43 | Erik Paulson Pt.2 | The Gracies, Archangels, and Miracles | "If Your Ever Under Attack, Jesus Is The Most Powerful Word You Can Say" - Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

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"$awbuck" Mike (00:01):
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.

"Headhunter" Higg (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.

Your consciousness does not need your
physical body to survive.
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.
It's the coding that projectsthis world we currently live in.
I want you to read the Bible.
We got reptilians just outsideof our frequency zone.

Erik Paulson (00:22):
Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race
.
Ideas are the highest form ofintelligence, and that leads you
to truth and clarity.

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall
soon.
Conspiracy show it's obvious.

The aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge.
We're just one planet.
They would have needed aminimum of six feet of lead
shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of
nl and radiation belt.

"Headhunter" Higgins (00:44):
This is real they really did fake the
moon.

The world is infinitely older than that and I
mean the world with humanbeings in it, skull and bones,
is like one of the villains inthe legion of doom, they said.

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical
flood, the tartaria mud floodconspiracy and chill the
nephilim sightings are going tostart soon.
The Bulldog Ball I want you toread the Bible.
There's magnets in thebasketballs.
There was a political party, athird party Called the
Anti-Masonic Party.
At a point in the United States, the Global Pandemic Treaty

(01:19):
Conspiracy and Chill Podcast.
Do you remember where we wereat?
You said specifically that youwould see a black spiky ball
Squid-like, yeah, or spikysquid-like things.

Yeah, I look like alfalfa.

And this was while you were fighting too.

Yeah, this has been ongoing since I was a
little kid.
Part two yes, part two.

Possible supernatural disruption.
But we're back Possible.

Yeah, yeah, probably, definitely was.
I had to do a clarion afterthat too, just because a lot of
times when you talk about thedark ones or the bad stuff, they
listen in and then they comethrough.
So you got to do a prayer ofprotection and then power of

(02:17):
authority clearance.
Have you guys ever heard of it?

No.

It's from Mark Hargrave and Mark Hargrave has
it's called the prayer ofcovering and the power of
authority prayer, and when Iworked at the chapel, the first
thing you do is a power ofdeliverance and the power of
deliverance is a power ofauthority prayer.
And when you do the power ofauthority prayer, the whole

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objective is with that is to seewhat manifests during that
prayer.
If people glitch, or if theystart crying or laughing, or
sometimes they can't pronouncewords, they stutter.
Uh, it's, the whole thing isdesigned to cut cords of past,

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things that are attached.
You could have.
Sometimes you have hexes orspells that were placed on you
as a little child.
You have hereditary demons andseals, which some of them
attract poverty, sickness, anyinfirmities, bad luck, things

(03:32):
like that.
And that's created from, notcreated, it's just.
Sometimes when you're born it'spassed on.
It's a hereditary seal, it's aDNA seal, it comes from your
forefathers and it's a hybrid.
So it's half quiet, half loudSorry.

We can't hear anything on our end?
Okay good.

So, yeah, I think everyone in the world
should do a Power of Authorityprayer, because what it does it
cuts all ties, it cutsattachments, it cuts.
Sometimes we make deals in oursleep or we agree upon things,
so it cuts all contracts andcreates you back as a sovereign

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human being.
Because we are sovereign fromGod, divine individuals, divine
power.
We have the divine spark withinus and so you can take that
authority back by doing thepower of authority and power of
prayer protect.
It's called prayer of coveringfrom Mark Hargrave, so if you

(04:41):
look him up, you can actuallypunch on it and then download it
or print it and then keep itaround.
And then it's best when you doit with two or three people or
more.
So I'll do that with.
I did it with my uh new fightteam and, uh, a couple of guys.
You could tell they weredealing with some issues.

(05:03):
When they did it, one guy guystarted crying and he couldn't
repeat words.
He couldn't say words.
So a lot of times when we gothrough it, I will say repeat
after me and I'll read theprayer out and then, after I
read it, they have to repeat theword.
So I'll go through a half asentence and they repeat it.
And if they can't repeat someof the words or they can't

(05:25):
remember, sometimes whatever'sin them is trying to stop them
from repeating it.
So I say it again, say it again, I say it again until they can
say it without stuttering it,and then we move forward.
It's not that much, it'sactually two paragraphs.
The prayer of covering is a isa lot bigger, but that covers

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everything.
But if you're ever gonna, youknow, try to try to cut cords
and ties or you feel like youhave a curse or a hex from your
past or from the pastrelationship, just remember we
get courted to all the peoplethat we deal with.
We get corded.
So sometimes you have anattachment with somebody still

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because you're still corded tothem.
So you got to cut those cordsand you actually ask God, the
Father, lord Jesus, holy Spirit,to send forth Archangel Michael
and Archangel Raphael to cutall cords, to cut all cords, cut

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all cords.
Cut all cords.
Neutralize the cords, take thecords straight to Creator and
Archangel Raphael.
Pull out all the roots, alldebris, all non-beneficial
thought patterns, any implants,any negative thought patterns,
anything that's been placed inon or around my field.
Remove it now.
Remove it now, remove it now,neutralize it, take it to
creator.
Now I ask for a final cleanseon myself and anyone else

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involved, and that's the cordcutting from St Michael.
If you want to look it up, it'sfrom a guy named Wayne Brewer,
and Wayne Brewer has a reallygood protocol for cutting cords,
removing entities, removing akarmic demon that's attached to
everyone from birth, thatrecords all your sins.

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If you look him up and justresearch it, it's pretty
interesting.
The other thing is repent andask for forgiveness, which is
the big one, and then, if youaccept Christ as your Savior,
ask him in your heart.
That's a big one, and that'swhat most people need to do,
because they've never done it.
They've never said like is yousay thank you for my life, I'm

(07:43):
sorry, please forgive me, and Ilove you, and you could say it
in that order Thank you, I loveyou, please forgive me, I'm
sorry, thank you, I'm sorry,please forgive me, I love you.
You keep repeating that, thosefour phrases, and it's like a
mantra, but it's to clear yourenergy.
It's extremely important.
You should do it every day.

(08:06):
Hana, awana, pono, I'm notsaying it right?
So, if you look it up, though,if you're having problems with
financial issues.
You can ask for.
You can do the prayer of Jabez.
I had a friend that was a baller.
He used to make a lot of moneyballer.
He's making a lot of money.

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And I said what, besides thefact, do you do to create so
much wealth?
And he said I do the prayer ofJabez with my wife every day.
And he said look it up, justlook it up and then try it.
So silently I looked it up, Ilearned it and I started doing
it every day out in the grassand my meditation out in the ice
bath.
And Tanya said hey, what haveyou been doing lately?

(08:51):
I go why she goes your seminars, you have privates, you have
intensives, you have so manythings.
You're getting booked.
You're getting phone call afterphone.
You're getting them.
What have you been doing?
And I was like, wow, it reallydoes work.

(09:15):
It's a prayer manifestation forwealth.
It's basically it's called thePrayer of Jabez.
Oh, that you would bless me,that you would help broaden my
territory, that you'd place yourgracious hand upon me, protect
me from all evil and all harm,that I do no evil and no harm
for others To others.
Amen.

That's it.
I'm going to start doing itfive times a day.

At what point did it click that some of
the stuff you were experiencingand, like you know, the entities
or whatever else was possiblyfrom rolling with people?

After I'd roll back in the 80s and 90s.
A lot of times, when you have abunch of hard rolls, you would
take off your shirt and yourshorts and then you'd go across
the street and get some foodwith your buddies.
You'd have some food or a beerand sit down and laugh and talk

(10:10):
and then you know if you don't,one of the big things is
showering.

Oh man, yeah, that's immediately where
my head went.
I was like I can't imaginegoing and just hanging out for
hours after.

Well, a lot of people do that.
They think because of thebacteria on your body.
It's good, it builds antibodies, possibly true, but you also
have energy on your body, solike if you have funk in your
brain, if you're going through amental dilemma, if you're
depressed, whatever those are,those are clumps of energy and

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they attach.
So I had a guy whose friendjust got killed.
He was driving his car and heborrowed my friend's car and he
said let me take your car.
It was a really fast car.
He took it out and he went.
He did a U-turn around and hita median, rolled the car, hit
the ground, went up in the air,hit the ground, exploded, blew

(11:04):
up and he burnt in the car.
And what does he do?
He shows up at my gym and hegoes.
Guess what?
My friend just caught on firein my car, rolled my car, it
exploded and he died.
Next thing, you know, he jumpson the floor and he's rolling
and he jumps on me.
He jumped right on me and westarted rolling and I go hey,

(11:27):
are you sure you should berolling?
He goes I, I gotta get my mindoff this and I go.
You shouldn't even be hereright now, you know, and uh,
next thing, you know, I rolledwith them.
I wrote them for about 45minutes and then all of a sudden
, uh, when we were done rolling,he was a happy-go-lucky and
cheerful felt like my bestfriend just died.

(11:50):
So we transferred energy andthat's how I knew that I was
pulling stuff off people.
I would roll with a bunch ofpeople and then I would have
nightmares and I'm like man,these aren't my dreams.
I was having other people'sdreams, like I was another
person.
It was really odd.

And, like you said, you were doing massage
, all types of things.
Working at a bar, I couldtotally see it.
And my time as a trainer.
I have some wild stories I'msure you do as well, like the
first time people meeting me.
I've never met this person intheir life.
It's their first day at the gymtraining and they tell me some
crazy shit.
Within like five minutes oftalking They'll be like oh yeah,

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yesterday my boyfriend died ofan overdose or oh, my family's
really sick, just like alwaysreally terrible things.
And I guess I feel good thatthey were comfortable to tell me
that right off the bat, likesomething about me was telling
them they could do that, but atthe same time I was like man, I
don't even know how to handlethis.

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We're just doing a.

MIT workout Therapy is separate Therapy is
separate.
So a lot of times when you're atrainer, you're a therapist.

A hundred percent.

So you have to set boundaries.
So, like with my guys, what I'lldo is we'll start training,
we'll do a ton of drills andwe'll go through stuff and we'll
roll a little bit and thenwe'll stop and then we'll just
talk about something that'scurrently out and about or
something crazy or whatever, andeveryone's got something to say

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, and so we get into a half hourdiscussion and then we go back
and start rolling again.
What happens a lot of times whenyou are fixing somebody which
is holding pads, when you'reholding pads for people, they
feel compelled.
Or if you're training them andlifting, or if you're giving
them a massage, they feelcompelled that they have to dump

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their, their daily stress offon you and let you know what's
going on.
For one thing, they are doingthat and it is happening and you
know, maybe that's the healingquality that's attracting them
to you, because a lot of peopleneed to talk to people.
There's a lot of mental healthtoday because people sit and

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live on their phones and there'sno personal contact.
People aren't calling peopleanymore.
They'd rather text and sendmessages than have a full on
personal conversation.

That's yeah, that's a good point and I
got a question for you and Ithink I already know what your
answer is going to be.
But, uh, when I would be at oneof the gyms I worked at after
hours and at night, it wascreepy and all the bags would be
swinging like by themselvessometimes and I'm like it makes
sense though this.
There's so much energy beingdumped here, like people release
all their stuff just likewailing on the bags and, uh,

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there was definitely a lot ofpeople also like uh being
scumbags and like cheating ontheir significant other or
whatever at the gym, in thecardio kickboxing classes and
just all types of weird energy.
And I think, dude, I swear thegym has negative energy just
dumped here and that's why it'shaunted.
So have you ever experiencedanything like that?

I clear my gym.
I clear my gym at least once aweek.
Uh, I I obviously use uh prayerbut uh, I use.
Some people say, oh, don't usesage.
Sage does work.
First of all, sage doesn't getrid of demons, but it does get
rid of entities.
They don't like the smell.
It smells like burnt rubber.
And what I do is I leave mycameras on at night and I will

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sage the whole gym.
And when I sage the gym Iusually play the shofar.
Shofar is the ram's horn and byplaying the shafar when I pray
I call in the angels, throughGod and the Holy Spirit, to send
forth the angels, to assign theangels to clear my building.

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Michael Gabriel, Uriel Raphael,northeast, south and west, top
and bottom, ceiling to floor,wall to wall.
So I do a prayer of cleansing,like that.
I ask them to clear and grabanything that's hiding in any
place in the gym, becausesometimes people bring stuff in
and it likes that energy, so ittends to stick around the energy

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where all the violence and hardactivities are.
So sometimes it's good to bringa healer in your school, like a
massage therapist.
That's a good balance.
But if not, you're going tohave to clear your gym, craig
Funk, one of my guys in Michigan.

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Craig was constantly having tonsof that stuff there and he goes
hey, what do you think this is?
I said, turn your lights offand film at night, let me see.
And he had orbs shootingeverywhere.
Now some orbs are dustparticles, but the ones that
shoot and and you'll see himspin and then go left and go

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right, those are spirits.
And if you see like diamonds,those are guides.
Those are higher level spirits.
They aren't usually earthboundspirits or disincarnates.
Those are usually guides orangels.
A lot of times an angel willlook like a kite or a box.

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You'll see a square.
That's usually like a guardianor a guide.

But yeah, if you have that lingering around your
gym.

You're gonna have to.
You can also use salt,consecrated salt, on your door.
You have the salt blessed andthen you use coarse.
I used to use coarse koshersalt and salt my doors.
And then, uh, there's somethingfrom holographic health you can
get and it's the best thing I Iwould recommend everyone in the
world by.
It's called, uh, delete andwhat it is.

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It's a.
It's a little ball.
Oh, let me.
I think I have about, let me it.
I'll just show it to you guys.
All right, okay, this is.
It's called Delete, it's fromholographichealthcom.
And then this is called anEarthSafe Pocket Harmonizer.

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This thing, it stays on, itpulses in front of your bed, it
puts electromagnetic waves outthat don't allow dark ones to
manifest in your room.
So you can get these for yourhouse and there's different
sizes.
They're holographic healthcells.
This little one is good enoughfor a room, for a bedroom, but

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you can get them for your house,you can get them for your gym
and it changes the frequency inyour gym also.

You have one at the gym, I'm assuming.

Actually I don't .
I have something different Atmy gym.
I have, so I make these.
Oh yeah, I have one.
Yeah, the Organites.
So I have these all over theplace.
These have energy and power, aslong as they're clear.
You can clear these things.

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But uh, you know, there's thesaint michael, that one's good.
There's uh, there's prayer andprotection in all of them.
That's uh infused into theliquid when it's being created.
There's prayer put into it.
I also put music and then lightand then usually some holy oil
or holy water, and these aregood, for they help fight
depression.

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These things help fightdepression if you keep them in
your pockets.
They have their own energyfield so you could feel them and
they raise your frequency.
Also, you can keep them on yourphone for protection against
EMFs.
This is called selenite.
I have a selenite ball.

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Sometimes I put it under mypillow and it sucks all negative
energy off.
That works really well too,because some people just you
know, and the biggest thing morethan anything someone says, oh,
I've got this tree, I wear thistree around my neck for
protection.
I go.
How about a cross with Jesus onit?
That works just as good.
Or just having you knowknowledge of God's protection,

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or a white bubble of lightsurrounding and protecting you.
That's extremely important.
It doesn't have to be in atalisman, although things like
an organite they help, but thisisn't the bottom line.
The Holy Spirit's going toprotect you more than anything
and if you are ever under attack, the word Jesus is the most
powerful name you can say.

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You could say God, you can callfor Michael, but it's the word
Jesus that makes them flee anddeter and take off, but it's the
word Jesus makes them flee anddeter and take off.
So that's one of the biggestthings and everyone knows that.
Until it comes to, you know,they want to.
Some people laugh and they denyit, until what happens is

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they're under attack and thensuddenly they go oh, jesus.
And then all of a sudden, ohright, and they go, oh.
So you know, some people have tofigure out for themselves.
You know it's like, uh, when Iwas little, I didn't.
I didn't like acting, I hatedsinging and I couldn't dance in
front of people.
I didn't like any of that stuff.
And, uh, I thought it wascheesy.

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And then I would go to churchand I'd sit there and listen to
everyone talk and I was likethis sounds cheesy, I don't know
.
It just didn't.
It felt different to me, likeI'm like, ok, we're doing all
this stuff.
Why do we have to do all thisstuff?
Why do you have to say allthese things?
And then later I found out itwas just basically about

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connecting and having arelationship with God more than
more than repeating a bunch ofprayers or mantras or whatever
they are.
But there are many differentforms of prayer, ways to pray
and then also meditating.
Prayer is asking and meditatingis receiving.
So I think that people need toknow the difference between both
.
Some people never pray unlessthey're in trouble.
Or they say, oh, please, please, give me a thousand dollars so

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I can pay rent this month, orsomething like that.
You know, sometimes it'semergency.
God's number isn't 911.
So regularly, I think if youhave a relationship, you can
kind of manifest and ask forthings and like-mindedness also
helps.
If you're with somebody thathas the same mindset as you,
it's a lot easier.
What's that?

Definitely Same frequency with multiple
people.

That's right, that's a powerful room.
That's a real powerful room.

"Headhunter" Hi (22:22):
Like-mindedness is real, real powerful so
attention, break free fromnaysayers yeah, well, there are
a lot.

I mean, I have friends that are naysayers.
I have friends that arecompletely opposite and a lot of
things they.
I have friends that areatheists.
I have friends that believethey want other people in charge
of the United States, and I'mnot going to sit here and you
know, in the end I'll tell themconnect to God.

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That's all I'll tell them.
But if you say you likespaghetti and I like pasta, you
know I'm not going to argue andsay, hey, if you don't like
pasta, you're not my friend.
I can't listen to you talkabout pizza, right, who cares?
It's free will.
You could say whatever you want, and that's what the beauty of
being an individualist is ishaving the ability to be

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different than people you know.
And, and the thing is, is whycan't we, why can't we have a
civil conversation just aboutthings?
There's just a lot of hatred, Ithink, and that hatred
contaminates the person'sability to reason.
With things, there's noreasoning, there's no ability to

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talk about some things, becausethe mind's made up right.
They're not open to listen.
I think we need that more.
So today, you know, we're uh,everything's so polarized,
everything's so separated, andthat's the biggest way to keep
keep unity apart is just tosegregate everybody and bring

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them up, bring everybody apart.
You know, one guy says I lovejiu-jitsu, the other guy I love
catch wrestling.
I'm like we'll put themtogether.
We got a pretty good combo,right?
Yeah, no doubt right like.
And then if you go back,jiu-jitsu, kind of the roots
were catch wrestling because alot of the old judokas and

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jiu-jitsu guys were doing catchwrestling to support themselves
or carnival wrestling, you know.
So put the gi on, take the gioff, it doesn't matter yeah.
I mean I wrote a book with twoguys American Submission
Wrestling, and there was a lotof typos.
We hired a guy to go throughall our typos in the book and

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apparently he should have beenfired because we had so many
typos.
One guy said he looked like akindergartner who wrote the book
, but that was his deal.
All the typos weren't corrected.
But anyways, we gave homage toall the different people and we
showed Count Koma Maeda, mitsuMaeda.

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We showed him in wrestling inlittle bikini, wrestling shorts,
doing a half Nelson with a legspiral, and we talked about him
as a catch wrestler and acarnival wrestler.
Back in the old days he hadover a thousand matches.
That's how he supported himself.
To travel around and try topromote judo wouldn't allow the

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competition like that, so he hadto call it jiu-jitsu.
So that's why when he went toto uh, brazil and argentina and
all over the place, he wasn'tallowed to call it judo.
He had to call it jiu-jitsubecause of the fighting aspect
right.

it's uh funny mention that tomorrow I'm
actually wrestling at a carnival.
There's a folk style wrestlingduel at a carnival that I'm
doing with some guys from my gymand I did it last year, so
that's a pretty nice funthrowback.
And then the next day, sunday,I'm doing uh, you know what
collar and elbow is right?
Yeah, we're doing that on IrishFest this Sunday.

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Wow, two days in a row Carnival.

Carnival wrestling that's cool.
Keep it alive.

And then in a weekend after that I'm back
in Wigan with Andrea and themfor the Snake Pit tournament.

Oh, okay, they have another tournament coming
up, yeah, world.

Champions in Wigan, England Wow.

Who won it over there?
I know Angel went over there.

I won it last year.
Oh you won it.

Wow, that's great.

That's how I met them.
That's how I became friendswith them.
They invited me to come to yourgym and train with you and Josh
and do that tournament, andthat was a blast.

You were a wrestler and then you started
10th Planet.
Is that how it worked?

Yeah, I wrestled since I was little and
then high school.
I started doing MMA at first,but I kept getting severe eye
injuries.
It was like no matter whatsomething would happen with my
eyes.
I would get scratched corneas,even to the point I had to
grapple in goggles for a while.

You have a curse or something on your eyes.

It was really starting to feel like
that for a while.

Yeah, that's what the power of authority is
for.
For that, you could actuallycut that.

I'm going to have to.
It almost felt like I was beingpushed more towards the
wrestling and grappling aspect,as well than the MMA route.

As bad as I wanted so you won't get hit in
the eyes.

What's up, you wouldn't get hit in the
eyes so much yeah, I mean I haveI do spar now again, but for a
few years, like there was, Icouldn't even get grazed in the
eye a little bit or I'd be likewincing in pain or on the ground
and I really did think like,wow, is there some sort of like
do around my eyes somehow?

And you could have, yeah, generational curse.
You could have had something.
Uh, again, some people thinkit's past life stuff.
It could be something in yourpast.
You know residual situation.
Some guys are going to watch usand say that, that we're off
the beaten path talking aboutyou know what?

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You know how many books weretaken out of the Bible?

Yeah, many.
The Council of Nicaea, didn'tthey vote on which ones they
wanted in and out?

Yeah, look at the Apocrypha and all the
different things that were takenout.
There was a thing a lady justgave her, her grandmother gave
her a Bible.
It was from 1897, and they weresaying that they couldn't
believe all the Bibles or allthe books that were taken out,
the Book of Jasper and all theseother things.

(28:40):
There's a book called the OtherBible, no the Other, yeah, the
Other Bible, no the Other, maybeOther Gospels, and it's got all
of the other ones in there thatwere taken out Interesting.
Some of them are very powerful.
My friend went through atheology course and he said

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heresy, all heresy, becausethat's what they deem it is
heresy.
But here's the deal.
If it was scripture and it waswritten back then and
historically, wouldn't you wantto kind of read it and just kind
of see like why would they takethis out?
What's the reason?
And and some of it was becauseit was empowerment to keep the

(29:23):
peasants down, literally, sothey wouldn't believe that they
could get killed from not payingtheir taxes and come, they
could come back again and liveanother life.
So some of that was taken out.
So it's interesting to see.
Um, I think I saved it.
I saved it this morning forthat purpose, if I can find it

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here.
Wow, you got a carnivalwrestler carnival wrestling
coming out.

That's pretty cool it's gonna be fun
you know.

Do you guys believe satellites are real or
are they on balloons?
Are satellites on balloons?

probably.
I've seen the balloon thing.
Yeah, the helium, and do you,uh, do you think there's a
firmament?

of course, of course it's, it's biblical.
There's a firmament above andbelow to protect us from the
waters and also to when thefallen angels were cast to Earth
.
How are you going to keep themhere?
How are you going to imprisonthem?
Otherwise they could exaltthemselves to go back to heaven,
right?
So one of the ways to keep themhere is put a firmament over

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the, over our realm, as, uh,nikola tesla called it.
He called it that we're livingin a realm and there's many
realms outside the ice wall.
They're not up, they're out.
Everyone thinks they're up,they're out.
They're not up, they're notabove us, they're out, beyond
the ice walls.
That's outer space and also theocean.

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Look how much right there'sunknown about the ocean, the
life in the ocean and all thebases in the ocean and
everything different life.
And then also there's portalsfrom the the walls, there's
openings.
If you look at some of the mapsfrom a long time ago, you, we
got the ring, and then there'sland outside the ring and then

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there's another ring, landoutside the ring, and then it
even shows that there's Valhallaout there.
It shows that there is Asgard.
It shows that all the differentlands, land of giants, land of
clones, they're all differentrealms, like we're living in
around Mars is out there, not up.
And it's funny because a lot ofthe, a lot of the stuff that

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they show like, oh, we've got arover on Mars, you're in Canada,
you're out in Canada on anisland, and they found out where
they were shooting it at andthen all of a sudden you got a
rat walking on the thing, orbubbles from space.
We're in space, we're in thespace.

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And then you got bubbles andthe guy's string.
Still.
They forgot to take his stringoff.
Um, photoshop it out.
Guys, bounce around on a greenscreen or underwater oh yeah, a
lot of space.
That's in a pool.
He's a black belt or go core.
He sent me a video, a perfectvideo, of the moon landing and I
was like, wow, that's reallycool, where'd you get that?

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And he goes oh, from my filmteacher.
He's a Black Cloud or GoldCorps.
He sent me a video, a perfectvideo, of the moon landing and I
was like, wow, that's reallycool, where'd you get that?
And he goes oh, from my filmteacher here at LSU.
And he goes.
He was a student of StanleyKubrick.
They filmed the entire moonlanding out here in the desert
Faces.
In the background they'reshowing the lights falling and
because it was footage that was,they tried to erase it, like
now nasa's even saying we neverwent to space what do you think

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they're getting ready to try andtell us space?
is out.
It's not up.
I don't believe it's up.
You know, I did believe for along time.
I thought everyone was crazy.
We talked about the whole flatearth thing.
So it's like, apparently it'slike a pair or a turtle, more
like a parrot or a turtle theshape of the earth, because it's

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a shell type of deal, like aconcave dish, yeah, and they
have footage of, uh, this guythat went beyond the ice walls
and he said look at this, and itwas stands that were holding

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part of the firmament dome.
And he, there was two videosthat came up and disappeared
like in two days and it showedthe some of the stands.
It looked like you ever seenthose stands that hold the big
bridges up uh-huh it was likethat, but it was.
It was out like that and likethat, and then you could see the
dome sitting over the wholething attached to it.

I remember I had seen something that
someone claimed was past the icewall and there was like snowy
pyramids and like Norse lookingstatues and stuff like well,
there's all different types.

They keep scrubbing.
That's one of the things like.
During covid I was friends witha group of people and then a
couple ladies, and this lady hadso much information stored in
her facebook file she said Itruly believe you're a patriot.

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I'm going to share this withyou.
Can you do me a favor and sharethis with as many people as you
can Get this information out?
And it was on everything.
So during the COVID time I wassending massive texts to all my
friends.
One of my friends from Canadagoes, eric, quit sending me all

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this batshit crazy stuff and Isaid well, he didn't want to
even look at it.
And that's the thing Like whenyou're doing a ton of research
and you're looking and lookingand looking and going deeper and
deeper and deeper into stuff.
You're doing research, you'relooking into as many things as
to find as many credible sourcesas possible.

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Most people won't do that.
So when you share somethingopenly with somebody and they go
, you're crazy.
You know, like if you justwalked up to somebody, go, my
house is haunted.
They go, what get out of here?
You're nuts.

But then if you tell them the backstory,
you know, then all of a suddenthey go oh, and there is just so
much backstory because it allties into something else, into
something else and it is a lotto give someone at surface level
.

What do we focus on, though?
Like I was so heavily into UFOsand Bigfoot and cryptic, all
the cryptoids and all the weirdstuff and ghosts, and I think,
because of the fact that I wasalways on my mind, I think you
attract all that stuff.
It's your power of intention.

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And the second, I quit talkingabout it.
They quit coming around me asmuch and I didn't notice them as
much.
So that's it.
What comes out of your mouth iswhat you attract, and, uh, I
think sometimes there's a lot ofthings that we see today with
with ai, ai generated images,and then that's another easy way

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for them to debunk stuff.
If, if something is real, theysay, say, oh that's AI, oh
that's fake, but noteverything's fake, but everyone
will discount it.
Now, oh that's fake, oh that'sAI.
So that's the problem.
That's why you have to gothrough multiple sources to see
if it's credible or not.
And then the other thing youhave to check to see do I really

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need to know this?
Right, like about the guy.
So I was at dinner one time withmy family and I said do you
hear about the guy that createda car that was operated on water
?
And my brother's wife's parents, her dad goes that's not

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possible.
They need gasoline and a sparkto ignite.
And I go well, this guy createda water-driven vehicle.
And this guy was arguing withme, arguing, arguing devout
Catholic.
You know, eric, quit spreadingthis misinformation.
And I go it's actually not.
And then I looked at my dad.
I go hey, dad, remember when Itold you about that guy?

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He goes oh, I think I remember,but I didn't have anyone to
back me up.
He goes it's not possible.
And then after he died God resthis soul uh, I find an article,
not an article, I find theentire.
It was on Instagram stories orFacebook stories, it was on a

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bunch of different things and itwas talking about the guy
there's more than one guy thatcreated a vehicle that's
operated with just water aloneand they were killed.

Yep.

So it's just funny how someone, if they don't
want to believe you, they justtell you full of crap and and
they, you know, just try todebunk everything.
So, like my wife says, knowyour audience.
True, when you're talking topeople, you know, be careful who
you're talking to, because noteveryone that's smiling at you
is your friend, nor do theybelieve you and they're also

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judging you.
And that happens a lot, youknow, and that's why I always
try to remain quiet when I'maround a bunch of people,
because I don't like to open myblabber, which I've had a habit
of doing in the past you don'tneed to blow your cover.

You don't need to reveal your power level
to everybody and then everyonegoes what the hell?

he's crazy or a mad scientist.
There's a difference, you know.
If you don't do research, thenand you just spout things off,
then you know you're talking outyour ass.
But if you one of my friendssaid I'm a critical thinker,
quit sending me this shit, youknow, and I go okay.
Well then, I guess I'm not.
I'm not a.
I'm a critical thinker, quitsending me this shit, and I go

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okay.
Well then, I guess I'm not.
What is a critical thinkeranyways?
What is a critic?
Someone who just sits andcritically thinks about things
Like in depth, is that what thatis, or what is it?
Is it a scientist that goesinto case study after case study
?

I think the definition of it is just
critic, criticizing everythingthat everyone else says.
That's all he does.

Oh, you mean a fact checker?
Fact checker, the fact checkersare the ones that need to be
fact checked.
Zuckerberg, while he wasactually sitting on the stand,
they asked him about factchecking and they said it's
opinion-based.
Admit it, fact checking.
And they said it's opinionbased.
Admit it, he said it's opinionbased.
We hired these people that havetheir opinions and if they read

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it and they don't agree, theythey say that's not true.
Fact checkers need to be factchecked.
Quit fact checking.
Like for real.
Do your own, man.
If you get sent something,don't go to Snopes and fact
check it.
Do your own research.
Go check it out yourself.
Go check out multiple sources.

As Eddie Bravo would say look into it, Look
into it?

Do you think AI is demonic?

I think it's yes , I do yeah, yeah I think that's
where it's going yeah, thefallen angels.
They don't have bodies anymore.
They don't have their bodies.
They're in another dimensionand they can.
They can come through that way.
That's an easy way.
Uh, what is siri?
Is it sir Siri?
Or what's the other one, alexa?

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Tell it to turn off its thirdeye and then ask it a question,
or turn on its third eye.
Turn on your third eye and thenask it a question.
What happens?
It reveals the truth.

Oh, I've watched it but I never interact
with those things.
I've never spoken to an AI andsaid hey, Siri, you don't have
to Well, you actually do.

every day.
You're around them Becausethey're listening.

Yeah, for sure.

It's a CIA listening device or NSA?
No doubt that's what they'refor.
So in the new world order, theycan listen in on everybody.
And there's more things thatcan listen in on you than just
that, alexa.
You know your washing machine,your TVs, your smart TVs that

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are off.
They're not off.
Your phones can listen to youall the time.

They're always connected to the internet, even
when they're off right, so theyhave some kind of conductivity.

Even when you say, man, I really got to go to
the bathroom and then all of asudden you hear a toilet making
noise.
It's calling you.

Smart toilets now too.

Yeah, I have one of those.
I got neck surgery.
Best gift I got from my buddywas a bidet.
You guys have a bidet, I don't.

I've used one once .
Yeah, don't have oneet.
You guys have a bidet.

I don't.
I've used one once.
Yeah, don't have one, you gottaget one.
I sit on that thing for hours.
No, I'm kidding, let's wear one.
No, it's the best thing ever,and once you have one,
everywhere you go you wishthere's a bidet.

You get spoiled, spoiled butthole.

It's great.
I mean, first of all, you don'thave to use half a roll of
toilet paper, you just use thebidet and then like two sheets
is good, then you wash yourhands.

That's an experience I'll have to have.

Yeah Well, I experienced it in Japan.
And then when I got back I'mlike man.
And then I went to Europe andthey had them.
And then I worked on the movieAmerican Ninja 5 in Venezuela
and there was one in my room andI walk into my room and I go

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what is this?
Two toilets?
And I turn the thing on and itshot a stream of water in my
mouth because I was looking downand I was like oh and I drank.
I drank like two pints of toiletwater and I had dysentery.
I lost 25 pounds on the set I Iwas literally the next day.

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It was just coming out of bothends venezuelan toilet water.
Oh my gosh, I drank.
I drank like two huge pints ofwater, not on purpose, and then
I moved my head and it washitting the ceiling, so I turned
it off.
It was dripping on my head.
And then the other thingsomebody, nobody, told me that I

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should brush my teeth withbottled water.
So I was brushing my teeth withtap water and that's how I got
dysentery also.

What are some of your favorite places?
You traveled in your career inteaching and fighting.

Scotland.
I love Edinburgh, scotland.
I like the country itself.
I've only been to Ireland onetime.
I liked Ireland.
I have family in Ireland also,in ireland also.
Uh, I like germany.
I've been to germany many times, 25 years.
Uh, italy, I go time.

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I go to torino.
I've been to rome and um milan,but I I go to torino every year
and I really like it there.
I have a lot of good friendsthere.
And uh, sweden, I used to go tostockholm and oops, sweden, I
used to go to Stockholm andUppsala.
I loved Sweden.
I didn't like the cigarettesmoking.
Everyone smoked cigarettes inthe nightclubs.
I didn't like that.
But stay out of nightclubs.
I guess you wouldn't have toworry, right?
Did you go to the Coliseum inRome?

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Yes, I've been to the Coliseum.
How was that?
I was there last year.
It's cool, it's cool, it's big,it's cool.
I snuck in and I got in trouble.
I got caught sneaking aroundand I just wanted to feel the
energy.

Insane right.

Yeah, I mean, if you realize that they used to
fill that thing full of waterand have battles, ship battles,
ship battles, then they woulddry it out and they'd have all
the barbaric fights amongst allthe gladiators they used to have
and then let the lions loose.

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You could even see the penswhere they were holding the
slaves.
I have pictures of that.
It's crazy.
There's so much history there.

That is nuts.

I've never been to Romania, but I've heard you
can feel that there's a lot oftorturous energy there, and also
Poland too.
I felt a lot of repressedenergy in Poland, real repressed
, and I took a picture at myfriend's school and he had a

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thousand orbs in his school justfloating around everywhere.
I was like, wow, the energy inyour gym is super heavy and I
had wondered if, like, maybe itwas something before that One of
my friends have his school usedto be an abortion clinic.
Oh my God, yeah.

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And he had a demon, I'm sure,in in the on one side of his.
On the side that was abortionclinic, there was a demon that
was stuck there and it was scaryto turn off the lights.
You were afraid, you get scared, like you could feel it.
It was like a demon of fear, itwas kind of scary.

Yeah, that's the last place I would
want my gym.

That was Greg Nelson.

Man.

That was Greg Nelson's school in Minnesota.
He had that for a while.
It was just weird.
One side was scary, the otherside wasn't, and you could kind
of feel it.
It felt really kind of dark.
You got rid of it.
No, he moved out and opened ahuge place.
Now he has a very huge,thriving gym.

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He's a great coach.
John Greg Nelson is one of thebest MMA coaches in the world.
He's got many black belts he'screated throughout the years
Wrestled at the University ofMinnesota.
Him and I were gymnasts.
We competed against each otherin high school and then I saw
him at Minnesota Kali Group in1982.

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And he was kicking tie pads andsparring with Rick Fay with all
the hockey gear on and theywere going at it with double
sticks, stick and dagger.
I think one guy had sticks,another guy had a staff.
Then one time they had abaseball bat versus a double
stick and I walked in and I go,oh man, this is cool.

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And he walked in.
And I go, oh man, this is cool.
And he walked over.
He goes, we're not open yet andthey slammed the door in my
face.
I was, I think, a sophomore orjunior in high school and I had
to sit outside and wait till thegym opened.
But yeah, I just had Greg at myschool.
Greg went through stage fourcancer not HodHodgkin's and beat

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it.

Amazing Stage four .
Wow, that's crazy.

Yes, non-hodgkin's lymphoma.
I knew he had cancer beforethey diagnosed him with cancer.
We went to a restaurant and wesat down.
He said my back's hurting.
I said did you get hit or fromtraining?
He goes, no.
So I said well, let me come toyour house.
And I went to his house and Iworked on him for about two

(48:41):
hours and, uh, massaged him andadjusted him and I said go
upstairs and take a hot bath.
I'm gonna call you and see howyou feel on my way home.
So I called him and he, uh, hesaid he didn't feel any better
and all of a sudden I startedautomatic writing.
I got home and started writing.
I was in the bathtub, I went,took a hot bath, hot salt bath

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and I started writing.
I was just scribbling and Ileft the scribbles on my mom's
bed, dried off and got dressed,and she goes hey, what's that?
What's that writing on my bed?
And I go.
I was in the bathtub and I hadall these thoughts coming to me

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and I just started writing themdown really fast.
And she goes what are all thedroplets of water on it?
And I go oh, those are my tears.
And she goes why, what's wrong?
And I go, I think what's stagefour, non-hodgkin's lymphoma?
And she goes that's a deathsentence.
She goes, why do you ask that?
And I go I think that's whatGreg has.
And she goes well, why wouldyou say that?

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And I go, I don't know I andshe goes, well, why would you
say that?
And I go, I don't know.
I don't know who told me that,but that's what I kept thinking.
It's stage four, not Hodgkin'slymphoma.
And then a week later I get aphone call that says hey, do you
know?
Greg Nelson's in the hospital.
And I go, he is.
And they go yeah, did you hearwhat happened?
And I go, she got cancer.

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She goes.
Who told you?
I was like, oh my gosh, thatwas weird.
It freaked me out because Iknew.
I knew when I put my hands onhim, that he was sick.
He had a tumor on his liver anda tumor on his kidneys.
Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke,doesn't party, do drugs.
So you can't tell me that's nothereditary, right?

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That's something from the past.
How do you get a huge, you know, eight inch or eight millimeter
?
These tumors he had were huge.
They kind of happened at thesame time, but Greg was a
Buddhist before he got saved anduh, he you know he's into thai

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boxing and anyways he went tothailand and when he got saved
he got attacked.
He had a demon come in and justland on him.
This black thing, like ablanket, just covered him.
And same thing, he said, likejesus, and the thing would just
like took off off of him.
He watched it come off, go offof him.

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It's like a black blanket.
That's what he was gettingsaved.
And then he went to thailandand he's walking down the street
with uh, two of his buddies anda wooden spear out of the
forest comes and hits him rightin the middle of the back.
It's like a, he said it waslike an eight foot spear thrown
from someone in the jungle Justhit him right in the middle of

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the back and dropped him to hisknees.
He's lucky it wasn't sharpened,that is crazy.
Yeah, yeah, he could professthat.
But he also.
He also had an angel in hisroom that appeared to him and
that worked on him and healedhim.
I had no idea.
He said it looked like a Asian,tall Asian man.

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Him and his mom talked to himfor like four hours and Greg
couldn't be touched and the uh,this guy said let me put my
hands on you.
He goes, I can't, nobody couldtouch me.
He goes.
If you touch me at, my skinburns with the chemo and he goes
just let me put my hands on youand comfort you, put his hands

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on him, started working on him,him.
And then he goes.
He's working on his body.
He's like, oh, okay, you're nothurting me.
And he goes okay, that shouldbe about it.
Okay, all right, you're gonnabe fine, just wanna let you know
you're gonna be fine.
I hope you feel better.
And then he left.

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Next morning he was like I'mgonna be fine.
They went to sleep.
Next morning the nurse comes inHim and his mom go.
Hey, whoever that nurse was thatworked on Greg last night was
amazing, because he was such afine young man.
I was talking to him the wholetime and he was working on Greg

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and the lady goes what are youtalking about?
She goes the nurse that was onduty, that was working on Greg.
She goes I'm the nurse on duty,there was no other nurse here
and his mom's like, but we weretalking to him all night long.
She goes there's no other nursehere, that was Greg's.
Greg didn't tell me that untilgeez, five years after all that

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happened.
I did four benefits for him.
I did four benefits for TerryGibson, also another martial
artist.
He had brain cancer and youknow when people get sick I like
to do something for them.
So Greg and I were likebrothers, so I did a bunch of

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seminars and just donated theproceeds to his family to help
with medical bills.
Pretty crazy.
I think that's very valuablefor you to do stuff like that,
because you got to give it back,definitely.
What does it take?
Your time, what's your time?
You know, if you love somebodyand you do something for

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somebody, that will come back toyou someday.
I didn't do it for that reason.
I did it so Greg would behealed and help his family out
during the million-dollarstruggle for cancer.
You know he had two cancers.
It's crazy.
Now he's thriving, he's back.
I mean he's super blessed,blessed.
God looks after him.

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Now his school is thriving,he's doing seminars, he's got
guys fighting.
Uh, you know greg?
Do you know him at all?
I think so.
Yeah, greg nelson.
He's in brooklyn park,minnesota.

He owns a gym called the academy I'm sure
I might not just be putting aface to the name at the moment.

John Shirk, dave Manet, okay, for sure.

Tommy.
He was on Brock's team.
He was Brock's coach.
He brought me onto Brock's teamwith him.

Can I ask you a fighting question?
Kind of bring it full circle towhere we started this.
I wanted to know if you were aparticipant in the very first
UFC.
How do you think you would havefared?
I think you would have donevery, very well.

I was training with Hoyce and Horian and then I
went to Hickson's and they saidthat they're doing the UFC and
they're looking for a shootfighter from Japan.
And they said they're doing theufc and they're looking for a
shoot fighter from japan.
And I they said, would you beinterested?
And I said what is this in?
They go the ultimate fightingchampionship.

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But I said, well, isn't horianputting that on?
So I thought it was atournament, so, like you would
fight all these other guys, butthey, ultimately you're going to
end up fighting.
If you get through thetournament, you fight.
You would have to fight mybrother and Hoyce was my teacher
, also my friend, and I was hisbartender.

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He used to come in and drinkcranberry and orange juice at my
bar.
I worked at a beach bar inmanhattan beach and all the, all
the gracies and machados usedto come in and I used.
It was a fun dance place andthere's a lot of hot beach girls
there that they would come inand see and it was a fun dance
place anyways.

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They asked me.
I said I'd be interested tofight as the shoot fighter if
you guys would choose me.
And they said, well, we'relooking at another guy too and I
said, well, what's his name?
They go, ken Wayne Shamrock.
He's a shoot fighter from Japan.
And I said, oh, he fights inPancrase.
That's not shoot wrestling.

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I go, that's Pancrase, it'sdifferent.
There's Shuto, which is shootwrestling, but I didn't realize
they called it all shoot Shootfighting was kind of a
generalization.
The style, you know, wassubmission wrestling, catch
wrestling, submission wrestling,fighting style.

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And so I was training at theGracie's and then I was training
with Hickson and he said well,you can look at it like this If
you want to try to fight,because I was doing acting and
modeling, so I was trying to.
Every time I get a it wasconsidered an audition.
Every time you get an auditionyou go to the audition and then
Sometimes it was for a fight,sometimes it was for a movie,

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sometimes it was for commercialsor stunts.
So one of the big reasons Ididn't fight was because Hickson
said if you compete in this youmight fight my brother, and if
you fight my brother I can'ttrain you anymore.
So they chose Kenway andShamrock.
I was at the first UFC.

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I sat in the audience, I wasthere and I just fought in Japan
before that and won.
I was the first American tofight in Shudo in 1993 and win.
I beat the strongest ground guyin Shudo at the time and then I
went to Denver in November Ithink it was October or November

(58:24):
for the fight and I was in theaudience and I remember Hoyce
coming down the hallway after hefought Gerard Gordeau and he
goes look at my ear, he bit myear, that mofo bit my ear.
Look at my ear, and he had a bigear.
He bit my ear, that mouthfulbit my ear.
Look at my ear.
He was like and he had a big,huge hole in his ear.
But, um, that's one of thereasons why I didn't do it.

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But then later on I fought anextreme fighting because there
were no gracies except forhealth.
But it wasn't a tournament,there were single fights.
So that's why I fought anextreme fighting in a tournament
.
There were single fights.
So that's why I fought inextreme fighting.
And then I fought in WorldCombat Championship, which was
bare-knuckle fighting.
It was a tournament.
It was a dumb tournament wherethere was a striker's division

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and there was a grappler'sdivision and I went in for the
commercial.
I auditioned for the commercialwith the director of John Wick
and we got the part.
So we auditioned for thecommercial with the director of
John Wick and we got the part.
So we got the part.
We were the guys doing all themartial arts demos and they go
hey, do either one of you guysfight.
And I go yeah, chad fights.
And he goes no, eric fights.
I go no, chad, chad's a fighter, he just fought in Japan.

(59:32):
He goes no, eric just fought inJapan.
And then they go would you everfight in an event like this?
I go, no way, that way.
That's crazy.
You could die.
This is bare knuckle, right.
I mean, that was literally thethought that you could die and
something like that.
So next thing, you know, I wentand they said well, would you
want to be an alternate?

(59:52):
And I said what are the odds offighting?
And they go 20%.
Next morning I get a phone call.
They go percent.
Next morning I get a phone call.
They go so-and-so, pulled out,you're in.
I go oh, I am.
And they go yeah, uh, what am I?
Am I in the grappling division,though you go no, the strikers
division.
I go that's okay, I could doboth.
So I called hickson.

(01:00:13):
I asked him if it was okay.
I said, hey, uh, sir, I justwant to ask you if it's okay.
I got asked to fight in atournament.
I'm an alternate.
I don't know if I'm going toget in.
If I do get in, I might have afight or two.
It's bare knuckle.
But if I get to the end where Ifight Henzo, he goes yeah, if
you fight Henzo, I can't trainyou anymore, I go.

(01:00:35):
So if I get in and I get to thepoint to fight Henzo, I can't
train you anymore, I go.
So if I get in and I get to thepoint to fight Henzo, I'll take
a bye so I can continue totrain with you.
Is that okay?
And he goes.
Well, that's okay.
Him and his wife said yeah, noproblem.
So I got in.
I fought my first fight againstSean McCauley, bare knuckle.
I won, took him down, got on tochoke and then second fight, I

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fought james warren and it wasabout a 20, 18 or 24 minute
fight.
I had my hair pulled onnational tv for about 18 minutes
because I had a bun.
I tried to cornrow it.
Nobody could cornrow it.
And I'm in north carolina.
I was like how is there nobodythat can cornrow my long hair in

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North Carolina?
There's got to be somebody.
I couldn't find anybody so Iput it in a bun.
The only reason I didn't cut itis because I had a movie.
I was a Viking warrior in aSinbad movie coming up.
We're shooting in Morocco thenext week with Daniel Bernhardt
as the lead actor.
Remember the movie AtomicBlonde?

(01:01:42):
He was the bad guy in AtomicBlonde.
Anyways, the blonde, he was theblonde but the bad guy.
Anyways, he's been inBloodsport 3, 4.
He's been in all those.
He does a lot of movie stuff.
He's in John Wick, anyways, themovie got pushed.
I didn't get the part.
He's in John Wick, anyways,movie got pushed, I didn't get
the part.

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Dang.
I fought in the event, I got tothe point almost to fight Henzo
and then my corner threw in thetowel because the guy was trying
to stomp my hair and he had meby my ponytail and he was
spinning me in a circle stompingthe floor and my, my, me, in a
circle stomping the floor and my, my chad, went crazy and throws
a towel in because he, Icouldn't get his.

(01:02:25):
He had casts on his hands and Icouldn't get his cast out of my
hair.
So his hands was locked in myhair in a, in a fist and, uh, he
kept telling me give up, and Igo let go of my hair.
You, he goes, give up, give up,just tap out and I go make and
I go let go of my hair, you,puss.
He goes give up.
Give up, just tap out.
I go make me tap out.
I go let go of my hair.
Fight like a man and we werekneeing each other in the balls

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and stomping each other in thefeet on the cage.
My head was back, straight back, and he was holding my hair.

"Headhunter" Higgins (01:03:01):
Have you ever tried to fight with your
head straight back in the air?
It's really hard.
I have trained and competedwith super long hair, though, as
well, and it sucks.
Not like that, not like you'redescribing.
Was that legal?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:03:12):
Yeah, I went to Australia and the guy goes I
know you are showing your fight.
You're that bloke that got hishair pulled.
Why didn't you cut your hairafter the first time?
And I was like I had a movie.
I had a movie and it fellthrough.
Damn, I ended up on Baywatch.

(01:03:32):
I was a bad.
I was a hockey player with longhair and I got to cross check.
I got to hook a guy, steal thepuck, shoot a goal and then
cross check a guy off his feet.
Nice, that ended up being sevengrand.
The Morocco thing would havebeen a lot of money.
To win the WCC, even to havewon James Waring, it would have

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been 32 grand.
To beat Henzo.
It would have been $120,000 tofight Henzo, to win, and they
paid me $1,500 for two fights.
Can you believe that?
1995.
Damn, yeah.
So after that, after that I wentback to Hickson's and all the

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guys were talking.
They're like, hey, what if youwould have fought Henzo?
And I go.
Well, after that I went back toHickson's and all the guys were
talking they're like, hey, whatif you would have fought Henzo?
And I go.
Well, I already said that if Igot to that point I'd take a bye
and I didn't fight him.
So that's called speculation.
So quit speculating and shut upyou guys.
If you want to see what it'slike, you guys step into the
cage and go bare-knuckle fightwith a Muay Thai guy and a pro

(01:04:43):
boxer.
See how you fare Bare knuckle.
Oh yeah, no grappling, by theway, guys.
So after that, I drive toHickson's, I get out of my car,
I'm walking out and he meets meon his bicycle to inform me that
I'm no longer allowed to trainwith him because of the students

(01:05:04):
talking.
They're all talking and theydon't want you to train here
anymore because you might fightone of my guys.
And I was like but I am yourguy, I am one of your guys, yes,
but you train at another placealso, the Inosano Academy.
Yeah, so what?
I send you students from thereall the time.
What's the problem with that?
Well, you're not just my guy,you fight, but why?

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Because I'm not your black belt, because I'm your blue belt.
That's why.
So it's easy for him to kick meout.
So he kicked me out.
I got kicked out of there and Ididn't even fight hentai and I
think.
I think the biggest fear was thefact that I could have.
There could have been a pointwhere I would have fought Henzo
in an event like that and therewere more events coming up, so

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they wanted to kick me out.
So I was no longer a Hicksontrained MMA fighter.
Because he said now that you'rea professional, I can't train
you and I go.
But I have been a professionalfighting in Japan.
He goes, yes, but now you'refighting in America and he goes.
Now that you're a professional,I can't train you and I go.
But I have been a professionalfighting in Japan.
He goes, yes, but now you'refighting in America and he goes.
Some of my guys, well, you meanyour family, your guys, meaning

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your family, not your students,your family, although Henzo was
a student.
So your guys are fighting inthese events and I am too.
So I guess there was a.
It was just weird.
I guarantee if that, if thathappened again today, I wouldn't
have gotten kicked out.
People wouldn't kick someoneout of their school for that
today.
But I was.

(01:06:32):
I was back, I was caught in thepolitical time warp.
Then I had to beg the Machadosto train there.
They came to my bar.
They said how's your jiu-jitsu?
I go, non-existent.
I go, I'm just training withwrestlers.
And then I have a group of guysI just get together with and
roll around with them.
I said but I need some goodguys to train with and I'd like

(01:06:53):
some more jiu-jitsu instruction.
And Higgins said well, I'lltalk to my brothers.
And Higgins said well, I'lltalk to my brothers, but if it's
okay with them, maybe you cancome and train with us.
And I said are you serious?
I said, cause I got exiled outof Hickson's.
And he goes well, let me talkto my brothers.
And so I think they just said,yeah, we'll train them.
We won't promote them, butwe'll train them.

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So at least I got to train.
I got bodies to train with andtake classes.

Erik Paulson (01:07:20):
Did Jean-Jacques.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:07:22):
It was all of them.
Nice, yeah, it was Carlos,higgin, jean-jacques, roger and
John, and then Bobby Bass andDave Myers and all the old guys
were all there.
It was really good.
And then they Bass and DaveMyers and all the old guys were
all there.
It was really good.
And then they moved theirschools and then I just stuck

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with it.
I stuck with them.
I was going to class, thoughbecause my schedule I could only
go early in the morning.
So I started going with GuruDan and started rolling with
this guy and I said I just wantto roll on the gi with good guys
.
Who can I roll with?
So hey, come to the morningclass and then there will be

(01:08:05):
guys you can roll with.
So I went there and I rolledwith the guy and I caught him a
couple times and then, all of asudden, he wanted to talk about
the UFC.
So next thing you know I'mgoing there at 8 am.
I'm like I didn't come here totalk about the UFC, I came here
to roll with guys.
Don't you guys want to roll?
And then I got frustrated.

(01:08:28):
And then I continued with Higgin, yeah, and started doing
seminars with him.
We started traveling and doingseminars together and then I
just decided you, you know, Ihave three guys give me a brown
belt.
I gave it back and I said Idon't.
Uh, I, I think I've changed mymind.
I, I was originally underhickson, but I can't train with

(01:08:52):
him anymore.
So, um, carlos moved to uh,dallas and Higgins right here,
and Higgins was one of the topcompetitors in the world at the
time.
I said I think I want to gowith Higgins.
So I remember telling Higginson the airplane I think I would
like to go under you injiu-jitsu.
It wasn't until later that heembraced me and kind of brought

(01:09:18):
me in.
I was still just rolling all thetime with as many possible guys
, and Rico Ciparelli is mywrestling coach, so that was
good because he had his own team.
I got to go with Couture andHendo and Vladimir Matashenko,
fernando Vasquez, frank Trigg Alot of those guys at the Rajah I

(01:09:40):
got to roll with regularly.
And then I had a group of myown guys at Boxing Works and at
the Inosano Academy that I justrolled with as much as I could.
Plus I was taking Shudo, whichwas catch wrestling.
All the grappling from Shudo iscatch wrestling.
And then I was doing Jiu-Jitsuand then going to Scotland and

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learning judo from the Scottishnational team with Mark Preston
and Billy Kustak and Rick Young.
So I was really good.
I was very fortunate I got totravel all over the world and
learn from.
I try to learn as much as Icould from as many people as
possible.

You really did, and you're a true pioneer
of many styles.
I wanted to ask who do youthink is the strongest guy you
ever grappled?
Who's the strongest person youever felt like clenched up with?

Oh gosh, Brock Lesnar, oh, probably Cole Conrad
.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:10:36):
Brock Lesnar.
Ken was really strong.
Ken was super strong.
Ken was super strong, I can seeit, but he wasn't big like
Brock and Cole and Josh Barnett.
Obviously you know Josh is 6'3".
And then John Marsh was tough.
Vladimir Matyshenko, randy.

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Hendo and Randy are almost thesame same strength and hendo's
smaller than him.
He's, he's got like herculeanstrength.
Do you know that?
He looks like it?

yeah, I've heard that his hand is just like like
titanium, like he's just solidand dense.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:11:15):
So strong and I held pads for him once and he he
threw a right cross and he hitme.
And I go, you have heavy hands.
And I said so, rico goes, whatdo you think?
And I go, I think if I trainedDan, I would have him stuff
everyone's shot and hit everyonewith a right cross, a right
uppercut and a left hook andhe'll knock 90% of everybody out

(01:11:37):
and a right overhand.

That's pretty much what he did, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:11:43):
But he's got to be careful of his ankles.
His ankles are susceptible togetting submitted.
And then Frank heel hooked him.
In that event, I pre-warned himbecause Rico made me roll with
him One time.
I rolled with him at theacademy and I heel hooked him.
I couldn't do anything except aheel hook.

(01:12:04):
And again, you know that's whatI say about leg locks and heel
hooks.
It's like you don't have to bea black belt to heel hook people
.

It's a good equalizer.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:12:16):
Yeah, it's a really good equalizer.
So that's I said Dan's going tobe very susceptible in the
contender series when hecompetes in that If he comes out
and doesn't wear his knee braceon his opposite leg.
And they said, well, why?
I said because Frank Shamrock,when he walks out he'll look to

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see where you have your bandages.
If you have a knee brace, thathe'll look to see where you have
your bandages.
If you have a knee brace,that's your bullseye.
If you have an elbow brace,that's a bullseye.
That's what they teach you inJapan.
You look when someone walks up.
You look at their body and seewhere they have injuries and

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that's what you're going toattack.
They also put their hand onyour shoulder and they go how's
your condition?
And they're tested to see howlong your arm is.
They put their hand on yourshoulder and pretend they pat
you and then they hit your bodyto see if you're solid Do you
got any crazy boss rootingstories.
So boss was at Omar Boetius andOmar was my friend.
Boss was at Omar Boetius andOmar was my friend and

(01:13:20):
apparently he got in a full onscuffle with the doorman and
they locked him in a room and hebeat the shit out of like five
guys.
I don't know why they would dothat.
I know that there was a lot ofgang stuff going on.
There's a lot of in Sweden.
There's, yeah, there's a lot ofgang stuff going on there.
There's a lot of.

(01:13:40):
Uh, in Sweden.
There's, yeah, there's a lot ofpeople carry a lot of guns
there and nightclubs and stuffis weird.
I was really surprised.
But uh, yeah, he got into itwith a bunch of bouncers and
just cleared the room.

He's funny Not going to take much more of
your time.
Eric and I got to go teach theclass in a little bit, but do
you got any?
Since we've gone in the crazyroute, got anything that you
want to put out there, some ofyour craziest stories that you
don't get to tell often orpeople don't want to hear about
often.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:14:12):
I know this lady went to Mexico and she lost her
dog.
She thought she lost her dogand then she found her dog.
She thought she lost her dogand then she found her dog.
Her dog was swimming and he hadbeen in the water for a while.
So she took her dog and broughther dog back home and she said
the dog was eating everythingand he looked a little different

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.
He looked scroungy, but shecould tell you know, it was the
same size as her dog, justlooked different.
Because she thought he lost alot of his hair because of the
water.
He was in the water for a longtime.
Then she found out she broughtback a huge rat and she thought
it was her chihuahua.
Oh my God.

That's gross.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:14:56):
As far as stories go, I have a bunch of
them, I just can't remember any.

How would you tie your spirituality with
your fighting?
What's the most profoundspiritual slash fighting
experience you've had then?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:15:12):
Well, it's funny because when I train, a lot of
times I would wrestle in mysleep times.
I would wrestle in my sleep and, uh, one time, uh, one time I
was sleeping next to agirlfriend a long time ago
wasn't my wife, this is beforeand uh, I was rolling so much

(01:15:34):
and all of a sudden, uh, thisguy was armbar me.
So I got out of the armbar andI went whang and I got my elbow
down and I like turned in andshe goes ah, you just elbowed me
in the lip and she woke up.
She had a fat lip.
She goes I can't go to work now.
I go.
What are you talking about?
You're a makeup artist.
Just make the other side biggerand then just make that big.

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So she went to work andeveryone thought she got her
lips done.
She's like you can elbow me anyday you want.
Now my lips look great justbecause she made lipstick like
really big up here.
And then she had a big fat lipfor my accidental elbow and then
I've actually, I think Iaccidentally uh doubled in

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hammerfish and tanya getting outof armbars in my dreams one
time, one time.
So Tanya goes, I'm gonna go tothe gym, see you later she goes
I'm gonna do cardio.
You wanna go do cardio and I go, cardi.
No, and I pulled the coversover my head and I go.
Finally I get some good sleep.

(01:16:39):
So she left and all of a suddenI'm full-on sleeping and all of
a sudden somebody's lips touchmy lips and I heard her leave
and shut the door and lock thedoor all of a sudden.
I didn't even open my eyes, Ijust kind of sat up a little bit

(01:17:01):
and I backhand chopped, I wentback and I hit her right in the
throat and she goes.
Ah, she goes.
You hit me right in the throat,she goes.
I just came and snuck back into give you a kiss, because I
forgot to give you a kiss,goodbye.
I chopped her in the throatlike like perfectly, with my
eyes closed, just an uphand chop.

(01:17:22):
It was perfectly accurate.

A ridge hand.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:17:26):
No, it was a backhand chop, it was like this,
it was like a bang.
I guess, because I've done itso many times, that that's just
natural.
It's a natural thing, but I hither right square in the
windpipe.
I think, more than anything,when you're training, learn as
much as you possibly can fromeverybody.
One thing that's nice aboutteaching is your students can

(01:17:49):
teach you too, and I alwaysencourage my students to do
research and then also get extratime in, so when I walk in,
they're not sitting around onthe mat, but they're already
rolling and playing around, andthat's where the experimental
time comes in, where they canactually start to learn and
start creating things, becausethat's what we're supposed to do
create.
God put us here to create, justlike he is.

(01:18:12):
He created, he created us, andwe are also creators.
So one of the the best giftsyou can give back is to create.
Be as super creative as you can, but is anything anything you
can think of and don't wait toact upon it.
That's why I have a taperecorder and I'm notepad next to
my bed.
I write things.
I wake up in the middle of thenight and I'll write a half of a

(01:18:33):
book and go back to sleep.
Sometimes I get all thesemessages when I sleep.
Some people dream and theydon't remember their dreams.
If you attached some sort ofchip to my head, I would have
some of the best movie, best,weirdest movies in the world.
Seriously, I have the weirdest.

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Sometimes I'm like what?
Sometimes I'm like what, wherewas I?
Who were they?
I mean, the other night I had adream I fought a house full of
gimps.
It was the weirdest thing.
This guy had a little nub foran arm and he came out and he's
swinging at me and I was evadingand then this really ugly girl

(01:19:17):
with the droopy eyes startedtrying to hug me and then I was
trying to do a wh, a hip toss onher and then I kept kicking
this one guy in the shins andthen he kept coming.
I turn around, he goes todouble leg me from behind and I
hammer fisted him in the noseand he had a hard nose.
It was like a round.
It was like a Pluto snout, butit was like hard made out of
plastic.

(01:19:37):
A Pluto snout, but it was likemade out of plastic.
I was like what the hell I go?
What did I eat or drink lastnight?

Astral bow .

"$awbuck" Mike (01:19:47):
Do you know, if you take a handful of parsley on
an empty stomach, it makes youhave the most lucid dreams ever.
Never heard of that.
Yeah, try it.
In fact, the priest asked.
He said is there any chancethat your friend had partially
before she went to bed and on anempty stomach?

(01:20:09):
And I go what does that do?
And he goes it makes youhallucinate.
And I went oh, I'm going to gotry it.
I did try it.
I did try it and I had a UFOdream I'm in.
I did try it and I had a UFOdream.

I'm in.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:20:23):
I was in a spaceship in my dream and I'm
looking around.
It had all these honeycombs allover and the thing was huge
like a warehouse and I wasmoving around in it and then all
of a sudden the thing pulls upto my I was fifth story
apartment window overlooking theocean and it pulls up next to
me and it drops me off and I seeit take off and I open my eyes

(01:20:47):
and I'm back in my room and Iwas like that was pretty real
and I was like, oh yeah, I hadparsley last night.
Parsley works really reallygood.
And the other thing HolographicHealth has these wooden eggs
and you use them to strip yourstomach If you have acid reflux.
These things work really well.

(01:21:08):
If you have anyone that hasacid reflux, you get a wooden
egg and you strip your stomachwith it and it opens up your
hiatal hernia.

Before we finish this off, I got to ask
you again what was those prayers?
The authority prayer and theJebez Power of authority.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:21:25):
Yep, the prayer of Jebez is for manifesting
abundance.
The Mark Hargrave Power ofAuthority Prayer Mark Hargrave
Prayer, power of Authority is aprayer of deliverance to cut all
cords.
And the prayer of covering isto cut all cords and remove all

(01:21:50):
attachments and hexes and pastlife issues that we may have.
As I said, the hypnotherapist,dr Modi there's been several of
them, but they found that theonly way to heal people was to
heal them of their past lifetrauma.
And they said they didn't evenbelieve in that until they

(01:22:10):
started hypnotizing people andthey started speaking about
their past.
And the same thing with EdgarCayce.
He was a devout Christian,always walked around with the
Bible, and then he found outwhile he was healing people that
he had to heal their past livesand most of their deaths, their
drownings, their fire burns,some people were buried and

(01:22:34):
that's why they feel suffocatedor claustrophobic.
A lot of our little issues andailments are caused possibly
from past life situations.
I think Also.

I'd love to see what mine would reveal.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:22:50):
Dr Modi M-O-D-I.
She's look up her books.
She has some really cool bookson Amazon, very informative, and
let's see.
St Michael Prayer forProtection Every Day is a very
powerful prayer.
Also Do the St Michael Prayer.
He's 100% absolute and comeslike a bolt of lightning.

(01:23:13):
He comes down in a V and he'spure intention, pure thought,
and he's heaven's most deadliestweapon.
He's about 15 feet tall.
He's got a maroon kilt and ablue cape and a blue flaming
sword and his face looks likethe Incredible Hulk, mixed with

(01:23:34):
Fabio hair.

Gnarly.

Where can people keep up with you and
reach you, eric?

"$awbuck" Mike (01:23:45):
I'm on Instagram .
I post a lot of stories.
I have CSW, fullerton, cswAssociation.
I'm on.
I guess I have a TikTok channeland I'm on YouTube also.
Guess I have a TikTok channeland I'm on YouTube also.
I post a lot of content just tohelp raise the awareness of

(01:24:09):
different types of training.
I think everything was kept sosecretive for so long and we
have so much information toshare, so that's why we do it.
We have camps, we have tons ofcamps and things like that.
Uh, one other thing I got myministry.
I got my.
I became a minister, uh,because I wanted to marry my

(01:24:31):
friends.
So I married some of my friendsand students.
And then also for baptism andlast rites, I had had a couple
people die and I did last riteson them.
That's a tough one, that's asad one, but it's also a good
time to rejoice.
Rejoice the life.
You know a lot of people theones that are sad are us.

(01:24:53):
They get to go off back home.
We have to sit here and feelsad about who we lost, but you
know they're lucky.
So last rights is good also.
Holy water, creating holy waterthrough the holy spirit, and
then, um, baptisms that's goodtoo.

(01:25:15):
We've done a lot with a lot ofdifferent fighters.
That's good too.
We've done a lot with a lot ofdifferent fighters to help
people figure it out.
I think if you're consideringit or you're not quite sure,
now's the time to figure it out,because the way things are
today, you never know what mayhappen for real.
And then I think I don't knowabout you, but I don't know

(01:25:38):
what's going to happen towardsthe end of the year here, but I
think things will get crazy.
So you got to keep your prayersstrong and stay safe, and
that's extremely important.
That's why martial arts isimportant.
And then also friends.
And then do you guys havesupplies?
Do you have some food and somewater?
Do you have small amounts ofmoney in your house that you can

(01:26:01):
, that you can get, in case theATMs go down like ones, fives,
tens and twenties, not hundreds?

you know, some people won't be able to
break that you have some prepperstuff, but I should be a little
more on top of it me too.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:26:16):
We'll do it now before, like before the stores
close, sometimes last second.
You know everyone goes crazyand then you run into a store to
get whatever.
Just even every week, startaccumulating canned goods, rice
beans, bullets, knives.

I feel like we're going to be upon some
crazy stuff soon.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:26:40):
Well, little bottles of vodka you can barter
with those.

Yeah, you could clean wounds too.

We are going to get into barter system.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:26:49):
That's right.
And then, what about lighters,matches?
How are you going to createfire?
How are you going to createlight?
Yeah, that's all important,just accumulation.
Every week, accumulate stuff,make a list of what you need.

Have a bug up.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:09):
Soap, yeah, also wet wipes, those things work A
chapstick.
Remember the movie Book of Eli?
Never seen it.

Oh, great movie.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:24):
Oh, you guys see that movie Denzel Never seen it
.

Oh, great movie.
Oh, you got to see that movie.
Denzel Washington yeah, oh, yougot really good, you need to
watch that tonight.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:30):
I'll have to check it out.

See you then.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:34):
Dan and Asano trained Denzel, and then all the
knife stuff, badass.
You have to watch it.
Seriously, that will probablybe one of your favorite next
movies that you'll watch.

Okay, mike , you're going to have to stay
on me to make sure I watch it.
It's good, you'll like it.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:51):
Yeah, and not only that, it's about like end
times also.

Love it.
I probably will enjoy it then.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:27:58):
Yeah, you would really, really, really like it.
Did you guys see that Obamamovie?

I I really, really , really like it.
Did you guys see that Obamamovie?
I didn't.
I've seen a lot of stuff aboutit.
Yeah, the end of the world onewith Julia Roberts.
That was crazy, right?
No, that's pre-programming 100%.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:28:13):
Yep, it's to tell us what they're going to do
, like the bridge going down andall that stuff.
If they put it in a movie andwe don't say we don't comply.
They put it in a movie and wedon't say we don't comply.
They put a movie and we say wedon't, we don't, and we don't
say we don't comply, that meansthey can get away with it, Cause
they've already told us whatthey're going to.

We gave permission.
They told us that's right.
Revelation of the method.
It's crazy.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:28:37):
Well, I'll let you guys know Ben great.

Thank you for your time, eric.
You're a legend.
We would definitely love totalk again.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:28:44):
Yeah and go Rutolos man.
They got Mikey Musumechi nextmonth, and then Ty wants Bergali
and Gordon before he turns intoMMA.
That's what he said.

Big stuff, and they got the best coach to
do that.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:29:02):
Thank you.
And they got the best team Atos.
They've got some of the bestcoach to do that.
Uh well, thank you.
But, um, you know, and they gotthe best team, autosus.
They've got some of the bestguys down there, and andre
trained so many great guys, sothey're very lucky with that.
And then, uh, he's got umclassic, um, tyler wambles.
He's a shoot box.

(01:29:22):
He was trained under RafaelCordero and he was he's got
classic fighting.
He's helping out with all theMMA stuff too, so it's good Epic
.
Pat Tenori took him under inhis wing, so that's where
they're training.
Half their training is atTenori Training Center, which
used to be Ruka.
And then Pat's son is gettingmarried.

(01:29:45):
Tomorrow I'm going to go to thewedding.
His oldest son's gettingmarried.
It's exciting.
And then Monday sorry Sunday Iget to go to Minnesota to visit
my dad.
He's 89.
I haven't seen him for a coupleof years.
Thanks, guys, enjoy that You'rean absolute legend.
Thank you good.
Thanks, guys enjoy that.

(01:30:05):
Thank you, you're an absolutelegend.

Thank you so much this was amazing.

Thank you guys.
I appreciate your time.
Paulson too.
Yeah, it was a long secondsession as well.
Yeah, it was like an hour andhe's been sending me so much
shit, dude.
He's been sending me like alltypes of videos of him grappling
and doing stuff and him like orjust like random spiritual and
prayer and like demon shit and Iwas like what, what's your
advice for?
I'm going out to England andIreland again now.
Spiritual advice is like getoutside, meditate, connect.

(01:30:29):
There's so many ley lines outthere, visit historical sites.
I'm like, dude, that's what Idid last time.
It was badass and then heunsent a message.
So he said something, but thenhe unsent it.
So I want to know what he said.
That, I want to know what hesaid.
That's weird.

I know how could you unsend a message If you do
it like right away?
Fuck dude, eric.

"$awbuck" Mike (01:30:49):
Paulson, two-part series.

What do you?
Even begin, you know.

Absolute legend.

He's got so many stories he just goes into like
fucking Jason Momoa axe-throwingstory, you know, like right
into oh, I'm doing this movieand fucking Bangladesh or
whatever the fuck.
I mean training with theGracies.

Complete boss Like he is what a martial
arts movie portrays the maincharacter to be.

No doubt it's funny looking at old pictures of
him Like watching him when hewas doing it to like watching
him now or looking at him now.
Rather Obviously, age gets youknow, time gets everybody.
But watching like his selfdefense videos still and his
training videos like he couldstill fucking, he could still

(01:31:38):
fuck people up.

No doubt I can't imagine the aches and
pains he's in.
And when I met him and trainedunder him by the way, definitely
one of the one of my favoritepeople I've ever met, no doubt
and I've kind of been a nomadand a no coach type of situation
, not because I was, you know,too arrogant, it's just I never
really fit somewhere or had likesomeone that I was like wow, I

(01:32:01):
really should learn and like bementored by this person.
but with paulson I was learningthe whole time and, yeah, dude,
fucking awesome he's probablygot a real unique way of
teaching right definitely, andlike you'd see him like trying
to stretch his back or massagehimself on like a corner or like
on a pillar, and I do the samestuff, but with the lifetime of

(01:32:23):
martial arts that he's had, yeah, I can imagine that fucking
exorcisms.

I mean there's just so much, there was so much
that he covered and it was super.
I mean we got to have him back.
Just uh, we could just.
Oh yeah, it's just fun to justhear him tell stories and just
say you can have eric on everyweek.
Oh yeah, I can't believe thatpeople.
I mean, I obviously see whypeople think he's crazy, but I
can't believe people.
Don't let him kind of talkabout this shit more.

There's a lot of NPCs in martial arts, or
at least people that just theirmind is so one track on that
that they only think aboutfighting, training, nutrition,
all that type of shit.
So like anyone who's going inon stuff that they've never had
the time to look into or thinkabout.
Really they're like what thefuck?
Yeah, this guy's nuts.

(01:33:13):
Or I've heard people be like oh, I wonder if paulson's just
like this because his braindamage getting hit in the head
and stuff.
I'm like dude, look how manyother fighters think he's or
like other fighters do you know?
Are athletes that are into thattype of stuff Not that many.

Dude.
Think of the people that he'strained with.
He's trained with, like I said,horian Hoist, brock Lesnar,
right, I mean he's trained withlike some of the best dudes in
the world.

And he's been behind some of the biggest
wins ever Frank Mir gettingsmashed by Brock like the
strategy for that second one pinin the arm and just ground and
pound in his face.
Eric's the one who definitelyshowed him that and gave him
that game plan.
Josh Barnett when he submittedDean Lister for the first time
in however many years, that wasEric in the corner.

(01:34:01):
Eric's strategy on how he couldsubmit the guy who hadn't been
tapped in 15 years Uh, he justcornered Ritolo brothers to the
million dollar tournament win.
So he's a genius mind in combat.
I know some of the audiencedoesn't always uh, appreciate
the martial arts guests ormartial arts talks but uh, you
guys might not realize how fanboy spoiled me and Mike and Ben

(01:34:25):
with some of these.
If you look into it, like theguests we just had Eric Paulson,
true, absolute, just legend.
Look into it.
I mean, hopefully you stillenjoyed the episode because it's
some crazy stuff.
Yeah, he checks both boxes forsure.

Yeah.

Yeah, but as far as actual, you know,
notoriety and credentials man,we've had quite the list on here
yeah, no doubt.

Have you ever thought when you get older, when
you get like maybe late 30s,early 40s, have you ever thought
of like transitioning into prowrestling?

for sure, but uh, I feel like the later
would be too, because it is hardon the fucking body.
If you take a more modern styleof pro wrestling.
It's real hard on the body If Igot in with Josh Josh Barnett
and was doing blood sport typeshit 100%.

Yeah, well, that's like, as you know, it's weird
to say real, but that's like asphysical, I guess Was it the
right word, right?
That's like as physical aswrestling gets now, which is
cool.
There's a lot of good peoplethat compete.
But I am a fan and I do watchwrestling still.
But all this flippy shit, dude,to me that's gymnast, that's
not fucking pro wrestling.

(01:35:35):
You had pro wrestlers back inthe day, dude, that were out of
shape in some instances, thatcouldn't even work in a ring,
but they could talk and theycould draw money.

You know, guys would have three moves,
take one bump I think I'd have afun fucking style for sure, and
if I had the right opponent,I'd have a a great, fake
wrestling match dude tom lawler.

Tom lawler is a pro wrestler and that would that
would be like a per like he.
He blends it very well, youknow, like his MMA and wrestling
he does it.

Well, I would and I'm definitely going
to be doing my wrestling moreshit in a promoter role or
whatever else too, and we'reblending those lines, gotta
build a ring.
I don't like.
I'm a competitor.
I don't like the idea of fakinga loss to someone else.
I don't, I really don't.
If I can control it, I want totry to win.
I hate losing.
Of course you're going to lose.

(01:36:26):
I've lost plenty of times in mylife but I could do it.
Obviously it's part of thething, but I'd rather compete
and win.

Oh, like subscribe , do all that good shit.

Give us some guest recommendations.

Yeah, do that too.
Or if you want to be apotential guest, you could reach
out to us at conspiracy andchill at gmailcom and all the
social medias youtube, instagram, x.
One of the craziest things I'veever heard.
It was what paulson said.
One of the weirdest sentences Iever heard say that, after

(01:36:58):
hearing that fucking episode,there's a lot of sentences that
you could pick too, but the onethat stood out to me was, uh,
when he's like, yeah, so I wasin my gym after practice at
night I was walking around withsage and blowing a ram's horn
and I'm just like what the fuck?

like what the fuck, dude?

dude.
He has like all these littlereligious trinkets that he likes
pulling out of his pocket andshit.
He's like got this organite andhe's got this little ball and
this fucking pyramid thing andthen he pulls out the fucking
emp pulse machine dude, thatfucking keeps the spirits away
at night.

I'm just like wow black belt fucking
metaphysics too.
Man, dude, no shit, yeah, likea red belt.
I've been around the worldthough, too, and and I tell you
this parts that he probably leftout a little too he's banged
all types of women, of all typesof spirituality and witchery,

(01:37:53):
and you know whatever you wantto call it spirituality, so he's
picked up on a lot of stuff.

He hinted at what the Filipino uh had 14 demons
and a witch in her yeah, fuckingwild I just love how he says
things.
So matter of fact, like it'sawesome like when you or I are
talking, we might be like hey,you know, I don't know, but it's
possible.
Like he's just like oh, youguys know, this is how it is
right.
Like there's no wiggle room.
Like this is how it is right.

(01:38:21):
Like there's no wiggle room.
Like this is how it is.
It's like I love that shit.
People are so confident.

Me too, wizard, straight, wizard.

It's so funny to me because, like I said, he
either is completely batshitcrazy or there's a lot of truth
to what he's saying, right?
And if there's a lot of truthto what he's saying, right, and
if there's a lot of truth towhat he's saying, then he's also
one of the most dangerous menin the world that has these

(01:38:51):
beliefs.
That's just so crazy to meright, I know, I know, but yeah,
this was a fun one.

I'm glad you made this one happen, dude,
and I'm glad you're going to goto England and win what I'm
considering a third worldchampionship but happen, dude
and I'm glad you're going to goto england and win it I'm what
I'm considering a third worldchampionship, but two world
championships and a uschampionship you're going to
have.
So we'll call it two wigansnake pit world championships,
because that is the, you know,holy ground of catch wrestling.

So that's why that tournament is important so
wigan is the town, yeah, andthat's where.
That's where catch wrestlingoriginated.

"Headhunter" Higgin (01:39:25):
Essentially yeah.
Huh, I didn't know that WestEngland, wales, wigan, those
counties because it was just abunch of hard-ass workers,
miners yeah, miners.
Farmers.

All right, bro.
Well, I'm sure I'll talk to youagain, but we're going to try
to do another one before youleave.
But in the event that I don'tfucking smash him, dude, you get
texting shit out there still,yeah.

Yeah, or maybe we'll yeah.
I should be good actually.
Yeah, yeah, all right?

Well, let's try to fucking hook up and do one
before you go, and, like I said,if you can't do it, I get it,
dude, but should be fine.
Stay away from pedophiles,though.
Guitar solo, thank you.

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