not the daddy, that he's the
daddy and it's not the neighbor. So he has to
guard her. So he's not guarding her because he loves her.
He's guarding to make sure he's the daddy because they
put in as much infestment as the mammy. So what
(12:50):
he does is not the dueting that reaffirms the bond.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
When she's fertile.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
He won't let her out of his size, is in
your mind she needs to. He follows literally watches her
until she stops being fertile and he knows he's the
daddy and she can then kind of leave his sight.
So if you ever watch them and you're watching them
to get and the male seems to be pursuing the female,
I'll come seech.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, that's what's probably going on.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So it's not as sweet as people make it sound.
He's fully stalking his property. Yes, that's my and I
want to make sure that's mine exactly. I'm not putting
in the effort. If it's not not the daddy. Well
I made that's a very fair assumption. I maybe does
have a stalker chat to it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
But the other one, yes, the other one was the ravens.
We hear around Melbourne that what does that mame?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
What the hell is going on there?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, it's ravens communicating to each other, usually to get
other ravens to come to them to help them scavenge
on food. So if you listen around Bindi, you'll often
hear them calling. What that fala is doing is saying,
I found a bin. I think I see the carcass
of a chicken. I just need some help. Lat and
the other race evens kind of identified that individual. Do
(14:02):
we know who that is? Have we helped him before?
They wasn't really a chicken?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Here? Is he worth actually going for?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And they can tell that just from that ca So
it's not just random. It's actually saying, hey, it's Bob
and from Richmond, I really.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Need some help.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Then that's from Parting's word are like, yeah, he's all right,
let's go. Because the more ravens there are, they're less
likely that another bird will run them off, so they'll
all kind.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Of forage together. Because ravens will rarely kill their own food.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
They usually steal food and steal food you gotta work together.
So we have that image of ravens following wolves and
that's usually to scavenge, so they don't often kill their
own food.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So you're clearly very passionate about.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I know, what would be your top three birds that
you're most passionate about.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It would have to be the magpie. Yes, the Australian magpie.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
He's gone on the cover of my next book, my
last two. They put on fucking fairy rounds this year
and I want a magpie.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
That give me these bloody rents.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Do you think the magpie has a bit of stigma
against it?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, the media and yeah, I've done such media form
and they usually start like.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's whoop and season, keep your children in you.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Oh my god, I put off when I like.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
The magmat The.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Cockatoo, the Sulphie crassy cockatoo would have to be one,
I think.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Is that the yeah, yeah, yeah, appoint him and you
know what one of the first.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
It would be tossed up between.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The cebra finch because he's done so much for science
in terms of understanding the brain.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
But the ibis is such a surviver.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That bird might have gone extinct because we destroyed this
natural habitat and it had to either lie over and
die and go extinct by the power of the white man,
or it's adapted.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So it adapted Sydney and moved into your area. It
eats in your bend, takes your trash. Would you destroy
this happening?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You're the one to blame. Well, that that brings me
to the question.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
One of the most misunderstood birds, because magpie is get
a bad rap ibises do you know, infamously called binge
and even the selfie.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, even I love an wonderdog.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Even pigeons, I feel get a really bad rap that
they're just the sky.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
That's such. Can I curse?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yes, that's just fault shit.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yes. Every First of all, every pigeon you see on
the street, the domestic dove, they were released by humans.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
They were not here before we introduced them.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
The white men introduced them into Australia and we domesticated them.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
They were one of the first animals.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
We domesticated that pigeon you see walking around the street,
and he was he kind of co falved with us.
As we develop society, we ate them, We use them
their feces for manure, for first lighter, we use the
feathers to keep ourselves warm.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
So we've really used that bird.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And he's just fallen out of fancy at the moment,
So now we see him as being dirty and discussing.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
No, the SCENTI little beans wouldn't be here if it
wasn't for us.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I'm just I just want to eat talk about a
cooko bar, because I love cooking bars.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I've got a story about. Okay, cooker bars really cute.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
The babies, the little babies are born, they're born with
a hooked bill, right, and that is solely for the
purpose of killing their siblings. Mommy and daddy cooko ber
are let the babies work it out because there's now
not food to go around. So the third one is
usually killed. It's called siblings side. And I actually involved
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a little hook to get the young by the neck
and kind of yeah, I'm killing and suck it out.
So they're quite vishes and it's and this is what
keeps me here. So even though you know, no family,
I have no kin over here, no can two birds,
just me and my husband, and we just love it.
It's that the wildlife. You're such special wildlife over here.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I was talking about this the other day.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Ow flora and fauna is so bizarre and alien looking,
but it's so interesting and there's so like, so many
amazing colors and textures and shapes and everything.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
We're in this crazy little.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Alien land over here, and what isn't exciting about that?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And to be an ecologist and work in this country
and to work with the birds. I can imagine if
I grew up here as a child like I would
have just been blown away by the birds. Like I
think I've ended up where I've always meant to be.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
So you talk about, you know, we shouldn't be meg
powers are sweeping, but are there some birds we should
be scared of?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Actually scared off of your life now? Now?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Probably the one to kind of watch. Ones like the
Indian miners. So that's your brown fellow with the black
eye the yellow legs, So he's, you know, a real
trouble maker for our native speech, especially on native parrots
because they compete over hollows, and the miner will actually
like kill the rosella chicks like they areious.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
They are vicious. So things like minor trapping where the
council will actually trap them and remove them.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's really good, but we have to just change the
dropped your the vegetation to try to keep them not
so prominent in the urban area.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
But they're they're a concernal right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And what bird do I remind you of?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Because I feel like a bird sometimes because I'm you know, pretty,
I like to pray and I like to you know,
I love a bit of blean what bird I.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Taught peacock, I would definitely think pecock, No, it could
because of the blue you're wearing as well. But the display,
the proud of the display, and that those fatthers are
they shake.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
They love it. They put on a show. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And that's the male shown off the strength of his fatus.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's because the boys, and you know they're basically drag queens.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Yeah, exactly, when they got a shaky they don't.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
The fatas go away much like the boys themselves.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Is that common for all birds or other ones like
to flip around and visit hollow hollow?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Well they do.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And one of the biggest culture is the superb fairy ren, that.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Little cute, little blue one.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So he will be socially monogamous, which means he'll stay
with the same female, but he'll go around cheating with
the neighbors. But he also knows that his missus might
be doing the same. Now the difference is and they
and he'll hold up a little flower, do you know
the story.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
So he's superb fairy ren. He's got the blue top
and he's the black bottom.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And if he holds up a yellow flower, a little
yellow flower that against his plumage is very obvious. So
that sounds a strong signal that I am sexually strong.
Look how proud I am. I am obvious to a
predator and I'm not a frightened. That turns on the
missus next door and she's like, all right, come on quick,
why she's why your one's got a head turn and
I'll do the business. And then he'll go back to
(20:42):
the missus and be all suki with and be like, hey, darling.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
This got your flo But really she's like, oh, where
are you gone?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
And so they did, and how they determine this, what's
doing genetic testing on the offspring in the nest and
the male wasn't the father, so per Fairy runs they
breed and family groups where the sons will hang around
and help mom, so they'll actually help feed the young
Daddy meanwhile marks the territory, so he's not actually actively.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Infesting a lot. So if he's not the.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Daddy, well as soon is the most of the work and
should miss this this happening, he's got his territory. But
the Magpielock, no, he's given as much as she is,
if not more so, he needs to know he's a daddy.
So you kind of see the difference. The face really
about how much the male puts in.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're very clever, they're very clever. They know what they're doing,
all right.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So because you're very passionate about the everyday average bird,
I'm going to play some bird calls and I'm going
to tell you what I think they're saying, okay, and
you need to tell me what they're actually saying. Okay, okay.
(22:01):
So I reckon that pigeon has just flown up a
tree and is going, oh, I'm so tired. That was
such a long flut. Can someone get me a bit
of water?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Please? Because I make that noise myself. Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
No, you're not, thank you for trying. So with pigeons,
they make that so spanding on the pace it's going.
That depends on how kind of sexually active the male
is feeling. So if he's so, if you ever hear
them and.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's like he's wants a geez, he's horny.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Mating call.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
So he's that slower one, So.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That means he's kind of more chilled down, just marking territory,
letting people know, you know, they don't actually follow your
minds by opening up the beak. It comes through that xophocus.
So you haven't watched pigeons their mouths are closed. It's
actually coming through kind of the neck. And then on
the speed they do, it gives the different messages.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And the big thing with old pageons, no matter where
they you know, I'm not talking about just this mostly
see in the street, but like the browns wings and
cressive pigeon is the bowing pageons thought of that family
is bowing for.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Kind of to entice the female.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The male will follow, puff out his feathers on his
neck and kind of follow her around by bowing.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And getting randier and loud.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Does that mean the ladies don't make much noise? Then?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I know she can, especially when she's on the eggs,
And but it's him kind of doing this sexual Yeah, yeah,
trying to impress her.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Look at me, look at my big bail.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, yep, yep, I reckon that magpie just got told
a really good joke and he's going but doesn't actually
think it's funny, but was just laughing to be polite.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
But I do like I do like that.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I wish I could say yeah, no, no, that sounded
more like a magpie that was kind of trying to warn.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Off a predator. That was like a god. That's kind
of like more track name sense.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So we're more used to that Caroline, and that Caroline
is a social bonding. This is our territory, this is
you know, this is our family, compared to the warbling,
which is a bird actually practicing.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
So magpies have to practice their song.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
They learnt when they're who when you hit them by themselves.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
They're actually practicing.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And like us when we speak, when they make a mistake,
they hear it and they get a dopamine craction and
they actually then correct it and they're like, oh that
sounds better. Yeah, So they're listening to themselves. And when
you look at the posture of the magpie, he's not performing.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
It's not like Caroline's where.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
His body's and his NeXT's like look, yeah, it's actually
he's in a corner, he's in a train.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
He's just singing to himself practicing.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
That is cool.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And they have a prefront of cortex the way we do,
so they can show exact the function. My upcoming book bitches.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I had no idea what Gronna was concealing when she
first walked in here, and hey, she's Australia's most passionate
bird person, even if it's self titled to see the
two of us squawking.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Check us out on the socials.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
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Ronia will set the birds loose on you.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
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