Work With Your Natural Rhythm: Human Design With Coach Katt

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're tuning into the Confident, Connected Leader
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your current professionalbarriers.
Your coach and host, Lisa Jeffs, will help you transcend
limitations and achieve newlevels of professional success
beyond self-doubt, sabotage andburnout.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to the show.
I am super excited to haveCoach Cat with me today.
We're in for a treat todaybecause we're going to be diving
into more into Cat's story.
I'm going to introduce her inone second, but I want to say

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first, cat, one of the most sucha powerful memory I have of you
, even though we only metbriefly at the Archangel event a
few months ago, was an instantenergetic signature of this
woman walks her talk she's.

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You know, sometimes we go tothese events.
Well, I go to these events andyou can see that some teachers,
they, don't walk their talk Withyou.
Your energy is radiating somuch that you walk your talk.

(01:29):
You put into practice what youteach and I don't even know
fully the depth of what youteach, but I can tell you're
doing it because you have thispowerful presence, this energy.
But I'm sure you've heard thatbefore.
So I'm going to introduce youto all the listeners.
Cat is a somatic and humandesign coach.

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She is a mastery methodcertified.
She takes her clients on ajourney to embody their full
authenticity while integratingthe wisdom from their childhood
trauma.
Cat gently guides her clientsto the root of their sabotaging
patterns, empowering them to getunstuck and step into the
fullness of who they are,creating the life of meaning and

(02:15):
fulfillment that they desire.
Thank you so much for beinghere, cat.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Thank you so much, lisa, for having me.
And talking about radiance, youabsolutely have your radiance
and energy and style and it'sway that you just own the dance
floor, but stage maybe, I'm sure, dance floor as well.
Yeah, you are very authentic.

(02:42):
When we connected at theconference, I just enjoyed
authentically connecting withyou.
So then you stood out as one ofthose people.
So thank you for having me,thank you for those kind words
and I'm excited to dive in withyou today.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Amazing.
Thank you Right back at you.
So I was peeping we weretalking about this briefly
before we came on your Instagrampage and I came across a video
when you were describing yourmoves to Mexico, which is very
exciting because we met inToronto and I would love to hear

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more about your journey fromyou.
Know all I put this in as well.
When we met, you mentioned tome that you're you had just
started coaching, and correct meif I'm always about a year or a
year and a half, two years,something along those lines.
However, you had the energy ofsomeone who's been doing it for

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decades.
This is why I say you know youwalk your talk, so I would love
to hear more about the journeythat has brought you now to
Mexico.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yes, and thank you for that.
That means a lot coming fromyou, who is such an amazing
coach and who has been doingthis for much longer than me.
And yeah, my move to Mexico hasreally been such an embodiment
of you know what I preach andwhat I teach and really about

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following my intuition.
And you know, when I wasyounger, I, my intuition was
still there.
You know, sometimes I want tosay, oh, it was.
I was so disconnected and I was, and still it showed up and I
did listen to it at times.
But this move has really beenfollowing my intuition and

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slowing things down.
You know my In my human designand we'll get into that, I'm
sure I'm a reflector.
So it is about, you know,really waiting, like slowing
down is going faster.
And it took me about 10 monthsto decide where to move, like
from that first nudge from theuniverse of OK, I think it's

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time to leave Toronto, and so Ihad that nudge, and it took me
10 months to actually be like OK, it's to loom, it's Mexico that
I'm moving to and that process.
And it's hard to, especially inthis fast paced world and in
business, especially where youknow my old programming is doing

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is better than not doing.
You know, being still likedoing feels better than being
still, and so I've had a lot ofreprogramming of being
comfortable with stillness andreprogramming that actually, for
me, slowing down is goingfaster because when I make an
aligned move, that's when thesynchronicities happen and the

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flow and I meet the right personat the right time, and then it
goes so fast.
And so, you know, I was justopen to OK, it's, I feel like
it's time to leave Toronto.
I'd been in Toronto for overfive years, which is a long time
for me.
I used to jump around a lot inmy younger days and I just had

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this feeling like, ok, I want,you know, somewhere a little bit
more in nature, somewhere wherethere's a lot of spiritual
events going on and breathworkand yoga and Tantra and all of
these things that I'm very likeis my kind of growth path.
I hit this moment in time, butI didn't know where you know,

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and so I caught myself likeresearching places and going
into my masculine and trying todecide.
And I caught it, you know, andI was like, ok, slow it down, I
want this to be an intuitive,not logical.
And so I actually planned thistrip over the winter and I just

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been in Costa Rica and Guatemalaand the plan was to go to Tulum
and kind of feel into somespiritual places and see if any
of them called to me.
But before this trip I wasdoing a mushroom journey
actually, and bring this journey, and it was a very deep.

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I've had quite a few before andI use, you know, plant medicine
spiritually and to get insightsand connect and also used it
for processing trauma.
But at this session I was a veryecstatic journey and I got a
vision that it was to loom, youknow, and I saw myself and got
his clothing and the jungle intoloom and it was like that's,

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that's your place.
And for two days after I waslike, am I going to, like, give
my notice to my apartment thatI'm renting?
And like, am I actually like,am I going to do this?
You know, I was a little bitlike maybe I should go first and
like, check it out and feelinto it.
And then I really slowed itdown.
I was like, am I someone whomakes a logical decision, you

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know, or am I the one whofollows my heart and my
intuition?
And I'm like no, I'm someonewho follows my heart and my
intuition, I was like, ok, I'mgoing to trust and surrender,
because every cell in my bodyreceived that vision and I knew
that's the next step on myjourney, that taking that step,

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things in my business are goingto open up in ways I don't know.
Things in my spiritual path aregoing to open up in ways I
can't know or plan for from mymind.
And so it was a month before mytrip, and so I handed in my
notice.
I sold everything, I packed myapartments and did my travels.

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And here I am in Tulum with mykitty cat came with me as well.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
So yeah, that is incredible.
I would love to you know whenyou mentioned that you had that
first intuitive nudge.
You know, and you mentioned ittook you 10 months.
And I know people who've hadintuitive nudges and they've

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gone years without movingforward in that direction or
exploring it or getting lost inthe fear story.
And I've seen you talking a lotabout fear and saying yes
through the fear and movingforward.
I would love to know yourprocess and you shared a bit

(09:30):
about it.
Can we go deeper into you know?
Do you have a process offeeling fear and just saying yes
and moving forward despite thatfear or walking with the fear?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, and I love that you bring this up, because I
think there is a false beliefthat if something's in alignment
, there is no fear, or weshouldn't have fear, you know.
But whenever we are up leveling, expanding our growth edges,
you know, not in our comfortzone, there is going to be fear,

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because anything unknown isscary to the ego, is scary to us
, right?
So every time we're up leveling, we're changing, we're growing,
there is fear.
There is fear, there isself-doubt, no matter how good
you get.
That's not something that goesaway.
And I think that's so importantto normalize so that we don't

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think we should get to thispoint where there is no fear,
because I used to think that,right, oh, once I get to a
certain point, then I have thisconfidence and there is no fear.
But it's actually normalizingthat every time we're doing
something new, it's the unknown,there is fear and it's bringing
the fear with me, right?

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And so those first two dayswhen I was like, am I actually
going to do this?
There was a lot of fear, youknow, there was a lot of like am
I actually going to leave thisbeautiful home I'd set up in
Toronto and these friendshipsand all of this thing and there
was doubt and there was fear andit was coming back to the inner

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knowing.
You know, coming back to like,and so with intuition, it's
always coming back to like.
What is that inner knowing,that intuition?
And for me, the process has beendoing the small things first,
and so human design has reallyhelped me tap into my intuition,

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and it's called the humandesign experiment, because
you're not meant to listen towhat I say about human design or
what other people teachers sayabout human design or anything.
It's about experimenting withit in your own life and starting
small and you listen to yourintuition.
We all have different types ofintuition, we all have different
energies, right?

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So human design helps youunderstand what your energy is
and your intuition to what youalready know, but it just like
confirms.
And then for me it's helped meto really tap in tune in and
listen more to it.
And when I started small, it'slike oh, this works, like when I
, when I wait, and for me it's Iwait, and then one day I just

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know my intuition is like that'sit, you know.
But for other people it's theirgut intuition, for for someone
else it's their, their screenicvoice, a little voice that will
come.
So we're all different, right,and so the more I've listened to
my intuition, to my process,now I can, I've been able to
trust it.
For bigger things, like thismove to Tulum, right, I knew,

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don't rush.
For me, as a reflector, it's Ihave to be and we can all see
each other in these differentthings, but to not rush.
And and I've built up enoughtrust so that when the fear was
there, I could come back to myintuition and that inner knowing
was so clear and that I know,when I, every time I follow my

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intuition, it worked, like itdoes work, and I've had enough
feedback.
But for people, I think it'sreally important to start small,
to start on the small things.
When you, if you've beendisconnected from your intuition
, if you haven't been listening,don't like like doing a big
move or a big job change orsomething can be really scary,

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right, and it's hard to thenbring the fear.
But it's starting small, seeingthat it works, and then it's
like this beautiful snowballeffect that then I have more
confidence to listen to myintuition and then and I still
forget sometimes, right, likeeven being here, I've been like
trying to control, I've been inmy head a little bit.

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I've been planning, and then Icatch myself.
I'm like cat, like, oh, like,surrender, trust, flow, listen
to my intuition.
So I still have, like, I'mstill always a work in progress,
right, but I, every time Icatch it and remind myself to
follow my intuition, like Idon't need to fear, having

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control, right, but, but it'sbringing the fear with me.
There was fear on this move.
There is going to be fear everytime I up level, and it's for
me, it's, and it's usingpractices like and we're all
different, right?
So what practices work for youthat help come back to your
grounded center, right?
Some like recently I've beendoing a lot of breath work that

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just like drops me into mycenter right away.
Sometimes it's been anembodiment dance, feminine dance
, you know, sometimes it's ameditation.
But doing these practices tocome back to my center from that
grounded place what is myknowing?
And then bring the fear, notacting from the fear.

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And I think when I act from thefear, then it's not a good,
it's not a it's never goodoutcome, right, the fears
allowed to be there.
Right, it's trying to keep mesafe or protect me in some way.
Beautiful, I do want to be safe.
I do want to be protected, butthere's always wisdom so I can
use that wisdom.
But also coming back to myinner, knowing to be in the

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driver's seat, to be trying mydecisions.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I love that and you know I love it for the listeners
, who are a lot of highly drivenmindy entrepreneurs, business
leaders leading from the head,planning.
Ok, I'm just going to saycontrol freaks, because I was

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and still have to work through alot of that.
Do you?
And I want to get into humandesign right after this, but I'd
love to know your, because Idid see some of your videos with
you doing yoga.
You're doing your practices andI think one thing as we move

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into this, you know, thisevolution of earth and
consciousness that all of ushuman beings are going on, we
put, you know, intellect andmind and even mind.
You know the mind set, Likemindset is everything that you
think.
You know, five years ago thatwas just blowing up and it's

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like well, it's very importantbut it's not everything, because
we are so multi dimensional andone of the things I've seen you
know just my own growth andwith clients is this coming back
down into the body Now, reallycoming back down from the mind,
bringing that energy down,coming back into the body which

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we, so many of us, havedisassociated with because we
haven't felt safe or, you know,as women.
You know, a lot of my listenersare 40 and above and you know
the pressure.
I don't know if you remember afew because I know you're
younger.
The nineties, early latenineties, early 2000s was a very

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hard time for a lot of women inregards to their bodies.
Right, we had this, just themedia tearing apart of female
celebrities left, right andcenter, and a lot of women just,
I think, became totallydisassociated with their bodies
when more into their head andyou know the practice moving
forward is really feeling safe,our bodies.

(17:35):
Again, I would love to know doyou have any tips or practical
things to help business leaderswho are very much in their head
Come back down into the body,start feeling safe again body.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, such a good question and so relevant.
You know, and I think you pointout something really important
that that's such a key reasonwhy many of us are disconnected
from our bodies is not beingsafe in them, especially as
women.
You know, and for I wasdisassociated from my body, I

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mean up until I was 30, you knowmost of my life and you know I
had sexual trauma and you know,and, as you said, our
relationship to our bodies andso many women body ish, like
there's so many reasons right,and I mean so I'm a somatic

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coach as well and that'ssomething that's very powerful
is the practice of you know,when you're feeling anxiety or a
discomfort or fear is insteadof numbing, and we numb in so
many ways in society.
You know food and emotionallyeating, binging on Netflix,

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going on your foot like I wouldI never read the news, but I
would go on the news appwhenever I was like instead of
going into my body.
You know there's so manydifferent workaholism, working,
like all these different ways wedistract ourselves because no
one's ever taught us to feelright, because our parents

(19:15):
weren't taught by their parents,and so such, I think, pivotal
part on my journey was like thesomatic coaching of oh, there's
a sensation, and you know, I'vebeen, you know we have emotional
indulges and and avoiders.
Right, there's two types ofpeople.
So the indulgers get like loopin the story versus actually

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feeling it in the body and feelmoving it through.
So they loop in the story andfor hours and hours and hours
they'll be feeling this feelingbut they're not actually feeling
it, they're in their mind aboutit.
Then we have avoiders who justdistract, disconnect, numb to to
avoid feeling.
And when you actually can slowit down and you're like, ok, I'm

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anxious, what is what is thatfeeling in my body?
Is it a tightness in my chest?
Is there a rock in my stomach?
Is it like a tightness in mythroat?
Like what is the sensation inthe body?
And when you can breathe intothat sensation without the story
looping, it moves in 30 to 60seconds and this is being like

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scientifically, neurologicallyproven sinceations and motions
only last for 30 to 90 seconds.
I think it is.
If we actually drop in and feel, so, if it's still there for
longer, it's just feedback thatyou're in the mind versus in
your body and it's crazy.
It's like I remember my firstexperience of like I think I'd
been avoiding sadness orsomething, and it being for a

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week I'd been emotionally eatingand I was feeling off, but I
didn't know why I was feelingoff.
And then in a moment, I waslike, oh, I'm just feeling sad.
And I just dropped in and Ifelt the sadness.
And as soon as I felt it,without any story, just felt it
and breathed into it in my body,it passed and it was like, wow,

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you know, and then I was great,I was like back to my normal.
So it's, we have such a fear offeeling, and I used to have
such a, and I still avoid attimes because that's my old
pattern.
So, of course, sometimes Istill catch it like, oh cat,
this is what you teach, butyou're avoiding instead of
feeling.
But I feel it much more.

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And as soon as I can drop in andfeel, these things move and I
think so that's a really helpfulpractice of and, when you like,
have that experience.
It's not scary, cause I thinkthere's an.
I used to have this story of oh, if I feel the sadness, I'll be
stuck in the sadness, you know.
Or if I open this well, of pain, I'm going to be stuck in the

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pain, right.
So when you experience thateverything actually just wants
acceptance right, including ourfeelings, our emotions, when you
drop in and just open andaccept that they pass, and with
an experience that that createsa safety in the body, that it is

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safe to drop in and to be there.
So that has been something.
And somatic coaches that's whatwe do and we lead people and it
can be really helpful to be ledthrough it, but it's also
something people can do on theirown.
You're like breathing into andjust getting curious.
Another really helpful thing isyoga and nidra, which is not

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yoga, the physical flow.
You're kind of you're layingdown, but you, they, they name
parts of your body and it's likeyou feel your fingers, can you
feel your left shoulder, yourjaw, and so if you've been so
disconnected from your body,it's very helpful to slow it
down and actually start to bringfeeling back into your body.

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I remember when I first startedtherapy, my therapist would ask
me how do you feel?
And I would never know how toanswer her, like I was so
disconnected, you know, and thatwasn't that long ago.
When now I'm like oh, this, Ifeel this and I feel all of
these things, you know, so itdoesn't take long when we but a

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practice I did was every night Iwould journal how do I feel and
what, what are my needs, causeif we don't know what we feel,
we also don't know what we need,you know.
So just feeling and slowingthings down to get in tune with
ourselves, yeah, so those, thoseare helpful.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
A couple of things and we can go into more if you
want, but it's, it's we do.
We live in this society whereit's being very masculine,
dominated, right, and that, andwe, we do need masculine.
You know it's not that okay,now we just need feminine, but
it's, it's a balance, right, Abalance of the masculine and
feminine.
There is a place for masculinewithin myself, in the world,

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Absolutely, but we've beenliving in a dominated masculine
society culture.
So we've been very much in ourheads, in the logic, and it's
it's not taking that away.
Logic is beautiful, there is aplace for structure and using
the mind, but it's also nowbringing in the intuition, the

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feminine, the creativity, theyou know, all of these other
things and and meeting them, andit's a balance of both, you
know, on the micro and the macro.
So for me, within myself, in mybusiness, balancing the
feminine, the masculine and insociety, you know, and I think
that's a dance and it's it's apractice as well.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yes, I love how you said, you know, when we, you
know, we bring it back into ourbody and we give space and allow
to feel what needs to be felt,and it can dissipate or
transmute quite quickly.
You know it would be.

(25:19):
I had anxiety as something thatI had for years, right, and it
escalated to a point of justpanic attacks when I was driving
constantly.
I'm like, oh, I'm like this,you know, and I tried and I'm
not saying that that medicationis not helpful for for people,
because I was on it for a whileand it was helpful until it
wasn't helpful anymore.
And I'm like you know what Ineed to?

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I need to do something aboutthis because for one, it's very
unsafe Driving.
I mean, I was done with it andit was funny that I can't
remember who shared with mefirst, but I don't even remember
who it was.
But I was trying to stopresisting it Because, you know,
I mean you're kind of resisting.

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It's like, okay, let me do this, let me do this.
And it was like, okay, I'mgoing to stop resisting and I'm
just going to sit in and allowwhat my body is doing, just to
take notice and really feel intothat.
And it literally dissipatedlike that, and I was like, wait
a minute, that's all hope ittook.
And I, I have never gone backto that, that same place of

(26:26):
heightened anxiety, ever,because it just it comes and I
feel it and I give it space andit it dissipates.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, and I love that and I and it like, you have to
experience it to believe it.
You know, because you were likehow does that work?
And it's it's.
And my coach who trained me,you know she would always say
it's not our feelings that hurtus, it's our resistance to them.
Right, it's not feeling sadthat hurts me, it's my

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resistance to feeling sad thathurts me.
And whatever we resist persists, right, then it's stuck there,
whereas when you and so I and Ilove that and thank you for
sharing that story of likeactually just allowing the
anxiety and then it dissipatedand that's so powerful because I

(27:17):
know so many people strugglewith anxiety, a lot of people,
you know.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yes, yeah, it's really powerful when we start
connecting back into our, ourbody, and just what is this
processing like?
Like really just allowing thefull expression of life to flow
through us, which includesemotions, because we're in the
the planet of emotions.
We, we came here as humanbeings to experience this and we

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resisted so much because we'veyou know, we've grown up and we
haven't had that teaching fromour, our parents, because they
never got it to really have asafe place for these emotions.
So I love this.
Okay, I want to dive into humandesign because I know how

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powerful it is.
I'm not that knowledgeable inhuman design.
How would you explain humandesign to someone who has never
heard?
It Is like a business leaderwho's like what is this human
design and how can it help helpme?
How would you explain whathuman design is?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, it's.
It's a very powerful a partspiritual, part scientific tool
that gives you a roadmap to howto use your energy in a way that
is aligned for you, and itreally it's helped me.
It also shares, you know, likeyour specific gifts.

(28:52):
It's a roadmap to who youauthentically are.
So there's all these likepersonalities, my or bridge test
.
That's more about the ego, thepersonality, due to your trauma,
your upbringing, that thepatterns you have right.
Human design is about your soul,who you authentically are and

(29:13):
who your soul came here to be.
It incorporates many differentsystems.
Astrology is one of them.
I Ching the tree of life andI've, like you almost you have
to get a reading to like becauseI, you know, I've never been
super into astrology, you know,I've kind of been a little bit

(29:33):
here and there with it.
But human design just resonatedso deeply with me and when I got
my human design, it namedthings about me that I
subconsciously knew and wasjudging but hadn't ever named.
It gave me language to nameabout myself and it helped me

(29:54):
accept myself in a deeper way.
And it also helped me to use myenergy and I knew like I would
sometimes do it of like when Iwait at some point.
I just know.
But I wouldn't always do thatright Because I had the
conditioning of this fast pacedworld we're in and so I'd often

(30:15):
rust decisions and do thingsquickly and be off in all the
unaligned directions for me.
So it's really helped me totune into my energy and we were
all different.
The other thing I love abouthuman design is it's so nuanced.
It doesn't put you in a boxLike you can be an energetic

(30:35):
type but there, but then youhave certain gifts and there's
profiles and there's all ofthese nuances.
We are all unique and it's notmeant to be an outside in, it's
not meant to tell you on theoutside and be another outside
in approach.
It's called the human designexperiment because it's really
about and like I always tell myclients if it doesn't land like,

(30:59):
question it to see if it'sconditioning.
But if it doesn't land, don'tlisten to it, like, come back to
it, listen to the things thatland and you're like oh yeah,
that's me.
But usually everything landsLike for me and the clients I've
used it on, it's like oh yeah,that's crazy, how, oh, that's me

(31:20):
.
And it helps people to.
It's helped me.
It's helped my clients own mygifts in deeper ways and really
it's really helped with mybusiness Me using my strategy
and authority and human designauthority is kind of the word
for your intuition to guide youright, because we're all

(31:44):
different, and so for me, when Iwas expanding my business and
trying to figure out whatmarketing strategies work for me
, human design saved me, becauseI was doing the outside in
thing.
I was like, oh, this has workedfor this person and this person
is saying this thing, you know,instead of like coming inside

(32:05):
and, yes, listening to thepeople who have done it
absolutely, but always comingback to my intuition inside and
being like what resonates withme, what am I excited about,
what feels good for me, and thenusing that strategy and using
it in my business, things havejust flowed so much more
peacefully in that sense.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I love that and that's, I think you know.
One of the things I wanna talkabout is getting into that,
using human design to get intothat flow.
A lot of the clients that Iwork with again, they're very
heavy, very can be prone toburnout, work.
All is a some experience,challenges around, not knowing

(32:49):
which way to go, having clarity,so it's like I'm gonna try this
and try the object and this andthis, and then it's like, oh my
God, I'm so overwhelmed andnothing is working because we're
in this energy.
So can you?
We talked a little bit aboutthe like the main problem.
There's four, correct, there'sfour main problems.

(33:12):
Well, one's a subcategory ofanother, so yes, and talking a
little bit about them how theyshow up in the business world
for people and how people can,if they know their profile or
their design, how that can helpthem get into the flow.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, love this and love the way you phrase that,
because I think so many of usand there's so many marketers
out there who are like I, made100K this way.
So if you take my program,you'll make 100K this way and
it's it might.
It will for some people, butnot for everyone, because we're
all different and that's whyit's so important to come

(33:57):
inwards.
And so, yeah, let's dive intothe five types.
So we'll start with yours,which is the generator.
So there's generators andmanifesting generators, so
that's kind of the subtype, andgenerators and manifesting
generators make up 70% of thepopulation, so they're the

(34:17):
biggest group.
You are all the, you areenergetic beings, so you're like
the life force, energy.
You create energy when you dothings that light you up.
Generators will have burnoutwhen they, when they're saying
yes to things that are noose,when they're doing the shoulds

(34:40):
oh I should do this in mybusiness, because this person
did it and it worked for themVersus of all the marketing
strategies or sales or whateverit is you're looking into, going
to, and your gut is is theintuition for generators and
manifesting generators.
It's an important part.
So, from my gut, what lights meup?

(35:04):
What is a full body?
Yes, and if it's not a fullbody excitement, it's a no.
Like if the gut doesn't speakin maybes, in the gray, it's a.
If it's not a full body yes,and a full body excitement, it's
a no for you.
And so for marketing strategies, let's say it's that, of all
the different things, which oneare you excited about?

(35:26):
You know, and I love workingwith generators and manifests,
and it's so like human design.
It is really so simple.
And it's not right, cause ifyou have a lot of noose in your
world, it's it's hard to get ridof those.
So the deconditioning is, youknow, a generators and
manifesting generators have beenconditioned.

(35:47):
That you know, cause you allhave such beautiful hearts and
you're here to do good in theworld.
And the conditioning is I haveto self-sacrifice to do good
Right.
And so that's thedeconditioning is.
It's not about self-sacrificing, it's actually when you do the
things that light you up.
That's when you get all thisjuicy, bubbly energy that you

(36:10):
give the rest of us.
And I get energized when I'maround an aligned generator.
So when I'm around you doingthis podcast, that's lighting
you up, I get energized fromyour energy.
But if you were doing thispodcast in a not aligned way, I
wouldn't be getting any of yourjuicy energy.
So it's actually beneficial foreveryone when generators and

(36:34):
manifesting do the things thatlight them up.
Only it's always the best, it'snot selfish.
So it's a deconditioning thatthat's selfish, because and if
it doesn't, if it's not a fullbody, yes, for you that means
that there's someone else outthere who can help this person,
or there's, or this person needsto learn that lesson to be
self-sufficient to do it ontheir own.

(36:56):
So that's some of the you knowconditioning, and when you can
get rid of the nose, thatcreates the energetic space for
the yeses to come in, for theuniverse to send you the yeses,
and for generators it's about.
So the strategy for generatorsis to respond, so you don't need
to go out there and find thingsthat light.

(37:17):
You search for things thatlight you up.
Then you just they'll come toyou, and so you'll pass a
billboard.
If someone will mentionsomething to you or something on
Instagram will pop up, and yourstrategy is to respond.
And so when you see somethingthat excites you and lights you
up, do it, and if it doesn't,that's not for you.

(37:40):
And so in your business, withsales, with clients, with new
programs.
It's like it's doing the thingsthat light you up and giving
yourself permission to do thethings that are gut, full body,
excitement and yeses, and it cansound simple and the simplest

(38:02):
things of human.
I went like deep into all of itand then I came back to the
basics and human designs for thehuman design experiment, cause
when you implement it start tocreate the simple changes.
That's when you see.
And so for generators andmanifesting generators, it's
getting rid of some of thosenodes and saying yes to the

(38:25):
things that light you up and see, see what happens and be like,
oh, I have more energy or I'mnot as burned out, and then you
can get rid of some of thebigger nodes that are a little
bit hard to get rid of, you know.
So it's little steps at a time,testing it, seeing how you feel
, seeing the synchronicitiesthat happen, seeing how your

(38:45):
energy changes when you, justwhen you follow your excitement,
your full body, and then youcan like, slowly create a world
that is just full of yeses.
And that is when you have somuch energy and you're so
passionate, and that is not onlythe best thing for you, it's
the best thing for everyonearound you, right?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yes, yes, and I'm laughing because I know at any
time I do that and I have anaccountability coach that I work
with and she's always remindingme.
She's like you know, whenyou're doing all these things,
because she helps me plan myweek and she'll see, she'll be

(39:28):
like you know, when you're doingall these things that you think
you should be doing and youdon't wanna do it, and then
you're telling me that you'rereally tired and then nothing
flows.
And then when you're like, oh,I did this, it was so much fun
and I just put this out here andI got all these sales and I
just I'm like, oh yeah, okay,now I remember.
It's so easy when you're in it,when you're trusting, right,

(39:54):
those yeses.
The challenging part is thatprogramming that can come in and
it's like you shouldn't bedoing.
That that's you're being lazyand you're being irresponsible.
This is what you need to do,right, and it's really like
breaking away from that, thatlike dictator that we can get in
our brain.

(40:14):
That's saying that are youcrazy?
What are you doing?
What are you saying yes to that?
For we have work to do.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Absolutely.
And that's what I love abouthuman design is it's not about
becoming, it's literally tool tohelp you decondition the
shoulds and it's really helps mecatch like and every time I
catch a should, a should I needto, I have to, I question it,
it's like I choose to or Ichoose not to, and it's because

(40:48):
we all have this conditioningfrom parents, from society, from
culture, of shoulds, of I needtos, of I have tos.
And human design I love itbecause it's like Fuck those,
that doesn't matter at all.
It actually doesn't If we arenot.
I mean, all of our purpose isto be authentically me, for you

(41:13):
to be authentically you, andthat's the place we can deeply
share our gifts from.
And so it's a really powerfultool to really help me to catch
the sheds.
And they still.
They get more like the egoevolves as we evolve, so they
get sneakier, but I catch themand remind myself there are no

(41:35):
sheds, you know, and the processyou know.
So in the start we're so usedto doing things we don't want to
do or we think that we have todo right, and so it's a process
to and, as you said, like you,noticing your energy, how, when
you're doing things that are litup, like things flow, and when
you're doing all the sheds thatyou have to use, you're drained,

(41:58):
you know, and it's so.
It's slowing things down,noticing slowly getting rid of
some of the sheds.
It's not about doing it all atonce, right, because it's about
one step at a time and gainingthat trust.
They're like oh yeah, I have somuch more energy, like things
in my business are going so muchmore better.

(42:19):
Let me get rid of a couple moresheds, you know, or catching
them.
So it's a process and I lovethe way you articulated that.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yes, it's a process.
It really, you know, I can feelwhen I'm around other
generators who are lit up, itdoesn't even matter what they're
saying or what it doesn'tmatter, none of that matters.
It's the energy and you justwant to be around them because
you're like, oh, this person isreally just I don't know.

(42:49):
Sometimes you don't even knowwhat it is Like.
I really like being around thisperson and how I feel like I
want to go out and do stuff andbe motivated.
So it's definitely that processI like.
I love how you said.
It's like unbecoming.
Yeah, letting that go,especially for you know, the

(43:10):
high achiever group who you know.
A lot of us are doing all thesethings because there's, you
know, that little part of us isproving our worth through these
Climbing the mountain and andyou know, I used to have
conversations with my guides allthe time they're like, lisa,
it's not always about climbingthe mountain.

(43:30):
You don't always have to climbthe mountain.
Not everything has to be aboutclimbing the mountain.
So I would be like I reallywant to do that, but is that
going to get me to where I wantto go, instead of just being
like, hey, does this feel good,does this.
Feel fun.
Do I want to do this?
Yeah, it's, yeah.
Yeah, it's a lot of rewiring.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
So much rewiring and I love that you bring this up,
because often the way we, ourminds, think is going to get us
up the mountain faster is is notthe fastest way.
So actually, when you followthat juicy thing that you're
really excited about and let goof the should because you, your

(44:13):
mind thinks you're going to getthere faster, ironically you're
actually going to get to thattop of, you're going to get to
two mountains higher way, faster, in a way that your limited
mind could have never imagined.
Because by following the thingthat lights you up and you being
in your juicy, magnetic,charismatic energy, you meet

(44:34):
that person or you attract thatperson, just like you were
saying how you love, likegenerators who are lit up.
You can feel it.
It's an energy and also fromthat space, like you have ideas
that pop in that wouldn't pop inif you're feeling burned out
and run down and exhausted.
You don't have those creativejuicy.

(44:54):
So like, yeah, and that's theconditioning right, that
actually doing the thing thatfeels good is going to get you
to wherever your soul is meantto go.
That's way higher than themountain you're trying to climb
in your mind and way biggerbecause, like what we can
imagine from our minds is solimited, you know, compared to

(45:17):
the universe and what theuniverse has for us and what
we're actually capable of, right, like, the thing that limits us
is our mind.
Yeah, and I know it, you knowit.
And while we're in this humanbody, we're still going to be
limited by it, right?
So when we can just follow andfor generators and manifest and
generators follow what lightsyou up and see the magic unfold,

(45:41):
then you can trust it more andmore and more and more.
Because it is scary, right,when we're so used to being in
our minds and the logic and thisstep will get me there but if
you play with it and experimentwith it and then see the magic
and the synchronicities and youmeet the right person, then you
can trust it more and more.
So that's yeah, that's thebeauty of it.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yes, and I like, I love how you said at the
beginning you know, at point inyour life it felt better doing
than not doing.
Felt better doing and that'sthe trap we fall into.
Yeah Right, because we feelthat we just were doing, doing,
doing and we're not tuning in.
Hey, do I even like this?
Is this even enjoyable?
Oh, someone told me two yearsago this is what we needed to do

(46:26):
, and I just kept doing it, eventhough it's not working well
for me 100%.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
And that brings a very good point with manifesting
generators.
And the difference withmanifesting generators is their
very multi-passionate beings andfor them the deconditioning is
when they start something, theydon't need to finish it right.
So, and same for generators,but manifesting generators a lot
more.
They'll start something andmaybe you learn whatever you're

(46:56):
meant to learn from it withoutme to finish the thing.
And if it doesn't feel, if itdoesn't light you up anymore,
it's energetically correct to goto the next thing, to to finish
it.
Manifesting generators have alot of deconditioning, like oh I
, there's a linear path I needto follow.
I should go from A to B, butfor manifesting generators it is

(47:18):
not linear, it is all over theshow.
There is no A to B, and so it'sallowing yourself to, as soon
as you're not a full body, yes,allowing yourself to let it go
and to move on to the next thingand trusting that whatever
nugget you are meant to learnfrom, that you've learned and
it's going on to the next thing.

(47:39):
So it's a very important thingfor that.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yes, my daughter is a manifesting generator and she's
so multi-passionate.
Just, there's so many thingsshe wants to do and I think it
correct me if I'm wrong one ofthe deconditioning says that you
have to narrow it into this onespecific thing that you really
can be multi-passionate and haveall these different things

(48:03):
going.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Absolutely, and a really good example of a
manifesting generator is TonyRobbins, who has so many
different businesses and so manydifferent, and he can do it all
Right.
And manifesting generators arehere to show the rest of
humanity that we really can like, because the rest of us are
like you can't do it.
You can't do a million thingsat one time.

(48:25):
But manifesting generators arehere to show us what humans are
really capable of and for them,they're at their best when
they're doing many differentthings at the same time, and so
it's trusting that and givingyourself permission to do that
and to not need to finish things, to not be linear.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yes, what would you recommend to someone who, let's
say, a generator, a manifestinggenerator, or maybe this is only
for generator, but you know,when we're waiting to respond
and they're in a place wherethere's still work, where
they're still working ondeconditioning their programming
and they're you know they'rewaiting to respond, but they

(49:07):
also have a little voicechirping saying you gotta get to
work.
What are you doing?
You have a business to run.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, yeah, and that's the hard part, that is,
the hardest thing for generatorsand manifesting generators is
that like getting, as you startto get rid of some of the nose,
that small space, but there's alittle bit more space before the
yeses drop in.
It's very uncomfortable Forgenerators and manifesting

(49:39):
generators and I can relate tothat as well, because there's so
much conditioning in society todo, do, do, like, so fast-paced
.
So you know, I would say youknow, start small, like, get rid
of, like and test it.
But also a fun thing with humandesign and I don't know if all
of your listeners are spiritualor not, and, but whatever you

(50:02):
want but something that's beenfun for me is to like and Jenna
Zoe, who has it's called myhuman design, she has an app and
a website and she talks a lotabout it.
She's like tell, call theuniverse in, be like okay,
universe, I'm creating somespace like you send me an
aligned yes, you know, and it'skind of a way to play with the

(50:23):
energy and to be like okay, likeI'm getting rid of this.
No, so, universe, you send meyour source consciousness, god,
life, whatever you want to say,you know and and and test it and
start small and and and seewhat happens.
You know, don't get, maybedon't get rid of all of the noes

(50:44):
at the same time, because thenthat's going to be like too
scary for you.
It's like maybe get rid of one,but to get rid of a couple and
have the willingness to test andtry and see and to kind of lean
into the discomfort as best youcould.
And if you say yes to a no, seewhat happens, feel, feel the

(51:05):
fact that you get burnt outagain or the fact that you're
low energy, like maybe you needto to be like oh yeah, this
doesn't work.
Okay, so then the next time letme be in the open space a
little bit and you'll see.
Then the yeses will start comingand you use the more aligned
yeses, the more energy you have,the more you'll be able to

(51:26):
trust and trust your process,right, like when you say yes to
a thing that's a no for you,that's okay.
Like maybe that's the no thatyou need to learn to not do that
.
So it's like trust that you areexactly where you're meant to
be and it's a really aboutexperimenting and seeing for

(51:47):
yourself, right, not trustingthat you're trusting on someone
else says, but seeing foryourself and seeing how your
energy responds, and it's okay.
But we're gonna go, we're gonnamake mistakes, we're gonna go
back and forth.
It's deconditioning and it's aprocess, and just be gentle with
yourself through the process,because everything's a learning,

(52:11):
everything we learn.
So when we have the alignedyeses, we learn oh, that feels
good and we're out of alignment.
We also learn, you know, and Istill like, whenever, of course
got into linemen, I was like, oh, it's a destiny, this is where
I'm gonna be, you know, and it'sno, it's an ebb and a flow.
But now my, the times I'm out ofalignment are way shorter than

(52:36):
they used to be.
I used to go way off course andthen, you know, right now I go
slightly off course, I catch it,I'm out of alignment, I come
back, you know.
Then you go slightly, you know,that's a flow, like there's a
flow.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yes, I love that.
Can you tell me a little bitabout?
Because I have worked with someclients who are projectors and
there was a theme with theclients that they would get very
burnt out or very exhaustedwhen they said you know, I was
trying to follow this person'sstrategy and it was just waiting

(53:15):
through them for a completely,it was just completely out of
alignment for them and a lot oftimes the strategies were about
like you said, like you're goingout and finding it or going out
and doing it and really like dodo, put it out there, make it
happen, make it happen.
They're just like no, it didn'twork at all.
Can you tell us more aboutprojectors and what that, what

(53:38):
that energy is like?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Absolutely, absolutely so.
Projectors are 20% of thepopulation and projectors are
really the guides, the guides ofthe population.
So how I like to think aboutthem is are the birds that sit
up on the tree who have adifferent perspective to the
rest of the animals who arebelow and they're smaller, right

(54:01):
?
They're not meant to be thegenerators.
The generators are the biggeranimals you guys have.
You have life force, but, likethe energy energetic beings,
projectors aren't.
The rest of the energetic typesaren't.
So projectors aren't meant towork nine to five days, 80 hour,
60 hour work weeks.
That just doesn't work for themand it doesn't mean so.

(54:24):
It says like a few hours a daygiving their gifts, because that
doesn't mean the rest of thetime they're laying on the couch
, they're the guides.
So it's really about, like,what uniquely fascinates you.
What are you so interestedabout?
And that is the topic thatyou're meant to guide on, not
all the topics, but that is kindof your niche, the thing that

(54:48):
you're just so intrigued by,fascinated by, and so that, and
for a few hours a day, that'swhat you're meant to be guiding
others on, and the rest of thehours it's about learning,
reading, learning around thattopic, that niche that you are
specializing in, and thatactually energizes them.

(55:09):
But giving their energy byguiding is only a few hours so
and they get super burnt outwhen they try to be like
generators and work all theselong days, because that's just
not correct for them.
And for them, their strategy isto wait for the invitation,
because when they guide and giveunsolicited advice to people

(55:32):
who don't want to hear it andthey get rejected, they get very
bitter bitter as they're out ofalignment theme and so for them
it's like you've got to waitfor the invitation.
And it doesn't have to beverbal, like hey, can you guide?
Can you tell me about this?
It can be energetic, right.

(55:53):
Someone shows interest, isgenerally curious, but when
there's that invitation fromsomeone, then they're going to
receive the guidance and thenthey're not going to have that
bitterness.
So often projectors feel thisbitterness because they're
giving unsolicited advice topeople who don't want it.

(56:14):
So that's the thing.
And for projectors, it's aboutfirst seeing themselves as the
expert in this area, so thatothers can see them, and it's
about building the structure sothat others can see them as the
guide.
So sharing on your social mediaso that people can find you to

(56:37):
guide them in this way, orcreating your website and your
podcast, or having thosestructures in place so that
others can find you.
So it's not about doing nothingand just like oh, I'm just
going to wait here for people toinvite me.
So setting yourself up so thatothers can find you.
But also, first the magic isseeing yourself as the expert,

(57:02):
the guide in this area, so thatand then others will also see
you.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh, I love that.
Yes, and you know, I think whenyou were saying this, I'm
seeing my mother in my mindgiving unsolicited advice, my
daughter's like I didn't ask foradvice.
Yeah, it's so important to know, because when you know these

(57:31):
things, you can just really workwith them so much easier.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, and it's so beautiful in relations because
then you don't get frustratedwith people, right, and as the
projector, they get very bitter,low level frustration when
they're because they can seethings other people can't, and
when people don't want it theyget very, then closed off and

(57:57):
bitter, right, and the peoplealso are like I don't want your
advice.
I understand these things whenprojectors can use their energy
and wait for the patient, whichdoesn't have to be verbal, it
can be energetic, it can be likea variety of things and for
their gift you know it's youdon't have to wait for an
invitation.
Ask a friend to go to themovies, or you know what I mean

(58:21):
For sharing your gift for yourpurpose.
In certain relation, likestarting a relationship, that's
when the strategy comes intoplay.
But then you have a long termfriend.
You don't have to wait for themto always invite you and if
that makes sense, yeah.
But in sharing your gifts, it isvery important, and then you

(58:43):
can use your energy where it'sactually going to be received
and that's going to energize youand right, and that's the flow,
and that's the synchronicity.
So, yeah, it's really helpfulto them.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Very helpful, very helpful in relations.
Yeah, and you mentioned thatyou're a reflector.
I don't think I've everactually no, I have met one
other reflector.
I do believe that that's themost unique of the profiles.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yes, yes, reflectors are 1%, so they are the rarest.
And as a reflector, I think so.
We reflectors have all openenergy, all open chakras, and
where you have open chakra,you're the most sensitive, you

(59:33):
can feel other people in thoseareas and you can be conditioned
the most in these areas.
And so, reflectors, I thinkthat one of the first things I
read and that really hit homefor me so much, is that
reflectors are the chameleonsand we, depending on who I'm
with the energy of that person,I reflect back that energy.

(59:57):
So I will match and mirror yourenergy.
And with someone else, I willmatch and mirror their energy
and it's not disauthentic.
I used to unconsciously judgemyself as being inauthentic
Because I would hear people sayTony Robbins, he's the same
person on stage as off stage.

(01:00:17):
You need to know.
He's so authentic.
So I would unconsciously judgemyself because I'm a very, very
different part of myself, comeout depending on who I'm around
and is authentic for reflectors,because an authentic reflector
will change, will be a chameleonto reflect back and be a mirror

(01:00:41):
for the people that we arearound.
And so that's been a huge thingfor me to accept myself in
deeper ways and allow myself tobe a chameleon to change Like.
And it's not conscious, right,it just naturally happens.
But now I just I let it happenwithout the judgment and with
reflectors, because we're soopen energetically.

(01:01:05):
Our strategy is to wait a wholelunar cycle, so it needs 28 days
, and this is because maybe I'mtalking to you when I get a
nudge or an idea pop up in.
Then maybe that's not mine,maybe that's yours.
Oh, because we can really feelpeople on such a deep level, and
so for us it's really importantto wait, and it doesn't have to

(01:01:28):
be 28 days, especially forsmaller decisions.
Maybe it's a week, but for usit's important that a nudge
comes several times.
When you have a nudge, an idea,several times, it keeps coming
back, then I know it's mine,it's not someone else that I've
been hanging around and yeah, soit's a very or it's a very

(01:01:49):
interesting type and itresonates for sure, like when I
heard that I'm like, oh, that istrue, like sometimes I just I'm
like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I myself time and at some point I just know, my
intuition is like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
But that's been a really deconditioning for me is
like slowing down as fast.
Or when I go slow and have thatPick action from that thing,
that is definitely aligned.
For me it is way faster thanwhen I just act, because being
busy doing feels better thansitting and not doing.

(01:02:27):
But that takes me in all theunaligned directions.
Or I get I feel your energy andyour from something and then
I'm like, oh, I feel it sodeeply, I have a great.
So then I think I want it, butit's not actually me wanting it,
it's me feeling your passionfor it.
So then I go off totally wrongdirection and it would used to
take so long to then come backto my self, right, and so

(01:02:51):
waiting really is faster andallowing ourselves to like
reflect reflectors will feellike different people on
different days, depending whowe're around.
The environments were in, andso it's important to be in
different spaces and to feeldoes this idea or does this
thing still feel good for meafter I've been in different

(01:03:14):
places, different people.
So, that's waiting is importantfor reflectors and yeah, so
that's been something reallyimportant for my business, and
environment is really importantfor factors because we're so
open energetically.
The right people are the rightenvironments and when I feel

(01:03:35):
good in a place, that's theright place for me.
Or when I feel good aroundpeople, that means it's the
right people for me.
And when I don't feel good,it's just no judgment, but it's
the wrong people or it's thewrong place for me.
And the more I put myselfaround the right people, the
right place, which are placesthat feel good, the more aligned

(01:03:55):
opportunities will come in forme.
So that's also something asreflectors, yeah, allowing
ourselves to be in the rightenvironments to get those right
opportunities, andsynchronicities and boundaries.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yes, now that you're talking about that, the other
reflector that I know I can see,sometimes she really takes the
weight of the world on, reallytakes it on.
I mean, I think about highlysensitive leaders that I know

(01:04:30):
who are similar, but herspecifically, you can really see
it.
So I can imagine that havingthose real solid boundaries is
imperative for your well-being.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah, absolutely, and we can all see ourselves in
different types, right, becauseif you have an open G-center
chakra, it's also energeticallycorrect for you to change around
different people or differentenvironments, right.
So those people will kind offeel themselves in what I'm

(01:05:03):
talking about as a reflector alittle bit.
If you have an open sacredchakra, your emotional chakra,
you are what we call impasse.
You can feel other people'semotions 50% around, 50% have an
empathic, have an open energycenter, 50% have it filled in.

(01:05:24):
They have their own emotionalways.
So the people who are impassecan also feel people's emotions.
So they can kind of understandwhat I'm talking about as a
reflector.
So that's why we can seeourselves Like there's so many
details with human design, soI'm sure listeners will be able
to see little pieces ofthemselves when I talk about
generators or projectors orreflectors, right, but as a

(01:05:47):
reflector, having all of theopen energy, it is just even
more right.
We can feel to an eve, like justto the depths that someone else
can't, and so, and when you'realigned as a reflector, we have
the most potential to have themost wisdom, because we can feel

(01:06:09):
so deeply people andenvironments and places.
And I can relate to what youwere mentioning about this,
friend, because I used to.
I studied environmental studiesand so climate change and I used
to be, so I would feel it somuch.
And it's been such aninteresting transformation

(01:06:31):
because now I don't even listento the news and because for me
I'm like actually, and not thatthat's right for everyone, but
when I am saddened by the worldand what's going on, I actually
can't give my gifts to the world, whereas when I kind of like

(01:06:53):
shot that out and focus on likewhat's the part that I can play
in the world and I am aroundconscious communities and
spiritual communities and I fillmy cup and I do my yoga and
this, and that like that's whereI can make the most difference
in the world, where I can deeplyshare my gifts with the world.
So as a reflector, I know I'mso sensitive and so I kind of

(01:07:16):
like focus on or put myself invery positive environments and I
know, like I do know what'sgoing on in the world and that's
not all good and you know, butthat helps me be at my highest
radiance, to share my sense, toempower others in the way that I
can to the most.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
And that's such an important message for
purpose-driven entrepreneurs andbusiness leaders because so
often we will consciously orunconsciously bring ourselves
down right to try to empathizeand be with the suffering,
whereas we're not actually inour full expression of us and

(01:08:00):
able to help those people orsituations or beings when we are
bringing ourselves down.
And it's really about know howcan we keep ourselves the
highest we can be so then we cangive and support to the fullest
expression.
And it's challenging for peoplebecause again then you have

(01:08:21):
that programming coming insaying you're having a good time
, you're feeling good.
When there's people over heresuffering, I thought you were a
light work and it's just come on.
People like we got to breakfree from absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
And that's such a thing, you know, with all these
wars going on and and I see somefriends who are from one of
those countries and just be, youknow, having survivor's guilt
or like having all that, and Isay I get it.
I don't get it because I'm notfrom one of those countries, but
I can try to understand and Ican see it and I can see how

(01:09:05):
much pain they're putting onthemselves and that they're
getting depressed and so what isthat?
It's one more depressed personin the world versus one more
person sharing their light andsharing their gifts.
So it's, it's deconditioningthat if I feel your pain,
actually we're just now to hurtpeople versus if I'm in my light

(01:09:30):
and my radiance, I can add mygifts, share my gifts to the
world.
And it definitely is adeconditioning.
But it's coming back to what isthe change that I can do,
because I used to look at allthe world problems and be so
like overwhelmed by them andlike I want to make change and

(01:09:50):
everything.
And it's actually coming backto someone else's purpose is
around climate change.
Someone else's purpose isaround whatever that thing is.
What is, what are my gifts andwhat can I do that I can share
my gifts to my greatestpotential.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yes, I love that and really putting your energy and
this is what I do right, puttingmy energy and focus, not
getting lost in the noise andall the stuff that's been going
on the pads with division energy, and really going back into
what am I here for, what is mypurpose?

(01:10:29):
I know what I'm here for, Iknow who I'm here to impact what
I'm here to do and the higher Iam with my energy.
So which means following mypassions, listening to those
intuitive nudges that say hey,lisa, you know, let's do this
artwork instead of writing thatlanding page, let's do this

(01:10:49):
thing that your body's like ooh,I want to go here, because I
know when I come back in and Ido, let's say a video or right,
suddenly I'm getting DMs beinglike oh, that was so helpful,
thank you so much.
Instead of you know, no, I haveto do these videos, I have to

(01:11:10):
get this done and then puttingmy energy, and then nobody even
sees it because there's no lifeforce in it.
And it's.
I love what you're sharing here,because when people can
understand their design andtheir profile and these pieces
that they can startexperimenting with, that's when

(01:11:31):
life it's just like this lifeforce starts coming back into
their life and they're no longerthese.
You know, I was talking withsomeone the other day and we
were talking about pleasure andhow pleasure is just so
de-emphasized and so much guiltand shame and all these things

(01:11:51):
around pleasure.
When it's like without thepleasure, even as business
leaders, we become just thesedrones and we're not actually
helping anybody.
When we're in this, that energyand I feel like part of the
human design is really alsotapping into like pleasure

(01:12:12):
places and what do we like, whatdo we enjoy?
Making time for that, makingspace for that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Absolutely.
Yeah, and I love how you talkabout that beautiful example of
like.
When you create the time to doart or do the thing that lights
you up, and then you come backmaking the video that has the
impact and it's like, but yourmind would be like, no, you
should, should do the video.
So that's patching the shouldsand it's slowing it down, which

(01:12:42):
I love your doing and being likeoh, when I do the things that
lighten me up, that bring me joy, it creates more impact in my
business and it's easier.
You know, like there's so muchconditioning.
I have to work hard to makemoney.
Things need to be hard.
Like.
No Life is intelligent.

(01:13:03):
We are meant to have fun.
We are meant to enjoy thejourney and, and whenever I
catch myself taking my businessor myself too seriously, it's
like it's it doesn't actually,it's like I like to hold both.
You know that.
Like you know, when I look atthe stars and I and I see the

(01:13:24):
galaxies in the universe and I'mlike, oh my, like I'm so small
and so insignificant and at thesame time, my life does matter
and the energy I bring in thisworld.
But holding both really helpsme to turn into that energy of
go all out, like do my best tolive my purpose and share my

(01:13:48):
gifts and take it so seriously,like have fun along the way, and
like like remember that we aresuper insignificant as well as
that, it all matter.
You know what I mean.
Holding both helps me to tapinto that fun and that joy, and
I love that you bring uppleasure, because it's something
I'm delving into a lot rightnow and it's so important.

(01:14:12):
You know, pleasure is our lifeforce.
Energy brings us aliveness andfrom that energy, the ideas we
have, the energy we give toother people, that people will
magnetize towards us.
Right, like that, and that'sflow.
And when we're in flow it's nothard.
Things happen.

(01:14:32):
The beautiful things happenthat you could never plan for
from your mind, right and so,and but it's, it's playing with
it to learn it, to like oh, itdoes work, and then adding more
of it in.
You know, because people arelike, oh, that's scary to make
time to do art.
You know, when I have such abusy day or that can feel scary

(01:14:54):
to make time for pleasure andjoy and for pleasure in other
areas.
And it's like doing it slowly,seeing, slowing it down to
actually see that, yeah, itworks, which is like I will be
how self aware.
But also then there's likeenergy awareness.
Right, how is my energy aroundthese things?
And seeing, trying if whatyou're doing isn't working, you

(01:15:17):
know, if you're burnout, ifyou're not feeling as good, as
you know you can feel to bewilling to try something new,
right, and testing it and trying.
That's what creates, that'swhat changes our lives.
It's a small things, but doingit small because that feels safe
and then seeing that it worksand then bringing more of it in.

(01:15:38):
But, yeah, pleasure is soimportant and for me, you know,
really realize my, my rituals,you know my morning rituals, my
evening rituals, my meditations,my like fitness is non
negotiable for me.
I know I'm at my best so thatwhen I then go into my work day
I'm bringing that differentenergy, you know, and whenever I

(01:16:01):
, you know, traveling throughthese last couple months or
being, I was back in New Zealandvisiting family for a month and
I did do a lot of my ritualsbut I missed out on some.
You know I wasn't doing as muchdancing or as many of my
feminine practices and I wasn'tas in tune with my intuition.
So it's such a good reminder tome of like oh you don't, I

(01:16:22):
don't reach a spiritual placeand stay there.
Or I don't reach a place myintuition and stay there.
It's actually all of the smalldaily habits and practices that
open me up to to pleasure, tojoy, to my groundedness, to my
intuition, that I can thencreate from.
So that's been a very popularover this chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yes, and I love how you talked about the, the
practices, because it doesn'thave to be difficult, it doesn't
have to be a complete lifeoverhaul.
It can be simply adding in onepractice to begin in your
morning or your evening, whereyou're tuning in or you're

(01:17:08):
bringing in something thatbrings you pleasure, even a cup
of tea, and really just slowingdown and being mindful of the
tea, you know, tasting it,feeling the warmth and just
being present with that canstart adding that life force
Right.
So often you know entrepreneurs, business leaders, it's like

(01:17:31):
you know you'll go bigger.
Go home it's like okay, I gotto go do that, I got to go do
this whole thing and overhaul myentire life.
You know, take a six monthpleasure course or something.
It's like sure you can do that.
Or you can just, you know,start implementing things into
your day to day and it's goingto grow and expand as you go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
And not like, and so much wisdom in that right.
Starting small is sustainable.
You know, when we take like, ohI'm going to do this huge thing
, often don't actually finish it, you know.
So it's, it's starting small,seeing that it works, and like,
and it doesn't have to be.
Maybe you hate meditating?
Then don't meditate.
It's like your beautifulexamples like drinking a cup of

(01:18:19):
tea, but doing it might.
Like being still rather than onyour phone or checking emails,
but just being there drinkingyour, enjoying your cup of tea
or coffee Beautiful, right.
So it doesn't have to be.
Why should meditate?
Because everyone else ismeditating.
It's really tuning into you andwhat feels good for you.

(01:18:41):
And even I catch myselfsometimes being like I'm doing
breath work and but I'm justgoing through the motions rather
than like, oh, actually doingit.
You know what I mean.
So I catch him like, oh, it's ashould, let me switch things up
a little bit, or what, actually, what feels good in this moment
for me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yes, yes, and you know, it's challenging because
when we're in personaldevelopment and we're in this
work and we go to, let's say, aseminar and the things that
people are teaching are great,right, it's like, do this and do
this and this is how you can dothis.
And you're like, oh, I shouldbe doing this and this because
it's good, okay, but do you wantto be doing it?

(01:19:21):
Does it even feel good to you?
And we really got to like belike.
You know, it took me years tofinally kind of well, not
finally, but it took me years toof exploring and getting to the
place where I could really belike you know what?
That sounds great, but it's notfor me.
Or this sounds great, it's notfor me.

(01:19:42):
Or these goals that this coachhas are fantastic, but you know,
I don't want any of them,whereas before it was like oh,
they want to be on Forbes, Ishould be on Forbes too.
Okay, I'm going to put that onmy vision board.
I mean top, whatever on.
And then it got to the pointwhere I was like I don't even
care about this, those rightscoming back to you and be like

(01:20:04):
well, what are you Right?
I think that's what you said atthe beginning, it's about you
coming inside.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
And I love that and I love that.
I think we all go through thatjourney right.
And even when I started inpersonal development, it was
from a we need to take thiscourse and do this program and
this, and it wasn't from my oh,my intuition is calling me to.
It was like I'm in lack, I'mbroken, I need to be fixed, so I
need all of these things.

(01:20:32):
Versus now, I am still alwaysdoing a program or a course and
having multiple coaches, butit's not from a lack and I'm
broken, and it's like from aplace of already already holding
us and my intuition is curiousabout this thing, or I'm
interested about this thing andhaving that.

(01:20:52):
So it's.
We can do the same thing butdepending on the energy it comes
from, it can be such a greatthing and always coming back to
yeah, as you said, the insideright and you as a generator,
it's what lights you up andreally using that and it's so
simple but it's hard toimplement all the time.

(01:21:14):
But just following whatgenuinely lights you up and
brings you joy and it's goinggoes for personal development,
for the books you read, for thefoods Like if you spinach, even
though the health people mightsay you eat spinach.
So, human design, what I loveabout it is it's like full
permission to follow yourstrategy and your authority

(01:21:38):
right.
So for you, it's your gutwhat's bringing you joy and
responding to the things andgiving yourself full permission
to do that, because that'swhat's going to be the best food
for your body or that's what'sgoing to be the best personal
development things for you,right?
And so like, yes, learn fromothers and do the things, but

(01:22:01):
from an inside out approach andthe listening to the internal
guidance.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
So important.
Now, we're not going to forgetabout the, the manifesto, right
that's.
That's like the power of themore like go, go, do it, do it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Yes.
So I love me say do it, becausemanifesto is there about 10% of
the population and they're theonly ones.
So that Nike slogan just do it,go out and just do it is
correct for manifestos, the onlyenergetic type that in like
they're the initiators, thepeople who can just start things
.
So for them, when they get anudge from the universe and idea

(01:22:43):
of a toxin, then just do it.
Like that works, follow it.
You don't have to wait, youdon't have to respond like none
of that, you can.
Just it is energeticallycorrect for them to start things
and they don't have to finishthings as the deconditioning.
So they're the idea startersand their strategy is to inform

(01:23:04):
so they in the other of whatthey're doing, so that other
people can hop on board who arealigned with it.
And and often then other peoplewill finish it.
And but for them they also arenot energetic beings.
So when they have a nudge,they'll have a bunch of energy

(01:23:24):
to get something off the groundand then they'll go through a
period where they need to justlike rest and recuperate before
their next nudge.
And for them it's alsoimportant to again not try to be
like generators and work allthe time.
They'll have a lot of energywhen they first get an idea and
then it's energetically correctto rest and to recuperate

(01:23:46):
between their ideas and theirnudges, and for them it's
important to decondition.
A lot of them are peoplepleasers.
They have a big energy and soand they're not just like all of
us, but especially formanifesters they're not for
everyone.
It's important that when theyinform people, the people that

(01:24:08):
therefore will join them willjump on board and the people
that they're not for won't.
And it's so it's to be okay tonot try to please everyone, and
a good example of this is like,if you're a train driver, you're
not going to be at the Londontrain station, being like who
wants to go where?
And trying to organize all ofthese people.
That's chaos, but it's saying,hey, I'm the train driver that

(01:24:30):
drives from London to France.
Whoever wants on, we're going.
The people that are going tojump on, the people that don't
want to go there won't.
And so it's them being okaythat they're not for everyone
and inform people so that thepeople who are aligned will jump
on board, and so for them, theyhave a lot of deconditioning

(01:24:54):
around, trying to pleaseeveryone because, as kids, they
have a big energy and so hereit's sort of used to kids being
the lead there.
They're leaders right here infront.
Used to kids being a leaderright.
So there's a lot of conditioningaround around that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
So that's.
I know you mentioned that TonyRobbins is a manifesting
generator.
Are there any manifestos thatwe would know?

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Yeah, there's a who's this?
I'm so bad with famous people.
There's a singer once.
She's a UK singer.
I'm not going to remember hername, but I know that, jenna Zoe
, who is who I learned humandesign from.
She talks about her and shetalks about her as a manifestor,
because she'll go on these,she'll put out an album and

(01:25:44):
she'll go on these tours andhave like be out there full
blast and then she'll justdisappear for a couple years and
then she'll be out the next,and so so they use her as an
example.
Yes and yeah, and so it's okay.
That deconditioning is likeit's okay to read, like you
don't have to be busy all thetime, like it's okay to rest.

(01:26:06):
Yeah, the resting and all of uscan learn from this the resting
is what prepares us for thenext thing.
Right and so.
But then it's like being okayto rest, recuperate between
their, because when they're on,they're on, they move very fast,
and then it's okay to kind oflike rest and recuperate between

(01:26:26):
projects.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Okay, yes, it's like that big blast, yes, and then
time to decompress.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Yeah, so they get that nudge and then it's Exactly
, and listening to the nudgesand not looking for permission
on the outside.
So that's another bigdeconditioning is that
manifestors often look forothers to give them approval to
do something, but they're theleaders, so it's them giving
themselves permission to do whenthey have a nudge to do it, not

(01:27:00):
to look for permission fromother people, and so that their
key piece is for them to givethemselves permission to do what
they want to do and know thatsome people will be on board and
other people won't be for thatand that that's okay.
Other people won't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
And I think that's important to note, and I guess
this is for all of them, but itseems like manifestors.
It would be important, if theyare getting guidance or they are
getting mentorship, to reallylearn to trust themselves,
because not everyone is going tosee the world as they do or,

(01:27:41):
you know, if they're getting anudge it's for a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Yeah, and to look into that above all else.
And all of us can relate tothat, right, like I'm sure you
can relate to it, like going it,like we all can, in words,
before all else, but especiallythem.
So we can all see ourselves inthe different types, right, but
exactly for them it's listeningto that.
And for other people, you knowthose examples of there was a

(01:28:05):
lady who, like, had an artgallery opportunity in New York
and she turned it down, eventhough and all her friends and
everyone was like you're crazy,how are you turning down this
opportunity?
And she listened to herintuition, turned it down.
And then she got an invite tosome of Europe for another art
gal, but for her own art gallery.

(01:28:26):
And if she'd said yes to theone in New York, she wouldn't
have been free to go to this one.
So, even when it doesn't makesense to you or to anyone else,
listening to those nudges,listening to your intuition,
because our minds are so limitedwe can't, we don't know the
whole, the synchronicities inthe universe, right.

(01:28:46):
So it does Soon our nudges, ourintuition, it doesn't make
logical sense, but when youfollow them and you see the
magic that happens, you're like,oh my, I could have never
planned this from my mind, butthat was the best.
Like this opportunity came up,that was even better than the
other one, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Yes and really leaning into and healing and I
mean this is what a lot of thework I do with clients, so I
know it's a process of healingthe lack and limitation, the
beliefs around lack andlimitation, that I don't say yes
, there's not going to beanother chance, or this is my
lucky break.

(01:29:27):
You know, I often hear peopletalk about like I'm like there's
no luck, luck is not a thing,right, there's energy, right?
We can't believe in energy andbelieve in luck in that sense.
So healing those wounds aroundyou know have to take this or
there's limited resources andlimited opportunities For her to

(01:29:49):
be able to say no.
I'm sure she really is in aplace where she fully trusts
that.
You know she is in a placewhere what is aligned is going
to flow in and she's safe to sayno to what doesn't feel right
at that time.
Like that's a lot of courageand just a deep level of belief

(01:30:14):
and trust in the flow of theworld and why we're here.
That's a beautiful place to be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Exactly, and it's like start slow to get there, to
build that trust, and but Ilove the work you do around lack
limitation, right, that's suchan important piece and we come
from a world of lack, you know,way back in the day, medieval
times, like there was lack,right, and so we come from that,

(01:30:46):
but, and we're shifting intothis world of abundance, and so
it would be in the day you wouldtake a DVD or so, yeah, dvd
from blockbusters and so be oneless for someone else to rent,
right, whereas now you make acopy of a CD online as there's
another one in the space right.

(01:31:07):
So like literally, we're in aworld of abundance.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
You know, I like to tune in with myself and am I
making this decision from fearand lack or am I making this
decision from love and abundance?
You know, because wherever it'sout of fear, well, take this,
because I fear I won't getanother one versus.
I'm going to take thisopportunity because I'm excited
and I love this right To, andit's like slowing it down, like,

(01:31:37):
is this from fear and lack oris this from love and abundance?
And intuition is always goingto be from love and abundance.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yes, yes, I love the, the, you know, feeling in to
contraction or or expansion.
Yes, it says this feel in mybody can feel contraction, like
really well, it just feels likeI'm being pressed in and
squished.
I'm like, ooh, that doesn'treally feel good in my body,

(01:32:07):
whereas if I tune into a choiceor decision and just feels like
I'm like going into a hot tub,you know, the first few minutes
going into a hot tub, you say,ah, expansion.
Then I'm like, oh, okay, I'mgoing to explore this because
this is feels very and I findwhen we, when I do that practice

(01:32:29):
with client, even if they'relike, at least I don't know,
energy, I'm always in my head.
I don't know what you're talkingabout contraction, expansion
and we do that process where,you know, often I'll use an X,
because a lot of people canrelate to you know, think about
an X, that one X that's, youknow, is completely out of

(01:32:51):
alignment for you and feel in,right, it would be like, oh,
yeah, I can feel that control,oh yeah, oh, okay, that makes
sense, all right.
And then we go into well, what,what do you know that is in
alignment for, like working outor certain type of music or a
certain type of, and thenthey're just like, ooh, I can

(01:33:12):
feel it, I can feel it and thatI've gotten a lot of feedback.
So anyone listening, if youwant to try that, just to kind
of practice, what does it feellike in our bodies to start
getting out of our head andstart listening to the signals
in our body, which is a big partof, I think, this entire
conversation, and using it rightto navigate?

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Absolutely and I love it.
You bring it back to theembodiment and you bring such
beautiful examples for people toslow down and feel, not just
think about right.
Slow down and feel what it isfor them to be in contraction or
expansion.
And what is that?
Because being in tune with ourintuition is so much about the

(01:33:56):
feeling, not being in the headand being in the body, and
feeling so beautiful andpowerful.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
And I just came like when, when using the exos an
example, if we put like and I'mjust using X because I know a
lot of people can relate If webring it to the head, often we
just start leaping right, wejust loop around things that
didn't work, things that made usupset, things that got us
frustrated, and we're justlooping, looping, whereas if we

(01:34:23):
tune into our body we can startpracticing, just feeling that
sensation without the loop, andI think that's what you
mentioned at the beginning, whenit's like we have the emotional
, the ones that numb and thenthe ones that just start looping
.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, that, I've experienced both and you can
just get lost in that.
You can completely loseyourself in both of those
pullers.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Yeah, and it's easy to flip from one side to the
next.
You know, I went from being anavoider to then going and like
indulging, you know, and it'slike, okay, right, it's that
that balance feeling, but movingit through and being in the
body, yeah, yes, okay, I lovethat.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
This has been such an amazing conversation.
I could talk to you foreverabout this.
Do you have any for anyonewho's listening to this?
It's gotten this far and it'slike, oh, this is.
You know, this is reallyintriguing and I think this
would be helpful.
Any parting words for thatlistener who's thinking of maybe
I want to explore human design.

(01:35:29):
What would be their next step?

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
Yes, if you are feeling that intrigued, then
definitely explore it, becausethere's so much.
I highly recommend Jenna Zoe'sapp.
It's called my Human Design.
She also has a website, butthat app has a lot more
information.
It has it all in one, becausehuman design when you go into it
, there's information all over.
It can be a little bitoverwhelming, and so her app is

(01:35:55):
amazing because she has it andthe way she puts into words is
so yeah, so relatable, sounderstandable.
So her app is amazing my HumanDesign and you can put your you
need your birth time, your dateof birth, your birth time, your
place of birth, and then you canread a little bit about your

(01:36:16):
energetic type, your profile,dive into some things and then,
if you want to go deeper into it, there, you know, I do human
design readings.
There are many people who dohuman design readings, so you
can get a reading on your type.
You know I also coach aroundhow to incorporate it into your
business or your life.

(01:36:37):
So there's many different waysyou can go, but that's a really
good place to start and to belike does this land with me, you
know?
And to dive into it.
And then, with human design,it's called the Human Design
Experiment, so I can't emphasizethat enough.
It's making those small changes,experimenting with it in your

(01:36:57):
life to de-condition.
It's a beautiful tool tode-condition, to come back to
more of who you authenticallyare and just testing it out, one
small step at a time, seeinghow your energy shifted, to see
how with the synchronicitiesthat flow in, and so that's
really where it's at, and themore simple the better, like
there's so many layers anddetails and it's all beautiful

(01:37:19):
and magical and the layers havedefinitely helped me.
And just coming back to thevery basics your strategy and
your authority, and if you justfocus on those, everything else
will come into play.
If you use your strategy andyour authority, life will guide
you to exactly where you'remeant to be.
So simpler the better.

(01:37:40):
Definitely is helpful to start.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
I love that.
I love that you said that,because this year for me, is all
about simplification Away fromthe chaos or the over and
simplify.
So where can people find moreabout you and your offerings?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Yes, so people can follow me on Instagram.
It's catkatgrant.
Also my website, catgrantcom.
I also do monthly freeworkshops, so I have one coming
up on.
It's probably going to be outby then.
February 6th and March 6th aremy next two, sorry, and I offer

(01:38:21):
these once a month.
It's about integrating thewisdom from patterns, from
childhood trauma and patternsthat are keeping you stuck in
your life right now and workingwith them to find the wisdom to
then create change in your life.
So if you're feeling stuck in apattern and not making change,

(01:38:42):
it's a very helpful workshopthere, and I coach people with
human design and somaticcoaching, because these are
tools that have really impactedmy life.
So the somatic, to dive deeperinto wounding from childhood,
which is where most of ourpatterns come from that are
keeping you stuck in humandesigned to create a decondition

(01:39:03):
and create a roadmap to bringyou back to who you
authentically are, so that youcan connect with your passion,
your gifts, your joy to shareyour gifts with the world,
because that's really what Ibelieve that when I'm healing
and can share my gifts, you knowI've been able to do that
because other people have sharedtheir gifts and that's what

(01:39:25):
really changes the world is allof us doing the deconditioning
coming home to who weauthentically are to share our
beauty, our magic in the worldwhich helps other people do the
same.
So yeah, it's a little bitabout my work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
I love that and I'm going to put all your links in
the show notes for anyone who isinterested in learning more
about what you offer.
I think it's very just where weare in the way I think I've
already said this, but I'llreiterate moving into 2024, as
our shift in consciousness isreally exploding.

(01:40:01):
And if you're resonating withthis and you're in a place where
you're feeling like I'm juststarting to notice all my
patterns and my behaviors andwhat works and what doesn't work
, and maybe you've been doing alot of mindset work and a lot of
reading and listening to a lotof podcasts and doing a lot of
that heavy mindset work stuffand you're thinking, you know,

(01:40:25):
maybe it's time for me to domore of the embodiment, really
moving into understanding myintuition and doing somatic work
to shift some of these energiesand traumas, and there's no
better time.
That's what I'm saying.
So I love the work that you'redoing and your energy and all

(01:40:50):
the gifts that you've been ableto share today.
Thank you so much for joiningus, kat.
I appreciate you, I appreciateyour time and I can't wait for
people to hear about the humandesign and how they can
implement it in their life andin their business.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Thank you, yes, thank you, lisa.
It's been such an amazingconversation with you and I just
want to honor you and all thegifts you share and the powerful
coaching you provide people andjust being the amazing, radiant
human you are.
So thank you so much for thisbeautiful conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Thank you, Kat.
I take all that in.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
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