48 | Healing Your Money Wounds with Emily June Wilcox - Cosmic Coin Drop

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lauren-poppins-raye_1_10- (00:00):
Today we have a special guest, Emily

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June Wilcox.
She is a wealth and businesscoach, author and speaker on a
mission to help womenentrepreneurs heal their money
wounds, Make more profit inbusiness and build passive
income so they can experiencetrue financial freedom and time
freedom while building three,six and seven figure businesses

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in e comm agency and coaching.
Emily decided to ditch thebelief that it had to be hard.
She tapped into feminine energyto allow more ease and joy and
support from her team.
She uses energetics and strategyto help women build their
fempires and walk the joyouspath to millions.
Welcome, Emily.

emily-june-wilcox_1_10-07 (00:47):
Thank you.
I'm so happy to be here.

lauren-poppins-raye_1_10-07 (00:49):
I'm so glad you're here.
I have been geeking out on yourcontent and your new book.

emily-june-wilcox_1_10-07- (00:57):
Yay.

It's so good.
It's such a missing piece.
I feel like, or just such abeautiful addition to the work
that I do around money withclients is more.
On the practical, like settingup the systems to change your
relationship with money

Yeah.

when it comes to the actual wounds,
we focus less on that.
It's more just likeacknowledging that story starts
to shift But your work has beenso fascinating to me the way
that you've been able to distilldown this topic of these money
wounds into these like six basicwounds I love it so much.

emily-june-wilcox_1_10-07-2 (01:35):
Oh, I'm so happy to hear that.
It's like a dream come true tothink about people who are in
financial services or do theirown money work with clients
being able to augment with thisbecause I just see it from such
a different perspective.
And I think, you're very tappedinto the spirituality and
energetics and that kind ofstuff.
But I think, many financialservice providers.

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Just get so frustrated whentheir clients aren't doing the
thing that they've all mutuallyagreed was going to happen.
I'm like because you're notaddressing the

lauren-poppins-raye (02:09):
Something's in the way.
Yeah.

And it's course they're agreeing to
this plan because consciouslythey want to do this thing.
But the subconscious, which istaking over and has a different
plan that's oriented around,avoidance of abandonment or
avoidance of having an issuewhere they then don't trust

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themselves, et cetera.
And so it's like, when we canunderstand that, I think it
makes everything work so muchbetter.
Yeah.
You get to understand yourselfor if you're a provider you get
to understand your clients andjust have more empathy and
understanding for the wholesituation and then more tools to
actually help them move thingsin the direction of their goals.

Yeah.
And to your point, this work isso needed.
Like for anyone else thatsupports people in the realm of
money,

Yeah.

like myself, I'm not trying to dive
deep into that process and thatpart of the process with them.
So having this simplified roadmap of being able to identify
which of them.
They are struggling with orwhich is, unconsciously
sabotaging them or getting inthe way and then also having
this like clear roadmap of whatit's going to look like to

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rewire that kind of what thebefore and after of doing that
healing work is

Yeah.

you having, witnessed that.
Take place with so many of yourclients.
It's that simplified roadmapThanks to your work that makes
it possible to easily addressand acknowledge that as part of
whatever process somebody isgoing through with their money
story.
So I think this is going to plugin.
I know so well with my work andlike anybody that helps people
with money.
Like you said,

Ah, I love it.
Thank you so much.

it's so good.
And it is such a pleasure to beable to look at your astrology
chart relative to this work thatyou do, the way that you help
people with this also knowingyour story as much as I do of
what got you here and themultiple businesses that you
juggle.
I'm so excited to connect thislens of your chart and your

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design with what got you towhere you are now.
So.
First, acknowledging your bigthree, that you are a Gemini sun
and a Pisces moon and a Scorpiorising.
And looking at that, broadstroke pass at your chart
already, I'm seeing the beautyin that.
Your Gemini's son, that cohesivenarrative focus of your work

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that is the storytelling, likeso much of this is being able to
see what is that story of alifetime.
that happens when somebodyembraces that healing work and
makes it to the other side,

Yeah.

that it's basically creating this
bridge, the way that you tellthese stories, of what the
wounds are.
That's the Scorpio piece, what'sthe shit that's in the way.
Working through that to be ableto illuminate the Pisces side of
things.
That's like the bigger purposeand the opening and the
connecting with your mission inthe world and like what your

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relationship with money is meantto be from an expansive and
plugging into the whole humanstory side of it

I love it.

lauren-poppins-raye_1_10-07- (05:24):
is the first thing that comes
through.
Yeah.

That's amazing.
I've,

Mm

Gemini Energy as storytelling but
that's something that I'vereally been consciously focusing
on this year and becoming abetter storyteller because what
I've learned is that that'sreally the language of
unconscious mind.

hmm.

Very abstract, and in the experience,
it's an imaginative, immersiveprocess, and I believe that
story really helps bridge that,and it's not just, something
that keeps it interesting forus, it's actually what helps us.
unconscious mind to shift andalign and get on board.

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And so it's been fun to takethat to the next level.
And you talking about Geministorytelling is just very
affirming with that.

Yeah, like you said, it literally
creates the openings.
It like makes the treasure mapit shows you the way out and the
way through is through story.
And so the other thing withGemini to point out with your
specifically to is you have asuper loaded seventh house.
So your Gemini son is there witha whole bunch of other stuff
that I want to circle around to.

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But so the seventh house ispartnership or one on one.
So it's that space that you'rein when you're supporting a
client through this.
And The piece that I love,especially about tuning into
Gemini is that it's our blindspots.
So when we bring in this dancewith other people and, being
receptive to other people'sstories and hearing them to get

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our own codes and clues out ofthose stories, everybody's Story
has a missing piece for us orsomething that would otherwise
be a blind spot.
But then we hear through theirexample and it gives us a key
that we need for our own growthand healing.
And I think that's part of thebeauty of with astrology it's of
course you did this work.
Of course this is what you felt.

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called to do is bringeverybody's stories together to
create these keys and codes thatbecome the missing piece to the
blind spot that somebody mighthave to find that way through
and out.

Yeah.
It's so true.
I notice any time I feel like,ah, I don't have anything to
say.
If I want to post something onsocial media and I'm like I
don't know It's like I just needto Get with one of my clients.
I need to go into the spaceswhere my clients are asking
questions or one of them books acall and as soon as that happens

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there's so much to say there'sso much energy to respond to,
and it's true, I never see it asyou're the one with the problem
and I'm the one with the answer.
You brought this forward, itchannels through me and we both
benefit.
And then there's the rippleeffect of other people

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benefiting because, yeah, likeyou said, I'm collecting those
clues and looking for patternsand then distilling that into
teachings that can be sharedmore broadly.

So the seventh house is basically
like the house of connection andmirrors.
That's a great way to visualizewhat you're saying.
It's we are a mirror of eachother, but then there's this
infinite hall of mirrors wherethen it bounces off of everybody
and ripples and toucheseverybody that it needs to.
So one way that I like to thinkabout it with your son and your
moon in particular, which arethe luminaries is the code is.

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what does it mean to do yourson?
What is doing your son look likefor you?
Because that's going to open upyour code for like an infinite
energy source, basically betterthan caffeine.
So you mentioned, you're like,Oh, when I'm feeling a little
stagnated, I literally just needto get into the space with
somebody else, which is theseventh house for you.

Yeah.

lauren-poppins-raye_1 (09:17):
Activates your son and in particular, get
into that space around sharingstories and listening and that
back and forth of sharing mindsand opening up our minds to each
other to reflect off of eachother.
And then for you, that opens upthat infinite energy source that
is the activation of your son,as well as just like the solar

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system in the sky as above.
So below.
The sun is like thatgravitational center that pulls
all the other storylinestogether into one cohesive
narrative of our purpose andwhat we're doing and our
identity and how we're showingup.
So it's the energy source andit's also feeling centered.

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So then all of a sudden you'rein that space, you're having
that conversation, you getturned on in terms of your
energy and you're centered andknow exactly what to say and
share.

And feel more anchored in my
identity and oh yeah, this iswho I am.
This is what I do.
The value I provide to theworld.

100%.
Okay, so I should bring in allthese other pieces.
So basically you have this fourpart, like you have these four
pieces of your chart that areall hanging out right next to
each other together.
In astrology, we call that astellium.
It's like this fusion thathappens between all of these
parts of you, they operate asone.

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It's like this super part of youso one we've talked about is
it's part of where your energycomes from, and you're feeling
centered.
So the other two that are inGemini.
In that same energy of one wayto get down to the basics of
what Gemini is so that we're notjust going off of like pop
astrology and whatever we'veheard, getting to the core of

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it,

that we all looked at when we were
growing up.

lauren-poppins-raye_1_10 (11:02):
right?
That put us in boxes, which isnot my way with astrology at
all.
I deliberately like to speakreally broadly at first in my
sessions, really almostungrounded, energetically, not
bringing in any specificsbecause each of these 12
archetypes are, taking theentire human experience,

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everything that ever was, is,and could be, and 12 boxes.
So like who am I to say whatthis part of you is for you
because you're the one that'slived it and fleshed it out with
details and so I like to startwith that really broad stroke
and then bring in the details ofit.
For you, you've got that Sun andGemini, which Gemini, so any of

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these archetypes, what we'relooking at is the four elements,
earth, air, fire and water andthree modes of movement, how
they express how they move andmanifest and the dynamic with
that movement, I like to thinkof as either our relationship
with the universe or therelationship between our inner
and outer worlds.

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And so we have the threemovements, which I don't love
the language around thesebecause they don't evoke much,
but most people have heard ofthem.
We have fixed, which is thatelement moving from out there
into us.
So it's the receptive quality ofthat element.
We have cardinal, which iswithin us.
projecting out into the world.
So it's this initiatory versionof that element.

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And then we have mutable, whichis this spiraled, momentum
dynamic between the two wherethey feed off of each other.
With Gemini, we're looking atthe air element, which is our
stories, our mind, our ideas,our perceptions, and the magic
that happens when we create thisexchange with us and another

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person.
Around that, right?
Okay.
So starting with basics.
So we've got that your son isthere.
What gives you energy and makesyou feel centered and creates
your sense of identity.
And again, in the seventh housewith other people.
So just amplifying that.
The other thing that is rightthere, just one degree from it
is your Chiron.
Which Chiron is the archetype ofthe wounded healer.

Yeah.

The process of going on your own
healing journey and how thatcreates your capacity to be able
to hold space for other peopleto go on theirs.
That was the other thing thatjust jumped out of your chart.
I'm like, of course, your workis around people's wounds.
Stories, Gemini, Chiron and theSeven Elves.

Yep.
That tracks.
Yeah.

The other piece here that's right
next to that is your North nodeand North node is one of the
coolest things to know aboutyour chart.
I could talk about this one allday, but the TLDR of it is that
you have your South node andyour North node.
Your south node opposite yournorth node is like what's really
comfortable and familiar foryou.

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It's you could do it with youreyes closed.
One way to think about it isit's your past life identity or
path that you were on.
Now this life, you are invitedto brave the other side, and to
start to retrain yourself, eventhough the south node is your,
Unconscious comfort zone.
If you're not being deliberate,you'll just end up there.

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Your north node, you really haveto know about it to implement
it.
And it's a choice that you maketo move in that direction.
And every step that you take inthat direction Is wildly
fulfilling.
Like it doesn't even make sense.
It's completely irrational.
And it just makes everythingelse flow better.
So for you, your North node inGemini is there as well.

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And this brings are reallyinteresting, so for with Chiron,
you have to walk that pathyourself before you are equipped
to support other people with it.
And I know that's a big part ofyour book and the story you're
telling.
You're like, Hey, I went therefirst, and this is how I help
other people now.
With the North Node, you're notthat great at it yet.
Like out the box, it feelsawkward.

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It feels like something youreally have to work at to be
able to embrace.
And it's not even aboutmastering it this life.
Like we don't master our Northnodes.
We just get closer and closer tothem.
And that's such a big piece ofthis for you.
Your son was there shining aflashlight.
Since you were born on the workthat you need to do around this,

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the healing that you need to doto be able to fully embrace that
direction of your destiny andbeing able to help other people.
Can you share more about thatdynamic, how every step that you
take in the direction of doingthis work yourself and being on
this path of healing continuesto open up what's possible in

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your support of your clients.
try, I try, 0

emily-june-wilcox_1_10 (15:55):
divinely guided.
So, when I was, Running theagency.
I was the CEO.
We still had our e commercebusiness kind of maintenance
mode on the side, but the agencywas what we were really focused
on and growing.
We had a team of people.
We were trending towards ourfirst seven figure year.
And if you had asked me is thisyour life's purpose?

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I never felt like it was.
I always felt like this is justwhat I'm meant to be doing right
now.
It feels correct, but it feelslike business school.
I'm just here these businesslessons that I need to learn and
I'm enjoying the process ofentrepreneurship, I never felt
really connected to it from asole mission perspective, if

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someone came and was like, Hey,I want to buy your agency for
the right price.
I would have been like, yeah,fine.
Go for it.
And essentially the way that Istarted getting into this
coaching work is it was the endof 2020 and so I was already
setting intentions for the newyear and one of the intentions I

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set was I want to be very, soulled in this coming year.
And so I had been meditating andthe mantra I had been using was
speak, and I will listen, lead,and I will follow.
And a friend and I and ourfamilies went to Sedona in
between Christmas and New Years,which is, very like spiritual

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and healing place.
And we booked to have these likeshamanic massages.
So we had someone come to ourAirbnb.
She did an awesome massage on meand then she gets to the part
where she's like channeling andthe stuff she's saying, it
wasn't landing for me.
I was like, Oh no, should I havejust booked the massage?

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Was not the right thing?
And as she's talking, then Ihear a voice.
That I can tell isn't my own.
And it says you need to take amonth off.
And my first reaction was, no, Idon't want to do that.
I'm already taking two weeksoff, for Christmas and New

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Year's and whatever.
And I'm traditionally have beensomeone who loves to just jump
right back into things that NewYear's energy, let's go.
So I didn't tell anyone and Ijust sat with it for a couple of
days to see if.
I think secretly hoping maybethat would go away, but it
didn't and so I told my husband.

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Hey Here's the deal.
I don't want to listen to this,but I also recognize that I've
literally been sitting inmeditation saying speak and I
will listen, lead and I willfollow, and this is what I
heard.
And so I feel like I have tolisten to it.
And so we put a plan in placefor me to step away.
And.

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Just check my email once a weekand here's who would be in
charge and that to that.
And story short, I thought thatwhat wanted to come through
during that four weeks was goingto be something to really help
the agency business.
And at first I was just feelingintuitively guided to cleaning
out my kitchen cupboards andstuff that seemed to make no

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sense.
But I'm like, okay, I'mlistening to it.
And all of this undoing because.
For years and years, I attachedall, a lot of my self worth to
my productivity and to what Icould do.
And here I was not feeling likeI was doing anything and not
feeling like I was contributing.
And my husband would come out ofour home office and walk into

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the kitchen to fill up hiswater.
And I could feel myself shrinkand feel self conscious that
here I am in the house.
Not really anything and so allof that was happening And then I
started to get little hints ofthings like the org chart needs
to be changed It needs to bethis and oh this is the

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financial model we need to beworking off of things here and
there but I wasn't feelingexcited about going back which
was so interesting Really?
All of this was preparing me tostep away Not to come back in.
And so, as that became moreclear, then we started working
on right sizing my role.

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And I was like, what about,okay, so, but what am I meant to
be doing?
it felt like coaching was thecorrect thing.
I'm like, okay I'm willing tolisten.
What am I supposed to becoaching on?
And I remember telling My bestfriend, I think it's supposed to
be money.
And her response was, duh.
Yes, that feels so obvious.

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But it felt scary for me to evensay that out loud to her,
because although we had thesetwo businesses that many people
would have considered quitesuccessful, I always felt like I
was still chasing money.
And that was still somethingthat I was.
Trying to crack the code on butI was just willing to listen.
And so, when you're talkingabout this.
North node journey having to gofirst.

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Like it really did feel scaryeach step of the way.
And it was like, Oh, okay, fine.
I'll do this one thing.
Fine.
I'll take four weeks off ofwork.
Fine.
I'll, start coaching and figureout what this even means.
And, I started a fresh Instagramaccount.

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With zero followers, because Ihad built all my businesses
without ever doing anything onsocial media.
So I was totally unpracticed andshowing up and speaking my
truth.
And the idea of trying to figureout what my truth was and say it
with someone on the other side.
Receiving it was too scary.
So I'm like, you know what, howabout this?

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How about I have zero followersand I just show up and say what
I want to say.
And let's just get good enoughat that and let it spread.
And

That's so good.

That's been it every step of the way,
the podcast, I was like.
If I'm gonna ask people to talkabout their money stuff, I gotta
talk about it first.
So, my first episode I'm justgonna lay it all out there.
And it's turned into this book,a business, helping hundreds,
thousands of people but Thatwould have seemed too big and

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scary initially.
So it has always just been thisone piece.
And if I can figure it out forme, I trust that it will help
other people too.
And that's how the business wasbuilt.

So good.
Everything that you weredescribing about that process of
stopping doing and just beingwilling to listen and receive
the guidance and how that wentagainst everything that you were
used to in how you showed up foryour business.
I heard your Pisces moon, woventhrough all of that.
And, when it comes to like doingyour moon, that's the kind of

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feminine component to thatsolar, drive and what gives you
your energy.
When you're doing your moon,when you're embodying that part
of you by your design, it helpsyou to feel supported.
And held and nourished andnurtured on your path forward,
whatever that is, but it's sucha big other part of what

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motivates us, because it's whatgives you the motivation to go
the long haul with it and staythe course.
And, it's there's the energyside, but there's the like.
What can I fall back intofeeling that and for you with
Pisces, it's so much listeningto that guidance, but it occurs
to me that, because that centerof your being is about That

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dynamic, that exchange, thatgiving and receiving and sharing
on both sides.
What I'm hearing is that part ofthe path you had to go on was
yes, opening up to thatguidance, but ultimately
creating a co creative dynamicwith spirit and your guides so
that you're getting a message,but then you have to be the one

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to go, Take the step one at atime that it gave you and act on
it.
And then you give that back.
And then spirits like, okay,here's the next instruction.
And it's very much this we'redoing it together, like stepping
away from that, you're thedriving force, but spirits, not
really driving either.
Like you guys have to find thatequilibrium of doing it together

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for it to nourish you in thatway and be your moon code.

Yeah.
I love that.
And it's still a work inprogress.
There are still times when I'llfeel out of balance or I'll
recognize it later.
That's cute.
Like I was just trying to befully in control again because
that on surface feels so muchmore comfortable to me.
Oh I get to be the one to makesure this outcome happens and

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I'll just it all on my back andI'll make sure, every piece of
it is in my power.
And then guess what, it's like,it doesn't work out that way.
And, Universe will come in witha reminder that we have to team
up and, maybe I'll master thatlesson and won't need the

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reminder at some point.
But thus far, It's a finetuning.
Sometimes we really are inbalance and then we get a little
out of balance and

well, the moon has its phases, right?
Like you're constantly cyclingaround whatever your
relationship to this is in anygiven moment throughout the
month or throughout thesedifferent phases.
The other thing that reallystood out to me about your story
is like, of course it's money.
Like when it came to thisknowing and like you got this
message and it was like, well,what's the angle, what's the

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direction, what's the focus.
Your Jupiter.
Is in your second house.
So one of the sessions that Ido, the cosmic cash code
session, we go really deeplyinto looking at this axis
between your second and eighthhouses.
It's like your money access.
The second house has your codesof earning

Okay.

house, your codes of investing.
In a reductive way, it's kind oflike.
your money versus other people'smoney when it comes to facing
those edges of either going intobusiness with people or, putting
your money in places that areoutside of your control to grow
it,

Yeah.

might be.
So another way to look at it isthe.
Second house is where your moneybeliefs live, your more intimate
and personal relationship withmoney your ideas of abundance
self worth all these kinds ofthings, eighth house is then
when we meet our edges with thatand we get triggered and tested
and are almost catapulted intocertain healing curves with it.

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So your second house, is yourhouse of money, the most
reductive way to say it, yourrelationship with money, your
Jupiter's there.
Wherever Jupiter is, is lucky.
That's the simple way to say it.
A deeper way to say it is thatthere's a lot of opening and
expansiveness in that realm.
That's the yes place for youwhere when you show up, when you

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say yes, when you trust, whenyou take leaps and open, it
works out for you.
People on the outside see thatas luck,

right?

For you, you are lucky with money.
And so of course, when it cameto how you're going to be able
to support other people, you'relike, well, This has always been
a lot easier for me than otherpeople.
Why don't I help people withthis?
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

emily-june-wilcox_1_10- (27:25):
because there was, There were definitely
a lot of times when it didn'tfeel easy.
And I talk about this in thebook, like some of that was
unhealed money wound stuff whereI felt like, oh, if it takes
time and it's hard and I had towork hard for it and people see
that I worked hard for it, thenonce I have the wealth, then
they won't judge me.

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So that's how that was allplaying into it.
And now I'm in a place whereit's like, great, I love that.
I so embrace that.
I'm lucky with money.

Let it be easy.

it's opening and expansive for me.

there's this other layer where it is in
Capricorn.
So part of what it means for youto say yes and lean in to open
up that expansive path withmoney is a lot of doing the
work, you know, so.

Yeah.

of paradox.
This is definitely a paradox ofyours.
It's like it's meant to be easy.
You're meant to be lucky, butbecause you put in the work,
just like you described it.

Mm.
Mm.

that I want to point to one of the
biggies around your relationshipwith money is your money mode.
I like to call it.
So we're looking at with thatmoney access, what is the
opening energy of those houses?
There are three money modes andyou have the mutable money mode.

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Again, I don't love the languageof those words.
They don't evoke much for me.
I like to relate it torelationship dynamics.
And we're looking at yourrelationship with money in this
case, but you are a mutablemoney mode, which makes you a
polyamorous when it comes to howyou make your money.
The difference is we've got thelifers, we've got the serial

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monogamous and we've got thepolyamorous.
So there are the people that arehere to find their way, find the
company, find the business orthe project, whatever it might
be.
And let that be the vehicle thattakes them the distance and
involve inside of it You are notthat by the way, I'm immutable
money mode too.
We are not that there are thepeople that are cardinal money

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modes, the serial monogamous.
They would get bored with thatlike we do, but they also don't
do well, juggling multiplethings at once.
That would scatter them, spreadthem thin.
so they're all about committingto what they're choosing in the
moment until it's clearly runits course and then closing that

(29:47):
and moving on to the next thing.
Mutable money mode people,however, like us.
Actually do best when we havemultiple things to bounce around
between.
And one of the ways that thatplays out is like you were
saying, you learned all thisstuff about business that will
get applied later.
It's like we learn things in onedirection that we can use in

(30:10):
other directions.
And part of the way that thatplays out is that we're able to
bounce between them and applysomething from here to over here
I'm curious, on your journey ofultimately creating three
successful businesses andabsolutely doing that juggle now
I find that often people withthis money mode are hard on
themselves.
Like in the beginning they thinkthat they're, you know, have

(30:33):
problems with commitment or aretoo scattered, like shiny object
syndrome.
There's all this judgment.
On what ultimately is just theway we're supposed to be with
the ways we make our money.
I'm curious for you, what thatjourney has been of ultimately
fully embracing that, havingmultiple plates spinning is the
way that you're meant to dobusiness.

think I've always liked the idea of
having multiple streams ofincome.
And, when I looked around at thepeople that were the most
successful, it seemed like thatwas the case.
it was harder to find exampleswhere it was just the one thing,

Mm hmm.

even the people who absolutely
crushed it in business.
So you could argue that that'stheir one thing.
But then when you look at whatthey did with their money, would
be invested in real estate andthese other things or they would
have it in stocks.
And so I was always, I don'tknow, I always felt drawn to the

(31:33):
idea of having more than onething.
And maybe part of that wassafety orientation

Mm

Just like almost having a hedge or
having like different thingsthat could Mitigate the risk of
something else.
But like you said, there's alsothe boredom factor as well and
That definitely can be true forme if it feels too linear and
too much like okay This is wayit will be until the end of

(32:01):
time.
That isn't interesting so I tendto be probably so far to the
extreme of Multiple multiplemultiple that I'm reeling myself
back in so maybe there's alittle bit of, I don't even know
that it's judgment, but it'sjust a push pull where I have to
be like, okay, that's maybe thebig vision or the five year

(32:24):
thing,

hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Mm

to build that?
but I'm super into real estateright now and, to me, it makes
perfect sense and it doesn'tfeel like a deviation at all
from what I'm doing.
It feels like the logical nextstep.
if I'm helping womenentrepreneurs, you know, make
more money in their businesses,well, what do I see as the

(32:50):
biggest drawback inentrepreneurship?
Okay, the way that most Womenwho are agency owners, coaches,
consultants, which is prettymuch all of my clients, the way
they have their business set up,the biggest drawback is that if
they can't or don't want to beactively involved at some point,

(33:10):
it's a huge problem.
It's a very active way of makingmoney, which awesome.
Typically what we do is we gofrom an active way of making
money that we don't like anactive way of making money that
we do like.
And

hmm.

feels, you know, freeing and awesome.
But if we're not building insome buffer for life to happen,

Mm hmm.

then that can be problematic.
And like, I've seen it in my owncommunity.
Like I saw a woman who is acoach and her husband.
Went through a quick bout withcancer and died and they've got
two young kids.
And it's like, is she stillsupposed to show up and try and
sell her coaching packages right

Right.

But if she doesn't, then there's no
money, you

Yeah.

and you know, We can give myriad
examples, but regardless.
So like, to me, real estate isthis obvious next step.

Mm hmm.

Then I get so into the ways of doing
it that are like tax beneficialso you don't even have to come
up with more money to do ityou're just reallocating money
that would otherwise go to

Mm hmm.

and putting it into

Mm hmm.

income and That is lighting me up and
is super interesting to me andfeels like it's all part of this
mission But to people who aren'tthis money mode The lifers would
be like, wow, okay.
She's got a lot going on overthere.
and I guess they do, but to me,I like it that way.
And it seems so obvious and Ijust can't imagine it any other

(34:40):
way.

This is all early Gemini.
So you have Venus there inTaurus also with everything else
and that's your descendant.
So you're rising is Scorpio onthe other side, its opposite is
Taurus.
And so when it comes to, again,like how you help other people
descendant is the other side ofthe mirror, Venus, we're talking

(35:08):
about both how you relate withother people in your work.
but also what your codes ofreceiving are.
So this is a big one as well isyour Venus.
I like to think of it like we'veprobably all heard of the love
languages, the five lovelanguages.
I think there's actually a lotmore than five, but The other
way to break it down and make itmore nuanced is often we have

(35:29):
different love languages for howwe receive love ideally, and how
we give love

Yeah.

lauren-poppins-raye_1_10-07-2 (35:35):
a lot of times those are
different, right?
So with Venus, it's more lookingat your codes for receiving
love.
And then of course love ismoney, right?
Like the way that we open toreceive more money.
So for you that is in Taurus.
Which the way that you weredescribing the value of setting
up passive income streams is soTaurus,

Yeah.

all about having that secure and
safe and peaceful relationshipwith money

Yeah.

you eliminate the worry and fixating
on it.
Because you know that you've setup streams that are going to
come to you regardless.
And so you can just relax andtrust and receive.
And so not surprising that foryou, that is feeling like the
absolute next move.
You're like, well, I clearedwhat was in the way.

(36:26):
Now let's actually create thestructures that support, a lived
experience of that new realitywhere I'm not constantly
thinking about or worrying aboutit because I actually don't have
to, there's actual things thatI've set up in place.

Yeah.
1000%.
That's my money.
Love language.
Even as you were saying it, I'mlike, yes.
Doesn't everyone want this?
Yeah.

right?
There's people that have theopposite.
Some people are going to have,Venus in Scorpio, where what
really opens them to receive ismore of those big cycles and
knowing that going deep anddoing the work is gonna open up
what's possible on the otherside.
and then we're going to go backin like the edges of the wheel

(37:10):
versus Taurus is like actually,I'd like to just chill out at
the center if that's okay.
And just like, know that I Canjust be at peace And that
everything is under control.

Yeah.
I mean, it makes sense.
I see it even, you know, in thecoaching industry with other
people who talk about moneywhere, the way that it feels to
me energetically is like they'reon a money rollercoaster.

Right, exactly.

No thank you.

Well, and so what's interesting there,
though, is you.
and I are both Scorpio risings.
There is a place for that in ourlives, which is more around our
own process with our identity

Mmm,

lauren-poppins-raye_ (37:46):
constantly be tuning into, what are we
letting go?
How are we transforming how weknow ourselves and how we show
up to the world?
And so what we're magnetizing,but not when it comes to.
How we receive money, theexample that we're, being for
other people.
There are two opposites.
It's like a yin yang, right?
They work together, but

yeah.

lauren-poppins-raye_1_ (38:07):
exactly.
Okay.
I have a question.
that is a curiosity that's comeup for me around familiarizing
myself with these six moneywounds and knowing that you've
worked with lots of women aroundthem.
So Because you're specificallyworking with women and
empowering them in their selfemployed ventures, usually,
shifting their relationship withmoney inside of the vehicle of

(38:30):
their business.
That is also their vehicle forgrowth and transformation, I'm
curious about the witch wound.

Mmm,

that fits in.
If that's more of an umbrellathing that you see kind of creep
into all of these six when itcomes to money or where that's
placed around your research andexpertise around these wounds
that women are moving through.
Mm-hmm

Yeah, I mean, I, don't know that I've
seen it specific to money.
However, it certainly shows upin mastermind spaces and
collaborative spaces with women.
And so that's where it tends tobe a little bit more in the
forefront for me.
as a coach and a facilitator isgiving women's spaces to learn

(39:17):
to really trust each other andhave each other's back and often
the women in my mastermindsWe'll end up collaborating or
hiring each other for differentservices and it can be healing
for us to have thoserelationships where it truly
feels like wow she does she'snot secretly trying to compete

(39:38):
with me she actually reallywants me to succeed and she
wants to hire me and like,

Mm-hmm

we just Unfortunately haven't
always had those you know, men,of the way that they're oriented
toward wealth often is throughjoint ventures and
collaborations and networkingand can I help you and you can

(40:07):
help me and they tend to have apretty clean energy around that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
with women, it's like, we've gota couple steps to go through
before we can get there.
first that doesn't safe or evenpossible.
the craziest thing about that isour natural orientation.

(40:28):
Like the lioness who hunts.
when she brings the food, shemakes sure the whole tribe is
fed.
Whereas the lion would just eatand make sure he's taken care
of.
And so there is this realnurturing and community
orientation to women that islike kind of a biological

(40:50):
superpower.
And so I think it's this reallysad thing about the witch wound.
makes it even worse than italready would be is it's taken
the thing that is our naturalsuperpower and turned it against
us and, I think there are manyconspiracies around that, like
that that was the entire point,To subdue the feminine power.

(41:15):
and it worked.
And, now we're in an age whereit all needs to come back into
balance.
And so in order for it to bebalanced, we need the rise of
the feminine energy and healingthe witch wound and putting
ourselves into spaces where wecan really be held by other
women and uplifted by otherwomen is, a really beautiful and

(41:35):
important part of that.

lauren-poppins-raye_1_10-07-2 (41:37):
I love that.
And I feel like.
You know, showing people the wayto walk the path of healing
their money, moons, moneywounds, Freudian slip um, is
like an access point to that.
Because the whole thing wastaking the power away from
women.
And when each woman individuallyis able to recognize and move

(41:58):
through her own stuff, that's inthe way of her personal power,
she's then able to lean into.
spaces with other women that aredoing the same.
Whereas you said the whole thingis to become powerful together
and that that is absolutely thefeminine principle is
togetherness and, um, overcompetition.
I love that.

(42:19):
I want to bring one more piecein here of your chart that first
I want to ask you if you're evenaware of this is one that I love
to bring into sessions becausemost people don't know this
about themselves.
No software or app that I'maware of.
that pulls astrology chart showsyou this.
And in my opinion, it's the mostenergetically loud part of any

(42:40):
moment.
And so of course it had a hugepart of the imprint on each of
us when we took our first breaththat became our birth chart.
And that is the phase the moonwas in.
Do you know what phase you werein?
The moon was in when you wereborn?
Yeah.
So, right.
From day to day, like you'd haveto look up.
An app to see what's going onastrologically in the sky, but

(43:02):
not with the moon phase.
And like, even people that don'tpay attention to this stuff,
know the difference between whatit feels like on a new moon or a
full moon, right?
like we feel so much moreenergetically inward.
Things are just kind of quieterduring the new moon, full moon,
the werewolves are out, peopleare acting crazy.
There's just like so much moreenergy and chaos.

(43:24):
Um, and.

on a full moon, and they say I
think it's like 15 percent morebirths or whatever happen on a
full moon

When the energy is moving, for sure.
So it's really interesting toknow what phase we were born
under because that is basicallyour energetic home base,

Oh, interesting.

like what your time of the month is
to know that that's kind ofyour, you know, home reset
before you go around the wheelagain.
but also just to knowqualitatively and energetically,
like what that part of the cycleis that feels like home to you
because, you know, this cycle ofenergy waxing and waning is
something that plays out allover the place,

Okay.
I'm so curious

right?
So you were born during a waningcrescent moon.

Okay.

it was on its way back to new.
It was after the, last quarter,which I call the half waning,
another one where I'm like, thatdoesn't evoke anything for me.
The moon is half its size.
Um, so it's after we get pastthat kind of tension, of
reflection.
So we've had the full moon, Youknow, everything popped off.

(44:35):
Things start to settle.
And then we have that moment ofkind of like reconciling with
our beliefs and our inner world,whatever that new information
and there's no, those newexperiences are Yeah.
right past that or now we'relike, okay, homestretch back to
everything, dissolving back tonothingness, letting this whole
cycle go and starting to feelthe tendrils connect with like,

(44:59):
Ooh, what are my next intentionsgoing to be?
Like, Nearing that reset again.

Um,

firstly, I'm curious, just knowing that
part of the cycle has that beena time for you that historically
you've noticed there's an extralike exhale that happens for you
as we near the new moon eachmonth.

it's funny because when you did the
context, I was like, what phaseam I going to be?
And I was like, I'm pretty sureit's not going to be?
full moon or new moon.
And then I was like, okay, is itgoing to be waxing or waning?
Cause I'm like I, I really likeaspects of both like the
starting new, but I also lovethe get shit done.
like completing the things thatyou've already started

Mm hmm.

the waning.
But I hate, that part of theluteal phase, which is, you
know, also connected to thewaning mood where you just like
question everything.
And

Mm hmm.

so I was like what is it going to
be?
And then when you said, It'swaning, but It's past that like
question everything

Mm hmm.
100%.

good.

Yeah.
So for me, it's right after thefull moon and same thing.
Like, I know that that's myplace because I get that relief.
I'm like, Oh, thank God we'renot there anymore.
Just like you do for the halfwaning.
Totally.
So what that is for you is like,basically when we're at that
waning crescent, We are, likeyou said, wrapping things up,

(46:27):
checking things off our to dolist, feeling a sense of closure
around everything thattranspired during the cycle.
There's also this pulling awayfrom the world and retreating
back into our inner world.
So when it comes to yourconnection to what's beyond the
veil, like this greater knowingthat you have beyond time and

(46:48):
space, your connection to thevoid and everything that's
possible, you have a specialconnection to that because you
were born at a time when thewhole world was energetically
leaning into that.
So you have like a lean intothat space as part of your
design.

That's so cool.
I love that.

Yeah, it's cool.
to know when your cosmic time ofthe month is.
It's a time when you're the mostnaturally grounded and
resourced.

Hmm.

it's cool to know like if there are
things that are feelingparticularly daunting or you're
like, uh, Schedule them for thattime.
Well, I mean, there's obviouslya lot of factors cause that's
always an inward time.
So it kind of depends, but yeah,it's a good time.
maybe to have conversations thathave felt sticky cause you're
going to be at your mostcentered and grounded when it
comes to the, the waves of thetides of the moon phases.

(47:38):
Yeah,

that naturally unfolds that way for
me, where there will be thingsthat have been kind of like on
my to do list that I haven'tfelt any yes energy towards.
So they've just been sittingthere.
then all of a sudden when it'sin that phase, it's like, I'll
look at that same thing, Thatyou could say I've been

(48:02):
avoiding, I just won't do ituntil it feels like a yes to do.
And all of a sudden it's like,oh yeah, sure, let me take care
of that.
And it's like, it's effortlessAnd it's easy, but it wasn't
until that very moment.

so it's a cool thing to know also
around like some of the moregrueling work around our healing
process, or like you said,anything that we might be
avoiding, that's a time to likecircle back to those things and
be like, now, isn't it a yesnow?
Well, thank you so much.
It was Such a pleasure gettingto look at your work in the
world and how you got to bewhere you are now through the

(48:42):
lens of your astrology chart.
And for our listeners, where canpeople learn more about that
work and find out about thosesix money wounds and your new
book and everything that you're

yeah.
So if you go to emilywilcox.
um, you can click to take thefree money wounds quiz and find
out which money wounds arestrongest for you.
there's also a link there to buythe book.
The book is called Wounds toWealth.
you can also look it up onAmazon and there's Paperback,
ebook, or audiobook that I selfnarrated.

(49:17):
So, if you're into that, I canbe in your headphones.
and then find me on social mediaat emmakesmoney or search Emily
June Wilcox and come hang out.
I share a lot of free resources,including the podcast, through
my social media.

perfect.
All those links will be in theshow notes.
And thank you so much, Emily.
It was such a pleasure to haveyou today.

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