Streetlights fade, the woods lean in, and a pickup looms in your mirror—until you realize the “phantom truck” might just be a local with places to be. We dive into urban legends where skepticism and goosebumps can actually be friends, threading together Clinton Road’s layered myths, a chilling Iceman true-crime moment, and the way a single stretch of asphalt can collect ghosts, rituals, and time-slip stories like fallen leaves.
From there, we follow how legends migrate and mutate. The Wendigo isn’t just nightmare fuel; it’s a moral compass against greed and inhumanity. Black‑eyed children knock with polite voices and wrong vibes, turning consent into a trap at your own threshold. The Michigan Dogman sprints out of radio folklore into “sightings,” while Mothman rides the thermals over an old TNT plant—proof that abandoned industry and media headlines are perfect weather for myth-making. We trade field notes on personal night terrors and optical tricks like Gravity Hill, where “uphill” is only an illusion and the brain writes its own horror short.
We also cross water. Puerto Rico’s forts hold cold air and heavy history inside stone walls, where a whispered “you can move on” feels as practical as a prayer. La Llorona shares DNA with the lady in white, and the Chupacabra walks a route from island rumor to ranch country debate, picking up conspiracies about labs, hybrids, and livestock along the way. Some stories we gently debunk; others we let breathe. The throughline is why these tales endure: they shape behavior, mark danger, carry culture, and make October feel like a shared stage where fear can be explored safely and together.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:06):
Welcome to CC and the NJ guy.
SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
Haller.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
How are you doing?
What's going on, fellas?
So we are back again talking thethird part of our Halloween
series.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
Yeah, same more series.
Third part.
SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
The third installment of our five, five
part two.
Sorry, it was that promo.
That silly promo video I did.
Yes.
No, but yeah, so it's gonna bethe third part.
We are gonna be talking abouturban legends.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Urban legends.
Yes.
So we got PA.
Now you're doing Jersey Legends.
Yeah.
You're doing New York Legends.
Yeah, North.
And I'm doing uh a couple thatwe saw from PR.
Well, we were looking up withPuerto Rico.
All right.
So yeah.
But the funny, you know what'sfunny is that like with mine,
there's a couple.
So I'm gonna say, because youguys have read up on some of the
(00:59):
ones that you have, right?
I I find that some of them crosscross over to different places.
You know, like some like thewitches, like the set with
Bigfoot.
I mean, I'm sorry, I saidwitches in it.
Like Bigfoot, Bigfoot, you know,you see Bigfoot.
Alaska to Sasquash to what's thefirst one?
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
What do they call what is that?
They actually have like atechnical term for that now.
Like monsterology or somethinglike that.
Oh, that's right.
Yes, I did forget about that.
That's right.
I did hear that.
Or it's like necrology orsomething.
SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
Something like that.
Yeah, there's like a word forit.
But that's what it is.
So a lot of them cross over.
So we're gonna probably see afew.
Because I didn't let you guyssee mine.
I didn't see the ones that youhad, but I didn't see the one
that you had.
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
But uh, I figured I'd start with one that's before
that that covers is justgeneral, that covers for
everything.
It's like so when people thinkof urban legends, like the most
classic one would be the BloodyMary.
You know, you say three timesMary Bloody Mary, Mary Bloody
Mary.
SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
Ah, see Mary.
It's always three, likeCandyman.
Candyman, candy.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
But isn't three supposed to be good enough?
SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
Threefold?
I thought three was good enoughstuff.
We just have Bloody Mary, we gotCandyman and Beetlejuice are all
coming here now.
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
Oh man.
SPEAKER_02 (02:07):
Wonderful.
Thanks.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Appreciate that.
Well, you know, but Beetlejuiceis gonna cancel out because
Beetlejuice is the funny guy.
You know, he's a he's amashugana, but he's still he's a
lot more than machinut, though.
I'm trying to make you feelbetter.
That's great.
You gotta keep an eye on it.
That is great.
You know what I mean?
So yeah, which one's where yougo, do the.
(02:28):
You want me to go?
SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
Okay, so so in New Jersey, you got by me, actually.
This is only like five milesfrom my house.
This is an urban legend.
It's called Clinton Road.
Really?
Clinton Road.
So it's it's a creepy road.
It's it goes all the way fromWest Milford, it drives through
the you know, miles of stateforest uh to Greenwood Lake, New
(02:49):
York.
So it goes from like 23 to likeGreenwood Lake.
Okay.
But back in the day, you wouldgo to a certain point, and it
was just the pavement stopped,and it was like a dirt road.
And, you know, just where thearea is, it's dark, there's no
street lights, you're just inthe middle of the woods, so that
looks creepy, and like, youknow, it was always like, oh,
(03:11):
you don't want to go to the end,or it's like go to the end, you
know, just in Cruid Lake.
Right, right.
So it was never a big deal.
But like there's a lot of urbanlegends tied to that road.
So it's like one urban legendwith several around it.
So one of them is called DeadMan's Curve.
SPEAKER_02 (03:25):
Dead Man's Curve.
SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
So Dead Man's Curve was on Clinton Road, so like the
it's like this 90-degree turn onon Clinton Road, right?
And there's like a bridge there.
So supposedly you throw thebridge throw a coin that like
there was a kid that died, youknow, got hit at that kit at
that curve who was standingthere or whatever, supposedly
(03:47):
the urban legend, and like thekid will like throw the coin
back.
SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Stop! You see, bro, no, I'm good.
Fuck that.
I'm sorry, bro.
Throw the coin back, really?
We've had that conversationbefore, and I'm not doing that
shit.
I'm not doing that one.
There was one that they had donein a ghost show, only because
you're talking about a kid, thatthey had you would park your car
on the train tracks, and if youput like powder or whatever,
flour on the trunk of your carbecause a school bus had gotten
(04:12):
hit by the train, and then youwould see the little prints of
the kid's hands, the ghost, andthey would push the car.
Your car would start to rollforward.
They did it on I look, I laughwhen I sound like, yeah, you're
full of shit, whatever.
When I watched the show, I waslike, oh and you could just see.
I mean, yeah, I'm sure you know.
But it's one of those things isthis is pretty extreme, right?
SPEAKER_04 (04:31):
That's like, really?
You're gonna take a car and putit on the track, yes, and then
throw some powder on it to hopethat somebody leakes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
Ghost hunters, ghost hunters.
That's the shit that they do.
But um, but yeah, Clinton Road.
So there's another urban legendtied to that too, and that's the
phantom truck, right?
What?
So, like, there's always, andit's so funny because I live in
the area now and I know what itis.
So, like, if you go there,you'll supposedly get like
chased by like out of nowhere,like a pickup truck will follow
(04:57):
you and like tailgate you andchase you out of there.
And every time I've gone, thathas happened to me as a kid.
Shut the front door.
But now I go in the area and Iknow exactly what it is.
Everybody in the fucking area isit's in the woods.
People, everybody has pickuptrucks back there.
And if you're going too slow,you're pissing off the locals
and they tailgate you to get thefuck the hell away.
(05:18):
So that's what it is.
But everybody's like, oh my god,there's this pickup truck that
chases you.
SPEAKER_02 (05:23):
That's fucking hilarious, man.
Yo, myth busted or legendbusted.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
I just know from living in the area now.
Because I didn't I didn't growup in that area.
SPEAKER_02 (05:33):
Right, now you know.
Oh my god, dude, that is insane.
Yes, sir.
That is too strange.
SPEAKER_01 (05:39):
There's also there's also the ruins of a 1905 mansion
built by Richard Cross, deep inthe middle of the Clinton Road,
right?
It was burned down in 1999, onlystone ruins remain.
Uh said to be a hot spot forlike satanic rituals and cult
activity.
I remember hearing that too.
Like that there's so many thingswith Clinton Road that are tied.
It's like I remember drivingthrough there, and people would
(06:00):
be like, Yeah, there's there'slike devil worshippers, you
know, but during the whole like80s satanic panic.
It's like, oh yeah, it's like,oh, there's you know, uh devil
worshippers in the woods,there's cult people, because
there's like this like kind ofjust like there's like this old
there's like there's like theruins of like the mansion is
still there from 1919 becauseit's like stone and shit.
(06:21):
So like people think it's likeyou know, because it looks
creepy shit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never seen it, but I'm surelike people you can go hiking up
there, you probably see youknow, bro.
SPEAKER_02 (06:29):
I don't know, but again, you really want to go and
yeah, because they say yourvibe, man.
So if you go up there to gohiking, they say that your vibe,
your your your your fear,whatever, is what brings those
ghosts or that you know the theIt's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
I know I still have more shit tied to this road.
Listen, that's insane.
So listen, so there's some realstuff too, but this is another
one.
So like people claim to see,like, as we were talking, like
creatures, bizarre creatureslike hellhounds or monkeys.
Yes, hellhounds.
And like, but people say thiscomes partly from the nearby
jungle habitat.
So in the 70s in West Milford,not far from there, was a place
(07:04):
called jungle habitat.
It was a drive-thru safari.
It only lasted a few years, butthey were trying to do like a
sex flags type thing, and theyclosed it.
But supposedly, like a lot ofanimals got loose or whatever.
So people so those urban legendsprobably come from when those
animals got loose.
The animals probably are stillthere, bro.
I don't I mean, I don't know ifmonkeys can survive the winter,
though.
SPEAKER_04 (07:24):
That's they're probably you know what, they're
probably they're probablythey're definitely smart enough
to be wolves to uh shit likethat.
SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
But let me ask you the question though.
If it's the monkeys that havegotten away.
They know they need to getsomeplace that's warm or keep
warm.
So then that what if theyevolved, I guess would be the
word, right?
Because they've now they'vegrown and changed, so now
they're different.
So like before they were like,you know, hot warm weather
creatures.
Well, yeah.
So that then they adapt theirhot both.
(07:51):
So if they get a little bitbigger, so that then they're not
two feet tall, now they're threeor four feet tall.
Right.
Now they're hairier, you know, alittle bit stockier.
Yeah, yeah.
That'll be something else thatpeople will see.
Probably.
Yeah, that's craziness rightthere.
So that's other stuff.
But and then I thought DeadMan's Curve was out California,
because that was the Beach Boysong.
SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Well, they have that, well, this is the East
Coast Dead Man's Curve.
Okay, I rode you that.
All right.
That makes sense now.
All right.
But there's an so now there'ssome real life shit.
This is where it gets crazy.
Okay, okay.
So like you have So in 1983, abicyclist found like a dead body
in like a garbage bag there.
On on Clinton Road.
SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
Off the side of Clinton Road.
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
All right, but wait, before you go anything, I got a
quick question.
You know the road, you said,right?
You're familiar with the road.
Is the road on each end closerto like in like a city dwelling
or like to a town?
SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
No, like the like the end of the both ends of the
ha end in like residentialneighborhoods.
It starts in a residentialneighborhood.
No, no.
They no, on the on the WestMilford side, there is it isn't
residential neighborhoods, justwoods.
Okay.
But on the Greenwood Lake side,it does end with like Greenwood
residential neighborhoods.
New York side or Jersey side,Greenwood.
(09:04):
New York Side side.
Um Jersey.
I think it's Jersey.
Yeah.
Greenwood Lake and Jersey.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
Okay, so go ahead.
I just need it for me in my headto see like, okay, like is this
like does it end in, you know,beginning end in town or like,
you know, just whatever.
Okay, okay, okay.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
So yeah, so there was a bicyclist that found like
a garbage bag, a body in agarbage bag, and it turns out to
be one of the iceman's murvictims.
Oh, the mob the iceman.
If you've so uh just anybodywho's watching doesn't know, uh
in New Jersey there was a mobhitman named the Iceman, and he
was called the Iceman becausethey would kill people, put them
(09:40):
in a freezer for several months,and then thaw and then put the
so they couldn't figure out thetime of death.
It was harder for them to figureout when the person was killed
and tied to anybodyspecifically.
So like they would kill theperson and then so that was one
of his victims that was probablyin a freezer for a long time.
And yeah.
See, that's cool.
Yeah, definitely.
(10:00):
I'm not cool that the persondied.
But it's cool that I think I'mgonna keep somebody in his
freezer.
Yeah, no, so I'm gonna do thisone.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
So that bicyclist was super freaking brave to be
on said road where there are somany things that have happened.
I wouldn't have been on the freeroad.
Like, I don't really lookliterally look at that face.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
I've seen bicyclists on Clinton Road before.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
No, if you see Lou's face, you're like, I'm not
going.
Just look straight ahead.
Don't look at Tony.
Just keep driving.
SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
If I really wanted to, I could take a detour home
to take Clinton Road home.
SPEAKER_02 (10:28):
Yeah, no, bro, don't do it.
Maybe like this, you havesomebody don't look at the
yellow line.
Just look at the yellow line.
SPEAKER_01 (10:36):
There's some pa uh some like weird paranormal type
activity.
Like they say that you knowpeople's electronics go haywire.
They've said that they've lostchunks of time or like hours
have passed.
Why?
So like related to UFOs, yeah,or just like a portal.
Or like a like a portal or theylike time, you know?
Where all of a sudden they likego into the future.
(10:58):
Like you drive and like twohours have passed.
Like you went to like and cameback.
Yeah.
Or you just a time warp portal,like you like it puts you two
hours in the future.
Yeah, see.
So two hours.
SPEAKER_04 (11:08):
You just lost two hours that you don't even know
that you did.
C man C it always gets out ofthe way.
Yeah, you know what, Tom?
Don't go to that way, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (11:15):
They go the other way road.
Go to go to safer way.
SPEAKER_02 (11:17):
Yeah, no, no, no.
I'm gonna go to the room.
SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
There's so many like urban legends specific road.
SPEAKER_02 (11:21):
It's crazy.
Yeah, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
Pass it all the time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
Yeah.
No, no, no.
What you got, Luke?
SPEAKER_04 (11:26):
You got another one.
No, no, that's the Wendingo.
unknown (11:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:31):
See, that's another Wendigo.
The Wendigo.
I'm sorry.
Wendingo.
SPEAKER_04 (11:34):
That's that's another I ended it and then I
made it from Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (11:38):
Owendingo.
Wendingo.
But that's another version of ofof a of a Bigfoot thing, isn't
it?
What is it called again?
Win win wendigo.
Wendigo.
SPEAKER_04 (11:48):
Yeah.
Okay.
So from Al Algonquin speakingindigenous people.
Like the Cree, the Abogee, theInu.
It's not just a monster story,it's also a moral moral warning.
Traditionally, the Wind WendigoDigo represents greed and
selfishness, especially duringtimes of famine.
(12:08):
The danger of losing yourhumanity through cannibalism or
unchecked desire.
Spiritual corruption that cantwist a person beyond
recognition.
Yeah.
I never heard that.
What it looks like.
Description vary from imageryand nightmare fuel.
Gaunt skeleton, half decomposedfigure with glowing eyes.
Skin pulled tight over bones,lips often chewed away.
(12:32):
Oh god.
I've never heard thatdescription of Windigo.
Sometimes depicted with antlersor a deer like skullhead in
modern horror through the moreHollywood the original lore.
See, but in Scooby-Doo, Wendigowas more like a Bigfoot looking,
like a I remember.
I remember seeing the theantlers, like the deer antlers.
(13:00):
Always monstrously large andskeletal.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
See, that's funny.
I've never ever heard that's thefirst time I've heard it.
SPEAKER_04 (13:08):
Wasn't just about being eaten by one, you could
become one if you resorted tocannibalism in desperation, gave
into insatiable greed, werepossessed by the spa spirit of
one.
Once transformed, you consumewith hunger, lose your soul, and
w wander endlessly in the coldforest.
(13:30):
Wonderful.
I'm just saying.
So you basically create your ownmonster then.
Right.
Yeah.
So if you if you fall into fallinto this pattern, you actually
become one of these creatures.
Wait, so wait, how does how doyou become one again?
Because of greed.
Yeah.
Oh.
And just unsatiable desires andthings of that nature.
(13:52):
Right.
Unscrupulous stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (13:54):
All the unscrupulous stuff.
But that's when you take it tolike the super max.
You know what I mean?
That that's the idea.
You go to like that superextreme.
SPEAKER_04 (14:01):
So you can get caught up in it too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's video games for it,there's uh horror movies that
have been done about it as well.
SPEAKER_03 (14:09):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04 (14:10):
It still carries real weight in uh cautionary
tale about balance, respect, andcommunity over selfishness.
So in other words, it's notabout you, it's about all of us.
SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
We need to take care of everybody.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
I think that's one thing though,too, that, you know, for all of
us, that uh that's where the theidea came for a lot of these
things.
They're urban legends.
Yeah, sure.
You know what I'm saying?
It's the something that happenedthat, you know, you put it out
there as fear or you did it.
Cause like with the we hadspoken about in the movies, the
Blair Witch Project.
Right.
You know, that was somethingthat people used to tell their
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kids kind of thing to, you know,don't go in the woods or she'll
get you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that kind of shit.
Don't go down that road orthey'll get you.
Right.
And then they always go down theroad.
Right, exactly.
Don't be such a greedy personand you know, or the windigo
would come and get you.
SPEAKER_04 (14:54):
Help people do the right thing.
SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (14:56):
It's such a cool legend because it works on two
levels.
Literally, monster for campfireshows and a symbolic monster
warning against greed andinhumanity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
Your stuff, man.
Yeah.
That's crazy though.
And it's and like I said, it'sit's wild because you almost
believe that you're gonna seethese things.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you go.
Wendigo.
There you go.
Wendigo.
You know, you just it's it's notWendigo.
It's Wendigo.
Wendy go, man.
Wendy go away.
I don't want to talk to you nomore.
SPEAKER_04 (15:26):
Good night, mate.
Wendigo.
What did the Wendy go?
You know what a Wendigo is.
SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
Oh my god.
I found a Wendigo.
SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
They always sound like they're I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't be mean.
Yeah, no, no.
You can't make fun of them.
That's true.
No, we could, they know.
Yeah, listen, they always soundlike they're questioning
everything.
Nothing but love, peace andwhatever.
Yeah, it was a long prosperity.
What other one we got?
SPEAKER_04 (15:50):
What about the black eyed children?
Mmm, where?
These tales started bubbling upin the nineties with kids who
looked ordinary except they havecompletely black eyes.
No whites, no iris, just abyss.
The kids usually described aswearing outdated or nonscript
clothing, such showing up atnight and asking to be let
(16:13):
inside into your car, yourhouse, or even just to use the
phone.
SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
Listen, yo, usually like possession have like the
whole eye, no just super black.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (16:23):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
Yeah, no.
You need to turn around.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
You need to go now.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Stop spitting that does a little bit of it there.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't see on camera when yougot the the door.
For sure.
SPEAKER_04 (16:38):
The classic features of of the legend, always in
pairs of small groups, theyusually appear with two kids,
two kids together, sometimes aboy, a girl, age anywhere
between six and sixteen.
SPEAKER_02 (16:49):
See no, man.
That's not like children.
SPEAKER_04 (16:51):
Monotone and polite, but wrong vibe.
They're usually really formallylanguage, a formal language like
we need to come inside now, orit won't take long.
People describe the tone asrobotic or unsettling calm.
Yeah.
Can you imagine?
I was like, Yeah, I can'timagine.
Imagine that, Brooklyn?
No, you fucking can't.
Yeah, you can't come in here.
Where the fuck is your mother?
(17:12):
Turn around.
Get out of here.
How are you?
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
Yeah.
Get the hell out of here.
I got something for you.
Take off my belt real quick.
SPEAKER_04 (17:19):
No, that's crazy shit, though.
Could you imagine that actuallyall can decide?
Could you imagine like somebodywalking up to the door and doing
that?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, no.
All I would do is just close thedoor and lock it up.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Police.
SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
No, police nothing, bro.
I'm calling the I'm callingsomething else.
Calling the booby.
Yeah.
No, they're gonna put me in thebooby hatch in before the cops.
Like, what are you talkingabout, sir?
There are no children.
SPEAKER_04 (17:42):
Commission obsession is what it's called.
They can lodge they can justbarge in barge in the instant
they must invite them.
They w that's why they getcompared to vampires.
Okay.
Insist that you must invitethem.
In other words, they force youto invite them in.
SPEAKER_02 (17:58):
Yeah, won won.
SPEAKER_04 (18:00):
Aren't you gonna invite me in?
No.
You know, no, right.
No.
You already know the answer.
Why asking?
SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, no, I don't know you.
No, you're sorry.
You're valid.
SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
In other like shows, like I've unlike vampire shows,
I've seen people be like, uh, Ithink it was in Trupalis.
Like, I un-invite you, andthey're like, Oh, the vampire's
gotta like go back.
SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
I never watched that.
SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
That's fucking hilarious.
He was like, he was like, Iuninvite you, and it's like his
body just started movingbackwards towards the door.
That's funny.
SPEAKER_04 (18:29):
Yeah, because it it's like a power to get them
out of it.
No shit.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Never heard that one.
That's a good one.
If a vampire ever comes in yourhouse, you accidentally.
SPEAKER_02 (18:36):
I don't invite you, uninvited.
Yeah, no, no.
Yeah.
Get out.
I wonder if I could do that topeople.
You're uninvited.
SPEAKER_04 (18:45):
Get the hell.
You're bloody bastard.
I don't like you.
Let's see.
Let's get a couple more thingshere right there.
Theories.
Paranormal.
Some say that demons, aliens,disguised, or even spirits
trying to pose as someone.
Psychological, other things.
Others think it's a mix ofsleep, paralysis, suggests Lee,
and modern folklore taking on alife of its own.
So in other words, you'redegrading yourself, right?
(19:06):
Right.
Hoax turned into legend becausethe story is spread online, step
skeptical, arguing snowballedfrom once made up tale in into
an enduring myth.
Okay.
You know?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:19):
But interesting stuff.
Oh, yeah, definitely, bro.
I'm still looking it up.
Again, bro, you like I said, youthink about these things, the
things that you see, you know,the stories that you hear about,
whatever.
You know, and it's so becauseyou're looking at the New York
one.
So where I used to live inNewburgh and I was driving my
bicycle at three o'clock in themorning to go to work.
(19:39):
And nobody ever said anythingcrazy about it ever happening on
that road or anything.
It's called Little Britain Road.
And dude, I'm there and I hearsomething running past the
people's houses, but I can't seebecause it's dark as fuck.
Like the only I was riding,riding my bicycle in the moon,
like I was riding to work, andmy car broke down.
Okay.
And I hear something in thetrees.
(20:00):
I'm looking and I see a shadowor something, and it looked
pretty big.
And I was on a pretty, you know,on a on a mountain bike, so it
was pretty big.
The bike was was tall.
And I hear it, and I look and Ikind of like go over into like
oncoming traffic.
It's just a two-lane road.
So I crossed the yellow line andI'm like, what the hell is that?
I hear it scurry across thestreet behind me.
(20:20):
So I go back over to my right,because now I'm hearing it in
the, you know, in front of thepeople's houses in the grass and
shit.
Man, somebody had a light on,like a little side light inside
of their house.
I saw this thing that wasprobably, if I was standing up,
I'm like 5'7, 5'8 if I wearheels.
And I had that thing looked likeit was up to maybe almost the
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bottom, like my bottom rib.
Like it looked like it was thattall, running on all fours.
That's a shadow I see.
I'm more like a wolf.
Bro, I started pedaling so fast,I was scared as fuck.
Yeah, no, I don't blame you,bro.
Funniest thing because then Iroll into the, I said I was
working UPS.
So I just get in there and Ijump inside and I'd be like,
they're like, what the hell'swrong with you?
I was like, oh, we can't do it.
(21:02):
They're laughing at me like youcity boys.
I'm like, city boy, my ass.
Yeah, I got up here in thewoods.
Yeah, sons of bitches.
They're fucking going to tell meabout this shit.
You have some crazy shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they said it was probablylike, you know, uh a wolf or
something like that that was outthere.
Yeah, what was out of thisbitch?
What the fuck?
Probably was.
SPEAKER_04 (21:18):
If you would describe it to be that big, it
most likely was.
SPEAKER_02 (21:20):
Listen, I had never seen the biggest.
You did the right thing, though.
SPEAKER_04 (21:22):
You got on that bike and just like.
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
I never was on the bike.
I know that, yo, dude, I was Iwas moving.
I know.
Hell yeah.
I know I got to at least like 30miles an hour because I was
scared shit.
Yo, just leaning all the way in.
Yeah, dude, for no reasonbecause it was all uphill.
I said it was no ducking,whatever.
Frostbite on your face.
That's how bad you're going.
Hell yeah, in the middle of thesummer.
(21:45):
Middle of the summer, I wasgoing so fast I got a frostbite
on my cheeks.
Well, it's freaking hilarious.
But yeah, but like I said,again, but I don't, I mean, so
I'm I tell you the whole funnybecause I don't even know if it
was really me seeing that.
Or you're not sure.
Or it was just in my head that Iwas bugging out because, you
know, again, you could do it.
You could do it to yourself.
Yeah, I'm bugging out.
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I've like, I've never ridden thethe i riding in the five
burrows, you know, ridingbicycle or whatever, the darkest
that it gets, you know, youmight think you see somebody
standing on a street corner orcoming out of their building.
You never see the woods likethat unless you're in riding in
the park.
Nah.
You know?
And it depends on which parkyou're riding in, you know?
Like, yeah, no, later for thatshit.
And growing up in the 80s, Idon't know if you remember, Lou,
(22:26):
that, you know, in in ProspectPark, Central Park, you know, by
me over by Sunset Park or justwhatever park.
If Van Cortland Park, peopleused to hide out in the trees
and the bushes and shit.
And if people were walking past,they still do that now.
They jump out and rob you or,you know, snatch people up or
whatever the case may be.
Right.
So, you know, here it is in myhead.
(22:47):
I'm riding down this freakingdark ass road with no street
lights, and I'm like, there'sgotta be some crazy animals in
this bitch, and then all of asudden I'm hearing shit running
through the woods.
I'm just saying, but it couldhave been in my life.
SPEAKER_04 (22:58):
No, it probably wasn't.
You probably heard something.
Your instincts were probablyright on.
SPEAKER_02 (23:05):
Yeah.
Freaking insane.
No doubt.
That's too much.
You got another one?
SPEAKER_04 (23:09):
Yeah, I I found another one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
So we got the Michigan dogmen.
I've heard of it.
First reported in 1887 nearWexford County, Michigan.
Described as a seven foot tall,blue-eyed, bipedal, canine
creature, basically a terrifyingmashup of man and wolf.
Oh no, I don't know that one.
Witnesses often say it's thebody of a man, but it's head of
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a dog or wolf.
See.
And it runs on two legs.
SPEAKER_02 (23:36):
I'm D'Zane.
SPEAKER_04 (23:37):
With unnatural speed.
The legend picked up steam inthe late twentieth century,
especially after local radio DJwrote a spooky bail ballad about
it in 1987 as a joke, and thenpeople started flooding the
station with actual sightings.
Of course.
Once you put the you know, youput it in somebody's head.
That's what I'm saying.
You just start seeing shit.
(23:58):
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it could happen, youknow.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,dude.
I'm your own worst enemy.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (24:04):
Exactly.
Exactly.
It supposedly appears every tenyears ending in 79, 1987, 1997,
2007.
People claim that they've seenit in the woods or lonely
highways were near cabins innorthern Michigan.
Browse, Howells, and GlowingEyes in the Dark are its calling
(24:26):
cards.
Isn't that where that show was,Northern Michigan?
Can you imagine Michigan?
Seeing Red Eyes or Glowing Eyesin the Dark?
Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01 (24:31):
The one where the one race with the guy in the
card.
The guy from the Hangover is notHangover.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Ozark?
Ozark, yeah.
Ozark.
Yeah.
No, that was um Jason Bateman.
Yeah, Jason Bateman.
SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
He plays a good Ozark's Northern Michigan.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
He plays a good bad guy.
Or is that scary?
He's kind of scary.
Yeah, the super fucking scary.
But I don't know.
I don't even know I don't knowwhere Ozarks are.
I think it's in that area.
SPEAKER_04 (24:55):
Why are you bringing that up, by the way?
I don't guess.
SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
I'm just trying to picture my head what that area
looks like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sure.
SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
Imagine I would like to know what the Arab Smith's
should look one up, Tom.
One in Canada.
See what the Aerobin Smith is inCanada.
If there is a good one.
unknown (25:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:17):
I'm telling you, I bet you there is.
Guarantee it.
You're already in uh what youcall it?
SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
Yeah.
In chat.
Yeah, dude.
I'm telling you, man.
SPEAKER_04 (25:27):
Another northern legend is my dig is the Manitou
of the Great Lakes.
What a spirit and said is tocause storms or drownings.
What was it called again?
I'm sorry.
The Manitou.
Manitou, okay.
Or Tao.
It's C O U.
SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
In New York?
SPEAKER_04 (25:42):
Yeah.
And then the White Lady ofRochester, New York.
A ghostly woman searching for alost child near lake.
I've heard of this one.
Yeah.
The Northern Light Spirit inInuit stories say that Aurora of
the Souls of the Dead playinggames in the sky.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
So wait, which one was the chick again?
What's her name?
White lady.
The white lady.
Okay, so see, so now that's whatI was telling you before that I
said I would see some that wouldend up switching because there's
one in Spanish.
So now this one I've heard inMexico about being in Mexico.
About the white eyes.
La Jordona is what it's called.
So that she's looking for kidsand lost kids and stuff like
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that.
And it's a woman that's weeping.
SPEAKER_04 (26:22):
Sometimes they would see them in the s her in the
cemetery.
SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
Ah, yes.
Yes.
I I mean I could just talk aboutlike I mean, there's so many
urban legends in New Jersey.
Well, just talk away, my friend.
SPEAKER_02 (26:32):
We'll have uh we'll go down one.
We'll just go.
Wait, wait.
You didn't have another one?
Oh no.
But you did you you still yousaid that?
Well, I was gonna do because Isaid you know, we'd do the ones
in PR and then we'll go back tothe book.
So I said, so La Llorona is theone we said the same thing as
the lady in white, you know,that she sees that she's crying
for kids and stuff, and peoplesee her or they'll hear her
(26:53):
first and they turn around andthen boom, you know, she's right
there.
Another crossover is Chupacabra.
That's I think.
You know, because I heard aboutChupacabra first.
That's in PR though, right?
But I heard it in Texas.
They do have it in Texas.
Right.
So I heard it about in Texasfirst.
That's like years ago when I,you know, first heard about it.
And then I hear later on, like,you know, digging more, that it
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was something that came out ofPuerto Rico and, you know, got
here in the United States.
Then it came into the UnitedStates, and then it was in in
Mexico, so in South America andMexico.
Like it was just in all thoseplaces, and then it was
mutilating the uh cattlelivestock as a whole and stuff
like that.
So I I had heard it, you know,from different places, but I
heard about it in Texas first.
Oh I'm sorry, heard about itfrom out of Texas first.
(27:38):
So I mean, it it's just it'sit's insane.
Uh then they had what's theother one I just saw here?
The devil's sentry box.
So this one is under um CastilloSan Cristobal in San Juan, and
that they that this sentry boxis believed to have a haunted,
it's being haunted by spiritualsoldiers that vanished without a
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trace.
So, like, you know, in the fortsand stuff that are around the
island.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of forts.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like I was telling you guysthe story earlier when I was in
PR last year, we had gone intoEl Moho, that's the big fort
that you see on TV andeverything else like that.
And I went into one of thesentry towers into the thing,
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because you know, you go inthere and take pictures and you
can see the view and everythingelse with it.
It was so cold in there, and itfelt so cold.
Was it were you walking ininside of stone?
Yeah, it was in it.
So the whole the the whole fortis made out of stone, rock.
Yeah, you know, brick kind ofthing.
And but it was I said it was thesentry box.
Like, you know, the soldierswould stand there and they could
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look out into the water to seeif anybody was treating the
boats and shit or whatever.
That's creepy.
And Puerto Rico was like fucking80, 85 degrees, you know what
I'm saying?
Going in, it's like it was coldand heavy.
Like I just felt like almostnervous.
And I hadn't even walked out,like gone, I didn't even walk
out because it's super small.
And I didn't even go over to theslot in the wall in the wall to
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look out.
To look out andor down.
Like I could just see straightahead, but I couldn't see like
straight down.
Man, I was like, like, you know,kind of like grabbing my
catching my breath, and I'd backout and I tell my friend's wife,
I'm like, bro, you gotta seethat.
She went in there and she like,I like she just kind of like
felt it too.
And then I went back and said,like, you know, you know, like
(29:23):
telling the whatever was inthere, like, yo, you know, you
don't have to be here, you know,none of that stuff is happening
anymore, whatever it was.
And I felt it get lighter whileI was in there.
I didn't do a prayer, I didn'tsay, you know, oh God, please
pass it.
And I didn't do none of that.
I was just like, yo, you canleave and spoke to like what I'm
gonna say in my head, believedto be the ghost anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
They say if if you see a ghost or you know there's
pr ghost present in the room,they say, like, you know, you're
just you're supposed to like letthem know that like need to move
on.
SPEAKER_04 (29:52):
Yeah, everything is good.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:53):
Listen, I'm not here to disturb you or upset you.
Yeah, it's bananas, bro.
And this one I hadn't heardbefore.
For El Hacho, a spectral redlight scene in the mountains of
Ponce.
This legend tells of a man whohas lost his soul from burning a
cross and must now eternallysearch for its ashes.
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Like that's one of those.
There was another one like that.
I don't know if you heard it.
Like the guy was looking for hislike body parts or something
like that.
It wasn't like the mummy.
It was something that he hadgotten cut up.
Oh, the headless horseman is thesame thing.
Oh.
He lost his head and now he'sgot a big thing.
Yeah, that is an urban legend.
Right, exactly.
So it was the same idea, youknow what I mean?
Up in the Tarrytown over there.
Right.
Yeah.
(30:34):
Tarrytown.
Yep.
The gargoyle.
SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Didn't we go there for one ofthe Halloween?
Sleepy Howl.
Yeah, we went over there for theHalloween shit.
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
Sleepy How is an actual town.
Yeah, it's Tarry Town.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
It's right by there.
The gargoyle, a more recenturban legend from 2018, a
two-legged winged creaturesmelling of sulfur was
reportedly seen in Barcelonita,leading leading to attempts to
capture it.
So like I said, this is one ofthose things where, you know,
the monkeys, you know, runningaround in the in the woods.
So you think it might besomething that's it could be
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something like that.
That's progressed.
So now I know about, you know,this is just some little quickie
ones that I, you know, was goingthrough and looking at, you
know, of you know, urban legendsand stuff like that.
But I know, I so we look for themeaning.
People look for theunderstanding why, where.
They said that originallyChupacabra was, and the
conspiracy theory is that therewas the government that was on
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the island.
They were mixing with dogs.
They were cross-breeding, theywere cross-breeding, they were
mixing genetically, enhancing,and doing all that other shit on
the earth.
SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
I had some island adopted on road type.
Right.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
So now here's the other shit.
So people that know and haveheard these stories, many, many,
many moons ago.
I'm talking like, you know, 50,60 years ago or more, you know
what I mean?
Well, actually, way more thanthat, because I'm talking like
60s, 50s, 60s, 70s and stuff.
And, you know, when, you know,everybody we were in wars and
stuff like that, and you know,setting up for what, you know,
we as the United States or justevery other country was thinking
(32:02):
about what was going to happen,they had a secret base in Puerto
Rico because there is militarypresence in Puerto Rico.
Right.
You know, like if people didn'tknow, it's one of the biggest
satellite dishes there that theyhave it aimed up at the uh in
the middle of the rainforestthat's aimed up into space and
they're listening and lookingand watching all these things
right from the island into therebecause you know it's on the
middle of the rain.
(32:23):
So, with all that being said,they had always said and seen
that, you know, men in blackwould keep you out.
Almost like Area 51.
Right.
So when you tried to go intocertain places, like they let
you go and you did, you know,that part of the of the
rainforest and go on the hikingand you know, the theory and
shit like that.
But you can't come over herebecause then they would do it.
My aunt, rest in peace, she saidshe had been out there one time
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with a friend.
And she was showing him around,and he was from Florida.
And when she takes him outthere, that they had gotten too
close because she didn't pay nomind to where they were, she was
just showing them stuff, andthat they got too close to where
there was a military base in themiddle of the woods, at the
jungle, I'm sorry, and that theywere like, You guys can't be
here, you gotta go.
And that after that, they keptseeing the men in black profile
(33:08):
and them around the island tomake sure that they were who
they said they were when theystopped them in the jungle.
Right, right.
You know what I'm saying?
But like I said, that's youknow, again, if it's legend or
you know, urban legend orwhatever in Puerto Rico, it was
still that, you know, wholeidea.
Well, it comes from somewhere,right?
I mean, and that's what I'msaying.
SPEAKER_04 (33:23):
You know, there's just people really seeing
something, are they making itup?
Right there's something elsehappening that we don't know
about.
Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
So many, so many differentthings you can come up with.
Yeah.
That's what makes it so cool.
SPEAKER_02 (33:34):
Yeah.
See, and then like even vampirestuff, the Morca vampire, the
chupacabra legend has earlierroots in the 70s, vampire of
Morca incident where numerousfarm animals were killed by the
similar thing.
So different name, same thing.
You know, so that's probably whyit was that you know they
changed the set, then everybodyknew the chupacabra was
traveling, like he had apassport or whatever.
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Who was getting around?
Yeah.
See the devil the devil's sentrybox, the legend is connected to
the historic forts of old SanJuan, like I was saying before,
and such as San Castillo SanCastillo, San oh my god, geez,
sorry.
Castillo San Um Cristobal, youknow, just about the sentries,
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the guards.
And when you go into El Morro,the fort, like I said in San
Juan, and you are walking, whenthey start telling you the
stories, all everything is likeopen.
They still have where thekitchen was, and everything that
we said was in is in is rock,you know, it's all stone when
they built the fort.
And they still have where thekitchen was, they still have the
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jail cells, like everything isstill up.
I mean, open as far as like theydon't have all the the gates
aren't there and such, but youcould still feel, see, like it's
crazy.
Again, Puerto Rico's hot.
Right.
And you still feel like you feela chill in there.
SPEAKER_04 (34:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:50):
It's insane.
You walk out of the fort, yeah,dude, you do.
Because of all the shit thathappened to there.
The slaves that were there, thethe you know, just the soldiers,
the fighting, you know, whateverlittle wars, battles, and stuff
that they had.
Dude, bro, yeah, it's heavy withall that stuff.
And it's through the wholefreaking place, isn't it you
know, it's just it's it's wild,man.
They got some cool ones.
(35:10):
They got some cool ones.
Go ahead, Tom.
You said that you had some otherones.
SPEAKER_01 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Just like I said, Jersey is justfilled with urban legends.
In fact, there's so many urbanlegends, there was a like
magazine in New Jersey calledWeird New Jersey that would be
filled with I mean, not justurban legends, it had some other
stuff like like people who arejust like these regular just
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like strange people and strangethings that you see in towns.
But anyway, so there's alwaysurban legends.
And one of the urban legendsthat it's funny is it's it's in
a town you wouldn't expect itin, and like they the cops there
like really give people hardtime because it's a it's like
one of the wealthiest towns inthe United States is Alpine, New
Jersey.
Uh Alpine, New Jersey's in likenorth like northern Bergen
(36:00):
County, but like it's likenorthern, like super east.
Like it's like along the HudsonRiver.
It's like a s it look it's likeif you replaced suburban
neighborhoods with a little bitmore property and just mansions,
it's like mansion, mansion,mansion, mansion, mansion,
mansion.
Anyway, so they got this thing,I think it's like the town the
section the section of thattown's called Rio Grande or
(36:22):
something.
I don't know, but or Rio Vista,that's what it is.
Rio Vista.
You go to the Rio Vista section,there is a tower called, I don't
know, it's just a tower, butpeople call it Devil's Tower.
And suppose if you drive aroundit backwards three times or
something like that, you'll likea lady in white will appear,
like we were talking aboutbefore.
So it's like they're mixing,they're mixing it.
(36:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like in that neighborhood,you'd be doing that shit.
Those cops will be there sofucking fast because like, you
know, they don't want people togo in there and doing it.
Yeah, it's a fucking upscalewealthy neighborhood.
They paid the cops to like keeppeople out.
You know what I mean?
Like we don't need people cominghere and doing that.
Especially a bunch of teenagers.
I did it.
But anyway.
(37:03):
That is crazy.
We did it real fast.
I didn't drive around itbackwards three times, but I did
drive around it a couple times.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
And I was like, let's get the f yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
You know, that's crazy.
See, I wouldn't do it, but Iwouldn't dare to do that.
Like, even when I was a kid andwhile I pushed the envelope.
Yeah, I'm I just never even likeI never ponsoned the idea to
turn around and do any of thatshit.
I never did the candy man.
You know, the Beetlejuice we didthe Beetlejuice because it was
just funny, but you know, neverdid the candy man, never did the
Bloody Mary.
(37:29):
My cousin did, she did it.
There's no reason to make it theBloody Mary.
I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
I'm good, man.
SPEAKER_01 (37:34):
There's I'm good.
There's also, and this I passthis almost like three to four
times a week.
I pass in Whykoff, there's EwingAve.
There's an exit ramp on Route208, and it's called Gravity
Hill.
And you go down it.
See, and an urban legend is isthat there was like a girl who
(37:56):
was like hit by a car orsomething like that, and she's
stopping you from going.
So you feel the force pull youback up.
And if you put your car neutral,car goes back uphill.
Right.
Yeah.
It really does.
Oh wow, that's crazy.
But you know what it is.
It's an optical illusion.
Yeah, exactly.
Because you're actually goinguphill, but the way the
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landscape is curved.
You're really going downhill,yeah.
It looks like you're goingdownhill.
Right.
So you actually feel like likeyour car is like because you're
going downhill, but it lookslike you're going uphill.
That's crazy.
So you feel the or are yougoing, I mean you're going
uphill.
But it looks like you're goingdownhill.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (38:37):
So it feels like your car is like the lotion you
get to when you're in trafficand you feel like the you're
moving when the truck goes andyou're not and you're staying
still.
Yeah, it's not.
SPEAKER_01 (38:46):
It's sort of like that, but with like the
direction of height.
Right.
The way the landscape is set.
It just looks and the andthere's like shit throws you off
on that.
It's banks on both sides.
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
So it looks like you're going down downhill, but
you're going to be able to doit.
You're really going uphill.
Yeah.
So when you're driving regular,it's like you're going uphill.
If you put the car in neutral,it's really rolling back down
the hill.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I was telling youabout with the kids on the
train, on the train thing.
So you know what I mean?
It's because of the way that thetracks are, how it is, and how
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the road is over the track,like, you know, that they just
it looks that you're just reallyrolling off of it.
It's not that there's reallyghosts pushing you.
Right, right.
Or some kind of entity.
Yeah, I'm not knocking anybody'sbelief about it or whatever, you
know, about that particular one,because I saw it, like I said, I
saw it on TV and the car waskind of sitting there, and then
they made the horn sound of thetrain coming and the car started
(39:39):
to move.
So take it how you wanna, youknow, watching it on TV, you
know, just to get people towatch.
Yeah, whatever.
It's one of them things.
SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
There's also in Tottawa, they there was in New
Jersey, there was a thing calledMidgetville.
And there was a rumor that therewas this section around by this
like curve of like houses formidgets.
And like you go and they're liketiny houses.
They're all super, and that'sbefore tiny homes were cool.
Like they were tiny homes, butthey're like low-income housing.
(40:09):
Like people don't realizethey're like they're like single
rooms.
Glorified sheds.
You know what I mean?
Like they're bigger than sheds,you know what I mean?
But like they're like super, youknow, like yeah, like one room,
uh one bathroom house, you know,one smoke.
Anyway, so like the legend is ifyou go in there, the midgets
will come out and start throwingrocks at your cars and fucking
destroy your cars.
It's like, but that will happenif you go in there and start,
(40:32):
but if they're not midgets, butlike because people fucking
getting pissed, you go in thereand you're honking your horn and
being an ass.
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, you start doing shit atyou, you know.
And then but then there's thisthere's another urban legend
from there that someone waschased out of there, and there
was a girl on a prom night whogot who was walking down the
road and a car hit her becausethey were rushing out of there
(40:52):
being chased by it.
And so on that curve, someonepainted blood, paint put red
paint and shit like that.
So they like really laid intoit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the late 90s.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:03):
That's hilarious, man.
I'm telling you, this just andand it's crazy because of how
the human psyche, bro, the mindjust works to like you see it
all of a sudden, you're hearingit, you know.
I I don't even know if I toldyou guys this one.
Now I'm laughing because it'sit's we're talking about this
shit now.
A couple of weeks ago, I wasdoing my two o'clock in the
morning run, and I'm coming downthis one road, and I only have
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one of my passengers in the car.
And when I turned coming out oftheir parking area, and I start
to go down the road, I shit younot, bro.
I saw somebody standing aboutmaybe 50 yards in front of me in
the middle of the road.
And I'm like trying to turn thewipers on to see if I really saw
it.
And then a headlight came frombehind me and uh it went away.
(41:45):
And then even when the car hadturned, the car behind me had
turned off to where it wasgoing, the image didn't come
back.
Or the person that thought I sawit.
And I was stopped, bro.
I was stopped because I waslike, what the fuck is that?
Panicked.
Panicked.
Well, not panicked panicked, butI got scared like it sent the
chip.
I'm respiring, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
That's crazy, man.
Also, really, what when cooksay, I mean little people, not
midget.
I use the term measure becauseuh that was the word.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
That's what they were saying for the time, right?
That is hilarious, man.
Yeah, these are always fun, bro.
I love this.
I'm having fun with this uhHalloween stuff.
This is this is really groovyshit.
What remember, guys, real quick?
The Mothman?
Mothman, yes.
That was the word.
It all began.
SPEAKER_04 (42:23):
Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 1966 through 1967.
It's where the legend exploded.
First sighting of a group ofgravediggers saw a man like
figure with wings flying overthem.
Shortly after, two young couplesreported a giant winged creature
with glowing red eyes chasingtheir car near an old TNT plant,
(42:44):
a World War II ammunition site.
SPEAKER_03 (42:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (42:47):
Local newspaper dubbed his Mothman, riffing off
the popular popularity of Batmanat the time.
That's funny.
I thought Mothman was uh wasolder than that.
unknown (42:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (42:58):
Uh you know what I mean?
It makes sense though.
It seems like hundreds of peoplein the area reported strange
encounters, a huge gray humanoidwith wingspan of ten feet or
more, eyes glowing red liketaillights, flying silently,
sometimes keeping pace with carsat high speeds, people who
reported weird electricaldisturbances, UFOs, and strange
(43:18):
phone calls around the sametime.
SPEAKER_03 (43:20):
Mm-hmm.
unknown (43:21):
See?
SPEAKER_04 (43:21):
Good stuff.
Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_02 (43:23):
Yeah, that is freaking great.
I love this shit.
It's just fun.
It's fun.
But I'm enjoying this hauntedOctober, bro.
Yeah, Halloween.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
Some of my favorite uh holiday.
SPEAKER_02 (43:35):
Yeah.
I've gotten into it.
I've gotten into it more.
I never paid no mind.
SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
I like other holidays too.
I'm not saying it I'm not sure.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no,yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
I love the festivess of the whole thing.
Yeah.
I love all the macabre, youknow, the dark.
SPEAKER_02 (43:49):
Yeah.
Right, right.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
You know, because then you thinkabout it.
This is when you turn around,you're watching all the ghost
hunting shows and stuff likethat throughout the s you know,
throughout the year.
And you know they do somethingspecial to start more.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Well, I'm saying to like horror punk exclusively.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
I listened to some newer oneslike Wednesday 13th.
That's a good uh horror punkband.
SPEAKER_02 (44:09):
You see?
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like even now, I have thethe whatchouquatz in my car.
I have a skeleton mask, uh,anime mask, uh Ichigo's uh
hollow mask.
I got that.
I got a skeleton in my backseat, so you know, it's all fun.
I love it.
But with that, thank you guysfor listening.
Appreciate all of y'all forbeing here with us.
Love, peace, and hair grease.
Live long and prosper.
And stay spooky.
SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
Hello.
Welcome to CC and the NJ guy.
SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
Haller.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
How are you doing?
What's going on, fellas?
So we are back again talking thethird part of our Halloween
series.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
Yeah, same more series.
Third part.
SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
The third installment of our five, five
part two.
Sorry, it was that promo.
That silly promo video I did.
Yes.
No, but yeah, so it's gonna bethe third part.
We are gonna be talking abouturban legends.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Urban legends.
Yes.
So we got PA.
Now you're doing Jersey Legends.
Yeah.
You're doing New York Legends.
Yeah, North.
And I'm doing uh a couple thatwe saw from PR.
Well, we were looking up withPuerto Rico.
All right.
So yeah.
But the funny, you know what'sfunny is that like with mine,
there's a couple.
So I'm gonna say, because youguys have read up on some of the
(00:59):
ones that you have, right?
I I find that some of them crosscross over to different places.
You know, like some like thewitches, like the set with
Bigfoot.
I mean, I'm sorry, I saidwitches in it.
Like Bigfoot, Bigfoot, you know,you see Bigfoot.
Alaska to Sasquash to what's thefirst one?
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
What do they call what is that?
They actually have like atechnical term for that now.
Like monsterology or somethinglike that.
Oh, that's right.
Yes, I did forget about that.
That's right.
I did hear that.
Or it's like necrology orsomething.
SPEAKER_02 (01:28):
Something like that.
Yeah, there's like a word forit.
But that's what it is.
So a lot of them cross over.
So we're gonna probably see afew.
Because I didn't let you guyssee mine.
I didn't see the ones that youhad, but I didn't see the one
that you had.
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
But uh, I figured I'd start with one that's before
that that covers is justgeneral, that covers for
everything.
It's like so when people thinkof urban legends, like the most
classic one would be the BloodyMary.
You know, you say three timesMary Bloody Mary, Mary Bloody
Mary.
SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
Ah, see Mary.
It's always three, likeCandyman.
Candyman, candy.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
But isn't three supposed to be good enough?
SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
Threefold?
I thought three was good enoughstuff.
We just have Bloody Mary, we gotCandyman and Beetlejuice are all
coming here now.
SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
Oh man.
SPEAKER_02 (02:07):
Wonderful.
Thanks.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Appreciate that.
Well, you know, but Beetlejuiceis gonna cancel out because
Beetlejuice is the funny guy.
You know, he's a he's amashugana, but he's still he's a
lot more than machinut, though.
I'm trying to make you feelbetter.
That's great.
You gotta keep an eye on it.
That is great.
You know what I mean?
So yeah, which one's where yougo, do the.
(02:28):
You want me to go?
SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
Okay, so so in New Jersey, you got by me, actually.
This is only like five milesfrom my house.
This is an urban legend.
It's called Clinton Road.
Really?
Clinton Road.
So it's it's a creepy road.
It's it goes all the way fromWest Milford, it drives through
the you know, miles of stateforest uh to Greenwood Lake, New
(02:49):
York.
So it goes from like 23 to likeGreenwood Lake.
Okay.
But back in the day, you wouldgo to a certain point, and it
was just the pavement stopped,and it was like a dirt road.
And, you know, just where thearea is, it's dark, there's no
street lights, you're just inthe middle of the woods, so that
looks creepy, and like, youknow, it was always like, oh,
(03:11):
you don't want to go to the end,or it's like go to the end, you
know, just in Cruid Lake.
Right, right.
So it was never a big deal.
But like there's a lot of urbanlegends tied to that road.
So it's like one urban legendwith several around it.
So one of them is called DeadMan's Curve.
SPEAKER_02 (03:25):
Dead Man's Curve.
SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
So Dead Man's Curve was on Clinton Road, so like the
it's like this 90-degree turn onon Clinton Road, right?
And there's like a bridge there.
So supposedly you throw thebridge throw a coin that like
there was a kid that died, youknow, got hit at that kit at
that curve who was standingthere or whatever, supposedly
(03:47):
the urban legend, and like thekid will like throw the coin
back.
SPEAKER_02 (03:50):
Stop! You see, bro, no, I'm good.
Fuck that.
I'm sorry, bro.
Throw the coin back, really?
We've had that conversationbefore, and I'm not doing that
shit.
I'm not doing that one.
There was one that they had donein a ghost show, only because
you're talking about a kid, thatthey had you would park your car
on the train tracks, and if youput like powder or whatever,
flour on the trunk of your carbecause a school bus had gotten
(04:12):
hit by the train, and then youwould see the little prints of
the kid's hands, the ghost, andthey would push the car.
Your car would start to rollforward.
They did it on I look, I laughwhen I sound like, yeah, you're
full of shit, whatever.
When I watched the show, I waslike, oh and you could just see.
I mean, yeah, I'm sure you know.
But it's one of those things isthis is pretty extreme, right?
SPEAKER_04 (04:31):
That's like, really?
You're gonna take a car and putit on the track, yes, and then
throw some powder on it to hopethat somebody leakes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
Ghost hunters, ghost hunters.
That's the shit that they do.
But um, but yeah, Clinton Road.
So there's another urban legendtied to that too, and that's the
phantom truck, right?
What?
So, like, there's always, andit's so funny because I live in
the area now and I know what itis.
So, like, if you go there,you'll supposedly get like
chased by like out of nowhere,like a pickup truck will follow
(04:57):
you and like tailgate you andchase you out of there.
And every time I've gone, thathas happened to me as a kid.
Shut the front door.
But now I go in the area and Iknow exactly what it is.
Everybody in the fucking area isit's in the woods.
People, everybody has pickuptrucks back there.
And if you're going too slow,you're pissing off the locals
and they tailgate you to get thefuck the hell away.
(05:18):
So that's what it is.
But everybody's like, oh my god,there's this pickup truck that
chases you.
SPEAKER_02 (05:23):
That's fucking hilarious, man.
Yo, myth busted or legendbusted.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
I just know from living in the area now.
Because I didn't I didn't growup in that area.
SPEAKER_02 (05:33):
Right, now you know.
Oh my god, dude, that is insane.
Yes, sir.
That is too strange.
SPEAKER_01 (05:39):
There's also there's also the ruins of a 1905 mansion
built by Richard Cross, deep inthe middle of the Clinton Road,
right?
It was burned down in 1999, onlystone ruins remain.
Uh said to be a hot spot forlike satanic rituals and cult
activity.
I remember hearing that too.
Like that there's so many thingswith Clinton Road that are tied.
It's like I remember drivingthrough there, and people would
(06:00):
be like, Yeah, there's there'slike devil worshippers, you
know, but during the whole like80s satanic panic.
It's like, oh yeah, it's like,oh, there's you know, uh devil
worshippers in the woods,there's cult people, because
there's like this like kind ofjust like there's like this old
there's like there's like theruins of like the mansion is
still there from 1919 becauseit's like stone and shit.
(06:21):
So like people think it's likeyou know, because it looks
creepy shit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never seen it, but I'm surelike people you can go hiking up
there, you probably see youknow, bro.
SPEAKER_02 (06:29):
I don't know, but again, you really want to go and
yeah, because they say yourvibe, man.
So if you go up there to gohiking, they say that your vibe,
your your your your fear,whatever, is what brings those
ghosts or that you know the theIt's crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
I know I still have more shit tied to this road.
Listen, that's insane.
So listen, so there's some realstuff too, but this is another
one.
So like people claim to see,like, as we were talking, like
creatures, bizarre creatureslike hellhounds or monkeys.
Yes, hellhounds.
And like, but people say thiscomes partly from the nearby
jungle habitat.
So in the 70s in West Milford,not far from there, was a place
(07:04):
called jungle habitat.
It was a drive-thru safari.
It only lasted a few years, butthey were trying to do like a
sex flags type thing, and theyclosed it.
But supposedly, like a lot ofanimals got loose or whatever.
So people so those urban legendsprobably come from when those
animals got loose.
The animals probably are stillthere, bro.
I don't I mean, I don't know ifmonkeys can survive the winter,
though.
SPEAKER_04 (07:24):
That's they're probably you know what, they're
probably they're probablythey're definitely smart enough
to be wolves to uh shit likethat.
SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
But let me ask you the question though.
If it's the monkeys that havegotten away.
They know they need to getsomeplace that's warm or keep
warm.
So then that what if theyevolved, I guess would be the
word, right?
Because they've now they'vegrown and changed, so now
they're different.
So like before they were like,you know, hot warm weather
creatures.
Well, yeah.
So that then they adapt theirhot both.
(07:51):
So if they get a little bitbigger, so that then they're not
two feet tall, now they're threeor four feet tall.
Right.
Now they're hairier, you know, alittle bit stockier.
Yeah, yeah.
That'll be something else thatpeople will see.
Probably.
Yeah, that's craziness rightthere.
So that's other stuff.
But and then I thought DeadMan's Curve was out California,
because that was the Beach Boysong.
SPEAKER_01 (08:11):
Well, they have that, well, this is the East
Coast Dead Man's Curve.
Okay, I rode you that.
All right.
That makes sense now.
All right.
But there's an so now there'ssome real life shit.
This is where it gets crazy.
Okay, okay.
So like you have So in 1983, abicyclist found like a dead body
in like a garbage bag there.
On on Clinton Road.
SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
Off the side of Clinton Road.
SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
All right, but wait, before you go anything, I got a
quick question.
You know the road, you said,right?
You're familiar with the road.
Is the road on each end closerto like in like a city dwelling
or like to a town?
SPEAKER_01 (08:43):
No, like the like the end of the both ends of the
ha end in like residentialneighborhoods.
It starts in a residentialneighborhood.
No, no.
They no, on the on the WestMilford side, there is it isn't
residential neighborhoods, justwoods.
Okay.
But on the Greenwood Lake side,it does end with like Greenwood
residential neighborhoods.
New York side or Jersey side,Greenwood.
(09:04):
New York Side side.
Um Jersey.
I think it's Jersey.
Yeah.
Greenwood Lake and Jersey.
SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
Okay, so go ahead.
I just need it for me in my headto see like, okay, like is this
like does it end in, you know,beginning end in town or like,
you know, just whatever.
Okay, okay, okay.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (09:19):
So yeah, so there was a bicyclist that found like
a garbage bag, a body in agarbage bag, and it turns out to
be one of the iceman's murvictims.
Oh, the mob the iceman.
If you've so uh just anybodywho's watching doesn't know, uh
in New Jersey there was a mobhitman named the Iceman, and he
was called the Iceman becausethey would kill people, put them
(09:40):
in a freezer for several months,and then thaw and then put the
so they couldn't figure out thetime of death.
It was harder for them to figureout when the person was killed
and tied to anybodyspecifically.
So like they would kill theperson and then so that was one
of his victims that was probablyin a freezer for a long time.
And yeah.
See, that's cool.
Yeah, definitely.
(10:00):
I'm not cool that the persondied.
But it's cool that I think I'mgonna keep somebody in his
freezer.
Yeah, no, so I'm gonna do thisone.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
So that bicyclist was super freaking brave to be
on said road where there are somany things that have happened.
I wouldn't have been on the freeroad.
Like, I don't really lookliterally look at that face.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
I've seen bicyclists on Clinton Road before.
SPEAKER_02 (10:18):
No, if you see Lou's face, you're like, I'm not
going.
Just look straight ahead.
Don't look at Tony.
Just keep driving.
SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
If I really wanted to, I could take a detour home
to take Clinton Road home.
SPEAKER_02 (10:28):
Yeah, no, bro, don't do it.
Maybe like this, you havesomebody don't look at the
yellow line.
Just look at the yellow line.
SPEAKER_01 (10:36):
There's some pa uh some like weird paranormal type
activity.
Like they say that you knowpeople's electronics go haywire.
They've said that they've lostchunks of time or like hours
have passed.
Why?
So like related to UFOs, yeah,or just like a portal.
Or like a like a portal or theylike time, you know?
Where all of a sudden they likego into the future.
(10:58):
Like you drive and like twohours have passed.
Like you went to like and cameback.
Yeah.
Or you just a time warp portal,like you like it puts you two
hours in the future.
Yeah, see.
So two hours.
SPEAKER_04 (11:08):
You just lost two hours that you don't even know
that you did.
C man C it always gets out ofthe way.
Yeah, you know what, Tom?
Don't go to that way, bro.
SPEAKER_01 (11:15):
They go the other way road.
Go to go to safer way.
SPEAKER_02 (11:17):
Yeah, no, no, no.
I'm gonna go to the room.
SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
There's so many like urban legends specific road.
SPEAKER_02 (11:21):
It's crazy.
Yeah, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
Pass it all the time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
Yeah.
No, no, no.
What you got, Luke?
SPEAKER_04 (11:26):
You got another one.
No, no, that's the Wendingo.
unknown (11:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:31):
See, that's another Wendigo.
The Wendigo.
I'm sorry.
Wendingo.
SPEAKER_04 (11:34):
That's that's another I ended it and then I
made it from Australia.
SPEAKER_02 (11:38):
Owendingo.
Wendingo.
But that's another version of ofof a of a Bigfoot thing, isn't
it?
What is it called again?
Win win wendigo.
Wendigo.
SPEAKER_04 (11:48):
Yeah.
Okay.
So from Al Algonquin speakingindigenous people.
Like the Cree, the Abogee, theInu.
It's not just a monster story,it's also a moral moral warning.
Traditionally, the Wind WendigoDigo represents greed and
selfishness, especially duringtimes of famine.
(12:08):
The danger of losing yourhumanity through cannibalism or
unchecked desire.
Spiritual corruption that cantwist a person beyond
recognition.
Yeah.
I never heard that.
What it looks like.
Description vary from imageryand nightmare fuel.
Gaunt skeleton, half decomposedfigure with glowing eyes.
Skin pulled tight over bones,lips often chewed away.
(12:32):
Oh god.
I've never heard thatdescription of Windigo.
Sometimes depicted with antlersor a deer like skullhead in
modern horror through the moreHollywood the original lore.
See, but in Scooby-Doo, Wendigowas more like a Bigfoot looking,
like a I remember.
I remember seeing the theantlers, like the deer antlers.
(13:00):
Always monstrously large andskeletal.
SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
See, that's funny.
I've never ever heard that's thefirst time I've heard it.
SPEAKER_04 (13:08):
Wasn't just about being eaten by one, you could
become one if you resorted tocannibalism in desperation, gave
into insatiable greed, werepossessed by the spa spirit of
one.
Once transformed, you consumewith hunger, lose your soul, and
w wander endlessly in the coldforest.
(13:30):
Wonderful.
I'm just saying.
So you basically create your ownmonster then.
Right.
Yeah.
So if you if you fall into fallinto this pattern, you actually
become one of these creatures.
Wait, so wait, how does how doyou become one again?
Because of greed.
Yeah.
Oh.
And just unsatiable desires andthings of that nature.
(13:52):
Right.
Unscrupulous stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (13:54):
All the unscrupulous stuff.
But that's when you take it tolike the super max.
You know what I mean?
That that's the idea.
You go to like that superextreme.
SPEAKER_04 (14:01):
So you can get caught up in it too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's video games for it,there's uh horror movies that
have been done about it as well.
SPEAKER_03 (14:09):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04 (14:10):
It still carries real weight in uh cautionary
tale about balance, respect, andcommunity over selfishness.
So in other words, it's notabout you, it's about all of us.
SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
We need to take care of everybody.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
I think that's one thing though,too, that, you know, for all of
us, that uh that's where the theidea came for a lot of these
things.
They're urban legends.
Yeah, sure.
You know what I'm saying?
It's the something that happenedthat, you know, you put it out
there as fear or you did it.
Cause like with the we hadspoken about in the movies, the
Blair Witch Project.
Right.
You know, that was somethingthat people used to tell their
(14:41):
kids kind of thing to, you know,don't go in the woods or she'll
get you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that kind of shit.
Don't go down that road orthey'll get you.
Right.
And then they always go down theroad.
Right, exactly.
Don't be such a greedy personand you know, or the windigo
would come and get you.
SPEAKER_04 (14:54):
Help people do the right thing.
SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (14:56):
It's such a cool legend because it works on two
levels.
Literally, monster for campfireshows and a symbolic monster
warning against greed andinhumanity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
Your stuff, man.
Yeah.
That's crazy though.
And it's and like I said, it'sit's wild because you almost
believe that you're gonna seethese things.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you go.
Wendigo.
There you go.
Wendigo.
You know, you just it's it's notWendigo.
It's Wendigo.
Wendy go, man.
Wendy go away.
I don't want to talk to you nomore.
SPEAKER_04 (15:26):
Good night, mate.
Wendigo.
What did the Wendy go?
You know what a Wendigo is.
SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
Oh my god.
I found a Wendigo.
SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
They always sound like they're I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't be mean.
Yeah, no, no.
You can't make fun of them.
That's true.
No, we could, they know.
Yeah, listen, they always soundlike they're questioning
everything.
Nothing but love, peace andwhatever.
Yeah, it was a long prosperity.
What other one we got?
SPEAKER_04 (15:50):
What about the black eyed children?
Mmm, where?
These tales started bubbling upin the nineties with kids who
looked ordinary except they havecompletely black eyes.
No whites, no iris, just abyss.
The kids usually described aswearing outdated or nonscript
clothing, such showing up atnight and asking to be let
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inside into your car, yourhouse, or even just to use the
phone.
SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
Listen, yo, usually like possession have like the
whole eye, no just super black.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (16:23):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
Yeah, no.
You need to turn around.
SPEAKER_04 (16:26):
You need to go now.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Stop spitting that does a little bit of it there.
Yeah, exactly.
You can't see on camera when yougot the the door.
For sure.
SPEAKER_04 (16:38):
The classic features of of the legend, always in
pairs of small groups, theyusually appear with two kids,
two kids together, sometimes aboy, a girl, age anywhere
between six and sixteen.
SPEAKER_02 (16:49):
See no, man.
That's not like children.
SPEAKER_04 (16:51):
Monotone and polite, but wrong vibe.
They're usually really formallylanguage, a formal language like
we need to come inside now, orit won't take long.
People describe the tone asrobotic or unsettling calm.
Yeah.
Can you imagine?
I was like, Yeah, I can'timagine.
Imagine that, Brooklyn?
No, you fucking can't.
Yeah, you can't come in here.
Where the fuck is your mother?
(17:12):
Turn around.
Get out of here.
How are you?
SPEAKER_02 (17:15):
Yeah.
Get the hell out of here.
I got something for you.
Take off my belt real quick.
SPEAKER_04 (17:19):
No, that's crazy shit, though.
Could you imagine that actuallyall can decide?
Could you imagine like somebodywalking up to the door and doing
that?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, no.
All I would do is just close thedoor and lock it up.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Police.
SPEAKER_02 (17:30):
No, police nothing, bro.
I'm calling the I'm callingsomething else.
Calling the booby.
Yeah.
No, they're gonna put me in thebooby hatch in before the cops.
Like, what are you talkingabout, sir?
There are no children.
SPEAKER_04 (17:42):
Commission obsession is what it's called.
They can lodge they can justbarge in barge in the instant
they must invite them.
They w that's why they getcompared to vampires.
Okay.
Insist that you must invitethem.
In other words, they force youto invite them in.
SPEAKER_02 (17:58):
Yeah, won won.
SPEAKER_04 (18:00):
Aren't you gonna invite me in?
No.
You know, no, right.
No.
You already know the answer.
Why asking?
SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, no, I don't know you.
No, you're sorry.
You're valid.
SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
In other like shows, like I've unlike vampire shows,
I've seen people be like, uh, Ithink it was in Trupalis.
Like, I un-invite you, andthey're like, Oh, the vampire's
gotta like go back.
SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
I never watched that.
SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
That's fucking hilarious.
He was like, he was like, Iuninvite you, and it's like his
body just started movingbackwards towards the door.
That's funny.
SPEAKER_04 (18:29):
Yeah, because it it's like a power to get them
out of it.
No shit.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:32):
Never heard that one.
That's a good one.
If a vampire ever comes in yourhouse, you accidentally.
SPEAKER_02 (18:36):
I don't invite you, uninvited.
Yeah, no, no.
Yeah.
Get out.
I wonder if I could do that topeople.
You're uninvited.
SPEAKER_04 (18:45):
Get the hell.
You're bloody bastard.
I don't like you.
Let's see.
Let's get a couple more thingshere right there.
Theories.
Paranormal.
Some say that demons, aliens,disguised, or even spirits
trying to pose as someone.
Psychological, other things.
Others think it's a mix ofsleep, paralysis, suggests Lee,
and modern folklore taking on alife of its own.
So in other words, you'redegrading yourself, right?
(19:06):
Right.
Hoax turned into legend becausethe story is spread online, step
skeptical, arguing snowballedfrom once made up tale in into
an enduring myth.
Okay.
You know?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (19:19):
But interesting stuff.
Oh, yeah, definitely, bro.
I'm still looking it up.
Again, bro, you like I said, youthink about these things, the
things that you see, you know,the stories that you hear about,
whatever.
You know, and it's so becauseyou're looking at the New York
one.
So where I used to live inNewburgh and I was driving my
bicycle at three o'clock in themorning to go to work.
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And nobody ever said anythingcrazy about it ever happening on
that road or anything.
It's called Little Britain Road.
And dude, I'm there and I hearsomething running past the
people's houses, but I can't seebecause it's dark as fuck.
Like the only I was riding,riding my bicycle in the moon,
like I was riding to work, andmy car broke down.
Okay.
And I hear something in thetrees.
(20:00):
I'm looking and I see a shadowor something, and it looked
pretty big.
And I was on a pretty, you know,on a on a mountain bike, so it
was pretty big.
The bike was was tall.
And I hear it, and I look and Ikind of like go over into like
oncoming traffic.
It's just a two-lane road.
So I crossed the yellow line andI'm like, what the hell is that?
I hear it scurry across thestreet behind me.
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So I go back over to my right,because now I'm hearing it in
the, you know, in front of thepeople's houses in the grass and
shit.
Man, somebody had a light on,like a little side light inside
of their house.
I saw this thing that wasprobably, if I was standing up,
I'm like 5'7, 5'8 if I wearheels.
And I had that thing looked likeit was up to maybe almost the
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bottom, like my bottom rib.
Like it looked like it was thattall, running on all fours.
That's a shadow I see.
I'm more like a wolf.
Bro, I started pedaling so fast,I was scared as fuck.
Yeah, no, I don't blame you,bro.
Funniest thing because then Iroll into the, I said I was
working UPS.
So I just get in there and Ijump inside and I'd be like,
they're like, what the hell'swrong with you?
I was like, oh, we can't do it.
(21:02):
They're laughing at me like youcity boys.
I'm like, city boy, my ass.
Yeah, I got up here in thewoods.
Yeah, sons of bitches.
They're fucking going to tell meabout this shit.
You have some crazy shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they said it was probablylike, you know, uh a wolf or
something like that that was outthere.
Yeah, what was out of thisbitch?
What the fuck?
Probably was.
SPEAKER_04 (21:18):
If you would describe it to be that big, it
most likely was.
SPEAKER_02 (21:20):
Listen, I had never seen the biggest.
You did the right thing, though.
SPEAKER_04 (21:22):
You got on that bike and just like.
No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
I never was on the bike.
I know that, yo, dude, I was Iwas moving.
I know.
Hell yeah.
I know I got to at least like 30miles an hour because I was
scared shit.
Yo, just leaning all the way in.
Yeah, dude, for no reasonbecause it was all uphill.
I said it was no ducking,whatever.
Frostbite on your face.
That's how bad you're going.
Hell yeah, in the middle of thesummer.
(21:45):
Middle of the summer, I wasgoing so fast I got a frostbite
on my cheeks.
Well, it's freaking hilarious.
But yeah, but like I said,again, but I don't, I mean, so
I'm I tell you the whole funnybecause I don't even know if it
was really me seeing that.
Or you're not sure.
Or it was just in my head that Iwas bugging out because, you
know, again, you could do it.
You could do it to yourself.
Yeah, I'm bugging out.
(22:05):
I've like, I've never ridden thethe i riding in the five
burrows, you know, ridingbicycle or whatever, the darkest
that it gets, you know, youmight think you see somebody
standing on a street corner orcoming out of their building.
You never see the woods likethat unless you're in riding in
the park.
Nah.
You know?
And it depends on which parkyou're riding in, you know?
Like, yeah, no, later for thatshit.
And growing up in the 80s, Idon't know if you remember, Lou,
(22:26):
that, you know, in in ProspectPark, Central Park, you know, by
me over by Sunset Park or justwhatever park.
If Van Cortland Park, peopleused to hide out in the trees
and the bushes and shit.
And if people were walking past,they still do that now.
They jump out and rob you or,you know, snatch people up or
whatever the case may be.
Right.
So, you know, here it is in myhead.
(22:47):
I'm riding down this freakingdark ass road with no street
lights, and I'm like, there'sgotta be some crazy animals in
this bitch, and then all of asudden I'm hearing shit running
through the woods.
I'm just saying, but it couldhave been in my life.
SPEAKER_04 (22:58):
No, it probably wasn't.
You probably heard something.
Your instincts were probablyright on.
SPEAKER_02 (23:05):
Yeah.
Freaking insane.
No doubt.
That's too much.
You got another one?
SPEAKER_04 (23:09):
Yeah, I I found another one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
So we got the Michigan dogmen.
I've heard of it.
First reported in 1887 nearWexford County, Michigan.
Described as a seven foot tall,blue-eyed, bipedal, canine
creature, basically a terrifyingmashup of man and wolf.
Oh no, I don't know that one.
Witnesses often say it's thebody of a man, but it's head of
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a dog or wolf.
See.
And it runs on two legs.
SPEAKER_02 (23:36):
I'm D'Zane.
SPEAKER_04 (23:37):
With unnatural speed.
The legend picked up steam inthe late twentieth century,
especially after local radio DJwrote a spooky bail ballad about
it in 1987 as a joke, and thenpeople started flooding the
station with actual sightings.
Of course.
Once you put the you know, youput it in somebody's head.
That's what I'm saying.
You just start seeing shit.
(23:58):
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it could happen, youknow.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,dude.
I'm your own worst enemy.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (24:04):
Exactly.
Exactly.
It supposedly appears every tenyears ending in 79, 1987, 1997,
2007.
People claim that they've seenit in the woods or lonely
highways were near cabins innorthern Michigan.
Browse, Howells, and GlowingEyes in the Dark are its calling
(24:26):
cards.
Isn't that where that show was,Northern Michigan?
Can you imagine Michigan?
Seeing Red Eyes or Glowing Eyesin the Dark?
Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01 (24:31):
The one where the one race with the guy in the
card.
The guy from the Hangover is notHangover.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Ozark?
Ozark, yeah.
Ozark.
Yeah.
No, that was um Jason Bateman.
Yeah, Jason Bateman.
SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
He plays a good Ozark's Northern Michigan.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
He plays a good bad guy.
Or is that scary?
He's kind of scary.
Yeah, the super fucking scary.
But I don't know.
I don't even know I don't knowwhere Ozarks are.
I think it's in that area.
SPEAKER_04 (24:55):
Why are you bringing that up, by the way?
I don't guess.
SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
I'm just trying to picture my head what that area
looks like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sure.
SPEAKER_04 (25:10):
Imagine I would like to know what the Arab Smith's
should look one up, Tom.
One in Canada.
See what the Aerobin Smith is inCanada.
If there is a good one.
unknown (25:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:17):
I'm telling you, I bet you there is.
Guarantee it.
You're already in uh what youcall it?
SPEAKER_02 (25:22):
Yeah.
In chat.
Yeah, dude.
I'm telling you, man.
SPEAKER_04 (25:27):
Another northern legend is my dig is the Manitou
of the Great Lakes.
What a spirit and said is tocause storms or drownings.
What was it called again?
I'm sorry.
The Manitou.
Manitou, okay.
Or Tao.
It's C O U.
SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
In New York?
SPEAKER_04 (25:42):
Yeah.
And then the White Lady ofRochester, New York.
A ghostly woman searching for alost child near lake.
I've heard of this one.
Yeah.
The Northern Light Spirit inInuit stories say that Aurora of
the Souls of the Dead playinggames in the sky.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
So wait, which one was the chick again?
What's her name?
White lady.
The white lady.
Okay, so see, so now that's whatI was telling you before that I
said I would see some that wouldend up switching because there's
one in Spanish.
So now this one I've heard inMexico about being in Mexico.
About the white eyes.
La Jordona is what it's called.
So that she's looking for kidsand lost kids and stuff like
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that.
And it's a woman that's weeping.
SPEAKER_04 (26:22):
Sometimes they would see them in the s her in the
cemetery.
SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
Ah, yes.
Yes.
I I mean I could just talk aboutlike I mean, there's so many
urban legends in New Jersey.
Well, just talk away, my friend.
SPEAKER_02 (26:32):
We'll have uh we'll go down one.
We'll just go.
Wait, wait.
You didn't have another one?
Oh no.
But you did you you still yousaid that?
Well, I was gonna do because Isaid you know, we'd do the ones
in PR and then we'll go back tothe book.
So I said, so La Llorona is theone we said the same thing as
the lady in white, you know,that she sees that she's crying
for kids and stuff, and peoplesee her or they'll hear her
(26:53):
first and they turn around andthen boom, you know, she's right
there.
Another crossover is Chupacabra.
That's I think.
You know, because I heard aboutChupacabra first.
That's in PR though, right?
But I heard it in Texas.
They do have it in Texas.
Right.
So I heard it about in Texasfirst.
That's like years ago when I,you know, first heard about it.
And then I hear later on, like,you know, digging more, that it
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was something that came out ofPuerto Rico and, you know, got
here in the United States.
Then it came into the UnitedStates, and then it was in in
Mexico, so in South America andMexico.
Like it was just in all thoseplaces, and then it was
mutilating the uh cattlelivestock as a whole and stuff
like that.
So I I had heard it, you know,from different places, but I
heard about it in Texas first.
Oh I'm sorry, heard about itfrom out of Texas first.
(27:38):
So I mean, it it's just it'sit's insane.
Uh then they had what's theother one I just saw here?
The devil's sentry box.
So this one is under um CastilloSan Cristobal in San Juan, and
that they that this sentry boxis believed to have a haunted,
it's being haunted by spiritualsoldiers that vanished without a
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trace.
So, like, you know, in the fortsand stuff that are around the
island.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of forts.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like I was telling you guysthe story earlier when I was in
PR last year, we had gone intoEl Moho, that's the big fort
that you see on TV andeverything else like that.
And I went into one of thesentry towers into the thing,
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because you know, you go inthere and take pictures and you
can see the view and everythingelse with it.
It was so cold in there, and itfelt so cold.
Was it were you walking ininside of stone?
Yeah, it was in it.
So the whole the the whole fortis made out of stone, rock.
Yeah, you know, brick kind ofthing.
And but it was I said it was thesentry box.
Like, you know, the soldierswould stand there and they could
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look out into the water to seeif anybody was treating the
boats and shit or whatever.
That's creepy.
And Puerto Rico was like fucking80, 85 degrees, you know what
I'm saying?
Going in, it's like it was coldand heavy.
Like I just felt like almostnervous.
And I hadn't even walked out,like gone, I didn't even walk
out because it's super small.
And I didn't even go over to theslot in the wall in the wall to
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look out.
To look out andor down.
Like I could just see straightahead, but I couldn't see like
straight down.
Man, I was like, like, you know,kind of like grabbing my
catching my breath, and I'd backout and I tell my friend's wife,
I'm like, bro, you gotta seethat.
She went in there and she like,I like she just kind of like
felt it too.
And then I went back and said,like, you know, you know, like
(29:23):
telling the whatever was inthere, like, yo, you know, you
don't have to be here, you know,none of that stuff is happening
anymore, whatever it was.
And I felt it get lighter whileI was in there.
I didn't do a prayer, I didn'tsay, you know, oh God, please
pass it.
And I didn't do none of that.
I was just like, yo, you canleave and spoke to like what I'm
gonna say in my head, believedto be the ghost anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
They say if if you see a ghost or you know there's
pr ghost present in the room,they say, like, you know, you're
just you're supposed to like letthem know that like need to move
on.
SPEAKER_04 (29:52):
Yeah, everything is good.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:53):
Listen, I'm not here to disturb you or upset you.
Yeah, it's bananas, bro.
And this one I hadn't heardbefore.
For El Hacho, a spectral redlight scene in the mountains of
Ponce.
This legend tells of a man whohas lost his soul from burning a
cross and must now eternallysearch for its ashes.
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Like that's one of those.
There was another one like that.
I don't know if you heard it.
Like the guy was looking for hislike body parts or something
like that.
It wasn't like the mummy.
It was something that he hadgotten cut up.
Oh, the headless horseman is thesame thing.
Oh.
He lost his head and now he'sgot a big thing.
Yeah, that is an urban legend.
Right, exactly.
So it was the same idea, youknow what I mean?
Up in the Tarrytown over there.
Right.
Yeah.
(30:34):
Tarrytown.
Yep.
The gargoyle.
SPEAKER_00 (30:37):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Didn't we go there for one ofthe Halloween?
Sleepy Howl.
Yeah, we went over there for theHalloween shit.
SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
Sleepy How is an actual town.
Yeah, it's Tarry Town.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
It's right by there.
The gargoyle, a more recenturban legend from 2018, a
two-legged winged creaturesmelling of sulfur was
reportedly seen in Barcelonita,leading leading to attempts to
capture it.
So like I said, this is one ofthose things where, you know,
the monkeys, you know, runningaround in the in the woods.
So you think it might besomething that's it could be
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something like that.
That's progressed.
So now I know about, you know,this is just some little quickie
ones that I, you know, was goingthrough and looking at, you
know, of you know, urban legendsand stuff like that.
But I know, I so we look for themeaning.
People look for theunderstanding why, where.
They said that originallyChupacabra was, and the
conspiracy theory is that therewas the government that was on
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the island.
They were mixing with dogs.
They were cross-breeding, theywere cross-breeding, they were
mixing genetically, enhancing,and doing all that other shit on
the earth.
SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
I had some island adopted on road type.
Right.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
So now here's the other shit.
So people that know and haveheard these stories, many, many,
many moons ago.
I'm talking like, you know, 50,60 years ago or more, you know
what I mean?
Well, actually, way more thanthat, because I'm talking like
60s, 50s, 60s, 70s and stuff.
And, you know, when, you know,everybody we were in wars and
stuff like that, and you know,setting up for what, you know,
we as the United States or justevery other country was thinking
(32:02):
about what was going to happen,they had a secret base in Puerto
Rico because there is militarypresence in Puerto Rico.
Right.
You know, like if people didn'tknow, it's one of the biggest
satellite dishes there that theyhave it aimed up at the uh in
the middle of the rainforestthat's aimed up into space and
they're listening and lookingand watching all these things
right from the island into therebecause you know it's on the
middle of the rain.
(32:23):
So, with all that being said,they had always said and seen
that, you know, men in blackwould keep you out.
Almost like Area 51.
Right.
So when you tried to go intocertain places, like they let
you go and you did, you know,that part of the of the
rainforest and go on the hikingand you know, the theory and
shit like that.
But you can't come over herebecause then they would do it.
My aunt, rest in peace, she saidshe had been out there one time
(32:46):
with a friend.
And she was showing him around,and he was from Florida.
And when she takes him outthere, that they had gotten too
close because she didn't pay nomind to where they were, she was
just showing them stuff, andthat they got too close to where
there was a military base in themiddle of the woods, at the
jungle, I'm sorry, and that theywere like, You guys can't be
here, you gotta go.
And that after that, they keptseeing the men in black profile
(33:08):
and them around the island tomake sure that they were who
they said they were when theystopped them in the jungle.
Right, right.
You know what I'm saying?
But like I said, that's youknow, again, if it's legend or
you know, urban legend orwhatever in Puerto Rico, it was
still that, you know, wholeidea.
Well, it comes from somewhere,right?
I mean, and that's what I'msaying.
SPEAKER_04 (33:23):
You know, there's just people really seeing
something, are they making itup?
Right there's something elsehappening that we don't know
about.
Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
So many, so many differentthings you can come up with.
Yeah.
That's what makes it so cool.
SPEAKER_02 (33:34):
Yeah.
See, and then like even vampirestuff, the Morca vampire, the
chupacabra legend has earlierroots in the 70s, vampire of
Morca incident where numerousfarm animals were killed by the
similar thing.
So different name, same thing.
You know, so that's probably whyit was that you know they
changed the set, then everybodyknew the chupacabra was
traveling, like he had apassport or whatever.
(33:54):
Who was getting around?
Yeah.
See the devil the devil's sentrybox, the legend is connected to
the historic forts of old SanJuan, like I was saying before,
and such as San Castillo SanCastillo, San oh my god, geez,
sorry.
Castillo San Um Cristobal, youknow, just about the sentries,
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the guards.
And when you go into El Morro,the fort, like I said in San
Juan, and you are walking, whenthey start telling you the
stories, all everything is likeopen.
They still have where thekitchen was, and everything that
we said was in is in is rock,you know, it's all stone when
they built the fort.
And they still have where thekitchen was, they still have the
(34:36):
jail cells, like everything isstill up.
I mean, open as far as like theydon't have all the the gates
aren't there and such, but youcould still feel, see, like it's
crazy.
Again, Puerto Rico's hot.
Right.
And you still feel like you feela chill in there.
SPEAKER_04 (34:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (34:50):
It's insane.
You walk out of the fort, yeah,dude, you do.
Because of all the shit thathappened to there.
The slaves that were there, thethe you know, just the soldiers,
the fighting, you know, whateverlittle wars, battles, and stuff
that they had.
Dude, bro, yeah, it's heavy withall that stuff.
And it's through the wholefreaking place, isn't it you
know, it's just it's it's wild,man.
They got some cool ones.
(35:10):
They got some cool ones.
Go ahead, Tom.
You said that you had some otherones.
SPEAKER_01 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Just like I said, Jersey is justfilled with urban legends.
In fact, there's so many urbanlegends, there was a like
magazine in New Jersey calledWeird New Jersey that would be
filled with I mean, not justurban legends, it had some other
stuff like like people who arejust like these regular just
(35:36):
like strange people and strangethings that you see in towns.
But anyway, so there's alwaysurban legends.
And one of the urban legendsthat it's funny is it's it's in
a town you wouldn't expect itin, and like they the cops there
like really give people hardtime because it's a it's like
one of the wealthiest towns inthe United States is Alpine, New
Jersey.
Uh Alpine, New Jersey's in likenorth like northern Bergen
(36:00):
County, but like it's likenorthern, like super east.
Like it's like along the HudsonRiver.
It's like a s it look it's likeif you replaced suburban
neighborhoods with a little bitmore property and just mansions,
it's like mansion, mansion,mansion, mansion, mansion,
mansion.
Anyway, so they got this thing,I think it's like the town the
section the section of thattown's called Rio Grande or
(36:22):
something.
I don't know, but or Rio Vista,that's what it is.
Rio Vista.
You go to the Rio Vista section,there is a tower called, I don't
know, it's just a tower, butpeople call it Devil's Tower.
And suppose if you drive aroundit backwards three times or
something like that, you'll likea lady in white will appear,
like we were talking aboutbefore.
So it's like they're mixing,they're mixing it.
(36:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like in that neighborhood,you'd be doing that shit.
Those cops will be there sofucking fast because like, you
know, they don't want people togo in there and doing it.
Yeah, it's a fucking upscalewealthy neighborhood.
They paid the cops to like keeppeople out.
You know what I mean?
Like we don't need people cominghere and doing that.
Especially a bunch of teenagers.
I did it.
But anyway.
(37:03):
That is crazy.
We did it real fast.
I didn't drive around itbackwards three times, but I did
drive around it a couple times.
SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
And I was like, let's get the f yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
You know, that's crazy.
See, I wouldn't do it, but Iwouldn't dare to do that.
Like, even when I was a kid andwhile I pushed the envelope.
Yeah, I'm I just never even likeI never ponsoned the idea to
turn around and do any of thatshit.
I never did the candy man.
You know, the Beetlejuice we didthe Beetlejuice because it was
just funny, but you know, neverdid the candy man, never did the
Bloody Mary.
(37:29):
My cousin did, she did it.
There's no reason to make it theBloody Mary.
I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
I'm good, man.
SPEAKER_01 (37:34):
There's I'm good.
There's also, and this I passthis almost like three to four
times a week.
I pass in Whykoff, there's EwingAve.
There's an exit ramp on Route208, and it's called Gravity
Hill.
And you go down it.
See, and an urban legend is isthat there was like a girl who
(37:56):
was like hit by a car orsomething like that, and she's
stopping you from going.
So you feel the force pull youback up.
And if you put your car neutral,car goes back uphill.
Right.
Yeah.
It really does.
Oh wow, that's crazy.
But you know what it is.
It's an optical illusion.
Yeah, exactly.
Because you're actually goinguphill, but the way the
(38:18):
landscape is curved.
You're really going downhill,yeah.
It looks like you're goingdownhill.
Right.
So you actually feel like likeyour car is like because you're
going downhill, but it lookslike you're going uphill.
That's crazy.
So you feel the or are yougoing, I mean you're going
uphill.
But it looks like you're goingdownhill.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (38:37):
So it feels like your car is like the lotion you
get to when you're in trafficand you feel like the you're
moving when the truck goes andyou're not and you're staying
still.
Yeah, it's not.
SPEAKER_01 (38:46):
It's sort of like that, but with like the
direction of height.
Right.
The way the landscape is set.
It just looks and the andthere's like shit throws you off
on that.
It's banks on both sides.
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
So it looks like you're going down downhill, but
you're going to be able to doit.
You're really going uphill.
Yeah.
So when you're driving regular,it's like you're going uphill.
If you put the car in neutral,it's really rolling back down
the hill.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I was telling youabout with the kids on the
train, on the train thing.
So you know what I mean?
It's because of the way that thetracks are, how it is, and how
(39:18):
the road is over the track,like, you know, that they just
it looks that you're just reallyrolling off of it.
It's not that there's reallyghosts pushing you.
Right, right.
Or some kind of entity.
Yeah, I'm not knocking anybody'sbelief about it or whatever, you
know, about that particular one,because I saw it, like I said, I
saw it on TV and the car waskind of sitting there, and then
they made the horn sound of thetrain coming and the car started
(39:39):
to move.
So take it how you wanna, youknow, watching it on TV, you
know, just to get people towatch.
Yeah, whatever.
It's one of them things.
SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
There's also in Tottawa, they there was in New
Jersey, there was a thing calledMidgetville.
And there was a rumor that therewas this section around by this
like curve of like houses formidgets.
And like you go and they're liketiny houses.
They're all super, and that'sbefore tiny homes were cool.
Like they were tiny homes, butthey're like low-income housing.
(40:09):
Like people don't realizethey're like they're like single
rooms.
Glorified sheds.
You know what I mean?
Like they're bigger than sheds,you know what I mean?
But like they're like super, youknow, like yeah, like one room,
uh one bathroom house, you know,one smoke.
Anyway, so like the legend is ifyou go in there, the midgets
will come out and start throwingrocks at your cars and fucking
destroy your cars.
It's like, but that will happenif you go in there and start,
(40:32):
but if they're not midgets, butlike because people fucking
getting pissed, you go in thereand you're honking your horn and
being an ass.
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, you start doing shit atyou, you know.
And then but then there's thisthere's another urban legend
from there that someone waschased out of there, and there
was a girl on a prom night whogot who was walking down the
road and a car hit her becausethey were rushing out of there
(40:52):
being chased by it.
And so on that curve, someonepainted blood, paint put red
paint and shit like that.
So they like really laid intoit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the late 90s.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:03):
That's hilarious, man.
I'm telling you, this just andand it's crazy because of how
the human psyche, bro, the mindjust works to like you see it
all of a sudden, you're hearingit, you know.
I I don't even know if I toldyou guys this one.
Now I'm laughing because it'sit's we're talking about this
shit now.
A couple of weeks ago, I wasdoing my two o'clock in the
morning run, and I'm coming downthis one road, and I only have
(41:25):
one of my passengers in the car.
And when I turned coming out oftheir parking area, and I start
to go down the road, I shit younot, bro.
I saw somebody standing aboutmaybe 50 yards in front of me in
the middle of the road.
And I'm like trying to turn thewipers on to see if I really saw
it.
And then a headlight came frombehind me and uh it went away.
(41:45):
And then even when the car hadturned, the car behind me had
turned off to where it wasgoing, the image didn't come
back.
Or the person that thought I sawit.
And I was stopped, bro.
I was stopped because I waslike, what the fuck is that?
Panicked.
Panicked.
Well, not panicked panicked, butI got scared like it sent the
chip.
I'm respiring, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
That's crazy, man.
Also, really, what when cooksay, I mean little people, not
midget.
I use the term measure becauseuh that was the word.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
That's what they were saying for the time, right?
That is hilarious, man.
Yeah, these are always fun, bro.
I love this.
I'm having fun with this uhHalloween stuff.
This is this is really groovyshit.
What remember, guys, real quick?
The Mothman?
Mothman, yes.
That was the word.
It all began.
SPEAKER_04 (42:23):
Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 1966 through 1967.
It's where the legend exploded.
First sighting of a group ofgravediggers saw a man like
figure with wings flying overthem.
Shortly after, two young couplesreported a giant winged creature
with glowing red eyes chasingtheir car near an old TNT plant,
(42:44):
a World War II ammunition site.
SPEAKER_03 (42:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (42:47):
Local newspaper dubbed his Mothman, riffing off
the popular popularity of Batmanat the time.
That's funny.
I thought Mothman was uh wasolder than that.
unknown (42:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (42:58):
Uh you know what I mean?
It makes sense though.
It seems like hundreds of peoplein the area reported strange
encounters, a huge gray humanoidwith wingspan of ten feet or
more, eyes glowing red liketaillights, flying silently,
sometimes keeping pace with carsat high speeds, people who
reported weird electricaldisturbances, UFOs, and strange
(43:18):
phone calls around the sametime.
SPEAKER_03 (43:20):
Mm-hmm.
unknown (43:21):
See?
SPEAKER_04 (43:21):
Good stuff.
Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_02 (43:23):
Yeah, that is freaking great.
I love this shit.
It's just fun.
It's fun.
But I'm enjoying this hauntedOctober, bro.
Yeah, Halloween.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
Some of my favorite uh holiday.
SPEAKER_02 (43:35):
Yeah.
I've gotten into it.
I've gotten into it more.
I never paid no mind.
SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
I like other holidays too.
I'm not saying it I'm not sure.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no,yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
I love the festivess of the whole thing.
Yeah.
I love all the macabre, youknow, the dark.
SPEAKER_02 (43:49):
Yeah.
Right, right.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
You know, because then you thinkabout it.
This is when you turn around,you're watching all the ghost
hunting shows and stuff likethat throughout the s you know,
throughout the year.
And you know they do somethingspecial to start more.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Well, I'm saying to like horror punk exclusively.
Yeah, you see what I'm saying.
I listened to some newer oneslike Wednesday 13th.
That's a good uh horror punkband.
SPEAKER_02 (44:09):
You see?
But yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like even now, I have thethe whatchouquatz in my car.
I have a skeleton mask, uh,anime mask, uh Ichigo's uh
hollow mask.
I got that.
I got a skeleton in my backseat, so you know, it's all fun.
I love it.
But with that, thank you guysfor listening.
Appreciate all of y'all forbeing here with us.
Love, peace, and hair grease.
Live long and prosper.
And stay spooky.
SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
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