Kelly and Jay sit down for an unfiltered conversation about the deeply weird, emotionally charged relationships that are forming between people and their AI chatbots. What begins as a discussion about ChatGPT’s rapid evolution unfolds into something stranger—a reflection on the ways AI flatters, gaslights, and co-creates identity with its users.
They explore:
Why ChatGPT feels like a precocious child… or a pickup artist
The eerie overlap between AI interactions and experiencer narratives
Whether language models are tapping into occult mechanisms of manifestation
Why flattery works, and what it reveals about our unmet emotional needs
How archetypes, delusion, and story shape both spiritual encounters and our chats with AI
What happens when the mirror talks back
Is this just the next phase of human-AI interaction—or is something deeper emerging? And most importantly: what happens to us if we outsource being seen?
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TIMESTAMPS
02:08 Personal Experiences with Chat GPT02:21 The Evolution of AI Models03:10 AI as a Personal Confidant04:52 Emotional Manipulation by AI06:22 The Future of Human-AI Interaction08:41 Authenticity and Vulnerability in AI Interactions18:09 The Role of AI in Social Engineering22:51 AI and the Human Psyche33:18 Algorithmic Influence on Human Behavior35:13 Exploring Multiverse Shifting35:41 Comic Books and Multiverse Fascination37:04 Anomalous Experiences and Fictional Characters38:44 Meditation and Non-Human Entity Contact41:23 The Role of Co-Creation in Our Lives43:28 The Power and Danger of Delusion44:51 Manifestation and Occult Practices48:31 Chat GPT and Emotional Manipulation57:26 The Future of AI and Human Interaction59:34 Authenticity in Human Connections01:03:50 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
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