September 3, 2025 • 44 mins
What lurks in the vast darkness of our planet's final frontier? Beyond the reach of sunlight, beneath crushing pressure, creatures both magnificent and terrifying have evolved in ways we've barely begun to comprehend.
The ocean's depths hold secrets that make science fiction seem tame by comparison. While we gaze skyward and pour resources into space exploration, we've mapped less of our ocean floor than the surface of Mars. This episode plunges into the abyss, examining eyewitness accounts from naval personnel who've glimpsed unexplainable entities in the deep, including a possible living plesiosaur observed during a submarine mission.
Consider this sobering fact: oceans cover 71% of Earth's surface, yet we've identified only 10% of marine life. Scientists continue to discover hundreds of new species yearly, including the recently documented guitar shark found 200 meters deep off the coast of Mozambique. The Mariana Trench plummets nearly 11,000 meters down, but our best submersibles have reached barely a quarter of that depth. What evolutionary marvels exist beyond our technological reach?
We explore the extraordinary intelligence and otherworldly abilities of octopuses, whose instantaneous color, texture, and pattern changes have military researchers studying them for advanced camouflage technology. Their genetic makeup is so unusual that some scientists have half-seriously suggested extraterrestrial origins. The conversation also examines "whale falls" – massive carcasses that create temporary ecosystems on the ocean floor, drawing creatures from the surrounding darkness.
Ready to have your perspective shifted? Dive into this episode and discover why the greatest unknowns might not be among distant stars, but right here on Earth, beneath the surface of our own oceans.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy
Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey, welcome everybody.
Hey, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
So fucking crazy.
Yeah, I'm not even looking atit.
If you guys could only see howwe were just going through.
It's just you know.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I can't believe we're having a good time, Like Dusty
we're having a good time.
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Yeah, that's it.
When I get home, I'm going topunch your mama right in the
mouth yeah so.
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How long did we go on for?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Eight minutes.
It was eight minutes, but itfelt like a fucking eternity, so
it was eight minutes but itfelt like a fucking eternity.
So it was eight minutes.
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
We're having a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
That was it Having a good time.
So with that we're startingover.
So now the discussion we werehaving, we have Justin on the
line.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
What's up, Justin?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How's it going?
Everybody that watched beforeJustin was on with us when we
did the Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
He will be back for that as well, and the
conversation we were having wasabout certain things that live
in the ocean that people havesightings of that are just
unexplainable.
But not only recently, but whathappened back in the past, in
(01:31):
the 1960s, you know, with thisgentleman who was on eight years
in the Navy.
He was on four subs, he was atechnician and he actually came
up, I believe, with what wasinvolved with the submersible
they went down with and whenthey went down and it was like
(01:51):
this thing could go down like5,000 feet Right, right, and
they got down and as they weredown there they were trugging
along like they were movingslowly along the bottom, and
then that's when they caughtthis thing in the corner of the
eye.
And then they got close andthey said this thing was
intelligent, because when theytried to maneuver it would
follow it and move with the,with the cast, but not in a way
where it was, it wasn't chasingthem, it wasn't going to do some
(02:12):
damage, and then when itfinally left it went over them
and just went up.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And what did you say?
This was.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Placiosaurus, see a sword right, if I'm not mistaken
.
Yeah, yeah, and, and, and theway he described it and the way
he put it in the log.
Of course he was doubted andpeople wrote uh, there was a
gentleman that wrote a bookabout it as well, but you know
they don't want people talkingabout that stuff and telling
people but listen, if there's uswho believe in this stuff and
(02:41):
who think strongly that this isabsolutely possible there's a
lot more yeah, this isabsolutely possible.
There's a lot more yeah,definitely.
Then just you know, there's alot of people that think the
same thing, so I don't know whatthey're worried about, right?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So Justin, what did you say?
It was that the percentage thatwe discovered?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, so 71% of the planet is the ocean and 10% of
marine life has been discovered10%.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
See, that's like an insane number.
Yeah, think about that, thinkabout how much we know already.
And that's only 10%, right?
10%?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's it Right , and that's only what we
believe, that we know, what webelieve, we know and what we
don't even what we ran into andwhat people are saying, and
obviously these things are.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
if it's only random at times, then these things are
smart enough to know to stay outof a certain, to not to become
noticed, right, you know?
Kind of like the whole big foottheory thing right, you know,
anything is so well stealthedthat you know, you see it for a
second and it's gone.
Yeah, kind of thing right.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
There's also the possibility of things that are
just incredibly, incredibly rare, right that's true too.
You know, maybe there's not aplethora of these things that we
don't know about, but maybethere's very, very few.
That same program that I wastalking about that discovered
860, some species in the lasttwo years.
(04:01):
They discovered a new type ofguitar shark.
They're sharks that are likeflat and kind of shaped like a
guitar.
Oh, yeah and they're they're.
The group of this species is sosmall that two-thirds of the
entirety of guitar sharks arethreatened wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, like these are super,super rare, and they just found
(04:24):
a new type out in Mozambique.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I bet they're only located in, like certain
areas of the ocean.
Probably yeah.
Like you won't find obviouslyif these things were in say the
Pacific, you're not going tofind them in the Atlantic Right,
and you might not even findthem in the Indian Ocean, or the
.
Arctic, which is going to becolder.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yep, did they say how fardown they found them, justin?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
200 meters down at the depth of Mozambique and
Tanzania off of the coast ofboth of those.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, yeah, so you see, so these are things that
are just so deep so far down,right, the giant squid, like the
giant squid, kraken, yeah, andthe kraken.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I went for the kraken to come back, release the
kraken.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, that's funny, bro.
You're stupid, but that's.
You know, those are things thatyou don't hardly ever see.
Right, they're giant, I meanwhat?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
yeah, so I mean, but they finally caught him, they
finally caught him on camera andbut they think that that's like
that was a baby well, they'vegot, they got a but lately
they've been getting him.
Now they've been getting, Iguess, because the camera's
getting bad, the technology'sgetting better, but they caught
it on camera oh, you mean, Ithought you meant they caught it
like from fishing.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh, they got it on film like they caught the squid
On camera.
My bad, I misunderstood whatyou said yeah, oh, no, kidding
they finally were able to get it, and these things are huge, man
.
Yeah, and these things couldkill whales, for what I
understand, right.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, yup, yup, these things fight for whales.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
There's also this very fun bone theory that some
paleontologists talk about.
It's more of like a skepticismthing, but the idea is that
there are some bones that are solarge and unidentified that
there's a possibility that someof the bones that we think
(06:14):
belong to certain largeprehistoric things may actually
be really small parts ofsomething much, much larger.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
What.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Wow, I mean larger than the dinosaurs Larger than
most of the things we know of.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Oh gotcha.
Well, that's pretty scary.
So that's kind of like aGodzilla kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, Not necessarily , but the only reason that this
has any stability is becausethat there are some bones that
have been found that are solarge that they genuinely aren't
sure what it belongs to.
Right Whoa.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now, those are the things.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
They can only skepticize on what it might have
been.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But is that for water creatures or for land creatures
?
Oh, there's, there's accountsfor both.
Ooh, wow, that's wild, that'sinsane man.
See, that's insane.
Because I mean, so that'sinsane man, see, that's insane.
(07:20):
So everybody's heard of LochNess Monster, and they were
talking about that because theremight be where the Loch Ness
Monster might be able to gounderwater tunnels and end up in
another one of the things thatyou know fishermen have seen, or
you know even the submersibles,and videos and stuff like that
may have actually seen them orseen Loch Ness Monster, and
that's why they can't, ever,they can't get it all the time
in.
You know Loch Ness, you knowwhat I mean, right, that they
can't get the pictures of it.
So then, now again, andsomething we had said before we
(07:43):
always look up, we always try togo to space, going to Mars,
going to the moon and all thatother stuff, because there's a
totally different planetunderneath.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right, they've got to do that Right and right here.
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
On our planet.
The movies yeah, we always talkabout movies and things.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But was it the journey to the center of?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
the earth, it's hard to go in there because of the
pressure versus space.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you know what the thing is is the weight of
water.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well, there, yeah, that's why these things have to
be able to take that kind ofpressure, not like the one with
the joystick and the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's positive pressure, right.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, they just need to stop trying to send people in
there, like there's, if you,well, I'm just saying Well, no,
I'm saying like, as far as, aspeople having to be in a
submersible, you don't need thecameras are to where we can just
turn around, send a camera, youcould just say right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, some people want to go because of the
excitement.
I people want to go because ofthe excitement.
I get it.
Yeah, listen, but if it's a, ifthe submersible is good, it's
made to do what it does, likethis particular one he used.
He had his hand in it right,designing it, you know, involved
in it some way or another, andand and he was somebody who was
a navy.
He was, he was a technician, sohe knew what was needed in
(09:00):
order to get that.
I think he was the first one.
Actually, are they?
Were they water flumes?
Justin, that's what they callthem.
I think they discovered waterflumes.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, thissame gentleman was the one who
discovered those.
Was it water flumes?
Okay, if they come out at thebottom of the ocean?
Did you say just kind of pushout?
Was it like heat?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Like water flumes.
Yeah, no, it Like water flows.
Yeah, no, it's water.
That's what, like I think,twice the temperature of the
water around it, right, it'sjust pushing up through the
bottom.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You could see it.
No shit, yeah, yeah.
So he discovered those.
He also did Titanic.
He was the first one to be ableto go down there and do that as
well.
Yeah, and that was early.
Right so you're thinking 1960,I think it was 1968.
Okay, was when he well, youknow this guy was into what he
was doing.
He knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So you can trust this guy, right, right yeah, he
knows what you need to get downin the water.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Right.
So you don guys.
But back then that's prettyimpressive because, thinking now
, the technology we have now,I'm sure these things can go
even better.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Right, I mean, some of the stuff now is like
incredible, there's there's 24hour live streams dedicated to
showing you drone footage.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
All right yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's cool.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, that's cool, how far down For anyone that's
like super interested in thatstuff.
Ev Nautilus on YouTube is achannel that is dedicated to
showing you highlights fromtheir 24-hour live streams,
where they do little delves withtheir drone and they have
marine biologists on the linetelling you what they find.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Whoa, that's insane.
I didn't even know that.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
That's pretty cool and what's great about those?
You can, like you said, youdon't have to be in it in order
for you to discover what'sunderneath there.
I guess those who go in there.
They have that.
They need that rush to go down.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I guess man.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
There's a sorry, there's another panel.
I think I panel, I think Idon't believe it's evenautilus,
but they have like a basicallylike a historic record of being
the first live streameddiscovery of a species right,
that's awesome that's insane,because they found something on
their stream that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Did they get a good picture of it?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
oh, they had like a full resolution video.
I believe it was some type ofjellyfish wow see, that's just
insane, bro.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yes, see, that's how much we don't know that like
it's so easy to find.
If I don't know I want to sayeasy, but like you know what I
mean like the chances of if yougo in like an unknown part of
the ocean, that you'll probablyfind another species that we've
never seen before right, becausethe deeper you go, the
different you know species.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's there because doesn't the water get warmer
again?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I don't.
I don't know how that works.
I just only know that you gotcrushed if you didn't have the
right vehicle to go down.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, I'm not sure about what the temperature.
I believe it gets colder.
I think the only thing thatmight change that is like
methane pockets.
But I believe that I believethat the methane pockets and
like methane lakes, underwaterlakes, I'm pretty sure they're
extra cold, okay, I thought itwas the other way around, okay,
okay.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's wild man it's just so, and and it's,
it's dark.
There's then how the fish haveadapted.
You know, like they have, likeI guess it's like a glow lure.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Well, one fish has a lure, Bioluminescence and
whatnot yeah all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So you know all the like, the little jellyfish
things.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
That's how they park and they get the other fish
Right.
You know that's how they getthat.
Yeah, bioluminescence is superinteresting.
And it's so rare in like bothflora and fauna that anytime it
comes up it gets like thoroughlystudied so that they understand
how it works.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, because it's just crazy and, like we were
saying before, you know, like,even with the giant squid, the
whales and stuff like that thatare that far down, there's no
light, and they still find theirway around, they know how to
find their food.
That's their environment, youknow yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I mean it goes to say what about something like the
Megalodon?
Right, that's the shark who'sto say there isn't one, that's.
I'm not saying there is, but alot of people seem to think so
because hey, if that this thingslipped through, what else could
have gotten?
And just is keeping out of thiseyesight so that it doesn't
bring detention to itself.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know it would be crazy, right, if there was like
they thought that like a fossilof a megalodon, like they
thought it was older than it was, but it wasn't as old as they
thought it was.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was actually a couple hundred years old.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
So what you're?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
saying is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And that kind of supports the bone theory again.
Yeah, right exactly like youknow, like megalodon does have
the potential to be somethingthat's real because, you know,
maybe there are some whale bonesthat have been improperly
identified as whale bones rightright, because they really don't
know until they actually havetheir hands on it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I mean, I did.
Don't they already have, um insome museums, bones of the
megalodon?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
With the teeth, I think With the teeth Right or
things similar, right wherethey'll find a rib cage or
something.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Not a full skeleton.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
This belonged to a fish.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Right, a very large yeah, and the teeth are like
huge yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, because what is it?
What's the trench?
The deepest, mariana Trench.
Yeah, so like even we can't,still even with you know the
little bit of technology that wehave, that's where the drone's
coming, but that's the thing.
They can't even go down thatfar because they implode that
deep Right.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
You have it coming up with something that's capable,
right, so that drone submersiblefound those new sharks at 200
meters down.
Right, right, the MarianaTrench goes 10,900 meters down.
Wow, you see, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yep, so they haven't even been able to get down that
far to see what else is downthere.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
What's the farthest that we have gone down, though
what does a normal sub go down?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, let's find out.
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I'm not sure how far down a regular sub goes.
You know, I'm just thinkinglike in there it, there could be
a whole other world, literally.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
you know, oh, absolutely, they could be like
okay, so 10,000, 900 andsomething feet was the Mariana
Trench In 2019, they got asubmersible down the Mariana
Trench to 2,928.
So it was just a few metersshort, wow.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's impressive.
Yeah, of the bottom.
Yeah, that's impressive, man.
Yeah, we've gotten to thatwhere we're at.
So maybe we do have thetechnology or we're getting
close to it, to where we'recapable of doing it.
Yeah, we've gotten to thatwhere we're.
So maybe we do have thetechnology or we're getting
close to it, to where we'recapable of doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah Well, they just didn't have enough cable because
it's just submersible.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, but that took years for them to build and they
stress tested it to itsabsolute max and not that low.
Exactly yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So the same kind of process.
They would do with the rover onMars and everything Right, as
they would do with the rover onMars and everything Right, right
.
They have to do all that tomake sure this thing is as
rugged as possible and it'sgoing to survive the elements.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You know what the thing is too, though I would say
that things like that, like ourtechnology has gotten us that
deep, the things that couldexist at lower pressures than
that, like that is merit, for,like you were saying before,
like what, if there is alienshit in the?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
bottom.
She's picking my brain yeahexactly.
There are people that say thatof course you know, you see
these things online and whatever, whatever you know, but they
would say, yeah, there is,they've.
Who knows how long they've beenusing the water, for how long
they've been doing it, right?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, that's what Tom was saying.
Tom has said that a long timeago.
Well, a few episodes back,because we're talking about
underwater.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Because you can't see it, but we don't know.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, he was talking about underwater cities and
stuff.
You know that we just can't getto.
You don't know that it's there,you know?
Yeah, that'd be insane to turnaround and end up stumbling on
it, you know right.
Well, what about that?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
one story I was telling you where, uh, what
lurks beneath?
I'll try to get all everythingthrough this gentleman he was a
russian gentleman, I forgot whatcountry he was in, and he was
also in the military submarineor whatever, and he was going
out as a hobby, to go out, andhe weighted himself down and he
walked into the water and hewent.
He found this like a tube, likealmost like a like a torpedo
(17:33):
kind of thing, right, and hetried to pull it out of his
truck but he couldn't move it.
So he was like, oh fuck this,I'm going down there.
And he took a drill with himand he drilled into this thing.
This is the story, right.
And then this like materialcame out, like this like gel or
whatever, and the next thing,you know, this like being was
living in and he happened todrill into that by putting the
(17:55):
drill and they happened to drillinto this being, and then one
thing led to another, and thisthing grabbed his arm and cut
him and had like sharp you know,these are
stories that people told.
Yeah, but they swear to it andthey found this guy, uh, this
truck running, because he wasdown in the water and his truck
was running.
They went down and they saw himfloating in the water and they
pulled him out and he had cutson his wrists and everything
(18:16):
right, trying to grab himeverything, yeah.
So who knows what the hell isthat?
What?
Why would that thing need to?
A tube, not like a shell, rightor cocoon?
So if it's a tube, it came fromsomewhere else and it was down
there because it wasn't ready tocome out yet.
It was still working, it wasstill doing whatever it was
doing, right?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
yeah, jeez, I'm just trying to figure out.
It was left.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, I don't know, I think.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I love that shit, man , because it's just know no,
yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And you know if that was only a piece of what the
rest of the the tube was.
You know what I'm saying.
Like that might have been justa little part and it maybe went
deeper or was under the sand,you know, on the silt oh yeah,
maybe it was part of a largervehicle or a vessel of some sort
.
Right, that thing just happenedto be like right there stopping
(19:07):
him, like it wasn't probablyright there, like he probably
didn't drill through it.
No, he did, he drilled, hedrilled into it.
So I'm thinking.
He drilled into it, finallybroke through Right and then.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It was at least a four inch the way they said.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Four or six inch drill bit that he had on there
Right then, as he did it, itmight've come out from it,
might've come out from anotherdoorway.
No, I think it just busted thestructure of it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Oh, okay, I think it's somehow, and I think just
because that gel came out firstand then everything came from
that supposedly.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
and then it broke out Well, always gotta touch shit.
Stop, stop, don't Well peoplethat's how we've discovered
stuff man.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
These people are brave though large oceans or
bodies of water and you're goingdown to you know and you don't
know what you're going to find.
You know what you're going torun into.
That's insane man, you know.
And hopefully, if you do runinto anything, it's it's kind of
like not aggressive and it'snot going to do anything to you
and kind of be more as curiousabout you as you are about them,
Right, right, so they grab it,grabs your hand and makes you
(20:04):
bleed and bleed, and then theyfind you on the shoreline
freaking, mumbling shit.
We got to put his ass in thebooby hatch.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, that shit is insane bro.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
And I think the alien thing is also an absolute
possibility, because you don'tknow, we don't know what's in
the water, even as far as theNavy can go.
And what if there is somethingthat they already know about
down there?
Yeah, and what if there issomething that they already know
about down there and we don'tknow about?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
it.
They're not telling anybody.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm a firm believer of that that's why we talk about
this stuff because it'sinteresting, that's just bananas
do you think that?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I was going to say that it's also interesting that
there's stuff that we do knowbut don't fully understand yet
right all day with, with, withthe wildlife in in the ocean you
know there's.
There's so many studies on thebioluminescence stuff and the
algae, uh, trying to understandhow it works and how it can
(21:03):
actually be like replicated yeahand and, as far as that goes to
octopuses.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
No, for as long as we can remember, and we still
don't understand how they work.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well, isn't the theory?
Also they say, justin, thatthey come from another planet
cause they're not from here.
Is that?
Is that?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
yeah, it's so unexplainable, that it it does
feel and seem incredibly alien.
That's crazy.
There's military research thatfunds Cornell University to try
and understand and developcamouflage that mimics what an
octopus can do with its skin.
(21:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Whoa, I know.
You see those videos of theoctopuses how they camouflage
it's like it's, it's it.
It makes chameleons look likethey barely do it right yeah,
they're like the chameleon ofthe water, yeah yeah but like
chameleon, but it's sounexplored like we understand
what chameleons do.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, we don't understand how octopuses do what
they do so rapidly.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Right, they do it rapidly, but they also mimic
texture.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Right, right, and that's the key thing, it's not
just color over time.
It's immediate change of color,texture and also print Right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, that's bananas, dude, Like you're right it is.
That's insane.
I didn't know the army wasstudying it like that.
That's insane.
I didn't know the army wasstudying it like that.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I mean of course, though right you know,
imagine a world where a battleuniform could change on the fly.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Right, that would be pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, they're incredibly smart.
I was just watching a video.
Someone had like a pet octopusin a tank and like they would
give him different challengesand put different things and
he's like I can get intoanything.
He's like I put jar in there, Iput this in there.
He can just get anything get outof it too by the way yeah, yeah
, but, and like they wouldpurposely put his food in jars
to watch him open it and stufflike that.
(23:01):
Right, but they said he likebeing held and stuff he'd take
him out.
Like they take him out and holdhim for a little bit and put
him back in a water like he was.
Like that's high intelligence,like fish, don't do that.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Like fucking get away from you.
Know what I?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
mean, but this guy's like oh, take me out, hold me.
You know it's weird, geez,that's bananas it's definitely
an incredible life form, forsure, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah hell yeah, that is just so wild.
I said I didn't even know halfthat stuff about that Like with
the, just how they changed sofast.
I've seen them change quick butI thought you know I'm always
thinking like you know what Imean.
Like when they recorded it andthey just fast forwarded, just
for so whatever they go into,whatever it is that they meld
(23:41):
with.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
In a sense, you literally, if you don't see it
happen and them doing it, youprobably wouldn't be able to
pick it out after the fact.
So in other words, if youdidn't see them doing it, you
wouldn't know where they wereand be able to figure out.
It would take you a while tofigure it out it fools their
predators right, that's howtheir defense system works so
them even finding their own food.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The, the camouflage, like that you won't see them
coming.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Like seriously, you wouldn't see them coming there's
also the whole thing where it'slike we know, right, we found
stuff, I guess higher depth,that is like so evasive and so
camouflaged and so so fast thatif we were to apply that to the
(24:28):
depths like the ocean floor, ifthere's anything down there that
has those kinds of properties,we're never going to find it.
It's pitch black, and then theyalso have camouflage, and then
they're also that fast or havethe potential to be that fast
and they may even have it's kindof like Murphy's Law of Fish,
right, yeah yeah, right, andthey probably have the night
vision for fish too, so they cansee wherever the hell they're
(24:49):
going.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Right, they can see them way before we see, or they?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
can see us way before we see them.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah, kind of like an owl does at night Any
combination, yeah Right, anycombination of those genes in
fish that we already know couldexist in genes of fish that
we've never seen and might notever get in genes of fish that
we've never seen and might notever get Right.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, tell me if I'm wrong.
I know that they've beenfinding a new species of like
birds and other fish and stufflike that in the bayou, like in
the swamps and stuff becausethey're actually going in there.
That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
There was also a bunch of studies that were done
in 2020, pretty much as soon aslockdown started.
Some biologists began going outand searching and there was
like there's a new type offeline on Amazon that got
discovered.
There was something that wasthought to be extinct for like
25 years Another type of felinethat got rediscovered and is
(25:49):
still alive.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
See, that's insane man.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I love when that happens when they think
something's gone Right and thenthey find it.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Oh I guess it's not, but now think of how many things
that we even still with us andhow humans we're spreading out
and we've taken out so much ofthe Amazon jungle and just
forest and whatnot, and there'sstill things that we're
discovering, still things thatwe're finding brand new.
(26:19):
You know what I'm saying.
It's like, dude, you can onlyimagine what's literally
underwater.
I mean, if we're finding thingson land and then, like you
already said, justin, you knowthings that they find you know
and trying to study with theoctopus and the bioluminescence
Dude, it's like the idea Well,that's going to be all study for
(26:41):
, like military stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean, I'm sure there'd be some.
You could probably get a lot ofgood stuff out of that too, as
far as medical and things likethat.
Who knows what those speciescan do for that purpose too.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I know that, because you can cut off a starfish a
starfish or tentacle at leastthat's the that theory.
You might know that it can growback.
You know that's spider-manthat's a credible hook too, yep
right yeah, I know that.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I know that there's uh, I don't remember what animal
it comes from, but medical glue.
Medical glue was developed fromsomething.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's right, oh right yeah, I forgot what that
was.
I don't know, I just used.
I can't remember what it's yeah,just like, yeah, I'll shut, I
gotta put the glue on and I'mgood.
But yeah, you're right, bro, Idon't remember what that's from.
Sorry that that's.
I can't remember what I know,but still I'm trying to remember
.
Yeah, but it's just crazy, man,you know how much, how many
(27:34):
things that we use or try tocome up with medically, you know
, or even an industry that mimic, you know, animals, mammals,
fish, you know just said thiswhere we can go in, hopefully
live a little bit longer.
You know what I'm saying.
It's crazy, you know, and I'lltell you what.
(27:58):
Man, listen, I don't know if Iwant to get a little bit of DNA
from one of the other animalsbecause I want to be a cyborg,
but you know it's one of thosethings.
But you know, I mean you'relooking at cancer cures.
You know what I'm saying.
You're looking at being able tohelp somebody who, you know,
loses a limb.
That would be insane To be ableto grow it back.
(28:20):
To be able to grow it back.
You know what I'm saying.
That would be crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, that's, but it's not saying that they
couldn't do that at some pointin the future.
Oh, yeah, if it's for goodthings and not, but, not.
But you know that the you knowthe pot was that deep, right,
right, but we're going to havethe hands in it for other things
as well.
Exactly, I mean, you know theyalready do it to dogs, right?
You know, they put titaniumteeth in German serpents.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you know it's.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They have these.
You ever see the trainingvideos of the puppies and going
in and they just you ever?
You see those justin for?
Yeah, I have for the military.
It's amazing.
Yeah, these dogs are, like it'ssuper trained.
I mean, yeah, just unbelievablehow they get them combat ready
and everything it's, just it'sme, that's what I'm saying, so
they're able to do that.
(29:06):
You know who knows what theyright, you know, and it's not
only united states, of course,when we say go to the world,
yeah anyway, but people do that.
We're not the on you knowgovernment in the world that's
going to test or do things.
On on you know, discover things, and.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, even private owners have done that.
You know they'll turn aroundand take out the, the regular
canine, from an animal.
You know cats.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, implants, so they can.
You know they can fight thedogs and whatnot.
And you know, on chickens, whenthey do the cockfights they put
the, they'll put on their extraclaw, they'll make them.
You know metal, yeah, or youknow whatever.
So this would be like when theyfight, they'll be able to dig
deeper into their, you know.
Cockfights with a switchblade.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
(29:52):
That's crazy, it is crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Justin, how, when you okay, I'll finish up with the
what.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I was going to say back to back to that
investigating and medicalresearch in like animals in
general, I did find a couple ofthings that I thought were of
note.
Dogs were used in the discoveryof insulin, monkeys were used
to develop the polio vaccinethat I knew, and mice were used
to develop the rabies vaccine.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
What.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Also, pigs were used to develop skin grafting for
burn victims.
That.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I knew too.
Yeah, because it's like theclosest skin to a human being,
supposedly is skin.
Yeah, and this is right uptom's alley because you know
he's the.
Uh, I know we're just talking.
I'm saying but it's just funnythat it's coming up and how some
good things come out, but atthe same time it's unfortunate
for the animals that they'redoing this shit too.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, that is an interestingethical question for you yeah
about like what?
How?
I mean you know whether how doyou balance?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
that kind of greater good for you yeah, it's.
It's always a tricky onebecause, like what's the right
answer right there?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
really, isn't really no right answer right, you're
kind of like stuck in the limbo.
In a sense it's a dilemma.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, isn't that what a definition of a dilemma is?
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, so look, so when you turn around and you
grow a body part, so like theygrew ears in on the back of rats
Right, you know what I'm sayingTo turn around, and then you're
not really hurting the rat.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
You're using just the shape, yeah I mean like it's,
there's so much to it, though.
You know what I mean.
Like no, there is there.
It's tough.
It's hard when you have tocontest with something like the
discovery of insulin right right, right you know what, how do we
even begin to approach thatconversation?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
right exactly right, right, yeah it Right.
So then, how would you?
So then now us looking at theseanimals.
You know underwater species,you know we're going down there.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Do we really go down there and You're not going to
get any of these things?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
There's no way, Dude you can't, you don't have the
technology to even get down inthe first.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You can't even see them.
First of all, they have theadvantage on you.
Even if you've got the mostpowerful LED light to go down
there, you don't have theadvantage.
You do not have the advantagewhen you're down there.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So now, when they find the bone, though, and they
bring the bone back and they doDNA check on it you know what
I'm saying and they find youknow things in there like, oh my
God, this could be for this.
They can this could be.
Oh, I see what you're saying youknow, what I'm saying I thought
you were talking about, likethem, actually capturing.
Oh, no, no, I know we wouldn'tbe.
No, no, I'm with you, wewouldn't be able to catch
anything.
You know, it's just you know,but it's remnants found.
(32:50):
I guess we'll call it the whalegraveyard, right, you know how
they have an elephant graveyard.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
They go to a certain spot and then they die.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
They haven't been able to find the whales right
Because they go down so deep Idon't know.
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Right, well, so that's actually.
It's a big thing that they usein marine biology.
It's called whale falls, andit's when carcasses finally hit
the ocean floor.
They love sending drones tothose to just sit there and
watch them for weeks, becauseit's a huge time for activity
down at the ocean floor.
(33:25):
So many things come around forwhale falls?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh, because they eat, it right yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And it's to the smallest microdome.
You know, it's just crazy shit.
It's like imagine it's to thesmallest micro.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
You know, it's just, it's like imagine it's the
desert and then suddenly, in away, it just popped up right,
right, everything's gonna belike food, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
So whatever's done, eating off of one and finishing
it off.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Now something else comes in and gets the bones and
then also the things that preyon those things.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Oh yeah, that's, true , it's a cycle.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Kuna Matata.
Yeah, so anytime they find awhale fall, they send a drone to
sit there and watch it, andthey usually send another drone
to go look around the whole area.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
See what is crawling in their ways, and that's
probably another way too, toidentify species you probably
didn't even see before.
Depending on what it could be,something out of the blue and
show up and be like what thefuck is that?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, the key things they target are, you know, food
Right.
If there's a source ofnutrients at the floor nutrients
at the floor.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
They're gonna stay by until something comes around
which makes sense.
That's a good way to discoversomething.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, getit on film.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They don't know, maybe they do I don't know, but
anything that's a resource downthere, they try and stay around
it wouldn't it be interesting ifthey found a species that only
relies on fall from otheranimals, like whales, dolphins
or fish, and like they staydormant, like they, like, they,
almost like, go into a stasis,and they could stay that way for
(35:02):
hundreds of years until a fallcomes and then they wake up and
eat the fall and then they goback into a stasis.
Dude, that'd be so like insane,because I mean that would be an
interesting species.
Sci-fi too man and theoretically, you know, as a means of
survival, they evolved to bethat way, they don't get a lot
of nutrients.
They're trapped there at thebottom of the ocean floor and
(35:24):
just like stay petrified almostuntil like they sense like
something nearby and they canwake up and eat it.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I just came up with that right now.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Sounds like something from Gladiator telling about
the serpent Right.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
There's plenty of things that do things similar to
that Murphy's Law.
There could be a fish versionof that.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And just stretch out the time length a little bit,
right.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Don't they have those tube worms, that they sit
pretty much near methane gasesand any of the you know any
little microbes that comethrough little fish or whatever
they eat them, you know, becausethey're nibbling on them, the
crabs and such, and they sitthere and they're dormant until
something comes in there, andthen they grab it, but even
something like.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I was yeah, Go ahead.
Sorry, I don't want to cut youoff I was thinking sand trap
spiders.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Right, I was thinking those really flat fish that
mimic the ocean floor and theyjust sit on it.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, Right, and they just wait.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, and their heads are sideways, so they're always
looking up.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
But I was also thinking something like like I
remember hearing, like Iremember like when I remember
like the 2000s, like there waslike research is like bed bugs
remember, right, bed bugs andlike hotels a bit.
You know all this talk aboutand like, but the thing is you
can't starve them out, likeright it's really hard to starve
them out you have to like youcan freeze them out because they
don't do well, but you can't belike, oh, just leave the room
(36:56):
for several months.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
They'll just no, no, yeah you gotta.
I think the freeze is the onlyway you can do it with them,
because I don't think heat makesit worse, right?
No, heat kills them.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, it's gotta be like heat, but also freezing
them out too.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah like burn the house down.
Who's got the gasoline?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
No, but they do freeze out easily, like they say
.
Like if, like, you have like amattress with bed bugs or
something like that, they say,if it's like winter, you can
stick it outside and kill them.
Right, oh shit, okay, but likefor several hours.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I'll leave it out there a week Dude the whole
fucking winter.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
What are you talking about?
Get him in trouble with fire.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
How cold is it this week?
Yeah, later for that shit.
Five below that shit shouldwork.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, dude everything .
Yeah, it's just.
It's again like Tom, likeyou're saying, if we find those
out, you know, on land Right,they gotta exist in water.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
They gotta exist in water have to because we have no
clue.
We haven't, haven't touched it.
Yeah, an inkling, really, toknow what's going on down there.
For sure you know what I meanand yeah, we probably won't know
why we might find out some morestuff before the end of our
time on this planet yeah and I'msure there'll be some other
stuff that you know.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Eventually things will pop inside out and say hey,
like what was the name of thetrench?
Again, justin, the deepesttrench, mariana Trench, mariana
Trench.
So that's where they threwMegatron you know what I'm
saying.
Yeah, I know he's down there.
Yeah, so you know what I'msaying I'm just going, he's
there you know, I mean they, I'mjust saying, bro, you know, you
(38:32):
never know who and what's downthere, bro, it's just, it's
crazy.
It's just crazy.
And I almost wonder how much oflike the sci-fi movies and
stuff that we see because wealways make fun, you know, like
South Park and the Simpsons, howthey pretty much and even a lot
of movies, how they almost seemlike they're predicting the
(38:54):
future, yeah, yeah yeah, so now,and all these sci-fi movies and
stuff.
All our lives have been likethat it's probably just real,
you know, and that they'retaking what you know eyewitness
accounts you know stories.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I think it's just part of our DNA, because they
say we're made up of theuniverse already.
Right, when did we come from?
So maybe we still have memoriesof whatever it was, and that's
where all these ideas and stuffare coming from.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
You know and you're just making the sci-fi out of it
.
Yeah, that's the dragon theory.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Why is there so many depictions of dragons across
multiple areas and multipledifferent periods in history,
but because what they said, thatit was, I've heard the one
theory because the dragonsreally were here, right, and
they're just, you know know,different looking ones, so like
alligators and crocodiles, youknow same thing just a little
bit different and they're, youknow, bigger and yep, komodo
(39:44):
dragon, the komodo dragons, yeahand that looks like an
alligator.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
what about those old school paintings?
You see from back in the day,from like whalers and you know
people and you got these crazyoctopuses and stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
They're saying that's possible, that these things
were the round these things areaccurate and this is what was
going on, you know, and and likesame thing in like Asian
cultures, with the dragons andstuff like that, who's to say
Chinese and Japanese, boththat's right, but they said that
they found, didn't they?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Justin, did you see that, that they had seen?
There was depictions of it overhere with the Native Americans,
Like I mean, like not just inAsia, like there was some on
this side of the planet, onNorth America, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah that's all part of the.
That's all part of like thedragon argument the theory.
Right, well, it's not the samewith the so many depictions of a
flying lizard across so manyplaces Right, it's true.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
It's true, and they all look different.
They all have their own style.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Same thing with the, but they all carry the same
trait, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Do they all breathe fire, or is that something I?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
think that was a myth .
Do you think that was added?
I think that was.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
That's mostly old English folk.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Right, that's what I'm figuring, yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
But you could use Bigfoot for this theory too,
because of a little snowmanRight, it's the same thing,
right?
Only with a closer, olderclimate.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Or could it have been something that did live not
long ago and became extinct notlong?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
ago.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Right, like you know what I mean, like they were
hunted by, because I mean lookat the fucking buffalo, the
piles of bones and pictures ofthat.
You humans are fucking terriblein that aspect.
We are so bad, well like maybelike because it was such a
prized thing, like people likeyou know maybe, like a thousand
years ago, killed all thedragons off.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
They were killing first, so in the beginning I
guess we'll say like that In thebeginning everybody was killing
for food and clothing I get itand warmth, and then you know,
once the population starts toget, you know bigger, then we
start to take a little bit more.
And you know all that otherstuff Because you know, like you
said, polar bear, you knowregular grizzly bears, black
bear, Everything is for theirenvironment, so, depending on
(41:51):
where it comes from, what is it?
Is it the saber, not the saber?
Tooth, the um tigers?
No, the, oh my goodness.
Saber tooth tiger?
No, no, I'm sorry, not eventiger, oh my God, elephant, the
tusks, the tusks are supposed togrind them down A woolly
mammoth, that you know, right,war verses.
(42:16):
Then you know the ivory, theivory and all that other stuff
you know, for they did that withwhales too, for oil, right,
exactly so that you know.
But it was to, it was supposedto be just enough for us to
survive, right?
Not for us.
It's just that nifty ass cycle.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Well, people like the American Indians, or what do
you call it?
Eskimos, Eskimos, Thank youFrom you.
Know all those different thingsfrom all around the world right
.
If they all had the same ideathey use the animal, they use
everything of the animal, right,they respected the animal
because that was the way theyyou know they looked at it.
You know they knew it wassomething from Mother Earth, you
(42:53):
know they, if that was thementality, they were doing
everything the way it should bedone, naturally for that time,
right, right.
So then of course youeventually hope you move from
away from that, but but stillthey did it in the way in the
(43:14):
fields with the skin, just skinto death.
Yeah, and they didn't do nothingelse with the buffalo.
Yeah, I mean that's, that'sridiculous that's stupid.
Yeah, you know, and I get itkilling's killing.
But if one is doing one way andlearning from what is giving to
them, then they're saying, hey,mother's earth is providing for
us, she's our mother, she'staking care of us.
That's the mentality I wouldassume.
(43:36):
It's a totally different way ofthinking versus a guy who just
wants to make money off skin.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh yeah, definitely yeah definitely.
Well with that.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Right.
We are out of time.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yes, Justin, thanks for being on with us man, we
would love to have you here withus Always, but we'll be doing
more.
Hope to see you back soon, onceyou're feeling better.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, yeah, as soon as I'm mobile again, I have
everything ready to go.
I'm going to have to bring aniPad and a laptop, but we're
going to have a good time.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Nice, definitely.
That's what I'm waiting for,looking forward to it, yes.
So again, thank you, justin.
So love peace and egris, livelong and prosper.
Stay weird, holler.
Welcome to Cotman Crawford and the Jersey Guy
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Hey, welcome everybody.
Hey, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
So fucking crazy.
Yeah, I'm not even looking atit.
If you guys could only see howwe were just going through.
It's just you know.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I can't believe we're having a good time, Like Dusty
we're having a good time.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, that's it.
When I get home, I'm going topunch your mama right in the
mouth yeah so.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
How long did we go on for?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Eight minutes.
It was eight minutes, but itfelt like a fucking eternity, so
it was eight minutes but itfelt like a fucking eternity.
So it was eight minutes.
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So with that we're startingover.
So now the discussion we werehaving, we have Justin on the
line.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
What's up, Justin?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How's it going?
Everybody that watched beforeJustin was on with us when we
did the Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
He will be back for that as well, and the
conversation we were having wasabout certain things that live
in the ocean that people havesightings of that are just
unexplainable.
But not only recently, but whathappened back in the past, in
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the 1960s, you know, with thisgentleman who was on eight years
in the Navy.
He was on four subs, he was atechnician and he actually came
up, I believe, with what wasinvolved with the submersible
they went down with and whenthey went down and it was like
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this thing could go down like5,000 feet Right, right, and
they got down and as they weredown there they were trugging
along like they were movingslowly along the bottom, and
then that's when they caughtthis thing in the corner of the
eye.
And then they got close andthey said this thing was
intelligent, because when theytried to maneuver it would
follow it and move with the,with the cast, but not in a way
where it was, it wasn't chasingthem, it wasn't going to do some
(02:12):
damage, and then when itfinally left it went over them
and just went up.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And what did you say?
This was.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Placiosaurus, see a sword right, if I'm not mistaken
.
Yeah, yeah, and, and, and theway he described it and the way
he put it in the log.
Of course he was doubted andpeople wrote uh, there was a
gentleman that wrote a bookabout it as well, but you know
they don't want people talkingabout that stuff and telling
people but listen, if there's uswho believe in this stuff and
(02:41):
who think strongly that this isabsolutely possible there's a
lot more yeah, this isabsolutely possible.
There's a lot more yeah,definitely.
Then just you know, there's alot of people that think the
same thing, so I don't know whatthey're worried about, right?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So Justin, what did you say?
It was that the percentage thatwe discovered?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, so 71% of the planet is the ocean and 10% of
marine life has been discovered10%.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
See, that's like an insane number.
Yeah, think about that, thinkabout how much we know already.
And that's only 10%, right?
10%?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, that's it Right , and that's only what we
believe, that we know, what webelieve, we know and what we
don't even what we ran into andwhat people are saying, and
obviously these things are.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
if it's only random at times, then these things are
smart enough to know to stay outof a certain, to not to become
noticed, right, you know?
Kind of like the whole big foottheory thing right, you know,
anything is so well stealthedthat you know, you see it for a
second and it's gone.
Yeah, kind of thing right.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
There's also the possibility of things that are
just incredibly, incredibly rare, right that's true too.
You know, maybe there's not aplethora of these things that we
don't know about, but maybethere's very, very few.
That same program that I wastalking about that discovered
860, some species in the lasttwo years.
(04:01):
They discovered a new type ofguitar shark.
They're sharks that are likeflat and kind of shaped like a
guitar.
Oh, yeah and they're they're.
The group of this species is sosmall that two-thirds of the
entirety of guitar sharks arethreatened wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, like these are super,super rare, and they just found
(04:24):
a new type out in Mozambique.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And I bet they're only located in, like certain
areas of the ocean.
Probably yeah.
Like you won't find obviouslyif these things were in say the
Pacific, you're not going tofind them in the Atlantic Right,
and you might not even findthem in the Indian Ocean, or the
.
Arctic, which is going to becolder.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yep, did they say how fardown they found them, justin?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
200 meters down at the depth of Mozambique and
Tanzania off of the coast ofboth of those.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, yeah, so you see, so these are things that
are just so deep so far down,right, the giant squid, like the
giant squid, kraken, yeah, andthe kraken.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I went for the kraken to come back, release the
kraken.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, that's funny, bro.
You're stupid, but that's.
You know, those are things thatyou don't hardly ever see.
Right, they're giant, I meanwhat?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
yeah, so I mean, but they finally caught him, they
finally caught him on camera andbut they think that that's like
that was a baby well, they'vegot, they got a but lately
they've been getting him.
Now they've been getting, Iguess, because the camera's
getting bad, the technology'sgetting better, but they caught
it on camera oh, you mean, Ithought you meant they caught it
like from fishing.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh, they got it on film like they caught the squid
On camera.
My bad, I misunderstood whatyou said yeah, oh, no, kidding
they finally were able to get it, and these things are huge, man
.
Yeah, and these things couldkill whales, for what I
understand, right.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, yup, yup, these things fight for whales.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
There's also this very fun bone theory that some
paleontologists talk about.
It's more of like a skepticismthing, but the idea is that
there are some bones that are solarge and unidentified that
there's a possibility that someof the bones that we think
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belong to certain largeprehistoric things may actually
be really small parts ofsomething much, much larger.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
What.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Wow, I mean larger than the dinosaurs Larger than
most of the things we know of.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Oh gotcha.
Well, that's pretty scary.
So that's kind of like aGodzilla kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, Not necessarily , but the only reason that this
has any stability is becausethat there are some bones that
have been found that are solarge that they genuinely aren't
sure what it belongs to.
Right Whoa.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Now, those are the things.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
They can only skepticize on what it might have
been.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But is that for water creatures or for land creatures
?
Oh, there's, there's accountsfor both.
Ooh, wow, that's wild, that'sinsane man.
See, that's insane.
Because I mean, so that'sinsane man, see, that's insane.
(07:20):
So everybody's heard of LochNess Monster, and they were
talking about that because theremight be where the Loch Ness
Monster might be able to gounderwater tunnels and end up in
another one of the things thatyou know fishermen have seen, or
you know even the submersibles,and videos and stuff like that
may have actually seen them orseen Loch Ness Monster, and
that's why they can't, ever,they can't get it all the time
in.
You know Loch Ness, you knowwhat I mean, right, that they
can't get the pictures of it.
So then, now again, andsomething we had said before we
(07:43):
always look up, we always try togo to space, going to Mars,
going to the moon and all thatother stuff, because there's a
totally different planetunderneath.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Right, they've got to do that Right and right here.
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
On our planet.
The movies yeah, we always talkabout movies and things.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But was it the journey to the center of?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
the earth, it's hard to go in there because of the
pressure versus space.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you know what the thing is is the weight of
water.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Well, there, yeah, that's why these things have to
be able to take that kind ofpressure, not like the one with
the joystick and the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's positive pressure, right.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, they just need to stop trying to send people in
there, like there's, if you,well, I'm just saying Well, no,
I'm saying like, as far as, aspeople having to be in a
submersible, you don't need thecameras are to where we can just
turn around, send a camera, youcould just say right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, some people want to go because of the
excitement.
I people want to go because ofthe excitement.
I get it.
Yeah, listen, but if it's a, ifthe submersible is good, it's
made to do what it does, likethis particular one he used.
He had his hand in it right,designing it, you know, involved
in it some way or another, andand and he was somebody who was
a navy.
He was, he was a technician, sohe knew what was needed in
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order to get that.
I think he was the first one.
Actually, are they?
Were they water flumes?
Justin, that's what they callthem.
I think they discovered waterflumes.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, thissame gentleman was the one who
discovered those.
Was it water flumes?
Okay, if they come out at thebottom of the ocean?
Did you say just kind of pushout?
Was it like heat?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Like water flumes.
Yeah, no, it Like water flows.
Yeah, no, it's water.
That's what, like I think,twice the temperature of the
water around it, right, it'sjust pushing up through the
bottom.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
You could see it.
No shit, yeah, yeah.
So he discovered those.
He also did Titanic.
He was the first one to be ableto go down there and do that as
well.
Yeah, and that was early.
Right so you're thinking 1960,I think it was 1968.
Okay, was when he well, youknow this guy was into what he
was doing.
He knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So you can trust this guy, right, right yeah, he
knows what you need to get downin the water.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Right.
So you don guys.
But back then that's prettyimpressive because, thinking now
, the technology we have now,I'm sure these things can go
even better.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Right, I mean, some of the stuff now is like
incredible, there's there's 24hour live streams dedicated to
showing you drone footage.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
All right yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's cool.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, that's cool, how far down For anyone that's
like super interested in thatstuff.
Ev Nautilus on YouTube is achannel that is dedicated to
showing you highlights fromtheir 24-hour live streams,
where they do little delves withtheir drone and they have
marine biologists on the linetelling you what they find.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Whoa, that's insane.
I didn't even know that.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
That's pretty cool and what's great about those?
You can, like you said, youdon't have to be in it in order
for you to discover what'sunderneath there.
I guess those who go in there.
They have that.
They need that rush to go down.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I guess man.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
There's a sorry, there's another panel.
I think I panel, I think Idon't believe it's evenautilus,
but they have like a basicallylike a historic record of being
the first live streameddiscovery of a species right,
that's awesome that's insane,because they found something on
their stream that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Did they get a good picture of it?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
oh, they had like a full resolution video.
I believe it was some type ofjellyfish wow see, that's just
insane, bro.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yes, see, that's how much we don't know that like
it's so easy to find.
If I don't know I want to sayeasy, but like you know what I
mean like the chances of if yougo in like an unknown part of
the ocean, that you'll probablyfind another species that we've
never seen before right, becausethe deeper you go, the
different you know species.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's there because doesn't the water get warmer
again?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I don't.
I don't know how that works.
I just only know that you gotcrushed if you didn't have the
right vehicle to go down.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, I'm not sure about what the temperature.
I believe it gets colder.
I think the only thing thatmight change that is like
methane pockets.
But I believe that I believethat the methane pockets and
like methane lakes, underwaterlakes, I'm pretty sure they're
extra cold, okay, I thought itwas the other way around, okay,
okay.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's wild man it's just so, and and it's,
it's dark.
There's then how the fish haveadapted.
You know, like they have, likeI guess it's like a glow lure.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Well, one fish has a lure, Bioluminescence and
whatnot yeah all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So you know all the like, the little jellyfish
things.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
That's how they park and they get the other fish
Right.
You know that's how they getthat.
Yeah, bioluminescence is superinteresting.
And it's so rare in like bothflora and fauna that anytime it
comes up it gets like thoroughlystudied so that they understand
how it works.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, because it's just crazy and, like we were
saying before, you know, like,even with the giant squid, the
whales and stuff like that thatare that far down, there's no
light, and they still find theirway around, they know how to
find their food.
That's their environment, youknow yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I mean it goes to say what about something like the
Megalodon?
Right, that's the shark who'sto say there isn't one, that's.
I'm not saying there is, but alot of people seem to think so
because hey, if that this thingslipped through, what else could
have gotten?
And just is keeping out of thiseyesight so that it doesn't
bring detention to itself.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know it would be crazy, right, if there was like
they thought that like a fossilof a megalodon, like they
thought it was older than it was, but it wasn't as old as they
thought it was.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It was actually a couple hundred years old.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
So what you're?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
saying is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And that kind of supports the bone theory again.
Yeah, right exactly like youknow, like megalodon does have
the potential to be somethingthat's real because, you know,
maybe there are some whale bonesthat have been improperly
identified as whale bones rightright, because they really don't
know until they actually havetheir hands on it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I mean, I did.
Don't they already have, um insome museums, bones of the
megalodon?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
With the teeth, I think With the teeth Right or
things similar, right wherethey'll find a rib cage or
something.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Not a full skeleton.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
This belonged to a fish.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Right, a very large yeah, and the teeth are like
huge yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, because what is it?
What's the trench?
The deepest, mariana Trench.
Yeah, so like even we can't,still even with you know the
little bit of technology that wehave, that's where the drone's
coming, but that's the thing.
They can't even go down thatfar because they implode that
deep Right.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
You have it coming up with something that's capable,
right, so that drone submersiblefound those new sharks at 200
meters down.
Right, right, the MarianaTrench goes 10,900 meters down.
Wow, you see, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yep, so they haven't even been able to get down that
far to see what else is downthere.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
What's the farthest that we have gone down, though
what does a normal sub go down?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, let's find out.
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I'm not sure how far down a regular sub goes.
You know, I'm just thinkinglike in there it, there could be
a whole other world, literally.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
you know, oh, absolutely, they could be like
okay, so 10,000, 900 andsomething feet was the Mariana
Trench In 2019, they got asubmersible down the Mariana
Trench to 2,928.
So it was just a few metersshort, wow.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's impressive.
Yeah, of the bottom.
Yeah, that's impressive, man.
Yeah, we've gotten to thatwhere we're at.
So maybe we do have thetechnology or we're getting
close to it, to where we'recapable of doing it.
Yeah, we've gotten to thatwhere we're.
So maybe we do have thetechnology or we're getting
close to it, to where we'recapable of doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah Well, they just didn't have enough cable because
it's just submersible.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, but that took years for them to build and they
stress tested it to itsabsolute max and not that low.
Exactly yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So the same kind of process.
They would do with the rover onMars and everything Right, as
they would do with the rover onMars and everything Right, right
.
They have to do all that tomake sure this thing is as
rugged as possible and it'sgoing to survive the elements.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You know what the thing is too, though I would say
that things like that, like ourtechnology has gotten us that
deep, the things that couldexist at lower pressures than
that, like that is merit, for,like you were saying before,
like what, if there is alienshit in the?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
bottom.
She's picking my brain yeahexactly.
There are people that say thatof course you know, you see
these things online and whatever, whatever you know, but they
would say, yeah, there is,they've.
Who knows how long they've beenusing the water, for how long
they've been doing it, right?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, that's what Tom was saying.
Tom has said that a long timeago.
Well, a few episodes back,because we're talking about
underwater.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Because you can't see it, but we don't know.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, he was talking about underwater cities and
stuff.
You know that we just can't getto.
You don't know that it's there,you know?
Yeah, that'd be insane to turnaround and end up stumbling on
it, you know right.
Well, what about that?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
one story I was telling you where, uh, what
lurks beneath?
I'll try to get all everythingthrough this gentleman he was a
russian gentleman, I forgot whatcountry he was in, and he was
also in the military submarineor whatever, and he was going
out as a hobby, to go out, andhe weighted himself down and he
walked into the water and hewent.
He found this like a tube, likealmost like a like a torpedo
(17:33):
kind of thing, right, and hetried to pull it out of his
truck but he couldn't move it.
So he was like, oh fuck this,I'm going down there.
And he took a drill with himand he drilled into this thing.
This is the story, right.
And then this like materialcame out, like this like gel or
whatever, and the next thing,you know, this like being was
living in and he happened todrill into that by putting the
(17:55):
drill and they happened to drillinto this being, and then one
thing led to another, and thisthing grabbed his arm and cut
him and had like sharp you know,these are
stories that people told.
Yeah, but they swear to it andthey found this guy, uh, this
truck running, because he wasdown in the water and his truck
was running.
They went down and they saw himfloating in the water and they
pulled him out and he had cutson his wrists and everything
(18:16):
right, trying to grab himeverything, yeah.
So who knows what the hell isthat?
What?
Why would that thing need to?
A tube, not like a shell, rightor cocoon?
So if it's a tube, it came fromsomewhere else and it was down
there because it wasn't ready tocome out yet.
It was still working, it wasstill doing whatever it was
doing, right?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
yeah, jeez, I'm just trying to figure out.
It was left.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, I don't know, I think.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I love that shit, man , because it's just know no,
yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And you know if that was only a piece of what the
rest of the the tube was.
You know what I'm saying.
Like that might have been justa little part and it maybe went
deeper or was under the sand,you know, on the silt oh yeah,
maybe it was part of a largervehicle or a vessel of some sort
.
Right, that thing just happenedto be like right there stopping
(19:07):
him, like it wasn't probablyright there, like he probably
didn't drill through it.
No, he did, he drilled, hedrilled into it.
So I'm thinking.
He drilled into it, finallybroke through Right and then.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It was at least a four inch the way they said.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Four or six inch drill bit that he had on there
Right then, as he did it, itmight've come out from it,
might've come out from anotherdoorway.
No, I think it just busted thestructure of it.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Oh, okay, I think it's somehow, and I think just
because that gel came out firstand then everything came from
that supposedly.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
and then it broke out Well, always gotta touch shit.
Stop, stop, don't Well peoplethat's how we've discovered
stuff man.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
These people are brave though large oceans or
bodies of water and you're goingdown to you know and you don't
know what you're going to find.
You know what you're going torun into.
That's insane man, you know.
And hopefully, if you do runinto anything, it's it's kind of
like not aggressive and it'snot going to do anything to you
and kind of be more as curiousabout you as you are about them,
Right, right, so they grab it,grabs your hand and makes you
(20:04):
bleed and bleed, and then theyfind you on the shoreline
freaking, mumbling shit.
We got to put his ass in thebooby hatch.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, that shit is insane bro.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
And I think the alien thing is also an absolute
possibility, because you don'tknow, we don't know what's in
the water, even as far as theNavy can go.
And what if there is somethingthat they already know about
down there?
Yeah, and what if there issomething that they already know
about down there and we don'tknow about?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
it.
They're not telling anybody.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm a firm believer of that that's why we talk about
this stuff because it'sinteresting, that's just bananas
do you think that?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I was going to say that it's also interesting that
there's stuff that we do knowbut don't fully understand yet
right all day with, with, withthe wildlife in in the ocean you
know there's.
There's so many studies on thebioluminescence stuff and the
algae, uh, trying to understandhow it works and how it can
(21:03):
actually be like replicated yeahand and, as far as that goes to
octopuses.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
No, for as long as we can remember, and we still
don't understand how they work.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well, isn't the theory?
Also they say, justin, thatthey come from another planet
cause they're not from here.
Is that?
Is that?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
yeah, it's so unexplainable, that it it does
feel and seem incredibly alien.
That's crazy.
There's military research thatfunds Cornell University to try
and understand and developcamouflage that mimics what an
octopus can do with its skin.
(21:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Whoa, I know.
You see those videos of theoctopuses how they camouflage
it's like it's, it's it.
It makes chameleons look likethey barely do it right yeah,
they're like the chameleon ofthe water, yeah yeah but like
chameleon, but it's sounexplored like we understand
what chameleons do.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, we don't understand how octopuses do what
they do so rapidly.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Right, they do it rapidly, but they also mimic
texture.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Right, right, and that's the key thing, it's not
just color over time.
It's immediate change of color,texture and also print Right.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, that's bananas, dude, Like you're right it is.
That's insane.
I didn't know the army wasstudying it like that.
That's insane.
I didn't know the army wasstudying it like that.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I mean of course, though right you know,
imagine a world where a battleuniform could change on the fly.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Right, that would be pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, they're incredibly smart.
I was just watching a video.
Someone had like a pet octopusin a tank and like they would
give him different challengesand put different things and
he's like I can get intoanything.
He's like I put jar in there, Iput this in there.
He can just get anything get outof it too by the way yeah, yeah
, but, and like they wouldpurposely put his food in jars
to watch him open it and stufflike that.
(23:01):
Right, but they said he likebeing held and stuff he'd take
him out.
Like they take him out and holdhim for a little bit and put
him back in a water like he was.
Like that's high intelligence,like fish, don't do that.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Like fucking get away from you.
Know what I?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
mean, but this guy's like oh, take me out, hold me.
You know it's weird, geez,that's bananas it's definitely
an incredible life form, forsure, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah hell yeah, that is just so wild.
I said I didn't even know halfthat stuff about that Like with
the, just how they changed sofast.
I've seen them change quick butI thought you know I'm always
thinking like you know what Imean.
Like when they recorded it andthey just fast forwarded, just
for so whatever they go into,whatever it is that they meld
(23:41):
with.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
In a sense, you literally, if you don't see it
happen and them doing it, youprobably wouldn't be able to
pick it out after the fact.
So in other words, if youdidn't see them doing it, you
wouldn't know where they wereand be able to figure out.
It would take you a while tofigure it out it fools their
predators right, that's howtheir defense system works so
them even finding their own food.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
The, the camouflage, like that you won't see them
coming.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Like seriously, you wouldn't see them coming there's
also the whole thing where it'slike we know, right, we found
stuff, I guess higher depth,that is like so evasive and so
camouflaged and so so fast thatif we were to apply that to the
(24:28):
depths like the ocean floor, ifthere's anything down there that
has those kinds of properties,we're never going to find it.
It's pitch black, and then theyalso have camouflage, and then
they're also that fast or havethe potential to be that fast
and they may even have it's kindof like Murphy's Law of Fish,
right, yeah yeah, right, andthey probably have the night
vision for fish too, so they cansee wherever the hell they're
(24:49):
going.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Right, they can see them way before we see, or they?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
can see us way before we see them.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah, kind of like an owl does at night Any
combination, yeah Right, anycombination of those genes in
fish that we already know couldexist in genes of fish that
we've never seen and might notever get in genes of fish that
we've never seen and might notever get Right.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, tell me if I'm wrong.
I know that they've beenfinding a new species of like
birds and other fish and stufflike that in the bayou, like in
the swamps and stuff becausethey're actually going in there.
That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
There was also a bunch of studies that were done
in 2020, pretty much as soon aslockdown started.
Some biologists began going outand searching and there was
like there's a new type offeline on Amazon that got
discovered.
There was something that wasthought to be extinct for like
25 years Another type of felinethat got rediscovered and is
(25:49):
still alive.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
See, that's insane man.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I love when that happens when they think
something's gone Right and thenthey find it.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Oh I guess it's not, but now think of how many things
that we even still with us andhow humans we're spreading out
and we've taken out so much ofthe Amazon jungle and just
forest and whatnot, and there'sstill things that we're
discovering, still things thatwe're finding brand new.
(26:19):
You know what I'm saying.
It's like, dude, you can onlyimagine what's literally
underwater.
I mean, if we're finding thingson land and then, like you
already said, justin, you knowthings that they find you know
and trying to study with theoctopus and the bioluminescence
Dude, it's like the idea Well,that's going to be all study for
(26:41):
, like military stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I mean, I'm sure there'd be some.
You could probably get a lot ofgood stuff out of that too, as
far as medical and things likethat.
Who knows what those speciescan do for that purpose too.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I know that, because you can cut off a starfish a
starfish or tentacle at leastthat's the that theory.
You might know that it can growback.
You know that's spider-manthat's a credible hook too, yep
right yeah, I know that.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I know that there's uh, I don't remember what animal
it comes from, but medical glue.
Medical glue was developed fromsomething.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's right, oh right yeah, I forgot what that
was.
I don't know, I just used.
I can't remember what it's yeah,just like, yeah, I'll shut, I
gotta put the glue on and I'mgood.
But yeah, you're right, bro, Idon't remember what that's from.
Sorry that that's.
I can't remember what I know,but still I'm trying to remember
.
Yeah, but it's just crazy, man,you know how much, how many
(27:34):
things that we use or try tocome up with medically, you know
, or even an industry that mimic, you know, animals, mammals,
fish, you know just said thiswhere we can go in, hopefully
live a little bit longer.
You know what I'm saying.
It's crazy, you know, and I'lltell you what.
(27:58):
Man, listen, I don't know if Iwant to get a little bit of DNA
from one of the other animalsbecause I want to be a cyborg,
but you know it's one of thosethings.
But you know, I mean you'relooking at cancer cures.
You know what I'm saying.
You're looking at being able tohelp somebody who, you know,
loses a limb.
That would be insane To be ableto grow it back.
(28:20):
To be able to grow it back.
You know what I'm saying.
That would be crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, that's, but it's not saying that they
couldn't do that at some pointin the future.
Oh, yeah, if it's for goodthings and not, but, not.
But you know that the you knowthe pot was that deep, right,
right, but we're going to havethe hands in it for other things
as well.
Exactly, I mean, you know theyalready do it to dogs, right?
You know, they put titaniumteeth in German serpents.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah you know it's.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
They have these.
You ever see the trainingvideos of the puppies and going
in and they just you ever?
You see those justin for?
Yeah, I have for the military.
It's amazing.
Yeah, these dogs are, like it'ssuper trained.
I mean, yeah, just unbelievablehow they get them combat ready
and everything it's, just it'sme, that's what I'm saying, so
they're able to do that.
(29:06):
You know who knows what theyright, you know, and it's not
only united states, of course,when we say go to the world,
yeah anyway, but people do that.
We're not the on you knowgovernment in the world that's
going to test or do things.
On on you know, discover things, and.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, even private owners have done that.
You know they'll turn aroundand take out the, the regular
canine, from an animal.
You know cats.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, implants, so they can.
You know they can fight thedogs and whatnot.
And you know, on chickens, whenthey do the cockfights they put
the, they'll put on their extraclaw, they'll make them.
You know metal, yeah, or youknow whatever.
So this would be like when theyfight, they'll be able to dig
deeper into their, you know.
Cockfights with a switchblade.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
(29:52):
That's crazy, it is crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Justin, how, when you okay, I'll finish up with the
what.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I was going to say back to back to that
investigating and medicalresearch in like animals in
general, I did find a couple ofthings that I thought were of
note.
Dogs were used in the discoveryof insulin, monkeys were used
to develop the polio vaccinethat I knew, and mice were used
to develop the rabies vaccine.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
What.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Also, pigs were used to develop skin grafting for
burn victims.
That.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I knew too.
Yeah, because it's like theclosest skin to a human being,
supposedly is skin.
Yeah, and this is right uptom's alley because you know
he's the.
Uh, I know we're just talking.
I'm saying but it's just funnythat it's coming up and how some
good things come out, but atthe same time it's unfortunate
for the animals that they'redoing this shit too.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, that is an interestingethical question for you yeah
about like what?
How?
I mean you know whether how doyou balance?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
that kind of greater good for you yeah, it's.
It's always a tricky onebecause, like what's the right
answer right there?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
really, isn't really no right answer right, you're
kind of like stuck in the limbo.
In a sense it's a dilemma.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, isn't that what a definition of a dilemma is?
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, so look, so when you turn around and you
grow a body part, so like theygrew ears in on the back of rats
Right, you know what I'm sayingTo turn around, and then you're
not really hurting the rat.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
You're using just the shape, yeah I mean like it's,
there's so much to it, though.
You know what I mean.
Like no, there is there.
It's tough.
It's hard when you have tocontest with something like the
discovery of insulin right right, right you know what, how do we
even begin to approach thatconversation?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
right exactly right, right, yeah it Right.
So then, how would you?
So then now us looking at theseanimals.
You know underwater species,you know we're going down there.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Do we really go down there and You're not going to
get any of these things?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
There's no way, Dude you can't, you don't have the
technology to even get down inthe first.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You can't even see them.
First of all, they have theadvantage on you.
Even if you've got the mostpowerful LED light to go down
there, you don't have theadvantage.
You do not have the advantagewhen you're down there.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So now, when they find the bone, though, and they
bring the bone back and they doDNA check on it you know what
I'm saying and they find youknow things in there like, oh my
God, this could be for this.
They can this could be.
Oh, I see what you're saying youknow, what I'm saying I thought
you were talking about, likethem, actually capturing.
Oh, no, no, I know we wouldn'tbe.
No, no, I'm with you, wewouldn't be able to catch
anything.
You know, it's just you know,but it's remnants found.
(32:50):
I guess we'll call it the whalegraveyard, right, you know how
they have an elephant graveyard.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
They go to a certain spot and then they die.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
They haven't been able to find the whales right
Because they go down so deep Idon't know.
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Right, well, so that's actually.
It's a big thing that they usein marine biology.
It's called whale falls, andit's when carcasses finally hit
the ocean floor.
They love sending drones tothose to just sit there and
watch them for weeks, becauseit's a huge time for activity
down at the ocean floor.
(33:25):
So many things come around forwhale falls?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh, because they eat, it right yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
And it's to the smallest microdome.
You know, it's just crazy shit.
It's like imagine it's to thesmallest micro.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
You know, it's just, it's like imagine it's the
desert and then suddenly, in away, it just popped up right,
right, everything's gonna belike food, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
So whatever's done, eating off of one and finishing
it off.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Now something else comes in and gets the bones and
then also the things that preyon those things.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Oh yeah, that's, true , it's a cycle.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Kuna Matata.
Yeah, so anytime they find awhale fall, they send a drone to
sit there and watch it, andthey usually send another drone
to go look around the whole area.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
See what is crawling in their ways, and that's
probably another way too, toidentify species you probably
didn't even see before.
Depending on what it could be,something out of the blue and
show up and be like what thefuck is that?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, the key things they target are, you know, food
Right.
If there's a source ofnutrients at the floor nutrients
at the floor.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
They're gonna stay by until something comes around
which makes sense.
That's a good way to discoversomething.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, getit on film.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
They don't know, maybe they do I don't know, but
anything that's a resource downthere, they try and stay around
it wouldn't it be interesting ifthey found a species that only
relies on fall from otheranimals, like whales, dolphins
or fish, and like they staydormant, like they, like, they,
almost like, go into a stasis,and they could stay that way for
(35:02):
hundreds of years until a fallcomes and then they wake up and
eat the fall and then they goback into a stasis.
Dude, that'd be so like insane,because I mean that would be an
interesting species.
Sci-fi too man and theoretically, you know, as a means of
survival, they evolved to bethat way, they don't get a lot
of nutrients.
They're trapped there at thebottom of the ocean floor and
(35:24):
just like stay petrified almostuntil like they sense like
something nearby and they canwake up and eat it.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I just came up with that right now.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Sounds like something from Gladiator telling about
the serpent Right.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
There's plenty of things that do things similar to
that Murphy's Law.
There could be a fish versionof that.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And just stretch out the time length a little bit,
right.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Don't they have those tube worms, that they sit
pretty much near methane gasesand any of the you know any
little microbes that comethrough little fish or whatever
they eat them, you know, becausethey're nibbling on them, the
crabs and such, and they sitthere and they're dormant until
something comes in there, andthen they grab it, but even
something like.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I was yeah, Go ahead.
Sorry, I don't want to cut youoff I was thinking sand trap
spiders.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Right, I was thinking those really flat fish that
mimic the ocean floor and theyjust sit on it.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, Right, and they just wait.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, and their heads are sideways, so they're always
looking up.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
But I was also thinking something like like I
remember hearing, like Iremember like when I remember
like the 2000s, like there waslike research is like bed bugs
remember, right, bed bugs andlike hotels a bit.
You know all this talk aboutand like, but the thing is you
can't starve them out, likeright it's really hard to starve
them out you have to like youcan freeze them out because they
don't do well, but you can't belike, oh, just leave the room
(36:56):
for several months.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
They'll just no, no, yeah you gotta.
I think the freeze is the onlyway you can do it with them,
because I don't think heat makesit worse, right?
No, heat kills them.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, it's gotta be like heat, but also freezing
them out too.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah like burn the house down.
Who's got the gasoline?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
No, but they do freeze out easily, like they say
.
Like if, like, you have like amattress with bed bugs or
something like that, they say,if it's like winter, you can
stick it outside and kill them.
Right, oh shit, okay, but likefor several hours.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I'll leave it out there a week Dude the whole
fucking winter.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
What are you talking about?
Get him in trouble with fire.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
How cold is it this week?
Yeah, later for that shit.
Five below that shit shouldwork.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, dude everything .
Yeah, it's just.
It's again like Tom, likeyou're saying, if we find those
out, you know, on land Right,they gotta exist in water.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
They gotta exist in water have to because we have no
clue.
We haven't, haven't touched it.
Yeah, an inkling, really, toknow what's going on down there.
For sure you know what I meanand yeah, we probably won't know
why we might find out some morestuff before the end of our
time on this planet yeah and I'msure there'll be some other
stuff that you know.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Eventually things will pop inside out and say hey,
like what was the name of thetrench?
Again, justin, the deepesttrench, mariana Trench, mariana
Trench.
So that's where they threwMegatron you know what I'm
saying.
Yeah, I know he's down there.
Yeah, so you know what I'msaying I'm just going, he's
there you know, I mean they, I'mjust saying, bro, you know, you
(38:32):
never know who and what's downthere, bro, it's just, it's
crazy.
It's just crazy.
And I almost wonder how much oflike the sci-fi movies and
stuff that we see because wealways make fun, you know, like
South Park and the Simpsons, howthey pretty much and even a lot
of movies, how they almost seemlike they're predicting the
(38:54):
future, yeah, yeah yeah, so now,and all these sci-fi movies and
stuff.
All our lives have been likethat it's probably just real,
you know, and that they'retaking what you know eyewitness
accounts you know stories.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I think it's just part of our DNA, because they
say we're made up of theuniverse already.
Right, when did we come from?
So maybe we still have memoriesof whatever it was, and that's
where all these ideas and stuffare coming from.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
You know and you're just making the sci-fi out of it
.
Yeah, that's the dragon theory.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Why is there so many depictions of dragons across
multiple areas and multipledifferent periods in history,
but because what they said, thatit was, I've heard the one
theory because the dragonsreally were here, right, and
they're just, you know know,different looking ones, so like
alligators and crocodiles, youknow same thing just a little
bit different and they're, youknow, bigger and yep, komodo
(39:44):
dragon, the komodo dragons, yeahand that looks like an
alligator.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
what about those old school paintings?
You see from back in the day,from like whalers and you know
people and you got these crazyoctopuses and stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
They're saying that's possible, that these things
were the round these things areaccurate and this is what was
going on, you know, and and likesame thing in like Asian
cultures, with the dragons andstuff like that, who's to say
Chinese and Japanese, boththat's right, but they said that
they found, didn't they?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Justin, did you see that, that they had seen?
There was depictions of it overhere with the Native Americans,
Like I mean, like not just inAsia, like there was some on
this side of the planet, onNorth America, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah that's all part of the.
That's all part of like thedragon argument the theory.
Right, well, it's not the samewith the so many depictions of a
flying lizard across so manyplaces Right, it's true.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
It's true, and they all look different.
They all have their own style.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Same thing with the, but they all carry the same
trait, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Do they all breathe fire, or is that something I?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
think that was a myth .
Do you think that was added?
I think that was.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
That's mostly old English folk.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Right, that's what I'm figuring, yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
But you could use Bigfoot for this theory too,
because of a little snowmanRight, it's the same thing,
right?
Only with a closer, olderclimate.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Or could it have been something that did live not
long ago and became extinct notlong?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
ago.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Right, like you know what I mean, like they were
hunted by, because I mean lookat the fucking buffalo, the
piles of bones and pictures ofthat.
You humans are fucking terriblein that aspect.
We are so bad, well like maybelike because it was such a
prized thing, like people likeyou know maybe, like a thousand
years ago, killed all thedragons off.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
They were killing first, so in the beginning I
guess we'll say like that In thebeginning everybody was killing
for food and clothing I get itand warmth, and then you know,
once the population starts toget, you know bigger, then we
start to take a little bit more.
And you know all that otherstuff Because you know, like you
said, polar bear, you knowregular grizzly bears, black
bear, Everything is for theirenvironment, so, depending on
(41:51):
where it comes from, what is it?
Is it the saber, not the saber?
Tooth, the um tigers?
No, the, oh my goodness.
Saber tooth tiger?
No, no, I'm sorry, not eventiger, oh my God, elephant, the
tusks, the tusks are supposed togrind them down A woolly
mammoth, that you know, right,war verses.
(42:16):
Then you know the ivory, theivory and all that other stuff
you know, for they did that withwhales too, for oil, right,
exactly so that you know.
But it was to, it was supposedto be just enough for us to
survive, right?
Not for us.
It's just that nifty ass cycle.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Well, people like the American Indians, or what do
you call it?
Eskimos, Eskimos, Thank youFrom you.
Know all those different thingsfrom all around the world right
.
If they all had the same ideathey use the animal, they use
everything of the animal, right,they respected the animal
because that was the way theyyou know they looked at it.
You know they knew it wassomething from Mother Earth, you
(42:53):
know they, if that was thementality, they were doing
everything the way it should bedone, naturally for that time,
right, right.
So then of course youeventually hope you move from
away from that, but but stillthey did it in the way in the
(43:14):
fields with the skin, just skinto death.
Yeah, and they didn't do nothingelse with the buffalo.
Yeah, I mean that's, that'sridiculous that's stupid.
Yeah, you know, and I get itkilling's killing.
But if one is doing one way andlearning from what is giving to
them, then they're saying, hey,mother's earth is providing for
us, she's our mother, she'staking care of us.
That's the mentality I wouldassume.
(43:36):
It's a totally different way ofthinking versus a guy who just
wants to make money off skin.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh yeah, definitely yeah definitely.
Well with that.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Right.
We are out of time.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yes, Justin, thanks for being on with us man, we
would love to have you here withus Always, but we'll be doing
more.
Hope to see you back soon, onceyou're feeling better.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, yeah, as soon as I'm mobile again, I have
everything ready to go.
I'm going to have to bring aniPad and a laptop, but we're
going to have a good time.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Nice, definitely.
That's what I'm waiting for,looking forward to it, yes.
So again, thank you, justin.
So love peace and egris, livelong and prosper.
Stay weird, holler.
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