The Secret Life of John Wilkes Booth (Feat. Doc Brown)

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you know, make you think too. Thank you, Doc very
much for coming on man and tonight we got the
Secret Life of John Wilkes Booth. Now, I'm gonna be
totally honest with you. This was a topic that I
didn't know really or I didn't know of this situation
until I saw you post about it and I was like, oh,

(05:40):
I had no idea, And I was like, fucking it.
Hit you upbout it and you're like, yeah, come on,
so well you want to tell us a little bit?
I guess, like, what even got you on to this
topic or made you think about it?

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Honestly, I always said that I was a history buff.
I love history, but I always just consumed, you know,
the the mainstream narrative. And it wasn't until I started
getting in to like the biblical topics and kind of
widely known conspiracies that I started questioning the narrative and
started looking into these other things. And that's something I
even say on the show that I try to try

(06:11):
to take a second look at everything, you know, the histories,
the Bible, all that stuff too, because more times than
not we've been lied to when we go back and
look at it for ourselves. And honestly, I just grabbed
a book. I always go to this place called McKay's
Used Books down in Knoxville. It's like an hour from me.
It's like a three story tall building full of nothing

(06:34):
but books, old vinyl records, collectibles, video games, all kinds
of cool stuff. It's in that building, but I always
go there anytime I'm around Knoxville, and I always spend
at least one hundred bucks every time I go. But
I found this book, and I'll show you guys this.
It's ten of the greatest mysteries been coded, and it's

(06:57):
full of pictures and it's got like little evidence files
you can pull out, you know, like replica documents of
the stuff they're talking about. And that's kind of where
I found this story, and it kind of piqued my interest,
and so then I started deep diving looking into this stuff,
and yeah, once again, guys, there's pretty compelling evidence that
the man that we were told that shot President Abraham

(07:20):
Lincoln and escaped and like twelve days later was shot
in a barn was a lie. You know, surprise, surprise.
There's all kinds of you know, everybody's got theories and
legends and things like that. But there's a couple that
I found that has a really good paper trail, and

(07:40):
I just kind of went down through it and started
finding this stuff. And I just kind of did a
little show about it on my channel for my paying members,
and I put like a little teaser last week on it.
But like we were talking pre roll, I'm one of
these guys. I'm like the dog with the bone, you know,
I have to know everything. So I started researching and

(08:01):
I even found some authors that's dedicated their life to
studying into John Wilkes Booth, Jesse James, and then the
Nights of the Golden Circle. So this was a very
deep rabbit hole. So I'm really excited to sit down
and talk to some of these guys that's dedicated thirty
forty years into this topic. But I've been into it

(08:22):
so far for maybe two weeks now, and I found
a lot of really cool stuff. So I'm excited to
share it with you and some of you guys that
may be old news, because when I shared some of
this stuff on my social media's and stuff, I had
people saying, man, I've known this for twenty years. I'm like,
well I just found out. Bro.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
It's like, oh, fuck me for trying to put something
cool out there. I've never heard of it. I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, Well, I mean, let's we both see what people
see on social media, you know, and it's kind of
these are coming from people who don't have a microphone
and over even their own podcasts.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah slackers.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Well this brings up an interesting continuity. So do you
think the Knights of the Golden Circle are tied to
the Society of the Cincinnati and then ultimately the Knights Templar.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I'm not familiar with the Cincinnati Society, but honestly, the
Knights of the Golden Circle I had never heard of
until this, and so me, I'm just like, I gotta
go see all this stuff. But from what I have
heard and read, it sounds like it's just an offshoot
branch of the Masons. And also it's kind of like

(09:32):
a lot of the a lot of the members once
the organization got quote unquote shut down, uh, just kind
of migrated into the klu Klux Klan movement. But this
whole thing was blew my mind. They're like, you know,
it's a secret society. But what separates these guys is
they didn't write their stuff down. They were extremely secretive.

(09:57):
So the stuff that we know is just from legends
and lore and or people that has come forward and
kind of admitted on their deathbed to some things. But
basically just in a nutshell, these guys they called themselves
the Night of the Golden Circle because they envisioned a
territory like on a map, in a big circle, and

(10:20):
they called it the Golden Circle. And what they wanted
to do was take parts of Canada, North America and
go on into Mexico and circle around to the Caribbeans
and Jamaica and back into Florida. And this was this great,
big Golden Circle. And a lot of the men that
joined this were influential leaders and politics. They were wealthy

(10:45):
farmers and landowners and railroad tycoons. These were the elites
of the time, and they wanted to protect slavery, for one,
because they had a lot of slavery workers fueling their pocket.
But also they just to keep their business kind of
like a monopoly type thing. That's why they even said

(11:05):
it was the Golden Circle. So they were actually putting
these people in this secret society into political office. They
were hanging out at sight of voting booths and intimidating
and beating people to vote the way they wanted them
to vote, and they were even doing what was called filibusting.

(11:26):
And I didn't know what this was un till I
kind of went down this rabbit trail always. When I
heard that, I thought of, oh, that's when they refused
to vote in Congress and they're filibusting. But what that
term actually comes from is people, groups, gangs, whatever, would
go and invade a country or town or territory and
set up a colony and then basically just forcefully take

(11:50):
it over. And that's what we've done with Texas guys.
We moved in and set up a colony and then
we just kicked everybody out and beat them up and
took their property from them. And they were actually in
the process of doing this in Mexico, but all their
plans kind of got thwarted because of the Civil War,

(12:12):
and the Civil War through a big ranch in all
their plans.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Well, in some ways, I think this was like the
escape route for these Civil War major characters. Is they
wanted to set up sort of an alternate republican system
within the Gulf of Mexico. And to me, it just
sounds a lot like the Carthaginians, which had this sort
of massive sea empire. You know, they wanted to have

(12:37):
towns every thirty miles all the way around the Mediterranean
and sort of set up this trade network. And so
what they were looking to do is have that same
sort of trade network still processing and putting in these
slaves and you know, put them all over South America
and just sort of take over the place from the coasts,
which was, you know, kind of a popular thing to do,

(12:58):
especially with the Freemasons, the Mason's. Any time they would
have an outpost and a colony or whatever, they would
do the exact same thing that you were just talking about.
The filibuster. They would make sure that nothing else could
get in and they were the only ones providing resources.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
It was.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
It was you know, monopolization.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Mm hmm, yeah, one hundred percent. And all these main
political figures and these soldiers and the Confederacy and things
like that. They used this Knights of the Golden Circle
as like, how, what's the word I'm looking for? Like,
what was it call when some when the snitch goes
into protective protective custody. They kind of used that. You know,

(13:36):
this was a group that had a lot of money,
a lot of influence, and they would harbor these people,
give them money, send them to go hide out, and
they protected them. And John Wilkes Booth was was one
of those guys.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
He was in the Confederate States of America.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it was funny, but John Wilkes Booth, he was
in he was a member of it. Uh, the well
known Jesse James was in this group. And once the
Civil War broke out, like I said, it kind of
through a wrench in their plan and they kind of
had to divert their attention. And what was wild was

(14:12):
when I looked into this and once again, guys, I'm
a Southern man. I have my biases like anybody else,
but I am not a proponent of slavery whatsoever. But
the narrative that we were given, or I was given
as a child, was that the Civil War started out

(14:34):
to free the slaves. It was all about ending slavery.
And that was a lie what happened. And this is
once again once again. Once I started looking into this stuff,
I found the real narrative was that the Southern states
didn't want to vote for Abraham Lincoln. They didn't want

(14:56):
him as president. And he was going out in public saying,
you know, hey, guys, I'm not coming after the slaves.
I am not a tyrant, I am not a king.
I don't have the rights to take away and say
what your state does. The states ruled themselves individually, and
you can vote for me and rest assured I am
not going to take away your slaves. And so he

(15:20):
got voted in. But when you go back and look,
they had the electoral college back then. He won the
presidency without one single electorial point from the South. He
got voted in just from that upper North, and we
see that even today, so that the South was like,

(15:42):
our vote doesn't even count. How come that little strip
of land up there in New England controls the destiny
of the entire country. We're out we're going to succeed
from the union because obviously our vote doesn't count. And
that's what got it all started. And when you go
to Abrah Lincoln's inaugural speech, he says it again. All

(16:04):
my Southern brothers and sisters, rest assured. I'm going to
stand by my campaign promise. I am not going after
the slaves. You know, I'm not a king, I'm not
a tyrant. The states ruled themselves individually, and I have
no right to take those from you. So rest assured.
You have nothing to worry about, because there was rumors
of succession, but they ended up doing it anyway, and

(16:28):
they were losing to fight, they were losing funding, they
were they wouldn't get enough soldiers to sign up. I mean,
they were losing. So then they drum up the narrative, yeah,
one of the slaves, to get more people to donate
and more people to sign up.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
One of the big things that they were using to
unify a lot of the abolitionists that had formerly not
been a factor in these elections they were standing from voting,
is to say that they were going to free the slaves.
Because the Northern miltionists were causing a major start up
in the North, and to get them on their side,

(17:07):
he had to claim he was freeing the slaves. And
what he Abraham Lincoln himself said, if I could unite
the Union without fraying a single slave, I would And
so you kind of have to look at that narrative
a little bit differently. He wanted total control over the
United States. He didn't want there to be any Balkanization.

(17:27):
He wanted to have it as a single union. They
were getting ready for their big push out west. You know,
he had to have everybody together and that was a
big factor in Bleeding Kansas for example, Right, So this
is one of these precursors to the war, is this
massive fight out in Bleeding Kansas to determine whether or
not this was going to be a North, you know,

(17:50):
non slavery state and or a Southern state. And you know,
they fought it out there, and this was where John
Brown got his big start. And it wasn't until you know,
later on, when he went up to West Virginia that
you see another one of these big kickoffs for the
Civil War, which was he was attacking magazine and he

(18:11):
was going to free all the slaves and in the process,
he actually kills a black man. So as he's going
towards the magazine, there's a black man there as a witness,
and he's got to shoot the witness so that nobody
gets alerted to the fact that they're about to take
over this military site. So, you know, John Brown's though hero,

(18:32):
He was just a scumbag liberal like the kind that
we have today. You know, a lot of people don't
realize that even the heroes that they say were on
the North is just you know, there's not a lot there.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize too. It's
like the Northern you know, settlements colonies, what they used
to be. They were a lot larger territories. And what
did they do. They started busting up these large territories
into smaller states. And they done that to create more
electoral College votes in their favor. That's why even today

(19:07):
you look at a map and ninety percent of it'll
be red or eighty percent of it, and you only
got twenty percent, just a couple little blue dots here
and there. Yeah, their candidate wins because all these little states.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
If Manhattan turns red, whatever Manhattan is, is probably going
to dictate the whole fucking stea fucking yeah. So looking
at how it is in New York, you're like, this
is fun.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
And they're doing it now just a different way. But
they're opening borders and bringing in all these migrants and
where they're saying, hey, we're the ones that let you in.
You know, you better vote for us. So they're creating
more so they can't bust up territories and make smaller
states and create more electoralatorial college points now, so now
they have to flood these already existing states with migrants

(19:54):
that are going to vote the way that they want
them to. And that's why you see all of the
anctuary cities are all in blue states and blue counties
because they're up into population to try to increase their
electoral votes.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
To exemplify this, where I'm sitting at right now in Wisconsin,
during the beginning part of the country, this would be
considered Virginia. Virginia went out that far. So I mean,
these these places were getting you know, portioned out, and
the South was getting left out of everything. You know,

(20:30):
that's where all the big block states are. And it
wasn't really seen as equal treatment. But in a lot
of ways, the South was more advanced culturally than the North.
A lot of these European visitors, in European you know, elites,
wanted to come to the South because it was a
much different kind of a culture than it was up north,

(20:51):
where they had again this immigrant problem and all the
rest of this stuff that they didn't want to get robbed.
They didn't want to go to New York. I mean,
if you've ever seen the movie Gangs of New York,
it was like that. Pretty much all throughout the northeast, Baltimore,
all these places were really rough to go to. The
more industrialized city base was not nearly as you know,

(21:11):
nice and expansive and you know, quiet as the South was.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, And if you remember that movie Gangs in New York,
when they went to the harbor, all those Irish and
English immigrants are coming off the boat. The Union soldiers
were sitting there with the table for you to get
in and get your assistanceship. You had to sign up
for the Union Army, that's right. So I mean that
shows you how what a rough shape they were in
and doing everything they could to try to turn the

(21:36):
tide of the war. So once this happened, once the
war was over and Lee signed the treaty with Grant. Uh.
It was just a few days later. It was on
Good Friday. The North and everybody was celebrating the victory
and unity. Well, of course the Southern states that just

(21:58):
you know, lost their shot at freedom that they were
trying to get. Uh, they weren't so happy, you know
that they weren't happy with the situation. They weren't happy
with with Lincoln. They wasn't ready to celebrate. And so
on that Good Friday, he went to take his wife
to Ford's Theater and they wanted to watch this play.

(22:19):
It was called My Something.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Cousin American, My American Cousin.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, and that's when the night that John Willis Booth
killed the President. And when I got to looking through that,
there was so much stuff that I didn't realize or know.
But John Wills Booth, he was basically our modern day
Tom Cruise. He was a famous, well known actor. You know,

(22:45):
he was known to swoon the ladies. He was the
ladies man, uh, and was just a really famous actor.
And I didn't realize it, but he was so close
with the owner of the Ford Theater that he even
had his mail delivered there. He knew the place like
the back of his hand. Well where he was a

(23:06):
member of this Knight's that the Golden Circle. Him and
a group of conspirators got together before the war was over,
and they were planning on kidnapping the president and holding
him for ransom to get all the Confederate soldiers released. Well,
while they were planning all this, the war ended and
then they started working out trade agreements to release the

(23:28):
Southern prisoners of war. So then therefore his plan was
for not so he kind of given up, but he
went to go pick up his mail, and then the
owner of the joint was like, hey, we just found
out Lincoln's coming tonight to watch the play. He's like,
oh yeah, really okay, So then he drummed up this

(23:50):
thing just on the fly. He's like, well, I'm just
gonna I'm gonna kill this guy. So he went up
and drilled a hole in the sight of the wall
where he could see like a peep hole and check
things out. And he never even tried to hide his identity.
He walked in that night like he owned the place.
Good dad, Yeah, yeah, he said that. He walked in.

(24:16):
He was shaking hands, talk with everybody like everything was
just hunky dory, and he walked up and of course
you're thinking the president should have some security detail. Back
then he only had one or two guys, and on
this night they were a couple of streets down having
drinks with friends. And it says that he walks up

(24:37):
and he knew the play well. And in the third
scene there was this big hit moment where everybody starts
laughing and makes a lot of ruckus and noise. He
planned on going in and shooting him then that way
people maybe wouldn't hear the gunshots or notice it. But
he snuck in that grand scene he shot the president well.

(24:57):
Nearby officer heard the bang and smelt the sulfur and
busted in and Booth ends up stabbing him in a struggle.
And they're in this balcony it's like twelve foot off
the ground overlooking the stage, and so Booth after he
does this, in him being an actor, he couldn't resist
the chance for a final curtain call. He jumped off

(25:20):
the balcony and landed onto the stage, but during his
landing he broke his leg. He broke his left leg,
but he stands up and turns to the crowd, and
of course there's chaos going on, and he proclaims in laighten,
thus to all tyrants. And he was quoting from Shakespeare

(25:43):
when Brutus killed Caesar, because that's what he said. He said,
thus to all tyrants. And then he took off and
there he had his friend of his holding his horse
and ready to for a getaway. And so they ride hard.
I think they said they rode like fourteen miles and
made it to this tavern where there he had food

(26:06):
supplies and guns, safehouse. Yeah, basically it was like a
tavern cool, and so they got their supplies, never even
bothered a booth. Didn't even get off his horse because
of his broken leg. But he couldn't resist to tell
everybody that he just killed the president. He had to
brag about it. And then he keeps riding down further

(26:26):
south and he's in so much pain that he stops
and sees this doctor. I'm trying to thank me. Look
it's I remember his last name was mud Yeah, and
the Whitehouse.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
I used to drive by that every day for work.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, And so he went to see him, and he
was a doctor that he had known and seen before.
Because when the doctor seen him, he knew who he
was and he reached his leg.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
He's not going south. They're looking for him in the south.
That's where they assume that he's going to go. So
where does he go. He goes up north and east
or north and west. So he wasn't he wasn't, you know,
playing along with the you know, the whole trope. He
was going to find a different way to get back
to the South because obviously they had headed him off

(27:15):
at the past. But on the way out there looking
for him, they find this guy named John B. Guida
and he was a Italian born Jesuit that was a
dead ringer for John Wilkes Booth and they kind of
knew each other too. And so this is giving me

(27:38):
a lot of vibes like the Kennedy assassination, right because
they had that a police guy who they called JFK
because you know, he was a dead ringer for him.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
There was also multiple olives walds. That's another thing that
people talk about. There's multiple oswalts, Like somebody saw him
running up the staate, another person saw him like by
the grassy knoll, another person saw him like whatever. There
was like multiple assassins. They all looked the same and
they were all Oswald.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
There's a recent picture with Oswald standing close to the
Kennedy you know limousine.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, get up right right. So that's where like the
multiple Oswald thing comes in. So there could possibly have
been like multiple John Wilkes booth like, you know, to
throw people off the trail. But you know, it's interesting
to me with this whole Nights of the Golden Circle
thing and then quoting Shakespear and you know, Lincoln was

(28:43):
doing seances and shit at the White House. It was
conjuring shit. Definitely into some weird stuff. And also they
say that Lincoln had some form of like weird gigantism
and he was probably descended from some weird motherfuckers, uh family, Yeah,

(29:05):
that's what I'm saying. Like it wasn't like he was
yeah right, neflom Ship, It's not It's not like, oh,
he was just a really tall guy and he liked
to wear these top hats that made him look like
a fucking magician. No coincidence there, Uh, But no, he
had some kind of weird gigantism and he was like
half retarded or something like that. Yeah, he probably got

(29:30):
a left flip cleft palette like Joaquin Phoenix that got
fixed over time. You know, I don't you know, That's
what I'm saying. He was into some some nefarious ship
and so probably was John Wilkes Booth. Oh somebody already
commented bee hole. The podcast is complete now, hm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Nice.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
It was a great episode.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Do you remember that one?

Speaker 6 (30:04):
Were you that.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I was here for it?

Speaker 6 (30:09):
It's beautiful in the Mudhouse.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
I wasn't here.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I was in the chat.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah you were the chat. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Doctor Mud fixed his leg.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah yeah, Doctor Mutty reset his leg. And what was
crazy is he knew John Wilkes Booth he was part
of the conspirators that were going to kidnap him. But
he had no idea that he killed the president because,
like I said, this was a last minute thing. He's like,
I'm just gonna wing it. And like Hedla said, you know,

(30:43):
he kind of went north for a little bit before
he started going to Maryland. Yeah, Maryland first, because he
was he was panicked, he was freaking out. He's kind
of playing it as he went along because it wasn't planned.
This was a spur of the moment thing, and so
the the doctor set his leg, let him stay at
his house, and he went to town the next morning

(31:06):
and he's seen the Union soldiers and everybody talking about
the old the president was just shot last night, and
he was just like, oh my god, he did it.
He did it. So then he goes back and he's like, hey,
I'm not going to rat you out, man, but you
cannot stay here. You're gonna, you know, implement me in this.
You've got to go. So they pack up and they
take off, and then here's where they go to that

(31:29):
that farm. What was the name of that farm? I
got it in my notes, but it was Garrett Farm.
Garrett Garrett Farm. Yeah, And the way the main sta narrative, Yeah,
the mainstream narrative is that they go to this barn
and they stay with this family for two to three days.

(31:50):
And even when I first heard that, I was like,
this is guy that just killed the president. He's on
the run. He's not gonna stay somewhere two or three days. Man,
He's going to be one to be moving. I mean,
that's how I'd want to be. I'm like, I ain't
sitting still. I'm moving because every day I'm sitting still
they're gaining on me. And they said that on that

(32:11):
night that somehow the Union soldiers found out he was there.
And what I had heard through some people was that
this family, this Garrett family, had found out who he
was what he done, and they played it nice and
sent somebody out to town to tell the union and

(32:33):
then told them, you know, hey, we know you guys
are doing some of the various stuff. You're just gonna
have to sleep in the barn tonight and tomorrow you're
going to be on your way. And supposedly they locked
them in the barn, the tobacco barn, until the Union
soldiers showed up, and that they burned the barn down
to smoke them out, and his co conspirator, George comes

(32:58):
out with his hands up and surrenders. And uh, they
say that John Wilkes Booth come out with a rifle
in hand, and he was shot in the neck and
was killed. And that's the mainstream narrative that we're given.
And what I had found going through here was that

(33:22):
the man that they killed was not John Wilkes Booth,
and they believe it to be this guy named James Boyd,
And uh, can I do a screenschair you can. I
wanted to show you guys this picture this guy that
way people can kind of just see the comparison here. Uh,

(33:44):
let's see is that the plus button share. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Something to be noted here about the tobacco barn, because
tobacco barns are classically all open the air circular around
the tobacco so that it can dry out properly, and
it takes about a year for it to try out.
So these things are open all the top. There's no

(34:10):
way that you can lock somebody in a tobacco barn
because all they'd have to do is slip out one
of the open ports that are open all the way
around this thing.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
So yeah, there was hundreds of doors and they were
all on hinges and they swung open to let the
breeze in to air the tobacco out. And this guy
right here, this picture, this, I believe it or not,
is not John Wilkes Booth James. This is James Boyd
And you cannot tell me that this is that dude's doppelganger.

(34:40):
Broke a lot of like and then some people want
to say, you know, well, if this is the man
they killed, how did he wind up in the barn
with that George guy. Well, they interviewed all these different
soldiers that helped them cross the river and to get
to this farm and set him up there. The Unions

(35:01):
found him and beat him and question them till they
spilled the beans. This Boyd guy was a Confederate soldier.
He also was in the Knights of the Golden Circle,
and he aided Booth into crossing the river and gett
him a ferry and set him up with these garrets.
And when Booth went to pay him for his services

(35:23):
for helping him, he realized his wallet was missing. And
he told Boyd that he had left his wallet on
the ferry that if he would go and retrieve his
wallet for him, he would pay him even more money
he'd bring it back to him. So they go on

(35:44):
to the barn and Boyd goes to retrieve the wallet
and the money. Well, during this time they said that
Booth become anxious and didn't want to stay there, and
George didn't want to go with him, so he went on.
His only left well while they were waiting for him,

(36:08):
and he took off. Boyd returns with the wallet and
the money, and it was late at night, he had
nowhere to go, so he stayed in the barn. And
that was the guy they killed that night. And this
guy's a dead ringer. And when they took his body
to the I can't remember the name of that, it
was some kind of military ship that there was a

(36:28):
doctor there and they took him there for an autopsy
and examination, and the doctor was a Frederick May. This guy,
Frederick May, was a physition of Booth and just a
year or two prior had removed a growth from the

(36:49):
back of his neck, so he knew him well. When
May seen the body, they called him to identify the body.
When he first seen the body, he said, this is
not John Will's Booth. And then his family still has
his records, and in his records he said, when he's

(37:12):
seen the body, it looked nothing like Booth and that, uh,
he had a broken right leg. All the accounts said
he broke his left leg, not his right.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
You think they broke his wrong leg after they shot
him to make it look like it, Because I was
gonna say, wouldn't you just have to see if this
guy had a fucked up leg, you know, just to
make sure if it was the real booth or not.
So they broke the wrong leg on some fucking hurry
up cover job, sloppy bullshit.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
This is like the it doesn't even bother to.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Break the right fucking leg.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
The leg the broke.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
This is like, this is like the flap of skin
on Kennedy's forehead that they cut open. It was so obvious,
but you know, everybody kind of passes it over. What
are you gonna do about it?

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
And that's the thing that when I seen that, I
was like, the guy that operated on his neck knew
him well, said no, that's not him. And then even
in his own notes, states that the wrong leg was broken,
and but then later that the people that want to
go with the mainstream narrative and says, oh, well, he
later recanted after he got to looking at it closer,

(38:30):
that the guy had a scar on the back of
his neck, and yeah, that that was where he removed
that growth that he had. And he later recanted once
he got a better look at him, Well, no, the
government quite put a gun to his head and told him,
you know, hey, our president was just killed and the
killer got away, and we're not going back to Washington
and say that he got away. Uh, so we need

(38:52):
some stability in the country. And I'm not going back
to Washington saying that we screwed up. So you're going
to say this is him.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Is the bad guy? They just it didn't matter, like
they just needed they just needed to get the bad guy.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
They ran across somebody that looked like John Wolke's booth
on their way searching around for him, and they shot him.
And then they're like, well, he does kind of look
like John Wolke's booth.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Not a good day to look like John wilkes booth. No,
not at all. He look like him though, I mean he.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Does for sure. Some of his descendants and like other
researchers have like attempted to get the body exhumed right
to do DNA comparison. But I find it weird that
all the requests have been denied. Yes, I mean, you

(39:51):
want to know, it's not like they've exhumed bodies all
the time on a regular basis. But you know, if
if the family like descendants are actually requesting, you know,
let's do it.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, And they actually have a piece of the spinal
the vertebrae of the cadaver that they killed that they
believe is John Wilkes booth. That it's put up like
in the museum or archive somewhere, and it even has
the bullet hole through it. And they even studied that,
and they said that the guy that's in their reports

(40:29):
that shot John Wilkes booth was like five foot four
or something like that. He was short guy, and that
booth was like six foot and they said so when
they shot, the guy examined that vertebrae and said it
was at a twenty degree downward angle. He said, there's
no way that that guy made that shot because he's

(40:52):
shorter than him. It had been going up instead of down.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
This is like the argument I make for the fake
Paul McCartney. How the fuck did he gain like three feet?
The real Paul was like super short, you know what
I'm saying, And then the accident happened and then he,
like all of a sudden, was six foot tall. And people,
you know, don't know that, because how many times do

(41:19):
you fucking get to meet Paul McCartney. He's not just
gonna be at Walmart one day like, oh, you're super
fucking tall. When did that happen? Nobody the general public
is not gonna know that he puts those.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
Things in his shoes.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Though, It's like it's like with this with this cadaver thing.
It's like, the real John Wilkes Booth is super fucking tall,
but this body that they found is like five to two, right,
But the general public is not gonna know that. Nobody
knows how tall John Wilkes Booth is. Like that's that's
like obscure information.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
M Yeah. And and when I got to looking into that,
like I said, I found a couple theories that show
that he lived of you know, like forty years after
this incident.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Yeah, and nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, And there's a couple of them. There's, of course,
there's a bunch, but there was a couple that really
like grabbed me and it was like, man, this is
this is plausible to me. And a lot of people
got to wrap their minds around the eighteen hundreds. Man,
there was no internet, there was no telephone. All you
had was eyewitness statements on people and drawings of wanted papers.

(42:28):
News didn't travel fast. It would be very easy for
you to fake your death and slip away into oblivion.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Oh yeah, I think, just very easy.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Yeah, people did it all the time.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
And this guy what I found, I'm sorry, Well, I
was just saying, do you know, like if or what
he like changed his name to or like anything like that.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, there was several and like I said, the one
that I found that I thought was really compelling was
right here. It says that a ninety year old woman.
This is you know, hundreds of years later, but it
says this nine year old woman named Janita Kelly. She
was a living relative of Louisa Payne, and she decided

(43:16):
to spill the family secret and she said, quote, my
grandmother's sister married John Wilkes Booth, but they were already
married when he revealed his true identity. And she went
on to say that the name Booth was going by
at the time was John Saint Helen and says shortly

(43:37):
after they were married, Booth came clean to his wife, Louisa,
and she was so flabbergasted, being the Christian woman that
she was, she demanded that they go back and remarry
and refile under the correct name. And according to Franklin County, Tennessee,
their court record show in the marriage registry that John

(43:59):
Wilkes Booth married Louisa Payne with his signature on it
matching from February the twenty fourth, eighteen seventy two, and
that's seven years after the supposed assassination.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Pussy'll do that to you, make you go back and
fucking redo your name after you've assassinated the president? Like,
come on that right, got come on?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah? And when I've seen that, I was like, oh
my gosh, okay. So now I followed this thread because
it was in Tennessee. I was like, oh man, this
is home court here. I gotta kind of look this out.
But it said that this was a closely held family
secret until Kelly came forward. When she was asked why
she was coming forward now, she said it was not

(44:49):
talked about outside the family. She said, but I'm coming
forward now because I'm ninety years old. And besides, all
the people that would have gotten into trouble over it
are long gone now. So after they got married, they
moved off to Memphis to start their new life together,
and it says that Luisa became homesick after a few

(45:11):
months and that she wanted to go back home, and
that Booth told her, We'll go ahead go on in
front of me. I'll stay behind. I'll work a little more,
save some money, and I'll come back to Middle Tennessee
and we'll buy some land and build a house and
we'll start our new lives together. Just go on ahead
of me. And so she goes back home, but Booth

(45:33):
never returns, and he ends up going to Texas according
to this storyline, and befriends this guy, Phineas Bates, who's
a lawyer, and his great granddaughter has his records and
the family stories that he befriended this John Saint Helen,

(45:55):
and that he becomes sick and on his deathbed confessed
to Bates that he was John Wilkes Booth, and he
wanted to come clean before he died and wanted him
to know well. He ended up making it through the night.
He didn't die, but when Bates went back to check
on him, he was gone. He packed up and left,
and they said. It was a few years later that

(46:16):
Bates had seen an obituary in the I think it
was Oneida, Oklahoma paper, and it had the name of
John Saint Helen, and it matched his how old he
was and everything else. So he wanted to see if
this was him. So he travels up to Oklahoma and
goes to the mortuary where he was being held, and

(46:38):
the mortuary said, oh, are you his family. He's like, no,
I believe he's a friend of mine, but I wanted
to come and be sure. And he said, well, come
and identify the body, because nobody's come forward to claim
the body or identify it. So you're the only person
we got, so come look at him and verify who
this is. And Bates went in and he said, without
you know, any kind of second thought or hesitates, that

(47:00):
this is John Saint Helen. And then when he got
to talking to some of the people that found his
body and everything, that he once again thought he was
dying and confessed to the people there that he was
in fact John Wilkes Booth and that he supposedly killed

(47:21):
himself by drinking arsenic. And the arsenic they didn't know
what it was. They just thought, you know, he died.
They found out later because when they embalmed the guy
mixed with that arsenic, it petrified and mummified him, so
it perfectly preserved him, froze him in time, and nobody

(47:44):
would take the body, so it was given to Bates,
and Bates takes it home and puts it in his garage,
and then he tries to even sell the people.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah, that's interesting with the tumple of the sucker of
the house.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah. And he tries to sell to the corpse the mummy
to people and says, oh, this is the famous John
wilkes booth. And he even almost sold it to Henry Ford.
He prized it to Henry Ford for one thousand dollars
and he almost bought it, but he backed out last minute.
So Phineas Bates dies with this petrified mummy in his garage.

(48:24):
So when he got yeah, his wife.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Tries about the name baits man.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah exactly, and she ends up selling it to a
traveling carnival like a freak show. And this body toward
the United States and you can see like a quarter
all the way up till like the nineteen seventies, and
it suddenly disappeared, never to be seen again.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Man, they just they strung lights up on him and
decorated him like a Christmas serie, like he, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Twenty five cents come see that John wilkeson who faked
his death and lived many years after.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
So he was mummified sold to a circus, but we're
not allowed to dig up the cadaver body, Like, how
is this okay? How is it okay to have a
human mummy in your house and sell it to a
circus but we can't exhume the grave?

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Like what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (49:22):
This is so sacrilegious? Anyways?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Are we sure this isn't the myth of Osiris? Are
we getting a little bit of you know, Masonic mythology here,
because yeah, this has sounded really strange, like almost like
each one of these phases are planned out and mythologized
in some way.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
So what did they do like after the circus act
or whatever they just used him for like firewood or
something like did they ever bury the corpse.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Or what disappeared? They don't know what happened to it.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Disappeared equals firewood?

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Maybe yup?

Speaker 5 (50:01):
They grounded him up and turned him into toilet paper
or something.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Right, but it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Wasn't cocaine in the in the White House when they
found it. There was actually John Wilkes all ground up
and they were sniffing it.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
That'll get you high every time, but it'll give you
a pain in your left leg. For some reason.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, not the right one. Yeah. And another one that
I found that was really interesting was that he supposedly
stole the identity. So this was modern day identity or
I misspoke ancient identity theft, but he stole the identity

(50:44):
of an englishman. And uh, you go down here and
find his name, m John Saint Helen. Uh oh. And
I forgot to mention when he moved off to Oklahoma,
he had changed his name and went by David E. George. Yeah,

(51:10):
and it appears to be a code. Two of Booth's
conspirators were David Harold and George E. Azerot, So it's
like he took the two names of his buddies that
combined them.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
There.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
But let's see, okay, Yeah, like you guys had mentioned
in nineteen ninety four, they petitioned, petitioned to have his
remains exumed to have DNA testing to put all this
stuff to bed, because there's a lot of people that
come forward and said that they were children of Booth
from relations outside of marriage while he was on the

(51:46):
run but supposedly dead, and so they wanted to do
the DNA testing to put this to bed. And at
first the judge agreed, and then later someone unknown and
talked to the judge and then he changed his mind
and he pulled the whole thing being done. But Chuck Hubert,

(52:11):
he was a John Wills Booth researcher. And here's what
I was saying. He claimed to pull off what we
call identity theft today. He stole the identity of an
Englishman that was visiting Indiana at the time, and he
was named John B. Wilkes, so very similar. But he

(52:31):
was born in Sheffield, England in eighteen twenty two. But
there he stole his identity and went to India and
remained there until his death in eighteen eighty three. Chuck
also believes Booth returned to the United States in eighteen
seventy three and was photographed. And they have a photograph

(52:51):
of John B. Wilkes during that last visit and it
looks identical to Booth. And I have that picture too,
check that out images.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
That sounds like that's the Golden Circle ship because he's
down there in South America.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Well, and just think he had being an actor. He man, sorry,
I can't even talk when I read that.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Damn.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
What was they saying?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Because he was a good actor and he could do
an English accent. So I mean, yess he could probably
pull that out.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
I mean even being the actor. Yeah, I mean how
could he get of course?

Speaker 5 (53:37):
You people, so what are we looking at right here?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
That that is the two guys that the John Wilke
and John B. Wilkes.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Yeah, see this is like.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
The no I lied to. That is the other guy.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Is the person between John Wilkes is on the left
and the other.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Guy the Thelloyd James Boyd.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
James Boyd was on the rest.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
One does what happened?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Did James Boyd not have any friends of family or
did they not notice he was gone?

Speaker 5 (54:20):
He was an unsavory fucker if nobody noticed.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
What happened during all this time. They've even documented it's
in the records. He was a Confederate soldier and he
was captured and was a prisoner of war and they
petitioned to have him released and he was just recently released.
And that's that was the last documentation that they had
of the guy was right around this time of the

(54:45):
assassination that he was set free. But that's that's the
guy from the Englishman.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
They all have the same like mustache and receding hairline
thing going on.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Well, look like Mark Mystic Mark from my family thinks
I'm crazy. I think he's the descendant of John.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So the British connection really interests me because you know
a lot of people say that the British were bankrolling
the South and that they they were invested in the
nights of the Golden Circle idea just kind of break
up the Union.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
So if he's if he's throwing his lot in with
the British and going by this British accent and everything else,
that kind of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, And that's the thing. He had the money and
the ties of the Golden Circle, and you got to remember, uh,
this is another rabbit trail, but it kind of ties
in was uh the Confederates, they had their capital up
there in Richmond, right there on the border of the
North Well the last stand. Robert E. Lee was trying
to hold him back, and he told Davis, you know,

(55:59):
it's a losing battle. It's just a matter of time
before they get past our men and they hit the capitol.
So Davis told him, just buy me twenty four hours.
Give me twenty four hours to get my cabinet out
and to save the treasury, and it was documented in
today's money there was two hundred million dollars in the

(56:23):
Confederate treasury. So he gave him twenty four hours and
he loaded up nine trains with his cabinet and all
of the money and started heading south. And here's where
you get this quote unquote conspiracy. Now, this is all
happening at the same time with the John Wills booth stuff. Okay,

(56:44):
they stop off in North Carolina and they have a
log and don't quote me on the number, but when
they stopped in North Carolina, they stopped off for a
minute and then traveled further south. But the logs reflect
that there was the equivalent of of like twenty million
dollars gone that got unloaded there. Then they go down

(57:08):
into Georgia, they make another stop once again, here's another
forty or fifty million dollars missing from the log book.
So it's like every stop they took that kept dwindling down,
dwindling down, and that they finally make it to their
destination and they deposit the money into this bank. And
the deposit note was for I want to say to
the equival today of like fifty million dollars, So there

(57:31):
was one hundred and fifty million dollars missing from this ride,
and they say that he handed it over to members
of the Knights of the Golden Circle and they hid
it all over the country as Stasius because they said
they wanted to have enough money put back for when
the South rose again, they'd have enough money to have

(57:53):
an army. And then you have all these treasure hunters
to this day talking about the mystery glyph all over
the world. Even Jesse James is tied into this. Uh.
You find all of these symbols and coded language that
is known to be associated with the Knights of the
Golden Circle and its treasure maps leading to all these stashes.

(58:14):
Is the is the tail. So they had all this money,
it would be nothing for them to shell out some
money to send somebody that's helped them, and it's a
brother of theirs, to start a new life in India.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Well, all over Missouri they have caves that they claim
Jesse James stash is golden or stashing the money. But
you know that that whole thing really smocks of the
Knights Templar, because if you know about Oak Island, you
know they've got these huge treasure vaults, and you know,
this whole treasure train and all the rest of the
stuff about the South Rising and grind very very similar

(58:49):
to that. And just recently they took down the Roberty
Lee statue and inside of it was a tide cops
and you could you could watch on the videos online
video this woman is going through all the artifacts inside
of this tide capsule and she pulls out a postcard
by the Knight's templar inside of the Roberty least, don't
you And she she lifts it up and you could

(59:12):
audibly hear her say, oh no, is it not supposed
to talk about that? You know there it is right
there in the baskit here what she does the mythology,
and she doesn't want to get bogged out with that
because again, this is one of the oldest conspiracies in
the United States.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
Mm hmmm. And this also sounds like the plot for
National Treasure two.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
You know why is going on because one of the
main consultants for that movie was Bob Brewer, and he's
a world famous treasure hunter. And you know what, he's
famous for hunting and finding these treasures rose from the
Knights of the Golden Circle. He's the expert on all

(01:00:04):
these temples and stuff, and so National Treasury reached out
to him and he was a consultant for that show.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
Well you've got so you brought up Oak Island. The
guys in Oak Island were also looking for the uh
one of the stashes of Confederate gold that allegedly uh
thank in Lake Michigan, like some of the barges or something.
M So, that's that's a pretty crazy one. There was

(01:00:33):
a deathbed confession and all kinds of stuff going on there.
It's a crazy story too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Anyway, they caught them sentinels because the money they give
the trophes to these guys, and they caught them sentinels
and they were to guard this with their life and
then when they died, you know, or was close to dying,
they would have to pass it to another sentinel, which
was their son or something like that. And you know,
it's a good possibility that some these kids would be like,

(01:01:01):
I don't believe it's junk, or I ain't doing that.
And they wentn't thinking, you know, because when they were
making these carvings in these stones and in these trees,
because they've done a lot of them in trees. It's
been you know, one hundred years, one hundred and fifty years.
Those trees that were once eye level are now way
up here and you can't even see them anymore. But

(01:01:21):
to corroborate that whole story with him going to India,
there's a lot of people to say, oh, you can
just make up anything, but there's a document trail with
that one. Also. When he died in eighteen eighty three,
this was eighteen years after his supposed death. He was
executed in India for a crime. But before they killed him,

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they allowed him to leave a last will and testament.
And in the will and testament, I'll read you some
of the stuff here and why I kai I told
you is a little bit about this pre roll. But
in his will it says twenty five thousand dollars to
ogre ree Rosalie Wilkes, and it says in quotation natural

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heir of my body. She was Boost's daughter by his
wife Azola. Then another twenty yeah, another twenty five thousand
dollars to marry Louis Turner, and it says quotations natural
heir of my body. This was the daughter of John's
mistress of the time of Lincoln's murder, Ella Turner, And

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then it says one thousand dollars a year to Henry Johnson,
quote a free negro to whom I owe my very life.
Johnson was Boost's personal valet who helped him escape up
to Harber's ferry in West Virginia. So why would an
Englishman living in India care so much for all of
John Wilkes Booth's wife's girlfriend's daughters in valet.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Yeah, that's a good fucking question. I have a question too, though,
How do we know that they didn't set this whole
fucking thing up for the other guy to get shot
instead of him, Like that was part of the plan
all along, and Boyd or whatever the fuck his name

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was just didn't know it. He was like an unwilling
participant in his own death kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, it could have very well been, because.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
You know what I mean, it's like for him to
have this life as well. Yeah, because it's like he
went on to live this kind of exotic life. You know,
he's going here there, he's married to this person, that
person changing his name, going to India. It's like it
was set up for him to get away basically, which

(01:03:49):
by the way, I don't right, But it's like it's
like with Oswald. I don't think the body that's in
the casket that they bear eat and said this is Oswald.
I don't even know if that's actually Oswald. And it's
just like some dude that they fucking killed and oh yeah,
we got him, guys, we shot him instead, like they

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they fake a lot of this stuff, even going back
to you know, Civil War days, I still think they
were faking people's death and shit and fucking covering stuff up.
So I mean just saying goods for that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
And it was proven on a lot of them that
they were freaking their desks back then, because like we
said earlier, you know, it was very easy during this
same death like six times. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
One thing I keep coming back to is how lit
it would be to be on a conspiracy podcast in
the eighteen seventies. I mean, holy fucking they had all
the good shit back then.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
Did you guys watch Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter?

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
I did. It's quite entertainment.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
I liked it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
Entertaining me. It's a president, man, that's it. A vampires.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
What we don't know is part of the John Wilkes
boost story is that they were actually all hunting fucking vampires.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Actually really liked that movie. Every time I ask somebody
if they watched it, they asked me if I'm retarded
or something like, It's like, why would you even watch
something called Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter? But it's actually really
good and they.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
Really cool with him sitting in that chair.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Right, yeah, and he's got like his axe and yeah.
But yeah, I think that he did live a double life.
Though I don't know if he was a fucking vampire hunter,
but I do think he led a double life. Lincoln,
did I think that this whole thing? Probably?

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
He like giant and bee hole. He just likes to
get it plugged.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
We always come back to this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Sleep as a dude.

Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
Didn't there Sun at the times headless?

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
But I had a friends see me a reel today
It said more proof that the giants are real and
it showed these guys like in this ship pulling up
something from the bottom of the ocean and it was
a huge like iron butt plug.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Literally literally. Yeah, but didn't the Lincoln Sun die weird? Too?
Like at a young age, or something like that, and
there's like some weird stufferund Yeah. See, that's that comes
from the weird NFL bloodline, those those blood disorders and

(01:07:02):
the you know but stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, extra fingers, genetical malfunctions.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
I actually know a guy who has six toes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Oh you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I six fingers.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
I was told the extra digits remove the plastic surgeries
a lot more common than.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well I want another blood type.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Too, would you say about the blood type?

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
Yeah, so they're probably all our H negative Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Right, yeah, I mean I think I heard something about
oh negative being significant to you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Yeah, it could be like the royal.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Family kind of covets the O nags.

Speaker 6 (01:07:55):
Yeah, yeah, because it's a it's just a who knows,
I mean, we can that's a whole other episode.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
I do have suspicions though about Lincoln. I mean, like
his weird height, and like the seances and ship at
that White House, their kid wife.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Really weird stuff too, the Lincoln monument, I mean, they
make him super huge. They put him in this Roman
style temple at the end of this reflecting pool, like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
There's almost right, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Something really religious about that place. And they were going
for something that it was an ancient religion with the
entire layout of Washington, d C.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
So having him a giant, as if symbolism wasn't enough
for them, they have to like take him and make
him a giant that looks over everybody. And it's you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
Sitting there looking the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Water.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
I can't even say it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Do you know the signific into that reflecting pool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
It's imagine a while, well it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Could be, but yeah, there's there's high, high level goddess
magic going on there. So during the ancient Roman days,
they had this place called the Diana's Mirror, Right, This
was the district for Diana, and they had this big
reflecting pool. And this is talked about in James George

(01:09:27):
Fraser's Golden Bow. This was where they would have the
Golden Bow ritual where they would have the death of
a king ritual. Right, And so Diana Nemorensis was the
name of the goddess there. And this Diana Nemorensis ritual
would take place where a escaped slave or you know,
some other prisoner would go to this grove and then

(01:09:48):
pull a bow off at the top of the tree
and then the old king of the grove would have
to fight this new guy, and whoever killed the other
one would become the new king of the grove. Right,
And what we see in Washington, DC, is we've got
this statue on top of the Capitol Building, which is
highly emblematic of kind of this Diana Artemis character. Right.

(01:10:12):
So we've got Diana Artemis right there on top of this,
you know, Isis's belly right in front of the Washington Monument,
which is clearly a penis. And then you've got the great,
big old reflecting pool right there, which is part of
this Diana Nemorensis ritual with the sacrificed king of the
Grove at the other end of it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:31):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Wow, I've not heard that. I always heard like it
was kind of like an imitation of the Egyptian magic,
like how the pharaohs were the embodiment of the Allagato Cyrus,
and how they had that ritual where they would bring
him into the temple, and then when the shadow of

(01:10:53):
the obulisk went into the domed temple where the pharaoh was,
it was a conception, and therefore Osirah was born into
his body and kind of possessed him, and he came
out the god King and that's while we have that
whole presidential thing that you know, he meets in that
womb and they have their you know, consults, but then
he moves from there to the stage in front of

(01:11:16):
that phallus and gives his speech and stuff. So it
was kind of like, I've always heard that that's a
like a remake of that. I hadn't heard that that's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
In this book, The Golden ass this is a second
century Latin sort of like a pulp book that they
had fiction back then, right, so this is really old.
He goes back to that time period. They still have
the cults of Isis and Osiris active in the second century, right,
so this stuff was not foreign to that time period

(01:11:48):
that they're depicting in Washington, d c. Right, they had
all of those cults sort of merge into organizations like
the Freemasons, the Knights, Templar, all these other you know,
sort of secret society has kept that stuff moving, and
those are the people who founded America.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
M Yeah, and then there's all that stuff like do
you think like, sorry, do you think like Lincoln actually
was assassinated to like just in my opinion, my humble opinion.
You guys can disagree with me. I think a lot
of this stuff, even back then is like fake and staged.

(01:12:27):
I mean literally an actor shot him, you know what
I mean. It just makes me wonder if he even
is dead at all, because there's like this he became
like almost like saint like after his death and honest
dabe and all this, and he was actually like a
pretty unsavory motherfucker, Like he wasn't like this stand up

(01:12:52):
guy that he's made out to be. But in death
he's kind of like become this, you know, honest abe,
and he was so great and all this stuffed You're
so great then, you know, right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
That's the point. That's the point of the ritual, right
is it makes everybody sad, and it lionizes the victim,
and it changes the trajectory of history, you know. And
if you have you ever heard of King Killed thirty three,
This is a popular one back at the late seventies,
but I think it was all about how the Freemasons

(01:13:32):
were the ones who killed Kennedy. Going along with this
King Killed thirty three ritual, which comes directly out of
the Golden Bough by J. G. Fraser, so they're talking
about that back then. And then you look at the
architecture of Washington, DC and how it matches up with
all of these different factors that are going on, like
especially the Virginia flag. Right, you've got this woman with

(01:13:55):
their breast exposed. She's standing on top of a guy saying,
thus always the tyrants, and that was made way way
way back in the day. But like that same sort
of spirit is carried through through this assassination. There's a
definite callback to some of the earliest times in American
history going through these different.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Characters, because that's exactly what he's said.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
The uh, the uh, Like look at these two assassinations, right,
Lincoln and JFK. Before JFK, and there's a quote by
Lyndon B. Johnson, and he was like, oh, we'll have
those inwards voting Democrat from you guys know the quote.
Right before that, it was like everybody kind of held

(01:14:42):
Lincoln up as this like savior of the slaves and
he free and you know, it was like everybody vote
Republican because he's the one who freed us. And then
it was like JFK also assassinated, and then Lyndon B.
Johnson's like, we'll have those inwards voting democrat from here
on O or something. It's like some weird cultural shift.

(01:15:03):
But both are marked by huge assassinations that changed history forever.
So are they really dead? I don't know. Is it
like an agenda to like push narratives and make people
saint like? Because JFK Is also like saint like after
he died.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Also, these events are also accompanied by communism. There's a
lot of Marxism that goes in and around these characters.
Like you know, Lincoln was writing to Karl Marx like
this was the start of what Marxism was. Is their
whole exchange back and forth. And then what we see
in the nineteen sixties going on with all the hippie
movement and all the communism and liberalism, that these are

(01:15:44):
revolutions that are taking place. We're just sick from the
outside instead of looking at the whole picture.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that the Civil War,
like I said, it wasn't over slavery. It was over
a kingly tyrant. It for us, there was one section
of the country with a bunch of rich elites that
was controlling the destiny of America and the Southern state
stood up and try to rebel, and they squashed them
back into submission. I told her buddy at work, I

(01:16:13):
was talking about this. I said, imagine if you had
a girlfriend and you guys were together and happy, and
all of a sudden, she comes home and says, you know,
she's unhappy, she doesn't want to be with you anymore,
and leaves. That's kind of what happened here. But then
the boyfriend goes after, smacks her around, blacks both of
her eyes, and bloodies her her mouth, knocks her few
teeth out, and drags her back home, and now we're

(01:16:35):
going to live all together, peacefully and happily for some
How does that work.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Really well? I think what really kicked it off was
Fort Sumter, because they're saying, look, you can't have this
union for it in the South. This has got to go, yeah,
And they didn't want to go, and they're like, you
got to get the fuck out of here. So they
attacked Fort Sumter back before Abraham Lincoln. Nothing happened, so
they thought they could do it again and nothing would
happen again. But that's what kicked off the whole thing.

(01:17:05):
And you know, people were out there at bull Run
actually picnicking over the battlegrounds because they thought, oh, well,
this is just gonna be a short thing. We'll go
out and see the battle and it'll all be over
with soon. But it wasn't, and it just kept escalating
and escalating. People didn't want to believe that it was
actually starting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Yeah, in the Civil War, that was the the death
of the Republic as we know it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
So John Wilkes Booth's descendants or whatever, he had some kids, right, like,
how do you like did they know? And if they knew,
how do you even tell people that? Like you go
to school and you're like, my daddy killed Abraham Lincoln?
Like how do you keep that a secret? I mean

(01:17:54):
that's do you think that they knew?

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
I think that it was just a I mean that
was information didn't travel so far back then, but that
was you know, big news the president, you know, in
the Civil War. So I don't know if they just
went to home school or what, but definitely that the
descendants were not proud of it, like the great great grandchildren,
that that was something that was like the family secret
and taboo talk about the time.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
They were probably like kind of you know, my dad
killed the you know, especially if they were from down south.
Oh yeably probably revered a little.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Bit, you know, Jesse Jane. He was a hero to
the you know, the lower class sistance because they made
him out to be the Robin Hood. So according to
where he is at, some people love Jesse James. Maybe
some of the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Well, guys, I got something to confess. I'm actually John
Wilkes Booth.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
So not even guys believe me. Why would why would
they believe that? Back then? I mean everybody, Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
I see, I see where you're going with that. That's
very true. I mean, you could say anything, right like,
it's hard to believe that, especially back then. It's not
like there was a conspiracy theory podcast you could listen to.
If somebody said, like, my dad's John Wilkes Booth, they'd
be like, okay, what kind.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
Of gratus started screaming about b holes?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
But I see the documentary and somebody threw up the possibility.
They said, you know, well, what if or how easy
would it be? You know, John Wilkes Booth in the
South was a hero to a lot of the Southern people,
and he was already a famous actor. He was a
handsome guy. Uh. They said the ladies just kind of
swooned over him, that he had, you know, these dark

(01:19:47):
eyes and could you know, manipulate people and kind of
put a spell on people. He was just, you know,
really charismatic guy. How tempting would it be for a
young man, uh uh to go down south and tell
some girl that's totally out of his league. He may
not realize it or not, but I'm kind of a

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big deal.

Speaker 6 (01:20:11):
You didn't know it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Knock up a bunch of girls and leave town and
they're like, oh, yeah, I met John Will's booth, I
had his baby.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Yeah, who's reading the medical report that says that he
broke the wrong leg?

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
You know, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Robert May I think was his name.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
So somebody in the comments, some of me a comment
about Pascal Beverly Randolph Boom and dude, if you just
telling everybody out there, if he has known who that is, Wow,
that's a freaking rabbit hole the good right there?

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
He brought sex magic to America.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
Yeah, basically, And you're saying Wilkes or Abraham Lincoln was
friends with this person.

Speaker 6 (01:20:58):
Right, Somebody there said that that Lincoln was, but I
could find them. I couldn't find any links. But you
know that doesn't mean it. I'm not like some you know,
wizard or something that can.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Well he went on to make Beverly Hall right, Beverly
Hall up.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
And yeah, there's definitely some overlap there. But whether or
not they actually knew each other, I don't know, but
there's definitely some overlap, especially when you get in that
they were in the same circles. And I mean both
Lincoln and his wife were deeply curious about spiritualism and

(01:21:37):
stuff like that because of their the tragedy with their
son and other shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
So I mean, look, I remember reading somewhere his wife, well,
I think one of it's kind of alluded to it,
but I have not looked looked into it, but I've
heard more than one place that she was kind of
a she was kind of witchy. Yeah, contact and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Really, because he was she was trying to contact their son.
I think was a lot of the driver force. But
that's all it takes. Man. But Lincoln was also known
to have like prophetic dreams as well. It's another story
that I that I see in there. A lot, and
I think there's a story of him having a dream

(01:22:24):
weeks prior to his assassination that he was going to
get assassinated and how it was done like he dreamt it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
He was at his own funeral and he was asking
people about who was right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yeah, he was a Daniel Davy Crockett, you know, the
famous Tennessee pioneer. Yeah, from my state. I did a
show with doctor Judd burt In a while back, and
I did not know this, and I feel ashamed because
he was from my state. But when I was writing
my book, you know, he was like, hey, did you
know that to your pioneer, he rose from Tennessee, had

(01:23:01):
big foot encounters. He said, Davy Crockett and Daniel Ben
Daniel had one, And I said, no, I didn't. He
did a show with me and he was saying that
Davy Crockett when he went to Texas to fight at
the Alamo. On the way there, he said that a Harry,
a humanoid human. That's how he described it in his letter,

(01:23:22):
because he wrote a letter back home and described as Harry,
you know, covered in Harry. Human approached him and spoke
with him and said Davy Crockett, go home, go back
to Tennessee. You will find nothing but death here. And
he actually wrote that in his letter and sent it home.

(01:23:42):
He said, maybe I ate some bad meat or something,
but I saw this, and then he went on to
Texas to die.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
This is what a lot of Native Americans say about
the Bigfoot is that they're messengers, right, and whether or
not you're scared of them or not determines on whether
or not you're going to get the message. So what
they'll say is if you if you bring a Bigfoot
encounter to a Native American, they'll be like, yeah, what
did he tell you? You're like, tell me, no, he

(01:24:10):
was just scary and I ran away. But Daniel Boone's
having the experience where he didn't run, he was calm,
and then he gets this message that was a prophetic vision.
So like, we probably don't have the Bigfoot thing in
perspective at all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:26):
Yeah, yeah, right, shameless product placement. So you know, there's
tons of stories from UH, I mean dozens of UH
native tribes that talk about them trading and communicating and

(01:24:51):
whatnot with you know, nothing, you can't describe it as
other than bigfoot. But they were in tribes and they
just called them they were different another tribe that lived
in the area. So yeah, feral giants like giants, right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I think there are probably a lot like how people
depict the Mothman being some kind of harbinger of doom
and messenger of whatever. I do have to say though,
and you know, call me an asshole, but I was
listening to this like conspiracy radio show the other night
and there was this old guy on there and he

(01:25:33):
was like, I've been to a big Foot wedding, and
I've seen bigfoots give birth and I've seen and it's
like I'm sitting here, the host of a conspiracy podcast
going this guy's on fucking crack, Like there's no way
he's like going to Bigfoot weddings, and like like there's
there's too much. There's like a line, you know, because

(01:26:00):
when you tell somebody you have a conspiracy theory podcast,
they're like, oh, yeah, like Bigfoot and like Area fifty
one and stuff, and I'm like, actually, that's like the
least that I ever talk about ever. I don't. I mean,
it's you know, I appreciate it when people have cool
stories to tell about that stuff, but for me, it's
like it's hard for me to think, like somebody's out

(01:26:20):
there just barbecuing in their backyard and a book bigfoot
walks up and it's like, you want to come to
my wedding, and you know, like I don't. It's hard
for me to comprehend that. But I do think they
could be some kind of spiritual being, like I said,
a lot like with the moth Man thing. I think

(01:26:41):
that they could be like inter dimensional type beings. I
don't know, you know, they're having weddings and just inviting
random dudes from their backyard.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
But yeah, you know it's no of this, right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
Oh right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
Videographer at that wedding.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
It's the worse when it's like I've even had that
happen on my own show where the person's like, I
can't tell you where it is and we have no
video of it, and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Well, I guess he's got pictures of it. It's just
he had his thumb over the camera lens the whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Right, yeah, it didn't get backed up onto the cloud.
I don't know what happened, but it's like, I don't know.
Just some things are hard for me to wrap my
brain hole around. But like stuff like what we're talking
about right now, that's my favorite kind of stuff, like
serial killers. You know what, was Lincoln actually assassinated or not?

(01:27:41):
We'll never know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
Actual vampire hunter?

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Was he an actual vampire hunter. That's just that I
can get on board with.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
I wanted to. I wanted a selfless plug too. I
guess it's really not for a product or an episode
on Halloween. I will be dropping. I have a vampire lored,
but it's a little bit more of a twist on
it on where I think some of it may have
at least a vampire that I'm describing in that show
where I think it may have came from.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
We did want.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Oh yeah, that's right, Ben, And I sent you the
script to look at it. Yeah, because I wanted you
to know what the fuck I was talking about it.
I came on, Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you. It's very interesting. Uh,
definitely check it out when it drops. It's uh, it's
one of my theories. But all right, sorry, keep keep
going us. Was there anything else yet you wanted to add?
Anything dark or pretty much?

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
No, that was just kind of like I said, I
just found this, you know, like two weeks ago, and
I found those two stories and kind of correlated with
the Knights of the Golden Circle. But I am diving deeper.
Like I said, I met this guy, uh named Dan.
He has researched nothing but Jesse James and his seventy

(01:28:52):
three aliases and his connections with the Knights of the
Golden Circle. And uh I actually he said he come
on the show and talk with me. But I talked
to him on the phone just last night. We talked
for almost two hours. Man, I love this dude. He's
right up my alley. We're in the same lane on
a lot of stuff. But he even told me last night,
you know which I don't know the story behind it.

(01:29:13):
I'm just going off what he said. But he said, yeah,
I looked at your channel because I seen him an
email and then he'd give me his number. He said,
I see him on your channel. You recently done show
on John Wills Booth And I said, yeah, I did.
And he said, you know how he really died? Right?
I said, I've heard a few stories. I said, one
sounds pretty promising. I said, I wonder if it was

(01:29:35):
the Oklahoma arsenic poisoning And he said, that's what I
believe it to be, he said, But he didn't commit suicide.
And I said, huh, And he said, Jesse James poisoned
his drink, he said, because the Knights of the Golden
Circle knew that the Union and everybody was close on
his tale and he was about to be apprehended and

(01:29:56):
they were afraid he was going to squeal, so they
sent See James because he was there in the area,
to go and kill John Wills Booze.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
But our snick and his drink and turn him into
a fucking mummified you know, Cheeto.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
Puff, traveling traveling freak show right to Carne who knew
well Smooth was a carnie.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
There's a story because I lived in Oklahoma for like
thirteen years, and there's this story. You can go to
the grave site and there is actually a haunted bed
and breakfast, but they tell this story of a guy
who somehow got mummified and was sold to the circus

(01:30:51):
and they hung him up and nobody knew who he
was and they kind of buried him as like this nameless,
faceless guy. And I just find it that it's in Oklahoma.
You're talking about Wilkes being in Oklahoma, and there's this
this urban legend about a guy who got turned into
a mummy and sold to a circus. And now I'm

(01:31:11):
thinking it was it fucking John Wilkson.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
That's possible that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
I'm serious. It's like the realist ship.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Wow, fucking Oklahoma thought from Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 (01:31:25):
Damn, they're crazy, you know what I mean? Like over
half or what is it, like two thirds of Oklahoma's
federal land.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Whoa yo? I was in st prison in Oklahoma. That
literally was on the ground under an airport.

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
Yo.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
You went, Yo, this is great. You went from the
fucking plane. You're you're shackled with another This is crazy.
I don't even first you got it. You get stripped
before you can get on the fucking plane. So you're naked,
they check you, You get fucking your ship, you put
your clothes on, you get connected to somebody else. Now
you're on a plane. I don't know how the fuck
you're picking up anything on a plane. Go on a plane,
you fly to Oklahoma, you get off the thing, and

(01:32:03):
you go straight into the fucking ground. Nothing, You're not
touching anything, and you still gotta get fucking stripped again.
How the fuck did I think from what you just
want to stare at bee holes.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
Yeah, that's right, that's part of the original. You gotta gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Spread it, and it is changers the inside job, man,
because even the conspiracy with Billy the kids, you know,
supposedly the guy that captured him planted a gun in
the outhouse and then left to go gather the gallow wood,
and then when Billy went to the bathroom, he suddenly
had a gun and killed the guy watching him and escape.

(01:32:44):
So maybe they don't blade to put up your butt.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
Oh my god, But how do you put an entire
gun in your bee hole? Like that has gotta be
I think I'd rather shoot myself with it first then
put it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
In my twenty five autos, those little cot twenty five autos,
they're like that big you know, maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
But do you put it in sideways or do you
have to? Like, how do you I'm just saying that sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Like desperate times.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
How do you that's some kind of fresh fucking hell?

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
Yeah, Julia, how do you think in spread all the
prison they get some of the cell phones in there?

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
My god?

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Is it like an iPhone fifteen or is it like
a gall.

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
Flip? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
But I mean still, I mean, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I mean, that's as crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
How much money that is?

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Like a BlackBerry. The BlackBerry slid open and just got wider.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Quick.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Somebody call me, yeah, right, elaborate.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
What we don't know is right before John Wilkes Booth
got Mama fired, he definitely had some stuff shoved into
his be hole. But we'll we'll never know about that
because he.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Yeah, course.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
South, yes it did. We're there, Nights of the Golden.

Speaker 7 (01:34:18):
Oh you know what brown circle, the Brown Circle, Knights
of the Golden Balloon.

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
Nut.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
That's that's all, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Yeah, wrap it up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
You know, I actually had a serious question. I fucked
this all up. Uh, and only because I think we've
had a guess, come on about this before I could
be wrong. Did you ever hear Knights of the Golden Horseshoe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Yeah, that's actually pre that's pre American history because that
was the Knights of the Golden Horseshoe came from the
College of William and Mary, Right, you want to where.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
It was, Like, I gotta get him back on it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
They went over the mountains, they got really drunk, and
then they came back with these little pendants and people
have been searching for the pendants over since.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
Right, yeah, yeah, we had a guest on talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Yeah, yeah, Washington Virginia conspiracies.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Yeah. So what popped up was the Knights of the
Golden Horseshoe were a real but largely symbolic group performed
in seventeen sixteen by Governor Alexander Spotswood and Colonial Virginia.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
This is the initiation ceremony for all these different dudes.
This is the start of you know, reinvigorating the Knights
Templar in America. I think because again Knights Templar are
the horses Knights of the Golden Horseshoe. These are the
distributed artifacts from that expedition. Sounds very templar, right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
All right, yeah, but I think we'll wrap it up
there though, if you guys all right with it actually,
and to plug it real quick too. If anybody's gonna
be in Arkansas, Yeah, Saturday and Sunday, there's a paranormal
expo there. It's at where it's in Little Rock, Little Rock,
Oakonsas at some museum, military museum, two floors, two days.

(01:36:22):
Uh yeah, come check it out. The cult Rejix will
have a booth day. I'll be doing interviews and shit,
I'll probably be recording some of the speakers or whatever.
We're doing interviews with them. Uh so yeah, come check
it out if you're in the area. It's for two
days and if you really want, and I know I've
said this before, it's it's worth ten thousand itself. Saturday,
at two o'clock there will be grown ups actually doing
Bigfoot coals, So you can come down and check that

(01:36:42):
out for a good left and then you can come
and check me out and kick it with me. I'll
smoke one with you if you come. So yeah, come
on down if you're around. Uh yeah, And uh that's
enough out of me, and I will let everybody start
plugging their show and all that. But Doc, thank you
so much man for coming on. Like I said, I
didn't know anything about this. Julia, I'm pretty sure she
was on the troops and she said she didn't know

(01:37:04):
anything about it. Uh so yeah, I mean, I think
this is really interesting and I really liked it. I
definitely think the viewers did too. Doc. Why don't you
let everybody know please where they can find your amazing show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Oh, thank you real. I appreciate the opportunity to come
out and talk, and I appreciate the panels and having
the back and forth, and even when we derail, I
enjoy it thoroughly. I've smiled so much tonight my face hurts.
You guys, so thank you. I needed that. But Sea,
if you guys enjoyed that and these type of conversations,
I'm doing them two or three times a week. Just

(01:37:38):
check me out anywhere you can consume content, YouTube and
all the fine things. Just search up Prometheus Lynz podcasts
once again, the website prometheuslynspodcast dot com. Pick up a
copy of the epic of Esau, birth Right and Seed War,
and hopefully Friday the audiobook will be available on Audible.

(01:37:58):
So fingers crossed, but thank.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
You awesome, Thank you so much, sir and Bennett. Let
everybody know what's on.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds podcast. You can find me ever
podcasts or listen to YouTube Rumble the Whole Thing or
broadcasting Seeds dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Thanks of course, thank you, so I appreciate you coming on.
Man and the Headless Joant.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
You know me, you know where to find me on
that list, Giant and it's great to see you get Julia.
Thank you for coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Awesome and last minut least, Julia, please let everybody know
what's over you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
If you haven't found me yet, you never will. And
I will say this, I'm picky about what podcast I
listened to. Obviously I listened to The Occult Rejects, but
one of my favorite shows is the Prometheus Lins podcast.
I really love. Yeah, I really love the topics you
choose to cover and you know your perspect on everything.

(01:39:00):
I had no idea about this stuff. Tonight I learned
a lot. I think the listeners did too, Nick, thanks
for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
Of course, of course, yeah, I will sell you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
Doc.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
I'll have to admit you have one of the few
podcasts that will actually be like, oh fuck, that was
a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Oh man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
I was like, oh funk, I wish I could make
reals like this. Dude. Nice you know, but yeah, definitely
check out a show if people have it. Banger of
a show. Thank you Wolf for coming on. I really
had a great, great time tonight. It's a really good
last And again, I mean that was all new to me,
so I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Doc.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
It was awesome and everybody in the chat that's what's up.
It seemed like everybody was here comment and was here
from the beginning to the end. That is what's up.
And I really appreciate it. And until the next one,
everybody be well.

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