October 22, 2025 • 45 mins
The room goes quiet when your name echoes from a hallway that should be empty. We wanted to know why some places feel charged and why certain people become targets, so we unpack a layered haunting that begins with a college runner hearing his name in the woods and escalates to typed messages, sleepless nights, and a boundary even Lorraine Warren wouldn’t cross. The story isn’t just scares; it’s a blueprint for how hauntings unfold, how interventions help or shift activity, and why the energy you bring matters.
We open with personal accounts—from a heavy trunk that moved in a Boston attic to a basement bike shop that felt safe only in sunlight—before stepping into the Erie Hall case now featured on Netflix. Along the way, we break down the difference between residual and intelligent hauntings, the Estes Method’s eerie alignments, and the ethics of not provoking what you don’t understand. We also look at high-charge locations like Eastern State Penitentiary and old asylums, where sorrow imprints on stone, and we revisit folklore touchstones like Amityville and the Bell Witch to show how myth and memory braid together.
Haunted objects, follow-home risks, and houses that seem to “call” round out the conversation. Whether you’re a believer or a skeptic, you’ll leave with practical guardrails: how to set boundaries, when to seek help, and why closing a session matters. This is a grounded, human take on the paranormal—more about empathy and method than jump scares—told with curiosity and hard-won caution from years of stories and a few too-close encounters.
If this resonated, tap follow, share it with a friend who loves a good ghost story, and leave a review with your most believable encounter—we might feature it next.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to CC and NJ Podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Or should I say NJ Guy.
NJ Guy guest.
I apologize.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:18):
It's all good.
My bad.
So they know what it I think bynow they know what we're talking
about.
Yes, of course.
We're ahead of the game.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
Tom's not here.
He's he's got stuff to take careof.
So we're we had his uh protegefilling for him.
Yeah.
So he's hanging out with usright now.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
I was gonna say that wasn't gonna be our special
guest, but all right, cool, thatworks too.
And he is a special guestbecause he's the first on the
first time on the show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He doesn't have much to say, butyou know, maybe I yeah, his eyes
seem to still work anyway.
Yeah, yeah.
That's good, bro.
Ace's both, I like it.
That's crazy.
So fucking sick.
But is it you know it's good foruh Tom and Chase because it's
(00:56):
the eyes, so animatronicsalmost.
Right, almost.
Almost almost.
Yeah, put them like this.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00):
So before we get started, real quick, I want to
just to sh say a shout out andour condolences to Ace's family,
Kiss.
Passed away yesterday '74.
Yeah.
Long time KISS fan.
I have been in my life.
He was one of the bestguitarists I ever thought that
(01:23):
was on the planet, in myopinion, anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
Yeah, definitely.
I get you.
So it's to you, Ace.
Yeah, man.
Rest in peace, brother.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
So that being said, yeah, we're doing today's
podcast on hauntings.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
Yes, the hauntings.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
So we got paperwork and everything.
Yeah.
So now, before we get into thehaunting stuff, t Tom kind of
gave us a little bit of uhsomeone to do.
Yeah.
So I wound up doing it and itwas on uh Netflix.
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Yeah.
There's a new show called uhCheerie Hall.
No, no, but what's the name ofthe show?
It's True Hauntings or Haunting.
True Hauntings or something likethat.
Yeah, really good stuff.
I didn't get a chance to watchit, so I apologize, but you
know, I know a whole bunch ofthings.
So hold on one second.
Uh oh no, no, no, he got it.
Well, listen, I will tell you, Iknow a bunch of the uh haunting
(02:14):
stuff.
Not a bunch, not everything.
I'm not saying in all of them,but there's a handful that I'm
like, I've heard that one, Iknow that one.
Right, you know, so listen, letme tell you, Linda, there's a
bunch of crazy stuff.
Linda that so there's a bunch ofcrazy things that uh hauntings.
Uh uh I've had personalexperiences.
(02:37):
We had we talked about them onthe last episode.
Yeah.
Talk about a few times, I think,in different occasions.
We've had different occasions.
Because yeah, we do this ourstuff, you know.
And if you don't believe, it'sone of those things where until
it happens to you, you know whatI'm saying, that there's a first
hand experience, that's whenyou're like, oh shit, this is
for serious.
Like, this is real.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
This is no joke.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
So it's happening.
Yes.
Because I I think I don't knowif I ever told you.
So sorry, real quickie.
No, no, no.
You're good, you're good.
My uh so my grandparents' house,they lived in Massachusetts.
Right.
Right, in Boston.
And it's a haunting, right?
Yes.
Yeah, okay, so I'm all day.
All day, yeah.
All day.
Oh yeah.
So my cousins and I, we werelittle, me, Kareem, uh, I'm
(03:20):
gonna tell you Abduce was there,and we're running around the
house like you know, we do.
Yeah, Abduce.
Right?
So we called him Deuce.
Deuce.
Deuce, D U C E.
Awesome.
So with children and I werehanging around the house, and
you know, we did, we wererunning up into the attic, and
you know, we were running intoour dad's old rooms.
It was a big house.
It was not a huge house, it wasa nice size house.
(03:42):
We are in the attic.
We're messing around in theattic, we come downstairs.
Later on, we hear a trunk thatwe were messing with moving.
Like we hear the like sliding?
Like sliding.
unknown (03:57):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
So now we're like, ah, whatever.
We weren't thinking nothing ofit.
Like, you know, we were justignoring it.
We go up there the next day inthe daylight, because you know,
we were little punks and wewasn't trying to run up into the
attic in the middle of thenight, kind of thing.
The trunk had moved.
The trunk moved, bro.
Like it wasn't where it was.
Right.
Grandparents weren't there.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
Was there any holes or anything for animals to get
in?
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
There was nothing up there that could move that
particular.
It was an old school, yeah.
No, no.
That's funny.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
This is an old school, like thatsteam trunk.
Right.
Like that big jammy.
Oh.
Yeah.
Yes.
Like, you know, the rounded top.
Even heavy, yeah, man.
Listen, so I've had a handfulof, you know, ghost story things
(04:39):
that have happened to me.
So, yeah.
So go ahead.
Tell me about the, well, tell usabout the episode you see.
You know, we I think we all havehad something.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
I remember like I I mentioned this before, but when
I was a kid, I was in anapartment building.
I used to work on my bike, myfather's shop.
I always had the door open.
I was young.
I was always fixing my bike,tightening up my wheels, do
whatever.
Right, right.
I would get this feeling likesomething was there.
Oh, dude, I hate that shit.
And I would run out into thesun.
Really?
(05:09):
Yeah.
Because it was sunny.
I was at uh and I'd just run outto the sun.
Because it was the basement.
So I would run out the laundryroom and out to the back where
there was like a ramp stairs.
Yeah.
And then I would run into thesun.
Because then when I was in thesun, I felt I felt safe.
No shit.
Yeah.
At least for that time, that'show I thought.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
I I never would have, I wouldhave never thought of that.
Like I'm telling you right now.
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
And nobody ever told me that either.
It's just something Iinstinctively did.
No shit.
Just ran it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
Dude, no lie.
I never would have thought,like, even right now sitting
here, I would have never thoughtto run like into the sun or, you
know, like that.
I I mean, I I maybe I maybe runinto the light as far as like
not going to the light.
But you know, just moving into alighted area and then kind of
like looking back or whatever.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Matter of fact, you know,sidebar, sorry.
(05:57):
I'm gonna tell you the funny.
I'm I'm having a Tom moment.
So the other night.
Shush, he's talking.
Yes, uh, yes, cut it out.
So I'm I'm in the house, I getup, and I had to do an early run
to work.
So I go, I take a shower, andall the lights are off.
Wife's alarm clock is going off,and it's this eerie, freaking
(06:18):
like ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding.
Like some crazy eerie shit.
Right.
And it just keeps it just, yeah,it keeps doing that shit.
So as I opened the bedroom door,I didn't the light was off.
I didn't fucking realize, bro,that she was out of the bed.
So all I see is from the waistup hanging over like her work
desk.
Man, can I tell you?
(06:39):
Butt cheeks clinched.
My butt cheeks was like, I'mlike, what the hell?
And she starts, she looks at me,she's like, I'm like, oh yo, you
just scared that shit out of me.
Like, yeah, man.
So, you know, it's it's thattime of year.
unknown (06:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
You know, it's that that the fear fest right now
that's happening, bro.
All that stuff that's going on.
And then, and I haven't even hada chance to really watch, like,
I'm all like I love watching theuh the Ghost Hunters and Ghost
Adventures and the GhostBrothers.
I love watching all that stuff.
And that's why, so like I said,so the TV show that we were
supposed that time for homework,I didn't have a chance to watch.
(07:15):
But I did.
But so now which one was it yousaw?
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
I saw the one that was Erie Hall about this kid who
went to college.
His dad dropped him off, went tocollege.
He was a runner.
He went from scholarship.
Uh-huh.
So, you know, he had to keepcertain grades up and things
like that.
You know, when you go there.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Scholarship yeah.
Yeah, and all that stuff.
Right.
Anyway, he started having uhproblems where he was hearing
(07:41):
his name being called.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
C bro.
SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
He when he s went there, he started running and he
would take the same path all thetime.
What I noticed is through thewoods.
See.
So and they kept showing how thewoods looked eerie and all that
stuff.
Right, right, right.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So as time goes on, he's doingthis, and what do you call it?
(08:05):
Uh uh, I'm sorry.
No good.
Name being called right in inthe woods.
When he was running in thewoods, by the way, he heard his
name.
See, no.
And he stopped him lookingaround.
I remember when I was stwatching the show.
SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
Now, did he have headphones on as such, like like
a workman or whatever?
Or he did.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Did he?
Yeah.
I believe he did.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Talk to his friend about it,right?
Window during a yoga party,typing a paper of his in his
room, hears it, his name in thehallway.
Bro.
Goes to check on it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
No, you see, you don't do that.
Sees nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (08:39):
No, people sit back to the desk and sees his name
typed on the paper.
And his name is Chris, by theway.
So Chris, you're kidding me,Chris.
So his friend finds out there'sgonna be the paranormal
investigators for that timebecause this is happening like
in the 80s.
Oh, okay.
(08:59):
All right.
So actually 1984.
3rd of September.
Okay.
Okay, I wrote that down.
Erie Hall.
Ed and Elaine Warren, thehusband and wife, and they make
all those movies, Conjure.
Oh, the Conjurer.
Yeah, yeah.
Those people are real.
Yeah.
They referenced them in there.
Of course, is the movie so theymake it more.
They were there?
They went to see him?
They were at the college.
They spoke with the college.
(09:20):
The front door.
So he went with his friend.
So it was real, real.
Huh?
Yeah, yeah.
So they were at his college, andthen he wound up sitting and
watching and listening to themtalk.
And then they were explaininghow you gotta be careful about
what doors you open.
How many people here played withOuija boards, blah, blah, blah.
No.
And then be like, listen, youreally shouldn't be playing
(09:40):
around with that stuff becauseyou do not know who you're
letting in.
Right.
So it's scary stuff.
So they're considered theoriginal Ghostbusters for that
time.
Right?
That's what they're saying.
They believe ghosts draw energyfrom living or some kind of door
that they can get through.
Okay.
You know?
Like almost like you're givingthem an invitation.
Right, yeah, yeah.
(10:01):
But you don't realize you'redoing it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
Like you like them in.
And they say the personality,your persona, also is a factor
as well, meaning he was a niceguy, he was doing his grades, he
studied, he was very vigilantabout what he did, right?
All that stuff.
They say that those kinds ofpeople that sometimes they go
after because of that.
Really?
Yeah.
So that's true.
For some reason, you know, likethey just well, not necessarily
(10:25):
go after I should change that.
That it depends on who, youknow, that's how they figure out
who's I guess it's a weakness.
They can feel something in asense.
So let me rephrase that.
Okay, I got you.
I got you.
So, you know, so certain peoplemaybe give off certain vibes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:41):
Without even knowing it.
Gotcha.
Like with the invitation part.
Yeah.
Right.
So you're giving thatinvitation, you don't even
realize you're doing it, butyou're giving this guy, you
know, crazy shit.
SPEAKER_01 (10:50):
Right, right, right, right, right.
No way.
So now who was the ghost?
Well, now who was the ghost?
So the the the couple come, thethe married couple, the
conjuring couple.
What's the name again?
I'm sorry.
Oh yeah, Ed and Elaine.
Ed and Elaine.
I don't know why I can'tremember Ed and Elaine.
So Ed and Elaine, they comethrough.
Now did they investigate?
No, no, so check it out.
SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
Hang out.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Okay, okay, okay.
You're right.
SPEAKER_00 (11:08):
I I thought the same thing too when I was watching
Okay, I'll watch the Okay.
I'm ready.
Okay.
Oh, don't rush me.
Oh my God.
Elaine.
So they went down this.
His friend said, let's go downthere and talk to them.
And to the stage, Elaine and uhand Ed.
Right, right, right, right.
When he went up to her, shewouldn't shake his hand.
See?
She was like, she pulled back.
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
He goes, I can't shake your hand.
Oh.
So she felt something.
Yeah, that's not cool, bro.
You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Especially with them.
So people that don't know, thoseare the two people that they've
done, like neutral.
They would have like they wouldlike the conjurer and the.
Abigail.
Abigail.
So now these were the I won'tsay they were the original.
And that's a real doll, by theway.
SPEAKER_00 (11:50):
But by the way, it's a Raggedy and doll.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
It's not the doll that's in the movie.
So sidebar.
So we're gonna do the sidebar.
Yeah.
It is so the TV show GhostHunters, the guy Zach, he has a
uh haunted museum in Vegas, andhe has a handful of the
different dolls that arepossessed or supposed to be
possessed over by him, locked upin his bottom or something like
(12:17):
that.
So he keeps them there becausehe was in touch with them.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
And so anyway, so but then so now again, this
couple, they've investigatedAmityville Horror House.
Oh, yeah, that was like theirnumber one thing for that.
They had gone back and whatnotbecause they were checking to
see.
Because Amityville Horror, it'sonly part true.
Like the house is haunted,right?
But the kid that did the murderswas not crazy andor possessed
(12:42):
when he did it, is what the realstory is supposed to be.
That's it's supposedly in otherwords, he was he was saying he
felt the uneasy, but he didn'tthat's not why he murdered.
He was or he wasn't possessed?
He wasn't.
Okay.
That's how I heard the storybecause I was watching another
documentary.
I watched another documentarywhen they did.
SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
But in the movies it's portrayed as if he because
that made a good story.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
So same with Abigail.
Right.
So part one of Amityville Horroris part based on a true story.
Part two is more close, it'scloser, not more uh that's
totally illiterate sounding, butit was closer to the truth of
what happened, of what the kidhad said.
But anyway, so go ahead, I'msorry.
SPEAKER_00 (13:23):
No problem, no problem.
Okay.
So she wouldn't even shake hishand.
So that night, he went, he wassleeping one night in his dorm
room, and they hear a noise.
The tape recorder kept going on.
Was his friend in the room?
Did he have a roommate?
And they both heard the noise.
Yeah, he's like, yo, the pr thethe the tape recorder kept going
on.
You see.
So then he took it, I'm like,just take the batteries out,
(13:44):
man.
Up unplug it.
Yeah, you know, right?
Just and take and open the thingand take the tape out.
No, take the tape out.
Don't leave it in.
Because what happens if he stilldoes it again?
Now you take it out, you'relike, no, fuck you, I'm taking
it out.
SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
Yeah, you know, you can't play nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Oh.
Right, right, right, right.
Have you ever seen that happen?
Yeah, no.
Oh no, I've never seen it inperson.
I've heard it happen.
Yeah, I've heard of it, butyeah, they never did it.
So go ahead.
They heard the case.
SPEAKER_00 (14:13):
So because all this stuff, everything started going
south for this kid.
You know, he wasn't running, hewas going bad in his grades, so
he had to get his act together.
So he wound up, wind up going tos visit a a priest.
You know?
Did the priest shake his hand?
Did the priest shake his hand?
SPEAKER_01 (14:30):
He said Abigail didn't.
Not Abigail, you hear me?
Elaine didn't, so did the priestshake his hand.
If she didn't shake his hand, Iwanna know if the priest shook
his hand.
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
The priest, as that as a matterof fact, I apologize.
I was looking at the notes atthe same time.
The priest at first thought hehe gave him his book.
Like he was keeping notes andstuff.
So he brought his journal orwhatever you want to call it.
Oh, he gave it to the priest.
He put it on the table to showthe priest could be in the
priest thought he was being anass.
Right.
Was this funny?
Did you come here to be da dada?
Like he was getting really likeoffended.
Right.
(15:00):
You come to my head.
He started crying.
The kids started crying.
Of course he's in college.
I mean, you know.
But he's like, I need help.
Yeah, something's going on.
So the priest winds up going andhelping him, you know, talks to
him and then winds up going tohis dorm room and helping him
out.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
No shit.
SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
I'm surprised that the couple didn't.
Elaine and what's his namedidn't go and and check it out.
Because if she had a funkyfeeling about him and she was
getting bad vibes, that how comeshe didn't go and investigate?
Right.
Ooh.
You know what?
We need to have her on.
I wish they could.
Elaine.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
No, they she didn't even the way they left it was is
that she didn't want anything todo with it.
Like she's like, yeah, no, Ican't.
Wow.
Like she was like, whatever itis.
Which is funny because you wouldthink she would.
But she felt something that wasso whatever it was, she was
like, I don't want nothing to dowith that.
I don't even want to open thatdoor.
Wow.
(15:57):
That's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
Dude, that's serious.
Because that's what they did,bro.
Like, they would actually go andtry to help people.
You know what I'm saying?
And wow.
That's like that must have beena super sinister feeling, vibe
that she was getting off of thiskid.
And or whatever it was that shemay have seen over his shoulder.
Like that's bananas.
(16:20):
Jesus Christmas.
You know what, bro?
Right.
I'm good with that.
SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
Yeah, it's the show was good.
I'm trying to just look at somestuff here.
So the priest goes to the room,does a prayer for the sick.
It seemed to help for a while.
He was sleeping better, he wasrunning, he was doing things he
wasn't before.
Right.
You know.
But other people started gettingexperiences now.
(16:45):
In the dorms?
Yeah.
See?
Yeah.
One guy left because of theexperience he had.
No.
Because they shared one nightthey they hung out in a room
together.
You know, they're like, justcome sleep with us, whatever.
And then well, he was there, andthe experience happened, and he
saw this figure, and he waslike, I'm out.
(17:05):
Yeah, you see.
I went home.
He then went home.
Yeah.
He went home.
So it was bouncing from personto person.
Right.
Well, now s either somehow heopened something where when the
priest went in there, the priestkind of maybe protected him in a
sense where he was like, Allright, well then I'll just go
after everybody.
Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Well, I mean, that's the thing that they say that
kind of sort of.
SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
You gotta be careful who you let in.
You gotta be careful, bro.
That's why I always say whenthey do those when they do those
investigations, when I see likesometimes Zach does it and it
drives me crazy.
I'm like, don't do that, man.
Don't Don't antagonize.
Don't antagonize.
Yeah.
Try to get the information.
And I know a lot of it showed.
Yep.
So I'm not, you know.
But for for protections foryourself and other people around
(17:48):
you, you know, get theinformation some other way.
I'm not saying being submit toanything.
Right.
But just do it in a way whereyou don't Yeah, see.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
I mean, if you're in you know,and I'm not telling them how to
do his shit, but I know that'show I would approach it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
But you're right, though.
You know, I mean, I believe thatthey do get, they have
experiences.
I do believe that they have, youknow, things that happen and
they see or whatever.
But there's no need to to me,there's no need to to to to
instigate a fight.
You know what I'm saying?
Or a possession or even if it'sbad or good, you want to listen.
What do I need to help you?
Exactly.
(18:23):
What can I do to help you?
We need to decide this keepgoing on.
Right.
That's why ghost hunters iscool.
Right.
Because they're like, what canwe do to help you?
Like, talk to us, let us know.
You know, what's the one with umJack Osborne?
I forgot the name of that one.
Jeez mini crickets.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Oh, you're talking about the young kids with the
brother and sister?
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
Jack Osborne.
I haven't seen the Oh, thebullet said that's the other
one.
Yeah.
They drive in the RV and they goto different ones.
That one's kids are nuts.
Dude, they are.
They're fucking crazy.
These guys, if you haven't seenthis one, these guys, they go
in, they they're traveling in anRV, and one of them will pick a
different place to go andinvestigate.
They've gone to jails, they'vegone to insane asylums, they've
gone to houses, they've gone toabandoned houses, and they
(19:00):
actually spend the nightseparate throughout the you
know, in whatever place thatwhatever building that they're
in.
Man, listen, I I wouldn't.
There are things that I mean, Iget it.
Listen, they always say thatthey do things to make it look,
you know, more exciting becauseyou're sitting there and you're
watching the TV show.
Right.
But there's nothing.
(19:21):
So we've all heard our namebeing called.
We've all heard something beingmoved in another room.
Like, don't open the door.
Like when they say, when youhear somebody knocking at the
door, I always ask who it is.
Say, who is it?
Don't turn around and go andopen the fucking door.
Because you're letting whateverit is that's calling your name
on the outside in.
(19:41):
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
Yeah, no, dude, I can't.
I don't, I don't, I don't, Ican't.
I I can't.
Only because, like I said, of mypersonal experiences, I'm not
trying to do that kind of shit.
You're you're crazy.
There's no way on God's greenearth that I'm gonna, I'm gonna
do that shit, man.
No way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:59):
But this part guy he went through, like, so I'll give
you some more stuff.
He was having before he startedfeeling better, he was having
bad dreams.
You know, he said he wasn'tasleep, he was sleeping where it
wasn't in his room.
So like he was sleep in the recroom or the s the the snack area
or whatever it was, he wouldjust crash on the couch or
whatever it was.
He didn't have a roommate?
(20:19):
He he did.
No, his roommate left.
Oh.
So now it was just him.
So when he was just him, so nowhe was trying to just break,
like, if I'm not there, maybeI'll be okay out here, kind of
attitude.
So Yeah, and attempted tocommunicate.
And then then he tried tocommunicate.
He wasn't about happy about it.
Right.
(20:39):
But his friend who happened tobe a photographer said, maybe if
we communicate, figure it out,and you know, see what's
happening, right, you know, wecould figure out, you know,
like, but the way they wentabout it was kind of weird.
I I wasn't crazy about the waythey did it.
SPEAKER_01 (20:52):
Well, you said this is the 80s.
SPEAKER_00 (20:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:54):
So it wasn't like they knew enough and wasn't.
They were going whatever theythought would be right.
Yeah.
Right, right, right, right,right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
I probably would have referenced Lane and the
other guy a little bit morebefore I attempted to do
anything.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Yes, yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
Because you know their stuff is out there, you
could get it in the library orprobably something.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
Because I mean, even too, with the recordings, you
know, uh photography and stuff.
Right.
And 80s computers were startingto come out then.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:17):
Yeah.
So if you had one or you wereworking on what you can get
information a little bit better,yeah, quicker.
SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
That was how we got it at the time.
Right.
I mean, until then, we sawPoltergeist and shit, so you
know, you know that they had setup cameras around the house and
stuff like that.
You know what I mean?
Right.
But yeah, no, no, go ahead, goahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (21:32):
So anyway, they took pictures and stuff, they wound
up finding something in thepicture that just seemed off in
one of the pictures.
And he told his friend, he said,listen, he told his friend Jeff,
let's don't say anything toanybody.
He was really like uptight aboutit, was fucking with him
emotional.
Right, right.
You know, about what otherpeople were thinking.
Well, he wound up doing theopposite and and did share it
(21:54):
with the people.
And he wound he caught him doingit.
And then, you know, everybodystarted calling him Ghost Boy
and busting his balls, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
And uh, you know, but at some point he came back
and he uh apologized to him.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, said, Hey, youknow, I was just trying to help
you out.
Right, right.
You know, I didn't mean to dothat.
You know, I was, you know, andthen he made him write.
He said, Do you want me to writeit down?
And he actually wrote it down.
Yeah.
He had him write it down or signsomething.
Right.
So he uh what do you call it?
Jeff didn't keep uh well hedidn't keep his word.
(22:23):
Having uh his bedroom seemedvery real, saw figures in the
woods where he was running.
So he would see it in thebedroom, he would feel it.
If he went out, now he wasseeing it, like one time he
stopped.
He had this thing that he didwhen he counted.
Right.
And he would if he can get tohigher number, he was I think he
(22:44):
would think he was things weregetting better.
Right.
But when he got to four on thisone scene, he this thing was
standing right there and he sawit and he just jetted.
Yeah.
He took off.
SPEAKER_01 (22:56):
Why he was in the woods or in the woods.
See, but now again, this is thatshit.
What are you doing in thefreaking woods, man?
Listen, I get tell people allthe time I laugh about it.
I'm born and raised in Brooklyn.
I can basically walk through anyhood, money hanging out of my
pocket, and I feel safe.
You put me in the woods, I'mlike, no, no, I'm listening, I
(23:18):
don't do the woods, bro.
I have friends that laugh at me.
SPEAKER_00 (23:20):
Yeah, you gotta get you gotta be on another level.
Yeah, you gotta be smart aboutit when you're out there.
You gotta think on your feet andmake sure you you protect
yourself.
Yeah, nah.
Because you're in, you're out ofyour, you know, you're out of
your freaking um comfort zone,man.
SPEAKER_01 (23:32):
And if you don't know how to address a spirit or
ghost, whatever you want to callit, you know, it kind of messes
you up because you never knowwhat you could be doing that is
attracting it or having itfollow you home, come with you
home, you know.
It'll get in the car and ridewith you.
Have anybody ever seen that showGhosts this thing?
You know, one of those things.
But yeah, man, nah, I I I don'tget it.
(23:55):
So then what happened to thekid?
So did so he lost his roommate.
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Right, so one roommate left, his other friend
was helping him, they fixed thatup, and then you know, once he
got the priest involved, thatseemed to help the best.
But what was happening was afterthat, he would be he would be in
the room or something wouldcome, they were in his room
once.
Uh-huh.
They were all hanging.
This is why the kid left.
So let me tell you a story whyhe left.
(24:20):
I'm sorry, I apologize.
So anyway, they were allsleeping one night in the same
room.
Right.
And this is after he saw thepriest and all this other shit.
His friend wound up seeing thisthing.
And that's why he left.
And once he saw that he wasgone, he was out.
I like you said earlier.
I apologize.
But then other people saw ithappen to other people.
Happened to one of the girlsthey were hanging out with.
(24:43):
She went into her room, theyshow the door being shut.
Of course they had the toy.
Right, right.
Right, right, right.
Close or shut, right?
And then she looks in themirror, and then this thing is
like behind her or whatever.
And then she's like, Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
And then they find her on thefloor, unconscious, like like
all out of whack.
Creepy shit, man.
Yeah, you think?
(25:04):
Like, you know.
No.
So they get her, she wakes up,and when they get her up, they
finally get her up.
Because they thought she wasdead at first.
Right.
She's like, he kept saying yourname.
He kept saying your name.
So once I got done with the thetwo episodes, that's all I got
to.
There's another one coming upwhere it's winter break, and
they wind up it's just Oh, it'sthe same episode.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
I thought it was different stories.
No, it's the same one.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
It's just continuation.
Dude.
So, you know, once we I'll getto the next one, even regardless
if it's Halloween or not.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
We're gonna have to bring it up.
Yeah, shit.
I'm not gonna be home thisweekend and talk about it.
But yeah, I'm gonna I wanna seethat.
I'm gonna I gotta I gotta watchit now.
Yeah, it was good.
I have to watch it.
The stories were good.
But we have some other stuffhere too.
Yeah.
Well, you got here that you havethe the well, you had the
Amityville horror.
We started talking about it.
We just talked about thatbefore, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, 1974, bro.
So think about it.
(25:58):
How old were we?
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
We I was I was three.
I was well, six seventy-six, Iwould have been ten.
SPEAKER_01 (26:06):
Right.
Right?
So eight.
You were eight when thishappened, and I was six when
this happened.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, 74.
I mean, you hear me, I was six.
I'm a crackhead.
I was freaking.
I was born in 72, I was twoyears old.
I was 71, I'm sorry, I was threeyears old.
Holy shit.
Maybe we shouldn't drink beforethis show starts.
Uh no, but so but I don'tremember the story.
Like, I didn't see it, ofcourse, live.
(26:26):
I wouldn't remember watching iton TV or whatever.
Amityville Horror.
Oh, yeah, I've seen it in themurder and all that.
Right, right.
But I'm saying, like, I neversaw the I never saw the original
news thing or whatever.
Because don't forget the news,like I said, it was a real
murder.
There was something that reallyhappened and whatnot.
So, you know, it they just madeit into that it was a ghost
story.
But yeah, Amityville Horror, youthink about, I mean, I'm not
(26:49):
saying that the house wasn'tpossessed or whatever the case
may be, or I mean, I'm sorry,haunted, and that the kid didn't
get possessed.
I don't even know.
They're saying that, you know,like I said, a documentary thing
that I had seen a bunch of yearsago was that the house was
haunted, but that's not what hegot into a fight with his
parents and ended up, you know,killing the whole family.
It's just he just went on arampage.
Yeah, he just went on a rampagebecause he was pissed, is what
you know I had heard, and youknow, that's when they were
(27:11):
going to accused that and thenadded things that have made it
into whatever, you know what I'msaying?
Gotcha.
Um But this one, Eastern StatePenitentiary.
So once the most feared prisonin America, its cold cells were
designed for total isolation.
Guards and visitors reportseeing shadowy figures, hearing
footsteps, and distant screams.
One famous story tells of alocksmith who, while working in
(27:33):
a cell, suddenly becameparalyzed with fear, claiming he
saw faces of tortured prisonersspurring around him in the
walls.
So now we were just talkingabout those kids that go to the
to the to the different placesthat you were just talking
about, that they go into RV andthey travel.
I believe they were here at theEastern State Penitentiary.
I know they went to a couple ofjails.
(27:53):
Right.
And they they heard stuff.
Like they heard cell doorsclosing.
They had to be a good thing.
Oh, yeah, when they do the whenthey do the ghost thing, they go
to all kinds of things.
They go to old mentalinstitutions for the time, you
know.
So and then now here's thecrazy.
With the menstrual mentalinstitutions, institutions, holy
shit, go political, sorry.
(28:14):
With the mental institutions,right, they say that because of
what it was way back in the dayof how they deal with the people
that were mentally ill, right?
It was more of a torture becausethey didn't treat them the way
they would do right now.
So they were pretty much likebeat you, scare you.
They would let you just lay yourown treatment and all these
(28:34):
other things, because that'swhat was gonna get.
It was bad.
It wasn't good.
So then now you have people thatdied while going through all of
these.
Right.
So yeah, that all that is hardat in there.
Right.
Again, this is if you believe inall of this stuff, you know, and
it's it's funky stuff that'sthat's happening, and you know,
(28:55):
well, it's it's bad feelings,bad aura that's still stuck in
those buildings, right?
You know, in the walls.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
So now they say it leaves a like it imprints itself
onto where it is.
And then there's always a resida residual.
Right, right.
That's it, residual haunting.
Right.
And it and you just it's comingback sometimes.
So it'll repeat over and overagain.
SPEAKER_01 (29:16):
So that's the residual haunting.
And intelligent haunting is whenit's that that poltergeist or
something like that.
But it actually speaks back toyou.
So when you ask questions, it'sgiving you the answer.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
I like when you use the hand monitor.
SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
Yeah.
And it says some crazy shit.
Yeah.
So that's the stuff that uhElaine and what's and her and
Ed, that's the kind of stuffthat they were using way back in
the day.
Now we might primitive becausethey only had certain cameras
and certain things.
Certain recorders and stuff likethat, and they were getting they
were still getting recordings.
Oh, they're still gettingcatching something, yeah.
(29:49):
On the regular, you know, on theold school, you know, cassette.
They would have loved to havewhat we have now.
Dude, if they had what they hadnow, forget about it.
They would have been able toprobably solve a lot more, or
not solve, but you know, fix alot more stuff.
Yeah.
And so that then, you know, theEaster the all the
penitentiaries, all the jails.
You have the prisons that wouldbe in, you know, ones that were
(30:09):
confinement.
Solitary confinement that theybugged out, you know, ones that
killed themselves.
And they would be in there forlike forever, man.
Yeah.
Like it wasn't, I mean, not thatjail is any better now, you know
what I'm saying?
But it is better than what itwas back then, I guess is the
really it's not that it's greatto be in jail.
You would hope so, right.
Right.
But that it's still a placewhere there's sorrow, there's
miserable.
(30:30):
It's not a very healthy uhenvironment at all.
You know, overpopulation.
So then now when you turn aroundand you look at what it was back
in the day before they, youknow, quote unquote, you know,
made it the living conditionsbetter, these are people that
were upset.
You know, these are people thatwere mad.
They died there.
I don't want to die here.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
(30:50):
Yeah.
They were they had no power atall.
They were being exactly.
So now their ghosts are there.
And you hear about that stuff,like I said, all over the place.
You know, when you hear aboutpeople that are that they go to
certain jails or even to housesand, you know, somebody died a
brutal death.
You know what I'm saying?
Or they just didn't know that itwas their time to grow.
Right.
(31:10):
You know, and here they are,that they just they're still in
that space.
They're still there.
They can't go anywhere.
They don't even know how toleave where they are.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Right.
But if you can help themsomehow, if they want it.
Right.
Maybe they don't want it.
Maybe they want to be there andthey don't want you there.
Listen.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, yeah, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
That's probably the key.
That's probably the key rightthere, bro.
I will give you that 150 millionpercent.
Because if it's something thatthey're now they're used to, now
they're comfortable, now theydon't, they don't trust you.
Right.
Whatever the case may be,they're gonna stay there.
They're gonna be there.
And listen.
How are you gonna know thatthey're not there?
I mean, I guess you could.
Oh, but uh yeah.
(31:51):
But it's like anything else.
Uh think about it.
You know, and almost anywhereyou go, somebody has probably
died in that space on thatproperty.
Maybe not so much like underyour house, but they could have
died a hundred yards from yourhouse.
So boom, you know what?
I'll give you this one.
They had ghost hunters, Ibelieve it was, was at where the
(32:11):
Manson murders with Sharon Tateand whatnot.
Right.
That house isn't whatnot, thatspace isn't there.
So supposedly the spirits wereat the houses in the neighbors
of the neighbors' houses.
Okay.
So that then when the ghosthunters went over there and they
were doing their investigationsbecause people were reporting
about, yo, I hear this in thehouse, I hear that, they are not
in that same space.
(32:33):
But to try to get across to theliving, they went to the other
houses on that same hundredyards.
All right.
You know what I'm saying?
So that then my point is that ifyou almost anywhere that you go,
there will probably be, if youwant to put it like that, you
know Someone's passed away.
Somebody's passed away.
SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
Accident happened.
SPEAKER_01 (32:54):
Right.
Shit happened.
Fatality.
Yeah, you never know.
You know what I mean?
I can't tell you how many timesdriving and you know, you hear
stories like we were talkinglast episode.
People driving roads wherethey're pushing kids, you know,
I mean where kids are pushingthe cars out of the way because
a school bus got hit by a train,you know, just all these
different things that weassociate with, you know,
(33:16):
paranormal activity.
Right.
You know, how much of it istrue, how much of it isn't.
SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
I think a lot of it, I I think when they don't
listen, there is stuff like whenyou watch the like the real deal
kind of, you know, when you seethe people, whatever, you know,
they have the music and allthat.
Right, right.
But I think you kind of knowwhich one you can say, okay,
this is fun to watch, yeah,imagine, you know.
But then there are some that youwatch and you're like, whoa,
that's yeah, that's shit off thehook.
(33:44):
Yeah, it's out there.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
Now they also say that your energy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
Well, listen to uh our friends had you called Full
Moon Paranormal, right?
They they they invited us, bythe way, if we wanted to go to
any of their things.
All again this year?
Yeah, they have a bunch of them.
Yeah they have a a you know,schedule, so but they do this
stuff all the time.
Yeah, they put it on, you know,they have it on On their page,
their social media.
Yeah, everything, yeah.
So they they they do a great jobof it.
(34:08):
I see a lot of their stuff.
So imagine them.
I mean, I'm sure they have a lotof they've been to a lot of
places.
SPEAKER_01 (34:12):
We gotta have them on, man.
Right.
We gotta have them on.
But I mean it it but we need togo there.
Well, that too, yeah.
You know, you can go there andlet me know how it is.
I'll talk to you on the phone.
We'll go there.
But it's just but e even withthat, these are people who now
they do all the things to nothave whatever spirits follow
them home.
You know what I'm saying?
It stays wherever it is.
(34:33):
But even with them, sometimesthey follow you, like you said.
Right.
That's if a spirit follows you,bro, you don't even know.
You need your serious help.
Yeah.
And even buying trinkets, youknow what I'm saying?
They say.
So now here's the thing.
Oh, right.
Right, they say because itleaves a something like people
go to the yard sales and stufflike that.
Buy something, bring it to thehouse.
You bring it to the house, yougo to the You start getting
crazy.
(34:53):
Yeah, things start acting up,you know.
Right.
I mean, now listen, uh out of ast a hundred episod a hundred
stories that you hear about thatkind of stuff, there might be
maybe two.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not that this is somethingthat, like, oh my god, it's
happening every time.
You should have given himsomething.
You put it in his hand.
Oh, you can't grab it, hedoesn't have a dumb.
But, you know, it's just one ofthose things, man.
I tell you what, I just can't Idon't I wouldn't do it.
(35:15):
You could do it.
You will.
I'm I I won't.
SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
Like I said, I didn't have a really when I went
the first time, I was, you know,there were some things that
happened, but it wasn'tsomething that like, you know,
like I got spooked or anythinglike that.
It was interesting because I wasI felt like all my senses were
like like homed in on, okay,what's going on?
Yeah.
Taking my time, being, you know,very peaceful, not being
(35:40):
destructive or bull in the chinashop kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know.
So because you never know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
Well, that's the other thing too.
Again, it depends on how you'regoing in the the vibe that
you're giving, that whateverspirits, said spirits, will come
to you, right, speak to you, youknow, or or talking to, like,
just answer you.
Because we would think you and Iwere talking a couple of days
ago that you put the that theyhave that thing now where they
(36:06):
put the blindfold on you, putthe headphones on.
Right.
Yeah.
And that people from in anotherroom will be asking questions,
or another part of the buildingwill be asking questions, and
that that person that's sittingthere um with just the
headphones on will hear theanswers.
You know, I mean, yeah, youknow, you gotta somebody else
has to be there so they canwrite down with the words,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:24):
I've seen that.
Yeah.
There's a couple shows that doit where, you know, she'll have
the headphones on and he'll bein another room, or vice versa.
Right.
He'll say, ask it a crazyquestion, and then she'll go,
Bob.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
Meanwhile, he's asking, sowhat's your name?
And then she's yelling out, Bob.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
It's like he doesn't know it until he talks to her
later.
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
But right.
So then he doesn't even yeah,listen.
SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
Right?
She's like, oh, well, this iswhat I wrote down.
Oh my god, this is what he askedme.
Yeah, no, bro.
I'm telling you, man.
Listen, yeah.
Listen, I think, I think you candefinitely tap into something.
Of course, you know, like again,with TV and everything and
Hollywood and whatever.
And, you know, there are somelegit you see some that are
like, I don't know, man.
Yeah, that doesn't sound toospiffy.
Yeah, that's that's off.
(37:06):
You know, like what you getcreeped out about it, you know.
I think the whole thing with thevibe, like you were saying, you
feel something and you know.
You're like, yeah, that doesn'tlike it.
Do you ever get that?
Like I was asking Tanya aboutthis.
If you drive by a house, andthat's not to be broken down or
to look you know, like shot oranything like that, but walk
(37:28):
drive by a house and go.
Yeah, no.
So like you get a feeling abouta house.
SPEAKER_01 (37:33):
Why do you say that?
I drive, I guess I do thatsometimes I do it at two o'clock
in the morning run.
And I go up into Bedford,Brewster, New York, go in that
direction, and there is abuilding that when I drive past
it, right, dude, I can't tellyou why, what it is, or
whatever.
It's for sale now.
(37:54):
Or for leave for sale.
You like it?
Or you don't like it.
It's just like I go by it, it'slike, it's like, it's almost
like it's calling my name.
Like it's almost like payattention to me.
Wow.
I don't want to say saying myname.
It's not like it's not yelling,Kenny.
It's interesting, but you can'thelp to see it.
But you stop like I don't Idon't stop.
Um because it's on, it's right,it's literally off the the the
(38:17):
on ramp.
Okay.
So it's not like I could turnaround and like come up on it
and whatever.
And it's freaking three o'clock,four o'clock in the morning,
like as I'm as I'm driving pastit.
Got it.
So I start my drive at twoo'clock in the morning.
I'm passing it around four,between four fifteen and four
thirty.
All right.
I'd be passing this in themorning.
And I look at it because it'salways like, pay attention.
(38:38):
Like, look at me.
Like I feel that almost thatoomph.
SPEAKER_00 (38:41):
You should just try to drive by without out looking
at it.
SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Oh, I've done it.
I have, you know what I'msaying?
But it's still every once in awhile that I just like look to
see where it is.
It's almost like I'm trying toset my bearings, where I am,
where I'm driving, and you know,how far on my route that I am,
you know?
Right.
Um that where I am on my route.
I should say, I'm sorry.
You know, that's okay.
And it's just, yeah, dude, it'sit's all I get it.
And it's funny because there wasa ghost adventures where this
(39:04):
lady said that she had beendriving back and forth and she
was looking for a new house.
And she was driving back andforth, back and forth, back and
forth, and that this house keptcalling her, this particular
house kept calling her name.
Kept calling her name, keptcalling her name.
So she turned around and endedup moving, like buying the
freaking house, bro.
Why would you do that?
Because she thought that shetook it as it was more like, oh
(39:26):
my God, that's my dream house,blah, blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile, it was that it wasthe, you know, according to what
the show was on, it was suckingyou in.
Right.
So now she's in there and she'shaving all types of her marriage
ended up breaking up becausethey would see a figure at the
foot of the bed.
The husband was like, I'm gonnasay, you know, for lack of a
better word, like gettingpossessed.
You know, he was getting likethese bad feelings, and he would
(39:48):
start arguing with the wife andthe kid.
Oh, okay.
You know, so she ends up stayingthere when he moves out.
Now she's calm.
You know, now she's calmer, thekids are chilling.
I'm like, man, listen, I'd havegot rid, I wouldn't, man.
But again, I guess it I thinkit's your pr your personality.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (40:04):
I think it's the already to give off.
You know, they know we're not tomess with you.
SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
Well, it's what you are and or aren't going to do.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I said, I got a shitload ofstories about ghost systems.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
Before we end this, the Whaley House, San Diego,
California, once called the mosthaunted house in America.
The Whaley House was built overformer gallows site.
You see, visitor staff reportssmell of cigar smoke, cold
spots, and ghostly laughter of achild people claim to see.
You see, what the fuck?
(40:34):
Thomas Whaley himself appearingblack frock coat, still tending
in his home, a house thathistory never quite let go.
You see what I'm saying, bro?
Those are the things, man.
Yeah.
No, before we end, I want to getthese all out, man.
So Bell Witch, Tennessee, 1800s.
Yup.
The Bell family was tormentedfor years for an unseen force
(40:57):
that spoke, sang hymns, andphysically assaulted them.
The entity claimed to be a womannamed Kata Bates.
Kate.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it wasan A, my bad.
Kate Bat Bates or Bats, I shouldsay, seeking revenge.
She allegedly killed John BellSr., making the most I'm sorry,
making it the only case inAmerica of folklore where Spirit
(41:20):
was said to have caused aperson's death.
Some say her whispers can stillbe heard in the woods today.
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
Now here's the thing.
Is it would it would it, couldit be that it wasn't that the
spirit didn't kill it, didn'tkill him.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
Like it was just him that hedrove himself baddie.
That he just like got crazybecause he thought he heard it
or whatever, and you know,killed himself.
I'm just saying, bro.
(41:48):
You're talking about way back inthe day.
Yeah, exactly.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you don't get your teethfixed and you know, he didn't
have a lot of security backthen, bro.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Well, I'm just so something wanted to harass you
back then, and if it was worsethan it is now, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_01 (42:00):
And and mental illness.
Mental illness.
SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
You know, you don't, you know, we gotta take consider
gotta consider your diet.
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (42:07):
Do you have any exercise?
Well, so we know now, if youdon't get your teeth fixed,
abscess, go to your brain andkill you.
Oh, I'll go to your heart andkill you.
Go to your heart and kill you.
So now because you can getwhat's it called?
I forgot.
Not sepsis.
Yes.
Sepsis?
Yes.
Okay.
So boom.
So you get that.
Now, the things that couldhappen in whatever happens, how
(42:31):
you know, bad things, you know,people get sick and whatnot, if
that's what made him fuckingcrazy, and he just ran into the
fucking wall until he was dead.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's just all those littlethings.
I'm talking, and that's me justplaying devil's advocate.
Devil's advocate, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, on some of this shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right, dude, it'sserious.
So, you know, I don't know.
I think just for me, you know, Ibelieve that there are spirits.
(42:55):
Yeah, I believe there's some.
I believe because of my ownexperiences.
People who, like I said again,don't have it, never did have
these experiences.
I've had it with my cool beings,I get it.
Right.
But Bella.
So that then now can't open byitself, bro.
I'm I'm just saying, dude.
I'm just saying.
There are things there arethings, I get I got a shitload
(43:16):
of stories.
My grandparents' house inBoston, bro.
I'm telling you, I got threeother fucking stories.
Just leave it, yeah.
Because it's serious.
And you know, it and you alwaysfeel that person.
I'm sorry.
You always feel that thingbehind you.
SPEAKER_00 (43:28):
Whatever presence it has to be.
SPEAKER_01 (43:29):
Whatever presence, yep, your hair stands up on end.
Something's not right.
You get that cold chill.
Bro, today I was in the machine.
I'm working on the machine, andthe AC inside the machine wasn't
on.
It has its own air conditioningthing.
It wasn't on.
How is it that I felt a coldbreath behind me?
Whoa.
That's serious.
Now, there was there's also athing about this gentleman that
(43:51):
used to work for the company, hepassed away.
Okay.
Every once in a while, we'llsmell cigarettes.
He was a smoker.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (43:58):
That happened when Nyareen passed away.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
You told me that.
I came home to the map and Ismelled cigarettes.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like somebody was smoking in myliving room.
Yeah.
She's like, Now I knowcigarettes.
Let me tell you, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I know.
I smoke them motherfuckers.
So she's like, hey, no.
SPEAKER_00 (44:13):
Tony's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
I'm like, it's crazy.
Yeah, dude, because nobody inthis house fucking smokes.
That's right.
Nobody.
And I will bust your ass if youeven try to light up a map.
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
So that then is and it's notlike you have people over that
smoke.
No.
And if you do, you're onoutside.
I don't care.
No, no, no.
But it's like not even on theirclothes.
On their clothes, like there'sno residual in here.
There's nothing.
Yeah.
(44:34):
No.
I'm just saying, bro.
I know.
I'm just saying.
Well, that's being said, myfriend.
So thank you all for joining us.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
Love, peace, and hair grease.
Live long and prosper.
And we'll do a Tom, the oldschool Tom.
Go weird.
Oh, be weird.
That's the new one.
That's why I say old school.
I'm going to say go vegan.
All right.
Yeah, old school.
Let's go vegan.
(44:54):
Thank y'all for watching.
Have a good one.
Hello and welcome to CC and NJ Podcast.
SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
Hello.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Or should I say NJ Guy.
NJ Guy guest.
I apologize.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (00:18):
It's all good.
My bad.
So they know what it I think bynow they know what we're talking
about.
Yes, of course.
We're ahead of the game.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
Tom's not here.
He's he's got stuff to take careof.
So we're we had his uh protegefilling for him.
Yeah.
So he's hanging out with usright now.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
I was gonna say that wasn't gonna be our special
guest, but all right, cool, thatworks too.
And he is a special guestbecause he's the first on the
first time on the show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He doesn't have much to say, butyou know, maybe I yeah, his eyes
seem to still work anyway.
Yeah, yeah.
That's good, bro.
Ace's both, I like it.
That's crazy.
So fucking sick.
But is it you know it's good foruh Tom and Chase because it's
(00:56):
the eyes, so animatronicsalmost.
Right, almost.
Almost almost.
Yeah, put them like this.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00):
So before we get started, real quick, I want to
just to sh say a shout out andour condolences to Ace's family,
Kiss.
Passed away yesterday '74.
Yeah.
Long time KISS fan.
I have been in my life.
He was one of the bestguitarists I ever thought that
(01:23):
was on the planet, in myopinion, anyway.
SPEAKER_01 (01:25):
Yeah, definitely.
I get you.
So it's to you, Ace.
Yeah, man.
Rest in peace, brother.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
So that being said, yeah, we're doing today's
podcast on hauntings.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (01:40):
Yes, the hauntings.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
So we got paperwork and everything.
Yeah.
So now, before we get into thehaunting stuff, t Tom kind of
gave us a little bit of uhsomeone to do.
Yeah.
So I wound up doing it and itwas on uh Netflix.
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
Yeah.
There's a new show called uhCheerie Hall.
No, no, but what's the name ofthe show?
It's True Hauntings or Haunting.
True Hauntings or something likethat.
Yeah, really good stuff.
I didn't get a chance to watchit, so I apologize, but you
know, I know a whole bunch ofthings.
So hold on one second.
Uh oh no, no, no, he got it.
Well, listen, I will tell you, Iknow a bunch of the uh haunting
(02:14):
stuff.
Not a bunch, not everything.
I'm not saying in all of them,but there's a handful that I'm
like, I've heard that one, Iknow that one.
Right, you know, so listen, letme tell you, Linda, there's a
bunch of crazy stuff.
Linda that so there's a bunch ofcrazy things that uh hauntings.
Uh uh I've had personalexperiences.
(02:37):
We had we talked about them onthe last episode.
Yeah.
Talk about a few times, I think,in different occasions.
We've had different occasions.
Because yeah, we do this ourstuff, you know.
And if you don't believe, it'sone of those things where until
it happens to you, you know whatI'm saying, that there's a first
hand experience, that's whenyou're like, oh shit, this is
for serious.
Like, this is real.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
This is no joke.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
So it's happening.
Yes.
Because I I think I don't knowif I ever told you.
So sorry, real quickie.
No, no, no.
You're good, you're good.
My uh so my grandparents' house,they lived in Massachusetts.
Right.
Right, in Boston.
And it's a haunting, right?
Yes.
Yeah, okay, so I'm all day.
All day, yeah.
All day.
Oh yeah.
So my cousins and I, we werelittle, me, Kareem, uh, I'm
(03:20):
gonna tell you Abduce was there,and we're running around the
house like you know, we do.
Yeah, Abduce.
Right?
So we called him Deuce.
Deuce.
Deuce, D U C E.
Awesome.
So with children and I werehanging around the house, and
you know, we did, we wererunning up into the attic, and
you know, we were running intoour dad's old rooms.
It was a big house.
It was not a huge house, it wasa nice size house.
(03:42):
We are in the attic.
We're messing around in theattic, we come downstairs.
Later on, we hear a trunk thatwe were messing with moving.
Like we hear the like sliding?
Like sliding.
unknown (03:57):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
So now we're like, ah, whatever.
We weren't thinking nothing ofit.
Like, you know, we were justignoring it.
We go up there the next day inthe daylight, because you know,
we were little punks and wewasn't trying to run up into the
attic in the middle of thenight, kind of thing.
The trunk had moved.
The trunk moved, bro.
Like it wasn't where it was.
Right.
Grandparents weren't there.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
Was there any holes or anything for animals to get
in?
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
There was nothing up there that could move that
particular.
It was an old school, yeah.
No, no.
That's funny.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
This is an old school, like thatsteam trunk.
Right.
Like that big jammy.
Oh.
Yeah.
Yes.
Like, you know, the rounded top.
Even heavy, yeah, man.
Listen, so I've had a handfulof, you know, ghost story things
(04:39):
that have happened to me.
So, yeah.
So go ahead.
Tell me about the, well, tell usabout the episode you see.
You know, we I think we all havehad something.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
I remember like I I mentioned this before, but when
I was a kid, I was in anapartment building.
I used to work on my bike, myfather's shop.
I always had the door open.
I was young.
I was always fixing my bike,tightening up my wheels, do
whatever.
Right, right.
I would get this feeling likesomething was there.
Oh, dude, I hate that shit.
And I would run out into thesun.
Really?
(05:09):
Yeah.
Because it was sunny.
I was at uh and I'd just run outto the sun.
Because it was the basement.
So I would run out the laundryroom and out to the back where
there was like a ramp stairs.
Yeah.
And then I would run into thesun.
Because then when I was in thesun, I felt I felt safe.
No shit.
Yeah.
At least for that time, that'show I thought.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
I I never would have, I wouldhave never thought of that.
Like I'm telling you right now.
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
And nobody ever told me that either.
It's just something Iinstinctively did.
No shit.
Just ran it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:36):
Dude, no lie.
I never would have thought,like, even right now sitting
here, I would have never thoughtto run like into the sun or, you
know, like that.
I I mean, I I maybe I maybe runinto the light as far as like
not going to the light.
But you know, just moving into alighted area and then kind of
like looking back or whatever.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Matter of fact, you know,sidebar, sorry.
(05:57):
I'm gonna tell you the funny.
I'm I'm having a Tom moment.
So the other night.
Shush, he's talking.
Yes, uh, yes, cut it out.
So I'm I'm in the house, I getup, and I had to do an early run
to work.
So I go, I take a shower, andall the lights are off.
Wife's alarm clock is going off,and it's this eerie, freaking
(06:18):
like ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding.
Like some crazy eerie shit.
Right.
And it just keeps it just, yeah,it keeps doing that shit.
So as I opened the bedroom door,I didn't the light was off.
I didn't fucking realize, bro,that she was out of the bed.
So all I see is from the waistup hanging over like her work
desk.
Man, can I tell you?
(06:39):
Butt cheeks clinched.
My butt cheeks was like, I'mlike, what the hell?
And she starts, she looks at me,she's like, I'm like, oh yo, you
just scared that shit out of me.
Like, yeah, man.
So, you know, it's it's thattime of year.
unknown (06:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:53):
You know, it's that that the fear fest right now
that's happening, bro.
All that stuff that's going on.
And then, and I haven't even hada chance to really watch, like,
I'm all like I love watching theuh the Ghost Hunters and Ghost
Adventures and the GhostBrothers.
I love watching all that stuff.
And that's why, so like I said,so the TV show that we were
supposed that time for homework,I didn't have a chance to watch.
(07:15):
But I did.
But so now which one was it yousaw?
SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
I saw the one that was Erie Hall about this kid who
went to college.
His dad dropped him off, went tocollege.
He was a runner.
He went from scholarship.
Uh-huh.
So, you know, he had to keepcertain grades up and things
like that.
You know, when you go there.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Scholarship yeah.
Yeah, and all that stuff.
Right.
Anyway, he started having uhproblems where he was hearing
(07:41):
his name being called.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
C bro.
SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
He when he s went there, he started running and he
would take the same path all thetime.
What I noticed is through thewoods.
See.
So and they kept showing how thewoods looked eerie and all that
stuff.
Right, right, right.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So as time goes on, he's doingthis, and what do you call it?
(08:05):
Uh uh, I'm sorry.
No good.
Name being called right in inthe woods.
When he was running in thewoods, by the way, he heard his
name.
See, no.
And he stopped him lookingaround.
I remember when I was stwatching the show.
SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
Now, did he have headphones on as such, like like
a workman or whatever?
Or he did.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Did he?
Yeah.
I believe he did.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Talk to his friend about it,right?
Window during a yoga party,typing a paper of his in his
room, hears it, his name in thehallway.
Bro.
Goes to check on it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
No, you see, you don't do that.
Sees nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (08:39):
No, people sit back to the desk and sees his name
typed on the paper.
And his name is Chris, by theway.
So Chris, you're kidding me,Chris.
So his friend finds out there'sgonna be the paranormal
investigators for that timebecause this is happening like
in the 80s.
Oh, okay.
(08:59):
All right.
So actually 1984.
3rd of September.
Okay.
Okay, I wrote that down.
Erie Hall.
Ed and Elaine Warren, thehusband and wife, and they make
all those movies, Conjure.
Oh, the Conjurer.
Yeah, yeah.
Those people are real.
Yeah.
They referenced them in there.
Of course, is the movie so theymake it more.
They were there?
They went to see him?
They were at the college.
They spoke with the college.
(09:20):
The front door.
So he went with his friend.
So it was real, real.
Huh?
Yeah, yeah.
So they were at his college, andthen he wound up sitting and
watching and listening to themtalk.
And then they were explaininghow you gotta be careful about
what doors you open.
How many people here played withOuija boards, blah, blah, blah.
No.
And then be like, listen, youreally shouldn't be playing
(09:40):
around with that stuff becauseyou do not know who you're
letting in.
Right.
So it's scary stuff.
So they're considered theoriginal Ghostbusters for that
time.
Right?
That's what they're saying.
They believe ghosts draw energyfrom living or some kind of door
that they can get through.
Okay.
You know?
Like almost like you're givingthem an invitation.
Right, yeah, yeah.
(10:01):
But you don't realize you'redoing it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
Like you like them in.
And they say the personality,your persona, also is a factor
as well, meaning he was a niceguy, he was doing his grades, he
studied, he was very vigilantabout what he did, right?
All that stuff.
They say that those kinds ofpeople that sometimes they go
after because of that.
Really?
Yeah.
So that's true.
For some reason, you know, likethey just well, not necessarily
(10:25):
go after I should change that.
That it depends on who, youknow, that's how they figure out
who's I guess it's a weakness.
They can feel something in asense.
So let me rephrase that.
Okay, I got you.
I got you.
So, you know, so certain peoplemaybe give off certain vibes.
SPEAKER_01 (10:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:41):
Without even knowing it.
Gotcha.
Like with the invitation part.
Yeah.
Right.
So you're giving thatinvitation, you don't even
realize you're doing it, butyou're giving this guy, you
know, crazy shit.
SPEAKER_01 (10:50):
Right, right, right, right, right.
No way.
So now who was the ghost?
Well, now who was the ghost?
So the the the couple come, thethe married couple, the
conjuring couple.
What's the name again?
I'm sorry.
Oh yeah, Ed and Elaine.
Ed and Elaine.
I don't know why I can'tremember Ed and Elaine.
So Ed and Elaine, they comethrough.
Now did they investigate?
No, no, so check it out.
SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
Hang out.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Okay, okay, okay.
You're right.
SPEAKER_00 (11:08):
I I thought the same thing too when I was watching
Okay, I'll watch the Okay.
I'm ready.
Okay.
Oh, don't rush me.
Oh my God.
Elaine.
So they went down this.
His friend said, let's go downthere and talk to them.
And to the stage, Elaine and uhand Ed.
Right, right, right, right.
When he went up to her, shewouldn't shake his hand.
See?
She was like, she pulled back.
SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
He goes, I can't shake your hand.
Oh.
So she felt something.
Yeah, that's not cool, bro.
You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01 (11:37):
Especially with them.
So people that don't know, thoseare the two people that they've
done, like neutral.
They would have like they wouldlike the conjurer and the.
Abigail.
Abigail.
So now these were the I won'tsay they were the original.
And that's a real doll, by theway.
SPEAKER_00 (11:50):
But by the way, it's a Raggedy and doll.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
It's not the doll that's in the movie.
So sidebar.
So we're gonna do the sidebar.
Yeah.
It is so the TV show GhostHunters, the guy Zach, he has a
uh haunted museum in Vegas, andhe has a handful of the
different dolls that arepossessed or supposed to be
possessed over by him, locked upin his bottom or something like
(12:17):
that.
So he keeps them there becausehe was in touch with them.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
And so anyway, so but then so now again, this
couple, they've investigatedAmityville Horror House.
Oh, yeah, that was like theirnumber one thing for that.
They had gone back and whatnotbecause they were checking to
see.
Because Amityville Horror, it'sonly part true.
Like the house is haunted,right?
But the kid that did the murderswas not crazy andor possessed
(12:42):
when he did it, is what the realstory is supposed to be.
That's it's supposedly in otherwords, he was he was saying he
felt the uneasy, but he didn'tthat's not why he murdered.
He was or he wasn't possessed?
He wasn't.
Okay.
That's how I heard the storybecause I was watching another
documentary.
I watched another documentarywhen they did.
SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
But in the movies it's portrayed as if he because
that made a good story.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
So same with Abigail.
Right.
So part one of Amityville Horroris part based on a true story.
Part two is more close, it'scloser, not more uh that's
totally illiterate sounding, butit was closer to the truth of
what happened, of what the kidhad said.
But anyway, so go ahead, I'msorry.
SPEAKER_00 (13:23):
No problem, no problem.
Okay.
So she wouldn't even shake hishand.
So that night, he went, he wassleeping one night in his dorm
room, and they hear a noise.
The tape recorder kept going on.
Was his friend in the room?
Did he have a roommate?
And they both heard the noise.
Yeah, he's like, yo, the pr thethe the tape recorder kept going
on.
You see.
So then he took it, I'm like,just take the batteries out,
(13:44):
man.
Up unplug it.
Yeah, you know, right?
Just and take and open the thingand take the tape out.
No, take the tape out.
Don't leave it in.
Because what happens if he stilldoes it again?
Now you take it out, you'relike, no, fuck you, I'm taking
it out.
SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
Yeah, you know, you can't play nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Oh.
Right, right, right, right.
Have you ever seen that happen?
Yeah, no.
Oh no, I've never seen it inperson.
I've heard it happen.
Yeah, I've heard of it, butyeah, they never did it.
So go ahead.
They heard the case.
SPEAKER_00 (14:13):
So because all this stuff, everything started going
south for this kid.
You know, he wasn't running, hewas going bad in his grades, so
he had to get his act together.
So he wound up, wind up going tos visit a a priest.
You know?
Did the priest shake his hand?
Did the priest shake his hand?
SPEAKER_01 (14:30):
He said Abigail didn't.
Not Abigail, you hear me?
Elaine didn't, so did the priestshake his hand.
If she didn't shake his hand, Iwanna know if the priest shook
his hand.
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
The priest, as that as a matterof fact, I apologize.
I was looking at the notes atthe same time.
The priest at first thought hehe gave him his book.
Like he was keeping notes andstuff.
So he brought his journal orwhatever you want to call it.
Oh, he gave it to the priest.
He put it on the table to showthe priest could be in the
priest thought he was being anass.
Right.
Was this funny?
Did you come here to be da dada?
Like he was getting really likeoffended.
Right.
(15:00):
You come to my head.
He started crying.
The kids started crying.
Of course he's in college.
I mean, you know.
But he's like, I need help.
Yeah, something's going on.
So the priest winds up going andhelping him, you know, talks to
him and then winds up going tohis dorm room and helping him
out.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
No shit.
SPEAKER_00 (15:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
I'm surprised that the couple didn't.
Elaine and what's his namedidn't go and and check it out.
Because if she had a funkyfeeling about him and she was
getting bad vibes, that how comeshe didn't go and investigate?
Right.
Ooh.
You know what?
We need to have her on.
I wish they could.
Elaine.
SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
No, they she didn't even the way they left it was is
that she didn't want anything todo with it.
Like she's like, yeah, no, Ican't.
Wow.
Like she was like, whatever itis.
Which is funny because you wouldthink she would.
But she felt something that wasso whatever it was, she was
like, I don't want nothing to dowith that.
I don't even want to open thatdoor.
Wow.
(15:57):
That's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
Dude, that's serious.
Because that's what they did,bro.
Like, they would actually go andtry to help people.
You know what I'm saying?
And wow.
That's like that must have beena super sinister feeling, vibe
that she was getting off of thiskid.
And or whatever it was that shemay have seen over his shoulder.
Like that's bananas.
(16:20):
Jesus Christmas.
You know what, bro?
Right.
I'm good with that.
SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
Yeah, it's the show was good.
I'm trying to just look at somestuff here.
So the priest goes to the room,does a prayer for the sick.
It seemed to help for a while.
He was sleeping better, he wasrunning, he was doing things he
wasn't before.
Right.
You know.
But other people started gettingexperiences now.
(16:45):
In the dorms?
Yeah.
See?
Yeah.
One guy left because of theexperience he had.
No.
Because they shared one nightthey they hung out in a room
together.
You know, they're like, justcome sleep with us, whatever.
And then well, he was there, andthe experience happened, and he
saw this figure, and he waslike, I'm out.
(17:05):
Yeah, you see.
I went home.
He then went home.
Yeah.
He went home.
So it was bouncing from personto person.
Right.
Well, now s either somehow heopened something where when the
priest went in there, the priestkind of maybe protected him in a
sense where he was like, Allright, well then I'll just go
after everybody.
Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Well, I mean, that's the thing that they say that
kind of sort of.
SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
You gotta be careful who you let in.
You gotta be careful, bro.
That's why I always say whenthey do those when they do those
investigations, when I see likesometimes Zach does it and it
drives me crazy.
I'm like, don't do that, man.
Don't Don't antagonize.
Don't antagonize.
Yeah.
Try to get the information.
And I know a lot of it showed.
Yep.
So I'm not, you know.
But for for protections foryourself and other people around
(17:48):
you, you know, get theinformation some other way.
I'm not saying being submit toanything.
Right.
But just do it in a way whereyou don't Yeah, see.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
I mean, if you're in you know,and I'm not telling them how to
do his shit, but I know that'show I would approach it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
But you're right, though.
You know, I mean, I believe thatthey do get, they have
experiences.
I do believe that they have, youknow, things that happen and
they see or whatever.
But there's no need to to me,there's no need to to to to
instigate a fight.
You know what I'm saying?
Or a possession or even if it'sbad or good, you want to listen.
What do I need to help you?
Exactly.
(18:23):
What can I do to help you?
We need to decide this keepgoing on.
Right.
That's why ghost hunters iscool.
Right.
Because they're like, what canwe do to help you?
Like, talk to us, let us know.
You know, what's the one with umJack Osborne?
I forgot the name of that one.
Jeez mini crickets.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Oh, you're talking about the young kids with the
brother and sister?
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
Jack Osborne.
I haven't seen the Oh, thebullet said that's the other
one.
Yeah.
They drive in the RV and they goto different ones.
That one's kids are nuts.
Dude, they are.
They're fucking crazy.
These guys, if you haven't seenthis one, these guys, they go
in, they they're traveling in anRV, and one of them will pick a
different place to go andinvestigate.
They've gone to jails, they'vegone to insane asylums, they've
gone to houses, they've gone toabandoned houses, and they
(19:00):
actually spend the nightseparate throughout the you
know, in whatever place thatwhatever building that they're
in.
Man, listen, I I wouldn't.
There are things that I mean, Iget it.
Listen, they always say thatthey do things to make it look,
you know, more exciting becauseyou're sitting there and you're
watching the TV show.
Right.
But there's nothing.
(19:21):
So we've all heard our namebeing called.
We've all heard something beingmoved in another room.
Like, don't open the door.
Like when they say, when youhear somebody knocking at the
door, I always ask who it is.
Say, who is it?
Don't turn around and go andopen the fucking door.
Because you're letting whateverit is that's calling your name
on the outside in.
(19:41):
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
Yeah, no, dude, I can't.
I don't, I don't, I don't, Ican't.
I I can't.
Only because, like I said, of mypersonal experiences, I'm not
trying to do that kind of shit.
You're you're crazy.
There's no way on God's greenearth that I'm gonna, I'm gonna
do that shit, man.
No way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:59):
But this part guy he went through, like, so I'll give
you some more stuff.
He was having before he startedfeeling better, he was having
bad dreams.
You know, he said he wasn'tasleep, he was sleeping where it
wasn't in his room.
So like he was sleep in the recroom or the s the the snack area
or whatever it was, he wouldjust crash on the couch or
whatever it was.
He didn't have a roommate?
(20:19):
He he did.
No, his roommate left.
Oh.
So now it was just him.
So when he was just him, so nowhe was trying to just break,
like, if I'm not there, maybeI'll be okay out here, kind of
attitude.
So Yeah, and attempted tocommunicate.
And then then he tried tocommunicate.
He wasn't about happy about it.
Right.
(20:39):
But his friend who happened tobe a photographer said, maybe if
we communicate, figure it out,and you know, see what's
happening, right, you know, wecould figure out, you know,
like, but the way they wentabout it was kind of weird.
I I wasn't crazy about the waythey did it.
SPEAKER_01 (20:52):
Well, you said this is the 80s.
SPEAKER_00 (20:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:54):
So it wasn't like they knew enough and wasn't.
They were going whatever theythought would be right.
Yeah.
Right, right, right, right,right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:59):
I probably would have referenced Lane and the
other guy a little bit morebefore I attempted to do
anything.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Yes, yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
Because you know their stuff is out there, you
could get it in the library orprobably something.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:10):
Because I mean, even too, with the recordings, you
know, uh photography and stuff.
Right.
And 80s computers were startingto come out then.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:17):
Yeah.
So if you had one or you wereworking on what you can get
information a little bit better,yeah, quicker.
SPEAKER_01 (21:22):
That was how we got it at the time.
Right.
I mean, until then, we sawPoltergeist and shit, so you
know, you know that they had setup cameras around the house and
stuff like that.
You know what I mean?
Right.
But yeah, no, no, go ahead, goahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00 (21:32):
So anyway, they took pictures and stuff, they wound
up finding something in thepicture that just seemed off in
one of the pictures.
And he told his friend, he said,listen, he told his friend Jeff,
let's don't say anything toanybody.
He was really like uptight aboutit, was fucking with him
emotional.
Right, right.
You know, about what otherpeople were thinking.
Well, he wound up doing theopposite and and did share it
(21:54):
with the people.
And he wound he caught him doingit.
And then, you know, everybodystarted calling him Ghost Boy
and busting his balls, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:02):
And uh, you know, but at some point he came back
and he uh apologized to him.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, said, Hey, youknow, I was just trying to help
you out.
Right, right.
You know, I didn't mean to dothat.
You know, I was, you know, andthen he made him write.
He said, Do you want me to writeit down?
And he actually wrote it down.
Yeah.
He had him write it down or signsomething.
Right.
So he uh what do you call it?
Jeff didn't keep uh well hedidn't keep his word.
(22:23):
Having uh his bedroom seemedvery real, saw figures in the
woods where he was running.
So he would see it in thebedroom, he would feel it.
If he went out, now he wasseeing it, like one time he
stopped.
He had this thing that he didwhen he counted.
Right.
And he would if he can get tohigher number, he was I think he
(22:44):
would think he was things weregetting better.
Right.
But when he got to four on thisone scene, he this thing was
standing right there and he sawit and he just jetted.
Yeah.
He took off.
SPEAKER_01 (22:56):
Why he was in the woods or in the woods.
See, but now again, this is thatshit.
What are you doing in thefreaking woods, man?
Listen, I get tell people allthe time I laugh about it.
I'm born and raised in Brooklyn.
I can basically walk through anyhood, money hanging out of my
pocket, and I feel safe.
You put me in the woods, I'mlike, no, no, I'm listening, I
(23:18):
don't do the woods, bro.
I have friends that laugh at me.
SPEAKER_00 (23:20):
Yeah, you gotta get you gotta be on another level.
Yeah, you gotta be smart aboutit when you're out there.
You gotta think on your feet andmake sure you you protect
yourself.
Yeah, nah.
Because you're in, you're out ofyour, you know, you're out of
your freaking um comfort zone,man.
SPEAKER_01 (23:32):
And if you don't know how to address a spirit or
ghost, whatever you want to callit, you know, it kind of messes
you up because you never knowwhat you could be doing that is
attracting it or having itfollow you home, come with you
home, you know.
It'll get in the car and ridewith you.
Have anybody ever seen that showGhosts this thing?
You know, one of those things.
But yeah, man, nah, I I I don'tget it.
(23:55):
So then what happened to thekid?
So did so he lost his roommate.
SPEAKER_00 (23:59):
Right, so one roommate left, his other friend
was helping him, they fixed thatup, and then you know, once he
got the priest involved, thatseemed to help the best.
But what was happening was afterthat, he would be he would be in
the room or something wouldcome, they were in his room
once.
Uh-huh.
They were all hanging.
This is why the kid left.
So let me tell you a story whyhe left.
(24:20):
I'm sorry, I apologize.
So anyway, they were allsleeping one night in the same
room.
Right.
And this is after he saw thepriest and all this other shit.
His friend wound up seeing thisthing.
And that's why he left.
And once he saw that he wasgone, he was out.
I like you said earlier.
I apologize.
But then other people saw ithappen to other people.
Happened to one of the girlsthey were hanging out with.
(24:43):
She went into her room, theyshow the door being shut.
Of course they had the toy.
Right, right.
Right, right, right.
Close or shut, right?
And then she looks in themirror, and then this thing is
like behind her or whatever.
And then she's like, Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
And then they find her on thefloor, unconscious, like like
all out of whack.
Creepy shit, man.
Yeah, you think?
(25:04):
Like, you know.
No.
So they get her, she wakes up,and when they get her up, they
finally get her up.
Because they thought she wasdead at first.
Right.
She's like, he kept saying yourname.
He kept saying your name.
So once I got done with the thetwo episodes, that's all I got
to.
There's another one coming upwhere it's winter break, and
they wind up it's just Oh, it'sthe same episode.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
I thought it was different stories.
No, it's the same one.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
It's just continuation.
Dude.
So, you know, once we I'll getto the next one, even regardless
if it's Halloween or not.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:37):
We're gonna have to bring it up.
Yeah, shit.
I'm not gonna be home thisweekend and talk about it.
But yeah, I'm gonna I wanna seethat.
I'm gonna I gotta I gotta watchit now.
Yeah, it was good.
I have to watch it.
The stories were good.
But we have some other stuffhere too.
Yeah.
Well, you got here that you havethe the well, you had the
Amityville horror.
We started talking about it.
We just talked about thatbefore, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, 1974, bro.
So think about it.
(25:58):
How old were we?
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
We I was I was three.
I was well, six seventy-six, Iwould have been ten.
SPEAKER_01 (26:06):
Right.
Right?
So eight.
You were eight when thishappened, and I was six when
this happened.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, 74.
I mean, you hear me, I was six.
I'm a crackhead.
I was freaking.
I was born in 72, I was twoyears old.
I was 71, I'm sorry, I was threeyears old.
Holy shit.
Maybe we shouldn't drink beforethis show starts.
Uh no, but so but I don'tremember the story.
Like, I didn't see it, ofcourse, live.
(26:26):
I wouldn't remember watching iton TV or whatever.
Amityville Horror.
Oh, yeah, I've seen it in themurder and all that.
Right, right.
But I'm saying, like, I neversaw the I never saw the original
news thing or whatever.
Because don't forget the news,like I said, it was a real
murder.
There was something that reallyhappened and whatnot.
So, you know, it they just madeit into that it was a ghost
story.
But yeah, Amityville Horror, youthink about, I mean, I'm not
(26:49):
saying that the house wasn'tpossessed or whatever the case
may be, or I mean, I'm sorry,haunted, and that the kid didn't
get possessed.
I don't even know.
They're saying that, you know,like I said, a documentary thing
that I had seen a bunch of yearsago was that the house was
haunted, but that's not what hegot into a fight with his
parents and ended up, you know,killing the whole family.
It's just he just went on arampage.
Yeah, he just went on a rampagebecause he was pissed, is what
you know I had heard, and youknow, that's when they were
(27:11):
going to accused that and thenadded things that have made it
into whatever, you know what I'msaying?
Gotcha.
Um But this one, Eastern StatePenitentiary.
So once the most feared prisonin America, its cold cells were
designed for total isolation.
Guards and visitors reportseeing shadowy figures, hearing
footsteps, and distant screams.
One famous story tells of alocksmith who, while working in
(27:33):
a cell, suddenly becameparalyzed with fear, claiming he
saw faces of tortured prisonersspurring around him in the
walls.
So now we were just talkingabout those kids that go to the
to the to the different placesthat you were just talking
about, that they go into RV andthey travel.
I believe they were here at theEastern State Penitentiary.
I know they went to a couple ofjails.
(27:53):
Right.
And they they heard stuff.
Like they heard cell doorsclosing.
They had to be a good thing.
Oh, yeah, when they do the whenthey do the ghost thing, they go
to all kinds of things.
They go to old mentalinstitutions for the time, you
know.
So and then now here's thecrazy.
With the menstrual mentalinstitutions, institutions, holy
shit, go political, sorry.
(28:14):
With the mental institutions,right, they say that because of
what it was way back in the dayof how they deal with the people
that were mentally ill, right?
It was more of a torture becausethey didn't treat them the way
they would do right now.
So they were pretty much likebeat you, scare you.
They would let you just lay yourown treatment and all these
(28:34):
other things, because that'swhat was gonna get.
It was bad.
It wasn't good.
So then now you have people thatdied while going through all of
these.
Right.
So yeah, that all that is hardat in there.
Right.
Again, this is if you believe inall of this stuff, you know, and
it's it's funky stuff that'sthat's happening, and you know,
(28:55):
well, it's it's bad feelings,bad aura that's still stuck in
those buildings, right?
You know, in the walls.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
So now they say it leaves a like it imprints itself
onto where it is.
And then there's always a resida residual.
Right, right.
That's it, residual haunting.
Right.
And it and you just it's comingback sometimes.
So it'll repeat over and overagain.
SPEAKER_01 (29:16):
So that's the residual haunting.
And intelligent haunting is whenit's that that poltergeist or
something like that.
But it actually speaks back toyou.
So when you ask questions, it'sgiving you the answer.
SPEAKER_00 (29:26):
I like when you use the hand monitor.
SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
Yeah.
And it says some crazy shit.
Yeah.
So that's the stuff that uhElaine and what's and her and
Ed, that's the kind of stuffthat they were using way back in
the day.
Now we might primitive becausethey only had certain cameras
and certain things.
Certain recorders and stuff likethat, and they were getting they
were still getting recordings.
Oh, they're still gettingcatching something, yeah.
(29:49):
On the regular, you know, on theold school, you know, cassette.
They would have loved to havewhat we have now.
Dude, if they had what they hadnow, forget about it.
They would have been able toprobably solve a lot more, or
not solve, but you know, fix alot more stuff.
Yeah.
And so that then, you know, theEaster the all the
penitentiaries, all the jails.
You have the prisons that wouldbe in, you know, ones that were
(30:09):
confinement.
Solitary confinement that theybugged out, you know, ones that
killed themselves.
And they would be in there forlike forever, man.
Yeah.
Like it wasn't, I mean, not thatjail is any better now, you know
what I'm saying?
But it is better than what itwas back then, I guess is the
really it's not that it's greatto be in jail.
You would hope so, right.
Right.
But that it's still a placewhere there's sorrow, there's
miserable.
(30:30):
It's not a very healthy uhenvironment at all.
You know, overpopulation.
So then now when you turn aroundand you look at what it was back
in the day before they, youknow, quote unquote, you know,
made it the living conditionsbetter, these are people that
were upset.
You know, these are people thatwere mad.
They died there.
I don't want to die here.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
(30:50):
Yeah.
They were they had no power atall.
They were being exactly.
So now their ghosts are there.
And you hear about that stuff,like I said, all over the place.
You know, when you hear aboutpeople that are that they go to
certain jails or even to housesand, you know, somebody died a
brutal death.
You know what I'm saying?
Or they just didn't know that itwas their time to grow.
Right.
(31:10):
You know, and here they are,that they just they're still in
that space.
They're still there.
They can't go anywhere.
They don't even know how toleave where they are.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Right.
But if you can help themsomehow, if they want it.
Right.
Maybe they don't want it.
Maybe they want to be there andthey don't want you there.
Listen.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, yeah, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
That's probably the key.
That's probably the key rightthere, bro.
I will give you that 150 millionpercent.
Because if it's something thatthey're now they're used to, now
they're comfortable, now theydon't, they don't trust you.
Right.
Whatever the case may be,they're gonna stay there.
They're gonna be there.
And listen.
How are you gonna know thatthey're not there?
I mean, I guess you could.
Oh, but uh yeah.
(31:51):
But it's like anything else.
Uh think about it.
You know, and almost anywhereyou go, somebody has probably
died in that space on thatproperty.
Maybe not so much like underyour house, but they could have
died a hundred yards from yourhouse.
So boom, you know what?
I'll give you this one.
They had ghost hunters, Ibelieve it was, was at where the
(32:11):
Manson murders with Sharon Tateand whatnot.
Right.
That house isn't whatnot, thatspace isn't there.
So supposedly the spirits wereat the houses in the neighbors
of the neighbors' houses.
Okay.
So that then when the ghosthunters went over there and they
were doing their investigationsbecause people were reporting
about, yo, I hear this in thehouse, I hear that, they are not
in that same space.
(32:33):
But to try to get across to theliving, they went to the other
houses on that same hundredyards.
All right.
You know what I'm saying?
So that then my point is that ifyou almost anywhere that you go,
there will probably be, if youwant to put it like that, you
know Someone's passed away.
Somebody's passed away.
SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
Accident happened.
SPEAKER_01 (32:54):
Right.
Shit happened.
Fatality.
Yeah, you never know.
You know what I mean?
I can't tell you how many timesdriving and you know, you hear
stories like we were talkinglast episode.
People driving roads wherethey're pushing kids, you know,
I mean where kids are pushingthe cars out of the way because
a school bus got hit by a train,you know, just all these
different things that weassociate with, you know,
(33:16):
paranormal activity.
Right.
You know, how much of it istrue, how much of it isn't.
SPEAKER_00 (33:22):
I think a lot of it, I I think when they don't
listen, there is stuff like whenyou watch the like the real deal
kind of, you know, when you seethe people, whatever, you know,
they have the music and allthat.
Right, right.
But I think you kind of knowwhich one you can say, okay,
this is fun to watch, yeah,imagine, you know.
But then there are some that youwatch and you're like, whoa,
that's yeah, that's shit off thehook.
(33:44):
Yeah, it's out there.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
Now they also say that your energy.
SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
Well, listen to uh our friends had you called Full
Moon Paranormal, right?
They they they invited us, bythe way, if we wanted to go to
any of their things.
All again this year?
Yeah, they have a bunch of them.
Yeah they have a a you know,schedule, so but they do this
stuff all the time.
Yeah, they put it on, you know,they have it on On their page,
their social media.
Yeah, everything, yeah.
So they they they do a great jobof it.
(34:08):
I see a lot of their stuff.
So imagine them.
I mean, I'm sure they have a lotof they've been to a lot of
places.
SPEAKER_01 (34:12):
We gotta have them on, man.
Right.
We gotta have them on.
But I mean it it but we need togo there.
Well, that too, yeah.
You know, you can go there andlet me know how it is.
I'll talk to you on the phone.
We'll go there.
But it's just but e even withthat, these are people who now
they do all the things to nothave whatever spirits follow
them home.
You know what I'm saying?
It stays wherever it is.
(34:33):
But even with them, sometimesthey follow you, like you said.
Right.
That's if a spirit follows you,bro, you don't even know.
You need your serious help.
Yeah.
And even buying trinkets, youknow what I'm saying?
They say.
So now here's the thing.
Oh, right.
Right, they say because itleaves a something like people
go to the yard sales and stufflike that.
Buy something, bring it to thehouse.
You bring it to the house, yougo to the You start getting
crazy.
(34:53):
Yeah, things start acting up,you know.
Right.
I mean, now listen, uh out of ast a hundred episod a hundred
stories that you hear about thatkind of stuff, there might be
maybe two.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not that this is somethingthat, like, oh my god, it's
happening every time.
You should have given himsomething.
You put it in his hand.
Oh, you can't grab it, hedoesn't have a dumb.
But, you know, it's just one ofthose things, man.
I tell you what, I just can't Idon't I wouldn't do it.
(35:15):
You could do it.
You will.
I'm I I won't.
SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
Like I said, I didn't have a really when I went
the first time, I was, you know,there were some things that
happened, but it wasn'tsomething that like, you know,
like I got spooked or anythinglike that.
It was interesting because I wasI felt like all my senses were
like like homed in on, okay,what's going on?
Yeah.
Taking my time, being, you know,very peaceful, not being
(35:40):
destructive or bull in the chinashop kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know.
So because you never know.
SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
Well, that's the other thing too.
Again, it depends on how you'regoing in the the vibe that
you're giving, that whateverspirits, said spirits, will come
to you, right, speak to you, youknow, or or talking to, like,
just answer you.
Because we would think you and Iwere talking a couple of days
ago that you put the that theyhave that thing now where they
(36:06):
put the blindfold on you, putthe headphones on.
Right.
Yeah.
And that people from in anotherroom will be asking questions,
or another part of the buildingwill be asking questions, and
that that person that's sittingthere um with just the
headphones on will hear theanswers.
You know, I mean, yeah, youknow, you gotta somebody else
has to be there so they canwrite down with the words,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:24):
I've seen that.
Yeah.
There's a couple shows that doit where, you know, she'll have
the headphones on and he'll bein another room, or vice versa.
Right.
He'll say, ask it a crazyquestion, and then she'll go,
Bob.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
Meanwhile, he's asking, sowhat's your name?
And then she's yelling out, Bob.
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
It's like he doesn't know it until he talks to her
later.
SPEAKER_01 (36:43):
But right.
So then he doesn't even yeah,listen.
SPEAKER_00 (36:45):
Right?
She's like, oh, well, this iswhat I wrote down.
Oh my god, this is what he askedme.
Yeah, no, bro.
I'm telling you, man.
Listen, yeah.
Listen, I think, I think you candefinitely tap into something.
Of course, you know, like again,with TV and everything and
Hollywood and whatever.
And, you know, there are somelegit you see some that are
like, I don't know, man.
Yeah, that doesn't sound toospiffy.
Yeah, that's that's off.
(37:06):
You know, like what you getcreeped out about it, you know.
I think the whole thing with thevibe, like you were saying, you
feel something and you know.
You're like, yeah, that doesn'tlike it.
Do you ever get that?
Like I was asking Tanya aboutthis.
If you drive by a house, andthat's not to be broken down or
to look you know, like shot oranything like that, but walk
(37:28):
drive by a house and go.
Yeah, no.
So like you get a feeling abouta house.
SPEAKER_01 (37:33):
Why do you say that?
I drive, I guess I do thatsometimes I do it at two o'clock
in the morning run.
And I go up into Bedford,Brewster, New York, go in that
direction, and there is abuilding that when I drive past
it, right, dude, I can't tellyou why, what it is, or
whatever.
It's for sale now.
(37:54):
Or for leave for sale.
You like it?
Or you don't like it.
It's just like I go by it, it'slike, it's like, it's almost
like it's calling my name.
Like it's almost like payattention to me.
Wow.
I don't want to say saying myname.
It's not like it's not yelling,Kenny.
It's interesting, but you can'thelp to see it.
But you stop like I don't Idon't stop.
Um because it's on, it's right,it's literally off the the the
(38:17):
on ramp.
Okay.
So it's not like I could turnaround and like come up on it
and whatever.
And it's freaking three o'clock,four o'clock in the morning,
like as I'm as I'm driving pastit.
Got it.
So I start my drive at twoo'clock in the morning.
I'm passing it around four,between four fifteen and four
thirty.
All right.
I'd be passing this in themorning.
And I look at it because it'salways like, pay attention.
(38:38):
Like, look at me.
Like I feel that almost thatoomph.
SPEAKER_00 (38:41):
You should just try to drive by without out looking
at it.
SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Oh, I've done it.
I have, you know what I'msaying?
But it's still every once in awhile that I just like look to
see where it is.
It's almost like I'm trying toset my bearings, where I am,
where I'm driving, and you know,how far on my route that I am,
you know?
Right.
Um that where I am on my route.
I should say, I'm sorry.
You know, that's okay.
And it's just, yeah, dude, it'sit's all I get it.
And it's funny because there wasa ghost adventures where this
(39:04):
lady said that she had beendriving back and forth and she
was looking for a new house.
And she was driving back andforth, back and forth, back and
forth, and that this house keptcalling her, this particular
house kept calling her name.
Kept calling her name, keptcalling her name.
So she turned around and endedup moving, like buying the
freaking house, bro.
Why would you do that?
Because she thought that shetook it as it was more like, oh
(39:26):
my God, that's my dream house,blah, blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile, it was that it wasthe, you know, according to what
the show was on, it was suckingyou in.
Right.
So now she's in there and she'shaving all types of her marriage
ended up breaking up becausethey would see a figure at the
foot of the bed.
The husband was like, I'm gonnasay, you know, for lack of a
better word, like gettingpossessed.
You know, he was getting likethese bad feelings, and he would
(39:48):
start arguing with the wife andthe kid.
Oh, okay.
You know, so she ends up stayingthere when he moves out.
Now she's calm.
You know, now she's calmer, thekids are chilling.
I'm like, man, listen, I'd havegot rid, I wouldn't, man.
But again, I guess it I thinkit's your pr your personality.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (40:04):
I think it's the already to give off.
You know, they know we're not tomess with you.
SPEAKER_01 (40:08):
Well, it's what you are and or aren't going to do.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I said, I got a shitload ofstories about ghost systems.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
Before we end this, the Whaley House, San Diego,
California, once called the mosthaunted house in America.
The Whaley House was built overformer gallows site.
You see, visitor staff reportssmell of cigar smoke, cold
spots, and ghostly laughter of achild people claim to see.
You see, what the fuck?
(40:34):
Thomas Whaley himself appearingblack frock coat, still tending
in his home, a house thathistory never quite let go.
You see what I'm saying, bro?
Those are the things, man.
Yeah.
No, before we end, I want to getthese all out, man.
So Bell Witch, Tennessee, 1800s.
Yup.
The Bell family was tormentedfor years for an unseen force
(40:57):
that spoke, sang hymns, andphysically assaulted them.
The entity claimed to be a womannamed Kata Bates.
Kate.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it wasan A, my bad.
Kate Bat Bates or Bats, I shouldsay, seeking revenge.
She allegedly killed John BellSr., making the most I'm sorry,
making it the only case inAmerica of folklore where Spirit
(41:20):
was said to have caused aperson's death.
Some say her whispers can stillbe heard in the woods today.
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
Now here's the thing.
Is it would it would it, couldit be that it wasn't that the
spirit didn't kill it, didn'tkill him.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
Like it was just him that hedrove himself baddie.
That he just like got crazybecause he thought he heard it
or whatever, and you know,killed himself.
I'm just saying, bro.
(41:48):
You're talking about way back inthe day.
Yeah, exactly.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you don't get your teethfixed and you know, he didn't
have a lot of security backthen, bro.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (41:55):
Well, I'm just so something wanted to harass you
back then, and if it was worsethan it is now, you know what I
mean?
SPEAKER_01 (42:00):
And and mental illness.
Mental illness.
SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
You know, you don't, you know, we gotta take consider
gotta consider your diet.
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (42:07):
Do you have any exercise?
Well, so we know now, if youdon't get your teeth fixed,
abscess, go to your brain andkill you.
Oh, I'll go to your heart andkill you.
Go to your heart and kill you.
So now because you can getwhat's it called?
I forgot.
Not sepsis.
Yes.
Sepsis?
Yes.
Okay.
So boom.
So you get that.
Now, the things that couldhappen in whatever happens, how
(42:31):
you know, bad things, you know,people get sick and whatnot, if
that's what made him fuckingcrazy, and he just ran into the
fucking wall until he was dead.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's just all those littlethings.
I'm talking, and that's me justplaying devil's advocate.
Devil's advocate, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, on some of this shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right, dude, it'sserious.
So, you know, I don't know.
I think just for me, you know, Ibelieve that there are spirits.
(42:55):
Yeah, I believe there's some.
I believe because of my ownexperiences.
People who, like I said again,don't have it, never did have
these experiences.
I've had it with my cool beings,I get it.
Right.
But Bella.
So that then now can't open byitself, bro.
I'm I'm just saying, dude.
I'm just saying.
There are things there arethings, I get I got a shitload
(43:16):
of stories.
My grandparents' house inBoston, bro.
I'm telling you, I got threeother fucking stories.
Just leave it, yeah.
Because it's serious.
And you know, it and you alwaysfeel that person.
I'm sorry.
You always feel that thingbehind you.
SPEAKER_00 (43:28):
Whatever presence it has to be.
SPEAKER_01 (43:29):
Whatever presence, yep, your hair stands up on end.
Something's not right.
You get that cold chill.
Bro, today I was in the machine.
I'm working on the machine, andthe AC inside the machine wasn't
on.
It has its own air conditioningthing.
It wasn't on.
How is it that I felt a coldbreath behind me?
Whoa.
That's serious.
Now, there was there's also athing about this gentleman that
(43:51):
used to work for the company, hepassed away.
Okay.
Every once in a while, we'llsmell cigarettes.
He was a smoker.
I love that.
SPEAKER_00 (43:58):
That happened when Nyareen passed away.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
You told me that.
I came home to the map and Ismelled cigarettes.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like somebody was smoking in myliving room.
Yeah.
She's like, Now I knowcigarettes.
Let me tell you, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (44:09):
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I know.
I smoke them motherfuckers.
So she's like, hey, no.
SPEAKER_00 (44:13):
Tony's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
I'm like, it's crazy.
Yeah, dude, because nobody inthis house fucking smokes.
That's right.
Nobody.
And I will bust your ass if youeven try to light up a map.
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
So that then is and it's notlike you have people over that
smoke.
No.
And if you do, you're onoutside.
I don't care.
No, no, no.
But it's like not even on theirclothes.
On their clothes, like there'sno residual in here.
There's nothing.
Yeah.
(44:34):
No.
I'm just saying, bro.
I know.
I'm just saying.
Well, that's being said, myfriend.
So thank you all for joining us.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
Love, peace, and hair grease.
Live long and prosper.
And we'll do a Tom, the oldschool Tom.
Go weird.
Oh, be weird.
That's the new one.
That's why I say old school.
I'm going to say go vegan.
All right.
Yeah, old school.
Let's go vegan.
(44:54):
Thank y'all for watching.
Have a good one.
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