July 2, 2025 • 44 mins
What if the Dead Sea Scrolls weren’t just religious relics… but a truth capsule from a forgotten world? 🧾🛸⚔️
In this explosive episode of the Cottman Crawford and the Jersey Guy Podcast, we dive deep into Dead Sea Scrolls & The Ancient Files — exploring the 900 ancient scrolls that have been rocking historians, conspiracy theorists, and spiritual rebels alike. From hidden treasures and war prophecies, to AI-powered translations, ancient alien theories, and mistranslated timelines, this one goes way beyond Sunday school.
We’re asking the big questions:
Were the scrolls buried to protect humanity—or from it?
Did religion evolve from cosmic visitors, secret sects, or pure human curiosity?
Is the “end of the world” just a bad translation of Aeon—aka a 22,000-year cycle?
Could Stargates, Easter Island, and the Vatican all be connected? 👀
Oh—and if you’ve ever wondered why saints’ body parts are scattered in medieval churches like Pokémon cards... yeah, we cover that too. 😳
💬 Geek out with us on ancient mysteries, spirituality, time travel, and the real meaning of history—served with laughs, wild theories, and raw curiosity.
👉 Hit play, follow, and let us know what YOU think the scrolls were really hiding.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello and welcome to Cartman Crawford and the Jersey
Guy podcast.
How is everyone tonight?
Alright, we're good.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, man Chill, great that's funny.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yo, I'm just going to jump right into it.
I know all of us we're geekswhen it comes to certain things,
yeah, but I know, for me, ifI'm sitting around watching TV
and I see the Discovery Channelor Science, whatever it is, and
something pops up about the seascrolls, I'm immediately zoned
in.
You know I want to.
They definitely caught myinterest Because.
(00:42):
I want to know how far backdoes that go and what does it
mean and where did you start andwho started it?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And why it is where it is now.
So you like learning biblicalhistory, right?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Biblical history is history.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Or, even better, I would say, the truth finding,
because it's supposed to be themost accurate.
That's what we could talk.
We're going to get into thatNow.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I know that we don't talk about and I know this came
up and we'll just say it brieflyyes, we don't talk about
certain things, certainreligions power to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
This pertains to an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
This pertains to a totally different subject.
This is the birth of it, how itstarted, who the people, things
like that, and what they sawand how they saw it.
And then you could go, we couldalways go yeah, we're gonna end
up so that being said it'sgonna be this is about.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
This is about yeah, kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, like yeah, because this is a good subject,
man, so the dead sea scrolls,like you said, that's supposed
to be what the original writingsyou know and most accurate,
most accurate, so that nowthat's where we, you know, of
course I go that way to ufos ifit was the real, you know,
really aliens that wrote thatstuff, because a lot of the like
(01:51):
you were telling us before lou,that we'll get to later on, I
mean like angels coming down,you know to, to make the for the
war part, you were telling me.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, they the netherlands, right?
So then, yeah, we'll get tothat later, right?
You know I'm what I'm saying.
Yeah, we're going to get tothat later, you see, that's the
list.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
All those things are things that we've heard, what
people said there were somethings in this that I never
heard.
No, no, no.
I'm saying things like that,about having when people talk
and a lot of the old, I sayeverybody that wherever it was,
(02:26):
there's a pyramid that they saidit was aliens that had come
down and bred with the women andyou know like giants and stuff
like that yeah.
So we'll start from thebeginning.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Lou yeah, no, listen.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And then and and and.
Well, I mean start from thebeginning, because I want to get
to that other stuff too.
Yeah, yeah, that stuff isinteresting.
I love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They were discovered in 1947 and 1956 near a dead sea
, of course I think it's QumranCoves.
Over 900 scrolls were found.
That's insane.
Biblical and I'm sorry.
Yeah, bible texts, bible textsand I don't know.
You wrote that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I know I'm sorry, my bad.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But the cord was in the way.
Yeah, Excuse me guys Sect rules, so this is where you start to
see different things that happenin religions, right, okay,
apocryphal, that's another one,so each one.
So Discovery, 1947.
What was the scrolls?
Biblical manuscripts, but notincluded book enoch, jubilee
(03:26):
tobit.
There were other bibles thatweren't included, right?
So you know, back then thesewere also held for a while
because people didn't want totalk about them, right, like
they would find certain thingsin there, and people were like,
well, no, well, that's not that,because this is what we've been
talking about, well, you know,yeah, well, just all the things
as a whole, because so manythings.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So, if we are going to say that this is Look, it
validates accuracy of the HebrewBible, right?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So the people who wrote this kept records of all
this stuff, right?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
right.
I'm saying that now people andlike you said, how things have
changed, you know how certain,how people.
I guess we'll say interpretthem Right.
You know what I mean.
That that's why there's now somany different sets.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know what I mean.
So there would definitely besome controversy and who thinks
it's right or what they actuallymeant, and all that.
I'm sure that's going on as wespeak?
Definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But that's why we haven't heard about all of them.
You know what I mean right,just in what has been found.
You know and this is mewatching tv you know not what
you had found here for us, butthat is just so many people, you
know they're like wait, no,like glue just said, you know,
is that, could that?
Is that really?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
you know what I mean yeah, it's, it's, it's yeah I
would think that probably, if itwas what we think it was right,
possibly could have been Sure,we're going to get to that
subject.
But, you have to remember thatman in its time probably wasn't.
They weren't that.
I mean, they were definitelygood carpenters and things like
that, but they didn't have thetechnology than what we have now
(04:58):
.
And I'm sure they did thingsthat amaze us now that they did
that we had no clue, you can doRight.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, now that they did that, we had no clue, you
can do right.
Yeah, because the carbon fiber,like you said in the, in the
paper and things like that.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Now it's more accurate.
Oh, the the carbon, carbondating or carbon dating stuff.
Yeah, the carbon dating.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, now they have ai involved now so they they
think that ai thinks that it'solder than what they originally
thought yeah so twice what it?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
was.
Yeah because right now.
So that's how all twice what itwas.
Yeah because right now.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So that's how old.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
The parchment, the paper was from that time,
because every time they findsomething new and they're matter
of fact like I watched this TVshow, or I haven't watched it in
a while.
Oak Island and on.
Oak Island they keep findingthings as they're digging around
in there, but as they'redigging around in there, but
they can't find the treasure,though, bro.
Well, no, no, I'm not eventalking about in the money pit,
I'm talking like just on theisland and different things that
(05:47):
happen on the island.
They're discovering the peoplethat were there before, who we
thought was there, right, youknow?
Like it was official, like theVikings were there, first, the
Knights Templar, where there'sproof that they were there, and
they dating what has alreadybeen written.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So, instead of them being there in, you know, 1701
they were really there in 1501right, they were earlier, right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So then now, based on what they found, and, yeah, so
doing like said these, that'swhy I love watching that stuff
yeah I'm geek when it comes tooh they're definitely doing the
carmen dating yeah and for whatit is now.
Was it?
It's still?
I've never heard, until westarted doing some other stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
The when they do dating is bcc, cbc, something
like that, cbc bc right we havebefore christ and and after
death a day, and it was one thatwas before that.
It was another one that'sbefore that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I think it was c, bce or ec, right, and I didn't even
and dude, if these go backfurther than what we've all
thought Think of how man wasback then.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm not saying that they were stupid, no that there
was man.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They didn't think that there was man.
It was like you know.
Now they're starting to saythat dinosaurs people walked
with dinosaurs of years.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, I mean only talking like three, four
thousand.
Well, you know, it might doublelike, let's say, they were two
thousand so now they'reoriginally four thousand.
We're not talking like and thecenturies onto it or anything
like that.
I know, but still that theywent that far back and they were
able to find that itself and Iknow the theory is like that
homo sapien is like 25 000 yearsold, right.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And then there's, then you start going back
towards the you know earlierlike man, right and that's the
thing.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So then that timeline might be wrong too, neanderthal
right, yeah, that's a timelinewe could be way off on that yeah
Speaker 1 (07:38):
we could be but at the same time we probably could
be right on shit too at the sametime, when you think about it,
definitely and you know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
What's wild is how the scrolls survived that long
in the caves out by the dead sea, the what the scrolls oh, yeah,
yeah, like how they.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
They're found by accident, no, no, but how did
they not?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
like the paper didn't just disintegrate.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean I know some of them is.
They had a lot of those thatwere like that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They were like that, but they had a lot that they
were able to piece back together.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying so you know, imagine
doing that kind of work, tediouslittle bro brushes and my
magnifying glass, right?
Yeah, no, that's that personthat really loves doing.
That's super geekish, rightthere, man man.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
No doubt I can't do that.
I like those people because youknow what they're good, I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They give me all the information that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I'm interested in knowing about you.
Know I'm like yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That is great and I think they can probably.
I mean people might not trustit but like AI to fill in the
blanks on some of them now theycould probably get because a lot
.
Some of them have like holes inthem and they can't piece them
together, like there's missing,like it's like you know
something like you'd see in likea movie so there was one in the
movie.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Wait, what was it?
Blade, oh yeah, blade frostwanted to bring back the moogle.
Oh, whatever, that, yeah, andso that.
Then he turned around and theyhad put these texts up there,
and he's looking at themtogether and then he knew how to
what to do and yeah, he wasfreaking bugged out.
But yeah, I was with you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, but no but but that seriously that they have
issues with those, becausethere's, you know, there's
because of damage, that there'slike not full.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yes, and that's why I bug out, because it's now them
putting it together that a lotof the stuff that people believe
is not true.
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
Like it's just all changed up.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, I want to apologize because I was wrong
when I said earlier.
Several fragments previouslybelieved from the 2nd and 1st
century BCE are now datedearlier.
Dated earlier, sometimes byseveral decades or even a
century.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, okay, so I take it back.
Yeah, so it was more than Ithought too though I don't know
why.
I thought that Well, because Imean again for what we know,
what we believed what thetimeline was yeah, no, it's all
right, it's going way back andwhatnot it's a given.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We fixed it.
We got the information out yes.
Yes, you know, and I know thereare people that love this stuff
, man.
Yeah, yeah of course, yeah,definitely, we loved it.
Just to go back, and I think inmy past life I might have been.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Indiana Jones yeah, yeah, you want to be the
librarian.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the librarian.
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I.
So now they're saying too, whowrote the scrolls.
So most scholars believe theywere written by or belong to the
essence of apocalyptic Jewishsect that live commonly in
Qumran.
Others suggest a mix of sources, including priests, scribes and
Zodiacite exiles.
You know, so, again, that'swhat these you know.
Yet the rest of us who thinksthat you know it could have been
, I said I'll go to the aliens,you know, I mean
extraterrestrials that came downand were trying to teach people
(10:54):
here, the humans that were here, how to live, how to exist, how
to grow their own stuff.
You know, and I only say thatbecause think of all these
things that they found, you know, out there, by, you know by the
Dead Sea, or just you knowother places we talk about, even
like the pyramids and stuff.
There's pyramids around thewhole world and the whole planet
(11:16):
.
There are pyramids in likeevery continent, just about.
And who taught those people tobuild them?
They basically built identical.
You know little differencesbecause of where they are, but
you know.
So again, you know I said thedead sea scrolls, something else
that I just just came to myhead, sorry, guys.
So they're saying that therewas civilization and around the
(11:38):
time where Krakatoa blew.
That that's when everythingchanged, Like civilization.
Civilization had basicallystopped because they were stuck
in the dark and then they cameback around.
You know what I mean.
So I wonder if, going with thatthing, because it says sorry,
it just popped up.
That was my history geek moment, but you know if that's what it
(11:59):
was, that then the dead seascrolls predate krakatoa, right,
you?
You know what I'm saying.
Blowing up, or you knowwhatever?
Yeah, and civilization startedall over it, you know, which is
maybe why, like you then said,you know it was only a thousand
years or two thousand years.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, I thought it was like three, four thousand,
but now, when I think about it,yeah, but still that long.
I mean bro that's a lot of timefor people to come back around
I think still, you know, it's alot of, it's a long time, man.
Yeah, yeah, go that far back tohistory.
You know, and this is what theywere doing.
Yeah, they find their teeth andthey keep, they bury them with
(12:34):
all this.
You know everything isdifferent.
You know, when they findcertain things and how they were
buried and right yep how theywere wrapped.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
it's crazy.
Just the beliefs as a whole, Ithink is wild.
Yes, yeah, but I mean I don'tknow.
I think for me personally, youknow, I like to think about what
life, how life would bedifferent for us.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
It would be so harder then you wouldn't want to live
then Well yeah, we didn't wantto live when there's still
cowboys and Indians.
Yeah, I'm saying right but thatwas, that was hard, that had to
be harsh times, hard times,times, living like that back in
(13:21):
that day and I'm sure, but forthem it was every day, so it
didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
right, yes, same for us, yeah, oh yeah, definitely
that was their thing but still,I, I don't think we would want
to go oh, no way, no, no andfind out.
Yeah, I'm all right, thank you,if I can go in like invisible,
just to watch and see.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, I'm good, yeah, I'll go do that, but I'm not,
I'm not gonna actually exactlyno way, man no way.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
How so the copper scroll?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That's one that they say there's all this treasure,
that it lists all the treasurethere is, but they still haven't
found it.
And they've looked for it, theystill haven't found it and they
looked for it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
where they found the scroll no in that scroll, oh, in
that scroll, that's a copperscroll.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It was carved in copper, ooh Wow Onto that.
So the copper was the pages oh,that's groovy, yeah, and that's
what was on there, you know.
And it lists all this treasurethat they no luck they have not
found any.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I'll bet money that they're.
They're looking in the wrongspot probably.
Yeah, well, and that's theother thing too.
So, where the dead seas?
Well, see, I didn't.
I mean I wish we, I would havepaid attention or looked to
where it was.
Because now you think about wayback when, how the land masses
were, earthquakes, picked.
You know the plates moving onthe planet and whatnot if the
(14:33):
dead seas goes was part ofsomething else.
You know the plates moving onthe planet and whatnot if the
dead sea skulls was part ofsomething else.
You know another body of water,another valley or something
that then that's why they can'tfind it, because it's things
have moved around.
Make sense?
No, they were in caves, theywere.
No, no, no, they're talkingabout, you said, looking for the
treasure that they can't findoh, the treasure.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
And with the treasure it'llprobably be the same thing,
right, they just stumble acrossit.
Somebody who wasn't looking forit would find it.
Yep, that's probably what wouldhappen.
Yeah, because or they may findit too, because they found a lot
of stuff just by yeah because Imean like, look Now what they
have.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So in 1947 is when from 47 to 56.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And all that time they were studying.
They were studying and lookingand finding.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But my question is but it's taken them a while to
put them together.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, they were held.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
A lot of stuff was held back too.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh yeah, of course they were just starting and
released more in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right because it was changing what religion was in a
sense Because everybody thinksone thing and then when you look
at that, you go okay.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But, then of course you know it wasn't really that
we can talk about this Isn'tthere one that says like turn a
stone, there I am, or something?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Right, just put a piece of wood and you'll find me
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's aquote from John.
I think, john, I think.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I could be wrong, but was it in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Wasn't that in the Dead SeaScrolls?
It may have been.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
They also mention Jesus in it, but they don't
mention him by name, right?
So that was a as beingpersecuted.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Meaning.
Like you know, you don't needchurch.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, yeah, no wonder why that's not in there I'm not
sure.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, we can get a little.
Yeah, no, we could.
Yeah, no, but there's a lot ofstuff that comes from because
that was mainly jewish, and then, of course, it broke off and
then it went its own directionsand, like everything else, right
, right.
And then that's what they'refinding out when they look at
this stuff, how it grew andbranched off and well, that's
why I think catholicism came.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's why I was always.
I think Catholicism came.
That's why I always.
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Christian, not Catholicism.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, that's why I always thought the religion was
it Masonic Jews.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yes, the ones that Jews for Jesus, as they called
them.
Jews for Jesus, right, right.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But like that's always an interesting religion
because they follow all thetraditional Jewish practices
practices but in a sense they'rechristian, but not right.
Yeah, what people think, likethey're jewish but they're
technically the most christianof christians because they
follow right the same.
Yeah like it is kind of weirdhow it just like branched off
(17:07):
into like exactly, that's justlike oh, we'll get rid of all
the jewish traditions and we'regonna have this I wonder what
made them say we're gonna stopthese ones and continue these
ones but they saw the masonicjews do it all I don't think
they do any of the christian.
Maybe they do celebrate some ofthe christians I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They probably celebrate christmas, do?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
they get both, that's double holidays.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Oh wow, double whammy right there.
Yeah, yeah, they probably sayonly one of the others's like
having divorced parents.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's like oh we believe.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's messed up.
Double holidays yeah, get twobirthdays.
It's all about Passover andEaster if they don't fall across
Well sometimes they crisscross,yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sometimes they're like a week apart.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It's a lot of feasting, but that's you're
going to say dinner and thenEaster dinner, right?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That's great, that is freaking hilarious.
But you know, you said dinnerand you made me think oh,
chicken.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I'll go ahead.
I just found this by the copperscroll, Unlike any other scroll
, the engraved on copperTreasure 64 underground hiding
places with vast amounts of goldand silver and scrolls.
Despite many efforts, notreasure has ever been found,
Fueling conspiracy theories andIndiana Jones style hunts.
(18:24):
So people are like we're goingto find this shit Right.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, like I said, that goes back to what I was
saying about Oak Island.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That's where you had to have that.
One Put the hat on.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We can do it, but that's what happened on Oak
Island.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's what we had to have that one Put the hat on.
We can do it, but that's whathappened on Oak Island.
They're there looking fortreasure that they read in a
book and when they get there tofind it, they're finding all
kind of different we'll saydifferent kind of treasure.
It's not about the money.
It's about now changing history.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well, basically, you're finding out what they
believed and how they livedright and now so finding these
Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I think that's why they don't release everything in
one shot they've released a lotso far but I think they're just
giving it out slowly because,do you know, bro, the shock
that's like, that's a cultureshock.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, I think I would guess, not really.
I mean for those who are superreligious and into it that much,
and you know what I mean.
I would guess, but I think atthe same time they probably push
back on it anyway.
But that's a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Right people will push back on it, because I don't
believe that that's not what itwas.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, of course, of course they go into it, and
that's fine, that's reading itright.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know how do I believe that?
Well, these are people whoactually just wrote what they
were recording history.
Right, they weren't the peoplethat are translating it right
now.
Oh, you know what I mean.
You're hoping that they'rereading correctly, that they can
decipher it, not becausethey're trying to change how
people are, whatever no butbecause they mistook a, a symbol
for another symbol.
(19:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That makes sense.
Hey, listen, I'm sure theyfound those mistakes and done
that before.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I hope so.
Maybe it was this one, maybeit's not.
Maybe it's not the end of theworld in 1925.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
The writing was totally different then I mean,
think about how they wrote inthe ink and how they had to do
it.
Yeah, yeah, parchment, they didthat that's right.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That was wild.
Was it papyrus?
Yeah, papyrus, yes just likethe storm.
That's a big word.
Papyrus.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Papyrus, hey, papyrus , hey, how you doing Yo how you
doing.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Wow, that's it.
Sorry, we didn't mean to offendanybody.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
This is so lame.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
But you know what, and that's when I was asking how
did they know to write on thisstuff that it was going to last,
you know, a hundred, gazillionyears?
They hid it.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They hid it, Hoping that maybe they were hiding it
so nobody would find it.
So what was around it?
Because I didn't even see ittoo.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
A kid went in there find him look for his goat,
Right right, I'm saying no, butthey haven't.
I wonder if they've excavatedaround the cave?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
No, it's hard to get to.
They're caves.
You can't just walk right overand walk in them.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
What if there was a building?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's what I'm saying no, no, you have to climb
up into it.
It looks like there was waterthere.
It was part of that Right.
So then now-.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
They have to climb down from over, and then get in,
so the scroll.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's where they stored stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Somebody hid them in there.
I think that's what they did.
There was actually land thereand that was the basement of a
church.
No, I think they were lookingto hide them and hold these up
Like the treasure, obviously.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But they put them and they.
That's interesting stuff, man.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I love it, because as soon as that comes on, I'm
watching it, yeah yeah it'sinsane yeah, but here's the
(21:47):
question oh, why were they putwhere they were put?
That's what I'm to say so,hopefully.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
maybe they weren't.
Maybe somebody would find themand know hey, this is what the
real deal is and not what youthought it was, or this is where
it came from, yep.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Or or it was that somebody was coming in to stop
them from preaching, from sayingthat stuff or letting it be out
.
That's the truth.
What do you mean?
I don't understand.
So he's talking about how didthe Dead Sea Scrolls get into
that cave?
It was people recording thathistory, right?
So then why did they put itthere?
Kind of quote, unquote, hidden.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I guess that was their way of keeping it safe
Right Like a time capsule.
Yeah, almost, I guess.
Or maybe the person who knewwhere it was died, or and when
there was more than one cave.
If they found that one,obviously they found more.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
But like maybe there was a keeper of the secret, yeah
, a scroll keeper.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Scroll keeper.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Who knows, that's just so interesting about it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You know it could be anything really when you think
of that time and maybe somethinghappened.
You had no hot water, you hadno toilet, you didn't have any
of that there might have beenlike a whole organization that
was like keeping that stuff safeand preserved.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
that's interesting and then something happened,
maybe some kind of catastrophe,like it could be just an
environmental catastrophe, likesome crazy library or like a
volcano, or maybe it was thepeople on Pompeii all knew where
it was that was like a secretkeeping.
That's one thing I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I'm just saying, bro, oh wait, wait, or was that
before?
No, this is supposed to bebefore.
So that's what I'm saying.
This is before, right, so thedead sea skulls and when they
were written was before, Ibelieve, because if I read it
right, then it's before krakatoablue.
I'm saying before pompeii wasgone that's what I'm saying said
(23:28):
then, and now they're startingto find.
Well, not now, I'm talkingabout the last 10 years or so
they they've been finding thebodies on.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Pompeii.
How messed up would that beLike, were they the keeper of
the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, they've been around, or, like Kenny, they've
been dug out for a long time,but they've been digging out
like more.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I didn't mean just the people now.
Yeah, yeah, that's been aroundfor a long time you can go there
and see that and go see thatnow.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So now, in that same thought.
That's what how the dead seasquirrels ended up in the cave,
like out of the way.
They heard the big boom.
I don't think they were nearwith these guys.
Well, maybe they were, I don'tknow.
Supposedly that when Krakatoablew, it covered the earth right
in cloud you, right In cloud,you know, because it hit so hard
, it blew up the way that itblew up, at midnight, so it blew
(24:15):
up like that.
So about the volcano?
Yeah, the volcano, okay, yeah,yeah, yeah.
So then that could be True,true.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
You know who knows who heard that in.
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But they didn't record it in the book.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Because they ran inside.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
No, I think those were just.
They're just caves where theykept the scrolls.
That's where they hid them.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh I thought you said they didn't write about it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was like, yeah, because they were hiding no,
they were hiding they werehiding from the volcano but I'm
saying, if they did, I'm surethat would have been in there.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I mean, I would imagine, oh, yeah, I'm sure too
maybe not, not to say so, butagain, now we gotta wait, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, what about the war scroll that they talk about
Now, that one you started totell me about, right?
The war scroll details anapocalyptic battle between
forces of good and evil, sons oflight and evil, sons of
darkness, the militaristicvisionary, some see it.
The ancient version ofRevelation Sounds so mystical.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because that's why Sounds like I see knights in
fight in armor.
Well, I mean think of.
So I mean there was a couple ofmovies like that and you know
you think about if that's goingto be the epic fight when they
show old paintings.
You know of when they weretalking about that.
They see.
You know people, people in thesky.
You know the gods fighting thatthey think it might have been
(25:34):
aliens.
You know.
You look at all that stuff, thetop of the Sistine Chapel.
That's 1650.
The Sistine.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, the Sistine.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, that you know.
It's all the angels up thereand you know that they're in and
around the clouds and such.
What a lot of these people sawand what they had in their
drawings.
Right, somebody may have seenit.
This again, this is me on myUFO stuff.
You know that these thingscould have been written.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
But it would be around the same time of
Egyptians, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I'm with you.
Yeah, it's the same time period.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
All that's happening with around Egyptians, romans,
people, whatever period theywere in that time they were
around those, you know.
So yeah, I mean that makessense.
You know you have the pyramidsbeing built.
The Jews were building it,moses.
Yeah, that's all in there too,and that's the.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
and that's why I'm saying, man, I wonder, it's just
, I think I just I don't, Ican't believe how it was that,
you know, these things werehidden for so long.
Yeah, they pop up now, and it'sWell they haven't popped up now
.
1947.
Well, not literally, I mean,you know figuratively, you know
Right, it says 47.
So in the last what 80 years?
(26:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean,kind of thing, yeah.
That you, you know what I mean.
So many things that are likewhoa okay, now that makes sense.
Whoa, now I see what it meant.
What they may have said in theEgyptian or the Aztec carvings
and stuff like that, you know,but what else you said, you saw
(27:05):
it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
No, no, I'm just saying it was, I think.
For that time.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I wonder what happened if this stuff was found
like now in like the age oflike social media where, like
it's almost hide to heart it's,it's hard, it's hard to like
hide, like news and stuff like,you know what I mean where
people just record stuff on,yeah, yeah on TikTok or
Instagram.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So they've been a bunch of funnies on social media
.
I know where the AI is doinglike, if they're you know, oh
you know, moses just turnedaround yo look what he's doing.
I've seen that, yeah, yeahwhatever the people walking by,
but what?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm saying is like though, but like imagine if that
stuff was found now, like yeah,I feel like it would be harder
to hide oh definitely like.
They'd be like oh, we'reputting this together now you
know what.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I would say to you that the people that would find
it and they would quote unquote,hide it.
They wouldn't let them show thescroll open, like you could see
a star to open, and then youknow they won't let you see the
rest, like now you got to pan uphere and look at them, you know
this way, you can't.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
The way they were wrapped and everything they
really tried to make sure thatthey lasted.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
For that time they did pretty well.
That's crazy, bro.
That is probably the craziestthing I've seen here.
But, it's so cool how thathappened, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Nobody was in the right place and then they found
them, and then they found allthese scrolls and everything,
different information, you know,yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's good stuff.
I'm still wondering, like, whoare the keepers of these scrolls
?
Like it has to be like lostinformation that happened
somehow, because it's just like,oh, we're going to bury and
forget about them.
Like who?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Someone had to know about them, but that's why I'll
bet.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Or that the people who did know about them like
something happened to them.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
That's why I'm saying I'll put money on that.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The missing scrolls.
That's what you're talkingabout.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The missing scrolls.
They got it here, so I'll bugout and say that where the
scrolls were found in the cavewas actually the basement of
whatever building structure,whatever that was on top.
There was no building there,bro, you're not listening,
you're not listening, I'm sayingthat because of where it was,
and Tom is saying that it hasn't, that nobody's found it like it
(29:14):
just happened to be or whateverthat I'm saying there was
structure around it at one time,not when they found the scrolls
at one time.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Maybe at one time there was a big building.
It was a building on top of it.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I don't know.
The building is now gone.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Probably looked like something from Batman Begins.
Yeah, some craziness.
Yeah, I'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
League of Shadows, just some kind of craziness that
was there, some monument Rightaway, you know yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Aliens and comics Right away.
Thank God, we're geeks.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I know I love it.
It's awesome, it's great man.
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's a good idea.
See is now.
It is a big hole.
So whether meteor hit it,whether there was that alien
fight that, I like to just saythat it was.
You know that there was a superexplosion said that if there
were buildings that were there,there's already a town there.
What was there before?
You know, yeah, if somethingmay had that, that building that
was there, again, we didn't.
You know, look what is up,right, but it's just I don't
know.
I said that's where my headgoes.
You know that kind of stuff.
Only because of how many thingsthat have been found that are
(30:19):
as they dig, like all this sandhas covered in Egypt.
It has covered the you know allthat all the housing that was
there.
Yeah, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Villages there, yeah, villages, cities, you know
everything.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You go to easter island and the heads are buried,
just the head up to their chin,and then, as they start to dig
and look, it's a full body.
Oh yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I love it it's like that's good stuff, yeah you know
what I mean I mean, why do theymake them and what's the reason
?
You know the meaning behind itand who do they?
You know, are they to homage?
You know somebody?
Right, it was supposed to bepaying homage, and homageage to
someone saying, hey, this is, orto a god.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
But because of the way that they're standing,
they're looking up to the skyRight.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Because of the way that their faces are.
So that's why I'm saying thatthese Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I want to say, because that's just me, that
they are, you know, from anotherkind of a civilization.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, of course they were.
They were super early.
Yeah, you know, all that stuffand all that belief was coming
in and we're in the first kindof you're getting the roots of
where it came and first started.
Yeah, and how it began, which isgreat, yeah, and then it just
splinted off and went into thosedifferent directions through
the years.
Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, man,you know.
(31:34):
So the missing scrolls somebelieve important sac uh scrolls
, were hidden or suppressed byreligious or governmental
institutions like the vatican orisrael authorities.
Conspiracy theories surged dueto the slow publication process.
Many scrolls were made publicuntil the 1990s, so it's when.
That's when they kind ofstarted letting them out.
And, yeah, people see, and nowthey're in certain museums.
I know, I, there are museums inIsrael, for sure.
(31:56):
I'm sure there may even be somehere in New York or somewhere
else in the United States whereyou could see them.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh, really yeah absolutely.
Might have to look into that.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
That would be cool to see.
Yeah, definitely.
It is cool when you see themwith your own two eyes, when you
see something like that,because it is cool when you see
them with your own two eyes.
When you see something likethat and you're like, yeah,
somebody wrote on this a longtime ago.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
In a little galaxy.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
In a little galaxy.
You know what I mean.
That's literally what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But like when you say it, you're like oh, an artifact
.
But like when you see it, Nice.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, that's like when you go to the museum.
You know what I'm saying andyou see all those things.
You know that they dug up.
You know they sat there withthe paintbrush.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think it's instinctive, too, for us to want
to know it, because we want tosee where we came from, how we
evolved at the same time, howwe've grown and some areas we
haven't, and we're still workingon it, but we have come a long
way in some things.
What's creepy, though?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
is like in Italy.
When you go to Italy, the oldchurches, like the ones that are
like old churches, like the big, giant ones from like the
medieval days, they have relicsin them.
They have like the one relic isthey had like a head, a head of
a virgin, not virgin, head of avirgin.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I know I think we're on the wrong religion.
Here I was thinking Virgin Marysaint, but no, no, no, I mean
saint.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm getting my words confused.
It was a female saint, but theyhad her head preserved,
mummified head.
They're in this section of thechurch because the churches are
shaped like crosses, so you walkin.
So it's off to one of the sidethings.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I've seen that where they build them like that, they
were built like that, but likethey have, relics, like it's so
creepy, like just the head.
There's so much Like theyhistory you know there's so much
, but it's amazing, it's soweird.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
They piece out the saints like in pieces, like
another church got like the handyeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That's sad Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So we're giving out body parts now, right?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
For our appreciation.
We want to share our new saint,but you know what?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's kind of where like there's an overlap I think
of like I'm getting a little offtopic, but I just want to say
here we go Like paganism, likeoverlaps with like big religions
.
They probably believe that thesaint gives the church a special
blessing has a mystical, has aprotective power.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think what's interesting is that, each one of
those things, whether it'speople who live in Israel, in
Egypt, in all those areas of theworld, and you get this
information.
But you have all these othercultures too, that you get the
same their history at the sametime period.
What was going on with them?
What were they doing?
You know, which is really tosee what other civilizations you
(34:45):
brought up.
You know Vikings and all that.
I mean that's all Paganism.
Paganism.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, that's just paganism paganism, yeah, yeah,
you know, that's just yeah.
Paganism was, uh, absolutelywhere a lot of this came from
too, but I mean, like a lot ofthey believe in energies and you
know, like they believe.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
They believe in the earth.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
So so if you, these relics are believed to have
special energies, you know, tobless the church, you know and I
mean so, but that's just so.
They have they.
They peace them out, which Idon't you know, that's don't
forget.
When they did that, it was themedieval times.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
The mindset then was a lot way they were torturing
people.
Think of the mindset, thenThink of us now.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
They had the Spanish Inquisition, the.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Inquisition.
You know the Inquisition.
I knew you guys were going togo up to that.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That was just like hook line and sinker, oh yeah.
No, but like you know, theywere doing a lot of.
You know church was doing a lotof weird stuff with that.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Listen, yeah, religion in general, you can't
hide that I think the.
thing that I'm fascinated aboutis not really.
I mean, I'm fascinated by thatstuff too.
Having pieces of the birthwhere it came from, why
fascinated by that stuff too.
Having pieces of the birthwhere it came from, why it
became the way it did, how theinteresting part of how people
found it on their own to yeah,yeah, yeah.
What was it that got them goingto do what they started and
(36:05):
then continue it on?
You know what I mean?
That's interesting.
It's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, get people to live the right live, you know,
and it sucks to say it like that, but get people to live to be
good to one another.
That's a better way of puttingit, you know, for there to be
kindness, and you know this isthe writings that they had
originally.
You know what I mean.
This is how to be kind tosomebody, this is how you should
be and this is what they triedto.
(36:29):
You know, preach or practiceRight, and you know people
believe that it should be alittle bit different how we do
it, and you know that's wherethe different sets come from,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, you know, we definitely come a long way as
far as that is concerned, whenit comes to that, I mean, but
sometimes I wonder that's awhole other podcast the who
Conspiracy theories, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Who wrote the scrolls ?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Most scholars believe they were written by or belong
to the Essenes apocalypticJewish sect that lived
communally at Qumran.
Others suggest a mix of sources, including priests, scribes and
(37:16):
zodiacites.
Zodiacites.
That's an interesting word, yeah, or two words, I should say,
but yeah.
So again, these are things I'venever heard of before.
You know, we're just used towhat we know.
And then when we find out this,oh wait a minute.
Oh wait a minute, yeah, becauseit needed to come from
somewhere else in order for itto be what it is now.
Right, yeah, you know, likeeverything else in life, yeah,
(37:39):
it matures and it takes off andit goes in its own direction,
hopefully for the best.
Yes, of course, but I find thisstuff very interesting.
I always do.
When I see it on the telly, Iwant to watch it, because I'm a
geek and I like that stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, I don't even know.
I think this is.
well, I don't know, we're goingto call History Buff a geek,
yeah why, not, I don't care,this guy, I'm just saying,
because I'm kind of a historybuff too A little bit of that
stuff.
I like all that, yeah, all tohear about them, to be able to
read them and hear what they are.
And you know, like I said again, I think they just they only
(38:15):
let out a little at a time.
So this way people don't youknow the masses, but they're
letting it out.
So that's a good part.
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You know how everybody's thinking is yeah,
it's, it just shows you.
Okay, wait a minute, we gotthis.
Yeah, Not that it was wrong,but it was made Because things
changed.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Right, it was like a telephone.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Right, Right.
It started here and then itjust went Right.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Translation just changed up.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right, I'll go with that it took a life of its own
and went in different directions.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And then this is where we're at and then like
this is where we're at, like in,so like in the bible, at the,
in the, at the end.
I forget what it is.
Yeah, actually what you know,where it says like you know what
, like the end of the times, andstuff, like so where it says
I'll see you at the end of timeor whatever, or he'll be back at
the end of time, and that'ssupposed to be like the end of
(39:08):
the world.
But the scholars now believethat that was wrong, because if
you translate it to aeon, whichaeon is a specific set of times,
so return.
So the return will be in liketwo, twenty five hundred years
or over two thousand years wow,it's a long time away.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Not for nothing, right?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I mean, I don't know why that's kind of like now
though, yeah now, yeah, nowwould be a good time, but anyway
, well, no, well, because again,but not the end of the world.
Right, they would just comeback Right In a specific set of
time.
Yeah, because I mean, thinkabout it.
You know it's 2,000 years forus.
Yeah, yeah, isn't the same as2,000 years when people go off
to, because remember that wasthat was one thing that we were
(39:50):
talking about that when you gooff planet and you're going into
space, people here grow old,right you?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
don't when you're out in space.
If you're going to travel,delete the speed of light.
You will definitely be youngerwhen you come back, right, so
now be super old, though theyalready are so I'm going to
throw it back into that ufo shit.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
that if this is, if it was like that, that when the
that 2000 years for us, 2,500years for us, isn't the same for
somebody traveling throughspace, yeah, I went there again.
Just singing Love that music, Ilove it.
Yeah, well, yeah, listen andall day Twilight Zone.
All day Twilight Zone.
You know Absolutely.
(40:27):
There was a movie that they hadthat portal and they were able
to decipher it and they walkedthrough it.
They had a TV show on it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh yeah, that's right .
My father loved that show, ohSliders.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Sliders 2.
No, no, the other one with themilitary that they went back
into.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Stargate, stargate, there you go, thank you, my
father loved that show.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
So now you look at Stargate, and what if that's how
they did transfer and jump fromplanet to planet throughout you
know, whatever solar systemsand whatnot.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Well, because that theory makes a lot of sense.
And if you go on the rabbithole, they show a picture or a
slide of different places on theplanet where they have those
circular things that may havebeen used for portals.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Just saying, so that again, like I said, I understand
that you know you know wealways said we try to stay away
from, from religion and politics.
But you know, just for this,what if that, that religion that
you know people are going bynow is wrong and that these dead
sea skulls are?
Really well, I think you knowwhat.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I think what's happened, you know, I think I
think people are getting to thepoint now where they're doing
their own thing.
They're doing their own thing,people getting to the point
where they know what they want,what they want to be and yeah,
people still go to church andeverything, but I think it's not
like it was.
I think people are starting tobelieve and they know because
there's so much information outthere, like we're talking about
right now.
And they find out.
(41:55):
Hey, well, I was told this, butnow it's really that you know,
like okay, well, that personneeds to make that decision for
themselves and hopefully theyget through it, right, but
that's what it's about.
So I think it's in this timewhere actually get people
pushing back and saying, no, Idon't need to follow that
anymore.
This is what it means like thatlike right, like for me, for the
pledge allegiance right, Ileave the god out.
(42:16):
Right, because I say theoriginal version before it was
put in.
So I do that.
But that's my but, that's forme right.
That doesn't mean it's right orit's wrong, it just means
there's something that youfollow, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
That's why I'm using that example.
Yeah, I don't mean to bring itup, but, but I'm saying that for
a reason.
I know what you mean.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Because and I hear that I get it and for me that's
important, because it meanssomething, because and the same
for that as well, right, yeah,for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, it's going to be wild when they finally are
able to, you know, release.
You know, I mean, I know 900 isa lot, but you know to just let
us hear more.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
There may be some that can't even put together.
It's so badly battered.
Yeah, that's the thing, yeahthat is so badly weathered and
everything.
They just fall apart if theyeven touch them, like I'm sure
there's scrolls that they havewhere they can't even unroll and
they're afraid to even touch it.
Like we just got to leave itand then maybe to kind of x-ray
it or view it, where they canbreak it down in pieces visually
(43:14):
and then put it on a screen andmaybe they could see it that
way.
I would imagine they have thatkind of technology now.
Right, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, that's what I love about it, because you get
in the information to find outthe true history.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
What was going on there?
Oh yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Somebody's inventing that exact thing right now.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Right now.
If we just had a time machine,though.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah right, we could just go back and get the real
one.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
We wouldn't even need that sea scroll.
We'll just hang out and seewhat history hasn't happened,
what, who, the motherfuckers?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's great.
That was a good one.
I like it, man.
That was a good topic that.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
No no definitely not.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I know I'm a geeky guy.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
I apologize, but I wish it wasn't copyrighted,
because I would love to end thisepisode, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
With something else, dewey.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Lewis and the News Back in Time.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Back in time, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Going back in time.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, I don't mind oh yeah, see, I'll be back in time
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Speaker 3 (44:23):
Holla.
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How is everyone tonight?
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, man Chill, great that's funny.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yo, I'm just going to jump right into it.
I know all of us we're geekswhen it comes to certain things,
yeah, but I know, for me, ifI'm sitting around watching TV
and I see the Discovery Channelor Science, whatever it is, and
something pops up about the seascrolls, I'm immediately zoned
in.
You know I want to.
They definitely caught myinterest Because.
(00:42):
I want to know how far backdoes that go and what does it
mean and where did you start andwho started it?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
And why it is where it is now.
So you like learning biblicalhistory, right?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Biblical history is history.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Or, even better, I would say, the truth finding,
because it's supposed to be themost accurate.
That's what we could talk.
We're going to get into thatNow.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I know that we don't talk about and I know this came
up and we'll just say it brieflyyes, we don't talk about
certain things, certainreligions power to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
This pertains to an episode.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
This pertains to a totally different subject.
This is the birth of it, how itstarted, who the people, things
like that, and what they sawand how they saw it.
And then you could go, we couldalways go yeah, we're gonna end
up so that being said it'sgonna be this is about.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
This is about yeah, kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, like yeah, because this is a good subject,
man, so the dead sea scrolls,like you said, that's supposed
to be what the original writingsyou know and most accurate,
most accurate, so that nowthat's where we, you know, of
course I go that way to ufos ifit was the real, you know,
really aliens that wrote thatstuff, because a lot of the like
(01:51):
you were telling us before lou,that we'll get to later on, I
mean like angels coming down,you know to, to make the for the
war part, you were telling me.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, they the netherlands, right?
So then, yeah, we'll get tothat later, right?
You know I'm what I'm saying.
Yeah, we're going to get tothat later, you see, that's the
list.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
All those things are things that we've heard, what
people said there were somethings in this that I never
heard.
No, no, no.
I'm saying things like that,about having when people talk
and a lot of the old, I sayeverybody that wherever it was,
(02:26):
there's a pyramid that they saidit was aliens that had come
down and bred with the women andyou know like giants and stuff
like that yeah.
So we'll start from thebeginning.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Lou yeah, no, listen.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And then and and and.
Well, I mean start from thebeginning, because I want to get
to that other stuff too.
Yeah, yeah, that stuff isinteresting.
I love that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They were discovered in 1947 and 1956 near a dead sea
, of course I think it's QumranCoves.
Over 900 scrolls were found.
That's insane.
Biblical and I'm sorry.
Yeah, bible texts, bible textsand I don't know.
You wrote that.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I know I'm sorry, my bad.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But the cord was in the way.
Yeah, Excuse me guys Sect rules, so this is where you start to
see different things that happenin religions, right, okay,
apocryphal, that's another one,so each one.
So Discovery, 1947.
What was the scrolls?
Biblical manuscripts, but notincluded book enoch, jubilee
(03:26):
tobit.
There were other bibles thatweren't included, right?
So you know, back then thesewere also held for a while
because people didn't want totalk about them, right, like
they would find certain thingsin there, and people were like,
well, no, well, that's not that,because this is what we've been
talking about, well, you know,yeah, well, just all the things
as a whole, because so manythings.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So, if we are going to say that this is Look, it
validates accuracy of the HebrewBible, right?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So the people who wrote this kept records of all
this stuff, right?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
right.
I'm saying that now people andlike you said, how things have
changed, you know how certain,how people.
I guess we'll say interpretthem Right.
You know what I mean.
That that's why there's now somany different sets.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know what I mean.
So there would definitely besome controversy and who thinks
it's right or what they actuallymeant, and all that.
I'm sure that's going on as wespeak?
Definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But that's why we haven't heard about all of them.
You know what I mean right,just in what has been found.
You know and this is mewatching tv you know not what
you had found here for us, butthat is just so many people, you
know they're like wait, no,like glue just said, you know,
is that, could that?
Is that really?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
you know what I mean yeah, it's, it's, it's yeah I
would think that probably, if itwas what we think it was right,
possibly could have been Sure,we're going to get to that
subject.
But, you have to remember thatman in its time probably wasn't.
They weren't that.
I mean, they were definitelygood carpenters and things like
that, but they didn't have thetechnology than what we have now
(04:58):
.
And I'm sure they did thingsthat amaze us now that they did
that we had no clue, you can doRight.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, now that they did that, we had no clue, you
can do right.
Yeah, because the carbon fiber,like you said in the, in the
paper and things like that.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Now it's more accurate.
Oh, the the carbon, carbondating or carbon dating stuff.
Yeah, the carbon dating.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, now they have ai involved now so they they
think that ai thinks that it'solder than what they originally
thought yeah so twice what it?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
was.
Yeah because right now.
So that's how all twice what itwas.
Yeah because right now.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So that's how old.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
The parchment, the paper was from that time,
because every time they findsomething new and they're matter
of fact like I watched this TVshow, or I haven't watched it in
a while.
Oak Island and on.
Oak Island they keep findingthings as they're digging around
in there, but as they'redigging around in there, but
they can't find the treasure,though, bro.
Well, no, no, I'm not eventalking about in the money pit,
I'm talking like just on theisland and different things that
(05:47):
happen on the island.
They're discovering the peoplethat were there before, who we
thought was there, right, youknow?
Like it was official, like theVikings were there, first, the
Knights Templar, where there'sproof that they were there, and
they dating what has alreadybeen written.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So, instead of them being there in, you know, 1701
they were really there in 1501right, they were earlier, right.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So then now, based on what they found, and, yeah, so
doing like said these, that'swhy I love watching that stuff
yeah I'm geek when it comes tooh they're definitely doing the
carmen dating yeah and for whatit is now.
Was it?
It's still?
I've never heard, until westarted doing some other stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
The when they do dating is bcc, cbc, something
like that, cbc bc right we havebefore christ and and after
death a day, and it was one thatwas before that.
It was another one that'sbefore that.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I think it was c, bce or ec, right, and I didn't even
and dude, if these go backfurther than what we've all
thought Think of how man wasback then.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm not saying that they were stupid, no that there
was man.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They didn't think that there was man.
It was like you know.
Now they're starting to saythat dinosaurs people walked
with dinosaurs of years.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, I mean only talking like three, four
thousand.
Well, you know, it might doublelike, let's say, they were two
thousand so now they'reoriginally four thousand.
We're not talking like and thecenturies onto it or anything
like that.
I know, but still that theywent that far back and they were
able to find that itself and Iknow the theory is like that
homo sapien is like 25 000 yearsold, right.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And then there's, then you start going back
towards the you know earlierlike man, right and that's the
thing.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So then that timeline might be wrong too, neanderthal
right, yeah, that's a timelinewe could be way off on that yeah
Speaker 1 (07:38):
we could be but at the same time we probably could
be right on shit too at the sametime, when you think about it,
definitely and you know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
What's wild is how the scrolls survived that long
in the caves out by the dead sea, the what the scrolls oh, yeah,
yeah, like how they.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
They're found by accident, no, no, but how did
they not?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
like the paper didn't just disintegrate.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean I know some of them is.
They had a lot of those thatwere like that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
They were like that, but they had a lot that they
were able to piece back together.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying so you know, imagine
doing that kind of work, tediouslittle bro brushes and my
magnifying glass, right?
Yeah, no, that's that personthat really loves doing.
That's super geekish, rightthere, man man.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
No doubt I can't do that.
I like those people because youknow what they're good, I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They give me all the information that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I'm interested in knowing about you.
Know I'm like yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That is great and I think they can probably.
I mean people might not trustit but like AI to fill in the
blanks on some of them now theycould probably get because a lot
.
Some of them have like holes inthem and they can't piece them
together, like there's missing,like it's like you know
something like you'd see in likea movie so there was one in the
movie.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Wait, what was it?
Blade, oh yeah, blade frostwanted to bring back the moogle.
Oh, whatever, that, yeah, andso that.
Then he turned around and theyhad put these texts up there,
and he's looking at themtogether and then he knew how to
what to do and yeah, he wasfreaking bugged out.
But yeah, I was with you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, but no but but that seriously that they have
issues with those, becausethere's, you know, there's
because of damage, that there'slike not full.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yes, and that's why I bug out, because it's now them
putting it together that a lotof the stuff that people believe
is not true.
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
Like it's just all changed up.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, I want to apologize because I was wrong
when I said earlier.
Several fragments previouslybelieved from the 2nd and 1st
century BCE are now datedearlier.
Dated earlier, sometimes byseveral decades or even a
century.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, okay, so I take it back.
Yeah, so it was more than Ithought too though I don't know
why.
I thought that Well, because Imean again for what we know,
what we believed what thetimeline was yeah, no, it's all
right, it's going way back andwhatnot it's a given.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
We fixed it.
We got the information out yes.
Yes, you know, and I know thereare people that love this stuff
, man.
Yeah, yeah of course, yeah,definitely, we loved it.
Just to go back, and I think inmy past life I might have been.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Indiana Jones yeah, yeah, you want to be the
librarian.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the librarian.
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I.
So now they're saying too, whowrote the scrolls.
So most scholars believe theywere written by or belong to the
essence of apocalyptic Jewishsect that live commonly in
Qumran.
Others suggest a mix of sources, including priests, scribes and
Zodiacite exiles.
You know, so, again, that'swhat these you know.
Yet the rest of us who thinksthat you know it could have been
, I said I'll go to the aliens,you know, I mean
extraterrestrials that came downand were trying to teach people
(10:54):
here, the humans that were here, how to live, how to exist, how
to grow their own stuff.
You know, and I only say thatbecause think of all these
things that they found, you know, out there, by, you know by the
Dead Sea, or just you knowother places we talk about, even
like the pyramids and stuff.
There's pyramids around thewhole world and the whole planet
(11:16):
.
There are pyramids in likeevery continent, just about.
And who taught those people tobuild them?
They basically built identical.
You know little differencesbecause of where they are, but
you know.
So again, you know I said thedead sea scrolls, something else
that I just just came to myhead, sorry, guys.
So they're saying that therewas civilization and around the
(11:38):
time where Krakatoa blew.
That that's when everythingchanged, Like civilization.
Civilization had basicallystopped because they were stuck
in the dark and then they cameback around.
You know what I mean.
So I wonder if, going with thatthing, because it says sorry,
it just popped up.
That was my history geek moment, but you know if that's what it
(11:59):
was, that then the dead seascrolls predate krakatoa, right,
you?
You know what I'm saying.
Blowing up, or you knowwhatever?
Yeah, and civilization startedall over it, you know, which is
maybe why, like you then said,you know it was only a thousand
years or two thousand years.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well, I thought it was like three, four thousand,
but now, when I think about it,yeah, but still that long.
I mean bro that's a lot of timefor people to come back around
I think still, you know, it's alot of, it's a long time, man.
Yeah, yeah, go that far back tohistory.
You know, and this is what theywere doing.
Yeah, they find their teeth andthey keep, they bury them with
(12:34):
all this.
You know everything isdifferent.
You know, when they findcertain things and how they were
buried and right yep how theywere wrapped.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
it's crazy.
Just the beliefs as a whole, Ithink is wild.
Yes, yeah, but I mean I don'tknow.
I think for me personally, youknow, I like to think about what
life, how life would bedifferent for us.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
It would be so harder then you wouldn't want to live
then Well yeah, we didn't wantto live when there's still
cowboys and Indians.
Yeah, I'm saying right but thatwas, that was hard, that had to
be harsh times, hard times,times, living like that back in
(13:21):
that day and I'm sure, but forthem it was every day, so it
didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
right, yes, same for us, yeah, oh yeah, definitely
that was their thing but still,I, I don't think we would want
to go oh, no way, no, no andfind out.
Yeah, I'm all right, thank you,if I can go in like invisible,
just to watch and see.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, I'm good, yeah, I'll go do that, but I'm not,
I'm not gonna actually exactlyno way, man no way.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
How so the copper scroll?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That's one that they say there's all this treasure,
that it lists all the treasurethere is, but they still haven't
found it.
And they've looked for it, theystill haven't found it and they
looked for it.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
where they found the scroll no in that scroll, oh, in
that scroll, that's a copperscroll.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It was carved in copper, ooh Wow Onto that.
So the copper was the pages oh,that's groovy, yeah, and that's
what was on there, you know.
And it lists all this treasurethat they no luck they have not
found any.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I'll bet money that they're.
They're looking in the wrongspot probably.
Yeah, well, and that's theother thing too.
So, where the dead seas?
Well, see, I didn't.
I mean I wish we, I would havepaid attention or looked to
where it was.
Because now you think about wayback when, how the land masses
were, earthquakes, picked.
You know the plates moving onthe planet and whatnot if the
(14:33):
dead seas goes was part ofsomething else.
You know the plates moving onthe planet and whatnot if the
dead sea skulls was part ofsomething else.
You know another body of water,another valley or something
that then that's why they can'tfind it, because it's things
have moved around.
Make sense?
No, they were in caves, theywere.
No, no, no, they're talkingabout, you said, looking for the
treasure that they can't findoh, the treasure.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
And with the treasure it'llprobably be the same thing,
right, they just stumble acrossit.
Somebody who wasn't looking forit would find it.
Yep, that's probably what wouldhappen.
Yeah, because or they may findit too, because they found a lot
of stuff just by yeah because Imean like, look Now what they
have.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So in 1947 is when from 47 to 56.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And all that time they were studying.
They were studying and lookingand finding.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But my question is but it's taken them a while to
put them together.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, they were held.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
A lot of stuff was held back too.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh yeah, of course they were just starting and
released more in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right because it was changing what religion was in a
sense Because everybody thinksone thing and then when you look
at that, you go okay.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But, then of course you know it wasn't really that
we can talk about this Isn'tthere one that says like turn a
stone, there I am, or something?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Right, just put a piece of wood and you'll find me
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's aquote from John.
I think, john, I think.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I could be wrong, but was it in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Wasn't that in the Dead SeaScrolls?
It may have been.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
They also mention Jesus in it, but they don't
mention him by name, right?
So that was a as beingpersecuted.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Meaning.
Like you know, you don't needchurch.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, yeah, no wonder why that's not in there I'm not
sure.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, we can get a little.
Yeah, no, we could.
Yeah, no, but there's a lot ofstuff that comes from because
that was mainly jewish, and then, of course, it broke off and
then it went its own directionsand, like everything else, right
, right.
And then that's what they'refinding out when they look at
this stuff, how it grew andbranched off and well, that's
why I think catholicism came.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's why I was always.
I think Catholicism came.
That's why I always.
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Christian, not Catholicism.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, that's why I always thought the religion was
it Masonic Jews.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yes, the ones that Jews for Jesus, as they called
them.
Jews for Jesus, right, right.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But like that's always an interesting religion
because they follow all thetraditional Jewish practices
practices but in a sense they'rechristian, but not right.
Yeah, what people think, likethey're jewish but they're
technically the most christianof christians because they
follow right the same.
Yeah like it is kind of weirdhow it just like branched off
(17:07):
into like exactly, that's justlike oh, we'll get rid of all
the jewish traditions and we'regonna have this I wonder what
made them say we're gonna stopthese ones and continue these
ones but they saw the masonicjews do it all I don't think
they do any of the christian.
Maybe they do celebrate some ofthe christians I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They probably celebrate christmas, do?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
they get both, that's double holidays.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Oh wow, double whammy right there.
Yeah, yeah, they probably sayonly one of the others's like
having divorced parents.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
It's like oh we believe.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's messed up.
Double holidays yeah, get twobirthdays.
It's all about Passover andEaster if they don't fall across
Well sometimes they crisscross,yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sometimes they're like a week apart.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
It's a lot of feasting, but that's you're
going to say dinner and thenEaster dinner, right?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
That's great, that is freaking hilarious.
But you know, you said dinnerand you made me think oh,
chicken.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I'll go ahead.
I just found this by the copperscroll, Unlike any other scroll
, the engraved on copperTreasure 64 underground hiding
places with vast amounts of goldand silver and scrolls.
Despite many efforts, notreasure has ever been found,
Fueling conspiracy theories andIndiana Jones style hunts.
(18:24):
So people are like we're goingto find this shit Right.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, like I said, that goes back to what I was
saying about Oak Island.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That's where you had to have that.
One Put the hat on.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We can do it, but that's what happened on Oak
Island.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's what we had to have that one Put the hat on.
We can do it, but that's whathappened on Oak Island.
They're there looking fortreasure that they read in a
book and when they get there tofind it, they're finding all
kind of different we'll saydifferent kind of treasure.
It's not about the money.
It's about now changing history.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well, basically, you're finding out what they
believed and how they livedright and now so finding these
Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I think that's why they don't release everything in
one shot they've released a lotso far but I think they're just
giving it out slowly because,do you know, bro, the shock
that's like, that's a cultureshock.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, I think I would guess, not really.
I mean for those who are superreligious and into it that much,
and you know what I mean.
I would guess, but I think atthe same time they probably push
back on it anyway.
But that's a whole other story.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Right people will push back on it, because I don't
believe that that's not what itwas.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, of course, of course they go into it, and
that's fine, that's reading itright.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know how do I believe that?
Well, these are people whoactually just wrote what they
were recording history.
Right, they weren't the peoplethat are translating it right
now.
Oh, you know what I mean.
You're hoping that they'rereading correctly, that they can
decipher it, not becausethey're trying to change how
people are, whatever no butbecause they mistook a, a symbol
for another symbol.
(19:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That makes sense.
Hey, listen, I'm sure theyfound those mistakes and done
that before.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I hope so.
Maybe it was this one, maybeit's not.
Maybe it's not the end of theworld in 1925.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
The writing was totally different then I mean,
think about how they wrote inthe ink and how they had to do
it.
Yeah, yeah, parchment, they didthat that's right.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That was wild.
Was it papyrus?
Yeah, papyrus, yes just likethe storm.
That's a big word.
Papyrus.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Papyrus, hey, papyrus , hey, how you doing Yo how you
doing.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Wow, that's it.
Sorry, we didn't mean to offendanybody.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
This is so lame.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
But you know what, and that's when I was asking how
did they know to write on thisstuff that it was going to last,
you know, a hundred, gazillionyears?
They hid it.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
They hid it, Hoping that maybe they were hiding it
so nobody would find it.
So what was around it?
Because I didn't even see ittoo.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
A kid went in there find him look for his goat,
Right right, I'm saying no, butthey haven't.
I wonder if they've excavatedaround the cave?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
No, it's hard to get to.
They're caves.
You can't just walk right overand walk in them.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
What if there was a building?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's what I'm saying no, no, you have to climb
up into it.
It looks like there was waterthere.
It was part of that Right.
So then now-.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
They have to climb down from over, and then get in,
so the scroll.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's where they stored stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Somebody hid them in there.
I think that's what they did.
There was actually land thereand that was the basement of a
church.
No, I think they were lookingto hide them and hold these up
Like the treasure, obviously.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But they put them and they.
That's interesting stuff, man.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I love it, because as soon as that comes on, I'm
watching it, yeah yeah it'sinsane yeah, but here's the
(21:47):
question oh, why were they putwhere they were put?
That's what I'm to say so,hopefully.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
maybe they weren't.
Maybe somebody would find themand know hey, this is what the
real deal is and not what youthought it was, or this is where
it came from, yep.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Or or it was that somebody was coming in to stop
them from preaching, from sayingthat stuff or letting it be out
.
That's the truth.
What do you mean?
I don't understand.
So he's talking about how didthe Dead Sea Scrolls get into
that cave?
It was people recording thathistory, right?
So then why did they put itthere?
Kind of quote, unquote, hidden.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I guess that was their way of keeping it safe
Right Like a time capsule.
Yeah, almost, I guess.
Or maybe the person who knewwhere it was died, or and when
there was more than one cave.
If they found that one,obviously they found more.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
But like maybe there was a keeper of the secret, yeah
, a scroll keeper.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Scroll keeper.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Who knows, that's just so interesting about it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
You know it could be anything really when you think
of that time and maybe somethinghappened.
You had no hot water, you hadno toilet, you didn't have any
of that there might have beenlike a whole organization that
was like keeping that stuff safeand preserved.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
that's interesting and then something happened,
maybe some kind of catastrophe,like it could be just an
environmental catastrophe, likesome crazy library or like a
volcano, or maybe it was thepeople on Pompeii all knew where
it was that was like a secretkeeping.
That's one thing I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I'm just saying, bro, oh wait, wait, or was that
before?
No, this is supposed to bebefore.
So that's what I'm saying.
This is before, right, so thedead sea skulls and when they
were written was before, Ibelieve, because if I read it
right, then it's before krakatoablue.
I'm saying before pompeii wasgone that's what I'm saying said
(23:28):
then, and now they're startingto find.
Well, not now, I'm talkingabout the last 10 years or so
they they've been finding thebodies on.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Pompeii.
How messed up would that beLike, were they the keeper of
the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, they've been around, or, like Kenny, they've
been dug out for a long time,but they've been digging out
like more.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I didn't mean just the people now.
Yeah, yeah, that's been aroundfor a long time you can go there
and see that and go see thatnow.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So now, in that same thought.
That's what how the dead seasquirrels ended up in the cave,
like out of the way.
They heard the big boom.
I don't think they were nearwith these guys.
Well, maybe they were, I don'tknow.
Supposedly that when Krakatoablew, it covered the earth right
in cloud you, right In cloud,you know, because it hit so hard
, it blew up the way that itblew up, at midnight, so it blew
(24:15):
up like that.
So about the volcano?
Yeah, the volcano, okay, yeah,yeah, yeah.
So then that could be True,true.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
You know who knows who heard that in.
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But they didn't record it in the book.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Because they ran inside.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
No, I think those were just.
They're just caves where theykept the scrolls.
That's where they hid them.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh I thought you said they didn't write about it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I was like, yeah, because they were hiding no,
they were hiding they werehiding from the volcano but I'm
saying, if they did, I'm surethat would have been in there.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I mean, I would imagine, oh, yeah, I'm sure too
maybe not, not to say so, butagain, now we gotta wait, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Well, what about the war scroll that they talk about
Now, that one you started totell me about, right?
The war scroll details anapocalyptic battle between
forces of good and evil, sons oflight and evil, sons of
darkness, the militaristicvisionary, some see it.
The ancient version ofRevelation Sounds so mystical.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Because that's why Sounds like I see knights in
fight in armor.
Well, I mean think of.
So I mean there was a couple ofmovies like that and you know
you think about if that's goingto be the epic fight when they
show old paintings.
You know of when they weretalking about that.
They see.
You know people, people in thesky.
You know the gods fighting thatthey think it might have been
(25:34):
aliens.
You know.
You look at all that stuff, thetop of the Sistine Chapel.
That's 1650.
The Sistine.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, the Sistine.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yes, that you know.
It's all the angels up thereand you know that they're in and
around the clouds and such.
What a lot of these people sawand what they had in their
drawings.
Right, somebody may have seenit.
This again, this is me on myUFO stuff.
You know that these thingscould have been written.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
But it would be around the same time of
Egyptians, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I'm with you.
Yeah, it's the same time period.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
All that's happening with around Egyptians, romans,
people, whatever period theywere in that time they were
around those, you know.
So yeah, I mean that makessense.
You know you have the pyramidsbeing built.
The Jews were building it,moses.
Yeah, that's all in there too,and that's the.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
and that's why I'm saying, man, I wonder, it's just
, I think I just I don't, Ican't believe how it was that,
you know, these things werehidden for so long.
Yeah, they pop up now, and it'sWell they haven't popped up now
.
1947.
Well, not literally, I mean,you know figuratively, you know
Right, it says 47.
So in the last what 80 years?
(26:43):
Yeah, you know what I mean,kind of thing, yeah.
That you, you know what I mean.
So many things that are likewhoa okay, now that makes sense.
Whoa, now I see what it meant.
What they may have said in theEgyptian or the Aztec carvings
and stuff like that, you know,but what else you said, you saw
(27:05):
it.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
No, no, I'm just saying it was, I think.
For that time.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I wonder what happened if this stuff was found
like now in like the age oflike social media where, like
it's almost hide to heart it's,it's hard, it's hard to like
hide, like news and stuff like,you know what I mean where
people just record stuff on,yeah, yeah on TikTok or
Instagram.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So they've been a bunch of funnies on social media
.
I know where the AI is doinglike, if they're you know, oh
you know, moses just turnedaround yo look what he's doing.
I've seen that, yeah, yeahwhatever the people walking by,
but what?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm saying is like though, but like imagine if that
stuff was found now, like yeah,I feel like it would be harder
to hide oh definitely like.
They'd be like oh, we'reputting this together now you
know what.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I would say to you that the people that would find
it and they would quote unquote,hide it.
They wouldn't let them show thescroll open, like you could see
a star to open, and then youknow they won't let you see the
rest, like now you got to pan uphere and look at them, you know
this way, you can't.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
The way they were wrapped and everything they
really tried to make sure thatthey lasted.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
For that time they did pretty well.
That's crazy, bro.
That is probably the craziestthing I've seen here.
But, it's so cool how thathappened, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Nobody was in the right place and then they found
them, and then they found allthese scrolls and everything,
different information, you know,yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's good stuff.
I'm still wondering, like, whoare the keepers of these scrolls
?
Like it has to be like lostinformation that happened
somehow, because it's just like,oh, we're going to bury and
forget about them.
Like who?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Someone had to know about them, but that's why I'll
bet.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Or that the people who did know about them like
something happened to them.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
That's why I'm saying I'll put money on that.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The missing scrolls.
That's what you're talkingabout.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
The missing scrolls.
They got it here, so I'll bugout and say that where the
scrolls were found in the cavewas actually the basement of
whatever building structure,whatever that was on top.
There was no building there,bro, you're not listening,
you're not listening, I'm sayingthat because of where it was,
and Tom is saying that it hasn't, that nobody's found it like it
(29:14):
just happened to be or whateverthat I'm saying there was
structure around it at one time,not when they found the scrolls
at one time.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Maybe at one time there was a big building.
It was a building on top of it.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I don't know.
The building is now gone.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Probably looked like something from Batman Begins.
Yeah, some craziness.
Yeah, I'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
League of Shadows, just some kind of craziness that
was there, some monument Rightaway, you know yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Aliens and comics Right away.
Thank God, we're geeks.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I know I love it.
It's awesome, it's great man.
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's a good idea.
See is now.
It is a big hole.
So whether meteor hit it,whether there was that alien
fight that, I like to just saythat it was.
You know that there was a superexplosion said that if there
were buildings that were there,there's already a town there.
What was there before?
You know, yeah, if somethingmay had that, that building that
was there, again, we didn't.
You know, look what is up,right, but it's just I don't
know.
I said that's where my headgoes.
You know that kind of stuff.
Only because of how many thingsthat have been found that are
(30:19):
as they dig, like all this sandhas covered in Egypt.
It has covered the you know allthat all the housing that was
there.
Yeah, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Villages there, yeah, villages, cities, you know
everything.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You go to easter island and the heads are buried,
just the head up to their chin,and then, as they start to dig
and look, it's a full body.
Oh yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I love it it's like that's good stuff, yeah you know
what I mean I mean, why do theymake them and what's the reason
?
You know the meaning behind itand who do they?
You know, are they to homage?
You know somebody?
Right, it was supposed to bepaying homage, and homageage to
someone saying, hey, this is, orto a god.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
But because of the way that they're standing,
they're looking up to the skyRight.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Because of the way that their faces are.
So that's why I'm saying thatthese Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I want to say, because that's just me, that
they are, you know, from anotherkind of a civilization.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, of course they were.
They were super early.
Yeah, you know, all that stuffand all that belief was coming
in and we're in the first kindof you're getting the roots of
where it came and first started.
Yeah, and how it began, which isgreat, yeah, and then it just
splinted off and went into thosedifferent directions through
the years.
Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, man,you know.
(31:34):
So the missing scrolls somebelieve important sac uh scrolls
, were hidden or suppressed byreligious or governmental
institutions like the vatican orisrael authorities.
Conspiracy theories surged dueto the slow publication process.
Many scrolls were made publicuntil the 1990s, so it's when.
That's when they kind ofstarted letting them out.
And, yeah, people see, and nowthey're in certain museums.
I know, I, there are museums inIsrael, for sure.
(31:56):
I'm sure there may even be somehere in New York or somewhere
else in the United States whereyou could see them.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Oh, really yeah absolutely.
Might have to look into that.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
That would be cool to see.
Yeah, definitely.
It is cool when you see themwith your own two eyes, when you
see something like that,because it is cool when you see
them with your own two eyes.
When you see something likethat and you're like, yeah,
somebody wrote on this a longtime ago.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
In a little galaxy.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
In a little galaxy.
You know what I mean.
That's literally what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But like when you say it, you're like oh, an artifact
.
But like when you see it, Nice.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, that's like when you go to the museum.
You know what I'm saying andyou see all those things.
You know that they dug up.
You know they sat there withthe paintbrush.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I think it's instinctive, too, for us to want
to know it, because we want tosee where we came from, how we
evolved at the same time, howwe've grown and some areas we
haven't, and we're still workingon it, but we have come a long
way in some things.
What's creepy, though?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
is like in Italy.
When you go to Italy, the oldchurches, like the ones that are
like old churches, like the big, giant ones from like the
medieval days, they have relicsin them.
They have like the one relic isthey had like a head, a head of
a virgin, not virgin, head of avirgin.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I know I think we're on the wrong religion.
Here I was thinking Virgin Marysaint, but no, no, no, I mean
saint.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm getting my words confused.
It was a female saint, but theyhad her head preserved,
mummified head.
They're in this section of thechurch because the churches are
shaped like crosses, so you walkin.
So it's off to one of the sidethings.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I've seen that where they build them like that, they
were built like that, but likethey have, relics, like it's so
creepy, like just the head.
There's so much Like theyhistory you know there's so much
, but it's amazing, it's soweird.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
They piece out the saints like in pieces, like
another church got like the handyeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That's sad Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So we're giving out body parts now, right?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
For our appreciation.
We want to share our new saint,but you know what?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's kind of where like there's an overlap I think
of like I'm getting a little offtopic, but I just want to say
here we go Like paganism, likeoverlaps with like big religions
.
They probably believe that thesaint gives the church a special
blessing has a mystical, has aprotective power.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think what's interesting is that, each one of
those things, whether it'speople who live in Israel, in
Egypt, in all those areas of theworld, and you get this
information.
But you have all these othercultures too, that you get the
same their history at the sametime period.
What was going on with them?
What were they doing?
You know, which is really tosee what other civilizations you
(34:45):
brought up.
You know Vikings and all that.
I mean that's all Paganism.
Paganism.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, that's just paganism paganism, yeah, yeah,
you know, that's just yeah.
Paganism was, uh, absolutelywhere a lot of this came from
too, but I mean, like a lot ofthey believe in energies and you
know, like they believe.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
They believe in the earth.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
So so if you, these relics are believed to have
special energies, you know, tobless the church, you know and I
mean so, but that's just so.
They have they.
They peace them out, which Idon't you know, that's don't
forget.
When they did that, it was themedieval times.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
The mindset then was a lot way they were torturing
people.
Think of the mindset, thenThink of us now.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
They had the Spanish Inquisition, the.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Inquisition.
You know the Inquisition.
I knew you guys were going togo up to that.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
That was just like hook line and sinker, oh yeah.
No, but like you know, theywere doing a lot of.
You know church was doing a lotof weird stuff with that.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Listen, yeah, religion in general, you can't
hide that I think the.
thing that I'm fascinated aboutis not really.
I mean, I'm fascinated by thatstuff too.
Having pieces of the birthwhere it came from, why
fascinated by that stuff too.
Having pieces of the birthwhere it came from, why it
became the way it did, how theinteresting part of how people
found it on their own to yeah,yeah, yeah.
What was it that got them goingto do what they started and
(36:05):
then continue it on?
You know what I mean?
That's interesting.
It's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, get people to live the right live, you know,
and it sucks to say it like that, but get people to live to be
good to one another.
That's a better way of puttingit, you know, for there to be
kindness, and you know this isthe writings that they had
originally.
You know what I mean.
This is how to be kind tosomebody, this is how you should
be and this is what they triedto.
(36:29):
You know, preach or practiceRight, and you know people
believe that it should be alittle bit different how we do
it, and you know that's wherethe different sets come from,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, you know, we definitely come a long way as
far as that is concerned, whenit comes to that, I mean, but
sometimes I wonder that's awhole other podcast the who
Conspiracy theories, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Who wrote the scrolls ?
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Most scholars believe they were written by or belong
to the Essenes apocalypticJewish sect that lived
communally at Qumran.
Others suggest a mix of sources, including priests, scribes and
(37:16):
zodiacites.
Zodiacites.
That's an interesting word, yeah, or two words, I should say,
but yeah.
So again, these are things I'venever heard of before.
You know, we're just used towhat we know.
And then when we find out this,oh wait a minute.
Oh wait a minute, yeah, becauseit needed to come from
somewhere else in order for itto be what it is now.
Right, yeah, you know, likeeverything else in life, yeah,
(37:39):
it matures and it takes off andit goes in its own direction,
hopefully for the best.
Yes, of course, but I find thisstuff very interesting.
I always do.
When I see it on the telly, Iwant to watch it, because I'm a
geek and I like that stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, I don't even know.
I think this is.
well, I don't know, we're goingto call History Buff a geek,
yeah why, not, I don't care,this guy, I'm just saying,
because I'm kind of a historybuff too A little bit of that
stuff.
I like all that, yeah, all tohear about them, to be able to
read them and hear what they are.
And you know, like I said again, I think they just they only
(38:15):
let out a little at a time.
So this way people don't youknow the masses, but they're
letting it out.
So that's a good part.
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You know how everybody's thinking is yeah,
it's, it just shows you.
Okay, wait a minute, we gotthis.
Yeah, Not that it was wrong,but it was made Because things
changed.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Right, it was like a telephone.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Right, Right.
It started here and then itjust went Right.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Translation just changed up.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right, I'll go with that it took a life of its own
and went in different directions.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And then this is where we're at and then like
this is where we're at, like in,so like in the bible, at the,
in the, at the end.
I forget what it is.
Yeah, actually what you know,where it says like you know what
, like the end of the times, andstuff, like so where it says
I'll see you at the end of timeor whatever, or he'll be back at
the end of time, and that'ssupposed to be like the end of
(39:08):
the world.
But the scholars now believethat that was wrong, because if
you translate it to aeon, whichaeon is a specific set of times,
so return.
So the return will be in liketwo, twenty five hundred years
or over two thousand years wow,it's a long time away.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Not for nothing, right?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I mean, I don't know why that's kind of like now
though, yeah now, yeah, nowwould be a good time, but anyway
, well, no, well, because again,but not the end of the world.
Right, they would just comeback Right In a specific set of
time.
Yeah, because I mean, thinkabout it.
You know it's 2,000 years forus.
Yeah, yeah, isn't the same as2,000 years when people go off
to, because remember that wasthat was one thing that we were
(39:50):
talking about that when you gooff planet and you're going into
space, people here grow old,right you?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
don't when you're out in space.
If you're going to travel,delete the speed of light.
You will definitely be youngerwhen you come back, right, so
now be super old, though theyalready are so I'm going to
throw it back into that ufo shit.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
that if this is, if it was like that, that when the
that 2000 years for us, 2,500years for us, isn't the same for
somebody traveling throughspace, yeah, I went there again.
Just singing Love that music, Ilove it.
Yeah, well, yeah, listen andall day Twilight Zone.
All day Twilight Zone.
You know Absolutely.
(40:27):
There was a movie that they hadthat portal and they were able
to decipher it and they walkedthrough it.
They had a TV show on it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh yeah, that's right .
My father loved that show, ohSliders.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Sliders 2.
No, no, the other one with themilitary that they went back
into.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Stargate, stargate, there you go, thank you, my
father loved that show.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
So now you look at Stargate, and what if that's how
they did transfer and jump fromplanet to planet throughout you
know, whatever solar systemsand whatnot.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Well, because that theory makes a lot of sense.
And if you go on the rabbithole, they show a picture or a
slide of different places on theplanet where they have those
circular things that may havebeen used for portals.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Just saying, so that again, like I said, I understand
that you know you know wealways said we try to stay away
from, from religion and politics.
But you know, just for this,what if that, that religion that
you know people are going bynow is wrong and that these dead
sea skulls are?
Really well, I think you knowwhat.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I think what's happened, you know, I think I
think people are getting to thepoint now where they're doing
their own thing.
They're doing their own thing,people getting to the point
where they know what they want,what they want to be and yeah,
people still go to church andeverything, but I think it's not
like it was.
I think people are starting tobelieve and they know because
there's so much information outthere, like we're talking about
right now.
And they find out.
(41:55):
Hey, well, I was told this, butnow it's really that you know,
like okay, well, that personneeds to make that decision for
themselves and hopefully theyget through it, right, but
that's what it's about.
So I think it's in this timewhere actually get people
pushing back and saying, no, Idon't need to follow that
anymore.
This is what it means like thatlike right, like for me, for the
pledge allegiance right, Ileave the god out.
(42:16):
Right, because I say theoriginal version before it was
put in.
So I do that.
But that's my but, that's forme right.
That doesn't mean it's right orit's wrong, it just means
there's something that youfollow, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
That's why I'm using that example.
Yeah, I don't mean to bring itup, but, but I'm saying that for
a reason.
I know what you mean.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Because and I hear that I get it and for me that's
important, because it meanssomething, because and the same
for that as well, right, yeah,for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, it's going to be wild when they finally are
able to, you know, release.
You know, I mean, I know 900 isa lot, but you know to just let
us hear more.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
There may be some that can't even put together.
It's so badly battered.
Yeah, that's the thing, yeahthat is so badly weathered and
everything.
They just fall apart if theyeven touch them, like I'm sure
there's scrolls that they havewhere they can't even unroll and
they're afraid to even touch it.
Like we just got to leave itand then maybe to kind of x-ray
it or view it, where they canbreak it down in pieces visually
(43:14):
and then put it on a screen andmaybe they could see it that
way.
I would imagine they have thatkind of technology now.
Right, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, that's what I love about it, because you get
in the information to find outthe true history.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
What was going on there?
Oh yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Somebody's inventing that exact thing right now.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Right now.
If we just had a time machine,though.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah right, we could just go back and get the real
one.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
We wouldn't even need that sea scroll.
We'll just hang out and seewhat history hasn't happened,
what, who, the motherfuckers?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's great.
That was a good one.
I like it, man.
That was a good topic that.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
No no definitely not.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I know I'm a geeky guy.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
I apologize, but I wish it wasn't copyrighted,
because I would love to end thisepisode, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
With something else, dewey.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Lewis and the News Back in Time.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Back in time, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Going back in time.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, I don't mind oh yeah, see, I'll be back in time
you guys are hilarious, that'strue.
So with that, appreciateeverybody for listening.
Watching Love like follow allthe other good stuff Love, peace
and hair grease.
Live long and prosper and govegan.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Holla.
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