BREAKDOWN- SHAKEDOWN: INHERENT VICE

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We'll be your pilot and navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused
journey into the mind of this particular garbage can dude,
And I'm not gonna lie to you, folks of the interwebs.
Got a real barnburner here on deck free all tonight
and a cult and or s O Teret review of

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the twenty fourteen cinematic masterpiece Inherent Wece based upon the
Thomas Pinchot novel Novell novel Novell novel both an interesting characters,
Pinchon and the man who directed the film, Paul Thomas Anderson.
And in regards to tonight's discussion, probably a lot of

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occult n ESO terrorism around both of those characters, just
looking at you know, a review of their past and
whatnot and their other projects. So, without any further ado,
folks of interwebs, I thank you all again for joining
me here tonight to get Little GCD. We'll welcome in
or here our guests. We got Austin Waite Picard, Welcome
back to Operation GCD.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Sir, what's up?

Speaker 6 (02:27):
Brother?

Speaker 7 (02:27):
Thanks for having me man, You already know how much
I appreciate you do it. Every time we talk, I
learn a lot. So I'm eager to hear just you know,
pick the brain of not only you, but also the
other two guests, because I'm certainly excited just to definitely
workshop ideas in terms of the various just one layered

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applications to so many of the different real you know,
live scandalous events throughout history, especially more recently in modern history.
But the era that inherent vice covers, I think is
very important. So I'm eager to kind of discuss some
of that, right, I think your spot onsor and I
learned a lot from you as well.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
In fact, I was catching your already Dead show last
night and I like where your brain holes that in
regard as the mc martin school, where you know, all
the evidence suggests that school was put on top of
an existing tunnel operation.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
The tunnels were first then the school, right exactly.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
Yeah, it was like an old money scion family too
that was involved, uh with that had intelligence connections in
their background as well.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Big time, dude, big time. It's crazy to me. You know,
it's never ending. Thanks again for joining me here tonight, Austin.
Way for card to get a little GCD. You're the
host of the Underclass podcast Already Dead. You do another
one with saying Tripoli that I've yet to follow up
on a catch but you're you're busy, man. Did you
have any other plugs you'd like to you like to
share with the folks with.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Earwhebs man that that basically covers it all, honestly, just
check out the Underclass podcast and uh and yeah, you
enjoy anything you hear or anything I've ever done resonates
with you. Best place to support me is always the patron.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yes, sir, and I got your links in the show
notes all ready for folks to check out. And our
other guest here tonight, the Cosmic Peach is Julie the
Cosmic Peach and not Bill Colby, the host of Conspiracy Playtime,
and welcome back to Operation g You sir, and welcome
back to Operation GCD for your first time, ma'am.

Speaker 8 (04:25):
I'm actually known as the Cosmic Pair for some reason.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
You all are starting your own little cosmic fruit guards.

Speaker 8 (04:32):
I have a little pair of shaped gotcha.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Absolutely, thank you all for joining us here tonight for
this film review. I know we've briefly mentioned in the past.
I know Austin had mentioned to me before this is
one of his favorite films, and so did not Bill Colby,
And I know Julia you had mentioned that you were
a big fan of this film as well, and you
know I deeply it's one of my favorite films. In fact,
it's one of the last films I've seen in the
theaters where I was didn't really feel disappointed. Right, there's

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a lot of since twenty fourteen. There's a lot of
disappointments from Hollywood, but this was a good story, solid,
you know, great directing, you know, great story to base
it off of, et cetera, because there is variations between
the screenplay and the book. But you know, I really
personally though, I connect to this level or this film
and like a you in the book for that matter,

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and more of a molecular level. I joke because it's
a private investigator who loves the smoke pot and solved mysteries,
and that's kind of a lot.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
So that's man, that is too funny, honestly.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
But I do agree with your statement before they're awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I made that this period of time covered in the
storyline here Tonight's film is a very integral time in
America's America's history is a turning point of you will
to our modern day society agreed, the late sixties, early
seventies one hundred percent. I think that really the entire
situation behind the plot, as far as the layered conspiracy

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involved with the plot itself all throughout in terms of
the Golden Fang enterprise, It's very interesting how you see
this yeah overarching enterprise, the criminal enterprise playing out in
more ways than one, which perfectly represents how these insane
underground networks that are so well established at such a

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sophisticated level. I think it was really post World War Two, right,
the Gladio Stay Behind networks and the rat lines that
were effectively, you know, kind of implemented, and you had,
of course paper Clip. But I think that the trauma
based mind control followed in a certain way, but as
far as being prioritized. But still it's not as if

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it wasn't already a priority. But I think it was
just sort of the sinister nature of what it became.
But still every level within this plot, it essentially is
just drug trafficking, you know, arms smuggling at a certain degree,
there's there's the pharmaceutical nature of running this cult sort

(07:05):
of running and right, and then we got colts, we
got mind control, we got the rehab centers. I mean,
what you're describing is what you're what you're describing is
the operation Gladio Stay Behind, drug trafficking, Uh, you know,
murder inc.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
You know, enterprises. I think he's on it. It's all
covered in here.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
It's all focuses around the Manson story and it's taking
place at the time of the Manson trials. That's the
storyline is going on. And they reference the Manson stuff
throughout here, and there's so much Manson lore and whatnot
embedded throughout this film because I've been a big I've
been on the Manson trail for about fifteen years now,
long before I found out Old Charlie and I were
both you know, we were ken folks from Pikeville, Kentucky,

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you know, McCoy's and Mainards that is.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
But what we're describing is what I like to call
Colby's queers.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Not not this Colby, Bill Colby and his stay behind network,
and not a commentary on their sexual preferences, but the
strange and almallest nature that these psychological operations and military
operations have left in our society, with you know, the
you know, the confluence of these events with the mafia, military, spooks,
drug trafficking.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
We see it all here in the Colts. So it
is a very interesting story in the Guard.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
Yeah, the Arian Brotherhood, you have the like, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, dude, I forgot about that. Yep, yep.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
Yet not only were they running security, but they're helping
with you know, really every level of the operation, you know,
targeted assassinations were being you know conducted. Basically one of
them was a Cohen intel pro operative that was essentially
being hired by the FEDS to commit targeted assassinations in
political executions. I mean, it's crazy to me. But also

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you brought up Charles Manson how much is layered in
throughout this the same thing with with of course, like
what I thought of was the role of the Brotherhood
of Eternal Love, the biker gang involved at the Ultimat
festival and how they essentially were there providing was it
Ronald Stark or something was his name that that was

(09:06):
basically claimed that he he said that he was essentially
he provided pace slips from Langley, that he was he
was smuggling all of this LSD and this Orange Sunshine
acid on behalf of the actual CIA right all throughout
the sixties is what he was claiming. But anyway, just

(09:28):
completely to me that being introduced to the general population
as far as like orange Sunshine acid, like having these
very unique and you know, just unique qualities in terms
of the chemical compound itself and then being distributed by
what the authorities were referring to as the hippie mafia, right,

(09:50):
which was it was. It's just it is all layered
throughout this plot in a way that I think the
average person sort of misses, especially on like first viewing,
you know what I mean, They're not big.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
I've talked a lot of folks that are familiar with
these narratives and conspiracy culture we're describing. You've seen this film,
and they don't pick up a lot. And I'm not
diminishing their few points, but it is it is deeply
embedded in this film and even myself, I've watched it
literally one hundred plus times, you know, and I continue
to pick up on little parts and pieces here and
there because my my knowledge of these subjects also evolved.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
So I did.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I did a review of this in the Cult and
Orreesso Terror review my first one film review, I think
with Recluse at the Forum on this film. He's a
big fan of it as well. Did that about two
and a half years ago. So I've evolved with a
lot of my viewpoints on these subject matters even in
that time. So you know, I think it is important
to note that even seeing it once, like you're saying,
and watching it over again, you know, with a new

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lenser perspective. I think it is. It's interesting what you
pick up on this film. It is that layered and deep.
But before we go any further here tonight's festivities and
film reviews, do you all have anything you working on
over their conspiracy play time or causing Peach, I know
y'all are oftentimes just as busy there as mister Austin
wait Percard as far as show.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Talking content over your introduction, guys, I didn't mean to
do that.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You're good.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
That's the way it goes. Introductions can go all over
the place, right.

Speaker 9 (11:24):
We actually are kind of working on something together right now, Combo, Yeah,
Peach and Pair.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
It's a three part series. Do you want to talk
about it because I talked about it last time.

Speaker 10 (11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:41):
It's just focused on mental illness and the history of
different perspectives on it culturally throughout time, and then of
course tying in all the MK culture stuff pharmaceuticals, and
then I think in the third episode we'll talk about
the pop culture element. You know, one Flee over the

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Cuckoo's Nest, all of it American horror story.

Speaker 9 (12:07):
Yeah, I'm excited about that one. But I'm probably gonna
be taking a couple of weeks off here soon, so
we decided to do one last little uh series together,
kick off maternity.

Speaker 8 (12:20):
Yeah, she says, take a couple of weeks off. I'm
kind of laughing about that.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
What you don't think I can?

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Oh, I think we're gonna take more off.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh I was gonna say that. I at least need
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah, over conspiracy playtime. I've got so many episodes backlogged
that it's hard to keep up with. But yeah, trying
to be consistent with it got real political lately with
all the you know, technocracy stuff. But hopefully I'm gonna
swing it back to the funner topics.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I yeah like that, like Murder and Colts, like we
did on that, It's win raised cold. That was a
real born burner. I appreciate your own loaded me on
that conversation.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
Yeah, have you released that yet? I'm just curious because
I somebody did you did?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
I think yeah, right around the same time Julie did there. Yeah,
I'm a lot of rave reviews.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Oh good. Yeah, that was a fun episode, especially since
it's a cult local to us that it was operating.
I'm sure, some people I know were doing d MT
with those folks up in the mountains, and yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Well for sure I had time. Spread Oh go ahead, Julia,
I followed this good.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Oh, no, you're fine.

Speaker 9 (13:35):
I was just gonna say I had a good time
doing the Twins review too. So I always like to
jump on for movies. I think it's fun, and this
one actually was one that Colby was like, oh, you
have to watch it, and I was like, it looks
super lame. I don't watch it, and then you know,
I at the end of it, I was just kind
of like, what the fuck did I just watch? Because

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it's told from like walking perspective, I guess, and so.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I was like, I don't know what I just saw,
Like what what?

Speaker 9 (14:08):
And then he explained it to me, and then I
watched it again, and then I was in the middle
of watching it right before we jumped on. And there's
so many like little hidden things. You can't just watch
it one time. You have to watch it a couple times.
The first time I watched it, it felt disjointed and
it felt like, what is.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
This a dream he's having? You know?

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I felt the same way.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
And I've heard that common review because you get that,
you know, you have that in the book. You have
a narrator and you have a friend, and then they
mashed a narrator and the friend together. So sometimes you
see her. Sometimes she's real and sometimes she's not. But
it also plays, I think, into that trippy nature of
the entire film in that respect.

Speaker 9 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, this was a really cool one. I'm
glad you picked this one. Kolbe will be able to
offer up more than even I can, but it was
a movie.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
I'm excited to do this.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
If I may just offer a couple of quick plugs
here for Operation GCD. I got coming up some uh
some other barn burners here this week.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Somewhere I got them. Maybe not. Oh there it is.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Got Anatomy as Satantic Panic Tomorrow night, nine point fifteen
pm Eastern Sander Times. Going over that Phase three portion
of the propaganda unpacking, sort of the framework there with
the Landing report, how Oprah Winfrey gets involved and so
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mine more patterned of behavior and operations there from holding
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Speaker 5 (15:33):
I like to make it. I like to make him
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Speaker 4 (15:36):
You know, he's got a litle bit more teeth going on,
the more blood popping off on his uniform, you know
what I mean, deserves it for sure.

Speaker 8 (15:44):
He needs more eyebrow.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
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Zizzians invade Vermont. Somebody trans Apocalypse, Silicon Valley based AI
focused rationalist vegan homicidal death cult. They're still out in

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about no worries. In fact, literally literally the Process church
that their attorney to get helped the leader of that
cult fake his death before they went on their murder
spree is literally part of the Neoork Process and bandmates
with Boyd Rice, major figure in the Neo Process. Church
of Satan ard Nazi Satan is Nazi type Tracy Twyman's

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old mentor. Right, every time I mentioned that, folks, you
seem to think I'm talking trust, I'm just sick calls
them house the season.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Sat in the facts.

Speaker 7 (16:38):
But yeah, what are your thoughts on Tracy Twinement, because
I just said, yeah, a lot of thoughts.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
On that too.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Okay, we'll talk about that time. Yeah, well, yeah, happy
to share them.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I shared a lot of them when I was unpacking
some of the ideas around this, the uh, the framework
of the Satanic panic propaganda. There was a real Satanic
panic in the media, right, organized, well organized, well financed,
in order to you know, deter folks from trust in
their own census, you know, up with mikey Akina was
a Star Wars fan fiction writer, so I often describe

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it as he's doing like a Jedi mind trick on folks.
These are not the Satanis you're looking for, right.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
Yeah, I mean that's that's one hundred percent what they
did and what what it. It was hilarious because I
remember covering it around the time that I did the
Finders episode, which really plunged me into the sort of
more state sponsored child sex trafficking networks that are legitimately uh,
you know, credible, and you can you can go through
the documents and legitimately see the evidence that was you know,

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presented by the United States Customs Agent Ramond J. Martinez,
and and uh, it becomes undeniable, and it also becomes
very evident why they sort of derailed his career path
and and because he remained at least grounded within fundamental
basic principles and ethics in terms of abusing children, right

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and refusing to remain silent, but then also realizing that
maybe his own well being was at stake, so potentially
he should just like remain silent in terms of media appearances.
But either way, it's fascinating to see how they used
the Satanic panic, which to me is just another manufactured,
you know, misconception, right.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Oh for sure, Now your spot onster, you are spot on,
and i'll if I may at a response to your
statement and provide your response at Tracy Twyman Common as.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Well, sir.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Also Real Quick Fridays at nine to fifteen pm Eastern
Saint Times here with my weekly roundtable on conspiracy culture
and high weirdness with Tim, host of a sixth century podcast.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
So that'll be a real barn burner as well.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
But now you're spot on there Austin, so QAnon and
Pizzagate respond off as the next the next version of
this Satanic panic and literally orchestrated by Paul Valet you know,
which is a keynote boss who wrote the SIPs of
Mind where General Vallet's on Fox News pushing a lot
of these kind across the media and his shit old
General Flynn there and in regards to so that's intriguing.

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And then of course you see Tracy Twyman on the
front end of that. She's on the tip of the
spear with pushing that stuff. She even seems to have
started her own little Q and on operation called in
and On or something like that. I did a show
in a couple weeks ago on my Thursdays. I included it.
But she so this is this is kind of my
broad perspective on her. So she she parts ways officially

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allegedly with Boyd Rice and the Devout Satan's Nazzi Fella,
the guy who invented industrial rock, another one of his proteges,
you know, along with Genesis Peorich and almost exclusively processed
Church movement, none of you know, between him and Peorch
and then their underlinger, their protege Trent Reznor and Marilyn
Manson there would record their first albums in the Tate

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Polanski death House in the studio in the angeleand Pig Studio,
so that it's a little too on the nose for it, right,
But she parts way as a fish to the Boyd
Rice in December of twenty or two thousand and four.
So in January of two thousand and two, Tracy Twin
publishes an article about sexual Satanic ritual abuse in Hustler
magazine where she's naming, literally naming Larry Flint in that

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piece has been president. And I'm not saying it's not true,
but what I'm saying is the idea you're publishing that
in Larry French's publication is a little silly.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
So that's two.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Thousand and two. She breaks no mentions of the current
this is all old shit, no mentions of the current shit,
despite her being really good friends with the major player
in the neo process in Church of Satan, Boyd Rice,
her co author and mentor, so they part ways two
thousand and four. Well, in two thousand and eight she
publishes that a longer version of that article from the
Hustler magazine, and a book in two thousand and eight

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about mind control. Still no mention of Boyd Rice or
any of these other new Satanists or process folks, and
she hasn't really changed her mind on anything. And then
after that she's booking neo processment folks like Al Jorgensen
on Clyde Lewis the show, right, and Clyde Lewis, again,
this is something he told me. He didn't say neo process.
He just said she booked Al Jorgenson. So, well that's

(21:10):
a major neo process figure and he he, you know,
he well again I can go full process. I won't
do that, but say what I'm saying there is then
she starts writing books about Baphomet. No mention of Doug,
you know, Lucy and Greaves. In twenty twelve, he starts
doing his national tour with the Satanic Temple. He runs
the process dot org website. He attacks Satanic ritual abuse

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victims through the false memory syndrome. Spychiatrist. Right, it's all
the same network, you know, scumbags in my opinion. But
and I'm not speaking them that. I'm just saying folks
like Lucy and Greeds and whatnot there but the propaganda's play,
you know, in the control of opposition. They seem to
have a purpose for somebody like like Tracy who's writing
books about Baha Met and not mentioning Doug the Satanic

(21:52):
temple Bafomet and you know, loos and greaves and all
that stuff. And I'm like, well, and now I asked
her that question. These are things I brought up to her.
I'm being you know, candid here. I probably to her
when our discussions and our communications minding her so, you know,
like because she was attacking the Templar and Santael's baft mists,
I'm like, what about these guys? And then I look
more to that there Rynan process dot Org. He's a

(22:13):
he's a false memory guy from Harvard spychiatrist. I mean,
and like, you're not writing about their baffro mat stuff
right right, and you're telling me all this templars. I
was just literally reciting the Vaticans playbook.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Again.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
I don't want to get too far down that rabbit hole,
but that is kind of my thoughts on these matters.
When we look at a lot of these things in
conspiracy culture, Manson included. He's a major figure as far
as venerated amongst amongst the Nazi Satanist crowd, like Boyd Rice,
who did the Manson Chronicles with Nicholas Shrek. So you know,
these are these are things that when there's a subculture
today that still venerates a lot of these principles that

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we see here within that that movement, and going back
to those film, you know that Manson. You can't separate
Manson in the process. Folks try to like Tom O'Neil, but.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
They're not. They're not being honest, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
Yeah, No, they're absolutely not. And there's I mean to me,
it seems as if they were using the same alias, right,
isn't that what what Charles Manson claimed himself, which is
so ridiculous that you had like individual process members who
were at the authoritative level as far as the leadership level,
had had allegedly went that traveled from Boston and met

(23:21):
with what's his name? Uh, the dude that that had
the falling out with with Tom O'Neill right later on,
uh ship what's his name? Dammit? Just as far as
the individual prosecutor, I believe, but hold on, let me
pull that. Yeah, dude, I didn't. I was going to say, Bela.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
Lagosi Bela is dead.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
We that is so funny.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Oh, by the way, I think we see the back
of these of this of the spook operations there in
the cover up of these narratives today with Tom O'Neill,
you know ed Sanders pegged him as a spook, you know,
you know, over a decade ago when he's working on
this twenty year volume of the Manson story right like
in Sanders files, like he wanted nothing to do with
Tom O'Neill, you know what I mean, he's a wise man,

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that's Sanders.

Speaker 8 (24:15):
Well, Tom O'Neill went on Joe Rogan show to plug
that book. Rogan hadn't even finished fucking reading it yet,
and you can tell, like, Okay, as soon as somebody's
on that podcast, my haunches go up, and then you
see like Danny Doudaw's stuff that she's been uncovering about
Tom O'Neill. It's just like, fuck, I liked that book
a lot. Yeah, because it did give us new ship,

(24:40):
no doubt about that, but absolutely crumbs away from like
the process shit that you're talking about.

Speaker 9 (24:49):
Isn't there something a guy with like a pew vest
or is that Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
No, no, that's strangely enough, his name is Bill Vance
with Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
No, no, not I checked it out. Not his birthday.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
But it is strange while he took the name of
the pseudonym surnamed Vance, I'm very confused with that still
to this day, of who he knew in which to
take that name, I'm very curious, but I've yet to
find out that answer.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
But no, it's not his given name. But he didn't.
There's a lot of characters loved him, love he made.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
He made an entire vest, his motorcycle vest was made
out of pubes.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh my god, you.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Never went to prison?

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Uh do you do you remember thrash? He told me
about the pub best. He said it was in Chaos
and I was like, really, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
I first read about it, and Adam go rightly, he's
the shadow over Santa Susannah.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
I believe.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
Okay, very interesting, which is a good book.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
It's not, it's not you know again, you much like
Tom O'Neal, I don't throw the baby out with the bathtub.
Tom O'Neill does present a lot of good evidence about
the Operation Chaos, and I think that's important to understand
these components of Charlie was playing so many different sides.
I think he was an agent for a lot of
different people and we see that exemplified in this film,
in fact with Owen Wilson's character. But before we do that,

(26:20):
let's let's describe the film tonight. Say we got Jacquin
Phoenix in her advice is a private investigator in Serra
nineteen seventy There writers at seventy one. They tell you
the beginning of the film is seventy right, Gordiina Beach, right,
which is kind of a it's kind of a fake
Santa Monica, I think, right, I mean, you're you're an.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
Ass supposed to Yeah, it's supposed to be in Manhattan
Beach because I believe that was where the author was
living when he wrote the book, and so he kind
of modeled it after Manhattan Beach, which, by the way,
Manhattan Beach the mc martin preschool, anyone doesn't ring a bell, right,
Like that is legitimately where that major skin it all

(27:00):
takes place. So it's not at all surprising to me
that that would have been the location, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Sure, yeah, No, that's a that's a great point, and
and that's one of the things I found intriguing about this.
But me, uh, just bringing y'all's attention to mister, not
an actual Vance.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
He looks like seeing his face, he actually looks like
a guy who would wear a pube vest right.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
In line up.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
Probably few vests like he's probably this makes so much
more sense.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
So he he so many things about Charlie are misunderstood.
For for a period of time there he was running
a quote unquote modeling agency on the Sunset Strip.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
And old Bill Van you know Bill Vance. What's that, sir?

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Do you know the name of it? I'm just curious.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
It was Stars Talent Agency. Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Interesting, he was running as as I got out a
Terminal Island there when he when he linked up with
I'm digging deep my brain hole for some Manson lower Kaufman,
the music producer that got him linked up with the
Beach Boys. That was his cell made at Terminal Island.
He got him linked up, was running some ladies there
and Bill Van Sickle was doing one recruiting from strip clubs,

(28:19):
him and his pew Best. Interesting, so you know some
of the ladies in the Manson grouve got linked up
in there because of he was the recruiter right there.
He doesn't get described much. He's never done any prison
time for the Manson crimes, right major f.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
I know it was, Yeah, Charlie legitimately said as far
as what was it, the Robert Moore was the alias
that Robert Grimston allegedly went by, right. So that was
another firm process connection that always blew my mind whenever
I covered the Ultimate Evil and Ed Sanders book as well,

(28:57):
just in terms of the various connections that they laid
out for for Manson himself, and I think it was
also what was it philed phil Jahon or something like that.
I believe he's the author of a book that essentially
laid out the the descriptive nature of Manson, essentially claiming

(29:21):
to have associated with Robert de Grimston and uh and
claiming that what he told to This is the craziest part,
because this was during the Tate Lebionca trial that he
tells uh uh uh Bugliosi that whenever Bugliosi asked him
if he knew Robert Moore, Charlie responds, you're looking at

(29:44):
him more and I are one and the same, And
that always just yeah, dude, I mean it reminded me of.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Oh man, it.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Was Aleister Crowley and Hitler, right like that strange connection there.
There was a quote that that's almost rang just as
as far as the similarities, it's it's kind of extraordinary,
but still not at all surprising that you had that

(30:16):
sort of could obviously the Theosophical Society and the strange
nature of the Nazi occult that in what they were practicing,
but but yeah, I don't know, man, it definitely and
considering the direct connection to Manson specifically claiming that he
and Robert de Grimston we were living under the same alias,

(30:39):
it just was stunning to me. And then it was
the father John and brother Matthew, and I wondered if
it was like was it there's father John is mentioned
multiple times right as far as certain even going and
visiting with Manson before they actually issued the death issue

(30:59):
of the Process magazine, which was directly yeah, where where
they put in the Manson essay or whatever the hell
it was, which is just extraordinary to me. But but yeah,
that it was. Those were the two representatives of the
Process that went to meet with the with the Bugliosi,
which which I just thought fascinating obviously, you know, but.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Anyway, PR game pretty good, don't they.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I Mean, they're always trying to cover their their steps, right,
and that's kind of what they do excel.

Speaker 11 (31:28):
In that, right.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
And the allegedly it was after he was asking questions
the prosecutor about the process that he was then visited.
As much as I think he was, he was controlled
as far as uh, you know, I think he was
somewhat compromised and very much on the take. As far
as Bugliosi's role within the trial itself, I just think, uh,

(31:50):
the the nature of them actually, you know, taking the
effort to go and actually meet with Bugliosi and then
ask him various questions and and confirm with him that
Robert de Grimston never like sort of uh at the
very least, they never preached violence of any kind.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Right, and he is the devil, but we're not violent. Right.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
And then if you look at all these aspects again,
you start looking at the all the theology or philosophies
of Manson, it's all processing.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Again.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
There's just no way to separate the two on above.
These are the examples you're providing right there, which are
excellent examples. And we see the maschinations of this entirement
of this processing machine. And when you're saying Bogliosi, didn't
they went and met with him. They could You're right,
they could have just met with him at the next
cult meeting if you asked me, because Bogliosi has got
some weird sex cult stuff going on in his life,
and he's not the first one in the l A
Prosecutor's office we have. It was Charles Manson's personal friend

(32:45):
and representative. From what I believe it was, Uh Linda
or the one of the Manson girls, Uh uh Cassavian,
thank you, Kasevian. Believe it's Cassavian's attorney there in the
Manson trial for a while, which is again the period
we're talking about here. And again they referenced throughout the
film the Manson family and the Colts, and we see

(33:05):
the machinations of that Colt again throughout the film. We
see the outlaw biker gangs, we see the Satanist Nazis,
we see the dentists.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Are you familiar with Old Charlie's buddy Victor.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Wild No, honestly, Oh all.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Right, Colby, Julie, have you all familier with Victor Wilde?

Speaker 8 (33:24):
He was a dentist with a pub.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
He was not only a dentist, sir. He was also
the head.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
He was a Satanist Nazi, the head of I believe
it was Satan Slaves outlaw biker gang there they were
Charlie was charging you know, this was again this is
the machinations of the drug trade there. So they're working
with these outlaw biker gangs for largely logistics and security,
which is still going on today. In fact, I was
going across an example in the Idaho four case of
that same situation outlaw biker gangs literally admitting to investigators

(33:53):
in that case and documents released. So they were doing
security to drug shipments to the murder house, being you know,
for drop offs, which again is the same thing we're
talking about here as far as the outlaw biker gangs go.
But Victor Wild yeah, really good friends with Charlie dentists,
uh and the leader of one of those outlaw biker
gangs there, and we see those folks in the film.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Can I just say something real quick? I know this
is kind of like maybe off and I know JJ
doesn't watch Dexter, but view of the season with the
Barrel Girls.

Speaker 9 (34:24):
Oh, like the there was a network of dudes kidnapping
and raping and torturing these girls.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
One of them was a dentist.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
One of them was like a motivational.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
Speaker, like the self help guy.

Speaker 9 (34:39):
But one of them was a d dan the dentist.
But I just find it interesting. There's always like some
some group of people, a dentist is involved, like public
is involved.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
You're pointing out there, all Star team. Sounds like you
got a mind control guy. You're a dentist guy. So
I don't I'm not precisely certain what these dentists. There's
a lot of weird dentists around Manson in the family,
but there's.

Speaker 8 (35:04):
A lot of big biology.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
To wow, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm I'm telling
you there was a concerted effort to apparently utilize these
fake dentistry cutouts for intelligence purposes while they were actually
experimenting on these molar implants they would utilize for brain

(35:27):
implants effectively, it really was, and it was behavioral modification
and and uh and understanding.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
I assume that's the roller playing right. It's some sort
of like trying to control.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Bart and short.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
It's so fucking funny in this in this role, dude,
I'll be honest, he kills it this sequence when it's
just so perfect, Dude, it's so perfect, like it's got
coke energy all day. And then they get in the car.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
It's the best ie coke.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
What did he say? Don't just h I forget when
he puts, hey, what are you putting underneath the seat man,
it's like it's straight up status.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
No attention to them, no attention to that package.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
So as we as we're describing her, ya Queen Phoenix's
character of the pot smoking p I, he gets basically
embroiled in this not by his own intent. Folks, are
you know there's a there's a puppet. There's someone pulling
the strings here. There's a puppet master if you will.
And that's in my opinion, Josh Brolin that we see
throughout the film it's kind of pulling the strings on
this and and and pushing Ya Queen Phoenix's character into

(36:32):
into doing his Brolin's deeds form because he's fed up
with a corruption within l A p D. But it's
funny because Brolin plays a robbery homicide detective who I
presume is amalgamation of a few guys, but most notably
Philip Van Atder.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
Is that an ash that's a direct reference. You think
he was inspired by his character was inspired by that individual,
is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Well, they both have Yeah, they both have a Dutch name, right,
Philip van Atdter and you got Bigfoot Norwegian name right, Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
The it's so interesting how how they do Like I
thought what Julia was describing earlier, as far as the
sort of psychological state that it the just the the
nature of the film and and kind of the pace
and every single aspect of it, it feels like you're
suffering from. It's so funny because they continually reference heavy

(37:26):
Doper's memory and then he's he's consistently sitting there and
he's like, not hallucinating, he's writing on his notepad right
when he's sitting there, having conversations, and he's like and
these yeah, these various connections are being made and he's
trying to ground himself back into reality, like is this real?
And now you're questioning that very fact as the audience member,

(37:48):
which is another real just a brilliant facet to the experience.
You know, it's it's a I think it's honestly, it's
it was It's an extraordinary film for that reason alone,
because it does sort of evoke these emotions that are
directly I think what they were hoping to achieve, and uh,
man like.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
I think you're I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
As far as the trippy nature of it, right, I
think I think Pnchon did a good job on the book,
but Anderson even excelled on that by kind of again
matching the narrator and the achuen Phoenix's friend and the
same person becomes very trippy of what is and is
not the current reality that man's experiencing. Objectively, we're inside
his head, right, But yeah, real quick, straight Satans, thank
you much. That is Victor Wilde. It was he was

(38:30):
the Straights, not Satan slaves. Straight Satans. I get my
I get my Nazi Satans biker games currently. But it's
a it's a great point anti IDENTI I'm a huge
anti dent anti identis.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
That medieval tor torture Seinfeld that's.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
Got a theory about why Joaquin's Phoenix character is so
disjointed because it took me probably about ten viewings before
I got to this theory. But I think that he
is actually an ultra victim he is being he's being
like led down so many paths by so many people.
He doesn't question any of it. He knows he hallucinates.

(39:10):
I think the narrator slash friend is supposed to be
his hallucination. Like it's that that Joanna Newsom character. No
one else ever acknowledges her. It's usually just those two
alone in a scene, but even when they're with other people,
he's the only one who sees her. So I think that, Like, yeah, big,
I like it.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I like that idea, sir, because he's also, in my opinion,
part of an Operation Chaost like we're talking about with
Manson being part of the CIA's Operation Chaos at least
in one component. And how Ellen Wilson kind of represents
a portion of that tale in the film and his character.
But Jack Queen phantasy, if you think about it, he's
a a PI working under the name Doc at a
at a free medical clinic, right, and he's got a

(39:52):
handler who's played by Benicio del Toro, who's this weird
Marie Marine time lawyer.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Right, He's got like a lawyer handle WHOA.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
That's what I'm saying. So Manson was playing all these
sides we know that much. We know he was doing it.
We see this naming with Owen Wilson in the film,
but ultimately speaking playing all these sides, they're really only
playing for one side, and that's ultimately this cult within
this national security frame framework. And that's what we see,
you know, spoil alert towards the end of the film,
when Jaqueen Phoenix gets Owen Wilson's character out of out

(40:22):
of this cult network situation, this Cohen tail Pro stuff.
So we see Coen Telpro and you know, literally described
in the film, but we see the machinations of Operation
Chaos played out through Yaqueen Phoenix's character. And again we
see other elements of this with the Black Gorilla Gang
who's teaming up with the outlaw Nazi bikers, and we

(40:43):
see that represent through folks like Donald the Freeze in
the Manson Family exactly.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (40:49):
Yes, the girl that's like that, that's narrating, that's supposed
to be the friend watching it back again today.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Maybe this is out of the book, I don't know,
but like even the language she uses, it's so new
age like dreamlike weirdness, hypnotic, right, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 9 (41:10):
The Neptune is going to conjunct with this and the
dope and the dad, and I was thinking to myself,
it really does feel like it's almost meant to confuse
you at points.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
Yes, she's his programming.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah, that's what I Yeah, that's what here.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
Here's a funny thing too. So that's Joanna Newsome, the
harp player that's playing Liege. She's married to Andy Samberg
from Saturday Night Life.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Oh way.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
Yeah. And Paul Thomas Anderson, the director of this movie.
The chick that works in the front office. That's Paul
Thomas Anderson's I have this weird like Scientology Saturday night Life.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
That's well, I'm glad you said that there, because there's
only so many films you can do relative to scientology
with science intelligence where you make the top of my
list of secret scientologists.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Thomas Anderson's up there for sure.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
I mean, have you seen The Master?

Speaker 5 (42:08):
I think that's what I think, that's what got.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
Of course he I'm gonna have to rewatch it again
after it's a watch. I love it so much though
when I when I first watched it, I watched it
many times when it first came out. But yeah, in hindsight,
now knowing what I do about because again it was
I wasn't as well versed in definitely hadn't even been

(42:35):
introduced to the process when I first watched that film.
So it's like, uh, thinking about it now, especially in
terms of, you know, clearly the uh, the the scientology
nature of of of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Clearly I mean
representing l H. You know, which is.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Just not a good light, and they do not like
that within scientilic right.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
But again, it just to me it was interesting because
like Joaquin Phoenix in that role, he was like this,
he was definitely fractured in every way as a person.
It was like what the animalistic nature of mankind is
what it was supposed to represent or something I believe

(43:22):
is what they hoped his character would represent to the audience,
Which makes sense if you're considering like who is most
vulnerable to this kind of esoteric these kind of esoteric
teachings in terms of like many of the occult New
Age organizations that were I believe, kind of made out
of whole cloth by the intelligence agencies for this reason

(43:46):
alone to implement this New Age philosophy, and I think
in order for us to embrace this inverted moral landscape,
and these these upside down inverted moral principles that clearly
are you know, the antithesis to what you should attempt
to just practice in your daily life as far as
your uh, you know, your most core values that you

(44:08):
uphold right as an individual person that make you a
worthwhile and a net positive to society at large. Which
is another hilarious kind of like misconception in terms of
the poison pill that is collectivism, which I consistently, you know,
I kind of preach on that just just thing.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
It's the same thing. I mean, what you're saying, sir,
I think is the same thing. With my main interject.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
I think it's the same thing, because what it boils
down to is all these commedy bastards, right all, you know,
the process sort of out Marxist. I don't see any
divers two ideologies. Folks can battle some antics all they want.
It all ends of nihilism, and it is all very
anti American, anti liberty garbage. Exactly what you're saying, this
is spook operations to introduce the New Age.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
That's really what it is. Introduced. Fuck COMMI shit, yes,
their good.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
I thought that the Woaquin Phoenix character and the master.
He was supposed to be like a Parsons type guy
because it's like the pre pool to the showdown, because
he's the guy mixing all the chemicals. You are right
about that, Yeah, and then they start this feud and
the movie ends before we get to like the big show.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
I forgot he was.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
He was just making these these.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Toxic an interesting point. You bring up an interesting point.
For sure, we might have to do a future one
on that's or.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
I do enjoy it.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
I love to that. I've only seen that movie twice.
It's it's painful for me to watch because of the way.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
It's not good at least one of my least favorite
Paul times.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
I love the movie, but it's just, yeah, you're watching
it through characters. IY is just much like with one
of the one Recovering Today.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Supposed to stop slightly above Punch Drunk Love for me,
slightly above Punch Runk Club.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
I love Punch Dunk Love, though, man, I do love
that one.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
That's Adam.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
I mean, I like all Paul Thomas Anderson films. I
just that's you know, it's not it's not high on
my list there, you know, I get it.

Speaker 9 (45:53):
I'm sorry, I was just gonna say to you in
this that the very beginning of the movie, like after
he meets with his ex girlfriend, the next scene after
that is when we see the narrator chick, and I
swear it's like trying to set it up that he.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Has like split personality or he's dissociated in some way.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I think that's part of the reason why you all
mentioned before you all were spot on your analysis of
how folks initially took this film is because of that reason,
I think. But I also think it's done intentionally to
paint this this kind of mystical nature of the entire film.

Speaker 9 (46:29):
Well, yeah, because you remember she says you need to
do something about your hair. If you change your hair,
you change your life. And then the next scene he's
got those little perms.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
Perm yeah right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
And it's like he's totally disassociated.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
Now he's got a perm and now he's got you
know what, he's sitting there watching TV.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
And I'm glad you mentioned this because I got a
clipped out up here to introduce us to this narrator
and the exact mystical nature you're describing, because it does
immediately hit you with is this lady real or because
you see her later and she is real, you presume
she is right, not Israel, but is an actual person.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
Did you see they have marshmallows on that pizza, by
the way, in the scene when with the narrator, when
they're where, when they're just eating in the restaurant. I
thought it was my wife pointed, Oh, I thought that
was mozzarella. I hope it was, because I was like
that fucking marshmallows, dude, I was disturbed.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Go ahead, well let's yeah, let's watch this brief introduction
here to the film, and we see the mystical nature.
It kicks us off.

Speaker 12 (47:30):
On she came along the alley and up the backstairs
the way she always used to. Doc hadn't seen her
in over a year.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Nobody had.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Back then.

Speaker 12 (47:46):
It was always sandals, bottom half of a flower print
bikini and a faded country Joe in the fish t shirt.
Tonight she was all in flat, lank gear, hair, a
lot shorter than he remembered, looking just like she swore
she would never look.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
So that is a good I mean, it's a really
to me. It's a gripping way to start the film.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
And again it paints the mystical nature once you starts
seeing this lady's not so much in his head. Possibly
possibly not. We also get introduced to Shasta fe Hepworth,
which is an interesting character name, right, but she's a
blue blood kind of character right now, of like an
Abigail Folger type of type of situation. And she's the
one who gets dock and broiled into all this stuff. Yah,
Queen Phoenix is along with big foot Biorns, and they're

(48:31):
clearly you'll realize towards the end of the film, in
probably your tenth or twelfth watching, that these two have
been working together the entire time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
Definitely, yeah, I think it's it's nuts whenever I mean,
as soon as you you see him go to the
real estate development location where the only thing that is
that is on the property is this trailer that's clearly
a prostitution operation where who's running security? When Doc shows up,

(49:01):
all these motorcycles leave, right, and that it's obviously the
Arian Brotherhood, or or it's supposed to at least I
think represent you know this.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
This probably hells Angels, right, I means angels, because the
dude's got a big swatzika right.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
Exactly, Neil Nancie, a biker gang of some kind. And
even if you remember when uh, when Doc goes to
the Pad, right, the the Spook Pad and Penga Canyon,
which is just felt like, this is Laurel Canyon, right,
I mean, come on, this is what they're trying to
represent at the very least, well.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
For sure, because they're going to if I'm they're going
to see a band, they're going to they're going to infiltrate.
We don't get too far ahead here. Owen Wilson's character
comes into play here, and that's where they're going to
visit him. But let's let's just put a pin on
that rope, because that is Laurel Canyon. I think Alan
Wilson plays a very much Laurel Canyon musician. He's a

(49:56):
he's a former surf sax player from this the Panga
Canyon band that.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
He probably heads the Wrecking Crew.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Well, there you go, Skirt, there you go. And when
then he fakes his death and suddenly he's he's working
for the l A.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
P D.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
He's working for the COLT, he's working for the FBI,
for Coen Telpro, He's working.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
For the rally.

Speaker 7 (50:16):
Dude, it's so funny.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
And he's got different identities with these group though, right,
because the and the Nixon rally when he gets pulled
out on TV making a big spectacle and a very
co intel pro you know, agent provocateur fashion the district
Attorney from Los Angeles that Jaqueline Phoenix has banging Reese
Witherspoon's character of the Assistant DA. She knows him as Chucky,
which is a different identity than his real identity or

(50:40):
the one he's going by and his.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Other spook operation. So he's got at least three identities.

Speaker 8 (50:45):
I think she's one of his handlers too, the attorney.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
Yeah, yeah, sure, that makes all the sense I mean.
And and then she she sort of like lures him back.
He walked me back to work type of thing. And
then he's sitting there with Cohen Tel agents gets on purpose.
Yeah yeah, it is that that to me. And then
by the way, meeting with at at his dent dental

(51:12):
practice or wherever doc's hanging out, right, and he's he's
just uh huffing that laughing gas, right, and it's that's
so hilarious.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
But it's a free medical clinic, right, It's just like
the free medical clinic that Abigail Folger's mother was financing
there in the Hate and Ashbury with with the with
the whole spook operation there with him kilt stuff exactly.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
But was it the it was the Black Gorilla.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Isn't that the name of the the Yeah, the group
that Omar from the wire?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Right?

Speaker 7 (51:44):
Wasn't he the actor that played that role?

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Man, he he was?

Speaker 5 (51:49):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (51:49):
And And also what Chalky White and Boardwalk Empire, which
is another one I really love? Actually is that that
is an amazing series, truly, I believe. But anyway too
definitely he heroin overdose, right, isn't that what happened?

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I didn't, Oh, you know, outside of a heroin overdose?

Speaker 5 (52:13):
How about Phillips more often.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
Exactly allegedly?

Speaker 4 (52:19):
You know when I again, this happened right after you know,
not right after the Master, but soon enough. There's a
lot of weird stuff going on with that death. But
when you see twenty, like twenty or thirty little baggies
of heroin and some dude relapsed and they're all just
spread across his body, like that's somebody who doesn't understand
heroin who stages that scene like, that's not.

Speaker 8 (52:36):
Somebody who understand their way out, which.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
I just realized there's a weird scientology connection between not
only Philip Seymour Hoffman playing l Ron Hubbard in The Master,
but he was in Magnolia with Tom Cruise, right exactly.
I just realized that he played that character with Tom
and he's telling the story along with Paul Thomas Anderson
in the four the four situation, right, interest, that is interesting.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
What's someone with Mark Wahlberg playing John Holmes.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
Oh, that's well, that's Boogie Knights. That's yeah, that was
the second movie and it's the one.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
That's what I'm saying, Like, that's the whole scene around
the forum that they don't say the four and the
four murders, but they're described.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
He's supposed to be. I mean, they call him Dirk Diggler,
but he's supposed to be John Holmes.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Are you serious? Look Nights too?

Speaker 8 (53:33):
He loves that.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
E oh yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
When we start looking to say, before we go any
further in the film, let's uh, let's just take a
quick moment here before we I wanted to discuss you know,
Paul Thomas Anderson and Thomas Penshones pass before we go
any further with that. But let's take a quick on that,
and then let's take a quick intermission right here.

Speaker 8 (54:00):
So, so, how how are all of those little wave ripples?
How are those so perfectly matching what's in the video?

Speaker 5 (54:08):
All the dons, all the special patterns look the same.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
This is like saying that my butthole is your butthole
because they're similar, right, It's not be we don't have
the same butthole.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Because of that, you're using butthole a lot of context.

Speaker 11 (54:18):
You're talking about botholes making everyone feel weird.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
That's the point, all right. That one's for Julia. She
loves her butthole.

Speaker 8 (54:35):
So there, I yelled at from the kitchen. That's for you.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
So Thomas Panchone, he's the one who writes all this stuff.
So in order to get all these mans and things involved,
I mean again, we were describing some scientology connections with
Paul Thomas Anderson, which I think again is very apt
to where his knowledge and activities involvement come from and
why he's doing these things perhaps making these films. We
see because the process is the dark wing of scientology.

(55:03):
They can't claim they're an offshoot, but they there's a
lot of a lot of argument to be made that
that's not quite the situation.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
I've heard it described as the strong arm of scientology
by certain people as well, And I don't know, do
you think that there's any accuracy to that statement.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
It seems like I do. I do.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Look at mister processed out org himself, Sir Lucy and
grieves the Satanic temple, right doug. He he attacks victims
of Satanic ritual abuse through this false memory syndrome stuff.
He's directly linked with the spychiatrist of the false memory syndrome.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
His process.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
That website is dedicated to attacking Satanic ritual abuse victimes
through Satanic panic and false memory stuff. So we kind
of see that. And it's got an eater at his headquarters,
so we see him. He wants, he says, he wants
to perfect the use of it. So I mean again,
if you take the actions, not their words, you can
start seeing what's actually going on there, right.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Right, Yeah, And that's that's interesting for sure. I definitely
think that there's so much value in just the the
pop culture introduction of a concept, you know, utilizing the
sort of this this paradigm, you know what I mean.
And that is why I think inherent Vice is so
special because it kind of appeals to one me directly,

(56:22):
but people who I think kind of just like they
they in order to in order to at the very
least interpret the current power paradigm that play It's like
you have to understand the playbook they utilize, right, And
as far as these domestic operations and how they're facilitated,
the distribution networks involved, the geographical hubs for you know,

(56:45):
the the strong intelligence footprint that is clearly the hidden
hand directing things, which is another aspect of how this
perfectly represents the nature that is this this very much
criminal enterprise. But but it it's it's really an international

(57:09):
that's what it feels like to me. And they all
conduct themselves in a very similar way and facilitate cover
ups at every level as well. But there's no difference
to me. When you see Michael Aquino, which you mentioned
earlier and clearly plays into so much of this, uh
and you see him traveling to on his diplomatic missions,

(57:29):
right uh, to to these Nazi castles and performing Satanic rituals,
right and and uh. And they're connected to the Pink
ballets and Belgium and the market detail network and uh.
And he's not only affiliated with Franklin, but the Finders
and the confessions of DC Madam right and and and
Craig Spence and his operation as well. And so for me,

(57:52):
this provides us this it's just another window into By
the way, it's another reason why I'm consistently pointing out
the fact that they never in like, they never stop
the objectives of the criminal enterprise at like the drug
trafficking level. Obviously that's not going to be where it ends.

Speaker 11 (58:13):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (58:14):
They will continue this sinister pursuit into the darkest clandestine
corners of intelligence that will effectively involve, you know, the
abduction of children on the street, using you know, police
protection and local officials helping cover up the criminal cases
so that the overall network isn't exposed.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
And and this right here, what you're describing is the
reason is kind of the the from what I see
the motivations of Josh Brolin's character in the film The
LAPD Homicide Detective of what is motivating him.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
To actually put all of these wheels.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Into motion here in the film pushing, you know, pulling
the strings there on ya. Queen Photix's character working with
his ex girlfriend Shasta fa Hepworth, who's dating that real
estate developer, this big real estate developers. He's kind of
got a couple of characters, I think amalgamation they're in,
but they do kind of time into this Howard Hughes
character when they got the Mormon Mafia FBI guys around

(59:15):
him and whatnot.

Speaker 7 (59:15):
Right by the way, the co Intel pro agents who
meet with Doc, they offer the the uh a copy
of the Book of Mormon. I was like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (59:27):
And what you're saying is he's ongoing enterprises. We see
these in the film and this is what motivates Brolin,
the LAPD homicide detective enough and enough because they've this
network had murdered his partner and nothing came of it,
and he just seen enough of it. You know, he's
really lost his mind. We know he lost his mind.
Throughout the film, they kind of just again back to
this nature of what his reality and what's the stripping nature.

(59:48):
We see Brolin losing his ship throughout the entire film.
We see, oh, exactly right, He's just he's fucking out
there right.

Speaker 8 (59:56):
Can I just say, dude, I love Josh Brolin, but
I think this is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
My favorite unit I love.

Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
I said that to my wife earlier, like last night,
we were trying to watch through at least the first half,
and I said, I paused it. I said, this is
my favorite role for Woking Phoenix, Josh Brolin, Benicio del Toro,
and honestly even Martin Short. It's probably my favorite character
for him as well, just because it's so perfect what

(01:00:23):
he represents in that scene.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
Where he's eating the banana in the car scenes in
the movie Popsicle, just watching him like, yeah, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
So described, Oh dude, and the scene is getting them
pancakes and they're they're clearly.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Yeah, wait, he's trying.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
He's trying to mess with Walking Phoenix, and Walking Phoenix
is messing back with him when they both now at
that point realize they're both sucking with each other.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
You know that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
I I I read, dude, I read, I read a medium.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
He tried to tell him that Martin Short's character was
found with with a broken neck and two fangs. Two
fang uh, you know, speaking of Michael Aquino, and some
psychological operations make it look like vampires killed someone, you know,
this drug trafficking machine with the dentists, with Hollywood, with
the mafia, with you know, with the major Hollywood figures,
which we can get into who that guy is, who

(01:01:17):
you know, Burke's Dodger that is. So I got a
lot of ideas that that's Marlon Brando represented there, but
we see that with well exactly there you go, sir,
and and Marlon Brando got an island in French Polynesia,
the same place where they're taking this Golden fang, right,
the the the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:33):
Huge islands, right, yeah, man, right, Yeah, I thought it
was very interesting. And and uh and also Benisso mentioned
the white Anglo owners and Howard Hughes when he bought
the desert in right, basically being the representative for the
intelligence agencies on the strip instead of the essentially the

(01:01:54):
FEDS needed, uh, someone who wasn't Italian, right, as he said,
I think is the way that he put it on
the st rip. And and then to to put it
in that perspective though, with the Howard Hughes reference was
so incredible for me just because knowing the level of
involvement that that Howard Hughes really kind of fulfilled. As
far as the the the private sector, you know, plausible

(01:02:19):
deniability cut out for the intelligence apparatus to clearly you know,
pursue these domestic uh uh clandestine operations and and and
and it was Nixon as VP who was tasked with
he gave he gave Howard Hughes a call. He said, Hey, man,
we need you to set up these domestic black sites
all throughout the US to train up these Cuban exiles

(01:02:40):
right in order to and and so we can green
light these various false flag operations all throughout the day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Dude, Howard Hughes in deep, That's what I'm saying when
they'd give the nod him. As far as the real
estate goes with this Mickey Wolfenstein character who disappears, and
that's why we saw Shastafe Hepworth coming into the Yaquin
Phoenix's apartment his ex girlfriend because that was her boyfriend.
He's disappeared and she wants his help. But it's really
we later learned there's more a little bit more behind that,
but yeah, Mickey Wolffenstein, so yeah, he's they give the

(01:03:07):
Howard Hughes nod. There is an LA based developer who
a Jewish fellow who did his son went to Vegas before,
like folks like Shell Shell Nattelson and Steve Whinn.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
And folks like that of these Jewish characters there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
But it is interesting to see that this real estate
developer is so intrenched in the deep state and they
give the nod to Hughes, which kind of makes me
think that there's an amalgamation of Hughes into that character,
because Hughes is about as deep state as it gets.
So y' all familiar with the term the Glomar response, yes, yeah,
and reformation requests, you get the response, we cannot confirm

(01:03:40):
nor deny this exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
Yeah, we can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
They called the Glomar from the operation USS Glomar operation,
which is a Howard Hughes shipped with a giant They
had a huge, huge vessel and they were trying to
dig something up from the bottoms.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
They had a big climate.

Speaker 7 (01:03:54):
She was a warhead, right, like a massive nuclear warhead
that they were tempting to retrieve that had fallen into
the bottom of the ocean because of what a submarine
u UH had sunk or something to that effect. And
and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
What the plane that's their's the plane but they can't
confirm nor deny it. And it's really that that was
was a Howard Hughes ship and Bill Colby, not not Colby,
not Bill Colby here, but Bill Colby was in charge
of that operation there. So you know, that's how deep
state Hughes is. But we do see that the story
revolves around that. But this ongoing enterprise of all this activity,

(01:04:30):
this whod rat shit activity, is what motivates Josh Brolin's
character in Shassafe Hepworth And they're they're looking for this
missing real estate developer, you know, and what they're really
that's what they tell ya, Queen Phoenix, right, But what
they're really doing is trying to attack this cult from
the inside.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
Kid.

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
You know, I read a theory on that I don't
I have to mention before I forget. I thought it
was I thought it was a little bit ridiculous, too
far fetched, but again it was. It was published in
like medium or something, and it was this essentially saying
that that basically Bigfoot Bjornsen had had potentially he was

(01:05:08):
even a sort of construct in the mind of Doc
the for the for the audience, and that effectively his
character had essentially kind of like spun out of control
in various ways because of the uh, sort of extraordinary
effect of what had happened to him throughout the covert
operations that killed his partner. And I thought it was hilarious,
but it was it was the fact that Joaquin Phoenix

(01:05:32):
could have even been a sort of created construct within
the mind of of a of a layered character in
the plot itself, which again it's like you're questioning agraph
Well yeah, yeah, definitely, I thought it was a little ridiculous,
but I still I found it interesting because again, we're
always in that mode of questioning what is real. If

(01:05:55):
you remember when he's meeting with the heroin addict that
that obviously is the wife of Koy or the at
least the mother of his child. That's uh, right, was
passing the heroine through her breast milk, and when he
sees the picture of the child, he like screams out.
But that obviously didn't happen, right, because she didn't have
any real obvious just right, Yeah, she didn't even react.

(01:06:18):
And so that to me was another example of like,
that didn't happen, that was an internal reaction, and we
got to witness it, and and because it wouldn't be
nastral at whatsoever. There would have been a reaction obviously.
So it's another layer to questioning what is real and
what is not and and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
And they keep fitness with that too, right, because there's
that one scene where the narrator we saw when she's
playing your real because in the book there are two
different characters, the narrator in that woman. So but out
of the tribute nature of the book, Paul Thomas Anderson
has mashed him together here. So you do see a
scene where she's in the car, you think, oh, that
she's actually in the car, but she's not. You find
out she's not, so you kind of you keep getting

(01:06:56):
those elements, like.

Speaker 9 (01:06:58):
I'm telling that's how I took it too, especially like
that weird trippy the way that she talks throughout the
entire movie. But does it ever explain in the book
or like why his nickname is doc because he's a
doctor he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
No, I don't think it does. But that's what I mean.
While he's working at a free medical clinic.

Speaker 8 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I think, dude, I definitely think that he is. Like, Yeah,
this person whoever came up with the theory that Austin
was just talking about took it a step further. But
there's a reason he's so disjointed, and there's a reason
he is so willing to go along with all of
his handlers. He's got three that I can think of,
and he never like stops to think, why am I

(01:07:42):
in the middle of everything going on?

Speaker 11 (01:07:45):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
You remember when he goes to the Wolfman residence and
the whole entire LAPD is just at a pool party.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
And it's interesting what they say there too, right, because
he says they're a party because.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
They know the Feds are coming in to shut her
from down.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
That's exactly which to me is a sign that won
all of the local officials know exactly the playbook that's
being uh you know, sort of uh implemented and presided
over at the moment. And and two, I feel like
there's a reason why, you know why you know, Jade
obviously the prostitute. Who's who's who's at what's the name of?

Speaker 13 (01:08:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Right, right, exactly, perfect timing, sir. I got a clip
here of Jade.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
Nice.

Speaker 7 (01:08:27):
That scene right there I think is incredible. The fog
itself sets the tone right, It's just perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
No, absolutely so he meets her, he goes to that
real estate development looking for Mickey Wolfman and gang and whatnot.
He finds the biker gang, gets knocked out, and suddenly
he's the suspect by old That's what I'm saying. Say,
we start seeing the maschinations of Bigfoot be o Ornson
right there because he you know obviously when you're when
you see Jack Quinn Phoenix going into the whorehouse there
the new real estate development that Bigfoot be Ornson does

(01:08:57):
the commercials for right on TV right, which is kind
of another scene where you're like, is this real?

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Is it not real?

Speaker 13 (01:09:02):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
He starts talking to him through the TV all.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Right, but yeah, Jornson later talking about how his TV
roles and commercials have dried up. So there is again
that trippy nature of the matter. So he gets knocked out.
He's going there to look look for actually he's going
there to look for Puck Beaverton. Is he not because
on to two reasons. The reason because Puck Beaverton.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Is the uh, the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Associate of that black Rilla family guy comes to find
him and at the free clinic Toreak Khalil and where
he's like he's right right, he's writing down because he's
already been told about Buck. Puck Beaverton is like not
hallucinating because he's multiple people are talking about Puck Beaverton, right.
The guy with the tattoo of the swatsika right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
There, Beware of the Golden thing man.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
So she she uh, she links up with him again
and they become friends.

Speaker 11 (01:09:53):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
The the hooker here, Jade, and she's kind of mystical
guide if you will, right, you have the narrator, but
she's always popping up right, She's kind of like definite
the person kind of gotting him through that his mystic
and I like, I like what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
In the Fall. It's very it adds to the mystical
layer of things.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
But we also meet Owen Wilson here too in his
character and the Golden Fang, because the Golden Fang also
exists in this kind of liminal space of is it
a ship, is it a team of dentists, is it
a you know, international drug trafficking operation, or is it
all all.

Speaker 8 (01:10:24):
Those child trafficking Maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yeah, well we can't. Wouldn't you can do one without
the others? Here, they're going to do both.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
I think right, right, I mean, especially the area that
they were sailing from.

Speaker 7 (01:10:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I mean it was
Jade herself that claimed that, uh, the Golden Fang was
a drug trafficking operation, right that she that she told
essentially told Doc like right away when she apologizes to him,
what wasn't the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Right because dude, he can't wrap his brain hole around
what the Golden Fang is, right. Because again, and that's
why I love that. I'll play it in a minute
with that clip scene, the scene and the pancake. Uh, well,
do you remember at the end where they're you know,
they're they're messing with each other bed and again it
speaks to them baby being the same person, and that
where they're both messing with each.

Speaker 8 (01:11:10):
Other, the scene where they do the handoff and they
swap Onen Wilson out, there's two fucking obviously under eighteen
year old girls that like facilitate the whole thing. So
that's what that in my mind about childhood.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
I don't know, I don't doubt it, sir, I don't
that's a good.

Speaker 13 (01:11:30):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
Uh honestly, I'm gonna have to because I didn't finish
it again like I wanted to get to the end
of it. But but I didn't quite finish it all
the way and I don't remember that part where where
the girls were oh shit.

Speaker 8 (01:11:43):
Also the girl that was in the dentist off.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
In my back, in my back.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
I feel like I feel like I potentially uh cut
out too, but I'm not quite certain.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
So when we get back from this clip, I want
to know before we get in front of the plot,
how you're all what you're all. Thoughts are on how
Thomas Pinshin even knew these narratives and storylines. Grant, he
didn't write the book until two thousand and nine, but
he was living in Los Angeles of this era, so
I have to assume that he came across some.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Of these folks or situations.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
I have to think, but.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
This is going to tell us about Jade, the Golden
Fang and Owen Wilson's character.

Speaker 12 (01:12:20):
I can't stay out here long. This is Golden Fang territory,
and a Carl don't necessarily want to get into difficulties
with those folks.

Speaker 14 (01:12:26):
Need this Golden Fang, the Golden Fang, golden thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
He's not just a boat dock. She's much more than that.

Speaker 12 (01:12:36):
A boat an Indo Chinese heroin cartel a vertical package.
They grow it, bring it in, step on it, frins
stateside networks of local street dealers and take a separate
percentage off of beach operation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
What I need to know is who are these friends
that lands for me?

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
So that's a pretty good description of it, right as
far as you know, is the octopus nature of it, right,
because then you know they go on to this right,
this is what I like to use as an example
of the whole hog effect of these this whole kind
of cult network is they're going to They're going to
profit monetarily speaking off of each step in the process,
literally the process, because they get them hooked on the

(01:13:13):
heroin which sucks the calcium out of their teeth, and
they get them new teeth, they send them a drug
rehab and rinse, wash and repeat, right exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I mean that is legitimately what was happening at
Hayte Ashbury, you know. I mean, it couldn't be more
accurate in terms of how that operation was ran. And
and these strange mk ultra operative scientists that are just
hanging out taking notes watching what happens, you know, kind
of like uh, just presiding over the experiment in a

(01:13:46):
certain way. But yeah, I think that the that scene
where where they go to this this dentist office, I
thought was incredible. But I also thought the scene with
Owen Wilson him trying to kind of like explain his
motivation and justify why he was like recruited essentially by

(01:14:09):
this vigilant citizen I think is what it was called,
the Vigilant California. That was the name of it, right,
the group that he allegedly was working for for during
this co intel pro layered operation that he was living
as far as like he claimed, what did he say?
He said, we were dragging each other down and just
explaining his sort of heroin addiction lifestyle and and how

(01:14:31):
much it obviously wasn't working, and the reason that he
sort of was justifying leaving and taking this job, which
to me, usually I would imagine in the real world
it would take like a criminal conviction of some kind
of like just an offense at the very least, right,
you get arrested, you're facing charges that are extraordinary and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Then compromising position. But he describes it almost more voluntarily.
He's doing it for the calls, right, That's what we said,
there's the one who signs him up for this program.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
So back to these kind of blue blood families.

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
Right exactly. It's so crazy because when when he says that,
I thought it was interesting because he definitely claims that
like it's moral right, he attempts to justify it in
ethical terms. I found very interesting because he claims that
the group Vigilant in California, they have money, right, They're
not like the Bible of thumping freaks on the beach

(01:15:23):
who are who are screaming at you or something is
the way he puts it, right, And then he explains
how basically he thought it was something that good to
do for his country.

Speaker 11 (01:15:33):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
But then he says as stupid as that sounds, like
he legitimately like as dumb as that sounds or something
like that. I think he actually addressed it in the
next sentence. But then he goes as far as to
actually question. I thought this was was very interesting because
he says that what he really found out was that

(01:15:54):
they just want to use them and and essentially keep
the membership in line.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
He says, be right, you know, he says, keep keep
the herd in check, right, Yes, dude, which so it is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
It is social.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Engineering through chaotic events which we see him perpetrating as
a faked his death Laurel and In saxophone player from
a surf surf sax band or from a surf band,
which you know again has striking similarities to the Manson family,
because that's Bobby Bosley came from the Arthur Lee in
Love band which was could be classified in that category
genre of music in Laurel Canyon.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
He was a guitar player.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
But what's that is that the dude that wound up
dead off the off the the boat like he drowned
and it was very suspect.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I think you might be referring to Dennis Wilson from
the Beach Bah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Yeah, Bobby in prison for life sentence for the murder
of Gary Hintman.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Another drug trafficking and related situation that doesn't off to
get described to that. And again whether or not Bosola
was Kenny saying, Kenneth Thanker's boyfriend knew Keno Levey. They
all know each other, all these damn Satanist Nazi fuckers.
But you know the story is with him, they find
a knife that was using him as attack in his car.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
He's sleeping on the side of the road, so much
like all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
These things again as we've seen in the film, is
is this reality or is it not reality? Because for
many folks, Owen Wilson played three different characters. Some of
those some of those characters that he played in this
real life you know world that he's LARPing in, you know, died,
so you know when some of these folks die around
these scenarios or some of these characters are playing, I
often wonder are we seeing some of the veil behind

(01:17:28):
the curtain with this plot line? And if so, like
where did Thomas Pynchone get these ideas?

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
What are your thoughts that are not Bill Colby?

Speaker 8 (01:17:36):
I actually don't know, but if about him really in particular,
but you're saying he grew up in that area.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
And well some Long Island, he's a he's he himself.
The pen Schones are an early oh yeah, the Pennchones
are in an early Massachusetts Bay family. So he his
his paternal line goes back to the you know, to
the Mayflower if you will.

Speaker 8 (01:17:57):
He ended up in l a h.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
I think he was in his forties come nineteen seventies,
an old man that this was one of the.

Speaker 8 (01:18:04):
Last books he wrote. I think it came out in
two thousand and nine. I'm not just taking and so
he definitely it's it's like Stanley Kubrick, you didn't dream
that shit up. You were that in the main vein somehow.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
Exactly that you're you're in my brain Holzer.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
He got this information from somewhere, whether or not he
experienced it or in sight somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
But this is the guy who wrote the book, right,
not the director, the guy who wrote the book.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Okay, so think about it. He's he lived in the area.

Speaker 8 (01:18:38):
And he came from Long Island too, and he's.

Speaker 9 (01:18:40):
Got a thing for He's got a thing for Laurel Canyon, right, obviously,
you know what I was thinking, is like the only
other reference of someone who has split personality, dissociative identity
disorder whatever that was also nicknamed doc it is from
the Shining.

Speaker 7 (01:19:01):
Oh right, oh wow.

Speaker 9 (01:19:04):
And so he's obviously got a thing for like this,
Jack Nicholson, Laurel Canyon, the golf scene.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Right, definitely, so.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
He his ma this is having the know this what
I'm saying. He was at the time. Oh, I'm sorry, jolly.

Speaker 9 (01:19:18):
Good well, I was just saying the coincidence to me
to have two separate characters that are Laurel canyon Esque
playing dissociative identity roles Doc and Doc that's to me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
It's a dead gay.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
And look how in the know he might have been
there in the scene, that is at least in June
of sixty six, pen shown wrote at first hand report
on the aftermath and legacy of the Watts riots in
Los Angeles, titled a Journey into the Mind of Watts,
So you know else is and Wats at the same
time the Warlocks aka the Grateful Dead, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:53):
With Courtney Love's dad and the founder of Tavistock's son
is their music publishing company president.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
My best friend of Jerry Garcia Won, Eric Trist, his
father Allan Trist, the man who wrote the paper on
social social engineering tactics were describing is depicting the film
you know, to keep the Herd in check. As you
were pointing out there Austin, these were developed through something
called social turbulence, a theory of paper written by that
founder of the Tavisa Allen Trist, who invaded America along

(01:20:23):
with the process. He went to u c l A.
And seems up said the framework before Johlly and West
arrived a few months later.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Wow, that's so crazy. Man, especially considered the anti Colt
network and and the what was it Rabbi Maurice Davis
and and uh Lewis, Jolly and West and these various
operatives that are very clearly they're they're they're tasked by
it seems like, you know, Sidney Gottlieb, the the Black

(01:20:51):
Sorcerer of m k Ultra himself. They yeah, and it
seems like they were sort of tasked with infant trading
the vast majority of these sort of one criminal cases
that were surrounding allegations of cult networks sort of utilizing
these very similar strategic just sort of just agenda items

(01:21:17):
that they kind of like. It very much matches exactly
what we've been describing. But also you consider Rabbi Mouric S. Davis,
who legitimately gave Jim Jones his first first of all,
he gave him a synagogue, but it was his first
sort of property where he implemented the people's temple, you know,
as far as like the ideology itself and the organization

(01:21:40):
that he created and then took to Guyana later on
after he moved to California. But still it's fascinating to
me that the individual who financed Jim Jones very first,
you know, Church for the People's Temple was previously a
synagogue ran by Rabbi Maurice Davis, who was a part
of the anti cult net work and a key MK

(01:22:01):
ultra operative along with Lewis Johny and West at the time.
And he was the the individual Palaine around in Kentucky
with with Jim Jones leading up to his prominent rise,
which just that to me, there's there's no way you know,
after you obviously follow that that story to to uh,
it's it's just sort of like, uh, extraordinarily detailed level

(01:22:24):
in terms of the evidence provided and kind of how
he was groomed into this this level of of becoming
an asset, you know, for the intelligence apparatus. So I
don't know, I'm very much interested in how much Doc
was a created, uh you know, was he legitimately just
a you know, a fabricated character within the context of

(01:22:47):
the mind of an individual character in the actual plot
line itself that was a kind of a spin off
from uh, sort of just this, So I think it
it could be almost a schizophrenic break that occurred due
to the level of involvement in the enterprise itself, which
you never know because you consider like the moral implications

(01:23:08):
of being involved in something like that and then finding
out what happened your partner gets murdered, uh, and then
all of a sudden you realize that you've been facilitating
a criminal enterprise that's uh, you know, sadistically abusing children
at a level you couldn't even comprehend.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
And yeah, it's already affects him, right because his wife
already he's like, she's like, we got a doc, we
got a psychiatrists build.

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
That doc is a an imaginary character for for bidding.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
I'm just saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
What I'm saying there is a theory like Austin was describing,
like it's a it's a fight club type theory where
both Tyler Dirton and you know Ed Norton's character the
same person. So you know, schizophrenic break. Yeah, it's kind
of the same in the.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
End where he walks in and he like eats all
the weed off the train. Yeah, that's fucking weird exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
And you remember the scene too when after the pool
party right at at mike he Wolfman's place.

Speaker 8 (01:24:01):
He runs out and like he runs just runs exactly
and then by the way, the symbolic nature of kicking
him while he's down.

Speaker 7 (01:24:09):
Literally, Yeah, that's not interesting. You never know, right, like
that that does make sense, does well?

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
You also see him on that scene at the end
there they stand up at the time they're talking and
talking they say the same words, right, Yeah, that was.

Speaker 8 (01:24:26):
Okay, I'm gonna have to watch this again, I know, dude,
I'm gonna have to finish for the seventh. Well, yeah,
because you could pick up if you watch that, you
can just pick up clues, which, by.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
The way, I mean it's an interesting for sure, right.

Speaker 8 (01:24:42):
Yeah, she's never seen Fight Club till like a month ago.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Yeah, I'm getting all kinds of again.

Speaker 7 (01:24:47):
I heard you guys talking about covering like d M.
K Ultra aspect of things as well, like in a
in a recent project or something you're you're working on now,
and I wondered if you guys had waked just in
terms of like again, the sort of pop cultural reference
and introducing a conceptual notion that is far more valuable

(01:25:09):
than I think the general public is aware of. And
that being like, and again, I've I've mentioned this a
couple of times in like the past two weeks because
I made the well, probably the past week and a half,
because I made the mistake of watching this film called
Blink twice. Right, And I'm not sure if you guys
have seen it yet.

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
We watched that recently, Okay, I'm like, you watch it.
I don't remember where.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
It's so crazy, man, I think it's on Amazon. Yeah,
I believe that it's free on Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Actually, but somebody had recommended it to us, right, Yeah,
it was Lola, Lola, the one we did the episode
withj I was actually gonna say to Austin because it
sounds like just based on several things you've mentioned, Mick,
Martin and Franklin and I don't even have to explain
this to you. You probably already know.

Speaker 9 (01:26:02):
But in Program to Kill, they talk about because you
mentioned Jim Jones, how Henry Lee Lucas was somehow connected
with Jim Jones, and the serial killer aspect comes into
play with the cult aspect, and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Right, they keep calling Waking In a cult leader.

Speaker 9 (01:26:28):
In the movie and it's like they keep bringing up
like this cult mentality thing, and it's it always goes
hand in hand, like CIA programmed cult leaders, real killers.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
They all know each other.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
They're all they definitely all know each other.

Speaker 9 (01:26:46):
Yeah yeah, but I mean it's it's like outlined a
program to kill so beautifully. I can't remember what the
connection is, but if you look hard enough, like you
wouldn't think somebody like Henry Lee Lucas would be paling
around with Jim Jones doing anything. But it's like somehow
they're connected, somehow they're friends.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Yeah, somehow.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Michael Aquino is coming up in waitness statements of Satanic
ritual abuse in Yukaya, California in nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Brow is that with the presidio?

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
Oh, he comes up.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
There's a lot of Satannian ritual abuse scandals in California
that come up with Kino there in the eighties, and
one of which is it in these Army CID themselves,
the Criminal Investigation Division, they investigated that one as well.
Because Yukaya basically everyone who worked in Yukaia and ran
businesses and ran the post office, they were all members
of the People's Temple.

Speaker 7 (01:27:39):
Yeah, wow. Yeah, they were running the welfare programs in
the county. Like I didn't realize how much that infiltrated
the state level of like the institutional level of the
you know, it was insane how much he was just
getting like signed over to him. Like it was interesting
how they were targeting various individuals who were just fresh

(01:28:00):
shout of prison right or they they were uh you know,
they were experiencing some sort of extraordinary, uh traumatic just
sort of event in their lives and and were became
willing to sign over uh basically there their entire Yeah,
it's it's crazy, mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
And and then you have individuals who were allegedly there
in Yukaya when when they were having these and he
would Jim would would have these loyalty tests, especially with
members of the the sort of inner Circle and the
People's Temple, and he would uh he even claimed at
one point, before they ever even left California that uh
he he had a meeting with with sort of the

(01:28:43):
the leadership of the People's Temple and he was discussing
with them, uh the potential move. And this was before
all the allegations of abuse and things of that nature
came up because the claims were being made that he
was faking many of these sort of theatrical performances for
the People's Temple members, claiming that he's like healing individuals

(01:29:04):
from from cancer, throat cancer and ship and he's actually
forcing them to like shove chicken bones down their throats
and like it's super crazy. Then they cough out blood
and he claims he healed them, and everyone believes it
because due to the extraordinary level of the presentation itself
and the theatrical performance. But it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
Wanted to accept it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
You know, you want to be in the same mindsets,
your cult, your fellow cult members. You want to you gotta,
you know, you want to get too far away from
the herd.

Speaker 9 (01:29:32):
That's part of the programming, right, That's part of the
m K. It's like the trauma induced miraculous cures and
and like God healed them and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
I mean, that's all part of the m K ship exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
Trauma here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
This is a This is Aby that was talking about
regarding dichotomy of these two characters possibly even being one
and the trauma. But my god, quicking in on how
all these folks now each other? You all were making
some excellent points there, Sydney Gottlaby, y all didn't know
I bought a goat farm just down the street from

(01:30:09):
the Finders farm there in Virginia.

Speaker 8 (01:30:12):
Of that, no, that's interesting. I wish it was a
pig farm for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Well, well, if you think about the goats though them
children were caught, and photographs from the Finders sacrificing.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
Goats, I didn't wonder that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
The execution of Henrietta and Igor Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:33):
And and by the way, the the it was Charles E.
Marsh who had direct connections back to the formation of
the Federal Reserve. He was a spook himself who provided
all the funds necessary for Mary and David Petty to
purchase the hundreds of acres of farmland in Culpepper County, Virginia.
But that he would then call the farm, which was

(01:30:54):
just early near the CIA's training compound, that they called
the farm right, this.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
To be near where Gottlee's up sets up his goat farm,
and not but not far from Bill Colby where he
dies there in southern.

Speaker 7 (01:31:07):
They all retire there. It's so strange. Colepepper County is
one of the main areas where all these spooks seem
to at least.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
JJ is that where Ted Bhole's family is from.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
So Ted Bhole's mother's from Burlington, Vermont. You know his
biological father Bill Colby, not this but not Colby here,
Not that's not Bill Colby.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Now he's actually.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
From Minnesota initially, but his father was a US Army colonel,
so they traveled a lot. That's what brought them to Burlington.
He became the rot C commander at the University of
Vermont nineteen forty one. Nineteen forty one, Yeah, because Colby
went his jute sophomore, junior or senior there at South
Burlington Hunt or Burlington High School there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
And that's where I looked up near books pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
So he comes back from the war, enlists in Columbia
University for law school. His mom and dad are living
in burl Arlington at the same time, Moise in law school.
And suddenly during that era, you know, you know, Ted
Ted Bundy's mother gets knocked up by an unknown man
there in Burlington, Vermont, the same town where I presume
Bill Colby's visiting his folks on a frequent basis, because

(01:32:14):
that is a it's a straight shot from New York
City to Burlington up the highway. It's about it's about
six hours. I've done it a lot, but it's not
it's not a bad drive. But nonetheless, I don't have
I have documented evidences in town. I know his folks
are living there still, right, I know no one knows
who Ted Bundy's father is, So I like to say
it's Bill and Ted's murderous adventure because why wouldn't What

(01:32:35):
would be a better storyline than having the head of
the Phoenix program come home the Satanic serial killers, one
of the most prosperous ones being the biological son of
that man Bill Colby who brought it home.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
And Ted ehol kind of looks like him.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
They dude, they look they look so they look so
muchke Julia. Now that I just I mean, I might
have confirmation bias, but like, the more I look at
those two, I'm like, how is that not more apparent
to me?

Speaker 5 (01:33:00):
Before?

Speaker 9 (01:33:01):
I had never until he brought it up the other day,
I had never even thought of it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
They do with that like skinny bridge of the nose.

Speaker 15 (01:33:10):
Like yeah, and they both because they Ted went to
law school and this would this would provide a context
for Ted's strange metiorc rise to the top of the
Republican Party, not just any top Nelson Rockefeller team RNC
top of that one.

Speaker 7 (01:33:27):
Interesting, you know, I wouldn't at all be surprised if
there was just based on the connection of like the
Nazi breeding experiments and and what Carrie Thornley, who founded
Discordianism and was allegedly one of the according to Jim Garrison,
was one of the Oswald impersonators that was conducting covert

(01:33:48):
operations along with Oswald for a time, and that's why
he was stationed with him at at Sugi Air Force
Base and.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Before the fake.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Defend Garrison was right about that one, sir, because then
you see Patrick Hemming, he falls in the same category.
He's one of minch More Bells underlings, Castro Cubans. He
knew he knew Alls well at the same time.

Speaker 7 (01:34:07):
Right, which, by the way, uh the Atlanta child murders
and the Iran contra connection there and and Wayne Williams
claiming that he was basically, uh, you know, set up
right as a plausible patsy in terms of a suspect
of opportunity that he was set up by the CIA
specifically for that purpose, and what did they utilize. This

(01:34:29):
all came from an eighty one hundred file which was
basically buried underground, and it alleges that this is all
based on a Georgia Bureau of Investigation a GBI wiretap
recordings of KKK members who were involved in fucking Iran
contrah were who were yeah, who were apparently conducting covert

(01:34:52):
drug smuggling operations through Hatsfield or Hartsfield air Force Base
or something or no, the international airport, I mean airport.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
That's the name of the international airport.

Speaker 7 (01:35:01):
Yeah, yeah, and Atlanta and and uh and right, right
and and uh and so basically that was just one
of the methods that they were utilizing to you know,
traffic drugs and then smuggle weapons of course.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
I mean an interruption, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
This is Bill Colby's A I C I C I
A C I A A I bought Bill Colby, baulwasher bought.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
He shows up every time.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
I don't know who killed Bill Colby, but he's trying
to argue that murdering women and children is sufficient to
reason to fight stop communism. And this guy defends everything
Bill Colby did it's it's quite comical his r R
channel though, We'll say his dedication keeps me motivated. And
on that note, we talked about all this trauma. We
see that in the film with both of these main
characters here, right, the main character and kind of the

(01:35:46):
you know, maybe his double right.

Speaker 7 (01:35:48):
Definitely, Man, that's so funny licking the tip to dude,
he he it's the tip. Oh my god, it yeah,
he starts licking the tip. Dude, that's so funny. Look, yeah,

(01:36:16):
Wakin's reaction is prices.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
So that was that was right after he got arrested
for that for that incident there at the whorehouse with
a dead outlaw biker gang. They were trying to put
on him. Even though we see him walking into the facility,
we see all the l a p d. Guys in
the background coming up to murder that outlaw biker guy. Right, crazy,
get kind of a sneak peek into it, right, definitely.
But the only reason that I brought up carry carry

(01:36:40):
in Thornley, uh was because he claimed that he was
essentially a member. This is so crazy that he says
that he became convinced that he and Oswald were products
of MK Ultra and and that they were products of
MK Ultra in order to create a Mantrain candidate, and
that one of his handlers, apparently two mysterious middle aged

(01:37:03):
men named Gary Kerstein and Slim Brooks, and Thornley later
came to believe that Kirstein had in reality been senior
CIA officer and future Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt, who
allegedly ran point in Dallas for the hit squads that
were in town to assassinate JFK and the murder of

(01:37:25):
the Killing of the King ritual and right after the
Dallas assassination is so funny because he goes back home
and he instantly uses his children as a sort of
alibi and gets goes to a plastic surgeon and has
his ears tucked right or pinned back, I mean his
ears pinned back because he had like very unique ears

(01:37:47):
and he was worried he would be identified by the
witnesses for being the point man on sort of the
Grassy Knoll during the alleged assassination where they had like
triangulated fire that they had specifically set up multiple hit
squads obviously to assassinate JFK. One even being there were

(01:38:08):
at least three, because one was allegedly stationed at the
airport because he wasn't going to leave Dallas alive. And
and and that they had already ran the Chicago and
Miami operations and even had their plausible patsies in place.
One of them seemed to very much a match this
same character profile of one in Lee Harvey Oswald, let

(01:38:30):
alone the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald is at a
a a party right like leading up to the assassination
in Dallas, like within a few days prior to the assassination.
I believe it was Clint Murchison Junior set up the party,
but his father, Clint Murchison Senior, I believe he owned

(01:38:51):
like the Cleveland Browns or some some I forget which
NFL team that he actually owned friends with with Lyndon Johnson,
and and he was hosting a party himself with Lyndon
Johnson that night, and multiple other figures that played prominently
into the assassination as far as being architects right, but
his son was was hosting a party the very same

(01:39:13):
night with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Speaker 5 (01:39:16):
The officer J. D.

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
Tippett and Jack fucking Ruby are all at the same party, right,
hanging out with Heidi Reichen, which is so crazy. Who
she comes up later on in Watergate because she sets
up the Columbia Plaza prostitution operation in the Watergate complex
which housed the DNC at the time.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
And and there was a private communication too.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Yeah, and it all lines up with with the Hunt
was talking, you know, the guy you were describing as slim,
slim shady there with the with mister Karen Thornley, which
he he himself.

Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
Is quite shady.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Is I agree with a lot of Garrison's conclusions. I
think Garrison was on a lot more stuff that he
was there.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
Because you've got to let me show.

Speaker 7 (01:40:04):
You this picture just for the sake of bringing up
the Nazi breeding experiments, Lee Harvey Oswald potentially being a
part of this because no one can really kind of
kind of but they no one can seem to acknowledge
who his father really is. And and this is very
interesting and in terms of the claims that were made

(01:40:25):
by by you know, Carrie Thornley, because this is fascinating
to me. Again it's as far as becoming uh he
even names right the the member of the SS that
he believes to have been uh, the father, and I
believe it was Admiral Carl Donnets. That's what they claim.

(01:40:47):
And this is fascinating stuff because he began to suspect
that his parents were Nazi spies that involved him in
this Mancharean candidate program. And again he he creates Discordianism
and a cult, this sort of ideological doctrine that is then,
you know, implemented at this new age level.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
And it's essentially an officer to the process though, right,
because when Jim Garrison's doing his grand jury.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
In sixty eight, the process is there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
They've already he's already onto the process because they've hired
Tommy Jude Baumler as their attorney and he's already investigated
Juw Bomber for the JFK stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
Yeah, and he was.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
So do you remember that when we did that episode
we did and I told you that Lee Harvey Oswald
befriended that pedophile guy that was living in California who
murdered all the boys.

Speaker 9 (01:41:33):
His name is Patrick Kearney. You remember that they Patrick
Kearney murdered like one hundred and twenty young boys and
raped him, disemboweled him. And he said that he became
friends with Lee Harvey Oswald when they were doing like
top secret operations, some type of language school or something

(01:41:54):
like that. You remember, yep, yeah, yeah, I actually read
this book. I don't know if you made it to
this chapter, but it talks about the multiple Oswald theory
and how there was that's.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
From the Warren Commission that no one pays attention to it.
That's from the Warren Commission. The Warren Commission inadvertently identified
numerous children growing up across town from each other named
Lee Harvey Oswald and Harvey D.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
Oswald.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
But no one pays attention to that component of it.
Multi they even they obviously didn't pay attention to their
own summary of it, to be fair, but nonetheless.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
The investigation it's very interesting though.

Speaker 9 (01:42:31):
If anybody has time to look into the multiple Oswald theory,
it's it's pretty wild.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
No, I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
And speaking of Patrick Kirty and the Monterey Institute where
Oswald was doing his language training as well, May Brussels
was there at the same time. She lived in Monterey
area there, Carmel by the Bay there and she she
she remembers picking up a hippie man dress is a
hippie that she later saw on the naval base there

(01:43:00):
as at the Language Institute.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
So this is a good example of this late sixties era.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
We're talking about the infiltration of spooks into this countercultural movement,
or it seems the entire creation of the kind of
culture movement by spooks, and then they all just keep
it moving together almost you know, as you know, as
a biological system just keeps functioning, almost like protects itself.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
It's in some regard, right, it's the.

Speaker 9 (01:43:25):
Society of Cincinnati. But you're always bringing up JJ. Yes, ma'am,
I literally wait.

Speaker 4 (01:43:31):
Who is I'm gonna have to do an episode ony.
I'm glad you said that, So I'm I have to
look more into this, Austin. I'm into the idea. But
we we do know for a fact that Berry Seal
and Lee Harvey Oswald we are in the same who
what we're saying as far as same Silver Patrol you know,
as as fifth fourteen to fifteen year old. So what
we're saying here is a breeding around we already have,
you know, exhibited in that. However, I have to look

(01:43:53):
into this lineage. I'm interested in it because Berry Seal
is a descendant from Captain William Seal the North Carolina
chapter This is of Cincinnati, and Lee Harvey Oswald's the
third great grandson of Joseph ols Well, a major in
the Georgia chapter of the Society of Cincinnati. The Secret
Society started America. So I'm the idea. But it's interesting
we see those kind of uh, this this, Those are

(01:44:16):
the folks I would expect to be in these programs.
I guess what I'm saying as well, so we see
it being exhibited.

Speaker 9 (01:44:21):
Jackie actually as in Society of Cincinnati. Because this is
my theory. Colby didn't think of it at all. He
has no idea about it. But have you ever heard
that Jackie actually shock Kennedy?

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Oh my god, final head bluff.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
I have heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
I haven't read that Colby's theory, but I'll have him
tell it's not my theory.

Speaker 8 (01:44:43):
I just watched the fucking film and that's I watched
this Mandela Effect documentary where they show that she fucking
reaches under his chin, that spray goes straight up, and
then she drops something metallic behind the scene. But since then,
I even't think that footage is really well, yeah, I
don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
It's That's what I'm saying, dude, it's not really I
think uh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
I think writer Lee Over in his jfk X documentary
did a great job buring out the issues with that.
I mean, on its face, it's another circumstance, but represent
it's it's interesting who tells these narratives. So again, like
like matters with the demands story, right, we get Adam
go Rightley, who's the chief discordian now and again Discordianism
of Kerry Thornley, I would argue, is part of the
same British invasion as the process which he had machinations

(01:45:29):
within sixty eight and norms when they got there. Because Thornley,
the rest of Thornley's family tree all British invasion Mormons
under their era of Brigham Young, they all came to
America when it was not America. They came to Desret,
the Mormon nation of Deserret from England. So we see
the same kind.

Speaker 8 (01:45:47):
Of aspect that they named their second hand close store
the Deseret Industries.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
And yeah they name their paper the Deseret you know,
the Desert News as well. So yeah, so breaking me
Young when he took over and took the Mormons out west,
the first thing he did was call the MI six
is chief spy there James Bond of the mid nineteenth
century for a meeting. So in eighteen fifty two, it's literally,
I mean again, we see the machinations of the British

(01:46:14):
invasion continuing to circle around these same aspects. Because it's
my opinion, based upon the Processed Church's own corporate documents,
that the corem of the seventy that's outlined in those
corporate documents is the Mormons com of the seventy, which
is their main organizational structure of the Mothership in Salt
Lake City.

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
Which we provide context of why they're in cannop Utah
today as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Interesting, So we see that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
All with Thornley, We see the Mormons, we see the process. Yes, ma'am, well,
I was.

Speaker 9 (01:46:41):
Just gonna say they practice. I don't know if you
watched Under the Banner of Heaven, but that's when I
learned about blood atonement and shit, and that's like, I
don't care what you say, that shit is like straight
up demonic.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Yeah, that's some fundamentalist views. So you have your fundamentalist
Mormon sex that they don't skew the original theology.

Speaker 11 (01:47:01):
If you will.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
But and I think some of that stuff again falls
within some of these elements of these cultus we still
see today because a lot of those uh Aryan Nazi
folks in northern Idaho started off as Mormon fundamentalists, you know,
so we see a lot of imaginations around these kind
of same activities. But Thornley is a great example of
another guy with the Language Institute kind of connections with
the spooky operations, and we see more and more of

(01:47:24):
these examples of the you know, infiltration of these movements,
and we see that with Owen Wilson's character. We see
that to a certain extent with Dox Sportello. You know,
he's not as you know, a Quen Phoenix is not
as openly infiltrating these places, but he's obviously infiltrating all
these different places.

Speaker 8 (01:47:39):
They're making it think, making him think it's his idea
right right the way he's being led by a carrot
on a.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
See docs.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:47:55):
Another one of my favorite scenes is where the Nazi
guy finally has him in the office and they does
him with PCP and his j and then he shoots
shoots him. He's like, did they hit you?

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Yeah, I have that clip up here, sir, But I
figured and chronologically speaking, once he gets introduced to this
Golden Fang situation, he starts seeing these disparate elements of
this mystery. He's being surrounded by ya Queen Phoenix. He
finds himself at the headquarters of the Golden Fang talking
to uh old doctor Rudy blatnoid here right, Yeah, man,

(01:48:31):
creepy dentist.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
You promised me, you did you not promise?

Speaker 7 (01:48:35):
She has a strange familial connection too, huh within the discontext.

Speaker 5 (01:48:41):
A greedy little hippie. The greedy little hippie. So they're
they're getting the pure China white, as they explained to me.

Speaker 12 (01:48:51):
Unusually high density and often incoherence. Her father, Crocker, also
known as the Dark Prince of Pallace.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Fair Days, was a there you go that her father
is the Dark Prince of Pallas Verdays. Yeah, that's so crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:49:05):
That's so close to me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
Very powerful attorney right in there, and we see him
later in the machinations of of of representing this entire
occult drug trafficking Golden fing network. But what I thought
was interesting there is there was a man, a lawyer
there in Los Angeles that helped Charles Manson numerous times
when he got out of Terminal Island in sixty seven
when he was sew Philip Kaufman and when he when

(01:49:28):
he was running that Star talent ag and see he
got into some some some skirmishes and.

Speaker 5 (01:49:32):
Troubles with the law.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
And there was a guy out of Pacific, not not
palace verdes Pacific Palisades, but a very power attorney of
a blue blood nature. Because we call them Crocker Crocker Fenway.
I mean that sounds as old East Coast what as
it gets right?

Speaker 13 (01:49:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:49:48):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
Did you.

Speaker 7 (01:49:51):
Uh did you ever come across that Danny trey Hoe
connection to to Charles Manson? I thought it was so
funny dude, as far as when.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
He absolutely, and if I if I can just give
you you can introduce this to that one, I give
you quick scientology connect to that. So trey Hoo is
the first cousins with Robert Rodriguez and him and Quentin
Tarantino have way too first cousins.

Speaker 5 (01:50:14):
I don't know that, and I love that's why he
got casting all them films.

Speaker 7 (01:50:19):
That makes sense.

Speaker 8 (01:50:20):
But the knife guy, that's that's the one.

Speaker 7 (01:50:23):
I'll be honest, I was a big fan of the
Grindhouse films whenever they came out, right like, those were fun.
That's what got start right and Robert Rodriguez, man, I
mean from From Dust Till Dawn, I mean, I absolutely
love that movie, right, just as far as the Cheat right.

Speaker 8 (01:50:39):
Well, he also casted Quentin Tarantino as himself.

Speaker 7 (01:50:42):
Yeah, who's just sucking off.

Speaker 8 (01:50:46):
And he's about the younger girls. I mean, dude. Quin
Tarantino pulls defense for Polanski.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Oh yeah, and I mean dude all the time, dude
all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
The party girls.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
Yeah, he's happy to even.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
Bring it up when you're not bring He's worse than
Anthony wien or who's going around saying he should never
have been charged for anything.

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
I'm like, oh my god, you saw that.

Speaker 7 (01:51:08):
That was so funny, dude. But what about Candace? She said,
Harvey Weinstein is perfectly innocent.

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
He didn't do it.

Speaker 8 (01:51:15):
He's stepping in line.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
They all do. I swear, she serves my ship, care
and purpose on things.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Nothing.

Speaker 13 (01:51:22):
She's old.

Speaker 7 (01:51:22):
Candas everybody tell me right now that you're you're on
the same track as I am. And as far as
you guys, your interpretation of the Nick Flints and Candace
Owens and Tucker Carlson. Oh my god, they're all feuding
in reality, it's just a way to like coexist and
push each other up into into prominence in a way.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
Absolutely, they're going to bring Alex Jones for the last
you know, the last uh.

Speaker 8 (01:51:52):
W w e with these fucking alternative media.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Yeah, absolutely, dude, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Now so I think in regards oh well that, yeah,
that's not happening, that Peter steal if that happened. Right, So,
we see one of my favorite scenes in the film.
We see is the ongoing again the ongoing conflict between
big Foot Biornson there in jo Quin Phoenix's character Dox Sportello,
but in regards to big Fitt Bjornson in this whole

(01:52:22):
Polanski situation. So it was Philip van Atter, the lead
detective on oj the rookie cop at the scene of
the Tate Polanski house there in sixty nine. He was
on scene there, in fact, the first officer on see
at Tate Polanski Richard Wally, the first officer on scene
at Nicole Brown Simpson Ron Goldman scene, Richard Wally, Philip

(01:52:42):
van Atter was the lead detective there Philip Vanatter was
second on scene with Richard Wally at Tate Polanski back
in sixty nine, but in seventy seven it was old
Philip van Atter. Full disclosure, he and I aren't ken Folk,
but we have common Kenfolk because the van Atter is
also hailed from Logan County, West Virginia. And when you
when you mentioned, uh, what the Franklin scandal that also

(01:53:04):
goes back to Logan County, West Virginia with Henry Vensent,
he's from, He's from and still resides today in Logan County,
West Virginia.

Speaker 7 (01:53:11):
You think, yeah, do you think he was given an
offer he couldn't refuse and and essentially took his own
life or do you think that was the the layer
just like kind of explanation.

Speaker 5 (01:53:25):
For Oh, I guess, I'm I guess I'm behind the
times Henry Vensent died.

Speaker 7 (01:53:29):
Oh, I'm thinking Craig Spence. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The
actual connection, the intelligence connection to to Henry Vincent's network.

Speaker 5 (01:53:37):
But yeah, I heard old Vincent was still he's good,
he's good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:53:43):
I think they took Spence out personally.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
Yeah, that's oh, yeah, it was very convenient timing for
all of that.

Speaker 8 (01:53:48):
Right, that guy would have talked, I guarantee you if
they would have got him alone in her room.

Speaker 7 (01:53:53):
Same as same as Debus Gene Palfrey, right who the
the DC madam who well she was involved with, like
like uh, Todd Palin, who was essentially during Sarah Palin's
bid for the White House was there. There were these
investigations that were being conducted prior to all of that,
and during uh, that process, Todd Palin was sort of

(01:54:15):
exposed as being affiliated with this sexual black male human
compromise operation with a with a madam prostitution.

Speaker 5 (01:54:23):
Yes, and and uh it directly that book still stealed.

Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
That book still steal They threw the federal judge off
the court the bench, I believe ever ever exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:54:32):
That's why she died of the worst case of suicide
you've ever seen. And she claimed prior to that that
obviously she would never kill herself and that if anything
happened to her that you questioned the outcome. And uh
and nobody has done this obviously except for people like
Nick Bryant or or individuals like us that are obviously
that they they claimed that were schizophrenic, You know what

(01:54:53):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
Basically, you bring us some good points as far as
the whole Franklin scandal business.

Speaker 5 (01:54:59):
Good. Oh, go ahead, ma'am, go ahead, the.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
One who died with jump stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:55:05):
Virginia Yeah, old least Sea by the way, I'm telling
you right now. And and I got uh, I got
some strange like pushback on on Fiona Barnett and eyes
wide open. I'm not sure if you guys are are like,
are aware of that book or or some of the

(01:55:27):
allegations that she had made with Detective James Rothstein that
she at the very least she had a relationship with
It made me consider at the very least what she was,
you know, claiming to be the case. But but it's
just like, man, honestly, I could understand a world where
where where she was given the Virginia Jeffrey treatment and

(01:55:51):
essentially they undermined her credibility in a way that was
that was just perfectly convenient for the moment and time.
Obviously in terms of the epstein A disclosure, guys right
then and the transparency the most transparent governments and administration
in American history, as we're intended.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
To believe, right And I think that's what you're pointing out, sir,
is what I like to say is why would you
understand who's giving us these messages, what their motivations and
intents may be, and what you know possibly you know again,
what's the outcome they may desire amongst a larger group
that they may be connected to. For example, would you
believe Virginia Giuphra's maternal uncle is likely to a member

(01:56:31):
of the Society of the Cincinnati from a very powerful
member of the Virginia Chapter du Her mother is a
Cabelle and the Kabel's if you're familiar with the Cabell's,
that's the deputy director of the CIA. The JFK fired
along with the Dollars. He's a Kabell and his brother
was the mayor of Dallas that day. Earl Cabell Right, No,

(01:56:51):
Earl Cabell and Charles Cabell would be third cousins of
Virginia Geuphray's mother Cabell.

Speaker 7 (01:56:57):
I fucking love you, JJ. I learned so much every.

Speaker 5 (01:56:59):
Time there's fives.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
Five boys in the Virginia chapters whipping out the notebook.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
I don't think she ever left the network, right. She
was always a victim, even even up until her death.
You mean in very capacities. I think, right, I was
never able to able to leave. I think she was
born into it, much like I was saying about Lee
Harvey Oswald and very sealed.

Speaker 5 (01:57:26):
These are the people that out of the society.

Speaker 8 (01:57:29):
It's like a gang, like you're taking again. They fucking
oh big time for the ship they've done.

Speaker 5 (01:57:38):
And they got to play for daddy. And what does
he do?

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Because and then it helps describe these matters I think better, dude,
Virginia she was at the age of seven, she was
already being molested by a friend of the family apparently,
and and uh, you know, and and to understand that
what was it her father that arranged for her to
get that position?

Speaker 7 (01:57:58):
At at uh at uh? Why is it escapability?

Speaker 13 (01:58:03):
Right now?

Speaker 7 (01:58:04):
Yeah, Merilago, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:58:05):
And and then you know her father now has gone
trans No, all.

Speaker 13 (01:58:11):
Right, du.

Speaker 7 (01:58:14):
Let's check off every box.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
That's that Sky Roberts on his on his public Facebook page,
he's wearing a wig and address.

Speaker 5 (01:58:20):
Dude, I'm not making JJ.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
Do you remember when we talked about that with writer
and I said that her name is Darlene dirty Puss.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
That's right, that's the great nickname. I do remember that, darling.

Speaker 8 (01:58:33):
She forgot to.

Speaker 7 (01:58:36):
Oh my god, hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:58:39):
But see picture. What's that her?

Speaker 8 (01:58:43):
Are you still streaming on YouTube and we got kicked
off yet?

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Oh I'm sure, I'm sure we were good. I've said worse.
Painting is larger, broader picture of all these majors said.
If we know about the scandal, if it's a parapolitical event,
we're aware of not only do I argue, all roads
go back to the Cincinnati. You know, there's a question
about JFK our our channel. Again, I appreciate your dedication there.
JFK was a member of the Society of Cincinnati by

(01:59:08):
virtue of being the US president. He's a not a
hereditary member. He doesn't get to pass it down. However,
his wife's father was a hereditary member of the Maryland Chapter.
He died in fifty seven. Thus JFK Junior was born
into the Society of the Cincinnati in that in in
that in that hereditary role.

Speaker 5 (01:59:24):
So you look at the JFK death real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
You got Lee Harvey Oswald probably a hereditary member of
the Georgia Chapter. Whether or not who is biological father is.
That is where for example, his grandfather was a colonel
in the Confederate Army, so we can see that lineage
through through these matters.

Speaker 5 (01:59:40):
But then you have.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Jackie Kennedy's father, Jack Bouvier, was a Maryland chapter member. Again,
he was dead by that time, but puts JFK. Junior's
death in the new light. You got jaeg Or Hoover
is a member of the New York Chapter of the
Society of the Cincinnati. It really paints a different picture
for a lot of these parapolitical scandals, right, And again,
that's that's.

Speaker 7 (01:59:58):
Fat Like I'm not trying to cut you off, and
and and continue on. I just wanted to briefly mention
the fact that I think there's no doubt about it
and and there's no way that it it we can
kind of chalk it up to some sort of ultimate
coincidence happening here in terms of the direct connection to
this Nazi element to monarch mink traumatic you know, uh,

(02:00:25):
just this very obvious trauma based mind control is what
they're they were pursuing. And and uh, even with I'm
doing a series right now because I remember when I
covered the detroiugh fair that that that man, I'll tell you.
That criminal case affected me more than anything I've ever studied.

Speaker 8 (02:00:44):
Yeah, the program to Kill prologue before bed at like
one in the morning, and I was like, no, good, Okay,
I guess I'm gonna go to sleep now.

Speaker 5 (02:00:55):
Yeah, good luck with that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:00:58):
We had just.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Started like talking again when I did the Pedaphocracy series,
didn't we I couldn't. I couldn't get over it. I
couldn't stop talking about it. It was bothering me. I
was in a really dark place after I read that
book and I did the series on it.

Speaker 5 (02:01:17):
And well, that's a good sign you have a soul there, ma'am,
because it's some dark shit. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
Yeah, Mark Dutrou was one of the worst things I
ever read about ever.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:01:26):
And you know, through the investigation they connect back to
the Satanic Order of Abersachs or the app of Braxis
the Chicken Snake God, whatever you want to refer to
it as. But I mean, legitimately, the High Priestess of
the Order was sending that they had like a dialogue
between Bernard Weinstein, that one of the key accomplices in

(02:01:48):
the Detro network that was helping the trow abduct the
children raping them while they're in shackles and putting them
in the dungeons like terrible things. But what I found
so fascinating about it all just in reference to uh,
the sort of the just this reoccurring and resurfacing Nazi
thread and element that exists within this context of monarch

(02:02:09):
is and and by the way, uh, you know, key
instrumental operatives have been named, you know, uh in terms
of who who kind of like suggested this path to
Alan Doles, which then apparently kind of embraced it and
facilitated the path and and as as a good sociopath
would do.

Speaker 13 (02:02:29):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
But obviously, yeah, those dolls boys, there are a lot
of trouble, aren't they honestly.

Speaker 7 (02:02:33):
But but the the only point I really wanted to
make about that is is just that the grandmother of
Regina Loof whose X one in the in the Belgian
X files, right, the ex dossier that was made public
by Wiki leaks and and kind of helped expose so
much of the details of the individual abusers within the

(02:02:54):
network of detrou and and she she claimed man her
her grandmother was the individual who had one she was
forced to sexually uh uh sort of gratified to please
her in sexual ways. And again it points out the
familial dynastic pedophilic imprint that is so very obvious and

(02:03:14):
and resurfacing in every single one of these networks, which
is so fascinating, especially the state sponsored heavy intelligence footprint.
You know, examples that we can point to. But but
the fact of the matter is that her grandmother, Regina
Luf's grandmother, she was a collaborator during World War Two,
running two brothels, one of which was for Nazi officers,

(02:03:39):
in another for Nazi soldiers, just the regular infantry.

Speaker 6 (02:03:43):
And she she was.

Speaker 7 (02:03:44):
Briefly detained after the war in Noke, I believe is
where she was detained. But then she's released, and she
goes on and finds her way to Belgium and opens
up a new brothel and continues on with this enterprise.
And so to me, it's like, are we supposed to
chalk this up to another coincidence, that that there's no
way this had anything to do with monarch mind control

(02:04:06):
and and the sort of overall umbrella. Yeah, yeah, there's
no way.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
In my mind that.

Speaker 4 (02:04:12):
Well no, it's all we're talking about the match, Like
I said, we're seeing like elements of what Jim Garrison
would describe as kind of this and when he when
he's facing off against Johnny Carson regards the JFK matters
and his grand jury against this network, and early he
was he was not fully aware but aware of the
process that he was up against here in this network. Again,
they were they were operating in around his entire investigation,

(02:04:34):
including Kerry Thornley. But we see we see him explain,
you know. Carson's like, well, hey, wait a second there, Jim, Uh,
it seems like you're describing different things here as you're
trying to tell me about this, uh, this conspiracy to
kill to kill the president, and and uh, he's he's
he puts cart well, you know what, I'll just I
may I'll just play the clip.

Speaker 5 (02:04:53):
I have a clip of it right here.

Speaker 4 (02:04:55):
But he's telling Carson, He's like, yeah, yeah, these are
all different components of a much larger animal, a much
larger gene, right. And I think what Garrison is doing
here is describing the process without saying it's the process,
because again he had the early understandings of some of
these matters, but didn't fully understand perhaps what he was

(02:05:16):
dealing with. So then we pull that clip up here
before we go any further. But yeah, I didn't have
a way to describe it other than, like, you know,
he's trying to describe the fundamental elements of it, right,
and he knows again he's got Tommy Jude Baumber on
his radar, He's got Fred Chrisman, the first UFO witness
on his radar is chief suspect. One of his chief
suspects in his grand jury is Lee Harvey Oswald, who

(02:05:38):
is now interceding with Barbara Reid, who's another suspect there.

Speaker 5 (02:05:43):
She's a witch, local witch. They're all doing process stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
The first the first discordions and bibles published in Garrison's
office by by folks connected to the process.

Speaker 5 (02:05:52):
So you can't tell me this chaos, Colt. They have
this whole fancy back.

Speaker 4 (02:05:57):
Real cute. It's real cute. But no, yeah, I do, Garrett.
I've been I've been a Garrison super fan for years.
How I became friends with John.

Speaker 8 (02:06:05):
Barbers because Kevin Costa played him in a movie. But
I had no fucking idea he was this is like
I thought, Mari was probably the first person to really
put this out there. I had no idea about this.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
Oh it's not out there, and some of it's in
the secret files. John Barber still got but still trying
to get my ninety three years old.

Speaker 11 (02:06:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
John Barber's interesting man himself. He used to be a
personal writer for Frank Sinatra, who ties into all these
matters of the Manson families and Satanism and mafia stuff.
Then we see depicted in this film.

Speaker 7 (02:06:37):
But the organized crime as the organized crime footprint helping
provide that plausible deniability, uh, you know, uh sort of
cut out for intelligence. They run hand in hand, they
sort of coexist in that very way. And that's the
same thing that happened in Watergate, right, the Columbia Plaza
operation was set up and then and Joe Nesline was

(02:06:58):
the key mafia uh you know, at least organized crime
individual who was affiliated in d C, who was obviously helping, uh,
provide the the in in my mind, the plausible deniability
for the CIA, which is why you had Heidie Reichen
claim that she had CIA protection and that was allegedly

(02:07:19):
who was who was In reality it was Joe Neslin's network,
but it was on behalf of the c i A. Right,
And that's what's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (02:07:27):
Well, and the Mormons don't sit on the Mormons because
I Howard Hunt was employed by the Moullen Corporation, which
is all run by US Center future US Center from Utah,
Bob Bennett and Skull and Bonesman Bob Benn and they
were shut down over all these matters because they were
a CI, a Mormon front company that were employing the
Watergate burglars, notably E.

Speaker 5 (02:07:47):
Howard Hunt. Yes, yes, and.

Speaker 8 (02:07:53):
Yeah, you had this naval intelligence guy who had never
made a journalist before in his life just suddenly get
this big case. I mean that that right there, Like
I didn't learn probably until I was in my thirties. Right,
you watch all the President's men and you see all
that shit I mean.

Speaker 7 (02:08:10):
On it Office of Naval Intelligence right before he's then
sent to the Washington Post to sort of control the
narrative in terms of the Watergate scandal, which again it's
like what is deep throat? Yeah, it's a it's a
it's a sort of like uh in my mind, it's
it's this uh again, it's a construct. But it's all
these different voices at the time, which which there are

(02:08:33):
at least it's a it's a sort of I think
there's at least four people that could fall under the
umbrella of what Deep Throat technically represented at that time.
But but at the same time, it's just again, it
was a strategic and convenient, uh way to obviously provide
a source that in reality was just the intelligence apparatus

(02:08:56):
running the more Radford spy scandal, which we're we're conducting
survey lists on the Nickson administration and it's it's fascinating
to see every aspect of By the way, Douglas Caddy
is employed by Mullening Company as well. He's he's I
Howard Hunt's personal private attorney at the time.

Speaker 5 (02:09:12):
And that's what I'm saying, dude, the Mormons don't get
blamed for any of this ship dude nothing.

Speaker 7 (02:09:16):
And he's what for United Fruit. He's up there running
well allegedly you're hitting.

Speaker 4 (02:09:23):
Them first of all, so you're hitting way too many,
too many, uh, you're setting off too many kill Bill
sirns in a brain hole at the moment because all
I has to do with Carl Lender, the thirty thirty
degree freemason out of Cincinnati, Ohio, And that's a little
bit of a different tale together because he's behind all
the Bush machine too as well, et cetera, et cetera.
You know, he owned the Reds, He run basically the

(02:09:43):
city of Cincinnati at one point in time.

Speaker 5 (02:09:45):
His son kind of.

Speaker 7 (02:09:46):
Does you got to send me a couple of things,
because I'm about I'm gonna have to. At this point,
you've convinced me my next solo project will be the
Society of the Cincinnati.

Speaker 11 (02:09:56):
I have to.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
I like it.

Speaker 13 (02:09:58):
I like it there.

Speaker 4 (02:09:59):
And let me bring us back back to this conversation
her knife for I played this clip from Garrison about
the what he so, what we're looking at in the
film and hair advice is this machination of this deep
state matters of national security, Nazi cult network, right, which
has different faces and stuff too. And that's what Garrison
conds has explained to Carson in a very rudimentary sense.
Very smart man, but he didn't quite have the full

(02:10:20):
understanding because this is sixty eight and by seventy seven,
during during the assassination or not, that's the nineties, during
the House elect Committee on Assassinations, Garrison writes them a
letter it's in the it's in the record, saying if
you solve the wandering bishop situation, you'll solve the Kennedy murder.
Something that affect which again all revolves around you know,
those wandering bishops, Tommy, Jude Baumer, David Berry, Chrisman.

Speaker 5 (02:10:45):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (02:10:46):
That So the wandering Bishops came on to my radar
whenever I was like figuring out the connection there between
the process and the incorporation in Louisiana and and how
much they were fundamental in the FK architecture of the
assassination there and in obviously, uh, what was it five
four for Camp Street? Isn't that what it was? That

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that was, uh, you know the location where all the
intelligence apparatus just sort of flocked to this coincidence ye
offs of naval intelligence in that building. That was one
of my favorite scenes in the in the actual film itself.

Speaker 5 (02:11:22):
That No, it's a great scene. It's and it's very
what was going on down there.

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
As far as that was a basis of operations for
a lot of it spook activity administratively speaking, yes, like
a picture of the headquarters aspect to manage their southern operations,
which is what it was doing.

Speaker 5 (02:11:38):
That's where there are Cuba operations et cetera.

Speaker 7 (02:11:40):
But you know that, I'm sorry. I just wanted to
mention the fact that Henry Lee Lucas right from the
hand of death that you mentioned earlier. Julia She She
He claimed that that basically when he was being trained
in these these various uh, sophisticated techniques in child abduction,

(02:12:01):
in targeted assassinations, you know, just sort of the gambit
in terms of how you would conduct covert operations clandestinely.

Speaker 11 (02:12:10):
In in.

Speaker 7 (02:12:12):
Under the shroud of of secrecy and protection. And and
he was claiming that they had they had these sophisticated
techniques in place where they would obviously know and they
would be tipped off as to when there would be
these flyovers, these aerial flyovers for surveillance purposes by the military,
various uh, you know, officials within the just local officials

(02:12:35):
and authorities and things of that nature. They would get
tipped off anytime there would be a sort of flyover
where they had apparently they had this sort of just
presiding cover operation in place where they would be able
to hide their their footprint from the air right so

(02:12:58):
that way they wouldn't be exposed.

Speaker 5 (02:13:00):
Was basically is.

Speaker 4 (02:13:01):
Set some camouflage things to break up the patterns exactly,
or they would not as technical as it seems to be,
you know, really hide from the aircraft like that.

Speaker 5 (02:13:10):
Exactly. He's right.

Speaker 7 (02:13:13):
But to me, it even lends credibility to the fact
of like the story of James Wesley Howe. This is
what I refer to as like just modern gladiol you know,
in my mind, which is the strategy of tension playing
out domestically.

Speaker 5 (02:13:31):
Utilizing all these programs. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (02:13:34):
And and for me, you witness the fact that apparently
and these claims were made that James Wesley Howe. So
this is all surrounding the Omar Matine Pols night club
shooting right that that occurred and and was very political
as well. And and obviously you had Sadiki Mattine, the
father of the alleged perpetrator, who just shows up the
Clinton rally just right after the event takes place, and

(02:13:56):
he's holding like this sign, what justrategically placed just in
the frame of the camera, uh, for this for this
political rally event to take place. And again it's it's
opposing Trump at the time, which I found very interesting.
But it's also like the terms of of the sign
itself were. Basically it was a complete uh you know,

(02:14:19):
condemnation of Trump, but also like.

Speaker 4 (02:14:22):
This kind of like kind of like Chucky there at
the Vigilant California rally, right exactly.

Speaker 5 (02:14:27):
That's exactly what it was.

Speaker 7 (02:14:28):
That he stages this sort of like a false flag
pretext narrative. But also you know, again he's.

Speaker 5 (02:14:34):
The film or mate was also a whacken hunting point?
Was he not G four S Exactly?

Speaker 7 (02:14:39):
That G four S was you know, obviously the the
the new, the new branded kind of like if.

Speaker 4 (02:14:48):
You're talking Nazis and Deep States, Sir George Wackenhunt, is
that the deep mix.

Speaker 5 (02:14:53):
George w.

Speaker 7 (02:14:54):
Bush ran contra the Cabazon Indian Reservation. Every aspect of
of running the covert operation. She's testing esoteric what they
claim to be esoteric weapons systems like high speed rails
and are not high speed rails. But what what was
the name of the ship there was there was a
specific a weapon that they were actually testing on the

(02:15:16):
caps On Indian Reservation. That is its escaping me at
this moment.

Speaker 4 (02:15:20):
But I mean all these things, I think all these
things fall within these this like you're saying the operation Gladio,
you know, Satanic serial killers, Sataniam Inc. Of the Phoenix
program and the Air American drug trafficking and all come home.
And we see all of those three programs. Colby Squeer's programs,
not not not this Kobe, that's not Bill Kolby. I'm
talking about Bill Colby. We see all his programs that

(02:15:40):
he that he basically invented or was, you know, made
his bones running, right uh, bringing brought home, and again
we see those elements depicted in and around these Nazi
Satanists Colt Fuckers and their and their Golden Fang other
style operations that have embedded all throughout every aspect of
Los Angeles government. Again, that's what has motivated Bigfoot Bjorns

(02:16:01):
and here on his rampage of disruption of those events.
But we also see here if I may bring us back,
the Nazi Satanist stuff in the Manson family murders again
major narrative in this film. In hearrent vice and we
see Sharon Tate, her father, Lieutenant Colonel Paul ta US
Army Intelligence again very spooky. His second great grandfather was

(02:16:24):
Lieutenant Jesse Tate of the Virginia Chapter of the Society
the Cincinnati Wow the only male descendant he is yet
he is still yet to produce. Was in the belly
eight and a half month pregnant of his daughter Sharon.
Tate would have been the hereditary descendant of that bloodline
within the Society of Cincinnati. If you look at the
elimination on that boodline.

Speaker 7 (02:16:43):
It was a fertility death ritual then, right, Like, there's
that in a certain way, do you think, because that
seems to fit the pattern as far.

Speaker 4 (02:16:51):
As I think, it's part of that whole hog effect. Right,
So they're doing the fraternity fertility death ritual. There's a
drug trafficking aspect to it. Yeah, there's a cult sex
tape aspects to these things because they're selling sex tapes
and stuff like that. But there's also a fact that
there's probably a hit. Right, So you got Sea Bring,
you got Folger. That's obviously coke and seabrings and scientologists.
Folger's mother's doing the free clinic stuff. She's deeply involved

(02:17:12):
in the coke and trafficking and trade. They're all doing
process stuff, right, and then you also see the aspect
that this may be a hit also included in that
where they're ending the Tate bloodline and that's in that secret.

Speaker 5 (02:17:22):
Society that started America.

Speaker 7 (02:17:24):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:17:27):
And on that note, also Leno la Bianc if you
want to understand, so I'm I always think, I've always thought,
and I continue to focus with more of my research
and activities here Operation GCD, and I thank you all
of you all to join me here tonight to get
old GCD and the folks of the interwebs is understanding
the victimology, what brought this victim into those circumstances, and
what were the instances in their environment that may have

(02:17:47):
caused that. You look at Leno la Bianca. Yeah, he's
got mob stuff. You know, it's fairly well documented that.
You know, he also bought that home from from Walt Disney,
which is weird, and Disney had that Disneyland launched their
Haunt House, a new museum or new ride that night,
the Haunted Mansion on the night of leninlong Bianca's murder.
And a homeown only owned by Walt Disney. That's not creepy,

(02:18:09):
that's very creepy. So you got the occult stuff there too.
But you also have Leno la Bianca speaking the Nazis
before Project a paper clip. It was called Operation Overcast,
and they were in a camp called Camp Overcast in
southern Bavaria and from July of nineteen forty five to
March of nineteen forty six, the E six Military Police
sergeant in charge of that camp appears to.

Speaker 5 (02:18:31):
Have been Leno La Bianca. Oh my god, what.

Speaker 8 (02:18:37):
I have not heard that one?

Speaker 3 (02:18:39):
Now?

Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
Yeah, well, here's the deal. Here's what I'm at with it.
I say, appears because I've got his unit. He's the
he's again, he's the So I was in the I
retires an East seven master started in the Air Force
Military Police. He was the Army Air Corps Military Police,
a proceeding kind of outfit because the Air Force went
the thing yet. But back then in E six that
was like that was at least with the kind of

(02:19:00):
you know power or you know responsibility to put on
an E seven or E eight because they didn't have
any seven E back then when East six and the
E seven was chief. So you know, I could speak
he would you know in the six there would have
had a lot of responsibilities. He had no ranking sergeants there.
They were on paper assigned to the headquarters unit eight
miles away from Camp Overcast. All I'm saying, is camp

(02:19:20):
overcast had an MP, some MP's garden it and there's
no MPs needed at the headquarters unit eight miles away,
so they're on paper there.

Speaker 5 (02:19:28):
He's the one in charge. I think he knew a
lot about that Nazi program.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
It seems.

Speaker 7 (02:19:33):
It makes sense.

Speaker 3 (02:19:37):
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (02:19:40):
So on that note, when we're talking about Nazis, mafia's
infiltration of governments, colts, drug trafficking in Hollywood, et cetera,
I think Jim Garrison is trying to describe these elements
early on in his investigation when trying to bring any
sort of criminal charges against the whole Kennedy assassination.

Speaker 10 (02:19:58):
Right, I'm telling you, man, the confusion, and don't you
seem to be writing off in all directions.

Speaker 11 (02:20:05):
It seems like it doesn't. Let me ask you right.
Let me ask you first, how many hours ago? I
ask the answer? This list is just one open.

Speaker 10 (02:20:14):
Well, I know that we have the rest of the
program this season. I understand that we can't sit here
and completely re create well fear right on what happens.
But I just wanted to get the penology of the statement.

Speaker 11 (02:20:25):
Let me see, let me put the folks, uh if
I were to say, for example, that an elephant, uh
has a tail, and he's gray, and he has four legs.
But it's possible for somebody to point out just minutes Uh,
you just finished saying open has a tail. Now you
say he has four legs, and now you say he's great.

(02:20:47):
The point I'm making is the feature of these factors
is a is a characteristic of one being, and in
a complex situation like this, it's possible to be standing
of a different point of view and describing different path
For example, we find that m big group.

Speaker 5 (02:21:09):
So it was.

Speaker 4 (02:21:10):
He goes on to provide more details. I think he
does a good description of trying to describe this this
this elephant in America's room, if you will. And you know,
and there's a lot of pushback you got speaking of
his ongoing enterprises, rolled Ronnie Riggs gets a lot of credit,
and not for the right reasons, not the least of
what's starring in a film alongside Mansonite and Lieutenant Bobby
Bosole and Mondo Hollywood.

Speaker 12 (02:21:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:21:30):
Nonetheless, Uh, he blocked, he blocked the poenas of Jim
Garrison's Jim Garrison was trying to extradite I always, I
always say it's Freddy Christmin, but it's not.

Speaker 5 (02:21:38):
It's a different guy.

Speaker 4 (02:21:39):
But he was involved in he was another guy in
one of these uh you know, deep state kind of
assassins like Chrisman working for the aerospace industry.

Speaker 5 (02:21:46):
Again Nazi's right. So he and Garrison was trying to
extradue him from California, and Ronnie Reagan said knew he
was the governor at the time, the same governor that
as we see in the film in Haarentvice, he's the
one who privatizes all the mental health and institutions, which
then is explained in this film as the cult seizing
on it as a profiteering enterprise, which is probably the

(02:22:07):
reason why it did in the first place.

Speaker 7 (02:22:09):
Right, Yeah, I mean that makes it definitely makes sense
as far as especially considering Reagan's role and his administration
as far as the governorship and in California in terms
of the the Danny Castilero's octopus and the promised software scandal,
right and.

Speaker 5 (02:22:28):
Just that alone.

Speaker 7 (02:22:29):
Yeah, and all connects back to the Cabazon Indian Reservation
where it was the rail gun that they were testing,
as far as the esoteric weapon system, one of them
being what they were attempting to develop under the wacken
Hunt Security Corporation while they were running this sort of
strange like uh, they were utilizing the the individuals on

(02:22:52):
the reservation as essentially slave labor, and they're flying in
illegal Mexican nationals to to cook methamphetamine on the reservation.
It was like fascinating what they were all involved in.
And allegedly, according to UH, Michael Rocconnaschutto, who was running
covert operations according to him and then later on kind
of hung out to dry in that concept. They claimed

(02:23:14):
he was running the he was smuggling heroin and he
was cut up in this operation. But in my mind,
this dude was running the heroin smuggling operation on behalf
of the enterprise and was hung out to dry because
he became uh too exposed in reality in terms of
providing the back door into the promised software on the
cabs on Indian Reservation, that's what they claimed happened. Promised

(02:23:36):
software is a case management software allegedly that that right
the the wasn't it the the Hamilton's or some shit
I forget the name of.

Speaker 4 (02:23:44):
It developed by the NSA and fought out between the
scenes there's a lot of spooke fight warfare going on
there that sold public effort.

Speaker 7 (02:23:51):
Right, yeah, it paves the way for Reagan to enter
the White House. Honestly, in many ways, I think this
was just another sort of u uh part of the process,
just as far as like providing his value, you know,
in certain ways.

Speaker 4 (02:24:09):
No literally, because we're kind of shoodos in the Hate
Nashbury with Charles Manson. They they're working at the Street
Theater and the opening night with the Grateful Dead, you know,
the c I A TA A stock bohem engrovers Right again,
this is all a lot of spook shit.

Speaker 7 (02:24:23):
It's all spooky.

Speaker 4 (02:24:23):
It all glows like the sun. There's no way around it, right,
It's fascinating. And when we look at we look at
those machinations. One other aspect we see there is that
Hollywood there's a Hollywood star behind this whole enterprise of
this drug trafficking, right again, Burke Stodger, and he's running.
He's the one who on paper even is running the
looney bend, those newly privatized as they they even mentioned

(02:24:46):
in the film that Reagan privatized.

Speaker 5 (02:24:48):
So what what what uh? What are your all thoughts there?

Speaker 4 (02:24:51):
Julia and not not Bill Colby is in regards to
some of these matters of these looney Bins, because I
saw Julia shaking her head very quickly when I mentioned
the Looney Bins that I know you had some thoughts
we previously discussed in regards to these some of these matters.

Speaker 9 (02:25:05):
Well, I'll let you go first, but I was just
gonna say it's it's because we're covering mental illness and
like the Looney Bins and stuff in our new series.
The next episode, we're going to talk a little bit
more about this. But like mental illness in these Laurel
camps as I call them, where people get sent to

(02:25:28):
get like therapy sessioned or whatever it's they're just like
m k fucking like, they're not here to help you.

Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
It's an industry. This is all I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:25:41):
You can say of the world.

Speaker 13 (02:25:44):
Are you.

Speaker 8 (02:25:47):
Dude?

Speaker 7 (02:25:47):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:25:50):
You know who rest friend was, Yes, Aj Bran, the
leader of the Neo processing Sorry go ahead, sir.

Speaker 8 (02:25:58):
No, it's gonna say. I only know about the Brian
guy because of you. But like that friends what was
it called the Friends of Animals or the fucking animal fuckers.

Speaker 5 (02:26:06):
Of Walmart, best Friends of Animal Society.

Speaker 8 (02:26:11):
And the Ellen de Generous is tight into all that.

Speaker 3 (02:26:14):
But it's all process.

Speaker 5 (02:26:16):
It's all process. And again it's all it's all spook ship.

Speaker 4 (02:26:19):
So you see this dude right here, he worked, He
worked directly for Kissinger's right hand man as an assistant.

Speaker 5 (02:26:25):
This is J J.

Speaker 4 (02:26:25):
Brian party partying at four am with Amanda Bines, you know,
his best friend. This is this is what I you know,
I'm sure Dan Schneider had his rolling her downfall, but J.

Speaker 8 (02:26:39):
Know their names did? I mean she was passed around?

Speaker 5 (02:26:42):
Well, here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (02:26:43):
Here's the deal called I'm I'm of the mindset that
Amanda Bindes is currently the leader of that process.

Speaker 8 (02:26:49):
Because he supposedly died.

Speaker 5 (02:26:50):
Right what he.

Speaker 4 (02:26:52):
Supposedly That she's running a salon sounds very j Sebring
like if you ask me, I mean it's the same.

Speaker 3 (02:27:01):
It's his name stuff a spokesperson for O Zimpic right now.

Speaker 8 (02:27:06):
You get that, you get that yesterday.

Speaker 4 (02:27:12):
So that that dude literally Brian. Yeah, Brian's band was
called the lobbyancause their song was Charles Manson.

Speaker 5 (02:27:20):
Is Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (02:27:22):
And before he's doing this, he gets picked up in
Libya as being doing spook stuff which he was posing
as an art student. And then he before that he
was working for Mormon by the way, uh from Canab, Utah.

Speaker 5 (02:27:35):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (02:27:35):
These are the connections why I think possibly why they're
in Canab today because Kissinger's right hand man, you know,
Bob Cocaine Evans boyfriend, Henry Kissinger, and his right hand
man Brince Gocroft, US Air Force Major General n s
a or national security advisor to three different presidents uh Nixon, Ford, Reagan.

(02:27:59):
And she was he was the Kissinger's assistant there in
the Nixon situation. So again this is this is the
national security state. And then we see his assistant starting
the Neo process cult and that's attong the nose right
in the Hollywood element, we see the Burke Stodger element
there with with Amanda Binds.

Speaker 8 (02:28:19):
Weren't you saying that when we showed the pictures of
that Twin Twin Ray cult guy, you thought he looked
suspiciously like so he dies the year that cult becomes
a thing.

Speaker 4 (02:28:30):
I've I've been communicating with all back and forth on
that same subject, because she was a little bit skeptical
at first, but then she started looking at some of
his photos. The dude, first of all, he's like a
chameleon in the first place. Everybody you look at him,
he's a little bit different. I'm convinced, dude, that dude
in that twin Raised cult is JJ Brian.

Speaker 5 (02:28:46):
He faked his death. Dude. First of all, he's from Portland, Oregon.
He's already got Oregon connects.

Speaker 8 (02:28:52):
I looked into it a little bit more after you
said that, because you just you're not someone to just
pull something out of your ass like that.

Speaker 5 (02:28:58):
I'm not traditionally or I appreciate you noticing.

Speaker 8 (02:29:03):
I think there's something to it. For sure, we'll have
to find.

Speaker 4 (02:29:06):
That it's financed by scientology, to these twin rais are
all financed. So are you familiar with read slacking? Yeah,
we talked about him in that No, I'm my my
apologies or Austin are you are you familiar with read slack?
And then early internet engine you're pioneer fellow. We did
a lot of fraud stuff with a couple of other
fellows scientific type. Yeah, kind of almost an extension of interesting. Okay,

(02:29:30):
go ahead. He's in the mix with the early search engines.
So as along with along with Glenne Maxwell's sister and
her husband who's the son of Jack Parson's number two
Molina from his suicide squad. So they're in the early
machinations of these early search engines read Slackens there in
these scientific scientologists are all over the early machinations of
the interwebs, especially you know, you know, in anything blocking anything.

(02:29:54):
Scientologies developed that because they want to block about you know,
you learn about Xenu or el Ron or some ship,
and then also developed the search engines stuffs with folks
like Red Slacken. Well, his two associates never went to prison,
they went to Oregon and later would finance this this
twin Race cult where this JJ Brian got looks exactly
like the fucking cult leader.

Speaker 2 (02:30:11):
You ask me.

Speaker 8 (02:30:13):
Yeah, the timing is it just it lends everything out.

Speaker 5 (02:30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:30:18):
JJ Brian's death is like, oh, he's thirty eight and
he just died with no cause of death.

Speaker 5 (02:30:22):
He has no funeral.

Speaker 4 (02:30:23):
His grave side is a placard, a temporary paper placter
to a memorial garden.

Speaker 5 (02:30:29):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (02:30:29):
Now he's bang in this porn star chick kutuck and.

Speaker 4 (02:30:34):
Yeah, and his Yeah, his assistant came from the valley
there in Los Angeles. Thenment I found out she gave
him the valley just for general logan, my god, that
she did porn.

Speaker 8 (02:30:42):
That became the theme of the show.

Speaker 4 (02:30:44):
Actually, it's the dead eyes, you know, the it's the
it's the you know, the valley address, you know what
I mean, it's you know, it's the dead, the dead
stare in the eyes.

Speaker 5 (02:30:55):
I'm like, it's the general appearance. If she looks like
a whore, you know she did.

Speaker 7 (02:30:58):
Oh my god.

Speaker 9 (02:31:00):
I just wanted to say, also, since we're talking about
kind of the end of the movie about like the
Laurel encampment.

Speaker 4 (02:31:08):
Where yeah, yeah, I was trying to find I got
the sidetracked on the turgy, but please where on the
metal stuff?

Speaker 5 (02:31:13):
As I try to find that clip, I.

Speaker 3 (02:31:15):
Wanted to say before it escaped me that it reminded
when we see the guy like at the end of
the movie and Joaquin's like talking to him or whatever.
It reminded me of like one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest,
where you just kind of become part of it.

Speaker 9 (02:31:32):
There is no gaping, there is no leaving that they
you're fully like, you're committed at that point.

Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
You know what I mean, That's what Owen Wilson says
to him, right, because he's like, hey man, that can
help you out.

Speaker 5 (02:31:46):
He's like, no, you can't help me out. In fact,
you're gonna get yourself in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 4 (02:31:50):
Trying to help me out, because Awhen Wilson initially wanted
to go see what his wife and daughter were doing
because he faked his death. They thought he was dead.
And remember she comes to see Doc later. So everyone
was coming at different angles and times to come see
Doc to help solve some mysteries, and they all just
happen to coincide, and you know, and you know kind
of right.

Speaker 7 (02:32:09):
It was that conversation where where coy Owen Owen Wilson's character,
right he he He essentially asked the question to to
Joaquin Phoenix, right, suppose your mom was on smack, right,
just in terms of the US. He's explaining the current situation.

Speaker 5 (02:32:30):
We're it's a great way to explain it. Please continue. Yeah,
that's a good scene.

Speaker 7 (02:32:33):
And wouldn't you try to help her? You know, I
just thought it was so funny because Doc was like,
are you saying that the US is somebody's mom? And
that she's strung out on the heroin basically, and and then.

Speaker 4 (02:32:47):
But that's he's trying to explain because you know, because
again he's trying to explain how he got stuck in
that mess, right.

Speaker 7 (02:32:52):
Exactly, because he says, man, I don't belong here man,
like he legitimately like he says that to him when
he's saying that, Oh so, the the members of vigil
in California, whoever you're working for, they didn't buy that
narrative that you just spun to me in terms of
he says, like after he he questions, are you saying

(02:33:13):
that the US is somebody's mom was strung out on
smack that that.

Speaker 4 (02:33:16):
That face aggravated, right, Because he's not getting it right exactly,
he says, Phoenix, he's trying to wrap his brain hole
around his elephant. He's like, see, you work for village
in California, working for the fans over here. You're a
dead saxophone player over here. He's then he finds out
he gets linked in there with Shastafe hepwro So Phoenix
is like, I don't know what's going on man.

Speaker 7 (02:33:34):
Exactly, And he's saying and he brings up Vietnam, right
in this context in terms of like the mother strung
out on heroin, and he says, sending people off to
die in the jungles for no reason. Something is wrong
and suicidal about that that she just can't stop. That
was something that that like that just stuck with me

(02:33:56):
for a moment, because as soon as Doc tries to
make sense of it, you know, as you mentioned, he
gets he gets a little frustrated, and he tries to
explain to him, hey, man, like I don't belong here.
And then he goes on to say after after Doc
asks him, like who who like sets you up with
this organization, you know, Visil in California, if you to

(02:34:19):
work for them, and and uh who set you up
with these people type of thing? And and uh And
that is when he kind of goes into this this
uh uh sort of personal monologue about when he first
started snitching, right, and he talks about how how basically, uh,
he realized in that moment when he first started snitching,
how how people be they they asked all of these

(02:34:42):
various questions that they already knew the answers to, and
it was only because they wanted to hear the answer
outside of their own head.

Speaker 4 (02:34:50):
Right, that's essentially right, because you have this sole trippy
thing of what's going on in his head.

Speaker 11 (02:34:54):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:34:54):
I think that's a really interesting scene.

Speaker 7 (02:34:56):
Especially because the last thing that he says to him
is he essentially says, you better find fat Shasta fe right,
and then he repeaced that I believe as well. And
and uh, especially just understanding that she of course had
had her and uh, Mickey Wolfman, right, had gone missing

(02:35:17):
there after boarding the the Golden Fang.

Speaker 4 (02:35:20):
And you brought that up because I actually have I
have two clips for us to describe exactly that.

Speaker 5 (02:35:26):
The three hour tour. Man, this is great because this
is great with them messing, but there are two characters
mess with.

Speaker 2 (02:35:37):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:35:37):
It was perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:35:39):
Listen, we she's gone, Academy, She's gone, she's gone.

Speaker 5 (02:35:46):
She's out there.

Speaker 6 (02:35:47):
Man, it looked like the window. What tried to open
the door.

Speaker 13 (02:36:01):
I went, she's gone, she's gone.

Speaker 2 (02:36:17):
She's out there, man, she's out there.

Speaker 5 (02:36:19):
She's out there, but she's out there.

Speaker 2 (02:36:23):
Well, it just disappeared, just like a boyfriend.

Speaker 16 (02:36:25):
Mickey and I thought, maybe you think there was a connection,
maybe they took off together. Yeah, she's gone, man, baby,
baby gone.

Speaker 2 (02:36:33):
She disappeared. She went on groovy on us that try
to be fucking professional.

Speaker 3 (02:36:42):
I just just pretend to be professional.

Speaker 2 (02:36:46):
She's gone, She's gone.

Speaker 5 (02:36:49):
It's so exciting about it. Real, that's a great scene
right there.

Speaker 7 (02:36:55):
Mm hmmm. So you're telling you, man, there's something special
about the dynamic. But between all three of those characters, specifically, right,
Josh Brawlin, Benisio and and Joaquin.

Speaker 5 (02:37:05):
But yeah, I enjoyed the hell out of that.

Speaker 7 (02:37:08):
But I definitely feel like every time they have a
direct sort of just anytime they engaged directly with each other,
it seems like it's in a very questionable moment for
the audience to interpret for themselves, you know. And and
that's it's just interesting to me, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
So in regards to where they went, because she's gone, right,
we find out from Benicio del Toro, one of Phoenix's handlers,
if you will, there this marine time lawyer who keeps
coming in with some you know, save his ass and
you know, give him some key details that you know
that that's when he started learning about this Hollywood connection
with the Berks Doodgers. So what were your all thoughts,

(02:37:50):
Colby team peaching, you know, a pair there, if you will.
What are you all thoughts in the Hollywood connection and this?
You know, obviously you all have gone deep in Laurel
Canyon stuff as well, And you know one name that
doesn't necessarily get named, and you know, I'll just give
you a spoilert where.

Speaker 5 (02:38:05):
My brain holds at.

Speaker 4 (02:38:06):
Marlon Brando doesn't often get described in matters with the
Manson narratives, but he was part of that whole crew.
And he also doesn't get described a lot in Laurel
Canyon narratives. He kind of skirts around these things. But
I think a large part the guy we're seeing here
Bert Stodger is Marlon Brando. That's my opinion based on
a lot of character details. But what were your all
stots with some of these Laurel Canyon Hollywood aspects?

Speaker 11 (02:38:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:38:29):
I hadn't put that one together in particular, but that's
a good one. I would say, just the general co
intel pro they're trying to recruit him in the FBI office,
kind of like tongue in cheek.

Speaker 5 (02:38:45):
And then I really do Book of Mormon, right, Yeah,
I really.

Speaker 8 (02:38:50):
Do think Owen Wilson's character was supposed to be in
the Wrecking Crew. I just think there's too many solid
hints for that.

Speaker 5 (02:38:56):
I like it, and run by process in Phil Spector.

Speaker 8 (02:39:00):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (02:39:02):
Met his wife while he was taking a big diarrhea
ship and she was.

Speaker 8 (02:39:08):
That was a very romantic description yet hard on.

Speaker 4 (02:39:14):
We got Burks, I know, right, that was kind of
I mean the first ting I watched, I was like,
that's a bit, that's a bit disturbing you kind of
just forward.

Speaker 5 (02:39:25):
We got Burke's Dodgers owns the Golden Thing ship. But
then he learns that Burke's Dodger runs Chris, Uh, what's
Chris Kylidon? Right?

Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
Chris Kyladon is the name of the Looney the Looney
bind up in Oha. Now that's interesting. There's a couple
of Looney binds in OHI I think that could be
referencing to, not the least of which possibly not at
the Slon Institute.

Speaker 3 (02:39:43):
M hm.

Speaker 5 (02:39:44):
But what are your what was your all take on
the the actual actor here?

Speaker 2 (02:39:47):
Then?

Speaker 4 (02:39:47):
If you weren't thinking of Marlon Brandon before, who did
you have in mind as far as the character representation?

Speaker 8 (02:39:53):
Nobody in particular. I kind of thought it was an amalgamation.
But when you when you describe brand though, kind of
skirting in the Dave McGowan narrative and all that. I'd
never even thought of that, but yeah, he's right in
the middle of all of that ship.

Speaker 4 (02:40:08):
Yeah, McGowan references him and weird scenes inside the canyon,
but he just doesn't get a lot of press and
a lot of other and a lot of other takes
of that scene.

Speaker 8 (02:40:15):
But his reference even is very minimal compared to like
the rat all those guys.

Speaker 4 (02:40:20):
Yeah, more more focused on like the Peter Sellers of
that than uh. Well, Nicholson and Branda were at the hip,
so they share the same driveway. So if you go
to the north part of Laurel Kenny, you had I'm sorry,
the south part of Little Kenny had mohond North part
of Little Kenny, ha mohand drive. Austin could correct me
home my Los Angeles geographical references are Rome. But it's

(02:40:40):
at one end of the Laurel Kenny you got Moholland Drive.
Right off that corner you had living Alice Huxley, and
almost right next door was Jack Nicholson and Marland Brando
and they shared a driveway.

Speaker 3 (02:40:52):
Was it Warren Beatty somewhere in there?

Speaker 4 (02:40:54):
Yeah, Warren Baty, Yeah, not far off that mix. But
and also of note when Philip van At or the
LAPD detective, who again is much I think a character
basis in The Big Foot Bejornson character of Brolin when
he arrested Polanski had this shut toow more month for
that rape of that thirteen year old in nineteen seventy seven.
You know that rap pa Kurt on Nicholson's couch, and

(02:41:15):
it's not often described that cocaine Bob Evans came over
to help clean up the show, but where Brando was
in the mix is often not describing Brando.

Speaker 5 (02:41:23):
There's like four or three or four folks that got
murdered in that.

Speaker 4 (02:41:25):
Home, and as soon as Brando died, Nicholson bought the
property and destroyed the home.

Speaker 7 (02:41:30):
Yeah, that's what I was under the impression that that
was the reason basically that Nicholson had purchased the property itself.
And then also you have all of this context of
Marlon Brando's strange sexual activity where he's just like, you know,
having sex with.

Speaker 4 (02:41:49):
Yeah, you ain't kidding. So he's got like thirteen kids.
Nicholson's got about thirteen kids. I mean Brando, dude, one
of Brando's kids and was Christian got kidnapped by a
bunch of hippies and hit down in Mexico. Brando hired
literally a private detective with a hook for a hand.
I'm not making that ship out. Another one of his son's,
Nico Brande, was best friends with Michael Jackson. There's Brando

(02:42:12):
isn't very.

Speaker 7 (02:42:15):
Michael Jackson. That is too funny, especially considering the security
guard that was involved with Ditty there that that obviously
was was allegedly the one to uh, you know, at
least be present during Michael Jackson's supposed to death right
and uh and and that's very hilarious as far as
the Diddy connection there and and and how much they

(02:42:38):
were seemingly and the the underground tunnel grotto like that
that was happening there with with Ditty as well, which
again it's like, why are these underground tunnel systems coming
up so very often in terms of these networks, especially
in their modern form, like Epstein had something similar, which
is very interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:42:55):
And how about how about p Diddy and Hugh Haffner
over there in the Playboy mansion, you know, they got
tunnels all through there. Again, there's a lot of tunnels
documented in the Weird Scenes book there in the older.

Speaker 5 (02:43:09):
Exactly that that.

Speaker 7 (02:43:10):
Are connecting those very properties that that uh and and
one of them was was what was the name of
of that property that uh uh, the guitarists was was
living in for a time for some of the cabin Yeah, yeah,
the log cabin.

Speaker 13 (02:43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:43:25):
And then you had the double.

Speaker 5 (02:43:27):
That's not just some guitarist. So that's Frank exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:43:29):
He's an what I meant it does not get often
gets not sold because like he's he's responsible for acts
like Alice Cooper.

Speaker 5 (02:43:36):
I mean, so much of his responsible for there.

Speaker 4 (02:43:40):
You got to say, relative to the Manson situation, you
have a lot of crossovers with Captain fuck which was
a sidekick, and Captain bee Feart, which his music was
produced by the Colombo crime family.

Speaker 8 (02:43:52):
He used to fucking like lock his musicians up and sleep,
deprive and starve them.

Speaker 3 (02:43:56):
I didn't know about that, he told me, and I actually,
that's weird.

Speaker 7 (02:44:02):
I've never heard of of of the bf Art connection here.

Speaker 5 (02:44:06):
Yes, Captain Captain, Yes, I think he was underlying rapid,
didn't he.

Speaker 7 (02:44:14):
So he was up there in in like Palmdale where
the all the defense contractors are. Dude, I moved out
here just like in twenty seventeen, trying to make like
the sort of uh you know, social, socioeconomical, uh, kind
of like transition from Northwest Arkansas, which was, uh, you
know that's different.

Speaker 5 (02:44:34):
That's a whole eye opening experience from there from what hell.

Speaker 7 (02:44:36):
Yeah, honestly, I'm grateful just for the the uh, the
perspective gained more than anything. Although I will say there
there are wonderful things about everywhere you live. But you know, essentially,
I will say it was I think it was very
important for me personally in terms of my own philosophy

(02:44:57):
on life in general.

Speaker 5 (02:44:58):
But I did have to. I was forced to move
to the High Desert.

Speaker 7 (02:45:02):
And so that area Lancaster is really near Palmdale, very
close by. And and essentially you're surrounded by defense contractors
right Locking, Locking, Martin, Boeing, raytheon. Every everything is represented there.
And uh, and there's signs everywhere like cancerous chemicals are
are are are present right in in just the pool,

(02:45:23):
right the public pool or whatever, and and they're they're
running all these experiments. You hear like these sonic booms
that shake your apartment occasionally like that was the experience.
I remember. I went out on my run one day.
I was just like going for a job, and I
didn't hear anything until a stealth bomber was legitimately flying
right over me right and then it was just like

(02:45:46):
a deafening sound, and it like blew my mind just considering.

Speaker 5 (02:45:49):
Sometimes, sir, that's the last noise some folks here, That's
what I thought.

Speaker 7 (02:45:52):
I thought, imagine being in a conflict zone, an active
war zone, and this is the last experience you have.
Like that was my instant thought. And uh, and it
gave me a little bit of an additional perspective in
terms of like once again, just like not ever considering
you know, the the sort of on the ground effective

(02:46:13):
consequence playing out and how much it truly is just
the most dystopian vision you could imagine seeing and and
uh and once you witness it yourself, it's a little
bit harder to deny that fact, you know what I'm saying.
And and and in an intelligence community like like Frank
Zappa grew up in with his father so much, you know,
I mean, like the connections in his family.

Speaker 4 (02:46:34):
His wife, Gail Slewman, was in kindergarten class with Jim
Morrison of him a ser So you see these deeper
connections throughout.

Speaker 5 (02:46:40):
All and Elliott Baby, oh my god.

Speaker 7 (02:46:44):
Well she's definitely, uh, such a major part inside that
that sort of the scenes inside the canyon in a way.

Speaker 4 (02:46:51):
But uh, and and a major figure in the process
movement as well, like her associate John John Phillips.

Speaker 5 (02:46:59):
Yes, ma'am, go ahead, No, she's just she's a.

Speaker 3 (02:47:02):
Big witch and physically.

Speaker 4 (02:47:06):
Otherwise absolutely, And her sister has connections to folks like
out in the Santa Sam Colt has documented the Maury
Terry Files, and because you know the councle sister there,
she was also a singer. And again Mama Cass and
John Phillips are documented financing I believe it's called financiers
of the process activity in Los Angeles, and you see
John Phillips being deeply indrawed involved in the cocaine trade

(02:47:29):
well much like his pal Cocaine Bob Evans, both getting
busted for cocaine trafficking. So we see that represented here
with this this Hollywood actor Bert Burke Stodger.

Speaker 5 (02:47:38):
We see them He's got the Golden fangship.

Speaker 4 (02:47:40):
They're going to Polynesia, just saying Marlon Branda has got
a Polynesian island to date, owns a Polynesian island himself
and his trust for his family. In fact, that one
fellow that got murdered by his son in his house
there off of Moholland driving Little Canyon was a member
of the Polynesian French Polynesian royal family. So uh, a
lot of weird stuff there. But we see them being

(02:48:00):
involved in the drug trafficking and this larger enterprise of
hood ratchet activity of this this cult network and tyranny,
if you will. But you know, it's often I think
one thing I think folks don't often consider, and I
think it's one thing that easily, you know, kind of dismisses. Yeah,
Tom Cruise is involved in spook stuff. Were Yeah, Marlon
Brando is importing cocaine, you know what I mean? Or yeah,

(02:48:21):
Garth Brooks is a serial killer.

Speaker 5 (02:48:22):
But you know what, sometimes I think these things are
reasonable conclusions.

Speaker 7 (02:48:29):
Yeah, I think that. I mean, just knowing the strange
connections there between Mama Casts and Terry Melcher and John
Phillips and Abigail.

Speaker 5 (02:48:37):
Folger and they're all like, what was it? It was
it MDA.

Speaker 7 (02:48:40):
I'm trying to remember now the substance that allegedly there
was this huge Yeah, there was a huge falling out
allegedly and one of the key the key distributors that
had an intelligence background that was providing the MDA to
Abigail Folger and the Mama Cast network through her house
where a lot of this was happening. Apparently, go ahead,

(02:49:04):
No was his name was Puck?

Speaker 2 (02:49:06):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:49:06):
Yeah? Yeah, I believe that was the name.

Speaker 2 (02:49:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:49:08):
And we see here then and when he when he when? When?

Speaker 7 (02:49:15):
When Doc goes to that crash pad for the spooks
in in uh to Panga Canyon, the first thing he
sees is is a skinhead with a with a swastika
on his jean jacket, right, Like, isn't that.

Speaker 5 (02:49:28):
This guy there too? If you see him in the background,
he's closing the door there, y is always there.

Speaker 7 (02:49:34):
And by the way, didn't you recognize the sort of uh,
the final supper right, the Lord that was essentially taking
place in a way like, yes, the symbology you have
the symbolic nature of that.

Speaker 5 (02:49:48):
Scene with eating pizza.

Speaker 7 (02:49:50):
Yes, you consider the idea of what we talked about
privately before the show started about how Paul Thomas Anderson,
the director himself. Uh then then went on to to, uh,
you know, obviously, uh just creating and produce the and
and direct the film known as a as a Licorice Pizza, right,

(02:50:11):
and and that to me it seemed like something it's
very creepy in terms of at least the pedophilic symbology.
But at the same time, I think, uh, the plotline
of that film is, like I mentioned, very it makes
you very uncomfortable, you know what I mean. It seems
as if it's it's like, uh, in a way, it's

(02:50:32):
sort of like a pedophile's magnum opis. It reminded me
of Leon the professional and certain aspects of it, right,
which you remember that strange Natalie Portman film with that
hit Man.

Speaker 5 (02:50:42):
So so it feels like the director was a straight
up pedophile.

Speaker 4 (02:50:47):
It's almost as creepy as the time Brookes Shields played
a ten year old prostitut in Hollywood film and they
put her in Playboy Naked as a ten year old
that really had almost Yeah, that happened.

Speaker 5 (02:50:57):
That's the real thing.

Speaker 3 (02:50:58):
She was in the Sugar and Spice edition.

Speaker 5 (02:51:02):
It was in their French director who did these things.
So my god, but I like, what does that sir?
I think his n I think his name is bull
Sheet Bulls.

Speaker 3 (02:51:13):
Yeah, that makes ten year old.

Speaker 4 (02:51:17):
So we're seeing the machinations of all this whole network
of this cult, these Nazis, the and Yah Queen Phoenix's
character is starting to understand it when he visits the
Booby Hatch that Japonica Fenway got sent to, you know,
the powerful attorney their daughter, who gave him his first
job to find her, you know, a couple of years prior.
We see all that kind of coalescing here towards the

(02:51:37):
end of the film in the Chris Kalodon, which is
this Loune the Booby Hatch up in Ohai, the Looney Bend,
and it's run by Book Burke's Dodger where they literally
have a theater in this clip just previous to the scene,
they have a theater that plays twenty four to seven
Burke's Dodger films.

Speaker 5 (02:51:54):
How is that not some sort of hypnotic programming Exactly.
You've to see the doctor.

Speaker 4 (02:52:00):
He walks into the theater and he's immediately reciting the
line from the film It's and it says, you get
out of here comedy or whatever that is.

Speaker 7 (02:52:07):
Right, God, I'm gonna have to rewatch the the because
I only got about halfway again on my rewatch, so
I'm gonna have to watch the rest of it tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:52:16):
Honestly, y'all remember that scene, He's like Alexander Graham Bell
was an American. He invented this telephone, You comedy bastard. Yeah, yeah,
So it is that whole red scare thing, and again
that the Burke's Dodgers. As you know, Benicio del Tora
explains in one scene, he's trying to get back in
the good graces of Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (02:52:34):
And the American government.

Speaker 4 (02:52:36):
That's why he's financing this shit because he got Allston
from being a comedy will So did so did Marlon Brando.

Speaker 5 (02:52:43):
You know who got Marlon Brando back in Hollywood? Old cocaine.
Bob Evans.

Speaker 3 (02:52:48):
Interesting, very interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:52:51):
So we see that. We see that parallel too.

Speaker 4 (02:52:53):
But I do like this scene because they're also going
to say, like, oh, pay no attention to the man
with the like I was saying with the Keno. These
are not the sating thats you're looking for, Jedi mind
trick jacquein Phoenix. That is not a man with a
Nazi tattoo on his face. Yeah, he's an ancient Hindu symbol, right, Yeah,

(02:53:14):
why not turn around and sell them a program to
help kick There's a whole effect too.

Speaker 17 (02:53:20):
As much revenue coming and going, American life was something
to be escaped from the cartel could always be sure
of a bottomless pool of new customers.

Speaker 7 (02:53:32):
I love on Wilson's face in this.

Speaker 5 (02:53:36):
He freaks out. He's like, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 8 (02:53:38):
Fuck?

Speaker 5 (02:53:39):
Yeah, they're Shasta face high right, the.

Speaker 7 (02:53:42):
La on Buck Beaverton, right, isn't that yeah, old Buck
Beaverton crazy?

Speaker 5 (02:53:57):
Hm.

Speaker 7 (02:54:00):
This reminds me a son of Sam.

Speaker 5 (02:54:02):
I'm honestly right, very you know, kind of ritualistic aspects to.

Speaker 6 (02:54:06):
All this Thris face, No, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (02:54:11):
That's an ancient Hindu symbol. It brings good fortune, luck
and well being. What do you mean? No, that look
like a swaster. I mean he isn't a regular employee
at the institute. Perhaps you should pay no attention.

Speaker 7 (02:54:34):
To that man.

Speaker 5 (02:54:37):
It's all twisted up too. Don He's like, oh, no
attention to that man.

Speaker 4 (02:54:40):
So we see again, like everything's kind of coalescing in
there's old cocaine Bob and Henry Kissinger. You know JJ,
Brian's boss best My god.

Speaker 8 (02:54:49):
Man, Hey, JJ, have you ever seen that Comedy Central
cartoon Kid Notorious? I love that cartoon, So you have
seen it? Every time you mentioned cocaine by I want
to ask if you know about it?

Speaker 4 (02:55:01):
So there he got the cocaine cocaine induced idea to
make a cartoon about his life, literally his true life,
according to him. So his next door neighbors Slash from
Guns n' Roses is a star in it. I think
he's got a talking cat, right, you know what I mean,
He's a he's got a Butler situation.

Speaker 5 (02:55:18):
It's real weird, but it's right. It's it's it gets
you right in the it.

Speaker 4 (02:55:22):
It paints a great picture inside the cocaine field mind
of old Bob Robert Evans here, who by the way,
hails from Westchester County, New York.

Speaker 5 (02:55:30):
It's a real dent of iniquity there. Wow, Which one
is Bob the shirtless bastard?

Speaker 4 (02:55:37):
I don't want I don't know what happened before after
this picture, but that's the man who brings us the
national security state. Henry Kissinger, whose right hand man Brince
Gocroft would then produce one of these new process colts
there with JJ Bryan.

Speaker 7 (02:55:51):
Telling you, man, it's if you know just how well
connected the Henry Kissinger's of the world truly are, you
know what I mean. It's just like I remember whenever
I covered I believe it was the Pilgrim Society and
the Anglo American establishment reminds me, honestly of just like, uh,

(02:56:11):
they need an Anglo white man on the strip, right essentially,
you know, That's what it reminded me of. But but yeah,
I mean, what are what are the sort of loyalties
and affiliations for the fraternal organizations that they belonged to.
I mean, you see the Henry Kissingers of the world

(02:56:31):
and they're members of of the these.

Speaker 13 (02:56:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:56:38):
And if the Pilgrim Society stund started by US Center
from New York, Chauncey Depew a hereditary member of the
Society of the Cincinnati. But please continue, yes.

Speaker 7 (02:56:48):
Which that's another reason why, because like when I did
the Pilgrim Society episode, I consistently continued to obviously come
up against this this real ring the Society of the
Cincinnati that I couldn't seem to uh yeah, yeah, I
couldn't seem to just find my way just it was

(02:57:09):
very interesting. It consistently came up and again Knights of
Malta member Alexander Haig, who was very much involved with
Henry Kissinger as well.

Speaker 4 (02:57:18):
And I think that yeah, so, I think what you're
describing is what I describe as the anti liberty faction
of the Society of the Cincinnati's feuding factions, and they
manifested very incapacities.

Speaker 5 (02:57:27):
But the British invasion is a good way to put it.
With the Pilgrim Society.

Speaker 4 (02:57:31):
Would you believe a founding member of the Processed Church
is the daughter of a hereditary member of the Society
of Cincinnati out of the South Carolina chapter. His name
is Satan Drakeon Astor Drayton. His first cousin, His first
cousin was the financier of the Church of Satan in
the benefactor to Anton LEVAYU.

Speaker 7 (02:57:51):
Wait wait, wait, what was this guy's name? His name
was Satan for real?

Speaker 4 (02:57:56):
Yeah, well his name was John Astor Drayton. He's a
He's a Gatston Drayton, Astro Fellaws.

Speaker 7 (02:58:01):
So the ass he's an ast Yeah, who's the Astor
that was in the hundred and seven Prominent Names in
Epstein's Black Book. It was one of they were a
Pilgrim Siety member. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:58:16):
Keep and I'm not sure on that one.

Speaker 7 (02:58:18):
Dude, It's fascinating, but go ahead keep talking, because well.

Speaker 4 (02:58:21):
His cousin Astor was married to this fellow named Boovier.
He was the heir to the Vicars gun manufacturing company
who financed LaVey's hero, which was his fellow by the
name of Basil Zarhoff who was this international gun trafficker,
and say, and uh, you know, cult fucker. So he
was in competition. Some folks claim he was the most

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wicked man in the world, not Crowley. So the folks
that financed him was this Vicker's fortune, the heir to
that was the who by by the Oners. He calls
it an autobiography. It's written by his second wife, Blanche Barton.
But LaVey's autobiography says that's who financed and was an
You remember, was this boovi Ar Fellaw who was the
heir to that Vickers company. And Levey's says himself numerous

(02:59:06):
times how he venerates his Basil zar Haf fella.

Speaker 5 (02:59:09):
So again that was bad. That's who financed. Basles are off.

Speaker 4 (02:59:12):
So Bouvier's wife is asked, this Aster lady whose first
cousin's Astor with Satan Astor Drayton and Satan Aster. Drayton's
daughter married Timothy Wiley. Timothy Wiley's the Fozzy the Bear
guy up here, I think, because who Timothy Wiley is.
That's Robert that's up at the Grimston. That's Timothy Wiley's
best friend up at to Grimston.

Speaker 3 (02:59:32):
Ny have you watched Archive eighty one on Netflix.

Speaker 5 (02:59:37):
I've never heard of it, ma'am.

Speaker 9 (02:59:39):
Well, we should cover it for Halloween because a lot
of these names you're mentioning, they used those names in
Archive eighty one. They even use like the apartment that.

Speaker 3 (02:59:51):
They moved into is called the Vickers and that like
a lot of the characters their names are like the names.

Speaker 2 (03:00:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:00:02):
And they have this big DNA collection thing going on.

Speaker 3 (03:00:05):
Yeah, they have like an ancestry DNA. Come on, you
need to watch it. I may Colby watch it. It's incredible,
it's good.

Speaker 4 (03:00:15):
I appreciate the recommendation that will check it out. As
I mentioned, man, I'm gonna be doing every film review
in Halloween or month of October's horror Halloween focused.

Speaker 5 (03:00:24):
So we'll be all, I have that one to the
list because.

Speaker 4 (03:00:26):
I don't have a lot. I don't do a lot
of horror and Halloween stuff. So, oh, you'll like to
I appreciate your recommendation on that one.

Speaker 3 (03:00:31):
Yeah, actually, Austin, you would probably dig it to our
chive eighty one.

Speaker 7 (03:00:36):
Unless I'll check it out for sure, because I'm definitely
always interested to see if there's some sort of value
in modern Hollywood these days.

Speaker 3 (03:00:46):
You know, that's a good one sometimes, right, sometimes a
good one.

Speaker 7 (03:00:51):
By the way, it was the name, and I probably
should jet within the next fifteen minutes, just so you
guys know.

Speaker 4 (03:00:56):
No, that's perfect, I got I got two more clips.
I was just gonna say, let's bring this in for
landing because I got at we got is.

Speaker 7 (03:01:04):
Willing if you're if you're ever interested, do a follow
up on a part two or something, because there's still plenty.
But but uh, anytime, I definitely think that uh one.
Oh and by the way, I just pulled it up.
It was the so it was asked, so it was Waldorf,
William Waldorf Astor the third, the fourth, Viscount Astor is

(03:01:26):
apparently who was on the the specifically on the Epstein list,
which I found very interesting.

Speaker 8 (03:01:32):
But the air of the Waldorf school guy, uh, that's.

Speaker 7 (03:01:38):
What the claim is here in terms of of his background,
which not at all. Is that surprising, honestly.

Speaker 8 (03:01:45):
And like one other guy too was in that. He's
shady as fucked too. And I always thought the Waldorf
schools system was like pretty cool. But he got a
wonder Now.

Speaker 9 (03:01:56):
That's a descendant from the Astors, and I can't remember
who it is now, but they changed their last name.

Speaker 4 (03:02:02):
Speaking a lady that was the wife of the financier
for the Church of Satan. She's the daughter of John
Jacob Astor, the fourth from the Titanic.

Speaker 5 (03:02:09):
I saw it in the check.

Speaker 4 (03:02:10):
I gonn that too, yeah, which is where story Oregon
is named after where the goonies are from.

Speaker 3 (03:02:17):
Oh my god, a story of really.

Speaker 4 (03:02:20):
Yeah, that's the or John Ticcobash of the fourth and
is his fur trading corporation.

Speaker 3 (03:02:25):
Fuck me, dude, is there nothing sacred?

Speaker 4 (03:02:29):
They all know each other, they all know each other,
but in this and this scene is we're getting to
a close here. I thank you, thank you all for
joining them here to get a little g C. D.
In the folks of the interwebs. This is possibly my
favorite scene. But we see the whole Golden Fang thing
getting mess. They're kind of poking each other around the
matters of the Golden Fang and some very capacities. But
we uh see Browin kind of really starting to lose

(03:02:51):
a ship here.

Speaker 5 (03:02:52):
You know, he.

Speaker 2 (03:03:10):
Case tuk quite as good as my mother's. But what
I really know, respect.

Speaker 5 (03:03:21):
Oh, it was a short and clip, but.

Speaker 4 (03:03:24):
I thought he had I thought he had the little
note card game he played there, because's when he plays
the note card and he finds Puck Beaverton card and
he sets him up for the shootout with Puck Beaverton.
But he's not done messing with old Doc there, is
he Because after the shootout, Doc comes to after getting
drugged in a in a gunfight, after getting kidnapped, right,
he finds himself on Bigfoot. There's a loading some of

(03:03:44):
that old china white it looks like in the trunk
of his car.

Speaker 7 (03:03:48):
Dude, I know, right, and and honestly I wondered because
again it's like that was that was the the sort
of only tool that he could he could potentially use
to help free Owen Wilson or Koy Right that Owen.

Speaker 4 (03:04:05):
Wilson's character, well, that's what he's doing, right, He's like,
even though he doesn't realize it yet, he's thinks he
just put him on, he has put him in danger,
but he's been orchestrating the entire thing, and that is
the last thing to orchestrate, is the But.

Speaker 7 (03:04:17):
That makes me feel like it's even more possible.

Speaker 8 (03:04:22):
Yeah, Ud, Like, honestly you're saying that I do want
to watch it again with all that in mind.

Speaker 3 (03:04:27):
Doesn't that make Benissio's character a figment.

Speaker 8 (03:04:31):
Of everything through his perspective, or it could be a
scenario where he is both of them exactly.

Speaker 3 (03:04:40):
You remember the scene like when he the first scene
we see Benissio, I forget his name in the movie,
but he comes to walking Phoenix at the.

Speaker 7 (03:04:51):
Police interrogated first and Bigfoot's like and he's like, uh,
you're gonna kick him? Yes, yeah, for sure, You're definitely right.

Speaker 8 (03:05:04):
As far as I can't, I can't think of a
scene other than when the wife's in the background during
the phone calls, where it's they're interacting with anybody else side.

Speaker 7 (03:05:15):
Right, or the sun pouring the whiskey for him as
well when he's on the phone too. That's another thing.

Speaker 4 (03:05:21):
But I mean you all were capturing one of the
elements I love about this film. And again it's captured
also in this this clip here. Everything is a dream, right,
I mean that is this is the nature of the film, right,
you see you see this ongoing theme right.

Speaker 12 (03:05:42):
The rally California.

Speaker 4 (03:05:44):
Everything is kind of hazy in every scene. Right, this
is that scene where he's going through the little House
of the Nazis.

Speaker 7 (03:05:50):
Yeah, there's this frost conjack anything that might be a threat, but.

Speaker 5 (03:05:54):
I mean everything is kind of hazy, Like the narrators
kind of giving this kind.

Speaker 2 (03:05:57):
Of dream.

Speaker 7 (03:05:59):
When he said there with Owen and they're having the
conversation with between the two characters, they're whispering, trying to
act at first, they're using coded language as if he's
trying to sell him a car or he's following up
on some sort of like private car sales, uh, you know.

Speaker 5 (03:06:15):
To figure out the late model of the car and stuff.

Speaker 13 (03:06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:06:17):
Yeah, But the person that walks behind them during that,
they're the glass behind them. But that was like no way.
The guys staring straight at them. You can't see his
face very well, but he's suited. It's like a It
felt like a fed and surveiled.

Speaker 4 (03:06:37):
Oh that's interesting. Well maybe that's why they're they're whispering
to each other because he's playing a rolling stone if
you will, you know where they turn rolling turntables or
something like that, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they but
you know and Ellen Wilson's that's the band he used
to play with, and they're like, oh no, one remembers me.

Speaker 5 (03:06:54):
They got too much dopers.

Speaker 4 (03:06:57):
What I'm saying, the whole thing is casting this whole
every like the dialogue, the scenes, we're talking amnesia. Everyone has,
I mean, the whole thing has got a dream state.

Speaker 17 (03:07:10):
He always mischievous spirit forces just ass the threshold of
human perception.

Speaker 3 (03:07:14):
That's the time I watched it. I told Colne that
was to just keep driving.

Speaker 17 (03:07:24):
Has long beach down to one?

Speaker 4 (03:07:26):
Yeah, I mean it's uh again, I think you are
describing again what I one of the elements I love
about the film. Yeah, and there's a lot to be
said about whether or not what is really again I'm
not three watch too to get to look at more
of these elements of the same character. I'm familiar with
the theory, but I haven't watched it enough to really
put all the mash that together. But you know, we
see all this really after the shootout and everything and

(03:07:46):
the dope, he goes back to his apartment and he's
waiting for that phone call to come someone to come
collect that dope before he negotiates Owen Wilson's release from
this network. Because we learn everything that that like get
Jim Garrison was saying, all those different parts of the
and it's all the same creature. We find old Japonica
Fenway's dad, that very powerful attorney who again I think
I don't recall them man's name, my brain hole, but

(03:08:09):
there's a Pacific Palisades, very dark attorney fellow that helped
Charles Manson a couple of times. And that's who this
Parker Fenway fella reminds me of. I'm sorry, Crocker Fenway.

Speaker 13 (03:08:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (03:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (03:08:20):
He said he said it's like a gang, and once
you're in, you're in for life, right, wasn't that the
way he described it?

Speaker 13 (03:08:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (03:08:29):
Yeah, And and that was like it that's so telling
in terms of the network. That's why Jeffrey Epstein died,
at least if he died, I mean, he might be.

Speaker 4 (03:08:41):
I guess it's possible, exactly. I was gonna say it
because I was I was gonna ask all three all
here to this. What I mean, how can any of
these things go on when anything we've described here tonight
and this movie is depicted without these bullshit attorneys. When
I say bullshit attorneys, you know these are the dark
forces that are really making the wheels move in these things, right,
I mean, if you don't have these folks getting folks
out of prison, keeping them out of prison, doing weird

(03:09:03):
legal stuff in the in the mix, and like, how
else do these networks survive?

Speaker 5 (03:09:07):
Right without?

Speaker 8 (03:09:08):
And what happens to the best attorneys?

Speaker 7 (03:09:11):
Hmmm?

Speaker 8 (03:09:12):
They become politicians.

Speaker 7 (03:09:16):
Or they become Alan Dershowitz, and they spend their lifetime
defending stuff.

Speaker 5 (03:09:21):
I'm there's a lot to be said about that man.
I'm like a lot of you.

Speaker 4 (03:09:25):
I've read some of his stuff. He was the ten
youngest tender professor of constitutional law there specifically of law,
but in focus on constitutional on Harvard. He his legal
arguments are bullshit. Like I'm I'm not an attorney. I'm
also not the vice President. But I could write a
better League argument than Alwiz.

Speaker 7 (03:09:41):
I'm telling you, man, that guy is is one compromise
and it's so obvious. I mean, he's out of here
claiming galaans a victim of Epstein and she deserves a pardon.
And that was long before it was like in vogue
to have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (03:09:55):
Just how about this one? I know you're a spot
honestor how about this one in the same regard. I
just did a shit the other night on how I
met the unibomber Soda, which is my tales of my interactions.

Speaker 5 (03:10:04):
You worry about the unibomber.

Speaker 4 (03:10:06):
Well, I mean, say, one of my dudes is from Lincoln, Montana,
and when I met him into the Air Force basic
training and we were in police academy. We both got
stationed in Montana together, and then he got married sort
of thereafter. I was a groomsman in his wedding. So,
and that was about a year year after the trial
and three years after the arrest.

Speaker 5 (03:10:23):
Are so right?

Speaker 4 (03:10:24):
So in ninety six to ninety nine, uh, and so
I had a lot of questions about the times in
the small, very small town in the mountains of Montana,
about old Ted there, So it started opening my eyes.

Speaker 5 (03:10:33):
As the subject. There's a lot of that was bullshit.

Speaker 4 (03:10:35):
But would you believe the same Defense Council, Federal Defense Council,
she keeps getting shipped all around these cases from you
name it? I mean she you know the Jeredley Loffner,
Ted Kazinski. Uh, you named Zacharies Mussawi. They just moved
this federal defender, lady.

Speaker 10 (03:10:53):
Clark.

Speaker 2 (03:10:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (03:10:54):
They just keep moving Judy, Judy Clark. I think they
just move her around all these different cases. I'm like, well,
how is this not more obvious to folks? It wasn't
more obvious to me until I looked at him. I'm
just saying, like, she, how is this one attorney, She's
a federal public defender. She keeps getting shifted to all
these different cases. It makes no sense. No, that is

(03:11:15):
a bombing guy. Zoe Carr's sarn't off she was his attorney.
I think she did a homeboy in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (03:11:23):
Shoot. They just keep moving this lady around. Dude.

Speaker 7 (03:11:27):
That's that's interesting to me because I mean, now, honestly,
I would have loved to have been a pen pala
of Kazensky's. Apparently he was very responsive, which is hilarious,
but uh, yeah, I mean it was clear that he
was like separated as an infant from his his family,
and like, I think that was a part of the
of of what you would do.

Speaker 5 (03:11:46):
And again, by the.

Speaker 4 (03:11:47):
Way, like I know that, I know that is the
prevailing narrative, and that was one of the things I
was questioning, is what do we know? So we were
given this archive of documents saying that he read all
these letters. We're given a manifesto that they declared he
wrote the butcher of Waco was the one forcing the
Washington Post to print that.

Speaker 7 (03:12:04):
Good old Janet. Huh, that's the when you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (03:12:08):
Yeah, a lot of questions there, but you know, and
again like the evidence against him not it really wasn't
any They're like, oh, look we found this gray hoodie
in his cabin along with some chemicals and the man
and a cop and early draft of the manifesto. I'm like, oh,
this is ridiculous because then you look at the search
warrants and how that worked out, and then they they
wall fared him and stuff like that. I think the
letters trying to fire them attorneys and they wouldn't let

(03:12:30):
them fire them.

Speaker 5 (03:12:31):
Do not let me fire your own attorney. Like the
whole the whole.

Speaker 7 (03:12:35):
Case is is just ridiculous, honestly. I mean even the
letters themselves I think were written by multiple people.

Speaker 5 (03:12:41):
Right, that was like I think so, dude, I think so, And.

Speaker 7 (03:12:44):
I think it was It was like it was the
perfect example of of how multiple spooks would come together
and try and fashion a letters in order for a
certain agenda to be achieved. You know. But but again
it's like the idea of what you could accomplish, and again,
and it lends back to this sort of point of
the Nazi breeding experiments, as far as if you're going

(03:13:05):
to separate an infant child from their mother and at
least for like extended periods of time and some sort
of abuse. You know, at the very least, it seemed
as if as an infant he was already being like
experiencing forms of abuse, right, And that alone is interesting.
But then you consider the idea of if you wanted

(03:13:27):
to actually have some sort of constant supply of undocumented
children in order to conduct experiments on that, this would
clearly be a plausible avenue to pursue as far as
that would be concerned, and and I believe that something
for certain happens in terms of we had mentioned before,
this sort of pedophile, you know, dynastic familial factor that

(03:13:51):
plays plays into so many of these.

Speaker 4 (03:13:53):
I think that's huge in it, right, And yeah, I
think that's no the generational aspect, right. I mean, I
think Julia and Cole we will agree that this seems
to be an ongoing pattern of behavior as far as
folks are born into it. Again, it's like to play
who is your daddy and what does he do? At
least of which the paternal nature of the society of Cincinnati.
But we see Japonica Fenway, she was born into it.

Speaker 8 (03:14:14):
Real quickly. You play that game. Have you ever looked
at Hugh Hefner and Bill Maher.

Speaker 4 (03:14:20):
I am now I have actually, and I've thought of it, sir,
And now I'm gonna highlight that as one of my
future ones.

Speaker 5 (03:14:24):
I think you're onto something with that.

Speaker 8 (03:14:26):
They look a lot of it's got legs. Yeah, oh
my god, look.

Speaker 4 (03:14:31):
Boring to it because I don't know who who they
claim his father is, but I'm sure I can find
some sort of question.

Speaker 8 (03:14:36):
Yeah, it was like a TikTok thing I saw.

Speaker 5 (03:14:38):
You know, They look a lot alike, don't they.

Speaker 8 (03:14:40):
They look a lot like And he's he frequented. I
mean he's still might. I don't even know what the
status of the mansion is. But he was one of
the you know, every weekend her kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (03:14:50):
Uh wow, absolutely, dude. And he also has it. His
production company was kid Love Productions.

Speaker 7 (03:14:57):
God, no way, it's like for every young production from Pizzagate. Man,
it's like what it is, dude.

Speaker 5 (03:15:04):
And speaking of Pizzagate, Bill Maher those first right before
he like a month where he started his production company,
he made a movie called Pizza Man where he attacked
Donald Trump as this under underground organized crime enterprise focused
around pizza delivery.

Speaker 8 (03:15:20):
What the f How have I not heard of that one?

Speaker 5 (03:15:23):
Well, I don't know, sir.

Speaker 4 (03:15:24):
I did a nicolet n esoteric review on it about
eight or nine months ago because someone someone had sent
some folks to the interweb sent it to me because
they thought one of the characters in there was named
Vance because the Wikipedia, the source of all information on
the interwebs, said so, and fair enough it did say that. However,
once I watched film. The guy's name is Vince, but
I watched it anyway and did a review on it.

(03:15:44):
What the hell that's crazy, dude. Michael Milliken's one of
the villains in it. It's a very fascinating movie from
nineteen ninety one. It's a cinematic masterpiece.

Speaker 8 (03:15:55):
Sounds like a straight to Cinemax kind of movie.

Speaker 5 (03:15:58):
Yeah, it's it's fucking terrible.

Speaker 4 (03:16:00):
But he starts Kid Love Productions immediately following that movie,
and it's got a it's got a lot of heavy connotations.

Speaker 7 (03:16:09):
If you consider if you consider that with you said
kid Love Productions, Kid Love Productions, you you put that
directly and just as far as consider the idea of
of forevery young productions as I mentioned, right, and and uh,

(03:16:30):
what was it Harry Welch Junior, who was the owner
and father of Edgar Madison Welch right, who who.

Speaker 5 (03:16:41):
Right exactly?

Speaker 7 (03:16:42):
Who went into comment ping pong pizza shot up the
one hard drive. They claimed that wasn't exactly his intention.
And then he he just goes out there and like
hangs out casually, has a conversation with the authorities before
they apprehend him. And and he had just struck someone
with his car after returning from Haiti during the.

Speaker 4 (03:16:59):
Fucking you know, his father ran out Clinton connected Haiti nonprofits.

Speaker 7 (03:17:05):
Exactly, and it's it's crazier than that.

Speaker 5 (03:17:07):
Yeah, he's what was it called?

Speaker 7 (03:17:10):
It was, Uh, it was Harry Welch Junior. The father
was running.

Speaker 11 (03:17:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:17:15):
He was executive director of Protect a Child. That was
literally what it was called.

Speaker 7 (03:17:20):
And this was the nonprofit that was allegedly meant to
prevent abuse and abduction of children specifically in Haiti. And
Laura Silsby sitting there getting caught obviously uh, procuring children
and and and uh and trafficking them across the Haitian border.
And then she gets incarcerated and caught and and Bill

(03:17:41):
Clinton himself as a fly to Haiti and and and
essentially get her released, and then she's brought back to
the US and placed on the Amber alert system.

Speaker 13 (03:17:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:17:52):
That that's the that's the twist, right there, Isn't that
the that gets so crazy?

Speaker 11 (03:17:56):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:17:57):
Yeah, Well the attorney she hired her there was already
a convicted deddler. Yeah, I know, I forgot about that.
Uh uh sort of layer to this story. Wikipedia entry
is the most egregiously long. It's like a CVS receipt
of Wikipedia entries. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (03:18:13):
Dude, but.

Speaker 8 (03:18:18):
I said, he's very important, obviously very important.

Speaker 4 (03:18:23):
Well you know, he is available for free on YouTube
and folks checking out there. But if we may close
this out on Bill Meyer and his Kid Love Productions,
who I'm sure he hired attorney to incorporate these matters.
Could not successfully do that without these creepy ass fucking attorneys.
And then we see that as one of the main
figures behind his dark enterprise here in the film right
with the Japonic Fenway's.

Speaker 2 (03:18:44):
Dad definitely mister yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:19:02):
Mhm, real stiff meeting, right m two, peaceful resolution.

Speaker 7 (03:19:13):
He does seem like an eyes wide shut type right.

Speaker 5 (03:19:16):
Right, And he's got his daughter involved in all.

Speaker 4 (03:19:18):
You know, I'm glad you said that because we can
see right here he's not upset that his daughter's.

Speaker 5 (03:19:25):
Being tricked out in this environment.

Speaker 4 (03:19:27):
He's upset he's she's it's happening to her in a
very tacky manner in some hotels that you know, in
the Odonti's conventions, right, that's.

Speaker 5 (03:19:35):
What he's buttered about about the music guy. Listen, yeah, dude,
he's and he wants a fancy or rape environment for.

Speaker 7 (03:19:44):
His could reflect upon the family.

Speaker 11 (03:19:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (03:19:48):
Look, they're they're Fenways, and the Fenways are gonna get
raped in a proper environment, is what he had.

Speaker 5 (03:19:53):
They at least better get raped.

Speaker 4 (03:19:54):
He's not he's not against the I mean, he's the
one senator the looney band she keeps escaping. He's not
offended by the He's offended by the nature of what
she's being raped, environment, what's being done.

Speaker 7 (03:20:05):
It's just natural for them to sacrifice their children at
a certain level. I mean, in terms of like the
path to power and prominence, it has to be.

Speaker 3 (03:20:14):
They find it honorable what they do.

Speaker 9 (03:20:17):
And I mean I was gonna mention this way earlier,
but when we brought up Henry Lee Lucas fucked his mom, Yeah,
and she dressed him as a girl and told everybody
he was a girl until he was like twelve.

Speaker 3 (03:20:30):
My god, it's generational.

Speaker 5 (03:20:33):
These It gets the hoose again.

Speaker 4 (03:20:38):
You just that was very much henryly Lucas's childhood a
buffalo bill situation.

Speaker 7 (03:20:43):
You just you just you just reminded me of the
Presidio scandal when Michael Lokino and Lilith Right his his
wife were uh were named by a child victim who
took them took the authorities to the actual residence right
and claimed that they had been sexually assaulted, but that

(03:21:05):
Michael Lokino and his wife Lilith had actually reversed gender
roles during the sadistic sexual abuse on the children. Imagine that,
I mean, you're we're talking with persidio three to five
year olds, man.

Speaker 2 (03:21:19):
You know, and.

Speaker 4 (03:21:21):
Imagine that specifically a three and a half year old
the stepdaughter of the bass chaplain.

Speaker 3 (03:21:26):
Yeah, they made him watch snuff films.

Speaker 9 (03:21:29):
They made him watch as they disembowled cats and stuff
and put them jars and did all kinds of stuff.
But the thing is is like, that's why I don't
care what people do as adults in their own bedroom whatever,
But when it comes to kids, I'm so like, they
tried to do this reverse gender thing and they push
it out there and they make it weird, and that's

(03:21:51):
what I don't like. And it's always like generational. Like
I said, they their mom fucked them, their mom dressed
them like a girl.

Speaker 4 (03:22:00):
You know, you don't think old Crocker Fenway here's dipped
into that Chaponica jam before you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (03:22:07):
Interest going on here?

Speaker 7 (03:22:08):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, if he's gonna horror out his daughter.

Speaker 5 (03:22:13):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (03:22:14):
You look at look at John Phillips and Mackenzie Phillips, right,
look at George Hodell and his daughter, which the Hodels
and the Phillips daughters both got raped by their fathers
and then they would team up. So we see all
of this weird sex cult stuff from the old air
of Hollywood with George Hodell, who's friends with like John Houston,
Jack Nicholson's mentor.

Speaker 3 (03:22:31):
Probably killed the Black Dahlia.

Speaker 4 (03:22:33):
Probably probably did that. And it's involved at all the
weird ship. You remember the element of what's that sort
in the Uh I'm sorry, what what is uh?

Speaker 7 (03:22:44):
What's the director that did Scarface?

Speaker 5 (03:22:47):
Why is it?

Speaker 7 (03:22:47):
Why am I forgetting Yeah? Yeah, Brian de Palma, Yeah,
he's the director that did the Black Dahlia, right, And
and uh, I thought it was very I honestly did
appreciate it as much as I think it There are
very aspects of it that obviously could have potentially been
I don't know, just just more accurately depicted, I guess

(03:23:09):
in a way. But but still I think that the
nature of don't.

Speaker 3 (03:23:12):
Want you to know that Laurel Canyon George Hodell incestuous
ass raping his daughter ass, John Phillips fan ass fucking
man Ray ass fucking.

Speaker 5 (03:23:26):
We see all.

Speaker 4 (03:23:27):
We see all the John Houston stuff playing out with
John Houston in the film Chinatown, written by Robert town
Bomb Cocaine, Evan's sidekick and he's Rumin Polanski and Jack Nicholson.
Again we see John Houston playing that incestuous relationship out
right there. We see this powerful network of the the
Alba core club in there. This this would be the

(03:23:47):
same kind of element. And again a powerful attorney is
the one behind it in that element, like he's the
man to go to to fix everything.

Speaker 7 (03:23:53):
Man, old money scions. That's what Hollywood Land was.

Speaker 4 (03:23:57):
They all bang their kids, dude, you know that's again
that's we see that in China Town. That's the daughter
the del Ray's daughter there is isn't more or moro.
Uh what's the name Molroy? Yeah, his daughter there is
actually the ancestrious relationship there. So his wife is the
inncessul relationship of his business partner and friend, you know

(03:24:20):
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (03:24:21):
And then they had a kid. We see the same
thing here.

Speaker 7 (03:24:25):
And what were I mean they were they were obviously
manipulating and the water supply to all of Los Angeles's wealth,
which is like the state impact of the influence being conducted,
as far as the operation and the precedent setting notions
being placed within there, They're obviously being positioned I would say,

(03:24:47):
within the just the local establishment infrastructure. It's how you
kind of paved the way for these dystopian agendas, right.
But I do think that totalitarianism takes a diabolical effort
with many different sociopaths involved in pursuing this uh you know, uh,
And and it seems like there's also this this clear

(03:25:09):
and obvious uh, just willingness to pursue you know, these
kind of like they're they're not necessarily in in the
the I would say, like pursuing the same exact potential
dystopian outcome, but it falls within the framework enough for
them to coexist and facilitate the agenda. And and I

(03:25:31):
just see Chinatown as another one of the the films
that perfectly represents that that sort of strategy.

Speaker 5 (03:25:39):
But yeah, sir, I think you're spot on.

Speaker 4 (03:25:41):
And I'll tell you one thing I don't appreciate about
Chinatown is that motherfucker's trying to out JJ, me JJ
getting yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (03:25:51):
Know I I I sold you the other day at
my doctor's office. You ever run across a dentist named
Rudy Blatinoid, the.

Speaker 14 (03:26:00):
Son of a bitch who until recently was correct my daughter.

Speaker 5 (03:26:03):
Yes, he's so offended by the weirdest thing.

Speaker 2 (03:26:06):
Today, trampoline accent laped. I'm so sure it was an accident, And.

Speaker 14 (03:26:11):
You'd like to know if I did it, what possible
motive would I have? Just because a man prayed on
a an emotionally vulnerable child forced her to engage in
sexual practices that might appalled even a sophisticate like yourself,
does that mean I'd have any reason to see his
miserable pedophile career If I'm doing that, What a vindictive person?

Speaker 4 (03:26:33):
You must imagine She's an adult and he's calling him
a pedophile?

Speaker 5 (03:26:38):
Right right?

Speaker 6 (03:26:40):
I did suspect he was fucking as a receptionist, But
Dennis doesn't some mopey all take him down school anyhow.

Speaker 2 (03:26:46):
It's a long way from strange and weird sex, isn't it?

Speaker 14 (03:26:50):
What about any for little girls who listened to original
cast albums of Broadway musicals while he had his way.

Speaker 2 (03:26:55):
With her, or the.

Speaker 14 (03:26:58):
Tastelessness with short hotel rooms he took her to during conventions.

Speaker 4 (03:27:09):
He nailed again, we're seeing the psychopathy of the individuals
that run this network and the attorneys that make sure
it gets hidden in that character. Right, there is no
problem with his daughter being put tricked out. His problems
are the core of the rooms and the musicals and
ship dude like weird beef my daughter.

Speaker 3 (03:27:27):
You better yeah, you better be wearing a tie, and
you better fucking smell like dri or no war like right.

Speaker 5 (03:27:37):
Well, as like as we look at this, I'll go ahead, sir,
go ahead.

Speaker 11 (03:27:41):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (03:27:41):
It just reminded me of of the attorney during the
Atlanta child murders that that essentially was very much affiliated
with Andrew Young, who is the mayor who was obviously
he was brought back and turned and honestly put it
in charge of being the authoritative figure during the Atlanta
child murders trial. And and it just goes to show

(03:28:04):
that obviously, the the legal council for Wayne Williams was
fully compromised from the beginning, and so essentially it was
like he had to It took years after the original
trial for him to actually get a decent legal representation.

Speaker 5 (03:28:19):
And even then, you know, it was kind of.

Speaker 7 (03:28:23):
Very strategically undermined and certain in terms of the credibility
of his legal counsel and and uh, but but still
you just go to see that that there is one
this this attorney who was was was placed on his
legal council by Andrew Young and these various individual politicians
who were prominent within the the the network being conducted

(03:28:47):
and facilitated in in Atlanta, but had connections to the
George Bush Senior administration, which is why Bush Senior himself
came down, had a meeting at the Governor's mansion and
and intervened prior to uh, Wayne.

Speaker 5 (03:29:02):
Right snuff the snuff films they were producing, right exactly.

Speaker 7 (03:29:06):
And that is why I think that that the attorney
who was strategically placed uh in order to facilitate the
proper legal counsel for him. In terms of the cover
up itself, she had already been the attorney for Michael Thievis,
who was the essentially child pornography kingpin in the area

(03:29:26):
that Wayne Williams was well, he was abducting children, but
he was recruiting them through the Gemini Project or the
Geminia I forget what he called it. It was basically
his talent recruiting agency, and he would he would bring
those children to I forget the name of the production
studio at the time that Michael Thievis owned in Atlanta,

(03:29:47):
but that's where he would take those children who would
then be filmed in child pornography and various things of
that nature. I'm assuming it would go to the extent
of legitimate snuff films as well. And and uh and
just the idea, d yeah, just the idea that that
woman who was on the that was represented as far
as the legal legal representative of Michael theevis, the child

(03:30:09):
pornography kingpin that Wayne Williams was taking the children to
from the Gemini project, was also on the legal council
strategically placed there for uh, for Wayne Williams. And again
it was like they tried to actually bribe he and
his father, Homer Williams, because they were both completely compromised

(03:30:30):
by this network and had burned all of these photographic
negatives right after the original arrest and essentially kind of
like lending to the credibility of of them deliberately destroying
the the evidence of the child pornography or the pictures
or the films or whatever.

Speaker 4 (03:30:48):
Let's say, you know, the operation with these damn attorneys, right,
I mean, that's that's just helping on this ship. Yeah,
well you bring you bring us some excellent points there
and back to Manhattan Beach as we see in the
score Eat a beach here in the film, as you said,
was the Manhattan Beach setting and the McMartin preschool that
used to sit there, would you believe the first not

(03:31:08):
that not Charles Mannon's friend Ira Ryner, who would be
the district attorney elected shortly after the charges were brought
in that case, the one that made it in a
circus and you know, made sure nothing ever got brought accountable,
et cetera. But the first district journey when charges were
brought and then McMartin case described it in that press
conferences revolving around child pornography. Yes, so the public statement

(03:31:30):
made it was obviously shitcoad later by Charlie's friends and whatnot.
But it is what we see there, and that was
at Manhattan Beach where we see our two characters in
the film come back here for if I may offer
all of y'all all three of y'all. Some closing statements here,
but this is where after the after this clip, this
is where, you know, the little uh scene of these
two guys really coming together, you know, old Jack Queen

(03:31:50):
and Uh Joaquin and who himself grew up in a
sex cult. By the way, I forgot to mention that,
and Josh.

Speaker 12 (03:31:56):
Brolin mercifully failed to trans fire.

Speaker 11 (03:32:04):
Yeah, don't get up.

Speaker 5 (03:32:13):
Big Foot and whoops smashed on my door? Whoop? What's
going on here?

Speaker 16 (03:32:19):
After a long and busy day of civil rights violations,
I found myself in the neighborhood and compelled to drop
in just to check and see the current state of
affairs and my old stomping grounds. Seeing as your effort
to keep lines of communication have been limited, to say
the least. Who I've been busy trying to figure out

(03:32:40):
which side of the exact paper is the sticky side.

Speaker 5 (03:32:44):
I love that line. Yeah that, and he tells him
at one point, you smell like Pachuli Farks. I love
that one too.

Speaker 3 (03:32:56):
The Julie Parks.

Speaker 6 (03:33:08):
Listen, I'm so sorry about last night you Why should
you be sorry?

Speaker 2 (03:33:14):
Mh weird, weird?

Speaker 5 (03:33:21):
It is weird, dude.

Speaker 7 (03:33:22):
This whole scene is so strange.

Speaker 5 (03:33:25):
I mean, it gets weird too, right.

Speaker 7 (03:33:39):
It's fucking eating the zincxacs.

Speaker 5 (03:33:41):
Dude, dude, oh dude.

Speaker 4 (03:33:44):
I mean it's it seems like such a Schitzo ending,
but it's a Schitzo kind of film, so it's very fitting,
I feel like, but it is. I appreciate all y'all
join me here and folks at the interwebsite, I joined
us to get a little gc D on the matters
of this occult and esoteric film. Review of the twenty
fourteen Cinematic Master Beast and air advice and if I
may start off there with Julia in some closing statements,

(03:34:05):
comments or any plugs or concerns or any questions.

Speaker 5 (03:34:08):
Do you have any questions. I don't know what's going
on over there right now.

Speaker 3 (03:34:12):
Well, I really like this movie.

Speaker 13 (03:34:16):
I do.

Speaker 9 (03:34:17):
I feel like I would need to watch it a
few more times to kind of get every perspective, because
I've watched it two and a half times now, and
there are things like that Austin mentioned that I never
would have put together, like maybe doc is like a
figment of Bigfoots imagination and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (03:34:39):
That's that's kind of trippy because the whole thing does
seem very dream like. But you watch it? Who's it?

Speaker 13 (03:34:50):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (03:34:50):
I don't even know what this movie. It's free on Hulu.
If you have Hulu, watch it right now.

Speaker 8 (03:34:56):
Or you could borrow the DVD from me.

Speaker 4 (03:34:58):
Yeah, Jo, because again, I've watched this easily ten times
before I started really putting a lot of pieces together.

Speaker 5 (03:35:04):
There's a lot going on.

Speaker 9 (03:35:05):
Right Oh yeah, Kobe made me watch it. He's made
me a more well rounded individual since we got married.
He makes me watch things that I would pass up
in a fucking heartbeat.

Speaker 8 (03:35:18):
On ghost hunters.

Speaker 4 (03:35:22):
Yeah, well, let's be honest. Who doesn't want to watch
a couple of grown men scream while wearing but dazzle jeans,
you know, run around.

Speaker 8 (03:35:30):
When you can live it.

Speaker 4 (03:35:36):
My weekends, get them up the dazzle jeans, run around
a couple empty you know, barns or farmhouses.

Speaker 2 (03:35:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:35:42):
I love it. But now I'll let you say your
final thoughts. I really liked the movie.

Speaker 9 (03:35:48):
I think it's uh, it's it's about like a psychological obviously,
among other things.

Speaker 3 (03:35:55):
It's layered. But the thing that stood out the most
to me was that this was kind of like an
m K. Weird disassociative psychological movie. He made me watch
Requiem for a Dream and I almost freaking started my period.

Speaker 4 (03:36:15):
I went out of my way to to not la
that morning, macause because you know, pulation, because.

Speaker 3 (03:36:26):
But yeah, no, this this is one of those movies
that he has me watched that at the end, I'm
just kind of like, what the fuck was that?

Speaker 8 (03:36:33):
That's the best reaction to a movie?

Speaker 3 (03:36:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:36:38):
What was the other one that I had the same
reaction inception? And I walked out of the theater, walked
right back into the theater, and I said, to watch
that again.

Speaker 2 (03:36:45):
I don't know what just happened.

Speaker 3 (03:36:48):
Yeah, any David Lynch movie.

Speaker 8 (03:36:50):
Yeah, we should all get together at some point and
cover Moholland Drive, because I think there's a lot of
old Hollywood occultism in that one and just absolutely overall
mind fuck.

Speaker 13 (03:37:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (03:37:01):
He I came to visit him and we got high
as fucking Georgia pines, and then he was like, we
should watch Mauholland Drive. And I was like, okay, because
I love Laurel Canyon stuff. Talk about turning your bee
hole inside out.

Speaker 4 (03:37:15):
I was like, up close to that is under the
Silver Lake. If a master under the Silver Lake with
you know, the dog Killers and all the other weird
shit going on there.

Speaker 8 (03:37:28):
I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 5 (03:37:30):
You haven't seen under the Silver Lake Hole My goodness, dude,
you're gonna enjoy that, sir recommendation.

Speaker 8 (03:37:36):
Yeah. At one point during Maulholland Drive, she just looked
over at me. She's like, I thought we were supposed
to be having fun.

Speaker 5 (03:37:43):
Yeah, I said that.

Speaker 4 (03:37:45):
I said that four and a half minutes end of
the cafe scene. I thought this was supposed to be
a good movie.

Speaker 5 (03:37:51):
That's what what?

Speaker 11 (03:37:53):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (03:37:54):
I kind of like I knew what I was getting
into with the Ninth Gate. I was kind of like
I knew what I was getting into with that. With
with eight millimeter, I didn't.

Speaker 8 (03:38:10):
Know eight millimeter. I saw someone mentioned that in the
comments earlier. You know, with his past, he sure has
drawn to a lot of this dark ass ship. I
mean even the Gladiator, he's he's basically playing a pedophile.

Speaker 7 (03:38:23):
Yeah, he's doing like screen d Honestly, he is a
he's a fascinating guy. He's a very incredible actor. Honestly,
really has become that. But I will say they put
him through a humiliation ritual with that Joker Too movie, right,
Am I wrong?

Speaker 5 (03:38:42):
There?

Speaker 7 (03:38:42):
I mean that was that was ridiculous. I didn't even
get through it at all. But it just, uh, you know,
to take the original, which at least had like legitimate
value to a certain extent, and then and then entirely
put But yeah, I'm not surprise, but it sort of
reminds me of the Blink Twice concept that I mentioned earlier,

(03:39:06):
because the conclusion of that film is so like absolutely ridiculous.
I mean it obviously they go woke as hell an
attempt to implement this sort of like feminist like context
to like now the victim becomes the abuser and it's
now worshiped by the general population. It's like so strange,
you know, it doesn't even make sense. But I will

(03:39:27):
say that with inherent vice, like inherent vice in every way,
it appeals to me as just again connoiseur of just
in my mind these sort of layered film projects that
I think are far more just like compelling, you know,

(03:39:48):
just to experience as an audience member. But I will
say that it fit and gave me that same sort
of feeling as eight Millimeter in terms of the conception value.
And and again It's like, what what I what I
find so valuable about eight millimeter, right, is just the
the idea of of of snuff films being this urban myth,

(03:40:10):
you know, and being conflated in this way like the
Satanic panic, very much so, and in my mind of manufacture, misconception.
And and you see how these eight millimeter film strips
undeveloped this old money scion family, this woman who who
legitimately she becomes a widow, and and she allegedly you're
supposed to believe that she she views her husband like

(03:40:35):
at least she she sort of bought the myth in
terms of her husband, and and and thought that he
was this he stood for everything you know of just
I would say, in terms of the ethical values and
what he was pursuing. She she definitely it seemed like
she she believed the the false narrative of his character,

(03:40:56):
you know, and in in that in this way. And
then she sees this un developed eight millimeter film strip
after he dies right in his in his private safe,
and then has a Nicholas Cage come and actually screen
this this film strip. And then he has this like
physical reaction to what he obviously witnesses as a child

(03:41:17):
being completely sexually abused and then potentially murdered in a
stuff film. Right, it escalated, and his physical reaction was like,
you know, he recoiled in every way. It was like
what you would naturally do if you truly believed what
you saw was real. And then he attempted to justify

(03:41:37):
it in his own mind, like, no, that's not you know,
there's no way that could be real. And then he
tries to pursue the case in some sort of objective way,
and he's introduced to the most well established pedophile underworld
you could ever imagine, you know, and that alone, and
that's not far off.

Speaker 5 (03:41:56):
In the network we're seeing here in this film, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (03:42:01):
Yeah, I think again, just saying both of you would
like Archive eighty one because it's not films.

Speaker 4 (03:42:09):
Well, we're gonna be doing eight milimeters in October as well.
Land and my my occasional co host and guests from
The Daily Dissident there fellow West Virginia in there. Land
and he he's that's one of his favorite movies. I
guess he's been trying to get me to do review
of it. I actually just recently watched it for the
first time.

Speaker 5 (03:42:25):
I'm lotd you. I was fucking disturbed, and I've seen
a lot of ship I've been I saw.

Speaker 8 (03:42:29):
That in the theater. It's like a young teenager with
my mom and brother.

Speaker 5 (03:42:34):
My god, I'll get you been uncomfortable.

Speaker 8 (03:42:40):
Well, well, we didn't know what we were watching.

Speaker 3 (03:42:41):
It was like, it's the guy who wrote seven, and
you're like, fuck me.

Speaker 5 (03:42:48):
I saw seven in the theater and that was pretty
That was pretty disturbing.

Speaker 8 (03:42:54):
Top seven.

Speaker 5 (03:42:55):
Oh, definitely, I disagree.

Speaker 7 (03:42:58):
Uncomfortable factor of being with the family while you're watching it.

Speaker 4 (03:43:02):
After it was over, my mom aue what I'm saying, dude,
Like that's aggressive, that age.

Speaker 8 (03:43:07):
Well my mom, yeah, she talked to my brother and
I and she was like, yeah, that ship really happens.
Rich people are fucked up.

Speaker 13 (03:43:13):
I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (03:43:14):
That's pretty amazing.

Speaker 8 (03:43:17):
She's great. I mean, she's like us. She thinks like
we all do.

Speaker 3 (03:43:20):
So yeah, I was just gonna say, that's totally an
awesome memory you can have now because that's a cool.

Speaker 7 (03:43:26):
Mom just saying in hindsight, Hell yeah, that that is
an awesome memory.

Speaker 5 (03:43:30):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 7 (03:43:32):
That I will still the only point I wanted to
make it an eight millimeter. Is that What's stuck with
me more than anything is that Joaquin Phoenix's character I
think is brilliant in that in that movie. And he's
essentially he's the connect, right, he's working at a porn shop.
He's he's he's behind the counter, but he's offering up

(03:43:52):
to any of the clientele, you know. Essentially if he
thinks that or he's the he's sort of gauging the
care character if if he views them as as obviously
not being uh, you know, some sort of snitch or
or at the very least he's willing to to introduce
them into this lifestyle, uh, provide them with let's just

(03:44:13):
say illegal the you know, pornography of some kind under
the counter. And then he goes on to basically he
strikes up this relationship with Nicholas Cage's character, who's asking
him questions while he's working behind the counter at this
porn shop. And so he grows more and more comfortable
with Nicholas Cage's character as a private investigator obviously, and

(03:44:36):
then he introduces him to like this this this venue,
this sort of like c D location in town where
where all these sort of like you know, just individuals
with this you know, sinister sexual proclivity proclivities or like
accumulating in order to like pursue these these disgusting uh

(03:44:56):
you know, fetishes, and and so they had like all
these screening rooms and in this uh in this kind
of like seed the area and in in this weird
warehouse type of situation and uh and there's all these
screening rooms involved behind curtains and you can hear people
just like jerking off and listening and watching terrible things.
And then he goes up to one of the last

(03:45:19):
rooms in the uh in uh in the air or
at least in this property, and essentially walking Phoenix is
trying to describe to him like what he's about to see,
you know, and and basically telling him like, there's this
is a point of no return for everyone. If you
ever were to experience this, you cannot come back. You
will never be the same. And in the way that

(03:45:40):
he kind of describes that to him is just like
it resonated with me and stuck with me and I'll
forever remember. And it's it's basically he says to him,
he says, you dance with the devil. The devil doesn't change,
the devil changes you, and that like just me.

Speaker 4 (03:45:59):
Person, I saw that that was a very telling statement
of him. I oft I often say the same thing
throughout my military career, especially if by offer advice in
my troops, I would say, you can dance with the devil,
but just remember the dances. The devil is gonna dance
back with you. And that's absolutely that's essentially.

Speaker 7 (03:46:14):
Like staring into the abyss man.

Speaker 4 (03:46:16):
You know, well, man, it's essentially what goes on when
you watched that fucking movie. Dude, that's a fucking disturbing movie.

Speaker 5 (03:46:20):
Dude, that's.

Speaker 4 (03:46:23):
Just motherfucker tried out JJ jj Ames the private detective
with no hands, two claws and a tiger that saved
Marlon Brando's son. And I think all of these the
film yea hooky guys save Marlon Brando's on in Mexico.
You don't know if he brought his tiger with him,
same as John j Ames jj Ames. Find out JJ

(03:46:46):
at least in some regard rest in peace. But anyhow,
I don't know how he did it. He's got dude,
he had a he had a hook attachment for a gun.
This is like inspector gadget dude, But like real life,
we live in them up at world of narratives, we
don't understand. We're sold propagandaitude through a bunch of hood
rat ship and guys with fucking hook hands and a

(03:47:08):
gun attachment and some tigers too.

Speaker 5 (03:47:10):
Apparently that sounds like this story.

Speaker 3 (03:47:13):
And uh, Adventures and Babysitting.

Speaker 5 (03:47:16):
And he had a Oh that's a great movie, dude,
I love Adventures of Babysitting.

Speaker 3 (03:47:22):
Honorable mention, Joaquin Phoenix and uh walk the line.

Speaker 4 (03:47:27):
I thought you were gonna say, mentioned the kids that
the kid, the Jeffrey or the Kevin Spacey did in
in the Adventures and Babysitting. Oh, Anthony rap guy he was,
he was in that film. It was the summer before
that film. I believe that he got diddled by Kevin

(03:47:47):
Spacey at Jeffrey's house at that at that interlocking camp.

Speaker 3 (03:47:52):
I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (03:47:56):
Right around.

Speaker 8 (03:47:59):
She can't even mentioned an innocent throwaway hook line. Coming back, I.

Speaker 4 (03:48:04):
Will bring it back to Epstein's like I'm good. I'm
beginning to understand Epstein's like the wears Waldo of everything
in parapolitics this morning, who ever employed that motherfucker just
sent him around the world, just taking photographs.

Speaker 5 (03:48:16):
Of everybody wears Waldo style like, oh, there's Jeffrey. There's Jeffrey.

Speaker 8 (03:48:21):
Cardboard cutout that they were trolling.

Speaker 4 (03:48:24):
People just carry around that cardboard cut out like that's
what I'm saying, He's everywhere, dude, what is going on
in life? Mm hmm, Well, I appreciate your all timing
and folks the inner webs. Thanks for joining us here
to your little GC d any lasts for closing statements
before we call it in here goodbye.

Speaker 3 (03:48:41):
Yeah, thanks for having us your favorite garbage.

Speaker 4 (03:48:44):
Can gal absolutely even got the bottle clip for you there, man,
Sir and Allston Weap of card I always enjoy our
conversations as well, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 7 (03:48:54):
Hey Man, nothing justin yeah, honestly, dude, nothing beloved for
all of you guys. And I appreciate you guys and
and just the conversation alone. But but yeah, I'm eager
to to you know, continue to collaborate. Honestly, I'd like
to try and plan a few things maybe going forward.
I know you guys are going to take some time off,
but whenever you're you know, I'll hit you up. And

(03:49:15):
whenever you're you're back and willing and ready to do
some some more collaborations, like I'm interested and I would
love to have you guys on the show too, just
you know, I'm trying to one improve as an interviewer
as well, but beyond that, just I enjoy the conversations
where I feel like they're constructive and I consistently learn
something new. And it's not just people, you know, just

(03:49:39):
overall agreeing with each other on every single point, you
know what I mean, It's like I'd much rather preferred
to have conversations with people who are critically thinking through
these things and have something new to bring to the
table and and are attempting to in a way where
they're they're acting in good faith, which is definitely something
that just frustrates me. Just kind of like what I

(03:50:05):
care for more than anything is just essentially knowing that
your intentions are pure, and then I'm more than willing
to at every level engage with you and hope to
grow together like that. That's all I would ever hope
to achieve. And and so I just have to say, man,
it provides me with further inspiration and hope in general

(03:50:28):
as well, because I mean, my God, like a syop
season for real, like we're surrounded. Yeah, I mean it
feels like this in a way where it just feels
like we are you know, the this sort of very
deliberate deception has been just implemented and layered around us

(03:50:48):
to such an extent that it's very difficult to wade
through this sort of swamp of this information. And if
I can do that with people that I think have
wonderful intentions in their hearts are in the right place, then,
you know, man, thank God for that.

Speaker 11 (03:51:03):
You know.

Speaker 7 (03:51:03):
So I just have to say I got nothing but
love for you guys, and thank you as always, so
sir as well Colby for sure, man, Yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (03:51:14):
Make some great points there, sir, and uh, and I
can encapsulate that by the used car salesman, extraordinary of
shit coating things, Old Ted Gunderson.

Speaker 6 (03:51:22):
There's thousands of Americans out there.

Speaker 2 (03:51:24):
By the way, I've been shot with a laser beam twice, folks.

Speaker 5 (03:51:31):
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (03:51:33):
Has some great thoughts there, Austin and uh not Bill
Colby for sure your thoughts and the time, and your
thoughts and time as well.

Speaker 13 (03:51:39):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:51:39):
I look forward to future collaborations and uh future discussions
on these matters, definitely for sure. On that note, any
last Alibis concerns, questions, comments, or statements.

Speaker 3 (03:51:54):
My barn is burned

Speaker 2 (03:52:24):
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