33 | Thor from Norse Magic & Beliefs | Viking Lore, Nordic Legends, and Spiritual Energy | "Of Course They Could Be Tree Spirits" - Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

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"$awbuck" Mike (00:01):
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.

"Headhunter" Higg (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.

Your consciousness does not need your
physical body to survive.

Thor (00:11):
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.
It's the coding that projectsthis world we currently live in.

I want you to read the Bible.

Thor (00:19):
We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race
.
Ideas are the highest form ofintelligence, and that leads you
to truth and clarity.
The Nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.
Conspiracy show.
It's obvious.
The aliens are god-fearing,insanely huge, or just one
planet?

Thor (00:38):
They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead
shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of
nl and radiation belt this isreal.

"Headhunter" Higgins (00:45):
They really did fake the moon.

The world is infinitely older than that and I
mean the world with humanbeings in it, skull and bones,
is like one of the villains inthe legion of doom, they said.

I'll let you read the bible the biblical
flood, the tartaria mud floodconspiracy and chill the
nephilim sightings are going tostart soon.
The bulldog ball I don't wantyou to read the bible.
There's magnets in thebasketballs.
There was a political party, athird party called the
anti-masonic party at a point inuh, in the united states, the

(01:35):
global pandemic treatyconspiracy and chill podcast.
I met this gentleman on a whimConspiracy and Chill Podcast,
thor, here from Norse Magic andBeliefs YouTube channel and,
like I said, I've watched it fora long time, so it was pretty
sweet to meet your brother andorganize this episode.
Thank you for coming on.

Thor (01:51):
Yeah, awesome, thank you.
Thank you for having me andcool to see you there.
And you won the whole thing.
You whooped everyone's asspretty easy.

It was a fun time.
I felt like the wrestling wasthe least fun part of that whole
journey.
I was hanging out with theEnglish team, got to chill with
Josh Barnett, eric Paulson, gotto meet.
You set this up so fuckingblast.

Thor (02:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I wasn't competing onthis one, but uh, yeah, I did, I
did All right.
I got third at the one a yearago, so that, uh, but there's
some good guys, as's a the guywho usually wins that I forget
his name, but he's uh, he'sreally good in my weight class
oh yeah, tough guys.

And one thing I observed there too is I
was like dude, most of theseguys here are like 30 and up.
Like all these guys like catch,wrestling is more of like a man
style, just like a brutalcompetition, and watching your
videos for a long time I knowyou've covered like norse uh
games and like tests of strengthand stuff like that.
Have you ever gotten into likeglema or the backhold wrestling

(02:51):
or some of the other uh, likenordic combat styles and
wrestling?
Because I'm a nerd for all thatshit.
I love it definitely I haven't.

Thor (02:57):
Um, I've just messed around with it.
I've studied the history, but Ihaven't gone to any uh clubs
yet.
Glea club there's a couple innorway and and a couple in
iceland who still do it.
I think in the us too there's,there's a couple clubs that
still do it.
There's.
There's different rule sets, um, but uh, yeah, I've just played
around with it and I think I Ishould do more because I think I

(03:20):
have a natural gift for that.
It's in the ancestral memory.
I'm I'm pretty crap when itcomes to defending the legs or
like these other types ofwrestling things, but when we're
just locking up in the clinch,like that, that's that's where I
do well.
So let's, let's see.

I hope I can train soon how come so many of
the strong men, the strongestmen in the world that you see in
those competitions come fromyour area of the world?
That's just dna right it's dna.

Thor (03:48):
It's changing.
I I think it's strong.
I've looked at this a lot.
I used to train a little bit ofthat myself, but it's um.
The dna is, of course, there,but you also need the lifestyle.
It's not easy and it's notcheap to be 400 pounds and be
lifting weights all day.
So it comes down to lifestyletoo.
And now it's just.

(04:08):
Scandinavia did very well inthe 90s and even 80s.
Iceland did well, but now othercountries are taking over, just
because it's getting tooexpensive to eat in Scandinavia.
So it's hard to get big there.

So you were born in Norway?
Now, because all this time Ithought you lived in norway,
just from the accent and likethe knowledge, and then seeing
you in california, that's whereI was like oh shit, like no,
it's not him.

Thor (04:32):
All right, let me just ask yeah, but born in the us, I
have both.
I have both citizenships.
I lived back and forth betweennorway and the us most of my
life, um yeah nice is, uh, theculture in Norway.

Do they take pride in the Viking
ancestry in like a general way,just like the average Norwegian
people like take pride or takenote of that, or are they kind
of detached from it?

Thor (04:56):
Yeah, not as much as you'd expect.
They all are proud when peoplebring it up, but most of them
don't.
They don't study much of thehistory.

That just kind of they believe the
mainstream media stuff that theyhear and then they they don't
do much more digging into itthan that so what caused you
then to go down the deep diveroute of you know the whole
magic beliefs, like your wholechannel magic, the gods, the
ritual practices, like all thatstuff super interesting.

(05:26):
But uh, were you consideredlike a weirdo for looking into
all this stuff?
Yeah, pierce.

Thor (05:31):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
Well, everybody thought it wasweird.
Um, because I've been, since Icould learn how to read.
I've been, I've been readingall that stuff and I mean I've
been really starting tounderstand the beliefs and the
culture of it.
So when I, when I got older, tolike teen years, early 20s, but
then nobody, yeah people, yeah,people just think you're weird

(05:53):
for that.
Until until Vikings the TV showcomes out, and now everybody
loves it.
It's cool to see the change.
Good TV show.

I've never actually really watched it
either but, I went through.
I was my whole life obsessedwith, you know, celtic warriors
and stuff, because most of myancestry, to my knowledge, was
all irish.
So I was just all in on thecelts, consuming everything I
could about irish or gaulish,like theology or their practices
, like the warriors and stufflike that, when I was probably

(06:26):
like 20 years older.
So I found out my last name inin irish meant viking.
So I was like, oh fuck, yeah,dude, I'm a viking you know
what's the last name higgins andin irish it was you again.
and it just translates literallyto viking.
But uh, both of my parents hadgotten the DNA tests.
I've never done it, theancestrycom or whatever, and it

(06:47):
turns out.
I have no actual Viking bloodin me.
It's basically like 90% Irish,a little bit of Welsh, Scottish
and Polish.
But yeah, that made me feellike my whole Viking obsession
phase was a fraud.

Thor (07:02):
Yeah, you never know.
Like I always say, the DNAtests aren't aren't uh, super
accurate.
There could be a lot morethings in there.
It's it'll at least be a littleright for the from the viking
settlement of ireland.
There will at least be some inthere.
How much, I don't know, but uh,yeah, there were, there would
be some at least do you have apodcast or just on your youtube?

do you like put your stuff on spotify?

Thor (07:22):
no, no, no spotify.
I've been wanting to start,wanting to start just uh, just
to speak to people.
You know, uh, that's uh, andnot so much motivation to to
start one myself.
I don't, I don't have thepatience for it, or the or the
yeah, yeah, all that stuff, butjust to speak to people like all
these, the most famous people,and learn from them, that would,

(07:45):
that would be just rewardenough by itself hell.

Yeah, that's been a really cool part
of this, and havingconversations like this with you
know people whose work I'veinteracted with for a long time
and consumed, so fuck, yeah, man, what kind of guests you have
all kinds of subjects.
We've had uh conspiracy likewriters, authors, uh engineers.
We've had quite a few fighterslike mike's an mma journalist,

(08:10):
or former mma journalist like helikes to say.
So there's a lot of crossoverwith uh like martial arts in
this podcast, but we've had likewe had josh barnett on it.
We had a couple old school ufcguys who are again just dudes
that I would love to talk to andlearn from and pick their brain
on and other far out views andI know that you and everything

(08:34):
that you study would make for agood guess and I'm sure you've
got some personal crazyencounters of your own that
can't be explained traditionallythat I would love to get into
as well.
Yeah yeah sure, well, I guess Iwill, will ask have you ever had
a what you would call, I guess,mystical encounter, whether it
was uh, through dreams, a vision, a trance, like out in the

(08:55):
woods and had some profoundexperience, anything that you
could, uh consider unexplainablethere's a, there's a lot.

Thor (09:03):
It's, um, no super magical things, nothing appearing out
of thin air, right, but it'sit's when we get into the states
of meditation.
Our brains are not wired.
It's.
It's part of why I believe, uh,ancient humans could see these
things and why they all hadfairy tale like stuff that we

(09:23):
never believed today, and whythey all had fairy tale-like
stuff that we never believetoday, and why they all had
closer experiences with the gods.
I think a simple answer to thatis they were much better at
meditation, if you want to callit the third eye.
They had a stronger third eye.
The DMT, the pineal gland intheir brain, was a lot more
active than ours is today.
Gland and their brain was a lotmore active than ours is today.

(09:43):
They were a lot more.
They had a lot easier timegetting to that meditative state
and experiencing these things.
So for us it takes a long time.
Some people it may take somehallucinogenic drugs, but for me
I don't.

(10:07):
I'm not a big fan of that.
For myself I haven't tried toomuch of it, but it's states of
meditation and doing it atspecific places in nature.
That's the old Norse traditionof sitting out on the burial
mounds to wake the dead.
I've done that quite a bit,meditating in these stone ships
they're called as well that aresupposedly supposed to bring you
into the underworld.
And then you have some randomexperiences.
Sometimes you're meditating andyou're just in your own bed.

(10:30):
There's nothing special aboutit, but it's something a lot
more than a dream, and it takesa bit more experience to tell
the difference between just aregular old dream and what was
some, some stronger spiritualexperience, whether you saw the
gods or you saw an ancestor orsomething like that in your

(10:53):
dream.
So I think everybodyexperiences those types of
things.
It's just that most peoplecan't tell whether they were a
dream or whether it wassomething more.

Awesome man.
That is something I definitelysubscribe to as well.
I kind of tried to mimic my ownlittle spiritual practice,
based off of Celtic stuff.
Many years ago We'd be out inthe woods for hours at a time
and going to the same spot overand over, whether it was to work
out or just meditate, do art,write, just hang out, and I

(11:24):
would swear I would get somelike trippy moments and I'd be
doing nothing, I'd be smokingsome weed but it would be like
everything froze around me oryou just can't really explain it
.
Or something else you made methink of is that like
trance-like state of mind.
I'm sure you've experienced itthrough training, combat or just
doing like conditioning withthe team or something, and it
feels like you're doing one ofthose like brother, uh, like oof

(11:46):
headnar, berserker rituals, andyou guys just go into like that
hive mind of just training andpushing through exhaustion, that
transcendental training yeah,yeah, exactly, it's uh, it's
what I focus most of myspiritual efforts on.

Thor (12:00):
There's some people who like the runes.
There's some people who getinto shama, shamanism type thing
, but uh, for me, I'm trying toget into that, that trance state
for training, for fighting.
Um, it's uh difficult, it's noteasy and sometimes it's random,
but there's some things we cando to help it.
It's it's like the flow state.

(12:20):
Everyone knows the flow state,but if you, if you can do a
couple other things, it's it'suh can be like way more powerful
than that if you actually getto that state do you believe in
cryptids?

uh, what do you think about aliens?
Just the typical likeconspiracy stuff we normally
give our guests like a littlerundown or like a conspiracy pop
quiz questionnaire yes, I don'tknow.

Thor (12:45):
I've been, uh, I've listened to a lot of podcasts
while I'm working this weekabout it as well.
Uh, like different dimensions.
Who's that guy's name?
um, billy, uh, billy carson ohyeah and he was uh, he was
breaking it down in a way thatmade a whole lot more sense, and
a lot of people are starting tospeak about this too, and even

(13:06):
some science to prove it.
Like it's not, um, I don't knowif I believe in aliens, but it's
.
We're definitely visited quite abit by uh beings from other
dimensions all around us, and,and the way he explained it is
uh, there is uh, mathematiciansand and scientists have shown is
that, like, we need 11dimensions, right, like we don't

(13:29):
know that there are, butaccording to some math equations
, something there's a.
We need 11 dimensions or elseeverything would cease to exist.
So they think, like, just outof like, yeah, there should be
11 dimensions, and then the waywe look at that is we can
perceive three, right, but twowould be like that.

(13:50):
So we can perceive two, butpeople or beings living in two
dimensions, they could neverperceive us.
So that's exactly what thefourth dimension is looking upon
us, and then the fifth and allthe way up to 11, and if you,
and if you add up all thosedimensions, we're one, two,
three, uh, that's our dimension,and if you add up to 11, that's
that's nine.

(14:11):
About what ancient humans wouldhave perceived the nine worlds
from norse mythology and manyother norse like mythologies
around the world as well, so I'ma big believer in that that's
right.

Where I was gonna go next is, like you
were mentioning before the uhencounters that the ancients had
, whether it was their mindtapping into another dimension.
Maybe the just the fact theywere closer with the earth and,
yeah, their, their abilitieswere more in tune, that they
were able to, almost, like,traverse through these other
worlds, and so do you think thatthat's where maybe, like the,

(14:43):
the dwar, the elves, the giants,the other mythical creatures.
you think they're in a dimensionjust outside of ours and
sometimes there's some bleedthrough, sometimes we can, you
know, mentally or astral projectthere.
Or do you think that therereally was like giants and gods
and whatnot on Earth, becausethere is evidence of giant
skeletons and whatnot found allover and that's something I love

(15:06):
looking into as well?

Thor (15:08):
yeah, definitely, definitely, uh, both.
I definitely believe giantsexisted as well, but, uh, the
giants in the north mythology isis something different.
We translate uh, uh they werecalled um uh to giant, but
that's not what it is.
The translation from old Norsemeans like devourer, the one who

(15:30):
devours things like that, orthe, so they're the devouring
beings and what?
Whatever dimension, whateverrealm that might be, and then
you have the gods, you have thedwarves, you have the elves.
Yeah, we don't know exactlywhat those nine dimensions were.
We know a few of them, but wewe know that there were nine,
but we don't know what they wereall called and what exactly
lived there.

(15:50):
Uh, the sources don't say that,but yeah, that's uh, definitely
believer in that, and they cantranscend into our realm at
specific times.
Um, and yeah, we can also,through certain rituals,
transcend into other realms aswell.
Every single culture believethat throughout human history.

So, yeah, I don't, uh, I don't see why we
should believe any different itreally does line up with pretty
much every ancient uh culture,kind of having shared principles
or stories and whatnot, justkind of retold over and over
something, though that would beappropriate to ask for this show
what is a uh conspiracy relatedto the vikings or just a common

(16:28):
like debunk thing that uh, youhear people perpetuating about
vikings or norse stuff oh geez,that's a lot, that's a lot
that's a thousand years of liesbeing told about them.

Thor (16:42):
I don't know uh, the one that's probably the most wrong
that I hear everywhere thatbothers me the most is their
treatment of women.
I think, uh, they were justrunning around raping women all
over the place and they didn'tcare about them and uh, taking
them as slaves and things likethat and sending the women out

(17:03):
to fight with them right, theshield maidens and things like
that.
But the women were the mostprotected of society.
We have so much more evidencethat that was true that the
women were like dozens, if nothundreds, of examples of the men
were going to start fighting Ifthere were women around.
Okay, women, get to the side,get out of the hall, get out of

(17:25):
the side of the battlefield,along with children and elderly
and the slaves too.
It was just the warrior class offree men who were supposed to
be fighting and they did.
Of course, there were badapples we have a few handful of
accounts of them being cruel towomen and things like that but
yeah, most of it was a.

(17:46):
It was a society that protectedwomen and valued them more than
anything else, and their rightsshow that they have the right
to own land.
They had a lot more more rightsthan anywhere else in the world
at the time too, so that'sprobably the biggest conspiracy
that I like to debunk uh, therewas probably the outlier lagatha
too.

Right, there was , there was probably.
You know, most women, as yousaid, probably did the
responsibilities that you said,but I'm sure there was the
occasional lagatha out there onthe, the front lines with the
men.
One of the things I wanted toask you, it's the opposite,
right, it's like I don't thinkthe viking culture gets enough
credit for this one, and that isthe belief that Columbus made

(18:25):
to the Americas first could you?
Talk about that a little bityeah, yeah, sure, so that's been
.

Thor (18:31):
Uh, yeah, they knew that for a long time.
They, they.
It was around the year 1000.
Uh, that, uh, the Vikingsdiscovered America.
They had settled Iceland 100years before that, maybe
Greenland 50 years before that,but right around 1000 they
discovered the North America,specifically like Newfoundland,

(18:52):
canada.
They called it Vinland, butthere was also another one, a
couple places there.
They got further south, almostto like New York area as well
that we know of, maybe evenfurther south.
But yeah, they, we have theliterary sources that show that
Eric the Red Saga is the mainone and yeah, they settled there

(19:14):
for decades at least.
And then we also havearchaeological finds.
The biggest one is onNewfoundland.
That.
So, yeah, we know for sure theysettled there.
That just kind of got lost andFor a thousand years.
So they think Columbusdiscovered at first.
But yeah, when people in the1800s started Re-examining these
old sagas, they said, okay,yeah, the Vikings did discover,

(19:37):
okay, blah, blah, blah.
Well, that might not beaccurate, but the then in the
1900s, they discovered, uh, thearchaeological remains on
newfoundland.

So we know for sure that they did there's
evidence that they made it asfar as wisconsin and minnesota
isn't.
There, I believe they foundlike glyphs and whatnot yeah,
yeah, there's the.

Thor (19:58):
Uh, there's a runestone, it was, it's, it's largely
kensington, runestone kensingtonthat one's largely been
debunked as a fake one.
But yeah, I think there's beenother archaeological finds far
in to Wisconsin and even someevidence that they made it all
the way to South America, Ithink don't quote me on this,

(20:21):
but it's like specific genesthat they found in south america
, and specifically like areddish hair gene that came from
scandinavia, that that waspresent in places in south
america that they don't knowwhere it came from.
Yeah, it couldn't have comefrom the european settlers, like
many hundreds of years later.
So that's yeah, and we alsohave uh, voltan, uh and, I think

(20:45):
, mayan or aztec culture thatsounds like incredibly similar
to odin.
So it's little traces like thatthat they maybe even made it
all the way down to southamerica, but that's just
speculative the red-hairedgiants is always a thing too
when we're talking about, likethe, the hidden archaeology.

Almost always, the giants are described
as having reddish hair and sixfingers, just being huge.
And uh, are you familiar withthe channel?

Thor (21:12):
uh, old world florida no, you've seen any of that that's a
guy who focuses.

We're gonna have him on the show
actually monday.
His work is a lot about, uhlike, like you were saying, vik
Vikings coming to America or whowas settling in America, but
mainly Florida, whether it waslike ancient Israelites or the
Irish or natives Vikings.
But his whole idea too is thatAmerica was like some holy land

(21:38):
or like remnant of Atlantis orsomething.
Have you ever looked into theVikings having anything to do
with you know lost tribes ofIsrael or Atlantis and stuff
like that?
Because those are trails thatI've went down myself and it's
super interesting.

Thor (21:52):
I haven't researched it too much.
I see comments all over theplace about it.
The Vikings are really fromIsrael.
They are the lost tribe of Dan.
Those are the Danes.
I don't know where they getthat from.
Um, nothing in the northsources that shows any of that.
But yeah, they're.

Yeah, I haven't done too much research
on it otherwise yeah, a lot ofthe idea is like their heraldry,
or they say that they, thevikings, fulfilled a prophecy or
whatever, that they were thelast ones to become christian
and they were terrorizing their,uh, their fellow european
brothers for a long time, orit's something along those lines
.
And then, yeah, the, the dan,the danes, denmark, sweden,

(22:33):
founding places like, uh,donegal in ireland, and they
just always try to equate thingsthat are around the name dan or
don or something like that.

Or the.

Danube River or the Tuatha de Danan
stuff like that, that they tryto say like oh well, this was
the tribe of Dan, and I don'tknow.
People also attribute thatbloodline or whatever, like
proposed lost tribe, assomething to do with aliens or
Nephilim or reptilians too.
So it kind of ties back to thered-haired giants.

(23:03):
So yeah, when it comes to comesto like the Celts and the
Vikings, a lot of people put alot of stock and it is pretty
well backed up.
I think you'd you'd find someinteresting stuff if you look
into it.

Thor (23:13):
What time period is that coming from?
Like the dumb tribe and and theorigin, uh origin of all that.

So I'm not a, uh, super biblical scholar,
but I think that that would belike when these people were
scattered from Israel.
These tribes would have been1000 BC or so.
Like before, well before theRoman Empire was, you know,
fighting in Gaul and stuff likethat.
And that's why they think, likewhen all these people spread

(23:41):
out and people started forming,like the Scythians, the
Germanics, the Celts, thatbefore that there was a
dysphoria of the Israelites thatwent missing.

Thor (23:50):
Yeah, yeah we have.
The Prozeta is the number onethat the gods, whatever they
call it, the gods came fromThrasia.
So it would have been likemodern day Turkey area and Odin
was a grandson of Priam, theTrojan king and that would have
been right about 3000 years ago.

(24:10):
And then he migrated toScandinavia.
And then another one,Heimskringla, that's written by
the same author but he kind ofcontradicts himself.
He says that the gods came fromArsalan.
Then, like, geographically itwould have been north of the
Black Sea, near the Caucasussomewhere, and then they came
into Scandinavia and brought allthe wisdom and spiritual

(24:32):
knowledge, that kind of stuff.
So that's a couple of thingsthat might get somewhere closer
for that.

Yeah, I think it does kind of line up
and I know people have said whatwas it?
You said us here or ussomething to do with.
I know people propose it to be,uh, azerbaijan, which is right
there in the the caucasmountains too and there's
evidence that that's where, youknow, like the progenitors of
indo-european, indo-aryan peoplewas from out there and kind of

(25:01):
spread out like the the blacksea.
It became the scythians, becameall these other races.

Thor (25:07):
Yeah the scythians are also.
They're they're an amazing uh,that's a lot ton of history.
We know a lot when we seetraces of their culture.
I I think I think scythian,original, true scythian culture.
They they migrated to thegermanic areas and it persisted
in the Germanic areas longerthan anywhere else.
But we find traces of it evenScythian DNA and Scythian

(25:31):
culture as far as like Japan.
So they really traveled likehell and I've been doing a lot
of research on that.
But there's so much more tolearn.
The Scythians are the real,real, amazing ones.
I think they're super badass.

Most people don't even know who they
are.
Yeah, a lot of people don't knowabout the gals or anything like
that either.
So it's just I don't know.
I feel like there is a cover-upin a way, a lot of the things
that, uh, we're talking about.
It doesn't.
They don't want it to be outfor whatever reason.
And when it comes to, uh, youknow, exploring your ancestry
and being proud of who you are,that's kind of just suppressed

(26:07):
in general nowadays too, ordiscouraged by mainstream or
whatever.
Uh, trendy, divisive attitudeis rampant.
But you guys get what I'mtrying to say they don't want us
.
They don't want us to be proudor connected to who we are,
because it's a lot easier tosubjugate and control someone
who has no connection tothemselves or their ancestors.

(26:28):
Make for a nice globalist slaveyeah, yeah, completely yes.

Thor (26:32):
It's happening everywhere and it's uh not the first time I
tried to do that divide andconquer been going on for 3 000
years at least, but uh, yes, uh,at least on a wider, more
advanced scale today, whatthey're trying to do you
mentioned billy carson.

I?
Um been doing a lot oflistening to him too.
Recently he was on rogan and Ilistened to that and he?
Um he mentions a lot about allthese different ancient
pre-diluvian cultures that havewritten about what he believes
are extraterrestrial encounters.
Is there anything like that inthe Viking lore, where they're

(27:10):
communicating with space gods?

Thor (27:13):
It's difficult.
I don't know.
I haven't done so much researchon it, I don't know a whole
bunch about it.
The main ones they're referringto right is the Anunnaki
Anunnaki, is that, how do theysay it?
Yeah, um, so I I thought for along time that that was the, the

(27:33):
giants from norse mythology,the yotna.
They, uh, they have a lot ofcommon similarities to it, uh,
but the more I read about it,the more they sound like
something else.
They sound like, uh, they'remore people or beings who came
to the world to help them, help,help people, right and they
brought them some technology orwhatever, some spiritual powers.

(27:55):
So that sounds more like thedwarves when I, when I do a bit
more reading into it.
But I might change my mind onceI I'll go on a big, uh big
research on the sumerian stuffand all that uh, unnaki stuff
and, uh, I might change my mindonce I learn a little bit more
about it have you guys?

obviously, mike, I know you are, but are
you familiar with like themissing 411, like people going
missing in the woods and stufflike that or in national parks,
just the disappearances?
Apparently, majority of them,they say the majority of the
people that go missing there arelike largely germanic dna.
It's just a weird thought too.
What if they are transportingto the Dwarf Realm or to the Elf

(28:35):
Realm or something?

Thor (28:37):
Yeah, and they've.
Yeah, they know, I mean there's.
Yeah, what's his name?
Yeah, billy spoke about that aswell.
Like there's portals, there canbe portals in some places, and
Stonehenge is one of them too.
There's a lot of people whoreported missing from there and
even like people, there's a lotof people who reported, uh,

(28:58):
missing from there, and evenlike some flash, it sounds crazy
stuff.
Uh, people don't want tobelieve it, but, um, and when it
happens over and over and overagain, specifically at certain
sites in nature, you gotta studythese things.
They probably are, theyprobably are studying these
things, but they're not tellingus, the general public I think
that, uh, this is something I'vebrought up a couple times.

I think the standing stones, or even
like giant trees when they werearound, basically act as like a,
you know a conductor or aportal so they could more easily
access those realms or opensomething up and communicate
through, whether it wasstonehenge or other stone
circles, other really tallstanding stones or burial mounds

(29:35):
.
And it makes sense when peopleare all into you know, crystals
and the new agey people, or evenour radios and cell phones and
stuff, use crystals and mineralsas conductors.
So it makes sense, like thetallest tree gets struck by
lightning.

Thor (29:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, have you been to any of those in
Ireland?
I haven't a lot of those stonecircles I want to go to, but I
haven't been.
I've been to any of those, uh,in ireland.
I haven't, uh, a lot of thosestone circles I want to go to,
but I haven't been.
I've been to stonehenge oncebut uh, I don't think anything
else.
I don't know.
Do you notice anything there,anything special about those
places?

oh yeah, man.
So when I went last year wasactually the first time I went
and it was kind of just becauseI always wanted to go and
connect and do all that type ofstuff and I wanted, wanted to be
there on Halloween, becauseHalloween was, you know, like
the Samhain.
The original pagan traditioncame from Ireland and like
that's the day where you knowthe dead or your ancestors are

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closest to this world and theveil was the thinnest.
And that's how I ended up doingthe catch, wrestling world's
tournament and meeting Josh,meeting the snake pit people
that I went to go wrestle withwhen I won that tournament just
happened to fall on the daysthat I was already planning to
be in Ireland and that was inEngland, just literally a
one-hour plane ride.
So I was like, all right, Iguess this is just going to be
like a spiritual journey, hero'sjourney, type of deal.

(30:46):
So I went out there and I madeit a point in my rental car to
go drive to like it was likeSkyrim.
I was going on the map and likechecking off all these sacred
sites, like go to these mounds,go to these stone circles, go to
these standing stones, andhonestly I had all of those.
Just that was like my last weekbefore the tournament was just
going to these sites and doinglittle workouts there.

(31:07):
I did a couple of like bodyweight exercises and, like we
were talking earlier about thattrance, that meditative flow
state, whether it was justbecause I was connected to the
land or whatever, I entered somepretty wild states of mind out
there and just felt the, youknow, the vigor of the sites.
And then I went to thattournament and I dominated.
I probably had the best, bestperformance I ever had and I do

(31:29):
credit it a lot to going tothose sites, just feeling the
energy of those sites, whetherit was in my ancestry or those
sites were on these ley linesand they were meant to be
conductors and stuff like thatthis other guy we had as a guest
.
You may have seen him before.
He's a big stone lifter.
He's getting pretty popular now.
His name's indiana stonesbecause he goes around uh,
finding like mythic liftingstones, testing stones.

(31:51):
And he said he was at the.
It was called the cucone stone,where this legendary warrior
supposedly tied himself up tofight enemies till his last
breath.
So he died standing instead ofon his knees and that was
supposedly the stone that hetied himself to.
And this stone lifter guyvisited that stone just like a
day or the same day that helifted his heaviest stone ever,

(32:12):
and I was there like two daysbefore I had my best wrestling
performance ever.
He's like yeah, this siteundoubtedly gives power and I
believe it, dude I believe it.

Thor (32:20):
Yeah, I felt some things, but how long do you think that
lasts when you, when you go tothese places?
Yeah, how long do you feel theeffects for?

I'm not sure.
I know I'm going back toengland, though, so I got to try
and get that same boon statuseffect going again.
Go visit all these sites andhope that the few days is enough
, but I don't know, maybe it'spermanent.

Thor (32:39):
I hope it's permanent because I felt pretty good sense
yeah, I'm hoping, hoping that,yeah, I've tried some of these
things.
In some of those places I feelgreat, amazing, like say, like
you said, like that trans statefor a couple hours and then
maybe the the effects a coupledays, uh, positive after, as
long as I don't overdo it.
Sometimes I overdo it and thenI feel like shit the next couple

(33:01):
days.
But, yeah, I wish you could,there were these places you
could go for power that wouldlast a lifetime.
I was just wondering if younoticed anything like that so I
have a wild counter too.

When I was coming down from one of these
sites, and it was the day beforethe tournament, it was called
like a cairn.
It was like a big burial moundon top of like the tallest hill
in the area, just like thousandsof stones, and I was wandering
around up there for a while.
It was super tall.
Steve Hill too.
It took a while to get up.
As I was coming down, there waslike groups of people going up.
In the very back of the linewas the old dude just stood out

(33:35):
to me immediately with a hugewhite beard, just looking like
gandalf, and I'm like dude.
This guy looks like a damndruid, like straight up, and I
get to him and he goes.
Now you are the man of all menamong us and I was like dude,
this is like a I just got theblessing from the druid.
Now I'm just gonna beateverybody, so I hope that that's
the permanent level up statuseffect.
But you said you feel likeyou've overdone the energy of

(33:56):
these areas.
What kind of sites are youtalking about?
Are they in Norway?

Thor (33:59):
Yeah, yeah, there's one place called Merlin Um, like a
bear.
There's grave sites and shipburials they're going back to
the bronze age even and you justfeel electric.
There's just so much powergoing on.
So then I overdo it a littlebit.
I should probably work out for15, 20 minutes warm up for some

(34:19):
workouts later that week, but Ijust keep going for hours and
hours, don't get tired and uh,yeah, then then I just feel
crappy the next, the next day.
Another one is uh boy, yeah,I've felt that, um, really
amazing.
There's that big, uh, vikingfestival there, just electric,
like more energy than I can everget anywhere else, like the

(34:40):
strongest pre-workout you canpossibly have.
But then, uh, yeah, overdo it alittle bit, drink a little too
much maybe, and uh, yeah, feellike shit for a week after you
said stone boats or stonecircles and little groves and
whatnot.
Yeah, yeah, they're all burialmounds, basically Badass.

Imagine what it would be like to throw a
Gleema tournament there.

Thor (35:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be good.
Maybe I'll speak with them, seeif we can do something like
that.

Speak with the spirits.
Ask permission.

Thor (35:11):
Yeah, yeah, or the festival arrangers, both of them
, are them probably good idea?

I would say so when it comes to, like
nature, spirits or, you know,spirits of the land, kind of
like we just alluded to, do yousubscribe to that?

Thor (35:26):
yeah, sure, that's, that can be.
So much the the, the ones weknow from north.
Mythology, um, is pretty uh, uhspecific.
They've, they've given themlike, uh, specific appearances,
like in iceland specifically,there were four main ones land
spirits protecting the wholeisland like a dragon or serpent,

(35:47):
uh, stone giant, an eagle, um,I think, a bull, something like
that.
But then you see, like smalllittle references to them, uh,
in folklore, scandinavianfolklore, uh, they, they usually
come up as like, uh, likemanifested as animals, but of
course they could be treespirits.
So I don't know if there, ifthere's anyone out there that

(36:09):
doesn't believe that trees havea spirit or consciousness, then
I don't know what to tell them.
There's so much evidence outthere science now that that
shows that trees have aconsciousness at least.
So, um, there's that.
But the specific ones tied tothe land too, we find that and,
um, yeah, even rocks, even rocksand burial mounds.
There's different kinds ofspirits, there's probably

(36:31):
thousands of different ones, butthe sources only give maybe a
dozen different examples wouldyou consider yourself a modern
day pagan then?

or what would you call yourself
spiritually?

Thor (36:43):
yeah, yeah, sure, uh, we, we just started calling
ourselves norse animists.
That's that's what I, uh,that's what I subscribe to.
Then it's the animism, the ideathat there's spirits or
consciousness and everything innature, and, yeah, that
describes our beliefs a littlebit more more than just pagan

(37:05):
polytheistic subscribers to thatreligion.

I love the memes and whatnot.
You talk about the LARP pagans,the cringe pagans.
That shit is hilarious.

Thor (37:15):
Yeah, those are the ones I'm talking about.
They're the, they're the one,they're.

They're the polytheists, they're the
ones worshiping the marvel comicbook characters as gods I mean
literally and like we were kindof talking about earlier, like
pretty much all cultures havethese, you know, truths or
stories and principles that theykind of all share, and as long
as someone is getting somethingout of it and they're not being

(37:39):
cringe and just making up stuffas they go.
and who knows, maybe we're allkind of making up shit and just
adding what's useful and takingout what's not, but I think
there's a lot of truth in allthe, you know, noble and
honorable ancient traditions.
There's a lot we could learnfrom them.

Thor (38:01):
Yeah, they were barbaric as shit shit, but that was what
the time called for.
Yeah, sure, and let's say it'sabout wanting to learn.
You know, everybody at the endof the day has to force form
their own beliefs.
We can't, we can't, force ourbeliefs on other people, but, uh
, as as long as they're willingto learn and, and you know, pay
attention to the sources we haveand the things we know, and
also pay attention to what othercultures in the world believe,
they were not all that different.

(38:22):
There's nothing unique aboutthe norse to other cultures.
We, we all believed similarthings.
If we go back in time and ifpeople start to examine the the
actual, primitive spiritualbeliefs of different cultures of
the world, instead of just whatthis book says or what they
were taught about inchristianity, then then they all
kind of come to the sameconclusions eventually yeah,

(38:45):
well put and I think that, uh,you can kind of be dialed back
again into.

They don't want people digging into their
roots, they don't want peoplelooking into you know things
that will empower them, orspiritual truths, and by they we
mean you know the powers thatbe the, the globalist, the
shadow government the enemy.
Yeah, for 2 000 years, longerthan 2 000 years, doing the same
thing do you think we areleading up to some ragnarok uh

(39:10):
battle of good, good and evilforces like because I know us
and a lot of listeners arealways looking at the world
through a good and evil lens.
Do you see it that way?

Thor (39:21):
Yeah, history repeats itself.
The same things we're goingthrough now it repeats every
thousand years or so.
There's a big thriving ofcivilization and then there's
you can even look at what issaid about Lagnarök all the
things that happen.
There's brother fightingagainst brother, there will be

(39:41):
three years of winter, therewill be, yeah, like volcanoes
and earthquakes and things likethat before the society, and
there's a lot more in therethat's a bit more symbolic that
we can tie to today.
So I think, if you look at thesymbolism, probably half of the
things have happened leading upto ragnarok so far.

so, uh, yeah, we're probably about halfway
there why were the vikings sogood at building boats and
navigating the world when really, when I think back, it was the
vikings and the minoans?
They were really the twocultures that were able to, you
know, circumnavigate the world?

(40:23):
Do you think that they learnedit from, maybe, the minoans, or
do you think, I mean, I don'tknow where do you think they got
that knowledge from?

Thor (40:30):
yeah, they're, uh, exactly about 2 000 years apart,
exactly what I was speakingabout.
There's a thriving ofcivilization every every couple
thousands of years, before alittle collapse, at least.
Um, so that that was the bronzeage.
The Minoans, they were, uh,yeah, really amazing and what's
what else.
The uh, like the sea peoples,they were called around that

(40:52):
same time.
That's that sounded a lot like,uh, yeah, the vikings as well,
but it's, of course, 2 000 yearsbefore.
Hey, I don't know about, Idon't know so much about, uh,
naval navigation, but, um, theyuh, there were trade routes,
like very strong trade routes,going between the mediterranean
and scandinavia at that time,around the Bronze Age, around

(41:15):
the Minoans.
There was lots of trade ofknowledge and products and
things like that.
But then there was some sort ofcollapse, the Bronze Age
collapse, and then the Celtsreally took over.
The Celts really took overmainland Europe and they stopped
that trade route for somereason.
We don't know why, but the, thetrade stopped between
scandinavia and the yes yes,mediterranean, and then it

(41:38):
opened up again to, uh, to amuch larger degree right before
the viking age.
So it could be that theylearned it from there as well.
Yeah, I'd, I'd believe thatit's.
It kind of pops up out of outof nowhere, their expansion into
that.
They knew how to sail, ofcourse, and they were always
great sea, see people.
But, um, yeah, it pops upspecifically in the Viking age

(42:00):
at a huge scale you guys heardthat they might have been the
Phoenicians.

The Phoenicians was like an early
seafaring, uh trading peoplethat are also attributed to, you
know, being from Israel orgalilee, like just above, uh,
jerusalem and whatnot, and thereis a lot of evidence of that.
That they were like the mastertraders and sailing all over.
Their ships really do resembleviking ships.
They were some of the firstpeople to write I guess that's

(42:26):
where we get our alphabetsupposedly like phoenician, and
then some people would say thephoenician like just becomes the
finish.
The phoenician and Finnish areessentially the same people and
that's where they ended up andthey gave their sailing culture
and passed on all the everythingto build the boats and just you
know how to get around theroutes down that way.

(42:47):
Some people also think I'm sureyou've heard of it before that
there may have been a landbridge between Scandinavia and,
like Scotland and England andstuff.
I can't remember what it wascalled, but I remember watching
something about that, that orthat there was a bridge that
would sometimes appear, whetherit was mythological or it was
just above the surface before itsunk.
Maybe that some people thinkthat was atlantis or hyperbole

(43:07):
or something hi, brazil was moreoften to the atlantic, this one
would have been connecting uhlike norway and scotland I know
dogger land that's, that wasconnecting kind of like
netherlands to england, uh, butthat was that.

Thor (43:22):
That was, uh, I forget when, that's, that's many
thousand years ago, when the sealevels were so much lower.
Uh, well, yeah, we don't.
Uh, yeah, it could be, could bethat's.
I haven't looked at the sealevels and what uh what's on the
floor there betweenscandinavian and sc and Scotland
and that stuff.
But it's not far either.
It's not a.
I mean you could take a shipand row to the Scottish Isles in
a couple days.

(43:42):
That's not too far.
People could have done thatalso thousands of years ago.

If you could go back, if you had like a time
machine and you could go back toany one moment in history to
witness it firsthand.
What would that be?

Thor (43:59):
oh boy, I mean I'd probably have to say the
pyramids, but uh, if, if, uh,just to keep it, yeah,
scandinavian, I'd probably go tothe bronze age.
I'd go to uh.
Yeah to the.
I'd go to yeah to the.
There was a big battle in thenorth east of Germany, tollensee

(44:26):
Battlefield, and that wasprobably the most epic battle
that ever happened in the north,and that was right around the
collapse the Bronze Age collapsetoo so I would really like to
know just what was going on inthe world around that time and
what that battle was like.

That's gnarly, that's very gnarly.
So you are into the pyramidstoo.

Thor (44:45):
Yeah, sure, I haven't done so much research on it, but we
all want to know how those werebuilt.

Yeah, we do.

Thor (44:53):
What was exactly there?

Yeah, we definitely do do.
Yeah, I tend to think thatyou're right about right all
that.
And I've heard of dogger landbefore.
Uh, I don't know why I've heardof that before, because I don't
really look, look into um, thatkind of information, but it was
in mythical or it was.
It was 100 fact.

Thor (45:10):
Right, it was real yeah, yeah, yeah, it was not uh
necessarily a country.
There might have been somepeople there, but it's, you
didn't still see it.
Today, if the sea level drops Idon't know what 20, 30 meters,
it unearths like a whole, yeah,almost the size of the
netherlands itself.
Uh going, going from thenetherlands over to, uh england.

(45:32):
So uh, people lived there andit was a migration route too.
I forget how long ago it was.
It might have been, it mighthave been just after the last
ice age.

It might have been that long ago, I can't
remember man, all the all theculture and just all the all the
technology that you know we wehad on this planet, that is
underwater right now and justprobably never to be seen or
used again, is just mind-blowing, you know and what?

Thor (45:58):
what have they?
Uh, uh, what's the?
What's the percentage of theseafloor?
They've, like uh, donediscoveries on like less than
three percent, something likethat.
So how much else could be downthere?

do you consider yourself a man of the
sea?
Do you like going out on boatsand stuff like that?

Thor (46:15):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, it sucks.
This is the first time in mylife I've lived away from the
sea.
I just moved to Denver, so Imiss that a lot.
But yeah, we'll get back to it.
We'll get back to it, that'sfor sure.

It.
Yeah, that's.
Uh, we'll get back to it.
We'll get back to it, that'sfor sure.
It fucking tweaks me out, dude.
I've only been on like cruiseships and then you know like
little boats or canoes orwhatever on lakes and stuff, but
just not being able to seeanything but water, what's
underneath me, and fucking seamonsters and shit, it tweaks me
out for some reason yeah, yeah,I like it.

Thor (46:45):
Yeah, have you always lived, uh live there in chicago
or away from the coast?
Yep, it's yeah.
Have you always lived, uh livethere in Chicago or away from
the coast?
Yep, it's a big.

Lake.
You can.
You can feel like you're in thesea there, oh for sure.
Waves too, for sure.
So, being in Denver, uh, wejust drove through the whole
state, cause we're from Illinois.
We drove to Vegas and back, andyou go through the rockies, and
I mean there's just so manyplaces that are said to hold
spiritual powers, whether it'sfrom the natives or or the hopis

(47:17):
.
Is that something that you'velooked into, or that you might
plan to look into, since you'regoing to be in that area?

Thor (47:23):
yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, I go to these places
.
There's um like of the Gods.
I really love Red Rocks.
We had an amazing.
There was like 15 people thatcame in, non-norse people, but
Heilung was playing there.
You probably know Heilung.
They played there right on fullmoon, seegerblut, which is like
the victory, the start of thesummer, where they would do a

(47:46):
sacrifice to victory, and thatwas an amazing experience.
I felt like I was levitatingthere I was so that that's a
sacred place there and that'slike I go there sometimes and
there's.
There's other places too.
Yeah, I don't think it's thatmuch of an existing uh community
here of the the nativeamericans.
Um, I know they're around, butI don't think it's so much of a.

(48:09):
I think it's mostly the New Age, like white women who cut
cultural appropriation stufflike that.
But I think there's probablysome good people around here too
that are doing the legit stuff.
So I'd love to do that, get inlike sweat lodges and maybe even
like other rituals they do.

But I think you have to go a little bit more
north for the, for the properstuff, like Wyoming or Montana,
I think one of our former guests, brooks Agnew, believes that
there is a Nephilim currentlyliving in Colorado Springs, so
maybe you could check that outif you're ever bored one weekend
.

Thor (48:48):
Yeah, I'll go there in a couple of weeks.
I got a fight there, so that'san excuse to go.

Nice, an MMA fight, kickboxing fight.

Thor (48:57):
Kickboxing Badass.

When is that bro?

Thor (49:00):
The 22nd.

Of this month.

Thor (49:04):
Yeah, yeah.

Badass.

Thor (49:06):
That's the first time I'm going to be in Colorado Springs
Awesome bro, do you compete inMMA too?
Yeah, that's what I'll be doing, maybe this summer See if we
can get an MMA fight.

Sick.
I really think we should dosome organizing of some Gleemar,
some traditional wrestling,some badass shit like that.
I don't know if you've seen.
I have a wrestling promotion.
It's called Wrestling Wars andit's it's some fun stuff.
We do catch wrestling.
We've done tag team catchwrestling.
We do Irish collar and elbow.
That's like the folk style ofwrestling from Ireland that I'm

(49:41):
helping try to revive.
It died out a long time ago.
There's the Scottish backhold,which is also like that's one of
the norse ones right where youlike you lock up the upper body,
clinch and you can't let go.
It's just trips and throws fromthere.
So we've had matches under that.
We've even just dabbled in uh,foam weapon sparring.
That's like an overtime roundlike whoever hits each other in
the head with the foam weaponand yeah, it would be pretty

(50:03):
sweet.
I'm gonna be in ireland and uklater this year and hopefully
organize some good stuff forshit like that.
Imagine it down the line, somesacred ground Glema tournament
or something like that would bea sweet collaboration.

Thor (50:16):
Yeah, we'll stay in touch, see if that's good.
That'll be a good idea.
There's clubs around.
I think there's one.
I think the main club in the USis in South Carolina, north
Carolina, something like that.
There's some small clubs hereand there, definitely Norway and
Iceland.
You'll find people there.
They can help organize it, I'msure.

The Icelandic gleam is pretty cool
too, where it's like the beltand pocket hold on that harness
and they're spinning around.
You said you've tried it.

Thor (50:45):
Yeah, yeah, I like it.
I love that stuff.
The lay take away the legs andI'm and I'm a good wrestler legs
in there.
I suck, but it's, it's cool.
You see every, almost everyculture in the world that did
some wrestling, which is almostall of them.
It was all upper body stuff.

(51:06):
You don't see a lot of goingfor the legs until wrestling in
the past few hundred years.
Um, all these ancients and andtribal, uh, wrestling stuff.
They would, uh, it's all upperbody stuff, like holding, and
it's because of weapons.
It's battle training.
If someone dives in at yourlegs, you can take a sword and
like stab them right there, butif it's upper body, you have a
little bit of control if he hasa weapon.

(51:27):
So it's, I like it.
I think it's much more, muchmore natural, much more.
Yeah, genetic memories are inthere 100, 100.

I've always gravitated more towards
the upper body, clinching andthrowing as well.
Do you have any uh desire to dosome of the night fighting in
the armor with the blunt weapons?
And because I know I definitelydo yeah, yeah, yeah, sure
that's.

Thor (51:48):
Uh, I got friends that do it here.
We'll see.
We'll see that's a lot more onthe table.
My training schedule is prettybusy so people always try and
get me to come and train thatstuff.
It just takes too much time toget good at it because I don't
want to go in and suck.

For sure.
It's a lot of money and gearand whatnot too.

Thor (52:07):
Yeah, lots of money too, yeah.

So you're mostly focused on striking right
now too, but do you do any purecatch wrestling too, because I
know you competed in thetournament.

Thor (52:17):
Yeah, yeah, I'll still.
I do jujitsu twice a week andtry and wrestle as much as I can
, but yeah, mostly striking now.

I like that there was actually, you
know, people who were catchwrestlers at josh's tournament
like that is not a thingbasically anywhere else, and it
does feel like you're doingsomething more.
Uh, you know, storied and goingback to like the black and
white coal miner wrestling daysof england and I love jiu jitsu
too but there's a lot of thingsabout the culture that I just

(52:48):
can't stand.
Like I said, catch wrestlingseems much more like a man's
pastime.

Thor (52:55):
I know what you mean.

Maybe it's just the spirit of the old
black and white mustache fuckingtough man dudes too.

Thor (53:03):
Yeah, right, and it's cool that catch wrestling was a big
thing in England.
That's really where it's wasdone most If we go back a
hundred years, but then therealmost no people do wrestling in
England these days.
That's a two.
I would like to see that comeback.

Dude, that's the snake pit.
They're like the one remnant,like that's where I competed.
That's the team I went with andit's kind of a life mission for
me to go to Ireland and teachmy lifetime of wrestling as well
as try to bring back that folkstyle of wrestling the collar
and elbow, and that's prettymuch what I'm going to be doing
later this year.
What's?

Thor (53:41):
the collar and elbow.

It's a jacket style.
You can actually maybe kind ofsee it in the black and white
picture behind me.
They're wearing like a weird,like harness or something there.
But yeah, so it's a shortjacket.
You hold the collar, you holdthe elbow and neither guy can
let go.
It's just like the back hold.
If you let go, you uh, it's thesame as being taken down and
then it's just trips and throwsfrom a collar and elbow grip

(54:04):
yeah, yeah, like that, like that, funny, funny.

Thor (54:08):
How many different rule sets they most people today.
They know freestyle, folk styleand greco-roman, but how many
hundreds of different rule setsfor wrestling are there
throughout the world?

dude so many and, uh, you'll like this.
So I guess greco-roman isactually nothing to do with
greece or rome, they just pickedthat name it was.
It was made by a german guythat was living in france, so
you could call it likeFranco-German wrestling instead,
the one that I was going to tryand make up because, like I
said, I run that league and somepeople didn't like the backhold

(54:39):
grip one.
I love it personally and otherpeople did, but I was like what
can we do then?
People don't really like Grecothat much either.
What if you started with theback hold and you combine it
with other styles of, likenorris and celtic wrestling?
We'll call it, uh, calto norriswrestling and make it like a
hybrid upper body with trips, noleg grabbing, maybe add a
little circle to push them outor a belt to grab or something.

Thor (55:00):
it's in the works yeah, yeah, awesome sounds good.
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, if I come to chicago, Iused to go there every year, um
every, but I haven't been therefor a while now.

Well, if you ever are, that'd be sweet to
meet up train and maybe I canlure you in with a brutal
Norse-European-themed wrestlingmatch one day if this event
keeps growing.

Thor (55:22):
Yeah, yeah, perfect, that sounds good.

Can I ask what do you do by trade?

Thor (55:28):
Well, now, for the past little over a year, I can do the
YouTube full time.
The YouTube doesn't make muchmoney, but it's the online shop
that helps the e-commerce, andthat's what I've done.
I've taken some freelance jobsnow like marketing specialist.

My master's is in business, that's what I went
to school for, so I did salesand marketing jobs since then
very cool and I saw, um, one ofthe things that it looked like,
uh, that you, that you sell, is,uh, it's like a drinking horn.
That thing looks so cool.
Man, seriously, I don't evenreally drink, but I want one
just to like hang on my wall.

(56:08):
It looks so badass yeah,there's a few.

Thor (56:10):
there's a few different ones, they're all cool.

I got to get on your level.
I got my YouTube channel too.
Any tips for a less than 1,000subscriber channel to try and
hit those numbers?

Thor (56:21):
I wouldn't even do it anymore.
Youtube's not worth it.
Even mine, the time I put in isnot even worth it.
It was great like it's the.
The time I put in is not evenworth it.
It was great youtube's heydayfrom what like 2010 to 2020 one
or two, I'd say and it wasreally easy to grow fast.
It was easy to make some goodmoney on it, but now it's like

(56:41):
it's impossible.
The tick tockification of theworld is happening.
People getting dumber, theirattention spans getting lower.
They don't, uh, yeah.
So views have gone way down.
They're watching the shorts andand youtube's payouts are less
too.
So it's not even yeah, Iwouldn't.
But if you want to besuccessful at it, do the shorts
and just do something.
Things that piss people off andget them fighting in the

(57:04):
comments.
But uh, yeah, I don't, uh, yeah, I don't want to do that.
So, so I'll keep doing what I'mdoing.

Yeah, I mean you pretty much just
confirmed what I had thought.
I don't want to have tospazzily post viral moments and
stupid stuff like that all thetime.

Thor (57:21):
Yeah, unfortunately, Unfortunately, that's where it
is.
We'll see though.

People respect genuine stuff, though,
and I think that's why yourchannel is awesome.
You got great info.
I've always loved it.
I'm sure that other people willstill see the value in it, even
in a tiktok brained era.

Thor (57:37):
Yeah, yeah yeah, the loyal , loyal followers, definitely
that's.
That's a cool thing to have 170000 subscribers now almost, but
there's like maybe like 3 000regular viewers that most videos
will get, so that's all rightdo you get recognized for your
channel often yeah, just uh,just like viking festival and

(58:02):
stuff like that nothing not, notin the regular daily life oh
yeah, anything else you want topromote or shout out or where
people can find you, what you'reworking on no, they can.
They can check out norseimportscom, uh, if they like.
That's my website.
Um, it's lots of vikingproducts and things like I'm
going to be carrying swords andstuff too for people who like to

(58:24):
fight, training swords, and um,yeah, we're we're starting a
blog now too, and I want it tobe like a a really uh good place
for academic research as welland anything norse or germanic
or northern european.
So I'm gonna be creating a blogthere that'll have all these
academic articles on there, andanyone can uh can send one in

(58:47):
too.
If they're interested inwriting uh for us, then that
that's help at norseimportscomif they'd like to uh write, and
we can, of course, give them ashout out and put links to their
businesses or whatever badass.

Any other listeners, be sure to check out
thor's channel, his page, hisproducts.
Well, uh, we'll stay in touch,brother and uh should be out,
should be out pretty soon andwe'll send you the link.
Tag you and everything yeah,you're promoting the show on
instagram yeah, yeah, yeah, Ican.

Thor (59:15):
I can send some people there too.
Just send me the link andwhat's it?
Was it on again?
Is it on um?
Are you, is it a apple podcastor was it spotify?
I?

think, yeah, it's not everything.

Thor (59:25):
And youtube youtube as well.
Okay, good, good.
What do you think's the best ifI, if I, was starting a podcast
?
What do you think is the bestplatform?
Is it, uh, to grow it and showit to new people?

definitely.
It looks like we get most ofour views and downloads from, uh
, spotify, and then apple isreally really close behind it.
Those are the one and two.
Now spotify has this thingwhere they do spotify podcast
now, where it's video as well.
Um, since we have just kind ofstarted with that whole thing,
we haven't done that, but ouraudio, our full audio, is up

(59:59):
there, but that's another avenuetoo.
It's it's really growing, man,especially if you already got
that audience.
That's something you might wantto, you know, think into doing,
because you would crush it, bro.

Thor (01:00:08):
You're like you would be perfect for it yeah, well, I was
always wondering, like, whatit's like, because youtube it's
so easy to just scroll right andyou find new things.
But uh, I I don't know if it'sthat easy on spotify, are people
on there like uh, scrolling andand just clicking on some stuff
and that's how most of themfind you, or do they?
Do they find you in other ways?

"Headhunter" Higgins (01:00:28):
I think, we get recommended, it'll pop up
for you or something, okay,yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:00:36):
It helps having a decent artwork that actually
it's just similar to having anice thumbnail on a video.
It draws people in.

Thor (01:00:46):
Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, think about it, that'd becool.
So let's have tips.
We can speak again sometime,maybe 100% man.
Are you going to go to thecatch wrestling in August?

I'm hoping , I'm really hoping.
I've been kind of scramblingfrantically because, as you know
, grappling and martial artsdoesn't always fucking pay the
bills.

Thor (01:01:04):
And.

I barely made it out to that tournament.
I was super injured in thattournament too.
Like made it out to thattournament.
I was super injured in thattournament too, like my elbows
still up and uh, I waseffectively going with one arm
that day and I'm supposed tocompete again in england in
september.
I'm trying to do a tournamentin ireland in october.
Uh, you know, bilal muhammadhe's fighting for the

(01:01:25):
welterweight title.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:01:26):
Yeah, so that's my friend I train with him a lot
and uh that fight is inmanchester, uh, at the end of
july.

Thor (01:01:33):
So I was gonna maybe try and like weasel on the ufcs down
or fly out to england oh, yeah,yeah, yeah, they let you bring
like five, six people with youfrom the team, exactly, so then
I could be there watch the fightand then I'll already be in the
region of the world I need tobe in and that saves me like the
biggest cost of all.

So I may or may not already be like in
Ireland and UK at that time, butotherwise I do plan on being
there because that one's thenational one.
I'd love to come win that andhang out with Josh and whatnot.
But, do you know the exact datefor that?
Are you planning on?

Thor (01:02:05):
doing it August 18th.
I'll be in Norway then.
So that's the.
That's the big viking festival,so I'll be there then, so I'll
miss that, but he usually willhost one in december.
I really like the one indecember.
Um, that's a good time.
A lot of good guys come out forthat and it's kind of end of
the year.
Can can, uh, compete and then,in good conscience, get drunk

(01:02:28):
and party for the next two weeks.

Hell yeah, it's awesome.
Maybe, when you're at thatfestival, plant the seed of the
wrestling in the future.

Thor (01:02:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna speak to them.
I'll speak to them.
See what they.
See what they say cool brother.

Well, thanks for doing it again.
Enjoy the rest of your nightyeah, yeah, I'll speak soon.

Thor (01:02:46):
Good to meet you both so if there's any audio issues.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:02:49):
totally my fault , guys.
I apologize.
My interface kind of took acrap on me there.
I was recording redundant, soeverything should be okay, but
in the event that the audiowasn't up to par, totally my
fault.
I apologize and I will dobetter next time.
Thor surprised me because Ididn't know that he lived in the

(01:03:10):
States.

Yeah, same .
When I met him at thetournament I'd always thought
that he lived in Norway.
When I had seen him, you know,on his videos and stuff, I think
at least partially he was.
Or he said when we were talkingthat he would, you know, spend
time between the two throughouthis life.
And I just happened to run inthe other actual viking, josh

(01:03:34):
barnett, and met him and went upto him and sure enough it was
him and had a good conversationwith him.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:03:41):
I'm sure that's not the last time I'll see or
talk to him so, yeah, I wantedto ask him how, how big he was,
like, how tall are you?
But I was having all thoseaudio issues.
So I I really kind of it how,how big he was, like, how tall
are you?
But I was having all thoseaudio issues, so I I really kind
of it kind of escaped my headbecause I was so worried about
making sure a week, you know, Iwas getting it.
So how big of a guy is he?

I would say he's probably six, two or so
and maybe six, three.
Good size yeah, probably like alight heavyweight, maybe like,
if he cuts super hard, probablyget to like 205, 185, but I
would say probably naturally 220, 230, maybe Big guy,

(01:04:20):
middleweight, light,heavyweight-sized guy.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:04:23):
Wow yeah, he looked like a big guy.
He looked like a big oldViking-type dude For sure.

Yeah, he's really knowledgeableosh is
massive and I got to grapplewith josh and yeah, that's a
heavy ass dude who knows whathe's doing for a lifetime at the
highest fucking level.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:04:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, grappled plenty of big dudes but
usually never the skill and thesize that that high level you
know yeah, usually one or theother yeah yeah, that's got to
be difficult dude, someone thatbig and and that's strong and
talented what if you came acrosssomeone like that in the life
or death battle?
Back then like oh shit yeah,you gotta have your fucking long

(01:05:01):
sword although some like inroman armies and other like
polished.

You know, I guess soldiers more so than
warriors, but even warriors too,and I guess you'd say what's
the difference between a soldierand a warrior?
I think a soldier is, like youknow, like a drone in a, in a
well-rehearsed army, and thewarriors more like defending
their shit, the rebel, theirarmy, or, you know, they're
defending their nation, and theother one's more of like an army
or warriors, more just, likeyou know, savage, fighting in a

(01:05:32):
way different spirit behind it,dude, completely.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:05:35):
We have it so easy nowadays, dude, like, yeah,
like we, I talk a lot about howit's a shitty place the world
today, but we still doesn't meanwe have it.
We have it pretty fucking easy.
Um, yeah, I liked how he talkeda little bit about the vikings,
kind of with vinland coming toamerica not really getting
credit for it, because that'ssomething that I have looked

(01:05:57):
into a little bit and, uh, youknow, the kensington runestone
that he brought up, I knew aboutthat.
Uh, that's just something that,man, I've always been really
interested in and I've evenheard people make the argument
that the Vikings got all the wayto the Grand Canyon.

Yeah, I mean, why not?
Who's to say where they couldhave stopped and if their boats
could have sailed through abunch of rivers and waterways
and whatnot?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:06:22):
Well, that's the thing.
If they made it to Minnesota,why couldn't they make it
another 700 miles, Like you knowwhat I mean.
If they made it that far, whyare they stopping?

I'm not a topography or geographical
expert.
I don't know what rivers orcanals or whatever run that far,
but for sure you could havemade it through Canada to like
the Great Lakes and shit.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:06:48):
Yeah, no, that's the way they say that.
They made it it through.
They say that it's like allinterconnected, you can go
through like new york and havingdriven through the rockies
recently it was a nightmare,with modern day machines and
roads and shit I can't imaginewhen it was just nothing but raw

(01:07:08):
terrain and woods dude, dudehow do you?
even know you're going, yeah Imean, yeah, well, yeah, how,
first off, how the fuck do youknow where you're going?
And second off, dude, thosemountains.
Dude, like, there's nothinglike it, like what a terrifying
thought, just to be like.
Just to wake up one day and youclimb the highest mountain peak

(01:07:30):
and all you could see, 360degrees, is just mountain peak
after mountain peak aftermountain peak, dude, that's.
It's like the movie alive.
It was about the paraguay, therugby team that crashed in the
andes in the 70s and they endedup having to eat each other to
live, to survive, until rescue.
Um, but it reminds me of thatbecause they were crashed in the

(01:07:52):
top of the andes mountains and,um, a couple of guys made it
out.
But, dude, yeah, the.

I guess that's just the will of the
human being, the will to surviveyou know you can climb out with
me in my uh ireland later thisyear might get that passport.
I think I have family overthere too.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:08:12):
I have, I know.
I have family in england forsure, um, and I think I have
family in ireland too.
But yeah, it's funny because mygrandmother comes from a little
town in england calledcockermouth.
Funny, I know I know, it's alittle fucking crazy little
village town and I've never beenthere.

(01:08:35):
It's in the Cumbria districtand what's crazy is I was just
looking at my DNA, since wetalked about that a little bit
with Thor Every now and then,I'll just kind of check it,
because occasionally it changes,not that my DNA changes shit as
their database gets more robustthen they're able to kind of
pinpoint things.
So in ireland or scotland rather, I'm 25 scottish, 32 italian.

(01:08:59):
Those are my two biggest ones.
I'm from the dunphy and galdunphy and galloway that's the
area that my family's from inscot.
So yeah if anybody's listening,I know we have at least one
dedicated listener that is fromIershire I think it's pronounced

(01:09:20):
because every episode I seeboom, that dedicated person.
So we appreciate you, weappreciate all you guys, but you
in particular.
Scotland, yeah, yeah, nice,yeah, who knows who it is, but
we appreciate it guys shout outto them, yeah definitely you
guys know the drill.
um, give us a five-star reviewon whatever platform.

(01:09:41):
You're listening to us on afollow on all the social medias.
I am at sawbuck mike mrheadhunter higgins, not mr
headhunter h.
Mr Headhunter Higgins, not MrHeadhunter Higgins, just
Headhunter Higgins.
And yeah, you could follow theshow as well at Conspiracy and
Chill on all the platforms.
Shoot us an emailconspiracyandchillyahoocom.
And yeah, you should do allthose things.
But definitely, if you want tobecome one of the first members

(01:10:04):
of the Conspiracy and ChillSyndicate, you can do so by
clicking the support button andhelping out for as little as $3
a month.
If you don't want to help outfinancially, no worries.
Like I said, you could shoot usa five-star review.
Those things really do help andthey have been creeping up
slowly but surely.
So thanks again, we doappreciate it.
Stay away from pedophiles.

Thor (01:10:28):
Thank you, I'm out.

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