WELCOME TO THE AFTER PARTY - the party after the show!
Have you ever felt a gentle nudge from within, guiding you toward an answer that defies logic? That's the intuitive whisper that transformed Akyiaa Azula's acupuncture practice, and it's what we're talking about today. As she peeled back the layers of her patient's health concerns, her success rate improved—not by relying on textbooks, but by trusting the insights that seemed to emerge from the ether. Akyiaa shares how her internal conflicts, between the rigor of scientific research and the elusive nature of intuition, played out in real-time.
Imagine a scenario where your liver, in a voice uncannily like your own, tells you exactly what it needs to heal. Sounds like something out of a sci-fi novel, right? But that's the reality Akyiaa encountered, and in this episode, she dives into these bizarre but enlightening experiences. She also discusses the delicate art of passing this craft onto her students, encouraging them to step into their patients' shoes and listen to stories that can only be told through the body's language. The intersection of intuition and medicine is a strange crossroads, but it leads to profound healing.
Wrapping up, she guides us outside the treatment room and into the broader picture of community and purpose in the world of acupuncture and beyond. We consider how the internet has allowed us to forge bonds that stretch across continents, and what that means for the evolution of the healing arts. From gender dynamics in the business of wellness to the intricacies of ethical communication in healthcare, this episode is a tapestry of the personal, the professional, and the deeply human aspects that intertwine within the journey of a healer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the after party.
I'm an acupuncturist.
When I was working with mypatients I had an 85% success
rate.
Not good enough for me.
That meant 50% of my patientsweren't getting what they were
paying for and that bothered me.
So I went and I did researchand I found out the relationship
(00:20):
between the mind and the body,how that affected them, because
it didn't matter how I changedthe ac and the body.
How that affected them, becauseit didn't matter how I changed
the acupuncture points, whatother herbal formulas that I put
together, they still couldn'tget past a certain stage.
It's like they kept hitting thewall.
So that 15% that research thatI did led me to working with the
(00:42):
mind and the body.
And seeing that relationshipalso led me to develop my
intuition to the point where Icould see and sense exactly what
was going on.
That made things go faster forme to find out.
Oh, this is the reason whyyou're having that, because
people that come and they starttalking to you and they start
telling you because they'retrying to figure out what's
(01:04):
wrong.
That's why they're there.
You don't go to a doctor ifnothing's wrong.
So they're trying.
So they've tried everything.
They're trying to figure it out.
They can't figure it out.
And if I look at, let's say,what I might have learned from
my textbooks, that wouldn't giveme the answer either, because
most people you know your livesdon't really fit into a textbook
(01:25):
.
We get a description and we getsome kind of standard of care,
and but everybody doesn't fitthat.
So that led me to the mind-bodyconnection and then I started
realizing, the more and more Iworked with people, my intuition
, my insights became keener.
It wasn't just that I went tothe textbook and figured out
patterns, it was like all of asudden I'm like, oh, this is
(01:48):
really what's going on with thisperson.
This is, you know, and it's noteven anything they told me I'll
just get.
This is really what's happeningwith them and then at first,
when I started hearing this isreally what's happening with
this person, I would go, uh,should I even say this to this
person?
Because it would sound so outthere to me, because I'm
(02:09):
listening and I'm like thatdoesn't even make any sense,
wait a minute, so you can admitthat the things that you say,
they sound bizarre to you aswell.
Very, Because my background isscience and research.
I am very you got to measure it, you got to prove it, you've
got to be able to um verify it,you got to be able to replicate
(02:33):
it or it doesn't exist.
So I come from this very kindof square, kind of researchy,
sciencey type of mindset,thinking and all of that.
That's why I told you the bookwe're reading frustrates me,
because when you mentionedresearch, I'm like where's the
rest?
of the information about thisresearch.
So that was my frustrationreading this book, because I'm
(02:53):
like don't mention the read,don't tease me.
Like you mentioned the research, but you didn't go into what it
actually said, right so?
So that's my background.
So when I started receivingintuitive information from the
patient laying there on thetable and I would say it sounds
like their liver is telling meoh, she told you this, but this
(03:13):
is what the real issue is andthat's how I started processing
it, when I was still firstworking with someone.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And this would sound bizarre.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
To you It'll sound bizarre because it wouldn't fit
anything.
They just told me.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wait, so it didn't sound.
So okay, I want to make surewe're understanding.
So for me, saying bizarre isjust the whole thing of you
saying what the liver just saidyeah, you saying bizarre On
their liver issue and then allof a sudden, their liver is
spilling the tea.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
They're like, oh no, it has nothing to do with what
this person just said.
And it's not that the person'slying, it's that they're unaware
, they don't know themselves.
They're trying to figure it out.
So they're really honestly,truthfully, trying to find an
answer to resolve this problem.
So they have a bad liver.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So then I'm working on no, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is the bizarre.
I'm sticking with the wordbizarre because I want to make
sure that what I'm saying isbizarre is what you're saying is
bizarre.
You don't think it's bizarre tosay that a liver spoke to you?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, you do Not anymore.
When the first time.
Then Then it was bizarre.
Okay, now it's like routine,almost You've accepted it.
That's what's going on withthem.
You know, you do it for so manyyears.
It becomes second nature.
But the first time I was like,okay, I'm hearing this voice in
(04:37):
my head and I'm listening and Icould actually hear to the liver
.
Okay, this is going to make youlaugh.
I could actually hear to theliver.
Okay, this is going to make youlaugh.
Most of the time when I hearthe person's body is speaking to
me that's why they call itmedical intuition it sounds like
the person's voice.
So if I was working with youand all of a sudden, let's say,
your heart starts to speak, ormaybe you have a bad knee and
(04:59):
that part of your body starts tospeak, it sounds like your
voice.
The funniest one I ever had wasthis woman, and every time I
would tell her because peoplestarted hearing.
Oh, she could do this.
I started having people come tomy office to find out, well,
what was really happening withthem.
So I had this lady.
She was referred and she camein and she knew what I did and
she was all for it and what wasfunny about it?
(05:23):
The voice that her body spokein sound like a British butler.
She was a Caucasian woman, butthe voice sound like a British
man's voice.
And I'm like and I keptlaughing, I would tell her what
I'm hearing and then I'll giggle.
And I was like now that wasvery bizarre.
And then what was so funnyabout it?
As she asked, she said well,now that was very bizarre.
And then what was so funnyabout it?
As she asked, she said well,every time you told me something
(05:46):
, akia, you would giggle.
And I said, yes, it was strangebecause I said it sound like
whatever was narrating to mewhat was happening within your
body and within your life.
Sound like a British butler.
She looked at me, said yes, shesaid whenever I think about
stuff, I hear a British man'svoice.
You know like when you think,think about it, when you think,
(06:08):
you're hearing your thoughts,you're listening to your
thoughts, you're talking toyourself, not verbally, but
you're talking to yourself.
Here, she told me, and I waslike you hear a British man's
voice.
She said yeah, that's what Ihear in my head anytime I start
thinking.
But that's what I heardspeaking, told me about what was
happening during life.
(06:28):
She was having this issue.
So.
So by doing that, I'm able tolike bypass a lot of you know
standard care stuff, um, medicalstuff, like things that we've
learned, textbook stuff.
I'm able to bypass that or whatyou know society might.
Society might say if you havethis issue, this is probably
what it is like, a kind of onesize fits all energy.
(06:49):
I'm able to bypass it and say,well, yeah, those things are the
standard things, but this isreally what's going on with you.
And so when I say bizarre, atfirst I was like this person
didn't tell me nothing aboutthis when they came in.
It's not on their intake sheet.
You know, I'm looking at it.
Nothing's there about this.
This is what their body issaying, what the real issue is
(07:12):
really going on with this person.
And at first I was like, shouldI tell?
Should I even say anything?
This person is going to look atme like I'm weird and I would
hear, yeah, tell them.
And then I'll tell it to themand they'll say and I would hear
, yeah, tell them.
And then I'll tell it to themand they'll say, oh, yeah, that
makes so much sense.
And what I began to realizebecause I also taught this to
(07:33):
students how to do medicalintuition.
The person would always go oh,yeah, yeah, that makes so much
sense now and it's almost like arelief will come over them and
they'll have some kind ofrelease will happen.
And then they have some kind ofrelease will happen, and then
they wouldn't have that issueanymore.
And then I used to tell mystudents, because they wanted to
learn how to do what I did, andI said don't worry if the story
(07:54):
sounds strange to you orbizarre that's what I mean.
Bizarre because it doesn't fitin what you're thinking, right?
I said don't worry if it soundsthat way, because it's not your
story, it's their story, right?
So someone else's story willalways sound strange to you,
okay, and the person's not awareof it.
(08:17):
Maybe something that hashappened when you were five?
Maybe you made a decision,something happened when you were
five.
You made a decision.
Your life is still running onthat five-year-old program.
Yes, you don't even remember,because you were five.
Maybe you made a decision.
Something happened when youwere five.
You made a decision.
Your life is still running onthat five-year-old program.
Yes, you don't even remember,because you were five.
Yeah, you don't even rememberwhy you even put that in place.
Yeah, those are the type ofthings that I found out.
It's like, okay, you're aboutfive and then this happened.
(08:39):
And then people thought, oh yeah, I remember something like that
.
Well, you made a decision atthat time to you know, your
relationship with people and theworld would be in this context
because you were protectingyourself from whatever happened
when you were five.
So every relationship or ifanything, people will come to me
(09:00):
because all of a sudden,something has triggered that
whole pattern to come back inplace and they can't figure out.
Why am I going through this?
Right, those are the things Ineed to find out.
Okay, will this happen and thisthing triggered?
It could have been a smell, itcould have been somebody said
something, maybe you sawsomething, you heard a sound, it
could be anything was thetriggering event and now your
(09:23):
life is like going topsy-turvyand you don't know why.
Can I ask a question?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Your gift.
Can you use your gift onyourself?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Not effectively, I can, but it's limited.
It's like, okay, think about it, you can massage yourself,
right, but it's more effectiveif somebody else massages you.
Yeah, all on my back but thereis.
You know, like I could massagemy leg.
I could, but it feels different.
(09:56):
There's because there's thisexchange of energy.
It's like the factor thatsomeone has put this energy into
it and in you know, like in thebible they talk about the
witness and where two and threeare gathered.
You know, there's somethingabout having that other person
and that other person's energyand spirit there with you.
That makes it more effectivethan if I just did it by myself
(10:22):
and then you have bias if you'redoing it by yourself.
You know, because you alreadyfigure, I know what this is all
about and it has, like I say, itmay have nothing to do with
that.
That's why I said it wasbizarre, because what they came
and told me was going on, whatI'm hearing, has nothing to do
with anything that theymentioned all week.
So that's what I mean.
(10:43):
So, even your own bias, youcan't see certain things that
they're, you're blinded to themthat makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Um uh, I heard someone say that your gift is
not for you.
Actually, my pastor, pastordarius daniels, said your gift
is not.
It helped me so much to be ableto know that my gifting was not
for me, that there's nothingwrong with me, that there are
(11:12):
things that I do that I'm ableto help people with, but I need
help doing that myself.
Even though I can help someone,amazingly, when I sit down to
do it for myself, I don't getthe same.
So it now you've.
You've had that it's muchbiased.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, it's much more effective when you have that
interchange between you andsomeone else, just like when you
show up and let's say you'recomforting someone.
Someone's going throughsomething they could.
They could like, doaffirmations they could do, but
it's not the same as if someonecomes in and tries to comfort
you.
There's a different.
There's a difference in theenergy, the way it feels and all
(11:56):
of that that we need.
And the thing with our societywe're so isolated now, we're so
afraid of any kind of intimacywith each other and I don't mean
intimacy, sexual, I mean justintimacy.
Yes, you know the caring forone another and all of that.
We just got into society wherewe're like everybody's,
suspicious of everybody and youknow which is a really harsh
(12:18):
place to be.
So one of the things that I wasgiven, you know, like I said,
we talk about gifts.
We're given different purposesto do.
So I was given to be a teacher,be a healer.
So I've done those things.
When I was given creation, thiswas back around 2010,.
I started doing this work whenI was given that work to do and
(12:42):
then I was told that I wassupposed to also teach people
how to do this.
So so far I've taught a littlebit over a hundred people that
I've taught to do this work.
The other thing I was taught isthat now I have to make it
public.
So that's part of the reasonwhy I joined MMU, because I was
like I have this, this gift,this, this calling um or this
(13:08):
mission.
I should say it feels more likea mission at this point.
I have this mission that I haveto make it public.
How do I make it public?
I mean, I'm known in Orlando, Ihave taught people in that
sphere, but I have to go outsideof the?
The and go into a bigger pond,which is the world.
And how do I bring this topeople now?
(13:29):
So I joined MMU specificallyfor that reason, because I knew
this is what I need to get thisword out to people, that this is
available.
So more people we could servemore people.
And then, prior to joining MMU,I kept seeing the beginnings of
a community, because it's onething, let's say you have a
(13:50):
certain pattern with your moneyand we clear that pattern up,
but without the support ofhaving others around you that's
also moving in that directionwith you, without that level of
support and that community andall of that.
It makes it harder for you tomove forward.
(14:12):
It makes it harder for you toadvance and really reach out and
serve on the level that youshould be serving.
And when we think about the factthat we have the gift of this
internet and one of the thingsthat my, when I sit down and I,
(14:33):
you know, I call it a band ofangels.
Some people say it's aspiritual guide, whatever to me.
I don't get really caught intosemantics, but that inner
guidance that I have and that Ihear around me.
They said they created theInternet because they want all
of us to be able to connect witheach other, because we've got
other things that need to bedone.
(14:54):
Yes, fun, but you know, thefocus have been, you know, on
anything but doing things thatwill move the consciousness of
the planet and move usspiritually and elevate us
upward.
And they say this is reallywhat they had put it there for
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us to be able to use this toolright that we have for that.
So what you're doing is a wayof moving things forward now,
and you might not have thoughtof it that way, but the fact
that you said, hey, I got to getpeople out there.
You're doing that becausethat's moving that there.
So then people start seeing it.
(15:37):
Oh, I don't have to clownmyself, I don't have to, you
know, strip and show my wholebody.
I don't have to do silly dances, I don't have to be, you know,
unpaid entertainer.
You know I could actually dothings.
That's going to be meaningful.
And we're not saying thatanything's wrong with any of
those things.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that we have, you know how much power.
(16:00):
It is, that at the push of abutton you could reach millions.
You could reach everybody onthis planet.
You know the level of a button.
You could reach millions.
You could reach everybody onthis planet with a push of a
button.
You know the level of powerthat is.
But we have not really processedit and look at it like, oh my
God.
So if we're going to servepeople, we have a tool that we
could serve people soefficiently, yes, and so that's
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one of the things that wasdownloaded to me and I'm like,
yeah, I have to see how thiswhole thing and how to you know.
So in the group that we're inin the community, we're learning
how to present ourselvespublicly.
We're learning how to do all ofthese things, because that's
one of the things that I've beenasking for.
I need to understand how to dothese things and how to do them
properly.
(16:44):
Yes, otherwise it felthaphazard to me until I joined
this community yes, and themorning meetup.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
David shands has done something that I feel is
absolutely spectacular.
Not a word I use, but thisspectacular, spectacular.
You know, you go to the circus,circus, and it's like, oh my
goodness, that's spectacular,they just did this, they just
did that.
I feel like every day I getsomething, because I come with a
(17:17):
high expectation of gettingsomething now.
Every day I get a lot ofinformation, but then I get that
thing that I know, oh mygoodness, I need it.
That right now yes, so I'm sograteful to David Shands and the
Morning Meet.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We're absolutely grateful to him and the
community that he's created,because I was told prior to
joining the Morning Meetup thatI was supposed to create a
creation community and I had noidea what that looked like.
How would we do that?
And I looked at other programsthat you know people well, what
they call it a mastermind orsome community, and I looked at
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it, but what I didn't see withthem, they were so stringent.
Yeah, you know, like youcouldn't say this, you couldn't
talk about this, you couldn'tlet people know what you did.
You know there was so manyrules and regulations and I'm
like is this?
I don't know if that's.
And so when I came to themorning meetup and I saw the way
David allowed people to be freelike we wouldn't even have this
(18:19):
happening right now If hedidn't say you all need to talk
with each other.
You all need to collaborate withone another.
You all need to talk with eachother.
Y'all need to collaborate withone another.
Y'all need to.
There's about 300 of you onthis call.
Y'all need to get to know oneanother.
This is the point of havingcommunity.
So the fact that he was so intopushing community, I'm getting
more of an inkling.
This is what the communityshould feel like.
(18:40):
This is what the communityshould look like.
So then it brought me back to,like Akiaia, when you do stuff,
you have a way that you love toaccommodate people, you love to
host people, you, you love tojust make people feel good
around you, and all of that.
So then, all of a sudden, Ifelt this ease that, oh, the
(19:00):
community would feel like mypersonality, because what we get
is dav's personality.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, we do.
We get high energy First thingin the morning, high energy.
The first thing we start out isaccountability.
He's like look, you're inbusiness, you're trying to do
something.
You have you know, you havegoals and aspirations.
Let's break these things downinto bite size, palatable,
(19:31):
little mini meals and let'sdecide what are you doing today?
What are you doing today?
Just two, three things thatyou're doing today to move the
needle forward in where you'regoing, your goals, your
aspirations, because they can'tjust be goals and aspirations.
(19:52):
You actually have to be takingaction.
So I feel as though there hedoesn't just express you need to
take action, you need to takeaction, you need to take action.
He makes room for you toactually have to create your
plan, bite by bite, piece bypiece, ingredient by ingredient.
(20:13):
He brings the most amazingpeople to come in and pour into
us, literally like I'm sittingthere thirsty and it just it
washes over me and I'm like,okay, absolutely, that answered
this and now I know how to takethese next three steps.
I don't allow all theinformation to overwhelm me.
(20:36):
I take it palatable and then Igo, and so I feel as though I
grow every day.
He keeps me focused on my goals.
Yes, into that call.
Every day with David Shahankeeps me focused on what my
(20:56):
goals are and it also helps meto create and make them bigger,
because he's constantly growingmy thinking towards it.
Yeah, constantly growing myrelationship with my business,
in my business, my relationshipwith people.
(21:18):
I know you because of him.
Yeah, Because of him.
I know I haven't spoken withyou, like we haven't been in
tight communication sinceepisode eight, but it's episode
23.
All it took was a call and atext.
Yes, that was it and we're notsure why, because we see each
other every morning.
(21:39):
We're not talking just betweenus, we're talking with a group
of people around the world thattake time to get on a call and
just learn more business thingto become more business.
But it's not even just businessminded.
He's shaping your character,your conduct, your commitment to
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doing the things that you needto do to be able to accomplish
the purpose.
The service that you said weprovide.
Your purpose is your service.
It comes easy to you and bringsyou joy.
And brings you joy and makesyou happy.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And makes you happy, because they you know one of the
things, like I said, I hear,you know, I just listen like
people talk about they getdownloads, I get a lot of them
and I listen and they said yourpurpose is your happiness, it's
the thing that makes you happy.
So not only are you serving,it's the thing that brings you
(22:39):
joy, it's the thing that makesyou happy.
That's why some people figurewhy would people pay?
Pay me money?
Because it makes me feel goodto do this thing.
So that's the things about themoney and the purpose that it
was like.
That's why I had to do a classon that we're going back to the
bible.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Your gift will make room for you.
A gift is something that youenjoy, it's something, something
that I mean it when you.
It's always a gift.
We love getting gifts, rightyeah, you just smile, you're
elated, you're excited, you'relike, oh, my goodness, and that
you're so correct.
That's how you should feelabout your purpose.
(23:21):
You should be bubbling over withjoy in doing your purpose,
bubbling over with you in doingyour purpose and, and for me,
stepping back, just like before,in looking at david.
Looking at david he justfinished the podcast and his
purpose was just to serveeveryone that was there and made
(23:42):
sure that they left with aneven higher awareness of what it
is they were doing, why theywere doing it, how to do it.
Because if this takes you, he'slike listen, if you just got
one good thing, that in itself,take that thing and work that
thing so that you can go to thenext thing, your purpose being
(24:08):
your service.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I've never had it.
It energizes you and itenergizes you.
Yeah, you know I could be tired, I could be like my eyes are
closing and I may get a call.
Somebody might call me.
It might be an emergency calland somebody needs my help and I
start doing my work with them,I start doing creation or I
start doing my intuitive workwith them to see what really is
happening to them and by the endof that call, I'm no longer
(24:32):
sleepy, I'm no longer tired, Iam energized.
Yes, so that's how you knowyour purpose.
It brings, it makes you happy,it brings you joy and you feel
energy doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So, yeah, you revealed something very powerful
because you're saying that itbrings you joy, it brings you
energy, so you should be able topinpoint when you're doing
something just for the money.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I remember doing something for the money
what was it again?
And I was like, oh my God, if Ihave to do any more of this.
I can't remember what the jobwas because I've cleared so many
patterns, but I remember beingon the job and I was getting
paid.
Well, there was the opportunityto make really good money doing
(25:19):
this job.
But I was like, oh my God, if Ihave to do this for the rest of
it, just shoot me already.
That's how I felt.
It wasn't the money.
So then you realize even thatand that's one of the other 17
ways when you're doing thingsyou hate and that says up your
money.
You know, like some people, youwonder and they're always
(25:41):
complaining I hate my job andthey go and it's this drudgery
and that is not what God wantedyou to experience.
This is not the reason you wereput here and people don't get
it.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, and you're right, there is a fear behind
walking in your gifting.
There's a big fear.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
There's a fear that's the whole thing about money and
perk.
Because I remember, you know,I'd have a graduating class and
I taught one of the graduatingclasses at the college the
acupuncture college and I knewthey were getting, you know they
were leaving, they would haveto start their own businesses
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and so forth.
So we've trained them inmedicine, we've trained them in
everything that they need topass their license and exams and
that kind of stuff.
But now we didn't really trainthem in how to run a business
like what we're reading on themorning meetup.
We're learning that david shanzis teaching us that.
So that's the training thatwe're getting, but we're not
taught that in medical school.
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So most doctors make the worstbusiness and they're usually not
good with money.
They make the worst business.
They just make a lot of it, butthey're really not good with it
because they're not reallytaught that about money.
So I would say I would do aclass talking to them about
their next step when they leaveand I'll talk to them about the
business aspect of the medicineand they would sit there and
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they'll be stunned and I'll say,um well, how much are you going
to charge for your services?
And you know they'll, they'lljust have an arbitrary number.
I'll charge $35, I'll charge$50, I'll I'll charge 75.
And I'm like well, how did youcome to?
That's what you need to charge.
And they're like, well, theyjust figured.
Well, people won't be upset ifI say $75, or you know, it's
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like they had this weirdthinking and I said, okay, why
would you try?
And I told them what I charged,which was like double or triple
what they wanted to charge, andthey'll go like, oh my God, you
charge that much.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Did you all?
Did you I'm sorry, I don't meanto interrupt Did you?
When you first started charging?
How did you feel?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I felt fine.
I had no issue about chargingfor my service.
Okay, let me tell you what Idid.
Issue about charging for myservice?
Okay, let me tell you what Idid when, when I was an intern,
we had to do a certain number ofpatients.
You know like that was theregular.
You know, in order to get yourlicense you have to get it,
whether it was 200, 300, 400.
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I can't remember what my numberwas, but I said when I hit that
number, my next person wasgoing to pay me.
That was while I was an intern.
I was like all this free laborand all I'm learning a lot, but
this next person, the next timeI stick a needle in somebody's
body, they're paying me to dothat.
So I had no issue aroundcharging the services at all and
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I did.
I stopped.
I gave all my patients to myclassmates who were short on
patients.
I gave them all my patients andI just stayed in the herbal
pharmacy and I made everybodyformulas because I really wanted
to hone in on that skill evenmore so, my entire last semester
of school I treated nobody.
Wow, because my next patientthat walked that I put in need
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was going to pay me.
I had made up my mind that'show it was going to be.
So I sort of had that issue withcharging for services.
But when the students would askme, they said, oh my God, you
charge that much.
How do you even ask the person?
And I said well, at the end ofthe treatment I just say would
you like to pay with a check,cash or credit card?
That's it.
(29:26):
I mean, this is something thatwe do every single day.
We go into the store, you payfor things, we have these
transactions all the time, sowhy should it be doing any
different when it's somethingthat you're doing?
That makes no sense and theperson would look at you odd,
like you just did a service.
They're used to paying forthings.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Can I?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
say that I want to pay you.
This is something going onwithin you, not the person
you're treating.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But most people.
I find that when most peoplestart their businesses, they go
in their small sphere of peoplethat they know when their
products, service in this worldis to be opened up to the world.
Yes, because more times thannot, where you're actually going
to rejection to be seen, whereyou're actually going to be
accepted, where your value isactually going to be needed, is
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outside of.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And part of the other 17 ways is fear of success and
fear of rejection.
Fear of failure and rejectionand fear of success.
That is.
And I didn't have that goinginto business because to me
business just felt logical.
It's like I pay.
If I want shoes, I gotta payfor it.
If I want groceries, I gottapay for it.
So why wouldn't somebody wannapay me?
That was just how my logicalmind worked.
(30:48):
But some people they don't feel.
Or with women, like we talkabout women, they will
undercharge because they'retaught that you're not supposed
to have money.
It's like something that hasgone on for millennia.
With women it's been thousandsof years of women not being able
to handle money.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And then in the last 50 years.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
They're handling money.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
They have a weird relationship to money.
So women undervalue andundercharge all the time.
So when I would see femaleslike guys will charge, like,
okay, a guy would have a beat upold car and you'll say, well,
how much you want for the car,he'll tell you the $3,000.
They got this system in it.
He'll tell you $3,000.
It's some beat up old car likewhat we call Hoopty, right,
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he'll charge a lot for that youask a woman the same question.
She's like I don't know, like$1,000, maybe $900.
That's how women will approachit.
Because of the difference inhow we are taught about money.
You know our roles toward moneywhether you're a male or female
.
So just by being a man or awoman, you have a different
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experience and you have adifferent relationship to money.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You said it Our roles towards money, because I feel
as though women let's see, I'mjust going to pick one thing
that women do we were.
I have given example.
I'm going to give an example.
I literally joked with someoneand said I just did all of this,
(32:20):
so I know you paying for lunch.
And he literally said wait, aminute, if I'm paying for lunch,
you know what you're going tohave to do and I'm like wait,
how does that lunch equate to anintimate?
I would say the way he wassaying transaction.
You can't do that with me, buthow do you equate?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Because men are taught your interaction, because
men do not really, and this isjust something I observed just
for life.
Men are not really interestedin relationships with women,
unless it's food and sex.
Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You said what and what Food and sex.
Food and sex.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Food and sex.
And there was a cartoon.
I'll tell you the cartoon andit was so true because that's
psychologically what they think.
So, um, men are interested inrelationship with other men
because they they measurethemselves against other men,
they measure their successwithin themselves against other.
They don't measure those thingsagainst women, right?
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And if you have a woman that'sdoing that, she's out of her
place, who does she think she iswithin themselves?
Against others?
They don't measure those thingsagainst women, right?
And if you have a woman that'sdoing that, she's out of her
place, who does she think she is?
She's trying to be a man.
You know, you get all of that.
So that's where that comes from.
Because men, you know, men gettheir admiration, they're
successful based on how theymeasure up to other men.
Yes, so they measure up toother men.
Yes, so they always want to bein more relationships.
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So women were thinking, oh,we're doing this, this and this.
And the guys no, he doesn'tlook at us from that angle,
because they're taught fromtheir small Women.
Have, you know, they feed you,they feed you, take care of you,
and you know they're not yourmom, you have sex, right.
Or your sister, right, you havesex with them.
That's the relationship.
So they're taught very early.
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That's what how you deal with awoman.
So it isn't odd for him tothink that.
Right, because the culture andeverything has told him that
this is the relationship youhave with this person because
she's a woman, whereas if it'sanother man, he'll be like yeah,
let's hang out together, let'stalk about this, let's do this.
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I'm doing so.
Men are always, you know, likeI don't want to say, but they
measure the D with each other.
They're always D measuring witheach other.
That's where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So it's always that with other men, whether's
competition or whatever.
It's towards other men, it'snot towards men, right?
Yeah, so that's why I'm sorry.
So that's why they like to hangout with them and just just, oh
, I'm going to hang out with myboys.
Something's going on.
I need to talk with my boysAlways, my boys, oh, my boys.
(35:10):
Kid is having a party.
Let me get there.
Well wait, you didn't come toyour own kid's party, or you
didn't?
I got to support my boys, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
For your own, but you A whole different.
It's like a whole different.
Like they said, what men arefrom Mars, women are from it's a
whole other world.
And you start looking atpeople's worldview, because I
not only study but I observe.
So I just observe.
It's not what people say orwhat we tell is supposed to be
this way.
I just observe.
Okay, you say that, but whatare you actually doing?
(35:41):
So I just sit back and Iobserve and I say, oh, it's not
relationship with women that areimportant to men, it's a
relationship with other men.
Now, the relationship to men areimportant to women because men
was your source of survival forthousands of years.
You know you would put up withall types of stuff.
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You know he could be anything,but it meant that my child would
be able to survive and live andthrive.
And as long as I'm attached tothis man and that's why, you
know, even in politics you lookat it and they say, well, women
are voting against this, but itdoesn't really serve the purpose
of women or serve theadvancement of women.
But the relationship and thesupport and security of being
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attached to the male is moreimportant than some feminine or
female thing.
That's the reason why thatdecision, because then that
means that my child get to havethese other privileges or
resources.
That means that my family getto have certain privileges and
status and resources.
If I attach myself to the man,it doesn't help me attaching
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myself to the women that have nopower.
So that's where all of that.
So that's why, when people saythey vote against their own
interests, that's the reason why, because I look and I say, oh,
that's curious, I wonder why.
And then I start to observe andI said, oh yeah, then if you
have to make that decision, it'sgoing to be your kids, kids,
your household, and all of thatis way more important than some
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sisterhood thing, if it comesdown to that, you are correct.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
You are correct yet again, my mind, my mind, ma'am,
stretched yeah, my mind.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Well, people don't think about that, but the reason
why I think about all thesethings.
So people come to me and theyhave all these issues and then I
have to find out what's thecause of them having that
particular issue or symptom ordisease or whatever it is.
So I have to look at like awide swath of what's going on,
so it's not just the personwhat's happening in their
environment, what's going onaround them, what's been going
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on through their bloodlines andtheir genetics.
You know what's happening withtheir body, what are they eating
.
I have to take in a whole lotof factors and that's why the
intuition helps, because if Ihave to go each one with my mind
, it'll take forever.
So that's why I'm really gladthat I was able to go like a
laser, like the little missilesthat can find things.
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I could go right to it withintuition.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It's so much it could be anything.
Someone walks in the door.
It could be anything is thereason why they're having a
problem.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yes, yes, your intuition is is, for me,
unmatched.
I've I've never met anyone withthe depth and height of the
gifting that you have, height ofthe gifting that you have.
(38:52):
Thank you, I'm very honored, um, even for you to take the time
to have these conversations withme.
That's why I was so honored.
I'm like she's back.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
She's back, that is.
But you know what's interesting?
Yeah, Because over the yearscause mine was out of necessity
I had to find out what was goingon with my patient and how I
could help them, and I went from85% to a 95% success rate, with
people healing, Because it wasalways why are they not healing?
(39:19):
I don't understand why they'renot healing.
So I went from that to that andthe 5% is I realized is things
that's out of my scope.
They need another practitioner,they needed another form of
treatment.
What I have to give them is notwhat they need.
So that's the 5% that I can'ttouch.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Now I respect you even more because you're saying
that listen, I'm not saying that100% of everything you can
admit where you're finding this,this isn't.
I can't help you If someone hasa severe infection.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
No, if someone got in a car accident, they have major
trauma or maybe they needsurgery, they have a tumor, they
have something else going onthat's outside of my scope.
They need to go there.
So I'm not going to sit thereand take their money and tell
them no, come into me, and I'mgonna.
No, you, you need to go havesurgery.
You know what's going on withyou is serious.
(40:14):
You need to go see the doctorright away.
You might need chemo.
You know, it's like things likeI wouldn't say to them.
They need chemo.
Of course, right, you need alab test and all of that.
But intuitively I might picklike.
I had someone call me from NewYork and she did everything.
Natural, she ate, natural, dideverything.
She did colonics for a living.
That was her job.
She did the whole alkalinewater before alkaline water was
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a thing.
She was doing all of this stuff.
And she calls me on the phoneand she's telling me that she's
having a swollen abdomen.
It won't go down, and the firstword I hear is like oh my gosh,
she got cancer.
That's the thought that poppedin my head.
And she's calling me to tellher.
Well, what's happening?
So, ethically.
I can't say to someone on thephone you've got cancer, right.
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So I said you need to go to thedoctor.
This sounds serious.
You need to go, because youknow a lot of those people with
all that natural stuff theydon't need like to go to the
western doctor.
That's part of their wholemakeup.
I said you need to go to thedoctor, find out what's
happening with you, even thoughI'm already hearing she has that
.
She called me back two dayslater.
She goes to the doctor.
She's upset with the doctorbecause they told you have
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cancer.
But then she's reading thereport and the report doesn't
necessarily say you have cancer.
It said the findings looks likeyou know they put in a kind of
vague terminology becausethey're doing that for their own
protection from not gettingsued and malpractice and stuff
so the way.
So she's going through the finepoint of the word.
But it does say cancer on herreport, right, and she was an
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unfortunately for you knowlovely woman.
She only lasted two monthsbecause she was very resistant
to even dealing with the factthat that's what was wrong with
her.
But as soon as I just heard shegot cancer like real loud, she
got cancer I was like, oh my God, but I can't say it ethically.
You know, you need to go toyour doctor, you need to find
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out what's going on, you need togo get the go through the
proper procedures and protocols.
And all of that because notnumber one?
It also protects me, right?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
you know as a practitioner.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, but that's one of the things that I know is
that a lot of times, people justhave a hard time, you know,
dealing with different thingsgoing on in their life, and me,
with my intuition, I always finda way to tell it to people in a
way that they could hear Right,you know so, and don't think
just because I'm saying to you,oh, you need to go to your
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doctor, means you got somethingthat serious.
That's not what I'm saying.
It could be like you need to goget a checkup or you're a
little bit run down.
You may need some vitamins orsomething.
You need blood work done, youknow it could be anything like
that, and that's why I said that5% is not something that I do,
I realize that.
But that 95% well, I felt goodthat I said 95% of the people
that come and see me.
I could truly help them becausethey're paying me for that work
(43:03):
.
So I feel better that I amactually honoring the promise
that I make to them when theycome and see me.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Honoring the promise that I make to them when they
come see me.
That is not a great statementto live by, to serve by.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't boycott.
I don't boycott the heck out ofa store if I go there, or a
restaurant.
You did not give me what I paidfor.
I'm like, oh, that's my petpeeve, I don't care how much it
costs, it's not even a priceissue for me, I don't care what
it costs, just give me what Ipaid for and it's good.
I feel that if I'm not doingthat for any client or any
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patient, I don't feel good aboutit.
I just want to make sure thatthe promise, my promise of the
contract with you is when youcome and see me, you expect to
get these results, and if Idon't deliver them, it bothers
me Right.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
All right, well, we don't want anything to be
bothering you.
Yes, anything be bothering you.
Yes, oh, I appreciate you.
Thank you so much for stayingfor the after party.
Yeah, thank you.
This is the after party.
I'm an acupuncturist.
When I was working with mypatients I had an 85% success
rate.
Not good enough for me.
That meant 50% of my patientsweren't getting what they were
paying for and that bothered me.
So I went and I did researchand I found out the relationship
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between the mind and the body,how that affected them, because
it didn't matter how I changedthe ac and the body.
How that affected them, becauseit didn't matter how I changed
the acupuncture points, whatother herbal formulas that I put
together, they still couldn'tget past a certain stage.
It's like they kept hitting thewall.
So that 15% that research thatI did led me to working with the
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mind and the body.
And seeing that relationshipalso led me to develop my
intuition to the point where Icould see and sense exactly what
was going on.
That made things go faster forme to find out.
Oh, this is the reason whyyou're having that, because
people that come and they starttalking to you and they start
telling you because they'retrying to figure out what's
(01:04):
wrong.
That's why they're there.
You don't go to a doctor ifnothing's wrong.
So they're trying.
So they've tried everything.
They're trying to figure it out.
They can't figure it out.
And if I look at, let's say,what I might have learned from
my textbooks, that wouldn't giveme the answer either, because
most people you know your livesdon't really fit into a textbook
(01:25):
.
We get a description and we getsome kind of standard of care,
and but everybody doesn't fitthat.
So that led me to the mind-bodyconnection and then I started
realizing, the more and more Iworked with people, my intuition
, my insights became keener.
It wasn't just that I went tothe textbook and figured out
patterns, it was like all of asudden I'm like, oh, this is
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really what's going on with thisperson.
This is, you know, and it's noteven anything they told me I'll
just get.
This is really what's happeningwith them and then at first,
when I started hearing this isreally what's happening with
this person, I would go, uh,should I even say this to this
person?
Because it would sound so outthere to me, because I'm
(02:09):
listening and I'm like thatdoesn't even make any sense,
wait a minute, so you can admitthat the things that you say,
they sound bizarre to you aswell.
Very, Because my background isscience and research.
I am very you got to measure it, you got to prove it, you've
got to be able to um verify it,you got to be able to replicate
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it or it doesn't exist.
So I come from this very kindof square, kind of researchy,
sciencey type of mindset,thinking and all of that.
That's why I told you the bookwe're reading frustrates me,
because when you mentionedresearch, I'm like where's the
rest?
of the information about thisresearch.
So that was my frustrationreading this book, because I'm
(02:53):
like don't mention the read,don't tease me.
Like you mentioned the research, but you didn't go into what it
actually said, right so?
So that's my background.
So when I started receivingintuitive information from the
patient laying there on thetable and I would say it sounds
like their liver is telling meoh, she told you this, but this
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is what the real issue is andthat's how I started processing
it, when I was still firstworking with someone.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
And this would sound bizarre.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
To you It'll sound bizarre because it wouldn't fit
anything.
They just told me.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wait, so it didn't sound.
So okay, I want to make surewe're understanding.
So for me, saying bizarre isjust the whole thing of you
saying what the liver just saidyeah, you saying bizarre On
their liver issue and then allof a sudden, their liver is
spilling the tea.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
They're like, oh no, it has nothing to do with what
this person just said.
And it's not that the person'slying, it's that they're unaware
, they don't know themselves.
They're trying to figure it out.
So they're really honestly,truthfully, trying to find an
answer to resolve this problem.
So they have a bad liver.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
So then I'm working on no, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is the bizarre.
I'm sticking with the wordbizarre because I want to make
sure that what I'm saying isbizarre is what you're saying is
bizarre.
You don't think it's bizarre tosay that a liver spoke to you?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, you do Not anymore.
When the first time.
Then Then it was bizarre.
Okay, now it's like routine,almost You've accepted it.
That's what's going on withthem.
You know, you do it for so manyyears.
It becomes second nature.
But the first time I was like,okay, I'm hearing this voice in
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my head and I'm listening and Icould actually hear to the liver
.
Okay, this is going to make youlaugh.
I could actually hear to theliver.
Okay, this is going to make youlaugh.
Most of the time when I hearthe person's body is speaking to
me that's why they call itmedical intuition it sounds like
the person's voice.
So if I was working with youand all of a sudden, let's say,
your heart starts to speak, ormaybe you have a bad knee and
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that part of your body starts tospeak, it sounds like your
voice.
The funniest one I ever had wasthis woman, and every time I
would tell her because peoplestarted hearing.
Oh, she could do this.
I started having people come tomy office to find out, well,
what was really happening withthem.
So I had this lady.
She was referred and she camein and she knew what I did and
she was all for it and what wasfunny about it?
(05:23):
The voice that her body spokein sound like a British butler.
She was a Caucasian woman, butthe voice sound like a British
man's voice.
And I'm like and I keptlaughing, I would tell her what
I'm hearing and then I'll giggle.
And I was like now that wasvery bizarre.
And then what was so funnyabout it?
As she asked, she said well,now that was very bizarre.
And then what was so funnyabout it?
As she asked, she said well,every time you told me something
(05:46):
, akia, you would giggle.
And I said, yes, it was strangebecause I said it sound like
whatever was narrating to mewhat was happening within your
body and within your life.
Sound like a British butler.
She looked at me, said yes, shesaid whenever I think about
stuff, I hear a British man'svoice.
You know like when you think,think about it, when you think,
(06:08):
you're hearing your thoughts,you're listening to your
thoughts, you're talking toyourself, not verbally, but
you're talking to yourself.
Here, she told me, and I waslike you hear a British man's
voice.
She said yeah, that's what Ihear in my head anytime I start
thinking.
But that's what I heardspeaking, told me about what was
happening during life.
(06:28):
She was having this issue.
So.
So by doing that, I'm able tolike bypass a lot of you know
standard care stuff, um, medicalstuff, like things that we've
learned, textbook stuff.
I'm able to bypass that or whatyou know society might.
Society might say if you havethis issue, this is probably
what it is like, a kind of onesize fits all energy.
(06:49):
I'm able to bypass it and say,well, yeah, those things are the
standard things, but this isreally what's going on with you.
And so when I say bizarre, atfirst I was like this person
didn't tell me nothing aboutthis when they came in.
It's not on their intake sheet.
You know, I'm looking at it.
Nothing's there about this.
This is what their body issaying, what the real issue is
(07:12):
really going on with this person.
And at first I was like, shouldI tell?
Should I even say anything?
This person is going to look atme like I'm weird and I would
hear, yeah, tell them.
And then I'll tell it to themand they'll say and I would hear
, yeah, tell them.
And then I'll tell it to themand they'll say, oh, yeah, that
makes so much sense.
And what I began to realizebecause I also taught this to
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students how to do medicalintuition.
The person would always go oh,yeah, yeah, that makes so much
sense now and it's almost like arelief will come over them and
they'll have some kind ofrelease will happen.
And then they have some kind ofrelease will happen, and then
they wouldn't have that issueanymore.
And then I used to tell mystudents, because they wanted to
learn how to do what I did, andI said don't worry if the story
(07:54):
sounds strange to you orbizarre that's what I mean.
Bizarre because it doesn't fitin what you're thinking, right?
I said don't worry if it soundsthat way, because it's not your
story, it's their story, right?
So someone else's story willalways sound strange to you,
okay, and the person's not awareof it.
(08:17):
Maybe something that hashappened when you were five?
Maybe you made a decision,something happened when you were
five.
You made a decision.
Your life is still running onthat five-year-old program.
Yes, you don't even remember,because you were five.
Maybe you made a decision.
Something happened when youwere five.
You made a decision.
Your life is still running onthat five-year-old program.
Yes, you don't even remember,because you were five.
Yeah, you don't even rememberwhy you even put that in place.
Yeah, those are the type ofthings that I found out.
It's like, okay, you're aboutfive and then this happened.
(08:39):
And then people thought, oh yeah, I remember something like that
.
Well, you made a decision atthat time to you know, your
relationship with people and theworld would be in this context
because you were protectingyourself from whatever happened
when you were five.
So every relationship or ifanything, people will come to me
(09:00):
because all of a sudden,something has triggered that
whole pattern to come back inplace and they can't figure out.
Why am I going through this?
Right, those are the things Ineed to find out.
Okay, will this happen and thisthing triggered?
It could have been a smell, itcould have been somebody said
something, maybe you sawsomething, you heard a sound, it
could be anything was thetriggering event and now your
(09:23):
life is like going topsy-turvyand you don't know why.
Can I ask a question?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Your gift.
Can you use your gift onyourself?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Not effectively, I can, but it's limited.
It's like, okay, think about it, you can massage yourself,
right, but it's more effectiveif somebody else massages you.
Yeah, all on my back but thereis.
You know, like I could massagemy leg.
I could, but it feels different.
(09:56):
There's because there's thisexchange of energy.
It's like the factor thatsomeone has put this energy into
it and in you know, like in thebible they talk about the
witness and where two and threeare gathered.
You know, there's somethingabout having that other person
and that other person's energyand spirit there with you.
That makes it more effectivethan if I just did it by myself
(10:22):
and then you have bias if you'redoing it by yourself.
You know, because you alreadyfigure, I know what this is all
about and it has, like I say, itmay have nothing to do with
that.
That's why I said it wasbizarre, because what they came
and told me was going on, whatI'm hearing, has nothing to do
with anything that theymentioned all week.
So that's what I mean.
(10:43):
So, even your own bias, youcan't see certain things that
they're, you're blinded to themthat makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Um uh, I heard someone say that your gift is
not for you.
Actually, my pastor, pastordarius daniels, said your gift
is not.
It helped me so much to be ableto know that my gifting was not
for me, that there's nothingwrong with me, that there are
(11:12):
things that I do that I'm ableto help people with, but I need
help doing that myself.
Even though I can help someone,amazingly, when I sit down to
do it for myself, I don't getthe same.
So it now you've.
You've had that it's muchbiased.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, it's much more effective when you have that
interchange between you andsomeone else, just like when you
show up and let's say you'recomforting someone.
Someone's going throughsomething they could.
They could like, doaffirmations they could do, but
it's not the same as if someonecomes in and tries to comfort
you.
There's a different.
There's a difference in theenergy, the way it feels and all
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of that that we need.
And the thing with our societywe're so isolated now, we're so
afraid of any kind of intimacywith each other and I don't mean
intimacy, sexual, I mean justintimacy.
Yes, you know the caring forone another and all of that.
We just got into society wherewe're like everybody's,
suspicious of everybody and youknow which is a really harsh
(12:18):
place to be.
So one of the things that I wasgiven, you know, like I said,
we talk about gifts.
We're given different purposesto do.
So I was given to be a teacher,be a healer.
So I've done those things.
When I was given creation, thiswas back around 2010,.
I started doing this work whenI was given that work to do and
(12:42):
then I was told that I wassupposed to also teach people
how to do this.
So so far I've taught a littlebit over a hundred people that
I've taught to do this work.
The other thing I was taught isthat now I have to make it
public.
So that's part of the reasonwhy I joined MMU, because I was
like I have this, this gift,this, this calling um or this
(13:08):
mission.
I should say it feels more likea mission at this point.
I have this mission that I haveto make it public.
How do I make it public?
I mean, I'm known in Orlando, Ihave taught people in that
sphere, but I have to go outsideof the?
The and go into a bigger pond,which is the world.
And how do I bring this topeople now?
(13:29):
So I joined MMU specificallyfor that reason, because I knew
this is what I need to get thisword out to people, that this is
available.
So more people we could servemore people.
And then, prior to joining MMU,I kept seeing the beginnings of
a community, because it's onething, let's say you have a
(13:50):
certain pattern with your moneyand we clear that pattern up,
but without the support ofhaving others around you that's
also moving in that directionwith you, without that level of
support and that community andall of that.
It makes it harder for you tomove forward.
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It makes it harder for you toadvance and really reach out and
serve on the level that youshould be serving.
And when we think about the factthat we have the gift of this
internet and one of the thingsthat my, when I sit down and I,
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you know, I call it a band ofangels.
Some people say it's aspiritual guide, whatever to me.
I don't get really caught intosemantics, but that inner
guidance that I have and that Ihear around me.
They said they created theInternet because they want all
of us to be able to connect witheach other, because we've got
other things that need to bedone.
(14:54):
Yes, fun, but you know, thefocus have been, you know, on
anything but doing things thatwill move the consciousness of
the planet and move usspiritually and elevate us
upward.
And they say this is reallywhat they had put it there for
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us to be able to use this toolright that we have for that.
So what you're doing is a wayof moving things forward now,
and you might not have thoughtof it that way, but the fact
that you said, hey, I got to getpeople out there.
You're doing that becausethat's moving that there.
So then people start seeing it.
(15:37):
Oh, I don't have to clownmyself, I don't have to, you
know, strip and show my wholebody.
I don't have to do silly dances, I don't have to be, you know,
unpaid entertainer.
You know I could actually dothings.
That's going to be meaningful.
And we're not saying thatanything's wrong with any of
those things.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that we have, you know how much power.
(16:00):
It is, that at the push of abutton you could reach millions.
You could reach everybody onthis planet.
You know the level of a button.
You could reach millions.
You could reach everybody onthis planet with a push of a
button.
You know the level of powerthat is.
But we have not really processedit and look at it like, oh my
God.
So if we're going to servepeople, we have a tool that we
could serve people soefficiently, yes, and so that's
(16:24):
one of the things that wasdownloaded to me and I'm like,
yeah, I have to see how thiswhole thing and how to you know.
So in the group that we're inin the community, we're learning
how to present ourselvespublicly.
We're learning how to do all ofthese things, because that's
one of the things that I've beenasking for.
I need to understand how to dothese things and how to do them
properly.
(16:44):
Yes, otherwise it felthaphazard to me until I joined
this community yes, and themorning meetup.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
David shands has done something that I feel is
absolutely spectacular.
Not a word I use, but thisspectacular, spectacular.
You know, you go to the circus,circus, and it's like, oh my
goodness, that's spectacular,they just did this, they just
did that.
I feel like every day I getsomething, because I come with a
(17:17):
high expectation of gettingsomething now.
Every day I get a lot ofinformation, but then I get that
thing that I know, oh mygoodness, I need it.
That right now yes, so I'm sograteful to David Shands and the
Morning Meet.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We're absolutely grateful to him and the
community that he's created,because I was told prior to
joining the Morning Meetup thatI was supposed to create a
creation community and I had noidea what that looked like.
How would we do that?
And I looked at other programsthat you know people well, what
they call it a mastermind orsome community, and I looked at
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it, but what I didn't see withthem, they were so stringent.
Yeah, you know, like youcouldn't say this, you couldn't
talk about this, you couldn'tlet people know what you did.
You know there was so manyrules and regulations and I'm
like is this?
I don't know if that's.
And so when I came to themorning meetup and I saw the way
David allowed people to be freelike we wouldn't even have this
(18:19):
happening right now If hedidn't say you all need to talk
with each other.
You all need to collaborate withone another.
You all need to talk with eachother.
Y'all need to collaborate withone another.
Y'all need to.
There's about 300 of you onthis call.
Y'all need to get to know oneanother.
This is the point of havingcommunity.
So the fact that he was so intopushing community, I'm getting
more of an inkling.
This is what the communityshould feel like.
(18:40):
This is what the communityshould look like.
So then it brought me back to,like Akiaia, when you do stuff,
you have a way that you love toaccommodate people, you love to
host people, you, you love tojust make people feel good
around you, and all of that.
So then, all of a sudden, Ifelt this ease that, oh, the
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community would feel like mypersonality, because what we get
is dav's personality.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yes, we do.
We get high energy First thingin the morning, high energy.
The first thing we start out isaccountability.
He's like look, you're inbusiness, you're trying to do
something.
You have you know, you havegoals and aspirations.
Let's break these things downinto bite size, palatable,
(19:31):
little mini meals and let'sdecide what are you doing today?
What are you doing today?
Just two, three things thatyou're doing today to move the
needle forward in where you'regoing, your goals, your
aspirations, because they can'tjust be goals and aspirations.
(19:52):
You actually have to be takingaction.
So I feel as though there hedoesn't just express you need to
take action, you need to takeaction, you need to take action.
He makes room for you toactually have to create your
plan, bite by bite, piece bypiece, ingredient by ingredient.
(20:13):
He brings the most amazingpeople to come in and pour into
us, literally like I'm sittingthere thirsty and it just it
washes over me and I'm like,okay, absolutely, that answered
this and now I know how to takethese next three steps.
I don't allow all theinformation to overwhelm me.
(20:36):
I take it palatable and then Igo, and so I feel as though I
grow every day.
He keeps me focused on my goals.
Yes, into that call.
Every day with David Shahankeeps me focused on what my
(20:56):
goals are and it also helps meto create and make them bigger,
because he's constantly growingmy thinking towards it.
Yeah, constantly growing myrelationship with my business,
in my business, my relationshipwith people.
(21:18):
I know you because of him.
Yeah, Because of him.
I know I haven't spoken withyou, like we haven't been in
tight communication sinceepisode eight, but it's episode
23.
All it took was a call and atext.
Yes, that was it and we're notsure why, because we see each
other every morning.
(21:39):
We're not talking just betweenus, we're talking with a group
of people around the world thattake time to get on a call and
just learn more business thingto become more business.
But it's not even just businessminded.
He's shaping your character,your conduct, your commitment to
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doing the things that you needto do to be able to accomplish
the purpose.
The service that you said weprovide.
Your purpose is your service.
It comes easy to you and bringsyou joy.
And brings you joy and makesyou happy.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And makes you happy, because they you know one of the
things, like I said, I hear,you know, I just listen like
people talk about they getdownloads, I get a lot of them
and I listen and they said yourpurpose is your happiness, it's
the thing that makes you happy.
So not only are you serving,it's the thing that brings you
(22:39):
joy, it's the thing that makesyou happy.
That's why some people figurewhy would people pay?
Pay me money?
Because it makes me feel goodto do this thing.
So that's the things about themoney and the purpose that it
was like.
That's why I had to do a classon that we're going back to the
bible.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Your gift will make room for you.
A gift is something that youenjoy, it's something, something
that I mean it when you.
It's always a gift.
We love getting gifts, rightyeah, you just smile, you're
elated, you're excited, you'relike, oh, my goodness, and that
you're so correct.
That's how you should feelabout your purpose.
(23:21):
You should be bubbling over withjoy in doing your purpose,
bubbling over with you in doingyour purpose and, and for me,
stepping back, just like before,in looking at david.
Looking at david he justfinished the podcast and his
purpose was just to serveeveryone that was there and made
(23:42):
sure that they left with aneven higher awareness of what it
is they were doing, why theywere doing it, how to do it.
Because if this takes you, he'slike listen, if you just got
one good thing, that in itself,take that thing and work that
thing so that you can go to thenext thing, your purpose being
(24:08):
your service.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I've never had it.
It energizes you and itenergizes you.
Yeah, you know I could be tired, I could be like my eyes are
closing and I may get a call.
Somebody might call me.
It might be an emergency calland somebody needs my help and I
start doing my work with them,I start doing creation or I
start doing my intuitive workwith them to see what really is
happening to them and by the endof that call, I'm no longer
(24:32):
sleepy, I'm no longer tired, Iam energized.
Yes, so that's how you knowyour purpose.
It brings, it makes you happy,it brings you joy and you feel
energy doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So, yeah, you revealed something very powerful
because you're saying that itbrings you joy, it brings you
energy, so you should be able topinpoint when you're doing
something just for the money.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, I remember doing something for the money
what was it again?
And I was like, oh my God, if Ihave to do any more of this.
I can't remember what the jobwas because I've cleared so many
patterns, but I remember beingon the job and I was getting
paid.
Well, there was the opportunityto make really good money doing
(25:19):
this job.
But I was like, oh my God, if Ihave to do this for the rest of
it, just shoot me already.
That's how I felt.
It wasn't the money.
So then you realize even thatand that's one of the other 17
ways when you're doing thingsyou hate and that says up your
money.
You know, like some people, youwonder and they're always
(25:41):
complaining I hate my job andthey go and it's this drudgery
and that is not what God wantedyou to experience.
This is not the reason you wereput here and people don't get
it.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, and you're right, there is a fear behind
walking in your gifting.
There's a big fear.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
There's a fear that's the whole thing about money and
perk.
Because I remember, you know,I'd have a graduating class and
I taught one of the graduatingclasses at the college the
acupuncture college and I knewthey were getting, you know they
were leaving, they would haveto start their own businesses
(26:26):
and so forth.
So we've trained them inmedicine, we've trained them in
everything that they need topass their license and exams and
that kind of stuff.
But now we didn't really trainthem in how to run a business
like what we're reading on themorning meetup.
We're learning that david shanzis teaching us that.
So that's the training thatwe're getting, but we're not
taught that in medical school.
(26:47):
So most doctors make the worstbusiness and they're usually not
good with money.
They make the worst business.
They just make a lot of it, butthey're really not good with it
because they're not reallytaught that about money.
So I would say I would do aclass talking to them about
their next step when they leaveand I'll talk to them about the
business aspect of the medicineand they would sit there and
(27:12):
they'll be stunned and I'll say,um well, how much are you going
to charge for your services?
And you know they'll, they'lljust have an arbitrary number.
I'll charge $35, I'll charge$50, I'll I'll charge 75.
And I'm like well, how did youcome to?
That's what you need to charge.
And they're like, well, theyjust figured.
Well, people won't be upset ifI say $75, or you know, it's
(27:36):
like they had this weirdthinking and I said, okay, why
would you try?
And I told them what I charged,which was like double or triple
what they wanted to charge, andthey'll go like, oh my God, you
charge that much.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Did you all?
Did you I'm sorry, I don't meanto interrupt Did you?
When you first started charging?
How did you feel?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I felt fine.
I had no issue about chargingfor my service.
Okay, let me tell you what Idid.
Issue about charging for myservice?
Okay, let me tell you what Idid when, when I was an intern,
we had to do a certain number ofpatients.
You know like that was theregular.
You know, in order to get yourlicense you have to get it,
whether it was 200, 300, 400.
(28:19):
I can't remember what my numberwas, but I said when I hit that
number, my next person wasgoing to pay me.
That was while I was an intern.
I was like all this free laborand all I'm learning a lot, but
this next person, the next timeI stick a needle in somebody's
body, they're paying me to dothat.
So I had no issue aroundcharging the services at all and
(28:43):
I did.
I stopped.
I gave all my patients to myclassmates who were short on
patients.
I gave them all my patients andI just stayed in the herbal
pharmacy and I made everybodyformulas because I really wanted
to hone in on that skill evenmore so, my entire last semester
of school I treated nobody.
Wow, because my next patientthat walked that I put in need
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was going to pay me.
I had made up my mind that'show it was going to be.
So I sort of had that issue withcharging for services.
But when the students would askme, they said, oh my God, you
charge that much.
How do you even ask the person?
And I said well, at the end ofthe treatment I just say would
you like to pay with a check,cash or credit card?
That's it.
(29:26):
I mean, this is something thatwe do every single day.
We go into the store, you payfor things, we have these
transactions all the time, sowhy should it be doing any
different when it's somethingthat you're doing?
That makes no sense and theperson would look at you odd,
like you just did a service.
They're used to paying forthings.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Can I?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
say that I want to pay you.
This is something going onwithin you, not the person
you're treating.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But most people.
I find that when most peoplestart their businesses, they go
in their small sphere of peoplethat they know when their
products, service in this worldis to be opened up to the world.
Yes, because more times thannot, where you're actually going
to rejection to be seen, whereyou're actually going to be
accepted, where your value isactually going to be needed, is
(30:24):
outside of.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
And part of the other 17 ways is fear of success and
fear of rejection.
Fear of failure and rejectionand fear of success.
That is.
And I didn't have that goinginto business because to me
business just felt logical.
It's like I pay.
If I want shoes, I gotta payfor it.
If I want groceries, I gottapay for it.
So why wouldn't somebody wannapay me?
That was just how my logicalmind worked.
(30:48):
But some people they don't feel.
Or with women, like we talkabout women, they will
undercharge because they'retaught that you're not supposed
to have money.
It's like something that hasgone on for millennia.
With women it's been thousandsof years of women not being able
to handle money.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And then in the last 50 years.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
They're handling money.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
They have a weird relationship to money.
So women undervalue andundercharge all the time.
So when I would see femaleslike guys will charge, like,
okay, a guy would have a beat upold car and you'll say, well,
how much you want for the car,he'll tell you the $3,000.
They got this system in it.
He'll tell you $3,000.
It's some beat up old car likewhat we call Hoopty, right,
(31:31):
he'll charge a lot for that youask a woman the same question.
She's like I don't know, like$1,000, maybe $900.
That's how women will approachit.
Because of the difference inhow we are taught about money.
You know our roles toward moneywhether you're a male or female
.
So just by being a man or awoman, you have a different
(31:53):
experience and you have adifferent relationship to money.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You said it Our roles towards money, because I feel
as though women let's see, I'mjust going to pick one thing
that women do we were.
I have given example.
I'm going to give an example.
I literally joked with someoneand said I just did all of this,
(32:20):
so I know you paying for lunch.
And he literally said wait, aminute, if I'm paying for lunch,
you know what you're going tohave to do and I'm like wait,
how does that lunch equate to anintimate?
I would say the way he wassaying transaction.
You can't do that with me, buthow do you equate?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Because men are taught your interaction, because
men do not really, and this isjust something I observed just
for life.
Men are not really interestedin relationships with women,
unless it's food and sex.
Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You said what and what Food and sex.
Food and sex.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Food and sex.
And there was a cartoon.
I'll tell you the cartoon andit was so true because that's
psychologically what they think.
So, um, men are interested inrelationship with other men
because they they measurethemselves against other men,
they measure their successwithin themselves against other.
They don't measure those thingsagainst women, right?
(33:27):
And if you have a woman that'sdoing that, she's out of her
place, who does she think she iswithin themselves?
Against others?
They don't measure those thingsagainst women, right?
And if you have a woman that'sdoing that, she's out of her
place, who does she think she is?
She's trying to be a man.
You know, you get all of that.
So that's where that comes from.
Because men, you know, men gettheir admiration, they're
successful based on how theymeasure up to other men.
Yes, so they measure up toother men.
Yes, so they always want to bein more relationships.
(33:50):
So women were thinking, oh,we're doing this, this and this.
And the guys no, he doesn'tlook at us from that angle,
because they're taught fromtheir small Women.
Have, you know, they feed you,they feed you, take care of you,
and you know they're not yourmom, you have sex, right.
Or your sister, right, you havesex with them.
That's the relationship.
So they're taught very early.
(34:11):
That's what how you deal with awoman.
So it isn't odd for him tothink that.
Right, because the culture andeverything has told him that
this is the relationship youhave with this person because
she's a woman, whereas if it'sanother man, he'll be like yeah,
let's hang out together, let'stalk about this, let's do this.
(34:32):
I'm doing so.
Men are always, you know, likeI don't want to say, but they
measure the D with each other.
They're always D measuring witheach other.
That's where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So it's always that with other men, whether's
competition or whatever.
It's towards other men, it'snot towards men, right?
Yeah, so that's why I'm sorry.
So that's why they like to hangout with them and just just, oh
, I'm going to hang out with myboys.
Something's going on.
I need to talk with my boysAlways, my boys, oh, my boys.
(35:10):
Kid is having a party.
Let me get there.
Well wait, you didn't come toyour own kid's party, or you
didn't?
I got to support my boys, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
For your own, but you A whole different.
It's like a whole different.
Like they said, what men arefrom Mars, women are from it's a
whole other world.
And you start looking atpeople's worldview, because I
not only study but I observe.
So I just observe.
It's not what people say orwhat we tell is supposed to be
this way.
I just observe.
Okay, you say that, but whatare you actually doing?
(35:41):
So I just sit back and Iobserve and I say, oh, it's not
relationship with women that areimportant to men, it's a
relationship with other men.
Now, the relationship to men areimportant to women because men
was your source of survival forthousands of years.
You know you would put up withall types of stuff.
(36:02):
You know he could be anything,but it meant that my child would
be able to survive and live andthrive.
And as long as I'm attached tothis man and that's why, you
know, even in politics you lookat it and they say, well, women
are voting against this, but itdoesn't really serve the purpose
of women or serve theadvancement of women.
But the relationship and thesupport and security of being
(36:24):
attached to the male is moreimportant than some feminine or
female thing.
That's the reason why thatdecision, because then that
means that my child get to havethese other privileges or
resources.
That means that my family getto have certain privileges and
status and resources.
If I attach myself to the man,it doesn't help me attaching
(36:45):
myself to the women that have nopower.
So that's where all of that.
So that's why, when people saythey vote against their own
interests, that's the reason why, because I look and I say, oh,
that's curious, I wonder why.
And then I start to observe andI said, oh yeah, then if you
have to make that decision, it'sgoing to be your kids, kids,
your household, and all of thatis way more important than some
(37:09):
sisterhood thing, if it comesdown to that, you are correct.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
You are correct yet again, my mind, my mind, ma'am,
stretched yeah, my mind.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Well, people don't think about that, but the reason
why I think about all thesethings.
So people come to me and theyhave all these issues and then I
have to find out what's thecause of them having that
particular issue or symptom ordisease or whatever it is.
So I have to look at like awide swath of what's going on,
so it's not just the personwhat's happening in their
environment, what's going onaround them, what's been going
(37:50):
on through their bloodlines andtheir genetics.
You know what's happening withtheir body, what are they eating
.
I have to take in a whole lotof factors and that's why the
intuition helps, because if Ihave to go each one with my mind
, it'll take forever.
So that's why I'm really gladthat I was able to go like a
laser, like the little missilesthat can find things.
(38:12):
I could go right to it withintuition.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
It's so much it could be anything.
Someone walks in the door.
It could be anything is thereason why they're having a
problem.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yes, yes, your intuition is is, for me,
unmatched.
I've I've never met anyone withthe depth and height of the
gifting that you have, height ofthe gifting that you have.
(38:52):
Thank you, I'm very honored, um, even for you to take the time
to have these conversations withme.
That's why I was so honored.
I'm like she's back.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
She's back, that is.
But you know what's interesting?
Yeah, Because over the yearscause mine was out of necessity
I had to find out what was goingon with my patient and how I
could help them, and I went from85% to a 95% success rate, with
people healing, Because it wasalways why are they not healing?
(39:19):
I don't understand why they'renot healing.
So I went from that to that andthe 5% is I realized is things
that's out of my scope.
They need another practitioner,they needed another form of
treatment.
What I have to give them is notwhat they need.
So that's the 5% that I can'ttouch.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Now I respect you even more because you're saying
that listen, I'm not saying that100% of everything you can
admit where you're finding this,this isn't.
I can't help you If someone hasa severe infection.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
No, if someone got in a car accident, they have major
trauma or maybe they needsurgery, they have a tumor, they
have something else going onthat's outside of my scope.
They need to go there.
So I'm not going to sit thereand take their money and tell
them no, come into me, and I'mgonna.
No, you, you need to go havesurgery.
You know what's going on withyou is serious.
(40:14):
You need to go see the doctorright away.
You might need chemo.
You know, it's like things likeI wouldn't say to them.
They need chemo.
Of course, right, you need alab test and all of that.
But intuitively I might picklike.
I had someone call me from NewYork and she did everything.
Natural, she ate, natural, dideverything.
She did colonics for a living.
That was her job.
She did the whole alkalinewater before alkaline water was
(40:37):
a thing.
She was doing all of this stuff.
And she calls me on the phoneand she's telling me that she's
having a swollen abdomen.
It won't go down, and the firstword I hear is like oh my gosh,
she got cancer.
That's the thought that poppedin my head.
And she's calling me to tellher.
Well, what's happening?
So, ethically.
I can't say to someone on thephone you've got cancer, right.
(40:58):
So I said you need to go to thedoctor.
This sounds serious.
You need to go, because youknow a lot of those people with
all that natural stuff theydon't need like to go to the
western doctor.
That's part of their wholemakeup.
I said you need to go to thedoctor, find out what's
happening with you, even thoughI'm already hearing she has that
.
She called me back two dayslater.
She goes to the doctor.
She's upset with the doctorbecause they told you have
(41:19):
cancer.
But then she's reading thereport and the report doesn't
necessarily say you have cancer.
It said the findings looks likeyou know they put in a kind of
vague terminology becausethey're doing that for their own
protection from not gettingsued and malpractice and stuff
so the way.
So she's going through the finepoint of the word.
But it does say cancer on herreport, right, and she was an
(41:42):
unfortunately for you knowlovely woman.
She only lasted two monthsbecause she was very resistant
to even dealing with the factthat that's what was wrong with
her.
But as soon as I just heard shegot cancer like real loud, she
got cancer I was like, oh my God, but I can't say it ethically.
You know, you need to go toyour doctor, you need to find
(42:03):
out what's going on, you need togo get the go through the
proper procedures and protocols.
And all of that because notnumber one?
It also protects me, right?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
you know as a practitioner.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, but that's one of the things that I know is
that a lot of times, people justhave a hard time, you know,
dealing with different thingsgoing on in their life, and me,
with my intuition, I always finda way to tell it to people in a
way that they could hear Right,you know so, and don't think
just because I'm saying to you,oh, you need to go to your
(42:41):
doctor, means you got somethingthat serious.
That's not what I'm saying.
It could be like you need to goget a checkup or you're a
little bit run down.
You may need some vitamins orsomething.
You need blood work done, youknow it could be anything like
that, and that's why I said that5% is not something that I do,
I realize that.
But that 95% well, I felt goodthat I said 95% of the people
that come and see me.
I could truly help them becausethey're paying me for that work
(43:03):
.
So I feel better that I amactually honoring the promise
that I make to them when theycome and see me.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Honoring the promise that I make to them when they
come see me.
That is not a great statementto live by, to serve by.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't boycott.
I don't boycott the heck out ofa store if I go there, or a
restaurant.
You did not give me what I paidfor.
I'm like, oh, that's my petpeeve, I don't care how much it
costs, it's not even a priceissue for me, I don't care what
it costs, just give me what Ipaid for and it's good.
I feel that if I'm not doingthat for any client or any
(43:46):
patient, I don't feel good aboutit.
I just want to make sure thatthe promise, my promise of the
contract with you is when youcome and see me, you expect to
get these results, and if Idon't deliver them, it bothers
me Right.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
All right, well, we don't want anything to be
bothering you.
Yes, anything be bothering you.
Yes, oh, I appreciate you.
Thank you so much for stayingfor the after party.
Yeah, thank you.
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