41 | Trez Mala | Comedy, Witches, and Supernatural Encounters | "If The Devil Wants To Recruit You I Don't Think He'd Send A Witch" - Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

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"$awbuck" Mike (00:01):
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.

"Headhunter" Higg (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.

Your consciousness does not need your
physical body to survive.
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.
It's the coding that projectsthis world we currently live in.
I want you to read the Bible.
We got reptilians just outsideof our frequency zone.

"Headhunter" Higgins (00:22):
Six dimensional beings, the ancient
builder race.
Ideas are the highest form ofintelligence, and that leads you
to truth and clarity.
The Nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.

Conspiracy show it's obvious the aliens are
god-fearing and insanely huge.
We're just one planet.
They would have needed aminimum of six feet of lead
shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of
nl and radiation belt.
This is real.
They really did fake the moon.

The world is infinitely older than that
and I mean the world with humanbeings in it, skull and bones,
is like one of the villains inthe legion of doom, they said.

Trez Mala (00:57):
I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the
tartaria mud flood conspiracyand chill the nephilim sightings
are going to start soon.

The bulldog ball.
I don't want you to read thebible.

Trez Mala (01:08):
There's magnets in the basketballs.
There was a political party, athird party called the
anti-masonic party, at a pointin uh in the united states, the
global pandemic treatyconspiracy and chill podcast we
have our guest for today, trezmala.
We are going to be talking alltypes of things.

(01:29):
He's a stand-up comedian, ringannouncer, tour guide, fellow
long-time conspiracy theorist.

Thanks for coming on, bro yeah, man, thanks
for having me.
Guys, it is a.
Uh, it's a pleasure to talk tolike-minded folks Always.

Trez Mala (01:45):
Yeah, For those who aren't familiar with you, we're
kind of getting to know youright here, right now too.
What got you into eitherannouncing or stand-up or, like
you said, off-air talking into amicrophone?

It's kind of weird.
For some reason I was somehownever afraid to talk in front of
crowds, in front of people.
I mean, I do know kind of theorigins of where that happened.
My grandfather was a deputyprobation officer, so he worked
in the camps with the boys, youknow, before prison.

(02:17):
But they couldn't be there, youknow, they're in that in
between 16, 17, going into adultstuff.
So they had these camps and mygrandfather was.
My grandfather was a director,and so every Thanksgiving we
would go up when I was a kid,you know little guy, we would go
up to the camp, we'd spendThanksgiving together up there,
eat with all the people, all theyou know the convicts, I guess,

(02:40):
and he would always go up onstage and do this big talk and
my grandpa was a, you knowjuvenile delinquent himself, and
so he really felt like he washelping out the kids and he was
on the level, so they had a tonof respect for him, you know.
And um, he would take me up onstage and he was, you know,
talking, and one year he waslike making fun of me when I was

(03:02):
on stage and he was gettinglaughs and uh, I just remember
going.
Oh, you know he gave me themicrophone.
He goes what do you think,spike?
You know that was my name as akid.
He'd call me spike, yeah, and Ijust go oh, don't listen to him
.
This is just my bald-headedgrandpa and the whole place, I
mean it's probably like 500 guysroared, just I mean all in

(03:24):
unison, and I like looked atthat and I was like I don't know
what just happened, but I'mhooked.
So I've always like I've neverhad a problem like talking in
front of a crowd after thatbecause, like I knew, I knew,
like I don't know, somethingmagic happened right there for
me, you know.
And then I was influenced by afew other people as far as

(03:45):
comedy.
But I didn't look at it ascomedy, I looked at it as a way
of like communicating, you know.
Like I looked at it as a way oflike this is how you have to
talk, this is how you have toexpress yourself.
You know the facial expressionsor whatever.
And it was comedians that Ilooked at, you know.
And so my whole life I'vealways had people be like oh,

(04:07):
you're a comedian, oh, youshould be a comedian, or usually
if I'm getting in trouble, it'soh, we got a comedian over here
.
You know that kind of thing.
So after hearing that so manytimes, a guy came up to me one
time.
He's like, dude, I'm going toan open mic as working as 21 or
20, um, and he goes, I'm goingto an open mic.
He goes, uh, you should comewith me, you know.

(04:28):
And I go what's that?
He goes, it's where comediansget started.
And I go what?
He goes?
Yeah, just, they got a bar,they got a microphone.
Usually there's people thereyou could tell jokes and you
kind of figure it out.
I go, you, you don't have tohave an agent, you go, you got
to build up to that stupid.
You know, I was like I didn'thave no idea about anything.
So I went up and, just, youknow, bombed until, uh, it

(04:49):
started working.
You know, here we are over 20years, is still telling jokes.
I'm like a sewing machine theneedle's going up and down but
nothing's happening.
So I like doing it.
But that led me into the truthcomedy.
You know there's truth in comedyand the thing about comedy is
like I can't get into uh, comedythat has like false information

(05:15):
or you know, like here's thething that turned me off and I I
used to really like bill burr,but during the whole shutdown he
was just like pro mask and proall this stuff and I was like,
bro, you read like, you are anintellectual, you are smart dude
, you know how to scan the roomand you're buying this bullshit,

(05:35):
checked out, you know what Imean.
Like I can't follow anybody oranything or pay attention to it
if it's not like, if it's notbased in reality, if it's not
like the real thing.
You know what I mean.
If it's not, uh, fact.
So it's like mainstream comedyfor me was like really rough,

(05:57):
because I'm watching people justrecite shit from the news, you
know, and I'm like that's allbullshit, like, and.
But then they get laughs andthey move up, you know, because
they're playing in that game and, um, you know, I noticed one
thing that, like I go in theserooms I do really well as far as
comedy, but I don't get bookedor rebooked unless I'm like with

(06:17):
a certain comedian or crowd orsomething like that.
But um, I do notice that, likeall the people that get booked
in these clubs, their socialmedia, they don't say shit.
They don't say anything.
Pardon me, I'm allowed to cussright oh, please, yeah probably.
I've probably done it like amillion times already and now
I'm worried about this one, butuh, they don't say anything,
they don't have their, theirthat or their like total.

(06:40):
You know, milk toast about it.
And um, it's funny is whenpeople meet me they're like oh,
dude, you're a lot more chillthan your social media.
I go what do you mean?
My social media is fine, dude,it's chill.
Like, just put down facts.
You know I am a little bit moreharsh on the Democrats, but I'm
a political atheist.

(07:00):
You know I grew up, uh, in myhouse there was a republican and
a democrat and they're bothlike you vote for whoever lowers
your taxes.
Then I had people I wasmentored by coming up and I'm
like what do you want?
The mumps are the measles whenit comes to politics, you know.
So that's always been my takeon it.
Can I ask you a question?

yeah, uh, I've always fancied myself a big
stand-up comedy fan too.
In seventh grade I uh watchedgeorge carlin's live in new york
stand-up.
It was 1993 and boy was Ihooked.
So, uh, my question to you iscarlin seems like a guy that was
way ahead of his time too.
Right, you could watch his shitfrom the 90s and it's like it's
exactly what's going on now.
And you mentioned some of yourcomedian idols and I was

(07:43):
wondering just who were some ofyour comedian idols when you
were younger, kind of growing upuh, for stand-up comedy right
off the bat richard jenny,richard jenny, yeah, um, yeah,
he, uh, that's that's how Ithought you had to talk.

You know, that's how I thought you had to like,
speak and present yourself, doact outs and stuff.
I I really thought the world ofthat guy.
It's really sad how he ended.
But other stand-ups, you know,I heard one of the very first
comedy.
My grandpa had tapes, you know,but it was Red Fox and it was in
Vegas and it was all I rememberwas he was a motherfucker, you

(08:22):
know, just dropping, justussing,calling a bit a chick, a bitch
and a cunt, and people werelaughing and I was like I'm like
you can, you can say that andnot get in trouble, like, listen
to this.
So that like opened my mind up.
But, um, I like bill hicks whenhe was, when I was a kid, you
know, and I just liked himbecause he was angry, I mean, he

(08:44):
was talking about stuff thatwas over my head, you know what
I mean, and uh, but I liked himbecause he would like he, he
could just go from hot to coldand in a second, you know.
But, um, one of my biggestinfluences is, uh, is there's
two and they're not comediansand I mean in everything in my
life.
But uh, benny Hill, I'm a hugeBenny Hill guy.

(09:08):
That guy was, if you want totalk about, a creative, uh
genius.
He wrote everything.
He wrote the music, he directed, he produced.
He, you know he was a bit of a,he's probably on the spectrum
and shit, but uh, he dideverything, you know, and he was
really loyal to his crew andhis people and also like the

(09:29):
audience, like the audiencewasn't necessarily the same but
he knew the audience.
So if someone was in thererecording and he didn't
recognize the face, he'd be likeI I hate to be a bother, but
you gotta go and go and you knowI admire that.
But Benny Hill was, and still,a huge influence in how I just

(09:50):
view the world and come and thenthe, the singer from Mr Mungle,
mike Patton.

Oh my God Faith no More too.
Yep, one of the best yeah.

Yeah.

Fucking creative genius.

Yeah, best, yeah , yeah, creative genius, yeah,
uh, I mean that guy in in hiswhole band, uh, from bungalow
and fate, no more, all thebranches and stuff that went out
, all the creative stuff, um,you know, really opened me up to
a lot of things.
And and, um, that guy, that guy, to me I really like what he
did, because he had a band, hehad this group and then then he

(10:23):
got in this one group and wentcrazy mainstream success and
then he was just like, yeah, no,I'm back down in the creative
zone and he tried to bring allhis people up and he did a lot,
you know.
But that dude wasn't afraid ofanything.
So I was like, if this guy isable to do this, you know why
can't I do it with?
You know how I think and feel.

(10:46):
You know how I think and feel,you know.
But there's a lot more tocomedy than it is.
Uh, as far as working with thegroup, I mean, there's a lot of
dynamics, but it's a it's atough day, it's a tough gig,
dude.

Trez Mala (10:57):
It's a lot of to wade through you know, I'm sure and
something that I had wanted to,you know, bring up in this
episode, and you already kind oftouched on it that being a
comedian led you to the truthand I'm thinking, tell me if I'm
right or wrong.
Being on stage and, you know,like manipulating the crowd and
like you know, influencing themto laugh or like get their

(11:19):
opinion on a thing, did thatkind of being able to do that as
the comic on stage, did thatgive you kind of like a
perspective to see how politicsand other stuff and other people
could manipulate the masses?
Like pro wrestling or comedystyle is that?

oh, yeah, uh, dude 100.
Um, I'm a huge wrestling fan.
I'm not like numbers andstatistics that I I just like I
look at comedy.
Oh, and another thing that I'mI'm really into I fucking love
televangelists, I love the, Ilove the big.

(11:54):
You know, because you talk aboutsorcery or you know a craft of
of, you know for real owning acrowd, manipulating the crowd,
and and I mean masters,youda-da-da, I mean masters, you
know, and unfortunately I thinkthey are using it for evil.
But in a lot of sense I can'treally say but from the looks of

(12:15):
it, from what the people aredriving up in and from what the
pastor's driving up in orwhatnot.
But I love, love.
I always look at, uh of, I'm avirgo and one of the things that
I I I've always been able to dois get a good read on a room.
I improvise a lot of my comedy,you know, based off the room

(12:36):
and interaction and stuff.
But, um, I'm able to kind ofget a read for a read for the
room and stuff.
But I've also am able to hearthings that that are stuff
that's being said.
I'm able to hear the otherthing that's being said and
that's really helped me out likeand understanding politics and

(12:56):
stuff.
And then when you look at it,when you look at like politics
as, as gerald salente I thinkhe's the one that quoted it is
showbiz for ugly people, right,and you get into it is all just
like professional wrestlingwhere behind closed doors, in
the steakhouses, they're attheir kids' lacrosse games or
whatever they're doing at theirprivate schools and shit.

(13:18):
They're talking or their littleeyes wide shut, parties and
shit, but they're doing stuffbehind the curtains and then in
front of one another, they'reover there like, acting, like
they're chasing around like Tomand Jerry.
You know, I see all thebullshit.
You know, and I've, I've Ican't say I've read everything
cause I haven't, you know, butI've read enough.
And then I have my own personalexperience and just my

(13:40):
intuition to be able to look andsee things and just be like
this is bullshit.
Like I was, you know I'm luckyI was from an era that you, I
was raised to think for yourself.
You know what I mean like, andI also you know I I grew up, uh,
around a lot of gangs, around alot of hustling and thieves and
backstabbers and you know allsorts of shit.

(14:01):
So you know, just taking thatand just looking at the world,
you, you know, it's just likeone of those things so many, so
many stuff has just been provenwrong in our lives, and one of
the ones, like, when it comes to9-11, people would be like, oh,
people can't keep those kind ofsecrets people can't keep
motherfuckers.

(14:22):
Keep secrets, dude, to thegrave.
Okay, people keep secrets.
You know how many fucking youknow how many chicks you're?
We're around, all right, theyhave a fucking kid by another
dude and another dude's raisingit, thinking that's his kid.
I mean, dude, it is ridiculous.
And they, they will even godown being caught acting like

(14:43):
that shit.
I mean, I see this stuff allthe time on these little court
clips and stuff, dude, where thepaternity tests come up.
But you see it all across theboard.
That bitch is keeping her mouthshut and that other dude is
keeping his mouth shut.
You know what I'm saying.
So it can happen.
I'll tell you what man it'slike.
If you find that bag of allthat money in the desert,

(15:05):
they're like what are you goingto do first?
And everybody's like, oh, I'mgoing to do this, I'm going to
do that.
The fucking right answer iswhat money you?

Trez Mala (15:13):
know what I mean.

Right.

That's how you got to trade it.
What fucking money, dude?
So that's how I look at itthrough the lens that I have in
looking into politics, or I'mlooking into politics and stuff,
especially as a comedic, as acomic.
You know, it's a bit like amagician.
You're looking for the angle,you're looking where the, the
sleight of hand is, you know,and it's in words, it's in uh,

(15:37):
you know, it's an expression,and one of the things is that
everybody should learn is uh, befamiliar with is the book rules
for radicals, um, by SaulAlinsky, and it's.
It's the handbook for thedemocrats and basically the
number one thing that they doand it's right out there is you

(15:58):
blame your opponent for whatyou're actively doing right.
So is there's right now, aswe're looking at this whole
thing with uh.
Trump's a dictator.
He doesn't want to get out ofoffice, he doesn't want to do
this, he wants to, he wants tosilence his political opponents,
he wants to do all that.
What are the democrats doingright?
Oh, he's going to crash theeconomy and start world war
three.
What are they doing, you know?

(16:21):
so, yeah, we see a lot of thatblaming, yeah, and his admission
yeah, yeah and you know, umtrump has his hand in in that
inflation bit, with that wholesigning off all the money checks
for the uh, for the covid.
You know I mean, what are yougonna do when you dump what?
Seven trillion dollars into theeconomy?
You know, you see what is goingon in Venezuela right now.

(16:44):
No, what is it?
They're dumping their cash.
It's like Weimar Republic.
They're showing trash bins,people just chucking their bills
in there like fuck it, it meansnothing.
Who knows, dude?
They've been talking aboutthose people being eaten.
They're damn fucking zooanimals and shit, dude, they
just want to usher in the worldcurrency, the world digital

(17:06):
currency.

You know that's coming sooner than later
and it's gonna be a.
That's it.

It's not good yeah, they're trying, they're,
they're pushing on it on everyangle, you know, and um, they're
, you know they're.
Everything is everything's allin a concerted effort.
What did that creep dude that,klaus schwab?
He was a.
It was going to be a poly, likea poly attack or something.

(17:33):
A poly, something meaning manylevels of, from financial to
weather, to power grid.
You know, all sorts of stuffjust happening at once.
And then here we are.
It's like a big crescendobuilding up to it.

Trez Mala (17:45):
You know yeah, it's hilarious.
I think that, uh, one of thefunnier things was during the
pandemic the national coinshortage.

The coin shortage, yeah yeah, how
ridiculous is that?
Yeah, it's trying to get awayfrom the whole cash thing, you
know.
And um, uh, I heard that thebig thing a lot of people were
complaining a bit at theolympics, not only about the
migration stuff and the and theviolence and all that, but it
was the.
Uh, they weren't trying to gocashless with everything.

(18:15):
A lot of people were like, fuckthis and they, they left, they,
like they bailed on theolympics just because they made
it like impossible.
You know, majority of peopledon't want to go cashless, so I
thought that was beautiful.
It's not really talked about onthe news, but neither are the
riots in Britain against theMuslims and the Brits or I can

(18:36):
say Christians, I guess but theygot some hometown violence
going on right now.

Trez Mala (18:41):
Yeah, I've been seeing some of that, yeah, and
the Olympics are letting all mydesign too,

what's that, uh, the olympics are
letting dudes, full-grown men,punch women in the face too, so
that's a kind of a reason.

Oh, yeah too yeah, and you do.
You see, like there's so much,there's so, um, I'm one of my,
one of my buddies is, uh, samtripoli.
I don't know if you guys arefamiliar from Tinfoil Hat, yeah,
yeah, so you know, I waslistening to one of his episodes
and this is something that meand him talked about quite a

(19:13):
while is, what's going on rightnow is they're throwing out so
much stuff from both sides righton the same thing.
So it's like people within ourcommunity, the conspiracy
community, whatever the peoplewho question things, there's so
much stuff going on.
So, like we have this boxergirl right.
We got this guy girl right.

(19:35):
So I mean, fails a gender test,fails, uh, you know, a
testosterone test, but then theyshow pictures of her dressed as
a kid or a girl, as a child,you know really young.
And then there's like all thisback and forth and stuff.
So it's like we really don'tknow.
But then it's coming out.
It was like no dude that didn'tpass the the test, it's, it's a

(19:58):
dude, you know, and it it'scarried its way all the way to
the finals, right, they'resupposed to.
And it's two dudes, two dudeswho are fighting, right, for the
female championship.

Who saw that?

Trez Mala (20:12):
coming right yeah in the Olympics too.
Right, I could see that.
Put that in your chest too.
All right, pull down your pants.
Do you got a dick?

No, Okay, I guess, but then they have
pictures.
They have pictures of thesupposed girl as but the, the
girl wearing a male cup andmultiple different pictures in
training and stuff, and it waslike and it shows against, uh,
females, they don't have the thesame protective gear.

(20:41):
You know, there's a belt thatgoes around their their belly,
but they don't have the sameprotective gear.
There's a belt that goes aroundtheir belly, but they don't
have that.
Or their midline, but theydon't have that big coconut unit
in the front.
It's just more of a I don'tknow.
You know that little I equateit to.
You know that little rubberbumper that you can buy on the
infomercials that you putbetween the stove and the

(21:02):
counter.

Trez Mala (21:10):
That's what they got going up the front right there.
It's about a little strip, youknow, keep all the trash out.
There was a.
There was a female groin shotin one of the last ufcs where
they stopped the fight becausethe girl got kicked in the
crotch.

I was like I've never seen that before it's
gotta hurt, I'm sure I mean, ifyou think, if you think about it
, I mean I've, I've, uh, youknow I've slapped my wang on
some on the girls, like ow, damn, like, damn it.
I'm like, oh, I thought I go, Iwatch the pornos.
They do a lot to put baseballbats in them, things, dude, you
know what I mean.
Like just stomping a mud holein that deal.

(21:38):
You know that that's the thingreal quick.
Just a little side note I hateit when I hear uh comedians they
all do the same joke,especially if they have a
daughter.
They're like I want my daughterto be lesbian.
And I'm like, do you know howmuch domestic violence that they
have?
I go and have you seen lesbianporn?
You see what they do to eachother.
I go, some guy, unless he's gota damn table leg for a dick,

(22:00):
ain't doing shit compared towhat the foot's not, and that
they do in those lesbian porns,you know.
So you know what I mean.
Like you might want to rethinkthat.
You know you, people try to beall trendy and shit.
Dude, I'm like I mean what?
They have a 73% divorce rate,lesbians, dude.

And then and then if the woman does hit
your daughter, you can't doanything as the father.
So you have to go look for thefucking boxer right To beat her
up.

Yeah right, oh dude.
There's a good indie wrestlingthing where it has this chick
smack this dude and he's justlike ah, and he goes, he walks
out the ring, then he comes backwith a wig and a dress and just
tees off on her.
Dude gets her in the cornerslams her power, bombs her and
stuff.
Yeah, dude, that's, that's goodwriting right there, you know,

(22:49):
but yeah, there's, this is somuch crazy shit how it got you
guys started into conspiracy andand and looking at them, what
was the first thing that turnedthat?
That made you think like thisis all fucked up?

Trez Mala (23:01):
I'll go because I've told this multiple times.
I got accredited to some WWEwell, wcw rather.
When I was little and I was abig Goldberg fan and I was like
super hype on Goldberg, I triedto watch his title fight against
Kevin Nash when he wasundefeated and made my parents

(23:21):
buy the pay-per-view.

The record.

Trez Mala (23:24):
Oh yeah, and I was real little so I knew no better.
I thought it was 100% likelegit sport, you know.
It wasn't fixed in my head andI fell asleep and I didn't get
to see the result.
And the next morning my dadtold me.
He's like oh no, you fellasleep.
Scott Hall came and stun gunnedGoldberg and like knocked out
the ref and then dragged him ontop of Goldberg and they counted

(23:48):
one, two, three.
He lost.
I was like no, that didn'thappen, no way.
Like no, no, that's whathappened, I was like seriously,
like that shouldn't count, likeno, I was like devastated and
ever since then, oh dude youwould have been traumatized if
you saw that live dude.

You're lucky you fell asleep.

Trez Mala (24:06):
Yeah, you had a good bad news breaker Right.

Oh dude.

So yeah, so you were like there's a hidden hand
after that, huh 100%.

Trez Mala (24:16):
And then I guess, just like teachers and hating
homework and them telling melike if you don't do this, it
was always just like a negativeconsequence, so you're going to
end up like going to jail,you're going, don't do this, it
was always just like a negativeconsequence so you're gonna end
up like, and going to jail,you're gonna end up this or that
, just because I couldn't focuson my math homework.

Yeah, yeah , for me it was uh, I've always
been interested in like, uh,aliens.
I remember watching alienautopsy.
I was like 11 or 11 years old,12 years old, but you know, back
then there was no internet soit was like it left me thirsty,
so I'd literally look inencyclopedias like for like
Abominable Snowman, bigfoot,like, get anything.
I could, you know, go to thelibrary, get books.
And then a part of it too was Isaw what my family believed and

(24:55):
I didn't think that they werevery smart in their decisions,
contrarian, and that kind of ledme down the path too to just
seeing alternative points ofview and seeing how limited
everybody else's point of viewwas.
And I didn't want to be likethat.
You know, I didn't want to beso sure of what you can't be
sure of, you know, and just kindof evolved, you know, and as

(25:19):
time went on it's gotten moreextreme.
I guess you can say, but yeah,that's pretty much my origin
story.

Have either of you guys had like a paranormal
or a extraterrestrial type ofexperience or sighting or
anything A?

Trez Mala (25:38):
handful, a handful None.
That was extremely crazy,profound.
I'm convinced and pretty sureand I had my friend with me that
we saw a dog man at one of themost haunted like woods around.
There's a cemetery around wherewe live called bachelor's grove
and it's it's very haunted.
I don't know if you've everheard of it, but it's.
It's pretty infamous for beinglike full of weird, ghostly and

(26:01):
otherworldly activity.
It's got a lot of lore aroundit and, yeah, we saw some weird
like hunched back but two-leggedbig black figure in it and it
was winter so you could seepretty clearly, with the snow on
the ground, a big black messlike sitting there and moving
and we ran.
It was pretty scary.
I've seen some weird orbs andlights, the house across.

Nothing like that could have been a bear like
at a hibernation not inIllinois, yeah, it was.

Trez Mala (26:29):
It was a big weird.
It looked like it was liketwo-legged, crouched over,
almost like just like a massiveperson.
Even it could have been a hugeperson wearing like a big black
ghillie suit or something, atthree in the morning at a
haunted woods, in the wintermaybe.

But we were there to see some scary shit.

Trez Mala (26:47):
Other than that, I've had my fair share of like.
I worked as like a guy who camein and reset uh venues
overnight, like when a banquetor something would be done.
I would go, take all the tablesand like reset it.
However, the format wassupposed to be for the next
event the next day, and I alsoworked as a bouncer at a bar, so
I'd go after the bar and dothat before the next day.

(27:07):
So sometimes it'd be like threein the morning, four in the
morning, and some weird shitwould happen in that building
when I was there by myself threein the morning, the witching
hour 100 a loud ass crash, as iflike the entire uh stack of
tables or something that I hadhad been knocked over, and then
I would go check and there'd benothing.
I'm like what.
What could have possibly madethat noise?
And there was no evidence ofanything happening.

So those are both the pinnacle of mine
dude, I've had a few, but I'mnot here's a thing, I'm not.
I don't really believe in thatstuff.
However, I've had a, reallyI've had.

Trez Mala (27:41):
Yeah, I mean he's got scratch marks on his back from
a ghost and he doesn't believe Ishouldn't say I don't believe.

I should say that I don't know what to
believe.
But I have had a fewexperiences.
The one Tom's referencing isactually legitimate.
We have an episode that werecorded with a demonologist.
I asked him about it becausewhen I was little Well, first
let me preface my mom's favoritemovie is the Wizard of Oz, and
it's important because you'llsee why.
So I was maybe like I don'tknow man, nine years old, eight

(28:11):
nine years old, and I had thisdream where I was in the middle
of the staircase, going up tothe upstairs and a witch that
looked to me like the WickedWitch of the West literally was,
was on top of the stairs,calling my name like Michael,
like luring me, and my motherwas on the landing of the stairs
.
Okay, and it didn't.

(28:32):
I mean it was a dream, but itwas fucking real to me as a kid.

I mean it fucked me up.
And then oh you, I had a witchsituation, so I can relate, dude
.

Dude as a kid know like, and, uh, you know
.
And the demonologist was like,yeah, you know they could.
Uh, basically, they know inyour mind how you, what you
conceive.
And since I just saw that movienow I'm thinking, fuck, that's
like you know.
But uh, and many years later Ihave these three deep scars like
scratches on my back and Idon't know where they came from.
I was coming out of the showerone day I was probably like 20,
21 years old, still lived athome with my mom, and she's like

(29:09):
what, what is on your back?
And I'm like what do you mean?
She's like you got like theselike scars and they're healed.
They're like, they're like baddude.
They're like fucking like youwould know where they came from.
You know it's they're terriblejeez I don't know where those
came from, so that's one of myweird things, that's some random
stretch marks you know not,don't, because they're not in

(29:30):
the I had too many donuts lastnight no, I'm, I am a fat fuck,
but there it's in like themiddle of my back and it's like
isolated, so like it.
There's scars like yeah, Icould.

Is it like?
Is it like a claw type sidewaysswipe, yeah, swipe.

Yeah, like three swiped.
Yeah, dude.
I could send you a pictureafter the show.
I'll send you a picture.

Yeah, so you're like you're running away and
something swiped at you orsomething right?

I have no idea, bro.
No pain, no, nothing, norecollection, nothing dude,
nothing at all.

Another one have you checked your body for
implants, bro?
I mean no more than just Idon't know.

I I don't know.
I have a tattoo that kind of uhimplicates me being abducted,
but I don't think I ever have.
You know, like I don't have any, I wish, like that's one thing.
I'm like, come on, fucking grabme, dude, like I want to go up
there and see what's up?
That terrifies me, dude.
Yeah, as long as they bring meback, I'll be all right, you
know but uh, I also had one moreexperience that I can't explain

(30:28):
too, so I'll be quick with it.
So we used to live in anapartment, uh, in lombard, and
it was me, my wife and my uh twokids and we my wife had been
experiencing weird things when Iwas at work and I'm like you're
just fucking crazy, they'relosing it, you know.
And so one night my buddy'sover and I'm like you're just
fucking crazy, they're losing it, you know.
And so one night my buddy'sover and I'm like let's fucking

(30:49):
is like it's like two in themorning, I don't know it was, it
was in the middle of dead ofthe night and I'm like let's
fucking do, evp, you know, let'sgrab a recorder, a dictaphone
and fucking, just, I'm gonna asksome questions, you know, and I
did.
And one of the questions wasare you a male or female?
And I, audibly, we heardnothing, okay, nothing.
But then, when I played it backand put headphones on after I

(31:13):
asked that question, you heard afemale voice say female.
And when I fucking heard it, Iwent to my friend.
I didn't tell him what I heard.
I said bro, what do you hearafter I ask this question?
And he said the same fuckingthing.
I played it for my wife.
She heard it and guess what?
We found out about two monthsafter that, because I was

(31:36):
friends with Josh, who was thekid that lived below me Okay,
the apartment below me.
What I found out was about ayear before we moved in.
Below me, what I found out wasabout a year before we moved in.
The girl, the woman in theapartment above us, committed
suicide from postpartumdepression so in my head.
Maybe that could be, you know,linked somehow.
But those are like my twocraziest ones and I don't know

(31:59):
what to believe.
You know, I, I don't, I don'tknow, because those are I can't.

Do you believe in like?
Do you believe in like, the?
Uh, you know all possibility,you know, um the quantum, that
everything is happening, everydifferent version, every
possibility and stuff.
You know the the different waysthings could be within the same
but fractal off into another.
Um, you know, I always thinkthat it's a dimensional thing.

(32:27):
There's, like you know, thevibration changes, like that.
You know, like the girl shechecked out her vibrations kind
of still within that realm.
But no, I believe in all thatstuff.
You know not like oh well oneof the things about me.

(32:50):
I believe this is other than afew things.
I think this is a huge deal,like one my numerology I'm a
life path of 11, which says I'man old soul, I'm also a Virgo.
Being a life path of 11, whichsays that I'm an old soul, I'm
also a Virgo.
It says that, you know, being alife path of 11, I've been here

(33:11):
a lot, you know, I've beenthrough the ringer, supposedly,
you know, as a soul.
And so when I was two weeksbefore my second birthday, I was
being babysat at my neighbor'shouse and they had a pool with a
cover the old bubble wrapcovers and I had walked, pushed

(33:35):
down the child gate, walked out,went in and then the cover went
back over and they estimatethat I was probably underwater
for like 10 minutes, you know.
And they estimate that I wasprobably underwater for like 10
minutes, you know.
And they, when they, when theyfound me, they couldn't just
immediately get me because mygrandma couldn't swim, so she
had to.
Someone one of the kids ranacross the street, got another

(33:56):
girl, teenage girl she jumped in, got me, my grandma and her.
Both did CPR on me and theysaid that's pretty much what
like saved my life.
So like no visible orrecognizable brain damage or
anything, but I was dead, youknow, and uh, I think that, like
, I think that kind of took alayer off of something.

(34:19):
You know, I think there there'ssomething.
Uh, I think something happenedto me with that because in less
than two weeks I was out of thehospital, I was fine, running
around, I think within like fiveor seven days I was running
around the hospital and they'relike, okay, he's gotta go.
You know, like they had to waitand see and whatever, but like

(34:39):
a total miracle thing.
And actually the same weekendthat happened to me, oj Simpson
had a daughter that drowned in apool.
Actually, the same weekend thatthat happened to me, oj simpson
had a daughter that drowned inthe pool and died same weekend.
Crazy, um, but uh.
And then I had a friend'sbrother.
He had an accident, a drowningaccident, only a couple minutes,
and he got mentally andphysically, uh, retarded from it

(35:02):
.
You know, I mean that's just amedical term, but loss of, I
won't say loss of the limb, butcrippled, crippled like one side
.
You know speech, and you knowhe's always, always going to
need uh, assistance and stuff.
So somehow I lucked out, youknow, but I think that like kind
of removed a layer of whatever.
So I've always been, I'vealways seen things different

(35:24):
than other people, you know, andwhen I was a kid, we my mom,
single mom, two, me and mysister she's five years older
than me we moved a lot and Ijust remember, wow, why do we
even unpack?
You know what I mean?
Like we're always just movingand stuff.
So we ended up having this one.
We were always just moving andstuff, so we ended up having

(35:48):
this one apartment in HuntingtonBeach, california, and the
place was haunted like amotherfucker man.
I mean.
I don't even remember sleepingin that house.
I remember going to thebathroom and seeing the stove
moving on the way and thecabinet doors closing and stuff
you know, on the way, and thedoors cabinet doors closing and
stuff, you know.
It sounded like a metal framebed being dragged over, like the

(36:12):
floor, you know, and it was allthe time, you know.
And I thought at one point intime when I got a little older,
I'm like, oh, you know, thecabinets and all that stuff,
like that's just the child'smind, I go.
The neighbors were probablyjust fucking like crazy.
That's why I'm hearing all thebanging and you know and stuff.
But then I started thinkingabout it and I was like I
remember being next sleep, nextto my mom and trying to wake her

(36:35):
up during all this stuff, youknow, and she wouldn't wake up.
My older sister wouldn't wakeup and I remember.
So you know it was, it wasterrifying to me.
So I like had that and then Iwas living with my grandparents
my mom, you know, I was probablyabout, or no, I was staying at
my grandparents.
I was probably about seven yearsold, and there was me and my

(36:58):
friend, jb, from across thestreet and we were staying're,
you know, spending the night andit's like a saturday night, and
I remember I was just, I hadthe, had the front windows and
we had this couch right alongthe front front window, right
there, looking straight out intothe street, you know, and it
was a clear night and there's abig ass moon and I remember my

(37:23):
buddy was my, my buddy wassleeping on the on the couch
right there, and I'm on thecouch and I'm just staring at
the moon and I see this thingflying like around.
So I'm just staring at it andthen I see it like it's giving
me chills.
I see it like swoop, like close, like through the trees, like
in front of the house and likearound, and I was like whoa, you

(37:45):
know, like it was like a, likea flash, though, or not a flash,
but like a swoosh, but it wasblack, like a shadow, you know,
and then I'd see, then I'd seelike it go back up and then it'd
come back down and I remember Iwas like man and it just
reminded me of like how a witchwould fly.

(38:06):
And as soon as that likecrossed my mind.
Bam, right on my right in thewindow there was a witch like
right there, like the nose, theface and that is gnarly teeth.
Was she green?

Trez Mala (38:17):
Yes, oh, it's the fucking same thing I saw.

It was like it was like a like a light, like a
light green like, and I rememberjust freezing and it tapped on
the window and I just like,slowly, just turned away and,
like, looked at my friend andthen, as I like kind of like
look back, it took off being aglutton for punishment.
I stared at that, I waited forit to happen again and it never

(38:45):
happened.
But, dude, it scared the hellout of me because all of a
sudden it was like bam right inmy face and then the teeth.
I remember the teeth werebroken and it was gnarly dude,
and it just, you know, uh, itwas a cinematic situation and

(39:05):
feel, you know, but, like Iremember, the finger looked like
it was wood, you know, like itwas a long nail or something,
scared the hell out of me.
I mean, I remember it.
Like you know, I still thinkabout it all the time I don't
want to say all the time, but itcomes up you know, you know,
and had another thing like thathappened to me out in the desert

(39:27):
camping.
Now, it wasn't anything thatclose, but my uncle used to take
me camping.
We'd go out into, basically,the Mojave I live in Las Vegas,
which is the Mojave, but thisisn't the California side.
Now, granted, uh, knowing whatI know now, you know, with all
the military stuff that's in andaround, who knows?

(39:47):
But it was kind of early innight, but you know, sun goes
down, it's dark, you know, andwe got a little fire and I had a
spotting scope and I'm justkind of aiming it in the sky.
You know, when you have stufflike that, it's all shaky and
everything.
You know, I didn't have atripod or anything.

(40:11):
So I'm like looking, and Iactually have this moment where
I have a just a clear shot andI'm kind of just like looking at
a star and all of a sudden,this thing, this comes up and
stops right in front of it orlike below it.
So now, and I was like whoa andI'm like looking, I'm trying to
find it again, you know, butonce you take your eye off of it
, you know, it's almostimpossible to get back to what

(40:31):
you were looking at, you know.
And so I'm like looking and allof a sudden I see this thing.
Now I don't know where you, Idon't know how it is, where you
guys are, but like here in thespring or whatever, we get these
like little gnats that fly inthese little square patterns.
They kind of just bounce aroundin a little square pattern,
like they just kind of you know,they're not like fruit flies or

(40:54):
anything, I don't know whatthey are, but this thing was
flying like that, but just likea star, but as a dot, glowing
dot, and just like in a squarepattern, ready to go back and
forth.
But it was all like in 90degrees.
It wasn't like a circle or youknow, everything was a straight
line of where it was moving andI was like holy shit.

(41:15):
And then all of a suddenanother one flies right up to it
and then it starts doing itslittle patterns.
So so it's kind of they're justlike moving.
And and I get my uncle and I'mlike yo, dude, I go look up
there, and he's just like Idon't, I don't see anything.
And I was like right there andI pointed and stuff, and he was
just like, oh yeah, you know, Imean it could be a million

(41:39):
things, you know, and I was justlike you know.
So I'm freaking out.
You know, I'm probably like 10years old and I'm like I'm just
like, no, that just you know.
It did.
You know, when stuff justdoesn't sit right, you know,
yeah.
And so next thing, you know,he's like I'm going to bed.
I'm like okay, and I was, I'mwatching it, and they're there
for a while.

(42:00):
I mean, in my mind, 20 minutes,but you know it could have been
five minutes, I don't know.
I mean I'm just like locked inon this and um, next thing, you
know, as they're like doingtheir little patterns, one just
goes, you know, like in themovies, when, when things just

(42:21):
kind of that thing just dartsoff and goes and and I was like,
wow, right.
So I'm watching the other one upthere and all of a sudden it's
coming down, like towards me,like towards where we're at, but
it's way the hell up there, butit's coming and I'm looking at
it and it's coming.
Next thing, you know, thisthing just comes down down, but

(42:44):
it's still far away it's, butit's like now it feels like it's
in our atmosphere, it's in ouryou know what I mean like if it
got any closer I think I wouldhave been able to actually see
it, but it was still just thelight, what I'm able to see, if
that makes sense.
And this thing comes down and I, I just get this feeling like

(43:07):
it's staring at me, you know,and so I'm just like kind of.
So I decided to go back to thetruck where you know where my
uncle was, because we werecamping at it like a little
camper.
So I go back to the truck and Iwas kind of like waiting there.
I'm just kind of, you know, andthen I kind of look up and the
thing is over here now, so I hadgot out of the way of it to be

(43:29):
able to see me.
And next thing, you know, whenI look up, it's over on the
other part of the sky looking atme and I was just like, oh my
god, and like, as soon as I saidthat, it just took off.
So then, just like with thewitch, I stood there all night
long until the sun come up,looking for that thing.
But I mean, both times werewere things that like I felt

(43:54):
like something, I, I, I feltlike there was something being
told to me.
I don't know what it is, Idon't, I.
It's still one of those things Igo over over my mind, other
than I can just say that it'sreally like, let me know, like
don't, uh, don't discredit ordiscount anything or everything

(44:16):
you know, like you might want tounderstand, uh, or you know,
understand that you might bebeyond your level of thinking,
you know, I mean that's wherethey come up with them.
That's where they come up withthem.
That's where they come up withthe with the uh, the word
coincidence.
It's just a way for them to tosay, oh, it's a coincidence,
when they can't scientificallyexplain it, right, I mean that's

(44:36):
all.
I mean that's all.
That is when, when, whenthey're all like all these
things, like mind over mattertype stuff you know works and
all this shit, and like, ah well, it's just a coincidence.

Trez Mala (44:43):
You know, like the ladies adrenals went in, it was
like oh no, dude, there was amanipulation of of the reality,
you know that's what I think,and it seems like almost you
willed or manifested orinfluenced those situations with
your thoughts because, like yousaid, as soon as you thought
something, the situation changed.
What do you think that thatwitch thing was?

(45:04):
Do you have any thoughts onthat?
You said, you go back and forthin your head, but that's a wild
story.
What do you, what do you makeof it?

um, well, I, I don't.
I mean, I don't know, becauseif it was like a, if it was like
a, uh, a child abduction thing,I would have been taken.
You know, I mean something thatwas moving that quick, that
fast.
Was it my imagination?
I mean it was fucking reallyshit.

(45:31):
You know, I, I remember goingto sleep.
I remember staying up until Ihad to go to sleep.
Like, um, so it wasn't like adream or anything, I don't know.
Man, sometimes I, I mean, if thedevil wants to recruit you, I

(45:53):
don't think you'd send a witch.
Like, that's not my kind ofkink.
Yeah, you're not getting even abig titty witch.
I'm probably not going to go.
I don't deal with warts, you,but, uh, geez, I, you know, I,
like I said I think it was amessage to like, let me know.
Like there's things out there,you know, I remember when I was
a kid uh, speaking about, youhad a demonologist.

(46:16):
I had a.
Uh, I had a guy that gave methe book of demonology when I
was probably about 15 and um,because I thought it was all
cool, slayer, uh, right, and uh,so I was like, you know, I was
into like reading it and stuff,and it talked about all these,
all these different things andthese trolls and these, these,

(46:39):
uh, these energy, uh, you know,demons and stuff.
And I had a.
I had a dream one time at leastI thought it was a dream when I
was a kid that uh, when we weresleeping at a ymca, a little
after school thing, that I sawlike demons or like demon
shadows like sitting or crawlingaround the kids.

(47:01):
You know, all the kids that hadlike were asleep and I had like
kind of woken up and I just sawlike it was kind of like
Monsters Inc, like everythinghad like its own little
different entity with it, andthat wasn't anything that like
stuck out in my mind.
But when I was reading thatbook I was like, oh shit, you

(47:25):
know, I was like that reallyconjured up a big like memory,
because that happened when I wasreading that book.
I was like, oh shit, you know,I was like that really conjured
up a big like memory, becausethat happened when I was a kid.
But when I was like 15 readingthat book, I was like, okay,
there's something to all thisshit, you know, but that's how
the you know.
That's the thing is.
Right now.
The whole world it's all aboutgood and evil.
Dude, I mean, that's the wholething.
I tell people I don't, I don'tcare if you're religious or not.
The people who are running theworld and how they choose to

(47:48):
operate the world, do believe inin whatever religion, doc,
doctrine, be it the talmud orwhatever, and they're making
decisions about for humanitybased off of that shit.

Trez Mala (48:00):
So you know um, it's not a matter if we believe it or
not.
If they believe it and they,their actions are influenced by
those beliefs which then have aneffect on us, so we kind of
need to be aware of it eitherway yeah, and me myself, you
know, I mean I was kind of um, Iwas raised in and around a
mormon family, mormon stuff.

I was baptized, was baptized Mormon, but my
grandparents worked strict withit, you know, and all that and I
, I, I I do, like you know, it'scrazy too is how much like
pre-flood historical fact thatthe Mormons have in their
doctrine about the, about thisland, america, like what was

(48:42):
actually here pre-flood and allsorts of that's like backed up
with indians and, you know, thenative tribes and all sorts of
like that.
But I, like 10 years old, waslike I don't want to be around
any of these people, becausebeing around people at school
baseball all my friends Iskateboarded with and there was

(49:03):
always like this competition,there's backstabbing, there's
these rules, there's these, youknow, and I remember going in
the church and I was like thisis just more of that.
And and then, and then what'sfunny too, was like people who
were like holy rollers werecaught cheating with each
other's you know, banging otherpeople in church and stuff.

(49:25):
So I was like I don't needorganized religion.
I think the most thing that Igot out of out of it was like
where to look into things, notwhat they're doing and all that.
But uh, I'm a, I'm a, I'mdefinitely a god-fearing uh
christian.
You know, I'm a.
Uh, I got my own hang-ups andshit, dude, you know.

(49:46):
But and I'm not like a Biblethumper and judge people and
stuff because I didn't know,that's not my position.
But a lot of the things that Ido, you know, a lot of the
things that I make my decisionsand consider now in life are
based off of, you know, theChrist doctrine, and it's not,
uh, there's a lot more that Ican learn.

(50:08):
But you know, as the more youlearn, you're like even this is
kind of there's something pastthis that led to this, you know.
So that's where I get into likehistory and all that stuff,
because you know, oh man, thatreally, that really ties into
what they were saying over inthis side of the world or
whatnot.
You know there's a lot to besaid.

(50:29):
That's why, you know, I alwayslaugh at people that are so sure
.
Right now you know what I mean.
I go, dude, this is your firsttime you know what I mean.
This is what we know.
This is our first time here.
How do we know what is what andwho?
You know?
I mean, fuck, dude, if you lookat like a lot of our history I
mean you go back in your familybloodline it's gonna stop up to

(50:50):
a certain point where you can'tfind anything.
Like the majority of people,that shit stops in the 1800s.
Dude, you can't find shit.
So are we like our people?
Have you guys heard of thecabbage patch theory?
Oh, yeah, man, that's just youknow what I mean.
Like human cloning and like thebig reset and they added a
thousand years, so likeeverything was supposed to be
like, say, 900, and they put nowit's 1902.

(51:13):
Or you know what I mean.
Like, yeah, my uncle did, myuncle was, uh, really big into
genealogy and he's like, yeah,dude, I can only trace people
back.
So only so far, you know.

Trez Mala (51:24):
And uh, I was like dude, we're reset people it
really could be and one of thecraziest things.
I mean it's not even that crazy.
But when I first heard some ofthe cabbage patch stuff like
being proposed as a seriousthing, I in my head I just was
like all right, let me look.
What is the closest plant tohuman dna and it's cabbage so
really, yeah, maybe it reallydidn't know that something they

(51:47):
pulled off.
Yeah, like, if you think aboutit that way, maybe they really
could have figured out a way togrow a person with cabbage or
something.

If they're doing other types of cloning and gene
splicing, it makes sense well,remember in the, uh, when you
look at like the, at like the,the the 20s and the, the 1910s,
and they had like humanincubators.

(52:14):
There was just babies in theseincubators, you know, and it was
quite prevalent in the, in theeastern, like cities, you know,
in these places, like this waslike a thing and it was like
where the hell did these kidscome from?
Then they had the orphan trainswhere it just shows, you know,
ship shipping all these kids outand they're just like, oh yeah,
they're just from, they'redisplaced from war and they're

(52:35):
like this still doesn't makesense, like there's not that
many displaced people.
Like we're the you know what Imean like we're the moms, you
know, but, uh, they hadtechnologies back then that were
, I mean, they definitelysuppressing stuff.
I mean, everything we told,everything we're told, is a lie,
man, I mean top down, you know,and, um, I think once we start

(53:00):
getting more and more to thecore of the onion, that's when
they hit the reset they get ridof us again.
Dude, you know, seems likethey're trying right now.

Trez Mala (53:08):
I was about to say it feels pretty close right now.

Well, you know one of the things I remember
Alex Jones mentioned this hegoes dude.
When they try to depopulate,the population tends to boom.
He's like they've been.
They've been slowly instead oflike a direct threat.
They've been slowly doing thisin a, in a subverted way.
Where it's now and it's a, it'smanipulating the genetics,

(53:38):
whereas first, yeah, at othertimes, when you go to like, put
an attack, send people to worldwar and stuff, people tend to
breed like a motherfucker.
Yeah, when there's.
What's crazy is when there'slike, when there's a potential
threat to the species, we tendto, we tend to breed more, you

(53:59):
know.
But the thing is, is whatthey're doing now does look like
they're just?
breeding prevention instead.
Yeah yeah, there's a populationcrisis.
I mean, right now, I thinkJapan is paying people to go
over there and knock up theirwomen.
Sounds like a sweet deal, yeahit does Especially especially

(54:22):
when you see some of them, mamas, over there.
But um, russia was doing thesame thing.
Russia, um, uh, a few countries, they're like giving people tax
free loan or um interest freeloans to start families or in a
business and stuff like that forpeople, young people, to get
married.
Uh, china, I mean they reversetheir child policy thing because

(54:46):
they're heading for they'reheading for a shit storm, you
know sounds like someone needsto book a comedy tour in japan
and russia.
Yeah, I remember, uh, this wassome years back because they've
been in vega.
They were in vegas for a longtime but uh, putin like hired uh
boys to men to tour over thereto spur love making and I guess

(55:11):
they had like the most amount ofsongs that were played in the
bedroom or something.
Yeah, they scientifically likeyeah, so they tried to make them
a big deal in russia so thatpeople would start about it and
shit.
You know, that's hilarious.

Trez Mala (55:26):
When you mentioned that, uh, we reproduce more when
there's, you know, a threat.
I've heard that more men areborn around that time of war too
.
It's like humanity's balancingitself out whenever there's big
wars, like just producing morefighting males.
And if they were trying to justwipe us out and realize it
doesn't work that way, then yeah, why not fuck everybody up, uh,
with hormone imbalances and alltypes of things to kill our

(55:49):
sterility, or even cutting offgenitalia and making everybody
uh, mate with the same sex, ornot having fucking sex or gender
, who the fuck knows.
But yeah, that seems to be theplan of action now for
depopulation then is juststerilization.

Yeah, and it's all done off of like a lot of
that stuff is all done off ofthe spin of what, like being
free is oh, you're free to dowhatever you want.
And then you have people thatlike kinda, you know, either
chemically or emotionally orphysically manipulate people
into doing these things out offreedom and doing you know

(56:29):
what's best for you, and stuff,you know when that's.
You know that's a weaponizationof our freedoms and all that.
But so it's like, well, nowyou're going to put a law where
you're saying you can't doanything with your body.
Well, yeah, I mean, to acertain point, when you're
before you're 18, you know whatI mean there's got to be a level

(56:50):
, and it should be higher thanthat, really, because I mean I
don't think your brain is fullydeveloped until like 24 or
something like that.
You know, like I'll be honest,though, I mean, other than
finding better ways to likearticulate myself and stuff, I'm
kind of the same as I was whenI was a teen, you know, other
than some things I've grown tolike, no, I just don't like that

(57:12):
anymore, you know, or, this isnot my thing, but they're, I
mean they're they're trying towhittle us down, man, I mean
from you know everything fromtoxic masculinity to, I mean,
shit, dude, they had tiktoks ofthese little, these soy boys
that are like bone and tendon.
Telling people that it's like,uh, it working out is, you know,

(57:36):
somehow oppressive yeah, yeah,you know, and yeah you know, and
I was like taking care ofyourself.
Is you know?
What do you expect from peoplewith low testosterone?
Man for real seriously, yeah,what's that gonna get you?
Those dudes gonna, those dudesare gonna man the farm slaughter

(57:59):
the cows and I mean, uh, youknow, make the, uh, make the,
the grass patties fucking, youknow what are some of your
favorite rabbit?
holes to go down there's a lot,because it all like, uh, it all
ties together, but, um, whattruly, uh, I do?

(58:21):
I do like there's a work doneby a gentleman that I think very
highly of, uh, michael toSarian, oh yeah, and uh, he had,
uh uh, atlantis, alienvisitation and genetic
manipulation, and basically hebreaks down how there was either

(58:47):
cosmic or interdimensionaltravelers that came here and
basically set up shop here onthe planet.
Set up shop here on the planetand there was another planet
that was in between what, marsand Jupiter, or us and Mars, I
forget what it's which one, butit was called Tiamat and they
they believe that it was it wascalled the, the second son.

(59:10):
I think it was the second son,tiamat.

Yep.

And the escapees , the people that are running
away from said galaxy, which Iforget.
I I'm kind of spinning mywheels with this, but, uh, they
came here but instead of likesetting up shop on here on earth
, they set up shop like a dummydeal on tiamat or marduk.
And the pursuers came here andbasically said you know what?

(59:43):
We're not going to waste anytime and just blow up the planet
, right?
So where that planet is, wehave our asteroid belt, and the
asteroid belt still still goesaround, right, and um, a lot of
the stuff that they believe thatwas from that planet.
It gets cryogenically frozen inspace and some of that cosmic

(01:00:11):
debris when it made its wayclose to our atmosphere and gets
pulled in.
This is, if you believe in space, right, you know that kind of
deal, right.
But that's where we get a lotof the creatures, ocean
creatures and stuff that arehere supposedly from another
planet.
And I remember when I was justmoved out here to vegas, there

(01:00:34):
was a it's called Tule Springsand they had, like, in just this
one little area it rained frogs, tadpoles and frogs, but they
literally fell out of the skyand they talk about that in
other places, where it's rainedfish before it's rained frogs.
It's rained salamanders andstuff right and um, supposed

(01:00:59):
those are things that are partof what was naturally here.
It's kind of brought here, um,but I find that stuff
fascinating and it goes in, thatstuff from there goes into, you
know, from the anunnaki to, uh,basically you know manipulation
of man and basically making itwhat we are today.
And it's funny is when Ilistened, when I listened to

(01:01:21):
dudes like Tasarian and DavidIcke and they talked about this
shit that they research andJordan Maxwell and stuff they
research from dudes before andthey were talking about all this
.
You know our DNA has been beenmessed with we're, we're nowhere
on the evolutionary chain, likethere's no monkey to us.
There's something in between ifwe're supposed to be.

(01:01:43):
You know, like all this youknow, and then it comes out with
all these different scientistsand quantum.
You know stuff that thesepeople were like oh yeah, dude,
uh, our DNA has been altered.
You know our telomeres havebeen cut, like we should be able
to regenerate a limb.
If this was connected we'd beable to live forever.

(01:02:03):
You know all this kind of stuff.
I mean, if you look at it,we're like the old cars, dude,
the cars now.
You know planned obsolescence,so whatever, like created us.
And then when you get to theBible, they're like, yeah,
so-and-so lived 300 and someyears.
You're like that's fuck, that'sfucking stupid.

(01:02:24):
No one's living 300 years.
But they're like, dude, if this, if these two things were
connected, we'd be living like300 years.
Like it's like crazy.
So I there's a lot of validityto it, to that stuff.
That's one of the things I gorabbit hole with.
The other thing which goesalong with that is like the
psyop that we're bombarded with.

(01:02:46):
Again, being somebody thattells jokes and uses deception
and turns and keeps people ontheir toes.
You see it all over, you know.
I mean I think they live is oneof them, is one of my favorite
my favorite movie ever you know,and it just it tells you so
much.

(01:03:06):
You know, and, um, limiteddialogue in that movie too, a
lot of it's like showing youdifferent things, but um, it's
everywhere, you know, I mean.
And then when you look at likepeople like like, oh, that's
crazy, I go, dude, you know,they spend four billion dollars
a year in in marketing, researchand for in advertising towards

(01:03:27):
kids, children.
Four billion dollars, it'sprobably even more.
Now you know what I I mean.
And why is that?
They're creating brands forlife, you know.
And what do you do with politics?
I mean, why do you think wehave student body president and
da-da-da-da-da, you know, andall that shit, dude, we're just
building them all the way up.
You know, I mean, look at allthe politicians today, dude.

(01:03:50):
They were all student bodypresidents and all presidents
and all you know what I meanthey're.
They're all involved.
Well, they were all involved.
They were all involved from dayone of wanting to be help, you
know.
But then when you find out thehow good of a business is of
being a politician, of not doingshit and, uh, getting greased
everywhere, fuck, I understandyou mentioned, you're a

(01:04:14):
tessarian guy.

Trez Mala (01:04:15):
Have you gone down as a?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:04:20):
you mentioned, you're a tessarian guy.
Have you gone down as a irishorigin of civilization route?
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, that'ssome.
I love that stuff.
A lot of that, uh, a lot ofthat.
You know, when you tie that inwith the?
Uh phoenicians and the the uhthe egyptians, you get into the
like italian bloodlines and youknow, um, I know tripoli has

(01:04:41):
mentioned it before, but that'slike where the supposedly what's
like really ruling the world?

Trez Mala (01:04:46):
you know.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:04:47):
So a lot of people think it's the jews,
which I mean you can't denythey're doing their thing right,
but there's layers of the 13families, the bloodlines, you
know, sure, and these people arepeople you know.
I mean, we know therockefellers and the rock childs
and we know the vanderbilts andyou know all the, all these

(01:05:07):
people and all the stuff, youknow whoever, but you don't hear
of like the christine's and youdon't hear of like all these
the osiris and like thechristines and you don't hear of
like all these the osiris andall these people who are like
resource owners, but they'relike bloodline people, right,

(01:05:27):
you know, untouchables, I guess,you know, I guess there's
people you start talking aboutthem and weird happens to you
and start starts going on inyour life.
You know so.
There's so many, there's somany layers to everything.
Um, getting back to thetessarian with the druid stuff,
did you ever see the family guywhere it shows?

Trez Mala (01:05:47):
it shows the irish before alcohol before alcohol I
feel like that was a nod to theTartaria civilization thing too.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:05:56):
That is 100% telling you.
Look how we brought them down.
And here's another thing toowhen you want to look at trophy
heads, look at our money.
Look at the heads on our money.
Almost all of the people whoare on our dollar our faces are

(01:06:17):
on our dollar oppose the FederalReserve System.
Only a couple of them thatactually supported it, but
they're all trophy heads.
They were all defeated.
I mean Andrew Jackson, probablythe biggest one.
I mean they had two attempts onhis life and it said on his uh
headstone I killed the banks,right, but they still got what

(01:06:40):
they wanted to do it and theyput their, they put his head on
his face on their money becauseit's like a you for life, you
know.
But there's so much symbolism inthe thing, I mean it's, it's
truly like look who went upagainst us.
We took him out Abraham Lincoln.
It is on George Washington.
You know he died from somebotched operation.

(01:07:02):
Right, bill woodrow wilson, andthat was the dude who signed in
the federal reserve act and got, got it all right.
But after he did, he comes outand he says I think I
unwittingly destroyed my country, country from, yeah, from

(01:07:24):
within and uh, they were like,yeah, buddy, I am, you get the
top note.
It's crazy how they do.
But, um, you know, for all thisstuff, that like for everyday
people, all of us like, it'slike, oh, that's stupid, it's
weird, these elites, they'reobsessed with it and if you've
ever been around people who gotlike, who are like got like

(01:07:46):
crazy money, someone in theirfamily, if not them directly,
are obsessed with their familytree and their bloodline and
they have pictures.
I've been in, I've been in somevery wealthy people's homes and
stuff and every single one ofthem has something that shows
the lineage of both the families, just that.

(01:08:07):
And they track it and it's likea running ledger of sorts
that's just a coincidence broyeah
exactly.
You know.
You know, I mean look, and whenyou look at all the, you look
at all the presidents, you lookat all the rich people and stuff
, you know, um, they're all gotthese bloodlines, they're
interwoven celebrities, they'relike how does that?

(01:08:27):
Even because again, there'sstuff there that they they get
outside of the bloodline so theydon't make retarded fucking
people.
But there's a lot of inbreedingin that shit.
When you look at him, like howthe fuck is this dude?
You know, like hey, there'ssome people.
You're like how the fuck isthis dude supposed to be like
top dog?
I mean he looks like he's likepulls his pants down to his

(01:08:50):
ankles when he takes a piss in aurinal.

Trez Mala (01:08:51):
You know what I mean like I'm a big boy, you know uh,
and it's because a lot of timesthey think that they are
related to some likesupernatural being or beings, or
the fallen angels or thenephilim or whatever, some like
mythological king they tracetheir bloodline back to in most
cases.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:09:09):
Well, you know they think they're better.
Right, they tell themselvesthat they're better.
They raise their kids tobelieve that they're better.
They don't look at money thesame way as we do.
We don't look at opportunitiesin business the same way as we
do.
It's a totally different thing,and they are on these blue

(01:09:31):
blood elites and stuff.
They are on a differentvibration.
Sure, it is true, I mean, it isthere's, you know, you know, a
great guy to look up andresearch kevin trudeau, not
justin trudeau from I thinkthey're both from canada, though
but kevin trudeau, the guy thathad the, the cures they don't

(01:09:51):
want you to know about, and themoney they don't want you to
know about, and the.
You know.
This dude broke down all thebullshit, put it into a book in
an infomercial and was like look, dude, they're telling you this
because they want to sell youthese medicines, they want to do
all this.
And well, this guy had a greatseminar or whatever, called uh,

(01:10:12):
your wish is your, and he tookall these teachings from like,
illuminati, study, thebrotherhood, all I mean, all
these different things, and hecompiled it in there on how to
like, use your mind and allstuff like that.
Well, this information was sopowerful, they put this dude in

(01:10:35):
prison.
You know tax and all this shitlike that.
Now he's out and he's on TikTokand he's going crazy, dude.
I mean he's just putting it allout there again.
But if you can find his works,that guy you want to talk about
being ahead of his time, dude,but he's talking on the surface
level and he talks about likehow, like the Brotherhood and
the Illuminati and like allthese different, the tri-penos,

(01:11:00):
people from the TrilateralCommission and all this shit,
and he's talking like everybodyknows what he's talking about.
But the audience that he istalking to does know.
So any Joe Blow that buys hisstuff or bought it back, then
they're like this is a bunch ofgarbage.
I don't know what he's talkingabout.
They have no frame of reference, but it tells you everything
about your mind garbage, I don'tknow what he's talking about.
So they have no like framearrest reference, but it tells
you everything about your mindand it tells you everything
about how, like how to go aboutyour business and do things,

(01:11:22):
like how the elite do, and hetalks about they are on another
vibration and this is how youget to that vibration.
That's basically what his wholething is and it's really, it's
amazing work.
It's something I think you know.
Uh, you can find it.
I had it, but they took it off.
I had it saved on a playlist.
They took it off the internet.
Um, yeah, and you know what?

(01:11:44):
They put all his shit out therefor a while for free, so he
couldn't make any money.
So, whoever like, when theytook it, when the government
took over his shit, they put allthat shit on the internet for
free, so he couldn't make anymoney off of it Because they
didn't want his money from thetax or anything.
They wanted to shut him downand like, stifle it, so they

(01:12:04):
went.
And then once somebody, youknow, once somebody that gets
arrested for fraud and all thisstuff like that, then all this
shit's out for free.
No one watches it.
You know, it's fucking bars ofgold sitting.
It was sitting right there foranybody to pick up, you know.
But yeah, kevin trudeau dudethat guy was.
That guy was legit as far asbreaking down information and

(01:12:25):
stuff was he talking about thefamilies we don't mention?
some of it a little bit.
You know what's crazy is one ofmy big problems is I end up
doing so much research andcovering a lot of that I I don't
know where I saw it or Icouldn't give you the link right
.
I'm not a guy that saves linksand all stuff and when I do a

(01:12:48):
lot of stuff that I have, I goback play page doesn't exist or
you know, oh yeah, so I I quit,quit trying to like keep
everything you know, um, andthen when I did, I could never
find it.
I got it somewhere.
But I I came across this likemap and it was like corporations

(01:13:09):
, world leaders, the bloodlinefamilies, that uh.
Then it went to like this oldworld stuff and he's like old
world families, you know, and Iwas like holy cow man, there's a
lot of other shit here.
Then it had like this otherlink to click off that and they

(01:13:29):
were it was like basically wentinto like a world of like conan
the barbarian and all these likedifferent you know ancient
stuff and basically what it wassaying there is of like, if
you've made it this far, fuckinggood luck.
You know what I mean, becauseyou're not getting out of.
You're not getting out of thislittle.

(01:13:50):
You know and, um, I wouldn'teven know where to start Looking
at all these names, shit, Icouldn't pronounce these maps
that had countries or regions orwhatever.
That I don't know what languageis in.
They are all hyperlinked andeverything.
You can click to it and it'dgive you all the information,
but it was just blah, blah, blah, blah blah.

(01:14:11):
But there's so much shit, whatdo you do?
Like, where do you start?
You know how?
Do you even make sense of whatwe got going on in front of us
On the surface?

Trez Mala (01:14:26):
though, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:14:29):
Fuck man.

Trez Mala (01:14:30):
I think I might know what you're talking about a
little bit.
Like you said, there was likesome Conan the Barbarian shit
where it was like there wasdragons and that's why castles
were fortified and there wastesla towers and knights.
Armors was actually designed tolike fight electromagnetic
weapons and shit like that.
Is it something like that?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:14:49):
it was more towards the families or tribes
and what they did, what theycontrolled, and the regions.
It didn't get into anythingthat would we would consider uh,
mythical or um, any anythinglike that.
But it was like conquering and,you know, taking over, and it,

(01:15:14):
uh, it seemed to be the worldlike there was a world before
and there was a world after thecollapse or after the flood or
the whatever, some sort ofcataclysm, yeah, and all I know
is that one.
I wish I had it because therewas a lot I'd like to reference

(01:15:34):
from it.
But the other thing is, youthink you know something and
then there's like, lot I'd liketo reference from.
But the other thing is, uh, youthink you know something and
then there's like, oh, no, this.
It's like, uh, men in black, youknow, like, you're gonna let
them, you, we gotta let themknow that they're living in a,
in a locker.
You know there's much more tothe world than that.
And the dude's like, oh, youdon't know anything, opens up
the door and then they're in alocker, you know, and then the
whole, you, they got the wholetrain station for aliens.

(01:15:57):
And you know, uh, that's how,the like, the more you research,
the more you'll find I.
That's why I was always big, abig proponent.
Everybody's like, oh, let'sraid epstein's island.
I go, yeah, cool, let's raidthe vatican vault.
That's where, to me I thinkthat's where the world's secrets
are everything I'm with you youknow when they tell us oh yeah,

(01:16:18):
they took all the stuff andthen they burned it.
No, they didn't, they got milesof information under there.
Yeah, but it's information.
They sought out information tolearn more about the world or
whatever, to get a betteradvantage of stuff, and then
they're just going to burn itand stuff.
No, get a better advantage ofstuff, and then they're just
going to burn it and stuff.
These guys took that charts inthis way.

(01:16:39):
They're trying to predictwhatever they can, from
astrology all the way down tonumerology, and making things
happen.
What do they know?
What do they know about theherbs in that area that we don't
know?
You know what's written down.
What kind of medical proceduresare they doing over here that
we could benefit?
You know what I'm saying?
They just burned it, you know,took all the gold.

Trez Mala (01:17:02):
That was it.
Now, pretty much tied back towhat else you said too.
If they were able to raisetheir vibration or use powers
that are already accessible tous, but just suppress it from
everyone else, so they're theonly ones that can use it.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:17:14):
It's the same thing with knowledge have you,
have you guys, ever heard of theancient miners theory?
Not sure, god yeah, not suretell us so when I was going down
my uh, uh, tartarian, uh rabbithole, I came across this thing
called the ancient miners and uh, have you ever heard of like

(01:17:37):
all the?
All the rivers and lakes, likein the united states, are fake.
They're man-made.

Trez Mala (01:17:44):
I have heard people say that they were excavated,
yeah, or like blown out withdynamite or something.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:17:49):
They're a construct, right.
So ancient miners theory isthere's these aliens, there's a
life form that came here to minethe minerals, but the planet
wasn't, uh, as you would say, um, fully developed, right, so
there's a phenomenon whenlightning strikes and hits the

(01:18:12):
ground, if it's the right kindof minerals and stuff, it'll
make.
When that that electricitydisperses, and you know how it
does, its patterns and stuff,the scarring on the earth, right
, it'll where that energy goes.
If there's the right kind ofminerals, it'll actually make a
mineral.

(01:18:33):
Like it'll make.
It's, uh, it's like a form ofalchemy or whatnot, like
combining, right.
So you know how, like, uh, they, they're always trying to turn
lead into gold, right, thechemistry and stuff.
Well, apparently, with theamount of heat from saying, like
a lightning strike and theright elements, gold can be made

(01:18:54):
.
Right, gold can actually appearand I think that's how actually
gold comes from is some sort ofenergy and the elements makes
it.
So, with the lightning hittingthe area, it would make, uh,
this pattern.
Okay, now, one of the things is, with this pattern, the pattern

(01:19:16):
has, like very lightningstriking stuff or electricity,
it has a very distinct branchpattern and there's these parts
where it connects and it kind ofmakes like a four right.
So this dude, like, breaks down.
He goes you look at all therivers, you look at all the
streams.
You look at all the from thegrand canyon stuff, the rivers,

(01:19:36):
you look at all the streams, youlook at all the from the grand
canyon stuff.
This looks like a lightningstrike in these areas that made
all this.
And then something would haveto come and excavate all that
out, right, so with the body,water or a source of water
around aquifer underneath, whynot, if they were to be able to

(01:19:57):
use giant water cannons orsomething like that?
Because what's the best way tocut through anything is water,
right, high pressure water cancut through metal.
Right, blast it all out, breakit all down and take the gold,
take the ore, take whateverthey're able to create.
So this guy uses ademonstration of a wooden table

(01:20:23):
and this is art that they do andthey take an electric pan or
whatever it is and they put itin the wood and it burns all
through the wood.

Trez Mala (01:20:33):
It's like a Bainey Rudy looking pattern yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:20:37):
And as you're watching this happen, you're
like that's the grand canyon,that's the grand canyon right
there.
Because, dude, I I do tours tothe grand canyon and there's
parts of the tour where I'm likethis, this doesn't make sense
for a river to cut all this out,all the stuff off to the sides,
the branches, it looks likelungs, like the, the pulmonary,

(01:20:57):
you know the brachial, you knowtrack or whatnot.
And so then, if you think aboutit, if there was some, if there
was some being or somethinghere that had that technology to
do that and then had then touse the hydro to loosen it all
up so they can break it out, andthey had just imagine, if they
had giants, that'd be easy workfor them pull it up.

(01:21:18):
But then to get down to thenitty-gritty, they make the ants
, right.
So we go down there and we'repanning for gold and you know
what I mean like we're stilldigging it up today.
But there's part of these likein these, in these areas, these
regions, there's part of theselike, like in these, in these
areas, these regions, there'spart of where this gold is that
they were just like fuck it,dude, we're not just, we're not

(01:21:41):
getting all the way in there,like that's, that's for here,
you know, but when you look atthat electrical thing and you
look at the, the burning of thewood, and you look at all the
rivers and all the stuff, you'relike, holy shit, you can't
really just draw, you can'tsmoke that enough, enough weed
to just pull that out of yourass, right?

(01:22:03):
Like, this is something I'dhave to go like.
Well, the math here is what'sputting these together.
Like, because, again, when itcomes to the grand canyon,
there's a bunch of shit.
This doesn't make sense as faras the flow of the river and all
the stuff around it.
But the big gaps of likepillars in the middle, pretty

(01:22:27):
much no, no, no, there's uh, sothere's these big.
So you have like these layers inthe, on the, on the wall right,
it looks like years that.
Then there's like this hugeflat, you know, section, it's
probably like 1200 feet, that'sjust a band goes all the way
around and it's like that.
You know, it's like that in ina couple spots and it was like

(01:22:49):
that's a massive somethingmovement, something to happen
right there and it's clean, it's.
It's, but it's all it's.
It's a layer of the grandcanyon.
To me, I think that was like abig harvest is that layer?

"Headhunter" Higgins (01:23:05):
that smooth layer.
Is it vitrified?

Trez Mala (01:23:07):
what do you mean?

I'm a vitrified is when, um rock is
heated up to its molten and thenit, and then it cures and it
becomes smooth like glass.
They find this in peru andmontepichu.
They find it in the andesmountains, in certain areas
where literally, rock was heatedup to temperatures that we
can't even comprehend here onearth today, and it's like what

(01:23:29):
happens from a nuclear blast itvitrifies the rock, it turns it
into like a shiny, flat glass.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:23:37):
It vitrifies the rock it turns it into like a
shiny flat glass.
I was just wondering if that'show it appeared.
No, um, not from where?
Not from what I've seen.
I haven't seen anything likethat.
When I say smooth, it's notlike um, it's not smooth as far
as, like you know, to the touch.
It's smooth as far as it's aclean section that goes, you
know, around the whole thing.

It's in comparison to the jagged pieces.
It's very smooth In comparisonto the other pieces.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:24:00):
Yeah, you're seeing layers and all of a
sudden, this big layer.

That's a tremendous amount of time too.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:24:11):
Exactly.
It seems like it was somethingthat would happen quick to be
able to do that With otherthings.
It looks like it's stripping,stripping, stripping, but then
that's just along the wall.
But then there's things that go.
It all goes in, like thatelectric.
Everything goes down the centerbut it's still burning out.
Again makes a lot of sense.
And then, as you're talkingabout the pillars and stuff down

(01:24:31):
there, why can't we go?
There's a few places we can'twe go.
There's a certain there's a fewplaces we can't go to the grand
canyon, you know, and you knowwhat else is crazy about the
grand canyon?
They have the most uh, at leastthis is some years ago but they
had the most amount of escapedconvicts living in the grand
canyon because the terrain's sognarly and stuff they pretty
much can't afford to rescue oror retrieve or anything like

(01:24:54):
that.
So, yeah, when people disappear, it's like, well, they could be
a serial killer living outthere that they've never got.
You know who knows.
But I like the hood, you know.
But um, there's.
You know they talk about thelost city of gold being in the
grand canyon.
That would go along with anancient minor theory.

(01:25:14):
It really would, you know.
And if they had the technologyto do that to the rock?
And then you see how they dohave those pictures of the place
that were like cathedralscarved out in that rock.
You know, it's crazy how we'rejust led to believe that that
shit was just done by somebody,just yeah, I don't know you know

(01:25:35):
?

have you heard of the kincaid expedition?
Down in the in the canyon inthe early 1900s, where he found
all the egyptian gold andartifacts, and then the
smithsonian.
They printed it in the paper,but then the smithsonian came in
and like, no, it's all amistake, never happened yeah,
they, they, uh, they, they didthat.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:25:53):
And then they also, uh, they, they did that
with the giants whenever theyfound like a Giants.
And then, you know, you have toremember, in the late 1800s
late, I'd say 1880s, to like theyou know, 1910s they were
finding Giants all over theplace, you know, and they would
all just mysteriously disappear.
You know, then the Nevada, wehad the, we had the red giant,

(01:26:15):
the hopi indians, uh, killed, orwas it the piutes?

Trez Mala (01:26:20):
one or the other, but uh, was that?
Was it called lovelock cave,the cave where they like trapped
the giant in and smoked themout or whatever, and killed them
?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:26:28):
yep, yep.
And then, uh, they found bonesof something that would have
been at least 14 feet tall.
Um, the femur was like, youknow, basically like my whole
leg or something like my entireleg or thing would have been
massive.
Yeah, man, I mean, they,they've been trying to hide all
sorts of shit.
You know what's crazy aboutnevada?
People we talk about we, wetalk about the bermuda triangle

(01:26:52):
people disappearing dude, wehave our own Bermuda Triangle.
Look it up, man, between here,uh, death Valley and Reno,
there's this area like going onup.
Um, I think it's been over3,000 like missing aircraft.
Uh, over like x amount of yearsor something.
Dude, 3,000 like.

Like what?
It's a strange place.
That's all desert, right.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:16):
Yeah, but you know one thing which this would
be, you know, really fucked up.
But there's a couple of placesyou're not allowed to fly, which
I don't think that many planesflew over the wrong place.
But testing stuff out there allthe time, you know these people
, they see something theyweren't supposed to see get

(01:27:38):
taken down I don't know, that'sa lot of people and to not find
any wreckage.
The other thing is we got area51 or area 52 out there, you
know who knows.
But um, there's a lot of nevadathat has never been.
They say man's foot's nevercrossed, it's uncharted, like
it's too dense to get throughand if somebody has no one's

(01:28:00):
really marked it or anythinglike that.
But there was a billionaire thatflew and he was flying up north
.
He had like this glider planeor something.
I think his name was Fawcettand he disappeared for years.
It took him a long time and Idon't even think when they said
they found him, uh, I don'tthink they were able to confirm,
but he, he got, he died in thetriangle.

(01:28:23):
You know now their excuse isfrom all the radioactive dust
that gets kicked in the air.
It throws off the instrumentsbecause the testing thing is
testing really wasn't done there.
Unless they're not giving usthe truth.
Testing was done in a differentplace.
So unless california had sometesting going on you know

(01:28:44):
everything moves from west toeast, so it would if they were
testing there.
I mean, that's one of thethings about like utah.
Supposedly they have likereally high cancer rates from
the fallout.
That would blow what uh fromwest to the east into utah.
Supposedly they have likereally high cancer rates from
the fallout.
That would blow what uh fromwest to the east into utah, the
they call it the downwind effectand you know from all the
testing in nevada just blowright on in.

(01:29:06):
Here you got your little aaronbrockovich situation where
everybody in towns are gettingcancer like a crazy rate.

They don't know why going back to what you
said about people neverstepping foot in places of, uh,
in certain spots in nevada, man,if if anybody's ever driven
through the canyons of utah orthe deserts of nevada, that is
completely easy to conceive.
I mean, it is ridiculous howvast that shit is.
It's, it's terrifying, actually, like utah the canyons.

(01:29:36):
That's some of the scariestshit I've ever seen.
Yeah, it's, it's terrifying,actually, like utah the canyons.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:29:37):
That's some of the scariest shit I've ever seen
yeah, it's, oh yeah,unbelievable, beautiful, but
right, exactly, terrifying,stunning.
But uh, that's where they gotthat skinwalker ranch dude.
You know, um, I I have.
I have people that you know saythey've been up there and all
stuff and weird shits happen.
You know, um, I have a, I havea friend who has a property
that's supposedly not too farfrom there and he's like, bro, I

(01:29:59):
get spooked out every time I goup there because something,
always just the energy's, theenergy's different dude.
You know, I was just looking atbuying some property in utah.
Man, it was a beautiful placetoo.
No, nowhere near that shit,because I don't play around.
But uh, there's something aboutit.
I mean, the native americansstill don't allow their people
to go on, uh, on that land.

(01:30:21):
You know, there was a placewhere they've supposedly like
there there's a buried treasureor something and like go get it.
Every time they get closersomeone gets.
Uh, one of the dudes, uh, wasattacked by a spirit like he's
like with the scratch marks thatyou're saying they're burning
on the face.
Another dude just had, like ayoung guy just had like a heart
attack out of nowhere.

(01:30:41):
This is like kind of pre-covidwhen all this stuff.
So it's not like you can blamethe vax or anything you know,
but uh, machine breaking,machines breaking down to like
all sorts of crazy stuff wherethis dude spent like over a
million dollars and just thingsjust keep on happening.
I'm trying to get down to thatlittle uh, supposedly some
treasure and shit it sounds like.

Trez Mala (01:31:03):
Oak Island.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:31:05):
It sounds like what.

Oak Island .

"$awbuck" Mike (01:31:07):
Oh not, uh, okay , it's a, it's an.

Island off the coast of Nova Scotia where
they believe like the Holy Grailis buried, a guy, there's a tv
show on it, it's called thecurse of oak island.
But uh, this has beendocumented for hundreds of years
that there's something downthere and they've found like
there's.
I can't even get into how muchshit there is, but they found

(01:31:30):
like ancient, fucking, uh, romancoins.
They found banana hus, whichbanana husks in Canada, but
these date back to like 1300.
So, and it is rigged into suchevery time they start drilling
it floods the chamber.
Yeah, it's a show.
I mean I was turned on to itbefore the show, but there's

(01:31:50):
like 10 seasons of it on the.
History Channel.
It's called the Curse of OakIsland.
It's an interesting show andit's I like those shows that
kind of teach you history andkind of what we're into.
At the same time you mentionedfucking the Utah, the Ranch.
Skinwalker yeah have you everseen the TV show Skinwalker
Ranch?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:32:09):
No.

That's another one that's pretty good.
They're very similar in the waythey approach things.
It seems to be legitimate, butyou know it's on tv so you can
never quite tell yeah, you knowit, it depends.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:32:22):
It depends.
Sometimes stuff slips throughthe cracks.
Sometimes it has to go out, youknow, so they can say, oh, we
told you.

Trez Mala (01:32:30):
I think that's part of it too, and they give them
just enough, and then they'llmislead it just enough as well
give a little bit of truth, alittle bit of lie yeah, I mean,
that's that's been, that's beenlike with everything.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:32:41):
Really, you know .
You know what's really sad isis a lot of times people are
like, oh yeah, you know, like tvisn't what it used to be, or
journalism, you know, and it waslike dude, it was all you know
and it was like dude.
It was all like set up to be apsyop or controlled opposition

(01:33:02):
from day one.
You know, like it's all been,it's all been a part of the
manipulation, you know.
So what we?
A lot of times, what we?
I've gotten away from a lot ofit because I guess it's the idea
that, uh, freedom and truth andstuff like that and free will,
and but, um, it's the idea ofthat stuff.

(01:33:23):
But you would always look toexamples people oh, so-and-so,
used to be like this, and thennow I was like, well, that dude
was probably controlled too.
He just made.
He just was there to make youfeel like it wasn't a runaway
train.
You know, whatever you'refeeling as far as their,
whatever they're selling, youknow I mean everything was all.

(01:33:47):
I mean the hippie movement.
Like every, every single thingis just.
You know.
Yeah, I mean it's.
I mean we are.
We are this country.
This whole thing is the world'sgreatest experiment.
Do you guys know?

that 44 of the 46 presidents can be traced
back to the same bloodline.
They all have common ancestors.

Trez Mala (01:34:12):
They're all the other royal families and shit too.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:34:17):
Who's the only one that's?

not.
I think they're Kennedy and Idon't know if it was Roosevelt.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:34:23):
I don't remember the two.

It's Trump .

"$awbuck" Mike (01:34:25):
Trump.
He's the only one that doesn'thave any ties to the.
I think it all ends up goingback to the Merovingian
bloodline, holy Roman Empire.
I think it all ends up goingback to the Merovingian
bloodline, the Roman Empire.
I think it goes.
I forget which one, but Trumpwas the only one that was not in

(01:34:47):
any way, shape or form.
His bloodline didn't.
So you know, that's weird.
I think that's weird,especially with all the hate
that he gets and stuff.
But again, I a lot of times I'mthinking pro wrestling too.
That's 100 as we're, you knowbut.
I but I, I mean personally, Iwould much rather have the dawn

(01:35:08):
than whatever's coming in.
You know, at least this guy, Imean, I hate to say it, but he's
seems like the only one who'swho's at least saying that he's
trying to do something for, forthis people, for a country you
know what I mean.
Like I like the idea of beingenergy independent.
You know our country, I mean,when you think about it, how do
you, how do you really controlpeople, energy and food, you

(01:35:31):
know, and you can't really doone without the other.
That seems to be going, thatseems to be a big issue right
now.
You know, and all the peoplethat are with uh, you know, with
the democrats and the bigbusinesses, and you know they're
all for us eating bugs and likethat trump's out that Trump's

(01:35:53):
outstretched If you think he isjust a character propped up for
us.
Well, what was it?
I think I do think there's alittle bit of that.
It's really tough to see.
You know, one of the thingsthat doesn't get mentioned was
when Trump was in office, Ibelieve, on two separate

(01:36:15):
occasions his food tasters werepoisoned, wow, and they didn't
bring that up, but when he wasin office, the the two of his
people.
That's why he always goes to uh, he tries to go to random
restaurants and usually goes tofast food.
So people are like, oh, dude,he's always eating mcdonald's
and because, dude, he can justpop into any mcdonald's food

(01:36:36):
ain't going to be poisoned, youknow, and they send them out to
like different locations andstuff.
So they don't even know.
Besides the point, though,there's been other attempts on
his life.
There are a lot of me.
A lot of me is like dude, theyshot at Trump.
You know there's multipleshooters, an inside job.
Then there's a lot I'm lookingat then there's a lot I'm

(01:36:57):
looking at.
I was like, dude, was this, wasthis staged?
I don't, I, I don't, yeah, andI and again, as we were saying,
they throw out so much stuff tomake us go back and forth and da
, da, da.
But I think the thing thatreally, um, when it comes to
trump and stuff is like dude, itseems like all of the eggs are
in one basket with him, you know.
And if that is the case, let'sjust say it is red and blue,

(01:37:21):
black and white.
There's no weirdness going onas far as uh being a staged or
uh inside job.
Let's just say everything islegit.
People tried to take him out.
If he is the one dude, peopletried to take him out.
If he is the one dude and theytook him out, we're, you know,

(01:37:42):
because who else is going tocome in and actually do stuff to
like push for the country?
I don't see anybody that'sdoing I mean the immigration,
you guys, you're, are you inChicago?

Trez Mala (01:37:53):
yeah right.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:37:54):
Are you seeing the effects of the immigrants
coming in?
Because I live in Vegas and letme tell you, dude, the amount
of Mexican people that you don'tnormally see, you see
everywhere and you know, fromthe taco stands to the food
trucks, to the selling the stuffLike it's everywhere now, when

(01:38:16):
it used to not be here but sinceBiden's been.
Stuff like it's everywhere now,when it used to not be here but
over since biden's been in.
It's gone through the roof andthey're not legal.
They're the, the like, uh, the,the businesses that they're
running and stuff.
They're just setting up standsliterally in front of other
restaurants.
Cvs, walgreens are like bam,they're doing their thing.

(01:38:36):
They only do it at night whenthe.
You know what I mean, but theygot all this stuff going.
This was never here before.
You know that's because there'san influx of people trying to
just do whatever the fuck.
What I'm getting at is likethat wasn't the thing, that
didn't, that wasn't happeningwith Trump.
You know what I mean as far asimmigration and stuff.
It was the low, it truly wasthe lowest in our country's
history.
It's the exact opposite now.

(01:38:59):
So, again, if all the eggs arein one basket and it's got to.
You know, if there's going tobe any change, man, it really
got to.
It has to happen on the locallevel.
You know, I tell everybody oh,this is all good, but you guys
keep voting in the same schoolsuperintendent.
You know, you guys keep votingin the same uh, assemblyman and
all these people who actuallyhave more to do with your lives.

(01:39:19):
You know, there was this assholehere in vegas.
It was like oh, you gotta wearyour mask, gotta do a shot, you
can't go out social distancing.
And then, like, a day later,he's doing a bar crawl with
people all drunk, hugging andmaking out with dudes or
whatever, like you know, notmaking out, but you know they're
kissing cheeks and shit.
And it was like oh okay, youcan see the work here.

(01:39:41):
Do as I say, not as I do, typedeal.
And this dude this has been alocal politician, gone unchecked
forever.
It was like dude, get him out.
Obviously this guy is beingtold to do something, and it's
not for the people.
I don't know, though.
You know, as far as the, as faras, uh, you know the, the

(01:40:01):
presidency and all that stuff,dude, whoever's willing to go up
against the system to like thetrue powers that be.
I mean it.
Fuck man, what's gonna happen?
You know what's gonna happen if, like, a civil war breaks out.
You know a lot of.
I got all these.
I got all these.
Like you know what's going tohappen if, like, a civil war
breaks out.
You know a lot of.
I got all these.
I got all these.
Like you know, right-wingfriends like, oh, dude, we got
our guns.
They're sissies and all stuff.

(01:40:22):
And I was like bro, they arebringing in military-aged men
from China, africa, latinAmerica, from Muslim countries.
They're just funneling in dudecountries.
They're just funneling in dudeevery day.
You know you, you're thinkingit's some purple haired lefty

(01:40:42):
who you know who's all about.
You know down with thepatriarchy, and you know what I
mean.
Like no dude, you're gonna.
I mean, look what's going on inbritain right now.
Well, these dudes are gettingstabbed, hacked in with machetes
and shit.
Dude, dude.

Trez Mala (01:40:56):
It's just the perfect storm for the elites, because
then they can get people dividedover an issue, they can bring
in people from cultures that aregoing to cause chaos to the
culture that they're enteringand then, at the same time, if
they do give all these handoutsand they claim everyone is being
racist, so you can almostoppress the people who are just
trying to push back againstprotecting their way of life in

(01:41:18):
a way, so that you're causingthis, uh, division, you're
causing duress, and then thepeople who are coming in and
getting handouts will much moreeasily than obey the order.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:41:29):
Yeah, exactly support the system.

Trez Mala (01:41:30):
Yeah, because they're , they're getting handouts,
they're getting, you know,accommodations.
So they're like all right, wegave you a house, we gave you
all this.
We're, you know, looking outfor you, protecting you from the
racist like uh natives.
Now just follow our new uh uhrules that we're going to
implement.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:41:44):
So we've been having the democrats push to
have illegals to be able to votein our elections yep, and then
they'll be able to give themmilitary service or something
for the right to vote.
Where do you think this is?
It's not a civil war, it's atakeover.
But if that happens, they getthese guys in.
Who do you think Our militaryis to?

(01:42:04):
Not?
You know, they're not to turnon the American people.
Right, they're supposed toprotect the American people.
They're supposed to actually goagainst orders of orders of, of
those type things.
How many would?
Who knows?
I mean there's.
I think they asked the militaryone time would they, would they
turn on the american people?
And like it was like aresounding like you know, 93

(01:42:30):
percent said uh, you know 100?
No, not at all, they never.
Then there was like a like athree percent.
They said yeah, and then therewas like another whatever the
percentage was of it, said Idon't know.
So you just have to lump thosetwo together, saying this amount
of people will fucking turn ontheir own country, their own

(01:42:51):
people, you know.
And, um, now you get all thesepeople in, these military people
, like you said, just coming innow they just want all the
benefits and shit, fuck, yeah,they'll mow us down because
we're threatening their, theirlittle mule plate.
You know, when they're comingin, there's part of it.
But then look at this, thoughagain, democrats been screaming
and saying that the, that therussians and you know they

(01:43:14):
manipulated the election andthat's how trump got in, it's
all russian collusion and allthe shit in the same
motherfucking breath.
They want to say, oh, illegalsshould be able to vote in our
elections.
So if that's the case, thenyou're saying that it's okay for
these russians to come in andvote legally in our elections
because they're illegal or youknow, they can come in over.

(01:43:36):
So that doesn't make sense.
It's like, oh, we just hadthese guys just commit this
fraud, but then it's okay ifthey come over and vote anyways,
you know, but then if you lookat it, if they were to give them
the ability to vote, I thinkthey said all they need is like,
with the voting populationstuff, all they need is, when it

(01:43:59):
comes to the Democrats, 50million of them in there to be
able to vote.
Republicans would never win, orno other party would ever win a
race ever again, because theywould be able to stack the
tables.
And that's what they're tryingto do.
You know, I mean it's right infront of our eyes.
You know, I mean it's right infront of our eyes.
I mean it's happening in frontof us.

(01:44:21):
And again they come at you andthey say oh, you're racist,
you're xenophobic, you're this,that and the other thing for
opposing us or even point it out.
And it's like no, dude, this ishow places get overthrown and
taken over.
And you're like when peoplelook at, oh, how did that happen
?
Well, here, taken over.
And you're like when peoplelook at, oh, how did that happen
?
Well, here's how it's happening.

(01:44:41):
It's just like everybody.
Oh how, if I, if I was around, Iwouldn't let anybody kill it.
Kill a jew, you know I'd killhitler, right.
And then at the same time, likeput on your fucking mask, take
a shot.
You're killing grandma.
It was like that, that's howthey did it.
You're killing grandma.
You know what I mean was likethat, that's how they did it.

(01:45:01):
They got you all fucked.
You're not even thinking foryourself, you know.
Now we have people.
They're just churning them outof college.
Fucking brains are cooked.
It's terrible.
You know what I mean cooked,cooked.
I mean they don't even know,they don't even know male from
female.
You know, I mean they'rearguing about that, dude.
And then they come and saythey're like did they say did
they say black people are toodumb to get an id so they can go

(01:45:23):
and vote?
They don't have a computer,they don't know what the
internet is.

Trez Mala (01:45:27):
They say this shit that they're extremely racist
yeah dude, they're.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:45:34):
They're, mr magoo, to their own racism.
You know if you have to try tonot be racist.
You're racist you know what Imean like, that's just the way
it is you know, and I I'm not.
You know I'm not saying anything, but let me tell you, one of
the most fucking disgustingthings to see in this world is
just, to some, I, to mepersonally I cannot stand people

(01:45:57):
with white guilt.
I can't stand it.
It's so.
It is so gross because one, youknow, first off, I guarantee
none of them ever had theirfamilies ever owned slaves.
I mean, that was such a minuteportion of the pop just to to
take something like that and tojust to denigrate yourself and

(01:46:20):
just to put yourself, oh, youknow, and to think that it's a,
it's a way to be virtuous.
You know, I mean it truly andit goes.
It goes with every race.
But to give it a name, thewhite guilt thing is just, it's
the most cringe thing to watch,dude.

Trez Mala (01:46:39):
I mean, it's cuckold porn you know what I mean, it's
straight cut for dude.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:46:45):
It's brutal, so not my deal this has been a
blast, bro.

Trez Mala (01:46:51):
I said that's funny as oh yeah, dude, I I.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:46:55):
I appreciate you guys having me on them.
Let me ramble.

Trez Mala (01:46:59):
We'd love to have you back on too.

Yeah, see, we do good with no plan.
We just shoot from the hip.
Sometimes it works out.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:47:05):
Right on, dude, you know if you're comfortable
with it.
You know, next time I'll loadup some charts on the oh, we
could get more specific nexttime, but this was great, yeah,
definitely.
I'll, but this was great.
Yeah, definitely I'll break upthe flat earth map let's go.

Trez Mala (01:47:18):
Are you a flat earther?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:47:19):
closing question uh, I'm gonna say yeah.
I'm gonna say yeah, uh, I triedto debunk it and I keep coming
up with uh, everything all comesfrom the same source when it
comes to the globe earth.
But you look everywhere else,there's stuff from all over that
says the other so, um, you knowone thing I, I flat earth, and

(01:47:39):
all that stuff where I'm reallyuh, I really have concern or uh
curiosity with, is uh antarctica.
I think, uh, I think there's, Ithink there's something down
there that uh is life-changingyeah, no doubt.

Do you think antarctica is an ice wall,
or do you think it's in thecenter?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:47:58):
I think it's an ice wall, I think we're in a
lake, I think we're in a like Ithink we're in a well, I don't
want to say I think we're in alake, but it makes sense when
you look at it.
And when you look at like thatmap that shows you all the
different lands, all thedifferent things, and what's

(01:48:19):
funny too is when you look atall that there's a Mars, there's
a Jupiter, there's a, all thisdifferent stuff that's
supposedly outside of hyperborea, or whatever we're at this type
thing, I don't doubt it.
You know there was a time whenthere's people who were actually
able to explore.
We can't go down there.
No, and you know, you know,sure, as it isn't for our safety
right right, I can go buy apack of cigarettes right now you

(01:48:40):
know what I mean.
They're like oh no, it's notsafe for you.
Oh really, you're carrying,concerned about my safety.
Okay, what a joke.
But man, but I, I, you know,there's, there's so much, uh,
you know, I, I like the hollowearth.
Uh, the flat earth tends to makemore sense to me when you look
at it.
I mean, just look at flights,you look at flight patterns, you

(01:49:02):
look at, you know, it goesflatter from that.
But when you look at it, likeall the way they have the, all
the fiber optic cables for ourinternet connection and stuff
like that, they tell us it'sfrom satellites and shit, but
it's all cables that run underthe, under the ocean and then on
a globe you'd have to havethese long ones going all over.

(01:49:23):
But on a flat earth map they'reright there, you know.
So I don't know, I've I've hadpeople uh, disown me for just
questioning it when I was right,you know, questioning it, you
know.
Now I'm just like, well, ifthat's the way you act about it,
then I, if that's your, ifthat's your reaction, your gut
reaction, instead of beingcurious, then makes me think

(01:49:44):
that I'm doing the right thing.

Trez Mala (01:49:47):
You know, definitely we could go flat earth deep that
we've yet to do one on thischannel, uh, in depth.
So something we coulddefinitely do in the future oh,
I I'm.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:49:57):
I'm still a novice, you know, I'm not on
that eddie bravo level.

Trez Mala (01:50:01):
But we would love to get him yeah, yeah, that's the
that dude.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:50:06):
That dude knows a lot.
You know.
What's crazy too is it blows mymind, man, on how much these
guys like him and sam and justother dudes, how much the
information that they know andthey process and they're able to
absorb and where they get itand stuff and at the same time,
you know, still do run theirlives, run their businesses

(01:50:26):
create.
I mean, man, I got a family ofthree and I'm I'm doing my thing
and I I try to put every ounceinto creativity and learning and
shit Scroll yeah.

It gets harder when you get older too,
you know.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:50:46):
Yeah, man, I mean shit.
You got to learn so much.
I'm surprised I got this rig upand going for this.
No, now it's all plug and play.
But, guys, I just want to saythank you.
This was great, you know.
I hope to be on again soon,absolutely.

Trez Mala (01:51:05):
Have a blast.
Thank you for coming, bro.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:51:07):
You bet I was going to say if I can get my
handles, if any of you guys.

Oh yeah, when can everybody find you?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:51:13):
At Trez Mala on Instagram and I'm under Trevor
Trez Mala on Instagram and I'munder trezmala on Facebook.
Or you can find me onthinkstopper one word
thinkstopper on Facebook as well.
But yeah, those are just myhandles, right there you know,

(01:51:33):
if anybody wants to find me,follow me.

Trez Mala (01:51:35):
I'm always talking shit definitely be sure to check
that out and thanks againbrother you bet, guys, I
appreciate it.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:51:44):
And uh, keep up the good work too, man, because
the more conversations that areout there, the more times
people's brains start working.

100 yeah, thanks, man, take it guys thank
youz Mala.

Trez Mala (01:51:58):
That was fun, dude Epic episode.
Shout out to Mike Davis forsetting that one up.
And again, yeah, sometimes wejust riff on an episode and it's
one of our best ones.

Yeah, sam Tripoli, friend too.

Trez Mala (01:52:11):
So should have mentioned to try and have him
negotiate for us, since we'regetting blue bald Something.

when he said you guys know Sam Tripoli,
Sam's the hot girl of theconspiracy community.

Trez Mala (01:52:23):
So we gotta keep trying, I guess.

Yeah, it's like him and Eddie are the prom
king and queen.
There are two prom kings.

Trez Mala (01:52:32):
I would love to get Eddie.

That would be like a fucking three and a
half hour episode.
That'd be fun.
We could talk about everything,all of our favorite shit.
So some of the things that cameup that I wanted to talk about
was something I've been thinkingabout a while, for a while now,
and you said it and it kind oftriggered the thought again.
But I wanted to wait until itwas just our post here, our post

(01:52:57):
like we're doing now again.
But I wanted to wait until itwas just our post here, our post
, like we're doing now.
When you mentioned you googled,um, cabbage, or you googled to
see what plant was closest tohuman and it happened to be
cabbage, got me thinking, likewhen people say, oh, I googled
it, it's so we just assumethat's the truth, right, but
who's controlling google?
Like those people that'sputting that information out
there, right?
Um, and those companies aregenerally companies that don't

(01:53:21):
align with our beliefs.
So it's like true.
So it just got me thinking tolike why do we accept that?
How come every I mean that'slike an argument ender before,
like it used to be likemythbusters was an argument
ender you know, like when youwere talking oh, I saw the
mythbusters, bro it's like, okay, you can't argue it.
It's like the same thing withGoogle.
Now, you know, it's like, dude,I Googled it, google it.
And then you'll be like, ohyeah, he's right.

Trez Mala (01:53:42):
It says it right here , and that could all be
compromised as well, you know.

Just got me thinking.
That's like that's what theywant us to think.
They want us to think that wehave all this information at the
tip of our fingers.
But what if it's not realinformation?
Yeah, you know, like then it'suseless, then we're just getting
dumbed down.
I mean, yeah, very well couldbe, but who knows, that's just a
thought I had.

Trez Mala (01:54:18):
I have a lot of thoughts.
No, I wouldn't say that's adumb one, but yeah it's fun.

I like that uh.
He's a comedian and he's intoit.
You know, that's uh.
Like I said, that's somethingI've always had a fond spot for
in my heart.
He seems like a good dude too.
I was gonna definitely.
Next time we have him on, I'llask him too, because me and my
we go to Vegas every April, soI'll be like, hey, bro, I'll be
out there in April, we should gograb a drink or something.
You know That'd be sick.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:54:43):
Yeah.

Yeah he seems like he'd be a fun guy to
hang out with and, just fuckingyou know, go all crazy with some
shit, oh yeah.
You know?
Yeah, no doubt Go see a set yousay well, in vegas there's
plenty of sets?
Yeah, there is, yeah, a lot ofsets.
Most of them are fake, but yeah, not my thing.
Yeah, yeah, they don't feel thesame definitely don't feel the

(01:55:06):
same whoa what else dude flatearth cover?
I mean he hit a lot of things,he lit a lot of shit bro, he's a
dude the witch story.
Okay, that was crazy.
I think we saw the same witch.
Like, like, the way heexplained her, dude, I was gonna
say too, before he said withthe fingers, I was gonna say,
did she have like long likegnarled fingers?

(01:55:26):
And when he said, yeah, they'relike long like wood.
And I was like, oh, my god,dude, like what, if, what if we,
what if there's like one witchthat, like, like that fucks with
people like you saw the samewitch, bro.
I'm telling you from the waythat dude, she had a nose like
mine, bro, like big old hooknose, bro, you know, big old,
like a jew nose.

(01:55:47):
I'm not jewish, but you knowit's your scottish.
Yeah, I have one percent or twopercent levant, so it's uh,
it's my levant, and uh, which islike syria now modern day syria
, and uh, in scotland, yeah, andmy teeth, I blame on my, my
english, because my teeth areawful and meth and my heroin use
.
That didn't help.
But and that's another thingtoo I wanted to bring up, but,

(01:56:13):
um, I didn't get it, I didn'tget an opportunity to, but I'll
bring it up.
Here is when he said, you know,when he was uh two and he
drowned, yeah, and he felt likea kind of layer was removed, a
layer was removed from his topand I'm thinking it's like okay,
because my evolution in termsof my thinking, like my whole
thought process, and especiallywith the alternative thinking

(01:56:37):
right, has evolved through mywhole life, especially my
adulthood.
You know 44 in two weeks, soit's changed a lot.
However, I wonder like if everytime my five overdoses, I wonder
if every time Open later remoteRight, because it seems like as

(01:56:57):
I've gotten older my mind hasopened more Like know what I
mean.

Trez Mala (01:57:03):
So I don't know if that's just well, I guess shane
was talking about, uh at hisinsider times.
Like they train kids from ayoung age and like sometimes
kids that are, like you know,ritually traumatized and shit
like that, they make the perfectones because something in their
wiring got, you know, messed upto where they could perceive
these types of things that mostpeople normally don't who said

(01:57:25):
that shane sidor, we need tohave fucking shane back on yeah,
for real for sure theilluminati insider, bro.

Uh-huh yeah, those are some fucking.
That was a wild talk, uh yeah,I'll message him.
Yeah, that'd be a fun one Imean, they're all fun they're
all fun fuck yeah yeah, whatelse dude trump?

Trez Mala (01:57:48):
as always, a polarizing figure yeah, so he?

obviously he is on board with trump being
the guy that's gonna save thecountry 100.
He is, I mean, that's what itseemed like.

Trez Mala (01:58:00):
It seems like he's a little bit where I am and a
little bit buying into the Trump.

Seems like he's like 90% Trump's the guy
and maybe 10%.
It could be bullshit.

Trez Mala (01:58:10):
All I know is he's going to be a polarizing and
prevalent figure, for good orfor bad, and I'm just tending to
think he's just playing hisrole.

I really think Kennedy is the is the move
.
I think I and I don't thinkhe's going to get elected.
However, that's who I'm votingfor, and this is the first time
I've ever voted too.
I really when he brought upcivil war.
I really think that's our onlychance.
I really I really believe thatbecause, as we record this today
, kamala picked her VP and hejust so happens to be a

(01:58:44):
socialist, the governor ofMinnesota, who watched his city
fucking burn.
He also was pro sterilizationand mutilation of children.
Their ticket, the Democraticticket, is the furthest left
ticket ever Like.
I'm terrified that, if they dowin, which I think they're going
to now- I do, I think, proppingup trump to win you know, I'd

(01:59:06):
rather see that, but the as I'mwatching this play out six
months ago her own party wasafraid they were, they didn't
want her talking.
They knew how terrible she was.
She was not anything, she wasterrible.
And now the way that theyflipped on her and they're
pushing her to be the savior andeverybody's jumped on board

(01:59:27):
dude and I don't know man, itjust it really scares me because
they're like rallying aroundher big time, dude, and uh, I
just I really feel like if theyget into office, I don't think
we're to have a country in fouryears.
You know, they're both sopro-open borders.
I mean it's just, yeah, it'sscary, dude, scary.

Trez Mala (01:59:50):
And we'll see what the script writers got in store.
The script writers.

Nice, yeah , there definitely is a script
writer, several script writers.
Do you think it's like it is inthe movies where like someone
brings a script and like thewhoever the fuck the director
reads it and there's like nodude, you got to change this
part?
Like, change that part, keep.
This is good.

Trez Mala (02:00:08):
I like this, but like it might be some of that, but I
think they're taking commandsfrom like some ancient ai entity
or some shit dude, wouldn'tthat be something if there is
like an ancient ai entity?

I swear I mean it's inevitable that we
live in a simulation rightsomeone created it already
probably uh, elon musk explainedit and he explained it pretty
well, because I always thoughtthe simulation theory was like
retarded.
But the way he explained it wasbasically what people do is
people make things better.

(02:00:40):
We create, we innovate, rightso, and we do it at a pretty
decent rate.
But let's just say we only,let's say humanity only created
and innovated at a 0.01%, so afraction of 1%, okay, which we
do it much quicker, but we'rejust doing that for argument's
sake.
Now, given the scope of timethe earth's been around for 4.5

(02:01:01):
billion years.
People like us have been aroundfor maybe 250 000 I'm being
generous.
Now, given that scope, it'sinevitable that we're going to
get to a point where reality isindistinguishable from a
simulation so the chances arethat that's already happened a
happened 100, yeah which is justcrazy to think about.
You know what I mean crazy.

(02:01:21):
But the more I think about it,the more I'm like it kind of
does make sense, because thingsare just too perfect, like
there's just some things, dude,that are way too perfect.
And I don't know about you, butever since I was a little kid,
I always felt like I was okay.
I'm going to say the wordbecause I can't think of a

(02:01:42):
better word, but I don't want itto come off like I have this
ego or anything, because it'sthe farthest thing from it.
But I always felt like I wasspecial.
And what I mean is I alwaysfelt like I was destined to I
don't know, I don't know what,but I always felt like I was.
I don't know, I don't know what, but I always felt like I was.
I don't know, and I can now, asI'm older, I kind of feel like,
oh, that's just maybe part ofthe programming from the

(02:02:04):
simulation like I don't know Icould say I feel the same isn't
that, see, isn't that weird, butnot everybody feels like that,
though not everybody has thatmain
character syndrome, dude.
Well, I'm a leo, so fuckingit's natural for me, you know.
But yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, totally when.

(02:02:25):
Okay, here's another thing,dude when I was young, I felt
like everybody that was in mylife, like friends that would
come from school and stuff.
I felt like they didn't reallyexist.
Only when they were around me Ifelt felt like when they went
away, their life just was onpause and it didn't exist until
I was around them.
And then these people arebasically just put here as NPCs

(02:02:46):
for me.
I felt like that when I wasyoung.
Isn't that weird?

Trez Mala (02:02:50):
That's a popular trope in sci-fi or woo-woo
consciousness type of thingsCould be possible, yeah.

Yeah, dude , I'm talking about early 90s.
I felt sci-fi or woo-wooconsciousness type of things
could be possible.
Yeah, yeah, I read, dude, I'mtalking about like.
I'm talking about like early90s.
I felt like that.
It's fucking weird dude.
I don't feel like that anymore,but I did when I was younger.
You always keep your fuckingsides your your uh mohawk
fucking clean, dude.
Like what do you shave it everyday or every other day?

Trez Mala (02:03:16):
no, I just try to get it like every week or something
.

You don't do it yourself.

Trez Mala (02:03:20):
I do it mostly myself and I'll have my dad or my
roommate or someone.

Get the little edges that I'm too afraid
to like, clip it all off youknow, right, right, I have my
wife do too, because I do theside and the back also, and I'll
have her like, I'll try to domy back the best I can, but you
know You'll miss a couple spotshere and there.
So yeah, I'll have her kind ofclean it up and shit for me.
Dude, I've been cutting my ownhair since seventh grade, dude,
with a fucking buzzer.
Same, pretty much.
I mean, I'll still go to thebarber occasionally.

(02:03:45):
I haven't for like five monthsbecause I've been unemployed and
why, you know.

Trez Mala (02:03:50):
But yeah, Beard's looking good it is actually it's
growing in pretty decent.

I got a lot of gray I just shaved, so
you can see like I can't.

"$awbuck" Mike (02:03:59):
But yeah it is.

I got a lot of gray in the motherfucker,
but it's to be expected Mold.
So it's to be expected.
Yeah, you know like I don't wantto.
I have the interview tomorrowright?
So it's like I shaved yesterday, because if I shaved like too
soon I'll fucking break out.
Like a little ration, shit.
I'm hoping it goes well, dude,but hopefully this time tomorrow
I should hopefully knowsomething, because 4 15 is the

(02:04:24):
interview.
I think it'll go well, thoughit's my second one and they
asked for references.
I gave them to them.
It'll be tough, dude, becausemonday and tuesday I'll be
working 6 pm to 6 am it's kindof gay, but you gotta do what
you gotta do.
For now I kind of I like thatthough, because what I'm gonna
be doing, dude, that's gonna belike the best time to do it.
Like people are gonna becalling in like I want to kill

(02:04:46):
myself.
It's like all right, bro, putthe no, I'm just kidding, but,
um, yeah, well, so monday,tuesday, 6 pm to6 am, then I'm
off every wednesday, everythursday, every other Friday but
the Friday shift isn't 12 hours, it's only eight hours and then
Saturday.
So I'm off every Sunday, everyWednesday, every Thursday and

(02:05:08):
every other Friday.
I work three days a week, right, and the night differential.

Trez Mala (02:05:14):
This is going to be a good job for you.

Dude, it'd be perfect because after a year
I'll be certified I.
It's going to be a good job foryou.
Dude, it'd be perfect becauseafter a year I'll be certified.
I could take it anywhere else,you know.
Yeah, you got this, I think, soI think it'll do well, as long
as I don't fucking go into thatinterview and fucking just drop
a bomb, you know.
It's nice, because at a job likethat, I've already told them
yeah, I was a heroin addict for15 years, but that's like an

(02:05:40):
asset in this kind of a job,this job, yeah, so it's like,
and that's what's nice, I don'thave to because I'm too old bro,
like I can't, I can't besomething.
I'm not like I can't, I just Inever could.
But now it's like to the pointwhere it's repulsive.
Like dude, you know, like theheart tattoo fucking yeah it's
just that portillo's with me, mywife and my kids.
Girl's like, oh, that's cool,like they're at the counter.
She's like, oh, that's cool.
What are the hearts?

(02:06:00):
Why only four?
And I'm like I take a deepbreath and I'm like, well, used
to be right here.
You know, I go through thewhole thing and then people's
reaction is just like dude, likewhy are you?
Sharing this with me.
The hat, by the way, toremember the names we didn't
even talk about that.
It was hype, bro.

Trez Mala (02:06:18):
Oh, he dominated he did exactly what he said he was
gonna do kill him.

He made it look so easy, kind of surreal
still, and then, okay, so realquick before you go.
So you saw dana white postfight.
Yeah, yeah, was all likeshitting on below right.

Trez Mala (02:06:32):
And now he's like oh, that was the most viewed belt
rap ever, right 22 million viewsmost.

Yeah, I'm like there's the flip and that's
all he needed to see was thathe could draw.
You know how?
Many muslims in the world shitton right and you know it
doesn't make sense to me.
What is the difference betweenbelal style and gsp?

Trez Mala (02:06:51):
not a whole lot I mean gsp would move around and
throw some karate supermanpunches.

He had a better he had a better jab,
arguably maybe not maybe notanymore.
Jab was looking good I wassaying maybe not even anymore,
you know, but yeah, he, okay,threw some head kicks, other
than that their game was thesame.
Dude, I'm gonna I'm gonna beatyou at my wrestling and I'm
gonna beat you up you know, yeah, people hated, hated on george
at the time and then over timethey respected him.

Trez Mala (02:07:15):
So well, I will get his.
He put his name in the historybook, so that's legendary when
randy couture did it, it wasdominance.

Come on, I just I don't likethat don't play favorites it's
really what it is.
But you know what?
I think he's gonna go on a.
I think he's gonna go uh, andthere's a lot of tough guys like
made off, there's a lot oftough guys.
I think he's gonna go on like afive, six title tough guys.
I think he's going to go onlike a 5-6 title defense streak.
Dude.
I think he's going to reallycement himself, dude which is
awesome.

Trez Mala (02:07:42):
I think so and I hope so.

Yeah, All right bro.
Well, stay away from pedophilesguitar solo.

"$awbuck" Mike (02:08:18):
Thank you, bye.

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