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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Your consciousness does not need your physical body
to survive.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's the coding that projects this world we currently
live in.
I want you to read the Bible.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We got reptilians just outside of our frequency
zone.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race
.
Ideas are the highest form ofintelligence, and that leads you
to truth and clarity.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
The Nephilim sightings are going to stall
soon.
Conspiracy show.
It's obvious.
The aliens are god-fearing andinsanely huge.
We're just one planet.
They would have needed aminimum of six feet of lead
shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of
nl and radiation belt.
This is real.
They really did fake the moon.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
The world is infinitely older than that, and
I mean the world with humanbeings in it skull and bones is
like one of the villains in thelegion of doom, they said.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I'll let you read the bible the biblical flood, the
tartaria mud flood conspiracyand chill the nephilim sightings
are going to start soon.
The Bulldog Ball.
I want you to read the Bible.
There's magnets in thebasketballs.
There was a political party, athird party Called the
Anti-Masonic Party.
At a point in the United States, the Global Pandemic Treaty.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Conspiracy and.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Chill Podcast, conspiracy and Chill.
And this time we have the Cultof Conspiracy and Chill Podcast,
conspiracy and Chill.
And this time we have the cultof conspiracy.
Co-hosts Jonathan and Jacob.
I've been on their show.
We're doing a little Swapcastcrossover here, super stoked to
have them on.
Thanks for coming, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
We appreciate you know doing this and the
Swapcasts are always so much funand I know that you guys are
definitely covering a lot ofcrazy things.
We try and do our best to keepup with all of the world's
events while you know underuncovering like a lot of the
conspiratorial, ritualisticnature of governments and and

(01:58):
all that fun jazz, cia and youknow it's just fun to to do
these things together and havemore eyes and more minds looking
at all these topics to reallyget a better understanding I
think yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
And then I remember he told me he's like, hey, we're
going on, we're doing a swapcast with this show, and I'm
like who's the show?
Conspiracy, and chill.
I'm like it's not reallyringing a bell like what we're
talking about here.
He's like, no, no, we know theguy he came on our show, tom,
and I'm like, okay, tom's kindof a basic guy's name, you gotta
help me out a little bit more.
He's like, no, no, remember,y'all talked about traditional
fighting.
I'm like, fucking tom, dude,what?

(02:31):
Let's go.
I didn't even know that y'allhad started a show.
So when he told me that we weredoing a swap cast with this, I
was like, oh yes, let's go,bring the boys, bring the whole
fucking crew.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
We're doing this man and this is going to be exciting
for our listeners, I'm sure,because, uh, obviously, if
they're fans of our show, theydamn sure are fans of your show.
But so let's go for it, yeahlet's fucking dive in then.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
All right, boys.
So, um, uh, there has been alot of crazy things that have
been happening over the last fewweeks.
You know, obviously, the thebridge collapse kind of deal we
covered that and, uh, the wholeDiddy thing going down, the kids
that are being touched on,nickelodeon fucking.
It's never ending, it seems,and I wanted to see so there's

(03:14):
actually P Diddy actually madean Instagram post.
I don't know if you guys saw it.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Watching it today and he was just randomly sitting
with a kid I'm assuming it's hiskid on his lap in front of,
like this statue, and for noreason and for no context
whatsoever.
He was just naming a bunch ofartists that he's connected to
and that's it.
That's all he dropped.
And like some of the names onthere, you're like oh, if all,

(03:42):
basically to say, like a lot ofpeople are suggesting, if diddy
goes down, he's bringing thewhole fucking ship with him, and
that's something that you knowfriends close to him have said.
Like I ain't, I ain't going tojail, like I will, like I'll
kill myself before that happens,but maybe this is his way of
just like, hey, just rememberwho.
Who got you where you are.

(04:04):
Some of the names on there werelike sierra and will smith and
um kevin hart, like big names,dude and uh.
So it's pretty interesting tosee what is going to unfold from
here, but I don't know, maybe qand o was on some shit a couple
years ago, bro honestly with,uh, the pd stuff and I'm sure

(04:24):
you guys have seen the RyanGarcia rant he's been going off
on.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
We talked about that a little.
It makes you wonder, though,too are Ryan Garcia and Diddy
just playing their parts now?
Are they being kind of set upto look like they're setting
other people up and really justdisplace the guilt so that
everybody else can keep enjoyingthe same botchery that they
have?
And maybe you know Diddy didstep out of line, or Ryan Garcia

(04:48):
did so.
Now they have to do like a bitof a humiliation ritual.
Who knows, john Cena goingnaked at the frickin Grammys, or
whatever it was.
What's up, what's?

Speaker 1 (04:56):
going on.
Kevin Hart, that's aninteresting name because you
guys remember, just a few weeksago Cat Williams was all over
the place blasting Kevin Hartabout how Kevin Hart sold out
and how he's done some crazydevious things to kind of get
where he is.
And yeah, man, I don't know,when you said Kevin Hart, that
just kind of ding, kind of juststuck out there for me.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Absolutely Well.
I mean, look at Kevin Hart as acomedian.
Have y'all seen his stand upprior to like his big special
that everybody saw on Netflix?
Bro, he wasn't funny, not atall.
You watch any of his standupfrom the comedy cellar, from the
laugh factory.
His standup is out there onYouTube.
From when he first broke out, hewas mid tier, like it wasn't,

(05:36):
like he was dog shit.
It wasn't like he bombed everytime he touched the stage, but
like there was nothing thatreally made him stand out Right
Next thing.
You know, he almost idolizedcat williams's style.
Okay, not the jokes he didn'ttalk about pimp things or
nothing like that, but the wayhe would run across stage, the
way he would do all this stuff.
Kevin hart if you look at hisold stand-up, he stood still in

(05:57):
the center of the stage, his bigspecial.
He's over here dry humping thefucking stool, showing that
he'll give you the best 10seconds of sex of your life, and
all this is.
That wasn't Kevin Hart's brand,that wasn't his style of comedy.
Out of nowhere he goes off grid, whatever.
He's unknown Boom Cannot touchsomething without it turning to
gold.
All of that happened rightafter he appeared on screen in a

(06:19):
dress.
Now I'm not saying the two areconnected.
The world is saying that thosetwo are connected because for
some reason, when a famous blackman appears on screen in a
dress, his career justskyrockets after that.
Mathematically it's been provenso many times.
But yeah, to all of that.
Look, diddy has been known tobe a gatekeeper in the industry

(06:41):
but not just the music industry,because he also broke out in
Hollywood.
In a couple of ways too, he hasbeen seen as a big time
gatekeeper in multipleindustries ever since biggie
died.
From that, his weird ways, ofwhich there are many for sure,
has been able to go undetectedand not talked about because of

(07:01):
his position and because he'sthe guy.
But now that everything'scoming to, but now that
everything's coming to light, Ithink it's a, as we're talking
about the election year comingup and as we have all these wars
going on and all these thingshappening out of nowhere, these
little stories are gettingblasted right now.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think it's all very much by design it does kind of
seem like you know and not tokeep on hitting on q and white
hats or anything like that,because I think that that has
gotten taken way, way, way toofar and far too like.
It's almost turned into a damnreligion, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
It's a cult by definition.
I actually think the Q movementcan qualify as a cult.
The only thing that makes itnot is that people aren't like
signing over their worldlypossessions to it.
It's like one or two littlethings off, but it's.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's fucking close but I mean, they've called out a
lot of things and I mean Iwould like to personally think
that there are the quote-unquotegood guys that are bringing
down all of this shit.
But to be completely honest,dude, you know, you know we I
listen, I love Tinfoil Hat, wegot on their show and everything
like that but Sam, sam Tripoli,he always says like yo, it's

(08:12):
basically like two mafias goingat each other.
You know, like there's notreally a good guy, there's just
like two bad guys.
And you know, kind of the enemyof my enemy is my friend in a
way.
But just to say like all right,here's an example.
Have you ever seen the HungerGames movies?
No doubt.
Okay, the Hunger Games movies,the last movie, it was like they

(08:34):
were taking out President Snowand this new person was going to
come and create this new worldand Katniss ended up fucking
shooting her too right, orshooting him.
I can't remember if it was adude or a chick, I didn't see
the last one you did.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Me either.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh, my God, that's not for like eight years, bro.
Where have you been?
I know, to be honest with you,I probably wasn't going to see
it.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Hunger Games kind of fell off for me.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I probably saw the first one, maybe the second, and
I was just like you know.
If I read the books I'dprobably be like about this life
, but it's too much.
And then come to find out theywent way off of what the books
were supposed to be like.
Peta was supposed to be like aGreek god looking thing not that
kid, whatever yeah, that wassome.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I read all the books.
I used to work offshore and wedidn't get like good cell phone
reception out there, so I wouldread all the books.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
You used to work offshore and we didn't get like
good cell phone reception outthere, so I would read all the
books and uh, then you know,that's why my brother got
deported from africa because thewi-fi connection was so bad oh,
I don't doubt it.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
It sucked not having wi-fi, bro, like it's what?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
yeah, that's what led him to fucking get drunk and
steal those buses and equipmentand drive him into the ocean.
He was so pissed off that thewi-fi connection wasn't shit.
He said fuck it, if y'all won'tsend me home early, I'll make
sure you send me home early yourbrother's a straight up fucking
savage dude.
I will say that, cody has notgiven a fuck since day one
confirmed so anyway, I wouldread.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I read the books and then I watched the movies and
they're pretty similar.
There's a couple of differentchanges.
I think pete is a little bitchin the movies where he wasn't
supposed to be in the right.
Um, he actually, if you watchthe first one, like pita, is
really better represented asgail, which is the hemsworth
brother.
Um, that's, that would makemore sense to me, but I don't
know.
The, the, the guy that playspita.

(10:15):
You know he's full-on likesubmitted to hollywood and
probably done like a lot of buttstuff in order to get where
he's at.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Um, jesus, I mean, you know, you know, as I was
about to say, come on now, don'tbe like that you know, I mean
he does, he does like he'sadmitted.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
He goes both ways.
So I mean that's probably youknow that'll.
You know that'll help you risethe ranks real quick well, okay,
I was unaware.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
My bad, especially if you got a dress on oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
So anyway, in that movie the final one everybody
knows that president snow, hewas the one that kind of set up
the hunger games and stuff likethat, and so katniss was really
fighting up against him and shewas trying to take down the
government because the hungergames were just like inhumane,
right and um, and she, he justhad too much powers.
But then there was this other,this other like government that

(11:05):
was about to be put into placeand she saw that that that new
government, that the powers thatbe, were like, if not as
corrupt, maybe more corrupt thanthe, the guy that they've been
trying to fight the whole time.
So she was like, fuck,everybody, put a foot, put a
fucking arrow through thatperson's head, put an arrow

(11:28):
through president snow's head.
It was just great.
But um and it's been a minute,I could be misquoting that, but
that's what I remember from thatbut, um, I think that that's
really what we're, what we'reworking with here.
As far as the governments, like, I think that they're just all
corrupt and everybody alwayswants to pick the good guys.
There ain't no fucking good guysright man you say that, like
even trump looks like he's beenreplaced, bro.
Have you seen the pictures ofhim?
He's pulling off a whole Bidenhere, dude.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I think there really is fakes or clones or something
of all of them and yeah, I liketo use this analogy as the way I
see it too, because I think allvoting is bullshit.
I feel like since the inception, american history is probably
alive.
They were all Masons andLuciferians and all this stuff
from its very inception and whoknows what resets or timelines

(12:06):
and tartarias, but uh, but like,the thing I like to liken it to
is star wars, because whenyou're trying to get a lot of
people woken up, like theesoteric and like the evil cult
or you know, like the, the humansacrifice, uh, dark illuminati,
for lack of better term aspectto that is like way too much of
a stretch and they'll just belike, no, that's not real.

(12:27):
We got to worry about, likecapitalism and and greed and
these laws and like, yeah, thecountry's corrupt enough, but
it's not because of evil wizards.
Like guys like us are like no,guys like the sith exists, like
behind the scenes, like there'sevil wizardry, like the dark
side is real, it's just not outin the open and they're more
worried about, like you remember, that room in star wars like,
uh, the prequels, where there'dbe, like the representatives

(12:48):
from every planet and on theselike little disc things in this
room like arguing semantics andstuff and like, oh, the republic
, like I'm, like you guys areworried about that.
Meanwhile, the guy sitting onthe fucking chair is channeling
the dark side of ancientreligion for thousands of
fucking years and you don't evenbelieve in it see, all right.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
so I just had this conversation.
I had two conversations all inline with what we're talking
about right here.
Yesterday, when I clocked intowork, so young guy just started
our crew, very, you know, when Isay young guy, I mean like 19,
like young, doesn't know aboutthe conspiracy world, doesn't,
doesn't know how bad we'refucked, right, he gets a general
idea because he's, you know,also grown up with the internet,

(13:27):
but doesn't really get it.
So we were talking about, likeGeorge Washington for some
reason, and he was like, yeah,well, I mean it's crazy to me
that he could have been KingWashington, right, the fact that
he didn't do that.
I'm like you realize, all hedid was set up a Freemason style
country, right?
And he's like what do you mean?

(13:51):
I'm like, think about this Inthe 1700s there were no
democracies, there were norepublics, there was only
monarchies in varying degrees,but there was kings.
At this time there was only oneorganization that I can think of
that was not religiously based,that had presidents and
secretaries and treasurers andthis and this, and like billet
positions, not inheritedpositions, and the only one I
could think of from that timeframe would have been the

(14:11):
Freemasons, because to be thegrandmaster of your lodge didn't
matter who your dad was, itmattered based off of your
meritocracy.
And nobody can be the presidentof the lodge or the headmaster
of the lodge for more than somany years.
It works that way on purpose.
So when George Washington setup this country and he took on
that role, of course he didn'twant to be royalty, he wasn't of

(14:32):
royal blood, but he did knowhow to set up a successful
organization to run in this typeof way.
So essentially, you could arguethat democracy is completely
based off Masonic principles andvalues.
And so that, right off the bat,kind of shook the conversation
up.
Then he asked me so what's likethe one conspiracy that

(14:53):
everybody thinks is this?
But it's really not.
I'm like, let me just ask youthis have you ever heard of
adrenochrome?
And he's like what's that?
I'm like how about frazzle drip?
And he's like what?
And I'm like okay, wow, let'sgo ahead and don our tinfoil
hats real quick, because toexplain what these words are, I
have to explain five otherconspiracies to you for any of
that to make sense.

(15:14):
But before I start this, knowthat it's all true, it's all
verified, and here's the thing.
So I broke the whole story downthis and the emails and the
Clinton and the videos and this,the whole story down, this and
the emails and the clinton andthe videos and this I was like
here's the deal.
People think that theadrenochrome problem is
inherently a liberal thing.
Only the democrats, these evildemocrats, are doing this
adrenochrome and frazzle dripshit.
First of all, that's not trueand secondly, they do the same

(15:39):
thing but for different reasons.
Okay, well, let me rephrasethat same actions, different
avenues of approach.
Okay, the democrats do itthrough media and through
brainwashing means and withsiding with this group and that
group.
In this group, the conservativeside does it in the way of
warmongering.
Okay, they do these same typeof dark rituals and blood

(16:02):
sacrifices and whatever, butthey do it in the principle of
starting wars that they can thenback through funding the
military industrial complex thatmakes them more money, which
then gives them more power.
So, either way you slice it, itis in fact two wings of the same
bird that is equally fuckingall of us, us and it's like this

(16:26):
isn't a fun thing to explain topeople, but it's like you know,
when you really start lookinginto conspiracies, you might as
well just go off into the deepend real quick and uh, you know
I was like.
You understand, this ismorpheus from the matrix.
I'm holding two pills in frontof you with this conversation.
Like you asking me what isadrenochrome, I'm essentially
handing out the red and the bluepill.
Right now, you choose whichanswer you want me to tell you.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
you know yeah, sometimes you got to baptize
them in the conspiracy waters.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know what I mean it's not fun to tell the kids
there's no santa claus dude, butlike when you ask a direct
question, like all right, let's,let's have this talk, young man
, let's go also once you start.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean because we all have heroes right, like whether
they be movie actors or sportsplayers, or even presidents who
have gone on, or generals, toeven say Musicians, it doesn't
matter.
We all have some kind of iconthat we love and we can't wait
until.
For me, I was a huge BrettFavre fan, a huge Packers fan

(17:22):
back in the day.
There was nothing that Icouldn't wait like if it was
Monday Night Football and thefucking Packers were playing.
Dude I was.
I was pre-gaming on my couchfor two hours as like an
eight-year-old it was like, andnow pre-gaming with like Huggies
and Cheetos.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
But like you pre-gaming for that like a WWE,
like two hours prior, we'restill on the couch like we're
getting ready.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I would even get a little crazy fucking snort a
pixie stick, just get weird dudeuh, let's go son.
I'm all hopped up on my owndude, fucking hit your line.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Come up the tower of power.
Too sweet to be sour.
Oh yeah, like boy, you justsnorted a pixie stick.
Sit the the fuck down, dad.
You don't understand, man.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's the original booger sugar.
Fuck yeah, but you know we allhave these people that we look
up to and sometimes most peoplecan do no wrong in our eyes.
It's, you know, it's once youkind of got to do a little bit
of inner research withinyourself, go within and not
search so much without, in asense, and be like all right,

(18:27):
like am I looking at this personhow I should be looking at them
, or am?
Am I looking at them throughthese rose colored colored
glasses?
Tom hanks is a big one.
everybody knows that one rightand like cast away and fucking
woody from toy story and nowhe's about to be, or he was
already um geppetto right in thepinocchio movie and it's like,
okay, so now, once, once theonce the the curtains come down

(18:51):
or come back a little bit off ofone character, it then opens
the door for, oh wow, maybe thisperson's corrupt, maybe this
person's corrupt, how did thisperson make so many damn movies
in such a short period of time?
Like what did they do?
You know, and that's the funstuff to really look at.
If you remember, dude, fuckingWill Smith was huge, like 10
years ago, right, and now whereis he at?

(19:11):
Oh, he was the man until Jadacucked him Exactly.
Humiliation rituals, and you seethis kind of, this kind of
stuff throughout all ofHollywood.
It's nonstop guys, guys indresses, guys taking on roles
that they shouldn't, maybepublic humiliation.
Chris Rock got his smack in theface, will Smith got cucked by

(19:31):
Jada and it's like you knowwhat's his name, the comedian,
cat Williams.
Calling out everybody and Idon't, who am I to say that Cat
Williams wasn't originally apart of that whole faction in
the beginning?

Speaker 3 (19:47):
that's how he knows, because he walked away from 50
million dollars four separatetimes.
That's how we know, that's whathe says.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Good point.
I uh got a few things to sayafter that.
Like we were saying earlier,you pretty much can't be in like
high up entertainment unlessyou've rubbed shoulders with
these people played along fullyor unless you've paid your dues
exactly so like Ryan Garcia orKanye or whoever else, who knows
to what level?

(20:14):
when somebody does speak out,are they just trying to wash
themselves of the guilt andadmit it and throw it out there
because they feel that's theright thing to do and they knew
they were part of some fucked upshit and didn't really want to?
Or are they basically Masonicdouble psyop in us or something
like that?
And uh?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
look at it.
With those letters, the letterswith the Drake bell situation,
all of that dude writer, strongand fucking Will Friedle boy
meets world cast.
They came out on their podcastlater.
I was like, well, we didn'tknow the whole story and we
didn't blah, blah.
First of all, bullshit.

(20:51):
Y'all both knew this attackerfor two decades apiece.
Secondly, you were both in your20s when you wrote this letter
and both of y'all asked forprobation no jail time.
So it's like when you hearthese people like later on, well
, you know, we didn't.
Ah, it's like really, dog.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, I look at it in a different sense because
think about it there are peoplewho have fucked their way to the
top, who have killed their pop,who have sacrificed their way
to the top, and maybe they didthat in their younger years when
they didn't know any better.
Maybe now they're better people, but they, they have a dark
past.
And you know, I mean, I guesseverybody deserves a second
chance, except for if you'redoing that kind of shit.

(21:22):
But also think about the peoplewho are now reaping the rewards
of all the negative shit theyhad to do.
Well, those people are nowgoing to stick up for the people
that help them get to wherethey're at, and so maybe you
know he's from boy meets world.
They put in their dues.
They're not trying to go downwith that ship.
If that dude goes down, then hemight bring us down, and so you
know what?
Let's try and get probation forthis guy.

(21:44):
I think that that's mostrealistically the reason why
they're doing that.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I hear that and I get that right.
But at the same time hundredsof people were sent like hey,
can y'all write a letter onBrian's behalf?
They all said no, except for 41people.
Hundreds, not just like 201.
Like 600 people were reachedout to and only 41 came back.

(22:09):
So that's my thing, you know.
I'm saying it wasn't like theyreached out to 45 and 41 wrote
letters.
There was this many people thatknew him to that level knew the
situation was like nah, dog,silence is golden yeah, but
those people are I mean they.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
They seem like they're indebted.
I'm not gonna say thateverybody, but like who's to say
that they didn't have partiesat at brian?
Name's house um, who's to saythere wasn't some weird parties
over there?
Everybody that went over therethey said his house was fucking
weird dude.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
He had letters from uh john wayne gacy dude he was
good pin pals which, like that'sa fucking, a red flag.
Most people would see that andbe like, bro, I'm not hanging
with this guy anymore.
But these people were just like, oh, we just loved him bro,
real life, penny wise.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know, it's like why are you associating yourself
with that?
And then you're also around allkids with Nickelodeon and
Disney.
It's like, come on, dude.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And then he got hired by Disney.
Okay, we're getting off on atangent here, but to your point,
tom, to your point, yes, it'slike you have to rub these
elbows, right?
You have to rub shoulders tothese people and you have to pay
your dues, not necessarily withmoney, sometimes with that ass
I mean, who knows ass?
Cash or grass has always beenthe, the currency of the world.

(23:28):
Last time I checked.
But yeah, and it's like youhave to do that in order to get
to a certain position.
And once they get there, it'slike all right, what do they do
with that?
Do they stay silent and theyjust like ride that wave because
they, they did the shit, likethey went through the trauma and
the abuse and all that to getto where they're at.
Like why are we trying to rockthe boat, you know?
But at the same time, some ofthese dudes are like look, I may

(23:50):
have done some foul ass shit toget here, but my conscience is
eating me alive and it's time tocome clean.
I think both are happening atthe same time.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, and like to get back to the masonry thing
, like if our whole country isfounded on masonry, which prides
itself on playing both you knowboth heads of the same monster,
and order through chaos is kindof their thing and they like to
play every side.

(24:20):
We just had our first Freemasonon yesterday.
You guys uh experience withinterviewing freemasons.
I gotta say I've been laughinginternally since you told the
story of the visual of a new kidfresh out of high school,
coming, just getting ready tolearn his new job at the
refinery.
Didn't know he was going to beforced to take a red pill and
change his life.
He's like there's this dudewith this big beard at work and
he told me all this fuckingcrazy shit and now he's looking
down into the you know what'sworse?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
this is my boss's son .
This is the worst part, dog yo,yo, no, no, t-shawn.
If you listen to this right now, I swear to god I'm gonna see
him this evening too.
Great kid loving to death.
But yes, this is my boss's son,and so he came in as I was
telling him this.
Like what's up, boss?
He's like you, uh, y'all good,I'm like, yeah, just telling
your son about, you know, theglobal league trying to drink

(25:03):
the blood of the innocentconspiratorial shit.
He's like I word, my boss isnot.
He may not be a conspiracytheorist, but he's also not
stupid.
He knows that there's somefuckery afoot, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yesterday.
Do you guys know who PatMiletic is?
The name's really familiar.
Help me out.
Old school MMA legend.
Yes, he's like coached andeverything, and we knew that he
was a freeman and I figured hewas like a, a low level guy.
And my theory is that the lowlevel masons are basically like
a, a cover-up for the higher-upmasons.

(25:35):
Like they keep you at the lowerlevels and where it is kind of
just like charitable and likegood dudes, like blue-collar
type of guys who actually are,like you know, men of honor and
they think, like you know,america's a great place and the
founding fathers were badass,and like good character, good
spirited dudes.
Like he's a farmer and like alegendary fighter.
I don't think he's a fuckingevil occultist at the top.

(25:56):
I feel like if they I've evenheard that they ask you a
specific question when you'regetting through the early ranks
of masonry, like blue lodge iswhat he said, the first three
degrees.
Do you think that the fewshould rule over the many?
And if you say no, they'd belike, oh, what a good upstanding
gentleman and they'll keep youat the lower levels, like that's
what they wanted to hear.
But if you say yes, thenthey're like, oh well, this is
the type of guy we could use,and that's when they start

(26:17):
ascending you up like the, thecorrupt stuff.
But, uh, the.
When mike first broke the icewith it, his response was funny
dude.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I brought it up to him I said, oh yeah, so you know
, you hold the distinct honor ofbeing our first freemason.
And he's like okay, cool.
And the next fucking words outof his mouth, unprovoked, were
yeah, you know, everybody thinksabout satan worship and stuff.
It's like whoa, like really,where did that come from, dude?

Speaker 3 (26:42):
yeah, there's.
There's a few stigmassurrounding Freemasonry at its
whole and, to y'all's point,yeah, I would even argue that
from like level 20 on down istypically good average Joe Blow
type dudes.
Actually I'll say even 32 ondown, honestly.
And if you look at Freemasonryand the principles that they

(27:04):
teach, it's all about makingyourself a better man, a better
citizen to your country, abetter father to your children,
a better husband to your wife.
If you apply the Masonicprinciples.
That's all it is, and it'sapplying this in new and better
ways, and that's the whole thing.
It's not like a chicken soupfor the soul self-help ideology,
and that's the whole thing.
It's not like a chicken soupfor the soul self-help ideology.

(27:25):
But more or less especially backin the day when it was incepted
, these gentlemen from alldifferent walks of life, some of
them have literally never heardhow to be a good person, how to
look at philosophy, how toapply teachings to your life on
a daily basis.
A lot of them have never heardsomething like this.
So of course they would act alittle different.
Of course they would walk witha different strut, because they

(27:48):
know something.
They know something that theircontemporaries don't, even if it
was something small, somethinglike it.
Could be something as simple ashey, you know, if you plant
this plant at this month ratherthan this month, it'll grow
bigger.
Don't tell nobody though.
Nobody though, bro.
He's gonna walk around likehe's got the biggest dick in the
locker room because he's gotsome sort of fucking knowledge
dog that nobody else got, andthen he does it, he uses it.

(28:08):
It works what you got, but yeah, the lower levels.
I absolutely could see that.
They ask you know, do youbelieve this?
And based off of the answers,they, they funnel them in to
where they're most useful forthe order.
I could absolutely see.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
And when you have like good guys, just you know
people will be like, oh, it'sjust a charity organization or
it's just like a drinking club.
They just eating sandwiches andyou know, hanging out and
trying to do community work andnetwork for their business.
Like my uncle, my neighbor,they're good dude.
Like that's almost like aperfect cover up too for anyone
who's like no, I, the masons areup to this.
They're like yeah, okay, my, uh, my 60 year old, uh, concrete

(28:46):
business, uh, charitable uncleis a fucking luciferian.
And no, we're not necessarilysaying that, but then that makes
it almost like covers thetracks having those ground level
guys.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Sure no, let me put it like this, dude y'all
remember hearing about jimmyhoffa?
oh yeah, okay and this is acontrived example, but let me
let me show you where thiscomparison can be drawn.
Do we believe that every truckdriver who is a part of the
Teamsters Union is a corrupt,murderous person that's involved
with the mafia?
Every single truck driver onthe road right now?

(29:16):
Of course not.
Of course not right.
However, the Teamsters Union'spension was used for nefarious
means by nefarious people.
That doesn't mean the truckdrivers are bad people.
The corrupt people at the top,who was using all that power and
all that wealth for their ownmeans, may have been bad people.
You see what I'm saying, so putthat to the realm of the

(29:38):
freemasons, most of thefreemasons in most of your
lodges around the world.
They're not bad people, they'regood people just doing their
thing, trying to be betterpeople.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
They're actually dwindling in numbers big time
too.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
They are.
They're slowly but surelydwindling away.
But the dudes at the top whoare in charge of that massive
charitable budget $2 million aday, $2 million a a day these
people spend strictly on charity.
You want to know what theyspend on their own personal
finances?
You see what I'm saying.
So, like you're lower levelguys who aren't in charge of

(30:12):
these accounts, they're not thebad guys.
It's the top dogs in dc and inlondon and paris and in all
these big cities where it's likethe national headquarters of.
That's where these people are.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Do you think the cashier knows about all the
fuckery this coo is going on?
You know what he's got going onexactly.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
You know exactly.
If walmart come to find out,walmart gets blasted for using
slave labor and all this shit.
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm not like riding outside thecashier in the stock person's
house.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
They ain't did shit well, the thing is that it's a
massive I mean, originally itwas probably just a big network
like it's a networking.
Like you have connections toall these people, right?
Like, are you going over thesame literature that I'm reading
?
You understand what Iunderstand.
And, yeah, we do all these goodworks, but I mean, the mafia
did too.
Let's just be real.
Um, we do all these good things, but there's but there's secret

(31:04):
knowledge to be obtained, andit's not for the masses, it's
for the people who are willingto accept this knowledge as
actual truth.
And then you work your way on upto the ranks and you keep on
learning more, and you keep onlearning more before who knows?
I mean, some people say thatthey've infiltrated the
Freemasons and found out that,in order to get to the 33rd

(31:25):
degree, you have to admit thatLucifer is your God, or
something like that.
I mean, could you imagine,though, I mean, getting all the
way to the 32nd degree?
I don't know how many yearsthat would take, but probably a
decently long time, rightDecades.
You put in all that work andall that time, and you've
labeled yourself as a Freemason.
I imagine it would probably bepretty hard to then, you know,

(31:50):
once you get up to that door,who's your master, who's your
God?
And if you don't answer thatright, it's almost like maybe
all your life work has kind ofgone down the shitter, and so
that's probably how they talk alot of people into it.
They got to warm them up to it,and this is where this
information's come.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
It's actually coming from the light bearer and that's
how we got all this knowledgeand it's like you said, bro,
you've dedicated so many yearsof your life at that point to
become a 32nd degree mason youwould have to have and I don't
know, like I'm sure there'ssomebody who, like, holds the
record well, they achieved thisrank in five years and like I'm
sure there's some sort of crazyoutlier with some, some wild

(32:27):
underhanded shit that went downthat way, because I actually
know masons.
They've gone to these lodges.
They'll do weekend seminarswhere you can jump up from the
rank of, like, level 6 to level23 in a weekend, because you,
you pay your little dues to getthis level and he just sits
there and goes over this littlepacket of paper with you and,
and now you got the knowledgeand boom, this level, this level
, this level.
And it's like, bro, that is notthe way an apprenticeship is

(32:49):
supposed to work.
That is not the way.
This is not the way.
You know what I'm saying.
But these days things happen alittle off kilt.
But to your point, to be like a32nd degree you have pretty much
you could be a stategrandmaster at that point.
You could realistically be thegrandmaster of your entire state
at 32nd and nobody would lookdown on that and be like, oh,

(33:13):
you had to go that low, likethat's a respectable fucking
rank.
That would get you what?
10 years, 20 years, sometimes30 years, to achieve that, and
by point, you've dedicated somuch of your life.
It's not just the years inservice, so to speak.
All of your friends, all ofyour network, all of your boys,
all your partners, all yourbusiness associates.

(33:35):
You have cultivated in such aMasonic way your entire life to
where, whenever you arepresented with that question and
let's say hypothetically, wedon't know, we've never been
there, but to say that they doin fact make you claim that
Lucifer is God and all thesethings.
At that point, dude, if youwere to say no and walk away,

(33:55):
you're walking away from yourwhole life.
All of your contacts areshunning you, you are ostracized
from your family, your tribe.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And at that point, who would say also?
Also, you're.
You're set up at a point rightthere too.
I mean, imagine you didn't knowthat all this information was
coming from lucifer.
If that's actually what it is,imagine you didn't know.
Well, now you've taken so muchtime to do so much research and
you feel like you understand thefucking universe, bro, and in
order for you to make a decisionto turn away, you now are not
only turning away from thebrotherhood and all the

(34:29):
information that you've learnedand all the good works and all
the things that you've done andall the relationships that
you've made.
You're now literally taking ahammer to the glass, that is,
your beliefs, bro.
Your beliefs are now absolutelyshattered if you don't move
forward.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
So you can kind of see how they put them in that
pickle right there dude, I was,uh, alfred pike, general alfred
pike, the one who wrote moralsand dogma and who also was a
member of the independent orderof odd fellows and who also,
like he, was a part of likeeight different, like secret
society like occult guys forsure bro, like he's, he's in the

(35:06):
top five under allister crowley, like I mean.
Granted, allister crowley isprobably top tier as far as
accolades and awards fromsocieties of the woo woo types.
Fine, this guy, from notmistaken, is like top five, or
literally wrote the book moralsand dogma on how to be a good
mason.
He even founded his ownesoteric order which is still

(35:26):
followed today.
It is not Masonic, it is fullon black magic.
Same dude did these things.
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, dude, same as um, like your boy.
Uh, from the secret teachingsof all ages, manly P hall We've
read, we've had plenty ofepisodes on that, and it delves
right into all of the, thefreemasons I don't believe that
he was actually a freemasonhimself, right, I don't think so
like collected this informationand and went all over the place
really in like a way like, uh,paramahansa yokananda and that

(35:59):
kind of yo get it morespiritually.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
You're talking about the majikian book, right um
which one?
That's the manly p hall.
You're talking about theMajikian book, right which one?
That's the Manly P Hall.
You're talking about theMajikian right?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
No, no no, no, that's the secret teachings of all
ages is Manly P Hall.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
The Majikian is Philip Cooper.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
That's the one.
Okay, yo the Majikian.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I had someone recently tell me like and I'm
like okay, what you don't likeit.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
They're like no, it's , it's pure demonic, like he's.
He's reading it's not look, I,this isn't jacob.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Jacob didn't say this okay, I don't know anything
about this and read.
Did this person actually readthe book or did he?
I didn't somebody else.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I didn't go into detail with this gentleman, but
he did say that this book, whatyou were reading on air, was
pretty much you were sayingsatanic spells without realizing
it Just by reading this book.
How does he know?
Look, I don't know Big Dog.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
No, dude, I read this book.
This is a book that it wasactually out of print for a very
long time.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
That was the point of the conversation too.
They're like there's a reasonit was taken down.
I'm like I mean probablybecause it didn't sell.
They're like no, it's Satan.
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I can go join some Luciferic order or I can join
one of these secret societies,and that hasn't been taken away,
but a book has been taken away.
By the way, I read that bookpage to page.
I did like fucking sevenepisodes on it.
I can recite to you exactly.
You know, yes, there are rituals, but everybody has a ritual,

(37:31):
whether you know it or not.
When you wake up and you rolloff one side of the bed and you
go do the same thing everymorning, you go take a leak, you
brush your teeth, maybe youcomb your hair, you put some
fucking makeup on if you're agirl or whatever, right, it's
like that's a ritual at like.
You might not call it a ritual,but that's exactly what a

(37:51):
ritual is.
It's a fucking habit that youform so that you, you know, like
it's just a thing that youautomatically do.
Now, it did get into likecertain you know it.
It it talks about the swordsand the shields, shields and and
the cups, and you know all therepresentations of exactly what
it does to your subconscious.
But, dude, honestly, I wasgoing over that.
It's basically a guidedmeditation, bro.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
That's really what it is.
This again was not Jacob'swords, but this person
apparently said that that bookwas pure Satanism.
And I don't mean like AntonLaVey.
They meant like straight upyour communion with the dark
lord and I'm like I will pass onthe message.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Let me put it to you like this, jacob, you always say
it If you're a hammer,everything's a nail For sure.
If you're a Christian, allother religions are the devil,
okay.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
First of all.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I resent that.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I, as a Christian, resent that.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Come on, dude.
How many times dude you?
A Christian resent that.
Come on, dude.
How many times Dude you didn't?
There was a long period of time.
You didn't even want me doingtarot readings.
Oh, I still don't.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I still don't want you doing tarot readings because
, again, per the book that Iread, it clearly says those who
deal with the game of lot orchance are dealing in witchcraft
.
So like throwing bones orpulling tarot cards as a way to
predict what's going to happen,Verbatim says in my book that
that's not to be fucked with.
Now look, I'm not judging youand thinking that you're
obviously communing with Satanbecause you pulled out a deck of

(39:16):
cards.
Bro, I'm not that guy.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't believe that everythingelse has to be Satan.
I think there's areas of graywithin and I'm also not in a
position to say what shade ofgray something is or is not.
I'm just a guy.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Look, and this is my opinion, my opinion is, unless
you're calling on the dark lordhimself or if you're committing
sacrifices in his name, it's notsatanic.
That's just my honest belief.
Now, the Ouija board, that's awhole other thing, Wait, hold on
.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I was going to say you know he answers even when
you're not calling upon him,right?

Speaker 4 (39:50):
You know that I was going to say it's kind of scary
when you open it up.
Other things that you don'twant to come through could come
through is what a lot of peopleget paranoid and worried about,
and I druidic and celtic stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Like I ranted about that when I was on your guys's
show before I was all into thatstuff like basically, like you
know, pagan nature, ancestorworship type of stuff, and which
is fascinating and for sure,many cultures throughout all of
history have done that in manyregards, for sure there's some
spooky stuff, and I dated a girlwho was like way too like
literally psychic.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
I honestly would kind of like to get her on the show
because, like I'm not even likebullshitting you guys, I can say
100 certainty like witchy,psychic stuff.
And her tarot readings werejust like I don't know dude,
they fucking freak me out like Idon't want to be around them
anymore either but is she reallypsychic?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
is she really saying bro.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
No, I mean like people like psychic or is she
what we now call a stalker?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
no, there was just some shit that she should have
never known or had any way ofknowing and hearing and picking
up other conversations thathappened years ago in my house
and she's Native American thisgirl I'm talking about, and
what's your diary?
I don't remember, and shewasn't like a full blood native
american.
She was a mix of a lot of things, sure but uh tribe called she

(41:03):
was dude from a young age couldlike see, honestly I'll have to
get around because she's gotsome fucking wild stories.
She scared me and blew me andsome of my friends minds with
some of the stuff she could knowlike just very like
paranormally sensitive.
And I've heard you guys havehad, you know, some trippy ass
girls on the show that have saidlike oh, they can read people
or they can like see parts oftheir past or their aura and

(41:24):
like just wild shit that soundsso woo woo but like I can't even
deny some of it because I waswitness to it.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Sure, yeah, We've definitely had some, some people
on the show.
There's no doubt about it.
We're not going to dive too farinto that.
We don't believe in trash talkand you know, guess we've had on
.
No, no, we've had guests thatrun the gambit dude.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
We've had some guests that were like out of their
fucking gourds and we've hadsome guests that, like were
clearly on some shit that wecan't explain.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
We've had all types of walks of life on this show,
bro.
Well, this is the reason why Iwas so like for the longest time
.
I wanted to dive into a lot ofthe spiritual things, because I
think that in order to reallyunderstand what's what's good
and what's evil, you really haveto do your own research on it
yourself.
Like, how do you know who theenemy is if you don't know what
the enemy does, how the enemythinks?

(42:13):
So let's just say there is anenemy, well, I'm going to go
down hole, I'm gonna learn whatthat enemy does, what the tracks
and all that.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
This is why I got into demonology at one point in
time.
Dude specifically what you'resaying fuck, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
So, and that's really .
That was the big reason, youknow, I wanted to create meta
mysteries was because I wantedto dive into all of the
spiritual shit.
I want to be able to absolutelyunderstand it and I'm not going
to lie, I'm still very early inMeta Mysteries.
We only just put out likeepisode 104 or something like
that Only been doing it sinceAugust.
So I would be remiss to saythat I know or I understand

(42:51):
exactly what's going on.
But I will say what myunderstanding is as of now and
maybe it'll stick, maybe itwon't, but I honestly believe
that whenever people talk aboutthe devil or God okay, you got
these two figures the devil orthe God, the all-loving,
all-knowing, everything, that'sthe God, devil is like the exact

(43:12):
opposite.
Obviously, if you really breakit down, dude and I'm somebody,
I do past life regressions andeverything to talk to the higher
self and I hypnotize you andall that fun jazz, right, and
you start to really understandthis is my understanding, I'm
not pushing this on anybody elsebut you start to really
understand exactly who the Godand the devil are within you.

(43:33):
And the devil is your fuckingego, bro, bro, the one that
thinks it's the absolute shit,the one that can do no wrong,
the one that can talk shit onanybody and not feel any kind of
bad way about it.
It like the, the, theconsciousness there is.
There is no guilty conscious atall associated with that

(43:54):
fucking thing.
That's the devil row, that'sthe real devil, the god that's.
You know.
That's whenever you're doingkind things that you're doing
the kind works, and I believethat god is within all of us,
but I also believe that, if youwant to call it maybe the
devil's in all of us too.
That's the ego, and so I couldbe wrong.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
That's my understanding of it, though I
mean, that is like thearchetypical lucifer traits, the
narcissist freaking, you know,do no wrong and do it.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yeah, exactly, exactly which that's all,
satanism kind of, is morenarcissistic and it's all
worship of oneself and oneselfdecides everything.
And it's all about me myselfand I.
And to your point, john, thisis not me trying to combat you
by any means we you and I have avery different set of beliefs
on this one.
I believe that we should notrely on human understanding,

(44:43):
because human understanding isfucking human understanding and
we're dumb.
So that's just me.
And although there have beentons of people that have been
born before me that are waysmarter, I also understand that
their limitations were strictlyhuman.
I also understand that theirlimitations were strictly human,
but I understand why peoplewould look at the teachings and
philosophies of wiser men andwiser women from years past and

(45:06):
apply that to their lives todayto find deeper meaning behind
all of it.
I absolutely respect that forsure.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Sure, well, I mean, I mean you really want to get
down to it.
All religious works, allreligious texts, they're written
by the hands of men, dude, likeright, and like you know, we
talk about the oath or we talkabout the Ten Commandments by
God and all that kind of stuff.
I mean I've never personallyseen them in my presence.

(45:33):
I mean I want to believe inthem.
I want, like I love all thespiritual shit.
I never like say oh, I don'tlike that, you know it's stupid.
I mean, unless it's like right,obviously, but like you know,
that kind of stuff I you know, Ithink that you're always just
going to be pulling from humanunderstanding, from one, whether
it's your own humanunderstanding or somebody else's
.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
So that's where the faith-based conversation starts
right.
So to your point yes, everyword written was written by
human hands.
Certain people, believingdifferent religions, believe
that their works, their writtenworks, are divinely inspired.
So while human hands might havewritten it, it didn't come from

(46:14):
the human mind in that way.
Some might say they were beingchanneled by somebody else.
In other religions they wouldsay God was moving through them.
Call that whatever form youwant.
But then on that again to yourpoint, is that that's all
faith-based, Like?
You have to have faith thatthat's divinely inspired.
You have to have faith that theword that was written down is

(46:36):
in fact the word that got to youthrough years and translations
and all that.
So again, while I believe whatI believe, I hear what you're
saying and I respect it yeah,well, there's um.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Uh, damn, there was this book I wanted to.
What is it called the rich?
Fuck, I can't think of the namedead poor dead.
No, no, it's like Fucking greatbook, by the way.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Everybody should read that one.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
It's okay, but as far as oh, my screen just fucking
disappeared.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
No, that book will teach you how to look at the
business world versus the realworld.
That's why I'm saying everybodyshould read it.
It's not like it's going tochange your life.
I'm saying it should alter yourperception on what is versus
what should be it should alteryour perception on what is
versus what should be.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
I'm trying to look up this bookso that I can quote it real
quick.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Mike, what is your beliefs on all these things?
We've had Tom on the showbefore.
What is your religious beliefs,your dogma that you subscribe
to?
Where are you at with it?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Well, I was Catholic to the age of reason, which, for
me, which was like 11.
You know, I was forced to go to.
CCD I did all that bullshit.
I was a curious kid and I wouldask questions at CCD and I was
too young to understand thatthese people didn't really know
what they were talking about.
They were just volunteers andthought they were doing the
right thing and so I would askquestions and I would get in

(47:56):
trouble and get sent down to thenun To make a long story short.
That really soured me on it.
I always considered myself anatheist, but as I've gotten
older I'd say maybe the last notquite decade, maybe the last
seven to ten years I wouldconsider myself agnostic.

(48:17):
I know there's way more to allof this.
I just don myself like agnostic, like I know there's there's
way more to all of this.
I just don't know what it is,but yeah, I can't, you know, I
can't put a finger on it.
And it's weird too, cause, youknow, you hear a lot of people
that have uh, uh, whether it'slike they've overdosed or
they've been in terrible caraccidents, and they have like
these, uh, these like whitelight moments where they're they
could have crossed over, andit's like I've overdosed seven

(48:39):
times and never got to see anyof that bullshit.
So it's like I wonder.
It's like, is there somethingor isn't there?
Like I didn't get to seeanything and so many people have
, what is that?
If there is, like, what doesthat mean for me?
You know, it's like I don't.
I do all this this thinkingabout it, but I hope I answered
some of it.
I kind of r rambled yeah, no,no, no, dude, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I always really looked at it, as you know, and I
could be wrong on this also,but I I kind of see it as, like
you know maybe what happens toyou, you know as far as what's
after this life, or you know ifyou were to have a near death
experience, or something likethat.
I think it's entirely based uponyour beliefs, bro, Like that's.
That's honestly really what Ibelieve, because you'll see some
people who are, you know, somepeople who are Christian, and

(49:20):
they'll have a near-deathexperience.
They see Jesus, some people whoare, um, you know, Buddha
followers or whatever, and they,they have near-death experience
.
You see Buddha, some people whoare agnostic and and they
really are interested in a lotof the, the, maybe some of the
Gnostic teachings or whateverthe spiritual beliefs are, and
they start to see something evenlike way different, Like they

(49:45):
understand that maybe they're inthe presence of God, but they
can't exactly put their fingeron it, but it seems a little bit
godly in a sense.
I don't know.
But as far, dating back to whatyou were saying, Jacob, as far
as the whole faith thing goes,the book that I was trying to
think of is called think andgrow rich by Napoleon Hill.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
And yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Fucking phenomenal book that everybody should,
should, read.
Not only is it like great forlike business, you know,
understandings and stuff likethat, but towards the end of the
book, dude, he gets into thischapter and he saved it for the
end and what he said was is thatif you're ever trying to grow
anything you want to grow apodcast, you want to grow a
business, you want to grow abetter relationship with your

(50:26):
significant other, or whateverthat there has to be.
A faith based thing goes, and Idon't mean faith in, in, you
know, the bible or god oranything, but an absolute faith,
almost unknowing that that,what is what you want to happen,
will happen as long as you takethe steps in order to make that
happen.
And that, to me, like wheneverI heard that I heard that before

(50:49):
I even got into conspiracypodcasts or doing this podcast
at all, and it was, um, dude, Imean that that clicks to me, and
so I think, think that you know, whatever your beliefs are,
that's kind of like, maybe, howyour life is going to pan out,
in a way.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
That's one of the books, dude.
There's three books I usuallyrecommend to people who are
talking about doing anythingbusiness related period Rich Dad
, poor Dad, think and Grow Richand how to Win Friends and
Influence People those threebooks.
Just read those and then beginyour journey into business or
whatever, and I promise you'llhave a better footing than you

(51:25):
even realized.
But I'm just saying Anyway.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to have to check some of those
out for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Dude Dale Carnegie wrote a book how to Win Friends
and Influence People.
It's a fucking page turner.
And he wrote this way back inthe early 1900s.
Very interesting how thatapplies today.
Still Very interesting.
People have been peopling sinceday one.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
I'm surely no businessman, but this is
something I definitely wanted totalk to you about too, and I'm
going to give a shamelessadvertisement here too for what
I've been doing.
I don't know if you guys haveseen or know what I'm doing with
the league called WrestlingWars.
It's like a promotion I do andthe way I kind of want it to be.
We're still early on in it andit's like on my YouTube channel.

(52:09):
It's legit matches ofhistorical wrestling styles.
The catch wrestling is the onethat I've competed in.
Then I got the Irish collar andelbow wrestling that I'm
involved in reviving.
There's another one called backhold wrestling that comes out
of like that's.
Scotland sword yeah, exactly,it's like evolved from like the
clinches they would do whilefighting with broad swords and

(52:32):
claymores and stuff.
Like they'd end up locking upwith each other and I go over.
Under clinching you have tohold the back, like that's what
we do.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah, dude in the boom.
That's how a lot of ourtakedowns happen.
It's a lot of standing judo anda lot of the clinch work is
more or less different versionsof a bear hug that you can throw
your hips and get a guy downwith.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
So fuck yeah and a lot of trips and stuff like that
and uh so we do a lot ofdifferent, obscure, like older
wrestling styles and we keep itfucking fun and goofy.
Like I said, I kind of want itto be like the crossover between
the Attitude Era, wwe and theearly UFC, like just gunslinging
, fucking days, and so like thereal matches and I want the

(53:11):
people to you know we fuckingmake it funny on the commentary.
I tell all the wrestlers likehype it up, be a character like
cut stupid promo and uh, justlike the.
The mixed style matches arekind of gimmicky anyway, but one
of the ones I'm planning ondoing for this next one.
So I have a lot of like foamweapons, like I know that's like
the soft kits for like what youdo with the full armored combat
and and I'm definitely nofencer or anything like that.

(53:32):
But I've gone to renfairs andI've around with guys who are
and I I like it.
I study combat across all arts,I'm a nerd and uh, I have
plenty of foam weapons.
So this one I'm gonna try and doa couple of matches for the
people who are willing to do it,of weapon wrestling.
So the rule set I worked outfor it they'll have like their
foam weapons and then you canwin the round by scoring three

(53:54):
points.
Three points would be either ahead shot or a neck shot.
One point would be a arm or aleg shot.
Two points would be like atorso shot, so like, and you
break after each uh score.
So you can't like combo the guyor anything, just like first
hit like a fencing, then youseparate, you go again.
But three points also would befor a takedown.
If you can like clinch the guyand take him down cleanly

(54:17):
without getting hit first, andyou like throw him to his back,
that would also score three, solike three points either a throw
to their back off of like abind or a head or a neck shot,
or you just tally up like thepoints from the body and leg
shots and it'll be like bestthree out of five of those and I
think that'll be a fun littlegimmick.
What do you think about thatrule?
Set as a night fighter.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
So first of all, yes, yes, to everything happening
here.
So there is a group at theLouisiana Wren Fest.
They're called Ordo Precinctus.
They basically do this.
It's like rattan fighting sosticks, but they do have foam
and duct tape on them.
Their armor is mostly very thinaluminum.
It's like I think they takelike washing machines and
they'll like cut out theportions and bang it out and

(54:59):
like make it happen.
It looks great, but it won'tlike actually defend against a
metal hit.
But a stick hit for sure.
It's like sca type larp almost.
It's like harder than larparmor, but below my armor, if
you want to find a mid-tier,they do this style of fighting.
So what they'll do is they'llwatch for hand shots as well.
So, basically, if this wouldhave been a fight-ending blow,

(55:20):
they'll take that.
So like understandably, yes, inreal life you could have
swapped hands and grabbed yoursword over here.
But, like yo, if he would havecut your hand off just now, he
would have gotten you before youhad a chance.
Like, let's be real here.
So like that stops the fight.
So I love this.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Secondly, secondly, where?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
are you located?
Again, we're in um orland park,like 20, 30 minutes south of
chicago.
Okay, damn, I was gonna saythere is some night fires
actually around chicago and ifyou want we could try to reach
out to them and they could comein and put on like about for you
in full plate steel that wouldbe crazy.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
That would be fun as hell.
Definitely down the line likethis shit's gonna pop off.
I I already know it.
I have a vision in mind wherewe get all these podcast dudes.
I know Mystic Mark used towrestle.
We hung out with Sam at theshow and I tried to get him to
roll around with me because he'sdone some jiu-jitsu now too.
You got the knife fighting.
Maybe we got to do an absurdevent with all the conspiracy

(56:15):
podcast combat dudes and have afreak show like mixed style
fighting affair.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Let me ask you this, bro have you gone to like the
Celtic games?
I'm sure they have some aroundChicago, so I did.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I did go to one of the Scottish Celtic ones where
they do like the caber toss andlike the rock throws and all
this strongman stuff.
And I went and I met with anorganizer like like hey, you
guys should be doing back holdwrestling too, like this is part
of it.
Nothing ever really came ofthat but with the Irish collar
and elbow wrestling stuff I justwas at the place called Gaelic
Park.

(56:48):
It's like a Chicago Irish Centeryeah and I did like a demo of
the Irish wrestling.
It was definitely more of likea WWE theatric for the crowd,
like people drinking.
Just hey, let's go up and likeslam each other you.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
We did some Steven Seagal hyping it up and the most
Irish thing I've ever heard inmy life.
You went to an Irish event andstarted wrestling with a bunch
of dudes and y'all just gotdrunk and fought all afternoon.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
That's an.
Irish afternoon, if I've everheard of it Exactly, and anyone
who out there has never heard ofirish collar and elbow
wrestling, definitely look it up.
That's, that's something I'vebeen putting on blast.
That's part of my life missionto revive that uh art now that
it's out there and it's prettysick uh so I would say to look
for hurling leagues.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Do you have one around chicago?

Speaker 4 (57:31):
that same place was.
Uh, that we were at they havelike hurling and gaelic football
and stuff and one of thehurling players came up to one
of my guys after like yo, wegotta do some crossover dude, we
, you guys, could be like ourenforcers.
And they actually used to dothe collar and elbow wrestling
matches after like soccer orgaelic football games or the
hurling matches, to let theplayers kind of like 1v1 their

(57:52):
differences yeah, I would say,do that.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
And then also with these uh celtic games that get
put on from time to time, getwith the organizer and be like
look, I got eight fighters.
Like you have to like organizeand get enough fighters to make
this happen, but like, if youbring eight dudes, y'all set up
a booth and y'all set up alittle thing on your own and
y'all have your own bracketsystem.
That is for the purpose of thisday.

(58:15):
We're seeing a lot of guys withthe armor combat group.
The nashville team hasofficially have a successful
cage fighting league like in acage fight with the armor and
swords.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Yeah, I've seen those .

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Those are shit once they finally got some decent
sponsorship money behind it.
Jagermeister finally sponsoredthe league, so like, it's an
official league now right, whichis great, but they're only
beholden to themselves.
There's no like national league, commissioner, on this type of
thing.
So they other groups around thecountry have found that, like
for renfests and for otherevents they put on, they just

(58:49):
like, show up and they just needpermission from the place and
like, or from the organizer, butthey set up everything.
They set up the arena, they setup the chairs, if need be.
Boom, boom, boom.
It's a lot of extra work and ittakes a lot of people to make
something like that happen, butit does work out, you know.
So I'm excited, dude.
Yes, and for the, the principleof your wrestling style and

(59:12):
using weapons as weapons ofopportunity, for the principle
of not just combatives but forgrappling.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yes, a thousand percent to this maybe you'll be
our champ for it one day in ourcrossover event bro I'm
currently the louisianimal, soif I'm just saying the
louisianimal can make a trip upto chicago to, you know, slap
some dudes with a stick.
I'm down with it, dude well,we're definitely trying to grow
it.
Yeah, he's already got the ringname, so let's go oh, dude, I
have a cape.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Oh man, I have a fucking black bear cape.
It's a whole thing.
Oh yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'mcoming out as a fucking heel for
sure.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
So we got any sponsors out there that want to
get on wrestling wars early.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Uh, hit me up, let's do it so you were talking about
how you wanted to implement like90s attitude era.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Oh, 100%.
I'll send you guys the link tothe past events that we've done.
You'll see the kind of vibewe're going for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Y'all are having like promos and shit too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Yeah, definitely Like I've done some funny post-fight
interviews and a lot of theguys are just like goofy
grapplers and stuff that I knowfrom around here and they
weren't ready to have like acamera stuck in their face.
So it ends up just being likefunny, coincidentally awkward
and just stupid.
But then there's some guys whogo full like promo WWE character
with it, like macho man shit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Let me tell you something exactly, but with real
matches.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
So like these guys are scrapping hard under like
different styles and like thecatch wrestling is literally WWE
rules.
If it was legitimate, count forthree on their back pin or you
tap them out.
So the next event too that Iwas going to have those weapon
fights we're going to have tagteam matches.
So literally a real tag teammatch.
If you can get to the cornersay the dude's choking you or

(01:00:53):
you're about to get beat, butyou can reach your partner and
tag him in it's just like WWEThen they'll get the two seconds
or whatever to double team theguy.
Then you can get back to thematch.
Whoever has the most pins atthe end of the time limit or do
best two out of three.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Are you ready for this to become the next big
thing in this country?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yes, it doesn't matter what you think.
It doesn't matter what youthink, it doesn't matter if
you're ready, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
He's ready, oh man, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
The Louisiana animal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Fuck yeah, I see you quoting all your Bible quotes
and I just came here to tell youthat Austin 316 has a quote for
you Talk about your Psalms.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Talk about John 316.
Austin 316 says I just whippedyour ass austin came to whip
your ass or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It was like fuck yeah , dude.
Kind of old school quotes likethat, like that's what made
wrestling like rock.
It doesn't matter what you sayor whatever it's like.
That's what made it so awesome.
Like not everybody can reallyappreciate the you know, the
everything that goes into it.
So those promos and all thatshit talking everybody can

(01:02:01):
relate to that dude, yeah thisone's on April 27th and we're
definitely going to try and keepit going.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
It's pretty fun.
I stream it on my YouTubechannel.
Again, I suck with that aspect,so I got my friend Ryan who
helps kind of manage all thatand bring the stream together,
got a good little team helpingme.
Mike's helped film and Mike wasan MMA journalist as well, so
I'm going to stick him on someinterviews and whatever else.
We got all the pieces to makethis a pretty big and fun thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Hell yeah, dude, I tell you what if you make
something happen for the falltime, I'll probably be able to
drive up or fly up either wayand actually participate.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
And I want to eventually move around with it
too, like I don't want it tojust be limited to chicago, like
uh, yeah, man, I'm trying tomake this as international and
as entertaining as it can get Igot you dude, look, I got two
sets of armor.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
So like I'm gonna bring them and hell, even if I'm
not participating.
If you got two guys that are atleast decently built to wear
this fucking, let them get afterthem in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yep, hell, yeah, that shit is happy to wear.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Dude, they'll get a different appreciation about two
minutes of fighting in, butlike they can get after it till
the gas tank's empty oh, dude,I'll give you 30 seconds of
motherfucker, but after that,like it's done, like I'm gassed
all the way.
It's a bitch dude, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I got a funny story too.
Staying on the pro wrestling, Iknow, when Mike and I did one
of our first episodes, it wasjust him and I to let the
audience get acquainted with us,but I figured this is the
conspiracy crossover.
Right now, two shows withconspiracy in the name, four
goofball conspiracy theorists inone room.
Maybe we can all share thestory.
But uh, I've credit what mademe a conspiracy theorist as a

(01:03:41):
little kid.
The moment that I really, likeyou know, lost all trust in
authority or legitimacy is likewhen you're little and you watch
wrestling, you like think thatthat's a.
You're what it's like watchingthe game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
You know like it's, it's as real as it gets or
whatever, and uh, obviously reallife right now, bro, he just
smacked the dude with a metalchair how could you fake it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
he jumped off a ladder on top of him and I was
like four or five years old andI was a huge goldberg guy.
Goldberg just killing everybody, dominating everybody, like
undefeated streak.
And I was, I was all in ongoldberg and when the biggest
pay-per-view was going to be himversus kevin ash and nwo and
shit, and and he was stillundefeated and I was like
begging my parents, get me thepay-per-view, like come on, we

(01:04:19):
got to watch this, I have to seethis.
And being a little kid, thosethings would run late and I was
just getting tired of the othermatches and anticipation and I
eventually passed out as a kidbefore the match, which was
devastating.
So when I woke up without likeTebow or anything like that too,

(01:04:41):
I didn't have a chance to goback and watch it.
My dad would troll me like anyfun dad does.
He was just messing with me inthe morning when he was reading
the paper in the morning, havinghis coffee, and I thought that
this was one of those examples.
I'm like so what happened?
He's like, oh, and my dad was aScott Hall fan.
He's like Scott Hall came outand got Goldberg with the stun
gun and then pulled the ref ontop of him and made him win.
I was like no, he didn't.

(01:05:01):
Like that just sounded likeanother day of him fucking with
me or something.
I was like no, no, there's noway that happened.
Like no, they, the league,should have stopped it and like
overturned it.
You know, like that, that can'tbe allowed and it's a title
fight, like it's goldberg'sundefeated streak.
That did not happen.
And then, sure enough, that'swhat they did on the screen.
They had him come out, distractthe ref, shock the ref with a

(01:05:21):
taser and pull him on top offucking Goldberg while Goldberg
was knocked out.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
The WWE used to be fucking wild in the 90s, bro,
like yo what?

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Oh, it still is dude.
It's a mistrust of authority.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
But your boy just brought a fucking taser into the
ring Like bro what?

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
That's when I learned life is fair game.
Someone could come fuck you atany moment and never been the
same.
Since this is like a Stone Coldwould turn, up six fucking cold
ones on camera.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
No fucks, given.
This was a different time, youfeel me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
We have a guy, even now, like Loganul is hitting
everybody with the brass,knuckles and shit, like that is
clearly, you know, not gonnahappen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
We have a guy in wrestling wars who barely trains
like he wrestled in high schoola little bit.
He's like a big, strong guyused to lift a lot in power
lifting.
We call him captain americabecause he's like a big, burly
guy comes out, uh, belly outwith a uh, american short, short
shorts, american flag bandana.
And he's like a big, burly guycomes out belly out with a
American short, short shorts,american flag bandana and he's
slamming beers in the back.
I wish I would have got this oncamera before slamming beers in

(01:06:25):
the back, before his match goesout.
And he beat an Olympian in judoin a catch wrestling match
after just slamming some fuckingbeers and stepping out just
pure American steel.
And his other match too.
I can't recall who we faced,but just smashed somebody after
just pounding a few beers.
I'm like dude, this is one ofmy guys right here.

(01:06:45):
This is uh look we gotta getthis on tape this is different
type of fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Okay, just because, like, you're a good boxer
doesn't mean you're a goodwrestler.
Just because you're good atjudo and you know how to make
pretty things, where, like, I'mgonna hit you with the earth and
like, haha, yo catch wrestlingand back hold and these
traditional glema or glimma, Iforget how it's pronounced.
This is a different type ofstrength that you need to be

(01:07:12):
good at these.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
I'm gonna be straight up with you oh yeah, and like
you guys have seen those showslike rough and rowdy or street
beef, like just fucking loverough and rowdy dude.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
That is one of my favorite.
It's hilarious productions thathas ever been manufactured.
So, oh my god, we're gonna belike the grappling version of
that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
The grappling version of that because you know
everyone likes watching a goodtechnical fight in the ufc or
boxing or whatever from time totime.
But let's be real, people wantto see some fucking chaos.
They want to see two people,maybe if they're a little less
polished and they're just gonnathrow down.
That's kind of why I was likethe old UFC era was awesome
because there was a lot morelike heart in it and like a lot

(01:07:49):
of these guys are getting offthe couch.
They're former grapplers.
They never grappled there.
It's literally just way more ofa war and that's why it's
wrestling wars.
I'm like fuck it, dude.
Every guy who went to war wasnot a elite, fucking mercenary
soldier.
Sometimes the farmer picked upthe pitchfork and the peasant
was handed some armor and he wasout there too.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
That's war bro, this is a good idea.
Greco Roman wrestling is back.
What's that?
One called?
Not Placo, whatever it's like amore even traditional style of
like olympia, olympics stylewrestling that's coming back
with the vengeance.
I'm seeing sumo is getting morepopular.
Uh, I'm seeing all thesetraditional styles also getting

(01:08:30):
their fair shake.
These days.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
You trying to get a a competition of just wrestling,
so like no striking yep no otherthan until we have this uh
weapon one, that'll be the firststriking and I don't really
plan to put on boxing or mmafights, because those there's
plenty of avenues to do thattype of stuff and I don't know,
the commissioning involved isprobably a little different and
but yeah, we're gonna have thefoam weapon fight.
Somebody might get a bloodynose from a foam weapon, they'll

(01:08:54):
be okay yeah, so I like thisthough.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
so it's just different wrestling styles and
grappling styles.
No, striking, at least for theforeseeable future, for a little
bit, and it's just to see whichstyle of traditional wrestling
is on top.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Yep, and if you're good enough to beat somebody
across all the disciplines, bewell-rounded.
So BJJ is not allowed.
Oh, no, we're not doingjiu-jitsu.
Even though I am a jiu-jitsublack belt and I've done
jiu-jitsu and martial arts foryears, I've always, always had a
problem with like going back towhat we were kind of talking
about before.
There's so many things that arejust like Masonic or culty in

(01:09:31):
the way that they're set up andlike jiu-j jujitsu I mean it has
direct ties to masonry, yeah,no, and like the belt systems
and the cult worship.
And you know, like I'veexperienced a lot of the
negative sides of it, so I neverreally cared for that or put a
lot of weight behind it.
And again, there's so muchavenues to do jujitsu
tournaments and it's sooversaturated and like I went
back to my wrestling roots forthat reason, like I had done

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nothing but jujitsu for yearsand I love it.
It's a great art.
It definitely made me thegrappler I am.
I still teach jiu jitsu classes, I still roll jiu jitsu all the
time, but wrestling is just,it's a different spirit, man,
and the spirit of this isdefinitely not jiu jitsu even
like asian jiu jitsu, notbrazilian jiu jitsu that came
about in the last century.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
We're talking even the traditional, that's out too.
We're talking strictly europeantraditional wrestling styles I
mean pretty much, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
But uh, what I like about these two is they're
they're more decisive, likeuntil the weapon thing too,
which is kind of just like asideshow and I could probably
rework it too.
There are no points in any ofthe matches that we're doing,
like the collar and elbow, theback hold, or like, say, belt
wrestling or sumo.
It's very decisive.
Like, okay, do this objective,you win.
Get the guy on the ground, youwin.

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Push him out of the circle, youwin.
Not like, okay, you, you passedhis guard, you took him down,
you held him there, okay, points.
Or like even like the olympicstyles of wrestling, like, yeah,
they're great too, plenty ofavenues to do that.
But it's like you're scoringpoints a lot of times and that
dictates the tactics.
Or catch wrestling, okay, pinthem or submit them.
It kind of just like lets theaction take care of itself,
versus like, uh, points basedapproach.

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So, yeah, we're trying to keepit as close to like those primal
, very decisive wrestling stylesI don't want to throw arm
wrestling in the mix justbecause jujitsu so often has the
like stigma too of like, oh,dude, you're using too much
strength.
Like, uh, you need to usetechnique and leverage and like
yeah, of course but likestrength is like a backhanded
compliment in martial arts, sowe're like no fuck that you need
to be strong.

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We're throwing arm wrestling inthe mix and one of my boys is
like a legit good arm wrestler,so I want to put that in there
too I love this dude.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Are you guys gonna have some championship belts too
?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
yes, I'm definitely, uh, looking to get that going,
especially for tag team, and wehave crowned a champion and I
gave one a crappy little plasticWWE belt.
But oh yeah, all the goodthings to come, we're still
babies with it.
So that's why I'm saying anysponsors out there you want to
get in, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Jonathan, we simply must compete.
Yeah, if there's belts involved.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I would love to carry around the gold, bro.
I would fucking tote that thingeverywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
So I'll send you guys the events that we've done.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
If I ever won a wrestling championship or a
fucking UFC title.
I'm a huge wrestling fan and Ijust think that those belts are
so fucking sick and it's such apimp move to walk around with
one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
What's your favorite wwe belt of all time?
I'm a huge wrestling fan too myfavorite one of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
It's not pretty, but the hardcore title was the
mother that was a cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
You know they made that by smashing real titles and
like piece that together.
That's fucking cool that'sbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
I didn't know that, though.
Wow, they need to bring thatshit back, though.
Like there's no reason, thereisn't a hardcore title.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Yeah, I mean considering almost every match
is like a hardcore match.
Now it's like, yeah, why don'tyou have a title?
It doesn't make much sense.
I always was partial to the oldIntercontinental title,
especially like the white onethat Shawn Michaels would carry.
I always thought that waspretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Oh hell yeah, dude who's?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
got the one with the spinner, that was John.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Cena's WWE championship he changed it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I'm going to be straight up with you.
Look, I know that that's stupid, but for the sheer level of
like oh, I'm sorry, I can't hearyou over the sound of my
championship Just fucking spinthat bitch.
Just for the balls of it, Ihave to say that was probably my
favorite one.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Just for the balls of it, I have to say that was
probably my favorite one, Bro,you know what it was
disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
The Intercontinental title, though?
That's one of the prettiestbelts out there, Even the
current one is badass, isn'tthat Jake Paul's right now?
No, jake Paul has the UnitedStates Championship Continental.
Sammy Zane just beat fuckingGunta.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Sammy Zane.
Yeah, I don't know, I don'tagree with that Get the fuck out
of here with his bitch ass.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Me and my wife.
We love Sammy Zane.
You better watch your god damnmouth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Oh, what now that he's had his character Arc and
he's no longer rolling with thebloodline?
Now he's cool the fuck out ofhere.
He would still drop to hisknees For the tribal chief, if
he said so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Oh fuck, no, he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Oh, whatever, he's a great worker, he's, he's really
good in the ring.
I just, I don't know, I don'tknow if he was the guy to beat
him, you know, but hey, I meanhe deserves.
Yeah, he deserves.
I was hoping.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
I was hoping it was going to be.
What's his name?
The little guy um porn swaddle?
No, he's yeah, yeah, I washoping it was going to be him,
so that's unfortunate, but youknow they made a real good
spectacle of it at WrestleManiahim kissing his wife and his kid
before the match and thenseeing Kevin Owens before the
match, like that was like Idon't know as a pure wrestling

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fan like that was like plus, itwas in Philadelphia, so it's
like a Rocky moment almost.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
All right.
So if you guys were going totag team, we already got the
Louisiana animal.
What's your gimmick going to be, jonathan?
You going to come in as thehypnotist magician man?
That would be kind of sick sofunny story we actually just
posted.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
We've been starting to do this thing where we do the
throwback Thursday episodes andwe posted one yesterday and
well, today's Thursday, right,yeah yeah.
So we posted one today and Iwas listening back to that and
that was during the time that Iwas actually training to be a
professional wrestler.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Dude, I was going to say you were currently in.
That was dropped.
You were training to be a citypro wrestler.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Come on, we need you in wrestling wars.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
let's go yeah, yeah, I would love that shit.
Dude, I've been a wrestling fansince I was like four.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Dude, I'm telling you we're gonna make a conspiracy
division all the other dudeswithin our community that have
dabbled in wrestling and I'vehad this conversation with
conspiracy theorist division maxinclusivity, our own space you
and Sean would probably dobetter in a tag team.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Y'all are both bigger dudes.
I could be the hype man fory'all's team, but I would
definitely get down with theweapon side he's the weapon
champion.
He gets his own, you know mightbe the own tag team, for no
reason the third tag team.
Where did he come from?
It's like you know, my scrawnyass jumps in there and acts like
I'm gonna do something.
We'll make it fun, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
We'll make it fun dude, I would love to canadian
destroyer somebody any day likethat sounds like a sex move.
Oh, it's one of the mostdangerous moves in wrestling,
but like a fucking cincinnatisteamer or whatever and what was
the gimmick?

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
what's that?
When you were training toprepare, what was the gimmick?
Were you like getting yourcharacter ready?

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
yeah, yeah, I was definitely like we actually
trained as to, like how we wouldwalk down to the ring and what
our entrance music would be andif we were going to be faces or
heels and shit like that.
And I have always loved theidea of being a heel like,
because that's just you can doand say whatever the fuck you
want.
Like that's, the people lovethe heels, and I mean some heels

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, some people, some heels, likeyou know you're like whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
They're annoying.
Yeah, you're not even.
And um, I mean some heels, somepeople, some heels.
Like you know you're likewhatever annoying, yeah, you're
not even a good bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
You just suck and so um.
But I always love like the badgood guys, like stone cold and
fucking in certain areas and youknow the undertaker and chris
benoit and like they're like thetraditional chris jericho
whenever he was a heel.
It's like I always loved thatkind.
So I was actually gonna try andalmost be a lot more like, uh,

(01:17:01):
like, almost like a mix of ChrisJericho, uh, and Jeff Hardy,
but also adding the flair of youever seen you ever seen the
greatest showman, the flair of,the flair of like yeah, yeah,
what's his name?

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
um Wolverineine hugh jackman yeah, hugh, jackman,
yeah, and uh, wait, wait, nowyou lost me.
Now you lost me.
Hold on, you were trying to bechris jericho meets, who now?
Jeff hardy and you were tryingto do that in the realm of yeah,
so I liked.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I like jeff hardy's movies.
He's high flying and alwaysdoing the high risk maneuvers I
love jericho's fucking fuck youattitude and um, as far as the
greatest showman, it would justbe kind of cocky, almost like
kind of a similar get up to whatcody rhodes is kind of walking
out with now.
Um, it would just be, you know,because chris jericho, he had

(01:17:56):
this famous move called the liontamer and I just always I don't
know I I like that kind of shit.
So not really I wasn't tryingto be like the rock or john cena
or anything like that, like Ijust love the good mid cards and
that was always my favoritekind of wrestlers dude, I'm
gonna walk down that bitchwearing nothing but a fanny pack
and a banana hammock, like I'mabout to fuck something up.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Let's go, boys, let's go yeah dude, I've always
wanted to get a pro wrestlingmatch in, even just one.
I've done so much legitimategrappling and when I was little
I thought, for sure, oh, I'mgoing to be in the WWE one day
when I'm a pro wrestler.
That was just in my head when Iwas a kid.
And then, once I discovered MMAand got more serious about like

(01:18:37):
wrestling in high school andshit, I was like, oh okay, like
yeah, I'm gonna take the morecompetitive, serious route with
it.
But like, even though I'm kindof blending those two worlds
with what I'm doing, I do wantto do like a full-on stage
theatrical match, even if it wasjust like a one-time thing,
that would be a blast, dude ohdude, I mean wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
They're still taking real bumps like they go through
a table.
They're really going through atable.
When they get hit by a chair.
They're really getting hit by achair.
Now they're giving their back.
So you know it hits the meat.
But, dude, I'll tell you whatyou ever gotta take it?
Yeah, no you ever gotta choplike one of those slaps to the
chest, oh boy that don't that'lltake the wind out of you.

(01:19:15):
There's a lot of like crazywrestling moves and maneuvers
and all the shit they do like.
That's why they all get pissedwhenever you say it's fake.
It's like you like I was outfor like six months because I'd
have back surgery.
Like is that fake?
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
like this do you think that what stuntmen do is
fake?
Right, this is.
This is the same argument,right like yes, it's not fake,
yeah it's choreographed, right,but don't misunderstand these
wrestling dudes, these, thesehigh-flying guys.
This is a 38 year old man thatweighs 270 pounds of solid
muscle, that is doing cuttingtriple back flips and landing on

(01:19:52):
his back through a table fournights a week on repeat, year
after year after year, for likefour decades.
Like dude, you gotta at leastput some respect on the name,
you know?

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
yes, rock leonard did a fucking shooting star dude
like that's a big old fuckingalbino monkey bro.
He just climbed up to the topof the rope and did a shooting
star like broke his fucking necktoo, I think by doing that he
almost killed himself.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
He almost paralyzed himself.
No, seriously no doubt, tom.
I don't know if you've seen it,bro, but yeah, he fucking it
was at wrestlemania.
He was, I think he was.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Uh, it was curtis past weekend or long time ago?
No, a while ago, yeah, a longtime ago.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
He's never going to be in wwe again because he was
mentioned in the vince mcmahontexts.
Uh, bro, yeah, he played a.
Well, they didn't mention himby name, but what they said was
a former UFC champion.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Well yeah, who's it going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
We know it's not Cain Velasquez, right, this is the
only other guy it could be.
So yeah, he's kind ofostracized from WWE forever
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Well, it could be Ken Shamrock, right I?

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
suppose it could be, but I doubt it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Who's the big black dude?
It's Ronda Lashley.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Oh, bobby, lashley Lashley.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
He wasn't UFC, though .

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
He was Bellator.
What was he?

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
He fought in Bellator and Elite XC.
Thank you, I knew he was an MMAfighter, I didn't know which
league, but yeah, okay.
But yeah, this makes sense.
Is not like a novice to doingdangerous shit with his body and
putting his body through abuseand combat sports and all these
things?
That dude almost diedperforming a maneuver that was

(01:21:24):
choreographed and practiced andall this stuff.
So, yes, while wrestling may befake quote unquote it may be a
show.
The abuse of these dudes areputting their bodies through day
in and day out for years, evenfor the principle of
entertainment.
Same shit as a stuntman that'sbeen in the industry for 30
years.
You think they're okay.
At the end of it, when they'reready to retire, they are barely

(01:21:46):
moving, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
There has been people that have died in the ring.
Unfortunately, you can't seethem on YouTube.
Rey Mysterio was involved in amatch in Mexico with a guy that
got paralyzed and then he laterdied from those injuries.
The guy was in a positionalmost to receive a 619, and
something happened where helanded wrong man and it took

(01:22:08):
everybody involved in the matcha few seconds to realize like
dude wasn't moving.
Yeah, man, what they do is real.
It might be choreographed, asyou said, brother, but what they
do is real.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
It, you know, might be choreographed, as you said,
brother, but what they do isreal, man no doubt a lot of
these things are a lot of thesesports, a lot of these shows,
hell, even uh to to backhole andand then grip these types of
wrestling.
Yo, they're still danger in thatyou can still get seriously
hurt if you, if you got some guywho has no clue what he's doing
going up against somebody whois really good at throwing dudes
like he's about to get fuckingwrecked, oh yeah, well, and also

(01:22:42):
to, to kind of shift here, likehow we can bring it back to,
you know, the secret societiesand the government and all that
kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
It's like you know the, the people who are really
into wrestling, they're in it,they know that it's fake.
Like they know that it'sscripted, it's, they're in it
for the show and they show up anappreciation for you know the,
the acrobatics and the peoplewho are, who have the ability to
to get on a mic and just saywhatever they want and to have
it flow really well.
But like, if you really takethat mentality of your

(01:23:15):
understanding of wrestling, ifyou're like a wrestling fan, you
can use it really as an overlayto the rest of government,
society, secret societies, likethese people who are ruling the
world, all these talking headsKlaus Schwab, joe Biden, kamala
with her fucking cackling hyenaass, and like, like there are,
there are like quote unquote,faces and heels within this

(01:23:38):
whole thing.
And sure, right now a lot ofpeople might look at RFK Jr as a
face, you might look at DonaldTrump as a face, you might look
at Joe Biden as the heel, butlike, first off, joe Biden's not
even a good heel, he's like afucking heel you don't even want
to look at and it's like moreof somebody you kind of feel bad
for but you also want to makefun of at the same time more of

(01:23:58):
somebody you kind of feel badfor but you also want to make
fun of at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Um, but he reminds me of sammy zane when he was
rolling with the bloodlinethat's joe biden, right, but
exactly this is like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
We always say that you know whenever we're looking
into you know, uh, who can youtrust?
As far as the good guys go,just like in wrestling those,
those faces and those heels,they're all working under the
same brainink.
I like to use that analogy a lotright, right and like same
thing in government dude, thefucking left and the right, it's
the same bird.

(01:24:25):
Just like you said, jacob, andit's like you know.
You start to really understandthat like, oh, some people are
taking the fall for the otherperson to be propped up and you
see, it all the time.
Like you know, certain peoplewill, you know, kind of take a
shit and you know they mighthave been the shit at one point,

(01:24:45):
but now they're kind of likethey're paving the way for the
next generation, kind of deal,and that's unfortunate.
You know the government andeverything's all set up that way
, but like it's a fuckingbrotherhood, brotherhood dude,
whether you want to believe itor not, you could follow the
rabbit trail.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Honestly, look at uh, from 2001, 9-11 happened, we go
to war in afghanistan.
Which side of the aisle waspushing for more military
spending, more funding, more warprofiteering?
Boom, boom, boom.
That was the republicans like,by by a large margin.
Yes, there were some democratsthat got some kickbacks too,
don't get me wrong, but by alarge margin.
Yes, there were some Democratsthat got some kickbacks too,

(01:25:21):
don't get me wrong, but by alandslide.
The right was seen as thewarmongers for sure.
And how could they not be?
Dick Cheney vice president wasthe one.
I think he was the CEO at thattime of Halliburton, which was
getting all of the contractsthey would credit or drone
strike a building just soHalliburton could get the
contract to rebuild the building, so Dick Cheney could get money
.
And it was trickling down thatway.
Look at what was being saidthree weeks ago.

(01:25:43):
Who is in DC right now pushingfor us to go to war?
It is the left.
The warmongers, the war hawks,are all Democrats right now.
It is fucking insane.
And again to your point faces,heels, this that left, right, I
mean, look, we're using wordshere.
It doesn't matter, theirpaychecks come from the same

(01:26:06):
motherfucker.
That's all it boils down toWell.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Roddy Piper from they Live has even said that's like,
first off, that's my favoritemovie of all time, and he was
going on to say that it was adocumentary.
You know, like he was likethat's completely see how easy
it would be to manipulate awhole crowd and like instill a
certain story or narrative tothem.
So then, like when he justlooked at the broad picture of

(01:26:40):
the world, that's why he was theperfect fucking actor for that
movie and yeah, I wish he wasstill around.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
What a legend fucking right yeah, dude, I actually
you know what I don't think I'veever even seen the movie which
is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
I've seen like clips and stuff of it.
It's so corny.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Awesome, it's been years for me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
I need to rewatch it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Yeah, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
I love movies that are so bad.
They're good though.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
It is kind of corny bad, but that's a good part of
it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Fuck, yeah.
So one of my favorite movies ofall time is this movie called
Repo, the Genetic Opera.
Have y'all heard of it?

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
It.
Is you ever seen the movie Repowith Jude Law?
And basically they have to goin and repossess organs that
people get that they can'tafford anymore.
So think about that.
But way darker, way grittierit's in a rock opera and the big
sister from spy kids is thelead character.
Also, paris hilton gets herface cut off at the end of it

(01:27:41):
and her brother wears it as amask for himself and he takes
over the company.
It's a wild fucking experience,dude.
And uh, yeah, it is a horriblemovie.
The.
The production value in it istrash, but I love it so much and
if they would remake it withlike a five million dollar
budget, it would be the tits.
But yeah, it's.

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It's one of those that are likea cult classic because it's so
bad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah, I actually have the uh, the fucking video
pulled up for a dude which oneuh one, for they Live Because so
many people referenced this.
This is the trailer and so ifanybody hasn't seen it,
definitely go check it out.
I'm going to watch this today,if I can find it on Netflix or
Hulu or wherever it's at, butit's always referenced within

(01:28:28):
the conspiracy community almostlike a precursor to the Matrix,
in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
You know what I mean and yeah, it really is one of
the most 80s movies explosions,mullets, big hair dudes, hip
shooting, fully automatic m16sbecause that happens.
Ever fucking.
I'm here to chew bubble gum andkick ass and I'm all out of
bubble gum.
I have to re-watch this movienow, holy fuck yeah, so cliche,

(01:28:56):
just awesome on so many levels.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
And uh, I was gonna say they.
Apparently that movie was likea top performing in the box
office in its first week.
It was like one of the bestsellers of its time.
And then by the second or thirdweek it was out.
They had like already pulled itout or dropped the amount of
showings dramatically because itwas making people unsettled and
maybe ask questions that theyshouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Yeah, dude, and I almost look at, um, uh, like the
newer kind of style version ofthat, like the newer age with
the different kind of spin on it.
Have you guys seen that moviecalled free guy with Ryan
Reynolds?

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
No, it's the uh.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I've heard of it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
So fucking good dude, like it's such a good movie.
But basically, like thesepeople, they created this video
game with the hopes that thecharacters within the video game
they would like turn into likethey're essentially AI
characters, but then they startto gain like a consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
So a sentient NPC.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Basically, yeah, but instead of that movie, ryan
Reynolds notices that there arethere's, there's within the
video game.
There's the good guys and thebad guys, right, and, like a lot
of the people who arecommitting all these crimes
within their world, they're allwearing these sunglasses and
those, those people that arewearing the sunglasses.
Now, as soon as you put them on, you start to see all of the

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motivations, like all theagendas, all of the like you
know whenever you play likeGrand Theft Auto, there's like
checkpoints and things that youhave to do and you know where to
go and like you know, you puton the sunglasses and you
wouldn't see anything in thereal world.
But as soon as you put thesunglasses on, well, now there's
a health kit that as soon asyou go to pick it up now you're
full health again or you knowjust shit like that and it's

(01:30:39):
really cool.
But it reminds me you know umof this, they live and, uh,
really cool.
I highly suggest everybody goout there.
And plus, brian reynolds, Ifucking love that guy.
My heart would literally bebroken if I found out he was
part of the Illuminati.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
I'm hoping that he's not and he's just like this
overly ridiculously good lookingdude who made it in Hollywood
based off of that, like hedidn't have to suck no dick or
take it nowhere.
He didn't want to take it toget these roles.
I'm hoping and praying, man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, that would really suck if he is part of
that whole deal.
Like imagine if Diddy names himor he's on the Epstein flight
logs or something like that.
You'd be like, oh my.
God, I would lose faith inevery single person that I would
ever watch on TV.
If Ryan Reynolds is one of thebad guys, I'm like everybody.
Everybody has to be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
This is the way I felt when I found out about Tom
Hanks and when I found out aboutthese letters written from the
Boy Meets World cast that exactfeeling of like fuck everybody,
then.
It's like that from the topdown.
I'm not saying right now I'mnot going to make the bold
statement that 100% everybody inHollywood is a piece of shit.
I will make the claim that Ibelieve 95%.

(01:31:51):
I can honestly feel that in mysoul being an accurate number,
because here's the deal.
We just found out aboutWeinstein.
We just found out about BrianPeck and Dan Schneider who are
we going to be talking aboutnext year or in five years?
Some name that we didn't knowabout, but they've been in

(01:32:11):
Hollywood since the 80s andthey're super plugged in and
their list of people that theyhave had influence over, contact
with or some leverage overcomes out.
We are only finding out onethread of the fucking cashmere
sweater you feel me Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
I've honestly kind of looked at Adam Sandler as one
of those gatekeepers dude, likeeverybody that runs in his crew
and everybody wants to be a partof that.
What's the dude from?
Uh, leave it to beaver.
Uh, shooter mcgavin, right,like yeah, he's like you know, I
wish they would make a happygilmore, I would love to come
back as shooter mcgavin, buthe's like you know, I'm just not
a part of that crew,unfortunately, like you could

(01:32:48):
tell, he's like really sad aboutit and it's like these people
are willing to do anything to bepart of his crew.
But it makes you wonder, likewhat do you gotta do to be part
of that crew?
I'm not gonna sit here and, youknow, suggest anything one way
or another, because adam sandlerfavorite actor of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
But I could, I that would be understandable to me if
adam sandler was part of somesomething like that I see both
sides on this one and otherslike him right, because there's
been others in the past that,like, when they come up, they
bring their whole crew with them, right, and they make sure that
everybody's eaten.
I've heard that that's thesituation with Adam Sandler.
He came up and all of his crew,all of his comic buddies, all

(01:33:26):
of his you know his David Spadesand his fucking what's the guy
from Grandma's Boy and all theseyou know he brings his boys up
and he makes sure thateverybody's eaten and whenever
he like adopts a new one to hisclique, you'll notice they also
make appearances in like thenext three movies he does.
So I've heard an argumentsaying that the conspiracy

(01:33:55):
behind that is that youcultivate such a friend group
that, basically, even when youfail, it still looks great
because you were able todisplace that failure across so
many people that were good intheir own right.
Think of, uh, like jack andjill.
Okay, the argument for adamsandler on this one that was a
dog shit movie but he had.
So al pacino was fucking in it,you see what I'm saying and
like he had other people thatwere able to, while the premise
was dog shit, his role was shitand he knew it was.

(01:34:16):
He knew Adam Sandler knowsfunny dude.
He knew that was horrible, buthe fucking sent it anyway.
Why?
Because he made money off of itand because he had enough
people in the cast where itcould displace that shit to
where it at least be a netneutral.
So, the conspiracy being that,he has made it to where he's

(01:34:37):
almost impossible to fail now.
Then the other argument is thathe has, quote-unquote
cultivated this crew throughsome nefarious means that we
keep hearing about in thesedocumentaries.
I'm not saying one way oranother, but these are theories
that do get thrown out withsituations like this, and
there's been multiple examplesin hollywood of an actor making
it and his whole crew comes withhim, and it's a group like that
.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
There's tons of that is it possible that that could
have been the humiliation ritual?
I mean, think about it.
He was dressing up as a woman.
I don't know, dude, have you?

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
ever heard adam sandler stand up from back in
the day.
The humiliation ritual was longgone.
Have you heard the Hanukkahsong?
Do you remember the talkinggoat?
Like I?
loved it as a kid yeah, I'msaying Adam Sandler appearing in
a dress or like something likethat, like I'm sorry, how are
you gonna humiliate that?
He's a fucking stand-up comicthat roasts his own religion for

(01:35:28):
half of his set.
You know what I mean.
He's untouchable in that regardand I think that that's also a
saving grace.
Comics that do it that way andcome into it from the beginning.
They almost self-sabotagethemselves so much that they're
untouchable from the outsideworld the ones that do it right
oh yeah, well, I mean, but thenI don't know though because then

(01:35:51):
you have also like the KevinHart that, like try doing it
right Couldn't make it big, sohe had to do some ritual to get
to where he's at.
The argument would be that AdamSandler was good enough at it
to where he didn't need to do so.
He just successfully grew onhis own.
I don't know, I never met theman.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
I got one, I'd like to hear from all of you, if we
were going to divide uhcelebrities into like uh three
categories, that would be likethe most uh surprising to find
out they had like the highestrate of you know, like we're
saying, maybe not everybody, butmost of them or whatever.
Like which uh area do you thinkis uh the most uh corruptible

(01:36:28):
or and or the least?
Then like uh, they might havesome you know good insiders.
If we're going to go like uhmusicians, then uh actors and
actresses and then uh likesports stars, we will exclude
like the lower level, like youknow, practice squad or like
bench guys, but like the highestof the high of sports and stuff
.
So the athletes, the musiciansor the actors, which one's the

(01:36:52):
worst, which one's one's the thebest?
I guess this is the fuck marykill version of uh total
debauchery, uh kind of okay, andmaybe some good guys I think
you gotta look at it aseverything else follow the money
right, so who in thoseindustries makes the most?
so that's a good question.
I'm not even.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Right.
So, like in the music industry,the argument would be the
producers Right, they're theones that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
They're all rotten.
We know that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
These are like the foot soldiers.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Which troop is the worst or best?

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
So how far does that spread?
How many musicians or how manyrecord labels Are under this one
shithead?
I mean, dude, it's you want totalk about dirty Business?
It's all connected and it's gotjust because this one guy
that's a part of this production, the board of directors for
this one label or whatever, hemight be a shit head, but

(01:37:44):
everybody else might be good,but it doesn't matter because
he's still got like controllinginterest or some shit or like
ties to some family or ties tosome mafia and it's all dirty,
dirty sports industry.
Very old ties to the mafia,very, very old ties to old money
, before like gambling laws wereput in place.
So when we're talking aboutwho's got, pull over there, like

(01:38:05):
you would say, the team ownersand stuff like that.
But man, I don't even knowhonestly, because the owner of
the team is only as good or aswealthy or as powerful as his
team is popular right, you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Like the most popular team right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
The Yankees are going to be a dynasty for forever
just because of the fuckingYankees, and Yankees fans suck
their dick so hard that theydon't know any other way.
Cowboys fans very similar like.
Their fan base is etched instone forever, period.
You know what I mean.
It doesn't matter if they wonthe Super Bowl this year or not.
The owner of the Cowboys holdssome fucking power with the NFL.

(01:38:43):
You see what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I think it's ultimately what's the most
believable money launderingasset, because you think about
it.
So, for example, there is aquarterback for the Cleveland
Browns, deshaun Watson, used tobe the quarterback for the
Houston Texans until he gotcaught up in all the massages in
Houston and with quotations forthe listeners, right.

(01:39:05):
But he went through all kind oftrouble.
He was out of football for likea year and a half a half and
then the, the owner of thecleveland browns, brings deshaun
watson over for the highestguaranteed money contract in nfl
history at the time, which wasguaranteed he could break his
fucking back on the first playand he's guaranteed 230 million

(01:39:28):
dollars.
Sir, 230 fucking.
That's a quarter of a billiondollars that you're bringing
over for for a convicted well,allegedly convicted, you know.
Uh, rapist, like serial rapist.
We're not talking about one ortwo people, we're talking about
20, 30 different women, um, andhe hasn't played the same.
He sucked ever since he gotthere, but he's guaranteed that

(01:39:49):
money.
He don't care, hey, if he gotlike a, you know, a hangnail.
Hey, you know, I'm not gonna,really, I not, I'm not really
feeling it today.
He's guaranteed that money,doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
And so who benefits from him being on the roster
right?
Who gets paid by him being onthe field that day?

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
So here's the deal.
Before all that, deshaun Watsonwas a big household name.
He was getting, he was puttingasses in seats.
Houston sucked ass.
The texans were horribleliterally until he got there.
They were always horrible.
And then he gets there and he'sone of the you know, one of the
great quarterbacks who can usehis legs and also chuck it like
80 yards down the field.
Very likable guy, seemingly um,clean cut and everything you

(01:40:29):
know.
And uh, then he went throughall that.
I suggest, possibly, that thecle Cleveland Browns are trying
to figure out some kind of wayto launder money because, let's
just face it, nobody wants to bein fucking Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Why the Browns Hold on.
We're talking about the Texans.
Why did the Browns just comeout of fucking?
You know what I'm saying, whatjust happened?

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
The Texans released him and nobody wanted to pick
him up because of all theallegations.
But the Browns not only broughthim to their team, but they
gave him the highest guaranteedcontract in history.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
He's with the Browns now.
Okay, so they're looking forways of laundering money because
no one wants to play there Gotyou Right, nobody wants to go to
Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
I mean being realistic.
That's probably why JohnnyMenzel became even more addicted
to drugs than he already was,and it's, and it's just like
it's.
It's such a gloomy place, bros.
Cleveland I've been there.
It's, it's like, it's not great, and I'm I'm sorry for all the
people who live in cleveland,but you probably agree with me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Um, holy shit, love you cleveland, all of our
cleveland cult members andeverything but like, yeah,
you're from a bullshit stateright, right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
So so I suggest that the owner of the cleveland
browns probably went up todeshaun watson, said look, we're
going to if you you gottaimagine these people are
probably great at all the taxloopholes and everything like
that.
He probably went up to deshaunwatson was just like look, we're
gonna give you a massivecontract, but because nobody
else wanted to sign you andnobody really wanted the stink

(01:41:55):
that you brought to that team inorder, and you've been out of
football for a year and a half,who knows if you even got it
anymore we're going to make itlook like we really still
believe in you.
We're going to make it looklike we actually care about you.
We're interested in rehabbingyou.
We're interested in turning youinto a blossoming citizen of
the United States who is a greattaxpayer and all these things
right.
But meanwhile they only broughthim over for name recognition.

(01:42:17):
They brought him over because,well, it makes sense to kind of
give a guy of that athleticability that kind of money.
At one point in time some peoplewere saying, oh dude, this guy
is like the fucking MichaelJordan of quarterbacks and so it
would make sense to laundermoney through him.
Meanwhile he's just going tokeep his mouth shut, because the
Browns are probably like look,we know that you weren't exactly

(01:42:38):
convicted of these things, butwe're going to do all of the
everything we can, with all ofour lawyers, to try and make it
seem like you didn't do that,but we actually have the proof
and so they kind of.
I believe that they probablycornered his ass and said we got
you, you're going to play forus and we're probably going to
give you league minimum, butwe're going to say that we're
giving you fucking, you know themaximum contract in order to
launder money.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
So hold on.
My question is where do theyget the money to launder?
It's not like the Browns arerolling in it.
They're failing as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Oh dude, every.
No, they're not failing as ateam, but every owner of all the
owners of these NFL franchisesthey're billionaires, bro, like
all the merchandise and thetickets and the ad space on TV
and all these things.
They make shit loads of moneyregardless, and why not?

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Colin Kaepernick, then.
So I'm gonna do, I'm putting ona tinfoil hat here, I'm gonna
throw a little stick in the mudhere.
If it was for the namerecognition and for the ooh and
the ah of it and somebody withclear athletic ability and all
these things, why didn't they dothis for Colin Kaepernick a
couple of years ago, or evenlike two or three years ago?
That's still like if a teamsigned him right now, it would

(01:43:45):
still make headlines.
People would not stop talkingabout that right now.
So if it was for that, whywouldn't any team just do that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I, why wouldn't any team just do that?
I mean people, if you wouldsign tim tebow, you wouldn't be
able to get the paparazzi awayfrom you.
He's not really a greatquarterback.
You know he has heart.
Good guy, you want a life, youwant to like him, right, but
he's not really great.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Yeah he kind of he peaked in college, that's for
sure oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Yeah, I mean, he got to give him credit.
He did beat my steelers in theplayoffs one year and that was
really heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
But but, that being said, I'm going to withhold
comment because I don't want topiss you off.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Colin Kaepernick and I know this, I might be stepping
on some toes whenever I saythis, but this is just my
opinion.
Colin Kaepernick was ass hislast year or two in the NFL
before he started doing all thatshit.
That's true.
He didn't start kneeling untilhe was benched, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
That's right, he was already kind of dog shit.
He tried making it seem like hewas some star athlete and like
he was good now, but nobodywanted him because it wasn't
like he was even good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Okay, I remember now, yeah you're not going to bring
over the clown show for verylittle return and honestly it's
such a polarizing thing, youknow, because it got political
right.
What Deshaun watson did I meaneverybody can collectively say
that we hate rapists, right, butlike it didn't make as big of a
splash in the news like hollykopernick taking a knee during
that national anthem and so um,it should have, but it didn't it

(01:45:06):
all got blown out of control.
I think.
I think they were just doing itfor clicks and views.
To be honest with you, didn't?
Women's?

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
basketball just do something similar.
Didn't they just walk off thecourt or something for the
national anthem?

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
I heard something in lsu women's basketball did that
and they ended up getting theirass whipped in that game well,
good, I'm an lsu fan, but I meanalso who the fuck cares about
women's sports, am I right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
but like, fuck you, yo get the fuck out of here with
this shit.
Like, yeah, you know some real,real shit.
If anybody's like bullshit,would you rather find $5 on the
ground or have your local WNBAteam win the national
championship?
I bet most of the listenersdon't even know if you have a
WNBA team in your fucking state.
That's my point.
So are you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
kind of thinking that the athletes then are some of
the easiest targets then for thepowers that be to kind of
corrupt.
Then Cause I'm thinking, I'mthinking actors might be some of
the best, because literallythey're actors Like they're
already masters, it's selling usthe show, like that's why I can
be like what, not this guy?
Like I love this guy's roles,like he wouldn't do this
terrible shit, but then againmost of what we know from

(01:46:09):
outside of the fucking screen isjust another act as well.
So like I feel like a lot ofthe actors are uh pretty deep in
it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Hey look, we all love leo dicaprio, right?
But he's been an actor since hewas a little kid.
Bro, let's just be the video ofhim and brian peck, dog yep,
yep.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
And, as a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken,
wasn't that on the set ofgrowing pains?
Because leo dicaprio made anappearance in that show for a
season or two?
Brian Peck was friends withfucking Alan Thicke, tv dad off
of Growing Pains, I don't know.
I'm just saying their big thingis their next role, right?
If they have a movie that killsor even does just generally

(01:46:46):
well, and they were just asupporting role.
They weren't even the lead.
We're talking just a commercialactor, especially what's that?
One blonde woman that's on likeevery single commercial.
She's like the mom in everyproduct commercial ever Blonde
woman.
She played on Step Brothers, asa matter of fact, she conducted
the interview where she toldhim to get out of her office.
It was that lady.
I don't know her name, butthere's roles like that, where

(01:47:08):
it's like a personality, wherethey're just constantly looking
for more work.
Okay, they're just constantlylooking for more work.
Okay, they're not looking toget their name in light
somewhere, they're just tryingto make that money.
Then it gets messy about whatdo you do in order to make
yourself more marketable quote,unquote so that you get cast for
more of these small roles, butthese small roles still put 20 K

(01:47:28):
in your bank account.
It gets really messy.
And again you follow the moneyand it's.
It's the same concept, butdifferent avenues of approach,
you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
They they got everyone covered too, for the
most part.
Like you might not like music,you're more of a movie person.
You're not really a movieperson, you're a sports person.
So they really got like all thegrounds covered.
If they're trying to hit uswith their uh, foot soldiers to
send their message and stuff,and Mike, what do you think then
Actors, musicians or athletes,who's the most useful foot

(01:48:01):
soldier for the shadow powersthat be?

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
I think athletes.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I lied, Ithink actors, because I think
they're psychopaths to beginwith.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
They're already dealing with split personality
exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
They don't know who the fuck they are.
Actors are some of the most,and of course, when I say actors
I'm not talking about all ofthem, as we all know, but the
vast majority of them, I believe, are head cases, you know,
especially the really good ones.
Man doesn't mean they're badpeople.
My favorite musicians arefucking dope fiends.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
Fair it's definitely got a lot of mental abuse on all
of those, like the musicianshorror stories coming up, the
actors horror stories of justgetting like mk ultra trauma
coming up, and I'm sure athletesare like no different, like
ryan garcia was kind of alludingto that as well, and to kind of
bring it full circle, that'show you wonder, like is like, is
it all of them?

(01:48:54):
Is literally every one of them,even the ones pretending to be
against it, just turn and heel,turn and face and they're just
playing their role and nobody isallowed to get within these
ranks unless they did one way oranother.
Pay their dues.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
I think it's ultimately about who can
generate the most influence,who's the most likable people or
, commercially, who's the mosthateable people.
Anytime you get like a you knowa good villain on tv, a lot of
times those, if it's a greatvillain, dude, they're gonna get
so many roles and they're gonnasell right, right like it's.
It's all about what can you makethem believe?

(01:49:27):
And if they believed you inthat movie, they'll believe your
propaganda bullshit that you'repushing.
I mean just before, just before, you know, whenever Trump was
facing Hillary back in 2016,every Avenger did a Hillary
Clinton commercial.
Don't vote for him.
He's a man.
Don't vote for Trump.
And it's like you fucking cock,piece of shit.

(01:49:48):
Like, how much did you get paidfor this?
Like Robert Downey Jr, chrisEvans, black Widow what's her
name?
Don Cheadle was in it.
Don cheetle, yeah, and uh, thehulk which, um, you know, I
don't really like him anywayruffalo mark ruffalo.
Yeah, yeah, um, uh, natalie, whoam I thinking of?
What's black widow's?
name harley john hansen harley,john hansen, right, and they all

(01:50:10):
did it.
And you know, and it wasn'tjust them, it was all the big
name actors, they were alljumping on board.
So you see that they only pushthese people up because they
have influence.
Oh, iron man voting for hillary, I guess.
So I know who I'm voting for.
Because these, they prey onpeople who don't know any better
.
They prey on people who thinkthat these people that they see

(01:50:31):
on tv are actually that's theirpersonality.
People don't know how toseparate real life from fiction,
and so they have found a way toreally make that bleed over and
influence politics.
Influence, you know, laws thatget passed and you know Roe v
Wade and how many, how manyactors you know went in on that.
These people, they don'tfucking have a clue about shit.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
They know that they don't have a clue about shit,
but they have that influence andyou're used to seeing that face
, so that's what counts, right.
And it's always so hilariouslyinsincere.
And I got a question for youguys uh, how many episodes do
you guys now?

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
uh, we're approaching 500.
I don't know awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
This will be episode 465, or 466, I think, and uh,
okay about what episode countdid it take until people were
calling you guys shills orinsiders or double agents or
whatever?
How long did it take for thatthat you guys were?
You know they're part of it wehaven't had any really yet we
have a couple of prolific haters.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
we have, like we have like three or four haters that
like go out of their way to likelet us know that they hate us,
which is fine.
But as far as like gettingcalled up like part of the
counter ops or some shit likethat, so far, so good.
I'm actually looking forward tothe day that happens.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
I know that's funny.
That's I mean having been a fanof your guys's show, though
I've seen no reason to havethought that.
But that just comes with theterritory exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Your haters?
Are they?
I won't ask for names, but arethey involved in the conspiracy
community?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
They hide behind pseudonyms Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
So we have a few that like they'll drop one star
review and leave like a commentWe'll never hear from this
person again.
There's somebody that checkedout the show, didn't fuck with
it.
Let us know why.
I'm bolted and I don't callthat a hater, if anything.
That's just that's.
That's freedom of speech.
You know?
I'm saying do you?
If you don't fuck with us,that's dope.
I'm sure there's someone outthere you do fuck with.
But there's a few people notjust off of reviews, but like

(01:52:28):
they dm and they like try tospread shit.
They, as far as we know, arenot like haters from within the
conspiracy community.
They're haters that hate usspecifically because of
personality traits and thingslike that right, there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
I mean I've been called out for for dumb shit.
You've been called out for dumbshit.
Some people love the showbecause of me and some people
love the show because of you andlike that's.
That's great too.
But, like you know, you getsome people who are literally
professional haters.
They actually don't even hateus, they just love talking shit
yeah sure you know that's I mean.
I see it.
You know you want to be a heel.

(01:53:07):
You'd be a heel dude anyattention is good.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Right, that's the thing, dude.
Any algorithm hit one star,five star, good review, bad
review.
Well, a play that they did likeor a play that they didn't like
, bro, either way it goes, thealgorithm saw the hit.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
It doesn't matter we, we're happy as fuck, either way
it goes that's why you gotta dosome sneaky uh trail sun and
stuff and mispronounce a name onpurpose every single video, so
the comments will just floodlike hey, you know you said this
wrong, like, but it's stillcomments in the end, which draws
attention to the video andshows it's getting engagement
little trick of the trade, baby.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
That's something that it sounds so stupid.
Oh, you're manipulating people.
Look, say what you want.
It worked and he's getting paidfor it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
So you know they're suckers, sorry well, this has
been great, you guys.
It's uh been a long time coming.
Definitely hope to do it again.
Awesome, awesome collaboration,swapcast, stoked to do it
anytime really.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
How can our listeners get a hold of you guys or get
in touch with your guys' content?

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
So obviously we are the Cult of Conspiracy Podcast.
We're available on all podcastplatforms everywhere.
We are on Instagram atcultofconspiracypodcast.
We're on Patreon at patreoncom.
Slash, cult of conspiracypodcast.
Jacob runs the x account and um, we also have rockfin.
So if you're somebody who is onrockfin, it's rockfincom.

(01:54:28):
Slash, cult of conspiracy andum, yeah, that's.
That's pretty much it for us.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
The cult of conspiracy guys.
I'm Mike and I'm Tom Shit well,it was gracious of them to make
time, though, for us, becauseas it stands, with some
shuffling around, they're goingto be the 25th episode.
So only having 25 episodes inthis podcast to have those guys
on the show kind of a big coup.

(01:54:54):
And that's all you're doing,dude, Good job.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
Fuck, yeah, I've been on those guys' show.
They're super cool.
I know you and I are both fans.
I'm sure anyone who's listeningto us had listened to them
before we were a show, you know.
So probably plenty of crossoveraudience.
Very cool to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Hope to work with those guys a lot more in
multiple ways For us being sucha new show, we're coming in
swinging with some of the guestswe've had.
We had one swing and miss, butthey don't know about that, so
they don't need to know aboutthat.
It was weird.
It wasn't like I thought itwould be.
It was without revealing toomuch.

(01:55:34):
We'll put it on our Patreoneventually for some of you
syndicate members to listen toin its entirety.
But essentially, the guest wasan expert in addiction and
instead of us kind ofinterviewing him and having a
conversation with him and kindof controlling the conversation
and where it went, interrogatedMike, that's all it was.

(01:56:01):
It was a fucking interrogationfor an hour, you know.
So yeah, like I said, maybesome of you syndicate members
can get a peep of that, butother than that, it's probably
just gonna fucking sit and siton one of my hard drives and
just fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
You know just age uh, one thing I've seen we finally
have gotten some messages fromsome listeners, so keep it going
.
Good stuff.
People have reached out afterhearing us in the cult of
conspiracy, crossover or justfrom our other episodes, they've
been getting some traction orviews on youtube and stuff yeah,

(01:56:32):
youtube especially.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
I see that we get new subscribers pretty regularly
now and every now and then acouple times a week at least
we'll get comments on there, sothat's pretty cool.
Keep the comments on YouTube.
That's one way to engage withus.
You can also hit us up onsocial media Subbuck Mike and
Headhunter Higgins, whether it'sInstagram or ex Twitter that's

(01:56:56):
more of my groove Instagram,kind of Tom's got that on lock.
And of course, the podcast goesas two truth seekers.
So you could do that.
You can shoot us an email,conspiracyandchillcom, all those
different ways.
You could support the show byclicking on the little support
the show link.
On whatever platform you'relistening to us on, you can, as
I said earlier, you can becomeone of the very first Conspiracy

(01:57:18):
and Chill Syndicate members byheading over to Patreon.
There's a link in the bio andthe show notes.
If you wanted to help us outand you didn't want to do any of
those things, you could alwaysjust hit us with a five-star
review.
Those really do help and wereally have noticed you guys
doing that.
So thank you, thank you, fuckyou bye.
That's Jim Cornette.

(01:57:41):
He's one of my favoritewrestling podcast guys to listen
to.
Do you remember Jim Cornettefrom like the 80s and early 90s
WWE.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
And he's on all the behind-the-mat and stuff, shit
like that, like like that behindthe scenes like documentaries
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Oh, yeah, he's been in a ton and he actually there's
a show on Vice and it's calledDark Side of the Ring and it's
really good.
Even if you don't likewrestling, I mean, it's real.
Yeah, I've watched some ofthose and he is a frequent
contributor to that show.
Jim Cornett's amazing, amazing.
I don't like when he getspolitical I tune out fast

(01:58:16):
forward because I don't, I'm notlistening to you, jim cornett,
for your fucking politics,because he is a raging democrat.
Not that there's anything wrongwith democrats I am not one,
I'm not a republican either, buthe just I feel like, hey,
people are there for yourwrestling, so don't, you know,

(01:58:39):
don't, I don't know, don't, usethat platform to spew your
fucking political opinions.
That's just.
That's just how I feel like ifwe ever got to a point, dude,
where we were doing crazyamounts of of downloads, I
wouldn't, I wouldn't take thatopportunity and I wouldn't use
that platform to spew my ownpersonal political views to my

(01:59:02):
audience.
I don't know, I feel that'skind of dirty.

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
I mean, are we doing that by trying to influence the
minds of the viewers, byquestioning everything and
bringing on all these crazythings?

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Are we brainwashing them?
The thing is with with us.
It's like you know, I don'tknow, like we're just, we're
just having conversations.
We're not.
You know, we're not telling ouraudience.
Hey man, you know, these peopleare right, these people are
wrong, these people are full ofshit and I can't you know if you
support this person.
You're a fucking lunatic too.
It's like you know, we're justexploring different ideas.

(01:59:36):
I think there's a bigdifference between you know what
I'm saying between the two.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
I said figure yeah, I know I'm just fucking around a
little bit.
I uh, I agree, and I have myyoutube channel, which is I
don't have anything like this onmy youtube channel.
Really, my youtube channel isall martial arts and grappling
and stuff like that.
I just try to keep it separatefor kind of the reason you said.
If someone's there to watch mywrestling stuff and my grappling

(02:00:01):
stuff, yeah, maybe they wouldlike both sides.
But we have this podcast, wehave our YouTube podcast.
I don't have to put all thosebeliefs out there for everybody.
That doesn't need to see it, Iguess.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Yeah, I mean it would be like you know, like you said
, it'd be like people tuninginto a wrestling show that you
were doing solely you knowwrestling.
They were watching tuning in towatch you work out or wrestle
and all of a sudden you justtake, you know, stop for 30
seconds and just spew your ownpersonal political ideas and
anybody that opposes yours arefucking retards.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
It's like that's not it.
Yeah, that's called just beinga talk show host.
Nowadays, that's what you need.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Exactly, you got nothing else.
Nope, all right, stay away frompedophiles.
Thank you, bye.

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