February 13, 2024 • 61 mins
You know, as we age, we often face various health issues and pains, and sometimes it feels like we're constantly reaching for medications or undergoing invasive procedures. But what if there was another way? What if we could tap into the ancient wisdom of acupuncture to find relief and healing?
Lola, who is a practitioner of acupuncture and Chinese medicine, shares her incredible knowledge and experiences with us. She explains how acupuncture works by stimulating specific points in our bodies to restore balance and flow of energy. It's like a gentle mechanic for our bodies, helping us release tension, reduce pain, and even address emotional and psychological issues.
What is fascinating is that acupuncture is not just about treating symptoms, but it's also about listening to our bodies and understanding the deeper messages they're trying to convey. Lola encourages us to slow down, be present, and truly connect with our bodies. By doing so, we can uncover the root causes of our pain and make lifestyle changes that support our overall well-being.
Some of us may have reservations or misconceptions about acupuncture, but Lola addresses those concerns too. She assures us that acupuncture is safe, even for those on medications or with specific health conditions. And for those of us who are afraid of needles (like John!), Lola's gentle approach and calming presence can help ease our fears.
So, my friends, if you're looking for a natural and holistic approach to healing, we highly recommend giving acupuncture a try. It's not just about the physical benefits, but also about embracing a new way of thinking and being in tune with our bodies. Let's explore this ancient practice together and discover the transformative power of acupuncture and explore how these practices can collaborate with modern medicine.
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John (00:11):
Hi, I'm John,
Erin (00:13):
and I'm Erin.
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John (00:20):
tune in each week as we break down complex subjects into
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Erin (00:32):
Our guest today has an amazing energy all around her
when you meet her.
She grew up in the PacificNorthwest where the salty air
meets the lush forest and thesun always even if it's behind
the clouds.
The beauty of the forestnurtures her curiosity of the
natural world, and she'sfollowed this path to receive an
undergraduate degree in herbalscience and a graduate degree in
(00:56):
acupuncture, this along with herlove of astrology and curiosity
of all the cultures intertwinedthrough a beautiful alchemy
dance the unique medicine hergift to you, helping people
transform physical, uh,energetic, emotional, and soul
(01:16):
patterns as they walk the spiralof life she strives for every
day.
she's a multidimensionaltransformational guide and
practitioner of acupuncture,herbal medicine, evolutionary
astrology, holistic health.
Radiant beauty.
She's ready to share with us howshe has transformed many lives
(01:38):
through the use of acupuncture,
Lauren (01:43):
Welcome, Lola.
Thank you.
I'm so excited to be here.
It's such an honor and apleasure.
Erin (01:50):
I know when we were talking, we met a couple weeks
ago at a women's event and wewere standing outside in line
and I was like, oh my gosh, wehave to have her on like she.
Like I said, she just radiatesthis energy and you get around
her and you can't help but go,all right, I'm in a good spot.
I'm in a safe spot.
This is all here for me.
John (02:12):
I'm not just saying this, but I can feel it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool.
So if you can share a little bitabout your story, what you got
in this industry what led you tospecialize in acupuncture,
Lauren (02:27):
care and pain relief.
Sure, yeah.
I feel like my true north hasalways been, yeah.
a resonance with the naturalworld.
I loved to garden with my momgrowing up, and some of the most
potent memories I have were,staring at the stars at night
when we were camping as kids,and Those things have always
(02:50):
been like the little whispers inthe background of our norm life,
you know, are consistent, themachine of culture, I guess is
what I'll call it.
but they've been the whispersthat have brought me home to
myself.
and so this circuitous path, to,the very, seemingly random,
(03:13):
being a practitioner ofacupuncture and Chinese
medicine, It's, it was alwaysnature that was guiding me.
and Chinese medicine is abeautiful reflection of nature
and the elements.
So it's about the weatherpatterns.
and so we would tend to theorgan systems and the weather
patterns within that reflect theweather patterns of nature
(03:36):
without, and as a symbolicmedicine, that's why, a 5, 000
year old medicine is stillrelevant today because, back in
the day we might treatsomething, Like a hot phlegm,
like a baked phlegm.
This is you can just imaginewhat that might look like in
your head.
Yeah, And then maybe somebodyhas cancer that it is like a
damp phlegm or a hot phlegm, andwe're going to treat it the same
(03:58):
way, as we would, across theboard.
Or maybe two people have thesame type of cancer, but one
presents more hot and onepresents more cold.
we're going to treat dampnessand phlegm, but one we're going
to be warming and one we'regoing to be cooling or siphoning
off the excess of the heat.
So it's really like you'reholding these things a little
more loosely, a little moresymbolically.
(04:21):
I like to think of character, aChinese medicine and those
radicals are almost like abouquet of meaning.
It's symbolic, And because it'ssymbolic, it evolve and change
and still be relevant with whatwe're experiencing, in modern
times.
a tangent, but...
Erin (04:40):
No, I love look at it.
John (04:43):
and So for those...
of our listeners that don'tunderstand acupuncture Chinese
medicine, correct?
Lauren (04:51):
yeah, yeah.
Acupuncture is acu means cave,and so we're actually like
engaging these.
Places along the body, if thebody is the body of the earth,
the entire terrain of the bodyhas rivers of tree, chi, these
meridians, these acupuncturelines that flow, and along the
(05:12):
flow there's a pool, and then itgets wider, and then there's the
sheik cleft points along thebody are these places where the
qi or the energy, or the blood.
dive deep into the body, andthen
Erin (05:59):
life into your tomorrow?
for some healing.
Yeah, all kinds of that.
Lauren (06:28):
the main inflammatory response.
There's a detox, and exchange ofnutrients.
And what we find in the mostsimplest terms, there's this
saying, butongzitong, If not...
Harmony and flow and a gentlemovement, then pain and
(06:49):
stagnation and cell death.
Really, simple.
It's like, what we're doing, I'ma little, I'm a body mechanic
and I am helping to increaseflow in the body where there
isn't flow.
there isn't flow, there'susually pain and cell death.
John (07:04):
pain and cell death.
People that, as we age, we havecertain symptoms or something
that happens to us and we go tothe doctor.
They prescribe us a medication,and sometimes there's some
pretty severe side effects.
(07:25):
from those medications.
And I for one don't love a lot
Erin (07:31):
we try to
John (07:32):
yeah.
But it's a whole, it's a wholelifestyle, even our food food
has so much, horrible things init sometimes.
and we have to be really carefulwith all Of that.
So it's almost like, alifestyle, I definitely think
that acupuncture has
Erin (07:47):
its, place.
And, I have so many questionsbecause I'm so curious and I
don't know which direction to gointo.
Go ahead.
So just out of my own curiosity,I have an ankle pain.
I was, we were in Bali and I gotin a motorbike accident.
would you suggest doingacupuncture
Lauren (08:05):
on it Absolutely.
for healing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, If there's like a physicalrupture that's intended,
something's wrong there.
I would definitely support.
The acupuncture is going tosupport the blood, coming in
exchange of nutrients, any deadcells coming out.
but yeah, like a lifestylething, I would also say maybe
(08:26):
contrast hydrotherapy, whereyou're doing hot and cold water
to help flush, again, flush.
from a Chinese medicineperspective, going back to what
you were saying about how wechoose maybe pharmaceuticals.
we are in a culture ofconvenience, and that actually
comes at a great cost that wedon't remember that convenience
(08:48):
is actually stealing from ourlives the actual experience.
And because Chinese medicine isa reflection of nature, often
the slower way, the morePersistent present way is going
to be healing over the long run.
If I choose to take a drug, I'mnot actually present for my
body.
I'm not being there for my body.
(09:10):
I would talk to your foot.
I, would, of the practices Ihave with my son, my five year
old son, is all we will tell ourbody that we love each other.
I love you feet.
And part of it is presencing inthe body to get him to settle
into his nervous system so hecan In our culture, western
(09:59):
culture, and we have to reorienthow we even experience, natural
medicine, holisticpractitioners, acupuncturists,
right?
We are not sick care, westernallopathic medicine is.
It gets to a certain point andit has to be heroic in its
medicine, and I'm grateful forthat.
If I get in an accident, I wantthat.
But, as an acupuncturist, It isabout educating people about
(10:24):
preventative medicine.
It's about little shifts in thelifestyle change.
One of my favorite things aboutacupuncture is that it actually
increases your awareness of yourbody.
We have all these new anddifferent sensations that we're
experiencing with the pins thatmap new neuronal pathways and
therefore as we move through ourlives we become more aware of
(10:46):
how we hold ourselves.
So if I'm, if I have tension inmy shoulders constantly and I'm
not even aware of it, I don'thave pain.
and I, And then I might reachfor the aspirin, when really all
I need to do is have moreawareness to take a breath And
to settle in my system and feelmore grounded, feel more
connected.
Maybe I wanna take my socks offand put my feet in the dirt.
(11:09):
And it's really creating thespaciousness in our lives to
attune to the
Erin (11:15):
I know that when I go to the dentist, they'll be like,
your tense and your muscles,your teeth are, I don't know how
to explain it.
But it's like you say, I findthat myself doing them and doing
exactly what you say.
I'm like, okay, I got torelease, I got to relax, I got
to let that out.
know before we get talking alittle bit more.
I don't really know whatacupuncture is or how it's done
(11:36):
or what it's incorporated.
So maybe explain a little bitwhat that is.
I know we know it's needles, butreally what is it?
I'm coming to you or somebodyand I'm like, Oh, I don't know.
Lauren (11:47):
I'm nervous.
.Yeah, sure.
What I doing?
Yeah, I wanna share that I wasin the a a naturopathic.
program for two years.
So I did the first two years ofmedical school, like the hardest
two and I remember being in alab diagnosis class where, you
know, all of the labs that youwould take, your cholesterol,
all of those things, and I justremember feeling wow, I would
(12:12):
rather have real life presentskills then have to rely on,
sending everything out to a lab.
And then being, reinterpreting,it was too
Erin (12:26):
or, maybe that's not the word.
Like the touch, the
Lauren (12:49):
there can there,
John (13:52):
Yeah, that's awesome.
so, somebody comes to you, theygive you a little bit of
information on what they'recoming to you for.
and then you create a plan ofcare based upon a lot of
different Diagnosis that youlook at the like their tongue or
their mouth or feel their bellyand just different things and
then you create a treatment planthat includes acupuncture,
(14:16):
herbs, different things to healthem
Erin (14:21):
But what I love about this and people goes, Oh my gosh,
it's so homeopathic and it's socrazy.
But before we had modernmedicine, what did we do?
What did our ancestors do?
they used the plants, they usedthe dirt, they used the trees,
the shrubs, the water.
They used
John (14:36):
everything to heal people.
Cause that was the only optionback then, and, And suddenly
they came out with these,pharmaceuticals and stuff like
that that they felt like, now ifyou take this pill, it gives you
all these, quick healingeffects.
That, that's a problem, man.
And you're so right, Lola.
(14:56):
I mean it's like we live in avery fast paced, very reactive
world.
And, I don't think our world, orI don't think people are taking
enough time to I understand Whothey are as individuals and what
they truly need to stay healthyand live
Erin (15:14):
Well, because we're being told, right?
It's like working out.
We're being told go hard and dothis.
But if you slow down and youfeel the muscles and you breathe
while you're doing it, you'regoing to understand your
muscles.
Just like if you slow down andfeel your pain, you're going to
know right where it's at to beable to treat it and go, Oh,
John (15:31):
it's not my knee.
It's my foot, it's alsounderstanding What those options
are.
Like for instance, I told youearlier when you arrived, at the
house, I said I'm terrified ofneedles, right?
I'm terrified of pins oranything poking into my skin,
throw me off a bridge I'll basejump or I'll kite surf or I'll
take extreme risks But you putme down on a table and start
poking me with all these thingsthen I panic, right?
(15:53):
It's and so how do you It's apractitioner, how do you calm
that fear?
How do you help peopleunderstand?
That this is something thatcould and they don't have to
fear.
Yeah.
Lauren (16:22):
And the other, I think the presence that I bring is
just as important as any needlethat I'm, inserting.
and I try and help people relax.
deeply and especially if they'renervous, I'm going to use tuning
forks and other things that getthem into that parasympathetic,
rest and digest nervous systemstate, so that they can be
(16:46):
settled and open before.
I do any acupuncture And evenafter that there might be a
little we're going to experiencea little endorphin rush.
Again, I'm trained in a littlebit of hypnosis, and so I'll
talk people through unfurlingtheir nervous system so they can
actually receive, the treatmenton
Erin (17:05):
the treatment on a deep level.
And the tuning fork, just sopeople know, it's like a two
prong, right?
And you just tap
Lauren (17:10):
you just tap it, and it's a tone that resonates on
it?
Yeah, it's a resonant frequencythat can, move transdermally, it
moves through the system, of thebody and the bones to help all
of the cells resonate together.
So again, we're creating,resonance throughout the system
that creates flow.
It opens the cells to havegreater expansion, better
(17:33):
communication, cellularexchange, detox,
Erin (17:39):
like our sound bath we went to.
Yes.
It was the first time I was everable to hold still for a
John (17:45):
I was ever able to hold still for a full hour.
I did not move.
Neither one of us did.
I'm Very distracted.
I'm always very busy person.
and yeah, fidgety and moving andstuff, but I was like completely
in a trance, so.
It was very interesting, butyeah, I, I definitely want to
try a treatment,
Lauren (18:02):
you get more done when you slow down.
You're more present.
yeah,
John (18:07):
focused.
Yeah,
Lauren (18:08):
Yeah, more
Erin (18:09):
focused.
for sure.
Yeah.
So as we age using acupuncture,it doesn't necessarily mean we
need to see you becausesomething's wrong.
We can come and go, maybe I'mfeeling a little off today.
Or maybe even, maybe a littlearthritis is sudden, or what are
things that.
They would truly come to you andthat you can see a difference
(18:29):
and
Lauren (18:30):
difference yeah so some of Those things, once they've
gotten far enough along down theroad, they're difficult to
manage, I'd love to speak to,your listeners directly, like,
now is the time to...
start implementing the lifestylethings that slow down, Be more
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present with your body.
Listen to your body.
Reorient, to, putting yourselfin the
Erin (19:31):
your body.
When you say listen to yourpain, What exactly
Lauren (19:38):
So when you hear your body, and it takes the
(20:36):
spaciousness that it does tounravel the terrain to
understand what our pain is
Erin (20:44):
sometimes, It's because we're moving so fast.
We never slowed down to beginwith, right?
I worked at an independentliving facility.
I was caregiving And I fell downthe flight of stairs, went,
they're like, your bones arefine, nothing's, you're fine.
I hurt for a good week.
And then about a year later itcame back and it's caused all
(21:05):
this chaos in my life.
Cause I'm like Oh, I can keepwalking.
I'll keep doing it.
They say that I'm fine.
I don't need to worry about it.
I just need to compartmentalizeit and brush it out.
But now it's coming back.
And sometimes I'm like, it'stelling slow down in life.
John (21:21):
and I'm telling her to speed up.
Come on, We got to go hike thismountain.
We got to do this.
We got to do that.
Go in and get surgery.
You got to get that thinghealed.
Because, We can't slow down.
We have
Erin (21:31):
to experience.
But what she's saying, maybe I'msupposed to slow down and I have
to pay attention to why is mybody telling me to slow down?
Is there something else brewing?
Or maybe it's being morecreative for something I'm
supposed to create for work orfor my kids, my family, for us.
John (21:47):
like why is my body getting slowed down right now?
Yeah.
one of the things that I'd liketo ask too is when it comes to
holistic health or things likechiropractic treatment.
what are some of the, oracupuncture, what are some of
the misconceptions that people,like they shut down right away,
right?
They, I've always been verycurious about so many different
(22:08):
things, and very open to tryingdifferent things.
If I'm not fearful, of course,like I am of needles.
But, what are some of themisconceptions that you feel
stop somebody from just givingit a chance?
Erin (22:28):
blue, Socially
Lauren (23:24):
and in terms as humans, it's the root.
It, modern allopathic medicineis
John (23:34):
I love what you said in the beginning, too, because It's
not like you're completelyagainst, medicine.
the way a lot of people view it,if you're in a car wreck or
something like that, and youneed some emergency care, you're
all for it, However, weshouldn't just reach out
immediately, like a knee jerkreaction, and just choose what a
(23:56):
modern society has told us tochoose.
Lauren (24:18):
principle of going direct and maybe this.
We need quick action, right?
Whereas the yin is let's takethe spaciousness to really
unfurl And understand thissymptom or this pain, this
experience we're having.
Erin (24:33):
have a question.
Is this safe older, puttingneedles or
John (24:44):
doing stuff.
Yeah.
The skin is thinner.
Erin (24:46):
Yeah.
I'm on different medications.
My blood is maybe thinner or myblood may be thicker or I have a
heart
John (24:54):
And yeah.
Can I do this with themedications that have been
prescribed to me by my primaryphysician or my specialist?
Lauren (25:08):
so I am supporting people in their very end of life
Where all of those things arepresent, friable skin, for sure,
heart conditions, COPD, all ofthose.
I see all of them.
and yes, it's safe.
I can use very thin needles, sothe thin skin is not an issue.
(25:29):
I
Erin (25:40):
And, if you
Lauren (25:55):
in that interaction because of the wisdom of her,
whole experience of life.
It was beautiful.
And I helped her with, with, hippain and digestive, pain.
She always slept better andlonger after our treatments.
John (26:12):
That's awesome.
Now, when it comes to the agingpopulation and they want to try
this out, do they ever come toyou and then suddenly you have
some pushback by the familybecause they're like, Mom, what
are you doing?
Going to see somebody for,acupuncture
Lauren (26:30):
It's usually the opposite.
The family is advocating for theacupuncture because they've had
experience with it and theythink it.
could help their
John (26:38):
Their mom or their dad.
Yeah,
Lauren (26:41):
Yeah.
That's great.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's, once, once you'veexperienced acupuncture, you may
not be able to understand ordescribe it, but you can be a
fan of it, really.
And that goes a long way,though, you
Erin (26:56):
want everyone in their life to try it.
and that kind of goes to wherein my mind I'm thinking, I'm now
seeing.
I'm an acupuncturist for my hipDo you see the progression as
you come and treat them?
And like, how long is thatprogression?
Is it an immediate, Oh my gosh,I feel so much better.
(27:17):
Or sometimes like we weresaying, it's a slow progression.
You may feel
Lauren (28:44):
up.
where they're in balance, andthey get to to that state of
balance.
Erin (28:49):
It's kinda gonna a chiropractor, right?
When your body just is notaligned and you go and they fix
you.
Yeah.
It's very similar, right?
Yeah.
You're just getting our bodyback in alignment.
John (28:59):
Mm wow.
Yeah.
I'm
Erin (29:02):
excited.
Sign me up.
I know.
It's
John (29:05):
I, it's funny because, there's So much we're
discovering with these podcasts,and we're to share with our
listeners because a big part of,The importance of our health is
through education, andunderstanding and if a lot of
times people don't want to justread it, but when they hear
about it and you're able to askquestions and when you've never
(29:27):
experienced anything like this,it's a completely different way
of digesting
Erin (29:33):
that information.
thank you.
and we talked about I should sayLola talked about.
that you're on hospice or ifyou're on some kind of
medication, you can also doacupuncture at the same time to
help support what's currentlygoing on.
You don't have to do one or theother.
They can support
John (29:52):
each other.
Correct?
Yeah.
is there a little differentlevels of care that you provide,
for different ages?
Like when you're younger, youget this type of, or when you
get older, you get this
Lauren (30:12):
to have a deeper and more nuanced connection with
their self, so greater awarenessof their own body.
I would, the best, most amazingthing you could do, I think, is
the practice of a gentlemovement, gentle that
incorporates breath.
(30:33):
And body, Qi Gong or tai chi,this is slowing down, for you, I
would say slowing down, bepresent to the spaciousness that
you can find within your ownbody, because then you might be
able to catch something make
John (30:53):
Oh, for sure, I've studied more and more recently about it.
the importance of meditation,and breath work, right?
Being there and being present,and it's powerful, right?
We're finding more and moreincredibly successful people in
the world.
Are making that a daily practiceright that along with gratitude
(31:13):
because We are, we get so workedup.
We get so busy and then stresscreeps in and that's when we
start having a lot more
Lauren (31:23):
issues Stress wreaks havoc on the system It decreases
your immune system yeah, Youhave way less
Erin (31:30):
capacity for resilience I know we've been talking about
acupuncture, mostly for physicalelements of our body, but
really, how can it help usemotionally,
Lauren (31:41):
Or, I think that's, Especially at end of life care,
that's where I, I almost feellike I'm like a earth angel.
I come in and I can hold thespace for Those that are being
asked at the end of life, Yeah.
And, you asked the question, I'min my fifties.
(32:03):
What I think that people shoulddie a thousand before they get
to their own death.
And what I mean by that isletting go of the things that
are not in alignment with yourtruth.
working through the shadows.
If you're constantly running tofind some, you know, the next
adventure, what are you runningfrom is the question.
(32:27):
And so to be present with that?
and to let go of the burdensthat your body is
subconsciously, unconsciouslycarrying.
That's what I mean.
let go of the things that arenot in alignment with your life
just because culture says it'swhat you should be
Erin (32:46):
doing, that
Lauren (32:46):
keeping up with the
Erin (32:48):
But how do you do that?
Yeah.
Because we
Lauren (32:50):
can say that, but how do you okay, let go?
Yeah.
And I think it comes with aglobal consciousness ship that
needs to occur, that'sreflective of our food systems,
for example.
we're learning more but howactually make that last step
into returning into the earth assoil, as composted nutrients
(33:14):
that need to return.
Now they go into these other,um, you know, this garbage
system that locks up all thenutrients that need desperately
need to return to the cycle oflife.
and I I've right or wrong.
(34:30):
If we can yeah.
fear in my heart here, but Ialso can.
breathe into the joy that I feelalso in this moment.
That in itself is theEnantiodromic moment.
(34:50):
That's one of my favorite
John (34:52):
antiodromic.
I've never heard that word.
I can't either.
Erin (34:54):
I
Lauren (34:57):
Essentially, it's like The solstice, the peak moment
when light turns to dark or darkturns to light, it's the
transformation, the alchemicalmoment.
So if we could hold that moment,that's what I mean to die a
thousand deaths, to let go ofsomething while holding the
birth of the next the samemoment.
John (35:19):
Yeah.
Well, Lola, Because I know as weage, sometimes people retire and
they're on a fixed income.
And maybe they want to seesomebody such as yourself to
develop a game plan, a holisticgame plan to keep their health
And it's levels.
And so, people that practicesuch as yourself, do
Erin (35:40):
an acupuncture
John (35:41):
and all this.
Yeah.
yeah.
can you, yeah.
Can you give us a little bit ofthat information?
and it can be, it doesn't haveto be exact, but like, on the
average, A range, of what?
Lauren (35:53):
charge for what you do.
Sure.
Yeah.
most treatments are about anhour long.
you'll probably have an initialtreatment that's a little bit
longer, and in that initialtreatment you'll have a whole,
intake process that goes overyour entire lifetime.
we'll talk about the highlightsof, trauma physical trauma,
(36:14):
surgeries or anything like that,that, have, that you
experienced.
And then the overallconstitution, like what do you
generally, oh, I've had wholelife.
that's something I'll ask andthat's important.
We'll talk about
Erin (36:26):
poop.
You're speaking his language.
Yeah,
Lauren (36:35):
That is a longer treatment and it's, the average
is 135 to 155 in a cashpractice.
Yes, insurance covers it if yourinsurance is covering it.
You can, have a copay, a smallcopay.
the hour long treatments rangeanywhere in Idaho from 85 to 125
a treatment.
I've seen upwards to 140.
(36:57):
And it depends.
Some acupuncture, and there areas many types of acupuncture as
there are acupuncturists and sofor me currently I am treating
the entire hour I'm present withyou.
I'm moving and tending to theenergy flow in your system.
I'm using cups I'm using tuningforks and doing the whole
(37:17):
diagnostics.
All of that is, I'm present withyou for the full hour.
I
Erin (37:22):
charge 1.
11
John (37:25):
1.
11 that I'm always seeing, yeah.
I'm always
Lauren (37:30):
Um, number, and it's the difference, like that's the same
cost as deeper than justpsychotherapy.
(38:01):
and maybe you go to see a doctorand you're spending about that
much, right?
But they spend 15 minutes withyou of that hour, a long time
that they're charging.
So, I think, finding the rightacupuncturist, someone you
resonate
Erin (38:14):
with, someone you feel comfortable with.
how do I find an acupuncturistthat's right for me?
What are questions I
Lauren (38:20):
should ask?
What should I be looking forYeah.
I think With aging population,you want someone that's gonna be
gentle.
I studied some Japanese styleforms, a lot of the Japanese,
acupuncturists are blind.
And so there was a tradition.
and of course the
Erin (38:37):
and we can celebrate that about that
John (39:22):
Do you do a collaboration of care with physicians?
Like, for instance, are therecertain types of physicians that
are in practice that might feelwe need to change this approach
a little bit, and you need to...
go and see Lola as well as seeme and we can collaborate and
come up with a
Lauren (39:43):
I I haven't bridged many of those, gaps and I want to.
but I yes, I can see them all.
say, chiropractor, you can crackyour bones into place as long
as, the day is long.
But you, if your muscles are sotight that they're pulling you
out of
John (40:20):
Come and listen to me.
again.
I love that.
I think that in our world, weneed community.
We need collaboration.
You have a lot of differentpeople collaborating and coming
up ways in an app.
Yeah, like a tribe, you eachhave your tribe Cause we're all
(40:40):
different.
Lauren (40:55):
daily
Erin (41:00):
life.
and we, always talk about thisand it up more and more about
community as we age.
Our significant others pass, ourfriends die, our family gets
super busy, or they livesomewhere else where they don't
see us, we get depressed, we goon medications, we get anxiety
as we age, so we don't go outand do the things that we used
(41:22):
to love, and then we isolate,but yet we need that connection
somewhere.
We need to have that purpose.
We need to have
John (41:32):
I think it starts out as we're young and that's what we
are creating a movement becausewhat we want people to do is we
want to help people understandthat there's options.
there's so many differentamazing options out there.
don't just get fixated on whatyou think Or what you've been
told, be open minded.
try things, experience thingsbecause you may be shocked and
(41:56):
how much it will help you.
I've learned so much from yousome of our previous guests
about our feet and differentthings that this is so
empowering just for me.
For my life, for my care, Right?
Erin (42:10):
that we say people go, who's your audience?
Our audiences are aging adultsthat are going through it now,
and we want them to give themhope and go, Hey, there are
other alternatives for you.
and this is how you reach it.
But our second audience isreally as we're aging, as we're
all going through this together,our, we're parents, our
children, our grandchildren.
If we can can learn stuff now.
(42:34):
for that longevity and betterhealth.
Let's do it.
Let's be open.
Let's not just go, this is theway you do it and you have to do
it this way and you have to usethis person and this is your
only option.
Lauren (42:43):
So much of, what I've learned in hospice is how I,
die.
Do you share that?
Yeah.
there's pain and there's,sadness and there's just, it can
be a really gross.
Shitty, horrible process.
Right?
(43:04):
And that's all true.
But there can be grace and therecan be beauty.
surrender in the And andforgiveness, understanding that
the oneness of all things.
But if you've been siloed yourwhole life, and feeling like
you're alone, and you don't haveconnections, before you want to
(44:16):
have these uncomfortable,conversations with your family
and your loved ones.
How do I want to die?
To the connection to all oflife.
John (44:34):
Yeah.
so many times we do, we getwrapped up.
But it is a mindset, right?
It starts with a mindset ofacceptance and openness and
being present
Lauren (44:46):
that moment of awareness, and not from a place
of bypassing what you'reactually feeling.
Your body's feeling it.
Be like, oh, yeah, welcomeanxiety.
Like, welcome fear.
John (44:57):
okay, I can
Lauren (45:04):
to the anxiety and the fear that I am experiencing.
But not trying to bypass whatI'm actually experiencing.
honor your body
John (45:17):
and your
Erin (45:19):
When it comes to hospice and other special techniques
that are better or one over theother?
Lauren (45:26):
hey,
Erin (45:27):
I'm on this still feeling this way.
I need, acupuncture to helprelieve this, or can it help my
inflammation?
Can it help me sleep better?
What techniques or So justanything I can call for anything
(46:06):
and be like, Hey, this is what'sNot just the pain, not just.
Mental, physical, emotional,nausea.
that's a huge thing too.
A lot of
Lauren (46:14):
from Nausea, why acupuncture can treat all of
that it's a medicine grounded inthe reflection of nature and
nature has these weatherpatterns.
It's all about patterns andbeing able to balance excess and
(46:37):
deficiencies out in the system.
shift the energy around the bodyto create balance.
I can approach any situationthat way.
Erin (46:46):
mentioned mobility.
Can acupuncture help somebody intheir mobility to be better, so
they're not maybe shufflingtheir feet?
I'm new to this, so I'm Not sure
Lauren (46:56):
Yes.
Not asked the right question.
Yes.
On levels.
So on the physical level, we canrelease muscles that greater
mobility.
yeah.
So this goes back
Erin (47:09):
to how, Acupuncture and other can work like and physical
therapy.
Maybe your muscles are tightbecause of surgery you had or
something happened.
She can help those
John (47:24):
So the other disciplines you're talking about the other
disciplines, like for instance,home health, there's physical
therapy, occupational therapy,speech, there's all these
things.
And, it goes back to what I saidearlier about that collaboration
of care working with a team andsaying, okay, I understand what
you're providing and this is howI can support Port you and
(47:46):
together we can create thissynergy for the patient that
makes the experience so muchsynergy
Lauren (47:55):
great word.
Yeah, I don't know if this is atangent or if it's helpful, but,
it's the same theme we come backto over and over again, is that
the more connections you have,the more integrated you are.
the more synergy you haveamongst modalities.
the more support you have, themore community you have, the
more connected we are to thelife cycle, the process of,
(48:17):
growing our food and thencomposting it and life and death
is all one.
and it's, it generates thevitality that, is the fodder for
a beautiful
Erin (48:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We, earlier we talked aboutnutrition and lifestyle to
support the acupuncture.
Does that mean eating the rightway?
Does that mean hydrating theright way?
Or does it mean
Lauren (48:40):
yeah.
So as we age, we have less andless what is called Jing.
Jing, translates as essence, andit's stored in our kidneys.
So in the West we think of it asadrenals, like your hormonal
adrenal capacity is lessened thespan of your lifetime.
this affects your bones, itaffects your hearing, it affects
(49:00):
your seeing, it affects yourcognition.
in general, it's deficiency.
And so, to be mindful, as goes,of the things that are nutrient
dense, also taking out thethings that are depleting,
coffee.
John (49:16):
Oh.
The world runs off of coffee.
Yeah, you got here.
That's probably why my stomachall these crazy
Lauren (49:36):
food, fried food, like a quick fry.
yin, deep, slow, densenutrients, we're talking about
bone broth.
and soups, And stews, and thetime it takes to actually put
the energy and the love intoyour food.
love
John (50:32):
I always think that, in our world we've overcomplicated
things by adding sugars andsalts and stuff, but by eating
whole foods, things like a freshpeach off the tree, right?
Or, a pear or some of these...
Lauren (50:52):
as a practice, between each season, or transition, we
eat more simple foods, like moregruels, more, congee, which is
just like a rice gruel.
And it helps reset your system.
But as we age, like maybeincorporating more of those.
simple, easy to digest foods,But bone broth is a key, a
(51:16):
staple, your dark leafy greenskey take it slow,
John (51:31):
I'm so excited for our listeners to hear this because,
at first, I had a little bit ofjudgment, to be really honest.
I'm like, I haven't gone to seean acupuncture, I'm terrified of
needles.
I bet you 90 percent of ourlisteners are afraid of needles
to and afraid of all this.
But, it's about your approach tomedicine.
It's about your approach to lifethat I've learned so much.
And it's really opened up andit's made me go, Oh my gosh,
(51:54):
step back from judgment.
and John, you're somebody thatthis the most.
I'm excited to try this out andexperience it and learn how I
can utilize it to support abetter life for myself, better
health,
Erin (52:11):
listeners are too, if somebody's very hesitant in
trying
Lauren (52:14):
this?
what is the I want to empower,your listeners.
(52:48):
To know that they are the mostwise and intelligent and, and
sovereign, in their own life andprocess.
And so, to come with that senseof empowerment that we haven't
learned.
And so maybe you're trying thaton and you're stepping into that
knowledge, that you are the mostwise and intelligent being in
(53:10):
your own life.
and to really honor your body,not just your brain As the
leader of that intelligence,because that will serve you the
best in the end, and through the
John (53:21):
journey.
Erin (53:25):
question to ask, we'd love to travel and I'm sure listeners
like, we know you love totravel.
We'd love to travel.
what is on your adventure listor where have you been someplace
that you're like?
If you can go there.
You'll be I want to go there andbe inspired.
already And yeah, my eyes arewatering.
(54:53):
I'm trying not to cry becausethis is we were just there for
six weeks and I grew up aroundthe world.
And this is John's first realexperience and immersing in a
culture.
And exactly.
See, I didn't plan on this.
Exactly it is how I feel.
You walked away with it.
(55:13):
It's such a beautiful
John (55:16):
it transforms your life.
I love adventure.
I love Discovery.
I love learning.
about different cultures.
I did not realize The effect,Indonesia would have on me.
the community was so incredible,right?
The way they take care of eachother, the way these little
villages come together, thesecommunities come together and
(55:36):
support each other.
their pace of life is different.
It's slower.
It's more enriching.
It's, The people are socompassionate and caring and
they have so little but theywant to give so much.
And, at first there was a partof me that said, we're tourists,
we have the money, and so theywant to be like that because
they want to get money.
(55:57):
But it's not that way.
I was wrong, and there was anamazing gentleman that was one
of our drivers and, Cadet.
And he.
He invited us to his home, andeven though they make 10 a day
or whatever, he and his wife andtwin boys cooked us this magical
feast, this amazing big hugemeal.
(56:18):
And, and his father and mother,who also lived on the same
property, had shared with usabout these amazing spiritual
fountains.
I'm drawing a blank of the nameof them, but, the story behind
them, and, it's How, yeah, Whatyou go there for and all of this
and it was so beautiful.
It was hard to leave.
we went to six different islandsor five different islands.
(56:40):
And, with each experience, itwas something that Changed me as
a person, made me more open.
and yeah, I absolutely loved it.
So you're right.
So I, for people that haven'tbeen.
There or are worried becausemaybe they're worried because
they speak English and theydon't speak another language.
It's not like that.
there.
you feel so accepted and you canAnd, um, the.
(57:05):
Yeah.
And the food, going, not that wewant to get into a huge
discussion about Bali, but whatI found is they don't have all
the processed foods that we havehere.
And so, I literally ate tons andtons of food and I felt amazing.
I felt great.
I feel energized.
I, didn't feel all these adverseeffects.
(57:27):
so yeah, Yeah.
I'm right on board with youabout Bali.
It's a, yeah, holds a special
Lauren (57:35):
also just, say you can't make it to Bali.
What I learned from Bali and,from most of all of history is
that we're, from being animist,where we feel and experience and
know, not all things around usare alive.
(58:03):
And when we orient to thataliveness, how can we manage too
much stuff?
Like you'll never have enough ofwhat you don't need.
It's this hungry ghost that goesaway when you can be present
with the things in your lifethat are material.
Like this chair, is has its ownpersonality and it's like
(58:23):
supporting me.
Thank you
Erin (58:40):
thank you, Lola, for being our guest on Connecting Power.
It was truly an honor andpleasure to have you today.
and I knew we'd walk away withall kinds of good stuff and
feelings and understanding andbeing open to and how it can
heal us
John (59:00):
physically.
Erin (59:01):
It's so
John (59:01):
much more that you do
Erin (59:02):
besides Yes.
So thank you.
Yeah.
and there's so many benefits itbrings, right?
It brings benefits to if you'rein hospice, then you're in pain,
but also as we're aging, toreally pay attention to our body
and listen for why we need toheal it.
Yeah.
So thank great.
John (59:26):
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Erin (00:32):
Our guest today has an amazing energy all around her
when you meet her.
She grew up in the PacificNorthwest where the salty air
meets the lush forest and thesun always even if it's behind
the clouds.
The beauty of the forestnurtures her curiosity of the
natural world, and she'sfollowed this path to receive an
undergraduate degree in herbalscience and a graduate degree in
(00:56):
acupuncture, this along with herlove of astrology and curiosity
of all the cultures intertwinedthrough a beautiful alchemy
dance the unique medicine hergift to you, helping people
transform physical, uh,energetic, emotional, and soul
(01:16):
patterns as they walk the spiralof life she strives for every
day.
she's a multidimensionaltransformational guide and
practitioner of acupuncture,herbal medicine, evolutionary
astrology, holistic health.
Radiant beauty.
She's ready to share with us howshe has transformed many lives
(01:38):
through the use of acupuncture,
Lauren (01:43):
Welcome, Lola.
Thank you.
I'm so excited to be here.
It's such an honor and apleasure.
Erin (01:50):
I know when we were talking, we met a couple weeks
ago at a women's event and wewere standing outside in line
and I was like, oh my gosh, wehave to have her on like she.
Like I said, she just radiatesthis energy and you get around
her and you can't help but go,all right, I'm in a good spot.
I'm in a safe spot.
This is all here for me.
John (02:12):
I'm not just saying this, but I can feel it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool.
So if you can share a little bitabout your story, what you got
in this industry what led you tospecialize in acupuncture,
Lauren (02:27):
care and pain relief.
Sure, yeah.
I feel like my true north hasalways been, yeah.
a resonance with the naturalworld.
I loved to garden with my momgrowing up, and some of the most
potent memories I have were,staring at the stars at night
when we were camping as kids,and Those things have always
(02:50):
been like the little whispers inthe background of our norm life,
you know, are consistent, themachine of culture, I guess is
what I'll call it.
but they've been the whispersthat have brought me home to
myself.
and so this circuitous path, to,the very, seemingly random,
(03:13):
being a practitioner ofacupuncture and Chinese
medicine, It's, it was alwaysnature that was guiding me.
and Chinese medicine is abeautiful reflection of nature
and the elements.
So it's about the weatherpatterns.
and so we would tend to theorgan systems and the weather
patterns within that reflect theweather patterns of nature
(03:36):
without, and as a symbolicmedicine, that's why, a 5, 000
year old medicine is stillrelevant today because, back in
the day we might treatsomething, Like a hot phlegm,
like a baked phlegm.
This is you can just imaginewhat that might look like in
your head.
Yeah, And then maybe somebodyhas cancer that it is like a
damp phlegm or a hot phlegm, andwe're going to treat it the same
(03:58):
way, as we would, across theboard.
Or maybe two people have thesame type of cancer, but one
presents more hot and onepresents more cold.
we're going to treat dampnessand phlegm, but one we're going
to be warming and one we'regoing to be cooling or siphoning
off the excess of the heat.
So it's really like you'reholding these things a little
more loosely, a little moresymbolically.
(04:21):
I like to think of character, aChinese medicine and those
radicals are almost like abouquet of meaning.
It's symbolic, And because it'ssymbolic, it evolve and change
and still be relevant with whatwe're experiencing, in modern
times.
a tangent, but...
Erin (04:40):
No, I love look at it.
John (04:43):
and So for those...
of our listeners that don'tunderstand acupuncture Chinese
medicine, correct?
Lauren (04:51):
yeah, yeah.
Acupuncture is acu means cave,and so we're actually like
engaging these.
Places along the body, if thebody is the body of the earth,
the entire terrain of the bodyhas rivers of tree, chi, these
meridians, these acupuncturelines that flow, and along the
(05:12):
flow there's a pool, and then itgets wider, and then there's the
sheik cleft points along thebody are these places where the
qi or the energy, or the blood.
dive deep into the body, andthen
Erin (05:59):
life into your tomorrow?
for some healing.
Yeah, all kinds of that.
Lauren (06:28):
the main inflammatory response.
There's a detox, and exchange ofnutrients.
And what we find in the mostsimplest terms, there's this
saying, butongzitong, If not...
Harmony and flow and a gentlemovement, then pain and
(06:49):
stagnation and cell death.
Really, simple.
It's like, what we're doing, I'ma little, I'm a body mechanic
and I am helping to increaseflow in the body where there
isn't flow.
there isn't flow, there'susually pain and cell death.
John (07:04):
pain and cell death.
People that, as we age, we havecertain symptoms or something
that happens to us and we go tothe doctor.
They prescribe us a medication,and sometimes there's some
pretty severe side effects.
(07:25):
from those medications.
And I for one don't love a lot
Erin (07:31):
we try to
John (07:32):
yeah.
But it's a whole, it's a wholelifestyle, even our food food
has so much, horrible things init sometimes.
and we have to be really carefulwith all Of that.
So it's almost like, alifestyle, I definitely think
that acupuncture has
Erin (07:47):
its, place.
And, I have so many questionsbecause I'm so curious and I
don't know which direction to gointo.
Go ahead.
So just out of my own curiosity,I have an ankle pain.
I was, we were in Bali and I gotin a motorbike accident.
would you suggest doingacupuncture
Lauren (08:05):
on it Absolutely.
for healing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, If there's like a physicalrupture that's intended,
something's wrong there.
I would definitely support.
The acupuncture is going tosupport the blood, coming in
exchange of nutrients, any deadcells coming out.
but yeah, like a lifestylething, I would also say maybe
(08:26):
contrast hydrotherapy, whereyou're doing hot and cold water
to help flush, again, flush.
from a Chinese medicineperspective, going back to what
you were saying about how wechoose maybe pharmaceuticals.
we are in a culture ofconvenience, and that actually
comes at a great cost that wedon't remember that convenience
(08:48):
is actually stealing from ourlives the actual experience.
And because Chinese medicine isa reflection of nature, often
the slower way, the morePersistent present way is going
to be healing over the long run.
If I choose to take a drug, I'mnot actually present for my
body.
I'm not being there for my body.
(09:10):
I would talk to your foot.
I, would, of the practices Ihave with my son, my five year
old son, is all we will tell ourbody that we love each other.
I love you feet.
And part of it is presencing inthe body to get him to settle
into his nervous system so hecan In our culture, western
(09:59):
culture, and we have to reorienthow we even experience, natural
medicine, holisticpractitioners, acupuncturists,
right?
We are not sick care, westernallopathic medicine is.
It gets to a certain point andit has to be heroic in its
medicine, and I'm grateful forthat.
If I get in an accident, I wantthat.
But, as an acupuncturist, It isabout educating people about
(10:24):
preventative medicine.
It's about little shifts in thelifestyle change.
One of my favorite things aboutacupuncture is that it actually
increases your awareness of yourbody.
We have all these new anddifferent sensations that we're
experiencing with the pins thatmap new neuronal pathways and
therefore as we move through ourlives we become more aware of
(10:46):
how we hold ourselves.
So if I'm, if I have tension inmy shoulders constantly and I'm
not even aware of it, I don'thave pain.
and I, And then I might reachfor the aspirin, when really all
I need to do is have moreawareness to take a breath And
to settle in my system and feelmore grounded, feel more
connected.
Maybe I wanna take my socks offand put my feet in the dirt.
(11:09):
And it's really creating thespaciousness in our lives to
attune to the
Erin (11:15):
I know that when I go to the dentist, they'll be like,
your tense and your muscles,your teeth are, I don't know how
to explain it.
But it's like you say, I findthat myself doing them and doing
exactly what you say.
I'm like, okay, I got torelease, I got to relax, I got
to let that out.
know before we get talking alittle bit more.
I don't really know whatacupuncture is or how it's done
(11:36):
or what it's incorporated.
So maybe explain a little bitwhat that is.
I know we know it's needles, butreally what is it?
I'm coming to you or somebodyand I'm like, Oh, I don't know.
Lauren (11:47):
I'm nervous.
.Yeah, sure.
What I doing?
Yeah, I wanna share that I wasin the a a naturopathic.
program for two years.
So I did the first two years ofmedical school, like the hardest
two and I remember being in alab diagnosis class where, you
know, all of the labs that youwould take, your cholesterol,
all of those things, and I justremember feeling wow, I would
(12:12):
rather have real life presentskills then have to rely on,
sending everything out to a lab.
And then being, reinterpreting,it was too
Erin (12:26):
or, maybe that's not the word.
Like the touch, the
Lauren (12:49):
there can there,
John (13:52):
Yeah, that's awesome.
so, somebody comes to you, theygive you a little bit of
information on what they'recoming to you for.
and then you create a plan ofcare based upon a lot of
different Diagnosis that youlook at the like their tongue or
their mouth or feel their bellyand just different things and
then you create a treatment planthat includes acupuncture,
(14:16):
herbs, different things to healthem
Erin (14:21):
But what I love about this and people goes, Oh my gosh,
it's so homeopathic and it's socrazy.
But before we had modernmedicine, what did we do?
What did our ancestors do?
they used the plants, they usedthe dirt, they used the trees,
the shrubs, the water.
They used
John (14:36):
everything to heal people.
Cause that was the only optionback then, and, And suddenly
they came out with these,pharmaceuticals and stuff like
that that they felt like, now ifyou take this pill, it gives you
all these, quick healingeffects.
That, that's a problem, man.
And you're so right, Lola.
(14:56):
I mean it's like we live in avery fast paced, very reactive
world.
And, I don't think our world, orI don't think people are taking
enough time to I understand Whothey are as individuals and what
they truly need to stay healthyand live
Erin (15:14):
Well, because we're being told, right?
It's like working out.
We're being told go hard and dothis.
But if you slow down and youfeel the muscles and you breathe
while you're doing it, you'regoing to understand your
muscles.
Just like if you slow down andfeel your pain, you're going to
know right where it's at to beable to treat it and go, Oh,
John (15:31):
it's not my knee.
It's my foot, it's alsounderstanding What those options
are.
Like for instance, I told youearlier when you arrived, at the
house, I said I'm terrified ofneedles, right?
I'm terrified of pins oranything poking into my skin,
throw me off a bridge I'll basejump or I'll kite surf or I'll
take extreme risks But you putme down on a table and start
poking me with all these thingsthen I panic, right?
(15:53):
It's and so how do you It's apractitioner, how do you calm
that fear?
How do you help peopleunderstand?
That this is something thatcould and they don't have to
fear.
Yeah.
Lauren (16:22):
And the other, I think the presence that I bring is
just as important as any needlethat I'm, inserting.
and I try and help people relax.
deeply and especially if they'renervous, I'm going to use tuning
forks and other things that getthem into that parasympathetic,
rest and digest nervous systemstate, so that they can be
(16:46):
settled and open before.
I do any acupuncture And evenafter that there might be a
little we're going to experiencea little endorphin rush.
Again, I'm trained in a littlebit of hypnosis, and so I'll
talk people through unfurlingtheir nervous system so they can
actually receive, the treatmenton
Erin (17:05):
the treatment on a deep level.
And the tuning fork, just sopeople know, it's like a two
prong, right?
And you just tap
Lauren (17:10):
you just tap it, and it's a tone that resonates on
it?
Yeah, it's a resonant frequencythat can, move transdermally, it
moves through the system, of thebody and the bones to help all
of the cells resonate together.
So again, we're creating,resonance throughout the system
that creates flow.
It opens the cells to havegreater expansion, better
(17:33):
communication, cellularexchange, detox,
Erin (17:39):
like our sound bath we went to.
Yes.
It was the first time I was everable to hold still for a
John (17:45):
I was ever able to hold still for a full hour.
I did not move.
Neither one of us did.
I'm Very distracted.
I'm always very busy person.
and yeah, fidgety and moving andstuff, but I was like completely
in a trance, so.
It was very interesting, butyeah, I, I definitely want to
try a treatment,
Lauren (18:02):
you get more done when you slow down.
You're more present.
yeah,
John (18:07):
focused.
Yeah,
Lauren (18:08):
Yeah, more
Erin (18:09):
focused.
for sure.
Yeah.
So as we age using acupuncture,it doesn't necessarily mean we
need to see you becausesomething's wrong.
We can come and go, maybe I'mfeeling a little off today.
Or maybe even, maybe a littlearthritis is sudden, or what are
things that.
They would truly come to you andthat you can see a difference
(18:29):
and
Lauren (18:30):
difference yeah so some of Those things, once they've
gotten far enough along down theroad, they're difficult to
manage, I'd love to speak to,your listeners directly, like,
now is the time to...
start implementing the lifestylethings that slow down, Be more
(18:53):
present with your body.
Listen to your body.
Reorient, to, putting yourselfin the
Erin (19:31):
your body.
When you say listen to yourpain, What exactly
Lauren (19:38):
So when you hear your body, and it takes the
(20:36):
spaciousness that it does tounravel the terrain to
understand what our pain is
Erin (20:44):
sometimes, It's because we're moving so fast.
We never slowed down to beginwith, right?
I worked at an independentliving facility.
I was caregiving And I fell downthe flight of stairs, went,
they're like, your bones arefine, nothing's, you're fine.
I hurt for a good week.
And then about a year later itcame back and it's caused all
(21:05):
this chaos in my life.
Cause I'm like Oh, I can keepwalking.
I'll keep doing it.
They say that I'm fine.
I don't need to worry about it.
I just need to compartmentalizeit and brush it out.
But now it's coming back.
And sometimes I'm like, it'stelling slow down in life.
John (21:21):
and I'm telling her to speed up.
Come on, We got to go hike thismountain.
We got to do this.
We got to do that.
Go in and get surgery.
You got to get that thinghealed.
Because, We can't slow down.
We have
Erin (21:31):
to experience.
But what she's saying, maybe I'msupposed to slow down and I have
to pay attention to why is mybody telling me to slow down?
Is there something else brewing?
Or maybe it's being morecreative for something I'm
supposed to create for work orfor my kids, my family, for us.
John (21:47):
like why is my body getting slowed down right now?
Yeah.
one of the things that I'd liketo ask too is when it comes to
holistic health or things likechiropractic treatment.
what are some of the, oracupuncture, what are some of
the misconceptions that people,like they shut down right away,
right?
They, I've always been verycurious about so many different
(22:08):
things, and very open to tryingdifferent things.
If I'm not fearful, of course,like I am of needles.
But, what are some of themisconceptions that you feel
stop somebody from just givingit a chance?
Erin (22:28):
blue, Socially
Lauren (23:24):
and in terms as humans, it's the root.
It, modern allopathic medicineis
John (23:34):
I love what you said in the beginning, too, because It's
not like you're completelyagainst, medicine.
the way a lot of people view it,if you're in a car wreck or
something like that, and youneed some emergency care, you're
all for it, However, weshouldn't just reach out
immediately, like a knee jerkreaction, and just choose what a
(23:56):
modern society has told us tochoose.
Lauren (24:18):
principle of going direct and maybe this.
We need quick action, right?
Whereas the yin is let's takethe spaciousness to really
unfurl And understand thissymptom or this pain, this
experience we're having.
Erin (24:33):
have a question.
Is this safe older, puttingneedles or
John (24:44):
doing stuff.
Yeah.
The skin is thinner.
Erin (24:46):
Yeah.
I'm on different medications.
My blood is maybe thinner or myblood may be thicker or I have a
heart
John (24:54):
And yeah.
Can I do this with themedications that have been
prescribed to me by my primaryphysician or my specialist?
Lauren (25:08):
so I am supporting people in their very end of life
Where all of those things arepresent, friable skin, for sure,
heart conditions, COPD, all ofthose.
I see all of them.
and yes, it's safe.
I can use very thin needles, sothe thin skin is not an issue.
(25:29):
I
Erin (25:40):
And, if you
Lauren (25:55):
in that interaction because of the wisdom of her,
whole experience of life.
It was beautiful.
And I helped her with, with, hippain and digestive, pain.
She always slept better andlonger after our treatments.
John (26:12):
That's awesome.
Now, when it comes to the agingpopulation and they want to try
this out, do they ever come toyou and then suddenly you have
some pushback by the familybecause they're like, Mom, what
are you doing?
Going to see somebody for,acupuncture
Lauren (26:30):
It's usually the opposite.
The family is advocating for theacupuncture because they've had
experience with it and theythink it.
could help their
John (26:38):
Their mom or their dad.
Yeah,
Lauren (26:41):
Yeah.
That's great.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's, once, once you'veexperienced acupuncture, you may
not be able to understand ordescribe it, but you can be a
fan of it, really.
And that goes a long way,though, you
Erin (26:56):
want everyone in their life to try it.
and that kind of goes to wherein my mind I'm thinking, I'm now
seeing.
I'm an acupuncturist for my hipDo you see the progression as
you come and treat them?
And like, how long is thatprogression?
Is it an immediate, Oh my gosh,I feel so much better.
(27:17):
Or sometimes like we weresaying, it's a slow progression.
You may feel
Lauren (28:44):
up.
where they're in balance, andthey get to to that state of
balance.
Erin (28:49):
It's kinda gonna a chiropractor, right?
When your body just is notaligned and you go and they fix
you.
Yeah.
It's very similar, right?
Yeah.
You're just getting our bodyback in alignment.
John (28:59):
Mm wow.
Yeah.
I'm
Erin (29:02):
excited.
Sign me up.
I know.
It's
John (29:05):
I, it's funny because, there's So much we're
discovering with these podcasts,and we're to share with our
listeners because a big part of,The importance of our health is
through education, andunderstanding and if a lot of
times people don't want to justread it, but when they hear
about it and you're able to askquestions and when you've never
(29:27):
experienced anything like this,it's a completely different way
of digesting
Erin (29:33):
that information.
thank you.
and we talked about I should sayLola talked about.
that you're on hospice or ifyou're on some kind of
medication, you can also doacupuncture at the same time to
help support what's currentlygoing on.
You don't have to do one or theother.
They can support
John (29:52):
each other.
Correct?
Yeah.
is there a little differentlevels of care that you provide,
for different ages?
Like when you're younger, youget this type of, or when you
get older, you get this
Lauren (30:12):
to have a deeper and more nuanced connection with
their self, so greater awarenessof their own body.
I would, the best, most amazingthing you could do, I think, is
the practice of a gentlemovement, gentle that
incorporates breath.
(30:33):
And body, Qi Gong or tai chi,this is slowing down, for you, I
would say slowing down, bepresent to the spaciousness that
you can find within your ownbody, because then you might be
able to catch something make
John (30:53):
Oh, for sure, I've studied more and more recently about it.
the importance of meditation,and breath work, right?
Being there and being present,and it's powerful, right?
We're finding more and moreincredibly successful people in
the world.
Are making that a daily practiceright that along with gratitude
(31:13):
because We are, we get so workedup.
We get so busy and then stresscreeps in and that's when we
start having a lot more
Lauren (31:23):
issues Stress wreaks havoc on the system It decreases
your immune system yeah, Youhave way less
Erin (31:30):
capacity for resilience I know we've been talking about
acupuncture, mostly for physicalelements of our body, but
really, how can it help usemotionally,
Lauren (31:41):
Or, I think that's, Especially at end of life care,
that's where I, I almost feellike I'm like a earth angel.
I come in and I can hold thespace for Those that are being
asked at the end of life, Yeah.
And, you asked the question, I'min my fifties.
(32:03):
What I think that people shoulddie a thousand before they get
to their own death.
And what I mean by that isletting go of the things that
are not in alignment with yourtruth.
working through the shadows.
If you're constantly running tofind some, you know, the next
adventure, what are you runningfrom is the question.
(32:27):
And so to be present with that?
and to let go of the burdensthat your body is
subconsciously, unconsciouslycarrying.
That's what I mean.
let go of the things that arenot in alignment with your life
just because culture says it'swhat you should be
Erin (32:46):
doing, that
Lauren (32:46):
keeping up with the
Erin (32:48):
But how do you do that?
Yeah.
Because we
Lauren (32:50):
can say that, but how do you okay, let go?
Yeah.
And I think it comes with aglobal consciousness ship that
needs to occur, that'sreflective of our food systems,
for example.
we're learning more but howactually make that last step
into returning into the earth assoil, as composted nutrients
(33:14):
that need to return.
Now they go into these other,um, you know, this garbage
system that locks up all thenutrients that need desperately
need to return to the cycle oflife.
and I I've right or wrong.
(34:30):
If we can yeah.
fear in my heart here, but Ialso can.
breathe into the joy that I feelalso in this moment.
That in itself is theEnantiodromic moment.
(34:50):
That's one of my favorite
John (34:52):
antiodromic.
I've never heard that word.
I can't either.
Erin (34:54):
I
Lauren (34:57):
Essentially, it's like The solstice, the peak moment
when light turns to dark or darkturns to light, it's the
transformation, the alchemicalmoment.
So if we could hold that moment,that's what I mean to die a
thousand deaths, to let go ofsomething while holding the
birth of the next the samemoment.
John (35:19):
Yeah.
Well, Lola, Because I know as weage, sometimes people retire and
they're on a fixed income.
And maybe they want to seesomebody such as yourself to
develop a game plan, a holisticgame plan to keep their health
And it's levels.
And so, people that practicesuch as yourself, do
Erin (35:40):
an acupuncture
John (35:41):
and all this.
Yeah.
yeah.
can you, yeah.
Can you give us a little bit ofthat information?
and it can be, it doesn't haveto be exact, but like, on the
average, A range, of what?
Lauren (35:53):
charge for what you do.
Sure.
Yeah.
most treatments are about anhour long.
you'll probably have an initialtreatment that's a little bit
longer, and in that initialtreatment you'll have a whole,
intake process that goes overyour entire lifetime.
we'll talk about the highlightsof, trauma physical trauma,
(36:14):
surgeries or anything like that,that, have, that you
experienced.
And then the overallconstitution, like what do you
generally, oh, I've had wholelife.
that's something I'll ask andthat's important.
We'll talk about
Erin (36:26):
poop.
You're speaking his language.
Yeah,
Lauren (36:35):
That is a longer treatment and it's, the average
is 135 to 155 in a cashpractice.
Yes, insurance covers it if yourinsurance is covering it.
You can, have a copay, a smallcopay.
the hour long treatments rangeanywhere in Idaho from 85 to 125
a treatment.
I've seen upwards to 140.
(36:57):
And it depends.
Some acupuncture, and there areas many types of acupuncture as
there are acupuncturists and sofor me currently I am treating
the entire hour I'm present withyou.
I'm moving and tending to theenergy flow in your system.
I'm using cups I'm using tuningforks and doing the whole
(37:17):
diagnostics.
All of that is, I'm present withyou for the full hour.
I
Erin (37:22):
charge 1.
11
John (37:25):
1.
11 that I'm always seeing, yeah.
I'm always
Lauren (37:30):
Um, number, and it's the difference, like that's the same
cost as deeper than justpsychotherapy.
(38:01):
and maybe you go to see a doctorand you're spending about that
much, right?
But they spend 15 minutes withyou of that hour, a long time
that they're charging.
So, I think, finding the rightacupuncturist, someone you
resonate
Erin (38:14):
with, someone you feel comfortable with.
how do I find an acupuncturistthat's right for me?
What are questions I
Lauren (38:20):
should ask?
What should I be looking forYeah.
I think With aging population,you want someone that's gonna be
gentle.
I studied some Japanese styleforms, a lot of the Japanese,
acupuncturists are blind.
And so there was a tradition.
and of course the
Erin (38:37):
and we can celebrate that about that
John (39:22):
Do you do a collaboration of care with physicians?
Like, for instance, are therecertain types of physicians that
are in practice that might feelwe need to change this approach
a little bit, and you need to...
go and see Lola as well as seeme and we can collaborate and
come up with a
Lauren (39:43):
I I haven't bridged many of those, gaps and I want to.
but I yes, I can see them all.
say, chiropractor, you can crackyour bones into place as long
as, the day is long.
But you, if your muscles are sotight that they're pulling you
out of
John (40:20):
Come and listen to me.
again.
I love that.
I think that in our world, weneed community.
We need collaboration.
You have a lot of differentpeople collaborating and coming
up ways in an app.
Yeah, like a tribe, you eachhave your tribe Cause we're all
(40:40):
different.
Lauren (40:55):
daily
Erin (41:00):
life.
and we, always talk about thisand it up more and more about
community as we age.
Our significant others pass, ourfriends die, our family gets
super busy, or they livesomewhere else where they don't
see us, we get depressed, we goon medications, we get anxiety
as we age, so we don't go outand do the things that we used
(41:22):
to love, and then we isolate,but yet we need that connection
somewhere.
We need to have that purpose.
We need to have
John (41:32):
I think it starts out as we're young and that's what we
are creating a movement becausewhat we want people to do is we
want to help people understandthat there's options.
there's so many differentamazing options out there.
don't just get fixated on whatyou think Or what you've been
told, be open minded.
try things, experience thingsbecause you may be shocked and
(41:56):
how much it will help you.
I've learned so much from yousome of our previous guests
about our feet and differentthings that this is so
empowering just for me.
For my life, for my care, Right?
Erin (42:10):
that we say people go, who's your audience?
Our audiences are aging adultsthat are going through it now,
and we want them to give themhope and go, Hey, there are
other alternatives for you.
and this is how you reach it.
But our second audience isreally as we're aging, as we're
all going through this together,our, we're parents, our
children, our grandchildren.
If we can can learn stuff now.
(42:34):
for that longevity and betterhealth.
Let's do it.
Let's be open.
Let's not just go, this is theway you do it and you have to do
it this way and you have to usethis person and this is your
only option.
Lauren (42:43):
So much of, what I've learned in hospice is how I,
die.
Do you share that?
Yeah.
there's pain and there's,sadness and there's just, it can
be a really gross.
Shitty, horrible process.
Right?
(43:04):
And that's all true.
But there can be grace and therecan be beauty.
surrender in the And andforgiveness, understanding that
the oneness of all things.
But if you've been siloed yourwhole life, and feeling like
you're alone, and you don't haveconnections, before you want to
(44:16):
have these uncomfortable,conversations with your family
and your loved ones.
How do I want to die?
To the connection to all oflife.
John (44:34):
Yeah.
so many times we do, we getwrapped up.
But it is a mindset, right?
It starts with a mindset ofacceptance and openness and
being present
Lauren (44:46):
that moment of awareness, and not from a place
of bypassing what you'reactually feeling.
Your body's feeling it.
Be like, oh, yeah, welcomeanxiety.
Like, welcome fear.
John (44:57):
okay, I can
Lauren (45:04):
to the anxiety and the fear that I am experiencing.
But not trying to bypass whatI'm actually experiencing.
honor your body
John (45:17):
and your
Erin (45:19):
When it comes to hospice and other special techniques
that are better or one over theother?
Lauren (45:26):
hey,
Erin (45:27):
I'm on this still feeling this way.
I need, acupuncture to helprelieve this, or can it help my
inflammation?
Can it help me sleep better?
What techniques or So justanything I can call for anything
(46:06):
and be like, Hey, this is what'sNot just the pain, not just.
Mental, physical, emotional,nausea.
that's a huge thing too.
A lot of
Lauren (46:14):
from Nausea, why acupuncture can treat all of
that it's a medicine grounded inthe reflection of nature and
nature has these weatherpatterns.
It's all about patterns andbeing able to balance excess and
(46:37):
deficiencies out in the system.
shift the energy around the bodyto create balance.
I can approach any situationthat way.
Erin (46:46):
mentioned mobility.
Can acupuncture help somebody intheir mobility to be better, so
they're not maybe shufflingtheir feet?
I'm new to this, so I'm Not sure
Lauren (46:56):
Yes.
Not asked the right question.
Yes.
On levels.
So on the physical level, we canrelease muscles that greater
mobility.
yeah.
So this goes back
Erin (47:09):
to how, Acupuncture and other can work like and physical
therapy.
Maybe your muscles are tightbecause of surgery you had or
something happened.
She can help those
John (47:24):
So the other disciplines you're talking about the other
disciplines, like for instance,home health, there's physical
therapy, occupational therapy,speech, there's all these
things.
And, it goes back to what I saidearlier about that collaboration
of care working with a team andsaying, okay, I understand what
you're providing and this is howI can support Port you and
(47:46):
together we can create thissynergy for the patient that
makes the experience so muchsynergy
Lauren (47:55):
great word.
Yeah, I don't know if this is atangent or if it's helpful, but,
it's the same theme we come backto over and over again, is that
the more connections you have,the more integrated you are.
the more synergy you haveamongst modalities.
the more support you have, themore community you have, the
more connected we are to thelife cycle, the process of,
(48:17):
growing our food and thencomposting it and life and death
is all one.
and it's, it generates thevitality that, is the fodder for
a beautiful
Erin (48:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We, earlier we talked aboutnutrition and lifestyle to
support the acupuncture.
Does that mean eating the rightway?
Does that mean hydrating theright way?
Or does it mean
Lauren (48:40):
yeah.
So as we age, we have less andless what is called Jing.
Jing, translates as essence, andit's stored in our kidneys.
So in the West we think of it asadrenals, like your hormonal
adrenal capacity is lessened thespan of your lifetime.
this affects your bones, itaffects your hearing, it affects
(49:00):
your seeing, it affects yourcognition.
in general, it's deficiency.
And so, to be mindful, as goes,of the things that are nutrient
dense, also taking out thethings that are depleting,
coffee.
John (49:16):
Oh.
The world runs off of coffee.
Yeah, you got here.
That's probably why my stomachall these crazy
Lauren (49:36):
food, fried food, like a quick fry.
yin, deep, slow, densenutrients, we're talking about
bone broth.
and soups, And stews, and thetime it takes to actually put
the energy and the love intoyour food.
love
John (50:32):
I always think that, in our world we've overcomplicated
things by adding sugars andsalts and stuff, but by eating
whole foods, things like a freshpeach off the tree, right?
Or, a pear or some of these...
Lauren (50:52):
as a practice, between each season, or transition, we
eat more simple foods, like moregruels, more, congee, which is
just like a rice gruel.
And it helps reset your system.
But as we age, like maybeincorporating more of those.
simple, easy to digest foods,But bone broth is a key, a
(51:16):
staple, your dark leafy greenskey take it slow,
John (51:31):
I'm so excited for our listeners to hear this because,
at first, I had a little bit ofjudgment, to be really honest.
I'm like, I haven't gone to seean acupuncture, I'm terrified of
needles.
I bet you 90 percent of ourlisteners are afraid of needles
to and afraid of all this.
But, it's about your approach tomedicine.
It's about your approach to lifethat I've learned so much.
And it's really opened up andit's made me go, Oh my gosh,
(51:54):
step back from judgment.
and John, you're somebody thatthis the most.
I'm excited to try this out andexperience it and learn how I
can utilize it to support abetter life for myself, better
health,
Erin (52:11):
listeners are too, if somebody's very hesitant in
trying
Lauren (52:14):
this?
what is the I want to empower,your listeners.
(52:48):
To know that they are the mostwise and intelligent and, and
sovereign, in their own life andprocess.
And so, to come with that senseof empowerment that we haven't
learned.
And so maybe you're trying thaton and you're stepping into that
knowledge, that you are the mostwise and intelligent being in
(53:10):
your own life.
and to really honor your body,not just your brain As the
leader of that intelligence,because that will serve you the
best in the end, and through the
John (53:21):
journey.
Erin (53:25):
question to ask, we'd love to travel and I'm sure listeners
like, we know you love totravel.
We'd love to travel.
what is on your adventure listor where have you been someplace
that you're like?
If you can go there.
You'll be I want to go there andbe inspired.
already And yeah, my eyes arewatering.
(54:53):
I'm trying not to cry becausethis is we were just there for
six weeks and I grew up aroundthe world.
And this is John's first realexperience and immersing in a
culture.
And exactly.
See, I didn't plan on this.
Exactly it is how I feel.
You walked away with it.
(55:13):
It's such a beautiful
John (55:16):
it transforms your life.
I love adventure.
I love Discovery.
I love learning.
about different cultures.
I did not realize The effect,Indonesia would have on me.
the community was so incredible,right?
The way they take care of eachother, the way these little
villages come together, thesecommunities come together and
(55:36):
support each other.
their pace of life is different.
It's slower.
It's more enriching.
It's, The people are socompassionate and caring and
they have so little but theywant to give so much.
And, at first there was a partof me that said, we're tourists,
we have the money, and so theywant to be like that because
they want to get money.
(55:57):
But it's not that way.
I was wrong, and there was anamazing gentleman that was one
of our drivers and, Cadet.
And he.
He invited us to his home, andeven though they make 10 a day
or whatever, he and his wife andtwin boys cooked us this magical
feast, this amazing big hugemeal.
(56:18):
And, and his father and mother,who also lived on the same
property, had shared with usabout these amazing spiritual
fountains.
I'm drawing a blank of the nameof them, but, the story behind
them, and, it's How, yeah, Whatyou go there for and all of this
and it was so beautiful.
It was hard to leave.
we went to six different islandsor five different islands.
(56:40):
And, with each experience, itwas something that Changed me as
a person, made me more open.
and yeah, I absolutely loved it.
So you're right.
So I, for people that haven'tbeen.
There or are worried becausemaybe they're worried because
they speak English and theydon't speak another language.
It's not like that.
there.
you feel so accepted and you canAnd, um, the.
(57:05):
Yeah.
And the food, going, not that wewant to get into a huge
discussion about Bali, but whatI found is they don't have all
the processed foods that we havehere.
And so, I literally ate tons andtons of food and I felt amazing.
I felt great.
I feel energized.
I, didn't feel all these adverseeffects.
(57:27):
so yeah, Yeah.
I'm right on board with youabout Bali.
It's a, yeah, holds a special
Lauren (57:35):
also just, say you can't make it to Bali.
What I learned from Bali and,from most of all of history is
that we're, from being animist,where we feel and experience and
know, not all things around usare alive.
(58:03):
And when we orient to thataliveness, how can we manage too
much stuff?
Like you'll never have enough ofwhat you don't need.
It's this hungry ghost that goesaway when you can be present
with the things in your lifethat are material.
Like this chair, is has its ownpersonality and it's like
(58:23):
supporting me.
Thank you
Erin (58:40):
thank you, Lola, for being our guest on Connecting Power.
It was truly an honor andpleasure to have you today.
and I knew we'd walk away withall kinds of good stuff and
feelings and understanding andbeing open to and how it can
heal us
John (59:00):
physically.
Erin (59:01):
It's so
John (59:01):
much more that you do
Erin (59:02):
besides Yes.
So thank you.
Yeah.
and there's so many benefits itbrings, right?
It brings benefits to if you'rein hospice, then you're in pain,
but also as we're aging, toreally pay attention to our body
and listen for why we need toheal it.
Yeah.
So thank great.
John (59:26):
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