September 11, 2024 • 30 mins
This episode takes you on a thrilling journey from cryptic legends to the intense drama of the World Catch Wrestling Championships in England. Despite facing some of the toughest opponents in the sport and battling a serious knee injury, our double champion emerges victorious. With insights from coach Josh Barnett and a peaceful recovery on an Irish farm, we paint a vivid picture of resilience and determination.
Discover the profound link between spirituality and the warrior mindset as we delve into Alex Pereira's connection with his ancestry. Learn how embracing one's heritage can be a powerful source of strength, and hear personal stories from the wrestling mat highlighting the strategic dominance and sheer satisfaction of pinning an opponent. We recount a dramatic match underscoring the importance of grit and perseverance, offering a compelling narrative of triumph despite adversity.
As our conversation shifts to broader societal issues, we discuss the pressing topics of immigration and extreme poverty in European cities. Personal anecdotes from England, including a seminar near Wigan and the picturesque countryside, add a touch of local color. We then transition into a lively discussion of conspiracy theories, reflecting on their prevalence in sports and among athletes. Finally, we wrap up with an analysis of the upcoming UFC 306 fight and some fascinating experiences with psychedelics and spiritual ceremonies at sacred Irish sites. Join us for an episode that promises to be as enlightening as it is entertaining.
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"$awbuck" Mike (00:01):
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.
"Headhunter" Higg (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.
Your consciousness does notneed your physical body to
survive.
"$awbuck" Mike (00:11):
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.
It's the coding that projectsthis world we currently live in.
I want you to read the Bible.
"Headhunter" Higgins (00:19):
We got reptilians just outside of our
frequency zone, six dimensionalbeings, the ancient builder race
.
"$awbuck" Mike (00:26):
Ideas are the highest form of intelligence,
and that leads you to truth andclarity.
The Nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.
"Headhunter" Higgins (00:32):
Conspiracy show it's obvious the aliens
are god-fearing and insanelyhuge.
We're just one planet.
They would have needed aminimum of six feet of lead
shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of
nl and radiation belt.
This is real.
They really did fake the moon.
"$awbuck" Mike (00:47):
The world is infinitely older than that and I
mean the world with humanbeings in it, skull and bones,
is like one of the villains inthe legion of doom, they said.
"Headhunter" Higgins (00:57):
I'll let you read the bible, the biblical
flood, the tartaria mud floodconspiracy and chill.
The nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.
The bulldog ball I don't wantyou to read the bible.
There's magnets in thebasketballs.
There was a political party, athird party called the
anti-masonic party, at a pointin uh.
In the united states, theglobal pandemic treaty
(01:19):
conspiracy and chill.
"$awbuck" Mike (01:24):
All right.
So we usually don't recordepisodes the same week that
they're going to be out, andthis one is actually, as we
record, a September 10th, andthis episode will be out the
very next day, september 11th.
"Headhunter" Higgins (01:38):
A special 9-11 episode.
"$awbuck" Mike (01:40):
Right, and one of the main reasons why we're
doing so is because we talkedabout in the last couple
episodes that you were going toengland, widgeon, to compete in
your second world catchwrestling championships.
They kind of stacked the deckagainst you this year by
bringing in john hathaway, who'slike, would you say like, a
six-time world champion catchwrestler, former ufc fighter,
(02:02):
and yes, that didn't matterbecause you got the job done
again two years in a row.
So fucking tell us about that,dude double champ status.
"Headhunter" Higgins (02:12):
Yes, I am here on my farm in Ireland, kind
of repeated the process of lastyear, went to some badass sites
and got myself hyped up beforethe tournament.
I had a bunch of English dudesin my bracket and yeah, like you
said, john Hathaway definitelymy toughest catch wrestling
opponent I've ever had, and it'slike they really want to get
some English representationafter the American people came
(02:32):
and whooped ass last year.
But it was a large majorityagain, americans winning all the
brackets, wow.
And yeah, I tore my knee in thesemifinal match.
So I won the world title finalsmatch with a torn knee, I'm
suspecting an MCL, so prettyproud that I persevered through
that.
But I didn't come all this wayto lose and have the built-in.
(02:56):
I could have had the built-inexcuse Like I was facing a
fucking warrior in the finalsand I had a torn knee, like I'm
not at my best.
I could have laid an egg orpulled out or had a shit
performance and be like, oh well, I wasn't at my best.
Second place, it sucks.
But like, fuck that dude.
I had to go just pure fuckingrage mode and I had Josh Barnett
there in the corner for me, sothat was a big motivational
(03:18):
boost.
Just taped my knee up and madeit happen.
And here we are.
I'm on my farm where I'mnursing my injury and harvesting
apples, harvesting ivy to makesoap and doing some gardening.
So it's pretty awesome.
"$awbuck" Mike (03:33):
That is pretty awesome.
There's almost two differentmindsets, right.
There is like the one youdescribed where fuck man, you
know, I did my best, things justdidn't work out.
I blew my knee out.
Fucking second place is awesome.
I did my best, things justdidn't work out.
I blew my knee out.
Fucking second place is awesome.
I lost to a UFC guy.
There's that mindset right.
And then there's the othermindset where it's like,
obviously, tearing your fuckingshoulder or tearing your knee is
never good, right, but there'sa certain mentality where it's
(04:02):
like, oh okay, what else?
Because no matter what youthrow at me, I'm fucking
overcome it and that's that'swhat you did, that's what you
are, you know.
"Headhunter" Higgins (04:07):
so you said you suspect it's the media
collateral ligament, the mcl Iformed this knee like seven
years ago and, uh, never had anyknee problems since, but I was.
I was trying to spladle the guylike I hit a spladle last year
and I want to hit it again and Iwas going for it.
So my leg if my leg, if you'renot familiar with grappling, or
even if you are my leg wasgrapevine in on his and he
(04:33):
rolled in a really sudden andweird way and he took my ankle
like way outside of my knee line.
So my leg was just shredded andI felt it right then and there,
and there was only like aminute or two left in that match
which I was already dominating,so I just kept riding it out
and doing what I was doing andthen, yeah, uh, it doesn't feel
terrible right now.
I still got tape and a braceand stuff on it.
(04:54):
But, yeah, I'm, I'm messed up.
"$awbuck" Mike (04:55):
I'll be on the shelf for a little bit do you
suspect that you can rehab itwithout surgery?
"Headhunter" Higgins (05:00):
yeah, the other time I tore knee, I just
needed time in a brace.
I needed to wear a brace forlike six weeks and then rehab,
so I'll be fine, do you think?
"$awbuck" Mike (05:09):
it's yeah, it got right over my.
"Headhunter" Higgins (05:12):
I don't know.
It's hard to say I didn't go tothe doctor or anything.
People were telling me to takeadvantage of the English
healthcare while I was there orthe Irish one and whatever
travel insurance right now.
"$awbuck" Mike (05:21):
but I really want to spend a bunch of time in
a fucking hospital or emergencyroom or whatever, when you know
I'm not gonna die or anything,and especially if it's just, if
it's not a complete terror,they're not gonna be able to
really do anything for youbesides brace it and tape it,
which is kind of what you'realready planning on doing.
So you know.
"Headhunter" Higgins (05:40):
I won't be doing any collar and elbow out
here for the rest of my timesteadily.
But I am planning and in talksto meet up with two of our
former guests, maybe even in thesame day Nathan the Rambling
Kern and Indiana Stones.
"$awbuck" Mike (05:53):
So that's going to be awesome.
Yeah, that'll be.
Those are two.
Those are two cool fucking guysdude One's in Scotland, if I
remember correct, and the otheris in Ireland, right?
"Headhunter" Higgins (06:01):
Both are here.
Oh, both are here.
Oh, both are in irelandnathan's in dublin, and then
david is the little south, okay,and uh, the ku cohen stone, the
same stone that I visited lasttime, like the warrior stone,
yeah, where the mythology, themost powerful warrior, he, you
know, strapped himself to thatstone as he was dying.
(06:22):
And what was crazy about itwhen I went there this time is,
uh, in the story too, a ravenlands on it, on him and on the
stone when he finally dies, tosignify that he was dead.
And uh, I found three ravenfeathers at the kukolan stone in
the days before the tournament,when I was getting ready, so I
was getting fucking pumped aboutthat.
"$awbuck" Mike (06:43):
That was some crazy shit as far as you know,
are you the only one that theonly one competing in the catch
wrestling tournament that goesto these spiritual sites oh yeah
, for sure.
"Headhunter" Higgins (06:54):
I mean, everyone probably thinks I'm a
lunatic in a way to do all this,and I mean some of the guys
that I know.
I know we're laughing about.
I was like when they like, oh,he's a folk style wrestler, he's
a former world champ like thisand that, when they announced
you, I was like, can we put?
Visited sacred stone circles toharness power beforehand.
And I posted the other day too,and I feel like I gave it away.
(07:19):
I gave away not that it's asecret or anything, but it's
something I've utilized for awhile that I've given it away to
the competition.
I posted Alex Pereira on mystory, like dressed up and all
this thing and how he comes outto his walkout.
I was like, why do you thinkthis guy's so scary?
He's completely in touch withhis ancestry and like the
warrior spirit of his people,Like he's all in on that.
(07:39):
That gives him an aura, thatgives him a source of power.
And I'm like, if you don'tthink there's anything to that,
or you don't, you don'tsubscribe to that yourself, then
that's on you.
You're probably missing out onon something powerful for
yourself.
But hey, let them, let themkeep doubting it, Let them think
I'm weird.
But I think other people willrealize there's something to
that.
"$awbuck" Mike (07:56):
Dude Eric Paulson.
Energy is from these differentspiritual sites and he's fucking
one of the most deadliest mento ever live in, at least in the
last couple hundred years.
I mean, look at any, and lookat any like um, historical, uh,
army, or historical, justfucking warriors, bro.
They all were in tune withtheir spirituality so people
(08:19):
could think what they want tofucking think, bro.
"Headhunter" Higgins (08:20):
But results speak for themselves,
you know yeah, and I still gotsome time left here, so I'm sure
some magic is awaiting mewherever I do decide to go, or
whatever's gonna happen, somesynchronistic weird shit will
happen so how many matches didyou have?
Total three, and you tore yourknee in the second one yeah, at
the final, like two minutes orso of the second one damn wow.
"$awbuck" Mike (08:44):
and then you had to get it taped up, a little
pep talk by Barnett, and thenyou went out there and fought
your toughest opponent andfucking almost lost quick yeah.
But then you fucking battledout of it and ended up beating
him.
That's like something you'd seein a movie and you'd be like oh
no, that's kind of a stretch.
I know that's what of a stretch, I know.
"Headhunter" Higgins (09:01):
But you did it.
That's what Josh said.
He was like did you have tomake it so dramatic?
You know, you got hurt and allthis shit at the end and you
almost lose right off the bat tofinally come back and win.
I was texting my friends and myparents when I told them I was
like dude, I tore my shit and Iwas like I knew they were
watching.
I was like this could be ugly.
I'm going to fucking do what Igot to do.
(09:23):
He could be mauling me for nineminutes 30 seconds, but as long
as I got time I could pull thisout.
"$awbuck" Mike (09:28):
And you did.
That's fucking awesome dude.
So is it one pinfall?
Does that end the match?
Yeah, wow, and that's what youdid.
You pinned his ass, I did.
Is that more satisfying?
Okay?
So in your opinion, would yourather pin somebody or would you
rather submit somebody?
"Headhunter" Higgins (09:45):
yeah, I haven't submitted anyone in
catch wrestling yet, which iskind of disappointing.
I've pinned almost all myopponents in.
In catch wrestling, a pin iscool because they, no matter
what, like you know, don't go toyour back, so when you make
someone go to the one positionthey're not supposed to go to,
that is pretty dominant.
Making somebody surrender,though, is pretty cool as well
isn't it harder, though, to pinsomebody?
"$awbuck" Mike (10:06):
I would say so, because it's like I catch
somebody, yeah, that's the oneposition you want to go to is
like do not go to your back.
"Headhunter" Higgins (10:13):
Do not go to your back and they make you
go to your back and how manywrestlers wrestlers slash catch.
"$awbuck" Mike (10:18):
Wrestlers actually spend time training off
their back.
Not a lot, right?
You know?
That's like a thing in mma.
It's like you get a wrestler onhis back.
It's like they're kind of lostbecause they really don't spend
much time training there Because, like you said, that's where
you don't want to be.
So I would think that would beharder to do, because you could
catch somebody in a fuckingguillotine or a Kimura in a
(10:38):
scramble or whatever an anklelock, a knee bar but to pin
somebody, there's no like wiggleroom.
You pinned him.
Oh, you caught me.
You got lucky.
No, dude, I pinned you.
That's awesome.
"Headhunter" Higgins (10:49):
With wrestling.
I think it adds to theexcitement too, versus people
just laying there and rollingaround in guard when there's the
one, two, three count andyou've got to fight off your
back.
That adds some hype to it.
"$awbuck" Mike (11:01):
Yeah, it would be funny if there was a fucking
crooked ref in WWE and they dida fast count Like one, two,
three.
You remember those days?
"Headhunter" Higgins (11:12):
How is the immigrant situation over there?
Actually, where I'm at isnormal.
When I was in Dublin last yearit hadn't gotten too extreme yet
.
I guess Dublin is a bunch oftent cities.
I was only in Dublin for a dayso far this time when I flew to
Manchester, but I guess it'spretty bad in Dublin here.
Just normal seems fine, butDublin is crazy overpopulated
(11:37):
with a bunch of migrants andstuff.
Manchester seemed to be in thattype of overpopulation, just
overcrowded on purpose and very,uh, diverse, if you will you
know what surprised me.
"$awbuck" Mike (11:51):
I've been watching a lot of these um these
videos where people go toghettos not in the united states
, but all over the world.
And it really surprised me tosee, and it really surprised me
to see some of these ghettos,like in France, in Italy, like
Naples, dude, the whole city isa fucking shithole and they have
(12:15):
, seriously, and they haveghettos, dude, that make ours
look like five star hotels.
And I'm saying this because Ihaven't seen any specifically in
Ireland, but I've seen some inEngland, specifically Liverpool,
where, dude, it's, they'refucking it's.
I never realized, I guess, justhow there's ghettos, all I mean
(12:37):
, of course I realized there wasbad neighborhoods all over the
place, but the extreme povertythat most of the world lives in
lives in.
And I was just wondering ifthat's evident when you go to
england, I guess, because Idon't, I don't really know if
ireland I'm sure ireland andscotland and wales have their
areas, but I think englandprobably has more.
(12:57):
Have you kind of seen any ofthat?
"Headhunter" Higgins (13:00):
no, uh, my time in england Time in England
was actually pretty cool.
I got picked up by a gentleman,alan Glover.
He reached out to me onInstagram.
He's a catch wrestler and acoach and he set me up to do a
seminar at his gym the nightbefore, just outside of Wigan in
(13:22):
a place called Halifax, andhe's actually a police officer
here, like a high up, like he'sone of the few divisions of
police that have firearms hereor in England and his job is
like, if there's a foreignleader coming over, or like a
president from another countryor like some royal, that he's
like the bodyguard of the people.
So he was like I feel like I'mjust doing the same thing with
(13:43):
you while you're over here.
He, I feel like I'm just doingthe same thing with you while
you're over here.
He was like escorting me around.
I felt like a very importantperson just being escorted
around by this guy.
He was super cool.
I taught at their gym.
It was a blast and, honestly,the hillsides and the
countryside of England it iskind of the inspiration for it
Like Lord of the Rings, like theShire, just super old villages
and very hilly, awesomelandscapes.
(14:04):
It was pretty sick, is that?
Manchester or the suburbs ofyeah, outside of it.
"$awbuck" Mike (14:12):
Now, do you know how far that is from Cumbria,
the Lake District?
No, the Lake District is veryfar north.
It's almost by Scotland.
That's where my people are fromand it's supposed to be all
beautiful rolling hills, justlike you were saying.
That's what I was wondering.
"Headhunter" Higgins (14:28):
Not sure.
It was probably a good bit away.
"$awbuck" Mike (14:32):
Okay yeah, the countryside is supposed to be
just perfection.
"Headhunter" Higgins (14:35):
There was.
It was pretty cool, and therewas some giant tower that we
kept driving by, like some oldspire that some guy built just
out of like ego, however manyhundreds of years ago, and we
kept joking that it looked likesoran's eye really should have
been at the top of it, juststaring over everybody right out
here.
Dude, is older than america,like this building this pub,
this church, whatever.
Like older than america?
"$awbuck" Mike (14:56):
yeah, supposedly yeah, yeah, no, that's.
That's what's incredible, dude,like the old I'm a big fan of
like the old gothic cathedralsand the fucking like just the
way that they used to build,especially in like england and
in that whole area, all the uk,like they're just the way that
they built.
"Headhunter" Higgins (15:14):
It's so incredible, it's awe-inspiring I
saw quite a few tartaria style,like you know, half underground
like windows and doorsunderground on some like hilly
roads and stuff.
So no shortage of that.
And uh, it's funny when I wasshowing with some of the
american wrestlers and and joshafter the fact, and uh, some
(15:34):
conspiracy talks started comingup and one of the guys I guess
was a engineer and I think he'dworked for nasa and stuff and
the flat earth and the moon, thefake moon stuff started coming
up and I didn't go all in.
I'm like man, I wish I hadPaulson here, I wish I had
someone else here.
I'm completely, fucking,completely outnumbered and
outgunned.
"$awbuck" Mike (15:51):
I need some schizo.
So he was totally of the beliefthat we went to the moon the
earth is what everybody says itis and he was totally of that
ilk.
"Headhunter" Higgins (16:02):
Yeah, I feel like a lot of athletes.
Even though we've talked tosome good fighters and you know
we've gotten some good shit out,I guess a lot of athletes don't
really, you know, dive into thecrazy shit too much basketball
players do fucking kairi irvinbut if you, if you took like the
(16:22):
majority of the nba, I wouldsay most of them don't really
give a shit about stuff likethat.
"$awbuck" Mike (16:28):
The reason why I think that, out of all well,
not all, but okay the four majorsports leagues in the States
the NFL, the NBA, the NHL andMLB I think that the reason why
the NBA has the most people opento these conspiracy theories is
because something like 93% ofthe people in that league smoke
(16:49):
pot.
"Headhunter" Higgins (16:50):
Yeah, I was going to say there's a
correlation and, to be honest,nba is mostly black dudes.
A lot of black dudes are more.
Yeah, exactly, they came up witha system that didn't really
look out for them.
So they already have mistrustof authority and you know
they're fully aware that thingsdon't always shake out fairly,
(17:13):
so that leads to a, you know, aconspiratorial mind as well.
While I was over here to doingsome work, I was listening to
the Cult of Conspiracy podcastand I want to talk to those guys
again because an episode thatthey uh had recently came full
circle for me and in a coupleways and I'll elaborate on that
and knowing that how you and Imet was, uh, your old show, that
(17:36):
you were looking for someone totalk about reptilians, and
that's that was my obsession atthe time.
So I was like, okay, let's go.
They had a guy or they, theyhad a book of a guy and I hadn't
heard this in years.
Dude, this is like around thattime, long time ago, when I was
looking for reptilian shit.
This guy, named like Nicholasdare, very Drakenberg or
whatever, like the dry, the truedragon, bloodline royal of
(17:58):
Europe, spills all and like theyhad his book or something, and
how this guy believes like notall men are created equal and
like your bloodline matters andhis royal blood is the real
royal blood of Europe and he'slike a Scottish royal and they
go back to the Scythian dragonsand the Anunnaki and the Celts
and like it was overlapping ashit ton of like the Celtic and
(18:18):
like you know the differentconnections with the names and
the Gaels and the Galatians andlike that, with uh, Hanunaki's
twist and vampires andreptilians and man it was.
It was just so deep.
You'll have to listen to thatepisode if you haven't, and uh,
I definitely want to chat withthose guys again.
"$awbuck" Mike (18:36):
I definitely haven't.
I haven't really listened totoo many other conspiracy
podcasts in the last little bit,to be honest with you, but that
does sound crazy.
I don't know how to feel aboutthe reptilian ones.
I used to, like you said awhile ago, I was definitely more
into it, believed it more, butyou know well, this one wasn't
(18:57):
even per se like ashape-shifting, the blizzard
person type of deal.
"Headhunter" Higgins (19:01):
It's more of like we have the bloodline of
the dragons.
Yeah, we hit.
We are connected to theAnunnaki, like the dragon is
like the symbol to them orsomething.
"$awbuck" Mike (19:09):
You know what that reminds me of?
What's that Back when I wasdoing that same podcast, reality
Roundhouse, I had a gentlemanon from Ireland.
I'll have to see if I couldfind it somewhere like in the
old internet archives.
But he was an expert on therhesus monkey gene and I don't
know if you've ever looked intothat, but there's only a certain
(19:31):
percentage of human beings thathave this rhesus monkey gene.
It's linked to, like all theseamazing things, and that's that
was what that kind of remindedme of.
I should, wild, I should lookinto seeing if I could figure
out who that was and seeing ifwe can get him on.
"Headhunter" Higgins (19:46):
That would be a blast.
"$awbuck" Mike (19:48):
This has been like what?
Like eight or nine years ago,you know so I'm sure I could
find it somewhere.
The Internet usually holds onto everything.
"Headhunter" Higgins (19:57):
It's got something to do with Neanderthal
, I'm sure.
"$awbuck" Mike (19:59):
Yeah, dude, it was so cool and you know where I
heard it first on was theHireside Chats, because back
then there wasn't too manyconspiracy shows and that's kind
of was my farming ground forfuture guests and I obviously
couldn't go over like I couldn'tlook for like their top a-list
guests because I was a nobodyyou know, still am pretty much
but so I'd go for like their mid, their mid-tier guests that
(20:22):
really interested me.
That's how I got bob frazell.
We should probably bring himback on.
He was the first guest.
"Headhunter" Higgins (20:27):
That'd be fun.
You're a pioneer of conspiracypodcasting.
"$awbuck" Mike (20:31):
No, I wouldn't say I mean I appreciate it, but
it's definitely Greg Carlwood,the Higher Side Chats.
He's the fucking man.
We should get him.
That would be legendary becausehe literally is like the number
one dude.
I'm number one dude.
(20:55):
I'm glad we got eric on thefucking podcast, because now
every day he sends melegitimately about 40 awesome
conspiracy and schizo posts.
I'm honored.
That is pretty cool to havesomeone that you look up, to
idolize, someone, to just sendyou those things on a daily
basis.
"Headhunter" Higgins (21:01):
That's just fucking cool dude I wish, I
wish that he was fucking atthis tournament, cuz I didn't
have any backup.
"$awbuck" Mike (21:08):
Really yeah, he could have definitely been the
whole fucking reinforcement, youknow well, he's just.
"Headhunter" Higgins (21:15):
He's got the effect that he's so well
respected because of who he is.
That like, even if he says someoutlandish crazy shit that
someone completely disagreeswith, they're probably just
gonna let it go yeah, there'sgonna go huh.
"$awbuck" Mike (21:26):
So you're gonna be out there this Saturday for
UFC 306, huh.
"Headhunter" Higgins (21:32):
If I want to see that I'm going to have to
stay up mad late.
"$awbuck" Mike (21:34):
Right, right, because of the time difference.
We were talking about thatbefore we were recording.
There's what like a six-hourtime difference.
Yeah, Wow, so yeah, I mean themain card starts at 9 here, so
it would be like 5 am by you.
Fuck yeah, Probably probablyain't gonna see it.
(21:56):
That's rough, cause it's apretty good card.
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:01):
it's the one that's gonna be in the
sphere it's like the mom can weget Khabib vs Connor?
No, we have Khabib vs Connor athome and it's Murad vs Sean
O'Malley right, yep, that'spretty much.
"$awbuck" Mike (22:17):
Uh, you know, you got a fucking lethal
excellent master at range.
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:22):
Yeah, the Dabishvili versus lanky.
Uh, rangy Irish striker.
Well, irish American stri, butyeah.
"$awbuck" Mike (22:30):
So, as we record this on Tuesday the 10th,
o'malley is a minus 135 favoriteand Davisville is a plus 114.
And it's interesting to notethat about a week ago O'Malley
was the underdog.
So that's turned around.
What do you think?
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:48):
I kind of think I know where you're going
to go with this just because ofwho you are.
Yeah, you're going Davisville.
"$awbuck" Mike (22:52):
Yeah, you're going down to Philly.
Yeah, how do you think it'sgoing to play out?
Do you think he's going to beable to just take him down, hold
him there and dominate him andeventually submit him, or what
do you?
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:58):
think he might get in trouble, but he'll
probably just beat him bydecision, just via cardio and
volume.
Like he'll, I don him out toolike I'm.
I'm not 100, but I do justthink uh, usually the dominant
grappler will win.
And marab's relentless.
His cardio is too good, likesean o'malley is very good at
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what he does too.
But if you just consider thefucking lifestyle and the
upbringing and like the heart,you already know marab is
fucking better.
You know he's just a warriorfrom the mountains who's been
wrestling and doing manual laborand trains his fucking ass off.
And o'malley, as good as he is,he's a fucking goofy, fucking
pink hair stoner, californiaamerican gamer.
"$awbuck" Mike (23:41):
He's actually from montana oh really, he's
from montana.
His dad was a sheriff and thenhe moved to uh, arizona to train
with tim welch.
But I could totally see why yousay that, because he does look
like a totally californ,california surfer kind of
fucking dude that's his vibe.
That's his vibe.
So you kind of think thatDobbsville is going to have the
Bilal Mohamed game plan.
"Headhunter" Higgins (24:02):
Yeah, he's going to just be fucking
pushing him against the cage,taking him down, burying him.
"$awbuck" Mike (24:07):
I could see that playing out like that, but what
I think is going to happen is,I think that marab gets reckless
at times and every fightdefinitely walk right into a
fucking shot and get clipped.
It only takes one with that kid.
He did it to his teammate,aljermaine sterling.
I mean he, I don't know man,that kid, he's such a master at
range and he could people forgetto kick it fucking kick too, I
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mean because he's just sodynamic with his fists.
But it should be a fun fight.
I could see it going either way, honestly, but I think if, if,
if I watch the fight play out100 times, I think o'malley gets
it maybe 60 of the time.
So based on that, I think I'mI'm gonna have to lean towards
the champ we will see.
"Headhunter" Higgins (24:46):
Huh well, I'm not a betting man, and I
know you are, so yeah.
"$awbuck" Mike (24:49):
Well, that don't mean shit, especially when a
fight is that close, you know,and what's interesting is okay.
So, like I said, O'Malley's aminus 135.
Davos Valley's a plus 114.
The next fight, the co-mainevent, is Shevchenko versus
Grasso 3, and Shevchenko's aplus 114, and Grasso's a minus
135.
So odds are flipped there, butGrasso they have as the favorite
, but Grasso they have is thefavorite and Shevchenko is the
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underdog.
I like Shevchenko.
I think she won the secondfight.
I believe Grasso won the first.
So this is going to be therubber match.
I don't know man, I thinkShevchenko, if she's not.
Everybody always says AmandaNunes, but I don't think Amanda
Nunes was the greatest women'schampion or mixed martial arts I
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like.
"Headhunter" Higgins (25:33):
Valentina too Not really a women's mma fan
, to be honest, but uh, I alwaysdid like valentina.
"$awbuck" Mike (25:36):
she's brutal I mean, she goes fucking hard,
dude.
She's got the fucking guntattooed on her hip like come on
, that's fucking awesome notinto fighter girls either.
"Headhunter" Higgins (25:45):
There's a few random ones that are but as
far as like a masculine scaryjack spider girl, she's kind of
pretty yeah, you know who, I too, especially now that she
retired and got her boobs doneis.
Joanna.
Oh yeah, dude, you know who'sway better than the other Polish
fighter, Karolina KowalkiewiczKowalkiewicz.
"$awbuck" Mike (26:03):
Kowalkiewicz.
Yeah yeah, kowalkiewicz, yeahyeah, she's a little.
See, what I've noticed withPolish girls, man, is they look
good until they're about late20s and then, boy, does it
fucking take a dive Well both ofthem are probably like 40s.
"Headhunter" Higgins (26:18):
They still look good.
"$awbuck" Mike (26:19):
Well, yeah, but I wouldn't put them in like a
class of the average Polish girl, because obviously they have
amazing genetics and they have abankroll too.
"Headhunter" Higgins (26:27):
You never know when you hit the wall.
"$awbuck" Mike (26:29):
So you like Shevchenko in that one too?
I would say so.
And then the other.
The other fight that I wantedto talk about briefly was Brian
Ortega and Diego Lopes.
Ortega's a plus 145, lopes aminus 175.
I like Brian Ortega as underdog.
Here again, I don't think he'sdone.
I mean, maybe he is, I justdon't think he is.
I just worry that his chin iskind of suspect and Lopes is a
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wild striker.
"Headhunter" Higgins (26:55):
So I don't know.
Yeah, that guy's brutal.
I'll go with that guy.
He's a savage Mohawk.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:00):
Going Lopes Mexican.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:02):
Actually Mexican, yeah, versus a
Mexican-American.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:05):
See, that's surprising to me, because you
have the grappler in BrianOrtega, even though he's a
jiu-jitsu guy, not really awrestling guy.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:11):
He's a jujitsu guy, not really a
wrestling guy, he's a grapplerbut he's a jujitsu guy and
usually I would still go withthe grappler.
But I also, like I like warriorstrikers.
I'm not really a fan of liketechnical striker.
Like I obviously respect it,I'm a fucking long time MMA fan,
practitioner coach.
I can appreciate it all.
But like the technical, likeyou know, precision striker has
(27:34):
never been my favorite.
Like I loved fucking ChuckLiddell.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:37):
Chuck Liddell was one of the fucking best dude
, like Rumble, jackson, jardine,bear Page.
Oh yeah, dude, dude, I can'tbelieve you just said Keith
Jardine.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:46):
He was honestly one of my favorites.
We should get him on here.
I'd love to meet him.
That'd be a wild one, because Iloved Jardine dude.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:53):
He goes way back , dude.
I used to love the Dean Aminbro.
You know he does movies now andTV shows.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:57):
Oh yeah, I've seen him in a couple cameos
.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:59):
There was another movie or show I was
watching and I was like that'sfucking Keith Jardine.
He was like in a bar scene andhe had like a fight in a bar
scene.
"Headhunter" Higgins (28:07):
That's what he's a good hired thug.
"$awbuck" Mike (28:10):
He's got that look.
He's got like kind of like a.
He almost looks like a Russian,like a stereotypical, like
Russian big thug out assassin,you know, because he's got like
an elongated head.
That's bald with that crazygoatee.
He's got like menacing eyes,yeah.
All right, you're going to bein Ireland for yet a little
while, right?
Yeah, about two weeks still.
Wow, what else do you gotplanned?
"Headhunter" Higgins (28:32):
I'm going to hopefully go to Josh
Burnett's seminar chill with himin Ireland.
Definitely going to go see somemore holy sites, some that I
have seen, some that I haven'tseen.
I wanted to climb a mountainagain this time, but, I don't
know, with my knee.
We'll see, maybe I'll still getit out, but chilling man.
"$awbuck" Mike (28:51):
Chilling.
You should see if you couldfind some kind of uh,
psychedelics.
"Headhunter" Higgins (28:56):
Actually, it's funny that you mention that
the fuckin' family that I'mstayin' with the married couple
has multiple like shaman druidpeople that they go to.
And they go to the Hill of Taraand the one hill that I did
already visit and one of themdoes like tobacco and cocoa
cocoa caco healing ceremony,like crazy thing.
And then the other guy doesmushroom meditation rituals at
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these Irish holy sites.
That's it, yeah.
"$awbuck" Mike (29:22):
You got to do that, dude.
"Headhunter" Higgins (29:24):
No shit.
"$awbuck" Mike (29:25):
Yeah, you got to do that.
That's like aonce-in-a-lifetime kind of
fucking experience, dude.
Yeah, it's going to belegendary brutality.
Yeah, exactly, Fucking flawlessvictory dude.
Yeah, it's going to belegendary brutality.
Yeah, exactly, Fucking flawlessvictory dude.
Wah la la, la, All right.
Well, like, subscribe, share,do all that good shit If you
want to reach out to us.
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Twitter, all that good shit.
What am I missing?
"Headhunter" Higgins (29:49):
Stay away from cuntophiles.
"$awbuck" Mike (29:51):
Stay away from counter files.
"Headhunter" Higgins (29:55):
Stay away from pedophiles.
Guitar solo.
Thank you.
The Nephilim sightings are going to start
soon.
"Headhunter" Higg (00:04):
Consciousness has been enslaved.
Your consciousness does notneed your physical body to
survive.
"$awbuck" Mike (00:11):
It's the thing that's necessary.
It has to be there.
It's the coding that projectsthis world we currently live in.
I want you to read the Bible.
"Headhunter" Higgins (00:19):
We got reptilians just outside of our
frequency zone, six dimensionalbeings, the ancient builder race
.
"$awbuck" Mike (00:26):
Ideas are the highest form of intelligence,
and that leads you to truth andclarity.
The Nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.
"Headhunter" Higgins (00:32):
Conspiracy show it's obvious the aliens
are god-fearing and insanelyhuge.
We're just one planet.
They would have needed aminimum of six feet of lead
shielding in order to getthrough the 25,000 mile thick of
nl and radiation belt.
This is real.
They really did fake the moon.
"$awbuck" Mike (00:47):
The world is infinitely older than that and I
mean the world with humanbeings in it, skull and bones,
is like one of the villains inthe legion of doom, they said.
"Headhunter" Higgins (00:57):
I'll let you read the bible, the biblical
flood, the tartaria mud floodconspiracy and chill.
The nephilim sightings aregoing to stall soon.
The bulldog ball I don't wantyou to read the bible.
There's magnets in thebasketballs.
There was a political party, athird party called the
anti-masonic party, at a pointin uh.
In the united states, theglobal pandemic treaty
(01:19):
conspiracy and chill.
"$awbuck" Mike (01:24):
All right.
So we usually don't recordepisodes the same week that
they're going to be out, andthis one is actually, as we
record, a September 10th, andthis episode will be out the
very next day, september 11th.
"Headhunter" Higgins (01:38):
A special 9-11 episode.
"$awbuck" Mike (01:40):
Right, and one of the main reasons why we're
doing so is because we talkedabout in the last couple
episodes that you were going toengland, widgeon, to compete in
your second world catchwrestling championships.
They kind of stacked the deckagainst you this year by
bringing in john hathaway, who'slike, would you say like, a
six-time world champion catchwrestler, former ufc fighter,
(02:02):
and yes, that didn't matterbecause you got the job done
again two years in a row.
So fucking tell us about that,dude double champ status.
"Headhunter" Higgins (02:12):
Yes, I am here on my farm in Ireland, kind
of repeated the process of lastyear, went to some badass sites
and got myself hyped up beforethe tournament.
I had a bunch of English dudesin my bracket and yeah, like you
said, john Hathaway definitelymy toughest catch wrestling
opponent I've ever had, and it'slike they really want to get
some English representationafter the American people came
(02:32):
and whooped ass last year.
But it was a large majorityagain, americans winning all the
brackets, wow.
And yeah, I tore my knee in thesemifinal match.
So I won the world title finalsmatch with a torn knee, I'm
suspecting an MCL, so prettyproud that I persevered through
that.
But I didn't come all this wayto lose and have the built-in.
(02:56):
I could have had the built-inexcuse Like I was facing a
fucking warrior in the finalsand I had a torn knee, like I'm
not at my best.
I could have laid an egg orpulled out or had a shit
performance and be like, oh well, I wasn't at my best.
Second place, it sucks.
But like, fuck that dude.
I had to go just pure fuckingrage mode and I had Josh Barnett
there in the corner for me, sothat was a big motivational
(03:18):
boost.
Just taped my knee up and madeit happen.
And here we are.
I'm on my farm where I'mnursing my injury and harvesting
apples, harvesting ivy to makesoap and doing some gardening.
So it's pretty awesome.
"$awbuck" Mike (03:33):
That is pretty awesome.
There's almost two differentmindsets, right.
There is like the one youdescribed where fuck man, you
know, I did my best, things justdidn't work out.
I blew my knee out.
Fucking second place is awesome.
I did my best, things justdidn't work out.
I blew my knee out.
Fucking second place is awesome.
I lost to a UFC guy.
There's that mindset right.
And then there's the othermindset where it's like,
obviously, tearing your fuckingshoulder or tearing your knee is
never good, right, but there'sa certain mentality where it's
(04:02):
like, oh okay, what else?
Because no matter what youthrow at me, I'm fucking
overcome it and that's that'swhat you did, that's what you
are, you know.
"Headhunter" Higgins (04:07):
so you said you suspect it's the media
collateral ligament, the mcl Iformed this knee like seven
years ago and, uh, never had anyknee problems since, but I was.
I was trying to spladle the guylike I hit a spladle last year
and I want to hit it again and Iwas going for it.
So my leg if my leg, if you'renot familiar with grappling, or
even if you are my leg wasgrapevine in on his and he
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rolled in a really sudden andweird way and he took my ankle
like way outside of my knee line.
So my leg was just shredded andI felt it right then and there,
and there was only like aminute or two left in that match
which I was already dominating,so I just kept riding it out
and doing what I was doing andthen, yeah, uh, it doesn't feel
terrible right now.
I still got tape and a braceand stuff on it.
(04:54):
But, yeah, I'm, I'm messed up.
"$awbuck" Mike (04:55):
I'll be on the shelf for a little bit do you
suspect that you can rehab itwithout surgery?
"Headhunter" Higgins (05:00):
yeah, the other time I tore knee, I just
needed time in a brace.
I needed to wear a brace forlike six weeks and then rehab,
so I'll be fine, do you think?
"$awbuck" Mike (05:09):
it's yeah, it got right over my.
"Headhunter" Higgins (05:12):
I don't know.
It's hard to say I didn't go tothe doctor or anything.
People were telling me to takeadvantage of the English
healthcare while I was there orthe Irish one and whatever
travel insurance right now.
"$awbuck" Mike (05:21):
but I really want to spend a bunch of time in
a fucking hospital or emergencyroom or whatever, when you know
I'm not gonna die or anything,and especially if it's just, if
it's not a complete terror,they're not gonna be able to
really do anything for youbesides brace it and tape it,
which is kind of what you'realready planning on doing.
So you know.
"Headhunter" Higgins (05:40):
I won't be doing any collar and elbow out
here for the rest of my timesteadily.
But I am planning and in talksto meet up with two of our
former guests, maybe even in thesame day Nathan the Rambling
Kern and Indiana Stones.
"$awbuck" Mike (05:53):
So that's going to be awesome.
Yeah, that'll be.
Those are two.
Those are two cool fucking guysdude One's in Scotland, if I
remember correct, and the otheris in Ireland, right?
"Headhunter" Higgins (06:01):
Both are here.
Oh, both are here.
Oh, both are in irelandnathan's in dublin, and then
david is the little south, okay,and uh, the ku cohen stone, the
same stone that I visited lasttime, like the warrior stone,
yeah, where the mythology, themost powerful warrior, he, you
know, strapped himself to thatstone as he was dying.
(06:22):
And what was crazy about itwhen I went there this time is,
uh, in the story too, a ravenlands on it, on him and on the
stone when he finally dies, tosignify that he was dead.
And uh, I found three ravenfeathers at the kukolan stone in
the days before the tournament,when I was getting ready, so I
was getting fucking pumped aboutthat.
"$awbuck" Mike (06:43):
That was some crazy shit as far as you know,
are you the only one that theonly one competing in the catch
wrestling tournament that goesto these spiritual sites oh yeah
, for sure.
"Headhunter" Higgins (06:54):
I mean, everyone probably thinks I'm a
lunatic in a way to do all this,and I mean some of the guys
that I know.
I know we're laughing about.
I was like when they like, oh,he's a folk style wrestler, he's
a former world champ like thisand that, when they announced
you, I was like, can we put?
Visited sacred stone circles toharness power beforehand.
And I posted the other day too,and I feel like I gave it away.
(07:19):
I gave away not that it's asecret or anything, but it's
something I've utilized for awhile that I've given it away to
the competition.
I posted Alex Pereira on mystory, like dressed up and all
this thing and how he comes outto his walkout.
I was like, why do you thinkthis guy's so scary?
He's completely in touch withhis ancestry and like the
warrior spirit of his people,Like he's all in on that.
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That gives him an aura, thatgives him a source of power.
And I'm like, if you don'tthink there's anything to that,
or you don't, you don'tsubscribe to that yourself, then
that's on you.
You're probably missing out onon something powerful for
yourself.
But hey, let them, let themkeep doubting it, Let them think
I'm weird.
But I think other people willrealize there's something to
that.
"$awbuck" Mike (07:56):
Dude Eric Paulson.
Energy is from these differentspiritual sites and he's fucking
one of the most deadliest mento ever live in, at least in the
last couple hundred years.
I mean, look at any, and lookat any like um, historical, uh,
army, or historical, justfucking warriors, bro.
They all were in tune withtheir spirituality so people
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could think what they want tofucking think, bro.
"Headhunter" Higgins (08:20):
But results speak for themselves,
you know yeah, and I still gotsome time left here, so I'm sure
some magic is awaiting mewherever I do decide to go, or
whatever's gonna happen, somesynchronistic weird shit will
happen so how many matches didyou have?
Total three, and you tore yourknee in the second one yeah, at
the final, like two minutes orso of the second one damn wow.
"$awbuck" Mike (08:44):
and then you had to get it taped up, a little
pep talk by Barnett, and thenyou went out there and fought
your toughest opponent andfucking almost lost quick yeah.
But then you fucking battledout of it and ended up beating
him.
That's like something you'd seein a movie and you'd be like oh
no, that's kind of a stretch.
I know that's what of a stretch, I know.
"Headhunter" Higgins (09:01):
But you did it.
That's what Josh said.
He was like did you have tomake it so dramatic?
You know, you got hurt and allthis shit at the end and you
almost lose right off the bat tofinally come back and win.
I was texting my friends and myparents when I told them I was
like dude, I tore my shit and Iwas like I knew they were
watching.
I was like this could be ugly.
I'm going to fucking do what Igot to do.
(09:23):
He could be mauling me for nineminutes 30 seconds, but as long
as I got time I could pull thisout.
"$awbuck" Mike (09:28):
And you did.
That's fucking awesome dude.
So is it one pinfall?
Does that end the match?
Yeah, wow, and that's what youdid.
You pinned his ass, I did.
Is that more satisfying?
Okay?
So in your opinion, would yourather pin somebody or would you
rather submit somebody?
"Headhunter" Higgins (09:45):
yeah, I haven't submitted anyone in
catch wrestling yet, which iskind of disappointing.
I've pinned almost all myopponents in.
In catch wrestling, a pin iscool because they, no matter
what, like you know, don't go toyour back, so when you make
someone go to the one positionthey're not supposed to go to,
that is pretty dominant.
Making somebody surrender,though, is pretty cool as well
isn't it harder, though, to pinsomebody?
"$awbuck" Mike (10:06):
I would say so, because it's like I catch
somebody, yeah, that's the oneposition you want to go to is
like do not go to your back.
"Headhunter" Higgins (10:13):
Do not go to your back and they make you
go to your back and how manywrestlers wrestlers slash catch.
"$awbuck" Mike (10:18):
Wrestlers actually spend time training off
their back.
Not a lot, right?
You know?
That's like a thing in mma.
It's like you get a wrestler onhis back.
It's like they're kind of lostbecause they really don't spend
much time training there Because, like you said, that's where
you don't want to be.
So I would think that would beharder to do, because you could
catch somebody in a fuckingguillotine or a Kimura in a
(10:38):
scramble or whatever an anklelock, a knee bar but to pin
somebody, there's no like wiggleroom.
You pinned him.
Oh, you caught me.
You got lucky.
No, dude, I pinned you.
That's awesome.
"Headhunter" Higgins (10:49):
With wrestling.
I think it adds to theexcitement too, versus people
just laying there and rollingaround in guard when there's the
one, two, three count andyou've got to fight off your
back.
That adds some hype to it.
"$awbuck" Mike (11:01):
Yeah, it would be funny if there was a fucking
crooked ref in WWE and they dida fast count Like one, two,
three.
You remember those days?
"Headhunter" Higgins (11:12):
How is the immigrant situation over there?
Actually, where I'm at isnormal.
When I was in Dublin last yearit hadn't gotten too extreme yet
.
I guess Dublin is a bunch oftent cities.
I was only in Dublin for a dayso far this time when I flew to
Manchester, but I guess it'spretty bad in Dublin here.
Just normal seems fine, butDublin is crazy overpopulated
(11:37):
with a bunch of migrants andstuff.
Manchester seemed to be in thattype of overpopulation, just
overcrowded on purpose and very,uh, diverse, if you will you
know what surprised me.
"$awbuck" Mike (11:51):
I've been watching a lot of these um these
videos where people go toghettos not in the united states
, but all over the world.
And it really surprised me tosee, and it really surprised me
to see some of these ghettos,like in France, in Italy, like
Naples, dude, the whole city isa fucking shithole and they have
(12:15):
, seriously, and they haveghettos, dude, that make ours
look like five star hotels.
And I'm saying this because Ihaven't seen any specifically in
Ireland, but I've seen some inEngland, specifically Liverpool,
where, dude, it's, they'refucking it's.
I never realized, I guess, justhow there's ghettos, all I mean
(12:37):
, of course I realized there wasbad neighborhoods all over the
place, but the extreme povertythat most of the world lives in
lives in.
And I was just wondering ifthat's evident when you go to
england, I guess, because Idon't, I don't really know if
ireland I'm sure ireland andscotland and wales have their
areas, but I think englandprobably has more.
(12:57):
Have you kind of seen any ofthat?
"Headhunter" Higgins (13:00):
no, uh, my time in england Time in England
was actually pretty cool.
I got picked up by a gentleman,alan Glover.
He reached out to me onInstagram.
He's a catch wrestler and acoach and he set me up to do a
seminar at his gym the nightbefore, just outside of Wigan in
(13:22):
a place called Halifax, andhe's actually a police officer
here, like a high up, like he'sone of the few divisions of
police that have firearms hereor in England and his job is
like, if there's a foreignleader coming over, or like a
president from another countryor like some royal, that he's
like the bodyguard of the people.
So he was like I feel like I'mjust doing the same thing with
(13:43):
you while you're over here.
He, I feel like I'm just doingthe same thing with you while
you're over here.
He was like escorting me around.
I felt like a very importantperson just being escorted
around by this guy.
He was super cool.
I taught at their gym.
It was a blast and, honestly,the hillsides and the
countryside of England it iskind of the inspiration for it
Like Lord of the Rings, like theShire, just super old villages
and very hilly, awesomelandscapes.
(14:04):
It was pretty sick, is that?
Manchester or the suburbs ofyeah, outside of it.
"$awbuck" Mike (14:12):
Now, do you know how far that is from Cumbria,
the Lake District?
No, the Lake District is veryfar north.
It's almost by Scotland.
That's where my people are fromand it's supposed to be all
beautiful rolling hills, justlike you were saying.
That's what I was wondering.
"Headhunter" Higgins (14:28):
Not sure.
It was probably a good bit away.
"$awbuck" Mike (14:32):
Okay yeah, the countryside is supposed to be
just perfection.
"Headhunter" Higgins (14:35):
There was.
It was pretty cool, and therewas some giant tower that we
kept driving by, like some oldspire that some guy built just
out of like ego, however manyhundreds of years ago, and we
kept joking that it looked likesoran's eye really should have
been at the top of it, juststaring over everybody right out
here.
Dude, is older than america,like this building this pub,
this church, whatever.
Like older than america?
"$awbuck" Mike (14:56):
yeah, supposedly yeah, yeah, no, that's.
That's what's incredible, dude,like the old I'm a big fan of
like the old gothic cathedralsand the fucking like just the
way that they used to build,especially in like england and
in that whole area, all the uk,like they're just the way that
they built.
"Headhunter" Higgins (15:14):
It's so incredible, it's awe-inspiring I
saw quite a few tartaria style,like you know, half underground
like windows and doorsunderground on some like hilly
roads and stuff.
So no shortage of that.
And uh, it's funny when I wasshowing with some of the
american wrestlers and and joshafter the fact, and uh, some
(15:34):
conspiracy talks started comingup and one of the guys I guess
was a engineer and I think he'dworked for nasa and stuff and
the flat earth and the moon, thefake moon stuff started coming
up and I didn't go all in.
I'm like man, I wish I hadPaulson here, I wish I had
someone else here.
I'm completely, fucking,completely outnumbered and
outgunned.
"$awbuck" Mike (15:51):
I need some schizo.
So he was totally of the beliefthat we went to the moon the
earth is what everybody says itis and he was totally of that
ilk.
"Headhunter" Higgins (16:02):
Yeah, I feel like a lot of athletes.
Even though we've talked tosome good fighters and you know
we've gotten some good shit out,I guess a lot of athletes don't
really, you know, dive into thecrazy shit too much basketball
players do fucking kairi irvinbut if you, if you took like the
(16:22):
majority of the nba, I wouldsay most of them don't really
give a shit about stuff likethat.
"$awbuck" Mike (16:28):
The reason why I think that, out of all well,
not all, but okay the four majorsports leagues in the States
the NFL, the NBA, the NHL andMLB I think that the reason why
the NBA has the most people opento these conspiracy theories is
because something like 93% ofthe people in that league smoke
(16:49):
pot.
"Headhunter" Higgins (16:50):
Yeah, I was going to say there's a
correlation and, to be honest,nba is mostly black dudes.
A lot of black dudes are more.
Yeah, exactly, they came up witha system that didn't really
look out for them.
So they already have mistrustof authority and you know
they're fully aware that thingsdon't always shake out fairly,
(17:13):
so that leads to a, you know, aconspiratorial mind as well.
While I was over here to doingsome work, I was listening to
the Cult of Conspiracy podcastand I want to talk to those guys
again because an episode thatthey uh had recently came full
circle for me and in a coupleways and I'll elaborate on that
and knowing that how you and Imet was, uh, your old show, that
(17:36):
you were looking for someone totalk about reptilians, and
that's that was my obsession atthe time.
So I was like, okay, let's go.
They had a guy or they, theyhad a book of a guy and I hadn't
heard this in years.
Dude, this is like around thattime, long time ago, when I was
looking for reptilian shit.
This guy, named like Nicholasdare, very Drakenberg or
whatever, like the dry, the truedragon, bloodline royal of
(17:58):
Europe, spills all and like theyhad his book or something, and
how this guy believes like notall men are created equal and
like your bloodline matters andhis royal blood is the real
royal blood of Europe and he'slike a Scottish royal and they
go back to the Scythian dragonsand the Anunnaki and the Celts
and like it was overlapping ashit ton of like the Celtic and
(18:18):
like you know the differentconnections with the names and
the Gaels and the Galatians andlike that, with uh, Hanunaki's
twist and vampires andreptilians and man it was.
It was just so deep.
You'll have to listen to thatepisode if you haven't, and uh,
I definitely want to chat withthose guys again.
"$awbuck" Mike (18:36):
I definitely haven't.
I haven't really listened totoo many other conspiracy
podcasts in the last little bit,to be honest with you, but that
does sound crazy.
I don't know how to feel aboutthe reptilian ones.
I used to, like you said awhile ago, I was definitely more
into it, believed it more, butyou know well, this one wasn't
(18:57):
even per se like ashape-shifting, the blizzard
person type of deal.
"Headhunter" Higgins (19:01):
It's more of like we have the bloodline of
the dragons.
Yeah, we hit.
We are connected to theAnunnaki, like the dragon is
like the symbol to them orsomething.
"$awbuck" Mike (19:09):
You know what that reminds me of?
What's that Back when I wasdoing that same podcast, reality
Roundhouse, I had a gentlemanon from Ireland.
I'll have to see if I couldfind it somewhere like in the
old internet archives.
But he was an expert on therhesus monkey gene and I don't
know if you've ever looked intothat, but there's only a certain
(19:31):
percentage of human beings thathave this rhesus monkey gene.
It's linked to, like all theseamazing things, and that's that
was what that kind of remindedme of.
I should, wild, I should lookinto seeing if I could figure
out who that was and seeing ifwe can get him on.
"Headhunter" Higgins (19:46):
That would be a blast.
"$awbuck" Mike (19:48):
This has been like what?
Like eight or nine years ago,you know so I'm sure I could
find it somewhere.
The Internet usually holds onto everything.
"Headhunter" Higgins (19:57):
It's got something to do with Neanderthal
, I'm sure.
"$awbuck" Mike (19:59):
Yeah, dude, it was so cool and you know where I
heard it first on was theHireside Chats, because back
then there wasn't too manyconspiracy shows and that's kind
of was my farming ground forfuture guests and I obviously
couldn't go over like I couldn'tlook for like their top a-list
guests because I was a nobodyyou know, still am pretty much
but so I'd go for like their mid, their mid-tier guests that
(20:22):
really interested me.
That's how I got bob frazell.
We should probably bring himback on.
He was the first guest.
"Headhunter" Higgins (20:27):
That'd be fun.
You're a pioneer of conspiracypodcasting.
"$awbuck" Mike (20:31):
No, I wouldn't say I mean I appreciate it, but
it's definitely Greg Carlwood,the Higher Side Chats.
He's the fucking man.
We should get him.
That would be legendary becausehe literally is like the number
one dude.
I'm number one dude.
(20:55):
I'm glad we got eric on thefucking podcast, because now
every day he sends melegitimately about 40 awesome
conspiracy and schizo posts.
I'm honored.
That is pretty cool to havesomeone that you look up, to
idolize, someone, to just sendyou those things on a daily
basis.
"Headhunter" Higgins (21:01):
That's just fucking cool dude I wish, I
wish that he was fucking atthis tournament, cuz I didn't
have any backup.
"$awbuck" Mike (21:08):
Really yeah, he could have definitely been the
whole fucking reinforcement, youknow well, he's just.
"Headhunter" Higgins (21:15):
He's got the effect that he's so well
respected because of who he is.
That like, even if he says someoutlandish crazy shit that
someone completely disagreeswith, they're probably just
gonna let it go yeah, there'sgonna go huh.
"$awbuck" Mike (21:26):
So you're gonna be out there this Saturday for
UFC 306, huh.
"Headhunter" Higgins (21:32):
If I want to see that I'm going to have to
stay up mad late.
"$awbuck" Mike (21:34):
Right, right, because of the time difference.
We were talking about thatbefore we were recording.
There's what like a six-hourtime difference.
Yeah, Wow, so yeah, I mean themain card starts at 9 here, so
it would be like 5 am by you.
Fuck yeah, Probably probablyain't gonna see it.
(21:56):
That's rough, cause it's apretty good card.
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:01):
it's the one that's gonna be in the
sphere it's like the mom can weget Khabib vs Connor?
No, we have Khabib vs Connor athome and it's Murad vs Sean
O'Malley right, yep, that'spretty much.
"$awbuck" Mike (22:17):
Uh, you know, you got a fucking lethal
excellent master at range.
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:22):
Yeah, the Dabishvili versus lanky.
Uh, rangy Irish striker.
Well, irish American stri, butyeah.
"$awbuck" Mike (22:30):
So, as we record this on Tuesday the 10th,
o'malley is a minus 135 favoriteand Davisville is a plus 114.
And it's interesting to notethat about a week ago O'Malley
was the underdog.
So that's turned around.
What do you think?
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:48):
I kind of think I know where you're going
to go with this just because ofwho you are.
Yeah, you're going Davisville.
"$awbuck" Mike (22:52):
Yeah, you're going down to Philly.
Yeah, how do you think it'sgoing to play out?
Do you think he's going to beable to just take him down, hold
him there and dominate him andeventually submit him, or what
do you?
"Headhunter" Higgins (22:58):
think he might get in trouble, but he'll
probably just beat him bydecision, just via cardio and
volume.
Like he'll, I don him out toolike I'm.
I'm not 100, but I do justthink uh, usually the dominant
grappler will win.
And marab's relentless.
His cardio is too good, likesean o'malley is very good at
(23:19):
what he does too.
But if you just consider thefucking lifestyle and the
upbringing and like the heart,you already know marab is
fucking better.
You know he's just a warriorfrom the mountains who's been
wrestling and doing manual laborand trains his fucking ass off.
And o'malley, as good as he is,he's a fucking goofy, fucking
pink hair stoner, californiaamerican gamer.
"$awbuck" Mike (23:41):
He's actually from montana oh really, he's
from montana.
His dad was a sheriff and thenhe moved to uh, arizona to train
with tim welch.
But I could totally see why yousay that, because he does look
like a totally californ,california surfer kind of
fucking dude that's his vibe.
That's his vibe.
So you kind of think thatDobbsville is going to have the
Bilal Mohamed game plan.
"Headhunter" Higgins (24:02):
Yeah, he's going to just be fucking
pushing him against the cage,taking him down, burying him.
"$awbuck" Mike (24:07):
I could see that playing out like that, but what
I think is going to happen is,I think that marab gets reckless
at times and every fightdefinitely walk right into a
fucking shot and get clipped.
It only takes one with that kid.
He did it to his teammate,aljermaine sterling.
I mean he, I don't know man,that kid, he's such a master at
range and he could people forgetto kick it fucking kick too, I
(24:29):
mean because he's just sodynamic with his fists.
But it should be a fun fight.
I could see it going either way, honestly, but I think if, if,
if I watch the fight play out100 times, I think o'malley gets
it maybe 60 of the time.
So based on that, I think I'mI'm gonna have to lean towards
the champ we will see.
"Headhunter" Higgins (24:46):
Huh well, I'm not a betting man, and I
know you are, so yeah.
"$awbuck" Mike (24:49):
Well, that don't mean shit, especially when a
fight is that close, you know,and what's interesting is okay.
So, like I said, O'Malley's aminus 135.
Davos Valley's a plus 114.
The next fight, the co-mainevent, is Shevchenko versus
Grasso 3, and Shevchenko's aplus 114, and Grasso's a minus
135.
So odds are flipped there, butGrasso they have as the favorite
, but Grasso they have is thefavorite and Shevchenko is the
(25:12):
underdog.
I like Shevchenko.
I think she won the secondfight.
I believe Grasso won the first.
So this is going to be therubber match.
I don't know man, I thinkShevchenko, if she's not.
Everybody always says AmandaNunes, but I don't think Amanda
Nunes was the greatest women'schampion or mixed martial arts I
(25:33):
like.
"Headhunter" Higgins (25:33):
Valentina too Not really a women's mma fan
, to be honest, but uh, I alwaysdid like valentina.
"$awbuck" Mike (25:36):
she's brutal I mean, she goes fucking hard,
dude.
She's got the fucking guntattooed on her hip like come on
, that's fucking awesome notinto fighter girls either.
"Headhunter" Higgins (25:45):
There's a few random ones that are but as
far as like a masculine scaryjack spider girl, she's kind of
pretty yeah, you know who, I too, especially now that she
retired and got her boobs doneis.
Joanna.
Oh yeah, dude, you know who'sway better than the other Polish
fighter, Karolina KowalkiewiczKowalkiewicz.
"$awbuck" Mike (26:03):
Kowalkiewicz.
Yeah yeah, kowalkiewicz, yeahyeah, she's a little.
See, what I've noticed withPolish girls, man, is they look
good until they're about late20s and then, boy, does it
fucking take a dive Well both ofthem are probably like 40s.
"Headhunter" Higgins (26:18):
They still look good.
"$awbuck" Mike (26:19):
Well, yeah, but I wouldn't put them in like a
class of the average Polish girl, because obviously they have
amazing genetics and they have abankroll too.
"Headhunter" Higgins (26:27):
You never know when you hit the wall.
"$awbuck" Mike (26:29):
So you like Shevchenko in that one too?
I would say so.
And then the other.
The other fight that I wantedto talk about briefly was Brian
Ortega and Diego Lopes.
Ortega's a plus 145, lopes aminus 175.
I like Brian Ortega as underdog.
Here again, I don't think he'sdone.
I mean, maybe he is, I justdon't think he is.
I just worry that his chin iskind of suspect and Lopes is a
(26:54):
wild striker.
"Headhunter" Higgins (26:55):
So I don't know.
Yeah, that guy's brutal.
I'll go with that guy.
He's a savage Mohawk.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:00):
Going Lopes Mexican.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:02):
Actually Mexican, yeah, versus a
Mexican-American.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:05):
See, that's surprising to me, because you
have the grappler in BrianOrtega, even though he's a
jiu-jitsu guy, not really awrestling guy.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:11):
He's a jujitsu guy, not really a
wrestling guy, he's a grapplerbut he's a jujitsu guy and
usually I would still go withthe grappler.
But I also, like I like warriorstrikers.
I'm not really a fan of liketechnical striker.
Like I obviously respect it,I'm a fucking long time MMA fan,
practitioner coach.
I can appreciate it all.
But like the technical, likeyou know, precision striker has
(27:34):
never been my favorite.
Like I loved fucking ChuckLiddell.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:37):
Chuck Liddell was one of the fucking best dude
, like Rumble, jackson, jardine,bear Page.
Oh yeah, dude, dude, I can'tbelieve you just said Keith
Jardine.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:46):
He was honestly one of my favorites.
We should get him on here.
I'd love to meet him.
That'd be a wild one, because Iloved Jardine dude.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:53):
He goes way back , dude.
I used to love the Dean Aminbro.
You know he does movies now andTV shows.
"Headhunter" Higgins (27:57):
Oh yeah, I've seen him in a couple cameos
.
"$awbuck" Mike (27:59):
There was another movie or show I was
watching and I was like that'sfucking Keith Jardine.
He was like in a bar scene andhe had like a fight in a bar
scene.
"Headhunter" Higgins (28:07):
That's what he's a good hired thug.
"$awbuck" Mike (28:10):
He's got that look.
He's got like kind of like a.
He almost looks like a Russian,like a stereotypical, like
Russian big thug out assassin,you know, because he's got like
an elongated head.
That's bald with that crazygoatee.
He's got like menacing eyes,yeah.
All right, you're going to bein Ireland for yet a little
while, right?
Yeah, about two weeks still.
Wow, what else do you gotplanned?
"Headhunter" Higgins (28:32):
I'm going to hopefully go to Josh
Burnett's seminar chill with himin Ireland.
Definitely going to go see somemore holy sites, some that I
have seen, some that I haven'tseen.
I wanted to climb a mountainagain this time, but, I don't
know, with my knee.
We'll see, maybe I'll still getit out, but chilling man.
"$awbuck" Mike (28:51):
Chilling.
You should see if you couldfind some kind of uh,
psychedelics.
"Headhunter" Higgins (28:56):
Actually, it's funny that you mention that
the fuckin' family that I'mstayin' with the married couple
has multiple like shaman druidpeople that they go to.
And they go to the Hill of Taraand the one hill that I did
already visit and one of themdoes like tobacco and cocoa
cocoa caco healing ceremony,like crazy thing.
And then the other guy doesmushroom meditation rituals at
(29:18):
these Irish holy sites.
That's it, yeah.
"$awbuck" Mike (29:22):
You got to do that, dude.
"Headhunter" Higgins (29:24):
No shit.
"$awbuck" Mike (29:25):
Yeah, you got to do that.
That's like aonce-in-a-lifetime kind of
fucking experience, dude.
Yeah, it's going to belegendary brutality.
Yeah, exactly, Fucking flawlessvictory dude.
Yeah, it's going to belegendary brutality.
Yeah, exactly, Fucking flawlessvictory dude.
Wah la la, la, All right.
Well, like, subscribe, share,do all that good shit If you
want to reach out to us.
Conspiracyandchillyobcom,Patreon, YouTube, Instagram,
(29:46):
Twitter, all that good shit.
What am I missing?
"Headhunter" Higgins (29:49):
Stay away from cuntophiles.
"$awbuck" Mike (29:51):
Stay away from counter files.
"Headhunter" Higgins (29:55):
Stay away from pedophiles.
Guitar solo.
Thank you.
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