30 | Matt Slap | 5G, The Occult, and Time Travel | "I could Tell You But Are You Gonna Believe Me" - Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

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"$awbuck" Mike (00:01):
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.

"Headhunter" Higg (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.
Your consciousness does notneed your physical body to
survive.
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.

It's the coding that projects this world we
currently live in.
I want you to read the Bible.

"Headhunter" Higgins (00:19):
We got reptilians just outside of our
frequency zone.

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race
.
Ideas are the highest form ofintelligence, and that leads you
to truth and clarity.
The Nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.
Conspiracy show.
It's obvious the aliens aregod-fearing, insanely huge, or
just one planet, they would haveneeded a minimum of six feet of
lead shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of

(00:43):
nl and radiation belt this isreal.

Matt Slap (00:45):
They really did fake the moon.

The world is infinitely older than that and I
mean the world with humanbeings in it, skull and bones,
is like one of the villains inthe legion of doom, they said.

Matt Slap (00:57):
I'll let you read the bible the biblical flood, the
tartaria mud flood conspiracyand chill the nephilim sightings
are going to start soon.
The bulldog ball.
I don't want you to read thebible.
There's magnets in thebasketballs.
There was a political party, athird party called the
anti-masonic party, at a pointin uh, in the united states, the
global pandemic treatyconspiracy and chill podcast

(01:18):
returning guest artistresearcher.

Conspiracy and Chill Podcast Returning guest
artist researcher.
He is the amazing artistresponsible for our artwork that
gets complimented nearly everysingle podcast we do.
Of course, we're talking aboutthe one and only Mr Matt.
Motherfucking.

(01:39):
Slap.
What's going on, dude?

Nothing much.

Matt Slap (01:42):
Just hanging out About to have a great
conversation, just like lasttime.

Oh yeah, it's funny.
I sent it to a couple of myhomeboys and they were like man,
it just sounds like aconversation that we always have
.
I'm like yeah.

Matt Slap (01:56):
It's always chill vibes here.

Oh yeah, Absolutely.

Matt Slap (01:59):
And deep dives.

Pumped that everybody likes the logo.

Oh, dude, pumped that.
Everybody likes the logo.
Oh dude, yeah, it's uh.
Are you familiar with the uhcult of conspiracy?

guys, the podcast that they do?
Is that the ones?

uh, you just had them on yeah, yeah, we did like
a swap cast with them.
They're pretty big in the uh,in the genre and yeah, they,
yeah, they just fucking weregoogling all over their uh, all
over our artwork.
We're like, yeah, dude, thisdude matt did it.
He's fucking amazing we'rehaving back on and, yeah, dude,
we love it.
We couldn't be more happierwith it, dude I'm pumped, I mean
right away.

That's the thing is like as an artist,
like when you send something offit's like, well, I'm really
cool with this, but how are youknow the client's gonna be?
Luckily I haven't had too manyclients over the years where
it's just revision afterrevision after revision, when I
can get like oh, yep this isperfect.

(02:55):
No, nothing, I'm like awesome.

Matt Slap (02:58):
Hell yeah, dude.
I think it impacted our growthas a show too.
Just having a sick picture, itgoes along with that.
You're already a guest, so youknew the vibe of the show oh,
yeah, yeah I really enjoyed thatepisode you had the uh that
podcast on.

They were talking about a bunch of books
that I've read, um, that philipcooper dude and whatnot, and
they were totally right on him.
A lot of his books focus onjust guided meditation.
I mean, that's all ritual is?
It's a focused meditation ofwhat are you going to do with
your mind, what do you want?

(03:34):
What do you want to achieve?
How much energy do you want toput towards it?
How are you going to accomplishsomething?

Matt Slap (03:39):
When you do some of your paintings or sculptures or
drawings, how does it come aboutin your head?
I've always I mean, I'm notthat good at drawing, but I do
enjoy doing it but I alwayswanted to know other people's
thought process.
Do you like see the picture inyour head, or it kind of evolves
as you're drawing it, or what?
Good question.

Well, the initial idea in my head.
You know, you start justdrawing shapes and filling.
You look at the, the, yourplane, and then you start
filling in that plane of objects, of however you want it, and
you want to make it move andflow in that space and and make

(04:18):
it visually pleasing and catchpeople's attention.
So usually it just starts offwith all right, well, I kind of
want to do doing this, and thenI start researching poses or
take pictures of friends or belike hey hold on, hold this and
do this and just stuff like that, or and I like to call that
doing your homework.
You know, like you got to doyour homework, you got to go

(04:40):
research, look at pictures, aton of pictures, until you find
something you're like okay, cool, I, I've got enough to to grasp
where I'm gonna turn it into myown yeah, there's no limit on
growing as an artist or likedirections.

Matt Slap (04:55):
You could take it in and stuff like that.
It's pretty sweet and you playguitar too, you know.
Have you ever thought aboutmaking a comic book?

because I can picture your art in a badass
comic I want to do a cartoonshow, and I've always wanted to
do a cartoon show and it's funnytoo, because, like I was in art
school from like 2004 to 2006and I I dropped out, I left I
was on academic probation, Iwent to Japan this is how the

(05:27):
story of slap ass came about wasI didn't want to do I was
failing math, I was failing shitthat I was like I don't need to
know this shit to animate, likeI don't the math that I had to
do.
I was like no, I don't want todo this.
And then I was on academicprobation.
I was kind of like in thatweird limbo, like what are you

(05:48):
going to do?
You're going to go to school,what do you want to do?
It's like I kind of want tostart this company.
And at the time it was like Iwant to make a skateboard
company.
And then my brother got married.
We went to Japan for hiswedding and I was talking with
my whole family and I rememberwe were sitting in this boat in
like a fishing boat that was.
They built around so likeeverybody's sitting in this

(06:10):
fishing boat, that they turnedinto a table like cool area, and
I was pitching this idea to mydad, my uncle, about, um, you
know, oh, I want to start thiscompany called slap ass and I
want to be, you know, a shirtcompany or like skateboard
clothing company.
And then I just kind ofexplained what I want to be.
You know, a shirt company orlike skateboard clothing company
.
And then I just kind ofexplained what I wanted to do,
told my dad, told my or told myuncle.

(06:30):
And then, like the next morning,in the hotel lobby, he's like
man, I couldn't go to sleep lastnight.
He gave me like three pages ofthings.
He's like, yeah, but it doesn'tsound like a clothing company,
it sounds like more of an artcompany.
You should add creations to it.
And I was like you're right,let's do that.
And and then, um, I came backto the states and was like cool,

(06:51):
I'm not going back to artschool, I'm just going to work
full time and I'm going to savemoney for my first batch of
shirts and just kind of go fromthere and then that's it.
And then I started making itand doing you know, getting my
own press and doing all thatkind of stuff.
And uh, you know it's still outof my garage.
It's always been in some sortof garage.
I'm just in my third garage now, so you're in a garage right

(07:14):
now right now I'm inmy basement gotcha where my
press and all like you can getdirty and spray paint and do all
that kind of stuff.
But the basement's like thestudio studio area where you
know you can do dirty and spraypaint and do all that kind of
stuff.
But the basement's like thestudio studio area where you
know you can do digital art herein the computer station, go
back here, draw, set updifferent camera angles for

(07:36):
different video, time-lapsevideos, art and whatnot.
So I'm going to be doing a lotmore of that and yeah, love it,
man.

Matt Slap (07:46):
Mike, what do you think is your?
Well, I already know before Iwas gonna answer it photography
and videography.
But what else do you draw?
Do you fuck with anyinstruments ever?

um no, I uh I remember you said bass yeah,
when I was like seventh, eighthgrade, which was a long long
time ago, um, yeah, I had anibanez.
I'm left-handed, so I had anibanez, a left-handed five
string.
I think it was a, um, like ansg 350 or something like that.
I forget how, how, what it was,but uh, yeah, I fucked around

(08:16):
with that for a couple of years.
I thought I was gonna be, youknow, in a fucking metal band,
but, um, yeah, I gave that uppretty quickly.
So, yeah, I'm always fascinatedwith the artistic process,
though, because I fancy myselfan artist and, like you said,
photography, videography, but uh, never been good with, like,
drawing or anything.
And obviously I like tattoosand I've always been fascinated

(08:39):
by that whole process.
You know, like, whenever,whenever I go to get a tattoo,
I'm always like, okay, this iswhat I want, but like, you do
everything, like whatever youthink is gonna look good, you do
, you're the expert, and Ialways just let him go because I
think that's, that's, you gottalet them create, you know oh
yeah, that did that with.

So, like my one, my one arm is all.
This is my idea, but I want youto do it your way and then the
other arm is all mine, like Idrew the whole thing and they
just they stuck it Pretty sick.

Matt Slap (09:16):
I mean, artists are always weirdos, so I don't know,
do you feel like?
Do you guys feel like ideas areindividual or unique?
Are we literally just likepulling something out of a
collective, like net, and it'slike all right, because
sometimes you think of somethingand then shortly later like
that thing is relevant or thatthing is out there, whether it's
like a invention or an idea orjust like a phrase or something?

(09:36):
Do you think anything that wecreate or come up with is truly
like 100% unique?
Are we just pulling from someother realm, like what is
imagination?

I guess is what I'm trying to speculate I
think it's a little bit of both,right, because, like, you get
inspired, right, oh my gosh,this made me feel something and
I'm inspired to make more or dosomething.
And then you got the ones thatfrom the inspiration, you gain
understanding and a deeper,profane knowledge of what it is,

(10:08):
and then you can tell a story,allegorically, through whatever
it is that is going on withinyou.
So I think it's a little bit ofboth, of, like, you know, if
you can use your imagination andthink it, you can do it.
You know, and that's like,that's one of the most important
things about the human mind isthe imagination, and that's why

(10:30):
they're always trying to killthe imagination and that's why
they're always trying to justkeep people in that cube and
discourage any possibility ofthinking outside of that cube,
because that out there theycan't contain.
You know, once you, once you dothat, then it becomes something

(10:51):
even more contagious and sparkseven more imagination to um, a
wider variety, and it's anexpansive growth.
It's the force of love, right,it's a, it's contagious, it's
expansive, it blows up.
You know, the, the people thatwant to keep you in the cube, is
that, um, that involutionaryforce that wants to just crush

(11:16):
you and break you down to verysmall pieces until it's nothing
yeah, I, I agree, I think it's alittle bit of both too.

I think the younger me would have said the
majority of it is probably, youknow, individual ideas and
thoughts.
But the older I get, man, Ijust see too many instances of
like you said, tom, I have anidea or I think of something and
then fucking boom, it's there,it it's in reality and there's

(11:45):
just been too many times thatI've witnessed that, whether it
be for me or by proxy, you knowwith somebody that there has to
be some kind of commoncollective intelligence, like a
mental internet.
You know, if you will, Ibelieve edward casey, the famous
uh prophet, he essentially saidthat as much, that there was

(12:06):
kind of this internet ofcollectiveness that he was
tapping into to get thisknowledge.
So there's got to be somethingto it, man.

It's funny that you bring that up, because
I was just reading this DavidIcke book and he talks about the
creation and I highlighted thisbefore that I came on here and
we just ended up starting totalk about the imagination.
But once we grasp the nature ofthe all possibility and the

(12:34):
infinite imagination in thefullness of its meaning, and all
paradox disappears.
Infinite awareness is notenergy but produces energy as an
imagination of the allpossibility, creation of
infinite imagination and theimaginations of its imagination

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can manifest as the realms ofwhat we call energy, frequency
and vibration.
The further these imagined, uh,creations themselves create and
become detached from a state ofinfinite awareness, his
awareness of itself, the morethey fall into ever lower
frequencies and so states ofillusion.

(13:17):
So I just read that before andI highlighted it and you started
talking about the imagination.
I'm like, well, that's funny,ain't it?

it's one of those instances.
It's just, you know like, comeon, man, it's just, it's too
fucking, it's too much.

David ike, I love, I love me, some david
ike man well, and you know Ithink people get caught up on
his reptilian stuff, but like hereally, I mean the stuff that
he talks about in his book ismore than that.
It's like this you got to readhis stuff to understand what
he's talking about comingoutside of a different uh

(13:55):
frequency band that is existingat the same time as as us right
so for anybody to be like, wow,I don't understand that.
That's not possible.
It's like well, you have tohave a proper foundation to
understand this stuff and mostpeople are are kept in.

Matt Slap (14:14):
Well, no, it's just in the movies none of the guys
books are less than like 500pages too.
So, yeah, it'd be funny if hewas literally just like right, I
have one too.
It's fucking the fattest bookI've ever owned.

What is it it's got to be?
It's like this is a 700 pagebook, exactly.

It's like the stand from Stephen King.
They're a reptilian.

Matt Slap (14:33):
This person's a reptilian, that person's a
reptilian.
It would be a pamphlet, butyeah, it's some dense reads for
sure.

Well, well , and then they he goes into
like all the different religionsand the similarities and where
these all come from and that,like one religion is just one
regurgitation of this religionand all that.
But then when you go to thecore of all those religions,
they all started from a fuckingcult, they all did and it's all
cult, cult, operated like cultshit.
And people are like no, that'snot how it is.

It's like, well, maybe you should learn about
what a cult is, a cult, not acult and then you can learn
about the occult yeah hand inhand, one of the things that we
wanted to talk about on thisepisode is something that david
eich, that David Icke, reallyopened my eyes to, and that is

(15:26):
the 5G stuff.
Have you heard David Icke orread anything of David Icke
about the 5G stuff?

not so much on the 5G, I just remember
him talking about how theoperation system works.
You know, with how we work islike how like a computer would
work and like how wifi works,cause most people don't
understand how wifi andradiation and how this all this

(15:55):
stuff works.
And David Icke also talks aboutabout how information energy is
just information and it's justall around us.
And it's like you got the Wi-Fithat's everywhere, right, and
it's decoding, it's sending allthis information through
radiation, right, the Wi-Firadiation is going through and

(16:18):
then it's going to yourprocessor, into your computer
and getting decoded and then putonto your screen and then, boom
, boom, here's your picture.
And it's right, it's magic,right.
People?
They're like, oh, these aremagical devices.
I'm just like, well, it'sscience which the unknown of
might seem like magic.
But yeah, it's, it's the formof magic, it's a new technology,

(16:41):
it's this and that, but likeyou don't.
You use it every day but youdon't know how, how it works,
how this all works.
And then when you realize that,like all of these different um
radiation and all this otherstuff that's going around in our
reality field on an unseenlevel because our eyes can't
perceive it, it's like it's nothappening right.

(17:03):
So, like, if you can manipulatethe field, like you can
manipulate a computer, you canhack into a computer.
What makes you think you can'thack into people?
You know, and that's what these5g towers and all this other
stuff is doing is, and it andthere's a patent and you,

(17:23):
anybody can go and look it upthat it's all for mind
manipulation, thoughttransference.
And they just came out incanada.
They had what the primeminister or not the prime
minister or some I saw somegovernment thing and they were
talking about that.
These technologies are real,about all these people having

(17:44):
thoughts, crazy thoughts thataren't theirs, and all these
different things being put intotheir head and they're just
being harassed.
Well, now they're admitting it,and before it was just a theory
and now it's proven and we'regritted everywhere with it voice
to skull technology.
Yeah, exactly, you know who elseis really good for all of this

(18:06):
stuff is this author.
Her name's alana freeland umand her last book came out, I
think, 2021, and it's calledgeoengineering uh, genet,
geoengineered transhumanism howthe environment has been
weaponized by chemicals,electromagnetism and

(18:27):
nanotechnology for the syntheticbiology.
It's another thick one, butthey go into all the
technologies and this is thethird book of a series of I mean
, all of the books are justtalking about, like harp um, you
name it all these technologieswith all the chem trails,

(18:48):
everything that they're they'rejust weaponizing and ionizing
our, our sky, which I read.
This other book in 2020.
It's called the, the invisiblerainbow, by arthur burstenberg.
This is like this is thehistory of electricity and life
on this planet, and they talkabout all these these different

(19:10):
things and there was, like theywere saying that we've had six
to seven different rollouts oftechnologies that have had.
While they got rolled out, thena pandemic happened, like
because and they say it's anAsian flu flu or it's a Hong
Kong flu, or all this stuff, butit's really the radiation

(19:34):
poisoning.
It's all this stuff that ismessing with us.
Like they said here.
The first one 1889, power lineharmonic radiation begun that
same year.
Pandemic of influenza in 1889.
1918 the radio era began, whichwas the Spanish flu.

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1957 radar came out, came out,the Asian flu pandemic happened
1968.
Uh, satellite era.
They started doing all that.
Hong Kong flu pandemic 1968.
Five and six were all wirelessera slash harp.
And then this book that I readdidn't even have 5G in it

(20:20):
because it 5G got rolled out so,like I saw an interview of that
author, he's like, he's like,yeah, I put published this book
and then they roll out 5g.
It's like they had to makeanother book.
Yep, but yeah, that peopledon't realize the soup that is
around us that has an effect onus, you know, on the multitude
of the fake food, all theprocessed foods that we're

(20:43):
eating, everything that we'reputting in.
You know, it's like they'retrying to change this
environment internally,externally, which I also have a
theory that they're changingthis environment so these new
things can take form in theenvironment, which you know.
Transhumanism, then, bringingthese things from into

(21:07):
possessing people to being likehomunculus yeah, no, I think
that's part of the npc armybasically yeah, like I forget,
there was this one movie thatcame out in like 2018, 2017,
2018.
It's called Necro-something andit's all about like they're

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putting all these black boxes up.
It's a New Zealand film, newZealand, like horror comedy, and
they're putting all these blackboxes everywhere and
everybody's got these apps ontheir phone and the whole app is
like people are gettingpossessed and you got to go find
them and it's kind of likePokemon Go but like with this
thing.
But then all of a sudden,people start getting possessed

(21:54):
by these demons and like crazystuff started happening and it
became like this whole, you know, like the whole movie ended up
turning into like these peoplerunning into a brigade of people
that are on this fight againstthe satanic horror movie shit,
just trying to save somebody.

You are obviously very well researched.
What is your best guess?

observed and what I've read um, just
traveling the us, it's, you gotyour 5g towers in a grid, going
straight down a road, like goingdown the highways, all right,
like, however, so ever, howeveroften they are, there's a
shitload of them and they alwayscome in a pair of three, or
like two here and then, like alittle bit down, there's one
more, but then if you raiseyourself up and you see this,

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they're all in a grid.
You know we're in this likefence, and this technological
grid is happening all around us,like if people don't even know
it, because they can't even seeit, they're not even looking.
They're like blinders, like yeah, oh, the phone you know like
they, instead of looking up andbeing like, well, what is this

(23:12):
shit and why do I see so many ofthese fucking towers?
What's what's going on here?
And I think it is um a part ofmanipulation.
You know, because everybody,there's so much mind control
going on um just within ourmedia.
So you were talking about likeyou guys are in your last not

(23:33):
your last podcast, but the onewhere you're talking about like
um psyops, and I'm also readingthis book called mind war, and
it's by michael aquino.
Are you guys familiar with whomichael aquino is?

Matt Slap (23:48):
I don't think so that's a satanic guy in the army
, or whatever.
Yes, yes um 100.

So in here this whole book is all about
the psychology of controllingthe masses and it's called mind
war because they talk about,like, moving groups of people
and without having to usephysical war.
And it's fascinating becauseyou know, you read this stuff

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and and it's just like, well,yeah, this shit's fucking
happening.
But, like um, you guys weretalking about psyops, and he
gives definitions of to all thisstuff because he said he helped
coined all these terms.
So psychological operations,which is your psyop?
Uh is planned operations toconvey selected information and

(24:41):
indicate indicators to foreignaudience to influence their
emotions, motives, objectivereasoning and ultimately, the
behavior of foreign governments,organizations, groups and
individuals.
The purpose of psychologicaloperation is to induce or
reinforce foreign attitudes andbehaviors favorable to the

(25:05):
originator's objectives.
And then you've gotpsychological warfare, which is
a psy war.
And he says here uh is theplanned use of propaganda and
other psychological actions toinfluence the opinions, emotions
, attitudes and belief andbehaviors of hostile foreign

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groups in such a way as tosupport the achievement of a
national objectives.
And then you got propaganda,any form of communication in
support of nations, objectivesdesigned to influence the
opinions, emotions, attitudesand behaviors of any group in
order to benefit this, the, thesponsor, either directly or

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indirectly.
So like this book is like.
It blows my mind, because it'slike they tell you they publish
this stuff.
It's the playbook and peopledon't you know they they keep
people, like I was saying in ourlast short-minded the TikTok
nation, it's now, now, now,don't look back.
Now now, just keep going.
Now, now, don't look back.

(26:10):
Look here here here, here, herehere.
What Drink?
Drink, drugs drink.
Women women, women, base levelthings, yeah, and I don't know
if you guys have ever heard ofthis book.
Know if you guys have everheard of this?

Matt Slap (26:28):
book um.
It's called silent weapons forquiet wars.

Nope, you've read this.
I've never read it, but I'veseen it referenced a lot so I
these are all like random booksthat I like, two of them I'm
reading and and a couple of themI just because I knew it was
coming out.
I'm like, all right, cool.
These are some things that Iheard you guys talk about and I
wanted to bring up.
But it's funny because thefirst page I opened up to was

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this was division, the primarystrategy of everything.
Always, you know, we want todisintegrate their minds,
sabotage their mental activitiesby providing a low quality

(27:12):
program of public education inthe mathematics, logic systems,
designs and the economics, bydiscouraging technical
creativity.
There's that imagination, yepagain.
Um.
Two, emerging their uh,engaging, engaging their
emotions, increasing theirself-indulgence and their
indulgence in emotional andphysical activities.
B unrelenting emotionalaffirmations and attacks, mental

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and emotional rape by way of aconstant barrage of sex violence
and war with media, especiallythe TV and the newspapers.
B by giving them what theydesire in excess, junk food for
thought and depriving them ofwhat they really need the public

(28:01):
to the deviate creation, thusbeing able to shift their
thinking from personal needs tohighly fabricated outside
priorities.

Matt Slap (28:12):
We're watching this shit, it's like you know, it's
like the name of that book it'scalled silent weapons for quiet
wars.

Okay, it's a small little pamphlet book
and it says in the beginningthat, like you know, they don't
really know where this came from.
They found they found it in acopy machine, apparently.
Um, and they said the guy, who,who they did pin it on.
They said, oh, he was acriminal, and all this stuff
happened and um, but then theguy's like I'm only went to jail

(28:42):
because of this book.
I only went to jail becausethese people didn't want, they
wanted to make it really hardfor me because they knew that I
got all this information fromall these different people,
insiders, blah, blah, blah.
But who knows, I mean, eitherway, even if majority of that
stuff is bullshit, you couldstill pick up the nuggets of

(29:04):
gold, you know?
That's the thing is.
You got to look at all thisshit and then be like what do I?
What do I do?
Do I do I?
Do I believe this?

or it's like, well, no, you gotta use your gut
, you know in my mind, the factthat they went after him kind of
adds you know, adds legitimacyto his claim.
Right?
I mean, yeah, totally yeah,they're not gonna come after you
if, like, you know, that's what, that's what's so crazy about
some of these, these uh denialswith like secret projects and
whatnot.
It's like they go after some ofthese people so hard that it's

(29:37):
like, if it is, if they're justlike bart said, bart sabrell, if
he's just a silly little guythat thinks we never landed on
the moon, why do you guys comeafter him so hard?

it's like, well, yeah, to me it just gives
him credence yeah, oh, I lovethat episode that you had the
dude that came on about, um, allthe space landings, because
I've seen that guy's videos andit's just like why are you guys
getting so mad?
Why, why would anybody get somad?

Matt Slap (30:03):
truth does not fear investigation, that's for sure.

Anytime you're not allowed to look into
something, you should probablylook into it yeah, that's when
you should look into it the mostright what's your favorite
thing to uh to look into,because obviously you are
knowledgeable on severaldifferent subjects uh, I mean, I
like, I like all that stuff.

I like anything that has to do with, uh
, magic.
Um, I like supernatural stuff.
Uh, I like the things that I'vealways liked horror movies, and
the thing that really um got mewas the unexplained, the
unknown part of horror movies,like zombie movies, like a true
zombie movie.
I always get into argumentswith people.

(30:46):
True zombie movie is there's noexplanation of how this
happened, it just it's justhappening and we don't know
what's going on.
Is it what's going on?
It's like, well, that's theluster of the movie, you know,
that's what gives it that, thatmagic, that's what gives it that
like we don't know what's goingon.
Oh, it was the government.
It's like, well, that's not atrue zombie movie, that's a
man-made crisis.
True zombie movies has to dowith what was?

(31:08):
It has to do with the moon,does it have to do with this?
You know, but then again, allzombie movies are political
statements how so?
well, like a lot of um georgeromero movies were, were based
off of society, the whole thingof, I believe, was it Dust Till?

(31:31):
What was that?
The one where they're in Dawnof the Dead, when they're in the
mall?
That's all about consumerism,because everybody's trapped in a
mall and they got all thismaterial but they can't get out
because they got all thesepeople that I just want to eat
their brains and eat thembecause they're consuming
everything and they're and Iknow all of his movies have an

(31:53):
underlying theme of what's goingon in society and politically,
whatnot.

Matt Slap (31:59):
That's just from reading interviews and being a
nerd well, what if 5g gives usthe NPC zombies that every
movie's conditioned us for?
And that's the ultimate side.
5g turns the truly most youknow, the most
nanotechnology-filled, the mosthighly vaccinated, the most
sheepish of everyone into azombie.

It's already happening.
I mean, we're watching zombiesevery fucking day, like I see it
every day.
I watch people in almost everyangle of life.
There's a phone right here andthey're connected and like any
time that I've gone out tobreakfast, I sit down and I'm

(32:44):
just like, like looking atpeople just sitting across from
each other.
They got food but both peopleare on their phones and I'm just
like they got.
They own people, they ownpeople's minds.
Because all this stuff is aboutdata, right, because, like
after, after starting to readthis mind war book, that's all

(33:07):
just going off of data and a.
They know, they know the dataof the, the human psyche, and
then they can now trackeverybody.
They don't need to chipeverybody.
Everybody's got a phone,everybody's being observed
anyways, everybody.
2020, everybody stayed insideand gave consented to give all
their information away, justconsuming, doing all this stuff,

(33:31):
right, and then now they canforecast a movement.
Now they can take an hegeliandialect and cybernetically
forecast and in andcybernetically forecast and in

(33:52):
infuse that into the, the massesand do it.
I mean, look 2020, look at allthe riots like that was crazy.
Just watching that, I'm like,oh my god.
And like once they can liketake people and get them
together, they can literallyjust it creates this egregore,
it which becomes a life of itsown and it's either gonna.

(34:13):
It's either gonna consume youand you're gonna be, become part
of this egregore, or you'regoing to be spit out, and that's
why you don't want to go to ariot.
That's why you don't want to goto, like, any kind of protest
is because, like emotionallytriggered boom, and then you're
either spit out or you're,you're in it and you're and
you're going, and then all of asudden you're like what happened

(34:34):
?
What came over me?
What's going on?
It's like, well, I could tellyou, but are you gonna believe
me?
It's like it's all occultinformation, it's all science of
how we work and how they canhijack our minds, our energy and
turn us into drones.

You know they're weakening us you know, they're
weakening us, without a doubt ina in a classic sense of zombie.
I always wondered okay, rabiesis essentially making a dog a
zombie right, that's what it is.
So what if the rabies somehowmutated or jumped a human?
That would pretty much make uszombies.

(35:14):
I mean, that's what rabies is.
It's incurable once it's, onceit's taken over.
You seek out like you becomemore violent and you can't hold
water down.
That's why you eventually die,because you, you, yeah, like you
.

You, you are so thirsty and you want
water, but your body physicallycan't take it it's it's, oh it's
the scariest thing rabies,because there's no cure wow,
yeah, and then you, no one youknow, when you have to get all
those shots in your gut, you getwhat?

three, three shots in your stomach, or
something like that yeah, Ithink there's been one lady ever
who survived having rabies andit was an experiment.
It was recently and it was anexperimental treatment where
they they put her in a aninduced coma so she could, I
guess, suffer all of so her bodybasically was able to fight it

(36:08):
off because they shut everythingelse down.
That that's what they theorizedanyway, but she's like the only
person ever to survive, uh,having rabies.
I mean, if you get treatmentvery shortly after, within like
24 hours, you'll be okay, butsay you get bitten and then you
go two weeks you're fucked.

Yeah.

Matt Slap (36:26):
Scary.

What do you?

Matt Slap (36:27):
think was the main psyops before we, because I know
.
Something else we wanted totalk about was time traveling
and I was thinking, dude, I wishwe could time travel, even not
too far back, just to thefucking 90s and even the early
2000s or 2010s, where, like,cell phones were still a thing
and shit you know, but it waslike you could text, you could
call, maybe you could go on someinternet until your thing ran

(36:48):
out and it was the slowest pieceof shit ever.
It wasn't like the phone wasalways in everyone's hand.

Yeah, you'd be texting, but like it's,
it's gone too far yeah, I mean,you know and and they call
these smartphones right, butthey're only as smart as the
users everyone's yeah, andthey're making everyone dumb
yeah, well, I mean, I think youguys were talking about it.
it was just like I think youguys were talking about the tick
tock thing and and how theydon't even China doesn't even

(37:15):
let the kids go on TikTok and ifthey do, they go on these apps
that are like super smart andlike teaching these kids actual
things that are going to giveyou value in your life or have
some use for it, rather thanshaking your ass and being like,

(37:35):
yeah, this is what I do.

Matt Slap (37:37):
How did this tie up us the most in previous
generations?
Cartoons and movies and sports,I guess.

I wrote something down about.
Hold on, I wrote, I took a noteand you were talking about what
, what I think, mike, you saidwhat was?
What do you think is the thegreatest sigh up?
And I think you guys weretalking about uh, uh, religion,
right?

yeah religion being and I think that's the for
sure, the the biggest psyop.

Because you know, I think the cults are.
You know, once you get, onceyou can establish a cult under
the sub guise of a religion,then you really got.
Then you really got people,because you're just taking
esoteric knowledge and you cansound really smart to somebody
that doesn't get this shit.

(38:24):
You know that and oh, what'sgoing on?
So like you can manipulate abunch of people that are just
gull bullshit and they're like,oh, he can save me, he can do
this, you get people to startdoing stuff for you.
And then, oh, oh boy, the macroand the micro.

Matt Slap (38:43):
The types of people that like to call themselves the
elite or you know.
They're just very skilled indisciplines that were hidden
from us and taken away from usand they can use it for
nefarious means like.

They understand the mind, they
understand astrology, theyunderstand magic, they
understand all this crazy shitthat we haven't been allowed to
you know, know about orunderstand, and they're tricky
with how they outwit everybodyin a way like David Icke was
saying in this book about energy, and I think this is what he
was saying within perceptions,equal frequency, frequencies we

(39:24):
interact with in the quantumfield, equal what we decode and
make holographically manifest inas experienced reality,
accidents happen.
That's what everyone says, butin the quantum universe there
are no such thing as accidents,only possibilities and
probabilities folded intoexistence by perception.

Matt Slap (39:47):
I think we definitely have the power to make things
come about, whether this is acomputer program or that's just
part of the mind's way ofinteracting with the world
around us, and that's why theywant to kill imagination.

well, yeah , and especially if the masses
had the imagination and and youknow it goes it goes into what
we were talking about last.
The last episode was theartists and the people that are
the most exploited and used.
But if those were used in thecorrect way to actually uplift

(40:24):
and help people become just asthey are, as this is me, I'm an
individual instead of I'm anicon and you need to be an
influencer like me and you needto be me instead of being like
hey, become the best that youcan be and whatever it is that
that is flowing within you.

(40:45):
And if that became such a huge,a huge force, they wouldn't
need to pervert everything,because everything, the truth of
that which is would be, itwould be understood.
It wouldn't be what's yourtruth.
It's not what is truth.

(41:06):
What is truth?
Because that that thatessentially is that which is,
that which was and that whichwill always be, and it's eternal
.
And if people got that, thenthey could probably understand,
start to understand whatcreation is and how it powers.
This whole matter, all of thematter here in this dense,

(41:35):
slowed down plane of existence.
If we sped up, we could walkthrough the walls and see
different realities anddifferent colors on an
unbelievable spectrum, buteverybody's stuck here in this
tesseract, right, it's foldingin on it, over on it on itself,
and they want to control thatand it's it's not, uh, it's not

(41:55):
how it works, but that's uh,it's a lot of work.
So it's like, if I can helppeople along that way to maybe
gain some understanding, tolevel them up so they can keep
climbing that ladder to becomebetter, that's what I try to aim
to do, because I'm doing thatby myself, you know, by you know

(42:20):
, on my own, through books andwhatever experiences I get and
people I meet, and I'm, I'malways getting inspired by uh,
fans, anybody's, fans of my art,anybody I meet at a convention,
anybody that's just like.
They want to talk about thisstuff.
It's, it's really surprising,like what we see and we surround

(42:41):
ourselves with people that arelike minded and want to like
watch the show and hear aboutthese ideas that we're talking
about, and maybe they'll help usbring into higher ideas and
better thinking and maybeinspire you to do the work and
figure something else out so youcan change the world too.

(43:03):
You know, like, because if wedon't change it through
ourselves, it's not going tohappen, because we're just
mirrors here.
We're just reflecting what'sgoing on in here and trying to
bring that vision of what we seehere and what we feel here and
what we pull down and pull infrom all around us to to help

(43:28):
you know that's.
That's what I want to do hereand and try to help expand and
crush realities of what youthink it was and what this place
is and how it actually operates.
That's what you call it.

Matt Slap (43:46):
Devastating system.

Let me ask you guys there's been a ton of
different people throughout theInternet age that have claimed
to time travel and be timetravelers.
There's a couple of real famousones, like John Titor what's?
The other man from Torad isanother one that was real
popular Passport guy.
Yeah, that's not real.
But yeah, doing some researchfor this episode on time travel

(44:10):
came across some of these names.
I wanted to know if either ofyou guys have heard of any of
the famous quote-unquote timetravelers of the internet age,
or?
Or I guess, and do you guysthink time travel is possible?

well, I I think if we can think it it is
possible, and I think it'spossible beyond our reality can
fathom, but like it's probablysimpler than we think, but we
just I think there's people thathave this knowledge, but I also
think it's one of those thingsthat could make reality like

(44:46):
fold in on itself.
You know, it's like it,especially if you've seen that
movie event horizon is like theyintentionally well what they do
, they bet space, but then theyended up going into hell.
So I guess it it isn't reallyso much time travel, but it's
more of bending the space inthat movie, but like still like

(45:08):
butterfly effect and that wasjust like that was essentially
time travel.
It's like a it's like a marvel.
What if movie?

Matt Slap (45:17):
it is a trippy paradox, I mean.
I think it's.
I've seen things on why itcould be theoretically possible
or maybe like examples of thingslike that happening.
Or yeah, you slip into adifferent reality.
Or people say, maybe time isn'tjust linear from past, present,
future, that it's all kind oflike one string and it's all
occurring at the same time, orit's all already occurred past,

(45:40):
present and future.
So I mean, if it was somethinglike that, you'd think maybe you
could slip to a different partof it without disrupting
everything.
Or maybe that has beenhappening and that's what CERN
was doing and that's why we havethe Mandela effect and other
shit like that, becausesomething like that's already
happened.
Who knows.

You brought up the Mandela effect in CERN, so
have either one of you guysheard of the aforementioned John
Titor?

Matt Slap (46:05):
Probably, but go ahead.

So when Art Bell was alive and he was doing
coast to coast, he received afax.
And he received two faxes,back-to-back days.
And the faxes stated that thisman named John Titor was a time
traveler from an offshoot of acertain successful fusion
reactor research program.

(46:29):
Scientists from CERN producedthe world's first contained
singularity engine.
It involved rotatingsingularities inside, inside a
magnetic field.
By alternating the speed anddirection of the rotation you
can travel both forwards andbackwards through time.
When you go back in time youtravel on your original timeline
, but when you turn off yoursingularity engine a new

(46:51):
timeline is created, hence themandela effect.
So he received these facts asback-to-back days.
Then nothing for two years.
Then two years goes by.
This gentleman named John Titorstarts posting on these message
boards.
He states that he is from thefuture, from 250 years in the
future.
But time travel cannot takeplace past 2564.

(47:14):
For unknown reasons.
He was sent back from 2036 toget an IBM 5100 computer system
from the year 1975.
His time machine is astationary mass temporal
displacement unit manufacturedby General Electric.
The unit is powered by two topspin dual positive singularities
that produce a standard offsettipler sinewoid or a timpler

(47:38):
cylinder, which hype is is areal hypothetical time theory,
uh, postulated by frank tiplerin 1974.
What's crazy is the ibm 5100 itneeded.
The reason why he needed isbecause they need to debug
legacy computer programs in theyear 2036, because Unix has a
problem in 2038.

(47:59):
Remember Y2K, a similar issue.
Here's the crazy thing whenthey postulate, and they do,
it's a 32-bit system and theyneed to upgrade it to 64.
When they do the math, the lastday is January 19th, 2038,
which is the year he said therewas an issue.
I guess that IBM 5100 had aspecial feature that wasn't

(48:20):
known to the mass public, whereit could run a program, but it
also could run APL IBMmainframes.
Only IBM engineers knew of thisand they were afraid of letting
the public know, for, you know,it might fall into the wrong
hands.
Obviously, I don't know if thisis true or not, but this guy,
whoever is John Cedar, was veryknowledgeable.

(48:41):
There's been a couple of peoplethat are the primary suspects
this guy named Joseph Mathenyand then a couple of brothers
from Florida that are attorneys.
But either way, an amazingstory, right?

Yeah, it's true, it's crazy.
Yeah, it also makes me think ofTerminator.

You know what?
Okay, so this is what's crazy,bro, because remember I said
there was two people, two mainsuspects Well, two categories,
because there was one man andthen there was another group of
brothers and those group ofbrothers said that they modeled
it after John Connor from theTerminator.
So you know what?
That's probably exactly what itis.
We've all heard of the man fromTorad.

(49:20):
Doing a little bit of research,that's kind of easy to debunk.
The Philadelphia experience,the Montauk Project, but the one
that really convinces me, dude,have you guys ever heard of
Andrew Carlson?

Okay, so check this out.
I don't even know his name, bro.

This is the one that makes me wonder.
In 2003, a 44-year-old mannamed Andrew Carlson, spelled
C-A-R-L-S-S-I-N, he was arrestedfor insider trading.
In two weeks he had made 126consecutive high-risk profitable
bets on the stock market,turning $800 into $350 million.

(49:56):
The SEC looked into him.
During a four-hourinterrogation.
He explained he traveled backin time from 250 years in the
future with the knowledge ofhigh-profile stock trades.
He said that he planned to makeit look natural by losing a
couple here and there, but itwas just too tempting.
They thought he was a lunaticor a pathological liar because
in their minds there was onlyone way to pull it off, and
that's insider trading.
They thought he was a lunaticor a pathological liar because

(50:17):
in their minds there was onlyone way to pull it off, and
that's insider trading.
They demanded he give up hissource.
However, he never wavered fromhis story.
He offered to give them a curefor AIDS and the whereabouts of
Osama bin Laden for a lightersentence.
He said he didn't care aboutthe money.
He would give it all back aslong as he could return to his
craft and his original timeline.
He refused to give the locationof his craft due to fear of

(50:38):
what could happen and him beingstuck here.
He was held on a milliondollars bond awaiting trial.
He had no family or friends orno money, but after a few weeks
in custody, a mysterious,unidentified man posted
Carlson's bail of $1 million incash.
The mystery man and Carlsonhave never been seen or heard
from since.
Brutal what the fuck is thatdude?

I mean, why not?
We got hollywood telling us.
We got hollywood telling usthrough these crazy movies,
through all this stuff.
It's like the occult talksabout atlantis being like well,
that's, the reason we got acataclysm is because we had this
crazy techno technocracy thatwe have emerging again.

(51:24):
Um, that it's like, well, theyessentially had.
What we have now is anoccultocracy, technocratic
technocracy.
That's like ruling everything.
And now they're like oh, we gotai, we got this and that, but I
think it's, I think that was aforce that has always been here.
I just been waiting for the, thetechnology, to get to the point

(51:46):
where it's now, slowly butsurely.
You know it's getting there.
You know that's what, that'swhat?
Uh, what's his name?
Uh, john d was doing.
John d was tapping into.
You know he was a magiciantapping into with these entities
, these demons or whatever,these ultra-terrestrial beings
doing ritual magic or ceremonialmagic, and all of a sudden he's

(52:09):
talking to these people.
They want to give youinformation.
You know what do they want?
They want blood.
You know they're demons, butessentially it's like all right,
well, cool, here we'll give youall this information.
But yeah, in 900 years oftechnology, it'll take you 900
years or 300 years to get towhere you are, and now we're all
seeing that like coming intothis bottleneck, where it's like

(52:34):
, okay, remember, we grew up onall these movies that are kind
of coming true now, so we gonnalike stop letting them and
consenting to this and maybe dosomething with it, or you know,
just oh, it's, it's not, it's,it's not happening.
Don't look over here, look overhere.

Matt Slap (52:52):
No, we'll get the no, we'll get the Terminators.
We're very close to botspatrolling the streets, I think.

Black mirrors man.
Have you ever watched any ofthe black mirrors or are
familiar with them?
That show is creepy becauseit's like a new age version or
it's like a futuristic TwilightZone is what it is they're
talking about.
They had an episode where youcan upload your consciousness

(53:22):
into the cloud.
It's a technology that ends uplike going into your like
interface, like you putsomething here and it goes into
your consciousness somehow andyou can play like literally
firsthand, like fighter gamesand all that kind of stuff.
But then, um, the one episodethey were, these two women were

(53:44):
in this ai universe or like thiscloud, this reality, and you
could pick out whatever era youwant to go to the 90s, 70s, the
80s, you know whatever.
Wherever you want to go,whatever style you want to do,
um, but 90s, 70s to 80s, youknow whatever you, wherever you
want to go, whatever style youwant to do, um.
But then, like, one of thecharacters was on her deathbed.
She was on like hospice, butshe would.
They only would let her go intothis universe for like a couple

(54:06):
hours a day.
So the the one chick that mether.
She was ended up dying.
But you had the option ofuploading your essence into the
cloud, into these giant servers,you know, and we're we're like
so close to being there.
I mean, look at what Elon Muskis doing with Neuralink and

(54:28):
stuff.
And then they had an episodewhere they, when you're born,
you're born with this technologyin you where you can cast any
of your thoughts on whateverscreen in the room, like your
memories.
You can go back into yourdatabase and play a memory and
watch it on TV, but you can castit.
And this was at a time when Idon't even think you could cast

(54:49):
anything onto the TV yet.
And then now, all of a sudden,we can cast our phones onto a
screen.
And then now, all of a sudden,we can cast our phones onto a
screen.
Well, they're going to go thatmuch further with your memories
and being able to sell it on,never be able to forget, never
forget.

Matt Slap (55:04):
And then they put false memories in.

Mm-hmm, yeah, and that's like Blade
Runner.
Shit, blade Runner, they weregiving everybody a false idea of
who they are.
You know, that's the story ofthe Anunnaki.
You know, like made these thisworker race and we implanted
memories into your minds likewell, they can already do that
shit they've been doing, they'vebeen telling us that shit for a

(55:26):
long time and now it's justlike.
It's like uh, it's like a softopening to a new store, new, a
new.
This is a soft opening to newthings that we're going to be
doing to you population.

Are you a believer in the Anunnaki theory?

Yeah, I mean, I'm a believer of that
there is.
I don't know about if they madeus or not.
I haven't read enough to makeme fully convinced, but what I
have read and what I can come toa conclusion is that everything

(56:04):
is like, when you just look atreligion, how everything is a
regurgitation or rebranding ofan old idea.
Well, I think that this is thisidea of who we are.
I believe that we, we've alwaysbeen here.
Um, I think we've been hijacked.
I think we've been hijacked,just, uh, our minds have been
hijacked and we've been bred tolike that, that whole anunnaki

(56:28):
theory of that maybe we wereslaves or whatnot.
But I think, um, you know, wedon't know where we come from.
We don't, we really don't knowwhere we come from.
We don't, we really don't knowwhere we come from.
And I don't believe fuckingscience, because they haven't
given me, they've been tellingus nothing but lies, just, I
mean, just look at, we weregrowing up as kids what they

(56:48):
told us, what the fuckingpyramids were, like it's just a
tomb.
No, I don't think so.
They didn't tell us about, like, oh, the magic that we all
possess within us and all thatshit, and that these people knew
it way better than, andunderstood it, what spirit was
and what it was in this realmand what it was then.

(57:09):
And it's just these paradigmsand we got to pick through them
all just so we can figure outwhere we came from and where did
we go wrong and what happened.
Because none of the history isright.
It's all a load of shit.

Matt Slap (57:27):
It's all a load of shit, it would be hard to
pinpoint where we really wentdark.
I like to always speculatearound the druids and stuff and
there's connections of thedruids and, uh, egypt and shit
and I was thinking off of whatwe're talking about.
What if, like stonehenge and uh, all these megaliths and the
pyramids and ziggurats and shitthat are lined up on like ley

(57:48):
lines around the earth and likea grid, what if they were the
original 5g towers to sigh upthe?

well, that's funny that you say that
because they were, they werewith electricity right yep, it
was.
Uh, that's what they were islike um, they were um,
especially, they were liketalismatic, because they had all
of these um hieroglyphs and andstuff and they were all on

(58:14):
energetic ley lines.
I mean, there's a reason thatthey have them all over this
place.
They're, they're, they're still.
It's old technology, right,it's just not, it's, it's dated
and right, yeah, it's, it'scrazy stuff.
I mean that they did harnessour energy, they did use it
against us, you know.
You know that's when egypt is,when magic got corrupted.

(58:38):
You know, I think, um, we wereat a higher place of
consciousness, you know, andthat's like what.
Egypt was the highest and thenit just like went away.
Like it doesn't make any senseto me and from what they're
talking about, egypt is like,well, these guys didn't make
these pyramids either.
They're talking about it waspre, like lemurian, like

(59:00):
cataclysm, like atlantis, stufflike which, whether atlantis is
a real place or a time era orwhatever it was, it was a state
of consciousness that was farmore superior than where we were
, and there was a lot of crazyshit going on, whether they were
dinosaurs or elementalcreatures, and crazy shit that

(59:24):
we could see, that were biggerand everything was much bigger.
Like you go to new zealand,everything's fucking huge.
The spiders are huge,everything is huge the dinosaurs
one.

So when I first heard that there was a movement
that people were denyingdinosaurs, maybe about five, six
years ago, when I kind of firstcame on my radar, I thought
what a fucking stupid one.
And then I looked into it andnow I'm pretty sure there was no
such thing as dinosaurs.
Yeah, when you find out thatthey've never found like more

(59:56):
than like three bones together,it's like.
When you find out the origin ofit is all like fucking
backstabbing, lying, cheating.
It's like, yeah, dude, youcan't trust science.

"Headhunter" Higgins (01:00:06):
No, it's between NASA and all that stuff.
It's like you're better off,like, go stick your head in,
stick your head in the occultworld, because you, you'll,
you'll, you'll start to find outsome shit.
That like you're like what?
What?
This is how reality works andthis is how this all works.
And it's just like whoa, pickout a part of consciousness that

(01:00:29):
you want to know about and youwill learn an immense amount
about who you are.
If you started just under likeunderstanding the basics of it,
the basics of all these sacredsciences like tarot, the, the
whole cost, all theconstellations, the zodiac, like
all that stuff that isconsidered woo-woo is, it's all

(01:00:52):
a sacred science about how weoperate and how this plane of
existence is trust mythologymore than I trust oh yeah shit
we're being given well andthey're telling they're just
retelling the greatest storiesthat have ever been told and
they're all like differentallegories of the same shit,
literally right.
So it's like, okay, okay, cool,we are the.

(01:01:15):
Once we realize that all thisstuff's about us and not
externally out like somewhereelse, that someone's going to
come in and swoop in and get youand save you and hug you and
tell you everything's okay in arealm of action where you can

(01:01:42):
pull yourself out of this andyou can do it.
But you have to let go andrelearn and reintegrate stuff.
You can't just like, have it belike okay, cool, I'm, I'm now a
fireman.
It's like, well, you got to dothe to become a fireman, right,
you can't just be.
You can't just be a fireman.

Matt Slap (01:01:56):
Well, we live in fake until you make it.

Yeah, exactly, oh, yolo.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:02:00):
Something that was said earlier got me wanting
to ask you guys because I'm sureboth of you are way more
well-researched in this areathan I am and that is Aleister
Crowley and the being a lambthat he supposedly communicated
with you guys are familiar withthis.

Yeah, the big headed thing, yeah, like the
gray like yes, gray alien,that's right behind you there
right exactly there what do youguys think of?
That it's pretty wild.

Matt Slap (01:02:32):
He summoned something that looked like yoda.

He said too yeah, that's what the um, uh
, the alphys levi was talkingabout in um, sir, like
ceremonial magic, you know,summoning different things.
Yeah, jordan maxwell talks aboutthat one big time, about yoda
being this demon, and you know,they're just pretty much they're
summoning these creatures,these, these entities, to come

(01:02:58):
through and to give themknowledge so they can start
doing this stuff.
But, like, I don't know, there'ssomething about all of that
kind of magic, uh, any, anythingthat has to do with, like
summoning or invoking anotherentity to come in, either in you
or channeling, or there's justsomething that doesn't sit right

(01:03:19):
with me.
Um, I think that you knowthat's a, that's a type of magic
, but I think it's a, a form ofum.
You're giving up part of whoyou are for these things to come
in and operate through you andum start fucking with your
energy and the world that youlive in and doing other things.
But, like, when you startgetting these things to do stuff

(01:03:41):
for you, well, that's going tocome back to you big time and
it's gonna.
It's gonna come like you think.
You think it's bad here andyou're gonna be judged.
It's you're gonna like, takeyourself back from evolving to
devolving if you're using thesethings in a sorcerer mindset do
you know anyone who went deepinto that?

(01:04:05):
um, I've known.
I've known I've had friendsthat that haven't, that didn't
summon stuff like magically,that had no idea what they were
doing.
But I had friends that fuckwith drugs and entities that
didn't even know what they weredoing and that was kind of part
of one of the stories that I was.
That story I told you guysabout my friend and his kids and

(01:04:28):
whatnot, but like case pointright, there was like, okay, man
, you're with with that, youhave no idea you're, you're,
you're lowering your energy soyou can be with these things and
be in a certain state of mindand these things have an
influence on you, you know.

(01:04:50):
But then then people just blameit on the drugs and it's just a
psychosis thing.
It's like, well, there's a fineline of yeah, there's a
psychosis, but like you're alsoentering a different state of
reality, you're in an alteredstate and no one's going to
believe you, because no one canhear this shit and see the
things that you're seeing,because you've made a pact,

(01:05:13):
whether you know it or not, andyou are interfacing with
something that is going tocosmically fuck you up and make
your, your life really messy andreally not cool until you go
okay, fuck this.
It's time to start doing thework and becoming a good person,
or maybe just making betterchoices.

(01:05:36):
How about that?

Matt Slap (01:05:37):
yeah, I mean, uh, I'm surprised that it doesn't seem
like a bad idea or a bad choiceto most people to summon an
entity from an unseen realm.
It sounds like a pretty obviouschoice there's people that love
doing that, though.

I mean, there's a whole realm of that.
Like I've been in, I've been inum a handful of magic shops.
I like going into them becauseI like having conversation with
people that are messing withstuff or like or just open to
having these types ofconversations.
Right, you'd be reallysurprised.
I went to um, I went to a uh, Iwent to a magic shop and they

(01:06:15):
were talking, they were having aconversation about we had a
total conversation about naturallaw, and are you guys familiar
with natural law, like theKabbalion or any of the hermetic
principles of what really bindour soul here?

Matt Slap (01:06:34):
I'm sure I'm familiar with some like uh laws of the
universe or whatever, if youwill.

But go ahead and give us a right, so
it's a gummies version naturalphilosophy so, like you got the
seven hermetic principles right,which you got, mentalism,
that's the first one.
And the the universe is mental,the all, all is mind.
So, like anytime anything comesinto existence here, like

(01:07:00):
infrastructure, cars, anythingthat has been made, or anything
all comes, has to start in mindbefore it enters this plane of
existence.
So you're pulling stuff downright.
The second one iscorrespondence, as above so
below, as within as without.
The third one is correspondenceas above so below, as within as
without.
The third one is vibrationEverything vibrates, nothing

(01:07:20):
rests.
The fourth one is polarity.
Everything has its pair ofopposites.
So you've got your positive anda negative and everything
really it's the same thing.
So it's like you got cold waterand then you got like hot
boiling water, but it's's allthe same thing, it's just a
different degree of the samething.
So you got hot and cold, allthat kind of stuff, but it's

(01:07:42):
really one.
and then you got rhythm uh,everything rise has a rise, and
fall like a, like a tide, a pool, an ebb and flow.
Um, then you got cause andeffect.
Uh, every cause has an effect,every effect has its cause.
And then you have gender, andeverything has a masculine and a

(01:08:03):
feminine principle to them.
So we have, we, all of us, havea masculine and feminine aspect
to us, right and um, when itcomes down to all of this stuff,
this is what binds our soulhere, this is what governs who
we are, our energy.

(01:08:23):
So, this conversation we'rehaving here I'm listening to
their conversation we had thiswhole conversation about that
story that I told you, about myfriend and all that stuff, and I
was trying to explain theseprinciples to him and blah, blah
, blah.
And then this is you know, hisstory happened and inevitably I

(01:08:50):
had to walk away about, uh, youknow natural natural law is the
principle, and uh, not principle, but like uh, foundational
teaching, before you can evenmess with magic
really so, like you have tounderstand that natural law is a
thing and you have tounderstand that, like everything

(01:09:11):
come back to you based on yourintention.
So what, what you put out iswhat you get back, kind of a
thing.
So and they're they're agreeingwith me like oh yeah, and
they're like rolling their eyes.
They're like oh yeah, that he'sso stupid for not listening to
you.
But then the the dissonance inthis.
I hear another customer come inand then they're talking about

(01:09:34):
their kids, like oh yeah, ourkids are totally doing the
gender thing right now.
You know, I got and we we fullysupport them and they're doing
all this stuff.
And I got a him, her and a she,he and and all this stuff.
And I'm like, wait, you guysown a magic shop and we just got
done talking about natural lawand you're and you're letting

(01:09:56):
your kids go against the lastnatural law, which is gender,
and you're going against thatwhich is.
So that's fine, you can makethat choice.
If that's what you want to do.
That's your choice to make.
But your consequence to goingagainst that which is is
suffering, is that's where allyour suffering is going to come

(01:10:17):
from is when you don't want toaccept the truth of the
objective reality, like plainand simple.
So like I was at this place andthey were talking about this and
I'm just like, but that's themajority of people?
Like they'll have anunderstanding of fundamental
things but then they think theycan rework them and make it how

(01:10:42):
they want it to be or how theythey, they want to go against
the truth and make reality theway that they they want it to be
, rather than making realitythat way.
Making reality that way, youknow, like oh, I wish I'm
suffering right now because myfriend died or my girlfriend
broke up with me, or or this,and I just I can't accept it.

(01:11:06):
So you're suffering.
But what's the truth of it?
As soon as you accept it andyou can mourn with it and deal
with it and move forward, thenyou can.
That's number one of okay,you've got a cosmic principle,
you understand the idea of Godand truth and creation.

(01:11:29):
However you want to look at it.

Matt Slap (01:11:31):
Yeah, it's funny a lot of people when I guess
alternative, uh, view spaces orconsciousness or whatever,
walking into a magic shop orcrystal shop or whatever, you're
gonna get a 50, 50, somethingthat I thought of a little bit
ago, that was creeping me outwhen I was like you would think
that that's a bad idea and thatpeople love doing that type of

(01:11:51):
shit sometimes like summoning orwhatever and you think back,
like especially around ourgeneration was younger Girls
were up to some creepy shit at,like sleepovers, like.
I was friends with these twogirls in middle school and like
elementary school and they weregreat, whatever.
I still talk to them from timeto time.

(01:12:12):
But they were up to some creepyand like led to some like
legitimate hauntings and stuffand we'd like they want to play
with like ouija board when we'dhang out when we were younger
and like some happened like whenwe did that once and like a
wallet went flying off the table, I still thought it was one of
the older girls like messingwith us, the one that I'm like
come on, she's moving herfingers around on the thing and
yeah, that was a little creepy.

(01:12:33):
But these two girls, uh, theymade it their intention to, in
their words, create an energy.
So they like named this entitylike, and they started like
talking all the time and likeacting like they were hanging
out with it and like puttingenergy into it, giving it a name
, like hanging out with it, liketrying to like do a ritual,
like daily to like nurture thisenergy and entity that they were

(01:12:54):
making an imaginary friend orspirit, if you will and guess
what it worked.
And eventually you know theydidn't want to say the name
anymore and they still wouldn'tlike.
When I saw one of them, likeyears ago, what was telling the
story and stuff, but still wouldnot say the name, because she
was like, no, if I say the name,like something will start
happening again.
Like it climaxed when, like theguitar in the room would strum

(01:13:16):
by itself, or like the thesheets, or like the the blinds
would move and doors would close.
And then, one time that theywere talking about it and like
getting like upset about it andlike why did we do this?
Or something was like the vibe,and then a box of scissors went
flying off the top of a cabinetor something like sharp objects
went flying across the room.

Yeah, that's, that's crazy because,
like, essentially that they madean egregore, right, so they
made something.
But then they went a littlefurther and it could have been
like a mix of an entity comingthrough that came in and it was
like, all right, cool, I'm hereand now they're, they're feeding
me everything that I need, andexactly you know.
And then you start you knowthere's a especially.

(01:13:58):
If they've said they say hisname in three, they say his name
in three, then it's just like,oh, now you're dealing with
demonic stuff I'm sure that'swhat they did.

Matt Slap (01:14:06):
Uh, like I said, girls were up to some weird shit
when we were younger, alwaysinto some like like witchy, like
culty type of thing, when theywould get together and the boys
would just like beat the crapout of each other, go fucking
sneak in somewhere where youshouldn't have been, and
meanwhile girls were doingliteral seances and shit.
And they're 12 year old gettogethers.

There's something to be said about that
stuff too.
People don't realize that, likein this one book that I was
reading, it was, uh, elf's levi,it's the history of magic and
um, and I've heard you guys talkabout this um, and even the,
the, the dude, the nephilim dude, that you had on, that you just
had back on, was talking abouthow the, the nephilim, pretty

(01:14:48):
much taught, or.
Or it was it the nephilim, orit was it the I think it was the
Nephilim that took the wives ofman and taught them magic, or
or if it was like the Anunnakithat took, took on interest in
in women because they werespiritually more advanced than

(01:15:11):
the men and they taught themmagic and makeup and all of this
stuff.
And they've always.
But as women that's theirnatural state is to have a
higher connection spirituallythan the men.
And it's our job as men toprotect the women because they
are the spiritual seers and thespiritual, like it's, it's nuts,

(01:15:35):
because there's a dynamicbetween the, the yin and the
yang, the masculine and thefeminine, the positive, the
negative, and like how it justflows with within itself and
it's it's crazy.
And what they're doing now witheverything is like they're
they're confusing everybodythey're.
They're making uh boys thinkthat they're girls and girls

(01:15:57):
that they're boys.
You know it's.
What was it what they say in uhghostbusters?
It's like it's crazy, it'sraining dogs and cats and like
guys are girls and girls areguys.
They don't even know it's likethat's what's going on right now
is that like these are chaosmagicians that are just like

(01:16:18):
they've got people's minds likeright here, and they're like
guess what?
We're just gonna put this inyour head and play and and
people fall, for it hook, lineand sinker, invert.
The natural order perpetuatesitself, right.
But I, I also do see likeconsciousness, I, I see

(01:16:41):
consciousness doing this, youknow.
But everybody in the truthcommunity thinks that this is
happening.
Like we're right here and it'slike no, we're like we're coming
out of that.
Like whole Kali Yuga, you know,cycle of darkness, like now
we're in the transition ofeverybody's.
Like we're going into thegolden age.

(01:17:01):
It's like, no, we're going intothe, the bronze age, just still
a transition period, whichwe're not quite there.
But let's keep going, you know,and I see that psyop playing out
like the whole new age.
Oh yeah, aliens are the saviors.
That's a new religion on top ofthe scientism shit and all that

(01:17:25):
stuff.
But I also see likespirituality and science could
come together if it was playedright, know, like we're talking
about quantum physics, right,quantum shit, that well, that's
nothing new in the occult.
I was watching this one guytalk about how, when science,
when scientists, catch up to theoccult.

(01:17:46):
It's the cult has been leaguesahead and they're just now
starting to bring up these newideas that are like oh, they're
new.
No, they're not, they're reallynot, and we should be teaching
this shit at school.

Matt Slap (01:18:01):
Well, yeah, all the greatest minds back in the day
were masters of so manydisciplines that you would now
consider a cult or fake, or anon-existent or a pseudoscience.
All those great minds weredoing all types of crazy stuff
yeah, well, have you ever seenthat movie, the last samurai?

with tom cruise, tom cruise movie and
it's a fantastic movie and theytalk about the aspect of the
mind a lot and um, I love thatmovie because I remember the one
time, the one scene in thatmovie where he's like, oh, he's
too fast, he'll beat me, he'steaching him sword fighting and

(01:18:41):
the one guy's like too many mindhe's like hi like you're
thinking too much, it's too manymind.
Simplify it and just get into aflow state.
So I that's like that's a greatmovie for anybody that wants to
see like, uh, japanese, uh, oldtime, like pretty much the end

(01:19:01):
of the samurais is what thatone's about brutal speaking of a
japanese tv or movie.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:19:09):
Have you guys ever heard or seen of a?
It's a.
I believe it's Japanese.
It's a series on Netflix.
It's called Alice in Borderland.
Dude, it is fucking.
It's so good If you could getpast the dubbing, you know, if

(01:19:29):
that doesn't bother you too bad,it's actually not.
I mean, it's not the greatestdub.
I'm picky and I got through it.
So, but, dude the concept, youguys would fucking love it.
Dude, it's good, check it out,Good shit.

Matt Slap (01:19:45):
Have you guys seen Shin Godzilla?
No, oh, that's the shit.
That's the best Godzilla one.
That's like a straight Japanesemovie.
It no, oh, that's the shit.
That's the best Godzilla one,that's like a straight Japanese
movie.
It was probably in like 2019 orsomething, maybe I don't even
remember, but it's fucking good.
Man Godzilla goes through likean evolution.
He starts out as like a slug,like tadpole, like can barely
walk, like grotesque thing onland, and then he kind of levels

(01:20:06):
up and turns into this horrificnuclear monster.

And he's not like fighting other monsters
, he's just destroying things.
So it's pretty cool.
I love godzilla.
I love the little girls thatare in the clam shells, that for
every time I'm like, okay, cool, I can stop watching it before
we close it out, what is, whatare both of your guys's favorite
horror movies?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:20:29):
because we were talking, uh, about a lot of
these different aspects duringthis, uh, this podcast.
It's a tough one for you, I betyou, you guys go first.

I mean, I've got my, I've got my cores,
but I want, I'm curious to seewhat you guys say.
All right, I'll go first, sinceI asked the question.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:20:46):
I'll get it out of the way.
Um, mine is the original nightof the living dead.
I think that's the scariestfucking thing.
Yeah, that's mine.

Matt Slap (01:20:54):
I was a pretty big Jason fan when I was younger.
Although I'm re-watching themand just going back, a lot of
the movies aren't that great.
I just thought Jason was likemenacing and brutal my favorite
shit man.
I used to be pretty fuckingscared of the strangers.

When I was younger I thought that was
creepy as fuck you know what wasa good one was people under the
stairs.
That was a creepy one.
That was a great one.
I would say, oh man, it'sreally, it's really tough to to
to put a finger on finger on 80score horror movies, um, because

(01:21:40):
there's so many gems, um.
But you know, um, I stick withmy carpenter ones.

Matt Slap (01:21:47):
I really like my carpenter films and I think one
of my favorite ones is probablyBig Trouble in Little dude.

That shit is so good, fucking great movie
that's uh, because they tell youa lot of like um eastern occult
stuff in it.
I just recently watched it like, actually I think we watched it
last year.
I showed my girlfriend, uh, bigtrouble in little china and
she's studying a bunch ofeastern um occult stuff and they

(01:22:11):
explain a lot of stuff.
And I was like I gotta go backand watch all these whole old
horror movies again because,like, if you watch chucky the,
the first child's play, thefirst two child's plays I think
are like those two, and thendon't watch any any more of them
.
Like, or the third one thirdone's cool too, but like the

(01:22:33):
first two child's play, like thefirst child's play he's like
fucking with voodoo, he'sfucking with like all these
crazy um voodoo stuff.
And after learning a bunch ofstuff about that, watching them
like, oh my god, yeah, thehorror movies have been telling
us the whole time I have, andyou guys made me think of
something too, before we wrapthis up.

Matt Slap (01:22:52):
Uh, I can't remember what martial artist I heard
talking about it or what otherconspiracy show or some shit.
But like everyone, it'shilarious when you see like the
energy master martial artistlike doing, like the fake, like
chi blasts and shields and likeall that type of shit.
That shit is hilarious.
But I do think like somewherealong the line, maybe some of
these like monkish type of likesuper meditative trippy guys

(01:23:14):
have stumbled across some waysof manipulating energy in ways
that we don't understand orlaugh off.
And some dude was saying he gotcalled it like he was like a
high up martial artist himselfor something to do with, like he
was very in with like supernationalistic, whether it was
korean or japanese or whatever,I can't really remember but like
what he was describing soundedlike some kung fu movie shit.

(01:23:35):
He was with like some somegangster dudes and they were at
a restaurant after dinner andwhatever.
And there was some guy at thetable who claimed he knew some
like I can't remember the namefor it, either chinese, like
black magic, kung fu or someshit, and he killed plants
without touching them, just likehover his plant, hand over
these plants and the plantswould like wither away right
before he's like dude, I got toget out of here Like I don't

(01:23:55):
want to.
I can't believe something likethat was possible.
That changed my life Fuckingwild.
That's awesome.
I would love to hear some crazywoo woo, martial arts tales.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:24:05):
The people under the stairs.
Is that Wes Craven?

I believe.
So no-transcript.

(01:24:40):
How is it not a horror movie?
He's like, it's just not.
I'm like, well, you're thinkingof like slasher stuff.
I'm like this shit happensevery day.
This shit fucking happened.
You don't hear about it, likejust because you don't hear
about like just because youdon't hear about it on the news.
I'm like if you watch thesedetective shows and stuff,
that's just like a little,that's like a little granule of

(01:25:02):
what actually happens out herein this plane of existence, and
like in there and they're andthey're telling you like cult
shit, that like I don't knowwhere.
It's like, oh well, we can'ttrace them to where they are.
Same with them.
What is that one movie we?
We talked about it.
I mentioned it on the lastpodcast.
I think it was the hypnotizingmovie.

(01:25:23):
What the heck is it?

Matt Slap (01:25:24):
Bird box or whatever.

No, it was a Keenan Peele movie Get out,
get out, get out.
That's what it was.
That that was a great onebecause that told all about
hypnotizing people andmesmerizing people and being
able to tap into someone'ssubconscious psyche and control
them and like compartmentalizeuh taking their trauma and

(01:25:49):
applying a trigger to it so theycan become like useless, which
essentially goes down to likemind control and satanic shit
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For the change of our visual presentation.
For real, though, I do thinkthat getting the sweet ass art
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You know you need something tojump out and grab the attention
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"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:03):
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We will get you on.
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Matt Slap is very well read.
His recall is very good too.

Matt Slap (01:28:07):
Yeah, I met him at an art show and we were having a
conversation literally exactlylike the ones that we recorded,
and this was before theinception of our show.
Even so, once we made it, I waslike, oh dude, I got to get him
on here Because I bought ashirt from him and stuff and I
had seen him at another one ofmy friends' art shows.
So anytime I'd see him, we'd bechatting it up like this.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:28:29):
If you want some crazy, amazing art custom art
and he has a number of differentCheck out his shop.
Yeah, absolutely, I think it'sFlapass Creations on Etsy.
Yeah, do all those things.
As I said, what does your shirtsay?
Powered by plants?
Plants oh, because you're vegan.

Matt Slap (01:28:50):
Yeah, I'm still waiting for my sponsorships.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:28:52):
Is there vegan sponsorships?
Is there vegan sponsorships?
Is your mind powered by plants?

Matt Slap (01:28:56):
At the moment it is Mine too as you know I'm on and
off with it but yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:29:02):
It's going to be interesting to see who's going
to be our first third-time guest.
Stay away from pedophilesguitar solo.

Matt Slap (01:29:11):
Thank you, I'm out.

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