Writing History with Dan Heiser

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Victoria B. Glass (00:00):
Welcome to the Contagious Victory's
podcast. Each week, we talkinspiration, explore
possibilities, and shareinsights from creative
perspectives. I'm Tori Blackmon,and I'm here to remind you that
your purpose in life is tocelebrate the victories because
victories are contagious. Theysay history repeats itself, but

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Dan Heiser is making sure weremember it in a whole new way.
You know, it's tragic how easilymost of us forget important past
events and world changingfigures who have shaped our
lives.
But for historian and publishedauthor Dan Heiser, the past is
anything but forgotten. That'sbecause through his immersive 19

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forties historical fiction,Heiser is bringing the stories
of the past to life, remindingus of the struggles, triumphs,
and lessons of those who camebefore us. But his work doesn't
stop there. He's also beenjuggling life as an academic
advisor and a full time student.That's right.

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He's currently pursuing his PhDin history. He's expected to
wrap that up and be completelyfinished in May of next year.
Dan is a believer and truly goeswith God's plan no matter what
door the Lord opens for hislife. So remember him when you
say your prayers tonight becausebeing a full time PhD student

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and an academic advisor and apublished author, who is
currently writing another book,Dan needs some prayer.
In this episode of theContagious Victories podcast,
Dan and I talk about his passionfor writing and how he finds
inspiration with other readersand writers, both online and in
real life. Are you ready to diveinto the mind of Dan Heiser?

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about writing and publishing abook, plus the importance of
remembering and learning fromour past. Before we jump into
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your life right now. So withoutfurther ado, let's step back in
time and learn how Dan Heisercreatively brings fiction to
life. Welcome back to anotherepisode of Contagious Victories.

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I have a very special guest heretoday in person in the flesh.
Today, we're talking with DanHeiser, who is a historian and
author and a whole lot of otherthings. A very interesting
creative.

Dan Heiser (03:34):
Too many things.

Too many things, which is what I love
about you, Dan. And we arefriends in real life. Like, we
knew each other

Dan Heiser (03:40):
A while.

Yes. For a couple years now.

Dan Heiser (03:44):
5 years? no. Yeah. 5 years now! wow!!

Victoria B. Glass: yeah 2019? And so, we've been (03:46):
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through a lot together, and I'mexcited to have you on the
show. Welcome!

Dan Heiser (03:50):
And I'm glad to be. This is exciting.

Well, all of our lovely listeners who don't
know you, can you give a littlebit of a firsthand description
about yourself?

Dan Heiser (04:01):
Yeah. So briefly, ventured into a lot of things,
traveled a lot, been a littlespoiled because of it. But I'd
say, after coming home fromIreland, after I took a gap year
from college, went into myundergrad of game design, then

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changed to my master's inhistory. And now I'm pursuing my
PhD in history, and I'll begraduating next year after my
dissertation's completed. Andthen everything between that has
been cosplayed to 30,000followers on TikTok, and then I
eventually quit that and left.
Hello, Winston.

Dog owner. Welcome Winston!

Dan Heiser: Dog owner, publishing 4 books, (04:47):
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and then took a while off ofthat. Now I'm finally getting
back into it.

So you're getting back into writing. I
know you have an Instagram forbook lovers that you share...

Dan Heiser (04:59):
I do.

All of your writing and reads.

Dan Heiser (05:01):
It's more so book memes at this point, but still.

Well and then a lot of writing stuff too. When
you're going through thatwriting journey, you're telling
little stories using reels andthings to get to promote your
writing. So you've got that. Andthe way we know each other is we
worked together both at the TVstation a few years back.

Dan Heiser (05:16):
yep.

and met couple days before we hosted our
own little show at Pentacon at alittle convention.

Dan Heiser (05:25):
Emergency hosting because I was terrified.

And I'll add this. In the meantime, this is
February 2020, so the whole timewhile all this is going on

Dan Heiser (05:33):
A month before everything hit the fan.

I remember seeing some news stories.
and like, oh, that That's notgonna happen.
This whole 2020 thing.

Dan Heiser (05:39):
It's China. No.
So we What happened? Like, amonth later, everything went the
hell in a handbasket.

Everything the world was completely
different. We pulled through.Our creativeness got us through.

Dan Heiser (05:50):
Our creativeness got us through it.

Yes. Got us through that whole year. Now
we're both in different placesdoing different things, and you
have quite a lot of victorystories to be proud about.

Dan Heiser (05:59):
So As well as you.

Thank you. Well, we're not talking about me
today. We're talking about you.And so I wanna I wanna take it
back to the beginning. Can youtell me the first time that you
really realized that you weregonna be an author or a writer.

Dan Heiser (06:14):
You want the truth?

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (06:16):
5 years old.

5 years old. Okay.

Dan Heiser (06:18):
I've been writing since I can remember. Remember
those, like, half days atschool? So, like, my dad worked,
my mother worked, so I'd go backwith her to work. And I'd sit in
her little office waiting to gohome, making up these stupid
children's stories about, like,farm animals and stuff.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (06:36):
And that never died. That's the one thing that I've
done creatively that has neverdied. Cosplay, I've done. It
died.
I wanna get back into it, but Ihaven't like, the only time I
really do is when I get intoFlynn Rider for Renaissance
Fairs, and that's it.

I like that character a lot.

Dan Heiser (06:51):
Who doesn't?

I know. He's great.

Dan Heiser (06:56):
Honestly, he's he's the best. Like, it I will say
this till the day I die. Tangledis the last good Disney movie
ever made.

I love Tangled. That one's my favorite,
and it has a special place in myheart.

Dan Heiser (07:08):
100%.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you have
always enjoyed making upelaborate stories. You know,
even from such a really youngage, the writing thing has been
something that has brought youjoy.

Dan Heiser (07:19):
Yeah. It's escapism, but it's freedom, and it's able
to give back to everybody. It'sit's, hey. Whatever you're going
through, read.

And you're currently in the middle of
writing a book right now.

Dan Heiser (07:35):
I am. I am.

Well, tell me a little bit about that.

Dan Heiser (07:37):
Yeah. So I've I've dabbled a lot in fantasy. One
day, I want to actually publishone of my fantasy works, but I
have that an idea pops up. Itcan't fit into this, so it
creates a new project. But whatI really fall back into every
time is historical fiction.
Okay. And so what I'm working onnow, is it starts right after

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the war.

Which war?

Dan Heiser (08:00):
World War 2. Okay. An RAF, Royal Air Force, POW,
comes home after being a POW for5 years and ends up basically
finding out his wife remarried.He literally just married her,
like, rightbefore the war starts.

Aw man.

Dan Heiser (08:18):
Yeah. It's bad. He finds out right after his
assumed assumed dead, and so,basically, he divorces his wife,
runs to America, meets up withone of his friends he made in
the POW camp, falls in love withhis guy's sister. And then when
he comes back home, he has tochoose between becoming the next

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line in the earldom or her.

And she's in a different country. She's an
American. Yeah.

Dan Heiser (08:45):
Yeah.

Oh, that sounds really interesting. And,
you are taking a lot ofinspiration from interests that
you have. Yep. And it you're ahistorian, so talk a little bit
about that. I've never had ahistorian on the show.

Dan Heiser (08:57):
Okay. It really started when I was 4 years old.

Okay, So even before the
writing you liked history?

Dan Heiser (09:01):
Yeah. Way before the writing. I saw Titanic in 1997.
My my parents showed a 4 yearold. The VHS covered the eyes
the inappropriate parts.

I remember my mom did the same thing to me.
She was like, you need to seethis movie.

Dan Heiser (09:18):
but not this part!

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

Dan Heiser (09:22):
I, yeah. I can still remember that day by day. And,
so, yeah, I got obsessed withTitanic. I studied that ship
forward and backwards for, ohGod, 20 years.

Well, are any of your books themed around
that?

Dan Heiser (09:42):
My first one. Okay. The one that not many can
actually get because it's out ofpublishing right now because
it's a horrible write.

Well, I think the first of anything, you learn
a lot after when you do thefirst one. But guess what?

Dan Heiser (09:54):
You do.

I was gonna say, you can't let the fear of
the first one keep you fromdoing it.

Dan Heiser (09:59):
No. You can't!

So now you're on your 4th.

Dan Heiser (10:01):
You also learn lessons. You're on your 5th,
right? I'm on the I'm on 5th.

You're on the 5th. You have 4 books.

Dan Heiser (10:06):
The first book is These Four Days. That's the
Titanic one. The second one isWhere I've Been. The third one
is It Begins in Rye, which wassupposed to be a 6 book series,
but I kinda lost the entiresecond book.

Oh, no. Like, Physically?

Dan Heiser (10:23):
Do to Winston.

Oh, no. Winston is his dog. And, oh, my
goodness. He ate your homework?

Dan Heiser (10:30):
He did.

Oh, no.

Dan Heiser (10:31):
He really did. Yeah. So my mother found like, I asked
her for my laptop that had mycapstone project on it, and she
gave it to me for a brief timebecause I gave it to her. And I
found the book, took it off, andput it on a flash drive.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (10:51):
Winston got bored one day and ate the flash drive.

Oh, no. And, Dan, you must love Winston
because he is still here.

Dan Heiser (10:58):
He's still alive 2 years later.

You didn't give him away.

Dan Heiser (11:01):
Like I'm actually kinda glad.

Oh, and there he is. Winston has a lot to say
about it, I guess.

Dan Heiser (11:07):
I'm actually kinda glad because when I first wrote
it, it wasn't believable.Because, like, I'm I'm the
historical fiction author whobelieves every historical event
in the book has to be a 100%factual. Like, you can't you
can't change it, any of that. Sothe first draft was completely
historically accurate, but justunbelievable.

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The second draft, which I wasreally liking, was eaten by
Winston. And I'm glad it didbecause now I can eventually and
this was supposed to bepublished back in, like, 2019.
Okay. We're, what, 5 yearslater?

I see what you're saying about having the
historical part of thehistorical fiction and really
being passionate about thatbecause you're a historian. So,
you know, we both we both sharea love for theater, but one of
the things about theater that Iremember learning is that you
have to have those real parts bea 100% real because your
audience is gonna know. And thenyou'd rather it be, you know, a

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fictional story, but using thereal things that happened and
have them be correct andinteresting.

Dan Heiser (12:12):
Yep.

And have those that audience base love
that because it's real stuffthat you're talking about, and
you can envision the storiesjust taking place during that
time even if they came from yourimagination. So that's really
interesting, and I think thatit's very, admirable that you
are taking it so seriously andsay and making sure that, you
know, you haven't put somethingout there as a second volume of

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it...

Dan Heiser (12:38):
Just to get it out.

Just to get it out. That you wanna wait.
And, there's been a couple otherbooks that have come out since
that one or since the first ofthat series, and those don't
have anything to do with thatseries. And these are different.
Tell us about those.

Dan Heiser (12:50):
The one that follows It Begins in Rye, because that
was the 3rd published, is DearTarquin.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (12:56):
It's a short story. It's, like, 50 pages. Can be
read in an hour. That one, it'sabout 50 or so pages long, and
the only reason why I wrote itis because I am dead set. And I
pray to God, the day I getmarried, whoever that lucky
woman is, she will go with whatI said, because I've dreamed
about my kids, and I know theirnames. I really the firstborn,

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Tarquin Charles, and I named thebook after Tarquin.

Oh, okay. Aww

Dan Heiser (13:26):
That's that's probably why I stuck with it.
But it's it's a short storyabout basically a dad who writes
his son letters. Like, everychapter opens up with the
letter, so it's first person.And then the rest of the chapter
is actually being there. So it'sAmerican visualing from
visualization from, I believe, DDay to the end of the war.

Oh, wow. And it's from the dad, right, into
his son? Yep. That is sointeresting. I like that.

Dan Heiser (13:54):
It's gotten mixed reviews.

Like, I could see

Dan Heiser (13:56):
I think it's sitting at a 4 point 5 on Amazon right
now. Okay. it's mostly thereason why is because of the
change of POV. Literally, thefirst page is the letter, and
then the rest of the chapter isthe third person point of view
of the war. Like, some peoplelike it. Some people hate it.

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But that's anything.

I need to read it. I think that I would
like that. I think that soundsreally interesting and very
different.

Dan Heiser (14:25):
It was a travel down when I actually wrote it myself.
So it was, like, something Inever tried and never actually
saw in any form of readingmaterial. And I was like, I'm
down. I'm gonna try it. I don'tcare if it flops. I'm still
gonna publish it.

Well, that's a really good attitude to have
as a young author because I feellike, like we were saying
earlier, the first or second,you know, few things that we
try, we have to learn from them.And I think that you never
really learn if you never try.And so you have to you have to
get that out and get it out ofyou, whether it's a book, a
song, whatever you're writing orcreating.

Dan Heiser (14:59):
And that's also the beauty of self publishing.

Yeah. Okay.

Dan Heiser (15:02):
You're not you're not restricted to the
traditionalist. Like, I want todo traditional, and I'm gonna
try for this one, but the firststart is getting an agent.
That's not the easy part.

I was gonna say I know nothing about
publishing and writing booksother than just it takes a lot
of patience with yourself, a lotof creativity. I want you to
talk a little bit about selfpublishing. We might have
someone who is thinking aboutdoing that one day or, writing a
book themselves. And do you haveany advice to give to someone
like that?

Dan Heiser (15:30):
It's not hard

Okay. Really?

Dan Heiser (15:33):
no. It's not. Everybody makes it out to seem
like it is. I'm not the type todo crowd fundings. I want to
just to, like, actually have thelike, for the next one, the
stability of actually being ableto afford the book. Because
putting, like the hardest partof self publishing is you're
putting your own money intoeverything. You gotta buy you

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gotta pay the, cover artists.You gotta pay an editor if you
get one, which I alwaysrecommend. So the horror story
of the first book, it comes downto the person I hired as the
publisher. He ran through thewhole like, this is how I
actually know how to actuallyself publish because he helped

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me.
The problem was that he told me,edit it yourself. The first
draft, edit yourself. Of course.Yeah. Like, read it, make sure
it makes sense, make sure itflows, make sure, like, you
catch the grammatical errorsthat you can catch on your own,
but you definitely need to hiresomeone. Because they're gonna

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like, a fresh pair of eyes isgonna see something different
that you didn't catch. You canalways reject the comments or
accept the comments, but havinga second pair of eyes is always
a must. So that's going to costmoney. The cover art's going to
cost money. If you decide to buyan ISBN, which is the little
barcode number at the end.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (17:00):
That's gonna cost money. The price may have gone
up now, because I haven't doneit since 2018, but it was it was
quite a bit, for, like, onealone.

Do you have to get an, a separate one for
each?

Dan Heiser (17:13):
Every single book.

Oh, wow.

Dan Heiser (17:14):
But that's why that's why they recommend
buying, like, packs of 5 and 10because you can eventually just,
like, either give it to a friendor put it on your own.

Yeah. I didn't even know that.

Dan Heiser (17:25):
The important part is and Amazon offers free ones,
which is even better.

Oh, okay.

Dan Heiser (17:29):
The problem with Amazon's free ones, though, is
you can't sell it in Books AMillion, Barnes and Noble. It's
only on Amazon.

Yeah. Well, as we know, Amazon didn't start
off as a marketplace that soldeverything. It was just books.

Dan Heiser (17:45):
Yeah.

And earlier, you mentioned that you have your
books on Amazon. Yep. So ifsomeone's curious and they wanna
go and read some of the booksthat we've been talking about.

Dan Heiser (17:52):
The fastest way that I've searched it is if you,
like, look up where I've beenand then Dan Heiser

Okay.

Dan Heiser (17:59):
It'll be the first thing that pops up.

Alright.

Dan Heiser (18:02):
Where I've been by itself, not so much.

But if you type in where I've been by Dan
Heiser And we're gonna have thatall listed in the show notes, so
you'll be able to just scrolldown and click a link, and we'll
have that there so you can checkout Dan's work. But we are
talking about self publishing.And do you have any thoughts or
challenges that came up when youwere in that space for the first
time? So, you know, I know youand I being good friends, you've

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heard me talk about things likeimposter syndrome or you know?
And and you were just sharingthat there's always funding that
people have, that's kinda like ahurdle whether, you know,
whether you have it or not.There's always a challenge.

Dan Heiser (18:40):
You mentioned you mentioned impostor syndrome. I
only experienced that, like,playing, like, Lord of the Rings
tabletop games and all thatstuff.

Really? Okay.

Dan Heiser (18:48):
Like, when I'm actually leading them. But,
like, when it's the writing,I'm, like, no... this is, like
when it went out, I'm, like, ohmy God. I'm an author. This is
actually like, I'm no longer awriter.
I'm an author.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (19:01):
Because the second, in in my opinion, and this goes,
I think, amongst the wholeBookstagram, BookTok industry,
all of that stuff where it'slike the second the
differentiation between anauthor and a writer. A writer is
someone who writes. An author issomeone who's actually been
published.

Okay. See, I didn't know that. That's good
information. So you're a writerwhen you're working on something
and doing it personally.
But once you've had-

Dan Heiser (19:26):
The second you're published, whether it's news,
articles, and magazines

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (19:30):
Whatever, the second your name is published, you're
an author.

But that makes a lot of sense. Well, I
knew that you'd been published,so I thought, of course, you're
an author.

Dan Heiser (19:39):
The the funny thing is I haven't actually said I'm
an author in years.

See, like, I know how hard that is, but you
are an author, and that's one ofthe reasons I wanted you on this
podcast.

Dan Heiser (19:47):
I think I think it's probably because, like, it's a
vanity thing.

But it's not.

Dan Heiser (19:52):
But it's not. But it is.

But I think too it's just like yeah.
Sometimes it's hard I know as anartist, it's hard to call myself
an artist. And I'm like, okay. Iforgot that I was an artist a
few weeks ago. Dylan had mydegree framed. And so I just
relearned, like, who I was, andI was like, I don't even need
to, like, shy away from thisbecause I paid good money to get
that degree.

Dan Heiser (20:13):
You did.

To say that I'm an artist. And you have put
in the hours, and you've gotdegrees and multiple I mean,
you're working on your PhD. Soyou have the time, the you know,
the lifestyle. You've put in thework to call yourself that, and
we all should not shy away fromcalling ourselves what we are,
whether it is a author, anartist, a photographer, a you

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know, whatever you are, a woodenspoon maker. I don't know what
you do, but, like, if you do itand you do it a lot with your
wholeheart, that's what you are!

Dan Heiser (20:43):
Or an adorable sleeping dog. I mean,
look at that.

Or a sweet little beagle named Winston.
Yes. He's finally settled.

Dan Heiser (20:49):
Oh my goodness. He is so happy.

Victoria B. Glass: He's so sweet. I wanna get into (20:52):
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what you're doing now. So let'stalk about your bookstagram. Am
I saying that right?Bookstagram?

Dan Heiser (20:56):
I think it's bookstagram.

Okay. Building an audience of people
who are writers or authors.

Dan Heiser (21:01):
Supposed to be a writing author aspect.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (21:04):
You know? My Instagram's, like I said at the
beginning, it's memes.

Okay. So book memes

Dan Heiser (21:10):
It's more so, like, just comedic audios of, like,
oh, when your friend reads Ithink one of my most popular
right now is, like, when yourfriend reads your book right
after you finish the firstdraft, and they go, are you
okay?

I saw that one. I do remember. And you're
like, are you, you're good.Right? Like, I'm like, no.

Dan Heiser (21:33):
I mean Internally, no.

Yeah. That's so funny.

Dan Heiser (21:37):
But it's stuff like that. It's it's connecting to,
like, trying to push myself outthere, but at the same time,
it's like, I'm here for just thefun.

I think that, although I'm not a writer or
author, but I do well, maybe Iam, and I didn't know it.

Dan Heiser (21:53):
You're a bit of a writer.

Well okay. But, anyways, I was gonna say
not so much like books andstuff, but I do appreciate your
your writing journey. And I feellike your bookstagram is a place
where other fellow writers canreally receive that,
relatability of, like, thestruggles of writing a book or,
you know, what it is like tohave these characters exist in
your head.

Dan Heiser (22:16):
Yes, What it makes you fall in love with a
character.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (22:18):
And they're the secondary character and you have
to kill them, and then you'relike, God. I don't wanna kill
this character.

And I think they're fun when I can only
imagine just like you said,having a character exist and
then for the plot to keep going,you've gotta kill them off. And
you're the creator doing that,and you're like, oh, no. I'm
gonna miss them!

Dan Heiser (22:35):
It's easy when you don't fall in love with them.

Yeah. Exactly.

Dan Heiser (22:39):
But those are the, in my opinion, the ones that
fail the most.

Okay. Well, why's that?

Dan Heiser (22:44):
So if you don't love the character enough and you
have no problem with it dying,then the reader's not gonna
care. There's there's also a lotof authors who just kill the
character for drama effect. AKAthe entire, Game of Thrones
series.

See, that would be hard. I feel like.

Dan Heiser (23:03):
Killing off a character for plot reasons makes
no sense.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (23:06):
There has to be a reason you're killing the
character off, not just to pissoff your reader.

Or make the drama.

Dan Heiser (23:13):
Yeah. Exactly. And I feel like that's a lot of what
authors do these days, whereit's like, oh, this is the most
loved character. I'm writing himout. It's like, why would you do
that?

Yeah. You gotta have that, intentionality
behind it. Like, what was yourintention with it?

Dan Heiser (23:26):
There has to be a reason to actually kill them
off. Otherwise, it's gonna flophard.

That makes sense. I see where you would say
that.

Dan Heiser (23:32):
Book's not gonna be picked up again or, like a lot
of my friends, thrown across theroom.

Oh, I don't know if I've done that to a
book. Maybe.

Dan Heiser (23:40):
I've thrown plenty of books, not for the reason of
getting mad, just because Iwanna get it away from water.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, tell me a little bit about
your books, what you hope thatthe characters take away from
reading them. Or not characters.I'm sorry. The readers. What do
you hope that the readertakes away?

Dan Heiser: The readers? Honestly, it's the (23:57):
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diving into realism. So thefirst off, hopefully, whoever
reads it gets interested inactually history, like, actually
wants to look more into thehistorical value behind the
book. For example, with ItBegins in Rye, I'm not gonna

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spoil a scene, but there's amention of the HMS Royal Oak.
And that is a very big impact -

Is that a ship?

Dan Heiser (24:34):
It's a ship.

Okay. I thought so.

Dan Heiser (24:36):
Big impact in the book and big impact in the
beginning of World War 2,probably right after the phony
war when World War 2 really ampsup, right after the Battle of
Britain. And so I just reallywant people to go, okay. This is
a interesting tidbit that's inthe book. Let's actually look

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into the real history behind it.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (24:59):
The second thing I hope readers take from it is,
like, just feeling the emotionsthat it, like, actually gives.
Because it's like it's like,hey. You've read this. What did
you feel?

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (25:13):
Did you actually feel the emotions that, like,
it's trying to give, or did itfall flat?

So I think that when you're writing
anything, whether it's a song, abook, a poem, you hope to
communicate those feelings thatmight not be everyday feelings
that people feel.

Dan Heiser (25:32):
Yeah.

So when you're writing, you know, a lot
of people I mean, there might bea couple, but there's a lot of
most of us alive right now havenot experienced war to the
extreme of what World War 2 orany other battle.

Dan Heiser (25:44):
Yeah. Knock on wood!

Yeah - Knock on wood. But, you know, I
remember my grandfather whopassed away early on in life. He
was in World War 2, and therewas a really special little
ceremony we did at school. Andthere was only, you know, like,
probably couple handfuls ofgrandparents who were left. And
I read about it or see it in thenews a lot.
There there's not a whole lot ofpeople left like that, so those

(26:06):
stories are only getting passeddown in that way from people
like you who have done theresearch to understand what
exactly, you know, went on, notjust from a factual the ship
sunk, but from the people who,like, you know, who experienced
it. And it's secondhand, butyou've read those diary entries

(26:30):
or those stories about, youknow, those nonfiction, even
though you're a fictionalwriter, a historical fictioner.

Dan Heiser (26:36):
Yeah, the memoirs.

You've read those memoirs, and, you know, I
feel like it's a reallyresponsible and powerful
position that you're in becauseif you don't communicate those
feelings that war might bringor, you know, bigger points in
history might bring, then we'rejust we're not gonna take that
seriously. We're not gonna takethose times and really give them

(26:57):
the respect they deserve becausewe don't know.

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And we're doomed to repeat it, right. But
I was gonna say because we don'tknow. Like, we don't know what
all really happened.

Dan Heiser (27:06):
Yeah.

And so to paint those stories from your
own interest in history andbeing a historian, plus your
love for writing, plus your lovefor other books and reading, and
taking all that and combining itinto a passion and a career,
that's a really responsiblething to do because, I mean, it
communicates that to youngeraudiences, to new people who

(27:27):
haven't experienced that stufffirst firsthand. So that's a
victory story, and I feel like,you know, you won already
because it's you that is bothinterested in it, and it's you
that's creating it, so you getto be creative and so yeah.

Dan Heiser (27:41):
And off of that, No, you're right. I know I've sold,
like, maybe a good chunk ofcopy. I don't I honestly have
not kept track. I intend to kindof keep track with the newest
one once I actually publish it,and I wanna see if I can.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (27:57):
But the reviews themselves, it's just going
because, like, there's days whenI'm like, I'm bored. I'm gonna
go I'm gonna go back andactually read the reviews. and,
like, just the impact that ithad on people where it's like,
he's actually a good writer. Heactually makes these people
believable.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (28:16):
It's impressive to actually bring something that
happened 80 years ago to today.

I love that. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing
because it's impacting peopletoday who weren't even alive,
probably not even, like, youknow, thought about. Like, you
know, and now they're readingyour work about something that
happened, affected everyone,alive or not. You know? Like, I
mean, we still we all talk aboutit. We learn about it.

Dan Heiser (28:41):
We watch movies about it. Movies are still being
made about it.

Victoria B. Glass: Exactly! Yeah. And, like you (28:44):
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said too, it's really importantto have even a like, even if
you're just watching the moviesand stuff, have an idea of what
it took to for that stuff tohappen because you don't want it
to happen again. Yeah. So,that's really cool. And I also
wanna add this. I know as acreative myself that finding the

(29:05):
strength and courage to go backand read reviews, to go and keep
up with, you know, the numbersand the analytics of things.
Most creatives I mean, I'm not Idon't wanna speak for everyone,
but most creatives, that's notthe first thing that they think
about. Like, you're trying toget something out of you when
you create something, and you,you know, want to do that first
and foremost, to the best ofyour ability, create. So a lot

(29:29):
of times we put that I'm sureeveryone I know everyone cares
about what people think. Like,it's something that in human
nature we should we all arelooking whether we wanna admit
it or not. We're looking for....

Dan Heiser (29:39):
Attention.

Approval, attention, you know, acceptance,
I think, is a big part. That'sreally where I was going is we
all wanna be accepted. So whenwe put our heart out there and
it's something that we reallycare about, it does matter that
people like it and that it'sreceived well. But I was getting
to, too ... It's not usually thefirst thing that we're like,
"okay. how many copies? How manyreviews? How much money? How

(30:02):
many numbers?" Like, that I goto that number thing.

Dan Heiser (30:05):
I feel like everybody goes to the number
thing because it's just the onething they're like, it's either
the money or how many.

But that doesn't matter.

Dan Heiser (30:13):
No. I don't care.

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victory that I'm... that's whatI was getting to is, like, I
know that you were saying withthis next one, you wanna, you
know, look at that a little bitmore, and I think that shows in
your own writing career from afrom an outside perspective,
like just maturity because it'slike, okay, I've done this, I've
gotten it's hard to even produceor publish something.

Dan Heiser (30:31):
Yeah.

So to have those, you know, couple, you
know, 2, 4 out of the way, nowyou're looking at this from a
new point of view, which is I'mgonna make another one, and this
time, I'm gonna maybe look atsome other things and keep this
in the back of my head of, like,you know, trying to check up on
things. I do it with my podcast.I'm like, I mean, for real. I've
really just now started beinglike, alright. Let's look at the

(30:53):
analytics.

Dan Heiser (30:53):
Yep.

Which topics do people enjoy? And it's like
but for the first, what, 60 fewepisodes, it's like I'm doing
this because I've got somethinginside of me that needs
to be out.

Dan Heiser (31:02):
Exactly.

And I think as a writer, you know..

Dan Heiser (31:05):
Honestly, that's that's how you should look at
everything. But here's thething. Like, if you look at
everything as that stupiddopamine chase

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (31:13):
I'm guilty of it, I will say. Like, every time I
post a stupid reel on Instagram,I'm like, oh, I gotta see who
liked it. Yeah. And it's likeyou're like just one person.
It's like so I'm trying to getto that aspect of not even
paying attention to that and,like, walking away and letting
it grow and come back to it andgo, oh, 10 people like it.

Your people are gonna find you.

Dan Heiser (31:37):
Oh, eventually. Yes. Always.

They will find you. And,

Dan Heiser (31:40):
though, it it goes back to, like, not just
Instagram, not just everything.Like, I I will brag a little
where, like, looking at thereviews, I have not seen
anything under 4 stars.

That's awesome!!

Dan Heiser (31:52):
The only reason why 4 stars showed up is because the
second book that was published,Where I've Been, which I take
much pride in it because Ireally consider that the first
one Because it was, like,professionally edited,
everything. I did it myself. Theonly reason why it was a 4 stars
is because it reminded thereader of All is Quiet on the

(32:13):
Western Front, and I'm like, butit's not. Because where I've
been is literally the World Warone aspect of a cavalry fighter.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (32:23):
He literally has his horse taken from him, and then
he's like, you know what? I'mI'm going with the horse. You
can't stop me.

Aw.

Dan Heiser (32:31):
And for the first half of the book, you follow
him, and then, I think I'veactually shown it to you, the
the silver, award, the littlesilver dish? I've had framed?

Oh Yeah.

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second half of the book becausehe gets injured, sent home, gets
the war badge.

Oh! Where did you get that?

Dan Heiser (32:51):
Umm... eBay.
Most of my World War 1 and 2collection comes from Ebay.

I love that. So you're a collector too. We
hadn't even talked about that. Imean

Dan Heiser (32:58):
Actually, we haven't. I haven't collected in
a while. I think I stopped aftermy trip to Normandy. Got the
sands from Normandy and Dunkirk,and then I just didn't wanna put
money into it anymore.

Well, I love that you've, again, taken your
interest with history and madesomething out of that interest.
So it's not just a passion thatyou have, but you're also
sharing it with other people.

Dan Heiser (33:20):
Trying to.

Yeah. Well, like we mentioned, the people
are gonna find you. You justhave to keep showing up.

Dan Heiser (33:25):
Eventually, Yeah.

And when you're working on different
projects, whether it's a PhD, abook, making a new website, I
don't know, whatever creativelyyou're working on, not you, but
just as a creative, yeah, you'regonna be introduced to new
audiences, new people, newinfluences, and things like
that. So I think once it soundslike you've got a great handle

(33:46):
on it. Once you figure out whatit is you like, , there's gonna
be people there. It's not gonnabe the whole world. Like, you
know it.

Dan Heiser (33:53):
but You you find your people.

But you find your people. Right!! And when
you do find those people, thenit's so much easier to start
making content, whether it be abook.

Dan Heiser (34:02):
When it comes to that is always write for you.

Write for you. Yes

Dan Heiser (34:06):
Do it for you and the people will follow
afterwards.

And I'm gonna add to that because I've loved
this lately. Is find it once youfind your people, you're like,
oh, they're similar to me, and Ican keep making this ... For
them! with them in mind.

Dan Heiser (34:20):
Yeah, 100%. Yep!

I like that you're you're working on your
PhD.

Dan Heiser (34:23):
Yeahhh 100% Yep.

You're you've got another book in the works.
Well, I have a question. . Sothis just came to me. So if we
have any aspiring authors whoare listening, maybe they're
writing and stuff, and they haveideas come to them all the time,
how do you decipher what youshould actually put time and
energy into making a reality,writing?

(34:45):
And how do you say, okay. Thatcharacter is awesome, but not
this time, and put thatcharacter kinda back in the..

Dan Heiser (34:50):
And shelve them?

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (34:51):
Oh, I hate that feeling so much.

Is there any advice you would give to people
who are flooded with ideas andthey maybe need some help to
weed out the good ones, maybeput some on the back burner
until they kinda develop more?How do you pick which ones
you're gonna write first?

Dan Heiser (35:07):
Yeah So it comes down to flushing out an idea. I
used to be a pantser writer.

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Dan Heiser (35:14):
Basically, someone who just writes and doesn't plot
anything.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (35:19):
And I still am because I don't like outlines. I
never liked outlines. So I don'tlike outlines.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (35:29):
When I have to do them for homework projects, I,
like, they're great because atfirst, I saw I find them
completely useless, and then,like, actually, when I'm writing
the paper, I'm like, like, oh,this is what I wanna do, and I
can write this faster becauseI'm actually following this.
Yeah. But when it comes down toyour question, it's find two

(35:51):
things. The first, generally,like, plot out the whole thing.
Like, it doesn't have to beperfect. It doesn't have to be
front, excuse me, front to end.It has to be have a beginning,
have a middle, have an end.Like, pinpoint that. And then if
you're a pants writer, justwrite as you go, write your
feeling, whatever. But at leasthave an idea. The second thing

(36:15):
I'm gonna say is when it comesdown to taking priority,
whatever is coming out the most,whether it be a character that,
like, doesn't fit the plot,adapt him a little. Like, if
you're attached to thischaracter, adapt him to fit the
plot.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (36:35):
If you are if you have too many ideas like I do,
where in like I do....

That's where I feel like most of us are.

Dan Heiser (36:41):
It's the worst.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (36:43):
It's the worst because, like, you sit there,
you get go hung on, like,project a, and then, like, you
get, like, 3 chapters in, andthen a new idea blossoms, and
you're like, okay. If it's astrong enough idea to take over,
let it take over.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (36:59):
If it's a strong if it's a weak idea, adapt it to
fit what you're working with.

Ooooh, okay!!

Dan Heiser (37:04):
That is that is what I always do. If it's a strong if
it's an idea that can actuallyfit into the plot that I'm
working with, change it and fitit in. It becomes a secondary
story.

Can you give me an example of how you've done
that in some of your writing?

Dan Heiser (37:17):
So recently, an abandoned project that I hope to
return to was supposed to be amodern day Rumpelstiltskin.

Okay. I love the story of Rumpelstiltskin.

Dan Heiser (37:26):
Like, Not many people do.

I do.

Dan Heiser (37:28):
I don't know why.

Because it's not really a good movie or a
good story for mothers.

Dan Heiser: It's the message. It's a good message. Don't trust random strangers who have promised you a fortune. (37:33):
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It's a good message.
Yeah, well..it worked out withme and you. Like, you're a
random stranger, and I was arandom stranger. And look at us.
5 years later, we're stillfriends. But, no, I get what you
mean.

Dan Heiser (37:48):
Right?!

That's a cool idea.

Dan Heiser (37:50):
So that idea blossomed, and I was like, okay.
And then I had another fantasyidea that popped up, and it had
to do with teleportation and allthat stuff. So the whole plot of
this modern day Rumpelstiltskinthat I still wanna write, is he
has lived, like, 6 centuries,maybe more. He's, like,

(38:11):
everything that happened in theoriginal Grimm's tale is true
except the part where he dies.Like, currently, he has 6
children because he's made dealsin the modern time. Oh, okay.
Yeah. And like, his oldestknows, so he's trying to become
the new Rumpel Silskin.

Okay. That's interesting.

Dan Heiser (38:26):
He has this really because, like, we're in that era
of, like, everybody wants to betheir own entrepreneur, all that
stuff. So he has his ownbusiness where he, like, makes
millionaires by, like, gettingrid of their debt, all that
stuff. And he finds people whohave, like, major debts and all
that stuff and makes them gofrom negatives to millionaires.

Yeah. Okay.

Dan Heiser (38:46):
And so he finds this chick, falls in love with her by
accident, and he takes her on adate. And in the middle of it,
like, aft like, after the 2 dayshe spent with her, she's gone
from, like, 0 to half a million.And they're on this date, and
she goes, you know who youremind me of? Rumpelstiltskin.

Oh my goodness. Okay.

Dan Heiser (39:06):
And he goes, "What? Excuse me," and goes to the
bathroom and then teleports toGermany because anytime you say
his name, he goes back toGermany .

Oh, yeah. That's right. So he's gone...?

Dan Heiser (39:14):
Yeah. So the whole teleportation idea that I took
from whatever that plot wassupposed to be, I twisted it
into that book.

Okay. I like that. And now it's 2 ideas that
have been merged into 1.

Dan Heiser (39:27):
Yeah.

I really do like that.
That's good advice.

Dan Heiser (39:30):
That is my always go to. It's it's if you have a good
idea and it can't be by itself,do it. If you have a good idea
but it can mix into what you'redoing, mix it.

Adapt the ideas because there's a reason
they're coming to you. Like, youknow?

Dan Heiser (39:44):
And they don't stop.

And they don't stop. You're right. Well,
that is really good advice, andI think it inspires me to go and
take a look at my ideas listand,

Dan Heiser (39:55):
You have a good couple ones. .

Reevaluate.

Dan Heiser: We've talked about a couple of (39:57):
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them tonight.

Yeah. We have. Well, I know that you are
currently working on a couplethings that we've talked about,
but we haven't really talkedabout things that have
influenced you. Do you have anysongs, books, authors, movies
that you are really inspired byand influenced by, whether it be
in your writing style or withyour love for history that maybe

(40:22):
you think someone listeninghasn't seen or heard of yet?

Dan Heiser (40:25):
I found an artist on Instagram

Okay.

Dan Heiser (40:30):
That is... I've never heard anything like
this. He's

Is it a Music artist?

Dan Heiser (40:33):
Music.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (40:35):
Elias Alexander.

Okay. And why do you like him?

Dan Heiser (40:38):
He's taken, like, Scottish fiddle and bagpipes and
put it into pop music.

Oh.

Dan Heiser (40:43):
Right? right?
What?

I'm gonna have to hear it.
But don't play it now because Idon't wanna get copyright.

Dan Heiser (40:48):
Oh, Yeah. Right.

What's his name again?

Dan Heiser (40:50):
So Elias Alexander.

Okay, and he's on Instagram?

Dan Heiser (40:52):
And he's on Instagram.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (40:53):
And he's awesome. And, like, I think Tuesday after
work, I just he he doesn't havea lot of stuff on YouTube, but I
put his YouTube on and juststarted writing. And it he is
good.

Does it... is it lyrics? or is it just the
music?

Dan Heiser (41:09):
There's a couple lyrics, but it's just mostly the
music.

So you listen to it while you're writing?

Dan Heiser (41:15):
I'll listen to music while I write. Most usually,
it's probably Viralynn, anything1940's , because it just gets
you in the setting.

We hadn't even talked about your love for
the 1940's.

Dan Heiser (41:28):
No. We haven't.

Which I'm glad you brought it up, because
I did wanna mention that wetalked about how much you love
history, and you have a love fora lot of different things,
whether it's writing. I knowwe've talked a lot about ...

Dan Heiser (41:41):
And you caught me on a day where I'm not dressed like
it.

Yeah. When I first met Dan, he only wore
1940's nice, very nice buttondowns, very dapper!
Is that right to say? Dapper?Very dapper.

Dan Heiser (41:50):
Yes! Waistcoats.

you have a very nice wardrobe.
It takes, again, your love forsomething and then incorporates
it into your real life in a waythat is not seen very often
anymore, but can be appreciatedwhen you ask why.
So, like, what is it that youlove about when you put on these
clothes? Is it that you've like,tell me, what is it that you
feel?

Dan Heiser (42:11):
It's a confidence booster!

It's a confidence booster?! Okay. So to
elaborate a little bit.

Dan Heiser (42:15):
So when you change your aspect of anything, like,
whether it's your clothing, yourhair, whatever, it's usually to
make yourself feel better. Andnow it's even harder to get back
into it because it's like ityou're comfortable.

I can see that. I've had even this year,
had to really start, you know,... I work from home. I have a
home office.

Dan Heiser (42:33):
Same.

Really start, like, putting in the effort to
be like, okay. I am going to anoffice today. I need to put on
what I would wear if I was goingto, like, an outside of the
house office. Because if you doI mean, there's nothing wrong
with wearing, like, your sweatsat your home office. Like,
there's nothing wrong with that.But I do know you do that
enough, and, yeah, and you startto get comfortable, like you
said. And so, I love that youwear things that not only

(42:59):
embody, like, that thosecharacters from your stories or
those, you know, people that youhear about and read about from
the memoirs or from, like,history movies and things like
that, but you also receive thatconfidence boost of, like, this
is nice and I stand out in agood way.

Dan Heiser (43:14):
Oh, big time! People compliment me!

I wanna know, do you where do you get those
clothes? Like, when you do yousee them? Do you order them from
a special site, do you thrift?

Dan Heiser (43:21):
Most of my button downs came from my dad.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (43:25):
So he's president of a custom clothing. And, like, so
I'd order my shirts from himbecause it's family discount.

Victoria B. Glass: Ohhh okay! A little, no shame (43:33):
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plug there.

Dan Heiser (43:36):
No shame plug there.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (43:38):
And then the waistcoats are genuine, vintage.
So all of them like, I only have2. There one's from 1945. The
other, I think, is from 1938.

You're the perfect person to have them.
Like, I know

Dan Heiser (43:53):
I want more. I want more.

They found the right home. Like, I love
that.

Dan Heiser (43:58):
The the black one is easier to wear because the other
one's tweed, and you can't wearthat in summer.

Do you have, like, a soldier?

Dan Heiser (44:06):
Oh, I do.

Yeah.

Dan Heiser (44:07):
I've got actually a couple. I think the army shirt
that I've worn a couple times,is 1942.
Wow.
Bomber jacket of 7th is 1945,44.

Oh, that's amazing.

Dan Heiser (44:25):
And then the wow. You got me thinking.

I was gonna say these people, like, I feel
like this adds

Dan Heiser (44:31):
Some of them actually have names in them, and
I wanna

No way!!

Dan Heiser (44:33):
Yeah. I wanna look into them further.

I love that. Like, that is so interesting and
that makes me so curious!

Dan Heiser (44:40):
And that silver badge from that I was talking
about earlier, has an actual IDnumber of an like, I went down
that rabbit hole so deep that Iactually found his name, his
wife, his children

What?

Dan Heiser (44:58):
How he got the award. And I found everything,
and I framed it all around.

Oh, that's so interesting. Are you inspired by
those items to write any of yourcharacters?

Dan Heiser (45:09):
I'd say a little bit.

Okay.

Dan Heiser (45:13):
More so those items are just to remember them. Like,
for example, my prize possessionis a 1938 to 40 pilot logbook.
These are the hardest things tofind.

Victoria B. Glass: Oh WOW! A Real pilot (45:25):
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logbook? Oh my goodness!!

Dan Heiser (45:27):
Pilot logbooks are really hard to obtain because
they're really expensive. Andthis is Charles Albert Leslie
Bevans. He's a sergeant of theRoyal Air Force, and I have his
picture. I have 2 of his medals.I have his RAF cap badge and his

(45:52):
pilot logbook and hisinformation on where he's
buried. Because that actuallysparked my capstone project for
my master's.

Oh, okay.

Dan Heiser (46:00):
I put him in there, and I'm also putting him in my
dissertation. I think he's inchapter 1, and he'll probably go
further in-depth into chapter 3or 4

Wow.

Dan Heiser (46:10):
Because it's gonna be about the actual planes that
he flew.

The the actual ones in the log books?

Dan Heiser (46:19):
Yeah. So they cut him off, and I think he flew an
he flew 2 planes. 1 was just fortraining, the other was a
bomber, and then he died April22, 1940. But it's it's actually
logged at the end of the bookwhere, like, it says killed in
action April 22nd.

This takes the it really does circle all
the way back around.

Dan Heiser (46:37):
It really does.

To the beginning of our conversation,
which was the responsibilitythat you have when you have been
God gifted you with a passionfor history and also paired it
with a passion and talent forwriting. And the way that you
have taken your love for both ofthose things and have paired it
with real things, real people,and the things they actually

(47:00):
did, like the logbook. And nowyou're keeping what they did
alive. Like, you're you'rerespecting it not only with, you
know, your interest and stuff,but you're keeping their stories
alive. You're appreciating itthe way that I feel like it
takes a very special person tobe able to appreciate because
it's like you're puttingyourself in that story.

Dan Heiser (47:19):
Yeah.

And you weren't even alive when it
happened, but you still areconnected to it. And that to me
is so beautiful, and it's justthis big picture of life that I
feel like shows, you know, howGod uses us to, to make the
world a better place, tocontinue to share stories like
his, and then to also give you anew edge because you're writing

(47:42):
these incredible fiction books

Dan Heiser (47:44):
Yeah.

But they're based on real people and real
things. And so, yeah, that'sjust a very interesting victory
story. And you have your ownvictory. There's no war or
battle, but there are. You know,here when you're-

Dan Heiser (47:55):
Internally, maybe.

Maybe. Yeah. I was gonna say, as a writer,
probably internally.

Dan Heiser (48:00):
There's a lot of arguments you have with your
characters.

Yeah. I can only imagine. But you do a
really good job, and I'm soproud of you as a friend. And,
and so that's why I wanted tohave you on is because I feel
like it's just a completely newperspective of being a creator
that I haven't talked to on theshow before, and there's so many
people out there that do whatyou do. Just in my world, you're
the first. And so I appreciateyou for doing what you do, for

(48:26):
loving it the way that you loveit, and being the creative that
you are.

Dan Heiser (48:29):
It's been a pleasure. This has been great.

Well, my fellow artists who tune in and
creatives that tune in, I knowthey're gonna appreciate that
you're doing what you do. And ifyou want to go and follow him so
you can see what he does next,Dan, where can we find you
online?

Dan Heiser (48:44):
Yeah. Really only one place, which is gonna be
Instagram, dans.book.corner

That's cool. And I love that you share your
book recommends and share moreabout the writing process over
on your Instagram.

Dan Heiser (48:55):
Yep.

So if you're listening now and you want to
hear more about Dan's bookinterest and recommends, hear
more about his upcomingprojects, keep up with him as he
finishes his PhD, and you canfind him at dans.book.corner.
Thank you, Dan, for coming on.

Dan Heiser (49:10):
Thank you very much.

Is there anything else you wanna say
while you got a mic in yourhand?

Dan Heiser (49:14):
Don't give up on yourselves.

Awesome.

Dan Heiser (49:16):
I mean, this world does it constantly. Stop doing
it.

Believe in yourself. Advocate for yourself.
Don't give up on yourself.

Dan Heiser (49:22):
Yeah.

I love it. Thank you so much, Dan, for
coming on, and we will talk toyou again soon, hopefully.

Dan Heiser (49:28):
Oh my gosh. Yes.

Alright. Until next time. Tori B. Glass
here with Dan Heiser, author,writer, creator, artist, awesome
friend. Until next time.

Dan Heiser: It's been a pleasure. (49:41):
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Alright. Bye.
Thanks for joining us for thisweek's episode of the Contagious
Victory Podcast. If the showinspired you to share your own
victory story, I'm here to tellyou the world deserves to hear
it. Submit it to me
online at toriblackmon.com.Review and

(50:09):
all appreciate a littlesunshine. I'm Tori B. Thanks for
listening. I'll catch you soon.

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