May 4, 2025 • 44 mins
For true Star Wars fans, the lore runs deeper than what most casual moviegoers see on screen. Celebrating May the 4th, we take a passionate deep dive into the mythology that has captivated generations, with special focus on Revenge of the Sith as it marks its 20th anniversary.
The conversation kicks off with our recent theater experience watching Episode III in immersive D-Box seats, where the opening battle sequence over Coruscant literally moves you through the action. We explore why this film stands as the emotional cornerstone of the prequel trilogy, delivering the pivotal transformation from Anakin to Vader that the previous two films had been building toward.
From there, we venture into the fascinating minutiae that make Star Wars unique. Did you know that Sith must kill a Jedi, take their lightsaber crystal, and "bleed" it with hatred to create their signature red blades? Or that Obi-Wan mastered Form II (Soresu) lightsaber combat, giving him defensive capabilities that proved crucial against Anakin on Mustafar's high ground?
The discussion explores lingering questions about Order 66 and how many Jedi truly survived, the enigmatic Mortis gods who embody different aspects of the Force, and whether Anakin's redemption truly balances out his atrocities as Vader. We speculate about unproduced Vader series concepts, how Dave Filoni has masterfully expanded canon, and the exciting possibilities for expanding the mythology in upcoming Star Wars media.
Whether you're a casual fan or someone who can name every lightsaber form, this episode celebrates what makes Star Wars endure: its deep mythology, complex characters, and the eternal struggle between light and dark. Join us as we geek out about a galaxy far, far away, and share your own Star Wars theories and favorite moments with us!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy
podcast what's up, guys?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
we just did this for about 10 minutes and realized my
fucking stupid ass didn't hitthe record button.
So we're starting over.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're talking about Star Wars because today we're
recording the.
We're talking about Star Warsbecause today we're recording
the podcast episode dropsWednesday.
So this past Sunday was StarWars Day, so we're going to do a
Star Wars episode May 4th.
May the 4th.
Be with you, yeah, yeah.
(00:42):
So you know, this past weekend,uh, I went with chase.
We went to go see, uh, revengeof the sith.
Uh, it was really really good.
We saw it in the cinemarktheaters.
They have, uh, what's thosed-box seats?
and you remember the d-box seats, um, the what I was talking
about before I've been on thesimulators in certain parks like
a simulator ride, but they haveit for movies now and that is
(01:05):
so fucking awesome because Ithat's something I always loved
as a kid and I was always like,imagine if they did this with
movies and now they're doing it.
I mean it is you do pay apremium seat because the seats
and they're all and of coursethey're in like the best area
too, they're like middle section, they probably tested it and
checked it out where it feltbest to do it right, it costs
(01:25):
like $25 a seat, but you don'tsee every movie in it you see
movies that are worth seeing,and Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Wasn't there an anniversary that just came up
with them?
Was that recent An anniversarywith Star Wars, yeah that's now
20 years.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh nice.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
How crazy, that is.
Crazy man.
That is 20 years old.
Wow, I remember when that wasout, wow, wow, it seems like
yesterday and that's my favoritemovie, but that's my favorite
of the Star Wars movie.
But first I want to get intohow awesome it was with those
D-Box seats, because the firstscene is when they're flying
over Coruscant.
Right, they, it's, they're justlike every time you move and it
(02:10):
crashes into general grievous'sship and it's like you know he
goes nice.
What does he say?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
he goes another perfect landing, or something
like that right and you feel allof that when you're doing that
right it's, it's cool, it's coolthat's awesome.
Yeah, no, that's great man, andthat story alone, like what we
were saying earlier, is one ofthe best movies.
It is.
That one is a really good one.
You were saying.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And your favorite for the reason it is your favorite.
You were explaining before.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Please explain again so the reason it's my favorite
Star Wars movie is because it'sgot the best story it really
does.
It's such a good story thatthey had to have two prequels
for it, because episode one andtwo, if you think about it, are
actual, like they're preludes tothe third one.
The third one is the importantone.
(02:57):
The first one is all worldbuilding, because you need to.
You have to start the story,you have to create all these
characters.
You got to world build the shitout of it right.
Then episode two is whereyou're starting to get the plot
of the clone wars.
They got understand what'shappening here.
They start and that's like thestart of the clone wars, why
they got the clone wars going,and the clone wars are the
(03:18):
reason for emperor palpatine ora senator palpatine at the time
he gets Anakin's older by thistime To take over power for
Chancellor, saying that thecurrent Chancellor doesn't know
what he's doing.
They're going to take overChancellor and then, with the
Clone Wars, he gets emergencypower and never leaves office
because, oh well, the Clone Wars, we can't, I can't leave power
now.
I got to stay here, andorganize this.
And he's doing all you know him, and what's his name?
(03:48):
Oh my God, why am I having totip my tongue, darth Tyrannus?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, darth Tyrannus.
Yeah, but I never know that.
What's his name.
That's okay.
I couldn't even help you if Iwant to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But anyway they get they.
You know they start the wholeClone Wars and then that's, and
then Because Anakin you see thefall of Anakin.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
He's older by this time.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah yeah, he's older.
You see the fall and he's stillthe Padawan.
He's got the ponytail Right.
Padawans have the ponytail youknow, the.
What did I say about Anakin?
His downfall, yeah, hisdownfall.
You get to see the scene whenyou know his mom gets killed by
the Tusken Raiders and he takesout the entire like clan of
(04:29):
Tusken Raiders.
But he also kills the.
He goes.
I killed the women and childrentoo.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And that's when you know.
That's his first taste of themovie, and who?
Was he telling that to?
When he said that Padme oh,remember.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, that's right, and she forgave him for it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, that's the only plot hole, I think, because
she's like oh like she's like,because I guess of who the
people was, that humanitariantype person like she's like all
for like, good and like right,but in this case she was okay
yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You just killed a bunch of women and children.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I'll stay with you.
I'll marry you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Nobody's going to miss those people, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Fuck them sand people .
For me, that's basically that'sexactly.
They're just sand people.
Who cares?
That's what they are.
They're fucking racist.
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
For me it was just.
That was just greatchoreography, the way they did
that and it was just a battle.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It was awesome and that's the thing I'll recap
again because I talked aboutthat.
Uh, our first recording, right?
He says, like he says it's over, anakin, I have the higher
ground.
And the reason why Anakin doesthat, that move where he wants
to flip over, is because he isbeing super cocky.
He wants to use Obi-Wan's movethat he used to kill Darth Maul
(05:57):
in Episode I.
When he does that flip and thenkills Darth Maul, that way,
he's trying to do the same thingto Obi-Wan, the person he saw
do it, or heard the same thingto obi-wan, the person he saw do
it, or heard the story of himdoing, because he wasn't there,
I don't um, and because he wasstill a kid then right, um, so
he does that move.
But the problem is he said it'sover, anakin, I have the higher
(06:18):
ground, so you have, you know.
You know obi-wan's up here,he's below him, and Anakin's
down here.
He's got the higher ground, sohe does that jump, but he loses.
Most of his jump is in front ofObi-Wan and then by the time
he's over Obi-Wan.
He just doesn't have.
He's as high of a jump andObi-Wan slices off his arms and
(06:38):
legs.
Right, that's crazy.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And then he catches on fire, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and he loses his mind.
Yep, yeah, that was a goodscene.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You were a brother, Anakin.
I loved you.
I hate you.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, that was crazy.
But here's the thing aboutCrazy Thing at Basava.
I don't want to jump ahead, butyeah.
Like when the whole story right, and how George Lucas explains
the whole story right and how,um, george lucas lucas explains
it in the sense where you knowit's about, you know skywalker
coming and saving, remember they, I guess because the kid was so
high on the chart for being youknow with the force.
(07:17):
Um m count right for the forcecount yeah and he was the one to
put balance into it.
But, and long story short, hewinds up doing that anyway.
But he does it as Darth Vader,he doesn't do it as Anakin.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So here's the thing, but still does that give him a
pass on all the shit that he did.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
As far as the people and everybody he took out, I
don't know if it does becausehe's in living force again, and
I have a theory behind this.
So I want to discuss this.
Okay, because I've had thistheory for a while and I think
it's well explained if you watchthe Ahsoka series.
So he does fulfill the prophecyof restoring balance to the
(08:02):
force, but balance didn't meanuh, destroying the sith balance,
you know, or or or meant, youknow, uh actually being he's
like the first after death, he'slike the first gray jedi.
Okay, and I know that's thething is is that he is balanced.
Now he is equal darth vader andhe is equal Anakin Skywalker,
(08:25):
and they show that in if youwatch the uh.
So, guys, you see the changewhen she's in, she's in the
world between worlds, which theythey never show a live action.
It's the first time they showedthe world between worlds and
live action.
They showed it in rebels, Um,and I I don't know if they
(08:46):
showed it in the Clone Wars.
It was definitely in Rebelsthough, Okay, and you know, it's
kind of like the world.
So you know, I guess people canvisit each other in the
afterlife, or it is theafterlife, I'm that almost sure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Isn't that the same thing that when Obi-Wan told?
I mean, when Yoda told Obi-Wanthat he was going to teach him
how to communicate to his master?
Yeah, qui-gon, um that he wasgoing to teach him how to, yeah,
communicate to his, uh, his,master.
Yeah, qui-gon, qui-gon, thankyou.
Yes, uh, so wouldn't that bethe same?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
thing because they're in that well, they can appear
as force ghosts, but she'sactually in the world between
right, okay, um, so she.
You know, he switches back andforth from anakin to darth vader
.
Sometimes it's just he's, uh,he's.
I call anakin vader when he'snot in the suit, right, you know
what I mean.
He's got the yellow eyes.
And then there's another scene.
You see him when he's walkingaway like flashes.
(09:33):
You see Vader holding him.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right, you see the red and then you see his face,
the mask, yeah.
So they did that really well.
They did that really well.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So he's like balanced , he's you, they did that really
well.
So he's like balanced, he's youknow, he's, he's um, he, you
know he's, does both he's.
He's darkness, uh, imbued bylight, and light tempered by
darkness.
He's like equal, you know whatI mean.
So that's his, his what youknow, he found his happy medium
and he brought balance to theforce right, you know he still
(10:01):
did it, but it wasn't in the waythat everybody thought it was
gonna be right.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Like you know, he's gonna bring balance.
But how is he gonna bringbalance?
Nobody really took that.
I think Yoda knew that, causehe felt like something didn't
feel right to him from thebeginning.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh, yeah, he was not having it and Mace Windu didn't
trust him.
Yet he's the one.
But we do not grant you amaster.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Wow, hey, they felt something man.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Did they do that on purpose as far as not granting,
because they felt like somethingwasn't?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
right?
Well, he was so young yet, andthey never made someone so young
, Right he was so young.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So how old does someone have to be when they're-
?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
To be on the council?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
No, no, not on the council, but to be a master.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh yeah, probably that too, but he was like very
powerful fast track.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But you know he was very cocky and very you know
Right, but they knew that's, youknow it's cool, blah, blah.
Well, what about the storyabout?
Um?
Oh, what's the character in inthe same movie where he gets his
(11:14):
hand cut off?
He's fighting?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
uh, palpatine oh uh, that's episode two, right, no
three when he falls out thewindow, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
oh, you're talking about window.
Yeah, yeah, that's you'retalking about window.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, itwas fighting palpatine.
Yeah, yeah, sorry, I gotconfused.
Yeah, that's, that's episodethree.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Right, that's so what happens to him is there?
Is there ever going to be astory about that at all?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
at some point left to open-ended because because you
don't know if he's dead or alivejedi, can you know they can
slow down their falls and justbecause he got his hand cut off
doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It was his hand, right.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, they show him in the Clone Wars doing some
crazy jump too, mace Windu.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Really.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, like off a freaking cliff.
They used the force to slowthem down and he could have
landed on a moving car orsomething like that.
They left it open-ended.
They should do a story on them.
You know a moving, you know car, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So they left it open-ended.
Okay, they should do a story onthem.
They should do it and see whatdoes he become, what does he
wind?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
up doing.
It's great too now, because youknow Samuel L Jackson's a lot
older now, so they can have ityears later and someone who
plays him younger.
No, no, no, they can have itlike maybe he makes an
appearance in like themandalorian series, you know
something like that and he'solder, because that would be
he'd be aged perfectly.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
oh, you think so yeah , yeah, okay okay, yeah, it's
like 20 years later yeah, yeah,okay, that's right exactly, you
do the math too I um, you knowI'm such a nerd.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I use chat and I write, I write.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're in good company, my friend.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I write alternate stories or sometimes I write I'm
like I talk to Epitaph likethey need to do a Vader series
and we actually wrote like a,like a four season.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Isn't there a Vader series coming out?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I thought I saw something on yeah yeah.
I thought I saw something onyeah yeah, because there's a lot
of fan-made stuff.
They do a lot of fan-made stuff, ben, I was like, imagine, if
they come out with Avengers,it's got to be from the official
Disney or Star Wars.
That would be a good series.
Would you watch that?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, of course you would right.
Yeah, like I said, I wrote awhole.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You're out of your mind, I'm out of my mind.
What do you get this time whereyou're actually?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
writing four seasons.
You know, sometimes are youdictating this to somebody or to
chat gpt is that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
yeah, I just tell them what I want.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Chat gpt to like outline that's awesome to this.
So, like the first episode Itake from the comic book where,
like the sith, you know the partof the sith lore and they added
that, uh, that was like itwasn't from the original trilogy
.
They really don't explain itmuch, but they, you know, in
order to get a red lightsaberyou have to, as a Sith, kill a
(13:54):
Jedi.
Without having a lightsaber,you can't have a lightsaber.
Oh, so you have to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It's almost like proving yourself to them yeah
they actually?
I think they portray that wasit like an initiation or
something they portray that?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
in the series that didn't do well.
The um Acolyte okay, theyactually portray that in the
Acolyte you're supposed to killa uh Jedi without a lightsaber,
right okay take their lightsaber, bleed the crystal and now you
have a red lightsaber wow,that's fucked up.
And to bleed the crystal you'resupposed to like pour all your
(14:25):
hate and anger into it and itcracks and turns red what is?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
what about the opposite way, when a Jedi kills
a Sith for the first time, isthere anything?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
no, let's just say they don't have any, yeah, but
but the Sith have like thiswhole lore, like that's what
kind of makes it badass, likeyou go kill a Jedi, take their
crystal and bleed, then how didVader get his wrench saber?
You don't see that, but in thecomic book that's what happens.
He kills somebody Palpatinesends him to go kill, he's got
(14:57):
to kill a Jedi and bleed thecrystal, right?
So if I were to write this, sowhen I like did this whole thing
, I wrote, like a whole thing onit, I, I wrote on it um, it's
door open for oh anyway no, youcan't.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You keep talking, I'm so no, no, um.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you know in the comic book he does that.
You get to see him do that.
So like I did that if they,that'd be so awesome if they
showed that.
Like in the very first episode,first episode, like at the end
of the episode I have it wherehe bleeds the crystal and he
just the lightsaber turns on andglows his whole face and then
it cuts to the end.
How awesome would that be for apilot episode at the end, you
(15:35):
know he does this whole thingwhere he just fights a Jedi,
kills a Jedi, bleeds the crystaland then does that.
So but yeah, and like it wouldbe so awesome if they did that.
Like the first series.
You know there's about 17 yearsin between episode three and
four or something like that.
Really, 17 or 19 years, that'sa lot of story writing for Vader
(15:57):
.
You do like two seasons on that, right, and then another two
seasons that take place inbetween episode four and six and
you can see some more behindthe scenes stuff.
You can see when he finds outthat the person who killed the
because what happens is in thestory, I think Boba Fett he
(16:18):
sends out, he sends out BobaFett to find out like who blew
up the Death Star, who's therebel that blew up the Death
Star, that made that kill shot?
Right, and boba fett reportsback to him I was named
skywalker.
And then, like you know, that'sgonna set him off.
And then he realizes, like Ihave a son, he's alive.
And that's when his, whenanakin, starts to come back to
(16:40):
him.
Right, but just a little bitshining through and he, you know
that's why he doesn't kill hisson.
He's trying to turn to the darkside, because he wants to be
with his son.
He wants to be with his blood.
You know what I mean?
Right, and that's that's howthe whole redemption arc happens
.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And you know he ends up saving him, you know that's
crazy, just amazing, that youknow all this shit, man, and
you're right episodes, I mean,it's like what's going on, and
before recording.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I was talking about the yeah lightsaber form.
How right um obi-wan uses uhform two serasu, which is a
defensive form of lightsaber.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Wow so how many, how many?
Um, let me ask you how manylightsaber forms are there?
I believe there's six, I don'tknow them all.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right, I just know that, and I bet you there's
probably cod.
I don't know them all, I justknow that.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I bet you there's probably katas for each one of
those forms.
In other words, if there's acertain style they all have like
.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have a bunch of different katas.
They all sound like Japanesetoo.
Right, All the you know whichmakes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, most martial arts just have katas depending
on what and I believe it's.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I believe Anakin uses form five.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Probably look it up.
If you look at lightsaber forms, you'll find them all.
Really, yeah, google lightsaberforms, wow, they'll come up.
Um, but the there was a speciallightsaber form that Mace Windu
used.
It was called Vapad and it wasa alt.
He engineered it.
He back engineered thatlightsaber form because it was a
(18:08):
sith lightsaber form.
Okay, engineered it to be usedas jedi, but you can use it
against the sith and it worksespecially well against the silk
.
Wow, which explains why youknow darcidius or palpatine
whatever you want to call himkilled, killed three Jedi in a
matter.
Killed two Jedi immediately andthen the other one a couple
seconds later, and then hecouldn't get Mace Windu until
(18:30):
you know, anakin came in andscrewed everything up.
But are you looking up now the?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
forms.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think he uses form five.
I can't think of the name offthe top of my head, there's a
whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, let's see.
So there isn't a definitenumber for the exact quantity of
lightsaber styles, butgenerally light.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Right, you probably have to look it up on that.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
If you just Google lightsaber forms, just type in
lightsaber forums wookiee, justwookieepedia.
Just type in lightsaber forumswookiee and then you'll see
wookieepedia come up on themedia but yeah, they're all on
there, but um, but yeah, sothat's why, um, he was able to.
Um, right, you remember when,um, you know that's how, uh,
(19:24):
palpatine's face starts to melt?
Is because mace windu isholding the lightsaber up
against and it's reflecting thelightning back onto him.
Now that he that's a speciallightsaber form, he was able to,
like, channel his energy intothe lightsaber right, push the
um, the uh, lightning reflectedback onto him.
That's why it started meltinghis face started melting.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
His face started melting, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
He started looking like His teeth started like
turning yellow.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But wasn't it?
I always thought that that washis actual, real form and he was
hiding beneath that.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know what?
I don't know what they considercanon to it.
But if it's melted or that washis reform right, the thing is
and that's the other thing toois about the sith is the um, the
uh.
Supposedly, if you really aredeep into the dark side, it
(20:17):
starts like deforming you really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah so it could bethat's crazy Like the older
Sith, darth Malgus.
he's in one of the games.
That's how I know him.
He kind of looks like if yousee him from far away.
He kind of looks like if Vaderdidn't have a mask on Right.
He's bald and has like a couplescars on his face and he's got
(20:40):
like a ventilator.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I don't know why he's got a ventilator but over his
mouth like like um, but he'slike really big but it's like
wait, but he has but his eyesare all black oh wow.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Just like.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Vader's was and when they take, when he takes off his
mask and in episode six hiseyes are all black and stuff
like that Supp, supposedly thathas something to do with this
Like the Sith kind of likestarts, like degrading your like
body, the dark, wow, yeah.
So what are you looking up?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
No, what I'm doing right now is I'm inviting
somebody to come down who's abig star, wasn't that just like?
Oh, okay, so we're going to getthem in the seat here with us
and uh and have a little chatwith him as well and have a
little chat with him as well.
I'd be interested to have himdown, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, when he comes on, just hit.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
No, it's right here.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, one.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Number one.
We'll just turn him on.
So no, it's crazy.
You know that you know all thisstuff.
I mean I think I know all thatstuff when I'm and I know a lot,
but I don't know as deep as youare.
I mean, you were in there, Iwent to their territory and
Justin is the same.
(21:47):
He's pretty much the same waywith that, with the Star Wars
stuff.
He's really good at it.
So I'm trying to get him tocome down here with us.
But anyway, continue on yourconversation when he gets here.
We're not going to wait for him, we're going to keep recording.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
We'll keep recording.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Why Don't pause it?
What's the matter?
Why, why?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Next time on life we're batting tonight.
Oh, come on, really.
Yeah, yeah, but it's all right.
Okay, we're splitting it intotwo parts, wow.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's all recorded, so we're parts.
But wow, I mean, that's allrecorded, like so we're having
technical difficulties, as youcan tell.
I forget to record.
He forgot to hit the certainbutton on the phone to record
the video, so you know, shithappens.
What are you gonna do?
It's just one of those nightswe're doing this podcast, so if
you're sitting listening, tothis, kenny, you're not here.
You're supposed to hold ittogether, just laugh just laugh
your ass off and enjoy it,that's all.
(22:45):
So, um, no, it's crazy that youknow, you know all this stuff.
Um, like, I feel that way aboutyou know, when it comes to star
trek, and even me knowing whatI know about star trek, I found
that that I don't know so much.
I tried to do a trivia thingand I was like not as didn't
know as deep as, like beyond orbehind the stories that you
(23:06):
normally know, there wassomething else going on and you
didn't.
You know that led to that youknow, like, okay, I guess I
don't know as much as I thoughtI did, but it's amazing how much
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, and, like I said, I, I, I well, I follow all
the Star Wars channels and theytalk about it.
They talk about the books.
So I know stuff about the booksand they talk about it.
They talk about the books.
So I know stuff about the books.
And that's the cool thing aboutthe books, too, is there's
certain books that add moredepth to the Star Wars lore.
Like there's a cool book I wantto get.
(23:38):
It's called Vader Family at Waror something like that, or
Skywalker Family at War, it'scalled, and they go into more
depth of the storyline, like inReturn of the Jedi.
Okay, they actually go moreinto depth of what Vader was
(23:59):
thinking.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Or what was going on with him.
When he kills Palpatine andstuff, right that you know it's,
it's it's, it's good stuffright, like he was just standing
there watching and then he justpicked them up.
That's actually where they mything is how does he, how does
this guy survive, palpatine?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
because you know, yeah, yeah, well, technically he
does in the other star warmovies that come later on.
Oh, you're talking about lukecome later on.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Oh, you're talking about luke, you know, I thought
you meant you're talking aboutvader no, I'm talking about
palpatine.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, how does he, when he kills him, throws him down.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, that's the thing they had to you know.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So how does this guy?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
that's the thing that like that's see the we can talk
about the sequel trilogy.
Yeah is the storylines kind of.
But you know, the good thing isyou got dave filoni.
Dave filoni, he, he wrote theclone wars.
Okay, or directed so these arethe guys who wrote these movies
or I don't know if he wrote it,I know he produced it.
The clone wars uh, he also didthe mandalorian right soca
(24:56):
rebels um, he's really good.
So he what he did, is he?
If you watch like theMandalorian, they start tying
that in together.
They start just like they'relike band-aiding it you know the
whole.
Somehow Palpatine has survivedyou know, that line that drives
everybody crazy.
I think that's the whole thingwith them.
(25:17):
Remember they were grogu likethey wanted his because he had
the high mandalorian count, or mcount as they call it.
He had a metachlorian count,you know um.
So they needed his bloodbecause they were doing the
(25:39):
cloning.
So supposedly they clone um thepalpatine and somehow his soul
goes back into the.
Somehow they use some Sithalchemy to get his soul to go
back into his own clone, becauseif I cloned you you wouldn't
have your memories like you havenow Right right, it would just
be a walking zombie, yeah.
No, you'd just be a.
It would look like you, but itwouldn't be you, because you'd
(26:00):
have your memories.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Everything.
Yeah, it would have its own,yeah, have its own memories.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, right.
So you'd have a differentaccent too If I cloned you and
put you in Arkansas, you'd beRight on please.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, Got a straw hat .
You know it's crazy.
That's a stereotype, though.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, exactly, but no , yeah, so, like they kind of
tried band-aiding that alltogether, right, but uh, yeah, I
can't wait until, um, they, uh,they do uh that, that
Mandalorian movie.
So it's going to be good, it'scause I think it's going to tie
in all, it's going to tie in thethree series, I think, yeah,
(26:39):
the, uh, the.
The whole thing was, is, isthat they're going to the Thrawn
.
I think they're going to tie inthe Mandalorian, boba Fett and
the Ahsoka series all in oneWith the first episode we're
doing.
Turn his mic up and swing itaround.
Swing that around to you.
There you go, look at that,just bring it a little closer to
(27:00):
you Right there.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
You're good about here.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So everyone, this is Justin Hello.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
He's also going to be doing our next podcast with us,
actually, um, so he's doing oneand a half with us right now.
Okay, okay, you're helping usout with this one.
Uh, we're doing like.
Tom is talking about everythingfrom the series, from
everything from uh.
He started from the beginningand did it chronologically.
Is that what you said, tom?
You were doing it.
He did it andologically.
Is that what you said, tom?
(27:26):
You were doing it?
He did it, and he watched allthis the Star Wars series, all
the Star Wars series.
Yeah, yeah, in that order.
Yeah, yeah, that's a killer.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
to go through Clone Wars takes forever.
To get through Clone Wars doestake forever.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, Because you have the whole series to get
through.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
And about how um we weretalking about, are they going to
come out with a veda serieswhere it's just about veda and I
think, I think, I think kateand christian said would be up
for it?
I think that would be reallyfun.
Um, I know that there is awhole series of comics that they
could go through.
(27:56):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like absolutely crush a series, oh absolutely I know
the materials, therefore thecomic material alone I don't
know if it's the first comicbook, but the the one where he
gets, where he has to bleed thecrystal, he has to kill a jedi
in order to get, because he wasexplaining how that works.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know what he's talking about.
Yeah, where he gets you gottakill their.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Do you have to kill them with their lightsaber, just
kill them with their own life.
I believe you just have to takea life yeah, and then their own
saber yeah and then you get thelightsaber and then you just
bleed the crystals.
What you say wow, and thatmakes it red yeah, to pour your
hate and anger, and then itcracks and there's like a they
do kind of go into the the forcewith.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Like the force does make a kyber crystal red, okay,
and it it requires a directaction of the dark side.
Yeah, interfering with thelight side?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
aka right, someone killing a jedi yeah, yeah,
typically is the most directroute to that exactly um, and so
that makes your kyber crystalsred.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
But yeah, there's.
There's so many great comicseries.
Aaron would have plenty to tellyou about.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
She loves the.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Vader comics.
So she's a Star Wars freak likeyou as well.
I mean for the most part, yeah,or is she more than you?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, no, no, I'd say it's about the same.
I had to introduce her to theClone Wars series Okay, the last
little bits of it.
I didn't make her sit throughabsolutely everything.
Because I didn't make her sitthrough absolutely everything
because there's plenty therethat just doesn't need to be,
but I did.
I got her through the wholeClone Wars series for the most
part and, most importantly, thefinal season of the Clone Wars
(29:34):
series, which was incrediblygood.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Do you know what I did to watch the final season?
The last four episodes takeplace during Revenge of the Sith
.
Oh, did you split it up inbetween?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
them?
Yeah, take place during Revengeof the Sith.
Oh, did you split it up?
Yeah, in between them.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I'm such a fucking nerd At the end of the
one episode when Ahsoka partswith Obi-Wan, right and Anakin.
That's where the movie starts,because they say, oh,
coruscant's under attack and wegotta go Right.
So then you start the movie andit's right there, okay.
But then you start the movieand it's right there.
So it's weird, though, becauselike, oh my God, I'm seeing them
(30:05):
in live action.
You've watched an entire seriesof them, especially if you
binged it like I did, right themin animated, so that's kind of
cool, but then you got to findwhen to switch it back to the
other.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
There's a pausing point in the third movie.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You guys are crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I wait until he's till palpatine's, like uh, uh,
you know have I ever told youthe tragedy of darth plague is
the wise and then I go to thenext one yep, yeah, there's a
there and there's.
There's like standout scenes inthat final season that let you
because it's so tightly knit didyou do that as well?
I didn't do it that way, no,but there are.
It are, it's very clear.
In the seventh season of CloneWars there are these standout
(30:48):
scenes that like let you knowexactly what's going on.
In episode three there's amoment where Ahsoka's on the
ship.
It's giving you a nice clue andshe, like, feels the
disturbance.
And it's the exact same momentthat Order 66 happens.
So it's like you're getting theexact play-by-play.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And that's a.
You get to see how long, likethe whole series, like they were
the most trusted and all of asudden they flipped because they
had that, and but they alsoshow how some of them, one of
them or two of them, had gotthat out of them, or I think it
was Rex.
(31:24):
What was the?
What was the?
Um?
Bad Batch Was it?
Is it Bad Batch?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, bad Batch.
Yeah, is it Bad Batch?
Yeah, bad Batch.
I watched that whole thing.
That was awesome.
I liked that.
It was a little slow in thebeginning when you started off,
but then I liked the whole story.
It was good.
How many seasons was with that?
Again, I think there's threeseasons of Bad Batch.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I did all of them.
I watched them all.
There was three seasons right.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was three way too in
some sense, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
in a sense, they kind of cover that very strange gap
between the prequels and theoriginals.
Yeah, yeah, uh, they cover thatweird space where there's not
really a lot of content.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Right, episode three, because there's you're trying
to and they see how they phaseout the clones too.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, okay there's yeah, there's a lot of that
covered in bad batch, um wow I.
I love how they got it all tiedtogether yeah, I love the, uh,
the little things that they didwith some standout clones, uh,
that weren't directly affectedor, like, somehow were able to
bypass that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I thought that was like really fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I know a lot of people in like the sort of star
wars discourse are, with thesenewer stories coming out,
starting to get tired of the oh.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But there's this other jedi that survived because
they're at like a dozen nowthat somehow miraculously
survived was there ever anactual number, though, and you
got how many?
How many survived?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Kanan Ezra Ahsoka, I'm sure.
Well, Kanan died rebels, but hesurvived.
Order 66.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
My point exactly.
I'm pretty sure there's aYouTube video out there of this
guy covering like how many moreactually survived this?
Was it actually that lethal oris there just like 50 guys out
there that are perfectly fine?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Could have been more than that Seriously.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I'm'm asking you, I don't know because it's either
they were hunting them down withthe inquisitor, they were
hunting down with the.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So there was there is also a period where there was
inquisitors that were huntingthem down right.
So it it's.
It's strange because it seemslike the direction that they're
going is.
Order 66 killed a lot of Jedi,but not all of them, not
everybody, maybe really onlylike 75% two thirds give or take
(33:41):
, because they're doing so manystandout stories now where it's
like either it's someone whosurvived from the jump or they
were somewhere super far awayyeah, so they didn't have to
deal with it.
Or even in in some of these uhcomic series now you'll spend a
bunch of time with this rathermysterious hermit-like character
(34:04):
and it's like oh, they're jediyeah, you know so okay, sure,
why not?
Um obi-wan being one of them,yeah, obi-wan being one of them,
changing the ben um, butobi-wan did have to.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
He did lose it a little bit because he had to get
it's a back in touch with theforce again and he was not.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's something that dave filoni uh borrowed from a
lot of the comics and also, forthe kenobi series, borrowed from
the jedi survivor games.
Okay, with uh, with cal kestis,okay, they did something really
fun with like uh.
Obviously, with video gamemechanics, you have to build the
(34:44):
character over time, yeah.
Yeah, not exactly easy to do.
With the jedi they're kind ofsupposed to just do what they do
, right.
But for him, the whole thingwas that he spent a lot of time
without using his powers, and sothat's how you sort of level
and build the character, gotchaum, as he regains his force
abilities, just like obi-wan didin the kenobi series and then
(35:04):
he gets it back yeah, gets it atthe right freaking time.
Yeah all the way back yeah, allthe way.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I mean he's pelted him with those freaking boulders
, yeah it was a incredible scene.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, it was great scene and it's like one of the
only times that you get like areal uh show of his force
capability yeah, they do it alittle bit in the clone wars
series yeah, you'll get meobi-wan with obi-wan, because
obi-wan's so weird, because it'slike some people will just
wreck him, like he gets pushedin, bad, uh.
(35:37):
And then other times you havethese like miraculous moments
with specifically obi-wan, wherehe's doing things that scale
him way above other people,right in terms of power well, we
were just saying that too, thatobi-wan was considered one of
the like best, wasn't you?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
considered one of the best jedis.
Well, they considered him thebest in form two serisu.
Yeah he is, I know I threw itwhen I said that the first he's
the best in form two uh, by faruh, and they actually they don't
really uh depict many peopledoing form two either.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, it's like one of the rare ones now is it one
of the hardest ones is that whyit's just?
A defensive one okay really isworried about doing that right.
The only people that areworried about doing a defensive
form are people who areregularly fighting, people with
lightsabers, which during theclone wars wasn't super
prominent because there was onlytwo set at a time.
Gotcha um in the old republicdays, which gets, I think,
(36:32):
almost solely in games.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, maybe books, yeah, maybe books.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
There's like almost no media on Old Republic until
we got the one series HighRepublic.
High Republic is Accolade.
Yes, Old Republic was whenthere was like a lot of Form 2
users, or it was at least alittle more normalized.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Before the rule of two, because that was when there
was an army of yeah, the sithwere like legion, and then they,
yeah, darth bane did start therule of two oh bane, I don't
even.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I've never even heard that name darth bane's.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Uh pretty sick nasty.
Uh, he's probably one of thescariest Sith.
Lords he was like they tookDarth Vader.
It's like a wizard basicallyreally on top of being a Jedi he
was and like just so wildlyunkillable.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
They don't really explain it in the movies, but in
the Clone Wars they show it alittle bit.
You know, the Sith alsopractice like Sith alchemy, like
there's a scene with him andwhat's his name?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Darth Tyranus um uh, drawn a blank, but I know what
you're talking about he's got,he's like royalty, but anyway
they're like.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
you see him with like a cauldron or something like
that.
Okay, practicing force alchemyor something like that.
Really yeah, but they don'treally show that enough.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Darth Bane, he's like a brutishcharacter and is just wildly
unkillable Really.
There's a bunch of cinematicsof him getting locked.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He reappears because there's no such thing as like a
Sith ghost, but there's Sithspecters and they can exist,
like in, like these Sith nexusesor these Sith temples In
between worlds and stuff likethat.
No, they can only exist in,like certain spaces.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Like spiritual places , but for the dark side.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Gotcha, I gotcha, yeah, all right, like a Sith we
were just talking about that.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
In regards to Anakin with the, was it the Sonoka?
How was he pronounced?
Again, the series, ahsoka,ahsoka, I'm sorry, and how she
was in the in-between with him.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yes, and how he was changing from.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Thwaka's balance and him the balance.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yes, the polarizing balance.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He's not necessarily balanced, but he's either on one
side of the scale.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, they're right.
Yeah, yeah, it's a.
It's a very fun concept, uh,because everyone always wants to
see a.
Um, the, it doesn't necessarilyexist, but this, the, the
theory of like a gray jedi yeah,yeah right.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Everybody always wants to see it and it's like
that's not one that's notsupposed to necessarily exist
because, yeah, I think uh lucassaid like because the the the
sith corrupts, the dark sidecorrupts, so you'll never be
better yeah, but if you werestrong enough willed person,
wouldn't that?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'll take it better it's it just corrupts you.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I think george lucas's point was that the dark
side is it is an infectiousthing.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So there's, you can't have any amount of it you're
gonna just take it, I got youokay but if you're dead and you
die during a redemption arc?
Yes you can, you can jump backand forth because you're not
dead.
You know, can't corrupt youbecause you're dead.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Because I was just saying to him Darth Vader,
anakin right, all the shit hedid, and then he at the end
kills and I literally killedplanets of people and then all
of a sudden now he does whathe's supposed to Right.
And she's a son andeverything's supposed to be fine
now.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, so you know one life for billions, you save one
.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Oh, my God Makes up for a million, but when you
think about it, though, it'slike it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
No, not really.
Technically he should be thrownin jail.
I mean come on, yeah, no, well,there's a lot of theories on it
because he like he, he, he like, created like an alternate ego.
Well, he died.
So they say like oh vader isthe alternate ego.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But he did die anyway .
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So I mean died at the end.
So yeah, yeah um, and then hewent to the good side I think
probably one of my favoritethings that the clone wars did
was the episode where they wentout into deep space when they
the Mortis gods.
Yes, they met the actual, likeembodiments of light and dark.
(40:59):
And then the father.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
They're going to get into that the next season of
this.
Really, Absolutely Now, what isthat about?
So the um, there's the mother,the father we never see the
mother in the Clone Wars, butthe father never see the mother
in the clone wars.
But the father, the son and thedaughter.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
The daughter embodies the light side and the son and
the dark side okay the father is, I guess, both, and I guess
he's strange, he's like is allneutral gray character, um, who
basically just tries to stopthem from killing each other wow
, okay like on a daily basis, uh, and yeah, no, there's, no,
(41:34):
there's.
I don't think there's anydepiction of the mother.
No, yet, uh, which?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
is interesting, but I think there's there's theories
that she might be in the socaseries I would imagine so and
what would she be leaningtowards?
Very powerful gray or I mean,there's like so many directions,
the death mary witches wereafraid of whatever the fuck was
on that planet yeah, that's whyI think it might be the mother.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Okay, yeah, um.
And so that brings up a reallygood point.
If the, if the daughter, is anembodiment of light, yeah, um,
and that owl figure that ahsokaregularly sees Right.
And then the the sun, yeah, um,the sun is supposed to be the
embodiment of darkness, veryDarth, maul, esque looking edgy,
(42:22):
bad guy.
Um.
The father is this gray neutralwho looks very human in
comparison to his children.
The.
My theory is is that the mothercould, and the reason that the
dafmiri were scared of her isthat the mother could be the
embodiment of, like the, thedeep space, like scary side of
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star wars okay like, uh, like,uh, what, uh, what's it called
Starweirds, which is like a bookthing?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Super scary Leviathan creatures out in deep space
that have made entirestarcruisers disappear.
Yeah, okay, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And you know what that plays well too, because the
Purgle are like the only deepspace creatures we ever see.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So that would kind of tie it in that there's deep
space like creatures that existin deep space.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So there's stuff that they can still add on to, and
build off of and make morestories, which is really cool.
It's amazing how they come up,but a lot of this stuff wasn't
already out when the first StarWars came out, right?
It was just the comic books,the background, that's
interesting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Dave Filoni man.
He took it and ran with it.
Yeah, it's a good thing, andit's a good thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I hope he takes over for Kennedy, but you know.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
He took every little bit that George Lucas gave him
and found a way to flesh it outand add even more lore to it.
Right and it's remarkable work.
Honestly, he did an incrediblejob.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That's awesome.
Well, I think we had a goodtime doing this talk and I
appreciate you came in themiddle of it.
I didn't come in the middle 45sare usually cut off.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
So you see, we're right there.
We got a little thrown off.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
We had some technical issues, but I'm glad you're
here and has some technicalissues, but I'm glad you're here
, and then we could do the nextone.
So, anyway, tom, thank youJustin, I appreciate it, and may
the force be with you and foryou as well, sir, live long and
prosper.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
May the force be with you.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
May the force be with you.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
We'll do another one in two minutes, you got it.
welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy
podcast what's up, guys?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
we just did this for about 10 minutes and realized my
fucking stupid ass didn't hitthe record button.
So we're starting over.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're talking about Star Wars because today we're
recording the.
We're talking about Star Warsbecause today we're recording
the podcast episode dropsWednesday.
So this past Sunday was StarWars Day, so we're going to do a
Star Wars episode May 4th.
May the 4th.
Be with you, yeah, yeah.
(00:42):
So you know, this past weekend,uh, I went with chase.
We went to go see, uh, revengeof the sith.
Uh, it was really really good.
We saw it in the cinemarktheaters.
They have, uh, what's thosed-box seats?
and you remember the d-box seats, um, the what I was talking
about before I've been on thesimulators in certain parks like
a simulator ride, but they haveit for movies now and that is
(01:05):
so fucking awesome because Ithat's something I always loved
as a kid and I was always like,imagine if they did this with
movies and now they're doing it.
I mean it is you do pay apremium seat because the seats
and they're all and of coursethey're in like the best area
too, they're like middle section, they probably tested it and
checked it out where it feltbest to do it right, it costs
(01:25):
like $25 a seat, but you don'tsee every movie in it you see
movies that are worth seeing,and Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Wasn't there an anniversary that just came up
with them?
Was that recent An anniversarywith Star Wars, yeah that's now
20 years.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh nice.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
How crazy, that is.
Crazy man.
That is 20 years old.
Wow, I remember when that wasout, wow, wow, it seems like
yesterday and that's my favoritemovie, but that's my favorite
of the Star Wars movie.
But first I want to get intohow awesome it was with those
D-Box seats, because the firstscene is when they're flying
over Coruscant.
Right, they, it's, they're justlike every time you move and it
(02:10):
crashes into general grievous'sship and it's like you know he
goes nice.
What does he say?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
he goes another perfect landing, or something
like that right and you feel allof that when you're doing that
right it's, it's cool, it's coolthat's awesome.
Yeah, no, that's great man, andthat story alone, like what we
were saying earlier, is one ofthe best movies.
It is.
That one is a really good one.
You were saying.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And your favorite for the reason it is your favorite.
You were explaining before.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Please explain again so the reason it's my favorite
Star Wars movie is because it'sgot the best story it really
does.
It's such a good story thatthey had to have two prequels
for it, because episode one andtwo, if you think about it, are
actual, like they're preludes tothe third one.
The third one is the importantone.
(02:57):
The first one is all worldbuilding, because you need to.
You have to start the story,you have to create all these
characters.
You got to world build the shitout of it right.
Then episode two is whereyou're starting to get the plot
of the clone wars.
They got understand what'shappening here.
They start and that's like thestart of the clone wars, why
they got the clone wars going,and the clone wars are the
(03:18):
reason for emperor palpatine ora senator palpatine at the time
he gets Anakin's older by thistime To take over power for
Chancellor, saying that thecurrent Chancellor doesn't know
what he's doing.
They're going to take overChancellor and then, with the
Clone Wars, he gets emergencypower and never leaves office
because, oh well, the Clone Wars, we can't, I can't leave power
now.
I got to stay here, andorganize this.
And he's doing all you know him, and what's his name?
(03:48):
Oh my God, why am I having totip my tongue, darth Tyrannus?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, darth Tyrannus.
Yeah, but I never know that.
What's his name.
That's okay.
I couldn't even help you if Iwant to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But anyway they get they.
You know they start the wholeClone Wars and then that's, and
then Because Anakin you see thefall of Anakin.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
He's older by this time.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah yeah, he's older.
You see the fall and he's stillthe Padawan.
He's got the ponytail Right.
Padawans have the ponytail youknow, the.
What did I say about Anakin?
His downfall, yeah, hisdownfall.
You get to see the scene whenyou know his mom gets killed by
the Tusken Raiders and he takesout the entire like clan of
(04:29):
Tusken Raiders.
But he also kills the.
He goes.
I killed the women and childrentoo.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And that's when you know.
That's his first taste of themovie, and who?
Was he telling that to?
When he said that Padme oh,remember.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh, that's right, and she forgave him for it.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, that's the only plot hole, I think, because
she's like oh like she's like,because I guess of who the
people was, that humanitariantype person like she's like all
for like, good and like right,but in this case she was okay
yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You just killed a bunch of women and children.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I'll stay with you.
I'll marry you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Nobody's going to miss those people, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Fuck them sand people .
For me, that's basically that'sexactly.
They're just sand people.
Who cares?
That's what they are.
They're fucking racist.
No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
For me it was just.
That was just greatchoreography, the way they did
that and it was just a battle.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It was awesome and that's the thing I'll recap
again because I talked aboutthat.
Uh, our first recording, right?
He says, like he says it's over, anakin, I have the higher
ground.
And the reason why Anakin doesthat, that move where he wants
to flip over, is because he isbeing super cocky.
He wants to use Obi-Wan's movethat he used to kill Darth Maul
(05:57):
in Episode I.
When he does that flip and thenkills Darth Maul, that way,
he's trying to do the same thingto Obi-Wan, the person he saw
do it, or heard the same thingto obi-wan, the person he saw do
it, or heard the story of himdoing, because he wasn't there,
I don't um, and because he wasstill a kid then right, um, so
he does that move.
But the problem is he said it'sover, anakin, I have the higher
(06:18):
ground, so you have, you know.
You know obi-wan's up here,he's below him, and Anakin's
down here.
He's got the higher ground, sohe does that jump, but he loses.
Most of his jump is in front ofObi-Wan and then by the time
he's over Obi-Wan.
He just doesn't have.
He's as high of a jump andObi-Wan slices off his arms and
(06:38):
legs.
Right, that's crazy.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And then he catches on fire, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and he loses his mind.
Yep, yeah, that was a goodscene.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You were a brother, Anakin.
I loved you.
I hate you.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, that was crazy.
But here's the thing aboutCrazy Thing at Basava.
I don't want to jump ahead, butyeah.
Like when the whole story right, and how George Lucas explains
the whole story right and how,um, george lucas lucas explains
it in the sense where you knowit's about, you know skywalker
coming and saving, remember they, I guess because the kid was so
high on the chart for being youknow with the force.
(07:17):
Um m count right for the forcecount yeah and he was the one to
put balance into it.
But, and long story short, hewinds up doing that anyway.
But he does it as Darth Vader,he doesn't do it as Anakin.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So here's the thing, but still does that give him a
pass on all the shit that he did.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
As far as the people and everybody he took out, I
don't know if it does becausehe's in living force again, and
I have a theory behind this.
So I want to discuss this.
Okay, because I've had thistheory for a while and I think
it's well explained if you watchthe Ahsoka series.
So he does fulfill the prophecyof restoring balance to the
(08:02):
force, but balance didn't meanuh, destroying the sith balance,
you know, or or or meant, youknow, uh actually being he's
like the first after death, he'slike the first gray jedi.
Okay, and I know that's thething is is that he is balanced.
Now he is equal darth vader andhe is equal Anakin Skywalker,
(08:25):
and they show that in if youwatch the uh.
So, guys, you see the changewhen she's in, she's in the
world between worlds, which theythey never show a live action.
It's the first time they showedthe world between worlds and
live action.
They showed it in rebels, Um,and I I don't know if they
(08:46):
showed it in the Clone Wars.
It was definitely in Rebelsthough, Okay, and you know, it's
kind of like the world.
So you know, I guess people canvisit each other in the
afterlife, or it is theafterlife, I'm that almost sure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Isn't that the same thing that when Obi-Wan told?
I mean, when Yoda told Obi-Wanthat he was going to teach him
how to communicate to his master?
Yeah, qui-gon, um that he wasgoing to teach him how to, yeah,
communicate to his, uh, his,master.
Yeah, qui-gon, qui-gon, thankyou.
Yes, uh, so wouldn't that bethe same?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
thing because they're in that well, they can appear
as force ghosts, but she'sactually in the world between
right, okay, um, so she.
You know, he switches back andforth from anakin to darth vader
.
Sometimes it's just he's, uh,he's.
I call anakin vader when he'snot in the suit, right, you know
what I mean.
He's got the yellow eyes.
And then there's another scene.
You see him when he's walkingaway like flashes.
(09:33):
You see Vader holding him.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right, you see the red and then you see his face,
the mask, yeah.
So they did that really well.
They did that really well.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So he's like balanced , he's you, they did that really
well.
So he's like balanced, he's youknow, he's, he's um, he, you
know he's, does both he's.
He's darkness, uh, imbued bylight, and light tempered by
darkness.
He's like equal, you know whatI mean.
So that's his, his what youknow, he found his happy medium
and he brought balance to theforce right, you know he still
(10:01):
did it, but it wasn't in the waythat everybody thought it was
gonna be right.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Like you know, he's gonna bring balance.
But how is he gonna bringbalance?
Nobody really took that.
I think Yoda knew that, causehe felt like something didn't
feel right to him from thebeginning.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh, yeah, he was not having it and Mace Windu didn't
trust him.
Yet he's the one.
But we do not grant you amaster.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Wow, hey, they felt something man.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Did they do that on purpose as far as not granting,
because they felt like somethingwasn't?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
right?
Well, he was so young yet, andthey never made someone so young
, Right he was so young.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So how old does someone have to be when they're-
?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
To be on the council?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
No, no, not on the council, but to be a master.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh yeah, probably that too, but he was like very
powerful fast track.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But you know he was very cocky and very you know
Right, but they knew that's, youknow it's cool, blah, blah.
Well, what about the storyabout?
Um?
Oh, what's the character in inthe same movie where he gets his
(11:14):
hand cut off?
He's fighting?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
uh, palpatine oh uh, that's episode two, right, no
three when he falls out thewindow, isn't that?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
oh, you're talking about window.
Yeah, yeah, that's you'retalking about window.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, itwas fighting palpatine.
Yeah, yeah, sorry, I gotconfused.
Yeah, that's, that's episodethree.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Right, that's so what happens to him is there?
Is there ever going to be astory about that at all?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
at some point left to open-ended because because you
don't know if he's dead or alivejedi, can you know they can
slow down their falls and justbecause he got his hand cut off
doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
It was his hand, right.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, they show him in the Clone Wars doing some
crazy jump too, mace Windu.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Really.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, like off a freaking cliff.
They used the force to slowthem down and he could have
landed on a moving car orsomething like that.
They left it open-ended.
They should do a story on them.
You know a moving, you know car, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So they left it open-ended.
Okay, they should do a story onthem.
They should do it and see whatdoes he become, what does he
wind?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
up doing.
It's great too now, because youknow Samuel L Jackson's a lot
older now, so they can have ityears later and someone who
plays him younger.
No, no, no, they can have itlike maybe he makes an
appearance in like themandalorian series, you know
something like that and he'solder, because that would be
he'd be aged perfectly.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
oh, you think so yeah , yeah, okay okay, yeah, it's
like 20 years later yeah, yeah,okay, that's right exactly, you
do the math too I um, you knowI'm such a nerd.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I use chat and I write, I write.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're in good company, my friend.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I write alternate stories or sometimes I write I'm
like I talk to Epitaph likethey need to do a Vader series
and we actually wrote like a,like a four season.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Isn't there a Vader series coming out?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I thought I saw something on yeah yeah.
I thought I saw something onyeah yeah, because there's a lot
of fan-made stuff.
They do a lot of fan-made stuff, ben, I was like, imagine, if
they come out with Avengers,it's got to be from the official
Disney or Star Wars.
That would be a good series.
Would you watch that?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, of course you would right.
Yeah, like I said, I wrote awhole.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You're out of your mind, I'm out of my mind.
What do you get this time whereyou're actually?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
writing four seasons.
You know, sometimes are youdictating this to somebody or to
chat gpt is that?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
yeah, I just tell them what I want.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Chat gpt to like outline that's awesome to this.
So, like the first episode Itake from the comic book where,
like the sith, you know the partof the sith lore and they added
that, uh, that was like itwasn't from the original trilogy
.
They really don't explain itmuch, but they, you know, in
order to get a red lightsaberyou have to, as a Sith, kill a
(13:54):
Jedi.
Without having a lightsaber,you can't have a lightsaber.
Oh, so you have to do it.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
It's almost like proving yourself to them yeah
they actually?
I think they portray that wasit like an initiation or
something they portray that?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
in the series that didn't do well.
The um Acolyte okay, theyactually portray that in the
Acolyte you're supposed to killa uh Jedi without a lightsaber,
right okay take their lightsaber, bleed the crystal and now you
have a red lightsaber wow,that's fucked up.
And to bleed the crystal you'resupposed to like pour all your
(14:25):
hate and anger into it and itcracks and turns red what is?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
what about the opposite way, when a Jedi kills
a Sith for the first time, isthere anything?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
no, let's just say they don't have any, yeah, but
but the Sith have like thiswhole lore, like that's what
kind of makes it badass, likeyou go kill a Jedi, take their
crystal and bleed, then how didVader get his wrench saber?
You don't see that, but in thecomic book that's what happens.
He kills somebody Palpatinesends him to go kill, he's got
(14:57):
to kill a Jedi and bleed thecrystal, right?
So if I were to write this, sowhen I like did this whole thing
, I wrote, like a whole thing onit, I, I wrote on it um, it's
door open for oh anyway no, youcan't.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You keep talking, I'm so no, no, um.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So you know in the comic book he does that.
You get to see him do that.
So like I did that if they,that'd be so awesome if they
showed that.
Like in the very first episode,first episode, like at the end
of the episode I have it wherehe bleeds the crystal and he
just the lightsaber turns on andglows his whole face and then
it cuts to the end.
How awesome would that be for apilot episode at the end, you
(15:35):
know he does this whole thingwhere he just fights a Jedi,
kills a Jedi, bleeds the crystaland then does that.
So but yeah, and like it wouldbe so awesome if they did that.
Like the first series.
You know there's about 17 yearsin between episode three and
four or something like that.
Really, 17 or 19 years, that'sa lot of story writing for Vader
(15:57):
.
You do like two seasons on that, right, and then another two
seasons that take place inbetween episode four and six and
you can see some more behindthe scenes stuff.
You can see when he finds outthat the person who killed the
because what happens is in thestory, I think Boba Fett he
(16:18):
sends out, he sends out BobaFett to find out like who blew
up the Death Star, who's therebel that blew up the Death
Star, that made that kill shot?
Right, and boba fett reportsback to him I was named
skywalker.
And then, like you know, that'sgonna set him off.
And then he realizes, like Ihave a son, he's alive.
And that's when his, whenanakin, starts to come back to
(16:40):
him.
Right, but just a little bitshining through and he, you know
that's why he doesn't kill hisson.
He's trying to turn to the darkside, because he wants to be
with his son.
He wants to be with his blood.
You know what I mean?
Right, and that's that's howthe whole redemption arc happens
.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And you know he ends up saving him, you know that's
crazy, just amazing, that youknow all this shit, man, and
you're right episodes, I mean,it's like what's going on, and
before recording.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I was talking about the yeah lightsaber form.
How right um obi-wan uses uhform two serasu, which is a
defensive form of lightsaber.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Wow so how many, how many?
Um, let me ask you how manylightsaber forms are there?
I believe there's six, I don'tknow them all.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right, I just know that, and I bet you there's
probably cod.
I don't know them all, I justknow that.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I bet you there's probably katas for each one of
those forms.
In other words, if there's acertain style they all have like
.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
They have a bunch of different katas.
They all sound like Japanesetoo.
Right, All the you know whichmakes sense.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Well, most martial arts just have katas depending
on what and I believe it's.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I believe Anakin uses form five.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Probably look it up.
If you look at lightsaber forms, you'll find them all.
Really, yeah, google lightsaberforms, wow, they'll come up.
Um, but the there was a speciallightsaber form that Mace Windu
used.
It was called Vapad and it wasa alt.
He engineered it.
He back engineered thatlightsaber form because it was a
(18:08):
sith lightsaber form.
Okay, engineered it to be usedas jedi, but you can use it
against the sith and it worksespecially well against the silk
.
Wow, which explains why youknow darcidius or palpatine
whatever you want to call himkilled, killed three Jedi in a
matter.
Killed two Jedi immediately andthen the other one a couple
seconds later, and then hecouldn't get Mace Windu until
(18:30):
you know, anakin came in andscrewed everything up.
But are you looking up now the?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
forms.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think he uses form five.
I can't think of the name offthe top of my head, there's a
whole bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, let's see.
So there isn't a definitenumber for the exact quantity of
lightsaber styles, butgenerally light.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's on Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Right, you probably have to look it up on that.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
If you just Google lightsaber forms, just type in
lightsaber forums wookiee, justwookieepedia.
Just type in lightsaber forumswookiee and then you'll see
wookieepedia come up on themedia but yeah, they're all on
there, but um, but yeah, sothat's why, um, he was able to.
Um, right, you remember when,um, you know that's how, uh,
(19:24):
palpatine's face starts to melt?
Is because mace windu isholding the lightsaber up
against and it's reflecting thelightning back onto him.
Now that he that's a speciallightsaber form, he was able to,
like, channel his energy intothe lightsaber right, push the
um, the uh, lightning reflectedback onto him.
That's why it started meltinghis face started melting.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
His face started melting, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
He started looking like His teeth started like
turning yellow.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But wasn't it?
I always thought that that washis actual, real form and he was
hiding beneath that.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know what?
I don't know what they considercanon to it.
But if it's melted or that washis reform right, the thing is
and that's the other thing toois about the sith is the um, the
uh.
Supposedly, if you really aredeep into the dark side, it
(20:17):
starts like deforming you really.
Yeah, yeah, yeah so it could bethat's crazy Like the older
Sith, darth Malgus.
he's in one of the games.
That's how I know him.
He kind of looks like if yousee him from far away.
He kind of looks like if Vaderdidn't have a mask on Right.
He's bald and has like a couplescars on his face and he's got
(20:40):
like a ventilator.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I don't know why he's got a ventilator but over his
mouth like like um, but he'slike really big but it's like
wait, but he has but his eyesare all black oh wow.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Just like.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Vader's was and when they take, when he takes off his
mask and in episode six hiseyes are all black and stuff
like that Supp, supposedly thathas something to do with this
Like the Sith kind of likestarts, like degrading your like
body, the dark, wow, yeah.
So what are you looking up?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
No, what I'm doing right now is I'm inviting
somebody to come down who's abig star, wasn't that just like?
Oh, okay, so we're going to getthem in the seat here with us
and uh and have a little chatwith him as well and have a
little chat with him as well.
I'd be interested to have himdown, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well, when he comes on, just hit.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
No, it's right here.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, one.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Number one.
We'll just turn him on.
So no, it's crazy.
You know that you know all thisstuff.
I mean I think I know all thatstuff when I'm and I know a lot,
but I don't know as deep as youare.
I mean, you were in there, Iwent to their territory and
Justin is the same.
(21:47):
He's pretty much the same waywith that, with the Star Wars
stuff.
He's really good at it.
So I'm trying to get him tocome down here with us.
But anyway, continue on yourconversation when he gets here.
We're not going to wait for him, we're going to keep recording.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
We'll keep recording.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Why Don't pause it?
What's the matter?
Why, why?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Next time on life we're batting tonight.
Oh, come on, really.
Yeah, yeah, but it's all right.
Okay, we're splitting it intotwo parts, wow.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's all recorded, so we're parts.
But wow, I mean, that's allrecorded, like so we're having
technical difficulties, as youcan tell.
I forget to record.
He forgot to hit the certainbutton on the phone to record
the video, so you know, shithappens.
What are you gonna do?
It's just one of those nightswe're doing this podcast, so if
you're sitting listening, tothis, kenny, you're not here.
You're supposed to hold ittogether, just laugh just laugh
your ass off and enjoy it,that's all.
(22:45):
So, um, no, it's crazy that youknow, you know all this stuff.
Um, like, I feel that way aboutyou know, when it comes to star
trek, and even me knowing whatI know about star trek, I found
that that I don't know so much.
I tried to do a trivia thingand I was like not as didn't
know as deep as, like beyond orbehind the stories that you
(23:06):
normally know, there wassomething else going on and you
didn't.
You know that led to that youknow, like, okay, I guess I
don't know as much as I thoughtI did, but it's amazing how much
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, and, like I said, I, I, I well, I follow all
the Star Wars channels and theytalk about it.
They talk about the books.
So I know stuff about the booksand they talk about it.
They talk about the books.
So I know stuff about the books.
And that's the cool thing aboutthe books, too, is there's
certain books that add moredepth to the Star Wars lore.
Like there's a cool book I wantto get.
(23:38):
It's called Vader Family at Waror something like that, or
Skywalker Family at War, it'scalled, and they go into more
depth of the storyline, like inReturn of the Jedi.
Okay, they actually go moreinto depth of what Vader was
(23:59):
thinking.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Or what was going on with him.
When he kills Palpatine andstuff, right that you know it's,
it's it's, it's good stuffright, like he was just standing
there watching and then he justpicked them up.
That's actually where they mything is how does he, how does
this guy survive, palpatine?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
because you know, yeah, yeah, well, technically he
does in the other star warmovies that come later on.
Oh, you're talking about lukecome later on.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Oh, you're talking about luke, you know, I thought
you meant you're talking aboutvader no, I'm talking about
palpatine.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh, how does he, when he kills him, throws him down.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, that's the thing they had to you know.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So how does this guy?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
that's the thing that like that's see the we can talk
about the sequel trilogy.
Yeah is the storylines kind of.
But you know, the good thing isyou got dave filoni.
Dave filoni, he, he wrote theclone wars.
Okay, or directed so these arethe guys who wrote these movies
or I don't know if he wrote it,I know he produced it.
The clone wars uh, he also didthe mandalorian right soca
(24:56):
rebels um, he's really good.
So he what he did, is he?
If you watch like theMandalorian, they start tying
that in together.
They start just like they'relike band-aiding it you know the
whole.
Somehow Palpatine has survivedyou know, that line that drives
everybody crazy.
I think that's the whole thingwith them.
(25:17):
Remember they were grogu likethey wanted his because he had
the high mandalorian count, or mcount as they call it.
He had a metachlorian count,you know um.
So they needed his bloodbecause they were doing the
(25:39):
cloning.
So supposedly they clone um thepalpatine and somehow his soul
goes back into the.
Somehow they use some Sithalchemy to get his soul to go
back into his own clone, becauseif I cloned you you wouldn't
have your memories like you havenow Right right, it would just
be a walking zombie, yeah.
No, you'd just be a.
It would look like you, but itwouldn't be you, because you'd
(26:00):
have your memories.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Everything.
Yeah, it would have its own,yeah, have its own memories.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, right.
So you'd have a differentaccent too If I cloned you and
put you in Arkansas, you'd beRight on please.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, Got a straw hat .
You know it's crazy.
That's a stereotype, though.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, exactly, but no , yeah, so, like they kind of
tried band-aiding that alltogether, right, but uh, yeah, I
can't wait until, um, they, uh,they do uh that, that
Mandalorian movie.
So it's going to be good, it'scause I think it's going to tie
in all, it's going to tie in thethree series, I think, yeah,
(26:39):
the, uh, the.
The whole thing was, is, isthat they're going to the Thrawn
.
I think they're going to tie inthe Mandalorian, boba Fett and
the Ahsoka series all in oneWith the first episode we're
doing.
Turn his mic up and swing itaround.
Swing that around to you.
There you go, look at that,just bring it a little closer to
(27:00):
you Right there.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
You're good about here.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So everyone, this is Justin Hello.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
He's also going to be doing our next podcast with us,
actually, um, so he's doing oneand a half with us right now.
Okay, okay, you're helping usout with this one.
Uh, we're doing like.
Tom is talking about everythingfrom the series, from
everything from uh.
He started from the beginningand did it chronologically.
Is that what you said, tom?
You were doing it.
He did it andologically.
Is that what you said, tom?
(27:26):
You were doing it?
He did it, and he watched allthis the Star Wars series, all
the Star Wars series.
Yeah, yeah, in that order.
Yeah, yeah, that's a killer.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
to go through Clone Wars takes forever.
To get through Clone Wars doestake forever.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, Because you have the whole series to get
through.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
And about how um we weretalking about, are they going to
come out with a veda serieswhere it's just about veda and I
think, I think, I think kateand christian said would be up
for it?
I think that would be reallyfun.
Um, I know that there is awhole series of comics that they
could go through.
(27:56):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like absolutely crush a series, oh absolutely I know
the materials, therefore thecomic material alone I don't
know if it's the first comicbook, but the the one where he
gets, where he has to bleed thecrystal, he has to kill a jedi
in order to get, because he wasexplaining how that works.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know what he's talking about.
Yeah, where he gets you gottakill their.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Do you have to kill them with their lightsaber, just
kill them with their own life.
I believe you just have to takea life yeah, and then their own
saber yeah and then you get thelightsaber and then you just
bleed the crystals.
What you say wow, and thatmakes it red yeah, to pour your
hate and anger, and then itcracks and there's like a they
do kind of go into the the forcewith.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Like the force does make a kyber crystal red, okay,
and it it requires a directaction of the dark side.
Yeah, interfering with thelight side?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
aka right, someone killing a jedi yeah, yeah,
typically is the most directroute to that exactly um, and so
that makes your kyber crystalsred.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
But yeah, there's.
There's so many great comicseries.
Aaron would have plenty to tellyou about.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
She loves the.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Vader comics.
So she's a Star Wars freak likeyou as well.
I mean for the most part, yeah,or is she more than you?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, no, no, I'd say it's about the same.
I had to introduce her to theClone Wars series Okay, the last
little bits of it.
I didn't make her sit throughabsolutely everything.
Because I didn't make her sitthrough absolutely everything
because there's plenty therethat just doesn't need to be,
but I did.
I got her through the wholeClone Wars series for the most
part and, most importantly, thefinal season of the Clone Wars
(29:34):
series, which was incrediblygood.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Do you know what I did to watch the final season?
The last four episodes takeplace during Revenge of the Sith
.
Oh, did you split it up inbetween?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
them?
Yeah, take place during Revengeof the Sith.
Oh, did you split it up?
Yeah, in between them.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I'm such a fucking nerd At the end of the
one episode when Ahsoka partswith Obi-Wan, right and Anakin.
That's where the movie starts,because they say, oh,
coruscant's under attack and wegotta go Right.
So then you start the movie andit's right there, okay.
But then you start the movieand it's right there.
So it's weird, though, becauselike, oh my God, I'm seeing them
(30:05):
in live action.
You've watched an entire seriesof them, especially if you
binged it like I did, right themin animated, so that's kind of
cool, but then you got to findwhen to switch it back to the
other.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
There's a pausing point in the third movie.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
You guys are crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I wait until he's till palpatine's, like uh, uh,
you know have I ever told youthe tragedy of darth plague is
the wise and then I go to thenext one yep, yeah, there's a
there and there's.
There's like standout scenes inthat final season that let you
because it's so tightly knit didyou do that as well?
I didn't do it that way, no,but there are.
It are, it's very clear.
In the seventh season of CloneWars there are these standout
(30:48):
scenes that like let you knowexactly what's going on.
In episode three there's amoment where Ahsoka's on the
ship.
It's giving you a nice clue andshe, like, feels the
disturbance.
And it's the exact same momentthat Order 66 happens.
So it's like you're getting theexact play-by-play.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And that's a.
You get to see how long, likethe whole series, like they were
the most trusted and all of asudden they flipped because they
had that, and but they alsoshow how some of them, one of
them or two of them, had gotthat out of them, or I think it
was Rex.
(31:24):
What was the?
What was the?
Um?
Bad Batch Was it?
Is it Bad Batch?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, bad Batch.
Yeah, is it Bad Batch?
Yeah, bad Batch.
I watched that whole thing.
That was awesome.
I liked that.
It was a little slow in thebeginning when you started off,
but then I liked the whole story.
It was good.
How many seasons was with that?
Again, I think there's threeseasons of Bad Batch.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I did all of them.
I watched them all.
There was three seasons right.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was three way too in
some sense, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
in a sense, they kind of cover that very strange gap
between the prequels and theoriginals.
Yeah, yeah, uh, they cover thatweird space where there's not
really a lot of content.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Right, episode three, because there's you're trying
to and they see how they phaseout the clones too.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, okay there's yeah, there's a lot of that
covered in bad batch, um wow I.
I love how they got it all tiedtogether yeah, I love the, uh,
the little things that they didwith some standout clones, uh,
that weren't directly affectedor, like, somehow were able to
bypass that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I thought that was like really fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I know a lot of people in like the sort of star
wars discourse are, with thesenewer stories coming out,
starting to get tired of the oh.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
But there's this other jedi that survived because
they're at like a dozen nowthat somehow miraculously
survived was there ever anactual number, though, and you
got how many?
How many survived?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Kanan Ezra Ahsoka, I'm sure.
Well, Kanan died rebels, but hesurvived.
Order 66.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
My point exactly.
I'm pretty sure there's aYouTube video out there of this
guy covering like how many moreactually survived this?
Was it actually that lethal oris there just like 50 guys out
there that are perfectly fine?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Could have been more than that Seriously.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I'm'm asking you, I don't know because it's either
they were hunting them down withthe inquisitor, they were
hunting down with the.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So there was there is also a period where there was
inquisitors that were huntingthem down right.
So it it's.
It's strange because it seemslike the direction that they're
going is.
Order 66 killed a lot of Jedi,but not all of them, not
everybody, maybe really onlylike 75% two thirds give or take
(33:41):
, because they're doing so manystandout stories now where it's
like either it's someone whosurvived from the jump or they
were somewhere super far awayyeah, so they didn't have to
deal with it.
Or even in in some of these uhcomic series now you'll spend a
bunch of time with this rathermysterious hermit-like character
(34:04):
and it's like oh, they're jediyeah, you know so okay, sure,
why not?
Um obi-wan being one of them,yeah, obi-wan being one of them,
changing the ben um, butobi-wan did have to.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
He did lose it a little bit because he had to get
it's a back in touch with theforce again and he was not.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's something that dave filoni uh borrowed from a
lot of the comics and also, forthe kenobi series, borrowed from
the jedi survivor games.
Okay, with uh, with cal kestis,okay, they did something really
fun with like uh.
Obviously, with video gamemechanics, you have to build the
(34:44):
character over time, yeah.
Yeah, not exactly easy to do.
With the jedi they're kind ofsupposed to just do what they do
, right.
But for him, the whole thingwas that he spent a lot of time
without using his powers, and sothat's how you sort of level
and build the character, gotchaum, as he regains his force
abilities, just like obi-wan didin the kenobi series and then
(35:04):
he gets it back yeah, gets it atthe right freaking time.
Yeah all the way back yeah, allthe way.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I mean he's pelted him with those freaking boulders
, yeah it was a incredible scene.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, it was great scene and it's like one of the
only times that you get like areal uh show of his force
capability yeah, they do it alittle bit in the clone wars
series yeah, you'll get meobi-wan with obi-wan, because
obi-wan's so weird, because it'slike some people will just
wreck him, like he gets pushedin, bad, uh.
(35:37):
And then other times you havethese like miraculous moments
with specifically obi-wan, wherehe's doing things that scale
him way above other people,right in terms of power well, we
were just saying that too, thatobi-wan was considered one of
the like best, wasn't you?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
considered one of the best jedis.
Well, they considered him thebest in form two serisu.
Yeah he is, I know I threw itwhen I said that the first he's
the best in form two uh, by faruh, and they actually they don't
really uh depict many peopledoing form two either.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, it's like one of the rare ones now is it one
of the hardest ones is that whyit's just?
A defensive one okay really isworried about doing that right.
The only people that areworried about doing a defensive
form are people who areregularly fighting, people with
lightsabers, which during theclone wars wasn't super
prominent because there was onlytwo set at a time.
Gotcha um in the old republicdays, which gets, I think,
(36:32):
almost solely in games.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, yeah, maybe books, yeah, maybe books.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
There's like almost no media on Old Republic until
we got the one series HighRepublic.
High Republic is Accolade.
Yes, Old Republic was whenthere was like a lot of Form 2
users, or it was at least alittle more normalized.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Before the rule of two, because that was when there
was an army of yeah, the sithwere like legion, and then they,
yeah, darth bane did start therule of two oh bane, I don't
even.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I've never even heard that name darth bane's.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Uh pretty sick nasty.
Uh, he's probably one of thescariest Sith.
Lords he was like they tookDarth Vader.
It's like a wizard basicallyreally on top of being a Jedi he
was and like just so wildlyunkillable.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
They don't really explain it in the movies, but in
the Clone Wars they show it alittle bit.
You know, the Sith alsopractice like Sith alchemy, like
there's a scene with him andwhat's his name?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Darth Tyranus um uh, drawn a blank, but I know what
you're talking about he's got,he's like royalty, but anyway
they're like.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
you see him with like a cauldron or something like
that.
Okay, practicing force alchemyor something like that.
Really yeah, but they don'treally show that enough.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Darth Bane, he's like a brutishcharacter and is just wildly
unkillable Really.
There's a bunch of cinematicsof him getting locked.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
He reappears because there's no such thing as like a
Sith ghost, but there's Sithspecters and they can exist,
like in, like these Sith nexusesor these Sith temples In
between worlds and stuff likethat.
No, they can only exist in,like certain spaces.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Like spiritual places , but for the dark side.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Gotcha, I gotcha, yeah, all right, like a Sith we
were just talking about that.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
In regards to Anakin with the, was it the Sonoka?
How was he pronounced?
Again, the series, ahsoka,ahsoka, I'm sorry, and how she
was in the in-between with him.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yes, and how he was changing from.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Thwaka's balance and him the balance.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yes, the polarizing balance.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He's not necessarily balanced, but he's either on one
side of the scale.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, they're right.
Yeah, yeah, it's a.
It's a very fun concept, uh,because everyone always wants to
see a.
Um, the, it doesn't necessarilyexist, but this, the, the
theory of like a gray jedi yeah,yeah right.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Everybody always wants to see it and it's like
that's not one that's notsupposed to necessarily exist
because, yeah, I think uh lucassaid like because the the the
sith corrupts, the dark sidecorrupts, so you'll never be
better yeah, but if you werestrong enough willed person,
wouldn't that?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'll take it better it's it just corrupts you.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I think george lucas's point was that the dark
side is it is an infectiousthing.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So there's, you can't have any amount of it you're
gonna just take it, I got youokay but if you're dead and you
die during a redemption arc?
Yes you can, you can jump backand forth because you're not
dead.
You know, can't corrupt youbecause you're dead.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Because I was just saying to him Darth Vader,
anakin right, all the shit hedid, and then he at the end
kills and I literally killedplanets of people and then all
of a sudden now he does whathe's supposed to Right.
And she's a son andeverything's supposed to be fine
now.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yeah, so you know one life for billions, you save one
.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Oh, my God Makes up for a million, but when you
think about it, though, it'slike it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
No, not really.
Technically he should be thrownin jail.
I mean come on, yeah, no, well,there's a lot of theories on it
because he like he, he, he like, created like an alternate ego.
Well, he died.
So they say like oh vader isthe alternate ego.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But he did die anyway .
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So I mean died at the end.
So yeah, yeah um, and then hewent to the good side I think
probably one of my favoritethings that the clone wars did
was the episode where they wentout into deep space when they
the Mortis gods.
Yes, they met the actual, likeembodiments of light and dark.
(40:59):
And then the father.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
They're going to get into that the next season of
this.
Really, Absolutely Now, what isthat about?
So the um, there's the mother,the father we never see the
mother in the Clone Wars, butthe father never see the mother
in the clone wars.
But the father, the son and thedaughter.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
The daughter embodies the light side and the son and
the dark side okay the father is, I guess, both, and I guess
he's strange, he's like is allneutral gray character, um, who
basically just tries to stopthem from killing each other wow
, okay like on a daily basis, uh, and yeah, no, there's, no,
(41:34):
there's.
I don't think there's anydepiction of the mother.
No, yet, uh, which?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
is interesting, but I think there's there's theories
that she might be in the socaseries I would imagine so and
what would she be leaningtowards?
Very powerful gray or I mean,there's like so many directions,
the death mary witches wereafraid of whatever the fuck was
on that planet yeah, that's whyI think it might be the mother.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Okay, yeah, um.
And so that brings up a reallygood point.
If the, if the daughter, is anembodiment of light, yeah, um,
and that owl figure that ahsokaregularly sees Right.
And then the the sun, yeah, um,the sun is supposed to be the
embodiment of darkness, veryDarth, maul, esque looking edgy,
(42:22):
bad guy.
Um.
The father is this gray neutralwho looks very human in
comparison to his children.
The.
My theory is is that the mothercould, and the reason that the
dafmiri were scared of her isthat the mother could be the
embodiment of, like the, thedeep space, like scary side of
(42:46):
star wars okay like, uh, like,uh, what, uh, what's it called
Starweirds, which is like a bookthing?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Super scary Leviathan creatures out in deep space
that have made entirestarcruisers disappear.
Yeah, okay, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
And you know what that plays well too, because the
Purgle are like the only deepspace creatures we ever see.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So that would kind of tie it in that there's deep
space like creatures that existin deep space.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So there's stuff that they can still add on to, and
build off of and make morestories, which is really cool.
It's amazing how they come up,but a lot of this stuff wasn't
already out when the first StarWars came out, right?
It was just the comic books,the background, that's
interesting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Dave Filoni man.
He took it and ran with it.
Yeah, it's a good thing, andit's a good thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I hope he takes over for Kennedy, but you know.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
He took every little bit that George Lucas gave him
and found a way to flesh it outand add even more lore to it.
Right and it's remarkable work.
Honestly, he did an incrediblejob.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That's awesome.
Well, I think we had a goodtime doing this talk and I
appreciate you came in themiddle of it.
I didn't come in the middle 45sare usually cut off.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
So you see, we're right there.
We got a little thrown off.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
We had some technical issues, but I'm glad you're
here and has some technicalissues, but I'm glad you're here
, and then we could do the nextone.
So, anyway, tom, thank youJustin, I appreciate it, and may
the force be with you and foryou as well, sir, live long and
prosper.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
May the force be with you.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
May the force be with you.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
We'll do another one in two minutes, you got it.
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