Occult Rejects on Government Cheese

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Speaker 4 (00:09):
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Speaker 5 (00:23):
For the warning.

Speaker 6 (00:25):
This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
comfort zone and make you question reality. Listening discretion is
a vibe the fellas.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
This ain't my first time at the rodeos.

Speaker 7 (00:48):
M m hm.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
This episode we got myself obviously, and we got a
couple of the rejects with us today, and we've got
Bennett joining us from broadcasting Seeds today. I'll let everybody
go around and introduce themselves. Lisa, what is going on?
The mid scientist?

Speaker 7 (01:16):
How?

Speaker 8 (01:16):
What?

Speaker 9 (01:17):
How are you? I am excited this. When you sent
me the notification on the title, I was like, this
is gonna be a killer episode. Can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
No pun intended.

Speaker 9 (01:28):
Killer ye ye, pun totally intended. So I'm really looking for.
Julie usually brings the heat I love when she covers,
especially serial killers or whatever. It's it's always a fun ride.
So thank you so much for having me on and
invite me on.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Oh of course, thank you. I'm glad you can make
it and we got Brooke joining us as well tonight.
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Hi, I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects
as well. I'm super excited to get into this topic.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Yes, definitely should be something something interesting. Just put the
name you're like, what's the fun? So awesome and thank
you very much for joining us. And we got Jewels
from Great Pill Podcast. What is going on? Man?

Speaker 10 (02:12):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Man?

Speaker 10 (02:13):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Everybody? Jewels the Great Pill Podcast. You probably see me
on here a lot. I'm more into the occult esoteric
realm of things, but I do love true crime and
the pair of political so it's always fun to get
in on these conversations.

Speaker 10 (02:31):
And I appreciate you invite me man.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Y'all go find me on Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash
Great Pill Podcast.

Speaker 10 (02:37):
You get a free sticker pack and yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And yeah,
for the other people who may not know who he
is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the
show a few times, he does cover occult stuff and
he does like specific topics. We've had him on for
one of them. I highly suggest to go check out
his channel if you're into the oculty does have stuff
that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very much
for joining us. Jewels, I appreciate it. And we got

(03:00):
Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on?

Speaker 4 (03:03):
My man?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
I'm so happy you were able to join us today.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
How how is everybody? I appreciate you having me on again?
Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds Broadcasting Seeds dot Com. I
pretty much talk about everything in the High Strangeness realm
from and I would include true crime in that too,

(03:26):
because some of that shit gets freaky. So so yeah,
I appreciate you having me on, and it's a pleasure
to be here.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Of course. No, thank you very much. I was just
on your show recently. I had a blast, so I'm
happy to have you.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Good time.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Hell yeah, yeah, it was good chat, good chat. And finally,
you know the guests of the hour, hour and a
half Julia from Cosmic Peach. What is going on? Julia?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
What's up? Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks
for having me on to present this. It's gonna be
a blast. And obviously I've covered similar topics like this
before on Occult Rejects. As far as the program Serial Killers,
and the like. But this one I found on my own.

(04:14):
This one did not come from the Program to Kill book.
But I feel like if David McGowan would have known
about this guy, he would have been in the book
because damn, you know, there is a lot of connections
with this guy to the whole Program to Kill Blueprint.
And you'll see that as as the presentation moves along.

(04:38):
But so you look at this Bennett first comment of
the night s ASMR channel they want you to read
them bedtime stories.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I was always I've always been told that I should
be doing a bedtime stories with uncle Bennett.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So we have we have jewels over here. Sounds like
fucking Matthew McConaughey, Bill be reading kids bedtime stories, ghost
bedtime stories. This is gonna be an interesting This is
gonna be a really good show. I already have a
feeling already.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
It was a dark and stormy night.

Speaker 10 (05:23):
That's not the first time I've heard that.

Speaker 7 (05:28):
Love.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust
in if you have any questions or anything like that,
and or if you I mean, are you guys familiar
with this guy at all? Randy Kraft, have you heard
about him. Do you know what he did anything?

Speaker 10 (05:46):
I know?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah, like legit. I mean, well, part of it
is because I was in the Marines and he killed
a whole bunch of Marines. So oh that's how I know.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well, when I saw the topic for the show, I
did research thinking we were going to be talking about
the government cheese stores.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
So no, yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.
Even when I made the thumbnail, I was like, yo, cha,
GPD can throw fucking cheese in the picture.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, you know, I always get pissed off because a
lot like what's talked about in Program to Kill is
how these guys get these like super Bitch and monikers
like Green River Killer, Hillside Strangler, BTK, you Bye, Torture Kill,
and they go down as like these mega villains and histories,

(06:41):
you know, deadly at crime and all that. They almost
get like sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or
something because they get these like the Zodiac Killer and
shit like that. So Randy Kraft is actually known by
many things. He's known as the Scorecard Killer, the Southern
California Strangler. But I gave him my own moniker because

(07:05):
I think obviously if you have a last name like
Craft and you are in the Army I think air Force.
Actually he's in the air Force. His last name is Craft,
and he's a piece of human dog shit, and so
he deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because he's a

(07:26):
ridiculous person. And so I named him the Government Cheese
Killer because yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't get to
go down as like history's mega villain. In my opinion,
he just doesn't like this some of the stuff. It
is so repulsive. It was hard for me to almost
get through the research because it was turning my stomach

(07:50):
like inside out. And I couldn't believe I had never
heard of this guy before. You hear about all of
like the top dogs like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, the
Zodiac that those, they're all infamous and everybody knows about him.
But my husband was listening to this podcast the other
day and they were talking about Randy Kraft and like
all this stuff he did, and I was like, who

(08:10):
the fuck is this guy? And then you look at
his crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck is this?
You know, it's it deserves definitely its own episode, But
at the end of this, I'm actually going to show
you how he could have been possibly confused for like

(08:30):
three other guys who were doing the same thing around
the same time, and whether or not they knew about
each other remains a mystery, But it just seems odd
that three serial killers would be in the same area,
perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the
southern California area, and not know about each other. It

(08:54):
just seems a little bit too much for coincidence in
my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions
about this guy before we get started, I.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Just want to say I like that you gave him
a crappy name to go with it, because it kind
of reminds me a btk. He wanted to be called
something cool, He wanted that notoriety, and you're right, they
just don't deserve it.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
They don't, right, Thank you, Broke. It's like you don't
get to go down as like buying torture killed. Did
you see that guy? First off, his name is fucking Dennis.
His name is Dennis, and he looks like, yeah, he
does look like a Dennis, And he wore these fucking
huge ass eighties dad glasses and he like helped out

(09:40):
at his church's youth group or something like that. If
you saw him, if you saw Dennis Raider at Walmart,
you'd be like, for sure he has like a boy
scout camp somewhere that he runs like. He just looked
like this totally upstanding, like nerd, douchebag guy that you know,
this is your typical you know co in eighties dad.

(10:01):
But no, he's buying torture kill crazy shit, right, So.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
Julia, isn't it weird that like most of these notorious
or infamous killers are from southern California or Southern California esque,
or they visited southern California or they have some sort
of association with Southern California.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, Lisa is hitting it right on the head with that,
because if you read Programmed to Kill, one of the
things that he talks about is how just in California alone,
like all of these Cereal Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,
you know, Randy krat Richard Ramirez, I mean, they all

(10:46):
come out of California. And it is even documented that
Ted Bundy flew to California for a considerable period a
time when it was doing something before he went back
to Seattle and became the ripper that we just do.
Maybe he was doing something.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know that he.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And he had the complete backing support of his local
Mormon church the first time he got arrested, and they
all made fucking signs for him, and they said we
love Ted, and they were outside the courthouse rubbing their
fucking nipples. He go, Ted is a good guy, Ted, Like,
what are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist, murderer.

(11:30):
It just kills me. It kills me, like you guys
are supposed to have great intuition and be so close
to the Lord, and you guys got Joseph Smith and
all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,
you know, intuitive, and you got literally a poster saying
we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered sixty your
kids and you gotta sign outside the court ouse saying

(11:52):
we love Ted. Like that, to me is how crazy
all of this gets. Because these people side and plain sight,
and I don't think that it's an accident. I think
it's by design. They're master manipulators. They're highly functioning psychopaths,
and I think that they are chosen because of this

(12:14):
to be a part of these programs highly functioning psychopaths, narcissists, manipulative,
you know what I mean. Like, you don't get chosen
to be a part of the program to kill academy
if you're just like a normal guy who has a
podcast and works for progressive you know, that's you're not
going to get chosen.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
And that kind of leads into like, you know, how
how long were these people prepped before they started to
commit these crimes, like where they kidnapped as children, where
they bred into it, you know, and that goes into
s R and a whole nother uh, you know, a
whole a whole other topic.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
But yeah, well, Jules think think of it like this.
They set up all these gifted and talented programs at
schools looking for something. Okay, they set up a lot
of programs for young kids. Then they're clearly looking for something,

(13:10):
you know, They're they're organizing field trips. Like there's a
story about Jeffrey Dahmer going on a school field trip
to Washington and he makes some kind of anomaloust phone
call to who we don't know, and he is able
to arrange a private tour of the White House for
him and all of his uh student friends in his class,

(13:37):
Like why who the fuck did he call? And how
does he know somebody at the White House where he
could call and arrange a private tour for him in
his class?

Speaker 10 (13:45):
Matter ask those questions.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows
about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, he's so funny.
He made a phone call and he got this private
tour at the White House. He's also said to be
a highly functioning psychopath, a narcissist, manipulative. He was in
the army. I mean, it's like, I think that they
find these kids at a young age, and I think

(14:08):
that they're looking for these specific markers and if you
fit the you know, whatever it is, if you check
all the boxes, you get to be a part of
something like this. And most of the time I think
that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or

(14:30):
to not even remember that they've been programmed at all,
kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like, go out, they
do this stuff, they come back, they don't even remember
doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to do it.
And you know a lot of people's oh, not everything is, CIA,
Not everything is, And that's true, But there is a

(14:50):
blueprint actually that you can look for. Not every serial
killer meets that criteria, but the ones that do, it's
too much in common to just be a coincidence. And
this guy is one of them, just like Ted Bundy Dahmer.
They all fit this blueprint and this guy and.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
I just want to add, sorry to interrupt you, but
real quick before you go. And I know it's going
off a little off topic, but like you had mentioned somebody,
uh yeah, he got to go to the White House.
I mean even when Gaysey was in prison, he had
I forgot what you call it, but it's like when
you just have one hole in golf that you just
keep on trying to get it in. You had one
of those installed in the prison he was in. How

(15:32):
you get this dumb while.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
You're in jail.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
He also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell,
and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him, and
he had like all this stuff. He has a picture
of him in the first lady.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Just ye close to the carters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he used to run that. He used to run a
parade in his town.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yes, yes, so he was a part of the j
c S, which like trained in prison in to like, yes,
he was a part of the Jaycy. I mean that,
That's what I'm talking about if you look, because Ted
Bundy was also involved in politics, and you know, he
was a Mormon. He was you know, as been. It

(16:14):
was saying, he was really involved in his community, and
it made people think like, oh, they couldn't he couldn't
possibly be doing this stuff because he's such a stand
up guy. Look at him. He's great. And it's by
design that these guys just blend right in. Just like
BTK he's like helping out at his church and he's like,
you know whatever. So it's not an accident that these

(16:37):
guys are master chameleons and they just kind of like
you know, blend into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft,
he was enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and
he was also involved in some kind of campaign rallies

(17:01):
for Barry Goldwater in nineteen sixty four. And he was
also like really involved in supporting the Vietnam war, and
that was like his first taste of like becoming political.
And he actually ended up organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy,

(17:23):
and he got real tight with Robert F. Kennedy, and
he got like some kind of letter of recognition or
something from Robert F. Kennedy because he was helping him
out so much with his campaign. So again, if you
look for like the subtle clues in the background, they're
always going to be there somehow political, somehow in a

(17:44):
gifted and talented program at school, highly functioning psychopath narcissists.
It's like always hidden somewhere in there, and if you
look hard enough, you'll find it. So a lot like
Jeffrey Dahmer and Teddy Randy Craft also seems to be
able to elude police officers multiple times or downright just

(18:08):
get away with shit, get arrested and get almost no bail,
a very small bail, or not arrested at all, Like
how like that has to be another part of the
blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested? How can
you keep getting in trouble for the same bullshit over
and over again and nothing ever happened to you, Like

(18:32):
in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he had victims that
actually got returned back to him by police officer.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Story. It's like, how to come on.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
This guy did too Randy Craft police officers brought a
victim who just said that guy raped me in the asshole,
beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me. He
was in the hospital. They took him back to Randy
Craft's apartment, never filed any charges against him, He didn't

(19:08):
even get he didn't even get a night in jail,
and just skirt it on the whole thing. That was
his first victim. So again, if you look at this stuff,
it's too much to be a coincidence, Like, how does
Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy who have so much in
comment from their past end up getting victims returned to

(19:32):
them no jail time they alluded to release at every stop.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
I Mean, another common thing I've noticed too is this
could maybe just be happens, you know, just coincidental. But
you will also get a lot of people where it's
like if they would have gone to jail either for
the right amount of time for the first crime they
committed or things that they should have gotten arrested for
to begin with, all this other shit never would have happened, dude,
you know, like Bundy Gacy and this guy, if they

(19:59):
would have gotten court or case, you would have stayed
in jail as long as you would have supposed to
have had first time. We wouldn't have killed all.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
These other folks.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
And Charles Manson the same thing happened with him. He
was arrested and let go a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Wow, these guys there, many of these serial killer guys,
right that the folk they're they just what ends up
happening is that they they're nice, clean cut guys, right,
And it's all a persona literally a dual personality, right,
And most of them are highly intelligent, and they do

(20:38):
this stuff to just cover it up, and they end
up getting into positions where they wheeld influence. That's part
of the reason they get into politics, right. I mean
they literally, you know, uh, mold themselves into high functioning

(20:58):
organized killers because that's the one thing about Craft is
he's so organized, well, all of them, don or Bundy,
so they're able to get away with it for so long.
You know, they're polished, intelligent, well integrated into society, all
that stuff, respectable. They put that respectable mask on.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And sometimes they even you know, I feel like they
go out of their ways to even pick kind of
attractive people because you do hear about, like there's one
that I really want to talk to you guys about
in a future episode. His name is Rodney Alcola. He's
also known as the Dating Game Killer, and they made
a movie about him on Netflix is called The Woman

(21:40):
of the Hour and it talks about his crimes and stuff.
What they won't tell you in that movie though, or
any Netflix documentary, is this guy's also definitely fits the
blueprint for program to Kill. But he's a good fucking
looking guy. He's like a fair of faucet haircuted, fucking
freak strangler and if you saw the guy, you would

(22:00):
definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk about
Ted Bundy was attractive, Rodney, I'll call it was like
a Native American guy or something like that. He had
like real dark hair, you know, tall, dark and handsome,
ended up fucking raping and murdering one hundred and thirty women.
Like that's to me, it's like they go out of

(22:20):
their way to like find attractive, extremely intelligent, manipulative psychopaths
to be a part of this, you know, the only one.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
You're saying, Julia. What you're saying, Julia is that them
and the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people too.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
One hundred. The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that shit.
They'll send like a girl with their tits half out
pretty much up into a place that literally just gut
these in like a handful of pills. And the thing
that I love Chick fil A. The thing that I

(23:01):
always say, though, is the one person I can think
of that doesn't fit that uh stereotype would be John
Wayne Gacy because he was just a fat, gross motherfucker,
just a nasty He just looked like he like mopped
floors at KFC, Like you just see him and be
like gross.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
No, he did, if I remember correctly, No joke. Didn't
he actually run KFCs before he started doing He.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Did, He did, and he requested KFC for his last meal.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
And it wasn't one inspiration too for Captain Spaulding, so
kind of the same vibe. I'm pretty sure when Rob
Zombie was crafting his character that he played on that
influence A big question for motherfucker Yea, he ant so

(23:52):
and he and Captain Spaulding sells chicken right freaking gas station.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Oh that's funny question.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
When you were when you were talking about how there's
several I think you'll probably get to it, but how
they were all some other active serial killers in the area.
I'm not sure if you watched the show Sandman or not,
but okay, So basically, there's this convention of serial killers
that all come together once a year and they break

(24:21):
off into many groups, like depending on if they're like
religious killers or people who poison or go for organs,
they like break up. When you said that, yeah, and
you said they could be working together, my mind went there.
And I know in the past on the Rejects, you
guys have talked about a potentially a serial killer ring
in the United States. I think that that's incredibly possible

(24:43):
that they could have been, in some facet aware of
what one another was doing.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Forty eight serial killers in California, Julia, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's
like Brooke was saying, Actually, Nick, if maybe you were
too high at the time, but maybe not, you could
remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together in an
episode called Netflix and Chill or something like that, do
you remember, And we talked about that serial killer convention

(25:14):
because it was like pedophile serial killer and they all
get just go to this one one convention at a
hotel and talk and exchange notes and like you know,
trade secrets and ship like that, and they put their
heads together. But it seems to.

Speaker 9 (25:32):
Me, kill a con by the way, kill a coon,
Kill kill a con, Kill a con. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's that'd be a good I think in the show
it was a serial convention, but like the Cereal you Eat?

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Oh, I was.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Sitting here thinking like they had some kind of a cover.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Of a magazine up and they're like, where's the fruit looves, Like,
we don't see any cereal?

Speaker 7 (26:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't watched it.
It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as Nick pointed
out in the show we did together. But I do
think they're aware of each other. I do think that
some serial killers can just be random psychos that go
nuts and just end up killing people. I'm not gonna

(26:25):
say all of them are programmed killers, but the ones
that you find that are almost sensationalized to a degree
of becoming a celebrity or something like that. Or their
crimes and their backgrounds are so similar to each other
that you're like, what are the odds? Like they had
to have known about each other. They're they're like killing

(26:46):
their victims in the same exact way. They live a
couple of blocks from each other. Like, how does this happen?

Speaker 9 (26:52):
You know they write letters to each other. I know
that there have been a couple of people that Nick
and I have covered that they were exchanging letters with
each other. I think he was exchanging letters with BTK.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Wasn't he shy?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
They're having conversations.

Speaker 9 (27:12):
They were having conversations that that is not uncommon for
for these convicted serial killers, that they will exchange letters
with each other.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Well, we covered that to each.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Other or whatever, Right, So do.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
You remember when we covered that. I can't remember exactly
what it matched, but I saw it taking like bt
K and putting certain words through Jamatra and like certain
things were actually matching, like Oyster Bay or like the town,
like the area where fucking should happened. I was like, yo,
is this something like weird like cult stuff going on
here in the news and.

Speaker 9 (27:51):
It was it was btk's daughter. And then the what
was it, not the Sunshine killer, but the Smiley killer,
not face killers, but.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
I don't know it was it was happy Face, happy
Face killer, Happy.

Speaker 9 (28:08):
Face Happy his daughter and then btk's daughter came out
and were in support of rex Hureman's family as well
as her daughter and they were very vocal in protecting
her and trying to provide some sort of support. Started
up an entire goal fundme. We kind of did a
little bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face.

(28:30):
She's wanted for.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
And scam outists.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
She's like, but she has I think money crime.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah, it was a money crime and it's not illegal.
We used to tell us we had a two week
trial and we threw a name in there, and that's
what came up. She's already committed crimes with money and
the only reason like we were even getting into that,
and you know, we can get back to the topic,
but like when it comes to true crime, there is
something in my opinion, you sawm looking at these it's

(29:03):
always the weird ones are the ones that make no
sense and seem off the wall that everybody's got gofundme's
going on. It's a fucking grift. There's something going on.
The people who are even involved in the crimes that
possibly or even playing games with money, who the fuck knows,
but something's up. There's always these weird gofundmi's going on,
people raising them fifty grand so I can go watch
the Colburger trial. What the fuck you need fifty grand?

Speaker 9 (29:24):
You go watch a trial for I had a question
for Juliet. Do you think that there is like an
A team B team streams?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, because Lisa think about it like this, Not only
could these be government programs that are broken up into
sub sex for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure essentially
like gay guys. Obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer, and
then you got guys like Rodney Alcalla and Ted Bundy.
They're not gay, but they murder. They're victims. In a
really similar way. I think that they're also mixed up

(29:57):
with magic in some way. The ritual behind the crimes,
the areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes, the neighborhoods.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
And sorry, have you found any kind of significance to
the date of the certain crimes.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's interesting to think about because I actually think a
lot of the victim they'll say like, oh, we found
this body at this time, and we found this body
at this time. But there were so many active serial
killers in and around the time Randy Craft was ripping
and running through dude's buttholes during this time. I don't

(30:37):
know who killed who. There was too many. It's like
there's like eighty victims and three serial killers and they
can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,
obviously this is significant someone because they're murdering in clusters
around the same time, all three of them in the
same exact way, like how.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
And they're still finding people like DNA evidence. Shit, they're
still trying it to like cold cases to these to
the sky.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So yes, yes, So he actually joined the United States
Air Force and he was stationed at Edwards Air Force Base,
which is also the same Air Force base where a
lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out
of Edwards Air Force Base also. Uh So, he was

(31:26):
supposed to be a supervisor of teaching people how to
paint test planes. That's what he was supposed to that
that was his official job title. Uh is supervising the
painting of test planes, and he became an airman first class.
But he they found out that he was gay, and

(31:46):
they released him on medical grounds quote unquote, which you know,
on surface level you'd say, oh, well, that might have
been common back in the sixties, UH to get to
you know, released on medical grounds for being gay. But
in my opinion, they don't let somebody like this just go.
He's too valuable obviously, so maybe the cover is we

(32:08):
let him go on the medical grounds, but he just
got repurposed in some you know, unclassified you know, program
to kill type academy thing because he had a genius IQ.
And after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he
found employment for the Aerospace program. So I mean a

(32:32):
lot of the victims that they say he killed were
all around his business trips, traveling around for the aerospace program.
So you know what I mean, It's like he didn't
travel too far outside of the uh sus a's fuck

(32:52):
category as far as employment goes. When he started killing
all these guys, it's like, oh, you were in the
Air Force. Now you're working for the Aerospace program. And
every time you have a business trip like six dudes
get murdered in the area, Like, is that a coincidence?
And then they find like pictures in DNA evidence later
that would link him to the crimes.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
That's interesting. I want to just say real quickly. I
know it's kind of a between aerospace and NASA. I mean,
there's a difference there, But I do find it interesting.
Remember how I mentioned it to you, and it's something
that I probably would like us to cover. At some
point I mentioned it to some of us here at
covering it where I had started noticing leases even notice
that other people have noticed it that, like, why is

(33:38):
there always somebody in NASA popping up with all these
new fucking true crimes. There's always a link to somebody's
in fucking NASA. What's up with that?

Speaker 11 (33:46):
You know?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
And when I you know? And again I always say,
I think NASA is basically like a Nazi magical operation.
So like, if I think that they're handling you shit
and portraying it in a different way and people are
believing it, why would they not do that with other
shit they're there. I've just mass the manipulators with the
film and shit, you know, they make you believe whatever
the fuck they throw on the screen.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
And it's like I said before, it has to be
integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,
the government program, you know, case clothes, that's it. There's
always like this weird magical aspect to it too, where
it's like you said, they they fake all this moon
landing stuff, they fake all this space stuff. They lie
to us constantly, right, and then it's there's just this

(34:29):
aspect of like serial killers and weirdos working for them
and shit like that, like, oh, nothing to see here,
I guess.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, it's just something I noticed, you know, and I
just find it weird, all right.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Sorry, Oh I thought Lisa.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
Lisa was about to sea interrupt. You know what's interesting,
Julie you were talking about, because I was going to
ask you what year did all this kind of start
to you know, transpire or whatever. It's interesting. I think
you said somewhere around the sixties, and you know, we've
covered at length this sixties on this podcast. What's interesting
is that you do have a lot of presence of
certain ops or certain operations from the government occurring in

(35:12):
bath houses during the sixties, especially in California, especially in
these big cities, especially in these cities where a lot
of tech is happening. Tech back then was aeronautics or
space programs or government programs and stuff like that. So
it's interesting that they would have this guy who was
sexually active in the community that he would, you know,

(35:36):
be potentially has anyone looked at the victimology of like
if his victims were involved in some sort of programs.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
There were mostly marines, that's right, you said that.

Speaker 9 (35:52):
Sorry, I apologize.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a
fuckedn of Marines and other military men actually league, So
it's it was it's kind of like I was saying before,
they find people. It's like they mixed business with pleasure.
This guy's gay, he loves murdering assholes, and they got
a lot of marines they gotta get rid of.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, I think what it was is he like really
tried to tried to find well he they were always
drunk or or on drugs usually.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Or he or he drugged them, And that's what I know.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah, even the way they caught him, dude, don't even.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Get started on that. Yeah, I was gonna I got
a whole fucking thing on how they caught him because damn.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
It was a marine, Lisa.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
That was great. That was great a question because I
did connect that they were mostly like military or marines
or something like that, and like.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
The rage issue against like macho guys or macho guys
kind of, and that was like his em was like,
this is who I fucking hate because they've ruined my
life or whatever, and I am going to take control
and show the power over these bastards.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I mean, it definitely could have been and I will
entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these
guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, I was thinking that I was going to bring
that up.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Maybe these are That is a good point though, to
an assassination.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like we need
to get rid of private you know Smith over there.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
Yeah, here's a list of these guys.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Yeah, we got some, but you can Christmas right.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
It doesn't make you wonder what sort of programs that
they were involved in.

Speaker 10 (37:50):
That's also I don't know something something.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Because it's like I said, his first victim got returned
back to him, no charges wherever filed. You know, the
kid was like thirteen, He got raped, he got drugs,
he got beaten, nobody cared, So obviously there's something else
going on here. But what I find interesting, and you
guys need to, you know, throw your two cents in,

(38:17):
is the type of things that he did to his
victims go beyond just killing a person. It's it's you know,
and if anybody in the livestream whatever, if you're sensitive
or you know, you might just want to puss out
now because I'm gonna just say all the details. Okay.

(38:39):
He wouldn't just like sodomize a guy. He would sodomize
a guy, but then he would like cut their dick
and their ballbag off while they were still alive. He
would make sure that they were still alive for all
of it. Sometimes he would take their dick and ball
back and then shove it up their ass. Sometimes he

(39:01):
would take his car lighter out of his car and
burn their nipples off and burn their eyeballs out, so
he would shove dirt.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I was just gonna ask, what was he sodomizing them
with like his penis?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
He did, Yeah, I mean he did rape them. Sometimes
it was just more about the kill because they found
like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a
bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims
that were just in pieces and parts, And it's like,
this goes beyond just like killing a guy to rip

(39:40):
somebody's dick and ball bag off, put it in their ass,
and then like burn their eyeballs out with the car
cigarette lighter. This goes beyond, This goes beyond just killing someone.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
What sounds like some of the some of the torture
methods that they used back and like antiquity or ancient times.
So maybe it is some ancient like some dark spirit
that is not only taking them over, but being like
invoked to take them, like he's being whoever it is,
is just being groomed to be a vessel for a

(40:18):
particular entity.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying like what
would possess someone to do that? I don't know, why
do we use that terminology? What would possess someone to
do something like that? I don't know, A demon maybe
like or something they've tapped into something. Obviously that there's
a dark passenger driving like they say in Dexter, because

(40:43):
you know that the average person is not thinking to
do this.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And some people might say that they have kind of
trained these people to switch on, like to switch on
their shadow self, to switch on their dweller right to
where they can immediately just you know, change consciousnesses. But
it's them, it's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, I think that's part of why they have to
break you down in the programming, is so they can
something else, something else has to get inserted in there,
you know, something else has to take over.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Where was he doing most of.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
His work, So the reason they called him the freeway
strangler is because they never knew where he was doing this,
but he always dumped his body on the side of
the freeway, so they didn't know if he was killing
him in his car, if he was taking him back
to his apartment and killing him and then dumping them.
But all the victims were found either in Portland when

(41:54):
he was on a business trip, Seattle when he was
on a business trip, or southern California, all by the
freeway and all that. They started to put things together
because he his he finally found his signature, which was
after he you know, raped them, murderedom dismembered them, whatever

(42:17):
he would take one of the victim's socks, ball it
up and put it in their bee hole, and that
was his signature. Every time they found a body with
a bald up sock in their bee hole. They started,
they started, you know, realizing that these could these victims

(42:37):
could be connected. And the only thing that they could
think of of a reason why he would be doing
this is they said, well, the killer must have military background,
because in the military they they train you to shove

(42:59):
socks up dead bodies beeholes to prevent them from purging
until you can get to the body or whatever. So
what they surmised is that he was taking them, killing
them somewhere else, putting the sock in the bee hole
to prevent purging until he could dump the body.

Speaker 9 (43:18):
Yeah, well that comes to mind is that it's almost
like was he doing this for someone else? And that
was the worth these experiments to see the level of
pain and torture and worthyse methods of potential interrogation to
be used later in other operations in that yes, it

(43:40):
looks like a serial killing. Yes it looks like somebody
is disturbed or was Randy contracted by the government to
inflict these types of torture to measure the level of
whatever the pravity.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, and then and then now.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
It's a data point and you can feed it back
to the to whomever contracted you as a way of saying, yeah,
they break at this point, or if you do this,
they'll they'll do this, or what have you. And then
the like you said, the signature ready to be like, well,
that was my calling card. I did that one. The
other guy did the other one. I did this one, right.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Right, I mean it kind of goes hand in what
she's saying, kind of goes hand in hand with why
they called him the scorecard killer.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
M m.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Yeah, because he's checking boxes in a cryptic.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, very cryptic.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah, And that's how he was able to delineate who
who is who.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Too, right, because they found in his car when they
busted him the scorecard with all the victims' names and
like a little description. And it's kind of like what
you were saying, lisays, is he taking him somewhere else
and doing this for God only knows what reason, And
then he has to use this b whole sock because

(44:54):
he's got to drive him then somewhere and dump the body.
But the problem is It's like, he's supposed to be
in charge of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what
point did shoven a sock in somebody's bee hole come
up in the painting of the test planes training? Like,

(45:16):
I don't you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here,
but I would say, if you're in charge of painting
test planes, a sock in somebody's dead bee hole is
not going to come up. Another thing that I don't
understand why they said this is they said, well, the
killer obviously has military background, because not only is there

(45:38):
a sock in the victim's bee hole, but he would
take tissue paper and he would shove it in the
nostrils and down the throat, which is another thing I
guess they do in the military because fluids come out
and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again, when
did the tissue paper nostral technique come up in the

(45:59):
painting of the test planes? Can somebody explain that to me? Like,
obviously he has further training that we don't know about.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Obviously, I mean, I spent ten years in the military
and I never was trained to that ship. But I'm
just saying, you got at the end of the day.
It could have been some Vietnam stuff. I mean that
that's when this was happening, So it's like maybe that

(46:34):
was training then, But I've never heard.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I know, you're not trying to just about that Bush.

Speaker 10 (46:41):
I'm just saying I'm not trying to do that.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I'm just saying, you a sock in my butt hoole
when it's too when it's too hot outside.

Speaker 9 (46:53):
Yeah, but it isn't some of these paints on any
of the military planes because you're highly classified.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, well not yeah, I mean even back then. Yeah,
I guess you had a point. They were extreme line
you had especially now, but not so much back then,
but maybe maybe especially especially like in that area you
had the SR seventy one Blackbird and the the other one,

(47:26):
the other spy plane, the big it's like something fifty yeah, whatever.
Either way, they had radar reflecting paint.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
Yes, Yes, and most of that stuff was patented and
highly classified. Yeah, and not anybody could handle that that
type of paint because they would have to pass a
clearance in order to handle that type of pot because
of extreme class Like we were the only country that
had the patent for a while on some of the

(47:57):
reflective paint to evade radar to didn't.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
We Yeah, for sure, what we still do? I mean
they're like they don't even know, Like the F twenty two,
I have no idea what it's coded with, zero nobody
and we won't sell it to anybody either, So.

Speaker 9 (48:12):
Nobody's And it's weightless because every single paint is has
has a certain weight.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
And that's the ship we know about. That the ship
we don't know about who even fucking knows? Frankly, I
mean that, And people have to understand the F twenty twos.
It's almost a thirty year old plane in the grand
scheme of things, and it's far and beyond anything anyone
else has. So probably I mean, if he's painting, I

(48:43):
guess it.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Depends on tell me, tell me when the fucking bhole
sock comes in.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, I've never I've never heard that in my life.
I'm telling you. I'm telling you that God's down the street.
Never heard that ship in my life.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
There you go.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
I'm gonna have to do a deep dive and to
book whole socks.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Yeah, I'm actually writing it down right now. I've never
heard of that.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Well, I just found it interesting too that all of
this is happening in the sixties, right around the time
that MK ultr is happening, and Charles Manson is running
around getting out of jail working with the CIA. It's
just interesting timing. And and she hit the nail on
the head with Laurel Canyon. I wrote that down because
it was like, I wonder if there's some sort of
a connection there, you.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Know what I was. I was wondering, and I was
going to ask you believe because I know this is
something that me and you have, you know, kind of
researched but never covered. Do you think it's quite possible
that they had to voice the skull stuff? Then yes,
because I do think that's actually being used now to
make it.

Speaker 9 (49:49):
Remember when we cover the whole Esslon thing, and we
started to look at some of these scientists from U. C.
L A, Harvard, Stanford and all that this was and
off late fifties, early sixties, and this was the psychological angle.
This is the angle that we just know about. We
didn't even touch upon any of the physiological anatomical We

(50:16):
were just looking mainly at the psychological angle of some
of these tests. And so yes, it was right around
the same time. All of it.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Sixties, late sixties seventies were wild, especially with psychological stuff.
The shit that they were doing, the folks, shit that
they were doing the prisoners, it was unbelievable. I mean,
like just heinous.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
And I think to your point, Lisa, they couldn't be
testing the capabilities of what's possible, Yes, you know, as
far as mind control goes, and yeah, taking people to
their breaking points and what they can invoke exactly.

Speaker 9 (50:57):
And I don't mean to keep going on this, but
remember we just brought the boys from Germany over and
they were doing all kinds of tests on twins, on pain.
Most of what we know about pain response comes from
these scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about
manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes

(51:17):
from these scientists. So who's to say that we're not
employing the B Team or the A team of program
to kill to see what's happened, you know, what can happen.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I think the A Team is this group that we're
talking about right here that came out of the sixties,
because it was, like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was
at Edward's Air Force Base at the same time, like
Frank Zappa's dad and like all all of these these
assholes parents were there. I mean, it's it's it's too

(51:48):
much to be a coincident. Then, Charles Manson, like you
were saying, I think the sixties, especially like with with
Randy Kraft and a couple others that I'm going to
tie into at the end, But they were part of
the A team, I would say, you know, and then
they manufactured based on their results with the first round,

(52:10):
future generations of serial killers. So I would say that
Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like B team because he was
like in the eighties or nineties something like that, so
he's later on they've perfected it a little bit more.
Now he's like got vats of acid in his apartment
and cooking dudes dicks off and like cannibalizing him and

(52:31):
feeding them to his neighbors and shit like it just
becomes more depraved as as time goes on. It's like
they got to up the echelon to the next you know,
worst thing they can terrify people with. Jules, did you

(52:55):
have something you wanted to I thought I saw a
comment on the side there. Did you have something you
wanted to touch on.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
No, no, no, no, I was just I was apologizing, Nick,
I was laughing for a minute. My audience has been
making sexual remarks at me.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
And uh, do they want to put socks in you?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Yeah, they want me to put stickers on my on
on my nipples and uh, because I've done it before.

Speaker 10 (53:23):
So it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Guys, as long as you don't put a sock in
your b hole.

Speaker 10 (53:30):
Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they. I
think they're talking about doing that to each other. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Like I said, I can't control what this guy say.
They're insane. Oh and then here's Joey Pootbags here. Now, okay,
well cool.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
So I did want to I wanted to just give
one other example of a time where they found a
victim and they basically let him totally off the hook
for it. They he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.
He let one of them go and the other one

(54:08):
he kept overnight. And the next morning they found this
guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he
picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I
can identify the car. I can identify the guy. I
can tell you all about it. He drugged us, he
was weird, he threw me out of the car. He

(54:29):
took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.
The police brought him in for questioning. He admitted picking
both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with
him last night, but I dropped him off at home
and I don't know what happened to him after that.
And the police were like, well, that's funny because we
just found his fucking decapitated head right nearby where you
picked the guy up. And he's like, yeah, well it

(54:51):
wasn't me. No further questions, no further investigating, nothing, They
just let him walk right out of the police station. Literally.
The guy's cousin said, this is a guy who picked
us up. He drugged us, he tossed me out of
a car, he took my cousin. Now my cousin's decapitated
and he has a sock in his bee hole and nothing.

(55:13):
They do, nothing like it. It's crazy to me how
many times this guy looked police officers in the face
and just was able to walk right back out of
the police station, no consequences. And he went on to
murder another like fifty sixty guys after that. If they
would have busted him on that murder, it could he

(55:37):
could have saved sixty men's lives.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, that's kind of like Epstein, Okay, when he got
arrested down in Florida and he basically got that sweetheart
deal where he was running the jail down there for
a little while. When pressed about it, the Attorney General
of Florida at the time just said it was above
his pay, great and that there was nothing that he
could do. Because you're right, he would have, like take him,
for example, would have been busted then and gone to

(56:03):
jail for the trafficking charges and the molestation charges. We
may not have that giant blackering, you know, black girl
ring that we had today. So if he would have
gotten the appropriate sentencing then, But I think that there
are some high level people allowing these people to walk free.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Absolutely, I mean, and to me, it's like, how do
you justify that the cousin who saw this man was
in the car with him, said that he drugged us
and was and pushed me out of the car while
it was going down the highway. And now my cousin's
heads decapitated off, and he's got to suck in his asshole. Like,

(56:44):
how the fuck do you justify in just letting him
walk right out, Like no investigating the car even to
see if they can find the drugs or the like. Nothing,
you're gonna do nothing. Like that's crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I mean, yeah, you think it's just the cops being
lazy or do you think that they were told to
maybe stand down.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,
when they they said, hey, we're gonna, you know, respond
to this, you know whatever. It was that some ladies
called the police and they said, there's a kid out
in the street. He's got blood running down his asshole.
You know, he's got all this stuff wrong with him.

(57:29):
The police show up, they'd say, hey, we're responding to this,
you know, complaint whatever about this boy being in the
street with blood running out of his asshole. And then
all of a sudden, as soon as they get to
the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there and they're like, oh, well,
this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't

(57:50):
want any part of. Let's just take him back up
to the apartment. They get into the apartment, he's got
two dead people in his bedroom that have been fulay
open with all their freaking lungs and everything out. And
the police officers, these are supposed to be highly trained
police officers, right, you're gonna tell me they don't smell

(58:11):
that with the second he opens his apartment door. What
did they open the door and go, oh, this is
what fucking gay sex smells like. Just fucking leave him
here and let's go like, are you serious. There's two
dead bodies in the next room, and they let this
kid sit in there. He drilled a hole in his

(58:34):
brain and put They were like what they walk in
the apartment, they were like, this is what dank asshole
smells like. Let's just drop this kid off and go like,
are you serious as a trained police officer. You didn't
suspect anything, You didn't smell anything, you didn't see anything,

(58:56):
and you just let this kid who has blood running
out of his asshold down his legs all looped out
with no clothes on, wandering around in the street. You
took him back to the apartment and you left it
there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmer. It's too bizarre. So, in
my opinion, I think that they are told to leave it,

(59:20):
drop it, get rid of it, cover it up right,
act like you didn't see it.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Move on.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:28):
Maybe not the momps ourselves, but they're the cops themselves
are told to leave it their chief.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yes. So in this particular instance with the guy who
had his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Kraft
came from the LA District Attorney's office specifically. So does
that say anything for you? The orders came down straight

(59:59):
from the l A District Attorney's office to let Randy
Kraft go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Wow, that's what I mean. There's just some high level
players in these cases.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yes, yes, So he basically goes on ripping and running
through dude's buttholes for like ten to twelve years. Nobody
suspects him, nobody, He never gets caught, nothing until let's
see here, I have it in my notes when he

(01:00:29):
gets caught. I believe it was in the eighties, Bennet,
do you remember it was the eighties or.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
It was oh for the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
When he gets busted.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Yeah, it was in here. I can give you exact day.

Speaker 10 (01:00:47):
That's so many holesteen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yes, okay, So May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three. It says
at one ten am he's driving all erratically all over
the place down the highway. He gets stopped by police
officer and they're like, hey, you need to get out
of the vehicle. You're driving like shit. And they noticed

(01:01:16):
that he's drunk. They make him do like a field
so variety test, which he fails because he's fucked up.
And you know, he's just standing there waiting for the
other police officer to inspect the vehicle because one police
officer is giving him the field sobriety test, the other
police officer is checking out the car. They go over
to the passenger side of the car and they realize

(01:01:39):
that there's another man in the vehicle, and you know,
he's like trying to get the man to respond, poking him,
talking to him whatever. He's not responding. He removes the
jacket from the man's lap to uncover that Randy actually
wasn't driving erratically because he was drunk. He was driving

(01:02:00):
erratically because he was in the middle of sawing this
guy's pecker off. And this guy is dead as fuck,
and you know, he's had all the things happened to him.
All the Randy Craft special has happened to this guy,
and they still do not arrest him for murder. They

(01:02:23):
arrest him for driving under the influence, even though he
has a whole dead guy in his passenger seat with
his pecker halfway sowd off murder. He gets arrested for
driving under the influence, not for having a halfway cut

(01:02:45):
off pecker guy in the passenger seat of his car.
Tell me that makes sense. It was only after he
was arrested for driving under the influence when they finished
the investigation in his car where they found the scorecard
book with the names of victims, and they found several

(01:03:08):
photographs that he had taken, much like Jeffrey Dahmer, of
men posed in different sexual positions who were deceased, and
they put all the puzzle pieces together. In my opinion,
this is a case of he cooked his own goose.
There was too much that was visible for them to

(01:03:28):
try to save or salvage this guy. I think like
at that point he was busted and they were gonna,
you know, he was gonna have to pay the piper.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
But he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Was able to get away with this forever, forever, long
you know, and uh, it's like, how do you how
do you respond to that? It's like the police officer
stops you and it's like you've been drinking a night. No, officer,
I'm actually just trying to saw this guy's pecker off.
How about you? Like what you how do you? At
that point? You're fucked, You're done. You have a dead

(01:04:04):
body in the car. You can't you know, you can't
get out of it. So he did. He did get
the death penalty, but they were only able to get
him on like Bennett, do you remember like teen sixteen? Okay,
I was going to say a fraction of the actual
number they have.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
I think they have him. I think it's sixty seven
sixty seven, even though we're sixty one in his book,
so I don't know, you know, maybe started making his
book later or something.

Speaker 7 (01:04:39):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
And also because there were those three guys doing crimes
all around the same time that were identical to Randy,
it's like, was it did Randy kill sixty seven of them?
Maybe just sixty one and the other were from the
other guy, or it's like they had a hard time
kind of pinning this shit on him because there was
so much much confusion around who was actually doing this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
And he still has never admitted to anything. He swears
that he's innocent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I actually want to talk about the two other serial
killers who were ripping and running through dude's bat holes
around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,
could you pull up a picture of this guy so
the listeners can see. Yeah, I just I just want
everybody to look into the eyes of the government cheese
killer before we move on, because I'm telling you this,

(01:05:34):
whatever you've imagined in your head, he looks just like that.
He looks like a little fucking pencil dick, fucking nay motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Yeah, do you want me to pull it up?

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
And I got it? I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Here he looks like a young mister Rooney from Ferris Bueller's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Day Off.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
The mustache. He's gotten this dugshot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
It's serious, yeah, he So, I just wanted everyone to
look into the eyes of Randy Kraft, the government She's
anus killer before we move on with the presentation, because
look at this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
He was like almost those dead shark eyes though his
eyes just seemed really dead.

Speaker 10 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
And for me, the thing is, he looks kind of spindily,
almost and it's like the kind of guys he was abducting.
They almost have come to the conclusion that he would
have had to have an accomplice because a lot of
the crime scenes, there were two pairs of footprints where

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the body was dumped. There have been seamen analysis that
don't match him, so either somebody else killed him, but
he has pictures of them, so he was there, so
he they're thinking that he actually might have had an
accomplice for all of this, in which case I would

(01:07:13):
say a lot of people think that the Son of
Sam was multiple assailants. A lot of people think the
Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants. A lot of people So
Randy Kraft government, she's a as killer, could have been
in cooots with someone and we may just never know
about that because it's all part of the program. Stuff

(01:07:34):
you're not supposed to know about that. You're not supposed
to know about multiple assailants carrying this shit out. He
could have been working with one of the other serial
killers who got busted for doing these same crimes in
and around the same area. It's like the Sandman. They
met up, they had a fucking cheeseburger together, and they

(01:07:54):
went and ripped and ran through a couple of dudes
beeles and you know, called it like this could be
a real club that they're in. But I'll let you guys.
I'll let you guys jump in and say whatever before
I move on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
What's something like anything that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I mean, he looks better than I expected. I guess,
I don't know after knowing what he's done. It's kind
of yeah, that mental image.

Speaker 9 (01:08:27):
It looks like he I don't know, I snuff film
all over his face.

Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
Sorry, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:36):
I looked. I looked up something really quick. It said
that his dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
His dad got him a job, obviously, so you think.

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
That was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
But I've said that. I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad
helped him out a lot because his dad was a
scientist doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy. And
nobody can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who
had no car, was able to get a five gallon

(01:09:17):
drum of acid into his apartment which was on the
second floor, no elevator, with no help and where did
he get it from? So I mean, I think that
he literally his dad was helping him the entire time.
Who taught him about dissolving bones into a big drum
acid and stuff like that. I don't know, maybe a
scientist guy. His dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout

(01:09:40):
the whole tribe. Every interview, his dad was there.

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
His dad was a chemistry guy, wasn't he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa, you would know. I mean
it's like, if that's what you're into and your son's
a serial killer, would you not have some aspect of
like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes? I mean
to me, it looks like go ahead, or you know,
like whenever we talk about the Laurel Canyon kids, their
parents were in the military and they were serving the country,

(01:10:10):
doing these songs and influencing culture and what have you.

Speaker 9 (01:10:14):
Right, who's to say that these scientists they don't all
have to work at a military base. They could have
had private contracts in their university that the respective universities
that they worked at, and then they were employing their
kids kind of you know, following in daddy's footsteps, just
like the Laurel Canyon kids did. Yes, that's not supposed
to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yeah, one hundred, one hundred. I'm actually going to close
this window right here because the sun is getting in
my ab I'll hang on a second.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Well, and I'm really excited to kind of hear more
about the other serial killers that could have potentially been
helping him, because I think even with Son of Sam,
I think we give these guys way too much credit
for them to be just a working alone.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Yes, not to go back to the show, but like Sammon,
like they were like like exchanging business cards, like hey,
let's work together, you know, like it was like that
whole creepy ass network. You know, it's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Yeah, and then you find out that he was tied
into the Processed Church as well. Yeah right, and he
talks about it, you know, and it's like you find
out who else is tied to the Processed Church is
a huge network, and it ties him to the Temple
set of course.

Speaker 10 (01:11:30):
I mean, Michael Loko, I think so many of us
know that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
The places of power are controlled by some fucked up people, right,
I mean that's pretty evident. I think all of us
here have seen behind that curtain, and this just kind
of is one of those things, Like I mean how
many times Julie did he get there? There was multiple

(01:11:56):
reports of him getting pulled over with bodies in the
car and them not even searching the car or whatever
because you know, and I'm sorry, but you can only
act normal and like, oh, yes, officer, you know so
many times? Six times?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Yeah, and you pull a guy over with the mustache
like that and it smells like dead bee hole in
the car and you're telling me like nobody ever thought,
just like Jeffrey Dahmer's apartments, Like nobody smelled anything, nobody
saw anything. It's like, yeah, as a police officer, are
you not trained to like use all your five senses
to like pick up on it? Like every is every

(01:12:37):
police officer really just that incompetent or is there something
going on with this guy?

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
So just well sorry, I don't want to cut anybody off.
But I was also a cop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So were you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I there's no guess, but don't judge me too late.
But at the end of the day, like that's that's
this is like policing one on one and again, you know,
do we give it a pass? Because it was like
the seventies and it was just weird and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Red bodies smelled this thing from the beginning. It's That's
what I'm saying. But it's like at some point this
guy's car had to be a picture because he used
to carry like photographs of the dead people in his
car with him. So somebody, yeah, nobody saw, nobody saw anything.

Speaker 8 (01:13:31):
Nobody like you, Doc, Well, I think that maybe as
far as you know, having so many run ins with police,
like you said, you can only act normal so many times.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
But what if you know you're not going to go
to jail, you're not going to be arrested. You have
that confidence that you're going to be let out. Of course,
you're going to be calm, cool and collected, even when
you have a decapitated corpse because you know you're going
to be out in three hours or twelve hours.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
They're not going to hold you because.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Right, yeah, your buddy's the eighty eight on shift.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
That's the thing. And that's why I think they were
so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.
I mean, he escaped from prison twice. Twice, you escaped
from prison. It's like this guy knows, you know, like
there's something up here. So the two other guys that
were ripping and running through dude's buttholes in and around

(01:14:26):
the same time as Randy Craft, the first guy's name.
He was also known as the Freeway Killer. Just like
Randy Craft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kerney. And I'm
not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy,
but he's a prolific serial killer out of the sixties
as well. That, just like Randy Craft, was from southern California,

(01:14:49):
and he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victim's
hearts and lungs out. And he's known to have killed
at least twenty eight young men in the way he
raped them and then he would dismember them, disembowel them,
and just like Grandy Craft, it's like, how do you tell?
And then he would dump them on the side of

(01:15:10):
the freeway. How do you tell who's doing what? When
you got two guys in southern California who are both gay,
ripping and running through young men in various ways, and
you look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, Okay, what
are the other similarities. Patrick Kearney was in the Air Force,

(01:15:36):
just like Grandy Craft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent and
he spent a lot of time stationed at some type
of Air Force base in Texas, where he became best
friends with Lee Harvey Oswalt. I can't make this shit up,

(01:16:02):
you guys. Of course he did. After Patrick Kearney joins
the Air Force, he is sent to Dallas, Texas, and
he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald and they go to language
school together. They become best friends, and he has he
said that he drove Lee Harvey Oswell to the Mexican

(01:16:24):
border and went to Mexico City with him on top
secret operations, then returned to California to rip and run
through dude's buttholes with Randy Kraft also in the airs,
shoving socks up people's bee holes. And it's like, okay,
what are some other weird things about Patrick Kearney that

(01:16:44):
fit the program to kill Blueprint? When he returned to
California before he started his murder spree, he bought a
yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to pick up all
of his victims, just like fucking Ted Bundy. So it's like,
come on, you guys, is that just the murder vehicle?
That's just so random? He's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.

(01:17:08):
He's in the Air Force. He's ripping and running through
dude's buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle, just like
Ted Bundy. I mean, yeah, he's just checking all the
boxes literally literally. So he was also a necrophile, something
that Randy Kraft did not do that Patrick Kerney was

(01:17:29):
involved with. But much like Ted Bundy, he was into necrophilia.
And it's kind of like I said at the beginning
of this episode, you got to understand that there's like
this governmental program aspect of it, but there's also a
lot of ritualism. And I think that there's a lot
of ritualism in the way that they killed their victims.
I think there's a lot of ritualism in necrophilia and

(01:17:51):
a lot of the like taking the hearts out of
the victims, you know, doing this stuff. It's it's significant
to them. And you know, just the fact that he's
documented as being friends with Lee Harvey Oswald, it should
bother people, you know, because this guy was getting away

(01:18:12):
with it for a really long time, just like Randy
Kraft was, and they couldn't even tell the victims apart.
They were so similar. Tell me, these two didn't know
about each other. They had to have. And then in
nineteen sixty eight, the third guy pops up and his

(01:18:33):
name is William Bonnen and he was also referred to
as the Freeway Killer. So Randy Kraft, Patrick Kearney, and
William Bonnen were all known as the Freeway Killer. They
all were raping and torturing and murdering boys in southern California.
And he's he confessed to twenty one murders and he

(01:18:55):
was also specifically in the Air Force. Around the same time,
Patrick Kearney and Randy Craft were in southern California perpetrating
almost identical crimes as each other, and was able to
get away with it from nineteen sixty eight until nineteen eighty. So,

(01:19:16):
I mean, you guys, it's it's too much. It's too much.
What are your thoughts on this so far?

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
Yeah, it's almost like too much to be coincidence, you know,
it freaking wild spot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I've never heard of them, all three of them, or
one just just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
The main guy, but I mean, yeah, all three of them,
even looking into serial killers, I've never He's never crossed
my path so well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Out of this southern California area, the Golden State Killer,
also military. Right in California, there was a guy named
Lonnie David Franklin Junior, known as the Grim Sleeper, also military.
He started murdering in and around nineteen eighty five Richard Ramirez.

(01:20:15):
Did you guys, Do you guys know about the military
connection with Richard Ramirez? I didn't, Okay, let me tell
you what I found. Would you say name?

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
I know I've come across it somehow, but I don't
remember what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
So people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having military connections.
But I found this interesting little article on him, and
it says that at the age of twelve, Richard Ramirez
was taken under the wing of his older cousin named
Mike Valez, who was a soldier in the US Army

(01:20:52):
who himself had become a serial killer and a rapist
during his service in the Vietnam War, and Valis often
boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and shared
polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who he
had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So, in my opinion,

(01:21:14):
he has military esque connections right because his role model.
His older cousin, Miguel Mike Valles, was in the US
Army during Laurel Canyon, right Vietnam shit, dismembering, disemboweling, and
decapitating women's heads off, and this is who Richard Ramirez

(01:21:35):
grew up as his role model. So to me, that counts.
That's like a sub sect of the program to Kill Academy.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
That's that's weird stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:21:48):
Julia Fie, Yes, go ahead really quickly. In that you
talked about how these three, these three men were they
all air Force. Yes, author, So we have the Air
Force being created in nineteen forty seven. It is an
offshoot of the Navy. It's brand new, and they're doing

(01:22:09):
a lot of testing. They're doing a lot of experimentation.
A lot of the guys of some of Los Alamo's,
the Atomic Commission and all that other stuff is kind
of in this whole realm esque of things. And if
you hear by Los Alamo's, you know it's not just
looking for the splitting of the atom. There were doing

(01:22:30):
all kinds of other stuff as well. And then you
have the connection that you made with Lee Harvey Oswald
and I think Nick and I kind of flirted with
the idea of doing a show on this because Lee
Harvey Oswald has intense connections to have never left the military.
He was always doing some sort of secret op with

(01:22:53):
the military. He comes from a prominent family. He was
also involved in the testing in a medical government contracted
facility in New Orleans where they developed a weapon to
potentially kill Fidel Castro in the form of fast acting
cancer vaccine. He is very intimately related with that entire

(01:23:16):
project as too far that the girl he was dating
at the time who was doing the experiment, they were dating,
so he was there. So you have the Texas Louisiana connection,
you have the military connection, you have the experimentation, you
have going down to Mexico. You have all of that,
and then now have these serial killers who were in

(01:23:38):
the Air Force, and you're having the Air Force and
all kinds of testing. I don't know that you need
any more connections.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
I'm with you, Lisa, one hundred Yeah. I mean you
painted a beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke
it and Bennett and Jules would agree is this is
definitely by design. This is an experiment. They're figuring shit
out right. It's all part of this Laurel Canyon esque era.

(01:24:07):
And I think that the music scene and the serial
killer scene are the were projects that they were interested
in and pursuing during this time. They were the training
wheels for what was to come. I mean, look at
how serial killers and how music has changed since then.
It's like they just it gets worse with time, it

(01:24:30):
doesn't get better.

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
I wish the CIA would come back and fix some
ship up because I'm so fucking sick of like Lady
Gaga and stuff like that, Like bring back like the
Laurel Canyon Jim Morrison ship. I love, Yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
Like since eighty nine, the amount of serial killers is
just gone straight down.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Oh god, yeah, I would love. I would love a
renaissance ofthing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
That'd gone away or anything. I'm just saying that it's
way less since nineteen eighty nine. That seems to be
the tipping year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
So here's a question for you. So how many of
these serial killers do you think are organic? And like
just hypothetically in how money are by design, Like if
I had to put a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Percentage on it, like you know I have in my lifetime,
which I'm not older any shit like that, But I've
never met a serial killer. I've never known anyone who
has met a serial killer. So it's like it makes
you wonder how many of them there actually are, or

(01:25:43):
if the numbers are inflated, and how many of them
are organic?

Speaker 11 (01:25:50):
So yeah, and how these strange connections you know, it's yeah,
they all seem to have these strange connections, and so
it's kind of like, you know, does it just a
natural I mean, side psychopaths obviously exist, but to go
so far as to, you know, do what some of
these guys do, it's just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I want to say, like maybe maybe ten percent I
don't know if you guys could agree with me, but
maybe ten percent are just random psychos that like murder
their mom or something or less.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Yeah, yeah, like Ed Kemper, did he have any ties
to the military or anything or probably.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
It seems like there is a lot right of folks
tied to the military. Now, the one thing I am
going to say about that is that you do have
an an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military, and
they can go one of two ways. So it's just like,
I'm sorry too, but the way that cops are you

(01:26:54):
cops are just their psychological profiles are right on that
razors edge of either you can neither be a cop
for good or you can just be a fucking psychopath, right, murderer,
like the perfect criminal. Right. So I not I'm not
saying all cops. I'm saying a lot of them psychologically. Especially.

(01:27:16):
You have those guys in the military, especially guys and
special ops who frankly a lot of them are and
we all know who they are that that are there
for not because they love God and country. They're there

(01:27:37):
because of clout or because they frankly want to kill
people or they we everyone that's been in the military
knows one of those guys. So it's like, so, do
those psychopaths just live and then and then if they
go to war and get broken by shit that they
have to do or whatever, does that just exacerbate things?

(01:28:00):
Who knows? I don't know. I'm just thinking of psychological trauma.
Is trauma is a crazy thing.

Speaker 8 (01:28:08):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Said too it also maybe they do some bad ship
and then that opens the door for them to get
corrupted by whoever or whatever.

Speaker 10 (01:28:22):
Physical or non physical entity.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
That's right, I mean, Doc, Doc brought it up in
the thing. It sounds like, you know, terrestrial spirits sometimes
like some of these things like fuckers do some wicked
ship and open some crazy fucking doors and let in
some crazy stuff. I mean, because when you get bored
in the military too, they just do dumb shit. It's

(01:28:45):
teenagers doing dumb shit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
I think if you're if you're highly functioning enough and
it's and it's scouted out early enough, yes, that they
will choose very young men to be you know, used
in unspecified capacities inducted into the military.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
And so many of these people and again I'll say it,
it was brought up in the chat adults that were
bullied as kids flexing now like flexing, Oh we've got
the power now. You see that a lot with police officers,
You see that a lot with the military folk and
people in power, and then they just get addicted to that. Right,

(01:29:29):
So I mean, but.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
To the point, but to the point of murdering is
what we're Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Now, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
And because serial killer or.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Just yeah it's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Still, I still would say only ten percent are the
ones you're talking about, like from a young age or
like you know, a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Power saying I'm saying that they there's an mo right. Definitely,
people that can be manipulated. Yeah, the folks and the
people that that we've been talking about and that you've
been alluding to the fact that they're controlled. That's how
they recruit them anyway, because they can be molded and

(01:30:10):
manipulated and twisted and boom there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Well, you know who else I think it's like best
I think I think cops, military surgeons, and doctors.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
I think they killers were doctors.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
You heard of that one doctor who was literally running
around fucking murdering the shit out of people.

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
I have one. I have one in my hometown in Connecticut.

Speaker 10 (01:30:39):
Family.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
He put his whole family through a wood chipper.

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
There's been a few of them that were also just interested.
And I found this interesting because because of certain things
like when it comes to the occult, you know, we've
me and Lisa have covered like you know, there's books
back in like the sixteen seventeen hundreds of people are
drawing like detailed ship and it's just like, how are
you coming across that? And probably fun cutting open dead
bodies or whatever, you know, who knows what's going on?

(01:31:03):
And like in the movie from Hell, didn't she Like
in the movie from Hell, they show kind of like
Freemason's cutting people open and looking at him and stuff,
and that Jack the Ripper movie. But like, I uh, fuck, oh,
you know how many there has been a few serial killers,
and I've just wondered, like it's just like some weird
shit that's like common and maybe is the occult somehow

(01:31:24):
you know, involved in it where they're very interested in
cutting people open and seeing their insights. There's been a
few of them that even say that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Like they taken of the heart out, the taking of
like the like Jack the Ripper, one of the very
first serial killers to ever by the way, definitely if
Programmed to Kill was around for that time period, fucking
Jack the Ripper would have been one of them. Because
I have heard that it was like Auster Crowleys.

Speaker 10 (01:31:54):
I've heard he was he was an English lord.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
He was part of one of those bloodlines and they
just kind of let them out on the loose at
at night.

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
We're just like he'll come back in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Also heard that he was acting on behalf of the
one Petrova what's her names king, Yes, she was acting
on her behalf because she was actually more popular.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
He was kind of doing these these kind of uh
you know, these murders as these rituals in the field,
and she was maybe doing the incantations and stuff behind
the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
She was the mind behind the murder.

Speaker 10 (01:32:34):
The magic or the Yeah, if.

Speaker 9 (01:32:37):
You look at the victims, there were certain victims that
had missing body parts. Yeah, female, it was almost like
a stuck curement.

Speaker 10 (01:32:44):
Were they making a freaking star.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
It was like uterus tits, like weird stuff like that.
They would they were removing that like specifically.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
You can look it up right now.

Speaker 10 (01:32:58):
Or they were trying to make some timunculous something.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
Uh, you could look it up now on the internet
if people, you know, want to check it out. Alista
Crowley blames Helena Bolovotsky for Jackson River.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
That's what I'm saying, Nick, Like, there's always an aspect
of this that's magical.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
He said that other people were doing it for like
a ritual some sort of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
But when you look at like modern day serial killers,
don't you get that same vibe Like with Jeffrey he
wanted to. He said, I want to build an altar
out of the bones. I want to build an altar
with the skulls and the bones and the he was like,
I'll paint it black and I'm going to turn this
guy's skull into a lamp and like do all this
stuff with it. And then he said he couldn't get

(01:33:41):
charged up to like go murder people unless he watched
The Exorcist Part three or some shit like that, and
like he would wear yellow contacts and he would do
all this. It's like, to me, there's a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:33:52):
Of ritualism, but it's almost like, why does he need
to get charged up? I thought you would if you're
a serial killer, you ought ramatically just do it on
the fly. I mean, like it's on it's on drip right,
Like you know, you don't need to get charged up
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Like he's he should be juiced up and ready to
go at all times.

Speaker 9 (01:34:11):
Like you got you got you know, your to do list,
You've got your honey do list for the week, and
you're like, crap, no, I have to go do this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Well have you been in Oh go ahead, Britt, I
was going.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
To ask, have you guys seen the show The Hunting Party?

Speaker 9 (01:34:28):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Okay, So when you were talking about, uh, you know,
potentially some big players involved Basically the premise of the
show is it's about serial killers who either go to
jail or get caught, and they're supposedly say they get
the death penalty or go to jail, but really they're
taken to this black CIA site where they testing on them,

(01:34:54):
and they they're not really dead, and long story short,
it's it ties back to the Attorney General who's actually
running this site, and they're running tests on these serial
killers and somebody like explodes this silo and they all escape,
and then it's up to this like CIA black Ops
team to go procure them all because they want to
test their empathy. They want to test to see if

(01:35:17):
they can cure them or fix them or Wow, they.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Really thought outside the box on that one. Like I
wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from. I don't know.
It's like, you know what I'm saying, but that that's
just just that's just real life stuff. Like sometimes I
watch a show and it's supposed to be like fantasy
or whatever, and I'm like, dude, that no, that's real,
like that black mirror shit. No, sorry, that's our reality

(01:35:42):
right now. Like we're living in American horror story. This
is all real you know, murderers, witches.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Methods, what they're doing anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
So yeah, and actually I wanted to mention as one
of the other serial killers that I want to talk
about eventually with you guys, is that Dating Game Killer
came out of Southern California as well in the sixties,
also military background, and he was said to be he

(01:36:17):
had like a genius IQ and shit, and he went
on to study film under Roman Polaan Ski, shocker, and
he found his way onto the Dating Game Show, one
of the most popular shows on television back then. So
you tell me there's not some type of connections with

(01:36:38):
these fucking guys. The Dating Game Killer murdered like one
hundred and thirty women and he was friends with Roman
Polayan Skis from Southern California. He was in the military.
He has a genius level IQ. He found his way
onto the Dating Game show and he won that round
of the dating game. And it's like, that's why they

(01:36:58):
made a movie about it on Netflix, because that girl
refused to go out with him even after he she
picked him because she said he gave me the creeps.
That just goes to show you a woman's intuition. But
that guy definitely checks all the boxes for program to kill.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
And Randy Kraft didn't he have a really high IQ
as well, like one hundred and twenty nine.

Speaker 9 (01:37:22):
Yeah, don't they always have a really high IQ? Most
serial killers have.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I think i Q. I think that's the that's that's
what they look for. I think that's their preference. I
think John Wayne Gacy was halfway retarded.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
I think I think that's IQ.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've
been like, were you like the last pick? You know,
like everybody else you know, and it's like I have
to pick one. I guess I'll take me. That's class
d U, Yeah, class D.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Yes, yes, There's been a couple of serial killers that
have been like, how the fuck did you even murder anybody?
You're so stupid.

Speaker 9 (01:38:11):
It would be like setting apex predators in that they
are not necessarily killing for survival, they're killing just to kill,
and the fact that they are high IQ. That that
pretty much, I mean, I would think constitutes apex predation.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Well, you know who else kind of fits this mold.
I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him,
but his name was Herb Baumeister and he took a
bunch of he was gay serial killer that took a
bunch of guys back to his house and said, you know,
I'll give you some drinks and you can swim in
my indoor swimming pool, and then he would drown him

(01:38:52):
in the pool and do all kinds of weird stuff
to him. William Ramsey actually talks about her Baumeister because
he's another one that fits the program to kill model.
And I'm pretty sure he has a military background. I'm
not sure if he's from California, but he's said to
be like genius level IQ type of guy. He was

(01:39:12):
a family man, had kids on the side, was a
gay serial killer. Like where do they where do they
find these guys? Like literally.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
It's crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
Yeah to Brooks question, I think prior to nineteen forties,
I think if we were a serial killer, you're probably organic.
But after that I think you were astroturfed, had the
high potential to be That's that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Well, so government, She's anus killer is still alive. Actually
he's on death row. If you want to write him
a letter, tell him, you you know, tell him you
listen to a rather interesting episode about him on a
podcast and just wanted to know. I heard you were

(01:40:10):
the government cheese anus killer. Please let me know if
you are CIA or and ormentaryan candidate. Thank you, and
you know, we'll see before the grim Reaper comes for
him on death row if he ever fesses up. He
still says he has no memory of his crimes. Yeah,
I mean that, that to me is really interesting. If

(01:40:31):
that's true and he has no memory of doing any
of that's like, what type of deprogramming shit are you
on that you just don't remember? And he will stand
by that that he just doesn't remember any of it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
So find it crazy too that the most active period
of serial killers in the US is between nineteen seventies
and nineteen nineties. Specifically, the eighties saw the highest number
of active serial killers.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Yeah, I mean I think were they?

Speaker 9 (01:41:08):
I think so?

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
And some of the most well known serial killers operated
during peak period. Bundy Dahmer, Mira's, Kasey Kemper, all these
guys crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
I forget the research into a lady in there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's another one. The guy that like
made lamps out of people's uh fores games and ship
there's they're supposed to be doing a Netflix documentary thing
on that guy with the same guy that did Dahmer,

(01:41:48):
Evan Peters. I think he's supposed to be playing ed
Gian in an upcoming You know, it's always like the
ones that gets face realized he is fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
But in my opinion, that guy Psyche is gone, like
from him being on American Horror Story to portraying all
the characters he did on there than Domer now this, Yeah, man,
that guy's cooked.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
He probably is, But I just think there's got to
be more to this story if they want to make
a docu series on Netflix about it, Just like The
Menindas Brothers, there's more to that story too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
And it's crazy. Like the seventies you had three hundred
individuals active serial killers, right, yeah, the eighties was two
hundred and fifty, and then from by the twenty tens
you were down to fifty. And that's I mean, of
course these numbers are you know, what what what they what?

(01:42:45):
They they think they know, right, but what a decline
that's insane, Like I mean, it just shows what was
happening exactly, and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Mastered it and they moved on yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean one hundred. I think I think the sixties were
the training wheels. The eighties were like boom, now we
really got it. And then it was like, okay, now
now that we've you know, mastered this, let's move on
to a new, bigger and better things.

Speaker 4 (01:43:15):
Who knows, you could have gone to different countries.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Too, just saying, right, and I think they've taken their
sacrifices up to a whole new scale.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
There you go, different, different.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
Coming in with the mass murder, Sandy Hook and call
them bye.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
They could have also diverted their attention to these weird
cult scenes. We got Waco, we got I mean so yeah,
after the eighties things started to look a little bit different,
but the body count didn't change.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
I was even going to say, I wonder if some
of the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,
but less of them.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
And also we got into two giant wars. Ah, yes, yep,
ye talk about body counts. I'm not saying our guys
necessarily either.

Speaker 9 (01:44:13):
How much of it has gone online and you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
Know, yeah right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
You know, well, yeah, we know every media tells us.
So if it's not being reported, you wouldn't know unless
you you know where to look.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Yeah, and I oh, go ahead, Lisa.

Speaker 9 (01:44:32):
No, just real quick, sorry, Julia, I don't, I can't.
I'm sorry about interrupting the whole episode. Just it's so exciting.
The entire the entire content is just so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
I love hearing. Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:44:43):
But everything you said, how they all have military background,
the commonality with the serial killers at this time frame,
all have commonality of being in the military. If we
look at these mass murderers, especially some of the people
that are involved with with big shootings and what have you,
they all wore under surveillance of FBI, every single one
of them. So there is a commonality with some of

(01:45:05):
these signatures that there there's a thread, right, So it's
almost like it has the signature that you're looking for
in these serial killers or these mass murderers. Probably is
behind the payroll.

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
You see that thread run through the colts too. Oh,
the FBI was watching. I was watching.

Speaker 9 (01:45:25):
Where are their pensions coming from?

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yes, Lisa, definitely, I mean you nailed it. Where is
some money and like some of this stuff, well, they have.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
A job and then a lot a lot of these
FEDS end up going missing later committing suicide or you
know that it's uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
On a yeah, well, and it's like how did they
if you really look back in time, It's like how
did they sustain their lifestyle? Because Jeffrey was supposed to
have worked at like a chocolate factory during the day,
and like, I had all this money to buy five
gallon drums of acid, power tools, rent for his apartment,

(01:46:12):
and do all these things. He's working part time at
a fucking chocolate factory. He's taken dudes out to bars
every single night. He's got money for drugs, he's got
money for alcohol. He's got It's like, who's the same.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Thing with Columbine and all the guns at Columbine. It's like,
how did those kids get those guns?

Speaker 10 (01:46:29):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
And all that AMMO the like, no, it was given
to them, it has.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
To be right. It's like, where are they getting the
fucking funds?

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
Yeah, I don't know how truthful this is. I mean,
I guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in
the Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on
TV or in the movies, you see these people living
in like mud huts. But yet they're like shooting helicopters down.
How the fuck did you even get those weapons?

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
Someone gave it to a obviously if that's it's the case,
somebody funded these people too. I mean, all you do
is you drop off a creative fucking shit. Somebody's gonna
start touching with him, playing with it. Just have a helicopter,
Just drop it in the village there you go have.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Fun, right or I mean it's like, do you guys
ever remember Ted Bundy ever having a job ever? Like,
did it ever say? He worked part time at Wendy's,
He shined shoes at a train station, Like, did he
ever have a fucking job ever? But he's able to
buy train and plane tickets to Florida, He's able to

(01:47:32):
live in multiple areas of the US, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.
He's always on the move, he's always staying at luxury
hotels and shitept.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
That he came from the family, that Bundy family, you know,
which is a well known American Illuminati bloodline. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
His dad was definitely military, so maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
He did come from that bloodline and they were just
well to do, but still getting funded.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
You know, somebody's funding this shit, somebody's given them stuff.
I mean, the second I see a Netflix movie or
documentary pop up about a serial killer, I immediately want
to start looking into them because it's like, oh, this
is one of yours, right, this is the this is
one of the It's like it kind of makes me
want to look at Scott Peterson. It kind of makes

(01:48:31):
me want to look at you know. I talked to
JJ about OJ and I learned a lot of interesting
information because it's like these ones that get propped up. Please,
for the love of God, look into him, because you
will find stuff that will rock your fucking world. It
will make you look at everything differently. And it's like

(01:48:52):
they got zac Efron to play Ted Bundy, like really
like one of the sexiest guys of all time, so
you fan what fantasize about him. It's weird, maybe a
pretty good job. He like there's like a sexualization to
it though, right, Like, why would you pick such a
handsome man to put And it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:14):
Was wasn't Bundy.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
He's supposed to be like handsome or whatever, like that
era or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
He would he wouldn't know, Zach Effer.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
You know, it was weird though, Like now when you
want to get into like the drue crimeer, nowadays you
had like supposedly mad crazy chicks are going nuts for
sucking the kid from Idaho four and it's like, yo,
that dude was like fucking funked.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Up, looking like people who said the Columbine one of
the Columbine was attractive? Am I wrong about that?

Speaker 5 (01:49:45):
You could just be like people who are attracted to
sick folks. What it could really mean is that just
humanity's at that point right now.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
There's women who get off on right, and.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
It's just become so desensitized. And I think I used
to be really big into the true crime. I used
to love listening to true crime podcasts, and I think
I just got to this point where I'm like, I
just can't consume it as much anymore, looking into such
a dark psyche like that. And it's like, you're right,
all of these crime shows are so mass produced. It's
these documentaries and people like drool over it and feed

(01:50:18):
over it, and it's kind of I've gotten to a
point now where I'm kind of disgusted by it, Like
how people get so excited over I know you're talking
about the guy who remember the guy who killed his
family I think can't remember his name, and then he
had that girlfriend on the side and he literally killed
his baby.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Girls in the oil fields.

Speaker 10 (01:50:36):
Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
He's another one of those guys that women go crazy over.
And I just think that the way that true crime
is pushed out in this murder and you know, just
all this girls, it's just gross how much.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Idolizes they idolized.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Yes, it idolizes it. And to me, like, I'm with
because I I used to watch the crime shows. I
used to listen to crime junkies podcasts. I used to
listen to There was a girl that I used to
follow on YouTube that would do her makeup and like
talk about serial killers and shit, she's real cute. But

(01:51:17):
the problem is, it's like, and I don't want to
sound like I'm better than anyone, but it's like, you're
not giving people the full truth when you talk about
this stuff. If you're not going to mention that these
are most likely by design murderers who have been turned
against their own people and created by secret military programs,

(01:51:40):
I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the death part in
the murder part and the killer part, but you're not
talking about where they came from or why they even exist,
because until like the sixties, nobody was worried about you know, hey,
did you make sure the front doors? We don't want

(01:52:00):
fucking Richard Ramirez to come in here and rape grandma,
Like nobody was talking about that. So, I mean, if
you're gonna get into the true crime, you have to
back it up with where it potentially came from the
whole serial killer movement, much like the Laurel Canyon. It's
it's a setup, and you know, we've we've fallen for

(01:52:23):
it totally, and.

Speaker 9 (01:52:25):
How much money it has generated as a genre, yes,
huge energy.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
Oh energy, Yeah, you know there's even I've even mentioned
this with uh. It's about with Lisa, Uh, just talking
about the podcast in general, just like sometimes like either
the show not going through so much growing pains, but
maybe like me deciding like what do I really want
to do? What do I enjoy doing? And I had
said at one point, even with the True Crime, I said,

(01:52:54):
it's almost like uncomfortable because it's like you are kind
of like pimping out, like real fucked up shit, and
like at one point, yeah, and I was like and
at one point, like when the show first started, that
was a different co host that I had, and they
were very much geared to like always covering pedophilia shit,
you know, very like hashtag save the children type dude,

(01:53:17):
and even that shit was sorry to get to me
because I was like, oh, this is just like fucking
like something like you know, it's like yo, like I'm
not for nothing, but I was just like putting this
shit out, I'm gonna fucking break the internet and stop
it from happening, like what the fuck? Like I don't know.
Just after a while, it's like this is just weird
and just that and true crime. It's just like I
kind of wanted I mean, I know we're doing a

(01:53:37):
true crime now, but like if people were to kind
of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,
you could definitely say that it definitely changed with that.
I think it was like a little too much, and
I just looked at it as kind of like a
little weird. Yeah, and I just hate I'm gonna be
totally honest with you people that are huge into both,
I'm just throwing it out there every cult minded and
that sort of get me wounded out to just be

(01:53:57):
totally honestly.

Speaker 10 (01:53:59):
Yeah, I think it's good to take it in small doses.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
That's why, you know, my show is not mainly about
true crime or the pair of political realm. But I still,
you know, I produce a show every Tuesday that dives
into Mark, Mark Dutroux and the Process and Temple is City,
you know, so I get my feel of all that stuff.
But yeah, I feel you on just like the constant

(01:54:23):
consuming of it.

Speaker 10 (01:54:24):
I couldn't do it. I couldn't talk about it like
that either.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
Well even for me, it was just like even for
the whole thing of the show, it's like I'm like,
I'm not trying to actually pedle fear. I'm actually trying
to pedal like, you know, not so much knowledge but information.
And it's like all I'm doing is just handing fear
and hate to my listeners when I cover that stuff
over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
For me, I think the problem with presenting it in
certain ways is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying,
it can almost drain you to a certain degree if
you present it in certain ways. I like to present
it in a way that I would feel like it's
more empowering to the listener, like, can you believe they've

(01:55:08):
ran this program on us? Can you believe the connections
between these guys. This isn't on accident. There's not random
crazy people that are going to come to kids, right
It's like they are running game on us, and we
need to wake up to the fact that there is
not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going
to come and kill you in your fucking house with

(01:55:28):
your kids. There's unless there unless, But you look at
the victims most of the time, they're they're chosen for
a reason. Even with the Manson murders, Sharon Tate and
all those people were chosen for a reason, you know,
And it's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Like, yeah, that that was a sacrifice right there, because
wasn't Polanski shooting Rosemary at the time.

Speaker 10 (01:55:54):
Yeah, there is something there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
I was just gonna say. For me, I think it's
empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it, because
at the end of the day, there are serial killer
shirt Most of them are fucking psychos that have been
ran through some kind of a program. A lot of
the victims, a lot of this stuff is staged. Even yeah,

(01:56:22):
you know, a lot of stuff is, numbers are inflated,
stuff gets there's crisis actors, there's you know. So when
I talk about it, I like to come at it
from an angle of yes, this stuff is real, it's
not what you think it is. You got to look
behind the scenes. Most of these people are connected and

(01:56:42):
just be weary when you see something in the news,
when you see a Netflix documentary, when you see something
like this, you have to look in the background because
when you do, it almost makes you feel better, like,
ah shit, this is all like stage scripted, this is programmed,
this is you know, it gives you back the uh
discernment of is this scary or not? And most of

(01:57:05):
the time it's not because it's like, oh it's another
fucking CIA program. Thanks guys, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Yeah, I mean it's always those guys.

Speaker 9 (01:57:14):
You know me.

Speaker 5 (01:57:15):
Even even like the last thing that I think that
this show even covered, like true crime like me and List,
I covered the Zizians, and when we covered that, I
think we might have spent a total like four minutes
actually talking about what the fuck they did, and the
whole other two hours was actually their connections all through
AI and we're to actually show there's something that's created this.

Speaker 9 (01:57:39):
Yeah, see the funding, the you know, how it's being
propped up potentially.

Speaker 5 (01:57:45):
Yeah, it is a little bit different too, And the
way you covered that way, I'm a little bit more comfortable,
but some people just don't know it's different and.

Speaker 9 (01:57:53):
It covers it. I absolutely love it, like it's.

Speaker 5 (01:57:55):
Very That's why I have heard it all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:57:58):
Though, Yeah, in that it's in depth, but it's not
it's not heavy, yeah for sure. And I know, like
the reason that I was very into true crime and
I still am, I'll admit it, is that I have
a hyper analytical brain that if it's not over analyzing
and piecing and tearing apart things and putting them back together,
I tend to go mad a little bit. And and

(01:58:20):
so that kind of serves as an outlet as a puzzle, like, oh,
there's this puzzle that you my brain can kind of
work on in the background. But then when we started
covering the Smiling Face Killers and seeing how all of
it was contrived and how multiple areas where there were
corners or medical examiners not even investigating the case, I
was like, this is this isn't even a real investigation.

(01:58:43):
You start to loose my brain start to lose the
ability to want to piece it all together because of
evidence it was being presented was manufactured. Almost. So, yeah,
it definitely definitely everything you said really at one hundred
percent agree.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the
same way too, because I think there's a lot of
power and just knowledge, like make yourself aware of simple
explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch
of killers out there and you never know when one's
going to strike and or if you're going to be like, yeah,

(01:59:19):
I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists,
there are real psychos out there. But the ones that
get their own Hulu special I mean the ones that
you know, you you check those sure to.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
Make sure it's locked it's I think those are all
for sure fake. I think those are ways that they
still drain and make money off.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
Of the fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
It's part of the theater, just like politics are part
of the theater, right, just like assassination attempts can be
part of the theater. Just like I mean, it's all
part of the theater. Just like as we were talking
about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago, how
he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Ernie, and

(02:00:01):
like we all know what happened with JFK and stuff
like that, and it's like, dude, it's all part of
this show. They all know each other, they all probably
fucking hang out. This is not an accident. And you
know when you know shit like that, you start to
feel better about Like, Okay, they're doing this intentionally to

(02:00:22):
terrify people. And how about fuck you?

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
But mine is if my notes say butthhole socks in it,
it's a good freaking episode.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
Yes, yes, I mean the next time, next time you
see a body on the side of the road, make
sure you check their be hole for a sock, because
Randy Craft is still alive and he could very easily
escape prison and murder someone near you.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
All right, Uh I realize that's the title is episode, right,
be whole Sick.

Speaker 10 (02:01:05):
It's a good title.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Yeah, Randy Kraft Government cheese, be whole sock killer.

Speaker 5 (02:01:10):
Yes, mm hmm oh damn. All right, Uh well, thank
you very much, Julia. That was awesome as usual. That's
what we love having you on for these Let everybody
know where they can find only your amazing stuff again.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Please, thanks Nick and thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show
and everybody that was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey,
Bennett with this ASMR voice broke amazing, Lisa always insightful,
loved every minute of it. I have my own show.
It's called Cosmic Peach Podcast and it's available wherever you

(02:01:47):
listen to podcasts. And I am in accult reject part time.
Have a show once a week on the Cult of
Conspiracy that you can check out on Saturdays. And yeah,
I I just I like having a good time working
with people having these type of conversations. It's just it's

(02:02:08):
fun and entertaining but also informational. And thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (02:02:15):
Definitely, no, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it. Uh.
You know, when I let the other reject real quick
plug plug theirselves as well, we'll go with Jewels real Quick.
Let everybody know where they.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
Can find you, guys, another banger of a show.

Speaker 10 (02:02:31):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
I appreciate you making me a part of this panel.
Hopefully I can come on for more. Yes, guys, you
can find me on Twitter x whatever, at gray Field Pod, Instagram,
great Field Underscore Podcasts. I'm on Rumble YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts,
all that good stuff locals, and Patreon. You can support

(02:02:53):
me over there, get a free sticker pack. All the
eloheum etamologies go there. They drop there for a week
before they're released to the public. We do esotery book
reviews every Saturday morning with Subliminal Messager. Now, season of
the rat is joining us and those are Patreon exclusive,
as well as the Twin Peaks watch party that we

(02:03:15):
are doing right now, which may commence tonight, if not
here in the next couple of nights. I will let
y'all know. But yeah, Patreon dot com, slash gray Pill
podcast and got a Nephelom Deaf Squad coming on tomorrow
at one thirty Central everyone, so you'll tune in. And
then I think Friday Night, Nick, I think we're going

(02:03:38):
on with Sunday Night Secret Society and and Chef, So
it's gonna be a banger of a swapcast.

Speaker 10 (02:03:43):
We'll have a bunch of people in there, so y'all
come hang out for that as.

Speaker 3 (02:03:46):
Well, and go check out our episode of All Yeah
Already Dead last night if you haven't yet.

Speaker 10 (02:03:54):
Another banger.

Speaker 5 (02:03:55):
So appreciate you guys. Thanks all, appreciate it and Bennett so.

Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
So thanks for having me on. Guys, it was great.
It was so much fun. Be holes and all. You
can find me at the Broadcasting Seeds podcast broadcasting seeds
dot com or all the lovely you know podcast players
of your choice. Awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:04:25):
Thank you much.

Speaker 10 (02:04:27):
I'll followed you over there by the way, Deniciata, thanks
yeah man.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
And our bedtime stories with Bennette.

Speaker 4 (02:04:35):
Hey, you know I'm always looking to do another broadcast,
So there you go. Keep if I don't do enough, and.

Speaker 5 (02:04:43):
Go ahead, Brock. Please let everybody know what they can
find your music shop.

Speaker 3 (02:04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
I just want to thank you for having me on,
and thank you Julia for presenting the topic. I think
you showed us tonight that the web is so much
wider than we thought and it goes deep. But thank
you again for having me on. You can and find
my show Dark Florida wherever you get your podcasts and
interact over on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast.

Speaker 5 (02:05:08):
Thank you very much, Brook, I always appreciate you coming
on the show. And last and not Elise Lisa the
occult reject demanded scientist, what is going on?

Speaker 9 (02:05:17):
Thank you for inviting me? Julia, amazing presentation always and
I know that you know we would, don't I want
to do more serial killers with you. I'm sorry. I'm
just going to come out and say it. I love
the way you cover them. I love discussing them with you.
I would like for this entire Panelytics stay exactly the
same when we discuss another serial killer, please please, please,

(02:05:37):
And so just going to put that out there. Thank
you everyone. I very much enjoyed the discussion. And the
only thing I would like to plug is the Occult
Research Institute dot org, where some of the rejects have
contributed in a literary form content to things that have
been discussed on the podcast or not. But it supplies

(02:05:59):
a lot of information esoteric, ecoteric, what have you. But
please check us out there on a cult research institute
dot org.

Speaker 4 (02:06:07):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:06:08):
Thank you very much, Lisa, and thank you everybody again
on the paddle. That was awesome. I had a great chat,
and thank you for everybody in the chat as well.
That's what's up. I saw a lot of people there
in the YouTube chat from the beginning to end. I
appreciate that. That's where we go live and until the
next one, everybody be well.

Speaker 7 (02:06:24):
Lada doctor, my, I have seen the slow great of
without bride. Now I want to understand.

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
I have done all that I.

Speaker 7 (02:06:52):
Could see theble and the Gude's without hating.

Speaker 2 (02:06:58):
You must help me a few can.

Speaker 7 (02:07:02):
Doctor, tell me where.

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
It is going?

Speaker 4 (02:07:09):
John by.

Speaker 10 (02:07:12):
July the moment, for so long

Speaker 2 (02:07:20):
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